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s on American soil ever in U.S. history."--Aaron Broussard,
> president,
> Jefferson Parish, La., Meet the Press, NBC, Sept. 4, 2005
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> REALITY: Bumbling by top disaster-management officials fueled a perception
> of general inaction, one that was compounded by impassioned news anchors.
> In fact, the response to Hurricane Kat
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| Re: Is this any good? [message #92956 is a reply to message #92951] |
Wed, 21 November 2007 16:13  |
Aaron Allen
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>> REALITY: Bumbling by top disaster-management officials fueled a perception
>> of general inaction, one that was compounded by impassioned news anchors.
>> In fact, the response to Hurricane Katrina was by far the largest--and
>> fastest-rescue
>> effort in U.S. history, with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving
>> on the scene within three days of the storm's landfall.
>I don't know who is planning to sue and for what. But we DID have a real
national disaster down in Nawlins, at or near the top as disasters go
for the USA, and the ball was dropped over and over again before, during
and after.
There is plenty of blame to go around at every step. Plenty of points of
failure. Finding blame in one place won't excuse other places from
blame. For example, you can't excuse the poor reaction of the federal
government by blaming local government, nor can you excuse unprepared
people by blaming the federal government. It's not so simple that you
can wave a vague accusation in any one direction to make it all go away.
I have no doubt there are legitimate lawsuits to be filed. I have no
doubt frivolous lawsuits will also be filed. And for the latter, more
blame is due. But any legit cases cannot be dismissed just because of
the frivolous ones.
Like the physical cleanup itself, the legal cleanup will be another
complex mess that has to be picked through piece by piece.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Justice? 3 quad isn't justice, it's spiteful vengeance.
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| Re: Is this any good? [message #92959 is a reply to message #92956] |
Wed, 21 November 2007 22:43 |
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never survive a real national disaster where the
> whole economic, communications and/or transportation system collapsed.
>
> "mike r" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:47880f7f$1@linux...
>>
>> Ridiculous numbers, yeah, probably in some cases. And, yeah, lawyers must
>> have swarmed to the occasion. And oh yeah, Katrina was one hell of an Act
>> of God. However, while I don't have a strong set of data or facts to rely
>> on, I think the debacles at the convention center and superdome are facts
>> enough: lots of folks, state and federal, screwed up. Other than
>> lawsuits,
>> I'm not sure what other ways folks can pursue justice.
>> MR
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_re_us/katrina_floo d_lawsuits
>>>
>>> The ultimate in lawsuit insanity.
>>>
>>> The people of the US should sue these individuals and their lawyers for
>> the
>>> cost of our tax dollars wasted in these ridiculous lawsuits. That
>>> amount
>>> alone could likely have built them all nice homes wherever they want to
>>> live.
>>>
>>
>I haven't researched it fully yet, but based on that article - that's the
sum total of 247 plaintiffs filing for $1B, and one for $1 Quadrillion.
There are 489,000 total lawsuits, but they will be marred by the 248 or so
that are beyond reality. Legitimate cases may very well get lost in the
noise of greed of these 248. The public outcry over the amounts will surely
put the complete legal basis for the suits into question. Not really a
smart move - jeopardizing 489,000 for the sake of 1 (plus 247).
I am guessing they would have to prove that the actions, or inaction of
government at the local level (if not a defendant) did nothing to hinder or
delay the response of the federal government, and the federal government was
in fact directly responsible for suffering of these people either by lack of
enacting guaranteed services, or by knowingly causing harm - that's a hard
sell in any court imho. Since the Army Corps of Engineers has already been
found to be in the clear (the levees would have been useless in a direct
hit), these people may have a really hard time proving their case. Suing
anyone over the aftermath of a natural disaster, that is in itself a
complete unknown with no guarantees, is suspect at best.
If this were to win at any level, then the door would be open for people to
sue the Coast Guard for not rescuing an overturned vessel's crew fast
enough. It will in all likelihood instigate a move for people living in
disaster prone areas to sign a federal and state document absolving the
government of responsibility for such a habitation choice. Since people
have made it about a ridiculous
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| Re: Is this any good? [message #92960 is a reply to message #92959] |
Wed, 21 November 2007 22:49 |
Aaron Allen
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amount of money, now the various authorities
will have to protect themselves - same as McDonald's "Coffee may be hot"
warning on a the side of a cup of coffee that one would be irate if it were
not actually hot.
