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| Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55028] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 00:39  |
Kim
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ow.
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> It was definitely a first-strike scenario if there were no
> nukes involved... whoever would have hit first would have won.
> Conversely, if we had hit first out of Fulda, the Soviets would
> have been backed up to the Weser River; if we had hit first out
> of Braunschweig, they would have been backed up into the Elbe.
> However, everyone knows we wouldn't strike first, therefore
> probably damn near all of our ground forces would have been
> killed.
>
> You **DO** kno
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55040 is a reply to message #55031] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 04:44  |
erlilo
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the region they want to live in, I think they
>> should quit fighting & come up with a plan. HOWEVER... this is
>> essentially a 3,000 year-old family feud we're looking at over
>> there, and my point of view may be a little too simplistic to
>> deal with the situation. I am not very familiar with the
>> condition of the agricultural situation there, but I understand
>> it's not the best in the world - in that case, both sides
>> should realize that there may not be enough resources in that
>> immediate area to provide for as many peple as want to live
>> there... that's a problem, because you can't import everything
>> food-wise. Israel is our ally, and we should stand by them, but
>> I also hold the position that some kind of solution could be
>> arrived at if both sides want peace more than war. OK, now
>> this is the part where you rebut & tell me what a narrow-minded
>> American I am, and how wrong my opinion is because you're
>> Eurosuperior to me and have a much better world view because
>> you read about cowboys & rodeos in Oklahoma & the drug problems
>> in Miami in Der Spiegel & had a US soldier live next door to
>> you & he was a dick, and of course, all Americans are exactly
>> like he was.
>>
>> BTW, the I
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55042 is a reply to message #55040] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 05:20 |
Neil
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>> Neil
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>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>
>Sounds like Haas panning -- trick with doubled track, slightly delayed
>and panned the other way... Was discussed hear a few months back --
>you might try a search--
I've never heard Haas panning alone get stuff that far outside
the speakers - I still vote for something external that the guy
guy is holding out on.
Don, definitely let us know if you can psot that clip.
NeilThere... terminated!!!
Dubya Mark Wilson
"jp" <no@mail.please> wrote in message news:42d3f625@linux...
> I've been having problems clocking a few digital devices together via a
> Big
> Ben. I was still having an occasional pop when transfering over ADAT. I've
> been living with it for a few months. Well I finlay cracked the manual on
> the Big Ben. I then noticed that the front panel was showing under
> termination on everything I had connected (2 MEC, an RME digiface, an
> Eclipse, a TC m2000). So I spent 30 bucks on some t-splitters and 75ohm 1%
> terminators. The big ben is now reporting correct termination, and I have
> no problems.
>
> I had assumed that the devices themselves could terminate, but it's
> definitely not the case.
>
>
So true. It happened once - it will happen again. Bigger garden, same
problem. In a sense, the heart of the problem these threads are discussing.
Political issues are merely a subset of greater human moral dilem
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55045 is a reply to message #55042] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 06:21 |
Rod Lincoln
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getting the bomb
sooner or later, whether you want it or not),
and look again at the one guy that at the very least came
close to peace down there - ooooh it was that deescalation
dude. what a coincidence.
im not saying its the ultimate solution. i find pretending
to have absolute solutions (a very popular practice here,
or so it seems) rather silly. im trying to have a civiliced
discussion about the possible different paths to a solution,
if there is one at all. i can ackownledge and talk about
both approaches, you seem to struggle with that part
and fall back into europe-is-so-whatever rants, which,
btw, are no better than george-bush-is-pure-evil bullshit.
its kindergarden. no thanks.
>And what could you possibly dislike about the present Israeli
>leadership? Draggin settlers out by the scruff of the neck,
>responding to the worst terrorism with measured and rational
>responses, and showing great restraint.
yeah, as i said, they went back to 0, so i completely
agree with you.
> See, this is the problem
>with europe. In your arrogance, because of living in a land that
>cannot envision war,
blah...
> you assume all violence is failure
i repeatedly said the exact opposite but nevermind. rant on.
> and that
>there must be a way to negotiate and finess this stuff.
>Suppose there isn't?
i did. its why im interested in this discussion.
a childish "i know 100% percent im right" attitude
isnt exactly helping, but at least in parts your
post gets over the standard stereotype attitude. it seems to
help that i repeatedly write about the things i dont
think, even though it doesnt fit into your arrogant euro pacifist drawer:
- i acknowledge the use of force as concept to end a conflict.
it often is the most peaceful way to go.
