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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59348 is a reply to message #59346] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 04:26   |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:12:19 -0700, EK Sound
<spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>Hey guys,
>
>Well, I just had to pop up a pic of this. :-) I started building this
>last month when the DM2K arrived, now I just finished assembling it.
>I still have a lot of fill 'n finish to do, but it's up and running!
>
>For those who are curious, I have detailed photos of every step. I
>will put them up on a page when time permits.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving to our southern neighbors!
>
>David.I've got to say...
....that looks really cool. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>
>Hey guys,
>
>Well, I just had to pop up a pic of this. :-) I started building this
>last month when the DM2K arrived, now I just finished assembling it.
>I still have a lot of fill 'n finish to do, but it's up and running!
>
>For those who are curious, I have detailed photos of every step. I
>will put them up on a page when time permits.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving to our southern neighbors!
>
>David.
>Hey
After checking out that road worn old leslie I found this. I wonder if
he'll take a third party, out-of-state cheque....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/405-GIGAYACHT-One-of-the-larg est-yachts-in-the-world_W0QQitemZ4589296280QQcategoryZ26432Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemNiiiiice!
Looks very cool.
Neil
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59351 is a reply to message #59348] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 06:30 |
Cujjo
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ssical, Sequoia would be at the top of
> my
>> list simply for editing. No need for VSTi's in that market, so editing
>> would be key. There is no doubt Samplitude and Sequoia are stellar apps
> for
>> audio (mediocre for midi/production though, and poor for composing, which
> is
>> what I do).
>
> Wow. Tell me more about this. What do you see as lacking for
> composing? MIDI implementation? Notation?
I haven't worked much with Samplitude 8, and midi is improved there, but
things that haven't improved are how Samplitude assigns VSTi's and midi
channels. If feels like it is almost there, but is convoluted
unnecessarily. For one - midi track monitoring is limited (compared to
Nuendo, SX, Logic, etc) - esp. punch in record (though an improvement there
is on the 8.21 update list, so it may work now). I haven't used it in
months so I'll have to get back to you on specifics there, but I do recall
having to assign a new track to overdub a midi track, and reassign the old
one since Samplitude couldn't play two tracks to the same midi channel at
the same time (layering was also a no go, but this all may be fixed in v8).
It sounds like you don't need notation - Samplitude doesn't have any.
The piano roll/key editor does seem good - not as powerful as Nuendo/Cubase,
but you have access to all controllers there. Quantization, as I recall,
was more limited, and there were limited options for transforming midi parts
- for simplicity, esp. with large scores, I like to use transforms to et,
for example, a max velocity or max cc message for sample sets that have a
unituqe sample at 127, or use parabolic curves for volume changes that
manual controllers often wobble through (regardless of the player's
steadiness).
The general feel of Samplitude to me was - great for audio, but working with
midi feels like midi in an audio app, rather than a balanced mix between the
two. It may work very well for you though, esp. given what you are
describing about your songwriting approach, and v8.x may have significantly
improved midi. I came from Logic, so I am used to a high degree of
flexibility and programmability in midi.
>
> Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
>
>
> We went here:
>
> http://www.arnoldpalmers.net/
Nice! Hope you had a great Thanksgiving also!
Regards,
Dedric
>
> It ROCKED and no dishes to wash.
>
> Thanks again
>
> DC
>Its a blast........!!
http://www.toonedin.com/movies/WhiteTrashXmas.htmlIt's a scam.......
I was getting ready to buy it untiul I read further and saw thie:
"THIS AUCTION IS FOR A DEPOSIT OF 50% OF THE PURCHASE PRICE OF
$168,000,000.00 TOTAL. CUSTOM BUILD. DELIVERY IN 2007"
No way I would pay over $100 mil for this POS.
;o)
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59355 is a reply to message #59351] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 07:20 |
Don Nafe
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r />
uhhh YEAH, I'll be right there. Got some cool old Altec tube gear
and a big old JBL corner-style horn loaded speaker too.
I just can't use 2 leslies and my other one is way cooler, so out
it goes.
DCThis is the most ugly, uninspired and anorganized console I ever saw...
Now just reverse the above and you got something really terrific.
Congrats for your aestehtics !
Regards and Happy Thanksgiving to all you Parisians...
Dimitrios
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>
>Hey guys,
>
>Well, I just had to pop up a pic of this. :-) I started building this
>last month when the DM2K arrived, now I just finished assembling it.
