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compensate for the cards latency difference too !!
So now you can record across two submixes your drumtracks !!
Youcan now use digital input along analog inputs for phase related audio
stuff...
I hope that I convinced a couple to stay longer with Paris because I hate
seeing every day someone selling his entire Paris rig...
Grab one two or three Pulsar cards , man they are cheap used !, remember
what you paid for Paris back then,
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and intergrate them with Paris and adat
and spdif and analog , whtever !!
You will have a very uptodate sound and plugz to work.
Did I mention that creamware have some fanatstic emulation of guita amplifiers
!!??
Yes marshall, fender ,mesaboogie, vox, the best emulators so far !
I even have managed to make some extra plugins from these as separate marshall
speakers ,vox speakers, mesa speakers, to be used alone without their preamps.
So you can record straight ahead from a guitar amp head and then just use
this speakers...
REALTIME guitar playing ,no latency, remember 19 samples !!
1 ms is 44.1 samples at 44.1 khz.
Thats for now.
Enjoy...
Regards,
DimitriosHey Sara,
I've been out of the live world for some time, but I'd agree with some of
the comments thus far: I stay away from all in one solutions -as note
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on on the radio and hears a
> John Coltrane tune. That night he tries out some of the rhythms he heard.
> His uncle takes him aside at the break and says, "Please, Stephy, we
> Greeks are a simple people. We don't understand this fancy American music.
> Just keep the back beat on the 9 and the 13."
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Me either, but since I understand why you had no choice other than to
>> arrange the song in 7/4, perhaps we are derived from similar galactic
>> microbial debris, which drifted to different planets on similar orbital
>> paths around different suns.
>> ;o)
>> .
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com <mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>>
>> wrote in message news:4621bd7f$2@linux...
>> We may be from the same planet . . . I'm not sure.
>> S
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au
>> <mailto:

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>> www.lendanear-sound.com <http://www.lendanear-sound.com>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude
>> <mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude&
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t;>> had a snapshot feature of all settings, fx, etc.
>>> Thanks,
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"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:46227540@linux...
Here's your best kind of Paris track sheet, and it's totally free and =
you already have the means on any stock windows install.... Do a windows =
screen shot.=20

1.. High light the window you want to capture the visual settings =
from=20
2.. press the Alt+Print Screen keys at the same time. This captures =
the screen item.=20
3.. press the windows+r keys at the same time, opening the run box.=20
4.. type mspaint=20
5.. when paint opens press the Control+v keys. This pastes your =
screen.=20
6.. Do this for any window you've captured: save as whatever you =
want (bmp, jpg, gif) from Paint. Name as you want.=20
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>> You on a windows machine Edna?
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>> AA
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>> "Edna" <edna&
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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C77F65.E334A0D0--HI Brandon,
Cubase 4does not have direct x plug in support. 99.9% of all plug ins
that are still being supported and developed are going to be in the VST
form.
Check to see the plug in you are using comes in a VST version.


Chris


Brandon wrote:
> Ok... I have discovered the CueMix softwarethat comes with MOTU 8 Pre. This
> software can act as a direct monitoring board that I can easily lower the
> stereo output mix from cubase and boost the volume on material bei
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ng recorded.
> Easy, simple and effective.
> BUT that still doesnt fix the issue I am having within Cubase.
> I still can not get it working with DX plugs.
> I should be able to insert a DX plug into the channel I am recording to and
> hear realtime effect correct.
> I remember doing this inside of PARIS.
> I tried letting the play button run and still nothing.
> Even during recording nothing.
> During playback of a recorded track it works fine.
> I swear I used to use Amplitube in realtime monitoring in PARIS.
> I can't get it to work in Cubase.
> I tried wrapping it with FX DX wrapper that we use in PARIS..you know the
> one.
> Still nothing.
> Is there a setting or something?
> Is there another place I should insert the plug instead of the channel insert?
> Ughh..
> thx
> B
>

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p and it first say's
not enough memory (which I have plenty of) then when I try to go further
it crashes. I've reinstalled Paris, adjusted the memory allocation, kicked
and screamed and yet nothing.

