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| Important adat sync questions for Dave et al [message #66160] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 08:37  |
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jef knight[1]
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>> > Error 1/1: Can't initialize engine. They work just fine on the older
>pc
>> > with Windows 98se. Unlike in 98se, XP doesn't show any Ensoniq EDS1000
>> > cards in Device Manager, only the Paris Midi Driver. It doesn't even
>> > recognize that a new device is installed, once the EDS cards are put
in.
>> > Other cards such as mdoem, network card, etc. are recognized. Need
>help.
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>Turn on PNP OS in bios, also turn off USB, Parallel Port, Serial and anything
else you can till you get stable. Also make sure the cards come up on their
own IRQ. My MB manual was wrong on which slots share IRQs so all this time
mine was crashing due to IRQ conflicts. On boot up look at what IRQ's the
BIOS is putting them on. IRQ 3 works best for me. Then run the Schrezo
setup program to install the drivers, Install Paris and the FX subsystem
and you should be golden.
John
"cr8250" <jwires@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the tips. I just don't get why Matrox is such a pain. There
>appears to be plenty of irq's and they are nice cards. Also, you mention
>the pci specs... what pci spec do the EDS 1000 cards have? I believe the
>new motherboard standard is v 2.2. Here ar
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| Re: Important adat sync questions for Dave et al [message #66163 is a reply to message #66160] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 08:44  |
jef knight[1]
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gt; > Athlon
>> > 64 X2 3800+, 2 GB ram, several hard drives and XP Pro. We use 1 Mec
and
>2
>> > EDS 1000 cards, also a Matrox P650 dualhead pci-e video card. We
>followed
>> > the installations tips for XP beta drivers, but no luck. Thinking maybe
>> > Paris didn't like the new chipset, we switched m/b to a Asus A8V-E with
>a
>> > Via chipset, still no go. Why is it, some people seem to get it working
>> > with no troubles, and others can't seem to ever get it working? Also,
>> > what
>> > should be seen in XP's device manager? The only things we see are a
>> > Ensoniq
>> > MIDI driver. Is this indicative of a conflict? The error message we
>get
>> > is
>> > Error 1/1: Can't initialize engine. They work just fine on the older
>pc
>> > with Windows 98se. Need help guys.
>> >
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>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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>Hi Parisians (I'm pleased that I'm not the only one left who's still got something
going for the kit ;-),
can anybody advise me on how to get Paris to interact with a DM-3200. The
idea is ultimately to replace the good old C-16s with the DM-3200 if this
makes sense?
Thanks in advanceGood tip!
rod
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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| Re: Important adat sync questions for Dave et al [message #66165 is a reply to message #66163] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 08:50 |
Don Nafe
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of any acoustic treatment, so each & every problem was very
apparent (such as the protruding concrete ceiling joist a few
feet behind the listening position reflecting all kinds of crap
down at you). His problem was probably worse than yours,
because the steel desktop isn't going to absorb ANYTHING,
whereas if your desktop is wood or particle board, etc., it's
going to absorb at least a little of what hits it.
So if it's the desk & only the desk, what about turning the
desktop into a bass trap... 703 on the underside of the
desktop, enclose that with some wood with an air gap inside -
you know the drill.
Bet no one's tried that before. Could work!
Neil
"DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
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>Hi Neil!
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>howwahhya?
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>I have a very nice 10' ceiling with a good slope and Celotex all over
>it. Worse, the bass boost happens long before the sound gets up
>there. You can take the measurement mic and watch the
>phenomenon disappear as you get close to the speaker, and
>reappear right at my listening position. I also deliberately measured
>the anomaly at only 75db or so, so I am sure I am not hearing
>reflections. BTW, the proportion of boost does not increase with
>level, so it is not coming back from the room.
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>I *really* have to get rid of this desk. It also really buggers the
>sub's response because of all the chambers and loading it creates.
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>I will know more shortly.
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>thanks for the help everyone!
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>DC
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>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>You might also just try hanging a bass trap directly above the
>>listening position (if you've got a flat ceiling), or a couple
>>feet in front of the listening position (if you've got
>>a "proper" control room slanted-type ceiling). That'll suck up
>>several db's worth of reflected freq's in your problem range.
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| Re: Important adat sync questions for Dave et al [message #66169 is a reply to message #66165] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 08:59 |
jef knight[1]
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so deliberately measured
>the anomaly at only 75db or so, so I am sure I am not hearing
>reflections. BTW, the proportion of boost does not increase with
>level, so it is not coming back from the room.
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>I *really* have to get rid of this desk. It also really buggers the
>sub's response because of all the chambers and loading it creates.
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>I will know more shortly.
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>thanks for the help everyone!
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>DC
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>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>You might also just try hanging a bass trap directly above the
>>listening position (if you've got a flat ceiling), or a couple
>>feet in front of the listening position (if you've got
>>a "proper" control room slanted-type ceiling). That'll suck up
>>several db's worth of reflected freq's in your problem range.