>I still have a lot of fill 'n finish to do, but it's up and running!
>
>For those who are curious, I have detailed photos of every step. I
>will put them up on a page when time permits.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving to our southern neighbors!
>
>David.
>that's pretty cool. I've wanted a leslie since the first time I saw the
band Shooter where the gtr guy used two of them with a strat....what a
sound....just don't have the room/muscles for one....lol
DC wrote:
>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hey
>>
>>After checking out that road worn old leslie
>>
>>
>
>
>Actually that sat in one of the music professor's office for decades.
>
>It never went on the road, but obviously did go down the hall and
>across campus a few times. Never let college kids move your
>stuff.
>
>When he retired, the music dept. secretary calls me up and goes
>"we're gonna throw this junk out, do you want it"?
>
>uhhh YEAH, I'll be right there. Got some cool old Altec tube gear
>and a big old JBL corner-style horn loaded speaker too.
>
>I just can't use 2 leslies and my other one is way cooler, so out
>it goes.
>
>DC
>
>
>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>that's pretty cool. I've wanted a leslie since the first time I saw the
>band Shooter where the gtr guy used two of them with a strat....what a
>sound....just don't have the room/muscles for one....lol
Yes.. My other one is a blonde 1952 with upgraded motors and
a Renkus HF driver and a EV for the bottom. Recently a client
gave me a Peavey speaker manager so I biamped it using a great
old Altec stereo tube amp and a Summit mic pre as a front end
for guitar. I spent hours with the crossover point, slope and EQ
and I think I found the last 10%.
And you know what? I think my Yamaha UD-Stomp sounds better...
(yipes, did I say that??)
Yes folks, for that big rotary sound, the chips beat the rotors...
What a world... Oh, no, I'm melting, look what you've done!!
heh heh
DCHer comes the wonderful Chainer wrapper to the rescue.
You can use any compressor (except for the oines that introduce latency like
UAD1).
Most compressors out there including the free ones I have posted are 0 latency
like TC works mda and others.
Chainer has a great option , wet and dry volume !
With wet volume you hear only the sound after the vst plugin and with dry
volume you hear the sound just before the vst effect.
So having dry at 99 volume you can put a vst compressor hitting really hard
and just raise the wet volume until you achieve the desired effect.
While compressors use very low cpu you can use the same compressor on every
drumtrack opening chainer on every drum track and have sort of what we call
buss compressing.
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59364 is a reply to message #59355] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 08:19 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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early learning stages of my first project. What I'm doing is
> recording
> > from my 8-track sequenced synth tracks, one track at a time, and then
> using
> > the drum track to align them to. Not very precise, but I haven't gotten
> > into the Paris MIDI yet.
> > Edna
> >
> > "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4387f211$1@linux...
> > > By simply moving the audio, any automation you have will now
> > > be in the wrong place (by the amount of the move). I always
> > > start recording after the 30 sec mark... somthing left over
> > > from the analog and DTRS days... but it serves me well in
> > > cases like this.
> > >
> > > David.
> > >
> > > Edna wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4387eb98$1@linux...
> > > >
> > > >>Are you holding Record THEN Play when you bounce?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes
> > > >
> > > > You do
> > > >
> > > >>have to leave a small amount of space between the now line
> > > >>and the start of audio... but no more than about a second.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I see. I just selected all the tracks and nudged them up a bit and
it
> > > > worked fine.
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >>David.
> > > >>
> > > >>Edna wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Hey, when I bounce to disk I lose just a wee smidgeon off the start
> of
> > > >
> > > > my
> > > >
> > > >>>tracks. I tried moving them forward on the time line, but still
the
> > > >
> > > > same
> > > >
> > > >>>result. (I have them start immediately in the Editor.) Is this a
> > > >
> > > > latency
> > > >
> > > >>>issue? Do I need to insert some silence at the beginning or
rerecord
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > >>>tracks?
> > > >>>Thanks,
> > > >>>Edna
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>Just plain spooky.
Tom
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4387bdee$1@linux...
>
>
> ssssttrrrrrrrrEWTH!! ;o)
>
> And the way he was looking around the room he looked bored already... ;o)
>
> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4628046460703829608 &q=racer+X
>I just upgraded my system and am trying to remember all the things to do to
get Paris running. I have a two card system. Do I connect to the bottom card
or the next one up? Also, is there any difference running 3.0 on XP Home or
Pro?