Maybe this is a sign I need to join the dark side and get Cubase. But, reading
Doug's posts kind of scare me, so, I'm holding off as long as I can.

michael

"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Hey guys,
>
>can anyone remind me what error 12 is again. I remember reading about it,
>but don't remember.
>I'm working on this song and it keeps crashing. Luckily I've had a couple
>copies saved so it's ok, but it's getting worse.
>
>It won't let me loop and I have to keep dumping the undo cache, which I've
>never had to do before. I'm on a Mac, but don't really think it's an issue
>there.
>Also, it does tell me I need to "allocate more memory" sometimes, but if
>I set my paris config too high, Paris won't open.The minimum Paris is using
>is 34000, so I set the highest number to 54000.
>My Paris config is:
>96
>24
>4096
>
>If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate it.
>michaelDimitrios,

Did you get my response earlier about Paris and ADAT cards? See my post
earlier and check if it makes sense...

Sandy

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:46226bc4$1@linux...
>
> First of all I have got a new Paris look using the best on my oppinion
> Paris
> panels which make Paris look like Logic or Seqoja.
> It is black oriented with nice coloured buttons.
> Paris no longer limits the DX total plugin numbers to 64 because now you
> can use a VST chainer like effectchainer (free) which loads inside dx so
> Paris sees only vst which has NOT the 64 upper limit.
> DISABLE DX support and Paris will not crash as it did last year...
> I am happy with how stable Paris is.
> I change plugins while paris is in play mode open their interfaces make my
> changes dismiss one load another ,while Paris is still in play mode with
> no crash...
> Put the Paris folder in your c: root and things will go even smoother.
> Paris has no latency compensation .
> Your rig might have a ccouple of digital devices along with analog Paris
> inputs.
> If you have a drummer recording and you use not only the analog inputs but
> also spdif and adat for that matter you might come to latency diffrences.
> You can calculate the latency that a specific ad converter gives as
> opposed
> to paria nalog in by just recording the same soun
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d at the same time from
> these both inputs (Paris analog in and spdif /or adat) . Use a latency
> plugin
> like the free samplelatency or use vertex and just delay the Paris
> "analog"
> input signal by some samples until the cancel with one phase reversed.
> make your notes as to know which are the perceived latencies for all your
> gear.
> Then BUY vertex dsp plugin !
> Thus you will be able to put the exact latency each track has and allign
> all your drumtracks and not only...
> If you put a eds compressor with lookahead , see at the latency table and
> put on vertex that amount of latency.
> ALLIGN all your tracks.
> Analog sounds much better because it does not have samples latencies !!
> Now you can group along submixes in Paris up to 32 groups with vertex
> again.
> You can solo all your guitars which are spread along 2-3-4 and maybe more
> submixes.
> You can mute them too.
> You can solo only the back vocals and the main vocal...
> There is creamware pulsar cards that have many many adat ins and outs plus
> super plugins close to uad quality (including mine !!).
> You can have many adat cards in Paris and EXTEND your Paris rig with these
> pulsar cards (on another computer) by inserting via adat great plugins or
> mixing all your backing vocals (maybe 16 tracks here ?) to t
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wo inside
> pulsar
> environement and sent it back to teo Paris tracks either live ot recrding
> it.
> The latency involved is only 19 samples !!
> Yes 19 samples.
> If you use special plugins like SPL transient designer inside pulsar then
> you go up in latency BUT lower than 80 samples with some good plugins one
> after the other.
> USE vertex again for that OR put a latency delay inside pulsar to make a
> 80 samples latent track and just move ahead Paris track one nudge !
> I am in love with Paris and Creamware.
> I have great plugins there like vintage compressors fantastic sounding
> reverbs
> even 4080 DX reverb is made for Pulsar too !
> Eq's that cover every taste great and FREE ones published every day at
> www.planetz.com/forums
> Today they had a killer tubestrip !!
> I have 4 adat cards.
> That means 32 (well 28 cause of an adat -Paris bug) insert loops.
> Thats more than enouph for a dense mix.
> You can of course use along paris eds effects and dx (as vst remember !)
> plugins.
> You can do whatever and Paris will sound killer better than any cubase mix
> I heard !
> Sorry DJ !
> If anyone want my Paris exe file which has this great look (black
> wonderful)
> I can send it via personal email.
> Just let me know you have a Paris 3 license because I always use the
> antipace
> exe because I do not want any challenge codes troubles anymore !!
> Although I have bought Paris 3 I may be feel ilegal but what the heck w
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e
> deserve that right ?
> We all have cried out for a latency compensation, we have that, better
> grouping,
> we have that, more stable under XP, we sure have that, better looks ?, we
> have that too, more plugins of uad1 quality but not that much of latency
> (remember 16384 samples !!!) now with creamware cards less than 80 samples
> normally at 19 samples !!
> Even withn that latency vertex can compensate.
> VERTEX can compensate for the cards latency difference too !!
> So now you can record across two submixes your drumtracks !!
> Youcan now use digital input along analog inputs for phase related audio
> stuff...
> I hope that I convinced a couple to stay longer with Paris because I hate
> seeing every day someone selling his entire Paris rig...
> Grab one two or three Pulsar cards , man they are cheap used !, remember
> what you paid for Paris back then, and intergrate them with Paris and adat
> and spdif and analog , whtever !!
> You will have a very uptodate sound and plugz to work.
> Did I mention that creamware have some fanatstic emulation of guita
> amplifiers
> !!??
> Yes marshall, fender ,mesaboogie, vox, the best emulators so far !
> I even have managed to make some extra plugins from these as separate
> marshall
> speakers ,vox speakers, mesa speakers, to be used alone without their
> preamps.
> So you can record straight ahead from a guitar amp head and then just use
> this speakers...
> REALTIME guitar playing ,no latency, remember 19 samples !!
> 1 ms is 44.1 samples at 44.1 khz.
> Thats for now.
> Enjoy...
> Regards,
> DimitriosI'm doing my taxes and I have just one thing to say:

