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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77273 is a reply to message #77260] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 17:13   |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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> =
>>new=20
>>PCI-Express<BR>core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance=20
>>with<BR>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all=20
>>newer<BR>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core =
>>ensures<BR>full=20
>>update capability via RME=92s Secure Flash technology,<BR>for further =
>>hardware and=20
>>driver updates.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card
> =
>>that=20
>>provides<BR>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the
> =
>>
>>Multiface,<BR>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned =
>>and=20
>>used<BR>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.<BR>If
> =
>>users=20
>>are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution<BR>combined =
>>with=20
>>ultimate compatibility, these devices are still<BR>state of the art. The
> =
>>
>>Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine<BR>some of the highest =
>>possible=20
>>audio transmission rates and low-latency<BR>features you can realize =
>>with=20
>>card-based interface techniques,<BR>faster than most serial solutions; =
>>combined=20
>>with flexible connectivity.<BR>Artists and studios all over the world =
>>rely on=20
>>these combinations.<BR>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the =
>>existing=20
>>range<BR>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is =
>>secured.<BR>As a=20
>>special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared<BR>to support the
> =
>>use of=20
>>the TCO, RME=92s Time Code Option,<BR>with Multiface/II and =
>>Digiface.<BR><BR>The=20
>>HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products<BR>as it is
> =
>>now the=20
>>interfacing flagship to the MADI world.<BR>The HDSPe MADI card offers a
> =
>>powerful=20
>>128 I/O-channel computer<BR>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel =
>>modes as=20
>>well as<BR>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64=20
>>playback<BR>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 =
>>physical=20
>>outputs.<BR>The HDSPe MADI turns every =93state of the art=94 =
>>computer<BR>into a=20
>>powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).<BR>The HDSPe MADI offers the =
>>most=20
>>powerful router/mixer<BR>implemented on a single PCI-Express card=20
>>ever.<BR>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,<BR>the new =
>>PCI-Express=20
>>version offers several advantages,<BR>like support for higher sample =
>>rates than=20
>>96 kHz,<BR>TCO support and lower latency.<BR><BR>Both cards come with =
>>drivers=20
>>for Windows XP (multi-client operation<BR>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and
> =
>>
>>brandnew Windows Vista drivers.<BR>Apple users are perfectly served with
> =
>>Power=20
>>PC and X86 (Intel)<BR>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI=20
>>support.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from =
>>March=20
>>2007.<BR>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.<BR>The =
>>pricing=20
>>will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>><BR>products.</EM></FONT></DIV>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of =
>>these, I=20
>>might.......</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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>>
>>
>Jeff, the DAW I use has 4 x MECs, 4 x ADAT modules 3 x Magmas, 2 x computers
with another 48 ADAT I/O, a WC module, A WC distributor, 2 x digital
patchbays, 4 x outboard DSP processors an ADAT>AES format converter, two
S/Pdif > AES format converters and a 240v/110v step down converter. There
are power cables for each of these and quite a few digital interconnect
cables. If just one of these goes south, it's **** city. I love it.
;o)
If these are booted in the proper sequence or
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite-DOT-com> wrote in message
news:45ab199c@linux...
> And if the power cable came loose on your all ITB 256 track with zero
> latency dream machine, you'd probably be in the same situation
>
> ;-p
>
> Hoov
>
> DJ wrote:
>> The power cable to my 7 slot Magma holding the EDS cards had wiggled
>> loose and the chassis had shut down. If even one little niggling thing
>> isn't right with this monstrosity, the whole thing will fold like a house
>> of cards.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:45aa773c@linux...
>>
>>>... and the problem was?....
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45aa7171@linux...
>>>
>>>>Woke up this morning. Discovered the problem (not cable related at all).
>>>>Fixed it. Rebooted DAW, deleted existing array (which was hosed),
>>>>created new array. Everything works again. Am currently formatting a
>>>>160G WD 8MB drive for audio.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45a9dcc4@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Well.........****!!! I was noodling around with a PCI card on the MOBO
>>>>>of my paris rig (it was turned off) and noticed that one of my SATA
>>>>>cables was a bit stressed so I unplugged it, straightened it and then
>>>>>plugged it back in.
>>>>>
>>>>>All hell has broken loose with my RAID array. I could not even run
>>>>>Ghost (BSOD related to the Promise raid driver being less-than-equal. I
>>>>>finally unplugged the SATA drives, and was able to boot into Ghost,
>>>>>restore a recent drive image, then before I rebooted, I plugged the
>>>>>SATA cables back in.
>>>>>
>>>>>I got a message that my RAID array was hosed so I deleted it and then
>>>>>rebuilt it. Everything worked and life was good for about an hour. I
>>>>>turned my machine off, then a couple of hours later, I rebooted and the
>>>>>same thing happened but now I can't get the RAID array to work at all
>>>>>and my system drive shows to be unbootable.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm wondering if this could be faulty SATA cables. Both cables I'm
>>>>>using were bent over double back before I had my EDS cards in a Magma
>>>>>because of the vicinity of the SATA port locations. Believe me, I've
>>>>>tried everything else imaginable. I've got one new SATA cable here and
>>>>>I have switched it around between the two used cables but no luck. Both
>>>>>SATA drives do appear in the RAID setup. They just can't be arrayed
>>>>>properly.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess I'll reformat my boot drive tomorrow and reload Windows ME and
>>>>>Paris. That's about all I use on this machine anyway (sigh)
>>>>>
>>>>>Luckily I have my audio files backed up because this RAID POS was my
>>>>>audio drive. Nothing lost except for a couple of .ppj's that aren't
>>>>>important. Even if it turns out to be a bad cable, I think I'll shitcan
>>>>>this RAID stuff and just get myself a nice big 7200 for audio.
>>>>>
>>>>>RAID=unnecessary PITA. IMO.
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>RME explicitly claims they can get lower latencies using cardbus v. firewire,
so I would guess the same would be true of ExpressCard. That said, the market
has to be vanishingly small for such a thing.
The real problem for me is that I already own an HDSP RPM which I plan to
us for live DJ sets, but no way to use it with my current Dell. I might have
to find someone still making laptops with cardbus cards . . .
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I hope FW doesn't kill off the Express cards. As convenient as it is, I
see
>see much less joy on the latency end of things as compared to something
that
>will fit in a mobo slot..
>
>Deej
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45ab8b06$1@linux...
>>
>> Sadly, no mention of ExpressCard. I would hope that's next.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>this just posted to the RME forum:
>>>
>>>
>>>The HDSPe PCI Card and the HDSPe MADI card are newly engineered=20
>>>PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors. Still based on RME's
>>>famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the new PCI-Express
>>>core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance with
>>>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all newer
>>>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core ensures
>>>full update capability via RME's Secure Flash technology,
>>>for further hardware and driver updates.
>>>
>>>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card that provides
>>>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the Multiface,
>>>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned and used
>>>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.
>>>If users are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution
>>>combined with ultimate compatibility, these devices are still
>>>state of the art. The Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine
>>>some of the highest possible audio transmission rates and low-latency
>>>features you can realize with card-based interface techniques,
>>>faster than most serial solutions; combined with flexible connectivity.
>>>Artists and studios all over the world rely on these combinations.
>>>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the existing range
>>>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is secured.
>>>As a special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared
>>>to support the use of the TCO, RME's Time Code Option,
>>>with Multiface/II and Digiface.
>>>
>>>The HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products
>>>as it is now the interfacing flagship to the MADI world.
>>>The HDSPe MADI card offers a powerful 128 I/O-channel computer
>>>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel modes as well as
>>>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64 playback
>>>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 physical outputs.
>>>The HDSPe MADI turns every "state of the art" computer
>>>into a powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).
>>>The HDSPe MADI offers the most powerful router/mixer
>>>implemented on a single PCI-Express card ever.
>>>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,
>>>the new PCI-Express version offers several advantages,
>>>like support for higher sample rates than 96 kHz,
>>>TCO support and lower latency.
>>>
>>>Both cards come with drivers for Windows XP (multi-client operation
>>>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and brandnew Windows Vista drivers.
>>>Apple users are perfectly served with Power PC and X86 (Intel)
>>>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI support.
>>>
>>>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from March 2007.
>>>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.
>>>The pricing will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>>>products.
>>>
>>>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of these, I might.......
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this just posted to the RME =
>>>forum:</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>The HDSPe PCI Card and the =
>>>HDSPe MADI card=20
>>>are newly engineered <BR>PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors.
=
>>>Still=20
>>>based on RME's<BR>famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the
>> =
>>>new=20
>>>PCI-Express<BR>core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance=20
>>>with<BR>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all=20
>>>newer<BR>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core =
>>>ensures<BR>full=20
>>>update capability via RME=92s Secure Flash technology,<BR>for further
=
>>>hardware and=20
>>>driver updates.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card
>> =
>>>that=20
>>>provides<BR>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the
>> =
>>>
>>>Multiface,<BR>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned
=
>>>and=20
>>>used<BR>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.<BR>If
>> =
>>>users=20
>>>are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution<BR>combined
=
>>>with=20
>>>ultimate compatibility, these devices are still<BR>state of the art. The
>> =
>>>
>>>Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine<BR>some of the highest =
>>>possible=20
>>>audio transmission rates and low-latency<BR>features you can realize =
>>>with=20
>>>card-based interface techniques,<BR>faster than most serial solutions;
=
>>>combined=20
>>>with flexible connectivity.<BR>Artists and studios all over the world
=
>>>rely on=20
>>>these combinations.<BR>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the
=
>>>existing=20
>>>range<BR>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is =
>>>secured.<BR>As a=20
>>>special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared<BR>to support the
>> =
>>>use of=20
>>>the TCO, RME=92s Time Code Option,<BR>with Multiface/II and =
>>>Digiface.<BR><BR>The=20
>>>HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products<BR>as it
is
>> =
>>>now the=20
>>>interfacing flagship to the MADI world.<BR>The HDSPe MADI card offers
a
>> =
>>>powerful=20
>>>128 I/O-channel computer<BR>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel
=
>>>modes as=20
>>>well as<BR>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64=20
>>>playback<BR>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 =
>>>physical=20
>>>outputs.<BR>The HDSPe MADI turns every =93state of the art=94 =
>>>computer<BR>into a=20
>>>powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).<BR>The HDSPe MADI offers the
=
>>>most=20
>>>powerful router/mixer<BR>implemented on a single PCI-Express card=20
>>>ever.<BR>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,<BR>the new =
>>>PCI-Express=20
>>>version offers several advantages,<BR>like support for higher sample =
>>>rates than=20
>>>96 kHz,<BR>TCO support and lower latency.<BR><BR>Both cards come with
=
>>>drivers=20
>>>for Windows XP (multi-client operation<BR>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and
>> =
>>>
>>>brandnew Windows Vista drivers.<BR>Apple users are perfectly served with
>> =
>>>Power=20
>>>PC and X86 (Intel)<BR>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI=20
>>>support.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from =
>>>March=20
>>>2007.<BR>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.<BR>The
=
>>>pricing=20
>>>will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>>><BR>products.</EM></FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of
=
>>>these, I=20
>>>might.......</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>James......
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ab4795$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>hmmmm...........can you just stop them from running in the background and
>
>>then reenable them like the Administrative Tools options in windows?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Dej
>
> The only software that runs in the back ground is DashBoard, and you can
> disable it, or completely remove it. But I don't think it's much of a hit
> on the system.
OK.that's great!!
>
> I'm still not sure why you think Mac OSX is bloated?
Because it's got so much stuff bundled with it that it totally unnecessary
for my needs.
I'm not sure why you
> think the first thing you would have to do is get under the hood and start
> ripping things out???
I just have to do this. I don't even know why anymore. ;o)
To me it would be like you getting a new 600 hp. Dodge
> Viper, and the first thing you want to do is rip out the AC system and
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77274 is a reply to message #77265] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 17:14 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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> passenger
> seat to make it faster, when all your going to do is drive it on the
> street.
But I'm not driving it on the street. My office computer is my street
machine and it's got tons of crap on it that I'd never want on a DAW.
> I would use a Mac out of the box for 6 months and worry about optimizing
> it later. However, if you want to hot rod a Mac, this is one of the
> sites.
>
> http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/
Yeah. I'm familiar with that site. I used to read Thad's articles there.
>
> Some of what you call bloat, like GarageBand you might find useful for
> song
> writing. Until you use it for a while, you won't know. Your thinking
> that
> you need a dedicated optimize audio work station, and that's Ok, but with
> a Mac you really can use it for everything without it being a problem. I
> guess it's a different line of thinking.
Definitely different and no offense, but this goes to the root of my
misgivings about Macs. There have been so many outright lies told by Apple
vis-a-vis performance that the company has no credibility (with me at
least). Plus, I don't like the little smartass on their commercials.
;o)
>
> Honestly, I think it could be a bit of a hard transition for a hard core
> PC user. I think at first, nothing will be where you want it to be. I
> think
> it would be like being dropped off in a huge city you never been in. A
> place
> where they drive on the opocit side of the street and nobody speaks your
> language. It is to some extent like a whole different world.
I know. I own a Mac now. My wife uses it. I just give it sidelong dirty
looks whenever I'm in it's presence and it's always ****'ing up.
You'd have
> the basics down in an hour or two. After a year of honest effort, you
> will
> either hate it, or be totally hook. Either way, you'll truly know if a
> Mac
> is for you.
>
> I'm not telling you to get a Mac, I think if you do, you will miss all
> your
> PC tinkering. Then again, I know you'll find away.
>
> James
Yes, it would definitely get *personalized* before too long.
;o)Links saved!!! Thanks. I'm gonna go down to our local Mac store and have
some fun with their demo machines. gotta try this stuff.
;oD
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ab4b69$1@linux...
>
> Well, here's more.
>
> http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/mac031004.html
>
> http://guides.macrumors.com/Uninstalling_Applications_in_Mac _OS_X
>
> uninstaller software:
>
> http://mac.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Uninstaller.sh tml
>
> http://www.allume.com/mac/springcleaning/updates.html
>
> http://www.appzapper.com/
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>So how do I get rid of 90% of the bloat that is advertized as being
>>loaded
>
>>on the Mac? Is that as simple as everything else it does?
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45aacb64$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Heh. True, and good thing too. Don't forget to keep track of your costs
>>>
>>>>in all this, so next time we discuss which platform is actually
>>>>"cheaper" we remember to take into account all these systems you keep
>>>>building. :^)
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> Soon it will be Vista surgery time, ouch! ; )
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>>
>>> ...and it goes on, and on!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's
>
>>>>> going
>>> to
>>>>> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with it
>
>>>>> though.
>>>
>>>>> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest
>>>>> mobo's
>>> I've
>>>>> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI
>>>>> slots,
>>> but,
>>>>> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's
>>>>> teeth.
>>> Of
>>>>> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get to
>
>>>>> rejoice
>>>
>>>>> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45aa8362@linux...
>>>>>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>>>
>>>>>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die.
>>> ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I
>
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>
>>>>>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :O)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now
> that
>>>>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to
>
>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look
>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different
>>>>>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user
>>>>>>>>> experiences.
>>> How
>>>>>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^)
>>>>>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you
>>>>>>>> seemed
>>> to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always
> best
>>> to
>>>>>>>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed.
>>>>>>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much
>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real
>>>>>>>>> difference...
>>>>>>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole
>>>>>>>> mountain,
>>>
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> just the groomed runs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting edge
>>>
>>>>>>>> phone,
>>>>>>>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and
>>>>>>>> orientation
>>>>>>>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down,
>>> I
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using
>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> tech.
>>>>>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors,
>>>>>>>>>>> onboard
>>>>>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do
> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are
>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the
> new
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or
>>>>>>>>>> TigerDirect
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors
>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much
> for
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> math -
>>>>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in
> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions -
>
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with
>
>>>>>>>>>> Moto
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is they
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was
> a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch them
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> go for
>>>>>>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu
> is
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> selling
>>>>>>>>>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could
>>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> drop most
>>>>>>>>>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in
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> Jeff, the DAW I use has 4 x MECs, 4 x ADAT modules 3 x Magmas, 2 x
> computers with another 48 ADAT I/O, a WC module, A WC distributor, 2 x
> digital patchbays, 4 x outboard DSP processors an ADAT>AES format
> converter, two S/Pdif > AES format converters and a 240v/110v step down
> converter. There are power cables for each of these and quite a few
> digital interconnect cables. If just one of these goes south, it's ****
> city. I love it.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> If these are booted in the proper sequence or
> "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite-DOT-com> wrote in message
> news:45ab199c@linux...
>> And if the power cable came loose on your all ITB 256 track with zero
>> latency dream machine, you'd probably be in the same situation
>>
>> ;-p
>>
>> Hoov
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> The power cable to my 7 slot Magma holding the EDS cards had wiggled
>>> loose and the chassis had shut down. If even one little niggling thing
>>> isn't right with this monstrosity, the whole thing will fold like a
>>> house of cards.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> news:45aa773c@linux...
>>>
>>>>... and the problem was?....
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45aa7171@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Woke up this morning. Discovered the problem (not cable related at
>>>>>all). Fixed it. Rebooted DAW, deleted existing array (which was hosed),
>>>>>created new array. Everything works again. Am currently formatting a
>>>>>160G WD 8MB drive for audio.
>>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45a9dcc4@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well.........****!!! I was noodling around with a PCI card on the MOBO
>>>>>>of my paris rig (it was turned off) and noticed that one of my SATA
>>>>>>cables was a bit stressed so I unplugged it, straightened it and then
>>>>>>plugged it back in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All hell has broken loose with my RAID array. I could not even run
>>>>>>Ghost (BSOD related to the Promise raid driver being less-than-equal.
>>>>>>I finally unplugged the SATA drives, and was able to boot into Ghost,
>>>>>>restore a recent drive image, then before I rebooted, I plugged the
>>>>>>SATA cables back in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I got a message that my RAID array was hosed so I deleted it and then
>>>>>>rebuilt it. Everything worked and life was good for about an hour. I
>>>>>>turned my machine off, then a couple of hours later, I rebooted and
>>>>>>the same thing happened but now I can't get the RAID array to work at
>>>>>>all and my system drive shows to be unbootable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm wondering if this could be faulty SATA cables. Both cables I'm
>>>>>>using were bent over double back before I had my EDS cards in a Magma
>>>>>>because of the vicinity of the SATA port locations. Believe me, I've
>>>>>>tried everything else imaginable. I've got one new SATA cable here and
>>>>>>I have switched it around between the two used cables but no luck.
>>>>>>Both SATA drives do appear in the RAID setup. They just can't be
>>>>>>arrayed properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Guess I'll reformat my boot drive tomorrow and reload Windows ME and
>>>>>>Paris. That's about all I use on this machine anyway (sigh)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Luckily I have my audio files backed up because this RAID POS was my
>>>>>>audio drive. Nothing lost except for a couple of .ppj's that aren't
>>>>>>important. Even if it turns out to be a bad cable, I think I'll
>>>>>>shitcan this RAID stuff and just get myself a nice big 7200 for audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RAID=unnecessary PITA. IMO.
>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>Understood!
I'm not as computer savvy as most here which factors into my decision to
go with a Mac. I agree,preferance is everything.
PS how are the kids? You do have 2 if I recall?
I remember when your first was born.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hey Nappy - first I'm just posting as a friendly comparison of perspectives,
>not a one is "better" than the other debate, just to be sure you don't
>misunderstand my intent, or think that I'm trying to degrade the value of
a
>Mac - great systems and nice design on a lot of levels. :-)
>
>The only software I saw in the Apple store config was optional - iLife,
etc,
>and not included in the $2499. (Bluetooth, etc. also additional). Doesn't
>really leave much, if anything different from what comes with Windows XP.
>Sure, iPhoto, iMovie are nicer than Windows, but I don't use those at all
as
>they are really just home user apps anyway.
>
>Software advantage depends on what you need it for - for Logic, there's
no
>other choice. If it's for home use, or even just buying off the shelf,
then
>preference really has everything to do with it.
>
>I agree on PCI slots, hardware, etc. that's my big reason for staying with
>PCs, that and they are just easier to use as sample library farms (and
>multiple PCs also certainly work fine with a Mac/Logic as the main
>sequencer/host).
>
>Actually for the $90 saved, I would also be getting higher quality RAM (at
>least based on what past models have used), possibly a better hard drive,
>more PCI slots, and more options on the motherboard out of the box, but
>yeah, it's only really relevant for guys like me that try to get the most
>out of it for a specific purpose. And yes it is in a pro use where the
>extra 5-10% can make a difference - even spending an extra $90 or so I could
>get 2G which is a minimum for what I do - to add an extra 1G it's an extra
>$299 (assuming the buyer would want to go DIY to save $200).
>
>Of course that doesn't make the Mac any less of a pro solution - it's a
>great solution.
>
>It's preference - that's all I'm saying. There aren't stark contrasts that
>often seem to be purported in these threads. For most people it's shades
of
>silicon and grey; but for some users, those shades are much more than a
$90
>difference or a half day spent building a system.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 1/14/07 9:57 PM, in article 45aafba9$1@linux, "Nappy"
><mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dedric,
>> If you add all the software that comes with it and the elegant design
plus
>> the fact that you can run both OSX and XP and you don't have to build
it
>> makes
>> up for the 90 plus dollars you save. I'm just saying it makes sense for
a
>> Pro to buy.
>> You can do what you want,but you can't deny that its a good value. I'm
not
>> a die
>> hard Mac person,in fact I'm going to build a PC to run PARIS on,it makes
>> more sense.
>> PC motherboards still offer PCI slots,and buying an old Mac that boots
to
>> OS9 is a step backwards. All I'm saying is don't let your feelings about
>> Steve Jobs stop you from making a move to a Mac if it gives you more options.
>> Lets face it,Thad and James represent two extremes of opinions,I'm talking
>> about options as far as
>> software goes,yes hardware wise PC's have more options,but as was already
>> stated
>> they both have the same or some of the same hardware so I give the Mac
the
>> advantage to Mac for software options. Thats My point.
>>
>> Is saving 90 plus dollars worth it?
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>> PS please respond
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> On 1/14/07 8:48 PM, in article 45aaeb8d$1@linux, "Nappy"
>>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel
core
>>>> Xeon
>>>> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris
Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Nappy -
>>>
>>> From Newegg.com,
>>> dual 2.66 Xeon
>>> Gigabyte server motherboard,
>>> 1G Corsair DDR2 Ram (2x512),
>>> 250G Western Digital SATA 3G drive
>>> NVidia GeForce 7300 256M card
>>> Sony DVD/CD combo drive (+/- DVDR), 16x
>>> Antec power supply
>>> Coolermaster case
>>> Windows XP Pro SP2 with free upgrade to Vista:
>>>
>>> $2356 shipped.
>>>
>>> Not sure what motherboard or drives Apple uses - I think our last Mac
>>> used Samsung. Memory and DVD/CD drive - also not sure. So I may have
spent
>>> more than necessary on this example. Apple also probably gets a bulk
rate
>>> on cpus so that can save a little over paying $700 each as an individual
>>> buyer.
>>>
>>> fwiw....
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel core
>Xeon
>prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris Ludwig
>
>if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper.
That has zero to do with what I posted originally. My point was that I have
heard for YEARS that Apple somehow uses these super high grade components
that make their hardware more expensive. I haven't had to set up a Mac in
a few years, and of course the PowerPC versions were comparatively opaque
unless I would go to the trouble of putting Yellow Dog on them. Which I didn't.
But, because a co-workers' kid wanted to play a Windows game on his Macbook
I had a chance to look at what kind of hardware is in a $1400 Apple laptop.
The answer is pretty much the same stuff that's in a $750 Dell laptop, give
or take a copy of iLife and a web cam on the Mac and a bigger screen on the
Dell.
There are plenty of arguments for owning a Mac, the biggest one being personal
preference. I was only seeking to put another of them to bed, that they use
bending end components that put their hardware in another class than what
I use. Quite simply, they don't, and the move to generic Intel hardware makes
that quite clear.
TCB
I like Macs because
>like it
>or not they have software that I use that only runs on a Mac and I can run
>any
>software that runs on XP on it as well and from were i sit thats makes good
>sense to me. Now if they come out with a PC version of Aperture and Logic
>then I'll get
>a PC. Sure I'd like to run OSX on a PC,but hating Steve Jobs is not going
>to stop me
>from using the software I want. Remember the old saying,"Find the software
>you want to use and pick the platform that supports it" The Mac supports
>both
>platforms.
>
>respect
>Nappy
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>How many tracks can that webcam record and play back?
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aa864c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> And a web cam built in it.
>>>
>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>>>
>>>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>>>
>>>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
>>> I
>>>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo
>lap
>>>>>tops
>>>>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
>
>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple
>>>>>>manufactured
>>>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units
>that
>>>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new
>>> ball
>>>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
>>> from
>>>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
>>> that
>>>>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>processors.
>>>>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
>>> the
>>>>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an
>>>>>>>equivalent
>>>>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their
>
>>>>>>>machines.
>>>>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
>>> $1300
>>>>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive
and
>>>>a
>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical
>
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had
>
>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone
>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end
>>>>>>>>models?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
>>> than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
>>> low
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has
>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>>>
>>>>>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I
>>>>>>>>imagine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to
>gain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and
>>>>>>>>software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop
>>>>>>>>designs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness.
>For
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not
>for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their
>
>>>>>>>>form
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>>>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry
>you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an
>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year
>old
>>>>>likes
>>>>>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple
>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel
>>>>chipset,
>>>>>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wire
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Wed, 20 December 2006 18:23 |
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Messages: 245
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less, Marvell NIC, generic
>>> firewire
>>>>>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's
>>>>slightly
>>>>>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots
>
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing
>
>>>>>>>>> unusual
>>>>>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for
>>> a
>>>>>Mac
>>>>>>>Book
>>>>>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set
up
>>> recently)
>>>>>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly because
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>uses
>>>>>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one
chip,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also
has
>>>>a
>>>>>>larger
>>>>>>>>> screed and costs around $750.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about
>five
>>>>>>hours
>>>>>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches
>>> and
>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer
>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>worth
>>>>>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way
it
>>> goes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>On 1/15/07 9:45 AM, in article 45aba181$1@linux, "Nappy"
<mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Understood!
> I'm not as computer savvy as most here which factors into my decision to
> go with a Mac. I agree,preferance is everything.
Hey Nappy -
We all debate these things as if they really matter, but it's just a means
to an end. Macs are great systems - the best comp is the one that serves
you best.
>
> PS how are the kids? You do have 2 if I recall?
> I remember when your first was born.
We do - thanks for asking. They are doing great! Aidan is 6 and in
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Messages: 788
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ndergarten, and Bren is 19 months - both are a lot of fun - sweet kids.
How's your family? How are you?
Regards,
Dedric
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hey Nappy - first I'm just posting as a friendly comparison of perspectives,
>> not a one is "better" than the other debate, just to be sure you don't
>> misunderstand my intent, or think that I'm trying to degrade the value of
> a
>> Mac - great systems and nice design on a lot of levels. :-)
>>
>> The only software I saw in the Apple store config was optional - iLife,
> etc,
>> and not included in the $2499. (Bluetooth, etc. also additional). Doesn't
>> really leave much, if anything different from what comes with Windows XP.
>> Sure, iPhoto, iMovie are nicer than Windows, but I don't use those at all
> as
>> they are really just home user apps anyway.
>>
>> Software advantage depends on what you need it for - for Logic, there's
> no
>> other choice. If it's for home use, or even just buying off the shelf,
> then
>> preference really has everything to do with it.
>>
>> I agree on PCI slots, hardware, etc. that's my big reason for staying with
>> PCs, that and they are just easier to use as sample library farms (and
>> multiple PCs also certainly work fine with a Mac/Logic as the main
>> sequencer/host).
>>
>> Actually for the $90 saved, I would also be getting higher quality RAM (at
>> least based on what past models have used), possibly a better hard drive,
>> more PCI slots, and more options on the motherboard out of the box, but
>> yeah, it's only really relevant for guys like me that try to get the most
>> out of it for a specific purpose. And yes it is in a pro use where the
>> extra 5-10% can make a difference - even spending an extra $90 or so I could
>> get 2G which is a minimum for what I do - to add an extra 1G it's an extra
>> $299 (assuming the buyer would want to go DIY to save $200).
>>
>> Of course that doesn't make the Mac any less of a pro solution - it's a
>> great solution.
>>
>> It's preference - that's all I'm saying. There aren't stark contrasts that
>> often seem to be purported in these threads. For most people it's shades
> of
>> silicon and grey; but for some users, those shades are much more than a
> $90
>> difference or a half day spent building a system.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 1/14/07 9:57 PM, in article 45aafba9$1@linux, "Nappy"
>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dedric,
>>> If you add all the software that comes with it and the elegant design
> plus
>>> the fact that you can run both OSX and XP and you don't have to build
> it
>>> makes
>>> up for the 90 plus dollars you save. I'm just saying it makes sense for
> a
>>> Pro to buy.
>>> You can do what you want,but you can't deny that its a good value. I'm
> not
>>> a die
>>> hard Mac person,in fact I'm going to build a PC to run PARIS on,it makes
>>> more sense.
>>> PC motherboards still offer PCI slots,and buying an old Mac that boots
> to
>>> OS9 is a step backwards. All I'm saying is don't let your feelings about
>>> Steve Jobs stop you from making a move to a Mac if it gives you more
>>> options.
>>> Lets face it,Thad and James represent two extremes of opinions,I'm talking
>>> about options as far as
>>> software goes,yes hardware wise PC's have more options,but as was already
>>> stated
>>> they both have the same or some of the same hardware so I give the Mac
> the
>>> advantage to Mac for software options. Thats My point.
>>>
>>> Is saving 90 plus dollars worth it?
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>>> PS please respond
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/07 8:48 PM, in article 45aaeb8d$1@linux, "Nappy"
>>>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel
> core
>>>>> Xeon
>>>>> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris
> Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Nappy -
>>>>
>>>> From Newegg.com,
>>>> dual 2.66 Xeon
>>>> Gigabyte server motherboard,
>>>> 1G Corsair DDR2 Ram (2x512),
>>>> 250G Western Digital SATA 3G drive
>>>> NVidia GeForce 7300 256M card
>>>> Sony DVD/CD combo drive (+/- DVDR), 16x
>>>> Antec power supply
>>>> Coolermaster case
>>>> Windows XP Pro SP2 with free upgrade to Vista:
>>>>
>>>> $2356 shipped.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what motherboard or drives Apple uses - I think our last Mac
>>>> used Samsung. Memory and DVD/CD drive - also not sure. So I may have
> spent
>>>> more than necessary on this example. Apple also probably gets a bulk
> rate
>>>> on cpus so that can save a little over paying $700 each as an individual
>>>> buyer.
>>>>
>>>> fwiw....
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>
>>
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and=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0202_01C73898.65519BA0--We're up to a balmy 5 above in the Denver area.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> Major pucker factor. I've spent a little time in Ontario and the Michigan UP
> in the 70's and 80's but it didn't get this cold when I was there.
>
> Yikes!!!
>
>
>:-) we get that low *frequently* during January and February. It was
-37C here last week! (-34F)... so I know what you mean. But it's a
*dry cold* right?? ;-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> Major pucker factor. I've spent a little time in Ontario and the Michigan UP
> in the 70's and 80's but it didn't get this cold when I was there.
>
> Yikes!!!
>
>
>DJ, WOW!!! It's 40 degrees(fahrenheit)here in Lower Michigan. What's going
on??
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Major pucker factor. I've spent a little time in Ontario and the Michigan
UP
>in the 70's and 80's but it didn't get this cold when I was there.
>
>Yikes!!!
>
>
>Hey DJ,
Is this the product you've been Beta testing..Best looking Drum interface
thus far. And the sound is killer as is the pricing..
http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>DJ,
>Last year , I invested 4 drum Vstis..Battery2,Stylus RMX, BFD delux, and
>DKFH Custom Vintage..With Drum Core2 in very near sights..
>
>I have to admit, I think I have it all covered. Although, I've been listening
>to a new Drum VSti on Gearslutz that's been getting a lot of proaise of
late..
>The interface is second to none, and the sampling has up he ante ..AND,
the
>price is right..
>Is it "Adictive Drums"??? Hummm
>
>If so, these are "Killer"!!!! The interface is the best yet..Killer sound,
>Killer control. I will be getting this Vsti when it becomes available..
>
>DJ, I hope your secret product is better than this?? :)
>
> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>
>
> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I am currently beta testing something wonderful which is drum related.
It
>
>>should be released next Thursday/Friday at NAMM. If you are getting ready
>to
>>spend any money on drum related software, keep your wallet in your pocket
>
>>for the next 5 days. You can do it. You will not die...........you may
>>suffer, but you will not die.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>OK - so I found that the plug I have been working on already exists. It's
called streamboy and is available at www.elevayta.com. Can a couple of you
guys try it between paris and another host and let me know how it goes?
Thanks
ChuckLAMONT!
I MUST MUST MUST HAVE THIS IMMEDIATELY :-) I'm doing my best DJ impersonation..
This is SO COOL. The ultimate impulse buy for me. To bad it has to ship
from sweden! Is there any way to buy it for download?
Chuck
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey DJ,
>Is this the product you've been Beta testing..Best looking Drum interface
>thus far. And the sound is killer as is the pricing..
>
> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>
>
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>DJ,
>>Last year , I invested 4 drum Vstis..Battery2,Stylus RMX, BFD delux, and
>>DKFH Custom Vintage..With Drum Core2 in very near sights..
>>
>>I have to admit, I think I have it all covered. Although, I've been listening
>>to a new Drum VSti on Gearslutz that's been getting a lot of proaise of
>late..
>>The interface is second to none, and the sampling has up he ante ..AND,
>the
>>price is right..
>>Is it "Adictive Drums"??? Hummm
>>
>>If so, these are "Killer"!!!! The interface is the best yet..Killer sound,
>>Killer control. I will be getting this Vsti when it becomes available..
>>
>>DJ, I hope your secret product is better than this?? :)
>>
>> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>>
>>
>> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I am currently beta testing something wonderful which is drum related.
>It
>>
>>>should be released next Thursday/Friday at NAMM. If you are getting ready
>>to
>>>spend any money on drum related software, keep your wallet in your pocket
>>
>>>for the next 5 days. You can do it. You will not die...........you may
>
>>>suffer, but you will not die.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>What you REALLY need to do is write a VST plug that will access the
EDS DSP *without* Paris having to be loaded, ala UAD! :-)
David.
chuck duffy wrote:
> OK - so I found that the plug I have been working on already exists. It's
> called streamboy and is available at www.elevayta.com. Can a couple of you
> guys try it between paris and another host and let me know how it goes?
>
> Thanks
> ChuckHi Thad,
There are still some technology hurdles on the express card side of
things. The spec is still a bit grey.
Also RME have stated on their forum about some companies coming out with
card bus to express card adapter that look promising. I think they are
on a wait and see how they work rather than investing resources on it.
There is a much larger user base for the pci cards so they rightfully
are starting with those first.
Chris
TCB wrote:
> Sadly, no mention of ExpressCard. I would hope that's next.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>> this just posted to the RME forum:
>>
>>
>> The HDSPe PCI Card and the HDSPe MADI card are newly engineered=20
>> PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors. Still based on RME's
>> famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the new PCI-Express
>> core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance with
>> the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all newer
>> motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core ensures
>> full update capability via RME's Secure Flash technology,
>> for further hardware and driver updates.
>>
>> The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card that provides
>> RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the Multiface,
>> Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned and used
>> by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.
>> If users are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution
>> combined with ultimate compatibility, these devices are still
>> state of the art. The Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine
>> some of the highest possible audio transmission rates and low-latency
>> features you can realize with card-based interface techniques,
>> faster than most serial solutions; combined with flexible connectivity.
>> Artists and studios all over the world rely on these combinations.
>> With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the existing range
>> of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is secured.
>> As a special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared
>> to support the use of the TCO, RME's Time Code Option,
>> with Multiface/II and Digiface.
>>
>> The HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products
>> as it is now the interfacing flagship to the MADI world.
>> The HDSPe MADI card offers a powerful 128 I/O-channel computer
>> connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel modes as well as
>> Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64 playback
>> channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 physical outputs.
>> The HDSPe MADI turns every "state of the art" computer
>> into a powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).
>> The HDSPe MADI offers the most powerful router/mixer
>> implemented on a single PCI-Express card ever.
>> Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,
>> the new PCI-Express version offers several advantages,
>> like support for higher sample rates than 96 kHz,
>> TCO support and lower latency.
>>
>> Both cards come with drivers for Windows XP (multi-client operation
>> of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and brandnew Windows Vista drivers.
>> Apple users are perfectly served with Power PC and X86 (Intel)
>> drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI support.
>>
>> The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from March 2007.
>> The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.
>> The pricing will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>> products.
>>
>> Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of these, I might.......