Thanks
BarryDavid,
Looks fantasitc -very clean and easy on the joints!
oh... and what's your top warp speed? :-)
MR
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>
>Hey guys,
>
>Well, I just had to pop up a pic of this. :-) I started building this
>last month when the DM2K arrived, now I just finished assembling it.
>I still have a lot of fill 'n finish to do, but it's up and running!
>
>For those who are curious, I have detailed photos of every step. I
>will put them up on a page when time permits.
>
>Happy Thanksgiving to our southern neighbors!
>
>David.
>Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and nearby. Was
wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I have
heard the old and new MECs are the same.
Thanks,
EdnaWhat kind of synth do you have? Are you using the synth as a
sequencer (is it a workstation)? Do you have a MIDI interface
connected to the computer?
David.
Edna wrote:
> Well then, is there a way to have Paris trigger my synth at some point after
> recording begins?
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4387f91b$1@linux...
>
>>but I haven't gotten
>>
>>>into the Paris MIDI yet.
>>
>>Paris midi isn't available until you move into v3.0 (IIRC) and it is
>>somewhat nightmarish. When the time comes to get Paris happening with
>
> midi,
>
>>it's best to use a second machine with a sequencer like Cubase and an RME
>>HDSP series sound card slaved to a Paris ADAT module, though there are
>
> other
>
>>solutions also.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4387f7a8@linux...
>>
>>>Thanks for the tip. I didnt have any automation programmed yet. Just
>
> in
>
>>>the early learning stages of my first project. What I'm doing is
>>
>>recording
>>
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59368 is a reply to message #59351] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 08:53 |
excelav
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een the now line
>>>>>>and the start of audio... but no more than about a second.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I see. I just selected all the tracks and nudged them up a bit and
>
> it
>
>>>>>worked fine.
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Edna wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey, when I bounce to disk I lose just a wee smidgeon off the start
>>
>>of
>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>tracks. I tried moving them forward on the time line, but still
>
> the
>
>>>>>same
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>result. (I have them start immediately in the Editor.) Is this a
>>>>>
>>>>>latency
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>issue? Do I need to insert some silence at the beginning or
>
> rerecord
>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>tracks?
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>All the 442/MEC "on board" I/O's are 20 bit only (main and monitor
connections). The accessory analog I/O cards for the MEC *are* 24
bit. Color makes no difference here, they are all the same.
David.
Edna wrote:
> Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and nearby. Was
> wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I have
> heard the old and new MECs are the same.
> Thanks,
> Edna
>
>Thanks Dave, that's what I thought. Well, maybe I can use this to negotiate
a little better deal. :-]
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:43888ace@linux...
> All the 442/MEC "on board" I/O's are 20 bit only (main and monitor
> connections). The accessory analog I/O cards for the MEC *are* 24
> bit. Color makes no difference here, they are all the same.
>
> David.
>
> Edna wrote:
>
> > Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and nearby.
Was
> > wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I
have
> > heard the old and new MECs are the same.
> > Thanks,
> > Edna
> >
> >It's a Roland JV 1000 workstation with an 8-track sequencer. I haven't
hooked up an interface, just recording sequenced material from its line out
into the MEC. I do have an old MIDI interface card I have never used and
not sure will work with XP I can try.
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:43888a2a@linux...
> What kind of synth do you have? Are you using the synth as a
> sequencer (is it a workstation)? Do you have a MIDI interface
> connected to the computer?
>
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59369 is a reply to message #59368] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 09:28 |
excelav
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> David.
>
> Edna wrote:
> > Well then, is there a way to have Paris trigger my synth at some point
after
> > recording begins?
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:4387f91b$1@linux...
> >
> >>but I haven't gotten
> >>
> >>>into the Paris MIDI yet.
> >>
> >>Paris midi isn't available until you move into v3.0 (IIRC) and it is
> >>somewhat nightmarish. When the time comes to get Paris happening with
> >
> > midi,
> >
> >>it's best to use a second machine with a sequencer like Cubase and an
RME
> >>HDSP series sound card slaved to a Paris ADAT module, though there are
> >
> > other
> >
> >>solutions also.
> >>
> >>Deej
> >>
> >>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4387f7a8@linux...
> >>
> >>>Thanks for the tip. I didnt have any automation programmed yet. Just
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>the early learning stages of my first project. What I'm doing is
> >>
> >>recording
> >>
> >>>from my 8-track sequenced synth tracks, one track at a time, and then
> >>
> >>using
> >>
> >>>the drum track to align them to. Not very precise, but I haven't
gotten
> >>>into the Paris MIDI yet.