Dedric
On 1/11/08 9:07 PM, in article 47883db0@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know who is planning to sue and for what. But we DID have a real
> national disaster down in Nawlins, at or near the top as disasters go
> for the USA, and the ball was dropped over and over again before, during
> and after.
>
> There is plenty of blame to go around at every step. Plenty of points of
> failure. Finding blame in one place won't excuse other places from
> blame. For example, you can't excuse the poor reaction of the federal
> government by blaming local government, nor can you excuse unprepared
> people by blaming the federal government. It's not so simple that you
> can wave a vague accusation in any one direction to make it all go away.
>
> I have no doubt there are legitimate lawsuits to be filed. I have no
> doubt frivolous lawsuits will also be filed. And for the latter, more
> blame is due. But any legit cases cannot be dismissed just because of
> the frivolous ones.
>
> Like the physical cleanup itself, the legal cleanup will be another
> complex mess that has to be picked through piece by piece.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Justice? 3 quad isn't justice, it's spiteful vengeance.
>>
>> There is a lot that happens in life that isn't fair and no human being
>> has any control over.
>> We can't sue everytime there isn't someone there to make everything okay
>> for us. Sure, there were bad situations, in New Orleans but there have
>> been a lot of similar or worse situations in smaller scales that no one
>> even blinks an eye at, or files a lawsuit for.
>> People like this would never survive a real national disaster where the
>> whole economic, communications and/or transportation system collapsed.
>>
>> "mike r" <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:47880f7f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Ridiculous numbers, yeah, probably in some cases. And, yeah, lawyers must
>>> have swarmed to the occasion. And oh yeah, Katrina was one hell of an Act
>>> of God. However, while I don't have a strong set of data or facts to rely
>>> on, I think the debacles at the convention center and superdome are facts
>>> enough: lots of folks, state and federal, screwed up. Other than
>>> lawsuits,
>>> I'm not sure what other ways folks can pursue justice.
>>> MR
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_re_us/katrina_floo d_lawsuits
>>>>
>>>> The ultimate in lawsuit insanity.
>>>>
>>>> The people of the US should sue these individuals and their lawyers for
>>> the
>>>> cost of our tax dollars wasted in these ridiculous lawsuits. That
>>>> amount
>>>> alone could likely have built them all nice homes wherever they want to
>>>> live.
>>>>
>>>
>>On 12/1/08 12:53 PM, in article 47880f7f$1@linux, "mike r"
<emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ridiculous numbers, yeah, probably in some cases. And, yeah, lawyers must
> have swarmed to the occasion. And oh yeah, Katrina was one hell of an Act
> of God. However, while I don't have a strong set of data or facts to rely
> on, I think the debacles at the convention center and superdome are facts
> enough: lots of folks, state and federal, screwed up. Other than lawsuits,
> I'm not sure what other ways folks can pursue justice.
> MR
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080109/ap_on_re_us/katrina_floo d_lawsuits
>>
>> The ultimate in lawsuit insanity.
>>
>> The people of the US should sue these individuals and their lawyers for
> the
>> cost of our tax dollars wasted in these ridiculous lawsuits. That amount
>> alone could likely have built them all nice homes wherever they want to
>> live.
>>
>
This is all very boring guys, for us non US types.
Martin Hfrom my notes at www.kfocus.com/paris under setup/motherboards
A bit hard to find these days, and a bit "old school", but they are still
out there.
Gigabyte K8NS Ultra 939. Works like a charm with XP and 4 EDS cards, and
two dual-head Nvidia VGA's.
I Highly recommend it. No problems with IRQ's etc, just plug in
all cards, and install XP. Easy.
and
Subject: Re: BTW: Paris XP, K8NS ultra939...any pitfalls??..IT SEEMS
NOT! (yet..
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| Re: Is this any good? [message #92961 is a reply to message #92960] |
Thu, 22 November 2007 00:49 |
dc[3]
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Date: 13 Jul 2006 22:02:56 +1000
From: "Kim W."
Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
Hi, John.
No sound card, as all slots are full.
