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---=_linux44f3858e--"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Gene,
>
>One thing you said caught my eye:
>
>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>Most
>>200w per channel power amps will draw 20 amps when cruising and will “call”
>>for 30 amps at peaks.
>
>
>Actually, amps use far less current than this, which is why you see
>poorly engineered sound systems, with 8 amplifiers all running off
>one 15-amp circuit.
>
>The QSC website has a page where you can download a document
>listing the current draw of all their amps.
>
> http://www.qscaudio.com/support/technical_support/current_co nsumption_heat_loss.htm
>
>For a PL236 (one of their most powerful amps, at 725w/ch. into
>8ohms) the idle current is only 1 amp and the pink noise level
>(1/8 power) that best represents cranked music with light
>clipping only draws 7.8 amps. A PL218 with 310w/ch into
>8ohms, idles at .7 and draws 4.9 amps at cranked levels.
>
>
>A dedicated line (preferably 3-4 of them) is a great idea, and they
>should be isolated-ground, and the panel should be securely
>earth-grounded as well. IG (isolated ground) means a real green
>wire in the pipe for each circuit, and no use of the conduit itself
>for ground.
>
>best,
>
>DC
DC,
I have great respect for your knowledge and I certainly don’t want to get
into a pissing match here, but just in case you have left others with the
impression that this is a non-issue, I need to make a few points.
It is true that many modern power amps have changed to switching power supplies
and as a result RMS power usage can be closer to 4 or 5 amps for a 200/side
power amp.
QSC was one of earliest and remains one of the leaders in high efficiency
power amps. The chart you refer to reflects that efficiency.
“QSC's PowerLight 9.0PFC, released in 1998, was the first to amp include
Power Factor Correction in its power supply. PFC can reduce the amplifier's
average AC current consumption by as much as 40%, and peak requirements by
as much as 80%.”
From:
http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_whats_next_power/
Many older amps, particularly Crown DC amps, but also many others, do not
have high efficiency power use, and most large amps still spec 20 amps (even
if it’s for peak consumption) – If this is to keep lawyers happy, it because
they don’t want to be sued after the fire.
But the real issue is not arguing over 6 amps or 12 amps when running hot.
The point I was trying to make was about the need to supply proper power
to the amp.
Here are a few points I hope we all can agree on.
1. Power starving an amp will reduce its dynamic range.
2. A dedicated supply line will give maximum headroom and will have low resistance
on the AC line. Both are beneficial to maximizing critical monitor amplification.
3. Proper AC wiring is not sexy like a new preamp, but it is generally a
very low percentage of the total cost of building a studio. It’s an inappropriate
place to save money. Large consoles, power amps, multi-track recorders and
other big power consumers should have dedicated lines that are designed with
reasonable headroom, for safety and sound quality.
Talk to Stephen Morris at Crown or the technical staff at the manufacturer
of your power amps or powered monitors and you will get similar recommendations
or talk to any well know studio designer or the maintenance head at ANY large
studio..They will all tell you the same thing. We Need More Power, Captain!
GeneThe key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
I'm not using factory patches.
Jamie, when is this ever not the case. I've yet to see any box that just
'did it' on all frontiers with advertised, promo'd 'big name presets'.
Even my adored 2120 presets totally blow. The magic is in matching the
player, the guitar and the effects/sims/cabinets. I could play a BB King
riff, and you'd recognize it probably ... but BB can pick up any guitar
through any amp and still sound like BB, whereas I probably wouldn't so
much. Too many folks get wrapped up in trying to program an artists sound
and forget it's the artist that makes that sound moreso than the gear.
Gotta match the gear to the player though to get those gratifying results.
AA
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44f32b14@linux...
>
> Dead simple rock/jazz gig rig:
> PRS guitar. Digitech GNX4 in Stompbox mode. Footswitch 1 switches between
> clean and crunch. Footswitch 2 adds a jazzy compressor to clean or singing
> overdrive to crunch.
>
> Direct XLR to PA. Simple. Play and have fun.
>
> Couple of other footswitches for chorus and delay are there if I need to
> switch 'em. I can turn on a reverb if the room is dry. The rocker pedal
> switches between volume or wah.
>
> Quick to set up. No batteries to replace. No little cables to break. And
> no amp, speaker, stomp boxes, or rack FX needed.
>
> The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
> combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
> I'm not using factory patches.
>
> Tried to do the same with a Yamaha Magic Stomp a few years ago and could
> not get the amp emulations to hit the sweet spot. Spent some time with it
> and really wanted it to work out. Too bad, it was nice and small, and less
> $$.
>
> A more complex solo rig:
> If all I needed was the above rig, I'd also consider the Line 6 PODXT
> Live.
>
> But when I do solo shows using my Variax, guitar synth and vocals, the
> GNX4 mixes everything. It has a mic pre and extra stereo line inputs. It
> also has 8 track multitrack recording/looping and a passable MIDI drum
> machine.
>
> While my solo show rig is more complicated, considering what I'm pulling
> off (acoustic, electric, synth, violin, live multitracking) it's still a
> relatively simple rig. For solo shows I also use the external GNX
> multitrack footswitches.
>
> I have other decent guitar rigs, vintage tube, awesome little GK, nice
> guitar pres, but right now the GNX4 goes to the shows.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> The thing I like about the Magicstomp is it's simplicity (I know this is
>> blasphemy coming from me ;o). I have a Lexicon Signature 284 and the
>> stereo
>> cab that was made for it. I've been experimenting with different FX
>> setups
>> and was getting ready to buy one of those Lexicon MPX G2 processors with
>> the
>> floorboard. Thing is, I would be buying it just for the FX, not the amp
>> sims. The Magicstomp, when used in the FX loop of the Lexicon does a
>> great
>> job for my needs.as an FX processor. I may look into the amp sims a bit
>> more, but the Lexi guitar amp through a cabinet does a fine job of that
>> on
>> it's own............of course, if I want crunch, I do have to reach down
>> with my right pinkie and adjust the gain on the guitar from time to time,
>> or
>> even grab an amp knob and turn it. This is exhausting so maybe I'll get
>> another volume pedal. Mine died a while back.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> CB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f31292@linux...
>>> I know this is out of character, but when it comes to guitar stuff I'm
>> Paleocene
>>> with my guitar stuff. I was at East Coast Music mall over the weekend
>>> and
>>> saw this TC electronic thing
>>>
>>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GSystem/
>>>
>>> and of course my techie eye went nuts. It even has loops for stomp box
>>> f/x
>>> that can be turned on and off. Then I thought for a minute. I'm on
>>> stage,
>>> it's dark, I've had a few shots of Patron, I'm bunched in next to the
>> bassist,
>>> and I have to deal with three banks of floor buttons wearing cowboy
>>> boots?
>>>
>>> My main geetar rig is guitar -> Moogerfooger analog delay -> Fulltone
>>> wah
>>> -> Fulltone OCD overdrive -> Top Hat AC-15 knockoff with a THD power
>>> soak.
>>> Sometimes I'll add mod f/x (usually a Phase 90 or a trem pedal) after
>>> the
>>> overdrive pedal, and that's that. I promise you, _every_ time I play out
>>> someone tells me my guitar sounds incredible.
>>>
>>> I love tweaking and technology, but I think when it comes to guitars
>> that's
>>> best left at home.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in
>>>> a
>>>> while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>I better plead the 5th on the 80's and what I was up to :)
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersatscream.com> wrote in message news:44f27cfc$1@linux...
>
> Anybody remember these guys?
>
> The Primitives?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE49S6i4QXE
>
> Nearly perfect power pop.
>
>
> Kommunity FK?
>
> Anybody here heard of them?
>
> Lame video. Great band...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiIi7XJ5fA
>
>
> The 80's were a lot of fun.
>
> Amazing stuff on YouTube..
>
> DCWell since you guys asked, I was hanging out at The Ritz and Harpo's, playing
and checking out some of my favorite Detroit 80s rock bands. If you don't
like heavy rock, don't bother listening, that was a long time ago.
http://www.motorcityrock.com/venues/ritz/ritz.html
http://www.motorcityrock.com/venues/harpos/harpos.html
Here's a taste.
Bands:
Heaven's Wish
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/heavens_wish/audio/heaven s_wish_bring_back_yesterday.mp3
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/heavens_wish/audio/heaven s_wish_lets_dance_live_from_the_ritz.mp3
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/heavens_wish/audio/heaven s_wish_cinderellas_ball.mp3
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/heavens_wish/heavens_wish _audio.html
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/heavens_wish/heavens_wish .html
The Almighty Strut ( Hey didn't two of those guys play with Nugent?)
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/almighty_strut/audio/almi ghty_strut_demo_cheap_thrill_looks.mp3
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/almighty_strut/almighty_s trut_audio.html
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/almighty_strut/almighty_s trut.html
Seduce
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/seduce/seduce_audio.html
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/seduce/seduce.html
Madam X (Hey that singer looks familiar!)
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/madam_x/madam_x.html
Romeo Rock/ Wepons
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/weapons/audio/weapons_the _rock_starts_here.mp3
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/romeo_rock/romeo_rock.htm l
http://www.motorcityrock.com/bands/weapons/weapons.html
James
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I better plead the 5th on the 80's and what I was up to :)
>
>AA
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersatscream.com> wrote in message news:44f27cfc$1@linux...
>>
>> Anybody remember these guys?
>>
>> The Primitives?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE49S6i4QXE
>>
>> Nearly perfect power pop.
>>
>>
>> Kommunity FK?
>>
>> Anybody here heard of them?
>>
>> Lame video. Great band...
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiIi7XJ5fA
>>
>>
>> The 80's were a lot of fun.
>>
>> Amazing stuff on YouTube..
>>
>> DC
>
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Hmmm.....welllll.....letsee here. This old house has electric wall =
heaters in every room. They are all on 20amp circuits and are no longer =
being used because trhe house was converted to natural gas. I guess I =
could get an electrician to come in, bypass a couple of these and wire =
them up to a couple of wall sockets. I have been doing some testing and =
the grounding in this place is very friendly. I don't get any 60Hz noise =
when plugging some gear into 110 outlets in one of my tracking rooms or =
my office and interfacing it with the gear that is coming from the =
outlet in my control room. I've also got a 220v heavy duty appliance =
outlet in the garage, directly below my machine room. The plug blades =
look sorta like this:
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=20
It's on a 20 amp fuse. It would be easy to just run a 10ga extension =
for the 8' it would take to reach the machine room. Is there some sort =
of 220v to 110v step down transformer that would work for this?=20
;o)
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message =
news:44f3865e$1@linux...
>=20
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hi Gene,
> >
> >One thing you said caught my eye:
> >
> >"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
> >>Most
> >>200w per channel power amps will draw 20 amps when cruising and will =
"call"
> >>for 30 amps at peaks.=20
> >
> >
> >Actually, amps use far less current than this, which is why you see
> >poorly engineered sound systems, with 8 amplifiers all running off
> >one 15-amp circuit.
> >
> >The QSC website has a page where you can download a document
> >listing the current draw of all their amps.
> >
> =
> http://www.qscaudio.com/support/technical_support/current_co nsumption_he=
at_loss.htm
> >
> >For a PL236 (one of their most powerful amps, at 725w/ch. into
> >8ohms) the idle current is only 1 amp and the pink noise level
> >(1/8 power) that best represents cranked music with light
> >clipping only draws 7.8 amps. A PL218 with 310w/ch into
> >8ohms, idles at .7 and draws 4.9 amps at cranked levels.
> >
> >
> >A dedicated line (preferably 3-4 of them) is a great idea, and they
> >should be isolated-ground, and the panel should be securely=20
> >earth-grounded as well. IG (isolated ground) means a real green
> >wire in the pipe for each circuit, and no use of the conduit itself
> >for ground.
> >
> >best,
> >
> >DC
>=20
> DC,
> I have great respect for your knowledge and I certainly don't want to =
get
> into a pissing match here, but just in case you have left others with =
the
> impression that this is a non-issue, I need to make a few points.
>=20
> It is true that many modern power amps have changed to switching power =
supplies
> and as a result RMS power usage can be closer to 4 or 5 amps for a =
200/side
> power amp.
>=20
> QSC was one of earliest and remains one of the leaders in high =
efficiency
> power amps. The chart you refer to reflects that efficiency.
>=20
> "QSC's PowerLight 9.0PFC, released in 1998, was the first to amp =
include
> Power Factor Correction in its power supply. PFC can reduce the =
amplifier's
> average AC current consumption by as much as 40%, and peak =
requirements by
> as much as 80%."=20
> From:
> http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_whats_next_power/
>=20
> Many older amps, particularly Crown DC amps, but also many others, do =
not
> have high efficiency power use, and most large amps still spec 20 amps =
(even
> if it's for peak consumption) - If this is to keep lawyers happy, it =
because
> they don't want to be sued after the fire.=20
>=20
> But the real issue is not arguing over 6 amps or 12 amps when running =
hot.
> The point I was trying to make was about the need to supply proper =
power
> to the amp.=20
>=20
> Here are a few points I hope we all can agree on.
>=20
> 1. Power starving an amp will reduce its dynamic range.
> 2. A dedicated supply line will give maximum headroom and will have =
low resistance
> on the AC line. Both are beneficial to maximizing critical monitor =
amplification.
> 3. Proper AC wiring is not sexy like a new preamp, but it is generally =
a
> very low percentage of the total cost of building a studio. It's an =
inappropriate
> place to save money. Large consoles, power amps, multi-track =
recorders and
> other big power consumers should have dedicated lines that are =
designed with
> reasonable headroom, for safety and sound quality.
