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| Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94474] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 08:17  |
Nappy
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using them with Paris. I'm in the process of getting some
new video cards after my Radeon cards started giving me trouble. I'm looking
for a 2-card configuration (one PCI and o
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94479 is a reply to message #94476] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 10:29  |
Dedric Terry
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>>>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp (in
>>>> and
>>>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>>>> Nothing
>>>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while
>>>> it
>>>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>>>> 0.00000ns.
>>>
>>> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the video
>>> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole
>>> reason why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't hear
>>> though was if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because of
>>> how fast they simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>>>
>>>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel
>>>> ;-)
>>>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times in
>>>> the
>>>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or "near
>>>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
>>>> since
>>>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing (which
>>>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it - i.e.
>>>> systems like Radar, etc).
>>>
>>> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to convertor
>>> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94481 is a reply to message #94479] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 11:49 |
TCB
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terry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>>>>>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick.
>>>>>>> Steiny
>>>>>>> apparantly has beat that now with the Yammy interface.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How so? Was there mention of lower latencies I didn't see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a firewire interface just like the Fireface, Firepod, etc, and
>>>>>> firewire
>>>>>> is inherently limited due to the extra buffering overhead. I can't
>>>>>> see
>>>>> the
>>>>>> new Steinberg interface running at any lower latency than the
>>>>>> Fireface,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> if they've beat that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with ASIO
>>>>>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat war
>>>>>> and
>>>>> get
>>>>>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio
>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32
>>>>>> samples,
>>>>>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>>>>>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to do
>>>>>> anything
>>>>>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that
>>>>>> discussion
>>>>> a
>>>>>> few times already. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>
>Heheh!!!!! OK I won't read that one.
;o)
I think TC makes some kind of interface with monitoring and FX too don't
they?
If Steinberg would lose th
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94482 is a reply to message #94481] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 10:56 |
Jamie K
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e preamps (and the probable hefty charge for
them), this interface might be a bit more attractive.
Also, I wondering about something. I can enable the functionality of both
the Frontier Tranzport and my Houston controller simultaneously. Now if the
Houston could be simultaneously be used for multiple fader moves and the the
new single fader Steiny controller could also be used for accessing a single
fader and the channel strip controls, this might end up being a nice
combination of functionalities.
Three of these new interfaces (sans preamps) along with an RME ADI 192-DD
and an RME ADI 8-DD would give me 24 analog I/O and allow me to integrate my
outboard gear in a way similar to the way I'm doing now with a Multiface,
MADI/ADI 648, AES32 and a Pair of ADI 8-DD units.
Basically I would be selling off the MADI/ADI-648, the Multiface, a pair of
ADI 8-DS units (Nuendo branded) and one of my ADI 8-DD units and replacing
them with 3 x of the Steiny 816 units and the CC121 controler and an RME ADI
192-DD. the reason for the ADI 192-DD is because it will allow the sample
rate conversion of signals received via ADAT I/O whereas the ADI8-DD will
not.
What would be the advantage of this?? Well, I could use the Steinberg
control room function without needing to drastically upgrade my current
computer to use the CR function with low latency with large
projects.........and this would allow me to sell the huge Furman HDS-16
system along with the 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers I'm using.
I *might* come out of this on a break even or even with some money in my
pocket depending on the cost of the Steinberg hardware. Of course, there's
also the factor of my liking the RME converters I'd be selling and I don't
really know diddly about Yamaha converters. thad and I seem to be on the
same wavelength most of the time and I have to take into account his opinion
of Yamaha converters.
Well........anyway......this is probably a few months away from being a
possibility anyway.
Deej
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C402CDC9.1326E%dterry@keyofd.net...
> Please don't read my post where I said this is a firewire interface.
> Nothing different going on here from any other fw interface.
>
>
> On 3/16/08 11:50 AM, in article 47dd6112@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
> <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>
>> Here's a link where you han check out a closeup of the ports:
>>
>> http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/Steinb erg/PR/MR816-FireW
>> ire-Interfaces.html
>>
>> Also, I'm listening to the video clip again adn he specifically states
>> that
>> it connects to the computer via firewire.
>>
>>
>> "Bill L" &l
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94485 is a reply to message #94481] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 11:22 |
Dedric Terry
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>> good. Since i have used Cubase from the early Atari version in '88 or '89,
>> I am a pretty big fan of Steiny too.
>>
>> BTW he did say you could cascade 3 units, and he said they are USB, not
>> firewire.
>>
>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that (i.e.
>>>> I
>>>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>>>
>>>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp (in
>>>> and
>>>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>>>> Nothing
>>>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while
>>>> it
>>>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>>>> 0.00000ns.