>>
>>
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> <HTML><HEAD>
>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>> </HEAD>
>> <BODY>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this just posted to the RME =
>> forum:</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>The HDSPe PCI Card and the =
>> HDSPe MADI card=20
>> are newly engineered <BR>PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors. =
>> Still=20
>> based on RME's<BR>famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the
> =
>> new=20
>> PCI-Express<BR>core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance=20
>> with<BR>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all=20
>> newer<BR>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core =
>> ensures<BR>full=20
>> update capability via RME=92s Secure Flash technology,<BR>for further =
>> hardware and=20
>> driver updates.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card
> =
>> that=20
>> provides<BR>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the
> =
>> Multiface,<BR>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned =
>> and=20
>> used<BR>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.<BR>If
> =
>> users=20
>> are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution<BR>combined =
>> with=20
>> ultimate compatibility, these devices are still<BR>state of the art. The
> =
>> Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine<BR>some of the highest =
>> possible=20
>> audio transmission rates and low-latency<BR>features you can realize =
>> with=20
>> card-based interface techniques,<BR>faster than most serial solutions; =
>> combined=20
>> with flexible connectivity.<BR>Artists and studios all over the world =
>> rely on=20
>> these combinations.<BR>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the =
>> existing=20
>> range<BR>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is =
>> secured.<BR>As a=20
>> special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared<BR>to support the
> =
>> use of=20
>> the TCO, RME=92s Time Code Option,<BR>with Multiface/II and =
>> Digiface.<BR><BR>The=20
>> HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products<BR>as it is
> =
>> now the=20
>> interfacing flagship to the MADI world.<BR>The HDSPe MADI card offers a
> =
>> powerful=20
>> 128 I/O-channel computer<BR>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel =
>> modes as=20
>> well as<BR>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64=20
>> playback<BR>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 =
>> physical=20
>> outputs.<BR>The HDSPe MADI turns every =93state of the art=94 =
>> computer<BR>into a=20
>> powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).<BR>The HDSPe MADI offers the =
>> most=20
>> powerful router/mixer<BR>implemented on a single PCI-Express card=20
>> ever.<BR>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,<BR>the new =
>> PCI-Express=20
>> version offers several advantages,<BR>like support for higher sample =
>> rates than=20
>> 96 kHz,<BR>TCO support and lower latency.<BR><BR>Both cards come with =
>> drivers=20
>> for Windows XP (multi-client operation<BR>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and
> =
>> brandnew Windows Vista drivers.<BR>Apple users are perfectly served with
> =
>> Power=20
>> PC and X86 (Intel)<BR>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI=20
>> support.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from =
>> March=20
>> 2007.<BR>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.<BR>The =
>> pricing=20
>> will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>> <BR>products.</EM></FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of =
>> these, I=20
>> might.......</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>
>>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comI'm not sure, but I think that if I don't have it, I'll die.
Gantt
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey DJ,
>Is this the product you've been Beta testing..Best looking Drum interface
>thus far. And the sound is killer as is the pricing..
>
> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>
>
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>DJ,
>>Last year , I invested 4 drum Vstis..Battery2,Stylus RMX, BFD delux, and
>>DKFH Custom Vintage..With Drum Core2 in very near sights..
>>
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Wed, 20 December 2006 18:33 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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;
>>I have to admit, I think I have it all covered. Although, I've been listening
>>to a new Drum VSti on Gearslutz that's been getting a lot of proaise of
>late..
>>The interface is second to none, and the sampling has up he ante ..AND,
>the
>>price is right..
>>Is it "Adictive Drums"??? Hummm
>>
>>If so, these are "Killer"!!!! The interface is the best yet..Killer sound,
>>Killer control. I will be getting this Vsti when it becomes available..
>>
>>DJ, I hope your secret product is better than this?? :)
>>
>> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>>
>>
>> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I am currently beta testing something wonderful which is drum related.
>It
>>
>>>should be released next Thursday/Friday at NAMM. If you are getting ready
>>to
>>>spend any money on drum related software, keep your wallet in your pocket
>>
>>>for the next 5 days. You can do it. You will not die...........you may
>
>>>suffer, but you will not die.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45abaf67$1@linux...
>
> DJ, WOW!!! It's 40 degrees(fahrenheit)here in Lower Michigan. What's going
> on??
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Major pucker factor. I've spent a little time in Ontario and the Michigan
> UP
>>in the 70's and 80's but it didn't get this cold when I was there.
>&g
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ww.apple.com/getamac/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>>>
>>>> ...and it goes on, and on!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's
>>
>>>>>> going
>>>> to
>>>>>> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with
it
>>
>>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>>> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest
>>>>>> mobo's
>>>> I've
>>>>>> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI
>>>>>> slots,
>>>> but,
>>>>>> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's
>>>>>> teeth.
>>>> Of
>>>>>> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get
to
>>
>>>>>> rejoice
>>>>
>>>>>> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45aa8362@linux...
>>>>>>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>>>>
>>>>>>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die.
>>>> ;^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since
I
>>
>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>
>>>>>>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :O)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>>>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now
>> that
>>>>>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to
>>
>>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different
>>>>>>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user
>>>>>>>>>> experiences.
>>>> How
>>>>>>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^)
>>>>>>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you
>>>>
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Wed, 20 December 2006 22:52 |
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>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always
>> best
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed.
>>>>>>>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much
>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real
>>>>>>>>>> difference...
>>>>>>>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole
>>>>>>>>> mountain,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> just the groomed runs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting
edge
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> phone,
>>>>>>>>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and
>>>>>>>>> orientation
>>>>>>>>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down,
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world
of
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tech.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors,
>>>>>>>>>>>> onboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly
are
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the
>> new
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or
>>>>>>>>>>> TigerDirect
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case
and
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors
>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much
>> for
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> math -
>>>>>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions
-
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Moto
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is they
>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was
>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>>>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch
them
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> go for
>>>>>>>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu
>> is
>>>>
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er 8,16
Regards,
Dimitrios
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>OK - so I found that the plug I have been working on already exists. It's
>called streamboy and is available at www.elevayta.com. Can a couple of
you
>guys try it between paris and another host and let me know how it goes?
>
>Thanks
>Chuck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp5OxEzxuSg&mode=related& amp;search=
Regards,
DimitriosNo demo!!! I'm not sure but it looks like it's VST 2.4, and of course, it
Windoz only.
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>OK - so I found that the plug I have been working on already exists. It's
>called streamboy and is available at www.elevayta.com. Can a couple of
you
>guys try it between paris and another host and let me know how it goes?
>
>Thanks
>Chuck"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp5OxEzxuSg&mode=related& amp;search=
>
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
Wow! Man and Machine.Yes John, you should sell it to me! Since I'm a nice guy I'll give an even
thousand for it. ;>)
Seriously, if I could afford it, I'd have a TD-20 kit with some extra cymbal
triggers controlling BFD or DFH. Check the videos at Toontracks for some
excellent live jamming (TD-20 triggering DFH). www.toontracks.com
Tony
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45aa75ef$1@linux...
>
> Should I sell my TD-20. If you don't tell me I'll die !Paris Lives !!! Good looking out Chuck..
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>OK - so I found that the plug I have been working on already exists. It's
>called streamboy and is available at www.elevayta.com. Can a couple of
you
>guys try it between paris and another host and let me know how it goes?
>
>Thanks
>ChuckAll of which is perfectly understandable, but doesn't help me get my HDSP
RPM running now does it ;-)
Do you know of any laptops that are higher performance, reasonably priced,
and still have cardbus slots?
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Thad,
>There are still some technology hurdles on the express card side of
>things. The spec is still a bit grey.
>Also RME have stated on their forum about some companies coming out with
>card bus to express card adapter that look promising. I think they are
>on a wait and see how they work rather than investing resources on it.
>There is a much larger user base for the pci cards so they rightfully
>are starting with those first.
>
>Chris
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Sadly, no mention of ExpressCard. I would hope that's next.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> this just posted to the RME forum:
>>>
>>>
>>> The HDSPe PCI Card and the HDSPe MADI card are newly engineered=20
>>> PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors. Still based on RME's
>>> famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the new PCI-Express
>>> core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance with
>>> the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all newer
>>> motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core ensures
>>> full update capability via RME's Secure Flash technology,
>>> for further hardware and driver updates.
>>>
>>> The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card that provides
>>> RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the Multiface,
>>> Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned and used
>>> by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.
>>> If users are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution
>>> combined with ultimate compatibility, these devices are still
>>> state of the art. The Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine
>>> some of the highest possible audio transmission rates and low-latency
>>> features you can realize with card-based interface techniques,
>>> faster than most serial solutions; combined with flexible connectivity.
>>> Artists and studios all over the world rely on these combinations.
>>> With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the existing range
>>> of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is secured.
>>> As a special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared
>>> to support the use of the TCO, RME's Time Code Option,
>>> with Multiface/II and Digiface.
>>>
>>> The HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products
>>> as it is now the interfacing flagship to the MADI world.
>>> The HDSPe MADI card offers a powerful 128 I/O-channel computer
>>> connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel modes as well as
>>> Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64 playback
>>> channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 physical outputs.
>>> The HDSPe MADI turns every "state of the art" computer
>>> into a powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).
>>> The HDSPe MADI offers the most powerful router/mixer
>>> implemented on a single PCI-Express card ever.
>>> Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,
>>> the new PCI-Express version offers several advantages,
>>> like support for higher sample rates than 96 kHz,
>>> TCO support and lower latency.
>>>
>>> Both cards come with drivers for Windows XP (multi-client operation
>>> of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and brandnew Windows Vista drivers.
>>> Apple users are perfectly served with Power PC and X86 (Intel)
>>> drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI support.
>>>
>>> The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from March 2007.
>>> The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.
>>> The pricing will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>>> products.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of these, I might.......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>> </HEAD>
>>> <BODY>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this just posted to the RME =
>>> forum:</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>The HDSPe PCI Card and the =
>>> HDSPe MADI card=20
>>> are newly engineered <BR>PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors.
=
>>> Still=20
>>> based on RME's<BR>famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the
>> =
>>> new=20
>>> PCI-Express<BR>core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance=20
>>> with<BR>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all=20
>>> newer<BR>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core =
>>> ensures<BR>full=20
>>> update capability via RME=92s Secure Flash technology,<BR>for further
=
>>> hardware and=20
>>> driver updates.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card
>> =
>>> that=20
>>> provides<BR>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in
the
>> =
>>> Multiface,<BR>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned
=
>>> and=20
>>> used<BR>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.<BR>If
>> =
>>> users=20
>>> are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution<BR>combined
=
>>> with=20
>>> ultimate compatibility, these devices are still<BR>state of the art.
The
>> =
>>> Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine<BR>some of the highest =
>>> possible=20
>>> audio transmission rates and low-latency<BR>features you can realize
=
>>> with=20
>>> card-based interface techniques,<BR>faster than most serial solutions;
=
>>> combined=20
>>> with flexible connectivity.<BR>Artists and studios all over the world
=
>>> rely on=20
>>> these combinations.<BR>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the
=
>>> existing=20
>>> range<BR>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is =
>>> secured.<BR>As a=20
>>> special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared<BR>to support
the
>> =
>>> use of=20
>>> the TCO, RME=92s Time Code Option,<BR>with Multiface/II and =
>>> Digiface.<BR><BR>The=20
>>> HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products<BR>as it
is
>> =
>>> now the=20
>>> interfacing flagship to the MADI world.<BR>The HDSPe MADI card offers
a
>> =
>>> powerful=20
>>> 128 I/O-channel computer<BR>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel
=
>>> modes as=20
>>> well as<BR>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64=20
>>> playback<BR>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 =
>>> physical=20
>>> outputs.<BR>The HDSPe MADI turns every =93state of the art=94 =
>>> computer<BR>into a=20
>>> powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).<BR>The HDSPe MADI offers the
=
>>> most=20
>>> powerful router/mixer<BR>implemented on a single PCI-Express card=20
>>> ever.<BR>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,<BR>the new
=
>>> PCI-Express=20
>>> version offers several advantages,<BR>like support for higher sample
=
>>> rates than=20
>>> 96 kHz,<BR>TCO support and lower latency.<BR><BR>Both cards come with
=
>>> drivers=20
>>> for Windows XP (multi-client operation<BR>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0)
and
>> =
>>> brandnew Windows Vista drivers.<BR>Apple users are perfectly served with
>> =
>>> Power=20
>>> PC and X86 (Intel)<BR>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI=20
>>> support.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from =
>>> March=20
>>> 2007.<BR>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.<BR>The
=
>>> pricing=20
>>> will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>>> <BR>products.</EM></FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of
=
>>> these, I=20
>>> might.......</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comhttp://www.virtualbox.org/
This might be a last second, Hail Mary move to keep VMWare visible at the
horizon, but Innotek has GPL'd (v. 2 only, extra credit if you know why that
matters) VirtualBox. Runs on GNU/Linux and Windows hosts with an OS X beta,
and will run damn near anything as a guest, from OS/2 to FreeBSD. Binary
installers for the 'free for personal and evaluation' use for XP and various
free software flavors (including Debian, yay!), so you don't need a compiler
to install it.
I got XP running on my Debian laptop in about an hour. This would be a very,
very safe way for some of you to have surfing/email reading ability on an
audio box. Install Ubuntu or Fedora Core (or better yet Debian) in a VM and
run that with NAT for networking and you'll have a devil of a time infecting
yourself. Or just get your feet wet with other OS options. Performance on
GNU/Linux with the kernel modules is very impressive, don't know about XP
but I'll probably try it tonight when I get home. It looks like they're even
working on getting video acceleration to work.
TCBWhat a brilliant guy!
But musically, I keep waiting for something to happen. I think he
has it in him, but the machines don't allow for much movement...
DC
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp5OxEzxuSg&mode=related& amp;search=
>
>Regards,
>DimitriosFair enough
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel core
>>Xeon
>>prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris Ludwig
>>
>>if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper.
>
>That has zero to do with what I posted originally. My point was that I have
>heard for YEARS that Apple somehow uses these super high grade components
>that make their hardware more expensive. I haven't had to set up a Mac in
>a few years, and of course the PowerPC versions were comparatively opaque
>unless I would go to the trouble of putting Yellow Dog on them. Which I
didn't.
>But, because a co-workers' kid wanted to play a Windows game on his Macbook
>I had a chance to look at what kind of hardware is in a $1400 Apple laptop.
>The answer is pretty much the same stuff that's in a $750 Dell laptop, give
>or take a copy of iLife and a web cam on the Mac and a bigger screen on
the
>Dell.
>
>There are plenty of arguments for owning a Mac, the biggest one being personal
>preference. I was only seeking to put another of them to bed, that they
use
>bending end components that put their hardware in another class than what
>I use. Quite simply, they don't, and the move to generic Intel hardware
makes
>that quite clear.
>
>TCB
>
>I like Macs because
>>like it
>>or not they have software that I use that only runs on a Mac and I can
run
>>any
>>software that runs on XP on it as well and from were i sit thats makes
good
>>sense to me. Now if they come out with a PC version of Aperture and Logic
>>then I'll get
>>a PC. Sure I'd like to run OSX on a PC,but hating Steve Jobs is not going
>>to stop me
>>from using the software I want. Remember the old saying,"Find the software
>>you want to use and pick the platform that supports it" The Mac supports
>>both
>>platforms.
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>How many tracks can that webcam record and play back?
>>>
>>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aa864c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> And a web cam built in it.
>>>>
>>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
>>>> I
>>>>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo
>>lap
>>>>>>tops
>>>>>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
>>
>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple
>>>>>>>manufactured
>>>>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units
>>that
>>>>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole
new
>>>> ball
>>>>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
>>>> from
>>>>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
>>>> that
>>>>>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>>processors.
>>>>>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an
>>>>>>>>equivalent
>>>>>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their
>>
>>>>>>>>machines.
>>>>>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
>>>> $1300
>>>>>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive
>and
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical
>>
>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had
>>
>>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone
>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end
>>>>>>>>>models?
>>>>>>>>
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Thu, 21 December 2006 09:13 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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t;>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop
>
>>>>>>>>>designs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness.
>>For
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not
>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their
>>
>>>>>>>>>form
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry
>>you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an
>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year
>>old
>>>>>>likes
>>>>>>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple
>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel
>>>>>chipset,
>>>>>>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic
>>>> firewire
>>>>>>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's
>>>>>slightly
>>>>>>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots
>>
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing
>>
>>>>>>>>>> unusual
>>>>>>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list
for
>>>> a
>>>>>>Mac
>>>>>>>>Book
>>>>>>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which
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Thu, 21 December 2006 21:16 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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you save. I'm just saying it makes sense
for
>> a
>>>> Pro to buy.
>>>> You can do what you want,but you can't deny that its a good value. I'm
>> not
>>>> a die
>>>> hard Mac person,in fact I'm going to build a PC to run PARIS on,it makes
>>>> more sense.
>>>> PC motherboards still offer PCI slots,and buying an old Mac that boots
>> to
>>>> OS9 is a step backwards. All I'm saying is don't let your feelings about
>>>> Steve Jobs stop you from making a move to a Mac if it gives you more
>>>> options.
>>>> Lets face it,Thad and James represent two extremes of opinions,I'm
talking
>>>> about options as far as
>>>> software goes,yes hardware wise PC's have more options,but as was already
>>>> stated
>>>> they both have the same or some of the same hardware so I give the Mac
>> the
>>>> advantage to Mac for software options. Thats My point.
>>>>
>>>> Is saving 90 plus dollars worth it?
>>>>
>>>> respect
>>>> Nappy
>>>> PS please respond
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/07 8:48 PM, in article 45aaeb8d$1@linux, "Nappy"
>>>>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel
>> core
>>>>>> Xeon
>>>>>> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris
>> Ludwig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Nappy -
>>>>>
>>>>> From Newegg.com,
>>>>> dual 2.66 Xeon
>>>>> Gigabyte server motherboard,
>>>>> 1G Corsair DDR2 Ram (2x512),
>>>>> 250G Western Digital SATA 3G drive
>>>>> NVidia GeForce 7300 256M card
>>>>> Sony DVD/CD combo drive (+/- DVDR), 16x
>>>>> Antec power supply
>>>>> Coolermaster case
>>>>> Windows XP Pro SP2 with free upgrade to Vista:
>>>>>
>>>>> $2356 shipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what motherboard or drives Apple uses - I think our last Mac
>>>>> used Samsung. Memory and DVD/CD drive - also not sure. So I may have
>> spent
>>>>> more than necessary on this example. Apple also probably gets a bulk
>> rate
>>>>> on cpus so that can save a little over paying $700 each as an individual
>>>>> buyer.
>>>>>
>>>>> fwiw....
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>global warming. i grew up in detroit and there were many sub-zero
nights i played hockey in. it helped take the sting out of a slap
shot to the shins without pads many a night.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:00:52 -0500, "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45abaf67$1@linux...
>>
>> DJ, WOW!!! It's 40 degrees(fahrenheit)here in Lower Michigan. What's going
>> on??
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Major pucker factor. I've spent a little time in Ontario and the Michigan
>> UP
>>>in the 70's and 80's but it didn't get this cold when I was there.
>>>
>>>Yikes!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>I think it's called Winter...I remember it dropping to 40F regularly when I
>lived in Dayton OH back in the 60's...so as we say here in Canada...Suck it
>up!!!!!
>
>:-)
>James,
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45abc6a4$1@linux...
>
> Hey Deej!
>
> Be careful, some of those demo machines are FUBARed! Some people actually
> try to hack and sabotage them. Or is that your purpose? ; )
Well........as we were discussing, I need to see how much of the existing OS
I can hack, right? I figured I'd have some fun on someone else's machine.
;oD
>
> On your PC you have a good cognitive map of where every thing is and how
> it works. Like I said, Mac OSX will be like being dropped off in a
> strange
> city. A good way to get a better understanding of Mac OSX is to read all
> the info here:
>
> http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/
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Fri, 22 December 2006 00:24 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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exclusively)
>>>>>>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k
>>>>>>>>>>>> processors
>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a
>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much
>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> math -
>>>>>>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in
>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions
> -
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Moto
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is they
>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was
>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>>>>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch
> them
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> go for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu
>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> selling
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> drop most
>>>>>>>>>>>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in a Mac and it should run,
>>>>>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> OS is
>>>>>>>>>>>> setup to lock out all but spec'd boards, or tolerances with
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> parts are
>>>>>>>>>>>> too low.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With comps today, when it comes down to it, the only real
>>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is what
>>>>>>>>>>>> the GUI and the logos look like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest is no more of a variation on a theme than you get
>
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Fri, 22 December 2006 07:16 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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;>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>>> </HEAD>
>>>> <BODY>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this just posted to the RME =
>>>> forum:</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>The HDSPe PCI Card and the =
>>>> HDSPe MADI card=20
>>>> are newly engineered <BR>PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors.
> =
>>>> Still=20
>>>> based on RME's<BR>famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the
>>> =
>>>> new=20
>>>> PCI-Express<BR>core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance=20
>>>> with<BR>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all=20
>>>> newer<BR>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core =
>>>> ensures<BR>full=20
>>>> update capability via RME=92s Secure Flash technology,<BR>for further
> =
>>>> hardware and=20
>>>> driver updates.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card
>>> =
>>>> that=20
>>>> provides<BR>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in
> the
>>> =
>>>> Multiface,<BR>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned
> =
>>>> and=20
>>>> used<BR>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.<BR>If
>>> =
>>>> users=20
>>>> are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution<BR>combined
> =
>>>> with=20
>>>> ultimate compatibility, these devices are still<BR>state of the art.
> The
>>> =
>>>> Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine<BR>some of the highest =
>>>> possible=20
>>>> audio transmission rates and low-latency<BR>features you can realize
> =
>>>> with=20
>>>> card-based interface techniques,<BR>faster than most serial solutions;
> =
>>>> combined=20
>>>> with flexible connectivity.<BR>Artists and studios all over the world
> =
>>>> rely on=20
>>>> these combinations.<BR>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the
> =
>>>> existing=20
>>>> range<BR>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is =
>>>> secured.<BR>As a=20
>>>> special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared<BR>to support
> the
>>> =
>>>> use of=20
>>>> the TCO, RME=92s Time Code Option,<BR>with Multiface/II and =
>>>> Digiface.<BR><BR>The=20
>>>> HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products<BR>as it
> is
>>> =
>>>> now the=20
>>>> interfacing flagship to the MADI world.<BR>The HDSPe MADI card offers
> a
>>> =
>>>> powerful=20
>>>> 128 I/O-channel computer<BR>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel
> =
>>>> modes as=20
>>>> well as<BR>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64=20
>>>> playback<BR>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 =
>>>> physical=20
>>>> outputs.<BR>The HDSPe MADI turns every =93state of the art=94 =
>>>> computer<BR>into a=20
>>>> powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).<BR>The HDSPe MADI offers the
> =
>>>> most=20
>>>> powerful router/mixer<BR>implemented on a single PCI-Express card=20
>>>> ever.<BR>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,<BR>the new
> =
>>>> PCI-Express=20
>>>> version offers several advantages,<BR>like support for higher sample
> =
>>>> rates than=20
>>>> 96 kHz,<BR>TCO support and lower latency.<BR><BR>Both cards come with
> =
>>>> drivers=20
>>>> for Windows XP (multi-client operation<BR>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0)
> and
>>> =
>>>> brandnew Windows Vista drivers.<BR>Apple users are perfectly served with
>>> =
>>>> Power=20
>>>> PC and X86 (Intel)<BR>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI=20
>>>> support.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from =
>>>> March=20
>>>> 2007.<BR>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.<BR>The
> =
>>>> pricing=20
>>>> will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>>>> <BR>products.</EM></FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of
> =
>>>> these, I=20
>>>> might.......</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>
>>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comWell I'll be hornswaggled....... I didn't know you guys built laptops. I was
thinking that a couple of quad core CPUs might work in one if I took a
chainsaw and.........
;o)
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Thad,
> Wh
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Fri, 22 December 2006 08:31 |
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e issues
> with the Presonus Firebox with it but the RME. M-Audio and TC stuff is
> working fine so far.
> Don't know how well its Linux driver support may be though..:)
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> TCB wrote:
>> All of which is perfectly understandable, but doesn't help me get my HDSP
>> RPM running now does it ;-)
>>
>> Do you know of any laptops that are higher performance, reasonably
>> priced,
>> and still have cardbus slots?
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Thad,
>>> There are still some technology hurdles on the express card side of
>>> things. The spec is still a bit grey.
>>> Also RME have stated on their forum about some companies coming out with
>>
>>> card bus to express card adapter that look promising. I think they are
>>> on a wait and see how they work rather than investing resources on it.
>>> There is a much larger user base for the pci cards so they rightfully
>>> are starting with those first.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> Sadly, no mention of ExpressCard. I would hope that's next.
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> this just posted to the RME forum:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The HDSPe PCI Card and the HDSPe MADI card are newly engineered=20
>>>>> PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors. Still based on RME's
>>>>> famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the new PCI-Express
>>>>> core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance with
>>>>> the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all newer
>>>>> motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core ensures
>>>>> full update capability via RME's Secure Flash technology,
>>>>> for further hardware and driver updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card that provides
>>>>> RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the
>>>>> Multiface,
>>>>> Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned and used
>>>>> by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.
>>>>> If users are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution
>>>>> combined with ultimate compatibility, these devices are still
>>>>> state of the art. The Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine
>>>>> some of the highest possible audio transmission rates and low-latency
>>>>> features you can realize with card-based interface techniques,
>>>>> faster than most serial solutions; combined with flexible
>>>>> connectivity.
>>>>> Artists and studios all over the world rely on these combinations.
>>>>> With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the existing range
>>>>> of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is secured.
>>>>> As a special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared
>>>>> to support the use of the TCO, RME's Time Code Option,
>>>>> with Multiface/II and Digiface.
>>>>>
>>>>> The HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products
>>>>> as it is now the interfacing flagship to the MADI world.
>>>>> The HDSPe MADI card offers a powerful 128 I/O-channel computer
>>>>> connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel modes as well as
>>>>> Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64 playback
>>>>> channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 physical outputs.
>>>>> The HDSPe MADI turns every "state of the art" computer
>>>>> into a powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).
>>>>> The HDSPe MADI offers the most powerful router/mixer
>>>>> implemented on a single PCI-Express card ever.
>>>>> Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,
>>>>> the new PCI-Express version offers several advantages,
>>>>> like support for higher sample rates than 96 kHz,
>>>>> TCO support and lower latency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both cards come with drivers for Windows XP (multi-client operation
>>>>> of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and brandnew Windows Vista drivers.
>>>>> Apple users are perfectly served with Power PC and X86 (Intel)
>>>>> drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI support.
>>>>>
>>>>> The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from March 2007.
>>>>> The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.
>>>>> The pricing will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI
>>>>> card=20
>>>>> products.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of these, I might.......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
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>>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>> </HEAD>
>>>>> <BODY>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this just posted to the RME =
>>>>> forum:</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>The HDSPe PCI Card and the =
>>>>> HDSPe MADI card=20
>>>>> are newly engineered <BR>PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors.
>> =
>>>>> Still=20
>>>>> based on RME's<BR>famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality
>>>>> the
>>>> =
>>>>> new=20
>>>>> PCI-Express<BR>core ensures full compatibility and maximum
>>>>> performance=20
>>>>> with<BR>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all=20
>>>>> newer<BR>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core =
>>>>> ensures<BR>full=20
>>>>> update capability via RME=92s Secure Flash technology,<BR>for further
>> =
>>>>> hardware and=20
>>>>> driver updates.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1
>>>>> card
>>>> =
>>>>> that=20
>>>>> provides<BR>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in
>> the
>>>> =
>>>>> Multiface,<BR>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned
>> =
>>>>> and=20
>>>>> used<BR>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the
>>>>> planet.<BR>If
>>>> =
>>>>> users=20
>>>>> are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution<BR>combined
>> =
>>>>> with=20
>>>>> ultimate compatibility, these devices are still<BR>state of the art.
>> The
>>>> =
>>>>> Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine<BR>some of the highest =
>>>>> possible=20
>>>>> audio transmission rates and low-latency<BR>features you can realize
>> =
>>>>> with=20
>>>>> card-based interface techniques,<BR>faster than most serial solutions;
>> =
>>>>> combined=20
>>>>> with flexible connectivity.<BR>Artists and studios all over the world
>> =
>>>>> rely on=20
>>>>> these combinations.<BR>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the
>> =
>>>>> existing=20
>>>>> range<BR>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is =
>>>>> secured.<BR>As a=20
>>>>> special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared<BR>to support
>> the
>>>> =
>>>>> use of=20
>>>>> the TCO, RME=92s Time Code Option,<BR>with Multiface/II and =
>>>>> Digiface.<BR><BR>The=20
>>>>> HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products<BR>as it
>> is
>>>> =
>>>>> now the=20
>>>>> interfacing flagship to the MADI world.<BR>The HDSPe MADI card offers
>> a
>>>> =
>>>>> powerful=20
>>>>> 128 I/O-channel computer<BR>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel
>> =
>>>>> modes as=20
>>>>> well as<BR>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64=20
>>>>> playback<BR>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 =
>>>>> physical=20
>>>>> outputs.<BR>The HDSPe MADI turns every =93state of the art=94 =
>>>>> computer<BR>into a=20
>>>>> powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).<BR>The HDSPe MADI offers the
>> =
>>>>> most=20
>>>>> powerful router/mixer<BR>implemented on a single PCI-Express card=20
>>>>> ever.<BR>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,<BR>the new
>> =
>>>>> PCI-Express=20
>>>>> version offers several advantages,<BR>like support for higher sample
>> =
>>>>> rates than=20
>>>>> 96 kHz,<BR>TCO support and lower latency.<BR><BR>Both cards come with
>> =
>>>>> drivers=20
>>>>> for Windows XP (multi-client operation<BR>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0)
>> and
>>>> =
>>>>> brandnew Windows Vista drivers.<BR>Apple users are perfectly served
>>>>> with
>>>> =
>>>>> Power=20
>>>>> PC and X86 (Intel)<BR>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI=20
>>>>> support.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from =
>>>>> March=20
>>>>> 2007.<BR>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.<BR>The
>> =
>>>>> pricing=20
>>>>> will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>>>>> <BR>products.</EM></FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of
>> =
>>>>> these, I=20
>>>>> might.......</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.comThe one I was looking at was - socket 771.
Dedric
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Fri, 22 December 2006 08:08 |
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4;ameritech.net" target="_blank">jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45abef81$1@linux...
>
> Dedric,
> From Newegg.com, dual 2.66 Xeon Gigabyte server motherboard,
>
> Is this board Dual 2 core (Xeon) compatiblle??
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>On 1/15/07 9:45 AM, in article 45aba181$1@linux, "Nappy"
>><mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Understood!
>>> I'm not as computer savvy as most here which factors into my decision
> to
>>> go with a Mac. I agree,preferance is everything.
>>Hey Nappy -
>>
>>We all debate these things as if they really matter, but it's just a means
>>to an end. Macs are great systems - the best comp is the one that serves
>>you best.
>>>
>>> PS how are the kids? You do have 2 if I recall?
>>> I remember when your first was born.
>>
>>We do - thanks for asking. They are doing great! Aidan is 6 and in
>>kindergarten, and Bren is 19 months - both are a lot of fun - sweet kids.
>>How's your family? How are you?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Nappy - first I'm just posting as a friendly comparison of
>>>> perspectives,
>>>> not a one is "better" than the other debate, just to be sure you don't
>>>> misunderstand my intent, or think that I'm trying to degrade the value
> of
>>> a
>>>> Mac - great systems and nice design on a lot of levels. :-)
>>>>
>>>> The only software I saw in the Apple store config was optional - iLife,
>>> etc,
>>>> and not included in the $2499. (Bluetooth, etc. also additional).
>>>> Doesn't
>>>> really leave much, if anything different from what comes with Windows
> XP.
>>>> Sure, iPhoto, iMovie are nicer than Windows, but I don't use those at
> all
>>> as
>>>> they are really just home user apps anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Software advantage depends on what you need it for - for Logic, there's
>>> no
>>>> other choice. If it's for home use, or even just buying off the shelf,
>>> then
>>>> preference really has everything to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> I agree on PCI slots, hardware, etc. that's my big reason for staying
> with
>>>> PCs, that and they are just easier to use as sample library farms (and
>>>> multiple PCs also certainly work fine with a Mac/Logic as the main
>>>> sequencer/host).
>>>>
>>>> Actually for the $90 saved, I would also be getting higher quality RAM
> (at
>>>> least based on what past models have used), possibly a better hard
>>>> drive,
>>>> more PCI slots, and more options on the motherboard out of the box, but
>>>> yeah, it's only really relevant for guys like me that try to get the
> most
>>>> out of it for a specific purpose. And yes it is in a pro use where the
>>>> extra 5-10% can make a difference - even spending an extra $90 or so
> I could
>>>> get 2G which is a minimum for what I do - to add an extra 1G it's an
> extra
>>>> $299 (assuming the buyer would want to go DIY to save $200).
>>>>
>>>> Of course that doesn't make the Mac any less of a pro solution - it's
> a
>>>> great solution.
>>>>
>>>> It's preference - that's all I'm saying. There aren't stark contrasts
> that
>>>> often seem to be purported in these threads. For most people it's
>>>> shades
>>> of
>>>> silicon and grey; but for some users, those shades are much more than
> a
>>> $90
>>>> difference or a half day spent building a system.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 1/14/07 9:57 PM, in article 45aafba9$1@linux, "Nappy"
>>>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric,
>>>>> If you add all the software that comes with it and the elegant design
>>> plus
>>>>> the fact that you can run both OSX and XP and you don't have to build
>>> it
>>>>> makes
>>>>> up for the 90 plus dollars you save. I'm just saying it makes sense
> for
>>> a
>>>>> Pro to buy.
>>>>> You can do what you want,but you can't deny that its a good value. I'm
>>> not
>>>>> a die
>>>>> hard Mac person,in fact I'm going to build a PC to run PARIS on,it
>>>>> makes
>>>>> more sense.
>>>>> PC motherboards still offer PCI slots,and buying an old Mac that boots
>>> to
>>>>> OS9 is a step backwards. All I'm saying is don't let your feelings
>>>>> about
>>>>> Steve Jobs stop you from making a move to a Mac if it gives you more
>>>>> options.
>>>>> Lets face it,Thad and James represent two extremes of opinions,I'm
> talking
>>>>> about options as far as
>>>>> software goes,yes hardware wise PC's have more options,but as was
>>>>> already
>>>>> stated
>>>>> they both have the same or some of the same hardware so I give the Mac
>>> the
>>>>> advantage to Mac for software options. Thats My point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is saving 90 plus dollars worth it?
>>>>>
>>>>> respect
>>>>> Nappy
>>>>> PS please respond
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/14/07 8:48 PM, in article 45aaeb8d$1@linux, "Nappy"
>>>>>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel
>>> core
>>>>>>> Xeon
>>>>>>> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris
>>> Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Nappy -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From Newegg.com,
>>>>>> dual 2.66 Xeon
>>>>>> Gigabyte server motherboard,
>>>>>> 1G Corsair DDR2 Ram (2x512),
>>>>>> 250G Western Digital SATA 3G drive
>>>>>> NVidia GeForce 7300 256M card
>>>>>> Sony DVD/CD combo drive (+/- DVDR), 16x
>>>>>> Antec power supply
>>>>>> Coolermaster case
>>>>>> Windows XP Pro SP2 with free upgrade to Vista:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $2356 shipped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure what motherboard or drives Apple uses - I think our last Mac
>>>>>> used Samsung. Memory and DVD/CD drive - also not sure. So I may
>>>>>> have
>>> spent
>>>>>> more than necessary on this example. Apple also probably gets a bulk
>>> rate
>>>>>> on cpus so that can save a little over paying $700 each as an
>>>>>> individual
>>>>>> buyer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fwiw....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Well, I have been really testing my system lately.
I have been putting a lot more time in in the studio
ramping up for some real customers.
Unfortunately I am very disappointed in the performance of my comp.
This is the first time I have really tried to record with the XP
OS.
I was planning on using Cubase as my mixing software and PARIS just as tracking.
That may be the way to go, but I just cant bring myself to leae PARIS. Ugh...
I have been riddled with blue screens during playback, Que errors, PARIS
not closing all the way after closiing it out(stays active in the task manager
& doesnt disconnect from MECs). This is a brand new comp..the fastest I could
afford at the time and it is running like crap with PARIS. CUbase seems pretty
stable...actually everything else seems stable. Crap.... This is frustrating.
I really dont want to suffer the embaressment of rebooting the comp every
half hour with a client. That would blow.
I am thinking about switching back to WIN98.
Shit!
Shit!
Shit!
Ok I am getting pissed off... I need to go and not think about it.