>=20
> Talk to Stephen Morris at Crown or the technical staff at the =
manufacturer
> of your power amps or powered monitors and you will get similar =
recommendations
> or talk to any well know studio designer or the maintenance head at =
ANY large
> studio..They will all tell you the same thing. We Need More Power, =
Captain!
>=20
> Gene
>
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thing you=20
said caught my eye:<BR>> ><BR>> >"gene Lennon" <</FONT><A =
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wrote:<BR>> >>Most<BR>> >>200w per channel power amps =
will=20
draw 20 amps when cruising and will "call"<BR>> >>for 30 amps =
at peaks.=20
<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >Actually, amps use far less =
current than=20
this, which is why you see<BR>> >poorly engineered sound systems, =
with 8=20
amplifiers all running off<BR>> >one 15-amp circuit.<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
>The QSC website has a page where you can download a document<BR>> =
>listing the current draw of all their amps.<BR>> ><BR>>=20
> http://www.qscaudio.com/support/technical_support/current_co nsumption=
_heat_loss.htm<BR>>=20
><BR>> >For a PL236 (one of their most powerful amps, at =
725w/ch.=20
into<BR>> >8ohms) the idle current is only 1 amp and the pink =
noise=20
level<BR>> >(1/8 power) that best represents cranked music with=20
light<BR>> >clipping only draws 7.8 amps. A PL218 with =
310w/ch=20
into<BR>> >8ohms, idles at .7 and draws 4.9 amps at cranked=20
levels.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >A dedicated line =
(preferably 3-4=20
of them) is a great idea, and they<BR>> >should be =
isolated-ground, and=20
the panel should be securely <BR>> >earth-grounded as well. =
IG=20
(isolated ground) means a real green<BR>> >wire in the pipe for =
each=20
circuit, and no use of the conduit itself<BR>> >for =
ground.<BR>>=20
><BR>> >best,<BR>> ><BR>> >DC<BR>> <BR>> =
DC,<BR>>=20
I have great respect for your knowledge and I certainly don't want to=20
get<BR>> into a pissing match here, but just in case you have left =
others=20
with the<BR>> impression that this is a non-issue, I need to make a =
few=20
points.<BR>> <BR>> It is true that many modern power amps have =
changed to=20
switching power supplies<BR>> and as a result RMS power usage can be =
closer=20
to 4 or 5 amps for a 200/side<BR>> power amp.<BR>> <BR>> QSC =
was one of=20
earliest and remains one of the leaders in high efficiency<BR>> power =
amps.=20
The chart you refer to reflects that efficiency.<BR>> <BR>> "QSC's =
PowerLight 9.0PFC, released in 1998, was the first to amp =
include<BR>> Power=20
Factor Correction in its power supply. PFC can reduce the =
amplifier's<BR>>=20
average AC current consumption by as much as 40%, and peak requirements=20
by<BR>> as much as 80%." <BR>> From:<BR>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_whats_next_power/"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_whats_next_power/</FONT></A><BR><=
FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> Many older amps, particularly Crown =
DC amps, but=20
also many others, do not<BR>> have high efficiency power use, and =
most large=20
amps still spec 20 amps (even<BR>> if it's for peak consumption) - If =
this is=20
to keep lawyers happy, it because<BR>> they don't want to be sued =
after the=20
fire. <BR>> <BR>> But the real issue is not arguing over 6 amps or =
12 amps=20
when running hot.<BR>> The point I was trying to make was about the =
need to=20
supply proper power<BR>> to the amp. <BR>> <BR>> Here are a few =
points=20
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------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C6CAE0.5A7463A0--"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hmmm.....welllll.....letsee here. This old house has electric wall =
>heaters in every room. They are all on 20amp circuits and are no longer
=
>being used because trhe house was converted to natural gas. I guess I =
>could get an electrician to come in, bypass a couple of these and wire =
>them up to a couple of wall sockets. I have been doing some testing and
=
>the grounding in this place is very friendly. I don't get any 60Hz noise
=
>when plugging some gear into 110 outlets in one of my tracking rooms or
=
>my office and interfacing it with the gear that is coming from the =
>outlet in my control room. I've also got a 220v heavy duty appliance =
>outlet in the garage, directly below my machine room. The plug blades =
>look sorta like this:
>
> --I ---
>
> O
> =20
>
> It's on a 20 amp fuse. It would be easy to just run a 10ga extension =
>for the 8' it would take to reach the machine room. Is there some sort =
>of 220v to 110v step down transformer that would work for this?=20
>
>;o)
>
There is a scene in Jean Shepherd’s “A Christmas Story” where Darren McGavin
is playing around with an extension-cord-rats-nest that comes to mind.
geneAaron's nailed it **smack on** boys and girls. Like I was saying the other
day on another thread re the Magic Stomp:
"...any great player can get the "real SHIT" sound out of almost
anything because "SHIT" isn't born on a circuit board. I'm sure any pro
players here will know exactly what I'm talking about."
I always tell young players (when I think will eventually grasp and employ
the notion): "Tone" is born in your mind, nowhere else.
W.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:44f389e3$1@linux...
> I could play a BB King riff, and you'd recognize it probably ... but BB
> can pick up any guitar through any amp and still sound like BB, whereas I
> probably wouldn't so much. Too many folks get wrapped up in trying to
> program an artists sound and forget it's the artist that makes that sound
> moreso than the gear.Totally off-track, but the broken "leg" lamp is a much better scene.
W
"gene Lennon" wrote:
> There is a scene in Jean Shepherd's "A Christmas Story" where Darren
> McGavin
> is playing around with an extension-cord-rats-nest that comes to mind.
> geneWayne, to each his own but I don't think I've heard but just a few amps that
were worse for referencing. I wonder what your tens would sound like,
comparatively speaking, with some other amps.
W.
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44f3198f@linux...
> DJ,
>
> I'm not familiar with the yammies but I've used my NS-10s with an Alesis
> RA-100 amp since '96. Both are supposed to be flat across the board. The
> amp is clean and quiet (no fan, uses rear fins) but per John Macy's
> postings (yours 8/28 and 8/19-20 under NS-10m) I may be underpowered. My
> NS-10s carry mids so I slightly boost the highs and lows (playback thru a
> Mackie 1604vlz) for a more pleasing sound w/o altering the mix much.
> NS-10s are IMO very good to hear bit parts and pretty realistic to what
> you'll get except the lows. I added a power'd sub to fatten the feel.
> Prior to the sub I really pushed the lows but the mix was boomy on every
> home/car stereo I put it on.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:44f21ae0@linux...
>> One of my clients may be swapping me a pair of NS10m's and a power amp
>> for
>> some studio time. He's also got a Yamaha P2700 power amp and, I thnk a
>> P2201
>> as well.
>>
>> I've been out of the power amp loop for many years as I was using powered
>> monitors before I switched to NHT A-20's which have a proprietary power
>> amp.........sooo.........what's a good amp for NS10M's? I don't weant to
>> underdrive these and since they are *rated* at 150, I firure I'm going to
>> need 250 into 8ohms to get the goods out of them.
>>
>> I think both of these power amps will provide this, and then
>> some.......but
>> both the P2201 and P2700 have big fans IIRC. Are these especially loud? I
>> guess I could power this from the machine room, but it would be much more
>> convenient if it was close by. I'll probably need to run it from another
>> circuit in the house somewhere too (PITA......can you say HUMMMM) since
>> the
>> 15 amps on the studio circuit is pretty well gobbled up by the stuff I'm
>> running during a mix if I use a lot of outboard. I've got a Henry
>> Engineering Matchbox that *might* be able to solve this problem though.
>>
>> I'll likely be trying them both, but I wanted to run this by y'all to see
>> if
>> there were any *gotchas* or if I should be lookiing at a different power
>> amp.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Deej
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>
>Well, I just thought I'd ask. It's a rental property and the fewer *mods* I
do, the better.
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:44f3aa77$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hmmm.....welllll.....letsee here. This old house has electric wall =
> >heaters in every room. They are all on 20amp circuits and are no longer
> =
> >being used because trhe house was converted to natural gas. I guess I =
> >could get an electrician to come in, bypass a couple of these and wire =
> >them up to a couple of wall sockets. I have been doing some testing and
> =
> >the grounding in this place is very friendly. I don't get any 60Hz noise
> =
> >when plugging some gear into 110 outlets in one of my tracking rooms or
> =
> >my office and interfacing it with the gear that is coming from the =
> >outlet in my control room. I've also got a 220v heavy duty appliance =
> >outlet in the garage, directly below my machine room. The plug blades =
> >look sorta like this:
> >
> > --I ---
> >
> > O
> > =20
> >
> > It's on a 20 amp fuse. It would be easy to just run a 10ga extension =
> >for the 8' it would take to reach the machine room. Is there some sort =
> >of 220v to 110v step down transformer that would work for this?=20
> >
> >;o)
> >
>
> There is a scene in Jean Shepherd's "A Christmas Story" where Darren
McGavin
> is playing around with an extension-cord-rats-nest that comes to mind.
> gene"Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote:
>Totally off-track, but the broken "leg" lamp is a much better scene.
>W
I’d have to go with the tongue on the pole.
Gene
>
>"gene Lennon" wrote:
>> There is a scene in Jean Shepherd's "A Christmas Story" where Darren
>> McGavin
>> is playing around with an extension-cord-rats-nest that comes to mind.
>> gene
>
>Oh do I have a lot of photos like that. :)
"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:44f3858e$1@linux...
>
> OK, time to fess up!
> PPHHEEEEEWWW!!!
>
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>Where was I in the '80s? Oh jeez, you had to ask. Now I can't help
>>myself.
>>
>>http://www.sarahtonin.com/images/sarahjane80s.jpg
>>
>>Sorry,
>>
>>Anonymous
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersatscream.com> wrote in message news:44f27cfc$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Anybody remember these guys?
>>>
>>> The Primitives?
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE49S6i4QXE
>>>
>>> Nearly perfect power pop.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kommunity FK?
>>>
>>> Anybody here heard of them?
>>>
>>> Lame video. Great band...
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiIi7XJ5fA
>>>
>>>
>>> The 80's were a lot of fun.
>>>
>>> Amazing stuff on YouTube..
>>>
>>> DC
>>
>>
>.....not just fretboard burning but actual cooperation for the good of the
performance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07wYeah, I agree, but I get the feeling that some players just plug into
stuff and switch through presets. If they don't find one they like, they
diss the gear. I try to program the gear before I diss it. :^)
There is room for improvement in both the capabilities and the interface
for the all-in-one boxes I've tried, including the GNX4. But it's worth
putting time into programming because if you can hit the sweet spot for
what you like, the all-in-one boxes have a lot of advantages for gigging.
Rock star presets can be interesting, but I know what I like and I go
for my own sounds. I turn all FX off and start with basic amp and cab
modeling through a PA system or relatively flat studio monitors. Once I
get my basic tones I can add FX when needed.
I use a full range system because I also run violin and sometimes keys
and other instruments through the same system, and because once I
balance it for full range systems I can go direct into a PA, saves
hauling amps around.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Aaron Allen wrote:
> The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
> combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
> I'm not using factory patches.
>
>
> Jamie, when is this ever not the case. I've yet to see any box that just
> 'did it' on all frontiers with advertised, promo'd 'big name presets'.
>
> Even my adored 2120 presets totally blow. The magic is in matching the
> player, the guitar and the effects/sims/cabinets. I could play a BB King
> riff, and you'd recognize it probably ... but BB can pick up any guitar
> through any amp and still sound like BB, whereas I probably wouldn't so
> much. Too many folks get wrapped up in trying to program an artists sound
> and forget it's the artist that makes that sound moreso than the gear.
>
> Gotta match the gear to the player though to get those gratifying results.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:44f32b14@linux...
>> Dead simple rock/jazz gig rig:
>> PRS guitar. Digitech GNX4 in Stompbox mode. Footswitch 1 switches between
>> clean and crunch. Footswitch 2 adds a jazzy compressor to clean or singing
>> overdrive to crunch.
>>
>> Direct XLR to PA. Simple. Play and have fun.
>>
>> Couple of other footswitches for chorus and delay are there if I need to
>> switch 'em. I can turn on a reverb if the room is dry. The rocker pedal
>> switches between volume or wah.
>>
>> Quick to set up. No batteries to replace. No little cables to break. And
>> no amp, speaker, stomp boxes, or rack FX needed.
>>
>> The key was spending time to program an amp/speaker emulation and FX
>> combination that work well with the PRS's flexible pickup combinations.
>> I'm not using factory patches.
>>
>> Tried to do the same with a Yamaha Magic Stomp a few years ago and could
>> not get the amp emulations to hit the sweet spot. Spent some time with it
>> and really wanted it to work out. Too bad, it was nice and small, and less
>> $$.
>>
>> A more complex solo rig:
>> If all I needed was the above rig, I'd also consider the Line 6 PODXT
>> Live.
>>
>> But when I do solo shows using my Variax, guitar synth and vocals, the
>> GNX4 mixes everything. It has a mic pre and extra stereo line inputs. It
>> also has 8 track multitrack recording/looping and a passable MIDI drum
>> machine.
>>
>> While my solo show rig is more complicated, considering what I'm pulling
>> off (acoustic, electric, synth, violin, live multitracking) it's still a
>> relatively simple rig. For solo shows I also use the external GNX
>> multitrack footswitches.