>>> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the video
>>> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole
>>> reason why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't hear
>>> though was if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because of
>>> how fast they simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>>>
>>>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel
>>>> ;-)
>>>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times in
>>>> the
>>>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or "near
>>>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
>>>> since
>>>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing (which
>>>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it - i.e.
>>>> systems like Radar, etc).
>>> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to convertor
>>> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS end
>>> to end. And I have no problems living with that.
>>>
>>>> Marketing.... it's all marketing.... in reality, every single DAW on
>>>> the
>>>> planet adheres to the same physical limitations - they just use
>>>> different
>>>> packaging and emphasis of hardware vs. software. Good try
>>>> Steiny/Yamaha.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 3/16/08 1:49 AM, in article 47dcc2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dedric, they are stating 'No' Latency as in Nada..zilch..Nothing.. hey
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> this at least 5 times. They even critisize other companies claim of
>>>>> "near
>>>>> zero " latency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at the video again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94506 is a reply to message #94485] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 19:10 |
Chris Ludwig
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tage of this?? Well, I could use the Steinberg
>control room function without needing to drastically upgrade my current
>computer to use the CR function with low latency with large
>projects.........and this would allow me to sell the huge Furman HDS-16
>system along with the 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers I'm using.
>
>I *might* come out of this on a break even or even with some money in my
>pocket depending on the cost of the Steinberg hardware. Of course, there's
>also the factor of my liking the RME converters I'd be selling and I don't
>really know diddly about Yamaha converters. thad and I seem to be on the
>same wavelength most of the time and I have to take into account his opinion
>of Yamaha converters.
>
>Well........anyway......this is probably a few months away from being a
>possibility anyway.
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C402CDC9.1326E%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Please don't read my post where I said this is a firewire interface.
>> Nothing different going on here from any other fw interface.
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/08 11:50 AM, in article 47dd6112@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>> <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a link where you han check out a closeup of the ports:
>>>
>>> http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/Steinb erg/PR/MR816-FireW
>>> ire-Interfaces.html
>>>
>>> Also, I'm listening to the video clip again adn he specifically states
>>> that
>>> it connects to the computer via firewire.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47dd5efc@linux...
>>>> Yeah, I was a little surprised no one asked the question about how
>>>> exactly
>>>> they achieved no latency at the end when they asked for questions. How
>>>> do
>>>> they do that I wonder? He specifically said all the Cubase channels
>>>> stuff
>>>> would be no latency.
>>>>
>>>> If they have that, then this has truly lived up to what I hoped for
from
>>>> the merger. I will say this: Yamaha is overall the finest and most
>>>> comprehensive large music manufacturer and their products always sound
>>>> good. Since i have used Cubase from the early Atari version in '88 or
>>>> '89,
>>>> I am a pretty big fan of Steiny too.
>>>>
>>>> BTW he did say you could cascade 3 units, and he said they are USB,
not
>>>> firewire.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>> I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that
>>>>>> (i.e.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp
(in
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>>>>>> 0.00000ns.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the
>>>>> video
>>>>> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole
>>>>> reason why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't
hear
>>>>> though was if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because
>>>>> of
>>>>> how fast they simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or
>>>>>> "near
>>>>>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
>>>>>> since
>>>>>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing
>>>>>> (which
>>>>>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it -
>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>> systems like Radar, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to
>>>>> convertor
>>>>> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS
end
>>>>> to end. And I have no problems living with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marketing.... it's all marketing.... in reality, every single DAW
on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> planet adheres to the same physical limitations - they just use
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> packaging and emphasis of hardware vs. software. Good try
>>>>>> Steiny/Yamaha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/16/08 1:49 AM, in article 47dcc2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric, they are stating 'No' Latency as in Nada..zilch..Nothing..
>>>>>>> hey
>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>> this at least 5 times. They even critisize other companies claim
of
>>>>>>> "near
>>>>>>> zero " latency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at the video again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94508 is a reply to message #94506] |
Tue, 08 January 2008 19:52 |
Dedric Terry
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at that limit, kudos to Yamaha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, imho RME seems to lead the low latency race overall with
>>>>>>>> ASIO
>>>>>>>> drivers. Imho, until operating systems drop the consumer bloat
war
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> down to really running lean and mean with true kernel level audio
>>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>>> (not the facade of core audio), we may never see lower than 32
>>>>>>>> samples,
>>>>>>>> unless Intel multiplies the number of cores and general buss/memory
>>>>>>>> processing exponentially to outpace the growing OS demands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still have to wonder what got us to the point that an OS had to
do
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> more than boot and access the hardware.... but we've had that
>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few times already. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>The Tibetans have tried to talk about freedom, they were burned to death.
I guess freedom always comes at a price. The Chinese people must have the
will to change their government from the inside, talk from us won't work,
but we can do something and that is boycott their products. We as a people
are going in to debt with China, we are handing them power over us. Meanwhile
our standard of living is going down hill. It's great that you can buy a
two dollar rubber hammer from China and we'll pay four dollars a gallon of
gas because China is using so much oil to make things like rubber hammers
and ship them across the sea.