On a lighter note the recording is coming along at a satifactory rate. I
am pleased with what I have come up with thus far in regards to how my mixes
are sounding.
Its really quite enjoyable..
I really need to get a FM transmitter so I dont need to bun so many test
CDs though.
BConfigure your computer as a dual boot machine and use Win ME for Paris. It
sounds to me like you've got some IRQ issues with the EDS card(s) sharing
with either your video card or whatever else you are using for Cubase SX.
check your device manager so see how your ITRQ's are being shared. Paris
runs nicely on Win ME, but it won't if work any better then XP if you've got
an IRQ conflict. . You're on the right track however. Tracking in Paris and
mixing in Cubase is a dream come true.
Deej
"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45abfb08$1@linux...
>
> Well, I have been really testing my system lately.
> I have been putting a lot more time in in the studio
> ramping up for some real customers.
> Unfortunately I am very disappointed in the performance of my comp.
> This is the first time I have really tried to record with the XP
> OS.
> I was planning on using Cubase as my mixing software and PARIS just as
> tracking.
> That may be the way to go, but I just cant bring myself to leae PARIS.
> Ugh...
> I have been riddled with blue screens during playback, Que errors, PARIS
> not closing all the way after closiing it out(stays active in the task
> manager
> & doesnt disconnect from MECs). This is a brand new comp..the fastest I
> could
> afford at the time and it is running like crap with PARIS. CUbase seems
> pretty
> stable...actually everything else seems stable. Crap.... This is
> frustrating.
> I really dont want to suffer the embaressment of rebooting the comp every
> half hour with a client. That would blow.
> I am thinking about switching back to WIN98.
> Shit!
> Shit!
> Shit!
> Ok I am getting pissed off... I need to go and not think about it.
> On a lighter note the recording is coming along at a satifactory rate. I
> am pleased with what I have come up with thus far in regards to how my
> mixes
> are sounding.
> Its really quite enjoyable..
> I really need to get a FM transmitter so I dont need to bun so many test
> CDs though.
>
> BAnd you were wondering what to get her for her birthday; )
http://apcmag.com/4985/tech_toys_turn_sexy_literally
James
P.S. This is compatible with the BlackBerry!lol
DJ wrote:
> Well I'll be hornswaggled....... I didn't know you guys built laptops. I was
> thinking that a couple of quad core CPUs might work in one if I took a
> chainsaw and.........
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:45abf6df@linux...
>> Hi Thad,
>> Why yes I do as a matter of fact.
>>
>> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =112&saved_id=9603
>>
>> It's got card bas and express card (you can only use one or the other not
>> both)
>>
>> The firewire work s fine on most audio devices but I have seen some issues
>> with the Presonus Firebox with it but the RME. M-Audio and TC stuff is
>> working fine so far.
>> Don't know how well its Linux driver support may be though..:)
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> All of which is perfectly understandable, but doesn't help me get my HDSP
>>> RPM running now does it ;-)
>>>
>>> Do you know of any laptops that are higher performance, reasonably
>>> priced,
>>> and still have cardbus slots?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote
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Fri, 22 December 2006 09:25 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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/>
>
>There are plenty of arguments for owning a Mac, the biggest one being personal
>preference. I was only seeking to put another of them to bed, that they
use
>bending end components that put their hardware in another class than what
>I use. Quite simply, they don't, and the move to generic Intel hardware
makes
>that quite clear.
>
>TCB
Not to worry! you can get an IT guy to upgrade the Dell lap top with a video
camera! LOL!
http://guides.macrumors.com/images/4/4b/GetAMaciSight.png
>
>I like Macs because
>>like it
>>or not they have software that I use that only runs on a Mac and I can
run
>>any
>>software that runs on XP on it as well and from were i sit thats makes
good
>>sense to me. Now if they come out with a PC version of Aperture and Logic
>>then I'll get
>>a PC. Sure I'd like to run OSX on a PC,but hating Steve Jobs is not going
>>to stop me
>>from using the software I want. Remember the old saying,"Find the software
>>you want to use and pick the platform that supports it" The Mac supports
>>both
>>platforms.
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>How many tracks can that webcam record and play back?
>>>
>>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aa864c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> And a web cam built in it.
>>>>
>>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
>>>> I
>>>>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo
>>lap
>>>>>>tops
>>>>>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
>>
>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple
>>>>>>>manufactured
>>>>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units
>>that
>>>>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole
new
>>>> ball
>>>>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
>>>> from
>>>>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
>>>> that
>>>>>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>>processors.
>>>>>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an
>>>>>>>>equivalent
>>>>>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their
>>
>>>>>>>>machines.
>>>>>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
>>>> $1300
>>>>>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive
>and
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical
>>
>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had
>>
>>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone
>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end
>>>>>>>>>models?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
>>>> low
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro
has
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I
>>>>>>>>>imagine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to
>>gain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and
>
>>>>>>>>>software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and
change
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop
>
>>>>>>>>>designs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness.
>>For
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not
>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their
>>
>>>>>>>>>form
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry
>>you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>had to infec
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---=_linux45ac0d1a--"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Well I'll be hornswaggled....... I didn't know you guys built laptops. I
was
>thinking that a couple of quad core CPUs might work in one if I took a
>chainsaw and.........
>
>;o)
>
>
That would make you the Red Green of CO.
www.redgreen.com
http://www.redgreen.com/index.cfm?app=cart&a=onair
>
>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>news:45abf6df@linux...
>> Hi Thad,
>> Why yes I do as a matter of fact.
>>
>> http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/saved_system.cfm?systemid =112&saved_id=9603
>>
>> It's got card bas and express card (you can only use one or the other
not
>> both)
>>
>> The firewire work s fine on most audio devices but I have seen some issues
>> with the Presonus Firebox with it but the RME. M-Audio and TC stuff is
>> working fine so far.
>> Don't know how well its Linux driver support may be though..:)
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>> All of which is perfectly understandable, but doesn't help me get my
HDSP
>>> RPM running now does it ;-)
>>>
>>> Do you know of any laptops that are higher performance, reasonably
>>> priced,
>>> and still have cardbus slots?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Thad,
>>>> There are still some technology hurdles on the express card side of
>>>> things. The spec is still a bit grey.
>>>> Also RME have stated on their forum about some companies coming out
with
>>>
>>>> card bus to express card adapter that look promising. I think they are
>>>> on a wait and see how they work rather than investing resources on it.
>>>> There is a much larger user base for the pci cards so they rightfully
>>>> are starting with those first.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> Sadly, no mention of ExpressCard. I would hope that's next.
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>> this just posted to the RME forum:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The HDSPe PCI Card and the HDSPe MADI card are newly engineered=20
>>>>>> PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors. Still based on RME's
>>>>>> famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the new PCI-Express
>>>>>> core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance with
>>>>>> the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all newer
>>>>>> motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core ensures
>>>>>> full update capability via RME's Secure Flash technology,
>>>>>> for further hardware and driver updates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card that provides
>>>>>> RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the
>>>>>> Multiface,
>>>>>> Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned and used
>>>>>> by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.
>>>>>> If users are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution
>>>>>> combined with ultimate compatibility, these devices are still
>>>>>> state of the art. The Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine
>>>>>> some of the highest possible audio transmission rates and low-latency
>>>>>> features you can realize with card-based interface techniques,
>>>>>> faster than most serial solutions; combined with flexible
>>>>>> connectivity.
>>>>>> Artists and studios all over the world rely on these combinations.
>>>>>> With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the existing range
>>>>>> of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is secured.
>>>>>> As a special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared
>>>>>> to support the use of the TCO, RME's Time Code Option,
>>>>>> with Multiface/II and Digiface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products
>>>>>> as it is now the interfacing flagship to the MADI world.
>>>>>> The HDSPe MADI card offers a powerful 128 I/O-channel computer
>>>>>> connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel modes as well as
>>>>>> Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64 playback
>>>>>> channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 physical outputs.
>>>>>> The HDSPe MADI turns every "state of the art" computer
>>>>>> into a powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).
>>>>>> The HDSPe MADI offers the most powerful router/mixer
>>>>>> implemented on a single PCI-Express card ever.
>>>>>> Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,
>>>>>> the new PCI-Express version offers several advantages,
>>>>>> like support for higher sample rates than 96 kHz,
>>>>>> TCO support and lower latency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both cards come with drivers for Windows XP (multi-client operation
>>>>>> of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and brandnew Windows Vista drivers.
>>>>>> Apple users are perfectly served with Power PC and X86 (Intel)
>>>>>> drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from March 2007.
>>>>>> The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.
>>>>>> The pricing will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI
>>>>>> card=20
>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmm..........if I don't get one of these,
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Fri, 22 December 2006 09:48 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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I might.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>> </HEAD>
>>>>>> <BODY>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this just posted to the RME =
>>>>>> forum:</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>The HDSPe PCI Card and the
=
>>>>>> HDSPe MADI card=20
>>>>>> are newly engineered <BR>PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors.
>>> =
>>>>>> Still=20
>>>>>> based on RME's<BR>famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality
>>>>>> the
>>>>> =
>>>>>> new=20
>>>>>> PCI-Express<BR>core ensures full compatibility and maximum
>>>>>> performance=20
>>>>>> with<BR>the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all=20
>>>>>> newer<BR>motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core
=
>>>>>> ensures<BR>full=20
>>>>>> update capability via RME=92s Secure Flash technology,<BR>for further
>>> =
>>>>>> hardware and=20
>>>>>> driver updates.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1
>>>>>> card
>>>>> =
>>>>>> that=20
>>>>>> provides<BR>RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used
in
>>> the
>>>>> =
>>>>>> Multiface,<BR>Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned
>>> =
>>>>>> and=20
>>>>>> used<BR>by ten thousands of audio professionals around the
>>>>>> planet.<BR>If
>>>>> =
>>>>>> users=20
>>>>>> are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution<BR>combined
>>> =
>>>>>> with=20
>>>>>> ultimate compatibility, these devices are still<BR>state of the art.
>>> The
>>>>> =
>>>>>> Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine<BR>some of the highest
=
>>>>>> possible=20
>>>>>> audio transmission rates and low-latency<BR>features you can realize
>>> =
>>>>>> with=20
>>>>>> card-based interface techniques,<BR>faster than most serial solutions;
>>> =
>>>>>> combined=20
>>>>>> with flexible connectivity.<BR>Artists and studios all over the world
>>> =
>>>>>> rely on=20
>>>>>> these combinations.<BR>With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of
the
>>> =
>>>>>> existing=20
>>>>>> range<BR>of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is =
>>>>>> secured.<BR>As a=20
>>>>>> special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared<BR>to support
>>> the
>>>>> =
>>>>>> use of=20
>>>>>> the TCO, RME=92s Time Code Option,<BR>with Multiface/II and =
>>>>>> Digiface.<BR><BR>The=20
>>>>>> HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products<BR>as
it
>>> is
>>>>> =
>>>>>> now the=20
>>>>>> interfacing flagship to the MADI world.<BR>The HDSPe MADI card offers
>>> a
>>>>> =
>>>>>> powerful=20
>>>>>> 128 I/O-channel computer<BR>connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel
>>> =
>>>>>> modes as=20
>>>>>> well as<BR>Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64=20
>>>>>> playback<BR>channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 =
>>>>>> physical=20
>>>>>> outputs.<BR>The HDSPe MADI turns every =93state of the art=94 =
>>>>>> computer<BR>into a=20
>>>>>> powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).<BR>The HDSPe MADI offers
the
>>> =
>>>>>> most=20
>>>>>> powerful router/mixer<BR>implemented on a single PCI-Express card=20
>>>>>> ever.<BR>Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,<BR>the new
>>> =
>>>>>> PCI-Express=20
>>>>>> version offers several advantages,<BR>like support for higher sample
>>> =
>>>>>> rates than=20
>>>>>> 96 kHz,<BR>TCO support and lower latency.<BR><BR>Both cards come with
>>> =
>>>>>> drivers=20
>>>>>> for Windows XP (multi-client operation<BR>of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0)
>>> and
>>>>> =
>>>>>> brandnew Windows Vista drivers.<BR>Apple users are perfectly served
>>>>>> with
>>>>> =
>>>>>> Power=20
>>>>>> PC and X86 (Intel)<BR>drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI=20
>>>>>> support.<BR><BR>The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from
=
>>>>>> March=20
>>>>>> 2007.<BR>The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.<BR>The
>>> =
>>>>>> pricing=20
>>>>>> will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
>>>>>> <BR>products.</EM></FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></EM> </DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmm..........if I don't get one
of
>>> =
>>>>>> these, I=20
>>>>>> might.......</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
>James,
The Windows vibrator blows this thing away. It's called Windows Fista ( I
can't believe I just typed that!) and it's much more powerful. I've never
had one in my hand, but here's some of the tech info. The clock speed is
30,000 rpm as opposed to 15,000, it supports a wider throughput, and allows
for much greater peripheral expansion. It's also a full Gigabyte longer than
the iDong. It only runs on XP right now, but the Vista Fista drivers should
be out early next quarter. The hype surrounding the iDong is just another
attempt by Jobs and company to get a rise out of the Windows community. As
usual, Jobs is just flopping his "you know what" around.
Tony
Disclaimer: The above post was made in extremely bad taste and if I offended
anyone on the newsgroup, I'm very sorry. I guess I'm just feeling saucy
today.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45ac07e5$1@linux...
>
> And you were wondering what to get her for her birthday; )
>
> http://apcmag.com/4985/tech_toys_turn_sexy_literally
>
> James
>
> P.S. This is compatible with the BlackBerry!
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:58tnq2pnsldlas4fh46v0v42re6jdo50jt@4ax.com...
> global warming. i grew up in detroit and there were many sub-zero
> nights i played hockey in. it helped take the sting out of a slap
> shot to the shins without pads many a night.
>
I'd be more concerned with the residual effects of the shots to the head
there Rick"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>James,
>
>The Windows vibrator blows this thing away. It's called Windows Fista (
I
>can't believe I just typed that!) and it's much more powerful. I've never
>had one in my hand, but here's some of the tech info. The clock speed is
>30,000 rpm as opposed to 15,000, it supports a wider throughput, and allows
>for much greater peripheral expansion. It's also a full Gigabyte longer
than
>the iDong. It only runs on XP right now, but the Vista Fista drivers should
>be out early next quarter. The hype surrounding the iDong is just another
>attempt by Jobs and company to get a rise out of the Windows community.
As
>usual, Jobs is just flopping his "you know what" around.
>
>Tony
I'm sure your right Tony, I'm sure the Window version really blows; ) The
Windows Fista, looks soooo much bigger! But for the Hardcore Windows user
it would cum in real handy. It would really fit some of the real anal user.
Sorry, I couldn't resist either!
Just kidding around guy! Ditto on the disclaimer.
>
>Disclaimer: The above post was made in extremely bad taste and if I offended
>anyone on the newsgroup, I'm very sorry. I guess I'm just feeling saucy
>today.
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45ac07e5$1@linux...
>>
>> And you were wondering what to get her for her birthday; )
>>
>> http://apcmag.com/4985/tech_toys_turn_sexy_literally
>>
>> James
>>
>> P.S. This is compatible with the BlackBerry!
>>
>>
>
>Enjoy...
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/FoxhuntRoughMixA.mp3
NeilWell, I've never really been dissatisfied with my ASUS based native DAW but
I've just about got Windows up and running on this board with an XP 64 4800
x 2 CPU. This system, without even being optomized for audio, feels
significantly faster than my native based on an ASUS A8V-Deluxe mobo running
an AMD 64 4400 x 2 CPU. I've also got an AMD 64 4200 CPU here that I was
previously running in my ASUS DAW but didn't notice any huge performance
gain when I switched to the 4400. Is there something significantly different
about the 4800's? Maybe a different architecture or maybe it's the NForce
chipset on the Gigabyte board? Maybe a bit of both? Could the VIA chipset on
the ASUS board be a real dog in comparison? I heard some talk that the
NVidia chipsets were much superior to others but I've never successfully
used one before and since the ASUS DAW is fast and stable, I really hadn't
been jonesin' for better performance. This new NForce 3 system system is a
real screamer. Of course, the mobo is discontinued and hard to find. Another
cool thing about it is the ability to manually assign IRQ's to the various
PCI slots.
Stay tuned.
;o)Hey, I'm from eastern Montana . . . you're makin' me homesick. The stars
get so incredibly bright when it gets that cold.
Sarah
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45aba7fa@linux...
> Major pucker factor. I've spent a little time in Ontario and the Michigan
> UP in the 70's and 80's but it didn't get this cold when I was there.
>
> Yikes!!!
>
>
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Fri, 22 December 2006 10:46 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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/>
>This mobo is looking pretty versatile. there are 5 PCI slots, two of which
share an IRQ, but none of them are hardwired with the AGP. If I disable the
serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus. Of course,
interfacing a Magma or two full of PCI cards is bound to complicate this,
but I figure if I can interface two Magmas on an ASUS board with much more
limited options, I can likely get this board happening. If this works out as
I hope, I may have to find me a couple more of these mobo's. his may be one
of the best of the last generation of AGP/PCI based mobos. If it does as I
hope I'll understand why they are so hard to find..
;o)
Deej
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2120@linux...
> Well, I've never really been dissatisfied with my ASUS based native DAW
> but I've just about got Windows up and running on this board with an XP 64
> 4800 x 2 CPU. This system, without even being optomized for audio, feels
> significantly faster than my native based on an ASUS A8V-Deluxe mobo
> running an AMD 64 4400 x 2 CPU. I've also got an AMD 64 4200 CPU here that
> I was previously running in my ASUS DAW but didn't notice any huge
> performance gain when I switched to the 4400. Is there something
> significantly different about the 4800's? Maybe a different architecture
> or maybe it's the NForce chipset on the Gigabyte board? Maybe a bit of
> both? Could the VIA chipset on the ASUS board be a real dog in comparison?
> I heard some talk that the NVidia chipsets were much superior to others
> but I've never successfully used one before and since the ASUS DAW is fast
> and stable, I really hadn't been jonesin' for better performance. This new
> NForce 3 system system is a real screamer. Of course, the mobo is
> discontinued and hard to find. Another cool thing about it is the ability
> to manually assign IRQ's to the various PCI slots.
> Stay tuned.
>
> ;o)
>If I disable the
> serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus
Actually, make that 5 x IRQ's that can be assigned between the 4 x avaliable
PCI slots (since slot 1 & 5 are hardwired). This might seem unimportant, but
it's not because my colorgraphics Xentera Quad AGP uses 2 x IRQ's and this
extra IRQ might provide some major flexibility in configuring lots of
variables.
.............anyway, I thought you Mac guys should know about this.
;oD
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2b77$1@linux...
> This mobo is looking pretty versatile. there are 5 PCI slots, two of which
> share an IRQ, but none of them are hardwired with the AGP. If I disable
> the serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus. Of course,
> interfacing a Magma or two full of PCI cards is bound to complicate this,
> but I figure if I can interface two Magmas on an ASUS board with much more
> limited options, I can likely get this board happening. If this works out
> as I hope, I may have to find me a couple more of these mobo's. his may be
> one of the best of the last generation of AGP/PCI based mobos. If it does
> as I hope I'll understand why they are so hard to find..
>
> ;o)
> Deej
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2120@linux...
>> Well, I've never really been dissatisfied with my ASUS based native DAW
>> but I've just about got Windows up and running on this board with an XP
>> 64 4800 x 2 CPU. This system, without even being optomized for audio,
>> feels significantly faster than my native based on an ASUS A8V-Deluxe
>> mobo running an AMD 64 4400 x 2 CPU. I've also got an AMD 64 4200 CPU
>> here that I was previously running in my ASUS DAW but didn't notice any
>> huge performance gain when I switched to the 4400. Is there something
>> significantly different about the 4800's? Maybe a different architecture
>> or maybe it's the NForce chipset on the Gigabyte board? Maybe a bit of
>> both? Could the VIA chipset on the ASUS board be a real dog in
>> comparison? I heard some talk that the NVidia chipsets were much superior
>> to others but I've never successfully used one before and since the ASUS
>> DAW is fast and stable, I really hadn't been jonesin' for better
>> performance. This new NForce 3 system system is a real screamer. Of
>> course, the mobo is discontinued and hard to find. Another cool thing
>> about it is the ability to manually assign IRQ's to the various PCI
>> slots.
>> Stay tuned.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>
>DJ can I disable serial ports etc.. and get extra IRQs on my MB?
How do ou do this?
I am using an ASUS board as well.
I forget the exact model, but it is only a couple years old and is a DELUXE
model.
B
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>If I disable the
>> serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
>> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus
>
>Actually, make that 5 x IRQ's that can be assigned between the 4 x avaliable
>PCI slots (since slot 1 & 5 are hardwired). This might seem unimportant,
but
>it's not because my colorgraphics Xentera Quad AGP uses 2 x IRQ's and this
>extra IRQ might provide some major flexibility in configuring lots of
>variables.
>
>............anyway, I thought you Mac guys should know about this.
>
>;oD
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2b77$1@linux...
>> This mobo is looking pretty versatile. there are 5 PCI slots, two of which
>> share an IRQ, but none of them are hardwired with the AGP. If I disable
>> the serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
>> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus. Of course,
>> interfacing a Magma or two full of PCI cards is bound to complicate this,
>> but I figure if I can interface two Magmas on an ASUS board with much
more
>> limited options, I can likely get this board happening. If this works
out
>> as I hope, I may have to find me a couple more of these mobo's. his may
be
>> one of the best of the last generation of AGP/PCI based mobos. If it
does
>> as I hope I'll understand why they are so hard to find..
>>
>> ;o)
>> Deej
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2120@linux...
>>> Well, I've never really been dissatisfied with my ASUS based native DAW
>>> but I've just about got Windows up and running on this board with an
XP
>>> 64 4800 x 2 CPU. This system, without even being optomized for audio,
>>> feels significantly faster than my native based on an ASUS A8V-Deluxe
>>> mobo running an AMD 64 4400 x 2 CPU. I've also got an AMD 64 4200 CPU
>>> here that I was previously running in my ASUS DAW but didn't notice any
>>> huge performance gain when I switched to the 4400. Is there something
>>> significantly different about the 4800's? Maybe a different architecture
>>> or maybe it's the NForce chipset on the Gigabyte board? Maybe a bit of
>>> both? Could the VIA chipset on the ASUS board be a real dog in
>>> comparison? I heard some talk that the NVidia chipsets were much superior
>>> to others but I've never successfully used one before and since the ASUS
>>> DAW is fast and stable, I really hadn't been jonesin' for better
>>> performance. This new NForce 3 system system is a real screamer. Of
>>> course, the mobo is discontinued and hard to find. Another cool thing
>>> about it is the ability to manually assign IRQ's to the various PCI
>>> slots.
>>> Stay tuned.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Would 90ms really matter if you were streaming directly from Cubase to Paris
in a mix scenario? As long as the tracks were being played back from Cubase
SX with PDC using a VST>VST interface, the delay wouldn't be an issue
because you would be applying your automation in Cubase, not Paris. The
advantage to this would be that it would allow 24 bit transfers and would
allow Paris to run on Win XP without the ADAT moduleissues or the 24bit>20
bit (inaudible) truncation. this would, however, require 3 x Magma chassis
on one mobo. One would have the $EDS cards, one would have the native system
cards and one would have the UAD-1 cards. Paris will share with the UAD-1
cards, but not with RME or Creamware cards and neither RME or Creamware
cards will share IRQ with UAD-1 cards. I actually have 3 Magmas here (2 x
13's and 1 x 7 slot) which are loaded each with the respective cards. I also
have another 13 slot Magma here in reserve that I could use to achieve a bit
more flexibility IRQ wise if the 7 slot unit throws me an IRQ wild card. I
guess I'll have to try this with my new mobo and dualcore AMD 4800 CPU.
wouldn't it be the **** if it actually worked? LOL!!!!
Stay tuned.
;o)
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45abc8eb$1@linux...
>
> Dear Chuck.
> I have tried all.
> This demo has a fixed latency at 90 ms !!
> Even if you lower its settings it can't go under 45ms with Paris.
> Don't know if the retail version can do lower but I doubt it.
> They have big latency if they work at all...
> Only senderella works 0 latency if you put edstransfer 8,16
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK - so I found that the plug I have been working on already exists. It's
>>called streamboy and is available at www.elevayta.com. Can a couple of
> you
>>guys try it between paris and another host and let me know how it goes?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Chuck
>Hold down the delete key and oot your computer to enter the BIOS. Go the
area of you BIOS where you enable/disable different hardware functions and
disable the serial and parallel parts. These usually use IRQ 3 and 7 and
those are good to have.
Deej
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45ac2f0b$1@linux...
>
> DJ can I disable serial ports etc.. and get extra IRQs on my MB?
> How do ou do this?
> I am using an ASUS board as well.
> I forget the exact model, but it is only a couple years old and is a
> DELUXE
> model.
>
> B
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>If I disable the
>>> serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
>>> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus
>>
>>Actually, make that 5 x IRQ's that can be assigned between the 4 x
>>avaliable
>
>>PCI slots (since slot 1 & 5 are hardwired). This might seem unimportant,
> but
>>it's not because my colorgraphics Xentera Quad AGP uses 2 x IRQ's and this
>
>>extra IRQ might provide some major flexibility in configuring lots of
>>variables.
>>
>>............anyway, I thought you Mac guys should know about this.
>>
>>;oD
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2b77$1@linux...
>>> This mobo is looking pretty versatile. there are 5 PCI slots, two of
>>> which
>
>>> share an IRQ, but none of them are hardwired with the AGP. If I disable
>
>>> the serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
>
>>> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus. Of course,
>
>>> interfacing a Magma or two full of PCI cards is bound to complicate
>>> this,
>
>>> but I figure if I can interface two Magmas on an ASUS board with much
> more
>>> limited options, I can likely get this board happening. If this works
> out
>>> as I hope, I may have to find me a couple more of these mobo's. his may
> be
>>> one of the best of the last generation of AGP/PCI based mobos. If it
> does
>>> as I hope I'll understand why they are so hard to find..
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2120@linux...
>>>> Well, I've never really been dissatisfied with my ASUS based native DAW
>
>>>> but I've just about got Windows up and running on this board with an
> XP
>>>> 64 4800 x 2 CPU. This system, without even being optomized for audio,
>
>>>> feels significantly faster than my native based on an ASUS A8V-Deluxe
>
>>>> mobo running an AMD 64 4400 x 2 CPU. I've also got an AMD 64 4200 CPU
>
>>>> here that I was previously running in my ASUS DAW but didn't notice any
>
>>>> huge performance gain when I switched to the 4400. Is there something
>
>>>> significantly different about the 4800's? Maybe a different
>>>> architecture
>
>>>> or maybe it's the NForce chipset on the Gigabyte board? Maybe a bit of
>
>>>> both? Could the VIA chipset on the ASUS board be a real dog in
>>>> comparison? I heard some talk that the NVidia chipsets were much
>>>> superior
>
>>>> to others but I've never successfully used one before and since the
>>>> ASUS
>
>>>> DAW is fast and stable, I really hadn't been jonesin' for better
>>>> performance. This new NForce 3 system system is a real screamer. Of
>>>> course, the mobo is discontinued and hard to find. Another c
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TCB
Messages: 1261
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ool thing
>
>>>> about it is the ability to manually assign IRQ's to the various PCI
>>>> slots.
>>>> Stay tuned.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>DJ - any downside that you can see from the A8V (re; UADs, RME, etc)?
If this board is that much better, I may grab one to swap out with my A8V
Deluxe.
This will become a farm system in a month or two anyway, but having some
extra speed
and more flexible config wouldn't hurt.
Regards,
Dedric
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2dbc@linux...
> If I disable the
>> serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
>> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus
>
> Actually, make that 5 x IRQ's that can be assigned between the 4 x
> avaliable PCI slots (since slot 1 & 5 are hardwired). This might seem
> unimportant, but it's not because my colorgraphics Xentera Quad AGP uses 2
> x IRQ's and this extra IRQ might provide some major flexibility in
> configuring lots of variables.
>
> ............anyway, I thought you Mac guys should know about this.
>
> ;oD
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2b77$1@linux...
>> This mobo is looking pretty versatile. there are 5 PCI slots, two of
>> which share an IRQ, but none of them are hardwired with the AGP. If I
>> disable the serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for
>> four slot assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus.
>> Of course, interfacing a Magma or two full of PCI cards is bound to
>> complicate this, but I figure if I can interface two Magmas on an ASUS
>> board with much more limited options, I can likely get this board
>> happening. If this works out as I hope, I may have to find me a couple
>> more of these mobo's. his may be one of the best of the last generation
>> of AGP/PCI based mobos. If it does as I hope I'll understand why they are
>> so hard to find..
>>
>> ;o)
>> Deej
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2120@linux...
>>> Well, I've never really been dissatisfied with my ASUS based native DAW
>>> but I've just about got Windows up and running on this board with an XP
>>> 64 4800 x 2 CPU. This system, without even being optomized for audio,
>>> feels significantly faster than my native based on an ASUS A8V-Deluxe
>>> mobo running an AMD 64 4400 x 2 CPU. I've also got an AMD 64 4200 CPU
>>> here that I was previously running in my ASUS DAW but didn't notice any
>>> huge performance gain when I switched to the 4400. Is there something
>>> significantly different about the 4800's? Maybe a different architecture
>>> or maybe it's the NForce chipset on the Gigabyte board? Maybe a bit of
>>> both? Could the VIA chipset on the ASUS board be a real dog in
>>> comparison? I heard some talk that the NVidia chipsets were much
>>> superior to others but I've never successfully used one before and since
>>> the ASUS DAW is fast and stable, I really hadn't been jonesin' for
>>> better performance. This new NForce 3 system system is a real screamer.
>>> Of course, the mobo is discontinued and hard to find. Another cool thing
>>> about it is the ability to manually assign IRQ's to the various PCI
>>> slots.
>>> Stay tuned.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>
>>
>
>The stars look like they are 10 feet away tonight. It looks like the sky is
made of black velvet with crushed crystal scattered all over it.
;o)
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:45ac267c$1@linux...
> Hey, I'm from eastern Montana . . . you're makin' me homesick. The stars
> get so incredibly bright when it gets that cold.
>
> Sarah
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45aba7fa@linux...
>> Major pucker factor. I've spent a little time in Ontario and the Michigan
>> UP in the 70's and 80's but it didn't get this cold when I was there.
>>
>> Yikes!!!
>>
>>
>>
>
>Dedric,
I will be running some tests here. My work schedule is pretty loaded right
now so it will be slower going than usual. the thing I need to determine for
sure is if this mobo chipset is compatible with my UAD-1 and Creamware
hardware. Since I'm still summing in Paris, if the CW cards aren't happy,
I've still got the 2 x RME HDSP 9652's and the Multiface here that I could
try. I think it was Chris Ludwig who told me that this mobo was compatible
with UAD-1 cards and I've had good feedback in my inquiries to Ali at
Creamware about it's compatibility with the SCOPE system so I'm hopeful.
I'll probably load up Cubase SX and my UAD-1 cards next weekend and see what
happens. If this works, my A8V system will be relegated to farm unit status
as well.
Cheers,
Deej
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message news:45ac3399$1@linux...
> DJ - any downside that you can see from the A8V (re; UADs, RME, etc)?
> If this board is that much better, I may grab one to swap out with my A8V
> Deluxe.
> This will become a farm system in a month or two anyway, but having some
> extra speed
> and more flexible config wouldn't hurt.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2dbc@linux...
>> If I disable the
>>> serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for four slot
>>> assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus
>>
>> Actually, make that 5 x IRQ's that can be assigned between the 4 x
>> avaliable PCI slots (since slot 1 & 5 are hardwired). This might seem
>> unimportant, but it's not because my colorgraphics Xentera Quad AGP uses
>> 2 x IRQ's and this extra IRQ might provide some major flexibility in
>> configuring lots of variables.
>>
>> ............anyway, I thought you Mac guys should know about this.
>>
>> ;oD
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2b77$1@linux...
>>> This mobo is looking pretty versatile. there are 5 PCI slots, two of
>>> which share an IRQ, but none of them are hardwired with the AGP. If I
>>> disable the serial and parallel ports, I have 4 x IRQ's available for
>>> four slot assignments none of which share with the AGP or firewire bus.
>>> Of course, interfacing a Magma or two full of PCI cards is bound to
>>> complicate this, but I figure if I can interface two Magmas on an ASUS
>>> board with much more limited options, I can likely get this board
>>> happening. If this works out as I hope, I may have to find me a couple
>>> more of these mobo's. his may be one of the best of the last generation
>>> of AGP/PCI based mobos. If it does as I hope I'll understand why they
>>> are so hard to find..
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45ac2120@linux...
>>>> Well, I've never really been dissatisfied with my ASUS based native DAW
>>>> but I've just about got Windows up and running on this board with an XP
>>>> 64 4800 x 2 CPU. This system, without even being optomized for audio,
>>>> feels significantly faster than my native based on an ASUS A8V-Deluxe
>>>> mobo running an AMD 64 4400 x 2 CPU. I've also got an AMD 64 4200 CPU
>>>> here that I was previously running in my ASUS DAW but didn't notice any
>>>> huge performance gain when I switched to the 4400. Is there something
>>>> significantly different about the 4800's? Maybe a different
>>>> architecture or maybe it's the NForce chipset on the Gigabyte board?
>>>> Maybe a bit of both? Could the VIA chipset on the ASUS board be a real
>>>> dog in comparison? I heard some talk that the NVidia chipsets were much
>>>> superior to others but I've never successfully used one before and
>>>> since the ASUS DAW is fast and stable, I really hadn't been jonesin'
>>>> for better performance. This new NForce 3 system system is a real
>>>> screamer. Of course, the mobo is discontinued and hard to find. Another
>>>> cool thing about it is the ability to manually assign IRQ's to the
>>>> various PCI slots.
>>>> Stay tuned.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>I'm desperate to get Paris up and running again. It was working great until
I got a new 20" widescreen LCD about 6 months ago...
The new display meant a new graphics card that could drive the native resolution
(1680x1050)... sounds simple.
First some background, my machine is a PIII-600E, 512MB RAM, Asus motherboard,
etc. Old beast really but more than adequate for my Paris needs (2 x EDS1000)
cause I primarily use the Paris DSP and not many plugs. Win98SE.
Problem: find an AGP card with Win98 drivers that can do 1680x1050. I bought
some Asus card with GeForce but it's HIGHLY unstable. Machine freezes (fresh
install of 98).
I could move to XP I guess, but them I'm up for more money than what the
machine is worth!
Or, I'd consider a whole new machine. But i'm so out of touch with paris
compatibility etc, and not even sure if there's still any manufacturers making
PC's with the right PCI voltages for the EDS cards? If there was a cheap
Dell I'd probably jump in, and give my PARIS a boost of a long life yet.
Other than PARIS, I've been using a MacBook running Ableton Live. Nice workflow
for fun projects.
So, am I dreaming or ? Worst case I could put my old graphics card back (a
G400) and run non-native resolution to the LCD :(Some Aussie users have reported success with the Gigabyte K8Ns Ultra 939
mobo and an AMD 64 3600 CPU. I'm getting ready to test one of these with an
AMD 62 4800 x 2 processor and 3 x EDS cards. the voltage is compatible and
it would likely support your video card.
Here's an Aussie link.
http://www.shopbot.com.au/p-11152.html
I have e-mailed a couple of them tonight because I want another one of these
boards and they are no longer available in the US.
Don't give up hope mate.
Cheers,
Deej
"Pete Alec" <petealec@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:45ac42d2$1@linux...
>
> I'm desperate to get Paris up and running again. It was working great
> until
> I got a new 20" widescreen LCD about 6 months ago...
>
> The new display meant a new graphics card that could drive the native
> resolution
> (1680x1050)... sounds simple.
>
> First some background, my machine is a PIII-600E, 512MB RAM, Asus
> motherboard,
> etc. Old beast really but more than adequate for my Paris needs (2 x
> EDS1000)
> cause I primarily use the Paris DSP and not many plugs. Win98SE.
>
> Problem: find an AGP card with Win98 drivers that can do 1680x1050. I
> bought
> some Asus card with GeForce but it's HIGHLY unstable. Machine freezes
> (fresh
> install of 98).
>
> I could move to XP I guess, but them I'm up for more money than what the
> machine is worth!
>
> Or, I'd consider a whole new machine. But i'm so out of touch with paris
> compatibility etc, and not even sure if there's still any manufacturers
> making
> PC's with the right PCI voltages for the EDS cards? If there was a cheap
> Dell I'd probably jump in, and give my PARIS a boost of a long life yet.
>
> Other than PARIS, I've been using a MacBook running Ableton Live. Nice
> workflow
> for fun projects.
>
> So, am I dreaming or ? Worst case I could put my old graphics card back (a
> G400) and run non-native resolution to the LCD :(
>
>Thanks DJ - I'm onto it now - none of the local computer shops sold this board
any longer when I tried last year!