For any multimedia sound, I use the spdif out into my old Sony
DAT recorder.
The first two slots have the Nvidia Quadro dual heads.
(Obviously the first slot being the AGP, and the PCI version is
next to it.)
The other four PCI slots (The K8NS ultra 939 has five), have
my four EDS 1000 cards.
As mentioned, I disabled SATA, as I don't use it, and also the
parallel and game ports.
Firewire is active, so if I need to I can hook up my Maudio
Firewire Audiophile. (The K8NS has the Texas Instruments 1394
chipset, which is cool!).
RAM is generic 768mb DDR in DDR slots 1&3. (Dual channel would be
better ofcourse, but I used what I had in my old comp.)
Drives are Western Digital 2500JB (boot) and whatever else I have in my removeable
caddies (Mainly WD's), for audio. I use the boot
drive as backup storage for works in progress.
Nice and quick, as the two are on seperate IDE channels.
One thing I did initially during windows install, was to use a
single Nvidia MX400 geforce graphics card. After a flawless setup,
I then installed both Quadras with drivers, then the EDS's.
Yes, and I HAVE imaged every step of the way.
(Haven't had to roll-back yet.)
BTW John,
In case you were referring to my actual Paris.cfg when you
asked about my final config, here is a cut/paste:
***************************
*** PARIS Configuration ***
***************************
*** ENGINE configuration parameters ***
* Cache Size in MB
CacheSize=40
* Overview cache size in KB
OvwCacheSize=8192
* I/O configuration
IOSize=96
* SubMix Cache Size in KB
SubMixCacheSize=256
ManualRecDelay=8192
RecXFadeLen=20
Use32BitWinMTC=0
DisableDirectX=0
MIDIPlayDisabled=1
MasterOutputCard=0
ScrubMaxRate=1
WheelSensitivity=20
WheelInertia=68
CSProVersion=EFGH
VSTDirectory=C:\Program Files\E-MU\PARIS Pro\Vstplugins\Dedric Terry wrote:
> I haven't researched it fully yet, but based on that article - that's the
> sum total of 247 plaintiffs filing for $1B, and one for $1 Quadrillion.
> There are 489,000 total lawsuits, but they will be marred by the 248 or so
> that are beyond reality. Legitimate cases may very well get lost in the
> noise of greed of these 248. The public outcry over the amounts will surely
> put the complete legal basis for the suits into question. Not really a
> smart move - jeopardizing 489,000 for the sake of 1 (plus 247).
I'm gonna disagree about that. One lawsuit doesn't mar another, legally
speaking. The courts will sort it out. That's their job.
The only marring is in the court of public opinion, where those folks
who desperately want to believe revisionist history (slanted in whatever
direction that takes) will glom onto whatever seems to support their
preselected notion of what happened, and ignore the rest.
> I am guessing they would have to prove that the actions, or inaction of
> government at the local level (if not a defendant) did nothing to hinder or
> delay the response of the federal government, and the federal government was
> in fact directly responsible for suffering of these people either by lack of
> enacting guaranteed services, or by knowingly causing harm - that's a hard
> sell in any court imho. Since the Army Corps of Engineers has already been
> found to be in the clear (the levees would have been useless in a direct
> hit), these people may have a really hard time proving their case. Suing
> anyone over the aftermath of a natural disaster, that is in itself a
> complete unknown with no guarantees, is suspect at best.
I don't know the details of any of the lawsuits but you could be right.
It may be the net result of such lawsuits would only be to bring more
evidence into view rather than to trigger any large payouts. Evidence
which may help with planning for the next disaster.
> If this were to win at any level, then the door would be open for people to
> sue the Coast Guard for not rescuing an overturned vessel's crew fast
> enough.
IANAL but I think there is general government immunity for that sort of
thing. But any cases of actual gross incompetence or dereliction ought
to at least be examined and learned from, if they happen.
> It will in all likelihood instigate a move for people living in
> disaster prone areas to sign a federal and state document absolving the
> government of responsibility for such a habitation choice.
If that's true, the fed and state govs would be smart to get that
signature from everyone. There is no risk free place.
> Since people
> have made it about a ridiculous amount of money, now the various authorities
> will have to protect themselves - same as McDonald's "Coffee may be hot"
> warning on a the side of a cup of coffee that one would be irate if it were
> not actually hot.