WHO THE F**K THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?

If I worked for a year I don't think I could create such a ridiculously
complicated rat's nest of complexity. In fact I seriously don't think
any sane person person could create it.

If you are an American please, please look up the Fair Tax
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageSer
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ver. Anyone, Democrat or Republican,
would benefit. No one takes an unfair hit. And we all would enjoy the
prosperity it would promote to the American people. It is the sanest
solution to this wasteful, ludicrous, special interest benefiting code
of laws we currently have.

No matter what you may have heard about it, please study it for yourself
and see if it makes sense.

Honestly, we need a new solution. NOW! Support The Fair Tax!By accident, you found the point just before you got
optical-rectalitis. One of the most advanced skills you can get
as an audio guy is knowing exactly where that point is.

DC


"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I mixed a project last year. I was in a hurry. I felt like I could have
done
>a much better job given more time. Since that time I've always had a
>hankerin' to remix it. I just pulled up a couple of the songs and they
>absolutely kick ass. I wouldn't do it any differently at all.
>
>;oP
>
>Bill -

This year's taxes were especially painful for me - not so much for the
money I had to pay, but for the brain-twisting I had to go thru to
fill out the forms. These days, I don't even mess with hardcopies, but
go straight to online tax prep services. I did our family taxes at
TaxEngine.com, and that seemed to do fine for our Fed and State
returns, especially the quick filing and refunds. However, I also had
to file for my 10-year-old's stock investments. In the end, I had to
do those at TurboTax.com cause the other site couldn't seem to handle
the fact that a 10-year-old who made $4,000 in investments should have
to pay $12,000 in taxes!

All this work definitely causes reflection on our system, and I think
it comes down to this - if we simplified that tax system, millions of
us would benefit from simplicity, but a large chunk of the accounting
profession would be out of work. And we know who pays when a major
employment sector is suddenly unemployed.

And so it goes (rip K.V.)...

- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:14:40 -0400, Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com>
wrote:

