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| Re: Ollabelle [message #97600 is a reply to message #97598] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 08:40  |
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| Re: Ollabelle [message #97648 is a reply to message #97615] |
Mon, 31 March 2008 02:08 |
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e seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several
times
>>before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
>a
>>fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community. It
>>stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and rising,
>so
>>if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently come
>>to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users who
>>don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>>users.
>>
>>Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>>
>>Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>>derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently active
>>PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months,
and
>>is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that info
>>broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability
to
>>open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>>ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format), other
>>developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>>still have and use PARIS hardware.
>>
>>To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and censuses;
>>theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but theyıre
>>unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an arbitrary
>>length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>>timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>>posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>>questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different ways
>>so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>>labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>>number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening months
>>would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>>
>>Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we might
>>once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but
as
>a
>>"minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
>come
>>to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not interested
>>in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>>starting from here and going forward.
>>
>>So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real users
>>is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven efforts
>>for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>>than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
>and
>>some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful work
>>done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>>developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>
>>Hope this is of interest!
>>
>>- Kerry
>>
>A bit more info I found :-)
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in this edition of Windows. This Browzar web browser is only here
so you can at least get online and download Firefox, Opera, Netscape
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Video without even having to install Flash Player. You can just
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"Rob Arsenault" <mani1147athotmaildotcom> wrote in message
news:486e2435$1@linux...
> Great news Mike, keep us posted.
>
>
> "Mike Bloomer" <tubeguru2006@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:486d9ec7@linux...
>>
>> Micro XP is a hacked stripped down version of XP.It's apparently popular
>> with
>> gamers... A friend at work got a hold of a copy and I had a chance to try
>> it.I work at a computer repair shop and the idea behind trying it was to
>> make some of the older P3s usable again. It works! It takes about 10
>> minutes
>> to do a complete install. When the system is booted up it uses 36 meg of
>> memory and runs 15 processes! Nearly everything has been stripped from
>> the
>> OS. There is no local networking, no scheduling, and no internet
>> explorer.
>> It will run Firefox though so internet is possible.Most XP programs will
>> run on it.
>> Just for giggles I loaded it on a 900MHz P3 with 256mb ram. Then I
>> installed
>> Cubase LE and loaded in 10 stereo tracks of audio and 15 plugins. It ran
>> it perfectly and wasn't bogged down at all! So I added 10 more stereo
>> tracks
>> and it ran those.
>> I tried it on my Paris box at home as a dual boot and so far so good. It
>> seems to be immune to some of Paris's bugs.
>> If you decide to try it get version .08 not version .06 which is more
>> commonly
>> available. I'm still testing I'll do a more complete synopsis when I'm
>> finished....
>> MB
>
>Google the phrase * MicroXP v0.82 *
Looks like a bit torrent.
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:486e45c8$1@linux...
>
> Hey Mike, where can you get it?
>
> "Mike Bloomer" <tubeguru2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Micro XP is a hacked stripped down version of XP.It's apparently popular
> with
>>gamers... A friend at work got a hold of a copy and I had a chance to try
>>it.I work at a computer repair shop and the idea behind trying it was to
>>make some of the older P3s usable again. It works! It takes about 10
>>minutes
>>to do a complete install. When the system is booted up it uses 36 meg of
>>memory and runs 15 processes! Nearly everything has been stripped from the
>>OS. There is no local networking, no scheduling, and no internet explorer.
>>It will run Firefox though so internet is possible.Most XP programs will
>>run on it.
>>Just for giggles I loaded it on a 900MHz P3 with 256mb ram. Then I
>>installed
>>Cubase LE and loaded in 10 stereo tracks of audio and 15 plugins. It ran
>>it perfectly and wasn't bogged down at all! So I added 10 more stereo
>>tracks
>>and it ran those.
>>I tried it on my Paris box at home as a dual boot and so far so good. It
>>seems to be immune to some of Paris's bugs.