>>
>> I have other decent guitar rigs, vintage tube, awesome little GK, nice
>> guitar pres, but right now the GNX4 goes to the shows.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> The thing I like about the Magicstomp is it's simplicity (I know this is
>>> blasphemy coming from me ;o). I have a Lexicon Signature 284 and the
>>> stereo
>>> cab that was made for it. I've been experimenting with different FX
>>> setups
>>> and was getting ready to buy one of those Lexicon MPX G2 processors with
>>> the
>>> floorboard. Thing is, I would be buying it just for the FX, not the amp
>>> sims. The Magicstomp, when used in the FX loop of the Lexicon does a
>>> great
>>> job for my needs.as an FX processor. I may look into the amp sims a bit
>>> more, but the Lexi guitar amp through a cabinet does a fine job of that
>>> on
>>> it's own............of course, if I want crunch, I do have to reach down
>>> with my right pinkie and adjust the gain on the guitar from time to time,
>>> or
>>> even grab an amp knob and turn it. This is exhausting so maybe I'll get
>>> another volume pedal. Mine died a while back.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> CB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f31292@linux...
>>>> I know this is out of character, but when it comes to guitar stuff I'm
>>> Paleocene
>>>> with my guitar stuff. I was at East Coast Music mall over the weekend
>>>> and
>>>> saw this TC electronic thing
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GSystem/
>>>>
>>>> and of course my techie eye went nuts. It even has loops for stomp box
>>>> f/x
>>>> that can be turned on and off. Then I thought for a minute. I'm on
>>>> stage,
>>>> it's dark, I've had a few shots of Patron, I'm bunched in next to the
>>> bassist,
>>>> and I have to deal with three banks of floor buttons wearing cowboy
>>>> boots?
>>>>
>>>> My main geetar rig is guitar -> Moogerfooger analog delay -> Fulltone
>>>> wah
>>>> -> Fulltone OCD overdrive -> Top Hat AC-15 knockoff with a THD power
>>>> soak.
>>>> Sometimes I'll add mod f/x (usually a Phase 90 or a trem pedal) after
>>>> the
>>>> overdrive pedal, and that's that. I promise you, _every_ time I play out
>>>> someone tells me my guitar sounds incredible.
>>>>
>>>> I love tweaking and technology, but I think when it comes to guitars
>>> that's
>>>> best left at home.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in
>>>>> a
>>>>> while.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>Awesome stuff. Reminds me a lot of this guy - www.guthrietrapp.com - the
KING of that style in my book. Caught him live on an off-night in DT
n-ville a few months back. He did this stuff for 30 minutes non-stop and
never played the same riff twice.
W.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44f3b3bc@linux...
> ....not just fretboard burning but actual cooperation for the good of the
> performance
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07w
>
>You'll shoot your eye out!
W.
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:44f3b1c3$1@linux...
>
> "Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote:
>>Totally off-track, but the broken "leg" lamp is a much better scene.
>>W
>
> I'd have to go with the tongue on the pole.
> Gene
>
>
>>
>>"gene Lennon" wrote:
>>> There is a scene in Jean Shepherd's "A Christmas Story" where Darren
>>> McGavin
>>> is playing around with an extension-cord-rats-nest that comes to mind.
>>> gene
>>
>>
>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote:
>but just in case you have left others with the
>impression that this is a non-issue, I need to make a few points.
Wait a minute. There are 2 seperate point to be made here.
Just because amplifiers do not draw 20amps at idle, does not mean
that they do not get current starved at high levels with lots of
transients.
You are absolutely right about that, but the spec you gave on
current draw was simply way off. BTW, it was Crown who first
got me started learning about this, and they were the ones who
would not speak on the record, ten years ago.
Their Macro-tech amps, which have power transformers, (I know,
I picked one up recently!) have specs for current draw on their
website at:
http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/ampinfo.htm
(scroll down) Even the mighty MA-3600VZ with 1120W/side into
8ohms, only draws 10.3 amps at full power with "full range rock
music". The figure of 20amps at idle is simply wrong for any
amp in current production, regardless of power supply.
As I said, none of that means that amplifiers don't sound better
with stouter AC, they do. Personally, I think if studios installed
better AC service, they would never sell another "magic power
cable" again. You know, those 1000.00 fancy power cables that
are supposed to improve your audio? Spend the money on your
AC and get a good amplifier instead.
We really don't disagree here, you simply got a spec wrong.
No biggie, as far as I am concerned.
>Many older amps, particularly Crown DC amps, but also many others, do not
>have high efficiency power use, and most large amps still spec 20 amps (even
>if it’s for peak consumption) – If this is to keep lawyers happy, it because
>they don’t want to be sued after the fire.
See, this is where so many, (even seasoned pros like yourself)
get this wrong. The DC series amps will never ever
draw 20 amps at idle. We think that because the spec plate
says so. The (Crown) engineer I had that conversation with 10
years ago said that the spec is derived from the total dissipation
rating of the output devices, and no "the amp will never draw
that", nor will there be a fire, which is why so many cheapskate
club owners are still running racks of Crowns to this day, off of
one 15amp circuit, and nothing catches fire. Ever. Do they sound
as good as they could? No. But that plate rating means *nothing*
zero, zilch, nada, as far as actual current draw.
I will be happy to put a Fluke current meter on any DC series amp
you can name. (and no sneaking some tubes in there either!)
>But the real issue is not arguing over 6 amps or 12 amps when running hot.
>The point I was trying to make was about the need to supply proper power
>to the amp.
Agreed.
>Here are a few points I hope we all can agree on.
>
>1. Power starving an amp will reduce its dynamic range.
>2. A dedicated supply line will give maximum headroom and will have low
resistance
>on the AC line. Both are beneficial to maximizing critical monitor amplification.
>3. Proper AC wiring is not sexy like a new preamp, but it is generally a
>very low percentage of the total cost of building a studio. It’s an inappropriate
>place to save money. Large consoles, power amps, multi-track recorders
and
>other big power consumers should have dedicated lines that are designed
with
>reasonable headroom, for safety and sound quality.
Bang-zoom! Home run.
best,
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DJ,
Very nice indeed.
3 electric guitars yet no clutter. Who'd a figured?
Sweet.
Tom
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------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C6CB0F.0AFA1F70--"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>....not just fretboard burning but actual cooperation for the good of the
>performance
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07w
>
>
Now that rocks! Well , you know what I mean; )
JamesOkay, been thru ALL the presets, no tweaking, just playin' through. Coupla
a nice new ambience things under the hood I REALLY dig and haven't heard
before -- anywhere. At this point, the distortions don't compete with my
old GP100 BUT I haven't output the MSII through a tube power amp yet like I
do with the GeeP. Good rubber band sound in the presets, four or five of
excelent reverb patches which I'm eager to stretch out. Also some nicely
tweaked multi-taps that play out like a Metheny wash. This thing makes my
hollowbody electric shine. And there's a couple of dynamically responsive
sounds in there that are nice and focused clean that spit and bark like a
big dog if you spank in with a pick or finger.
Yeah, random patch select would be a major plus on this thing, even if over
usb remote. But only because it has so MANY nice sounds. I LIKE it a lot.
It's gotta permanent home with me.
W.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44efdd89@linux...
> I'm certainly not. I think this is maybe the best $79.00 I've spent in a
> while.
>
>Seems my provider has gone bad for a few days...
....maybe I should switch... they've just been sold and this could be a
bad sign...Great link..What I love most about it is that thay are soloing just ona "CLEAN"
settings on their perspective amps..No Distortion to "Hide Behind".. Just
like in Jazz guitar playing, Swinging, Country blues picking is a "sink or
swim" affair..
I love it. Always have since I heard Lester & Earl.
LAD
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>....not just fretboard burning but actual cooperation for the good of the
>performance
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07w
>
>Though I was a big Eagles fan I never really used to pay that much attention
to country music until I was surfing the radio channels sometime back in the
early 90's and heard this instrumental just kicking butt. Turned out to be
Vince Gill ( Liza Jane). I still don't listen to *nouveau* Nashville country
really at all, but I have come to love this kind of freeform pickin stuff.
Like you said, it's sink or swim, like jazz improvization. One of my
neighbors (and session players) is a guy named Gary Cook. He's in the same
league with these guys (and knows them) and I've seen him do similar things
to this on an acoustic guitar.
DJ
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f44922@linux...
>
> Great link..What I love most about it is that thay are soloing just ona
"CLEAN"
> settings on their perspective amps..No Distortion to "Hide Behind".. Just
> like in Jazz guitar playing, Swinging, Country blues picking is a "sink or
> swim" affair..
>
> I love it. Always have since I heard Lester & Earl.
> LAD
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >....not just fretboard burning but actual cooperation for the good of the
> >performance
> >
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07w
> >
> >
>hey TRossi
I lived on Mass Ave in Arlington for a while. Back when they were one of
the first towns in Mass to get cable modems :) I still go back for Blue
Ribbon BBQ often.
What up everyone.... haven't been talking much but I'm still around.
justcron
"trossi" <babelfishinmyotherear@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44e79ad8@linux...
> Hi all,
>
> I just moved to the Boston area(arlington) and was wondering how many
> Paris users there are here. I used to post regularly years ago but my
> studio has been down for close to 3 years now. Just got it back up and
> thought I'd check in here to see how things are going with my fellow Paris
> users.
>
> peace,
> TRossi
>Anybody try to use Melodyne Uno Pitch Correction with PARIS ?FWIW-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>piece
>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts
>and
>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>windows
>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>(which
>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and peripherals.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw what
>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously" from
>> your comments.
>> ;o)
>>
>
>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>
>;o)
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>FWIW-
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>
>
So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
3 year warranty.
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>>piece
>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts
>>and
>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>>windows
>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>>(which
>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and peripherals.
>>> >
>>> >;o)
>>> >
>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
what
>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
from
>>> your comments.
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>
>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>I'm not so far away - Marietta GA.
DavidOk, I got one of these pedals a couple days ago, and I must say that
it more than lives up to the hype going around about it.
It is called a Through Zero Flanger (TZF) which means it is capable of
sweeping through total cancellation, like with two tape machines,
which lets you do live what Jimi and Eddie Kramer did in the studio.
I've just been playing with it for a few hours and have gotten some
of the heaviest, most toothy sounds I have ever heard.
Yes, it does clean well. Lots of pretty chorus, phase and flange
sounds, but where it really shines is with heavy stuff. You need
to get your distortion from a pedal (or use the TZF in a loop and
distort the front end of your amp) becasue the TZF wants to
process the distorted sound, not the clean sound. Oh, and it sounds
absolutely outrageous in stereo.. Unbelievably heavy sounding,
ugly, and gorgeous at the same time.
Coming to a new CD near you, guaranteed.
This thing is so good, you will wish you had the only one <grin>
and there are lots of new sounds that will help you write new tunes
in there as well.
http://www.foxroxelectronics.com/
Click on Paradox TZF. Check out the samples, and think of this:
It's better than the samples...
heh heh
DC
BTW, it's analog bucket brigade chips and all... I hope he has a big
stock of them.The shock-mount,and swivel mount that came with the Neuman TLM -103 are both
crappy (the shockmount is $300 ,and it has already broken) Does anyone know
of another shock-mount that would work?This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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"Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh do I have a lot of photos like that. :)
>
>
>"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:44f3858e$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, time to fess up!
>> PPHHEEEEEWWW!!!
>>
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>Where was I in the '80s? Oh jeez, you had to ask. Now I can't help
>>>myself.
>>>
>>>http://www.sarahtonin.com/images/sarahjane80s.jpg
>>>
>>>Sorry,
>>>
>>>Anonymous
>>>
>>>
>>
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---=_linux44f4ce71--"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>The shock-mount,and swivel mount that came with the Neuman TLM -103 are
both
>crappy (the shockmount is $300 ,and it has already broken) Does anyone know
>of another shock-mount that would work?
>
>
I would try Atlas Pro Audio first. They sell a few on eBay that are a step
up from the worst crap. I don’t know about the 103. It’s a big one.
GeneBitchin' music!
Hey, I've got a new test for great music. If yer sittin' here lookin'
at the computer, pissed off cuz yer teenager mouthed off to you
again and hit her little sister too,(aforementioned teenager is out
mowing the lawn right now heh heh) and you feel pretty dang good
anyway, after the song goes by,
then it's GREAT music.
This one passed with perfect A's.
DC
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>....not just fretboard burning but actual cooperation for the good of the
>performance
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbyiHyF07w
>
>Steve said:
>no comment
BWAH HAH HAH!
Hippie!
*I* on the other hand stopped looking like a hippie by oh, let's see,
1979 at the latest!
heh
DCNot so fast :).
You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time I've
seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already discounted in
flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in their
warranty.
The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually offers
discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP writer,
Robert Weston.
Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell going at
it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44f49f22@linux...
>
> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>FWIW-
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>>
>>
>
> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
> 3 year warranty.
>
>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>>>piece
>>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts
>>>and
>>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>>>windows
>>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>>>(which
>>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>>>> >peripherals.
>>>> >
>>>> >;o)
>>>> >
>>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
> what
>>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
> from
>>>> your comments.
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>Ok, I got a A7N8X-E Deluxe ASUS MB.
Running one minute and crashed when on the internet
trying to download Bit Torrent.
On bootup it will mostly just give a black screen and never
beeping like usual before starting the memory test.
Everything seems to power up all the fans are going, keyboard lights flash,etc...
just no beep...nothing.
Ever so often it will beep and go to the memory test screen , but it freezes
there and doesn't cycle the memory it just freezes there.
I tried diconnecting the HDs, CDrom, NetworkWireless card, Memory sticks
one at a time....nothing seems to be the cause.
I was wondering if the MB is shot. The thing should boot and run a memory
test even if the HDs are bad correct? It should let me in the BIOS without
freezing correct?
Could something have blown on the MB?
Any ideas I could try?
Thanks,
bSounds to me like dead memory.
Try pulling a memory stick one by one , (assuming you have more than one
piece of memory), and see what happens.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:44f4e225@linux...