>I'm doing my taxes and I have just one thing to say:
>
>WHO THE F**K THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?
>
>If I worked for a year I don't think I could create such a ridiculously
>complicated rat's nest of complexity. In fact I seriously don't think
>any sane person person could create it.
>
>If you are an American please, please look up the Fair Tax
>http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer. Anyone, Democrat or Republican,
>would benefit. No one takes an unfair hit. And we all would enjoy the
>prosperity it would promote to the American people. It is the sanest
>solution to this wasteful, ludicrous, special interest benefiting code
>of laws we currently have.
>
>No matter what you may have heard about it, please study it for yourself
>and see if it makes sense.
>
>Honestly, we need a new solution. NOW! Support The Fair Tax!HI Brandon,
Well if your using Cubase 3 then yes you can use a dx plug in on the
live input but it will have a higher latency than VST plug ins and also
lacks automation. If you are trying to use a software effect on a live
input then you will be at the mercy of the ASIO buffer that your
computer can deal with. Th
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e lower the buffer the lower the monitoring
latency.I'm sure what machine you have but you should normally be able
to operate under 6ms of latency on any current computer hardware. If you
are the newer Intel Core2Duo or Quad cores you should easily be able to
keep most projects running a 1.5ms or possibly lower depending on what
you audio hardware supports. The cue mix control is a similar to RME's
Total Mix in that it acts like a hardware monitor mixer/router. It is
zero latency no matter what your software ASIO buffers are set at.


Not sure what problem you having with using DX effects. Are you trying
to monitor a live input using the effect?

If so then you must disable "direct monitoring" in Cubase's device
setup/VST Multi track settings. If you have it enabled then it will not
let you monitor software effects on a live input.
Direct Monitoring was originally designed back when machines were allot
slower and it was next to impossible to monitor the incoming signal in
real time. Direct monitoring basically routes the hardware input
directly the hardware output hence the disabling of the software effects
monitoring.

By DSP effects I assume you mean stuff like UAD and TC power core cards?
If so then yes you can. But you can also do this with all native VST
plug ins. The only time this will not work well is if you are using plug
ins that have a large internal buffer like some FIR based and look ahead
based dynamics processors. But sense those are mostly used with
mastering plug ins it's no big deal.

I use pretty much nothing but software effects on live inputs at this point.

Chris






Brandon wrote:
> So you are saying it os not possible in Cubase SX3 to have realtime effects
> monitoring????
> Thats INSANE!!
> It isnt really neccessary, but it sure is fun.
> I take it that this was replaced by dsp effects right?
> You can can still do this with DSP effects?
>
> Hmm.
> Oh Well.
> thx
> b
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> HI Brandon,
>> Cubase 4does not have direct x plug in support. 99.9% of all plug ins
>> that are still being supported and developed are going to be in the VST
>>
>
>
>> form.
>> Check to see the plug in you are using comes in a VST version.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Brandon wrote:
>>
>>> Ok... I have discovered the CueMix softwarethat comes with MOTU 8 Pre.
>>>
> This
>
>>> software can act as a direct monitoring board that I can easily lower
>>>
> the
>
>>> stereo output mix from cubase and boost the volume on material being recorded.
>>> Easy, simple and effective.
>>> BUT that still doesnt fix the issue I am having within Cubase.
>>> I still can not get it working with DX plugs.
>>> I should be able to insert a DX plug into the channel I am recording to
>>>
> and
>
>>> hear realtime effect correct.
>>> I remember doing this inside of PARIS.
>>> I tried letting the play button run and still nothing.
>>> Even during recording nothing.
>>> During playback of a recorded track it w
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orks fine.
>>> I swear I used to use Amplitube in realtime monitoring in PARIS.
>>> I can't get it to work in Cubase.
>>> I tried wrapping it with FX DX wrapper that we use in PARIS..you know
>>>
> the
>
>>> one.
>>> Still nothing.
>>> Is there a setting or something?
>>> Is there another place I should insert the plug instead of the channel
>>>
> insert?
>
>>> Ughh..
>>> thx
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>

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(859) 635-5762Hey Dimitrios
I've been considering getting Vertex, but I'm alittle concerned about the
CPU hit. If I've got it running as a plug on 16 channels, it seems that it
would suck up a good deal of processing power. I'm currently running Paris
2.0 on 98SE and an Athlon XP 2200. Of course the benefits of Vertex are
worth a solid hit, but I do need some native processing power left over.
Any thoughts?
Thanks for your ongoing enthusiasm for Paris!!
MR