> >>>Edna
> >>>
> >>>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >>>news:4387f211$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>By simply moving the audio, any automation you have will now
> >>>>be in the wrong place (by the amount of the move). I always
> >>>>start recording after the 30 sec mark... somthing left over
> >>>>from the analog and DTRS days... but it serves me well in
> >>>>cases like this.
> >>>>
> >>>>David.
> >>>>
> >>>>Edna wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:4387eb98$1@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Are you holding Record THEN Play when you bounce?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You do
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>have to leave a small amount of space between the now line
> >>>>>>and the start of audio... but no more than about a second.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I see. I just selected all the tracks and nudged them up a bit and
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>>>worked fine.
> >>>>>Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>David.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Edna wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hey, when I bounce to disk I lose just a wee smidgeon off the start
> >>
> >>of
> >>
> >>>>>my
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>tracks. I tried moving them forward on the time line, but still
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>>same
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >&g
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59382 is a reply to message #59373] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 18:40 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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t;>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Edna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hey, when I bounce to disk I lose just a wee smidgeon off the
>>>
>>>start
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>tracks. I tried moving them forward on the time line, but
>
> still
>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>same
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>result. (I have them start immediately in the Editor.) Is
>
> this
>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>latency
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>issue? Do I need to insert some silence at the beginning or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rerecord
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>tracks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>The spdif I/O on the MEC are 24 bit whereas on the IF 442 they are 20 bit.
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43888e9e@linux...
> Thanks Dave, that's what I thought. Well, maybe I can use this to
negotiate
> a little better deal. :-]
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:43888ace@linux...
> > All the 442/MEC "on board" I/O's are 20 bit only (main and monitor
> > connections). The accessory analog I/O cards for the MEC *are* 24
> > bit. Color makes no difference here, they are all the same.
> >
> > David.
> >
> > Edna wrote:
> >
> > > Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and
nearby.
> Was
> > > wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I
> have
> > > heard the old and new MECs are the same.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Edna
> > >
> > >
>
>On both MECs I assume? Well, maybe this is what the seller was referring
to. So, I could use other a/d converters like the RME to get 24 bits and
get into Paris with the spdif I/O?
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4388a172$1@linux...
> The spdif I/O on the MEC are 24 bit whereas on the IF 442 they are 20 bit.
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43888e9e@linux...
> > Thanks Dave, that's what I thought. Well, maybe I can use this to
> negotiate
> > a little better deal. :-]
> >
> > "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> > news:43888ace@linux...
> > > All the 442/MEC "on board" I/O's are 20 bit only
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59383 is a reply to message #59382] |
Fri, 21 October 2005 19:36 |
dc[4]
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(main and monitor
> > > connections). The accessory analog I/O cards for the MEC *are* 24
> > > bit. Color makes no difference here, they are all the same.
> > >
> > > David.
> > >
> > > Edna wrote:
> > >
> > > > Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and
> nearby.
> > Was
> > > > wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but
I
> > have
> > > > heard the old and new MECs are the same.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Edna
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>Right. Just checked my MIDI card: its ISA and I don't think my new fangled
mobo (ABIT IC7-G) has one. Well, I guess I can try the sound card port.
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:4388a151$1@linux...
> I don't think that would work... but I have never tried it. Also, I
> would recommend adding two bars of click to the beginning of your
> sequence prior to transfering. This will allow Paris time to lock and
> start recording.
>
> David.
>
> Edna wrote:
>
> > So, I need to study the punch chapter in the manual, along with the sync
> > Paris chapter. Could I also arm Paris, press and hold the record button
and
> > then press the play button on the synth to start Paris recording?
> >
> > "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> > news:43889a1f$1@linux...
> >
> >>It would start Paris playing. Once Paris is rolling you would have to
> >>either punch in manually, or use the autopunch markers to establish an
> >>in/out point.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>Edna wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Will do. My onboard soundcard also has a midi port(game port) - I have
> >
> > this
> >
> >>>disabled since it was sharing an IRQ with Paris. Anyway, your're
saying
> >>>that I can clock Paris with the synth midi time code. Does this also
> >
> > start
> >
> >>>Paris playing or recording at the same time as I play the synth tracks?