>
> Ok, I got a A7N8X-E Deluxe ASUS MB.
> Running one minute and crashed when on the internet
> trying to download Bit Torrent.
> On bootup it will mostly just give a black screen and never
> beeping like usual before starting the memory test.
> Everything seems to power up all the fans are going, keyboard lights
> flash,etc...
> just no beep...nothing.
> Ever so often it will beep and go to the memory test screen , but it
> freezes
> there and doesn't cycle the memory it just freezes there.
> I tried diconnecting the HDs, CDrom, NetworkWireless card, Memory sticks
> one at a time....nothing seems to be the cause.
> I was wondering if the MB is shot. The thing should boot and run a memory
> test even if the HDs are bad correct? It should let me in the BIOS without
> freezing correct?
> Could something have blown on the MB?
> Any ideas I could try?
> Thanks,
> bTried that Martin.
Nothing....same thing.
thanks
b
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Sounds to me like dead memory.
>Try pulling a memory stick one by one , (assuming you have more than one
>piece of memory), and see what happens.
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:44f4e225@linux...
>>
>> Ok, I got a A7N8X-E Deluxe ASUS MB.
>> Running one minute and crashed when on the internet
>> trying to download Bit Torrent.
>> On bootup it will mostly just give a black screen and never
>> beeping like usual before starting the memory test.
>> Everything seems to power up all the fans are going, keyboard lights
>> flash,etc...
>> just no beep...nothing.
>> Ever so often it will beep and go to the memory test screen , but it
>> freezes
>> there and doesn't cycle the memory it just freezes there.
>> I tried diconnecting the HDs, CDrom, NetworkWireless card, Memory sticks
>> one at a time....nothing seems to be the cause.
>> I was wondering if the MB is shot. The thing should boot and run a memory
>> test even if the HDs are bad correct? It should let me in the BIOS without
>> freezing correct?
>> Could something have blown on the MB?
>> Any ideas I could try?
>> Thanks,
>> b
>
>I would check the elecrolytic capacitors on the board.
If they are bloated or leaking, that is most likely the problem.
I had an epox board that was totally stable until one day it
just decided to spontaneously reboot all the time. Bad Caps!
I replaced them, but it is not an operation I would recommend
have a look here:
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2182
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=797&highli ght=a7n8x
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/search.php?searchid=148609
It may or may not be your problem.
Regards,
Kim
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Ok, I got a A7N8X-E Deluxe ASUS MB.
>Running one minute and crashed when on the internet
>trying to download Bit Torrent.
>On bootup it will mostly just give a black screen and never
>beeping like usual before starting the memory test.
>Everything seems to power up all the fans are going, keyboard lights flash,etc...
>just no beep...nothing.
>Ever so often it will beep and go to the memory test screen , but it freezes
>there and doesn't cycle the memory it just freezes there.
>I tried diconnecting the HDs, CDrom, NetworkWireless card, Memory sticks
>one at a time....nothing seems to be the cause.
>I was wondering if the MB is shot. The thing should boot and run a memory
>test even if the HDs are bad correct? It should let me in the BIOS without
>freezing correct?
>Could something have blown on the MB?
>Any ideas I could try?
>Thanks,
>bgene Lennon wrote:
> "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The shock-mount,and swivel mount that came with the Neuman TLM -103 are
> both
>> crappy (the shockmount is $300 ,and it has already broken) Does anyone know
>> of another shock-mount that would work?
>>
>>
> I would try Atlas Pro Audio first. They sell a few on eBay that are a step
> up from the worst crap. I don’t know about the 103. It’s a big one.
> Gene
I think Blue Mics sells some shock mounts. Or whatever color they are now...
Why don't you get Neuman to fix it. At their prices they should stand
behind the mics and stands.Thanks Kim I will look for that.
I didn't notice any blown caps,(leaking)but I will check again.
I looked all over the board for fried parts but didnt see anything.
B
"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote:
>
>I would check the elecrolytic capacitors on the board.
>If they are bloated or leaking, that is most likely the problem.
>I had an epox board that was totally stable until one day it
>just decided to spontaneously reboot all the time. Bad Caps!
>I replaced them, but it is not an operation I would recommend
>
>have a look here:
>
>http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2182
>
> http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=797&highli ght=a7n8x
>
>http://www.badcaps.net/forum/search.php?searchid=148609
>
>It may or may not be your problem.
>
>Regards,
>Kim
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ok, I got a A7N8X-E Deluxe ASUS MB.
>>Running one minute and crashed when on the internet
>>trying to download Bit Torrent.
>>On bootup it will mostly just give a black screen and never
>>beeping like usual before starting the memory test.
>>Everything seems to power up all the fans are going, keyboard lights flash,etc...
>>just no beep...nothing.
>>Ever so often it will beep and go to the memory test screen , but it freezes
>>there and doesn't cycle the memory it just freezes there.
>>I tried diconnecting the HDs, CDrom, NetworkWireless card, Memory sticks
>>one at a time....nothing seems to be the cause.
>>I was wondering if the MB is shot. The thing should boot and run a memory
>>test even if the HDs are bad correct? It should let me in the BIOS without
>>freezing correct?
>>Could something have blown on the MB?
>>Any ideas I could try?
>>Thanks,
>>b
>At the bottom of the article the Dell clerk's surprise is noted.
Perhaps there are incentives he's unaware of. I share your view
on the benefits accruing to the end user.
Ted
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Not so fast :).
>
>You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
>surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time I've
>seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already discounted
in
>flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
>talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in their
>warranty.
>
>The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually offers
>discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP writer,
>Robert Weston.
>
>Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell going
at
>it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>
>AA
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44f49f22@linux...
>>
>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>FWIW-
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
>> 3 year warranty.
>>
>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>>>>piece
>>>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement parts
>>>>and
>>>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>>>>windows
>>>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>>>>(which
>>>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>>>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>>>>> >peripherals.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >;o)
>>>>> >
>>>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
>> what
>>>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
>> from
>>>>> your comments.
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Saw JT North of Toronto last night. Was able to score 2nd row centre seats.
I've seen him more on-top-of-his-game before, but it sure was a nice night:
Great tunes with significant memory appeal, shared with a bunch of close
friends,
including my lovely wife, who's lost her Father this past May, and is losing
her Mother right now... timely indeed.
TedWhy would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44f49f22@linux...
>
> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> >FWIW-
> >
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
> >
> >
>
> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
> 3 year warranty.
>
>
> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
> >>piece
> >>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
parts
> >>and
> >>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
> >>windows
> >>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
> >>(which
> >>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
> >>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
peripherals.
> >>> >
> >>> >;o)
> >>> >
> >>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
> what
> >>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
> from
> >>> your comments.
> >>> ;o)
> >>>
> >>
> >>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
> >>
> >>;o)
> >>
> >>
> >
>I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
;o)
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:44f4e183@linux...
> Not so fast :).
>
> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time I've
> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already discounted
in
> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in
their
> warranty.
>
> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually offers
> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP writer,
> Robert Weston.
>
> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell going
at
> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>
> AA
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:44f49f22@linux...
> >
> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>FWIW-
> >>
> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
their
> > 3 year warranty.
> >
> >
> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
overpriced
> >>>piece
> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
parts
> >>>and
> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
> >>>windows
> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
Windows
> >>>(which
> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
> >>>> >peripherals.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >;o)
> >>>> >
> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
> > what
> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
> > from
> >>>> your comments.
> >>>> ;o)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
> >>>
> >>>;o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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Any suggestions on what software to get?
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"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
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>
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>
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>
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>"DC" <dc@spammersinthe80s.com> wrote:
>
>Steve said:
>
>>no comment
>
>
>BWAH HAH HAH!
>
>Hippie!
>
>*I* on the other hand stopped looking like a hippie by oh, let's see,
>1979 at the latest!
>
>heh
>
>DC
>
>
that picture was, coincidentally, from 1978, but I continued to look like
that, off and on, until, well...
no comment
!while i won't totally disagree i will say that drums tracked in paris
and mixed in either logic or dp do sound better than those tracked in
either of the two, more noticeably in dp.
On 30 Aug 2006 14:04:15 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I think the general consensus is that most of the Paris sound comes from
>mixing within Paris...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
>>something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
>=
>>DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
>>as the Paris sound goes?
>>
>>Any suggestions on what software to get?
>>
>>Any reason not to go this route?
>>
>>Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware from
>=
>>another app, for punching in and such?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>--=20
>>Erick Kent
>>
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>=
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>>I am going the same route, but I was under the impression that the summing
bus
is what gave PARIS its sound. Is that not correct?
I have been concerned about this too.
I will be using Cubase SX for mixing and PARIS for tracking.
--
Brandon
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> while i won't totally disagree i will say that drums tracked in paris
> and mixed in either logic or dp do sound better than those tracked in
> either of the two, more noticeably in dp.
>
> On 30 Aug 2006 14:04:15 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >I think the general consensus is that most of the Paris sound comes from
> >mixing within Paris...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kim.
> >
> >"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
> >>something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
> >=
> >>DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
> >>as the Paris sound goes?
> >>
> >>Any suggestions on what software to get?
> >>
> >>Any reason not to go this route?
> >>
> >>Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware from
> >=
> >>another app, for punching in and such?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>--=20
> >>Erick Kent
> >>
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> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about getting
> >=
> >>another=20
> >>piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
> >>doesn't=20
> >>"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will
> >=
> >>
> >>anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
> >>software to=20
> >>get?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
> >>route?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers =
> >>allow me to=20
> >>track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
> >>such?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
> >>Kent</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >>
> >>
>Good idea..the metal is like"potmetal" very brittle...it cracked where the
tightening screw is...
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:44f4eddc$1@linux...
> gene Lennon wrote:
> > "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> The shock-mount,and swivel mount that came with the Neuman TLM -103 are
> > both
> >> crappy (the shockmount is $300 ,and it has already broken) Does anyone
know
> >> of another shock-mount that would work?
> >>
> >>
> > I would try Atlas Pro Audio first. They sell a few on eBay that are a
step
> > up from the worst crap. I don’t know about the 103. It’s a big one.
> > Gene
> I think Blue Mics sells some shock mounts. Or whatever color they are
now...
>
> Why don't you get Neuman to fix it. At their prices they should stand
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Mixing in Paris is what Paris is all about...........and therein lies =
the problem. You can, however mix in Paris and use Cubase SX for =
processing the tracks. All it takes is a few thousand dollars and about =
a year to get the systems configured properly.
;o)
"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message =
news:44f507e4@linux...
I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using =
DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
as the Paris sound goes?
Any suggestions on what software to get?
Any reason not to go this route?
Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware =
from another app, for punching in and such?
Thanks,
--=20
Erick Kent
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mixing in Paris is what Paris is all=20
about...........and therein lies the problem. You can, however mix in =
Paris and=20
use Cubase SX for processing the tracks. All it takes is a =
few thousand=20
dollars and about a year to get the systems configured =
properly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message <A =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about =
getting another=20
piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
doesn't=20
"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, =
will=20
anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
software to=20
get?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
route?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers =
allow me to=20
track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
such?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
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So tell me this DJ..
I havent put much thought into trying to figure out how to do this =
but...
How do you group certain channels into a sub stereo channel?
Example: I want to send the Kick and the Bass to a 3rd channel to get =
compressed/limited together
using a native plugin for the processing, but I want to be able to use =
Paris EQ and Trim on the bass
& kick before they are sent over to the 3rd channel for processing.
Also I don't want the individual Kick and Bass tracks heard in the mix, =
just the processed 3rd channel.
thanks,
--=20
Brandon=20
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:44f59341@linux...
Mixing in Paris is what Paris is all about...........and therein lies =
the problem. You can, however mix in Paris and use Cubase SX for =
processing the tracks. All it takes is a few thousand dollars and about =
a year to get the systems configured properly.
;o)
"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message =
news:44f507e4@linux...
I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using =
DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
as the Paris sound goes?
Any suggestions on what software to get?
Any reason not to go this route?
Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware =
from another app, for punching in and such?
Thanks,
--=20
Erick Kent
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So tell me this DJ..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I havent put much thought into trying to figure =
out how to=20
do this but...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How do you group certain channels into a sub =
stereo=20
channel?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Example: I want to send the Kick and the Bass to =
a 3rd=20
channel to get compressed/limited together</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>using a native plugin for the processing, but I =
want to be=20
able to use Paris EQ and Trim on the bass</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>& kick before they are sent over to the 3rd =
channel=20
for processing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also I don't want the individual Kick and Bass =
tracks=20
heard in the mix, just the processed 3rd channel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Brandon </DIV>
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=
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wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mixing in Paris is what Paris is all=20
about...........and therein lies the problem. You can, however mix in =
Paris=20
and use Cubase SX for processing the tracks. All it takes is a=20
few thousand dollars and about a year to get the systems =
configured=20
properly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message =
<A=20
href=3D"news:44f507e4@linux">news:44f507e4@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about =
getting another=20
piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
doesn't=20
"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, =
will=20
anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
software to=20
get?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this =
route?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO =
drivers allow me=20
to track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
such?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
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Now same scenario, but with stereo processing on the 3rd & 4th channels?
--=20
Brandon
a@a.com> wrote in message news:44f59b63@linux...
So tell me this DJ..
I havent put much thought into trying to figure out how to do this =
but...
How do you group certain channels into a sub stereo channel?
Example: I want to send the Kick and the Bass to a 3rd channel to get =
compressed/limited together
using a native plugin for the processing, but I want to be able to use =
Paris EQ and Trim on the bass
& kick before they are sent over to the 3rd channel for processing.