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Some Aussie users have reported success with the Gigabyte K8Ns Ult
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Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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m/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogic-Alpha.html" target="_blank"> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>SSL
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>More SSL
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>
>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105There's Apogiee Symphony, but it's mac. If you going to run it for audio
only, what difference does the computer make if it will run your favorite
software?
The only other PCI choice I can think of is M-Audio Delta 1010. Hook up
four of them for 32 analog I/Os, four stereo SP/DIFs. You can have these
upgraded by Black Lion.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010-main.html
http://www.blacklionaudio.com/maudio_delta_1010.html
There are other choices, but they are PCI FW, or PCI Light Pipe
RME
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/HD192/
Have Black Lion upgrade it.
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/24IO/
http://www.blacklionaudio.com/motu_firewire_mod.html
There's Apogiee Symphony, but it's mac. If you going to run it for audio
only, what difference does the computer make if it will run your favorite
software?
James
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>Remember, Cubase have been sold two times the last years. If I am remember
correctly, it's a Yamaha product now. With new owners, there will allways be
"new ways to go" and here it seems to start with Cubase 4.
Erling
"John" <no@no.com> skrev i melding news:45afece4$1@linux...
>
> In the Cubase case my understanding is that the users were promised a
> patch.
> I could be wrong but that's what I think I'm hearing. I think this guy
> named Edmund told them SOON. hahahaforgot to drink you water again did ya?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:51:02 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>
>However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and Barbara
>Boxer were born.
>
>Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>at least the "wise guys" seem to think so. "“I know the human being
and fish can coexist peacefully.”"
On 19 Jan 2007 16:34:13 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>These folks don't need Bush as a comparative in order to qualify......;o)
>>
>>
>
>I admit that Dean comes of a little crazy now and then, but Bush is much
>more likely to be an actual alien from outer space. Even Dean doesn’t think
>the earth is only 6000 years old!
>
>Only an alien would say this.
>
>“I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.”
>
>LOLsplains a lot...;o)
On 19 Jan 2007 15:46:55 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>When I was a kid I use to drink Bush. Hey I was on a budget; )
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>
>>>However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>>>Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and Barbara
>>
>>>Boxer were born.
>>>
>>>Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Please don’t tell me that the last vestiges of Bush support in the world
>>are all gathered on the Paris users group!!the aurora...lynx now has a pci-e card.
On 19 Jan 2007 18:15:45 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105If the moderators were ACTIVE there would be sanity there. Instead it's a
romper room. I love how you guys defend companies for changing their positions
and refer to the customers who expect the companies to do what they promise
as whiners.
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Totally agree on the deleting the Cubase.net.
>Steinberg let way to many "users" get out of control. They made the
>common mistake of being intimidated by the yellers and screams always
>demanding and insisting. The site should be run like a private users
>support forum not public forum. It seems to have ended up like RAP did a
>few years ago. Chock full of bullies and little or no constructive ideas.
>
>
>BTW Sonar 32 bit works better on 64 bit than sonar 64 bit does. Sonar 64
>bit's bit bridge scam has so many performance bugs in it its hilarious.
>
>Cubase works great on windows 64 pro and can use the extra ram. They do
>need to get the full 64 bit version going and I sure hope they don't
>pull any of the crap Sonar did in claiming to be fully 64 bit.
>
>And the UAD stuff is working great on win 64 so far.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>
>>A moderator (or rep) at Cubase.net said they would release a final
>>maintenance release for SX 3,
>>but in the most recent announcement they said they met and figured out
they
>>had overestimated their
>>resources. So instead of working on SX 3.x.y they were going to work on
>>64-bit capability for Cubase 4/Nuendo.
>>
>>For some reason, that makes a lot of sense to me - work on the new release,
>>rather than the old one, then
>>duplicate that work again in the new release later.
>>
>>And then factor in that users have been crying just as loudly about 64-bit,
>>Vista, keeping up with Sonar,
>>ProTools and the Joneses. What if SB had said, due to the time it took
to
>>complete SX 3.x.y, we will
>>have to delay Cubase 4.x and Nuendo 4another 2 months. The response would
>>have been identical -
>>furor, anger, cries of broken promises, etc. It never changes on
>>Cubase.net. Only the logic conveniently changes,
>>but never the discontent.
>>
>>The best thing Steinberg could ever do for marketing would be to hit the
>>delete button on Cubase.net.
>>They need a lot of work in other areas, but that would be a good start,
>>imho.
>>
>>I can think of a lot worse treatment of users by other companies than the
>>Cubase world is crying about now.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45afece4$1@linux...
>>
>>
>>>In the Cubase case my understanding is that the users were promised a
>>>patch.
>>>I could be wrong but that's what I think I'm hearing. I think this guy
>>>named Edmund told them SOON. hahaha
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762BTW, I'm glad I didn't BUY any DirectX plugs or I would be mad !
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>If the moderators were ACTIVE there would be sanity there. Instead it's
a
>romper room. I love how you guys defend companies for changing their positions
>and refer to the customers who expect the companies to do what they promise
>as whiners.
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>Totally agree on the deleting the Cubase.net.
>>Steinberg let way to many "users" get out of control. They made the
>>common mistake of being intimidated by the yellers and screams always
>>demanding and insisting. The site should be run like a private users
>>support forum not public forum. It seems to have ended up like RAP did
a
>
>>few years ago. Chock full of bullies and little or no constructive ideas.
>>
>>
>>BTW Sonar 32 bit works better on 64 bit than sonar 64 bit does. Sonar 64
>
>>bit's bit bridge scam has so many performance bugs in it its hilarious.
>>
>>Cubase works great on windows 64 pro and can use the extra ram. They do
>
>>need to get the full 64 bit version going and I sure hope they don't
>>pull any of the crap Sonar did in claiming to be fully 64 bit.
>>
>>And the UAD stuff is working great on win 64 so far.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>
>>>A moderator (or rep) at Cubase.net said they would release a final
>>>maintenance release for SX 3,
>>>but in the most recent announcement they said they met and figured out
>they
>>>had overestimated their
>>>resources. So instead of working on SX 3.x.y they were going to work
on
>
>>>64-bit capability for Cubase 4/Nuendo.
>>>
>>>For some reason, that makes a lot of sense to me - work on the new release,
>
>>>rather than the old one, then
>>>duplicate that work again in the new release later.
>>>
>>>And then factor in that users have been crying just as loudly about 64-bit,
>
>>>Vista, keeping up with Sonar,
>>>ProTools and the Joneses. What if SB had said, due to the time it took
>to
>>>complete SX 3.x.y, we will
>>>have to delay Cubase 4.x and Nuendo 4another 2 months. The response would
>
>>>
|
|
|
|
| Re: (No subject)...What's up inder the hood? [message #77337 is a reply to message #77333] |
Fri, 22 December 2006 18:14 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
ween either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762I was sondering the same thing. Alesis products have hisorically been good
bang-for-the-$$$$
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b06082$1@linux...
>
> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the
> Alesis
> MasterControl will be.
>
>
> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>
> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>
> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>
> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>
> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>
> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
> SSL
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
> More SSL
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>
> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105Have you noticed how Kennedy sort of broadens his "A's" when he
speaks....instead of Boston he pronounces it Baaaaaaston?
Now we know why. Now, in the spirit of bipartisanship, I'm going to go see
if I can commune with a trout.
;o)
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p051r2lprn3a043h1pq4r9ra7rv4pd8cp8@4ax.com...
> at least the "wise guys" seem to think so. ""I know the human being
> and fish can coexist peacefully.""
>
>
>
> On 19 Jan 2007 16:34:13 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>These folks don't need Bush as a comparative in order to qualify......;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I admit that Dean comes of a little crazy now and then, but Bush is much
>>more likely to be an actual alien from outer space. Even Dean doesn't
>>think
>>the earth is only 6000 years old!
>>
>>Only an alien would say this.
>>
>>"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."
>>
>>LOL
>Hey, I wasn't any where near Canada back then. As a friend used to say, after
the first ten, it all taste the same; )
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>splains a lot...;o)
>
>On 19 Jan 2007 15:46:55 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>When I was a kid I use to drink Bush. Hey I was on a budget; )
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>
>>>>However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>>>>Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
Barbara
>>>
>>>>Boxer were born.
>>>>
>>>>Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Please don’t tell me that the last vestiges of Bush support in the world
>>>are all gathered on the Paris users group!!
>Thought you would like it:
http://www.frogview.com/show.php?file=883Get mad anyway!!! I can definitely send you some so you'll have a reason to
be pissed that you can't use them. ;o)
I agree that the moderators seldom showed up though, unless someone posted
something that might lead them to believe that cracked software was being
used. then they showed up big time. The "romper room" factor was large (good
analogy). I never had the problems that some had with SX and did try to help
a few folks from time to time, but the place was so ugly, I didn't post
there much. That's the job of the Steinyfolk, IMO. BTW, from what I've seen,
the only DAW interface uglier than Pro Tools is probably Cubase 4. Did they
get their inspiration from Tomb Raider, or what?
;o)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45b0bbf8$1@linux...
>
> BTW, I'm glad I didn't BUY any DirectX plugs or I would be mad !
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>If the moderators were ACTIVE there would be sanity there. Instead it's
> a
>>romper room. I love how you guys defend companies for changing their
>>positions
>>and refer to the customers who expect the companies to do what they
>>promise
>>as whiners.
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Totally agree on the deleting the Cubase.net.
>>>Steinberg let way to many "users" get out of control. They made the
>>>common mistake of being intimidated by the yellers and screams always
>>>demanding and insisting. The site should be run like a private users
>>>support forum not public forum. It seems to have ended up like RAP did
> a
>>
>>>few years ago. Chock full of bullies and little or no constructive ideas.
>>>
>>>
>>>BTW Sonar 32 bit works better on 64 bit than sonar 64 bit does. Sonar 64
>>
>>>bit's bit bridge scam has so many performance bugs in it its hilarious.
>>>
>>>Cubase works great on windows 64 pro and can use the extra ram. They do
>>
>>>need to get the full 64 bit version going and I sure hope they don't
>>>pull any of the crap Sonar did in claiming to be fully 64 bit.
>>>
>>>And the UAD stuff is working great on win 64 so far.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>
>>>>A moderator (or rep) at Cubase.net said they would release a final
>>>>maintenance release for SX 3,
>>>>but in the most recent announcement they said they met and figured out
>>they
>>>>had overestimated their
>>>>resources. So instead of working on SX 3.x.y they were going to work
> on
>>
>>>>64-bit capability for Cubase 4/Nuendo.
>>>>
>>>>For some reason, that makes a lot of sense to me - work on the new
>>>>release,
>>
>>>>rather than the old one, then
>>>>duplicate that work again in the new release later.
>>>>
>>>>And then factor in that users have been crying just as loudly about
>>>>64-bit,
>>
>>>>Vista, keeping up with Sonar,
>>>>ProTools and the Joneses. What if SB had said, due to the time it took
>>to
>>>>complete SX 3.x.y, we will
>>>>have to delay Cubase 4.x and Nuendo 4another 2 months. The response
>>>>would
>>
>>>>have been identical -
>>>>furor, anger, cries of broken promises, etc. It never changes on
>>>>Cubase.net. Only the logic conveniently changes,
>>>>but never the discontent.
>>>>
>>>>The best thing Steinberg could ever do for marketing would be to hit the
>>
>>>>delete button on Cubase.net.
>>>>They need a lot of work in other areas, but that would be a good start,
>>
>>>>imho.
>>>>
>>>>I can think of a lot worse treatment of users by other companies than
> the
>>
>>>>Cubase world is crying about now.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45afece4$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In the Cubase case my understanding is that the users were promised a
>>
>>>>>patch.
>>>>>I could be wrong but that's what I think I'm hearing. I think this guy
>>>>>named Edmund told them SOON. hahaha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>SSL Launches Mixpander
http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4095
James
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>>Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>>SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>>Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>>MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>(raises hand)........I like their stuff too!!!
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45b0d9dd$1@linux...
>
> I've never been able to understand why PSP isn't a better known and more
> respected
> name. I think they make superb softwarew that is almost freakishly stable.
> Oh well, more cool stuff for me.
>
> TCB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here are some things you guys might want to check out.
>>
>>PSP Vintage Warmer Gets Hotter
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4025
>>
>>Apogee For MacBook Pro
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4068
>>
>>Use Ensemble Without A Computer
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4080
>>
>>Altiverb 6 Released
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4009
>>
>>Woodpecker Active Ribbon Microphone
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4081
>>
>>Melodyne cre8/studioNow In Version 3.2
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4065
>>
>>MIDI Control Rendered Obsolete?
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4057
>>
>>Drum Samples Recorded At Ocean Way
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4050
>Hey Neil.. Do a search on my Rant about the Middle ground DAW. Aka .the 3k-6k
Setup..Not to be found.
These socalled manufacturers are all( Like James M) has stated are only interrested
in the Bedroom, first time beginner to hobyist market. It takes them off
the hook of demand semi pors to pros.
Then, you have the BS#, so called Boutique audio market. Companies charging
ungodly amounts of money for old designed that design to stamp a foot-print
signature on you audio. Rediculous!!
For all the gains and strides we've made since the much coveted 1997(Paris's
Birth on the market), we'v eseem to have taken 10 steps backwards.. Sad,
really sad..
No Balls Namm.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
>
>Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>trying.
>
>SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>
>ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>$150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>
>This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>what we all really need....
>
>We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>if we need 'it.
>
>We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>dynamics sitting right here.
>
>We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>interface combined with a console master section because
>someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>monochrome green screen in the center.
>
>..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>
>Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>feature sets on some of their gear!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>>Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>>Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>>Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html<
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| Re: (No subject)...What's up inder the hood? [message #77340 is a reply to message #77337] |
Fri, 22 December 2006 18:25 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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n't have any
noticeable loss of fidelity if I keep the overall mix level at
around -10dBfs and then strap the 5042 across the mix bus insert and crank
the Neve line amps to make up the gain by around 8dB (I wish this thing had
an option for incremental 1dB stepped gain on both the level and saturation
functions) and follow it with a the UAD-1 limiter as a peakstop.The whole
point of this is to see if I can get what I'm looking for sonically by using
Cubase. I've got v4 on the way and if the control room function gives me the
flexibility I need and my new Gigabyte mobo/4800 CPU gives me the
horsepower, I'm going to make a pretty serious effort to start tracking with
the CW cards on a native platform and see if I can live with it. The CW
drivers function very well at 3ms latency and the new mobo has a Silicon
Image SATA controller which should give me good read/write results from HD's
during heavier track count projects. Otherwise, I'll just keep tracking to
Paris. No problems there. I just want to simplify (gawd, I can't believe I
used the "s" word)
I do have a feeling though that if this works, and me not being a synth guy
and all, if I decide to go with a 100% native platform, it will be with one
of the new RME PCIe cards.
;o)
>
> I've been mixing a rock'n'roll song using the SX/SFP combo and like it a
> lot. I'm doing 'stems' but only because I'm grouping tracks and f/x on the
> way to the Scope mixer. I'll post results soon.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Well, I figured that since this doesn't need constant
>>maintenance/calibration and it doesn't draw 10 amps, it wouldn't really
> show
>>me much but I have made a very interesting discovery.
>>
>>I have a 38 track mix going here. It's the Russ Long produced song that
>
>>comes of his instructional DVD called Marianna. I figured I'd use this
>>since
>
>>it's fairly large track count and has a lot of everything as far as
>>instrumentation goes (acoustic guitar, electric 12 string, electric 6
>>string, piano, B-3, Mellotron lots o harmony vocals, etc.
>>
>>Anyway, I'm streaming this from Cubase SX into Paris and summing there.
> I've
>>got Mytek A/D and D/A converters here so I'm routing the Neve tape gadget
>
>>through those and strapping it across the mix bus.
>>
>>Well I enable external insert across the global bus and start
>>playback....sounds soft and thick but a bit veilled so I tweak it a bit
> and
>>it clears up so I disable the global insert and Paris just jumps out of
> the
>>speakers. It's about 4dB hotter than the Neve box on insert so I boost the
>
>>line amp on the Neve and ya know, when I flip them back and forth, the
>>Paris
>
>>mix bus is sounding uncannily like the Neve tape emulator. I'm not kiddin
>
>>around here. There is a little bit of difference in the dimensionality and
>
>>sound, but, so far, they can be made to sound almost exactly alike and in
> a
>>dense mix like this it's pretty obvious that there is some similar kind
> of
>>mojo happening with both Paris and the Neve...which means that I've now
>
>>otten myself into a situation where I'm going to have to test this mix
>>using
>
>>Paris only, Paris with the Neve box, Cubase ITB and cubase with the Neve
>
>>box.
>>
>>Now the "real" question is, will this Neve tape emulator make the Cubase
> mix
>>bus sound like the Paris mix bus if the Cubase mix is properly gainstaged?
> I
>>don't even want to do the stem gainstaging, just a good ol' ITB mix with
>
>>track levels and panning done in SX and then strap this 5042 across the
> main
>>mix. The guy who owns this Neve box is the guy who I've been helping with
>
>>the studio install this week. He's coming over this afternoon. He may need
>
>>this back for a session over the weekend and I know he wants to compare
> this
>>to what he's getting by tracking to tape on his Otari deck, but next week
>
>>he's leaving town for two weeks and I'm pretty sure I can get him to let
> me
>>test drive this box for a while while he's gone.
>>
>>I'm really shocked at how similar the Paris mix buss sounds to what omes
> out
>>the backside of this box when it is serially inserted.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>John,
I understand your frustration, but it isn't so much about defending the
company as taking an objective perspective on what they really did say,
rather than what a forum likes to think they are saying - SB did apologize,
and were honest about the specific reason they weren't updating SX3 anymore,
and it makes a lot of sense. I would do the same if I were in their shoes,
except I would probably be a bit less tactful when the users whined like
that on Cubase.net....phrases like "get a job, if you are old enough" or
"call us when you are making a living with our product" come to mind.
If I worked for Steinberg, there is not way I would step foot on the Cubase
forum. I don't bother there anymore. I've seen many professional users
attempt to post logically and respectfully, only to get flamed for no good
reason. You can't blame Steinberg or moderators. To clean it up would mean
deleting 90% of the users registered there. Companies can only change their
products - not the people who buy them.
Would the response be any different if they said "In order to release on
last maintenance update for SX 3, we will have to delay the release of
Cubase 4.1 and Nuendo 4 by 3 months"? No, it would be just as vehement and
just as unrealistic. I read both announcements by Steinberg, as well as the
announcement about Nuendo 4 posted this morning - all three are to the
point, truthful and realistic. They aren't trying to pull the wool over
anyone's eyes.
No offense, but it really comes down to deciding if you can get work done
with what you have, or you can only work with what you don't have.
Nuendo 3 works beautifully here. It's paying my bills where worrying about
an unfulfilled promise never will. If Cubase 4 doesn't suit you and SX 3
doesn't work for whatever reason, then perhaps you should consider upgrading
to Nuendo 3.
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/19/07 6:38 AM, in article 45b0bbcc$1@linux, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
> If the moderators were ACTIVE there would be sanity there. Instead it's a
> romper room. I love how you guys defend companies for changing their
> positions
> and refer to the customers who expect the companies to do what they promise
> as whiners.
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> Totally agree on the deleting the Cubase.net.
>> Steinberg let way to many "users" get out of control. They made the
>> common mistake of being intimidated by the yellers and screams always
>> demanding and insisting. The site should be run like a private users
>> support forum not public forum. It seems to have ended up like RAP did a
>
>> few years ago. Chock full of bullies and little or no constructive ideas.
>>
>>
>> BTW Sonar 32 bit works better on 64 bit than sonar 64 bit does. Sonar 64
>
>> bit's bit bridge scam has so many performance bugs in it its hilarious.
>>
>> Cubase works great on windows 64 pro and can use the extra ram. They do
>
>> need to get the full 64 bit version going and I sure hope they don't
>> pull any of the crap Sonar did in claiming to be fully 64 bit.
>>
>> And the UAD stuff is working great on win 64 so far.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>
>>> A moderator (or rep) at Cubase.net said they would release a final
>>> maintenance release for SX 3,
>>> but in the most recent announcement they said they met and figured out
> they
>>> had overestimated their
>>> resources. So instead of working on SX 3.x.y they were going to work on
>
>>> 64-bit capability for Cubase 4/Nuendo.
>>>
>>> For some reason, that makes a lot of sense to me - work on the new release,
>
>>> rather than the old one, then
>>> duplicate that work again in the new release later.
>>>
>>> And then factor in that users have been crying just as loudly about 64-bit,
>
>>> Vista, keeping up with Sonar,
>>> ProTools and the Joneses. What if SB had said, due to the time it took
> to
>>> complete SX 3.x.y, we will
>>> have to delay Cubase 4.x and Nuendo 4another 2 months. The response would
>
>>> have been identical -
>>> furor, anger, cries of broken promises, etc. It never changes on
>>> Cubase.net. Only the logic conveniently changes,
>>> but never the discontent.
>>>
>>> The best thing Steinberg could ever do for marketing would be to hit the
>
>>> delete button on Cubase.net.
>>> They need a lot of work in other areas, but that would be a good start,
>
>>> imho.
>>>
>>> I can think of a lot worse treatment of users by other companies than the
>
>>> Cubase world is crying about now.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45afece4$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>> In the Cubase case my understanding is that the users were promised a
>
>>>> patch.
>>>> I could be wrong but that's what I think I'm hearing. I think this guy
>>>> named Edmund told them SOON. hahaha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>Now if they just had Windows drivers, they could have a market for these
(sorry.....I'm feeling feisty today.new coffee recipe)
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b0eba7@linux...
>
> Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
> Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>
> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087I almost got excited when I saw this yesterday until I realized it's just a
repackaged Soundscape interface.
Dedric
On 1/19/07 9:44 AM, in article 45b0e74b$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> SSL Launches Mixpander
> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4095
>
> James
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>> And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>> interface amongst 'em.
>>
>> Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>> trying.
>>
>> SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>> to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>>
>> ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>> special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>> bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>> 9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>> that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>> us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>> we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>> could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>> $150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>>
>> This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>> and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>> what we all really need....
>>
>> We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>> analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>> Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>> Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>> lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>> 24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>> baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>> if we need 'it.
>>
>> We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>> charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>> Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>> dynamics sitting right here.
>>
>> We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>> at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>> mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>> of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>> channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>> unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>> mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>> interface combined with a console master section because
>> someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>> 8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>> monochrome green screen in the center.
>>
>> ..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>> control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>> and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>> one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>> that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>> DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>> section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>> Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>>
>> Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>> companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>> more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>> money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>> just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>> think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>> were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>> feature sets on some of their gear!
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the Alesis
>>> MasterControl will be.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series
>>> .html
>>>
>>> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>>
>>> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>>
>>> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.
>>> html
>>>
>>> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>>>
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.htm>>>
l
>>>
>>> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>> SSL
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.ht
>>> ml
>>> More SSL
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Shi
>>> ps.html
>>> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restorati
>>> on-Suite.html
>>>
>>> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>
>New Analog Mixers From Yamaha
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4042
Universal Audio unveils the UAD-Xpander – the worlds first expresscard product
for laptop audio dsp/mixing
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4036
RME Launch PCI-Express Cards
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4047
gig-fx Launches The Quiet Cable With Quiet Button Technology
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/gigfx/PR/Qui et-Cable.html
Don't forget the hot chicks and guitars:
http://www.deanguitars.com/webcast/I think these are made by Apogee, FWIW....at least SS was advertizing a
similar looking Apogee branded interface a few years ago. If it's Apogee, it
ain't gonna' be cheap.
An RME HDSP 9652 with 24 Apogee/Mytek/Lucid, etc. AD/DA's interfacing via
lightpipe would cover the 16+ AD/DA reauirement for a "pro* DAW.
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C1D63B03.6CD0%dterry@keyofd.net...
>I almost got excited when I saw this yesterday until I realized it's just a
> repackaged Soundscape interface.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 1/19/07 9:44 AM, in article 45b0e74b$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> SSL Launches Mixpander
>> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4095
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>>> interface amongst 'em.
>>>
>>> Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
>>> trying.
>>>
>>> SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
>>> to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?
>>>
>>> ALSO, could someone please convince Microsoft to release a
>>> special slimmed-down, streamlined version of XP without all the
>>> bloat, that's optimized for audio, and that doesn't have
>>> 9-zillion printer drivers & all that shit we don't need, and
>>> that won't try to download 8 security updates a week, because
>>> us DAW'ers are savvy enough to keep our rigs offline unless
>>> we need to download a plugin update or the like, and that they
>>> could probably sell three or four million of 'em globally at
>>> $150 bucks apiece right off the bat if they did this?
>>>
>>> This higher-end home & mid-level project studio market is huge,
>>> and I think nearly every company out there is missing out on
>>> what we all really need....
>>>
>>> We don't need interfaces that have 2 built-in mic pres, four
>>> analog line-in's & a SPDIF... we each have a rackful of Great
>>> Rivers, Avalons, API's, Forssell's, Millennia's, Grace's,
>>> Chandler's, Massenburg's, etc... NONE of which have SPDIF or
>>> lightpipe outs... we don't need yer crappy pre's, we need 16 or
>>> 24 or 32 channels of BALANCED ANALOG inputs interfaced via PCI,
>>> baby. Sell us a SPDIF & lightpipe option for $100 - $200 more
>>> if we need 'it.
>>>
>>> We don't really need a softlimit feature that you want to
>>> charge us an extra couple hundred bucks for, as we have
>>> Summitt, dbx, FMR, UA, CraneSong, and Empirical Labs outboard
>>> dynamics sitting right here.
>>>
>>> We also don't need a unit that does MIDI control for 8 channels
>>> at a time if you want to toggle between groups of 8 with your
>>> mouse, which is just as non-tactile as using your mouse for all
>>> of it to begin with, when most of us are well into 30 or 40+
>>> channels on a lot of our projects in the first place, but said
>>> unit also serves as a monitor level control and has two crappy
>>> mic pres and a SPDIF in, so they think it's kinda like an
>>> interface combined with a console master section because
>>> someone who had a hand in designing it saw an SSL once & it had
>>> 8 sets of VCA group faders below the monitor controls & the 6"
>>> monochrome green screen in the center.
>>>
>>> ..........HOWEVER... what we COULD perhaps use is a compact
>>> control surface that would do 32 tactile channels at a time -
>>> and be selectable between either MIDI control and maybe even
>>> one other protocol, and has three sets of knobs per channel
>>> that can be assignable to EQ bands or aux sends, and that
>>> DOESN'T have two crappy mic pres and a shitty active monitor
>>> section since we already have a Presonus Central Station, or a
>>> Mackie Big Knob, or a Coleman passive monitor control, etc.
>>>
>>> Am I the only one that's noticing this? It's like all these
>>> companies are ceding the high end range to Digi, and going to
>>> more of the entry level stuff, when it seems there is SO much
>>> money to be made in the zone between those two extremes (fuck,
>>> just look at what we've all already spent on mics & pres...
>>> think of how much we'd be willing spend on other stuff if it
>>> were useful! LOL), if they would just combine the right
>>> feature sets on some of their gear!
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the
>>>> Alesis
>>>> MasterControl will be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series
>>>> .html
>>>>
>>>> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>>>
>>>> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>>>
>>>> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.
>>>> html
>>>>
>>>> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>>> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>>>>
> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.htm>>>
> l
>>>>
>>>> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>>> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>>> SSL
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.ht
>>>> ml
>>>> More SSL
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Shi
>>>> ps.html
>>>> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restorati
>>>> on-Suite.html
>>>>
>>>> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>>
>>
>As somebody vary smart once said, "I don't care what the hardware is, as long
as it doesn't get in the way of the software".
It was my sister, she's a CIO of a vary big company. She was written up
in a business magazine as number 3 of the five most powerful women in my
state. When she talks I try to listen, but she still my sister: )
James
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Now if they just had Windows drivers, they could have a market for these
>
>(sorry.....I'm feeling feisty today.new coffee recipe)
>
>;o)
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45b0eba7@linux...
>>
>> Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>> Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>
>> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>
>dude, swimmin' with da fishies ain't a good thang.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:29:40 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>Have you noticed how Kennedy sort of broadens his "A's" when he
>speaks....instead of Boston he pronounces it Baaaaaaston?
>Now we know why. Now, in the spirit of bipartisanship, I'm going to go see
>if I can commune with a trout.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:p051r2lprn3a043h1pq4r9ra7rv4pd8cp8@4ax.com...
>> at least the "wise guys" seem to think so. ""I know the human being
>> and fish can coexist peacefully.""
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 Jan 2007 16:34:13 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>These folks don't need Bush as a comparative in order to qualify......;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I admit that Dean comes of a little crazy now and then, but Bush is much
>>>more likely to be an actual alien from outer space. Even Dean doesn't
>>>think
>>>the earth is only 6000 years old!
>>>
>>>Only an alien would say this.
>>>
>>>"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."
>>>
>>>LOL
>>
>strohs and fire brewed lake st. claire...nummy.
On 20 Jan 2007 02:33:50 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Hey, I wasn't any where near Canada back then. As a friend used to say, after
>the first ten, it all taste the same; )
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>splains a lot...;o)
>>
>>On 19 Jan 2007 15:46:55 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>When I was a kid I use to drink Bush. Hey I was on a budget; )
>>>
>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>>unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>>ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>>This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>>up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>>nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>>Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>>>>>Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
>Barbara
>>>>
>>>>>Boxer were born.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please don’t tell me that the last vestiges of Bush support in the world
>>>>are all gathered on the Paris users group!!
>>you're confusing alexis with alesis for the good bang for the buck
ratio thing.
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:20:40 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>I was sondering the same thing. Alesis products have hisorically been good
>bang-for-the-$$$$
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45b06082$1@linux...
>>
>> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the
>> Alesis
>> MasterControl will be.
>>
>>
>> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>
>> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>
>> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>
>> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>
>> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>
>> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>> SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>> More SSL
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>
>> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>Hey Neil,
About the XP stuff. A base XP install from an SPS2 disk only starts a few
services, and you can disable most of them. And if security patches bother
you, right click on your network interface and select 'disable' and you're
good to go.
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
>interface amongst 'em.
&g
|
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| Re: (No subject)...What's up inder the hood? [message #77343 is a reply to message #77340] |
Fri, 22 December 2006 23:39 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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|
ay NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>>>nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>>>Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>>>>>>Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
>>Barbara
>>>>>
>>>>>>Boxer were born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please don’t tell me that the last vestiges of Bush support in the world
>>>>>are all gathered on the Paris users group!!
>>>
>Still trying to commune with a trout here. I'll have to get back to you on
additional interfacing options.
;oP
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vks1r2hf338lf2es1fomltrgb2p3t490o9@4ax.com...
> you're confusing alexis with alesis for the good bang for the buck
> ratio thing.
>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:20:40 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I was sondering the same thing. Alesis products have hisorically been good
>>bang-for-the-$$$$
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45b06082$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the
>>> Alesis
>>> MasterControl will be.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>>
>>> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>>
>>> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>>
>>> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>>
>>> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>>
>>> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>> SSL
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>> More SSL
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>>
>>> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>
>Actually no, I haven't. It doesn't cost nearly enough.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45b0f501$1@linux...
>
> Have you tried the Vintage Warmer as a Neve Portico tape sim substitute?
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>(raises hand)........I like their stuff too!!!
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45b0d9dd$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I've never been able to understand why PSP isn't a better known and more
>
>>> respected
>>> name. I think they make superb softwarew that is almost freakishly
>>> stable.
>>> Oh well, more cool stuff for me.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Here are some things you guys might want to check out.
>>>>
>>>>PSP Vintage Warmer Gets Hotter
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4025
>>>>
>>>>Apogee For MacBook Pro
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4068
>>>>
>>>>Use Ensemble Without A Computer
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4080
>>>>
>>>>Altiverb 6 Released
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4009
>>>>
>>>>Woodpecker Active Ribbon Microphone
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4081
>>>>
>>>>Melodyne cre8/studioNow In Version 3.2
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4065
>>>>
>>>>MIDI Control Rendered Obsolete?
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4057
>>>>
>>>>Drum Samples Recorded At Ocean Way
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4050
>>>
>>
>>
>I lost it on a snowmobile going about 60mph on Lake St. Claire in Feb 1980.
I must have bounced and skidded for half a mile. Luckily the snowmobile went
one way and I went another. Thank god for snowmobile suits.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fis1r25vd7j2kqqpngsigqgdpk9gfilb8j@4ax.com...
> strohs and fire brewed lake st. claire...nummy.
>
> On 20 Jan 2007 02:33:50 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>e
>>Hey, I wasn't any where near Canada back then. As a friend used to say,
>>after
>>the first ten, it all taste the same; )
>>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>splains a lot...;o)
>>>
>>>On 19 Jan 2007 15:46:55 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>When I was a kid I use to drink Bush. Hey I was on a budget; )
>>>>
>>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>>>unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>>>ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>>>This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>>>up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>>>nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>>>Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>>>>>>Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
>>Barbara
>>>>>
>>>>>>Boxer were born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please don't tell me that the last vestiges of Bush support in the
>>>>>world
>>>>>are all gathered on the Paris users group!!
>>>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Have you tried the Vintage Warmer as a Neve Portico tape sim substitute?
>
Not DJ but.
VW – Reasonably good software compressor. It does a fairly good job on drum
buss or general 2-buss work. The mix control is nice for parallel style work.
As a substitute for real analog or tape…not for me. I only like it in high
res without any synthetic “crunch”.
Yes…I was playing around with V2 demo today.
For crunch I like the Masssey Tape-Head, McDSP, Chandler plugs, UAD Fairchild,
Sony Inflator and Colortone Pro all better than VW.
GeneI actually love cubase 4 and think it kicks the snot out of paris but I do
wish the moderators would take charge of their forum. I would.I already have them ALL. I am in love now though. The Princeton Digital
Reverb Stereo Room / Vocal Chamber setting has stolen my heart. hehe
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Get mad anyway!!! I can definitely send you some so you'll have a reason
to
>be pissed that you can't use them. ;o)
>
>I agree that the moderators seldom showed up though, unless someone posted
>something that might lead them to believe that cracked software was being
>used. then they showed up big time. The "romper room" factor was large (good
>analogy). I never had the problems that some had with SX and did try to
help
>a few folks from time to time, but the place was so ugly, I didn't post
>there much. That's the job of the Steinyfolk, IMO. BTW, from what I've seen,
>the only DAW interface uglier than Pro Tools is probably Cubase 4. Did they
>get their inspiration from Tomb Raider, or what?
>
>;o)
>
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45b0bbf8$1@linux...
>>
>> BTW, I'm glad I didn't BUY any DirectX plugs or I would be mad !
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If the moderators were ACTIVE there would be sanity there. Instead it's
>> a
>>>romper room. I love how you guys defend companies for changing their
>>>positions
>>>and refer to the customers who expect the companies to do what they
>>>promise
>>>as whiners.
>>>
>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>Totally agree on the deleting the Cubase.net.
>>>>Steinberg let way to many "users" get out of control. They made the
>>>>common mistake of being intimidated by the yellers and screams always
>>>>demanding and insisting. The site should be run like a private users
>>>>support forum not public forum. It seems to have ended up like RAP did
>> a
>>>
>>>>few years ago. Chock full of bullies and little or no constructive ideas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>BTW Sonar 32 bit works better on 64 bit than sonar 64 bit does. Sonar
64
>>>
>>>>bit's bit bridge scam has so many performance bugs in it its hilarious.
>>>>
>>>>Cubase works great on windows 64 pro and can use the extra ram. They
do
>>>
>>>>need to get the full 64 bit version going and I sure hope they don't
>>>>pull any of the crap Sonar did in claiming to be fully 64 bit.
>>>>
>>>>And the UAD stuff is working great on win 64 so far.
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>A moderator (or rep) at Cubase.net said they would release a final
>>>>>maintenance release for SX 3,
>>>>>but in the most recent announcement they said they met and figured out
>>>they
>>>>>had overestimated their
>>>>>resources. So instead of working on SX 3.x.y they were going to work
>> on
>>>
>>>>>64-bit capability for Cubase 4/Nuendo.
>>>>>
>>>>>For some reason, that makes a lot of sense to me - work on the new
>>>>>release,
>>>
>>>>>rather than the old one, then
>>>>>duplicate that work again in the new release later.
>>>>>
>>>>>And then factor in that users have been crying just as loudly about
>>>>>64-bit,
>>>
>>>>>Vista, keeping up with Sonar,
>>>>>ProTools and the Joneses. What if SB had said, due to the time it took
>>>to
>>>>>complete SX 3.x.y, we will
>>>>>have to delay Cubase 4.x and Nuendo 4another 2 months. The response
>>>>>would
>>>
>>>>>have been identical -
>>>>>furor, anger, cries of broken promises, etc. It never changes on
>>>>>Cubase.net. Only the logic conveniently changes,
>>>>>but never the discontent.
>>>>>
>>>>>The best thing Steinberg could ever do for marketing would be to hit
the
>>>
>>>>>delete button on Cubase.net.