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>>Just a simple homemade absorber should work to test it out...
>>glue a sheet of OC-703 to a piece of 1/4" MDF, wrap a pretty
>>color of cloth around it for appearance's sake & hang it from
>>eyelet screws attached to each corner of the MDF... won't
>>absorb as much lows as a proper bass trap, but it'll have
>>enough mass to cut down some of it, and for 15 bucks worth of
>>goodies you might be able to keep your desk. If it cuts down
>>some, but not quite enough, then at least you'll know if
>>hanging one or two proper bass traps in that position will get
>>the job done.
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>>Neil
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>>"DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
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>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>It's probably near field early reflections from the desk surface.
>>>>This has always been an issue with meter bridge mounted monitors. In
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>>>>the past, I used to sit the nearfields on stands behind the console at
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>>>>a height that would prevent any direct reflection from the desk
>>>>surface... maybe try something like that...
>>>>
>>>>David.
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>>>A friend who designs monitors calls it the "baffle step effect" which
>>>is another way of saying that the reflections are so e
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| Re: Important adat sync questions for Dave et al [message #66171 is a reply to message #66160] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 09:02 |
EK Sound
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t;AA
>>>
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>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote in message news:4456b31d$1@linux...
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>>>> Well, it's true, but we have to start somewhere. Everyone, even
>>>> the home stereo speaker people, start with a flat response as the
>>>> goal. If we listen to the truth, we can color it and tweak it up, and
>>>> it will rock on most systems. If the monitors don't tell us the truth,
>>>> our work tends to translate to even fewer systems, not more.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, most living rooms are less bollixed up than many
>>>> studios acoustically. All this hardware, especially mixers and studio
>>>> furniture really make it hard to hear. And we haven't even talked
>>>> about bad speaker locations, asymetrical rooms and other such
>>>> nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> I always used my room solely for my own originals and never worried
>>>> about how accurate it was. Now I am finding out that, while the
>>>> room itself sounds quite good, this desk is a major problem.
>>>> Tomorrow I am going to get rid of it, and then put the analyzer back
>>>> up and see if we fixed the boost at 100.
>>>>
>>>> DC
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>>>> "justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>>>>>I know what you're saying, but if you listen to music you 'know' in
a
>>>>>certain environment, you will be able to tell yourself what to do...
>even
>>>> if
>>>>>you build a 100% flat environment to work in, you can still have the
>same
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>>>>>issues thinking your stuff sounds good here so it will sound good there.
>>>> I
>>>>>can go to any environment I know and know ahead of time how its going
>>to
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| Re: Important adat sync questions for Dave et al [message #66175 is a reply to message #66171] |
Wed, 05 April 2006 09:50 |
Deej [1]
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P.S. Timbuktu Pro adds a fair amount of strain on my Paris system so this
can be problematic on complex mixes. I recently tried doing a “Two box mix”
running Timbuktu Pro on my Mac running Performer. I wired a pair of super
long MIDI cables so I can also run my MorotMix along with the laptop. It’s
a cool setup but still mostly academic since I have never preferred a mix
I have done this way.
Next to try… my wireless laptop setup works well all around my house and
yard, so– Mix in my car! If I run the long MIDI cables out my bedroom window,
I think I can also use the MotorMix.
"DC" <DC@spammersinhell.org> wrote:
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>Hi all,
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>Hey, I am finding this out the hard way. My mix of the live project is
>coming along nicely, except for all the acoustic anomalies I am
>discovering.
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>This is un-freaking believeable, but the analyzer proved it.
>What I found is that putting speakers on top of typical audio
>furniture causes *huge* frequency-response problems. No matter
>how you do it.
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>All these sort of things:
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>http://www.omnirax.com
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>http://www.argosyconsole.com/
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>http://custom-consoles.com/recording_studio_furniture.php
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>Every one of them, cause huge increases in the low mids by acting
>as an extension of the front baffle of the speaker. Speaker
>freq. response is measured in anechoic chambers, so speakers are
>designed to be flat in that environment. When you put them on
>the top of a table or console, or even nearby to a table or console,
>you get a significant boost in low-mids (typically, but it depends on
>the size of the new baffle surface). In my case it results in an 8db
>boost at 100hz. !!!!
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>DAMN! How am I supposed to mix like this? So, I am off to find
>a very small desk that will just fit 2 C-16's with the computer KB
>underneath, and the speakers are going back on the heavy stands.
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>Why doesn't anyone offer studio furniture that deals with this?
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>More to come as I dig into this problem...
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>DC
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>Sorry to hear about your trouble!
I installed a one-card w/MEC + 3.0 on XP Pro a couple of weeks ago. The MB
is an ECS (garden variety cheapo on sale at Fry's) with a 2.66GHz P4 (non-Hyperthreading
CPU) and a gig of Corsair
memory.