"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:46226bc4$1@linux...
>
> First of all I have got a new Paris look using the best on my oppinion
Paris
> panels which make Paris look like Logic or Seqoja.
> It is black oriented with nice coloured buttons.
> Paris no longer limits the DX total plugin numbers to 64 because now you
> can use a VST chainer like effectchainer (free) which loads inside dx so
> Paris sees only vst which has NOT the 64 upper limit.
> DISABLE DX support and Paris will not crash as it did last year...
> I am happy with how stable Paris is.
> I change plugins while paris is in play mode open their interfaces make my
> changes dismiss one load another ,while Paris is still in play mode with
> no crash...
> Put the Paris folder in your c: root and things will go even smoother.
> Paris has no latency compensation .
> Your rig might have a ccouple of digital devices along with analog Paris
> inputs.
> If you have a drummer recording and you use not only the analog inputs but
> also spdif and adat for that matter you might come to latency diffrences.
> You can calculate the latency that a specific ad converter gives as
opposed
> to paria nalog in by just recording the same sound at the same time from
> these both inputs (Paris analog in and spdif /or adat) . Use a latency
plugin
> like the free samplelatency or use vertex and just delay the Paris
"analog"
> input signal by some samples until the cancel with one phase reversed.
> make your notes as to know which are the perceived latencies for all your
> gear.
> Then BUY vertex dsp plugin !
> Thus you will be able to put the exact latency each track has and allign
> all your drumtracks and not only...
> If you put a eds compressor with lookahead , see at the latency table and
> put on vertex that amount of latency.
> ALLIGN all your tracks.
> Analog sounds much better because it does not have samples latencies !!
> Now you can group along submixes in Paris up to 32 groups with vertex
again.
> You can solo all your guitars which are spread along 2-3-4 and maybe more
> submixes.
> You can mute them
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too.
> You can solo only the back vocals and the main vocal...
> There is creamware pulsar cards that have many many adat ins and outs plus
> super plugins close to uad quality (including mine !!).
> You can have many adat cards in Paris and EXTEND your Paris rig with these
> pulsar cards (on another computer) by inserting via adat great plugins or
> mixing all your backing vocals (maybe 16 tracks here ?) to two inside
pulsar
> environement and sent it back to teo Paris tracks either live ot recrding
> it.
> The latency involved is only 19 samples !!
> Yes 19 samples.
> If you use special plugins like SPL transient designer inside pulsar then
> you go up in latency BUT lower than 80 samples with some good plugins one
> after the other.
> USE vertex again for that OR put a latency delay inside pulsar to make a
> 80 samples latent track and just move ahead Paris track one nudge !
> I am in love with Paris and Creamware.
> I have great plugins there like vintage compressors fantastic sounding
reverbs
> even 4080 DX reverb is made for Pulsar too !
> Eq's that cover every taste great and FREE ones published every day at
www.planetz.com/forums
> Today they had a killer tubestrip !!
> I have 4 adat cards.
> That means 32 (well 28 cause of an adat -Paris bug) insert loops.
> Thats more than enouph for a dense mix.
> You can of course use along paris eds effects and dx (as vst remember !)
> plugins.
> You can do whatever and Paris will sound killer better than any cubase mix
> I heard !
> Sorry DJ !
> If anyone want my Paris exe file which has this great look (black
wonderful)
> I can send it via personal email.
> Just let me know you have a Paris 3 license because I always use the
antipace
> exe because I do not want any challenge codes troubles anymore !!
> Although I have bought Paris 3 I may be feel ilegal but what the heck we
> deserve that right ?
> We all have cried out for a latency compensation, we have that, better
grouping,
> we have that, more stable under XP, we sure have that, better looks ?, we
> have that too, more plugins of uad1 quality but not that much of latency
> (remember 16384 samples !!!) now with creamware cards less than 80 samples
> normally at 19 samples !!
> Even withn that latency vertex can compensate.
> VERTEX can compensate for the cards latency difference too !!
> So now you can record across two submixes your drumtracks !!
> Youcan now use digital input along analog inputs for phase related audio
> stuff...
> I hope that I convinced a couple to stay longer with Paris because I hate
> seeing every day someone selling his entire Paris rig...
> Grab one two or three Pulsar cards , man they are cheap used !, remember
> what you paid for Paris back then, and intergrate them with Paris and adat
> and spdif and analog , whtever !!
> You will have a very uptodate sound and plugz to work.
> Did I mention that creamware have some fanatstic emulation of guita
amplifiers
> !!??
> Yes marshall, fender ,mesaboogie, vox, the best emulators so far !
> I even have managed to make some extra plugins from these as separate
marshall
> speakers ,vox speakers, mesa speakers, to be used alone without their
preamps.
> So you can record straight ahead from a guitar amp head and then just use
> this speakers...
> REALTIME guitar playing ,no latency, remember 19 samples !!
> 1 ms is 44.1 samples at 44.1 khz.
> Thats for now.
> Enjoy...
> Regards,
> DimitriosI just read this and it made me think about the industry and who buys what,
and what the future might hold.