>>>>>They need a lot of work in other areas, but that would be a good start,
>>>
>>>>>imho.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can think of a lot worse treatment of users by other companies than
>> the
>>>
>>>>>Cubase world is crying about now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45afece4$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In the Cubase case my understanding is that the users were promised
a
>>>
>>>>>>patch.
>>>>>>I could be wrong but that's what I think I'm hearing. I think this
guy
>>>>>>named Edmund told them SOON. hahaha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>
>How many people have had problems getting Paris 3.0 license transfered? How
many days has it taken? I'm thinking we should start keeping a public recored.
Thanks
JamesHow do you know Ed wears panties?
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:45b021f9$1@linux...
>
> Hey I have an idea, why don't all 11 of us remaining paris users get
> together
> and tie eds panties around his ankles?
>
> Whaddya think?
>
>
> "Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>I thought this is why we have a for sale group... I have witnessed others
>
>>getting the "rough over" treatment for posting for sale stuff here. Just
>
>>pointing out... be fair with everyone...
>>
>>
>>
>>"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:45ad5b64$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Ok my friends...it's time:(
>>> I may not have been the MOST frequent poster here, but thank You for
>>> all assistance over the past 7 years...wow, thats a long time:)
>>> I'm selling out - here we go:
>>>
>>> 3 MEC's (1 black, 2 blue)
>>> 3 C 16 (1 black, 2 blue)
>>> 4 EDS 1000 + cables for inter-connection.
>>> 3 A8oT-24 output cards
>>> 2 A8iT-24 Input cards
>>> 1 ADAT card
>>> 1 Alesis AI3
>>>
>>> (2 of those MEC's have NEVER been used.)
>>> Anyone? :)
>>>
>>> CJG
>>>
>>
>>
>;o)
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:03:56 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>Still trying to commune with a trout here. I'll have to get back to you on
>additional interfacing options.
>
>;oP
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:vks1r2hf338lf2es1fomltrgb2p3t490o9@4ax.com...
>> you're confusing alexis with alesis for the good bang for the buck
>> ratio thing.
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:20:40 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I was sondering the same thing. Alesis products have hisorically been good
>>>bang-for-the-$$$$
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45b06082$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Here is more stuff to check out. I'm wondering what the price on the
>>>> Alesis
>>>> MasterControl will be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mackie Unveils Next-Generation Mackie Control Pro Series
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Mackie/PR/Co ntrol-Pro-Series.html
>>>>
>>>> Genex and Tonelux Announce 48-Channel Mic Pre/A to D Converter
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Tonelux/PR/S tage-Box.html
>>>>
>>>> Neutrik Introduces Industry's First Crimp-XLR Series At Winter NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Neutrik/PR/C rimp-XLR.html
>>>>
>>>> Focusrite Unveils The Saffire PRO 10 i/o
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Focusrite/PR /Saffire-PRO-10.html
>>>>
>>>> SM Pro Audio Releases Wave Panels Mic Thing Acoustic Treatment Panel
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Mic-Thing.html
>>>> SM Pro Audio Showcases Nano Patch Passive Volume Control
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SMProAudio/P R/Nano-Patch.html
>>>>
>>>> Solid State Logic Exhibits XLogic Alpha Channel Strip At NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha.html
>>>> Solid State Logic Releases Duende 1.5 For PC And Intel Mac
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/Duend e-1.5.html
>>>> SSL
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Alpha-Range.html
>>>> More SSL
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SSL/PR/XLogi c-Delta-Link-Ships.html
>>>> Wave Arts To Debut Master Restoration Suite At Winter NAMM
>>>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/WaveArts/PR/ Master-Restoration-Suite.html
>>>>
>>>> MasterControl & IO Control alesis.com
>>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=106
>>>> http://alesis.com/product.php?id=105
>>>
>>
>i'l toast to your sobriety in a few hours...it's the weekend and th e5
day drought is over.
i agree about the beer thing. actually i think we use to refer to
strohs as fire brewed piss water. when i did beer it was usually of
the neighbor to the north variety.
On 20 Jan 2007 04:04:53 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>strohs and fire brewed lake st. claire...nummy.
>
>I started my drinking career in St. Louis, that would be AB country. $2.00
>for a six pack of Bush. Ten bucks could get you and a friend annihilated.
>
>It's funny you mention it, I actually grow up in St. Claire S., but I was
>never much for Strohs beer, but I like their Ice cream.
>
>It's funny how life changes and things that were once important to you are
>not so important anymore. I rarely drink now days. I know, that's my problem,
>right?
>
>James
>
>>
>>On 20 Jan 2007 02:33:50 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hey, I wasn't any where near Canada back then. As a friend used to say,
>after
>>>the first ten, it all taste the same; )
>>>
>>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>splains a lot...;o)
>>>>
>>>>On 19 Jan 2007 15:46:55 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>When I was a kid I use to drink Bush. Hey I was on a budget; )
>>>>>
>>>>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>>>>unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>>>>ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>>>>This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>>>>up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>>>>nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>>>>Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>>>>>>>Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
>>>Barbara
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Boxer were born.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please don’t tell me that the last vestiges of Bush support in the world
>>>>>>are all gathered on the Paris users group!!
>>>>
>>i'm guessing it's more of a pci-e thing...
On 20 Jan 2007 03:47:32 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of their
>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>
>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either $595.00
>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>
>James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087I just went back to 98 for Paris (rock solid why fight it) and use XP system
for Cubase SX3.... running the systems seperate....
You mentioned tracking in Paris and mixing in cubase...
are you just transfering the files between the systems or conecting via adat
and sending sub mixes or?
"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Well, I have been really testing my system lately.
>I have been putting a lot more time in in the studio
>ramping up for some real customers.
>Unfortunately I am very disappointed in the performance of my comp.
>This is the first time I have really tried to record with the XP
>OS.
>I was planning on using Cubase as my mixing software and PARIS just as tracking.
>That may be the way to go, but I just cant bring myself to leae PARIS. Ugh...
>I have been riddled with blue screens during playback, Que errors, PARIS
>not closing all the way after closiing it out(stays active in the task manager
>& doesnt disconnect from MECs). This is a brand new comp..the fastest I
could
>afford at the time and it is running like crap with PARIS. CUbase seems
pretty
>stable...actually everything else seems stable. Crap.... This is frustrating.
>I really dont want to suffer the embaressment of rebooting the comp every
>half hour with a client. That would blow.
>I am thinking about switching back to WIN98.
>Shit!
>Shit!
>Shit!
>Ok I am getting pissed off... I need to go and not think about it.
>On a lighter note the recording is coming along at a satifactory rate. I
>am pleased with what I have come up with thus far in regards to how my mixes
>are sounding.
>Its really quite enjoyable..
>I really need to get a FM transmitter so I dont need to bun so many test
>CDs though.
>
>BRME AES or MADI/AES, and 2 or 3 Mytek 8x192 A/D/A, or Lynx A/D/A. Heck,
I read that RADAR is going to release standalone converters too (from
Fletcher on Prosoundweb). Or if you want to spend less, get a few RME
ADAT interfaces of your choice and an Alesis HD24XR or two (for 24
channels at 96k). Have the HD24XRs modified by Jim Williams and they're
very nice for very little money.
All of the current solutions have drawbacks, though. If you want a real
tracking studio setup, you're still pretty much stuck doing monitor
mixes on a small console unless you feel confident mixing for headphones
in TotalMix, etc. I haven't tried using a Mackie Control on TotalMix
yet, maybe that would work well.
I guess this is where ProTools HD wins (or Paris in its day), the
integration of monitoring for tracking. Or is it something else?
Graham
Neil wrote:
> And not a single 16-channel analog in to PCI-card (or PCI-e)
> interface amongst 'em.
>
> Everyone is just ceding the pro market to Digi & not even
> trying.
>
> SOMEONE PLEASE invent an ass-kicking 16 or 32-channel analog-in-
> to-PCI interface that goes to at least 96k?100% agreed.
BTW - if you want a more civil forum for Nuendo and/or Cubase, try
here: http://aavimt.com.au/phpBB/index.php
It isn't without opinions, but it's privately run, so there are no wrong
opinions. The main idea is to allow users to freely help one another.
It's getting there. Flaming really isn't acceptible there, which is nice.
Regards,
Dedric
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45b10097$1@linux...
>
> I actually love cubase 4 and think it kicks the snot out of paris but I do
> wish the moderators would take charge of their forum. I would.The horse has left the barn......I repeat.........the horse has left the
barn.........and the horse is a glossy horse, not one of those POS satin
finish horses.
Hope you are having fun at the audio toystore this weekend.
;o)Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went toe
to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
vs the pricing..
I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big part
in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
should cost $499.00 ..
Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
alone version.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of their
>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>
>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
$595.00
>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>
>James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>
>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the time
was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
James
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
toe
>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>vs the pricing..
>
>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
part
>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>should cost $499.00 ..
>
>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast companies
>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>alone version.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
their
>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>
>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>$595.00
>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>
>>James
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>
>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>
>Hi James,
The Symphony system is very cool but..
The PCI-e serves no purpose with out an external I/O box like the
Ensemble or the option cards for the converters they have. The same way
MOTU 424 PCI card or a RME HDSP PCI card is of no use without the
external box.
Also every pro sound card on the market can already do 1.9 or less at
96k why is that a selling point? Sound card from Lynx, RME and Sydec can
easily do 96/192k at the same or lower latencies with all the I/O being
used?
The tighter than usual integration with Logic is the only part that
seems unique to me.
Maybe soon we'll start to see laptops with more than one expresscard
slot so we can use the UAD and Symphony at once...sweet.
Chris
James McCloskey wrote:
> Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of their
> converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>
> I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either $595.00
> or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
> of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>
> James
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>> Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>
>> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b1326b$1@linux...
>
> Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
> and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened to
> Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for the
> Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
> time
> was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you can
> now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
> when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>
> You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
Because we want everything, and we want mass quantities of it and we want it
now. and we want it for nothing if we can get it.
;o)
>
> James
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
> toe
>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>vs the pricing..
>>
>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
> part
>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>>Symphony
>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>
>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>companies
>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>alone version.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price of
> their
>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>
>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>$595.00
>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>>milliseconds
>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>
>>
>Heh. Why am I not surprised that Frank Luntz is involved?
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_roswell_democrats.h tm
Anyway, bdays listed there:
Hillary Clinton: October 26, 1947
John Kerry: December 11, 1943
Bill Clinton - August 19, 1946
Howard Dean - November 17, 1948
Nancy Pelosi - March 26, 1940
Dianne Feinstein - June 22, 1933
Charles Schumer - November 23, 1950
Barbara Boxer - November 11, 1940
So clearly since this bunch doesn't qualify, there must be OTHER aliens
wandering around, perhaps in positions of power...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
> unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
> ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
> This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
> up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>
> However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
> nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
> Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
> Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and Barbara
> Boxer were born.
>
> Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>
>How about now, Deej? Spill the beans...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> I am currently beta testing something wonderful which is drum related. It
> should be released next Thursday/Friday at NAMM. If you are getting ready to
> spend any money on drum related software, keep your wallet in your pocket
> for the next 5 days. You can do it. You will not die...........you may
> suffer, but you will not die.
>
> ;o)
>
>.........heheheh!!!!!!!!!...........funny how it is easy to accept it without
much questioning though, isn't it?
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45b1438a$1@linux...
>
> Heh. Why am I not surprised that Frank Luntz is involved?
>
> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_roswell_democrats.h tm
>
> Anyway, bdays listed there:
> Hillary Clinton: October 26, 1947
> John Kerry: December 11, 1943
> Bill Clinton - August 19, 1946
> Howard Dean - November 17, 1948
> Nancy Pelosi - March 26, 1940
> Dianne Feinstein - June 22, 1933
> Charles Schumer - November 23, 1950
> Barbara Boxer - November 11, 1940
>
> So clearly since this bunch doesn't qualify, there must be OTHER aliens
> wandering around, perhaps in positions of power...
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>> unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>> ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>> This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>> up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>
>> However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>> nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, J
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>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Very cool man. I'll bet that's a bit like working in heaven (pun intended).
Great band, great work.
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b3110b$1@linux...
>
> Hey DJ!!
>
> Yes, That's our Chior and band (with) the DSO strings-All Live.!!
> That (CD-DVD) project was from our second Album (Sony/BAJDA) called
> "Expecations".
>
> The recording and mixing was done in house as well. Recorded to 64 tracks
> -D88..Then X-fered to ProTools HD & Digital Performer for over dubs..
>
> Pretty normal days work.:) Each week , we record live (multitrack) that's
> then broadcast live via Satalite to other countrys. So, you really have
> to be on your game.
>
> On that project, I played Guitar, and worked both pre & post production.
>
> We have 2 G5's (Dual, Quad) 1 Dual G4(877), running Pro Tools HD3(plus),
> Digital Performer(4x), Logic Audio 7.2. 2 PC's running Gigasudio3
> (Orchestral)
> & V-stack (Massive amount of VSTi's) ..
> 1 Pc for Neundo/Cubase, Acid, Sequoia..AND I have a Paris System, that
> everyone
> loves ...
>
> Then, there's the SSL (56channels) G/E series eqs and comps.(A- Room) B
> Room
> ( 48 channel Pro Control.. 2 indiviual pre-production suites ( Running Pro
> Tools HD/Logic Audio), MPC and a host of Keyboards..
>
> It's a great musical invironment...Then, there's the full blown Video
> Production
> Suite.. !! Yikes!!
> Last time I went up stairs, they had a Euphonics Rep in ??????
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of
> your
>>soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be
> on
>>Sunday.
>>
>>Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> I don't like Logic is because.
>>>
>>> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>>> than the Mac version
>>>
>>> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>>>
>>> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at our
>>> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>>> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment
>>> from
>>> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>>>
>>> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>>>
>>> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!!
> New
>>> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
>>> Sweetwater
>>> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>>> I
>>>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
> is,
>>>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>>>overhaul,
>>>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>
>>>>list
>>>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>>>
>>>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
>
>>>>studio,
>>>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>>>
>>>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current
>>>>version.
>>>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James,
>>>>>
>>>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>>>
>>>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>>>on-board
>>>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>>>provide
>>>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>>> to
>>>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>>> the
>>>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>>>>time
>>>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>>>>can
>>>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>
>>>>>>POed
>>>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I
> went
>>>>>>toe
>>>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a
> Big
>>>>>>part
>>>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>
>>>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>> companies
>>>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a
>
>>>>>>>Stand
>>>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>>> of
>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>
>>>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>The Other day, I was just recomending the mixer/Cuabse as a really, really
good setup.
Tascam has really doen a great job with their digital mixers. Sound wise,
I have to say that they have more of a "Pleasing " sonic foot-print than
the yamha's DM2000 (Which I love)..
The verbs (TC0 are wonderful as are the Eqs and Comps. Last year, tascams
have virtually goten rid of every Bug they had with thier Firewire Interface..Tottaly
cool!! 32 in/32 out via Firewire!! Amazing..
Then to add insult to injury, they include Cascading..!! Drop into and Argosy..Boom..
http://www.argosyconsole.com/dm4800.htm
Nice unit, for a nice price..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>This is the midrange system. This board, your favorite DAW software, out
>board gear, some DSP cards, and you've got a great midrange system under
>ten grand. I've heard stuff recorded with these and I've got to say it
sounded
>vary good!
>
>I think it's the best bang for the buck right now.
>
>James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So you want a system with the following:
>>
>>A hardware interface with lot of analog I/Os, at least 24 to 32 at 24bit
>>96k
>>
>>24 to 32 digital I/O at at least 24bit 96k
>>
>>A control surface with at least 24 faders, to control your favorite DAW
>software.
>>
>>you want this to integrate with your PC or Mac.
>>
>>On board DSP with FX processing.
>>
>>You want near zero latency.
>>
>>you want it to look impressive.
>>
>>You want it for 5 to 6K, right?
>>
>>It exist, but it has some drawbacks. You won't like the form factor, or
>>the manufacturer. It has fixed algorithms and the DSP is not upgradeable,
>>although you can always use the other manufactures DSP cards for plugins.
>> For the money it's a hell of a buy and it covers most of the bases.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Here it is!
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>Thanks ..:)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Very cool man. I'll bet that's a bit like working in heaven (pun intended).
>Great band, great work.
>;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b3110b$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey DJ!!
>>
>> Yes, That's our Chior and band (with) the DSO strings-All Live.!!
>> That (CD-DVD) project was from our second Album (Sony/BAJDA) called
>> "Expecations".
>>
>> The recording and mixing was done in house as well. Recorded to 64 tracks
>> -D88..Then X-fered to ProTools HD & Digital Performer for over dubs..
>>
>> Pretty normal days work.:) Each week , we record live (multitrack) that's
>> then broadcast live via Satalite to other countrys. So, you really have
>> to be on your game.
>>
>> On that project, I played Guitar, and worked both pre & post production.
>>
>> We have 2 G5's (Dual, Quad) 1 Dual G4(877), running Pro Tools HD3(plus),
>> Digital Performer(4x), Logic Audio 7.2. 2 PC's running Gigasudio3
>> (Orchestral)
>> & V-stack (Massive amount of VSTi's) ..
>> 1 Pc for Neundo/Cubase, Acid, Sequoia..AND I have a Paris System, that
>> everyone
>> loves ...
>>
>> Then, there's the SSL (56channels) G/E series eqs and comps.(A- Room)
B
>> Room
>> ( 48 channel Pro Control.. 2 indiviual pre-production suites ( Running
Pro
>> Tools HD/Logic Audio), MPC and a host of Keyboards..
>>
>> It's a great musical invironment...Then, there's the full blown Video
>> Production
>> Suite.. !! Yikes!!
>> Last time I went up stairs, they had a Euphonics Rep in ??????
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of
>> your
>>>soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be
>> on
>>>Sunday.
>>>
>>>Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>>
>>>> I don't like Logic is because.
>>>>
>>>> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>>>> than the Mac version
>>>>
>>>> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>>>>
>>>> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at
our
>>>> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>>>> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment
>>>> from
>>>> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>>>>
>>>> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>>>>
>>>> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!!
>> New
>>>> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
>>>> Sweetwater
>>>> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>>>> I
>>>>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
>> is,
>>>>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>>>>overhaul,
>>>>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>>
>>>>>list
>>>>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition,
FL
>>
>>>>>studio,
>>>>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current
>>>>>version.
>>>>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey James,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>>>>on-board
>>>>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>>>>provide
>>>>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>>>>company
>>>>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>>>> to
>>>>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks
for
>>>> the
>>>>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at
the
>>>>>time
>>>>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say
you
>>>>>can
>>>>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>>
>>>>>>>POed
>>>>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony.
I
>> went
>>>>>>>toe
>>>>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had
a
>> Big
>>>>>>>part
>>>>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>>
>>>>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>>> companies
>>>>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out
a
>>
>>>>>>>>Stand
>>>>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>>>> of
>>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>>
>>>>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
happen.Naw man, After having Paris EdS PCI Card(s), and Digi's Mix and now HD cards,
I'm use to having it all (so to speak). I feel, if you are going to take
the time to present a PCI DSP card, then at least compete with those who
have already set a 'standard' on how and what a PCI DSP should offer.
To me, only proving low-latency is nothing.. EDS cards (as you know) have
been offering low laencyy and a slew of DPpro's to boot since 1997 cost $1,100.00..
Digi, same and now with Acel cards, on another planet..
Just low latency is much to write home about (IMO)..The way I see it, It
not a High end product. Jsut because it has an Apogee tag on ,does not mean
it's high end..hat's only market perception.
back in the day (1999)-2000.the MEC/with 8in/8out card sound just as good
as Apogees AD8000 SE..The Mec was not considered "High-End" , but could hang
with the best of them..
So, anyboady can call something high end if they Hype the price enough. Not
impressed..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I believe Symphony does have DSP on board, but they are not used for FX
processing.
> The advantage is that it integrates with the Apogee converters for 32 I/O
>with vary low latency. You love the RME stuff, what does that cost? What
>do other systems cost? Add the Apogee converters and tell me what the other
>system would cost?
>
>Price drops are always good for the user. The symphony system is not cheap
>but it is high end and it integrates with Logic. It also takes up only
one
>PCI slot. It's a system that you can grow in to over time. Maybe in time
>they will have a DSP effects processing card to go with the system.
>
>It's not for everybody. I think you especially don't like it because it
>is Mac only.
>
>James
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey James,
>>
>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>
>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>
>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
to
>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
the
>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>time
>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>can
>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get POed
>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>
>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>toe
>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>
>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a Big
>>>part
>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>
>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
companies
>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a Stand
>>>>alone version.
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
of
>>>their
>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>
>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>>$595.00
>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Nice work, LaMont... now all you need to learn is that E-series
SSL's don't really like to be "pushed" & you'll do just fine.
Neil
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey DJ!!
>
>Yes, That's our Chior and band (with) the DSO strings-All Live.!!
>That (CD-DVD) project was from our second Album (Sony/BAJDA) called "Expecations".
>
>The recording and mixing was done in house as well. Recorded to 64 tracks
>-D88..Then X-fered to ProTools HD & Digital Performer for over dubs..
>
>Pretty normal days work.:) Each week , we record live (multitrack) that's
>then broadcast live via Satalite to other countrys. So, you really have
>to be on your game.
>
>On that project, I played Guitar, and worked both pre & post production.
>
>We have 2 G5's (Dual, Quad) 1 Dual G4(877), running Pro Tools HD3(plus),
>Digital Performer(4x), Logic Audio 7.2. 2 PC's running Gigasudio3 (Orchestral)
>& V-stack (Massive amount of VSTi's) ..
>1 Pc for Neundo/Cubase, Acid, Sequoia..AND I have a Paris System, that everyone
>loves ...
>
>Then, there's the SSL (56channels) G/E series eqs and comps.(A- Room) B
Room
>( 48 channel Pro Control.. 2 indiviual pre-production suites ( Running Pro
>Tools HD/Logic Audio), MPC and a host of Keyboards..
>
>It's a great musical invironment...Then, there's the full blown Video Production
>Suite.. !! Yikes!!
>Last time I went up stairs, they had a Euphonics Rep in ??????
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>HOLY!!!!! .......errr............. WOW!!!! LaMont????....is that one of
>your
>>soundtracks? Beautiful!!! that's enough to make a body get up outta' be
>on
>>Sunday.
>>
>>Now I gotta' go find me some Earth Wind & Fire ...............
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b2f6e7$1@linux...
>>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> I don't like Logic is because.
>>>
>>> -They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>>> than the Mac version
>>>
>>> -It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
>>>
>>> Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at
our
>>> facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>>> How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment
from
>>> SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
>>>
>>> I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>>>
>>> I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!!
>New
>>> Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our
>>> Sweetwater
>>> via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>>> I
>>>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
>is,
>>>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an
>>>>overhaul,
>>>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
>
>>>>list
>>>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>>>
>>>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
>
>>>>studio,
>>>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>>>
>>>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
>>>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James,
>>>>>
>>>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>>>
>>>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not
>>>>>on-board
>>>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is
>>>>>provide
>>>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>>>
>>>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>>> to
>>>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>>> the
>>>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at
the
>>>>time
>>>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say
you
>>>>can
>>>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
>
>>>>>>POed
>>>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I
>went
>>>>>>toe
>>>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of
>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had
a
>Big
>>>>>>part
>>>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the
>
>>>>>>>Symphony
>>>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>>> companies
>>>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out
a
>
>>>>>>>Stand
>>>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>>> of
>>>>>>their
>>>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was
>>>>>>>>either
>>>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6
>
>>>>>>>>milliseconds
>>>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much money
to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street all
too much money.
Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool browser
to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft, what
Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
and Sowing..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>
>Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>
>Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
>happen.
>Thanks James .. Good reasonable advice. I often fantasise about having a meeting
with people from our Future (say 1000 years ahead). And this meeting I aske
them to not only fix today DAW Apps, but rebuild Paris (hardware & software)
withtheir current CPU chips. Yeah I know.. Weired..Hey , It's dream and fanstasy.
Ge your own.. :) Lol!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont
>
>I think you've got Three choices. One get twenty five people to write letters
>to manufactures. Keep on it, and make sure you pick wisely! Number two,
>just deal with it. Number three, get the funding, go start the company
and
>build it! That would be putting your money where your mouth is. That is
>a tuff thing to do, but not impossible.
>
>James
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Ladie and gentlemen,in the year of Lord 2007 AD, we seem to be caught in
>a
>>quagmire or a stomp in the road as far as new , cool , and usefull product
>>development in the Pro audio industry.
>>
>>Maybe that's the problem, the name "Pro -Audio". It's a given, that todays
>>producs are for the "bed-room, garage band types.
>>
>>On the so called High-End, we have over-hyped, China made products that
>are
>>being passed off @ 5000 percent mark-up..
>>
>>All the was to the lower (mass) end, with those same China manufacturers
>>producing these products @ an 5000 percent markup..
>>
>>What happend to innovation? Backin 1996 all the way to 2000, we were on
>a
>>roll, with great products like Emu Paris, Digi's Pro Tools , Steinberg'
>VST,
>>Motus break thur firw-wire protocols.
>>
>>Today we have , half-baked , half-thought out, rediculous performance claims..ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>I too a look the 2007 Namm offerings..And with out a doubt, I could not
>find
>>one manufacurer, With BALLLS!!!!!!
>>
>>Each product was play it safe pruduct, that will FAIL!!! because these
>spineliee
>>maufacturers fail to provide the tools and asked for products that we want.
>>Just Bull-shitt after Bull-shit products!!!
>>
>>This industry has gotten most of you on their "8 input/output crack"..
PCI
>>card here, add another there.each card weaker than the next. add and 8
>i.o
>>converter here and there..Then, you must upgrade your CPU, because "You
>>know we promised you tha Native Processing is the future??( That stated
>back
>>in 1996).. Well , it 11 years later, and Native is a choice, but DSP is
>still
>>vibrant..
>>
>>Where is this industry going?? yamahe , Roland & Korg, asking continuously
>>for $3k for keyboard workstations that still uses the same sound set 5-10
>>
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| Re: (No subject)...What's up inder the hood? [message #77353 is a reply to message #77343] |
Sat, 23 December 2006 08:06 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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years ago...
>>
>>So called pro-audio companies (UAD and many others) all hell bent on using
>>20 year old dsp chips(because) they can get them for next to nothing, but
>>charge us up the ass for their undr powered piece of shit!!
>>
>>And, so goes the American way of Business.. Business 101. Buy cheap shit,
>>sell for a great profit, then change the color and name of said product,
>>and brand it an update. Charge even more, and continue this trend until
>the
>>buyers figures it all out..Or some othe r(New) company comes in with some
>>cool new innovation, thus making that old comapny step up it's game..
>>
>>I'm tired of it all. Just plain tired of all the BS in this industry.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>someone in the alice b. tokelas lineage i'm sure...
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:51:40 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>ROTFL!!!.........and so who created democrats???.....Jimmy Durante?
>
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:m3t3r2da0h3gkh2qmpuh8s9frp5no60p54@4ax.com...
>> that's why god created republicans...;o)
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:46:11 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>........heheheh!!!!!!!!!...........funny how it is easy to accept it
>>>without
>>>much questioning though, isn't it?
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45b1438a$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Heh. Why am I not surprised that Frank Luntz is involved?
>>>>
>>>> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_roswell_democrats.h tm
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, bdays listed there:
>>>> Hillary Clinton: October 26, 1947
>>>> John Kerry: December 11, 1943
>>>> Bill Clinton - August 19, 1946
>>>> Howard Dean - November 17, 1948
>>>> Nancy Pelosi - March 26, 1940
>>>> Dianne Feinstein - June 22, 1933
>>>> Charles Schumer - November 23, 1950
>>>> Barbara Boxer - November 11, 1940
>>>>
>>>> So clearly since this bunch doesn't qualify, there must be OTHER aliens
>>>> wandering around, perhaps in positions of power...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>> Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>> unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>> ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>> This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>> up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>> nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>> Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy,
>>>>> Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
>>>>> Barbara Boxer were born.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>>
>>
>would be helpful to include the link...
On 21 Jan 2007 16:19:03 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>I'll Bite..
>What is it..
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So you want a system with the following:
>>
>>A hardware interface with lot of analog I/Os, at least 24 to 32 at 24bit
>>96k
>>
>>24 to 32 digital I/O at at least 24bit 96k
>>
>>A control surface with at least 24 faders, to control your favorite DAW
>software.
>>
>>you want this to integrate with your PC or Mac.
>>
>>On board DSP with FX processing.
>>
>>You want near zero latency.
>>
>>you want it to look impressive.
>>
>>You want it for 5 to 6K, right?
>>
>>It exist, but it has some drawbacks. You won't like the form factor, or
>>the manufacturer. It has fixed algorithms and the DSP is not upgradeable,
>>although you can always use the other manufactures DSP cards for plugins.
>> For the money it's a hell of a buy and it covers most of the bases.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Here it is!
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.htmli'll have to wait to get the official okey-dokey to find out what's
there...oh the pressure of possible rejection...sigh...
<www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>http://aavimt.com.au/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=308
>Hello,
Are hardware samplers able to load multiple samples or loops that i can
start or stop just hitting a multipad, i mean, sample 1 start = pad one,
sample one stop = pad two, etc ...? do they recall the midi layout ?
Is there something like "supersmarttimestretch' fonction, witch adjust the
loop tempo with a given tempo, played on a pad (i guess no) ?
I've been reading specs from AKAI and EMU samplers, but i have'nt found the
science (...)My DVD player is looking rather quaint.
MR
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C1D8631D.6D7F%dterry@keyofd.net...
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>
> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>
> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
> happen.
>Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox folks
are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You have
no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in protecting
my privacy.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
money
>to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>
>They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street all
>too much money.
>
>Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool browser
>to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft, what
>Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>and Sowing..
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>
>>Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>
>>Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
>>happen.
>>
>I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
Dedric
On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
>
> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox folks
> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>
>
> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You have
> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
> protecting
> my privacy.
>
> TCB
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
> money
>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>
>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street all
>> too much money.
>>
>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool browser
>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft, what
>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>> and Sowing..
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>
>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>
>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
>>> happen.
>>>
>>
>It's interesting how things just spring up on google, virtually un-announced.
Did you guys notice that they have imaged the entire patent database INCLUDING
ARTWORK with a ridiculously simple interface? The USPTO couldn't get it
done :-) I found and printed 10 of my grandfathers patents in approximately
5 minutes. Searchable content is what people want, and it takes enormous
computing power and storage to get it done. I think that's what the datacenters
are really about.
Chuck
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
>interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
>antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
>companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
>
>Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
>
>You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
>people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
>the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox
folks
>> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>>
>>
>> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
>> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
>> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You
have
>> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
>> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
>> protecting
>> my privacy.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
>> money
>>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>>
>>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street
all
>>> too much money.
>>>
>>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool
browser
>>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft,
what
>>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>>> and Sowing..
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>>
>>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>>
>>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well?
Could
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I just get this feeling that the Lemming gene is spliced into the party DNA
somewhere...........
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45b26b5a@linux...
>
> Whoever created any group that can "accept without much questioning" is
> probably an insecure moron or clever dictator wannabe.
>
> They say Democrats are tougher to herd. Probably a good thing.
>
> Independents can't even be rounded up. More pesky questioning than you can
> shake a dittohead at.
>
> Maybe that's why Rove likes to keep public appearances of his guy closed
> to the actual public.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> ROTFL!!!.........and so who created democrats???.....Jimmy Durante?
>>
>>
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:m3t3r2da0h3gkh2qmpuh8s9frp5no60p54@4ax.com...
>>> that's why god created republicans...;o)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:46:11 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ........heheheh!!!!!!!!!...........funny how it is easy to accept it
>>>> without
>>>> much questioning though, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45b1438a$1@linux...
>>>>> Heh. Why am I not surprised that Frank Luntz is involved?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_roswell_democrats.h tm
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, bdays listed there:
>>>>> Hillary Clinton: October 26, 1947
>>>>> John Kerry: December 11, 1943
>>>>> Bill Clinton - August 19, 1946
>>>>> Howard Dean - November 17, 1948
>>>>> Nancy Pelosi - March 26, 1940
>>>>> Dianne Feinstein - June 22, 1933
>>>>> Charles Schumer - November 23, 1950
>>>>> Barbara Boxer - November 11, 1940
>>>>>
>>>>> So clearly since this bunch doesn't qualify, there must be OTHER
>>>>> aliens
>>>>> wandering around, perhaps in positions of power...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>>> unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>>> ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>>> This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>>> up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>>> nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>>> Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted
>>>>>> Kennedy,
>>>>>> Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
>>>>>> Barbara Boxer were born.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>so open James' first post on this, then take your little mouse in your hand
and put your thumb on the scroll wheel and roll it backwards, all the way
until you don't see any more test......then keep rolling it until you get to
the bottom of his post.
;o)
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qoh6r25jhk21vv8n2pq1qtutmg51rtitoo@4ax.com...
> would be helpful to include the link...
>
> On 21 Jan 2007 16:19:03 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I'll Bite..
>>What is it..
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>So you want a system with the following:
>>>
>>>A hardware interface with lot of analog I/Os, at least 24 to 32 at 24bit
>>>96k
>>>
>>>24 to 32 digital I/O at at least 24bit 96k
>>>
>>>A control surface with at least 24 faders, to control your favorite DAW
>>software.
>>>
>>>you want this to integrate with your PC or Mac.
>>>
>>>On board DSP with FX processing.
>>>
>>>You want near zero latency.
>>>
>>>you want it to look impressive.
>>>
>>>You want it for 5 to 6K, right?
>>>
>>>It exist, but it has some drawbacks. You won't like the form factor, or
>>>the manufacturer. It has fixed algorithms and the DSP is not
>>>upgradeable,
>>>although you can always use the other manufactures DSP cards for plugins.
>>> For the money it's a hell of a buy and it covers most of the bases.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Here it is!
>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>Hi,
Regarding the latency yes u\you put it once and then on ALL other vertex
instances (up to 128 !!!) get delayed for that amount of latency except for
the track you manually put it !
Nice ye ?
I proposed him that and he just accepted !!
Well I kindly asked him if he could implement vst support for vertex on his
subs !!! but he kindly refused cause this is not planned for the present....
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Dimitrios,
>
>So will this work for large latencies like the UAD-1?
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45b2814d$1@linux...
>>
>> Yes.
>> I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy by
the
>> way...
>> He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay
>> compensator
>> suited for us Parisians !!
>> The concept is the following:
>> We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
>> Benefits.
>> We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
>> Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your acoustic
>> guitars
>> !!
>> BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has to offer
tha
>> author will implement the following:
>> Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
>> Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that introduces a
>> delay
>> of 64 samples.
>> What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp vst instance
>> the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples
!!
>> Isn't that a nice thought ?
>> Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a lookahead,
>> just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other tracks get
>> delayed
>> automatically !!
>> I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we want
>> ci\ontinuing
>> support...
>> What do you think >?>
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>
>Regarding Nolimit.
Whatb preset are you using ??
I tried it but never quite liked it like the rest of you.
I prefer the stereo compressor for the whole mix where I can raise the volume
by its output quite enouph !!
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Well, I figured that since this doesn't need constant
>maintenance/calibration and it doesn't draw 10 amps, it wouldn't really
show
>me much but I have made a very interesting discovery.
>
>I have a 38 track mix going here. It's the Russ Long produced song that
>comes of his instructional DVD called Marianna. I figured I'd use this since
>it's fairly large track count and has a lot of everything as far as
>instrumentation goes (acoustic guitar, electric 12 string, electric 6
>string, piano, B-3, Mellotron lots o harmony vocals, etc.
>
>Anyway, I'm streaming this from Cubase SX into Paris and summing there.
I've
>got Mytek A/D and D/A converters here so I'm routing the Neve tape gadget
>through those and strapping it across the mix bus.
>
>Well I enable external insert across the global bus and start
>playback....sounds soft and thick but a bit veilled so I tweak it a bit
and
>it clears up so I disable the global insert and Paris just jumps out of
the
>speakers. It's about 4dB hotter than the Neve box on insert so I boost the
>line amp on the Neve and ya know, when I flip them back and forth, the Paris
>mix bus is sounding uncannily like the Neve tape emulator. I'm not kiddin
>around here. There is a little bit of difference in the dimensionality and
>sound, but, so far, they can be made to sound almost exactly alike and in
a
>dense mix like this it's pretty obvious that there is some similar kind
of
>mojo happening with both Paris and the Neve...which means that I've now
>otten myself into a situation where I'm going to have to test this mix using
>Paris only, Paris with the Neve box, Cubase ITB and cubase with the Neve
>box.
>
>Now the "real" question is, will this Neve tape emulator make the Cubase
mix
>bus sound like the Paris mix bus if the Cubase mix is properly gainstaged?