First, verify that Hyperthreading is disabled in your BIOS (if you're using
a CPU that supports it).
I had to install the drivers a couple of times as the EDS did not show up
in Device Manager. Remove all PARIS drivers, shut down, remove the EDS, then
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| Re: Important adat sync questions for Dave et al - woohoo! [message #66327 is a reply to message #66301] |
Fri, 07 April 2006 18:01 |
jef knight[1]
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"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4457d5d6@linux...
> Yup, no change at all till you add another interface.
>
> David.
>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > Thanks you guys. Will I then keep the Mecs in series with the
> > other WC devices connected?
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com <mailto:askme@nospam.com>> wrote in
> > message news:44579552@linux...
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > No change to Paris is needed unless you add an additional interface.
> > Identical length cables are not necessary, or practical. You *must*
> > use high quality cable and connections though, this is very
important.
> > I have our WC gen in with the console housing and my cable runs
> > (Canare LV61S with proper crimp connections) vary from 1' to the
> > longest run of about 25'... no problems.
> >
> > As for the extra detail, the difference will be slight but it will
be
> > there. The most noticeable difference will be with a project from
> > scratch.
> >
> > David.
> >
> > Tom Bruhl wrote:
> >
> > > David,
> > > If I add an RME or Lynx card in the future that requires WC then
> > > I will need to change to parallel right? Do all the cables have
to
> > > be identical length in that case? Even to the Lynx? Is there
> > > a length that is too long for the signal? My run to the control
room
> > > could be as long as 25-30' although I don't see that being
necessary
> > > at this time.
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > PS I didn't hear a great difference in playback but expect to
> > hear more
> > > when WC is used for tracking also. I'll keep listening for the
> > detail.
> > >
> > > "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com <mailto:askme@nospam.com>
> > <mailto:askme@nospam.com>> wrote in
> > > message news:4457830c$1@linux...
> > > Cool! glad to be of help!
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > David.
> > >
> > > Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > > > David,
> > > > I am totally functional now using the Lucid.
> > > > The clincher must have been the wiring in series.
> > > > I did have to start at 48k to get all my EDS cards
functioning
> > > > though. The B card didn't like starting at 44.1 and
wouldn't
> > > > give any output until Paris first booted at 48k. Because
> > of this
> > > > I think I have to use a default project to get going. I
> > wouldn't
> > > > want or even be able to save a new Paris.exe right?
> > > >
> > > > I did lose the EDSTransfer line as well as UseHouseSync=1.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks David and Deej for the tips that got me to this
point!
> > > > You guys are the greatest.
> > > > Tic Toc,
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >That's a good one. LOL!
"DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>I like everything about it except that it is native and subject to all of
the pitfalls of native systems when put under extreme duress. I built a PC
over the Xmas holidays with an XP 4200 dualcore CPU thinking this would give
me enough horsepower to negate buffer issues. Not a chance. Load this thing
up with VSTi's and plugins at low-to moderate track counts and the buffers
still need to be set higher than I'd like. My goal was to be able to keep
latency at 1.5ms. I'll likely be relegating this DAW to other duties and
building a dual/dualcore Opteron system if my needs begin to justify it.
Check out the Opteron systems that are mentioned on the Nuendo forum. Those
monsters are the minimum spec for achieving performance on par with a Paris
system at 1.5ms latencies.
Deej
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4457bc89$1@linux...
>
> Guys, along with my consideration of Logic 7.1 (Mac), I am also
considering
> the possibility of migrating to Cubase and staying on the PC side.
>
> I'd appreciated any input from Cubase users on what you like/dislike about
> the app.
>
> Thanks!This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Ok, now we measure the speaker on the desk. Remember, there is
rubber feet, then concrete, then a MoPad between the speaker and
the desk top, AND we picked up the speaker at one point,
completely decoupling it from the desk, with the same results.
This is not a subtle difference. You can clearly see the low-mid
boost from the baffle-extension that the desk top represents. It is
up to a 9-10db boost...
This is simply not acceptable for any critical
mixing environment, and certainly explains some of the struggles
I have been having with the mix on this project.
(The sub, btw, is nearly impossible to get flat because of all the
chambers and loading that the desk introduces to the listening
environment)
The bad news is that for people who still use large mixers, there is
little you can do about this except EQ, which is far from a perfect
solution. The good news is that for those who mix in the box, there
is simply no need for all this furniture. All you need is a computer
monitor(s) your C16's and a KB/Mouse between you and your
monitor system. A minimalist solution, holding *only* those items
and putting the racks somewhere else, will bring a dramatic
improvement in monitoring accuracy and the
quality/translate-ability of your mixes.
I am going to chat up some of the furniture people and see if such a
thing could be designed. It should be cheap to do, and I will also
look into having absorbtive materials on the bottom of the units
as well.
This has been interesting! Anybody want to buy a KK Audio desk
and 2 racks for cheap?
DC
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