>>If you decide to try it get version .08 not version .06 which is more
>>commonly
>>available. I'm still testing I'll do a more complete synopsis when I'm
>>finished....
>>MB
>> I'd pay for the luxury.
Ya me too.
A little shnazzy filtering and/or distortion in the
feedback loop would be cool too.
Tom
"Kim W." <no@freakin'.way> wrote in message news:486e5b1c$1@linux...
>
> ..Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
> Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
> Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
> I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
> dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
> decay naturally.
> I'd pay for the luxury.
> KimI know you've probably thought of this, but you can put 2 delays in series.
Make the first one a straight delay with no feedback, and add as much as
you need to the second delay which will probably be maxed out time wise and
have some feedback.
Or...copy the track to another track, delay that track the amount you need
to make the delay work with the existilng Paris delay (if you want a 2 second
delay, delay the first track 1 second, then add the delay plug on an aux.)
mute that track and set it to sent pre fade. Yes it would be cool to have
a 2 second delay, but I've done this a few times and it's not a big deal.
Rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>
>Ya me too.
>
>A little shnazzy filtering and/or distortion in the
>feedback loop would be cool too.
>
>Tom
>
>
>"Kim W." <no@freakin'.way> wrote in message news:486e5b1c$1@linux...
>>
>> ..Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
>> Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
>> Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
>> I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
>> dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
>> decay naturally.
>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>> Kim
>
>Ya Rod, and add an amp emulator, eq or any plug-in at that stage for color
is nice.
I've been there too.
It's amazing how easy we all want everything to be these days? ! I used to
have to
route through the patchbay for all this good stuff. I was happy that it was
there
and even possible.
I'm betting Mike never expected to be designing effects for us when he
started out.
I am just so appreciative of his effort to this point I feel silly asking
for more than he's
already given.
So, in my silly sort of tone, Mike can you do it?
Tom
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:486ef859$1@linux...
>
> I know you've probably thought of this, but you can put 2 delays in
> series.
> Make the first one a straight delay with no feedback, and add as much as
> you need to the second delay which will probably be maxed out time wise
> and
> have some feedback.
> Or...copy the track to another track, delay that track the amount you need
> to make the delay work with the existilng Paris delay (if you want a 2
> second
> delay, delay the first track 1 second, then add the delay plug on an aux.)
> mute that track and set it to sent pre fade. Yes it would be cool to have
> a 2 second delay, but I've done this a few times and it's not a big deal.
> Rod
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>
>>Ya me too.
>>
>>A little shnazzy filtering and/or distortion in the
>>feedback loop would be cool too.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>"Kim W." <no@freakin'.way> wrote in message news:486e5b1c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> ..Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
>>> Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
>>> Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
>>> I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
>>> dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
>>> decay naturally.
>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>> Kim
>>
>>
>Hey, that makes sense! But do we come out the other side intact but in a
weird parallel universe?
S
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:486e42ad$1@linux...
>I just figured it out. The universe creates black holes by creating
>sentient
> beings, intelligent enough to discover and design technology enabling them
> spawn a black hole. And POOF, there arises the black hole which gobbles up
> the associated solar system. I postulate therefore that every black hole
> which exists in the universe was created by a group of nuclear physicists
> :-)
>
> Rich
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:486dccfc$1@linux...
>>
>> "Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I thought I was. I conceived this notion during a paranoid moment during
>> >an acid trip back in the early 70's when I decided that nuclear testing
>> was
>> >going to start a interdimentional chain reaction that would eventually
> cause
>> >our sun to explode. Of course, I then proceeded to write it all down and
>> >turn it in as a mini thesis for a political science class I was taking
>> >at
>> >the time......then I sobered up.
>> >
>> >I was embarrassed about this until I saw the last few minutes of Men In
>> Black,
>> >which totally vindicated me.
>> >;)
>>
>> It's worse than you know!!
>>
>>
> http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2008/07/01/could-th e-large-hadron-collider-destory-earth/
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>
>Hi Guys,
I promise I will do a rockin' delay. Right now, I'm just spending all of
my time trying to get NoLimit to compile on the Mac. I feel like I'm close,
but I still haven't got a finished library to test.