Also I don't want the individual Kick and Bass tracks heard in the =
mix, just the processed 3rd channel.
thanks,
--=20
Brandon=20
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:44f59341@linux...
Mixing in Paris is what Paris is all about...........and therein =
lies the problem. You can, however mix in Paris and use Cubase SX for =
processing the tracks. All it takes is a few thousand dollars and about =
a year to get the systems configured properly.
;o)
"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message =
news:44f507e4@linux...
I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using =
DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
as the Paris sound goes?
Any suggestions on what software to get?
Any reason not to go this route?
Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware =
from another app, for punching in and such?
Thanks,
--=20
Erick Kent
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Now same scenario, but with stereo processing on =
the 3rd=20
& 4th channels?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Brandon</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So tell me this DJ..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I havent put much thought into trying to =
figure out how=20
to do this but...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How do you group certain channels into a sub =
stereo=20
channel?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Example: I want to send the Kick and the Bass =
to a 3rd=20
channel to get compressed/limited together</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>using a native plugin for the processing, but =
I want to=20
be able to use Paris EQ and Trim on the bass</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>& kick before they are sent over to the =
3rd channel=20
for processing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also I don't want the individual Kick and Bass =
tracks=20
heard in the mix, just the processed 3rd channel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Brandon </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
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wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mixing in Paris is what Paris is =
all=20
about...........and therein lies the problem. You can, however mix =
in Paris=20
and use Cubase SX for processing the tracks. All it takes is a=20
few thousand dollars and about a year to get the systems =
configured=20
properly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in =
message <A=20
href=3D"news:44f507e4@linux">news:44f507e4@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about =
getting=20
another piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi =
better=20
and doesn't "flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still =
track in=20
Paris, will anything be lost as far as the Paris sound=20
goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
software to=20
get?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go =
this=20
route?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO =
drivers allow=20
me to track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in =
and=20
such?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
=
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------=_NextPart_000_023E_01C6CC14.A4F723B0--"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Why would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
Precisely-
Though I actually know 2 studios that run Dells (one does one level
below major label stuff, the other does Imax Post - one of the top
2 or 3 in the world-) the point in adding this article to the discussion
is simply to hilight that Macs aren't (anymore) ridiculously overpriced
hardware boxes requiring rediculously overpriced replacenemt parts
to repair.
Dells have the public perception (rightly or wrongly) of being decent,
working machines configured and tested to suit the needs of the mainstream.
Since Macs hace been labelled overpriced & elitist, it's significant that
they are now
less costly, or at least in the same ballpark as, such a mainstream
competitor.
I could care less which platform anyone chooses to use for whatever it is
they do, but when I went to price out "Audio" PCs for a Nuendo setup, comparable
configs to the Macs I had already for Logic (and on another box, for Paris)
ended up costing either just about the same, or (usually) more...
FWIW again
Ted
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Why would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44f49f22@linux...
>>
>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >FWIW-
>> >
>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >
>> >
>>
>> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
>> 3 year warranty.
>>
>>
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>> >>piece
>> >>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>parts
>> >>and
>> >>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>> >>windows
>> >>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>> >>(which
>> >>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>> >>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>peripherals.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >;o)
>> >>> >
>> >>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
>> what
>> >>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
>> from
>> >>> your comments.
>> >>> ;o)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >>
>> >>;o)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>Hi guys, so here is my dilemma. I need 4 discreet stereo Queue mixs from my
2 card Paris system. What would be the easiest/cheapest way of doing this?
I'm guessing I need a MEC with an 8out card for each EDS (16ch submix),
then use 4 auxs set to stereo/external on each submix, sum them together
externally and rout them to my 4 channel stereo headphone amp.
I have 1 MEC with an 8out and 1 442 now, and i'm using a mono version of
this config, the routing part from Paris works great but the mono mix in the
cans is just way to cluttered.
Any help/suggestions would be very much appreciated.
Rob A
www.studiomanitou.comWatch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3MaUSbaqlgI completely agree.
-Carl
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:44f50e3f$1@linux...
>
>
> I think the general consensus is that most of the Paris sound comes from
> mixing within Paris...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
> >something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
> =
> >DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
> >as the Paris sound goes?
> >
> >Any suggestions on what software to get?
> >
> >Any reason not to go this route?
> >
> >Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware from
> =
> >another app, for punching in and such?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >--=20
> >Erick Kent
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> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about getting
> =
> >another=20
> >piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
> >doesn't=20
> >"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will
> =
> >
> >anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
> >software to=20
> >get?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
> >route?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers =
> >allow me to=20
> >track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
> >such?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
> >Kent</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>Guys, here are the latest round of tour dates. The shows at The Mohegan Sun
are "freebies"...can't ask for much more than that!
9/1/2006
CLEVELAND, OH
Playhouse Square
w/ Frankie Beverly & Maze
9/2/2006 - 7:30
Uncasville, CT
MOHEGAN SUN
MOHEGAN SUN
Freebie
9/3/2006 - 7:30
Uncasville, CT
MOHEGAN SUN
MOHEGAN SUN
Freebie
9/9/2006
Pitts, PA
Benedum Theater
9/15/2006 - 8 PM
NYC, NY
Beacon Theater
w/ The Whispers
9/17/2006
Columbia, SC
Township Auditorium
9/30/2006
Long Island, NY
North Fork TheaterWell, my laptop is a Dell and I do audio on it. The Precision Workstation
series is also an excellent, high quality platform for anything.
And don't forget millions of kids around the world who have nothing but a
Dell in the house and want to make music on their computer.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Why would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:44f49f22@linux...
>>
>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >FWIW-
>> >
>> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >
>> >
>>
>> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for their
>> 3 year warranty.
>>
>>
>> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously overpriced
>> >>piece
>> >>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>parts
>> >>and
>> >>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage over
>> >>windows
>> >>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than Windows
>> >>(which
>> >>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
>> >>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>peripherals.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >;o)
>> >>> >
>> >>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you saw
>> what
>> >>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
>> from
>> >>> your comments.
>> >>> ;o)
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >>
>> >>;o)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Saw JT North of Toronto last night. Was able to score 2nd row centre seats.
>
>I've seen him more on-top-of-his-game before, but it sure was a nice night:
>
>Great tunes with significant memory appeal, shared with a bunch of close
>friends,
>including my lovely wife, who's lost her Father this past May, and is losing
>her Mother right now... timely indeed.
>
>
>Ted
Hey Ted, sorry to hear about your mother in law. I'll pray for your family.
JamesFollowed up with a toasty helping of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F1J-E7cmh0&mode=related& amp;search=
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote:
>
>Watch this:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3MaUSbaqlgWhen paris 3.0 boots i get this message;i/o modules in this patch setting
are not available in this configuration of paris.
The resulting audio may be different than when saved.
Mac G4,two mecs ext wc to UA2192
The mec has two 8 ins and one 8 out
Thanks Eugeneon a dual channel DDR MB, maybe you have to take care for what slot is used
for your mem sticks even with one stick.
maybe you can try to check with one stick, in each slot.
"Brandon" <a@a.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 44f4e8eb$1@linux...
>
> Tried that Martin.
> Nothing....same thing.
> thanks
> b
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Sounds to me like dead memory.
>>Try pulling a memory stick one by one , (assuming you have more than one
>
>>piece of memory), and see what happens.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:44f4e225@linux...
>>>
>>> Ok, I got a A7N8X-E Deluxe ASUS MB.
>>> Running one minute and crashed when on the internet
>>> trying to download Bit Torrent.
>>> On bootup it will mostly just give a black screen and never
>>> beeping like usual before starting the memory test.
>>> Everything seems to power up all the fans are going, keyboard lights
>>> flash,etc...
>>> just no beep...nothing.
>>> Ever so often it will beep and go to the memory test screen , but it
>>> freezes
>>> there and doesn't cycle the memory it just freezes there.
>>> I tried diconnecting the HDs, CDrom, NetworkWireless card, Memory sticks
>>> one at a time....nothing seems to be the cause.
>>> I was wondering if the MB is shot. The thing should boot and run a
>>> memory
>>> test even if the HDs are bad correct? It should let me in the BIOS
>>> without
>>> freezing correct?
>>> Could something have blown on the MB?
>>> Any ideas I could try?
>>> Thanks,
>>> b
>>
>>
>Go to the patchbay window and make sure it only shows the i/o modules you
actually have available i.e. two MECs, two 8 ins, one 8 out, etc. in the
main window. I get this message on old projects from when I used to have an
ADAT card. If I go in to the patchbay, drag the ADAT module out and re-save
the project, the message goes away.
Tony
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44f5d4b9$1@linux...
>
> When paris 3.0 boots i get this message;i/o modules in this patch setting
> are not available in this configuration of paris.
> The resulting audio may be different than when saved.
>
> Mac G4,two mecs ext wc to UA2192
> The mec has two 8 ins and one 8 out
> Thanks EugeneI will try, but I am leaning towards a corrupt BIOS.
--
Brandon Goodwin
Process Engineering
Pentech Assembly
"Damien Gelée" <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
news:44f5d953@linux...
> on a dual channel DDR MB, maybe you have to take care for what slot is
used
> for your mem sticks even with one stick.
> maybe you can try to check with one stick, in each slot.
>
>
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 44f4e8eb$1@linux...
> >
> > Tried that Martin.
> > Nothing....same thing.
> > thanks
> > b
> >
> > "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>Sounds to me like dead memory.
> >>Try pulling a memory stick one by one , (assuming you have more than one
> >
> >>piece of memory), and see what happens.
> >>--
> >>Martin Harrington
> >>www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>
> >>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:44f4e225@linux...
> >>>
> >>> Ok, I got a A7N8X-E Deluxe ASUS MB.
> >>> Running one minute and crashed when on the internet
> >>> trying to download Bit Torrent.
> >>> On bootup it will mostly just give a black screen and never
> >>> beeping like usual before starting the memory test.
> >>> Everything seems to power up all the fans are going, keyboard lights
> >>> flash,etc...
> >>> just no beep...nothing.
> >>> Ever so often it will beep and go to the memory test screen , but it
> >>> freezes
> >>> there and doesn't cycle the memory it just freezes there.
> >>> I tried diconnecting the HDs, CDrom, NetworkWireless card, Memory
sticks
> >>> one at a time....nothing seems to be the cause.
> >>> I was wondering if the MB is shot. The thing should boot and run a
> >>> memory
> >>> test even if the HDs are bad correct? It should let me in the BIOS
> >>> without
> >>> freezing correct?
> >>> Could something have blown on the MB?
> >>> Any ideas I could try?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> b
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>Hello,
i'm waiting for my first paris (such a strange idee in 2006...), and study
the docs.
i wonder if it's usable when using virtual mixes as subgroups : working on
one submix, swap on an other so on , and mixdown with the master mixer....
with only one EDS.
Is it long to set a mix from EDS to virtual and update it ?
does most paris user have succesfully migrate to XP ?
thanksOh yeah. Who needs coffee?
"AA" <nospam@noway.net> wrote:
>
>Followed up with a toasty helping of:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F1J-E7cmh0&mode=related& amp;search=
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote:
>>
>>Watch this:
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3MaUSbaqlg
>For me, I like to track & edit in Nuendo, THEN (smile) depending on the music
style, mix in Paris or Pro Tools..With Paris being my favorite. BUT, Pro-Tools
(7.1) has a very nice high-end sound quality that's makes mixing very easy..
All that being said, Nuendo/SX 's Editing & worksflow is in a league of their
own. So, flexible, easy, yet very intuitive and powerful.
Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to Paris
for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
>
>
>I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
>something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
=
>DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
>as the Paris sound goes?
>
>Any suggestions on what software to get?
>
>Any reason not to go this route?
>
>Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware from
=
>another app, for punching in and such?
>
>Thanks,
>
>--=20
>Erick Kent
>
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=
>another=20
>piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
>doesn't=20
>"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will
=
>
>anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
>software to=20
>get?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
>route?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers =
>allow me to=20
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>such?</FONT></DIV>
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>
>Lol!!! Dj, I use a simular work flow method, but I either use OMF into Paris
form Nuendo/SX or Just ue the export..(long way).
However, I hae used my RME (Asio) card to do 8 track ADAT X-fers into Paris
..Works like a charm
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>
>Mixing in Paris is what Paris is all about...........and therein lies =
>the problem. You can, however mix in Paris and use Cubase SX for =
>processing the tracks. All it takes is a few thousand dollars and about
=
>a year to get the systems configured properly.
>
>;o)
>
> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message =
>news:44f507e4@linux...
> I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
>something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
=
>DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
>as the Paris sound goes?
>
> Any suggestions on what software to get?
>
> Any reason not to go this route?
>
> Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware =
>from another app, for punching in and such?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --=20
> Erick Kent
>
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>about...........and therein lies the problem. You can, however mix in =
>Paris and=20
>use Cubase SX for processing the tracks. All it takes is a =
>few thousand=20
>dollars and about a year to get the systems configured =
>properly.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
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> <DIV>"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message <A =
>
> href=3D"news:44f507e4@linux">news:44f507e4@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about =
>getting another=20
> piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
>doesn't=20
> "flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, =
>will=20
> anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
>software to=20
> get?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
> route?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers
=
>allow me to=20
> track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
> such?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
>Kent</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
I build Custom audio PC's.
See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I would
say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive can
and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign, are
some of the best machines out there.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
>works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
>
>;o)
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:44f4e183@linux...
>> Not so fast :).
>>
>> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
>> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time
I've
>> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already discounted
>in
>> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
>> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in
>their
>> warranty.
>>
>> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually offers
>> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP writer,
>> Robert Weston.
>>
>> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell going
>at
>> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:44f49f22@linux...