I
>don't even want to do the stem gainstaging, just a good ol' ITB mix with
>track levels and panning done in SX and then strap this 5042 across the
main
>mix. The guy who owns this Neve box is the guy who I've been helping with
>the studio install this week. He's coming over this afternoon. He may need
>this back for a session over the weekend and I know he wants to compare
this
>to what he's getting by tracking to tape on his Otari deck, but next week
>he's leaving town for two weeks and I'm pretty sure I can get him to let
me
>test drive this box for a while while he's gone.
>
>I'm really shocked at how similar the Paris mix buss sounds to what omes
out
>the backside of this box when it is serially inserted.
>
>;o)
>
>Very tempting - but does anyone know how well does it integrates with Cubase
3sx or 4? How good are the converters? Besides 8 more faders, what does it
do that the DM-3200 doesn't?.... or is basically the same beast, just larger?
Thanks-
Jon
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>So you want a system with the following:
>
>A hardware interface with lot of analog I/Os, at least 24 to 32 at 24bit
>96k
>
>24 to 32 digital I/O at at least 24bit 96k
>
>A control surface with at least 24 faders, to control your favorite DAW
software.
>
>you want this to integrate with your PC or Mac.
>
>On board DSP with FX processing.
>
>You want near zero latency.
>
>you want it to look impressive.
>
>You want it for 5 to 6K, right?
>
>It exist, but it has some drawbacks. You won't like the form factor, or
>the manufacturer. It has fixed algorithms and the DSP is not upgradeable,
>although you can always use the other manufactures DSP cards for plugins.
> For the money it's a hell of a buy and it covers most of the bases.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Here it is!
>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.htmlJon,
I'm interested in the 3200 myself, probably sometime late to mid this year.
Lamont, let us know :-) ESPECIALLY about the onboard effects...
Chuck
"Jon Jiles" <sir-nimrod@nimrod.com> wrote:
>
>Very tempting - but does anyone know how well does it integrates with Cubase
>3sx or 4? How good are the converters? Besides 8 more faders, what does
it
>do that the DM-3200 doesn't?.... or is basically the same beast, just larger?
>
>Thanks-
>Jon
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So you want a system with the following:
>>
>>A hardware interface with lot of analog I/Os, at least 24 to 32 at 24bit
>>96k
>>
>>24 to 32 digital I/O at at least 24bit 96k
>>
>>A control surface with at least 24 faders, to control your favorite DAW
>software.
>>
>>you want this to integrate with your PC or Mac.
>>
>>On board DSP with FX processing.
>>
>>You want near zero latency.
>>
>>you want it to look impressive.
>>
>>You want it for 5 to 6K, right?
>>
>>It exist, but it has some drawbacks. You won't like the form factor, or
>>the manufacturer. It has fixed algorithms and the DSP is not upgradeable,
>>although you can always use the other manufactures DSP cards for plugins.
>> For the money it's a hell of a buy and it covers most of the bases.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Here it is!
>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>Now this is a cool idea.
-- thanks -- chas.
On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Yes.
>I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy by the
>way...
>He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay compensator
>suited for us Parisians !!
>The concept is the following:
>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
>Benefits.
>We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
>Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your acoustic guitars
>!!
>BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has to offer tha
>author will implement the following:
>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
>Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that introduces a delay
>of 64 samples.
>What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp vst instance
>the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples !!
>Isn't that a nice thought ?
>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a lookahead,
>just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other tracks get delayed
>automatically !!
>I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we want ci\ontinuing
>support...
>What do you think >?>
>Regards,
>DimitriosI think you have to have a 'real' adat machine in the chain as a dongle of
sorts, the HD24 alone will not see the control messages.
AA
"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:nq15r25mf3bbefkknqggrf4f91hels0954@4ax.com...
>I never really noticed this before since I don't have ADAT decks here,
> but Paris with an ADAT card has an interface to control the tape deck.
> My question is whether that can also control the Alesis hard disk
> recorder? Anyone in Parisland using these with Paris?
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>Long shot, but you might try to contact Marco Minneman or Dave Weckl's
camps. They're done some pretty cool/intense stuff with samplers and
drumming.
AA
"Damien Gelée" <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
news:45b34b8d@linux...
> Hello,
>
> Are hardware samplers able to load multiple samples or loops that i can
> start or stop just hitting a multipad, i mean, sample 1 start = pad one,
> sample one stop = pad two, etc ...? do they recall the midi layout ?
> Is there something like "supersmarttimestretch' fonction, witch adjust
> the loop tempo with a given tempo, played on a pad (i guess no) ?
>
> I've been reading specs from AKAI and EMU samplers, but i have'nt found
> the science (...)
>DJ wrote:
> I just get this feeling that the Lemming gene is spliced into the party DNA
> somewhere...........
I hear you. Unquestioning following is a problem. We've been over the
cliff with both major parties.
Most recently with the abdication of oversight responsibilities by the
last congress, Republican controlled in that case.
Did you know the biggest "party" in Colorado, based on voter
registration, is independents?
Good sign.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45b26b5a@linux...
>> Whoever created any group that can "accept without much questioning" is
>> probably an insecure moron or clever dictator wannabe.
>>
>> They say Democrats are tougher to herd. Probably a good thing.
>>
>> Independents can't even be rounded up. More pesky questioning than you can
>> shake a dittohead at.
>>
>> Maybe that's why Rove likes to keep public appearances of his guy closed
>> to the actual public.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> ROTFL!!!.........and so who created democrats???.....Jimmy Durante?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:m3t3r2da0h3gkh2qmpuh8s9frp5no60p54@4ax.com...
>>>> that's why god created republicans...;o)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:46:11 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ........heheheh!!!!!!!!!...........funny how it is easy to accept it
>>>>> without
>>>>> much questioning though, isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45b1438a$1@linux...
>>>>>> Heh. Why am I not surprised that Frank Luntz is involved?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_roswell_democrats.h tm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, bdays listed there:
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton: October 26, 1947
>>>>>> John Kerry: December 11, 1943
>>>>>> Bill Clinton - August 19, 1946
>>>>>> Howard Dean - November 17, 1948
>>>>>> Nancy Pelosi - March 26, 1940
>>>>>> Dianne Feinstein - June 22, 1933
>>>>>> Charles Schumer - November 23, 1950
>>>>>> Barbara Boxer - November 11, 1940
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So clearly since this bunch doesn't qualify, there must be OTHER
>>>>>> aliens
>>>>>> wandering around, perhaps in positions of power...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>> Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>>>> unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>>>> ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>>>> This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>>>> up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948, exactly
>>>>>>> nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>>>> Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted
>>>>>>> Kennedy,
>>>>>>> Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer, and
>>>>>>> Barbara Boxer were born.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>I'll bet they add DSP in the future. I think the quality of the converters
make it high end. It's not for me either, too much money.
james
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Naw man, After having Paris EdS PCI Card(s), and Digi's Mix and now HD cards,
>I'm use to having it all (so to speak). I feel, if you are going to take
>the time to present a PCI DSP card, then at least compete with those who
>have already set a 'standard' on how and what a PCI DSP should offer.
>
>To me, only proving low-latency is nothing.. EDS cards (as you know) have
>been offering low laencyy and a slew of DPpro's to boot since 1997 cost
$1,100.00..
>Digi, same and now with Acel cards, on another planet..
>Just low latency is much to write home about (IMO)..The way I see it, It
>not a High end product. Jsut because it has an Apogee tag on ,does not mean
>it's high end..hat's only market perception.
>back in the day (1999)-2000.the MEC/with 8in/8out card sound just as good
>as Apogees AD8000 SE..The Mec was not considered "High-End" , but could
hang
>with the best of them..
>
>So, anyboady can call something high end if they Hype the price enough.
Not
>impressed..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I believe Symphony does have DSP on board, but they are not used for FX
>processing.
>> The advantage is that it integrates with the Apogee converters for 32
I/O
>>with vary low latency. You love the RME stuff, what does that cost? What
>>do other systems cost? Add the Apogee converters and tell me what the
other
>>system would cost?
>>
>>Price drops are always good for the user. The symphony system is not cheap
>>but it is high end and it integrates with Logic. It also takes up only
>one
>>PCI slot. It's a system that you can grow in to over time. Maybe in time
>>they will have a DSP effects processing card to go with the system.
>>
>>It's not for everybody. I think you especially don't like it because it
>>is Mac only.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James,
>>>
>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
>>>
>>>Is does virtualy nothing for the old cost of 999.00.. Itt has not on-board
>>>dsp, only a mixer that won't replace Logic's mixer. All it does, is provide
>>>(via meastro) a routing mechanism to other apple audio products.
>>>$900 bucks for that?? 800, 700, 600, 500, 400, 300!! Pleeeeaaase..
>>>
>>>By the way: Where is Logic 8? No show at Namm??
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well you know what it feels like when some idiot gets in side of a company
>>>>and cancels Mac development, because he's a PC user. It has happened
>to
>>>>Mac users too many times in the past. Intuit canceled QuickBooks for
>the
>>>>Mac some years ago, boy did the president get blasted. The guy at the
>>time
>>>>was actually sitting on Apples board at the time. Needless to say you
>>can
>>>>now buy QuickBooks for the Mac again. One more reason Mac users get
POed
>>>>when they are treated like second class citizens. Think about it.
>>>>
>>>>You guys have the SSL product. What is wrong with that?
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey James.. Do a search on www.gearslutz.com on apogee symphony. I went
>>>>toe
>>>>>to toe with a Apogee guys disguised about the pricing and lack of features
>>>>>vs the pricing..
>>>>>
>>>>>I did not let Apogee just rest on it's "lofty" name. I feel I had a
Big
>>>>part
>>>>>in this price reduction. To be honest, as I told them, I think the Symphony
>>>>>should cost $499.00 ..
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, I blasted them for the whole Mac only thing..Just like I blast
>companies
>>>>>for being PC only. Just stupid , and not good business (imo).. :)
>>>>>Now, to answer mycompalints about Mac only, they are bringing out a
Stand
>>>>>alone version.
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogee dropping prices is a good thing. I hope they drop the price
>of
>>>>their
>>>>>>converter boxes. I think this would be a good system to move to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I saw pricing on the Apogee Symphony Mobile, ExpressCard, it was either
>>>>>$595.00
>>>>>>or $695.00. That's in the affordable range! With less than 1.6 milliseconds
>>>>>>of latency at 96K, that is a big thing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apogee Reduce Price Of Symphony
>>>>>>>Symphony PCI series is now $795.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4087
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Tha't been my experience
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I think you have to have a 'real' adat machine in the chain as a dongle
of
>sorts, the HD24 alone will not see the control messages.
>AA
>
>"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:nq15r25mf3bbefkknqggrf4f91hels0954@4ax.com...
>>I never really noticed this before since I don't have ADAT decks here,
>> but Paris with an ADAT card has an interface to control the tape deck.
>> My question is whether that can also control the Alesis hard disk
>> recorder? Anyone in Parisland using these with Paris?
>>
>> - Paul Artola
>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>James,
>
>I don't like Logic is because.
>
>-They stopped Windows Developemnt.Even though it ran smoother and faster
>than the Mac version
That's the truth! You need to get over it though. You were pissed at EMU,
yet you have bought their products since and supported that company by doing
so. Think about it. I thought it was a bad move at the time too, but I
understand why they did it. They did, offered Logic user reasonable discounts
to switch to their products. Time to put it in the past and see what's next.
>
>-It's Antiquated. Simple. It's not up to par with Pro Tools & Neundo.
Yes, Logic has lagged behind in some respects, but it doesn't mean that it
not a good DAW program. There has been continual developments. A lot of
users like it's interface and have complained when they undated parts of
Logic. I think they should have a classic mode for those users. I also
hope Logic 8 is easyer to use out of the box.
>
>Man,(you come Straight out of a comic-book :)). We have Logic 7.2 at our
>facility. That's why I can comment on it..
>How many times do I have to state that.. We get all of our Equipment from
>SweetWater( Rep: Paul Lea). www.straightgate.net
You stated in the past that you used to use Logic for Windows back at version
4.x, so you using the current version is news to me.
>
>I talk from experience and not Hype. I use both platfoms daily.
>
>I have much hope for Logic 8. I hear it's a complete re-write!!AMEN!!! New
>Audio engine!! Yippeeeeee!!! All new Look.. I got this info from our Sweetwater
>via the Namm show.. :) :) :)
People are talking, but don't be mad if they are wrong. Don't be mad if
this new version has some bugs, that's the case for most new software. There
is no promise from Apple here. One thing is for sure, nobody will really
know until Apple says so. Apple will keep developing it over time. My bet
is, 64bit version, up to 192k. I would think they are going to try to compete
with Digi, like they did with FCP.
James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I believe Symphony will be opened up to other softwares in the future.
>I
>>guess we'll see. As for Logic 8, they say it's coming soon. My guess
is,
>>it will be here by NAB or AES spring. I don't know if it will be an overhaul,
>>but either way, you won't like it because it will be a Mac only product.
>>
>>
>>You bitch because Logic is not available on the PC. Here is a partial
list
>>of what's not available on the Mac.
>>
>>Acid, Vegas, Sound forge, Sonar, cakewalk, Sequoia, Adobe Audition, FL
studio,
>>WaveLab, N-track, and the list goes on.
>>
>>Of course you put down Logic, but you don't even use the current version.
>> But it sucks because it's a Mac only product.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey James,
>>>
>>>My stance on the Symphony card is:
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massacre. The vast
majority of UK trade credits were used to purchase more arms.
1970s, Iraq purchased a French nuclear reactor. The US grumbled a little
but major US players were entrenched in the Iraq nuclear deal. The French
owned firm Areva NP acquired most of its technology and patents from Babcock
and Wilcox's, Westinghouse and GE (All US firms).
"Desert Storm" followed by a US trade embargo, including no food or medicine.
The first and second Bush administration!!I don't think that model is sustainable. But even so, the only real
protection artists and content producers have is self sacrifice - e.g. no
one produces if no one will be paying for it.
Of course that's a catch 22 for us, and no big loss for the Googles of the
world.
But it still costs money to produce quality content and that won't change
much as long as the buying public wants quality.
Basically the advantage, if there is one, that artists have, is independent
organization. The downside is that if Google controls the bandwidth, as
some analyst predicted of AT&T and other large companies, they could shut
out independent content all together with exorbitant fees, even forcing
artists to pay to have their content sold by a content provider (with no
return but name recognition) - in essence blackmailing the human desire to
be "famous" or successful. Only large studios and record labels (after this
balances out once again) would have the resources to promote artists and
movies (i.e. pay Google), so the indie world will once again become a desert
of guitar playing street corner musicians, and home movie producers hawking
their art anywhere but the net. And this internet, once an information
superhighway and free exchange of ideas, would turn into a corporate
broadcast monopoly sold only to the highest bidder. At that point, we might
not even have 3 major networks to choose from anymore.
Maybe that's wildly pessimistic, but any other model would require an
altruistic mentality in the leadership at Google, at many levels, and for
many many years to come. I have yet to see a corporate CEO with that
mentality in any industry outside of Habitat for Humanity. We have become a
country of bottom lines and profit margins, regardless of the longterm, or
even midterm cost - make a quick buck and get out rich enough that your
customers' or even your country's future is irrelevant to you.
It would take a miracle, or something on the other/bad end of the spectrum
to change that now. Gee, I'm mister optimistic tonight.
Dedric
On 1/21/07 10:35 PM, in article 45b43f08$1@linux, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com>
wrote:
>
> "David L" <david@revealaudio.com> wrote:
>> Wow. I just went to Google and tried the patent search feature. Thanks,
>> Chuck.
>>
>> I've been following a little bit on the iPhone and the trend toward music
>> distribution by downloads, mobile phones being the newest vehicle. Is it
>> simplistic of me to think that content made available for download over
>> mobile networks can be controlled better than content available over the
>> internet? And looking into the future a bit, that mobile network providers
>> are the new distribution channels for entertainment corporations?
>
> Mobile or web, this is the problem right now: Content is
> so ubiquitouts & so easily obtainable, that it's becoming
> worthless - whether it's a movie or a TV show or a song or an
> album... I don't see how a business model where the producers
> of the content (Google is essentially robbing every source of
> content, when you think about it) don't get paid for it can be
> sustainable.
>
> NeilHi,
Automatic figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.
Although a plug-in reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot request
this value from another plug-in !
Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic latency detection.
But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a great feature !!
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Would be cool.
>I like what Chuck is working on as well.
>If it could automatically figure it out the latency would be awesome.
>If you can just type in a latency you knew was greater than the largest
it
>would be cool instead of trying to figure out what the actual latency is.
>B
>
>
>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>
>>Now this is a cool idea.
>>
>>-- thanks -- chas.
>>
>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy by
>the
>>>way...
>>>He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay compensator
>>>suited for us Parisians !!
>>>The concept is the following:
>>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
>>>Benefits.
>>>We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
>>>Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your acoustic
guitars
>>>!!
>>>BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has to offer
tha
>>>author will implement the following:
>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that introduces a
delay
>>>of 64 samples.
>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp vst instance
>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples
>!!
>>>Isn't that a nice thought ?
>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a lookahead,
>>>just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other tracks get
delayed
>>>automatically !!
>>>I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we want ci\ontinuing
>>>support...
>>>What do you think >?>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>
>Hi,
Well this guy is willing to help us out with whatever benefits will arrise
for him by buying his plugin...
Note that his plugin has a discount until 31 of January , around 46-47 $
final price.
WE HAVE TO SHOW our appreciation on developers like him as we can ask for
further Paris support, like maybe wdm drivers ???
NOW he asks for some input from us.
Here is what he wrote on his last email...
To be flexible enough it is certainly possible to choose a much larger latency
buffer, but consider this: A buffer consumes memory, e.g. 65536 samples need
262144 bytes per channel (each sample is 32 bit floating point for VST).
If you run e.g. 48 (stereo?)-tracks with 48 instances of FaderWorks you need
48 * 2 * 262144 bytes = 25 MB of memory. Should be no problem for today's
computers, but some users have Win98, so I'm not sure if RAM memory could
be an issue. If not, I would suggest about 132000 samples as upper limit
(needs about 1 MB per FaderWorks instance). What do you (or others) think
about it?Hi,
Well this guy is willing to help us out with whatever benefits will arrise
for him by buying his plugin...
Note that his plugin has a discount until 31 of January , around 46-47 $
final price.
WE HAVE TO SHOW our appreciation on developers like him as we can ask for
further Paris support, like maybe wdm drivers ???
NOW he asks for some input from us.
Here is what he wrote on his last email...
To be flexible enough it is certainly possible to choose a much larger latency
buffer, but consider this: A buffer consumes memory, e.g. 65536 samples need
262144 bytes per channel (each sample is 32 bit floating point for VST).
If you run e.g. 48 (stereo?)-tracks with 48 instances of FaderWorks you need
48 * 2 * 262144 bytes = 25 MB of memory. Should be no problem for today's
computers, but some users have Win98, so I'm not sure if RAM memory could
be an issue. If not, I would suggest about 132000 samples as upper limit
(needs about 1 MB per FaderWorks instance). What do you (or others) think
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Ok this was after my suggestion of high latency buffer for UAD1 and other
dsp card users.
I know that most of us have plenty of ram but if there is some other suggestion
regarding this latency buffer and its upper limit please reply as soon as
possible...
Note that one instance of uad1 needs 16384 samples.
So a normal uad1 user how many instances of uad1 plyugins does he use on
a normal (or abnormal ) situation ?
His 132000 samples upper limit suggestion as you read on my previous post
is an EIGHT instances of UAD1 plugs as maximum.
Is that enouph ?
Ok DJ please do not answer this :)
If memory is not a problem , I for myself have 1.5 GB and use XP then I would
suggest double of that 234000.
What do ya think ?/
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>Well this guy is willing to help us out with whatever benefits will arrise
>for him by buying his plugin...
>Note that his plugin has a discount until 31 of January , around 46-47 $
>final price.
>WE HAVE TO SHOW our appreciation on developers like him as we can ask for
>further Paris support, like maybe wdm drivers ???
>NOW he asks for some input from us.
>Here is what he wrote on his last email...
>To be flexible enough it is certainly possible to choose a much larger latency
>buffer, but consider this: A buffer consumes memory, e.g. 65536 samples
need
>262144 bytes per channel (each sample is 32 bit floating point for VST).
>If you run e.g. 48 (stereo?)-tracks with 48 instances of FaderWorks you
need
>48 * 2 * 262144 bytes = 25 MB of memory. Should be no problem for today's
>computers, but some users have Win98, so I'm not sure if RAM memory could
>be an issue. If not, I would suggest about 132000 samples as upper limit
>(needs about 1 MB per FaderWorks instance). What do you (or others) think
>about it?
>
>
>
>Hi,
In order to propose a wdm driver construction to the Vertex developer I would
like to know if there is enouph info available for someone to create that.
I mean codes whatever is needed...
Also if there is anyone that could spare for some months a eds card and a
maybe 442 interface because I guess that he probably would need that...
We cannot ask him to buy a set, right ?
I can ask him for a 64 channel wdm driver if the codes are available...
I remember Doug once told me that he had what is needed to make those drivers
except for TIME !!
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Dimitrios,
I'm still liking it as much as anything else I've heard.
The grouping feature is just another plus although
it must be a pain to use - opening plugins etc..
Have you checked out Brian's technique of soloing within
a Paris editor? I never figured it out but he makes it
look simple like everything else..
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:45b468da$1@linux...
Hi,
Automatic figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.
Although a plug-in reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot =
request
this value from another plug-in !
Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic latency detection.
But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a great feature =
!!
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Would be cool.
>I like what Chuck is working on as well.
>If it could automatically figure it out the latency would be awesome.
>If you can just type in a latency you knew was greater than the =
largest
it
>would be cool instead of trying to figure out what the actual latency =
is.
>B=20
>
>
>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>
>>Now this is a cool idea.
>>
>>-- thanks -- chas.
>>
>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> =
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy =
by
>the
>>>way...
>>>He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual =
delay compensator
>>>suited for us Parisians !!
>>>The concept is the following:
>>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
>>>Benefits.
>>>We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
>>>Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your =
acoustic
guitars
>>>!!
>>>BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has to =
offer
tha
>>>author will implement the following:
>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that introduces =
a
delay
>>>of 64 samples.
>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp vst =
instance
>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 =
samples
>!!
>>>Isn't that a nice thought ?
>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a =
lookahead,
>>>just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other tracks =
get
delayed
>>>automatically !!
>>>I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we want =
ci\ontinuing
>>>support...
>>>What do you think >?>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still liking it as much as anything =
else I've=20
heard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The grouping feature is just another =
plus=20
although</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it must be a pain to use - opening =
plugins=20
etc..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you checked out Brian's technique =
of soloing=20
within</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a Paris editor? I never figured =
it out but he=20
makes it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>look simple like everything =
else..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:45b468da$1@linux">news:45b468da$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi,<=
BR>Automatic=20
figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.<BR>Although a =
plug-in=20
reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot request<BR>this =
value from=20
another plug-in !<BR>Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic =
latency=20
detection.<BR>But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a =
great=20
feature !!<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Would be =
cool.<BR>>I like what Chuck is working on as well.<BR>>If it =
could=20
automatically figure it out the latency would be awesome.<BR>>If =
you can=20
just type in a latency you knew was greater than the=20
largest<BR>it<BR>>would be cool instead of trying to figure out =
what the=20
actual latency is.<BR>>B <BR>><BR>><BR>>Chas. Duncan=20
<duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Now =
this is=20
a cool idea.<BR>>><BR>>>-- thanks --=20
chas.<BR>>><BR>>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, =
"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
=
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>><BR >>>>Yes.<BR>>>>I=20
contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy=20
by<BR>>the<BR>>>>way...<BR>>>>He will update =
vertex dsp=20
fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay =
compensator<BR>>>>suited=20
for us Parisians !!<BR>>>>The concept is the=20
following:<BR>>>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio=20
track.<BR>>>>Benefits.<BR>>>>We can solo mute =
certain Paris=20
audio track groups.<BR>>>>Now you can solo your drumtracks =
only or=20
maybe mute all your=20
acoustic<BR>guitars<BR>>>>!!<BR>>>>BEYOND these =
already=20
implemented things this nice plugin has to =
offer<BR>tha<BR>>>>author=20
will implement the following:<BR>>>>Note that you have opened =
vertex=20
on all paris audio tracks.<BR>>>>Now lets say you put waves =
rencomp=20
to audiotrack 1 that introduces a<BR>delay<BR>>>>of 64=20
samples.<BR>>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this =
track's=20
vertex dsp vst instance<BR>>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER =
vertex=20
instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples<BR>>!!<BR>>>>Isn't =
that a nice=20
thought ?<BR>>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds=20
compressor with a lookahead,<BR>>>>just type the =
corresponding=20
samples in delay and all other tracks=20
get<BR>delayed<BR>>>>automatically !!<BR>>>>I hope =
that we=20
will support this guy with this plugin if we want=20
ci\ontinuing<BR>>>>support...<BR>>>>What do you =
think=20
=
>?><BR>>>>Regards,<BR>>>>Dimitrios <BR>>><BR=
>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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------=_NextPart_000_01C7_01C73DD0.9ACFCCB0--Hi,
You remember Wormhole ?
Although there was a great support for us paris users regarding the update
of wormhole I don't think that more than 3-4 of us ,including me, have bought
wormhole.
I don't wanna be pushy with your money and urge you to spend them towards
anything for that matter but you understand my position and how we Paris
users show our appreciation to this author of Vertex...
We have to decide if we want some people get involved in developing Paris
any further or let eventually Paris fade away...
I formyself I am here for me and all of you to fight till nothing can be
done...
I will buy it because ALREADY is a GREAT plugin because you can SOLO a bunch
of audio tracks along submixes , mute other and finally be able to do what
clients sometimes (always ?) ask like can I hear please only the guitars
? or can I hear only main and backing vocals ?
Now add to the above this Latency compensation thing which was based on a
idea of mine with manually giving the latency of a certain plugin and letting
the rest of audio tracks follow that latency.
I am signing this:
Dimitrios BitzenisDear Tom,
No it is not that difficult as you think the soloing thing.
See how it works.
You have ONCE configure what tracks are to be grouped to whatever group 1,2,3,4...up
to 32 !!
When you configure like drums group 1 guitars group 2 , keys group 3 , vocals
group 4 ,etc... then you just have to open on only instance of the corrsponding
group set i.e open kick to solo all drums group , open solo guitar to solo
all guitar group etc...
This solo in editor thing I guess is only for one submix right ?
This vertex though looks great too !!
So flexible can do more than solo and mute can do bypass and can fade volumes
beetween groups with volume offsets !!
Needs some experiment and manual reading I guess.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Dimitrios,
>I'm still liking it as much as anything else I've heard.
>The grouping feature is just another plus although
>it must be a pain to use - opening plugins etc..
>
>Have you checked out Brian's technique of soloing within
>a Paris editor? I never figured it out but he makes it
>look simple like everything else..
>Tom
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
>news:45b468da$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> Automatic figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.
> Although a plug-in reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot =
>request
> this value from another plug-in !
> Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic latency detection.
> But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a great feature
=
>!!
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >
> >Would be cool.
> >I like what Chuck is working on as well.
> >If it could automatically figure it out the latency would be awesome.
> >If you can just type in a latency you knew was greater than the =
>largest
> it
> >would be cool instead of trying to figure out what the actual latency
=
>is.
> >B=20
> >
> >
> >Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
> >>
> >>Now this is a cool idea.
> >>
> >>-- thanks -- chas.
> >>
> >>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> =
>wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Yes.
> >>>I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy
=
>by
> >the
> >>>way...
> >>>He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual =
>delay compensator
> >>>suited for us Parisians !!
> >>>The concept is the following:
> >>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
> >>>Benefits.
> >>>We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
> >>>Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your =
>acoustic
> guitars
> >>>!!
> >>>BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has to =
>offer
> tha
> >>>author will implement the following:
> >>>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
> >>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that introduces
=
>a
> delay
> >>>of 64 samples.
> >>>What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp vst =
>instance
> >>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 =
>samples
> >!!
> >>>Isn't that a nice thought ?
> >>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a =
>lookahead,
> >>>just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other tracks =
>get
> delayed
> >>>automatically !!
> >>>I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we want =
>ci\ontinuing
> >>>support...
> >>>What do you think >?>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>Dimitrios
> >>
> >
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still liking it as much as anything
=
>else I've=20
>heard.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The grouping feature is just another =
>plus=20
>although</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it must be a pain to use - opening =
>plugins=20
>etc..</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you checked out Brian's technique
=
>of soloing=20
>within</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a Paris editor? I never figured =
>it out but he=20
>makes it</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>look simple like everything =
>else..</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:45b468da$1@linux">news:45b468da$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi,<=
>BR>Automatic=20
> figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.<BR>Although a =
>plug-in=20
> reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot request<BR>this =
>value from=20
> another plug-in !<BR>Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic =
>latency=20
> detection.<BR>But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a
=
>great=20
> feature !!<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Would be =
>
> cool.<BR>>I like what Chuck is working on as well.<BR>>If it =
>could=20
> automatically figure it out the latency would be awesome.<BR>>If =
>you can=20
> just type in a latency you knew was greater than the=20
> largest<BR>it<BR>>would be cool instead of trying to figure out =
>what the=20
> actual latency is.<BR>>B <BR>><BR>><BR>>Chas. Duncan=20
> <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Now =
>this is=20
> a cool idea.<BR>>><BR>>>-- thanks --=20
> chas.<BR>>><BR>>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, =
>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
> =
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>Yes.<BR>>>>I=20
> contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy=20
> by<BR>>the<BR>>>>way...<BR>>>>He will update =
>vertex dsp=20
> fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay =
>compensator<BR>>>>suited=20
> for us Parisians !!<BR>>>>The concept is the=20
> following:<BR>>>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio=20
> track.<BR>>>>Benefits.<BR>>>>We can solo mute =
>certain Paris=20
> audio track groups.<BR>>>>Now you can solo your drumtracks =
>only or=20
> maybe mute all your=20
> acoustic<BR>guitars<BR>>>>!!<BR>>>>BEYOND these =
>already=20
> implemented things this nice plugin has to =
>offer<BR>tha<BR>>>>author=20
> will implement the following:<BR>>>>Note that you have opened =
>vertex=20
> on all paris audio tracks.<BR>>>>Now lets say you put waves =
>rencomp=20
> to audiotrack 1 that introduces a<BR>delay<BR>>>>of 64=20
> samples.<BR>>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this =
>track's=20
> vertex dsp vst instance<BR>>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER =
>vertex=20
> instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples<BR>>!!<BR>>>>Isn't =
>that a nice=20
> thought ?<BR>>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds=20
> compressor with a lookahead,<BR>>>>just type the =
>corresponding=20
> samples in delay and all other tracks=20
> get<BR>delayed<BR>>>>automatically !!<BR>>>>I hope =
>that we=20
> will support this guy with this plugin if we want=20
> ci\ontinuing<BR>>>>support...<BR>>>>What do you =
>think=20
> =
>>?><BR>>>>Regards,<BR>>>>Dimitrios<BR>>><BR=
>>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>and=20
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>
>Hi DJ,
Yes there are a couple from the bulk preset file I somehwre found for all
eds plugins...
I will test it again ,maybe have not given enouph tweak...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Hi Dimitrios,
>
>There aren't any presets...........are there? I've never seen any. I just
>play with it until I like what I hear.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45b39ffc$1@linux...
>>
>> Regarding Nolimit.
>> Whatb preset are you using ??
>> I tried it but never quite liked it like the rest of you.
>> I prefer the stereo compressor for the whole mix where I can raise the
>> volume
>> by its output quite enouph !!
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Well, I figured that since this doesn't need constant
>>>maintenance/calibration and it doesn't draw 10 amps, it wouldn't really
>> show
>>>me much but I have made a very interesting discovery.
>>>
>>>I have a 38 track mix going here. It's the Russ Long produced song that
>>
>>>comes of his instructional DVD called Marianna. I figured I'd use this
>>>since
>>
>>>it's fairly large track count and has a lot of everything as far as
>>>instrumentation goes (acoustic guitar, electric 12 string, electric 6
>>>string, piano, B-3, Mellotron lots o harmony vocals, etc.
>>>
>>>Anyway, I'm streaming this from Cubase SX into Paris and summing there.
>> I've
>>>got Mytek A/D and D/A converters here so I'm routing the Neve tape gadget
>>
>>>through those and strapping it across the mix bus.
>>>
>>>Well I enable external insert across the global bus and start
>>>playback....sounds soft and thick but a bit veilled so I tweak it a bit
>> and
>>>it clears up so I disable the global insert and Paris just jumps out of
>> the
>>>speakers. It's about 4dB hotter than the Neve box on insert so I boost
the
>>
>>>line amp on the Neve and ya know, when I flip them back and forth, the
>>>Paris
>>
>>>mix bus is sounding uncannily like the Neve tape emulator. I'm not kiddin
>>
>>>around here. There is a little bit of difference in the dimensionality
and
>>
>>>sound, but, so far, they can be made to sound almost exactly alike and
in
>> a
>>>dense mix like this it's pretty obvious that there is some similar kind
>> of
>>>mojo happening with both Paris and the Neve...which means that I've now
>>
>>>otten myself into a situation where I'm going to have to test this mix
>>>using
>>
>>>Paris only, Paris with the Neve box, Cubase ITB and cubase with the Neve
>>
>>>box.
>>>
>>>Now the "real" question is, will this Neve tape emulator make the Cubase
>> mix
>>>bus sound like the Paris mix bus if the Cubase mix is properly gainstaged?
>> I
>>>don't even want to do the stem gainstaging, just a good ol' ITB mix with
>>
>>>track levels and panning done in SX and then strap this 5042 across the
>> main
>>>mix. The guy who owns this Neve box is the guy who I've been helping with
>>
>>>the studio install this week. He's coming over this afternoon. He may
need
>>
>>>this back for a session over the weekend and I know he wants to compare
>> this
>>>to what he's getting by tracking to tape on his Otari deck, but next week
>>
>>>he's leaving town for two weeks and I'm pretty sure I can get him to let
>> me
>>>test drive this box for a while while he's gone.
>>>
>>>I'm really shocked at how similar the Paris mix buss sounds to what omes
>> out
>>>the backside of this box when it is serially inserted.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>thanks but my scroll wheel is used by another finger...you know...the
one that signifies you're #1.
;o)
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:46:56 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>so open James' first post on this, then take your little mouse in your hand
>and put your thumb on the scroll wheel and roll it backwards, all the way
>until you don't see any more test......then keep rolling it until you get to
>the bottom of his post.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:qoh6r25jhk21vv8n2pq1qtutmg51rtitoo@4ax.com...
>> would be helpful to include the link...
>>
>> On 21 Jan 2007 16:19:03 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I'll Bite..
>>>What is it..
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>So you want a system with the following:
>>>>
>>>>A hardware interface with lot of analog I/Os, at least 24 to 32 at 24bit
>>>>96k
>>>>
>>>>24 to 32 digital I/O at at least 24bit 96k
>>>>
>>>>A control surface with at least 24 faders, to control your favorite DAW
>>>software.
>>>>
>>>>you want this to integrate with your PC or Mac.
>>>>
>>>>On board DSP with FX processing.
>>>>
>>>>You want near zero latency.
>>>>
>>>>you want it to look impressive.
>>>>
>>>>You want it for 5 to 6K, right?
>>>>
>>>>It exist, but it has some drawbacks. You won't like the form factor, or
>>>>the manufacturer. It has fixed algorithms and the DSP is not
>>>>upgradeable,
>>>>although you can always use the other manufactures DSP cards for plugins.
>>>> For the money it's a hell of a buy and it covers most of the bases.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here it is!
>>>>http://www.tascam.com/Products/dm4800.html
>>
>Good to see some historical facts about where the real problems in Iraq are
coming from.
But how can anyone learn anything about these facts when most of us don't
know anything about them at all?
For me, it is the big $££$ that's making the rules about "our freedom in the
world". We're all being manipulated to have big dollars in our eyes in "the
name of freedom", what ever it costs for "our free world". Great
weaponmuscles have nothing to do with great intelligence and used in "the
name of God", as far as I can understand with my "stupid" head, far away
from America....
Erling
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> skrev i melding
news:45b44c0f$1@linux...
>
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm speechless.
>>Tell me again how Clinton is responsible for the war in Iraq.
>>
>
>
> I'm certain that Clinton is the primary reason for the chaos in Iraq, but
> here are a few extenuating circumstances.
>
>
> 200 years of tribal warring.
>
> Sykes-Picot Agreement.
>
> The British Land Settlement Act.
>
> T. E. Lawrence's role in securing Emir Faisal as monarch.
>
> ****After the 1927 discovery of oil in Kirkuk, bigger players became
> interested.
>
> Rashid Ali al-Kaylani prime minister of Iraq who was collaborating with
> the
> German Nazis (check the history of the Harriman Bank and you will find an
> interesting link between Prescott Bush and Rashid Ali al-Kaylani.)
>
> Joining the Arab League.