> >>>
> >>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:438891e1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Check to see if the JV is capable of sending MIDI timecode when its
> >>>>sequence is playing. If it does, and you have a MIDI interface
> >>>>connected to the Paris computer, you should be able to get Paris to
> >>>>chase MTC so you can record multiple passes in sync. Even a simple
> >>>>computer MIDI I/O *should* work fine for this application.
> >>>>
> >>>>David.
> >>>>
> >>>>Edna wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>It's a Roland JV 1000 workstation with an 8-track sequencer. I
haven't
> >>>>>hooked up an interface, just recording sequenced material from its
line
> >>>
> >>>out
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>into the MEC. I do have an old MIDI interface card I have never used
> >>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>not sure will work with XP I can try.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:43888a2a@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>What kind of synth do you have? Are you using the synth as a
> >>>>>>sequencer (is it a workstation)? Do you have a MIDI interface
> >>>>>>connected to the computer?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>David.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Edna wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Well then, is there a way to have Paris trigger my synth at some
> >
> > point
> >
> >>>>>after
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>recording begins?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:4387f91b$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>but I haven't gotten
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>into the Paris MIDI yet.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Paris midi isn't available until you move into v3.0 (IIRC) and it
is
> >>>>>>>>somewhat nightmarish. When the time comes to get Paris happening
> >
> > with
> >
> >>>>>>>midi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>it's best to use a second machine with a sequencer like Cubase and
> >
> > an
> >
> >>>>>RM
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59387 is a reply to message #59383] |
Sat, 22 October 2005 00:35 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>tracks?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Edna
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >
> >For whatever it's worth, I cut about 90% of my sessions
in 16 bit--it sounds fantastic, especially for the punchy
stuff. If it's real quiet acoustic stuff I go to the 24
bit. My mastering guy in Nashville (Randy LeRoy at Final Stage)
agrees, and says it sounds as good or better than most 24 bit stuff.
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and nearby.
Was
>wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I have
>heard the old and new MECs are the same.
>Thanks,
>Edna
>
>Well, it turns out that its 2 switches with a stereo cable short to ground
type, one for punching and the other for recording. So I can get away from
the noisy computer to do a vocal track.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43815a12$1@linux...
> Heh....heh....heh......<evil grin>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43810909@linux...
> > With all the idiosyncrasies in Paris, it may explode! :-)
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:4380d718$1@linux...
> > > Yeh......what could possibly happen?
> > >
> > > ;o)
> > >
> > > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4380984f@linux...
> > > > Thanks, thats what my Roland is, so I'll try it and see what
happens.
> > > > Edna
> > > > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > > news:43804c2e@linux...
> > > > > Single pole momentary if I remember correctly. I haven't used one
> in
> > > > years
> > > > > though, so perhaps another user will support or correct me?
> > > > > AA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
> news:437f753e@linux...
> > > > > > Regarding the footswitch for Paris mentioned in the manual, is
> this
> > > just
> > > > a
> > > > > > simple make-break single pole toggle type?
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Edna
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>Hmmm, interesting. Do you do a lot of fx processing at 16 bit also?
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:4388a711$1@linux...
>
> For whatever it's worth, I cut about 90% of my sessions
> in 16 bit--it sounds fantastic, especially for the punchy
> stuff. If it's real quiet acoustic stuff I go to the 24
> bit. My mastering guy in Nashville (Randy LeRoy at Final Stage)
> agrees, and says it sounds as good or better than most 24 bit stuff.
>
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and nearby.
> Was
> >wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I
have
> >heard the old and new MECs are the same.
> >Thanks,
> >Edna
> >
> >
>While the tracks themselves are 16 bit, all porocessing is done at
full internal resolution. Then, when you bounce to disc, set the
project bit depth to 24 and you will get a full 24 bits for your mix.
This file can then be mastered, dithered and put to CD.
If you are doing more open, airy type music, you may want to track at
24 bit. Even using the on-board A/D, you will get 24 bit files with
20 bits of resolution... still better than 16.
Personally, I track everything at 16 also with very good results. Why
waste the drive space if it's not needed.
Alternately, as you suggested, an outboard A/D can be SPDIF'd into
Paris for full 24 bit rez recording.
David.
Edna wrote:
> Hmmm, interesting. Do you do a lot of fx processing at 16 bit also?
>
> "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> news:4388a711$1@linux...