>> >
>> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>FWIW-
>> >>
>> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
>their
>> > 3 year warranty.
>> >
>> >
>> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
>overpriced
>> >>>piece
>> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>parts
>> >>>and
>> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
over
>> >>>windows
>> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
>Windows
>> >>>(which
>> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
of
>> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>> >>>> >peripherals.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >;o)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
saw
>> > what
>> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one "ridiculously"
>> > from
>> >>>> your comments.
>> >>>> ;o)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >>>
>> >>>;o)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>They should be made to suffer in hopes that they will give up and pay money
to *real* studios running Windows PC's.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:44f5c80e$1@linux...
>
> Well, my laptop is a Dell and I do audio on it. The Precision Workstation
> series is also an excellent, high quality platform for anything.
>
> And don't forget millions of kids around the world who have nothing but a
> Dell in the house and want to make music on their computer.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Why would anyone want to buy a Dell for audio?
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:44f49f22@linux...
> >>
> >> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >FWIW-
> >> >
> >> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
their
> >> 3 year warranty.
> >>
> >>
> >> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
overpriced
> >> >>piece
> >> >>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
> >parts
> >> >>and
> >> >>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
over
> >> >>windows
> >> >>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
Windows
> >> >>(which
> >> >>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece of
> >> >>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
> >peripherals.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >;o)
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
saw
> >> what
> >> >>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one
"ridiculously"
> >> from
> >> >>> your comments.
> >> >>> ;o)
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
> >> >>
> >> >>;o)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>OK!!! OK!!!.........uncle!!!!.......(I'd still rather roll my own though)
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e5d2$1@linux...
>
> I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
> I build Custom audio PC's.
>
> See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I would
> say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive can
> and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
>
> Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign, are
> some of the best machines out there.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
> >works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> >news:44f4e183@linux...
> >> Not so fast :).
> >>
> >> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
> >> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time
> I've
> >> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already
discounted
> >in
> >> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time I
> >> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around in
> >their
> >> warranty.
> >>
> >> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually
offers
> >> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP
writer,
> >> Robert Weston.
> >>
> >> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell
going
> >at
> >> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
> >>
> >> AA
> >>
> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:44f49f22@linux...
> >> >
> >> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>FWIW-
> >> >>
> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
> >their
> >> > 3 year warranty.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
> >overpriced
> >> >>>piece
> >> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
> >parts
> >> >>>and
> >> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
> over
> >> >>>windows
> >> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
> >Windows
> >> >>>(which
> >> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
> of
> >> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
> >> >>>> >peripherals.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >;o)
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
> saw
> >> > what
> >> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one
"ridiculously"
> >> > from
> >> >>>> your comments.
> >> >>>> ;o)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
> >> >>>
> >> >>>;o)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>I've just finished mixing a 2hr concert DVD in Nuendo subgrouped out to 16
channels of Paris for summing. The difference between the stereo out of
Nuendo and the stereo sum of Paris is NOT subtle! I've just started my next
mix project - same thing - remember these are 1 or 2 hr files at 24bit - 50
or so of them so you don't want to be converting to .pafs.
I've bought an Echo Layla which has 8 analog out 8 adat out staight into my
MEC. The Paris sound is definitley within its own 'mix' page.
Cheers,
David.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e3df$1@linux...
>
> For me, I like to track & edit in Nuendo, THEN (smile) depending on the
music
> style, mix in Paris or Pro Tools..With Paris being my favorite. BUT,
Pro-Tools
> (7.1) has a very nice high-end sound quality that's makes mixing very
easy..
>
> All that being said, Nuendo/SX 's Editing & worksflow is in a league of
their
> own. So, flexible, easy, yet very intuitive and powerful.
> Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to Paris
> for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
>
>
>
> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
> >something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
> =
> >DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
> >as the Paris sound goes?
> >
> >Any suggestions on what software to get?
> >
> >Any reason not to go this route?
> >
> >Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware from
> =
> >another app, for punching in and such?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >--=20
> >Erick Kent
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
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> ><STYLE></STYLE>
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> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about getting
> =
> >another=20
> >piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
> >doesn't=20
> >"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will
> =
> >
> >anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
> >software to=20
> >get?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
> >route?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers =
> >allow me to=20
> >track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
> >such?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
> >Kent</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>Welcome aboard Damien, I'm sure you'll have a blast with Paris. Where are
you from?
"Damien Gelée" <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
news:44f5e139@linux...
> Hello,
>
> i'm waiting for my first paris (such a strange idee in 2006...), and study
> the docs.
>
> i wonder if it's usable when using virtual mixes as subgroups : working
on
> one submix, swap on an other so on , and mixdown with the master mixer....
> with only one EDS.
> Is it long to set a mix from EDS to virtual and update it ?
>
> does most paris user have succesfully migrate to XP ?
>
> thanks
>
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> I want to send the Kick and the Bass to a 3rd channel to get =
compressed/limited together
>using a native plugin for the processing,=20
Ok.......this is done in you native program easily by bussing these =
tracks to the appropriate plugin/bus......
>but I want to be able to use Paris EQ and Trim on the bass
>& kick before they are sent over to the 3rd channel for processing.
you would have to lightpipe these tracks from your native app to an =
empty Paris channel and process them.........
>Also I don't want the individual Kick and Bass tracks heard in the mix, =
just the processed 3rd channel.
...........then return them to a separate bus of the native app via a =
Paris insert, have the bus process the track and then output the bus to =
yet another empty Paris channel.
This sounds so over the top that I don't think it would be worthwhile. =
It would be far easier to use the Paris VST EQ and a 3rd party tape =
emulator plugin in the native app and then just output the bus to a pair =
of Paris channels.
Deej
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:44f59b63@linux...
So tell me this DJ..
I havent put much thought into trying to figure out how to do this =
but...
How do you group certain channels into a sub stereo channel?
Example: I want to send the Kick and the Bass to a 3rd channel to get =
compressed/limited together
using a native plugin for the processing, but I want to be able to use =
Paris EQ and Trim on the bass
& kick before they are sent over to the 3rd channel for processing.
Also I don't want the individual Kick and Bass tracks heard in the =
mix, just the processed 3rd channel.
thanks,
--=20
Brandon=20
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:44f59341@linux...
Mixing in Paris is what Paris is all about...........and therein =
lies the problem. You can, however mix in Paris and use Cubase SX for =
processing the tracks. All it takes is a few thousand dollars and about =
a year to get the systems configured properly.
;o)
"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message =
news:44f507e4@linux...
I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using =
DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
as the Paris sound goes?
Any suggestions on what software to get?
Any reason not to go this route?
Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware =
from another app, for punching in and such?
Thanks,
--=20
Erick Kent
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>> I want to send the Kick and the Bass =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ok.......this is done in you native program =
easily by=20
bussing these tracks to the appropriate plugin/bus......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>>but I want to be able to use Paris EQ and =
Trim on the=20
bass</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>>& kick before they are sent over to the =
3rd=20
channel for processing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>you would have to lightpipe these tracks from =
your native=20
app to an empty Paris channel and process them.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>>Also I don't want the individual Kick and =
Bass tracks=20
heard in the mix, just the processed 3rd channel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>..........then return them to a separate bus =
of the=20
native app via a Paris insert, have the bus process the track and then =
output=20
the bus to yet another empty Paris channel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>This sounds so over the top that I don't think =
it would be=20
worthwhile. It would be far easier to use the Paris VST EQ and a 3rd =
party tape=20
emulator plugin in the native app and then just output the bus to a pair =
of=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Deej</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>"Brandon" <<A href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> wrote in =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>So tell me this DJ..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I havent put much thought into trying to =
figure out how=20
to do this but...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>How do you group certain channels into a sub =
stereo=20
channel?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Example: I want to send the Kick and the Bass =
to a 3rd=20
channel to get compressed/limited together</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>using a native plugin for the processing, but =
I want to=20
be able to use Paris EQ and Trim on the bass</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>& kick before they are sent over to the =
3rd channel=20
for processing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Also I don't want the individual Kick and Bass =
tracks=20
heard in the mix, just the processed 3rd channel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Brandon </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mixing in Paris is what Paris is =
all=20
about...........and therein lies the problem. You can, however mix =
in Paris=20
and use Cubase SX for processing the tracks. All it takes is a=20
few thousand dollars and about a year to get the systems =
configured=20
properly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in =
message <A=20
href=3D"news:44f507e4@linux">news:44f507e4@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about =
getting=20
another piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi =
better=20
and doesn't "flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still =
track in=20
Paris, will anything be lost as far as the Paris sound=20
goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
software to=20
get?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go =
this=20
route?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO =
drivers allow=20
me to track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in =
and=20
such?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
=
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------=_NextPart_000_00D8_01C6C879.CF85FAA0--> Is it long to set a mix from EDS to virtual and update it ?
Yes. That's why most folks use multiple card systems.
> does most paris user have succesfully migrate to XP ?
I don't know. XP has advantages and disadvantages. If you are needing to use
native plugins that won't work in Win 9x, then XP is an advantage. I think
there is a bit of a difference in the sound of Paris when ruinning on XP. It
doesn't sound bad, just a little different. XP is a more stable OS than Win
9x overall so that is an advantage sometimes, though not an issue for me
personally.
OTOH, if you are needing a larger system with more than one ADAT module per
MEC, forget using XP. It is very difficult (I won't say impossible) to get
more than one ADAT module per MEC to work.
Deej
"Damien Gelée" <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
news:44f5e139@linux...
> Hello,
>
> i'm waiting for my first paris (such a strange idee in 2006...), and study
> the docs.
>
> i wonder if it's usable when using virtual mixes as subgroups : working
on
> one submix, swap on an other so on , and mixdown with the master mixer....
> with only one EDS.
> Is it long to set a mix from EDS to virtual and update it ?
>
> does most paris user have succesfully migrate to XP ?
>
> thanks
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>OK!!! OK!!!.........uncle!!!!.......(I'd still rather roll my own though)
Very cool. (that you'd still rather roll your own)
T
>
>;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e5d2$1@linux...
>>
>> I love Dell machines. And theyhave thee best warranties on the planet.ANd
>> I build Custom audio PC's.
>>
>> See, it depends on What dell model line you're talking about. But, I would
>> say the even your run of the Mill 499.00 dell, with a secod Hard drive
can
>> and will give you at least 100 tracls with loads of Plugs..
>>
>> Now, there high-end workstations(That have been speced) by Digidesign,
are
>> some of the best machines out there.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I understand what you're saying Aaron and I think it's great that a Dell
>> >works for audio, but my point is that with a Win PC, you have choices.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> >news:44f4e183@linux...
>> >> Not so fast :).
>> >>
>> >> You can kill warranty if you want to by calling Dell, and I'd be very
>> >> surprised if you couldn't kill it from the website too. The only time
>> I've
>> >> seen Dell say no was in a prepackaged 'special offer' already
>discounted
>> >in
>> >> flyers/web ads. The warranty moves in one year increments. Last time
I
>> >> talked with Apple they didn't offer that much option to move around
in
>> >their
>> >> warranty.
>> >>
>> >> The other thing that may not have been covered is that Dell usually
>offers
>> >> discounts and incentives - which I didn't see referenced by the AP
>writer,
>> >> Robert Weston.
>> >>
>> >> Still in all, this is good news and I'm glad to see Apple and Dell
>going
>> >at
>> >> it, just means better and cheaper for us users.
>> >>
>> >> AA
>> >>
>> >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:44f49f22@linux...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>FWIW-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_hi_te/tech_test_ma c_pro_3
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > So unlike Dell, Apple gives you a choice, you don't have to pay for
>> >their
>> >> > 3 year warranty.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:44f282f3$1@linux...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >But basically I'd be running PC software on a ridiculously
>> >overpriced
>> >> >>>piece
>> >> >>>> >of proprietary hardware with ridiculously overpriced replacement
>> >parts
>> >> >>>and
>> >> >>>> >peripherals on an OS that wouldn't really give me any advantage
>> over
>> >> >>>windows
>> >> >>>> >other than the fact that if I *wanted* to use OSX rather than
>> >Windows
>> >> >>>(which
>> >> >>>> >I don't) then I could........on a ridiculously overpriced piece
>> of
>> >> >>>> >proprietary hardware with overpriced replacement parts and
>> >> >>>> >peripherals.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> >;o)
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> If you were holding my MacBook Pro with the RAID running and you
>> saw
>> >> > what
>> >> >>>> it can do, you would be forced to remove at least one
>"ridiculously"
>> >> > from
>> >> >>>> your comments.
>> >> >>>> ;o)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Hmmm.........sounds like it's ridiculously fast
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>;o)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>Saw JT North of Toronto last night. Was able to score 2nd row centre seats.
>>
>>I've seen him more on-top-of-his-game before, but it sure was a nice night:
>>
>>Great tunes with significant memory appeal, shared with a bunch of close
>>friends,
>>including my lovely wife, who's lost her Father this past May, and is losing
>>her Mother right now... timely indeed.
>>
>>
>>Ted
>
>Hey Ted, sorry to hear about your mother in law. I'll pray for your family.
>
>James
>
Thanks James.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSKTvZvQU_Y&NROnce I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to Paris
for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
So LaMont,
You're processing the tracks in Nuendo, then once you feel like you've got
what you want, you render those tracks as contiguous files and then import
them to Paris and mix there rather than just streaming them via lightpipe
from the Nuendo DAW to the Paris DAW?
Thanks,
Deej
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e3df$1@linux...
>
> For me, I like to track & edit in Nuendo, THEN (smile) depending on the
music
> style, mix in Paris or Pro Tools..With Paris being my favorite. BUT,
Pro-Tools
> (7.1) has a very nice high-end sound quality that's makes mixing very
easy..