I hope you are enjoying the compressor. It's basically a slightly modified
sexual chocolate, which is cool to finally get out to people.
Cheers!
Mike
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>Ya Rod, and add an amp emulator, eq or any plug-in at that stage for color
>is nice.
>I've been there too.
>
>It's amazing how easy we all want everything to be these days? ! I used
to
>have to
>route through the patchbay for all this good stuff. I was happy that it
was
>there
>and even possible.
>
>I'm betting Mike never expected to be designing effects for us when he
>started out.
>I am just so appreciative of his effort to this point I feel silly asking
>for more than he's
>already given.
>
>So, in my silly sort of tone, Mike can you do it?
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:486ef859$1@linux...
>>
>> I know you've probably thought of this, but you can put 2 delays in
>> series.
>> Make the first one a straight delay with no feedback, and add as much
as
>> you need to the second delay which will probably be maxed out time wise
>> and
>> have some feedback.
>> Or...copy the track to another track, delay that track the amount you
need
>> to make the delay work with the existilng Paris delay (if you want a 2
>> second
>> delay, delay the first track 1 second, then add the delay plug on an aux.)
>> mute that track and set it to sent pre fade. Yes it would be cool to have
>> a 2 second delay, but I've done this a few times and it's not a big deal.
>> Rod
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>
>>>Ya me too.
>>>
>>>A little shnazzy filtering and/or distortion in the
>>>feedback loop would be cool too.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>"Kim W." <no@freakin'.way> wrote in message news:486e5b1c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> ..Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
>>>> Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
>>>> Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
>>>> I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
>>>> dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
>>>> decay naturally.
>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>> Kim
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Hi Mike,
Well I haven't tried it yet but I might have had you named it
Sexual Chocolate II ! It's all in the marketing huh?
I'll chime in after I get it going.
Tom
"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote in message news:486f8148$1@linux...
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I promise I will do a rockin' delay. Right now, I'm just spending all of
> my time trying to get NoLimit to compile on the Mac. I feel like I'm
> close,
> but I still haven't got a finished library to test.
>
> I hope you are enjoying the compressor. It's basically a slightly
> modified
> sexual chocolate, which is cool to finally get out to people.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mike
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Ya Rod, and add an amp emulator, eq or any plug-in at that stage for color
>
>>is nice.
>>I've been there too.
>>
>>It's amazing how easy we all want everything to be these days? ! I used
> to
>>have to
>>route through the patchbay for all this good stuff. I was happy that it
> was
>>there
>>and even possible.
>>
>>I'm betting Mike never expected to be designing effects for us when he
>>started out.
>>I am just so appreciative of his effort to this point I feel silly asking
>
>>for more than he's
>>already given.
>>
>>So, in my silly sort of tone, Mike can you do it?
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:486ef859$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I know you've probably thought of this, but you can put 2 delays in
>>> series.
>>> Make the first one a straight delay with no feedback, and add as much
> as
>>> you need to the second delay which will probably be maxed out time wise
>
>>> and
>>> have some feedback.
>>> Or...copy the track to another track, delay that track the amount you
> need
>>> to make the delay work with the existilng Paris delay (if you want a 2
>
>>> second
>>> delay, delay the first track 1 second, then add the delay plug on an
>>> aux.)
>>> mute that track and set it to sent pre fade. Yes it would be cool to
>>> have
>>> a 2 second delay, but I've done this a few times and it's not a big
>>> deal.
>>> Rod
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>>
>>>>Ya me too.
>>>>
>>>>A little shnazzy filtering and/or distortion in the
>>>>feedback loop would be cool too.
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kim W." <no@freakin'.way> wrote in message news:486e5b1c$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> ..Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
>>>>> Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
>>>>> Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
>>>>> I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
>>>>> dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
>>>>> decay naturally.
>>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>>> Kim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Dimitrios,
I did read your post and thanks. I have sent you another
direct email but I'm not sure you got that can you respond
or are they bouncing back to you?