So what do you people think???

http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/rUnJmz9vjqgbZu/In-a-World- of-iPods-Will-the-CD-Go-the-Way-of-Vinyl.xhtml

LouUbuntu if it's your first try with linux. The best thing about Debian and
Ubuntu is that they use the same packaging system, apt. Debian is one of
the most 'pure' linux distros, we're hardcore about n
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s pretty good with hardware
recognition these days as well. And supposedly rpm doesn't suck quite as
much as it used to.

TCB

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I've got an old Panasonic Toughbook and I'm thinking of loading it with
Linux
>to make it my future workhorse. It's a little slow for XP, and only has
128MB
>of ram and a 300MZ (I think?) processor. I'm hoping a Linux install might
>allow state of the art functionality without hogging resources. I could
upgrade
>to 256MB of ram if required, but that's the max the machine will take.
>
>Anybody have a recommendation as to a good Linux distro to use? I've heard
>a lot of talk about both Debian and Unbuntu. Anybody know which of these
>might be most likely to be my friend?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.Thanks for that.

I've already downloaded Ubuntu so I may give it a shot. I'm not a total newb,
however I do tend to simply google every time I need to actually do anything
on Linux more than edit a text file. ;o) Ubuntu sounds like the ticket.

Cheers,
Kim.

"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Ubuntu if it's your first try with linux. The best thing about Debian and
>Ubuntu is that they use the same packaging system, apt. Debian is one of
>the most 'pure' linux distros, we're hardcore about non free libraries and
>such, but with Ubuntu you get the ease and quality of apt without the sometimes
>tricky setup issues with Debian.
>
>Also, the Ubuntu forums are very newb friendly, while the Debian community
>can be a bit cranky. It's mostly bitter old geeks like me and we expect
you
>to RFTM.
>
>I'm not a Red Hat type, but apparently Fedora also is pretty good with hardware
>recognition these days as well. And supposedly rpm doesn't suck quite as
>much as it used to.
>
>TCB
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I've got an old Panasonic Toughbook and I'm thinking of loading it with
>Linux
>>to make it my future workhorse. It's a little slow for XP, and only has
>128MB
>>of ram and a 300MZ (I think?) processor. I'm hoping a Linux install might
>>allow state of the art functionality without hogging resources. I could
>upgrade
>>to 256MB of ram if required, but that's the max the machine will take.
>>
>>Anybody have a recommendation as to a good Linux distro to use? I've heard
>>a lot of talk about both Debian and Unbuntu. Anybody know which of these
>>might be most likely to be my friend?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>Ahhh Haaa... That sounds like it Chris.
I am pretty sure that Direct Monitoring is enabled.
I will disable it tommorow and I bet that fixes it.
I appreciate your help.
Very Much appreciated!!!
B




Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Brandon,
>Well if your using Cubase 3 then yes you can use a dx plug in on the
>live input but it will have a higher latency than VST plug ins and also

>lacks automation. If you are trying to use a software effect on a live
>input then you will be at the mercy of the ASIO buffer that your
>computer can deal with. The lower the buffer the lower the monitoring
>latency.I'm sure what machine you have but you should normally be able
>to operate under 6ms of latency on any current computer hardware. If you

>are the newer Intel Core2Duo or Quad cores you should easily be able to

>keep most projects running a 1.5ms or possibly lower depending on what
>you audio hardware supports. The cue mix control is a similar to RME's
>Total Mix in that it acts like a hardware monitor mixer/router. It is
>zero latency no matter what your software ASIO buffers are set at.
>
>
>Not sure what problem you having with using DX effects. Are you trying
>to monitor a live input using the effect?
>
>If so then you must disable "direct monitoring" in Cubase's device
>setup/VST Multi track settings. If you have it enabled then it will not

>let you monitor software effects on a live input.
>Direct Monitoring was originally designed back when machines were allot

>slower and it was next to impossible to monitor the incoming signal in
>real time. Direct monitoring basically routes the hardware input
>directly the hardware output hence the disabling of the software effects

>monitoring.
>
>By DSP effects I assume you mean stuff lik
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e UAD and TC power core cards?