We'll see. Can I get you some luke-warm coffee, in the padded sippie
cup? :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Dedric
>
> On 1/11/08 9:07 PM, in article 47883db0@linux, "Jamie K"
> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know who is planning to sue and for what. But we DID have a real
>> national disaster down in Nawlins, at or near the top as disasters go
>> for the USA, and the ball was dropped over and over again before, during
>> and after.
>>
>> There is plenty of blame to go around at every step. Plenty of points of
>> failure. Finding blame in one place won't excuse other places from
>> blame. For example, you can't excuse the poor reaction of the federal
>> government by blaming local government, nor can you excuse unprepared
>> people by blaming the federal government. It's not so simple that you
>> can wave a vague accusation in any one direction to make it all go away.
>>
>> I have no doubt there are legitimate lawsuits to be filed. I have no
>> doubt frivolous lawsuits will also be filed. And for the latter, more
>> blame is due. But any legit cases cannot be dismissed just because of
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Thu, 22 November 2007 01:30 |
Erling
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tion-crazed society, and that speaks
to a lack
of personal ethics, responsibility in general, simply confirmed at least in
one case of a zeros-happy
plaintiff. If these people win even far lesser awards, they will be far
better off than they were.
And the lesson here?....if life deals you a bad lemon, sue, and you could
get a Rolls Royce in return.
So why work hard, carry your own load, and help those around you? Just look
for an excuse to take the easy road -
the one through "the system".
Not a good model for building a sense of community where we wouldn't even
really need the government
to step in and carry the load for disaster aid (but it is there, and more
effective than it was, just in case) - in fact, usually volunteer agencies,
Red Cross, etc do a significant portion of the aftermath aid in those
situations. I've been on a few tornado cleanup
crews back east - it's pretty amazing how high average people will rise to
such an occasion, but that never
makes the news, because it's the boring, basic, truth - no scandel, no hype,
just people living like
caring human beings. I vote for more of that and fewer lawsuits and news
hype in general.
> I vote for a new laptop for Jamie! :^) And it would be nice if NAMM
> brings more MIDI/USB keyboard controller choices...
I vote for that as well. ;-))
Regards,
Dedric
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> DedricDedric Terry wrote:
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478936af@linux...
>> No, what I mean is that people like you and me and everyone else who
>> sits in armchair judgment of events like this will take what we hear
>> and filter it through our own confirmation biases.
>
> But it's pretty easy to put 3 quadrillion and lawsuit together and reach
> a rather
> objective conclusion, and that was my whole point, not judging each of
> the 489,000
> others. :-)
OK.
A number like that sounds to me like an attempt to get publicity.
> And, you have to admit, we are a litigation-crazed society, and that
> speaks to a lack
> of personal ethics, responsibility in general, simply confirmed at least
> in one case of a zeros-happy
> plaintiff. If these people win even far lesser awards, they will be far
> better off than they were.
"Litigation crazed" - what's a normal level?
I agree that ethics and responsibility could be improved, in general, in
our fine society.
So consider this: better ethics and responsibility might have improved
the government's performance in all phases of planning, preparation and
response. Now, after the fact, it's possible that specific lawsuits
addressing the failures might improve the ethics and responsibility of
government in the future. Just to shine your light in a different direction.
> And the lesson here?....if life deals you a bad lemon, sue, and you
> could get a Rolls Royce in return.
That could be the motivation for some folks.
> So why work hard, carry your own load, and help those around you? Just
> look for an excuse to take the easy road -
> the one through "the system".
Nah, too much work. ;^)
> Not a good model for building a sense of community where we wouldn't
> even really need the government
> to step in and carry the load for disaster aid (but it is there, and
> more effective than it was, just in case) - in fact, usually volunteer
> agencies, Red Cross, etc do a significant portion of the aftermath aid
> in those situations. I've been on a few tornado cleanup
> crews back east - it's pretty amazing how high average people will rise
> to such an occasion, but that never
> makes the news, because it's the boring, basic, truth - no scandel, no
> hype, just people living like
> caring human beings. I vote for more of that and fewer lawsuits and
> news hype in general.