>
> All that being said, Nuendo/SX 's Editing & worksflow is in a league of
their
> own. So, flexible, easy, yet very intuitive and powerful.
> Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to Paris
> for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
>
>
>
> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
> >something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
> =
> >DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
> >as the Paris sound goes?
> >
> >Any suggestions on what software to get?
> >
> >Any reason not to go this route?
> >
> >Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware from
> =
> >another app, for punching in and such?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >--=20
> >Erick Kent
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about getting
> =
> >another=20
> >piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
> >doesn't=20
> >"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will
> =
> >
> >anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
> >software to=20
> >get?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
> >route?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers =
> >allow me to=20
> >track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
> >such?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
> >Kent</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSKTvZvQU_Y&NR
>
>
LOL!Could you expand on lightpipe and Paris? I am not sure I understand.
Thanks,
--
Erick Kent
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44f64365$1@linux...
> Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to Paris
> for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
>
> So LaMont,
>
> You're processing the tracks in Nuendo, then once you feel like you've got
> what you want, you render those tracks as contiguous files and then import
> them to Paris and mix there rather than just streaming them via lightpipe
> from the Nuendo DAW to the Paris DAW?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44f5e3df$1@linux...
>>
>> For me, I like to track & edit in Nuendo, THEN (smile) depending on the
> music
>> style, mix in Paris or Pro Tools..With Paris being my favorite. BUT,
> Pro-Tools
>> (7.1) has a very nice high-end sound quality that's makes mixing very
> easy..
>>
>> All that being said, Nuendo/SX 's Editing & worksflow is in a league of
> their
>> own. So, flexible, easy, yet very intuitive and powerful.
>> Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to Paris
>> for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
>>
>>
>>
>> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
>> >something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much using
>> =
>> >DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far =
>> >as the Paris sound goes?
>> >
>> >Any suggestions on what software to get?
>> >
>> >Any reason not to go this route?
>> >
>> >Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware from
>> =
>> >another app, for punching in and such?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >--=20
>> >Erick Kent
>> >
>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>> ></HEAD>
>> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about getting
>> =
>> >another=20
>> >piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
>> >doesn't=20
>> >"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will
>> =
>> >
>> >anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
>> >software to=20
>> >get?</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go this=20
>> >route?</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers =
>> >allow me to=20
>> >track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
>> >such?</FONT></DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
>> >Kent</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>I remember right after CNN started broadcasting, Bill Tush was on some late
night segment and I guess the some of the crew were bombed out of their
skulls. Tush looked sort of wacked himself and you could hear the crew
laughing uncontrollably off camera.........and then, while the cameras were
rolling, a couple of the crew members took a paper mache' cylinder about 5
feet long that they had painted up to look like a big reefer and they were
parading it back and forth behind Tush while he was trying to do some sort
of news on the air. You should have seen the look on his face when he
caught it in his monitor. This whole thing was being broadcast
internationally. I think a few heads rolled at CNN that night, but man, that
was funny.
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44f647b0$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSKTvZvQU_Y&NR
> >
> >
> LOL!I'm running a 4 card Paris system with 4 x MECS with each MEC having 2 x
ADAT cards. My native system is running 2 x RE HDSP 9652 cards and an RME
Multiface. Additionally, the native system has 3 pair of coaxial spdif I/O.
these are interfaced with a Lexicon PCM 91, a Quantec Yardstick and a Roland
R-880 so that all tracks in a mix can be processed with these units as
external FX in Cubase, thus eliminating the submix limitations of Paris as
far as external processors are concerned. Additionally, the 8 x analog I/O
of the Multiface are set up as external FX in Cubase SX for processing
tracks with outboard compressors and EQ's on the Cubase inserts.
The Paris system is are clocked to a Lucid GenX-6 and is sending the
regenerated timecode via the sync ports to the RME HDSP 9652's and the
Multiface so that the cubase system is slaved to the Paris transport and
both systems are commonly clocked. The ADAT I/O of both DAWs are
interconnected as follows:
Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #1 bussing to Paris Submix 1 and 2
Cubase CH 1>RME 1 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 1
Cubase CH 2>RME 1 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 2
Cubase CH 3>RME 1 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 3
Cubase CH 4>RME 1 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 4
Cubase CH 5>RME 1 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 5
Cubase CH 6>RME 1 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 6
Cubase CH 7>RME 1 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 7
Cubase CH 8>RME 1 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 8
Cubase CH 9>RME 1 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 9
Cubase CH 10>RME 1 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 10
Cubase CH 11>RME 1 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 11
Cubase CH 12>RME 1 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 12
Cubase CH 13>RME 1 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 13
Cubase CH 14>RME 1 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 14
Cubase ST CH 15L/ Stereo Group L> RME 1 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 15
Cubase ST CH 15R/ Stereo Group R> RME 1 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 16
Paris Submix #2
Cubase CH 16>RME 1 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris CH 1
Cubase CH 17>RME 1 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris CH 2
Cubase CH 18>RME 1 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris CH 3
Cubase CH 19>RME 1 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris CH 4
Cubase CH 20>RME 1 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris CH 5
Cubase CH 21>RME 1 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris CH 6
Cubase CH 22>RME 1 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris CH 7
Cubase CH 23>RME 1 ADAT 3-24 out > Paris CH 8
Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #2 bussing to Paris Submix 2 AND 3
Cubase CH 24>RME 2 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 9
Cubase CH 25>RME 2 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 10
Cubase CH 26>RME 2 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 11
Cubase CH 27>RME 2 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 12
Cubase CH 28>RME 2 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 13
Cubase CH 29>RME 2 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 14
Cubase CH 30>RME 2 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 15
Cubase CH 31>RME 2 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 16
Paris Submix #3
Cubase CH 32>RME 2 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 1
Cubase CH 33>RME 2 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 2
Cubase CH 34>RME 2 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 3
Cubase CH 35>RME 2 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 4
Cubase CH 36>RME 2 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 5
Cubase CH 37>RME 2 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 6
Cubase CH 38>RME 2 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 7
Cubase CH 39>RME 2 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 8
RME HDSP 9652 Card #2/ADAT 17 thru 24 bussing to Paris Submix 3, Aux 1-4
interfaced with ADAT card #2, MEC #3
Cubase Stereo Group 2 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1L
Cubase Stereo Group 2 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1R
Cubase Stereo Group 3 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2L
Cubase Stereo Group 3 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2R
Cubase Stereo Group 4 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 3L
Cubase Stereo Group 4 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
Cubase Stereo Group 5 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4L
Cubase Stereo Group 5 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-24 -out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
RME Multiface ADAT 1 thru 8 bussing to Paris Submix 4, Aux 1-4 interfaced
with ADAT card #1, MEC #4
Cubase Stereo Group 6 L> Multiface ADAT1 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1L
Cubase Stereo Group 6 R> Multiface ADAT2 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1R
Cubase Stereo Group 7 L> Multiface ADAT3 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2L
Cubase Stereo Group 7 R> Multiface ADAT4 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2R
Cubase Stereo Group 8 L> Multiface ADAT5 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3L
Cubase Stereo Group 8 R> Multiface ADAT6 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3R
Cubase Stereo Group 9 L> Multiface ADAT7 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4L
Cubase Stereo Group 9 R> Multiface ADAT8 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4R
Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #1 bussing to Paris Submix 1 and 2
Cubase CH 1>RME 1 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 1
Cubase CH 2>RME 1 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 2
Cubase CH 3>RME 1 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 3
Cubase CH 4>RME 1 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 4
Cubase CH 5>RME 1 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 5
Cubase CH 6>RME 1 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 6
Cubase CH 7>RME 1 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 7
Cubase CH 8>RME 1 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 8
Cubase CH 9>RME 1 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 9
Cubase CH 10>RME 1 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 10
Cubase CH 11>RME 1 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 11
Cubase CH 12>RME 1 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 12
Cubase CH 13>RME 1 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 13
Cubase CH 14>RME 1 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 14
Cubase ST CH 15L/ Stereo Group L> RME 1 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 15
Cubase ST CH 15R/ Stereo Group R> RME 1 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 16
Paris Submix #2
Cubase CH 16>RME 1 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris CH 1
Cubase CH 17>RME 1 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris CH 2
Cubase CH 18>RME 1 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris CH 3
Cubase CH 19>RME 1 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris CH 4
Cubase CH 20>RME 1 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris CH 5
Cubase CH 21>RME 1 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris CH 6
Cubase CH 22>RME 1 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris CH 7
Cubase CH 23>RME 1 ADAT 3-24 out > Paris CH 8
Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #2 bussing to Paris Submix 2 AND 3
Cubase CH 24>RME 2 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 9
Cubase CH 25>RME 2 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 10
Cubase CH 26>RME 2 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 11
Cubase CH 27>RME 2 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 12
Cubase CH 28>RME 2 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 13
Cubase CH 29>RME 2 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 14
Cubase CH 30>RME 2 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 15
Cubase CH 31>RME 2 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 16
Paris Submix #3
Cubase CH 32>RME 2 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 1
Cubase CH 33>RME 2 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 2
Cubase CH 34>RME 2 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 3
Cubase CH 35>RME 2 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 4
Cubase CH 36>RME 2 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 5
Cubase CH 37>RME 2 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 6
Cubase CH 38>RME 2 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 7
Cubase CH 39>RME 2 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 8
RME HDSP 9652 Card #2/ADAT 17 thru 24 bussing to Paris Submix 3, Aux 1-4
interfaced with ADAT card #2, MEC #3
Cubase Stereo Group 2 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1L
Cubase Stereo Group 2 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1R
Cubase Stereo Group 3 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2L
Cubase Stereo Group 3 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2R
Cubase Stereo Group 4 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 3L
Cubase Stereo Group 4 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
Cubase Stereo Group 5 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4L
Cubase Stereo Group 5 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-24 -out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
RME Multiface ADAT 1 thru 8 bussing to Paris Submix 4, Aux 1-4 interfaced
with ADAT card #1, MEC #4
Cubase Stereo Group 6 L> Multiface ADAT1 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1L
Cubase Stereo Group 6 R> Multiface ADAT2 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1R
Cubase Stereo Group 7 L> Multiface ADAT3 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2L
Cubase Stereo Group 7 R> Multiface ADAT4 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2R
Cubase Stereo Group 8 L> Multiface ADAT5 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3L
Cubase Stereo Group 8 R> Multiface ADAT6 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3R
Cubase Stereo Group 9 L> Multiface ADAT7 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4L
Cubase Stereo Group 9 R> Multiface ADAT8 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4R
The Paris project is set to Live Mix mode. this essentially gives me 38 mono
tracks and a stereo track streaming from Cubase to Paris which is set to
Live Mix mode during mixdown. It also allows me to apply VST FX in cubase SX
over 8 x Paris aux busses.
Now.......aren't you sorry you asked?
;o)
"Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message
news:44f64a59@linux...
> Could you expand on lightpipe and Paris? I am not sure I understand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Erick Kent
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:44f64365$1@linux...
> > Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to Paris
> > for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
> >
> > So LaMont,
> >
> > You're processing the tracks in Nuendo, then once you feel like you've
got
> > what you want, you render those tracks as contiguous files and then
import
> > them to Paris and mix there rather than just streaming them via
lightpipe
> > from the Nuendo DAW to the Paris DAW?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:44f5e3df$1@linux...
> >>
> >> For me, I like to track & edit in Nuendo, THEN (smile) depending on the
> > music
> >> style, mix in Paris or Pro Tools..With Paris being my favorite. BUT,
> > Pro-Tools
> >> (7.1) has a very nice high-end sound quality that's makes mixing very
> > easy..
> >>
> >> All that being said, Nuendo/SX 's Editing & worksflow is in a league of
> > their
> >> own. So, flexible, easy, yet very intuitive and powerful.
> >> Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to
Paris
> >> for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
> >> >something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much
using
> >> =
> >> >DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as far
=
> >> >as the Paris sound goes?
> >> >
> >> >Any suggestions on what software to get?
> >> >
> >> >Any reason not to go this route?
> >> >
> >> >Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware
from
> >> =
> >> >another app, for punching in and such?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks,
> >> >
> >> >--=20
> >> >Erick Kent
> >> >
> >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >> ><HTML><HEAD>
> >> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR>
> >> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> >> ></HEAD>
> >> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about
getting
> >> =
> >> >another=20
> >> >piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and =
> >> >doesn't=20
> >> >"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris,
will
> >> =
> >> >
> >> >anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
> >> >software to=20
> >> >get?</FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go
this=20
> >> >route?</FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO drivers
=
> >> >allow me to=20
> >> >track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
> >> >such?</FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
> >> >Kent</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Well........it looks like I posted the routing matrix in there twice, so
just eliminate the redundancy and you have it.
Deej
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44f65d7a@linux...
> I'm running a 4 card Paris system with 4 x MECS with each MEC having 2 x
> ADAT cards. My native system is running 2 x RE HDSP 9652 cards and an RME
> Multiface. Additionally, the native system has 3 pair of coaxial spdif
I/O.
> these are interfaced with a Lexicon PCM 91, a Quantec Yardstick and a
Roland
> R-880 so that all tracks in a mix can be processed with these units as
> external FX in Cubase, thus eliminating the submix limitations of Paris as
> far as external processors are concerned. Additionally, the 8 x analog I/O
> of the Multiface are set up as external FX in Cubase SX for processing
> tracks with outboard compressors and EQ's on the Cubase inserts.