I threw you my two other email addresses there also.
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:486e3ed2@linux...
> As much trouble as you two have emailing each other you should both
> seriously consider creating a gmail account ( http://mail.google.com )
> AA
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:486e1eca$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>> I have posted this already on the graphics post I made but in case you
>> did
>> not catch it here it is again...
>> Hi Tom,
>> My emails still bounce back so I will use this forum to reply to your
>> questions
>> !
>>
>> Hi !!
>> I hope that you are well with your foot !
>> Regarding your questions all are positive !
>> Yes sample accuraccy there.
>> No pci extra just the synplate added to scope card.
>> Use ASIO2 protocol under cubase.
>> By starting Paris Cubase follows sample accurate.
>> Let me know if you need more detailed instructions as how to do this !
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>
>Hey all - I've been out of the loop lately with work and travel.
I played around with loading MicroXP last night - I gotta say... it's
very impressive. Really, really fast. I loaded Paris, and it flies -
haven't had a crash yet, and I've never seen the meters and transport
run so smoothly. It 'feels' silly good.
Definitely worth looking into for Paris on XP.
-Carl
Aaron Allen wrote:
> Google the phrase * MicroXP v0.82 *
> Looks like a bit torrent.
>
> AA
>Hi Ted
- maybe I phrased that poorly, I'm afraid I have something of a fever and am
not at my clearest. By 'real users' I meant 'current' users. By "a hard
floor of 125 real users" I meant to say we now have a solid idea the
*minimum* number of current PARIS users out there. 400 is what we're
estimating the true number actually is.
As far as examples of other pieces of discontinued technology, I'll write a
bit when I've got less mush brain.
- K
On 7/3/08 7:44 PM, in article 486d8e93$1@linux, "Ted Gerber"
<tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Kerry-
>
> I'm a little slower than usual tonight, can you define the
> difference between "real users" and "users worldwide"?
>
> 400 does in fact seem like an enticing number for developers.
> Can you give some examples of "some aficionado groups for other pieces of
> discontinued technology" and the progress made
> in those settings?
One example would be the Roland Vbass. That community has *perhaps* 20
members and averaged a post or two a week. I came across that community last
year when I bought a used Vbass and quickly discovered Roland never built an
editor/librarian for it. Someone did build one for the Roland VG8 and it
looked like it could be modified for the Vbass, but the developer was
uninterested in opening the source code. After months of chasing down and
researching, making unresponded-to emails etc, I got a response from the
developer and after a few exchanges on it he agreed to release the source
code.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Ted
>
>
> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>> yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate posts.
>>
>> Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>> support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>> certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>> hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If we
>> want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better know
>> who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball" guesstimates
>> weren't doing us much justice.
>>
>> Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>> research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>> supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>> basic research with you all.
>>
>> Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several times
>> before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
> a
>> fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community. It
>> stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and rising,
> so
>> if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently come
>> to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users who
>> don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>> users.
>>
>> Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>>
>> Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>> derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently active
>> PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months, and
>> is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that info
>> broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability to
>> open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>> ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format), other
>> developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>> still have and use PARIS hardware.
>>
>> To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and censuses;
>> theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but theyıre
>> unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an arbitrary
>> length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>> timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>> posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>> questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different ways
>> so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>> labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>> number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening months
>> would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>>
>> Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we might
>> once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but as
> a
>> "minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
> come
>> to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not interested
>> in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>> starting from here and going forward.
>>
>> So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real users
>> is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven efforts
>> for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>> than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
> and
>> some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful work
>> done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>> developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>
>> Hope this is of interest!
>>
>> - Kerry
>>
>Hi Tom,
I considered that, but I used to record a lot of kids with their parents
sitting on a couch behind me. Having "Sexual Chocolate" on the screen would
have been awkward.
