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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62399 is a reply to message #62396] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 10:16   |
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Deej [1]
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>>>>>>>need to see and interact with it. They finally added the ability to
>>drag
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>or copy plugins from track to track - very PARIS like. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can edit audio with Logic in comparable ways to PARIS, moving regions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>around and adding crossfades within the same track. Again, very fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> And
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Logic's automation is more comprehensive and quick to edit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Jamie as a current owner of Logic 7 and 5.3 Win, I have been excited
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>>Logic's audio recording performance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The app is stil the same as when I purchased it back in 1997. Yes,
>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>instruments
>>>>>>>>are very good, and I still think that Logic's sequencer is in league
>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>own. However, while Steingberge re-wrote the entire audio engine
in
>>>
>>>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>>>SX, Logic and DP is esentially the same app. The audio engine is
not
>>>>>
>>>>> as
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sleek and fast as is SX/Nuendo PT,or even Paris..No
>>>>>>>>sample accurate editing. The Logic look is dated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems that Apple's Sountrack Pro is going inthe right direction.
>>>I
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62414 is a reply to message #62400] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 12:11 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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to make up some of the performance loss".
>>>>
>>>>I have to disagree here. There were only a hand full of vendors that were
>>>>actually taking advantage of the Altivec engine(Audio ease-Altiverb), and
>>>>Adobe PhotoShop. A lot of third party developers did not jump onthe
>>>>Altivec
>>>>wagon. Even our Edmund Parelli, stated that "recoding an App to use the
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>>>velocity
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>>>
>>>>engine was a major task that many , including himself was not willing to
>>>>do"..
>>>>So, where di that leave Appple?? Well, if left them with having to
>>>>"fabricate"
>>>>speed test and other outlandish performance statments. All while, trying
>>>>to convince IMB to make a better faster PPC CPU. Well, as you know, a
>>>>year
>>>>pasted on the Dual G5, which was still using 7 year cpu technology, Apple
>>>>was was lsoing badly in the performance race. Even worse, they were
>>>>counting
>>>>on IBM to boost performace of the ongoing OSX developments. When OSX
>>>>came
>>>>out we had a Siler/ G4 Dual 1gig machine. And that Mac could barely hang
>>>>with a P4 1.8 or AMD Athlon 1.5 PC..
>>>>OSX was and is a Hog.. My point is: Apple needs AMD/Intel badly. They (Mr
>>>>Jobs) can no longer spew the performance lies with a stright face any
>>>>longer.
>>>>The trurth is the truth. With a dual core Intel, Mc user's will see their
>>>>machines perform like they never have. No one will miss the Velocity
>>>>engine..Becuase
>>>>that same high-end floating point technology cane be bought on most
>>>>graphics
>>>>cards today,and that's exactly why there are companies tlike UAD and the
>>>>others that will be announce at this years Namm..
>>>>
>>>>My only worry for the Intel/Macs is that while the machines gain
>>>>significant
>>>>performance, will Apple streamline OSX so thatit won;t bog down the
>>>>CPU..??
>>>>LaMont
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hey LaMont! On this G5 thing, your reading too much in to the latest
>>>>>news.
>>>>>Go back to the Apple Key note speech and listen to what Steve Jobs said.
>>>>>You can scroll through the QT file quickly to get to the info on the new
>>>>>machines performance compared to the G5s. First, the iMac is a consumer
>>>>>product with a single G5. It is being
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62417 is a reply to message #62403] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 12:42 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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>>>>>media work. That is something that is going to change the whole
>>>>>equation
>>>>>when Apple jumps their software over to intel. Altivec is a definite
>>>>>factor
>>>>>in how a G4 and G5 perform. I think that is why they went with dual
>>>>>core
>>>>>Intel chips, to make up some of the performance loss. My guess is one
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>>>processor
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>>>
>>>>>is handling what Altivec was handling, but I don't know for sure. Time
>>>>
>>>>will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>tell on all this.
>>>>>I'm just saying look in to all of it more closely. I think if you do,
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>>your honest with yourself, you'll see what I'm talking about.