- i acknowledge the use of force as concept to end a conflict.
it often is the most peaceful way to go.
- i acknowledge the use of force as concept to end a conflic
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55052 is a reply to message #55028] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 08:39 |
Nappy
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, read and understand almost all US press. so i can
regularly get an idea about whats going on in the US, and
germans usually are very interested in that, cause, despite
the current arguments, germany still looks up to the US.
its a bit like with an older brother you currently dont talk
much to, even though most germans probably would have a
problem in admitting that.
on the other hand, i can tell from all the BS here that most
of you people have not the slightest idea about whats
going in germany. you talk about us not criticizing
muslims and not asking anything from those countries,
yet just as we speak theres an election campaign with
a debate about how to deal with turkey, and also
how to deal with potential islamists in our country,
with our current minister of internal security and
the guy who
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55055 is a reply to message #55052] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 08:49 |
Deej [3]
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> And you cannot
>see how america might see europe as so arrogant and sefl-absorbed
>that your views are not important to us?
thats a bit besides the point because im sure that
our views are not important to you either way. i do
get an idea about how these stereotypes come up and
especially, how they nicely grow, completely undisturbed
by anything that resembles reality. you know squat about
my country, period. its ridiculous. yet you believe
you can judge my country, where i, who probably knows a
couple hundred times more about YOUR country, make it
a point to repeatedly stress how i do NOT want or feel
entitled to judge or criticize it. its quite absurd, really.
>I am not evening saying that war is the only answer, just that if
>you have an ideology that precludes it, and you see it always as a
>failure
you know what, do me a favour here: please come up with
the quote where i said that i always see it as a failure.
either that or maybe you might want to actually stop it
and apologize. its really getting boring to repeat
and
repeat and repeat and repeat it, with no effect.
i have the feeling youre not talking to me but to
some imaginary "The Europe Dude"
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55060 is a reply to message #55055] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 09:31 |
steve the artguy
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toppled him and your peace process.
youre confusing things here, its what actually got him
to participate. and boy did it help him. it turned him
from an internationally sought after outlaw into
a somewhat respected politician, probably making him
richer than he ever dreamt of in the process. you tell
me that guy wanted to go back into tunnel system terrorist
mode? never. man is too selfish and greedy for that.
>Do you really believe that hamas and hizbullah would not have
>formed if Arafat had made a deal with Rabin??
they had already formed. the difference was, arafat had them
under control and as long as he came home with results
from the peace process, he had the people in his back.
>And why are they able to do this? Is it not the actions of the
>palestinians and the arabs?
why yes of course it is (see above).
> An american
>president who did not force them to accept peace in this scenario
>would be voted out or even impeached.
this is not where the conflict lies. the conflict, unfortunately,
lies in the religious aspects. i for one am pretty sure
that there would have been some sort of agreement
down there long ago, if only all this shitty land and
these shitty cities werent as "sacred" as they supposedly are.
as i said i dont have the ultimate solution. i just dont
believe you have it either, and comparing the track
record or the different approaches down there, im inclined
to believe that the brute force method, which worked other
times, doesnt seem to work this time.
and that is an important discussion because it also
is a discussion about "how do you fight a fundamentalist
that doesnt fear death", about "is there a way to
get along with the islam", about "how do you go to
war with something as abstract as terror". yes, i do believe
this is the most important conflict to be solved and that
it could serve
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55061 is a reply to message #55060] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 09:30 |
EK Sound
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as role model for the same conflict were
having (or going to have) on a much bigger global scale.
im worried about that. no wait, im sitting on my euro
ass waiting for everything to explode first, and then
ill think about it, cause thats how we arrogant euro
assholes are? right?
....
>You criticize Bush, but he blasts Israel every single time they
>respond to terrorism as we have. What hypocrisy!
yeah, it would be if i would criticize bush for not criticizing
israel. of course i nowhere said that. again, youre kindly
invited to come up with a quote.
or wait, maybe you misunderstood this one:
> the US dont reign over israel - theyll
>>do what THEY think is best for them.
with "they" i of course mean israel. my very point was
that bush can criticize them all he wants (and he does),
but they dont respond much to that, and thats i sad irony
that so much of the arabic hatred towards israel comes
from the overestimated power the US supposedly has on
israel.