You can always change it yourself, though. Just go into the ini file and
look for "variable Knee Compressor" and change it to whatever you like. :)
All the best,
Mike
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hi Mike,
>
>Well I haven't tried it yet but I might have had you named it
>Sexual Chocolate II ! It's all in the marketing huh?
>
>I'll chime in after I get it going.
>
>Tom
>
>"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote in message news:486f8148$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I promise I will do a rockin' delay. Right now, I'm just spending all
of
>> my time trying to get NoLimit to compile on the Mac. I feel like I'm
>> close,
>> but I still haven't got a finished library to test.
>>
>> I hope you are enjoying the compressor. It's basically a slightly
>> modified
>> sexual chocolate, which is cool to finally get out to people.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Ya Rod, and add an amp emulator, eq or any plug-in at that stage for color
>>
>>>is nice.
>>>I've been there too.
>>>
>>>It's amazing how easy we all want everything to be these days? ! I used
>> to
>>>have to
>>>route through the patchbay for all this good stuff. I was happy that
it
>> was
>>>there
>>>and even possible.
>>>
>>>I'm betting Mike never expected to be designing effects for us when he
>>>started out.
>>>I am just so appreciative of his effort to this point I feel silly asking
>>
>>>for more than he's
>>>already given.
>>>
>>>So, in my silly sort of tone, Mike can you do it?
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:486ef859$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I know you've probably thought of this, but you can put 2 delays in
>>>> series.
>>>> Make the first one a straight delay with no feedback, and add as much
>> as
>>>> you need to the second delay which will probably be maxed out time wise
>>
>>>> and
>>>> have some feedback.
>>>> Or...copy the track to another track, delay that track the amount you
>> need
>>>> to make the delay work with the existilng Paris delay (if you want a
2
>>
>>>> second
>>>> delay, delay the first track 1 second, then add the delay plug on an
>>>> aux.)
>>>> mute that track and set it to sent pre fade. Yes it would be cool to
>>>> have
>>>> a 2 second delay, but I've done this a few times and it's not a big
>>>> deal.
>>>> Rod
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ya me too.
>>>>>
>>>>>A little shnazzy filtering and/or distortion in the
>>>>>feedback loop would be cool too.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kim W." <no@freakin'.way> wrote in message news:486e5b1c$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ..Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
>>>>>> Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
>>>>>> Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
>>>>>> I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
>>>>>> dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
>>>>>> decay naturally.
>>>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>>>> Kim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>You did the right thing for both of us.
"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote in message news:486fba3f$1@linux...
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I considered that, but I used to record a lot of kids with their parents
> sitting on a couch behind me. Having "Sexual Chocolate" on the screen
> would
> have been awkward.
>
> You can always change it yourself, though. Just go into the ini file and
> look for "variable Knee Compressor" and change it to whatever you like. :)
>
> All the best,
>
> Mike
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Hi Mike,
>>
>>Well I haven't tried it yet but I might have had you named it
>>Sexual Chocolate II ! It's all in the marketing huh?
>>
>>I'll chime in after I get it going.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote in message news:486f8148$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I promise I will do a rockin' delay. Right now, I'm just spending all
> of
>>> my time trying to get NoLimit to compile on the Mac. I feel like I'm
>>> close,
>>> but I still haven't got a finished library to test.
>>>
>>> I hope you are enjoying the compressor. It's basically a slightly
>>> modified
>>> sexual chocolate, which is cool to finally get out to people.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Ya Rod, and add an amp emulator, eq or any plug-in at that stage for
>>>>color
>>>
>>>>is nice.
>>>>I've been there too.
>>>>
>>>>It's amazing how easy we all want everything to be these days? ! I used
>>> to
>>>>have to
>>>>route through the patchbay for all this good stuff. I was happy that
> it
>>> was
>>>>there
>>>>and even possible.
>>>>
>>>>I'm betting Mike never expected to be designing effects for us when he
>>>>started out.
>>>>I am just so appreciative of his effort to this point I feel silly
>>>>asking
>>>
>>>>for more than he's
>>>>already given.
>>>>
>>>>So, in my silly sort of tone, Mike can you do it?