>
> The Baghdad Pact in 1956 with the USA.
>
> The Iraq Petroleum Company (a British company) taking 90% of the oil
> profits
> from the Iraq people.
>
> Moscow's intervention in the early 70s (That made the USA real happy).
>
> In 1979 Saddam took control.. That did make us happy since we were mad at
> Iran and Saddam hated Iran.
>
> Mass chemical weapons attack on the city of Halabja in March 1988,
> followed
> by increased trade and arms shipments from the USA. The UK awarded £400
> million
> in trade credits to Iraq ten days after condemning the massacre. The vast
> majority of UK trade credits were used to purchase more arms.
>
> 1970s, Iraq purchased a French nuclear reactor. The US grumbled a little
> but major US players were entrenched in the Iraq nuclear deal. The French
> owned firm Areva NP acquired most of its technology and patents from
> Babcock
> and Wilcox's, Westinghouse and GE (All US firms).
>
> "Desert Storm" followed by a US trade embargo, including no food or
> medicine.
>
> The first and second Bush administration!!
>
>is delivery free?
On 22 Jan 2007 11:22:39 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>After a lot of work, I now can make kick ass pizza at home which means.....you
>can too !
>
>http://www.kfocus.com/pizza1.jpg
>http://www.kfocus.com/pizza2.jpg
>http://www.kfocus.com/pizza3.jpg
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.bread.recipes/browse_thre ad/thread/a64dc9eba1cc0cb3/023aee1176ec4766?hl=en#023aee1176 ec4766Here is what the author wrote about his latency addon for vertex..!!
Track 1 has a latency of 16384 samples. The same is true for track 2. As
track 1 and track 2 have the same latency they are already in sync, but all
other tracks (the remaining 46 tracks) have to be delayed by 16384 samples,
not 32768.
Take another example: Track 1 has a plug-in with 16384 samples of latency.
Track 2 has a plug-in with a latency of 8192 samples. What FaderWorks will
do is: Tracks 1 will pass through as it is, track 2 will be delayed by 8192
samples and all other tracks will be delayed by 16384 samples.
What counts for the overall latency is the largest latency of any track.
You calculate the sum of latencies only for individual tracks when you e.g.
put several uad1 behind on the same track.
ISN'T that WHAT WE WANT ? !!!
If we don't buy this vertex we have to jump off Paris !! :)
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Sorry,
>I wrongly pressed the wrong button here...
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your=20
acoustic<BR>guitars<BR>>>>!!<BR>>>>BEYOND these =
already=20
implemented things this nice plugin has to=20
offer<BR>tha<BR>>>>author will implement the=20
following:<BR>>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all =
paris=20
audio tracks.<BR>>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp =
to =20
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samples.<BR>>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this =
track's=20
vertex dsp vst instance<BR>>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER =
vertex=20
instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples<BR>>!!<BR>>>>Isn't =
that a=20
nice thought ?<BR>>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin =
like eds=20
compressor with a lookahead,<BR>>>>just type the =
corresponding=20
samples in delay and all other tracks=20
get<BR>delayed<BR>>>>automatically !!<BR>>>>I hope =
that we=20
will support this guy with this plugin if we want=20
ci\ontinuing<BR>>>>support...<BR>>>>What do you =
think=20
=
>?><BR>>>>Regards,<BR>>>>Dimitrios <BR>>><BR=
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------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C73E01.CD10FB00--I don't think Google is especially greedy. They are a publicly traded company,
their job is to make money for their shareholders, which they've done quite
well. If smaller companies can't compete and Google cleans their clocks by
providing better services, and does that legally, that's not greed that's
good business.
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
>interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
>antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
>companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
>
>Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
>
>You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
>people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
>the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox
folks
>> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>>
>>
>> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
>> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
>> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You
have
>> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
>> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
>> protecting
>> my privacy.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
>> money
>>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>>
>>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street
all
>>> too much money.
>>>
>>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool
browser
>>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft,
what
>>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>>> and Sowing..
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>>
>>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>>
>>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well?
Could
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>OK, thanks Deej. Let us know when you can...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> Well,
>
> It looks like the product I've been beta testing wasn't announced yet so
> nobody spend another penny for drum related gear until I tell you to.
>
> ;oP
>
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45b3ebb8$1@linux...
>> Videos to check out
>>
>> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4128#
>>
>> Zoom HD 16 mini work station, sampler, control surface, $699.00
>>
>> Roland VG99 Virtual Guitar System
>>
>> Roland V-Synth GT
>>
>> Samson G Track
>>
>> Triad Standback
>>
>>
>> Other stuff:
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/AXL/PR/FX-RA P-5.html
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SubmersibleM usic/PR/Universal-Binary-DrumCore.html
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/SubmersibleM usic/PR/DrumCore-LT.html
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/KRK/PR/Expos e.html
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Apogee/PR/Mi ni-FireWire.html
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/Apogee/PR/AM Bus.html
>>
>> http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM07/Content/AudiotechUSA /PR/Source-Selector.html
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Aaron,
I'll get right on it. I never cut them in the past.
That's why they never worked I guess.
Thanks,
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:45b4cec2@linux...
Tom, it is simple. Select in the editor what tracks you want to solo. =
You can use control+k to cut at the time line if you have a specific =
section you want. With those highlighted, go to the Control 16 and there =
is a specific button for play selected it. That's it. Just undo your =
cuts once you're done here with a control+z.=20
AA
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:45b46e27@linux...
Dimitrios,
I'm still liking it as much as anything else I've heard.
The grouping feature is just another plus although
it must be a pain to use - opening plugins etc..
Have you checked out Brian's technique of soloing within
a Paris editor? I never figured it out but he makes it
look simple like everything else..
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:45b468da$1@linux...
Hi,
Automatic figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.
Although a plug-in reports its latency to the host, a plug-in =
cannot request
this value from another plug-in !
Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic latency detection.
But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a great =
feature !!
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Would be cool.
>I like what Chuck is working on as well.
>If it could automatically figure it out the latency would be =
awesome.
>If you can just type in a latency you knew was greater than the =
largest
it
>would be cool instead of trying to figure out what the actual =
latency is.
>B=20
>
>
>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>
>>Now this is a cool idea.
>>
>>-- thanks -- chas.
>>
>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> =
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice =
guy by
>the
>>>way...
>>>He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual =
delay compensator
>>>suited for us Parisians !!
>>>The concept is the following:
>>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
>>>Benefits.
>>>We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
>>>Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your =
acoustic
guitars
>>>!!
>>>BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has to =
offer
tha
>>>author will implement the following:
>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that =
introduces a
delay
>>>of 64 samples.
>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp =
vst instance
>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 =
samples
>!!
>>>Isn't that a nice thought ?
>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a =
lookahead,
>>>just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other =
tracks get
delayed
>>>automatically !!
>>>I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we =
want ci\ontinuing
>>>support...
>>>What do you think >?>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ll =
get right on=20
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guess.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom, it is simple. Select in the =
editor what=20
tracks you want to solo. You can use control+k to cut at the time line =
if you=20
have a specific section you want. With those highlighted, go to the =
Control 16=20
and there is a specific button for play selected it. That's it. Just =
undo your=20
cuts once you're done here with a control+z. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:45b46e27@linux">news:45b46e27@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still liking it as much as =
anything else=20
I've heard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The grouping feature is just =
another plus=20
although</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it must be a pain to use - opening =
plugins=20
etc..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you checked out Brian's =
technique of=20
soloing within</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a Paris editor? I never =
figured it out=20
but he makes it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>look simple like everything =
else..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:45b468da$1@linux">news:45b468da$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi,<=
BR>Automatic=20
figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.<BR>Although =
a=20
plug-in reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot =
request<BR>this=20
value from another plug-in !<BR>Thats why we are somehow doomed =
for=20
automatic latency detection.<BR>But this hand typing of latency =
for a=20
single plugin is a great feature=20
!!<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
wrote:<BR>><BR>>Would be=20
cool.<BR>>I like what Chuck is working on as well.<BR>>If it =
could=20
automatically figure it out the latency would be =
awesome.<BR>>If you=20
can just type in a latency you knew was greater than the=20
largest<BR>it<BR>>would be cool instead of trying to figure out =
what=20
the actual latency is.<BR>>B <BR>><BR>><BR>>Chas. =
Duncan=20
<duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> =
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Now=20
this is a cool idea.<BR>>><BR>>>-- thanks --=20
chas.<BR>>><BR>>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, =
"Dimitrios"=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
=
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>><BR >>>>Yes.<BR>>>>I=20
contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy=20
by<BR>>the<BR>>>>way...<BR>>>>He will update =
vertex=20
dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay=20
compensator<BR>>>>suited for us Parisians =
!!<BR>>>>The=20
concept is the following:<BR>>>>We put dsp fader vst one =
very=20
paris audio track.<BR>>>>Benefits.<BR>>>>We can =
solo=20
mute certain Paris audio track groups.<BR>>>>Now you can =
solo=20
your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your=20
acoustic<BR>guitars<BR>>>>!!<BR>>>>BEYOND these =
already=20
implemented things this nice plugin has to=20
offer<BR>tha<BR>>>>author will implement the=20
following:<BR>>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all =
paris=20
audio tracks.<BR>>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp =
to =20
audiotrack 1 that introduces a<BR>delay<BR>>>>of 64=20
samples.<BR>>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this =
track's=20
vertex dsp vst instance<BR>>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER =
vertex=20
instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples<BR>>!!<BR>>>>Isn't =
that a=20
nice thought ?<BR>>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin =
like eds=20
compressor with a lookahead,<BR>>>>just type the =
corresponding=20
samples in delay and all other tracks=20
get<BR>delayed<BR>>>>automatically !!<BR>>>>I =
hope that=20
we will support this guy with this plugin if we want=20
ci\ontinuing<BR>>>>support...<BR>>>>What do you =
think=20
=
>?><BR>>>>Regards,<BR>>>>Dimitrios <BR>>><BR=
>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C73E12.7CE16C30--Great.
For your benefitn there is a 30% discount until 31 of January.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"PaulN" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>You can count me in
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>You remember Wormhole ?
>>Although there was a great support for us paris users regarding the update
>>of wormhole I don't think that more than 3-4 of us ,including me, have
bought
>>wormhole.
>>I don't wanna be pushy with your money and urge you to spend them towards
>>anything for that matter but you understand my position and how we Paris
>>users show our appreciation to this author of Vertex...
>>We have to decide if we want some people get involved in developing Paris
>>any further or let eventually Paris fade away...
>>I formyself I am here for me and all of you to fight till nothing can be
>>done...
>>I will buy it because ALREADY is a GREAT plugin because you can SOLO a
bunch
>>of audio tracks along submixes , mute other and finally be able to do what
>>clients sometimes (always ?) ask like can I hear please only the guitars
>>? or can I hear only main and backing vocals ?
>>Now add to the above this Latency compensation thing which was based on
>a
>>idea of mine with manually giving the latency of a certain plugin and letting
>>the rest of audio tracks follow that latency.
>>
>>I am signing this:
>>Dimitrios Bitzenis
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Here is what the author wrote about his latency addon for vertex..!!
>Track 1 has a latency of 16384 samples. The same is true for track 2. As
>track 1 and track 2 have the same latency they are already in sync, but
all
>other tracks (the remaining 46 tracks) have to be delayed by 16384 samples,
>not 32768.
>
>Take another example: Track 1 has a plug-in with 16384 samples of latency.
>Track 2 has a plug-in with a latency of 8192 samples. What FaderWorks will
>do is: Tracks 1 will pass through as it is, track 2 will be delayed by 8192
>samples and all other tracks will be delayed by 16384 samples.
>
>What counts for the overall latency is the largest latency of any track.
>You calculate the sum of latencies only for individual tracks when you e.g.
>put several uad1 behind on the same track.
>
>ISN'T that WHAT WE WANT ? !!!
>If we don't buy this vertex we have to jump off Paris !! :)
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
That is what we want, but extremely high playback latencies will probably
cause a delay between fader and mute actions and audible execution (and also
delay meters). I need to make automation decisions with effects in place,
so extremely long delays could be problematic.
Any chance we could pick from a list or assign a total delay?
Gene
This is exciting.Dear Gene,
The latency is determined on the plugins we put...
It does not matter if the highest possible will be 120000 samples when we
use maximum of two uad1 plugins per track, meaning you can use 2 uad1 plugins
across all your audiotracks if you have many uad cards for a total of 32768
samples if you use FXpansion wrapper or 8192 if you use Chainer wrapper !!
Even with chainer if you go up to 4 uad1 plugins in a row on a single track
,which is mostly unusual the toatl latency of the system with chainer will
be 16384 !!!
Well with fxpansion is 4 times 16384.
I am excited ...
Note that for NON UAD1 card users like me (I sold them :)) we can use all
these eds compressors with lookahead and nolimit with lookahead and compensate
across all submixes for latency !
Also note that waves ren series introduces 64 samples.
T-racks great plugins the same 64.
Also we can compensate for the difference beetween eds cards ,14 samples
and 2 for each thereafter in case you have more than 16 phase related audio
tracks when recording...
I really love that.
I opened 64 instances of vertex with no cpyu load !
Very very light !
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Here is what the author wrote about his latency addon for vertex..!!
>>Track 1 has a latency of 16384 samples. The same is true for track 2. As
>>track 1 and track 2 have the same latency they are already in sync, but
>all
>>other tracks (the remaining 46 tracks) have to be delayed by 16384 samples,
>>not 32768.
>>
>>Take another example: Track 1 has a plug-in with 16384 samples of latency.
>>Track 2 has a plug-in with a latency of 8192 samples. What FaderWorks will
>>do is: Tracks 1 will pass through as it is, track 2 will be delayed by
8192
>>samples and all other tracks will be delayed by 16384 samples.
>>
>>What counts for the overall latency is the largest latency of any track.
>>You calculate the sum of latencies only for individual tracks when you
e.g.
>>put several uad1 behind on the same track.
>>
>>ISN'T that WHAT WE WANT ? !!!
>>If we don't buy this vertex we have to jump off Paris !! :)
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>
>
>That is what we want, but extremely high playback latencies will probably
>cause a delay between fader and mute actions and audible execution (and
also
>delay meters). I need to make automation decisions with effects in place,
>so extremely long delays could be problematic.
>Any chance we could pick from a list or assign a total delay?
>Gene
>This is exciting.
>I know what you are saying Thad, and in concept I agree, but my point is
that the US business model for "good business" is based on greed - e.g.
no limit or ethical boundary for making a profit "by providing better
services", faster or at a higher profit margin.
All the same I guess it's still just speculation. AT&T is still bigger than
Google, and they actually own a large portion of network fiber and cable,
and have threated to start charging users per email, and for bandwidth (via
charging their leasees).
Google's market value (Forbes) is still only a paltry $107B compared to
Exxon at $362B, GE at $348B and Microsoft at $279B. Profits vary
differently, but as a general idea, they aren't much of an influence yet,
other than finding keyword searches.
Worth watching I guess - I don't want any single company to claim ownership
over the network we use to access the internet - eventually that may happen,
and it could only result in us paying just to have this conversation (more
than a monthly access fee).
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/22/07 9:34 AM, in article 45b4d99f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
>
> I don't think Google is especially greedy. They are a publicly traded company,
> their job is to make money for their shareholders, which they've done quite
> well. If smaller companies can't compete and Google cleans their clocks by
> providing better services, and does that legally, that's not greed that's
> good business.
>
> TCB
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
>> interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
>> antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
>> companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
>>
>> Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
>>
>> You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
>> people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
>> the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox
> folks
>>> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>>>
>>>
>>> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
>>> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
>>> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You
> have
>>> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
>>> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
>>> protecting
>>> my privacy.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
>>> money
>>>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>>>
>>>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street
> all
>>>> too much money.
>>>>
>>>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>>>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>>>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool
> browser
>>>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft,
> what
>>>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>>>> and Sowing..
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well?
> Could
>>>>> happen.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>It's a busy mornin. I'll get back to you guys.
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45b44238@linux...
>
> Heh, gotcha. You're talking about them thar UNPATRIOTIC fools who won't
> give up their personal liberties to fall lock step behind the, er, head
> fool, eh? :^)
>
> I dunno, that sort of blatant spin isn't working as well these days. We're
> down to around 25% or so who think Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield are
> geniuses, or are at least taking enough of Scaife's money to say so.
>
> For anyone in that boat, I recommend constant listening to talk radio
> windbags and cable blather so you can be reinforced in the comforting
> ability to blame everyone else for the problems. Especially anyone who
> values civil liberties or social responsibility, or who think there might
> be human beings who are Islamic. Commies! Liberals! Freaks!
>
> In the Scaife bunch, the buck stops with anyone who disagrees with the
> neocon con job. The rare time the buck stops with the Whitehouse is
> usually in a sentence that includes the word "Clinton." Very convenient
> but inadequate.
>
> Sure there are a few facts in there to spice things up, but overall that
> telling of the story is as full of fantasy as any joke with Democrats and
> flying saucers.
>
> It's our right as Americans to have those misguided notions. Meanwhile
> I'll feel free to disagree with both the current administration where they
> fail to think things through, and with anyone who thinks I don't have the
> right to see that they are, by and large, leading my country down the
> wrong path and over a cliff.
>
> Not to defend the Democrats or anything because there is plenty of blame
> to go around with administrations in both parties back at least to the
> early part of the century. But especially with the administration we have
> now.
>
> BTW, here's some provocative free speech that may annoy you, although a
> few entries might amuse you. Remember, it's probably a joke:
>
> http://buffalobeast.com/113/50_most_loathsome_2006.htm
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> I'm not talking about unquestioned anything. I'm talking about common
>> sense.
>>
>> Many liberal Democrats:
>>
>> 1. believe we are not in a war.............or
>> 2. believe we are in a war we can't win.......and/or
>> 3. believe that it's OK to divulge war strategy to our enemies in the
>> name of freedom of speech.........and/or
>> 4. don't realize that if we lose this war, their freedom of speech and
>> basically every other liberal cause that is dear to them will be toast
>> and they will be the first to be slaughtered by those that they currently
>> unwittingly (or willingly, for political purposes) aid and abet.
>>
>> More and more weasel'esque Republicans are starting to echo this in order
>> to save their political arsses. The bottom line is that to win a fight,
>> you need to be unified and you need to go to any lengths to get it over
>> with quickly. This current situation in Iraq would have never happened if
>> Clinton hadn't lived by the polls and not let an existing war drag on
>> for 10 years and it's highly likely, IMHO, that things would be very
>> different today if, subsequent to the disclosure of the perfidious
>> behaviour of our "allies" that this country had united even further and
>> realized that the threat we face is not just from the Islamic
>> fundamentalists, but from the gutless behaviour of their own
>> socialist/liberal role models worldwide. Our enemies, having been
>> presented with with a historic precedent, have been encouraged to fight
>> on because history has proven to them (and in doing so, Bin Ladin has
>> been validated) that all they need to do is to hang on until we lose our
>> will to fight and therefore defeat ourselves.
>>
>> ........thus, the lemming analogy.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45b3c6ff@linux...
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> I just get this feeling that the Lemming gene is spliced into the party
>>>> DNA somewhere...........
>>> I hear you. Unquestioning following is a problem. We've been over the
>>> cliff with both major parties.
>>>
>>> Most recently with the abdication of oversight responsibilities by the
>>> last congress, Republican controlled in that case.
>>>
>>> Did you know the biggest "party" in Colorado, based on voter
>>> registration, is independents?
>>>
>>> Good sign.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45b26b5a@linux...
>>>>> Whoever created any group that can "accept without much questioning"
>>>>> is probably an insecure moron or clever dictator wannabe.
>>>>>
>>>>> They say Democrats are tougher to herd. Probably a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Independents can't even be rounded up. More pesky questioning than you
>>>>> can shake a dittohead at.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe that's why Rove likes to keep public appearances of his guy
>>>>> closed to the actual public.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> ROTFL!!!.........and so who created democrats???.....Jimmy Durante?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:m3t3r2da0h3gkh2qmpuh8s9frp5no60p54@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> that's why god created republicans...;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:46:11 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ........heheheh!!!!!!!!!...........funny how it is easy to accept
>>>>>>>> it without
>>>>>>>> much questioning though, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:45b1438a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Heh. Why am I not surprised that Frank Luntz is involved?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_roswell_democrats.h tm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, bdays listed there:
>>>>>>>>> Hillary Clinton: October 26, 1947
>>>>>>>>> John Kerry: December 11, 1943
>>>>>>>>> Bill Clinton - August 19, 1946
>>>>>>>>> Howard Dean - November 17, 1948
>>>>>>>>> Nancy Pelosi - March 26, 1940
>>>>>>>>> Dianne Feinstein - June 22, 1933
>>>>>>>>> Charles Schumer - November 23, 1950
>>>>>>>>> Barbara Boxer - November 11, 1940
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So clearly since this bunch doesn't qualify, there must be OTHER
>>>>>>>>> aliens
>>>>>>>>> wandering around, perhaps in positions of power...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Many will recall that on July 8, 1947, witnesses claimed that an
>>>>>>>>>> unidentified object with five aliens aboard crashed onto a sheep
>>>>>>>>>> ranch just outside Roswell, New Mexico.
>>>>>>>>>> This is a well-known incident that many say has long been covered
>>>>>>>>>> up by the U.S. Air Force and the federal government.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, you may NOT know that in the month of March 1948,
>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>> nine months after that historic day, Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.,
>>>>>>>>>> Hillary Rodham, John F. Kerry, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted
>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy,
>>>>>>>>>> Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, Charles E. Schumer,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Barbara Boxer were born.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmmmm..........what a great piece of information.
>>But almost all of these things took place within Bill Clinton's
lifetime, right? Can you prove that he wasn't somehow pulling strings
all along? From down there in Hope, Arkansas?
-- skeptical in CA (chas.)
On 22 Jan 2007 16:30:55 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>I’m speechless.
>>Tell me again how Clinton is responsible for the war in Iraq.
>>
>
>
>I’m certain that Clinton is the primary reason for the chaos in Iraq, but
>here are a few extenuating circumstances.
>
>
>200 years of tribal warring.
>
>Sykes-Picot Agreement.
>
>The British Land Settlement Act.
>
>T. E. Lawrence’s role in securing Emir Faisal as monarch.
>
>****After the 1927 discovery of oil in Kirkuk, bigger players became interested…
>
>Rashid Ali al-Kaylani prime minister of Iraq who was collaborating with the
>German Nazis (check the history of the Harriman Bank and you will find an
>interesting link between Prescott Bush and Rashid Ali al-Kaylani.)
>
>Joining the Arab League.
>
>The Baghdad Pact in 1956 with the USA.
>
>The Iraq Petroleum Company (a British company) taking 90% of the oil profits
>from the Iraq people.
>
>Moscow’s intervention in the early 70s (That made the USA real happy).
>
>In 1979 Saddam took control.. That did make us happy since we were mad at
>Iran and Saddam hated Iran.
>
>Mass chemical weapons attack on the city of Halabja in March 1988, followed
>by increased trade and arms shipments from the USA. The UK awarded £400 million
>in trade credits to Iraq ten days after condemning the massacre. The vast
>majority of UK trade credits were used to purchase more arms.
>
>1970s, Iraq purchased a French nuclear reactor. The US grumbled a little
>but major US players were entrenched in the Iraq nuclear deal. The French
>owned firm Areva NP acquired most of its technology and patent
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Sat, 23 December 2006 14:10 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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gio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>Well this guy is willing to help us out with whatever benefits will arrise
>for him by buying his plugin...
>Note that his plugin has a discount until 31 of January , around 46-47 $
>final price.
>WE HAVE TO SHOW our appreciation on developers like him as we can ask for
>further Paris support, like maybe wdm drivers ???
>NOW he asks for some input from us.
>Here is what he wrote on his last email...
>To be flexible enough it is certainly possible to choose a much larger latency
>buffer, but consider this: A buffer consumes memory, e.g. 65536 samples need
>262144 bytes per channel (each sample is 32 bit floating point for VST).
>If you run e.g. 48 (stereo?)-tracks with 48 instances of FaderWorks you need
>48 * 2 * 262144 bytes = 25 MB of memory. Should be no problem for today's
>computers, but some users have Win98, so I'm not sure if RAM memory could
>be an issue. If not, I would suggest about 132000 samples as upper limit
>(needs about 1 MB per FaderWorks instance). What do you (or others) think
>about it?
>
>
>I will buy this later this afternoon. No kidding.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45b4e025$1@linux...
>
> Dear Gene,
> The latency is determined on the plugins we put...
> It does not matter if the highest possible will be 120000 samples when we
> use maximum of two uad1 plugins per track, meaning you can use 2 uad1
> plugins
> across all your audiotracks if you have many uad cards for a total of
> 32768
> samples if you use FXpansion wrapper or 8192 if you use Chainer wrapper !!
> Even with chainer if you go up to 4 uad1 plugins in a row on a single
> track
> ,which is mostly unusual the toatl latency of the system with chainer will
> be 16384 !!!
> Well with fxpansion is 4 times 16384.
> I am excited ...
> Note that for NON UAD1 card users like me (I sold them :)) we can use all
> these eds compressors with lookahead and nolimit with lookahead and
> compensate
> across all submixes for latency !
> Also note that waves ren series introduces 64 samples.
> T-racks great plugins the same 64.
> Also we can compensate for the difference beetween eds cards ,14 samples
> and 2 for each thereafter in case you have more than 16 phase related
> audio
> tracks when recording...
> I really love that.
> I opened 64 instances of vertex with no cpyu load !
> Very very light !
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Here is what the author wrote about his latency addon for vertex..!!
>>>Track 1 has a latency of 16384 samples. The same is true for track 2. As
>>>track 1 and track 2 have the same latency they are already in sync, but
>>all
>>>other tracks (the remaining 46 tracks) have to be delayed by 16384
>>>samples,
>>>not 32768.
>>>
>>>Take another example: Track 1 has a plug-in with 16384 samples of
>>>latency.
>>>Track 2 has a plug-in with a latency of 8192 samples. What FaderWorks
>>>will
>>>do is: Tracks 1 will pass through as it is, track 2 will be delayed by
> 8192
>>>samples and all other tracks will be delayed by 16384 samples.
>>>
>>>What counts for the overall latency is the largest latency of any track.
>>>You calculate the sum of latencies only for individual tracks when you
> e.g.
>>>put several uad1 behind on the same track.
>>>
>>>ISN'T that WHAT WE WANT ? !!!
>>>If we don't buy this vertex we have to jump off Paris !! :)
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>
>>That is what we want, but extremely high playback latencies will probably
>>cause a delay between fader and mute actions and audible execution (and
> also
>>delay meters). I need to make automation decisions with effects in place,
>>so extremely long delays could be problematic.
>>Any chance we could pick from a list or assign a total delay?
>>Gene
>>This is exciting.
>>
>Well there is no pick from the list thing.
If you read all the posts you will understand that the latency is due to
the amount you manually type on a ceratin vertex instance vst plugin.
so if you put a 64 samples latent vst plugin you just type 64 and all other
audio tracks get delayed that amount !
The author just asks how much would be the maximum possible latency needed
because the 132000 maximum (only maximum if you will ever reach that ) the
author suggests uses 1 mb memory per vertex instance , so for 32 audio tracks
with vertex 32mb will be needed, for 64 paris audio tracks with vertex 64
mb will be needed.
I aggree with the author's 132000 samples as maximum ,if you will ever reach
that I say again.
Normally you would never pass 1000 without uad1 plugins...
Regards,
Dimitrios
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>
>Gene/Dimitrios:
>
>Would it even be necessary to "pick from a list" or "assign" total
>delay? Seems like the total delay would simply be as low (or as high)
>as needed to compensate for the plugins used. (Unless I'm missing
>something, which is always a possibility...)
>
>As for me -- I'm still on 98, 512 ram -- could I run this thing right
>now, just to compensate for EDS fx offsets, submix offsets, etc.?
>
>-- interested in how this turns out -- thanks -- chas.
>
>
>On 23 Jan 2007 02:54:04 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Here is what the author wrote about his latency addon for vertex..!!
>>>Track 1 has a latency of 16384 samples. The same is true for track 2.
As
>>>track 1 and track 2 have the same latency they are already in sync, but
>>all
>>>other tracks (the remaining 46 tracks) have to be delayed by 16384 samples,
>>>not 32768.
>>>
>>>Take another example: Track 1 has a plug-in with 16384 samples of latency.
>>>Track 2 has a plug-in with a latency of 8192 samples. What FaderWorks
will
>>>do is: Tracks 1 will pass through as it is, track 2 will be delayed by
8192
>>>samples and all other tracks will be delayed by 16384 samples.
>>>
>>>What counts for the overall latency is the largest latency of any track.
>>>You calculate the sum of latencies only for individual tracks when you
e.g.
>>>put several uad1 behind on the same track.
>>>
>>>ISN'T that WHAT WE WANT ? !!!
>>>If we don't buy this vertex we have to jump off Paris !! :)
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>
>>That is what we want, but extremely high playback latencies will probably
>>cause a delay between fader and mute actions and audible execution (and
also
>>delay meters). I need to make automation decisions with effects in place,
>>so extremely long delays could be problematic.
>>Any chance we could pick from a list or assign a total delay?
>>Gene
>>This is exciting.
>Glad you mention it.
YES it will work under win98 and Me but "officially" there is no support
for these platforms.
Don't worry though because he is helpful all the way.
hats why he suugest maximum 132000 samples latency for win98 users who dopn't
have large amount of ram.
Regards,
Dimitrios
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>
>The Vertex site lists "Win 2000 or XP" as minimum requirements -- do
>we know whether or not it runs on 98?
>
>-- I guess maybe I'll email him myself. Just thought I'd mention this
>in case others are considering.
>
>thanks -- chas.
>
>On 22 Jan 2007 18:37:44 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi,
>>Well this guy is willing to help us out with whatever benefits will arrise
>>for him by buying his plugin...
>>Note that his plugin has a discount until 31 of January , around 46-47
$
>>final price.
>>WE HAVE TO SHOW our appreciation on developers like him as we can ask for
>>further Paris support, like maybe wdm drivers ???
>>NOW he asks for some input from us.
>>Here is what he wrote on his last email...
>>To be flexible enough it is certainly possible to choose a much larger
latency
>>buffer, but consider this: A buffer consumes memory, e.g. 65536 samples
need
>>262144 bytes per channel (each sample is 32 bit floating point for VST).
>>If you run e.g. 48 (stereo?)-tracks with 48 instances of FaderWorks you
need
>>48 * 2 * 262144 bytes = 25 MB of memory. Should be no problem for today's
>>computers, but some users have Win98, so I'm not sure if RAM memory could
>>be an issue. If not, I would suggest about 132000 samples as upper limit
>>(needs about 1 MB per FaderWorks instance). What do you (or others) think
>>about it?
>>
>>
>>
>Great DJ,
This is the best answer to his kind efforts to even hear our cries for support
!
He is laready planning the vertex update without even knowing if Paris people
will support him and his plugin.
I am very excited that a clever "manual" latency compensator will be usable
for parisians.
We just have to make a big latency table accessible to everyone where every
know plugin must be listed .
I will contribute for sure in this list.
DJ 132000 samples as maximum is enouph for you ?
It needs to be configured from the beginning of the writting of vertex update.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I will buy this later this afternoon. No kidding.
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:45b4e025$1@linux...
>>
>> Dear Gene,
>> The latency is determined on the plugins we put...
>> It does not matter if the highest possible will be 120000 samples when
we
>> use maximum of two uad1 plugins per track, meaning you can use 2 uad1
>> plugins
>> across all your audiotracks if you have many uad cards for a total of
>> 32768
>> samples if you use FXpansion wrapper or 8192 if you use Chainer wrapper
!!
>> Even with chainer if you go up to 4 uad1 plugins in a row on a single
>> track
>> ,which is mostly unusual the toatl latency of the system with chainer
will
>> be 16384 !!!
>> Well with fxpansion is 4 times 16384.
>> I am excited ...
>> Note that for NON UAD1 card users like me (I sold them :)) we can use
all
>> these eds compressors with lookahead and nolimit with lookahead and
>> compensate
>> across all submixes for latency !
>> Also note that waves ren series introduces 64 samples.
>> T-racks great plugins the same 64.
>> Also we can compensate for the difference beetween eds cards ,14 samples
>> and 2 for each thereafter in case you have more than 16 phase related
>> audio
>> tracks when recording...
>> I really love that.
>> I opened 64 instances of vertex with no cpyu load !
>> Very very light !
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Here is what the author wrote about his latency addon for vertex..!!
>>>>Track 1 has a latency of 16384 samples. The same is true for track 2.
As
>>>>track 1 and track 2 have the same latency they are already in sync, but
>>>all
>>>>other tracks (the remaining 46 tracks) have to be delayed by 16384
>>>>samples,
>>>>not 32768.
>>>>
>>>>Take another example: Track 1 has a plug-in with 16384 samples of
>>>>latency.
>>>>Track 2 has a plug-in with a latency of 8192 samples. What FaderWorks
>>>>will
>>>>do is: Tracks 1 will pass through as it is, track 2 will be delayed by
>> 8192
>>>>samples and all other tracks will be delayed by 16384 samples.
>>>>
>>>>What counts for the overall latency is the largest latency of any track.
>>>>You calculate the sum of latencies only for individual tracks when you
>> e.g.
>>>>put several uad1 behind on the same track.
>>>>
>>>>ISN'T that WHAT WE WANT ? !!!
>>>>If we don't buy this vertex we have to jump off Paris !! :)
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That is what we want, but extremely high playback latencies will probably
>>>cause a delay between fader and mute actions and audible execution (and
>> also
>>>delay meters). I need to make automation decisions with effects in place,
>>>so extremely long delays could be problematic.
>>>Any chance we could pick from a list or assign a total delay?
>>>Gene
>>>This is exciting.
>>>
>>
>
>Damien,
Check into the Roland SPD-S drum pad. I'm using one in my live set-up and
think it's killer. I prepare all my samples on the computer, load them on a
Compact Flash card, then plug the card into the SPD-S. It's real easy to
import custom samples and it comes with a huge collection of samples and
loops. There are different ways to set it up, but I've got it set so that
hitting a pad starts the loop and hitting it again stops the loop.
Here's are link:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/SPD-S/
Tony
"Damien Gelée" <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
news:45b34b8d@linux...
> Hello,
>
> Are hardware samplers able to load multiple samples or loops that i can
> start or stop just hitting a multipad, i mean, sample 1 start = pad one,
> sample one stop = pad two, etc ...? do they recall the midi layout ?
> Is there something like "supersmarttimestretch' fonction, witch adjust
> the loop tempo with a given tempo, played on a pad (i guess no) ?
>
> I've been reading specs from AKAI and EMU samplers, but i have'nt found
> the science (...)
>Hi,
I have a friend who has a control room with low ceiling in front around 4x5
meters and higher ceiling in back, it is build in a roof.
He claims that his Genelecs do not produce enouph bass response as he knows
that these monitor output.
Can this control room contribute in a way that it doesn't allow enouph bass
to be heard ?
I know the opposite and how you can solve that but lack of bass ?
Any tips ?
Regards,
DimitriosYeah, I use it all the time. Also has the benifit of hearing and effects you
have on it in solo AND talent can hear the solo.
This makes for a very flexible solo function. If I'm tracking and I wan't
to solo and have the talent NOT here it that way, I use the normal solo button.
If the talent wants to hear what they've done solo'd up I use the "play selection"
method (al a Brian's technique)
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>
>Tom, it is simple. Select in the editor what tracks you want to solo. =
>You can use control+k to cut at the time line if you have a specific =
>section you want. With those highlighted, go to the Control 16 and there
=
>is a specific button for play selected it. That's it. Just undo your =
>cuts once you're done here with a control+z.=20
>
>AA
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>news:45b46e27@linux...
> Dimitrios,
> I'm still liking it as much as anything else I've heard.
> The grouping feature is just another plus although
> it must be a pain to use - opening plugins etc..
>
> Have you checked out Brian's technique of soloing within
> a Paris editor? I never figured it out but he makes it
> look simple like everything else..
> Tom
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
>news:45b468da$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> Automatic figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.
> Although a plug-in reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot
=
>request
> this value from another plug-in !
> Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic latency detection.
> But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a great =
>feature !!
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >
> >Would be cool.
> >I like what Chuck is working on as well.
> >If it could automatically figure it out the latency would be =
>awesome.
> >If you can just type in a latency you knew was greater than the =
>largest
> it
> >would be cool instead of trying to figure out what the actual =
>latency is.
> >B=20
> >
> >
> >Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
> >>
> >>Now this is a cool idea.
> >>
> >>-- thanks -- chas.
> >>
> >>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> =
>wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Yes.
> >>>I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice =
>guy by
> >the
> >>>way...
> >>>He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual =
>delay compensator
> >>>suited for us Parisians !!
> >>>The concept is the following:
> >>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
> >>>Benefits.
