| Considering selling 6000. [message #83632] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 06:41  |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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ot; <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>>>I agree wholeheartedly with Chuck. VMWare is probably the best option
>in
>>>terms
>>>>of features and quality, it works with damn near anything. If they made
>>>a
>>>>deb
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| Re: Considering selling 6000. [message #83642 is a reply to message #83632] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 08:47  |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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e being able to integrate everything on one machine for mixing.
>There *is* a learning curve, but it's a fun one (for me). I still use the
>Neve 5042. I think I would not like the sound of Cubase 4 *for my purposes*,
>without it.
>
>I think Paris sounds better right out of the box. Without a monster computer
>and a tape emulator, native doesn't = Paris, IMO. With these items, it can,
>and does. Cost wise, the more I/O, the greater the cost differential between
>the two systems. To recreate my native system with as many I/O as my Paris
>system had (as it will be in about 2 weeks), plus the ability to operate
at
>the same low latencies as Paris you would need:
>
>3 x RME HDSP 9652's and 1 RME Multiface (2 of the HDSP's in the master
>computer, the other in a slave box for streaming VSTi's to the master
>box)-Appx $1800.00 street
>1 x 13 slot Magma for the HDSP's in the Master box-appx $500.00 street
>1 computer running an Opteron 185 CPU-could be built for around $1200.00
>from scratch
>1 computer running 2 x Opteron 2218 CPU's on a server system-could be built
>for around $2500.00 from scratch
>2 x RME ADI8-DS's-Street on two of these these is around $2400.00 ($1.2k
a
>piece average)
>1 RME ADI4-DD-street is around $600.00
>1 x Mytek Stereo 96 A/D-Street at $800.00
>1 x Mytek Stereo 96 D/A-Street at $800.00
>Lucid GenX6-Street at appx $400.00-to distribute WC from Mytek AD which
is
>used as a master clock
>Neve 5042-$1650.00 (to get Parislike sound)
>Furman HDS-16 cue system to cross RME HDSP submixes when tracking - $1500.00
>(or an HDSP MADI system plus an HDSP AES 16 plus BOB-instead of using the
>Multiface and 2 x HDSP 95652's-add another $2400.00 for this - there is
also
>a Friend-chip audio digitap patchbay that will accommodate some of this
>crosscard routing for around $2k as another option. None of these options
>are cheap.
>Now add another Magma and 4 x UAD-1 cards-$2000.00
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| Re: Considering selling 6000. [message #83673 is a reply to message #83642] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 18:10 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
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ounds to integrate
>>>> hardware and software with Paris, 44.1/48k sample rates and great sound
>>> once
>>>> you get it set up, I'd stay with Paris. You could buy a lot of nice
>>> hardware
>>>> processors to integrate with Paris with the extra money you would save
> by
>>>> staying away from native.
>>>>
>>>> To go native, you're going to spend a lot more, especially when it
>>>> comes
>>> to
>>>> a computer to run the system, but from an integration/workflow
>>>> standpoint,
>>>> you're going to have fewer workarounds, but not eliminate them
>>>> completely
>>>> unless you go with the horsepower that is available to a dual quad Mac
>>>> running Logic or Digital Performer. If you go with a Mac and the
>>>> hardware
>>> I
>>>> have described, then add another 3500.00 - 4 K to the price of the
>>>> native
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Things are getting ready to change pretty drastically in the near
>>>> future
>>>> too, but for now, this is what you've got to work with if you want a
> 24
>>>> analog I/O with an additional 20 digital I/O native system that will
>>> achieve
>>>> the same performance level as Paris.
>>>>
>>>> Deej
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>>>> Deej.
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>>>> Now for the native system, add 4 x UAD-1's and another 13 slot Magma
> to
>>> hold
>>>> them and for the Paris system, whatever hardware and software you think
>>>> would give you the same mojo. With Paris, you would have to alocate
>>>> your
>>>> hardware, *per submix*, with native, you would have it avaliable for
> the
>>>> whole system.
>>>>
>>>> Much less to deal with by way of workarounds with Native. Much more
>>>> expensive to get the same kind of sound.
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> I'm finding that without the benefit of a monster computer, I see no
>>> point
>>>> in going native
>>>> "Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:464b480a$1@linux...
>>>> >
>>>> > I saw you had a few issues (Hard drive Raid issues etc...) awhile
>>>> > back,
>>>> > but
>>>> > are you happy with the new system. Are you glad you moved? How
> bad
>>> was
>>>> > the learning curve - any good books / DVD's etc. that helped?
>>>> >
>>>> > What is the setup that you settled on and are you still using the
>>> portico
>>>> > across the mains ...
>>>> >
>>>> > I have Cubase SX 3 (Don N. helped me connetct it with Paris at one
>>> point)
>>>> > - but I still always find myself back with Paris as it's so easy
> to
>>>> > track
>>>> > in and mix in. Lack of time due to f
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