>If so then yes you can. But you can also do this with all native VST
>plug ins. The only time this will not work well is if you are using plug

>ins that have a large internal buffer like some FIR based and look ahead

>based dynamics processors. But sense those are mostly used with
>mastering plug ins it's no big deal.
>
>I use pretty much nothing but software effects on live inputs at this point.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Brandon wrote:
>> So you are saying it os not possible in Cubase SX3 to have realtime effects
>> monitoring????
>> Thats INSANE!!
>> It isnt really neccessary, but it sure is fun.
>> I take it that this was replaced by dsp effects right?
>> You can can still do this with DSP effects?
>>
>> Hmm.
>> Oh Well.
>> thx
>> b
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Brandon,
>>> Cubase 4does not have direct x plug in support. 99.9% of all plug ins

>>> that are still being supported and developed are going to be in the VST
>>>
>>
>>
>>> form.
>>> Check to see the plug in you are using comes in a VST version.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok... I have discovered the CueMix softwarethat comes with MOTU 8 Pre.
>>>>
>> This
>>
>>>> software can act as a direct monitoring board that I can easily lower
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> stereo output mix from cubase and boost the volume on material being
recorded.
>>>> Easy, simple and effective.
>>>> BUT that still doesnt fix the issue I am having within Cubase.
>>>> I still can not get it working with DX plugs.
>>>> I should be able to insert a DX plug into the channel I am recording
to
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> hear realtime effect correct.
>>>> I remember doing this inside of PARIS.
>>>> I tried letting the play button run and still nothing.
>>>> Even during recording nothing.
>>>> During playback of a recorded track it works fine.
>>>> I swear I used to use Amplitube in realtime monitoring in PARIS.
>>>> I can't get it to work in Cubase.
>>>> I tried wrapping it with FX DX wrapper that we use in PARIS..you know
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> one.
>>>> Still nothing.
>>>> Is there a setting or something?
>>>> Is there another place I should insert the plug instead of the channel
>>>>
>> insert?
>>
>>>> Ughh..
>>>> thx
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762I've known about the Fair Tax concept for a couple of years now, and the
more I learn about it the more it makes sense. Something different has to
be put into action. I live in TN and we have no state income tax, but we do
pay 9.75% sales tax, and it works just fine. No reason it couldn't work on
a federal level.

ChrisIf you were closer to Colorado I'd come play violin with you!

Good luck with the PA search. If it's just for vocals you can probably
get by with that budget.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