>
>>For whatever it's worth, I cut about 90% of my sessions
>>in 16 bit--it sounds fantastic, especially for the punchy
>>stuff. If it's real quiet acoustic stuff I go to the 24
>>bit. My mastering guy in Nashville (Randy LeRoy at Final Stage)
>>agrees, and says it sounds as good or better than most 24 bit stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and nearby.
>>
>> Was
>>
>>>wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I
>
> have
>
>>>heard the old and new MECs are the same.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Edna
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I use a fair amount of plugins--UAD card for a lot,
but pleant of Paris compresssors and eqs, with some
Waves stuff. All my verb stuff is external (KSP 8 and
others). I assume that is what you asked :)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Hmmm, interesting. Do you do a lot of fx processing at 16 bit also?
>
>&q
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| Re: Good guitar sound on a budget??? Help! [message #59431 is a reply to message #59418] |
Sun, 23 October 2005 06:29 |
cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005
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but I
>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>
>>>>>heard the old and new MECs are the same.
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>Simple...
>
>;-)
>
>David.
>
Yuck, all horns. Might as well use an old Community Light and Sound rig.Or a Laviathan rig... ;-)
David
gene lennon wrote:
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>Simple...
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>
>
> Yuck, all horns. Might as well use an old Community Light and Sound rig.OK, I think I have it straight now. Thanks guys for clearing this up.
Edna
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4389c63e@linux...
> It's common to record in Paris in 16 or 24 bit, 16 is fine for rock and
> roll and then master in 24 bit. The 24 bit is supposed to preserve more
> dynamics and keep your noise floor low.
>
> Edna wrote:
> > So then there wouldn't be much advantage to processing 24bit files over
> > 16bit, i.e., relative to the amount of processing you intend to do?
> >
> > "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> > news:4388ade6$1@linux...
> >
> >>While the tracks themselves are 16 bit, all porocessing is done at
> >>full internal resolution. Then, when you bounce to disc, set the
> >>project bit depth to 24 and you will get a full 24 bits for your mix.
> >> This file can then be mastered, dithered and put to CD.
> >>
> >>If you are doing more open, airy type music, you may want to track at
> >>24 bit. Even using the on-board A/D, you will get 24 bit files with
> >>20 bits of resolution... still better than 16.
> >>
> >>Personally, I track everything at 16 also with very good results. Why
> >>waste the drive space if it's not needed.
> >>
> >>Alternately, as you suggested, an outboard A/D can be SPDIF'd into
> >>Paris for full 24 bit rez recording.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>Edna wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hmmm, interesting. Do you do a lot of fx processing at 16 bit also?
> >>>
> >>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:4388a711$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>For whatever it's worth, I cut about 90% of my sessions
> >>>>in 16 bit--it sounds fantastic, especially for the punchy
> >>>>stuff. If it's real quiet acoustic stuff I go to the 24
> >>>>bit. My mastering guy in Nashville (Randy LeRoy at Final Stage)
> >>>>agrees, and says it sounds as good or better than most 24 bit stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Am looking at picking up a used Pro system very reasonable and
nearby.
> >>>>
> >>>>Was
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>wondering if the Pro MEC has 24 bit converters? Owner sez yes, but I
> >>>
> >>>have
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>heard the old and new MECs are the same.
> >>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>Edna
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >gene lennon wrote:
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>Simple...
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>
>
> Yuck, all horns. Might as well use an old Community Light and Sound rig.
With Community speakers, that's all in one box...just overdrive the
speakers (easy to do) and the overdrive warning lights will come on :-).
-Michele Hobbs"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Or a Laviathan rig... ;-)
>
>David
>
Many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years ago I did FOH
work including quite a few gigs with all CLS rigs. Leviathans, LMFs (round
not rectangular) and a variety of HF horns from Community.
I have great stories about some of these gigs, like Hot Tuna at The Academy
Of Music on 14th St, NYC.
Not for public forums!
Gene
P.S.
I’m not sure I did enough manys.I just go by my ears--if it sounds like I want it to,
then it's all good--bits at that point don't matter to me :)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>What I was getting at was that if you do a lot of file processing, wouldn't
>this also be a time to use 24 bits to advantage?
>
>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>news:4388affc$1@linux...
>>
>> I use a fair amount of plugins--UAD card for a lot,
>> but pleant of Paris compresssors and eqs, with some
>> Waves stuff. All my verb stuff is external (KSP 8 and
>> others). I assume that is what you asked :)
>>
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >Hmm
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