It does make the news, I've seen stories about volunteer efforts in
disasters. I specifically remember stories about that after Katrina.
Kudos to all involved in those efforts.
But in general I think you're right about fewer lawsuits being better
because it would indicate people being more responsible on all ends of
the equation, and people getting along better.
Sense of community: Yes. I don't think this idea necessarily excludes
government since good government flows from a sense of community, being
inclusive of the entire community. But it doesn't have to always include
government, people can organize in many ways.
News hype is an interesting topic in and of itself. Many of the same
people who complain about "the media" being biased actively seek out
blatantly non-objective sources of news and commentary to reassure their
own confirmation biases. It's ironic.
>> I vote for a new laptop for Jamie! :^) And it would be nice if NAMM
>> brings more MIDI/USB keyboard controller choices...
>
> I vote for that as well. ;-))
Woo! :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> Dedric
>You are spot on. Our educational system started to decline in the late
'60s and has never recovered
In analyzing a changing trend in a statistic, such as the decline in the
quality of the US school system, what you must do is look just BEFORE
the change occurred to find what caused it. What changed in the US
school system that has caused the drastic reduction in results?
Discuss please...
Deej wrote:
> Perhaps we should be paying attention to what has happened to our educational
> system relative to the rest of the world over the last 40 years?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMcfrLYDm2U
>
>On 1/12/08 4:50 PM, in article 478952da$1@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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> "Litigation crazed" - what's a normal level?
>
Ah, the devil's advocate argument - if there's an opinion, there's a
rebuttal eh? ;-))
> I agree that ethics and responsibility could be improved, in general, in
> our fine society.
>
> So consider this: better ethics and responsibility might have improved
> the government's performance in all phases of planning, preparation and
> response. Now, after the fact, it's possible that specific lawsuits
> addressing the failures might improve the ethics and responsibility of
> government in the future. Just to shine your light in a different direction.
>
I never said I wasn't implying both citizens and the government as an
entity. :-) But consider this...people make up government. It is not a
separate entity of beings called "them" or "they" that reside in a different
dimension playing by different laws of physics and at constant odds with the
beings in this dimension known as our country. Better ethics,
respo
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Thu, 22 November 2007 05:09 |
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ing topic in and of itself. Many of the same
> people who complain about "the media" being biased actively seek out
> blatantly non-objective sources of news and commentary to reassure their
> own confirmation biases. It's ironic.
>
Sure, but how does that apply to our roles in this conversation? A
generalization perhaps? But isn't that an assumption made without really
knowing both sides of the equation, or any individual's thought process?
The same concept applies as above - better ethics, responsibility,
integrity, honesty, etc... there are people working in the news industry as
well, most with at least some power to decide how to report a story.
Dedric
I'm guessing Korg might be building a new keyboard line on the M3 - since
that's basically what some of their website lit says. Don't know if we'll
see any derivatives at NAMM, but it's possible.
>
>>> I vote for a new laptop for Jamie! :^) And it would be nice if NAMM
>>> brings more MIDI/USB keyboard controller choices...
>>
>> I vote for that as well. ;-))
>
> Woo! :^)
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>What changed in the US
>school system that has caused the drastic reduction in results?
>
>Discuss please...
Ummm... I entered said school system & singlehandedly brought
the entire bell curve down?
:DI'm guessing drugs had something to do with it.
"Deej" <nowayjose@nada.net> wrote in message news:47891954$1@linux...
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> Perhaps we should be paying attention to what has happened to our
> educational
> system relative to the rest of the world over the last 40 years?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMcfrLYDm2U
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
> On 1/12/08 4:50 PM, in article 478952da$1@linux, "Jamie K"
> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>> "Litigation crazed" - what's a normal level?
>>
> Ah, the devil's advocate argument - if there's an opinion, there's a
> rebuttal eh? ;-))
No, you're completely wrong about that. ;^)
But actually, the idea of how much litigation is the right amount is an
interesting question. I'd say zero, ideally, but to get there we need
some improvements in behaviors that may take litigation to accomplish... :^)
>> I agree that ethics and responsibility could be improved, in general, in
>> our fine society.