>
> The Paris system is are clocked to a Lucid GenX-6 and is sending the
> regenerated timecode via the sync ports to the RME HDSP 9652's and the
> Multiface so that the cubase system is slaved to the Paris transport and
> both systems are commonly clocked. The ADAT I/O of both DAWs are
> interconnected as follows:
>
> Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #1 bussing to Paris Submix 1 and 2
>
> Cubase CH 1>RME 1 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 1
> Cubase CH 2>RME 1 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 2
> Cubase CH 3>RME 1 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 3
> Cubase CH 4>RME 1 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 4
> Cubase CH 5>RME 1 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 5
> Cubase CH 6>RME 1 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 6
> Cubase CH 7>RME 1 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 7
> Cubase CH 8>RME 1 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 8
> Cubase CH 9>RME 1 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 9
> Cubase CH 10>RME 1 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 10
> Cubase CH 11>RME 1 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 11
> Cubase CH 12>RME 1 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 12
> Cubase CH 13>RME 1 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 13
> Cubase CH 14>RME 1 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 14
> Cubase ST CH 15L/ Stereo Group L> RME 1 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 15
> Cubase ST CH 15R/ Stereo Group R> RME 1 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 16
>
> Paris Submix #2
>
> Cubase CH 16>RME 1 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris CH 1
> Cubase CH 17>RME 1 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris CH 2
> Cubase CH 18>RME 1 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris CH 3
> Cubase CH 19>RME 1 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris CH 4
> Cubase CH 20>RME 1 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris CH 5
> Cubase CH 21>RME 1 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris CH 6
> Cubase CH 22>RME 1 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris CH 7
> Cubase CH 23>RME 1 ADAT 3-24 out > Paris CH 8
>
> Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #2 bussing to Paris Submix 2 AND 3
>
> Cubase CH 24>RME 2 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 9
> Cubase CH 25>RME 2 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 10
> Cubase CH 26>RME 2 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 11
> Cubase CH 27>RME 2 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 12
> Cubase CH 28>RME 2 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 13
> Cubase CH 29>RME 2 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 14
> Cubase CH 30>RME 2 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 15
> Cubase CH 31>RME 2 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 16
>
> Paris Submix #3
>
> Cubase CH 32>RME 2 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 1
> Cubase CH 33>RME 2 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 2
> Cubase CH 34>RME 2 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 3
> Cubase CH 35>RME 2 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 4
> Cubase CH 36>RME 2 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 5
> Cubase CH 37>RME 2 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 6
> Cubase CH 38>RME 2 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 7
> Cubase CH 39>RME 2 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 8
>
> RME HDSP 9652 Card #2/ADAT 17 thru 24 bussing to Paris Submix 3, Aux 1-4
> interfaced with ADAT card #2, MEC #3
>
> Cubase Stereo Group 2 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1L
> Cubase Stereo Group 2 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1R
> Cubase Stereo Group 3 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2L
> Cubase Stereo Group 3 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2R
> Cubase Stereo Group 4 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 3L
> Cubase Stereo Group 4 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
> Cubase Stereo Group 5 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4L
> Cubase Stereo Group 5 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-24 -out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
>
> RME Multiface ADAT 1 thru 8 bussing to Paris Submix 4, Aux 1-4 interfaced
> with ADAT card #1, MEC #4
>
> Cubase Stereo Group 6 L> Multiface ADAT1 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1L
> Cubase Stereo Group 6 R> Multiface ADAT2 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1R
> Cubase Stereo Group 7 L> Multiface ADAT3 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2L
> Cubase Stereo Group 7 R> Multiface ADAT4 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2R
> Cubase Stereo Group 8 L> Multiface ADAT5 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3L
> Cubase Stereo Group 8 R> Multiface ADAT6 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3R
> Cubase Stereo Group 9 L> Multiface ADAT7 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4L
> Cubase Stereo Group 9 R> Multiface ADAT8 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4R
>
> Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #1 bussing to Paris Submix 1 and 2
>
> Cubase CH 1>RME 1 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 1
> Cubase CH 2>RME 1 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 2
> Cubase CH 3>RME 1 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 3
> Cubase CH 4>RME 1 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 4
> Cubase CH 5>RME 1 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 5
> Cubase CH 6>RME 1 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 6
> Cubase CH 7>RME 1 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 7
> Cubase CH 8>RME 1 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 8
> Cubase CH 9>RME 1 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 9
> Cubase CH 10>RME 1 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 10
> Cubase CH 11>RME 1 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 11
> Cubase CH 12>RME 1 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 12
> Cubase CH 13>RME 1 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 13
> Cubase CH 14>RME 1 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 14
> Cubase ST CH 15L/ Stereo Group L> RME 1 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 15
> Cubase ST CH 15R/ Stereo Group R> RME 1 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 16
>
> Paris Submix #2
>
> Cubase CH 16>RME 1 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris CH 1
> Cubase CH 17>RME 1 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris CH 2
> Cubase CH 18>RME 1 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris CH 3
> Cubase CH 19>RME 1 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris CH 4
> Cubase CH 20>RME 1 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris CH 5
> Cubase CH 21>RME 1 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris CH 6
> Cubase CH 22>RME 1 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris CH 7
> Cubase CH 23>RME 1 ADAT 3-24 out > Paris CH 8
>
> Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #2 bussing to Paris Submix 2 AND 3
>
> Cubase CH 24>RME 2 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 9
> Cubase CH 25>RME 2 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 10
> Cubase CH 26>RME 2 ADAT 1-3 out > Paris CH 11
> Cubase CH 27>RME 2 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 12
> Cubase CH 28>RME 2 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 13
> Cubase CH 29>RME 2 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 14
> Cubase CH 30>RME 2 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 15
> Cubase CH 31>RME 2 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 16
>
> Paris Submix #3
>
> Cubase CH 32>RME 2 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 1
> Cubase CH 33>RME 2 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 2
> Cubase CH 34>RME 2 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 3
> Cubase CH 35>RME 2 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 4
> Cubase CH 36>RME 2 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 5
> Cubase CH 37>RME 2 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 6
> Cubase CH 38>RME 2 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris CH 7
> Cubase CH 39>RME 2 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris CH 8
>
> RME HDSP 9652 Card #2/ADAT 17 thru 24 bussing to Paris Submix 3, Aux 1-4
> interfaced with ADAT card #2, MEC #3
>
> Cubase Stereo Group 2 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1L
> Cubase Stereo Group 2 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 1R
> Cubase Stereo Group 3 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2L
> Cubase Stereo Group 3 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 2R
> Cubase Stereo Group 4 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 3L
> Cubase Stereo Group 4 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
> Cubase Stereo Group 5 L> RME 3 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4L
> Cubase Stereo Group 5 R> RME 3 ADAT 3-24 -out > Paris Submix 3 Aux 4R
>
> RME Multiface ADAT 1 thru 8 bussing to Paris Submix 4, Aux 1-4 interfaced
> with ADAT card #1, MEC #4
>
> Cubase Stereo Group 6 L> Multiface ADAT1 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1L
> Cubase Stereo Group 6 R> Multiface ADAT2 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 1R
> Cubase Stereo Group 7 L> Multiface ADAT3 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2L
> Cubase Stereo Group 7 R> Multiface ADAT4 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 2R
> Cubase Stereo Group 8 L> Multiface ADAT5 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3L
> Cubase Stereo Group 8 R> Multiface ADAT6 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 3R
> Cubase Stereo Group 9 L> Multiface ADAT7 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4L
> Cubase Stereo Group 9 R> Multiface ADAT8 out > Paris Submix 4 Aux 4R
>
> The Paris project is set to Live Mix mode. this essentially gives me 38
mono
> tracks and a stereo track streaming from Cubase to Paris which is set to
> Live Mix mode during mixdown. It also allows me to apply VST FX in cubase
SX
> over 8 x Paris aux busses.
>
> Now.......aren't you sorry you asked?
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote in message
> news:44f64a59@linux...
> > Could you expand on lightpipe and Paris? I am not sure I understand.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Erick Kent
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:44f64365$1@linux...
> > > Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to
Paris
> > > for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
> > >
> > > So LaMont,
> > >
> > > You're processing the tracks in Nuendo, then once you feel like you've
> got
> > > what you want, you render those tracks as contiguous files and then
> import
> > > them to Paris and mix there rather than just streaming them via
> lightpipe
> > > from the Nuendo DAW to the Paris DAW?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Deej
> > >
> > > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:44f5e3df$1@linux...
> > >>
> > >> For me, I like to track & edit in Nuendo, THEN (smile) depending on
the
> > > music
> > >> style, mix in Paris or Pro Tools..With Paris being my favorite. BUT,
> > > Pro-Tools
> > >> (7.1) has a very nice high-end sound quality that's makes mixing very
> > > easy..
> > >>
> > >> All that being said, Nuendo/SX 's Editing & worksflow is in a league
of
> > > their
> > >> own. So, flexible, easy, yet very intuitive and powerful.
> > >> Once I've made all my edits and bouces in Nuendo, then it's off to
> Paris
> > >> for mixing...Then to Samplitde for final premastering..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Erick Kent" <erick at thefollower.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >I was thinking about getting another piece of software for mixing, =
> > >> >something that handles midi better and doesn't "flake out" as much
> using
> > >> =
> > >> >DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris, will anything be lost as
far
> =
> > >> >as the Paris sound goes?
> > >> >
> > >> >Any suggestions on what software to get?
> > >> >
> > >> >Any reason not to go this route?
> > >> >
> > >> >Also, will the ASIO drivers allow me to track using Paris hardware
> from
> > >> =
> > >> >another app, for punching in and such?
> > >> >
> > >> >Thanks,
> > >> >
> > >> >--=20
> > >> >Erick Kent
> > >> >
> > >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > >> ><HTML><HEAD>
> > >> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> > >> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> > >> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=3DGENERATOR>
> > >> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> > >> ></HEAD>
> > >> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I was thinking about
> getting
> > >> =
> > >> >another=20
> > >> >piece of software for mixing, something that handles midi better and
=
> > >> >doesn't=20
> > >> >"flake out" as much using DirectX plugs. If I still track in Paris,
> will
> > >> =
> > >> >
> > >> >anything be lost as far as the Paris sound goes?<BR></FONT></DIV>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any suggestions on what =
> > >> >software to=20
> > >> >get?</FONT></DIV>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Any reason not to go
> this=20
> > >> >route?</FONT></DIV>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Also, will the ASIO
drivers
> =
> > >> >allow me to=20
> > >> >track using Paris hardware from another app, for punching in and=20
> > >> >such?</FONT></DIV>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks,</DIV></FONT>
> > >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>Erick=20
> > >> >Kent</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>i'm guessing france
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:16:40 -0300, "Rob Arsenault"
<mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>Welcome aboard Damien, I'm sure you'll have a blast with Paris. Where are
>you from?
>
>
>
>
>"Damien Gelée" <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
>news:44f5e139@linux...
>> Hello,
>>
>> i'm waiting for my first paris (such a strange idee in 2006...), and study
>> the docs.
>>
>> i wonder if it's usable when using virtual mixes as subgroups : working
>on
>> one submix, swap on an other so on , and mixdown with the master mixer....
>> with only one EDS.
>> Is it long to set a mix from EDS to virtual and update it ?
>>
>> does most paris user have succesfully migrate to XP ?
>>
>> thanks
>>
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Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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> going to kick me out are you??? ;-)
>
> The plan is to knock the Paris rig in the main studio down to a 2 card, 2
> MEC system, and roll it back to ME for ease of adat I/O. The Nuendo
> machine will end up with the Magma for the two 95652 cards and the UAD's.
> The HD rig will have 48 analog in (plus digital) and 24+ analog and
> digital outs. The whole mess will be tied into the DM2K and I will be able
> to route anything to anything... very DJ-esque, don't you think? ;-) The
> DM also has a remote layer for ProTools, so I should be able to toggle
> between controlling Nunedo and Protools on the same session. One I get it
> running, I'll post up some info on routing. I shouldn't have to turn away
> anything work-wise by the time it's done.
>
> The remaining Bundle III's (5 of them) will be spread around the facility,
> keeping some stuff for spares.
>
> Paris ain't goin' anywhere here!
>
> David.
>
> Chas. Duncan wrote:
>> Good luck with that, young man...
>>
>> And: will the last person to leave the Paris Forum kindly turn off the
>> lights?
>>
>> chas.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:22:05 -0600, EK Sound <
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| Re: Share your Mixing room Freq response graph - room.gif (1/1) [message #70646 is a reply to message #70630] |
Fri, 28 July 2006 11:24 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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ing about... hey, wait a minute... you
>folks aren't going to kick me out are you??? ;-)
>
>The plan is to knock the Paris rig in the main studio down
>to a 2 card, 2 MEC system, and roll it back to ME for ease
>of adat I/O. The Nuendo machine will end up with the Magma
>for the two 95652 cards and the UAD's. The HD rig will have
>48 analog in (plus digital) and 24+ analog and digital outs.
> The whole mess will be tied into the DM2K and I will be
>able to route anything to anything... very DJ-esque, don't
>you think? ;-) The DM also has a remote layer for ProTools,
>so I should be able to toggle between controlling Nunedo and
>Protools on the same session. One I get it running, I'll
>post up some info on routing. I shouldn't have to turn away
>anything work-wise by the time it's done.
>
>The remaining Bundle III's (5 of them) will be spread around
>the facility, keeping some stuff for spares.
>
>Paris ain't goin' anywhere here!
>
>David.
>
>Chas. Duncan wrote:
>> Good luck with that, young man...
>>
>> And: will the last person to leave the Paris Forum kindly turn off the
>> lights?
>>
>> chas.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:22:05 -0600, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>After years of turning away work and trying to convince clients that
>>>we can still do great work without certain tools, we have finally caved.
>>>
>>>We just
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