> >>>We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
> >>>Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your =
>acoustic
> guitars
> >>>!!
> >>>BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has to =
>offer
> tha
> >>>author will implement the following:
> >>>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
> >>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that =
>introduces a
> delay
> >>>of 64 samples.
> >>>What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp vst
=
>instance
> >>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 =
>samples
> >!!
> >>>Isn't that a nice thought ?
> >>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a =
>lookahead,
> >>>just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other tracks
=
>get
> delayed
> >>>automatically !!
> >>>I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we want
=
>ci\ontinuing
> >>>support...
> >>>What do you think >?>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>Dimitrios
> >>
> >
>
>
>
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=
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>you want to solo. You can use control+k to cut at the time line if you =
>have a=20
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=
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> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A href=3D"news:45b46e27@linux">news:45b46e27@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm still liking it as much as =
>anything else I've=20
> heard.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The grouping feature is just another
=
>plus=20
> although</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it must be a pain to use - opening =
>plugins=20
> etc..</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you checked out Brian's =
>technique of soloing=20
> within</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a Paris editor? I never figured =
>it out but=20
> he makes it</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>look simple like everything =
>else..</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:45b468da$1@linux">news:45b468da$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi,<=
>BR>Automatic=20
> figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.<BR>Although a
=
>plug-in=20
> reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot request<BR>this =
>value from=20
> another plug-in !<BR>Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic =
>latency=20
> detection.<BR>But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is
=
>a great=20
> feature !!<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Would =
>be=20
> cool.<BR>>I like what Chuck is working on as well.<BR>>If it =
>could=20
> automatically figure it out the latency would be awesome.<BR>>If =
>you can=20
> just type in a latency you knew was greater than the=20
> largest<BR>it<BR>>would be cool instead of trying to figure out =
>what the=20
> actual latency is.<BR>>B <BR>><BR>><BR>>Chas. Duncan=20
> <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> =
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Now this=20
> is a cool idea.<BR>>><BR>>>-- thanks --=20
> chas.<BR>>><BR>>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, =
>"Dimitrios"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
>
> =
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>Yes.<BR>>>>I=20
> contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice guy=20
> by<BR>>the<BR>>>>way...<BR>>>>He will update =
>vertex dsp=20
> fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay =
>compensator<BR>>>>suited=20
> for us Parisians !!<BR>>>>The concept is the=20
> following:<BR>>>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio=20
> track.<BR>>>>Benefits.<BR>>>>We can solo mute =
>certain=20
> Paris audio track groups.<BR>>>>Now you can solo your =
>drumtracks=20
> only or maybe mute all your=20
> acoustic<BR>guitars<BR>>>>!!<BR>>>>BEYOND these =
>already=20
> implemented things this nice plugin has to=20
> offer<BR>tha<BR>>>>author will implement the=20
> following:<BR>>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all =
>paris=20
> audio tracks.<BR>>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp =
>to =20
> audiotrack 1 that introduces a<BR>delay<BR>>>>of 64=20
> samples.<BR>>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this =
>track's=20
> vertex dsp vst instance<BR>>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER =
>vertex=20
> instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples<BR>>!!<BR>>>>Isn't =
>that a=20
> nice thought ?<BR>>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin =
>like eds=20
> compressor with a lookahead,<BR>>>>just type the =
>corresponding=20
> samples in delay and all other tracks=20
> get<BR>delayed<BR>>>>automatically !!<BR>>>>I hope =
>that we=20
> will support this guy with this plugin if we want=20
> ci\ontinuing<BR>>>>support...<BR>>>>What do you =
>think=20
> =
>>?><BR>>>>Regards,<BR>>>>Dimitrios<BR>>><BR=
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>
>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
laptop.
Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
noticeably slower with it
(email takes forever to open, etc).
Thanks,
Dedricbeen using avg for years and it has stopped everything. i update the
definitions weekly on all computers. eff norton...go avg free.
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:35:25 -0700, "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com>
wrote:
>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>
>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>laptop.
>
>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>
>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>noticeably slower with it
>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>
>Thanks,
>Dedric
>LOL! Thanks, just got back in... shot you an E on the personal account.
David.
DJ wrote:
> The horse has left the barn......I repeat.........the horse has left the
> barn.........and the horse is a glossy horse, not one of those POS satin
> finish horses.
>
> Hope you are having fun at the audio toystore this weekend.
>
> ;o)
>
>Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>
>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>laptop.
>
>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>
>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>noticeably slower with it
>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>
>Thanks,
>Dedric
>
>And to think I deleted my "no snide remarks from the Mac community - your
day is coming" comment....
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b50738$1@linux...
>
> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>
>>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>laptop.
>>
>>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>
>>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>
>>noticeably slower with it
>>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dedric
>>
>>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45b0d9dd$1@linux...
> I've never been able to understand why PSP isn't a better known and more
> respected
> name. I think they make superb softwarew that is almost freakishly stable.
> Oh well, more cool stuff for me.
Agreed. I had fun hanging at the PSP booth for a bit. The other guy
sharing the spot was Stefano Daino, who sells DSP-Quattro, which is now my
favorite two-track editor! Funny, but this guy was the developer behind
Spark, which used to be sold by TC. I'm chuckling about that, as TC used to
brag about German engineering, and Stefano is Italian! :-)
I think my personal favorite stuff (that I didn't know about before) at NAMM
this year was the effects units made by Pigtronix! They have a
phaser/envelope follower that is amazing! They're also coming out with a
delay unit that uses the divine proportion (phi) to calculate echos...
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.comLoL
Anyways
AVG and Nod 32 seem to be the least obtrusive on audio machines.
I still think that it is Norton that writes all the viruses!!
Dedric Terry wrote:
> And to think I deleted my "no snide remarks from the Mac community - your
> day is coming" comment....
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45b50738$1@linux...
>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>
>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>> laptop.
>>>
>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>
>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>>> noticeably slower with it
>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>
>
--
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(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
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I just bought it for $45. I also sent an email to Peter.
I can't wait!
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:45b4dd9e$1@linux...
Great.
For your benefitn there is a 30% discount until 31 of January.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"PaulN" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>You can count me in
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>You remember Wormhole ?
>>Although there was a great support for us paris users regarding the =
update
>>of wormhole I don't think that more than 3-4 of us ,including me, =
have
bought
>>wormhole.
>>I don't wanna be pushy with your money and urge you to spend them =
towards
>>anything for that matter but you understand my position and how we =
Paris
>>users show our appreciation to this author of Vertex...
>>We have to decide if we want some people get involved in developing =
Paris
>>any further or let eventually Paris fade away...
>>I formyself I am here for me and all of you to fight till nothing =
can be
>>done...
>>I will buy it because ALREADY is a GREAT plugin because you can SOLO =
a
bunch
>>of audio tracks along submixes , mute other and finally be able to =
do what
>>clients sometimes (always ?) ask like can I hear please only the =
guitars
>>? or can I hear only main and backing vocals ?
>>Now add to the above this Latency compensation thing which was based =
on
>a
>>idea of mine with manually giving the latency of a certain plugin =
and letting
>>the rest of audio tracks follow that latency.
>>
>>I am signing this:
>>Dimitrios Bitzenis
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just bought it for $45. I also =
sent an=20
email to Peter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can't wait!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:45b4dd9e$1@linux">news:45b4dd9e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Grea=
t.<BR>For=20
your benefitn there is a 30% discount until 31 of=20
January.<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"PaulN" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:paul@nospam.com">paul@nospam.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>You can count me =
in<BR>><BR>><BR>>"Dimitrios"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Hi,<BR>>>You remember Wormhole=20
?<BR>>>Although there was a great support for us paris users =
regarding=20
the update<BR>>>of wormhole I don't think that more than 3-4 of =
us=20
,including me, have<BR>bought<BR>>>wormhole.<BR>>>I don't =
wanna be=20
pushy with your money and urge you to spend them =
towards<BR>>>anything=20
for that matter but you understand my position and how we=20
Paris<BR>>>users show our appreciation to this author of=20
Vertex...<BR>>>We have to decide if we want some people get =
involved in=20
developing Paris<BR>>>any further or let eventually Paris fade=20
away...<BR>>>I formyself I am here for me and all of you to =
fight till=20
nothing can be<BR>>>done...<BR>>>I will buy it because =
ALREADY is=20
a GREAT plugin because you can SOLO a<BR>bunch<BR>>>of audio =
tracks=20
along submixes , mute other and finally be able to do =
what<BR>>>clients=20
sometimes (always ?) ask like can I hear please only the =
guitars<BR>>>?=20
or can I hear only main and backing vocals ?<BR>>>Now add to the =
above=20
this Latency compensation thing which was based =
on<BR>>a<BR>>>idea of=20
mine with manually giving the latency of a certain plugin and=20
letting<BR>>>the rest of audio tracks follow that=20
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> I still think that it is Norton that writes all the viruses!!
LOL. And at the least, they wouldn't have to - their software is already
worse.
Thanks for the suggestions Chris and Rick, and thanks for the humorous
interlude James. ;-)
Regards,
Dedric
>
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> And to think I deleted my "no snide remarks from the Mac community - your
>> day is coming" comment....
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:45b50738$1@linux...
>>> Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've
>>> found
>>> is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>> This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>>
>>>> What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for
>>>> PC?
>>>> I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>>> laptop.
>>>>
>>>> Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>>
>>>> I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop
>>>> runs
>>>> noticeably slower with it
>>>> (email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.comHi Tom,
Great !
I hope that more people will consider Paris when making nice little appz
like this !
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I just bought it for $45. I also sent an email to Peter.
>I can't wait!
>Tom
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
>news:45b4dd9e$1@linux...
>
> Great.
> For your benefitn there is a 30% discount until 31 of January.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "PaulN" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >You can count me in
> >
> >
> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>You remember Wormhole ?
> >>Although there was a great support for us paris users regarding the
=
>update
> >>of wormhole I don't think that more than 3-4 of us ,including me, =
>have
> bought
> >>wormhole.
> >>I don't wanna be pushy with your money and urge you to spend them =
>towards
> >>anything for that matter but you understand my position and how we =
>Paris
> >>users show our appreciation to this author of Vertex...
> >>We have to decide if we want some people get involved in developing
=
>Paris
> >>any further or let eventually Paris fade away...
> >>I formyself I am here for me and all of you to fight till nothing =
>can be
> >>done...
> >>I will buy it because ALREADY is a GREAT plugin because you can SOLO
=
>a
> bunch
> >>of audio tracks along submixes , mute other and finally be able to =
>do what
> >>clients sometimes (always ?) ask like can I hear please only the =
>guitars
> >>? or can I hear only main and backing vocals ?
> >>Now add to the above this Latency compensation thing which was based
=
>on
> >a
> >>idea of mine with manually giving the latency of a certain plugin =
>and letting
> >>the rest of audio tracks follow that latency.
> >>
> >>I am signing this:
> >>Dimitrios Bitzenis
> >
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just bought it for $45. I also =
>sent an=20
>email to Peter.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can't wait!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:45b4dd9e$1@linux">news:45b4dd9e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Grea=
>t.<BR>For=20
> your benefitn there is a 30% discount until 31 of=20
> January.<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"PaulN" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:paul@nospam.com">paul@nospam.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>You can count me =
>in<BR>><BR>><BR>>"Dimitrios"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Hi,<BR>>>You remember Wormhole=20
> ?<BR>>>Although there was a great support for us paris users =
>regarding=20
> the update<BR>>>of wormhole I don't think that more than 3-4 of =
>us=20
> ,including me, have<BR>bought<BR>>>wormhole.<BR>>>I don't =
>wanna be=20
> pushy with your money and urge you to spend them =
>towards<BR>>>anything=20
> for that matter but you understand my position and how we=20
> Paris<BR>>>users show our appreciation to this author of=20
> Vertex...<BR>>>We have to decide if we want some people get =
>involved in=20
> developing Paris<BR>>>any further or let eventually Paris fade=20
> away...<BR>>>I formyself I am here for me and all of you to =
>fight till=20
> nothing can be<BR>>>done...<BR>>>I will buy it because =
>ALREADY is=20
> a GREAT plugin because you can SOLO a<BR>bunch<BR>>>of audio =
>tracks=20
> along submixes , mute other and finally be able to do =
>what<BR>>>clients=20
> sometimes (always ?) ask like can I hear please only the =
>guitars<BR>>>?=20
> or can I hear only main and backing vocals ?<BR>>>Now add to the =
>above=20
> this Latency compensation thing which was based =
>on<BR>>a<BR>>>idea of=20
> mine with manually giving the latency of a certain plugin and=20
> letting<BR>>>the rest of audio tracks follow that=20
> latency.<BR>>><BR>>>I am signing =
>this:<BR>>>Dimitrios=20
> Bitzenis<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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>Yes, rooms can really have a big impact on bass. I hope DC responds to
this post...
Try listening in mono to one speaker in the room, and have your friend
move the speaker. You should be able to find a position where the bass
isn't getting canceled out by the room. This can also vary by height.
Your friend may need to totally reposition the console/desk layout to
get it working. They may also need serious bass trapping -- but unless
a position change gives you something close to accurate, you're in real
trouble.
Good luck to your friend!
Graham
Dimitrios wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a friend who has a control room with low ceiling in front around 4x5
> meters and higher ceiling in back, it is build in a roof.
> He claims that his Genelecs do not produce enouph bass response as he knows
> that these monitor output.
> Can this control room contribute in a way that it doesn't allow enouph bass
> to be heard ?
> I know the opposite and how you can solve that but lack of bass ?
> Any tips ?
> Regards,
> DimitriosSecurity by obscurity, James.
http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>
>>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>laptop.
>>
>>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>
>>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>
>>noticeably slower with it
>>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dedric
>>
>>
>On my Windows boxes I use AntiVir. Free as in beer, not as in speech. I've
been meaning to look into a GPL'd option but haven't had time yet. It's this
http://sourceforge.net/projects/clamwin/ I think its primary drawback is
no real time file scan, but that might be fixed now. I certainly think AV
and security software are specifically places where the source should absolutely
be open.
If I have time to run it I'll let you know results.
Best rootkit software I've seen is
http://www.antirootkit.com/software/RootKit-Unhooker.htm
TCB
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>
>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>laptop.
>
>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>
>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>noticeably slower with it
>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>
>Thanks,
>Dedric
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45b27015$1@linux...
> Ladie and gentlemen,in the year of Lord 2007 AD, we seem to be caught in a
> quagmire or a stomp in the road as far as new , cool , and usefull product
> development in the Pro audio industry.
I think I understand the sentiment, but I wonder how many times you can
reinvent a recording system - has the basic idea behind a preamp, a
compressor or a recorded track changed much lately? I do see changes in the
way recording technology is being used - I was talking to an engineer at
NAMM, and he was saying that he has changed the way he works again to
accomodate recent systems. I guess the earliest stage of recording was when
you printed tracks with everything already on them, then you might adjust
track leve
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ls on the way back out, but other than that, the output was pretty
much directly related to the input. Then we got to the stage where we could
record dry tracks and really manipulate them on the way back out, especially
with the big half-million dollar multi-channel consoles. Now though, with
the current trends of down-sized studios, mixing in the box digitally, and
having no computer hardware "personality", no headroom, etc, he was saying
they try to record everything in the old way, with the best mics, preamps
and effects on the way in...
While I don't see a lot of change in the basic ideas of pro audio recording,
I really like what I'm seeing from sound creation people, for example Synful
and Audio Impressions. Both of them are in the orchestral sound business -
Synful is a two person show (husband and wife) and is very very impressive
for how small the software is and how good it sounds, especially for legato
lines. Audio Impressions has changed the way orchestral libraries are
played - when you play a single note, an entire section plays that note.
When you play two notes, half the players sound for each note. Three notes
uses a third of the section, four use a quarter, etc. (Real divisi
simulation...) Most orchestral libraries are samples of entire sections,
which means one note comes from the entire section, two notes sounds like
two full sections, etc.
I suppose you could argue that it's still "just sampling," but I've seen a
lot of improvements over the old libraries that had one velocity layer and a
single sample was pitch shifted over several keys. With more memory, not
only can we sample each key, but we can have multiple samples for different
velocity levels. (Check out TBO from Sampletekk for example- it has 93
samples per note!) And with the new version of Native Instruments Kontakt
sampler, you can now write program scripts to change how samples are played
back - there is a really cool script for legato playing as well as a couple
scripts to get rid of the "machine gun" effect that plagues repeated single
notes.
I think innovation is still out there - you just don't usually find it at
the big vendors...
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.comYes, clearly an effort by PC zealots to try to damage the Mac Platform. I
wonder how much was created by these people. I've been virus free since
1994 when I started using Macs. There is no doubt that PC zealot hackers
are gunning for the Mac, that web site is proof. It's really not a problem
at this time for Mac users. What is there now, like a 150,000 viruses for
the PC? The Mac has maybe 150 known viruses, and only a few are actually
harmful. Mac vs. PC it's no contest! O/S 9 was even more secure, that's
why are military would switch to Mac OS9 every time they got hacked.
James
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Security by obscurity, James.
>
>http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ok, my turn. Now I can't resist! The best antivirus software I've found
>>is Mac OSX!!!!!!!!! And you think I'm kidding; )
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>This came up a while back, but I can't find the thread in searches.
>>>
>>>What is the most recommended, least intrusive antivirus software for PC?
>>>I hate Norton and want to replace it with something better for my net
>>>laptop.
>>>
>>>Grisoft's AVG Pro a good option?
>>>
>>>I notice PCMag still rates Norton as one of the best, but my laptop runs
>>
>>>noticeably slower with it
>>>(email takes forever to open, etc).
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45b51ba9$1@linux...
> harmful. Mac vs. PC it's no contest! O/S 9 was even more secure, that's
> why are military would switch to Mac OS9 every time they got hacked.
So the military decided it only needed computing resources to make home
movies and download tunes? ;-)
Dedric"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45b51ba9$1@linux...
>
>> harmful. Mac vs. PC it's no contest! O/S 9 was even more secure, that's
>> why are military would switch to Mac OS9 every time they got hacked.
>
>So the military decided it only needed computing resources to make home
>movies and download tunes? ;-)
>
>Dedric
Yeah, that's why are military is in so much trouble; )
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R-i-g-h-t! Cool beans.
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
news:45b5044b$1@linux...
Yeah, I use it all the time. Also has the benifit of hearing and =
effects you
have on it in solo AND talent can hear the solo.
This makes for a very flexible solo function. If I'm tracking and I =
wan't
to solo and have the talent NOT here it that way, I use the normal =
solo button.
If the talent wants to hear what they've done solo'd up I use the =
"play selection"
method (al a Brian's technique)
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>
>Tom, it is simple. Select in the editor what tracks you want to solo. =
=3D
>You can use control+k to cut at the time line if you have a specific =
=3D
>section you want. With those highlighted, go to the Control 16 and =
there
=3D
>is a specific button for play selected it. That's it. Just undo your =
=3D
>cuts once you're done here with a control+z.=3D20
>
>AA
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D
>news:45b46e27@linux...
> Dimitrios,
> I'm still liking it as much as anything else I've heard.
> The grouping feature is just another plus although
> it must be a pain to use - opening plugins etc..
>
> Have you checked out Brian's technique of soloing within
> a Paris editor? I never figured it out but he makes it
> look simple like everything else..
> Tom
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D
>news:45b468da$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> Automatic figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" task.
> Although a plug-in reports its latency to the host, a plug-in =
cannot
=3D
>request
> this value from another plug-in !
> Thats why we are somehow doomed for automatic latency detection.
> But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin is a great =
=3D
>feature !!
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >
> >Would be cool.
> >I like what Chuck is working on as well.
> >If it could automatically figure it out the latency would be =3D
>awesome.
> >If you can just type in a latency you knew was greater than the =
=3D
>largest
> it
> >would be cool instead of trying to figure out what the actual =
=3D
>latency is.
> >B=3D20
> >
> >
> >Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
> >>
> >>Now this is a cool idea.
> >>
> >>-- thanks -- chas.
> >>
> >>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> =
=3D
>wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Yes.
> >>>I contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very =
nice =3D
>guy by
> >the
> >>>way...
> >>>He will update vertex dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual =
=3D
>delay compensator
> >>>suited for us Parisians !!
> >>>The concept is the following:
> >>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio track.
> >>>Benefits.
> >>>We can solo mute certain Paris audio track groups.
> >>>Now you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your =
=3D
>acoustic
> guitars
> >>>!!
> >>>BEYOND these already implemented things this nice plugin has =
to =3D
>offer
> tha
> >>>author will implement the following:
> >>>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio tracks.
> >>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp to audiotrack 1 that =3D
>introduces a
> delay
> >>>of 64 samples.
> >>>What you do is type the number 64 on this track's vertex dsp =
vst
=3D
>instance
> >>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64 =
=3D
>samples
> >!!
> >>>Isn't that a nice thought ?
> >>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor with a =
=3D
>lookahead,
> >>>just type the corresponding samples in delay and all other =
tracks
=3D
>get
> delayed
> >>>automatically !!
> >>>I hope that we will support this guy with this plugin if we =
want
=3D
>ci\ontinuing
> >>>support...
> >>>What do you think >?>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>Dimitrios
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom, it is simple. Select in the =
editor
=3D
>what tracks=3D20
>you want to solo. You can use control+k to cut at the time line if =
you =3D
>have a=3D20
>specific section you want. With those highlighted, go to the Control =
16
=3D
>and=3D20
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>AA</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20
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> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote =3D
>in message=3D20
> <A href=3D3D"news:45b46e27@linux">news:45b46e27@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm still liking it as much as =
=3D
>anything else I've=3D20
> heard.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The grouping feature is just =
another
=3D
>plus=3D20
> although</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>it must be a pain to use - =
opening =3D
>plugins=3D20
> etc..</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Have you checked out Brian's =
=3D
>technique of soloing=3D20
> within</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>a Paris editor? I never =
figured =3D
>it out but=3D20
> he makes it</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>look simple like everything =
=3D
>else..</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
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> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
wrote =3D
>in message=3D20
> <A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D"news:45b468da$1@linux">news:45b468da$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>H=
i,<=3D
>BR>Automatic=3D20
> figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" =
task.<BR>Although a
=3D
>plug-in=3D20
> reports its latency to the host, a plug-in cannot request<BR>this =
=3D
>value from=3D20
> another plug-in !<BR>Thats why we are somehow doomed for =
automatic =3D
>latency=3D20
> detection.<BR>But this hand typing of latency for a single plugin =
is
=3D
>a great=3D20
> feature !!<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Would =3D
>be=3D20
> cool.<BR>>I like what Chuck is working on as well.<BR>>If it =3D
>could=3D20
> automatically figure it out the latency would be awesome.<BR>>If =
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>you can=3D20
> just type in a latency you knew was greater than the=3D20
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> <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> =3D
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Now this=3D20
> is a cool idea.<BR>>><BR>>>-- thanks --=3D20
> chas.<BR>>><BR>>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, =3D
>"Dimitrios"=3D20
> <<A href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
=3D
>
> =3D
>wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>Yes.<BR>>>>I=3D20
> contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice =
guy=3D20
> by<BR>>the<BR>>>>way...<BR>>>>He will update =3D
>vertex dsp=3D20
> fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual delay =3D
>compensator<BR>>>>suited=3D20
> for us Parisians !!<BR>>>>The concept is the=3D20
> following:<BR>>>>We put dsp fader vst one very paris audio=3D20
> track.<BR>>>>Benefits.<BR>>>>We can solo mute =3D
>certain=3D20
> Paris audio track groups.<BR>>>>Now you can solo your =3D
>drumtracks=3D20
> only or maybe mute all your=3D20
> acoustic<BR>guitars<BR>>>>!!<BR>>>>BEYOND these =3D
>already=3D20
> implemented things this nice plugin has to=3D20
> offer<BR>tha<BR>>>>author will implement the=3D20
> following:<BR>>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all =3D
>paris=3D20
> audio tracks.<BR>>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp =3D
>to =3D20
> audiotrack 1 that introduces a<BR>delay<BR>>>>of 64=3D20
> samples.<BR>>>>What you do is type the number 64 on this =3D
>track's=3D20
> vertex dsp vst instance<BR>>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER =3D
>vertex=3D20
> instances GET DELAYED by 64 samples<BR>>!!<BR>>>>Isn't =3D
>that a=3D20
> nice thought ?<BR>>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin =3D
>like eds=3D20
> compressor with a lookahead,<BR>>>>just type the =3D
>corresponding=3D20
> samples in delay and all other tracks=3D20
> get<BR>delayed<BR>>>>automatically !!<BR>>>>I hope =3D
>that we=3D20
> will support this guy with this plugin if we want=3D20
> ci\ontinuing<BR>>>>support...<BR>>>>What do you =3D
>think=3D20
> =3D
>>?><BR>>>>Regards,<BR>>>>Dimitrios<BR>>><BR=3D
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<DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
t;=20
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, I use=20
it all the time. Also has the benifit of hearing and effects =
you<BR>have on it=20
in solo AND talent can hear the solo.<BR>This makes for a very =
flexible solo=20
function. If I'm tracking and I wan't<BR>to solo and have the talent =
NOT here=20
it that way, I use the normal solo button.<BR>If the talent wants to =
hear what=20
they've done solo'd up I use the "play selection"<BR>method (al a =
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technique)<BR>Rod<BR>"Aaron Allen" <<A=20
=
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wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Tom, it is simple. Select in the editor =
what=20
tracks you want to solo. =3D<BR>>You can use control+k to cut at =
the time=20
line if you have a specific =3D<BR>>section you want. With those =
highlighted,=20
go to the Control 16 and there<BR>=3D<BR>>is a specific button for =
play=20
selected it. That's it. Just undo your =3D<BR>>cuts once you're =
done here=20
with a control+z.=3D20<BR>><BR>>AA<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
=3D<BR>>news:45b46e27@linux...<BR>> =
Dimitrios,<BR>> I'm=20
still liking it as much as anything else I've heard.<BR>> The =
grouping feature is just another plus although<BR>> it must =
be a pain=20
to use - opening plugins etc..<BR>><BR>> Have you checked =
out=20
Brian's technique of soloing within<BR>> a Paris =
editor? I=20
never figured it out but he makes it<BR>> look simple like =
everything=20
else..<BR>> Tom<BR>> "Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
=3D<BR>>news:45b468da$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> =20
Hi,<BR>> Automatic figuring out of actual latency =
is a=20
"impossible" task.<BR>> Although a plug-in =
reports its=20
latency to the host, a plug-in=20
cannot<BR>=3D<BR>>request<BR>> this value from =
another=20
plug-in !<BR>> Thats why we are somehow doomed =
for=20
automatic latency detection.<BR>> But this hand =
typing of=20
latency for a single plugin is a great =3D<BR>>feature=20
!!<BR>> Regards,<BR>> =20
Dimitrios<BR>><BR>> "Brandon" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
wrote:<BR>> =20
><BR>> >Would be =
cool.<BR>> =20
>I like what Chuck is working on as well.<BR>> =
>If=20
it could automatically figure it out the latency would be=20
=3D<BR>>awesome.<BR>> >If you can just type =
in a=20
latency you knew was greater than the=20
=3D<BR>>largest<BR>> =
it<BR>> =20
>would be cool instead of trying to figure out what the actual=20
=3D<BR>>latency is.<BR>> =20
>B=3D20<BR>> ><BR>> =20
><BR>> >Chas. Duncan=20
<duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:<BR>> =20
>><BR>> >>Now this is a cool=20
idea.<BR>> >><BR>> =
>>--=20
thanks -- chas.<BR>> =
>><BR>> =20
>>On 21 Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, "Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
=3D<BR>>wrote:<BR>> =
>><BR>> =20
>>><BR>> =20
>>>Yes.<BR>> >>>I contacted the =
Vertex=20
dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice =3D<BR>>guy=20
by<BR>> >the<BR>> =20
>>>way...<BR>> >>>He will =
update vertex=20
dsp fader vst plugin with a LIGHT manual =3D<BR>>delay=20
compensator<BR>> >>>suited for us =
Parisians=20
!!<BR>> >>>The concept is the=20
following:<BR>> >>>We put dsp fader vst =
one very=20
paris audio track.<BR>> =20
>>>Benefits.<BR>> >>>We can =
solo mute=20
certain Paris audio track groups.<BR>> =
>>>Now=20
you can solo your drumtracks only or maybe mute all your=20
=3D<BR>>acoustic<BR>> =
guitars<BR>> =20
>>>!!<BR>> >>>BEYOND these =
already=20
implemented things this nice plugin has to=20
=3D<BR>>offer<BR>> =
tha<BR>> =20
>>>author will implement the =
following:<BR>> =20
>>>Note that you have opened vertex on all paris audio=20
tracks.<BR>> >>>Now lets say you put =
waves=20
rencomp to audiotrack 1 that =3D<BR>>introduces=20
a<BR>> delay<BR>> =
>>>of 64=20
samples.<BR>> >>>What you do is type the =
number=20
64 on this track's vertex dsp=20
vst<BR>=3D<BR>>instance<BR>> >>>the =
number 64=20
and ALL OTHER vertex instances GET DELAYED by 64=20
=3D<BR>>samples<BR>> =
>!!<BR>> =20
>>>Isn't that a nice thought ?<BR>> =20
>>>Same with eds insertion of a plugin like eds compressor =
with a=20
=3D<BR>>lookahead,<BR>> >>>just type =
the=20
corresponding samples in delay and all other=20
tracks<BR>=3D<BR>>get<BR>> =20
delayed<BR>> >>>automatically=20
!!<BR>> >>>I hope that we will support =
this guy=20
with this plugin if we =
want<BR>=3D<BR>>ci\ontinuing<BR>> =20
>>>support...<BR>> >>>What do =
you think=20
>?><BR>> =20
>>>Regards,<BR>> =20
>>>Dimitrios<BR>> =20
>><BR>> =
><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =20
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> =20
<BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>><META=20
http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
=3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
6.00.5730.11"=20
=
name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE> <BR>></HEA=
D><BR>><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>Tom,=20
it is simple. Select in the editor<BR>=3D<BR>>what =
tracks=3D20<BR>>you want=20
to solo. You can use control+k to cut at the time line if you =
=3D<BR>>have=20
a=3D20<BR>>specific section you want. With those highlighted, go to =
the=20
Control 16<BR>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>there is a specific button =
for play=20
selected it. That's it. Just undo =3D<BR>>your =
cuts=3D20<BR>>once you're=20
done here with a control+z.=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>AA</FONT></DIV> ; <BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
dir=3D3Dltr=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px;=20
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; =
MARGIN-RIGHT:=20
0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" =
<<A=3D20<BR>> =20
href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arpegi=
o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=20
wrote =3D<BR>>in message=3D20<BR>> <A href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:45b46e27@linux">news:45b46e27@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:45b46e=
27@linux">news:45b46e27@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>>&nbs=
p;=20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DI V> <BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm still liking it =
as much as=20
=3D<BR>>anything else I've=3D20<BR>> =20
heard.</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>The grouping feature is just=20
another<BR>=3D<BR>>plus=3D20<BR>> =20
although</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>it must be a pain to use - opening=20
=3D<BR>>plugins=3D20<BR>> =
etc..</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>Have=20
you checked out Brian's =3D<BR>>technique of =
soloing=3D20<BR>> =20
within</FONT></DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>a Paris editor? I never figured =3D<BR>>it out=20
but=3D20<BR>> he makes =
it</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>look simple like =
everything=20
=3D<BR>>else..</FONT></DIV> <BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>> =20
<BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>> style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; =
PADDING-LEFT:=20
5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; =
MARGIN-RIGHT:=20
0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Dimitrios"=20
<<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
wrote =3D<BR>>in message=3D20<BR>> =20
<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:45b468da$1@linux">news:45b468da$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi'>=
news:45b468da$1@linux">news:45b468da$1@linux</A>...</DIV>&=
lt;BR>Hi</A>,<=3D<BR>>BR>Automatic=3D20 <BR>> &n=
bsp;=20
figuring out of actual latency is a "impossible" =
task.<BR>Although=20
a<BR>=3D<BR>>plug-in=3D20<BR>> reports its =
latency to the=20
host, a plug-in cannot request<BR>this =3D<BR>>value=20
from=3D20<BR>> another plug-in !<BR>Thats =
why we are=20
somehow doomed for automatic =
=3D<BR>>latency=3D20<BR>> =20
detection.<BR>But this hand typing of latency for a single =
plugin=20
is<BR>=3D<BR>>a great=3D20<BR>> feature=20
!!<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios& lt;BR><BR> "Brandon"=20
<<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A'>mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A</A>&=
gt;>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>Wo uld=20
=3D<BR>>be=3D20<BR>> cool.<BR>>I like =
what Chuck=20
is working on as well.<BR>>If it=20
=3D<BR>>could=3D20<BR>> automatically figure =
it out the=20
latency would be awesome.<BR>>If =3D<BR>>you=20
can=3D20<BR>> just type in a latency you knew was =
greater=20
than the=3D20<BR>> =
largest<BR>it<BR>>would=2 0
be cool instead of trying to figure out =3D<BR>>what=20
the=3D20<BR>> actual latency is.<BR>>B=20
<BR>><BR>>< BR>>Chas.=20
Duncan=3D20<BR>> =
<duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@>=20
=3D<BR> >wrote:<BR>>><BR&a mp;gt;>>Now=20
this=3D20<BR>> is a cool=20
idea.<BR>>><BR>&am p;gt;>-- thanks=20
--=3D20<BR>> =
chas.<BR>>><BR>&am p;gt;>On 21=20
Jan 2007 07:53:33 +1000, =
=3D<BR>>"Dimitrios"=3D20<BR>> =20
<<A href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
=3D<BR>><BR>> =20
=
=3D<BR> >wrote:<BR>>><BR&a mp;gt;>>><BR>>& ;g=
t;>Yes.<BR>>>>I=3D 20 <BR>> =20
contacted the Vertex dsp vst plugin author who is a very nice=20
guy=3D20<BR>> =20
=
by<BR>>the<BR>>&am p;gt;>way...<BR>>>> ;He =
will=20
update =3D<BR>>vertex dsp=3D20<BR>> fader vst =
plugin with=20
a LIGHT manual delay=20
=
=3D<BR> >compensator<BR>>>> ;suited=3D20 <BR>> &nbs=
p; =20
for us Parisians !!<BR>>>>The concept is=20
the=3D20<BR>> following:<BR>>>>We =
put dsp=20
fader vst one very paris audio=3D20<BR>> =20
track.<BR>>>>Benefits.&am p;lt;BR>>>>We can solo =
mute=20
=3D<BR>>certain=3D20<BR>> Paris audio track=20
groups.<BR>>>>Now you can solo your=20
=3D<BR>>drumtracks=3D20<BR>> only or maybe =
mute all=20
your=3D20<BR>> =20
=
acoustic<BR>guitars<BR>>& amp;gt;>!!<BR>>>>B E=
YOND=20
these =3D<BR>>already=3D20<BR>> implemented =
things this=20
nice plugin has to=3D20<BR>> =20
offer<BR>tha<BR>>> >author will implement=20
the=3D20<BR>> =
following:<BR>>>>Note that you=20
have opened vertex on all =
=3D<BR>>paris=3D20<BR>> audio=20
tracks.<BR>>>>Now lets say you put waves rencomp =
=3D<BR>>to=20
=3D20<BR>> audiotrack 1 that introduces=20
a<BR>delay<BR>>>&a mp;gt;of =
64=3D20<BR>> =20
samples.<BR>>>>What you do is type the number 64 on =
this=20
=3D<BR>>track's=3D20<BR>> vertex dsp vst=20
instance<BR>>>>the number 64 and ALL OTHER=20
=3D<BR>>vertex=3D20<BR>> instances GET DELAYED =
by 64=20
samples<BR>>!!<BR>> ;>>Isn't =3D<BR>>that=20
a=3D20<BR>> nice thought =
?<BR>>>>Same with=20
eds insertion of a plugin =3D<BR>>like =
eds=3D20<BR>> =20
compressor with a lookahead,<BR>>>>just type the=20
=3D<BR>>corresponding=3D20<BR>> samples in =
delay and all=20
other tracks=3D20<BR>> =20
get<BR>delayed<BR>>&g t;>automatically=20
!!<BR>>>>I hope =3D<BR>>that =
we=3D20<BR>> =20
will support this guy with this plugin if we =
want=3D20<BR>> =20
ci\ontinuing<BR>>>>suppor t...<BR>>>>What =
do you=20
=3D<BR>>think=3D20<BR>> =20
=
=3D<BR> >>?><BR>>>& amp;gt;Regards,<BR>>>>D=
imitrios<BR>>><BR=3D<BR>>>><BR></BLOCKQU=
OTE><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose =
Polesoft Lockspam=20
to fight spam,<BR>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>> =20
you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
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href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>=3D<BR>>.html</A>=20
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</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BODY></HTML> <BR=
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>Hi,
>I have a friend who has a control room with low ceiling in front around
4x5
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