Sarah wrote:
> OK,
>
> My talented young music slaves have convinced me we should leave the
> safety of the studio once in a while and do some "shows." (I guess they
> call 'em "shows" these days?)
>
> Aside from needing a bass player and a living violinist, we also need
> some kind of little PA system to rehearse with. Ideally, we'd like
> something that would also work for small venues, like coffee shops, record
> stores, parties, etc. The all-in-one package systems are tempting (was
> looking at a Yamaha EMX212S), but I want to make sure it sounds good and has
> feedback control in a small rehearsal space, etc. You kn
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ow.
>
> Ideally, we'd like to spend less than 6 or 7 hundred, but I'm pretty out
> of touch with the gear world, and we'll do what we need to do.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sarah
>
> www.sarahtonin.com/wayward.htm
>
>Hi,
Vertex is very light on dsp.
You can use the mono version which is even lighter.
No problem with your athlon and vertex.
I put vertex on 64 channels and I have an intel 2.6 ghz.
I am left with much power for vst...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey Dimitrios
>I've been considering getting Vertex, but I'm alittle concerned about the
>CPU hit. If I've got it running as a plug on 16 channels, it seems that
it
>would suck up a good deal of processing power. I'm currently running Paris
>2.0 on 98SE and an Athlon XP 2200. Of course the benefits of Vertex are
>worth a solid hit, but I do need some native processing power left over.
>Any thoughts?
>Thanks for your ongoing enthusiasm for Paris!!
>MR
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:46226bc4$1@linux...
>>
>> First of all I have got a new Paris look using the best on my oppinion
>Paris
>> panels which make Paris look like Logic or Seqoja.
>> It is black oriented with nice coloured buttons.
>> Paris no longer limits the DX total plugin numbers to 64 because now you
>> can use a VST chainer like effectchainer (free) which loads inside dx
so
>> Paris sees only vst which has NOT the 64 upper limit.
>> DISABLE DX support and Paris will not crash as it did last year...
>> I am happy with how stable Paris is.
>> I change plugins while paris is in play mode open their interfaces make
my
>> changes dismiss one load another ,while Paris is still in play mode with
>> no crash...
>> Put the Paris folder in your c: root and things will go even smoother.
>> Paris has no latency compensation .
>> Your rig might have a ccouple of digital devices along with analog Paris
>> inputs.
>> If you have a drummer recording and you use not only the analog inputs
but
>> also spdif and adat for that matter you might come to latency diffrences.
>> You can calculate the latency that a specific ad converter gives as
>opposed
>> to paria nalog in by just recording the same sound at the same time from
>> these both inputs (Paris analog in and spdif /or adat) . Use a latency
>plugin
>> like the free samplelatency or use vertex and just delay the Paris
>"analog"
>> input signal by some samples until the cancel with one phase reversed.
>> make your notes as to know which are the perceived latencies for all your
>> gear.
>> Then BUY vertex dsp plugin !
>> Thus you will be able to put the exact latency each track has and allign
>> all your drumtracks and not only...
>> If you put a eds compressor with lookahead , see at the latency table
and
>> put on vertex that amount of latency.
>> ALLIGN all your tracks.
>> Analog sounds much better because it does not have samples latencies !!
>> Now you can group along submixes in Paris up to 32 groups with vertex
>again.
>> You can solo all your guitars which are spread along 2-3-4 and maybe more
>> submixes.
>> You can mute them too.
>> You can solo only the back vocals and the main vocal...
>> There is creamware pulsar cards that have many many adat ins and outs
plus
>> super plugins close to uad quality (including mine !!).
>> You can have many adat cards in Paris and EXTEND your Paris rig with these
>> pulsar cards (on another computer) by inserting via adat great plugins
or
>> mixing all your backing vocals (maybe 16 tracks here ?) to two inside
>pulsar
>> environement and sent it back to teo Paris tracks either live ot recrding
>> it.
>> The latency involved is only 19 samples !!
>> Yes 19 samples.
>> If you use special plugins like SPL transient designer inside pulsar then
>> you go up in latency BUT lower than 80 samples with some good plugins
one
>> after the other.
>> USE vertex again for that OR put a latency delay inside pulsar to make
a
>> 80 samples latent track and just move ahead Paris track one nudge !
>> I am in love with Paris and Creamware.
>> I have great plugins there like vintage compressors fantastic sounding
>reverbs
>> even 4080 DX reverb is made for Pulsar too !
>> Eq's that cover every taste great and FREE ones published every day at
>www.planetz.com/forums
>> Today they had a killer tubestrip !!
>> I have 4 adat cards.
>> That means 32 (well 28 cause of an adat -Paris bug) insert loops.
>> Thats more than enouph for a dense mix.
>> You can of course use along paris eds effects and dx (as vst remember
!)
>> plugins.
>> You can do whatever and Paris will sound killer better than any cubase
mix
>> I heard !
>> Sorry DJ !
>> If anyone want my Paris exe file which has this great look (black
>wonderful)
>> I can send it via personal email.
>> Just let me know you have a Paris 3 license because I always use the
>antipace
>> exe because I do not want any challenge codes troubles anymore !!
>> Although I have bought Paris 3 I may be feel ilegal but what the heck
we
>> deserve that right ?
>> We all have cried out for a latency compensation, we have that, better
>grouping,
>> we have that, more stable under XP, we sure have that, better looks ?,
we
>> have that too, more plugins of uad1 quality but not that much of latency
>> (remembe
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>> Paris has no latency compensation .
>> Your rig might have a ccouple of digital devices along with analog Paris
>> inputs.
>> If you have a drummer recording and you use not only the analog inputs
but
>> also spdif and adat for that matter you might come to latency diffrences.
>> You can calculate the latency that a specific ad conve
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