They are killing their own people. We are empowering them financially by
buying there products and handing them technical expertise. We embolden
them by not standing up to them on human rights and the theft of our defense
and military secrets, not to mention their constant opposition the the US
and their interference in world matters.
China has publicly announced a 35 year plan to take over the world. The
Chinese and the Russians are building super weapons to defeat the US, and
they are currently doing military exercises together right now. They are
supporting and supplying the weapons and technology that is causing the US
problems around the world, this is to weaken us. They have their plans for
us.
We shouldn't hand them the wealth and the power by buying their products,
let them sit on the shelves. One way to turn the tide is for americans to
vote with their dollars. We don't need to support a repressive communist
government with american dollars, and that is exactly what we are doing by
buying Chinese products. A boycott is long over due!
Talking has never worked with communist governments.
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I don't think boycotting is the answer. It would hurt average Chinese
>people the most, anyway.
>
>The answer is more communication. Commerce is a form of communication
>and as such, I think more commerce will inevitably bring about a
>metamorphose of the Chinese government. I would prefer to see a peaceful
>evolution rather than a bloody revolution.
>
>Boycotting would get the government hardliners backs up. And
>realistically, your boycott wouldn't "...amount to a hill of beans in
>this world." (add Bogart lisp)
>
>I appreciate your desire to change the situation, but I would suggest
>finding a constructive way to communicate a lot into China, to people,
>the government, anywhere. Comm is the solution. Tell them about freedom.
>Freedom appeals to everybody.
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> I think it's time to boycott China and their products, there is no sense
in
>> supporting this government in any way.
>>
>> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080316/D8VELU0G0.html
>>
>> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080316/D8VEM3KG0.htmlI think this Hardware is "Married" to Cubase 4 . If you look gain at the video
2/3 (2:39-beyond) , they go into great detail how this units "Treats" Cubase
and the Hardware as ONE. Meaning, Cubase is just an "Extension" of the unit.
ALso, meaning, that this unit must have a big piece of Cubase's software
"already" Built-In...!! That's how they can acheive "No -Latency" and do
all that clever Monitoring and even record the Builtin FX while monitoring..
Sweet..
I think Yammy & Steiny "re-thought" the Native missing link(Latency) equation,
with what seems to be a quasi DSP meets Software .Already built-in the units..
I have admit, having the ability to link 3 of these babys has me geeked!!
Because, Yammy & Stein are using Intelligent Firewire called M-Lan.. No other
Firewire interface can be daisy chained using the normal Firewire Protocol..
What's really interesting is that this is only the "First' Product from this
Marriage. We can can probably bet, that more products like their Sweet N12
Mixer/controller is on the horizon. As it stands, this is a great first step..
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Yeah, I was a little surprised no one asked the question about how
>exactly they achieved no latency at the end when they asked for
>questions. How do they do that I wonder? He specifically said all the
>Cubase channels stuff would be no latency.
>
>If they have that, then this has truly lived up to what I hoped for from
>the merger. I will say this: Yamaha is overall the finest and most
>comprehensive large music manufacturer and their products always sound
>good. Since i have used Cubase from the early Atari version in '88 or
>'89, I am a pretty big fan of Steiny too.
>
>BTW he did say you could cascade 3 units, and he said they are USB, not
>firewire.
>
>Aaron Allen wrote:
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that (i.e.
I
>>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>>
>>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp (in
and
>>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>>> Nothing
>>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while
it
>>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>>> 0.00000ns.
>>
>> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the video
>> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole reason
>> why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't hear though
was
>> if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because of how fast
they
>> simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>>
>>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel
;-)
>>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times
in
>>> the
>>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or "near
>>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
since
>>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing (which
>>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it - i.e.
>>> systems like Radar, etc).
>>
>> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to convertor
>> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS en
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| Re: Happy New Year!......8 core Mac Pro [message #94522 is a reply to message #94508] |
Wed, 09 January 2008 11:01 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
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>> them), this interface might be a bit more attractive.
>>
>> Also, I wondering about something. I can enable the functionality of both
>
>> the Frontier Tranzport and my Houston controller simultaneously. Now if
> the
>> Houston could be simultaneously be used for multiple fader moves and the
> the
>> new single fader Steiny controller could also be used for accessing a single
>
>> fader and the channel strip controls, this might end up being a nice
>> combination of functionalities.
>>
>> Three of these new interfaces (sans preamps) along with an RME ADI 192-DD
>
>> and an RME ADI 8-DD would give me 24 analog I/O and allow me to integrate
> my
>> outboard gear in a way similar to the way I'm doing now with a Multiface,
>
>> MADI/ADI 648, AES32 and a Pair of ADI 8-DD units.