>>
>> So consider this: better ethics and responsibility might have improved
>> the government's performance in all phases of planning, preparation and
>> response. Now, after the fact, it's possible that specific lawsuits
>> addressing the failures might improve the ethics and responsibility of
>> government in the future. Just to shine your light in a different direction.
>>
> I never said I wasn't impl
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Thu, 22 November 2007 11:11 |
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oom, he shouted to me, 'What
> setting do I use on the washing machine?'
>
> 'It depends,' I replied. 'What does it say on your shirt?'
>
> He yelled back, ' University of Oklahoma ..'
>
> And they say blondes are dumb...
>
> _____________________________________________________
> A couple is lying in bed. The man says, 'I am going to make you the
> happiest
> woman in the world.'
>
> The woman replies, 'I'll miss you...WHERE DID THE WHITE MAN GO WRONG?
Indian Chief, "Two Eagles," was asked by a white government official,
"You have observed the white man for 90 years.
You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his
progress, and the damage he's done."
The Chief nodded in agreement.
The official continued, "Considering all these events, in your
opinion, where did the white man go wrong?"
The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then
calmly replied. "When white man find land, Indians running it. No
taxes, No debt, Plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, Clean Water; women did
all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and
fishing; all night having sex."
Then the chief leaned back and smiled. "Only white man dumb enough
think he improve system like that."Sarah is going to love this one.
Why do SOME guys like women with big tits and tight pussys? Because some
guys have big mouths and small dicks.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Well, predictably, that made me laugh pretty hard. Thanks dude. :)
>
>S
>
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47899c10$1@linux...
>>
>> ......from an email I received from my cousin's better half.
>>
>> Subject:
>> The Whys of Men
>>
>> The Why's of Men
>> 1. WHY DO MEN BECOME SMARTER DURING SEX?
>> (because they are plugged into a genius)
>>
>> 2. WHY DON'T WOMEN BLINK DURING SEX?
>> (they don't have enough time)
>>
>> 3. WHY DOES IT TAKE 1 MILLION SPERM TO FERTILIZE ONE EGG?
>> (they don't stop to ask directions)
>>
>> 4. WHY DO MEN SNORE WHEN THEY LIE ON THEIR BACKS?
>> (because their balls fall over their butt-hole and they vapor
>> lock)
>>
>> 5. WHY WERE MEN GIVEN LARGER BRAINS THAN DOGS?
>> (so they won't hump women's legs at cocktails parties)
>>
>> 6. WHY DID GOD MAKE MEN BEFORE WOMEN?
>> (you need a rough draft before you make a final copy)
>>
>> 7. HOW MANY MEN DOES IT TAKE TO PUT A TOILET SEAT DOWN?
>> (don't know.....it never happened)
>>
>> And the personal favorite:
>>
>> 8. WHY DID GOD PUT MEN ON EARTH?
>> (because a vibrator can't mow the lawn)
>> __________________________________________________________
>> One day my housework-challenged husband decided to wash his Sweat-shirt
>> Seconds after he stepped into the laundry room, he shouted to me, 'What
>> setting do I use on the washing machine?'
>>
>> 'It depends,' I replied. 'What does it say on your shirt?'
>>
>> He yelled back, ' University of Oklahoma ..'
>>
>> And they say blondes are dumb...
>>
>> _____________________________________________________
>> A couple is lying in bed. The man says, 'I am going to make you the
>> happiest
>> woman in the world.'
>>
>> The woman replies, 'I'll miss you...
>
>yup, a bunch of egotistical numbnuts. it astounds me the level of non
educated college graduates we're churning out...with pride.
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:29:11 -0800, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:
>I think you got it, Don. Psychologists pretending to know something decided
>that discipline and competion were harmful to children's mental health.
>
>S
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4789a15e$1@linux...
>>
>> Self esteem replaced achievement.
>>
>>
>but they're happy...afterall ignorance is bliss.
On 13 Jan 2008 14:09:17 +1000, "Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>You are spot on. Our educational system started to decline in the late
>>'60s and has never recovered
>>
>>In analyzing a changing trend in a statistic, such as the decline in the
>
>>quality of the US school system, what you must do is look just BEFORE
>>the change occurred to find what caused it. What changed in the US
>>school system that has caused the drastic reduction in results?
>>
>>Discuss please...