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@amerietch.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Logic use to be my main sequencer, it still is,if I'm using a computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>But,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm not comparis Logic with Paris, rather Cubase SX/Nuendo, Pro Tools
>>>
>>>LE
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>AKA The Natives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Logic does not handle audio, in both recording, editing and mixng the
>>>
>>>way
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>these apps do. Logic is a fine music creation DAW and yes you can mix
>>>
>>>fairly
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>well on it.. But, I would not say that it's audio engine is as sleek,
>>>
>>>fast
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>as Cubase SX/Nuendo or PT LE. It's still that same old mixer/arrange
>>>>>>setup
>>>>>>that been there since version 4. We have Logic 7.1 on a dual G5 (2.5)
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62425 is a reply to message #62417] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 16:28 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
Messages: 258
Registered: July 2005
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t;>>>
>>>>>>Other users have voice thee same concerns
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So really, you guys are just complaining about parts of Logic's
>>>>>>>interface - specifically the environment window? Is that correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But not the sound, right LaMont? Or do you think there is a problem
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the way Logic records and plays audio? If so, what steps do you
>>>>>>>suggest
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to demonstrate a sound problem with Logic 7.1? I'm seriously
>>>>>>>interested
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>in the basis of your criticism of the current Logic 7.1 audio engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As far as the interface goes, I found that once I got enough of a
>>>>>>>handle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>on the environment stuff, the rest of the program is reasonably well
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>laid out and easy to work with. But as I alluded to earlier, they
>>>>>>>could
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>knock down the learning curve a bit with some thoughtful design
>>>>>>>decisions to get some functions out of the environment window, and
>>>>>>>they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>could improve the visual feedback and layout of the environment window
>>>>>
>>>>>>>itself. I think the environment window trips up a lot of people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>7.1 did improve things somewhat but there's improvement left to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The mixer and arrange windows are very similar to PARIS, for audio,
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>without the 16 track per window limitation and with the ability to
>>>>>>>automate everything. And with very nice integration of included and
>>>>>>>3rd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>party FX plugins and soft synths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're right that the soft synths are useful but I think it's
>>>>>>>overstating things to dismiss the rest of the program. The audio
>>>>>>>recording is straightforward and the fx include a fairly complete set
>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>very useful tools right out of the box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is a learning curve with the environment which they could indeed
>>>>>
>>>>>>>improve. But once you get past that, and get hip to the long-click
>>>>>>>thing, for me Logic hasn't been any slower to get around than PARIS.
>>>
>>>Get
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>down with your bad self on some keyboard commands,
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62448 is a reply to message #62425] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 19:49 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
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where Logic should be. So, maybe we are seeing
the
>>>>
>>>>future
>>>>
>>>>>>of Logic..Ihope so, because until they some wholesale changes, I'm
not
>>>>
>>>>spening
>>>>
>>>>>>another dime on any apple product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Take care..LaMont
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Other users have voice thee same concerns
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So really, you guys are just complaining about parts of Logic's
>>>>>>>interface - specifically the environment window? Is that correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But not the sound, right LaMont? Or do you think there is a problem
>>
>> with
>>
>>>>>>>the way Logic records and plays audio? If so, what steps do you suggest
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to demonstrate a sound problem with Logic 7.1? I'm seriously interested
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>in the basis of your criticism of the current Logic 7.1 audio engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As far as the interface goes, I found that once I got enough of a
handle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>on the environment stuff, the rest of the program is reasonably well
>>>
>>>>>>>laid out and easy to work with. But as I alluded to earlier, they
could
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>knock down the learning curve a bit with some thoughtful design
>>>>>>>decisions to get some functions out of the environment window, and
they
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>could improve the visual feedback and layout of the environment window
>>>>>
>>>>>>>itself. I think the environment window trips up a lot of people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>7.1 did improve things somewhat but there's improvement left to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The mixer and arrange windows are very similar to PARIS, for audio,
>>
>> but
>>
>>>>>>>without the 16 track per window limitation and with the ability to
>>>>>>>automate everything. And with very nice integration of included and
>>
>> 3rd
>>
>>>>>>>party FX plugins and soft synths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're right that the soft synths are useful but I think it's
>>>>>>>overstating things to dismiss the rest of the program. The audio
>>>>>>>recording is straightforward and the fx include a fairly complete
set
>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>>>very useful tools right out of the box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is a learning curve with the environment which they could indeed
>>>>>
>>>>>>>improve. But once you get past that, and get hip to the long-click
>>>>>>>thing, for me Logic hasn't been any slower to get around than PARIS.
>>>
>>>Get
>>>
>>>>>>>down with your bad self on some keyboard commands, Shuttle Pro or
a
>>
>>
>>>>>>>remote fader/shuttle setup and it's probably faster than PARIS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>IOW not slow at all, IMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>&
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