>So we eliminate leaders that sponsor terrorism, and provide hiding
>places for them, we kill them, without mercy, wherever we can find,
>them, and we spread modernity and democracy, and we stay at
>it until we win.
yes thats your approach. it sometimes worked in the
past, sometimes it didnt. just like deescalation.
theres no perfect solution that automatically is the
best solution at all times.
> I believe this is the only solution and that negotiation
>is impossible with islamofascists.
and i say youre focusing on the wrong thing, this is just not
enough. getting rid of islamofascists (or fascists of
any kind, for that matter) is one thing. brute force seems
the best way for that. trying to avoid that such fascists
gain power on a regular basis in the future is, imo, the maybe
even more important goal. diplomacy, holding oneself to
the high standards we used to at least pretend to have, that
kind of stuff seems like the more promising way to go for
that (unless you want to tell me that you believe that the
very concept of diplomacy is at fault).
the problem is that solution nr.1 is the direct opposite
of solution number nr.2. theres room for improvement here.
at least thats what i think, when i look at israel, or,
to use another example for a change, afghanistan, where
my selfish country does the dirty laundr
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55077 is a reply to message #55062] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 16:29 |
michael bliss
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ous. yet you believe
>you can judge my country, where i, who probably knows a
>couple hundred times more about YOUR country, make it
>a point to repeatedly stress how i do NOT want or feel
>entitled to judge or criticize it. its quite absurd, really.
I may know more than you think. And, my judgements may be
more of your government's positions and actions, than of your
country itself, of which I have had several good friends.
>i do care only about the lives. at several points i
>pointed out how i believe we all want the same (among
>other things i mentioned this as reason why i dont belong
>to the george-bush-is-evil-group). i do find the
>ideal way to this common goal open for debate.
>you obviously disagree on this one. its a little weird
>why you would enter a debate about it anyway then. is it
>just to spank my ideologic european ass?
No, because you want to de-escalate in the face of the ghouls
who threaten my life. I cannot trust you yet. When I feel your
strength, when I hear your determination to never, ever give in
to the head-choppers, I will trust you more.
>>Tell you what. You tell me that you would take a knife, and jam it
>
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55088 is a reply to message #55084] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 21:53 |
Deej [3]
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oard, but I
>> can't help it when we're talking about life and death. If anyone is still
>> heated... I know I've been disrespectful probably a hundred times over the
>> years... I'm sorry.
>>
>> Anyway, I thought it was a good discussion.
>>
>>W, you're the first person on any political discussion group that I know of
that has flat out dismissed the test as useless...
its all good.
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:42d7428a$1@linux...
> Not that every question can be "perfect" but if the outset of this test is
> to determine or assist in determining the political locale of an
> individual or group, "better" questions would be best whereas "imperfect"
> presumptuous ones, it could be said, are clandestine at worst,
> indiscriminate at best.
>
> Case in point, when I tested, I found myself feeling a little tweaked that
> almost every question, for me, was answered with "disagree" when, in fact,
> changing or adding or subtracting just one word from the question could
> have and would have yielded an "agree" response to an identical question.
>
> Is it therefore not implausible to think that the formulations of these
> questions intentionally poses an emotional sub-plot to cause a more
> liberal respondent to think or feel he is an agreeable person, to continue
> answering emotionally whereas, a more conservative thinker, by same
> questions, could reasonably be made to feel out of step and highly
> disagreeable with his/her repetitive "disagree" responses. An easily
> predictable downside being; the common desire to "fit in" skews the
>
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| Re: Happy Birthday Mr Simplicity!! :o) [message #55095 is a reply to message #55028] |
Thu, 30 June 2005 05:33 |
emarenot
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ur various points of view. The best we can do is try to
>>understand
>>each other and live with the fact that everyone doesn't share the same
>>view.
>>I'm confident that if we all were to meet somewhere, with no discussion of
>>our personal politics, we would get along famously. Don't get me wrong,
>>this
>>kind of discourse is good. It helps us understand each other better, if
>>even
>>just a little. My wish is that we can all have these discussions, and even
>>when they've been heated, at the end still be the great international
>>community of PARIS people. That's it, the ICPP! Well, er...maybe a
>>different
>>acronym would be better. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I
>>respect y
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