>
>Taking the emphasis off competition, pass/ fail grading and passing students
>
>along without them being able to accomplish the coursework."Ignoransk is blisk" - Popeye
S
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> but they're happy...afterall ignorance is bliss.
>
> On 13 Jan 2008 14:09:17 +1000, "Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>You are spot on. Our educational system started to decline in the late
>>>'60s and has never recovered
>>>
>>>In analyzing a changing trend in a statistic, such as the decline in the
>>
>>>quality of the US school system, what you must do is look just BEFORE
>>>the change occurred to find what caused it. What changed in the US
>>>school system that has caused the drastic reduction in results?
>>>
>>>Discuss please...
>>
>>Taking the emphasis off competition, pass/ fail grading and passing
>>students
>>
>>along without them being able to accomplish the coursework.
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>No shit, my man! The biggest problem this country faces today is not
>terrorism and it really never was. It may sound cold-hearted, but we
>only lost a few thousand people and some tall buildings. In the big
>picture that's fairly small potatoes. We lose that many every 4 days
>from mis-prescribed pharmaceuticals and every month in highway deaths.
>If we really want to save lives there ought to be "wars against" those
>mistakes.
>
>Our biggest problem right now is we are spending way more than we have,
>both individually and in the government. The dollar is crashing hard
>because the rest of the world now has an alternative in the Euro and
>they know our Fed Reserve just keeps on printing new dollars every time
>they feel like having an extra juicy profit. The citizens won't take the
>government to task for overspending because they are doing the same damn
>thing! Getting a new credit card is equivalent to the Fed printing up
>more money.
>
>We have to fix this, but the majority of candidates don't dare bring it
>up because it is sure to be poorly received by the electorate. Fox News
>was evidently afraid to have Ron Paul in the last debate because he was
>likely to shove his take-action-now fiscal viewpoint into the other
>candidates faces, and they wouldn't know what to say - they think the
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fieldwork in the 80's, all said schools
went to hell with dresscode demise '64 or so and bussing outside of
neighborhood & local accountabilities around '68. (early results)
Much earlier, my mother had been fired as a Milwaukee Public School
elementary teacher in 1948, for secretly continuing teaching phonic based
reading in class and publicly renouncing whole language as reading
instruction. Powerful interests at stake...no dissention tolerated. It
is/was deeper than most folks realize.
It was known back in the '50s that the results would not be realized during
the proponent's lifetimes. A smart, long, view
g
--
"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:478a81f8$1@linux...
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> >Deej, when I get some time I will work on that. Which points exactly?
> >
>
> Just some authoritative reference to the fact that this particular agenda
> was actually endorsed at a meeting of the APA. I couldn't find anything at
> all on this on Google or Snopes. Snopes it pretty good about investigating
> stuff like this, and they are very aggressive about debunking
sensationalist
> allegations. This is pretty sensational, to my thinking. Since I find
nothing
> on Snopes about it, either they aren't aware of it (not likely if it has
> been previously the subject of some major flamewar forum topics, which it
> seems likely to be able to create)or they were aware of it and couldn't
debunk
> it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>Be aware that Kim W, Deej and myself have all had these boards fail on us...
They work great... while they work. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"jim drago" <jamesd@prospectlk12.or.us> wrote:
>
>Thank you for your responses so far. I am now looking for a K8NS mobo. Next
>? What is a good processor with this mobo? What is a good video card, I'll
>be using 1 HP w2007 to start maybe add one l more later. Good PS. and good
>rack mountable case. Sorry for so many ?'s JimOn 14/1/08 5:47 AM, in article 478a4e9f$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.net>
wrote:
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> No shit, my man! The biggest problem this country faces today is not
>> terrorism and it really never was. It may sound cold-hearted, but we
>> only lost a few thousand people and some tall buildings. In the big
>> picture that's fairly small potatoes. We lose that many every 4 days
>> from mis-prescribed pharmaceuticals and every month in highway deaths.
>> If we really want to save lives there ought to be "wars against" those
>> mistakes.