>>
>> Basically I would be selling off the MADI/ADI-648, the Multiface, a pair
> of
>> ADI 8-DS units (Nuendo branded) and one of my ADI 8-DD units and replacing
>
>> them with 3 x of the Steiny 816 units and the CC121 controler and an RME
> ADI
>> 192-DD. the reason for the ADI 192-DD is because it will allow the sample
>
>> rate conversion of signals received via ADAT I/O whereas the ADI8-DD will
>
>> not.
>>
>> What would be the advantage of this?? Well, I could use the Steinberg
>> control room function without needing to drastically upgrade my current
>
>> computer to use the CR function with low latency with large
>> projects.........and this would allow me to sell the huge Furman HDS-16
>
>> system along with the 5 x HRM-16 remote mixers I'm using.
>>
>> I *might* come out of this on a break even or even with some money in my
>
>> pocket depending on the cost of the Steinberg hardware. Of course, there's
>
>> also the factor of my liking the RME converters I'd be selling and I don't
>
>> really know diddly about Yamaha converters. thad and I seem to be on the
>
>> same wavelength most of the time and I have to take into account his opinion
>
>> of Yamaha converters.
>>
>> Well........anyway......this is probably a few months away from being a
>
>> possibility anyway.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:C402CDC9.1326E%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Please don't read my post where I said this is a firewire interface.
>>> Nothing different going on here from any other fw interface.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/16/08 11:50 AM, in article 47dd6112@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>>> <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a link where you han check out a closeup of the ports:
>>>>
>>>> http://messe.harmony-central.com/Musikmesse08/Content/Steinb erg/PR/MR816-FireW
>>>> ire-Interfaces.html
>>>>
>>>> Also, I'm listening to the video clip again adn he specifically states
>
>>>> that
>>>> it connects to the computer via firewire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:47dd5efc@linux...
>>>>> Yeah, I was a little surprised no one asked the question about how
>>>>> exactly
>>>>> they achieved no latency at the end when they asked for questions. How
>
>>>>> do
>>>>> they do that I wonder? He specifically said all the Cubase channels
>
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> would be no latency.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they have that, then this has truly lived up to what I hoped for
> from
>>>>> the merger. I will say this: Yamaha is overall the finest and most
>>>>> comprehensive large music manufacturer and their products always sound
>>>>> good. Since i have used Cubase from the early Atari version in '88 or
>
>>>>> '89,
>>>>> I am a pretty big fan of Steiny too.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW he did say you could cascade 3 units, and he said they are USB,
> not
>>>>> firewire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C40220B7.131DC%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> I only watched part due to time constraints so I didn't catch that
>
>>>>>>> (i.e.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> could tell early on there was nothing new here).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes of course latency is *effectively* "zero" for the builtin dsp
> (in
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> out of the onboard mixer), but not in and out of the native system.
>>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>>> different from what Totalmix, Cuemix, Soundscape and TDM do, and while
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> may be a few nanoseconds faster than others, it's still not *really*
>>>>>>> 0.00000ns.
>>>>>> That's not what I took away from what he was saying. Check out the
>
>>>>>> video
>>>>>> again when you get time dude, I think you may have missed the whole
>>>>>> reason why I'd choose this system if I dumped Paris. What I didn't
> hear
>>>>>> though was if I could stack these units, but I'm guessing not because
>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> how fast they simply would have to be to be no latency units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course we all know absolute zero is impossible without time travel
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> There is always at least a few nanoseconds for gate setup/hold times
>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> converters, and in the dsp chips, etc, so regardless of "zero" or
>
>>>>>>> "near
>>>>>>> zero" latency claims, they are all lower than most people care about
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> it's hardware based routing, rather than latent software routing
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>> actually could be nearly as fast if the OS were optimized for it -
>
>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>> systems like Radar, etc).
>>>>>> very true, and what I wanted to hear about. Actual convertor to
>>>>>> convertor
>>>>>> latency cannot possibly be zero/none. Even Paris is hitting 1.5 mS
> end
>>>>>> to end. And I have no problems living with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marketing.... it's all marketing.... in reality, every single DAW
> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> planet adheres to the same physical limitations - they just use
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> packaging and emphasis of hardware vs. software. Good try
>>>>>>> Steiny/Yamaha.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/16/08 1:49 AM, in article 47dcc2fd$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric, they are stating 'No' Latency as in Nada..zilch..Nothing..
>
>>>>>>>> hey
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>> this at least 5 times. They even critisize other companies claim
> of
>>>>>>>> "near
>>>>>>>> zero " latency.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Look at the video again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/08 10:50 PM, in article 47dcaa29@linux, "Aaron Allen"
>>>>>>>>> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> semi-pro/pro work because of the latency they can't seem to lick.
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