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:486ef859$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you've probably thought of this, but you can put 2 delays in
>>>>> series.
>>>>> Make the first one a straight delay with no feedback, and add as much
>>> as
>>>>> you need to the second delay which will probably be maxed out time
>>>>> wise
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> have some feedback.
>>>>> Or...copy the track to another track, delay that track the amount you
>>> need
>>>>> to make the delay work with the existilng Paris delay (if you want a
> 2
>>>
>>>>> second
>>>>> delay, delay the first track 1 second, then add the delay plug on an
>
>>>>> aux.)
>>>>> mute that track and set it to sent pre fade. Yes it would be cool to
>
>>>>> have
>>>>> a 2 second delay, but I've done this a few times and it's not a big
>
>>>>> deal.
>>>>> Rod
>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ya me too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A little shnazzy filtering and/or distortion in the
>>>>>>feedback loop would be cool too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Kim W." <no@freakin'.way> wrote in message news:486e5b1c$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ..Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
>>>>>>> Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
>>>>>>> Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
>>>>>>> I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
>>>>>>> dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
>>>>>>> decay naturally.
>>>>>>> I'd pay for the luxury.
>>>>>>> Kim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>If you install a boxed copy of XP and patch it, you're not all that far from
this. You might have to do a bit to stop some services from starting, but
it's only a few. I don't about the handle and thread counts mentioned re:
MicroXP
However, with MicroXP you lose LAN networking, user accounts (I know what
they're doing to do that, don't think it's a good idea), remote desktop,
automatic updates (you want to run an unpatched XP machine? You sure?), and
a bunch of other stuff. I don't think that's a good trade.
TCB
"Mike Bloomer" <tubeguru2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Micro XP is a hacked stripped down version of XP.It's apparently popular
with
>gamers... A friend at work got a hold of a copy and I had a chance to try
>it.I work at a computer repair shop and the idea behind trying it was to
>make some of the older P3s usable again. It works! It takes about 10 minutes
>to do a complete install. When the system is booted up it uses 36 meg of
>memory and runs 15 processes! Nearly everything has been stripped from the
>OS. There is no local networking, no scheduling, and no internet explorer.
>It will run Firefox though so internet is possible.Most XP programs will
>run on it.
>Just for giggles I loaded it on a 900MHz P3 with 256mb ram. Then I installed
>Cubase LE and loaded in 10 stereo tracks of audio and 15 plugins. It ran
>it perfectly and wasn't bogged down at all! So I added 10 more stereo tracks
>and it ran those.
>I tried it on my Paris box at home as a dual boot and so far so good. It
>seems to be immune to some of Paris's bugs.
>If you decide to try it get version .08 not version .06 which is more commonly
>available. I'm still testing I'll do a more complete synopsis when I'm finished....
>MBJohn wrote:
> also, can you run updates to keep it secure ?
No you can't run updates, but the good news is that most of the stuff
affected by most common Malware is not there... Avg Free version 7.5
works fine, Spybot will also run. AVG 8 will not install, neither will
NTI cd burning , Nero 6 will though.
The reason the networking works the way it does I think is that the
networking protocols for internet and local networking are different.
If you leave out the local networking it doesn't really affect the
internet. An advantage to this is that the Micro XP machine can't infect
other machines on the network.
I have also noticed that when micro XP is installed as a dual boot, it
modifies the existing Windows installation even if you install to a
separate folder. I am still investigating exactly what it modifies.
Things like fonts and mouse cursors are affected. I think that what it
removes can be replaced if desired with an SFC Scannow or a repair
installation of the full XP install.
MBThat's true, and on a really powerful computer you might not gain that
much in terms of resources. I did notice a definite increase in speed
snd smoothness and Paris seems a bit less buggy. Whether it actually is
I will find out after more exhaustive testing. I don't really miss LAN I
never used it on my DAW, and my DAW never goes on the internet. The
remote services are also pretty useless on a DAW. I think the best of
both worlds would be separate installations on separate partitions.
Where it
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