>>
>> Our biggest problem right now is we are spending way more than we have,
>
>> both individually and in the government. The dollar is crashing hard
>> because the rest of the world now has an alternative in the Euro and
>> they know our Fed Reserve just keeps on printing new dollars every time
>
>> they feel like having an extra juicy profit. The citizens won't take the
>
>> government to task for overspending because they are doing the same damn
>
>> thing! Getting a new credit card is equivalent to the Fed printing up
>> more money.
>>
>> We have to fix this, but the majority of candidates don't dare bring it
>
>> up because it is sure to be poorly received by the electorate. Fox News
>
>> was evidently afraid to have Ron Paul in the last debate because he was
>
>> likely to shove his take-action-now fiscal viewpoint into the other
>> candidates faces, and they wouldn't know what to say - they think the
>> public is way too stupid to put future survival above their immediate
>> desires.
>>
>> We gotta wake up NOW.
>>
> Bill,
>
> I think there is a lot of truth to what you say. We are headed to a third
> world educational level which in turn will bring about third world
> capabilities.
> Perhaps we should start preparing for the role in this world that we have
> created for ourselves.
>
> Deej
>
>
Hay Guys/gals.
Is this an open free for all discussion group, (if you call US politics free
for all,) or a dedicated audio related group?
If it's the former, I'm outa here.
Martin HarringtonGreetings !
A great big thanks to the PARIS Community for all of your support in helping
the Eastcoast Music Mall win the
Number One Recording Retailer for 2007 !!
* Sound and Music Retailer Magazine #1 trade mag for NAMM
To Celebrate , we are delighted to Have Elliot Scheiner ( Steeley Dan ,
Eagles etc... )
as a special Guest along with Greg Ondo Senior Steinberg / Yamaha specialist
Going over the new NUENDO/CUBASE and full Steinberg line.
Monday February 4th 7pm @ Eastcoast Music Mall
Here is a link to the NUENDO Forum for details:
http://www.nuendo.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=16800
Elliot is truly one of our industries Greatest Talents - and visionary.
Next week Elliot will be at NAMM with META-Alliance
a group of Grammy Engineers pushing for better Audio Standards etc...
Some of you know of my involvement with:
http://www.palmtreetechnology.com/
Palmtree Technology will be Speaking at the META session @ Namm
introducing a revolutionary new CODEC ( Details on Palmtree site )
If anyone is interested in attending - admission is FREE , seating is
limited
Please let me know :)
Morgan
Eastcoast Music Mall
800-901-2001
morganp@ntplx.netYou don't have to read the thread. Just like I don't have to read the Aussie
based threads when those come up (though I chose to do so for the most
part).You started complaining in the middle of Dedric's accurately labelled
OT thread, and have again here when the subject clearly says RP. That's
kinda rude man.
However, I want to learn more about the people around here and maybe that's
our difference in outlook? I think it's an interesting topic, even though
I'm not participating.actively with this one. I don't understand your
mindset, but if you feel it's necessary to leave then there's probably
nothing more to say dude, and I'll miss your input. Come back when you can.
AA
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:C3B0E980.3514%lendan@bigpond.net.au...
> On 14/1/08 5:47 AM, in article 478a4e9f$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.net>
> wrote:
> Hay Guys/gals.
> Is this an open free for all discussion group, (if you call US politics
> free
> for all,) or a dedicated audio related group?
> If it's the former, I'm outa here.
>
> Martin Harrington
>"jim drago" <jamesd@prospectlk12.or.us> wrote in message
news:478a7789$1@linux...
>
> Thank you for your responses so far. I am now looking for a K8NS mobo.
> Next
> ? What is a good processor with this mobo?
Opteron 185 is the king of the heap on that.
>What is a good video card,
Stick to nVidia/GeForce.
>I'll be using 1 HP w2007 to start maybe add one l more later.
Sorry, lost me.
>Good PS.
Antec seems to be the quality choice. what size is dictacted by what power
you'll be pulling. that is decided by what kind of hardware are you putting
in the machine. Do the math for each piece and you'll know where to land.
include CPU, RAM, hard drives, optical drivers, mother board, PCI, AGP,
etc....
>good rack mountable case. Sorry for so many ?'s Jim
Sorry man, I have no idea the current status of RM cases.
AAOn 14/1/08 11:14 AM, in article 478aa9ec$1@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> You don't have to read the thread. Just like I don't have to read the Aussie
> based threads when those come up (though I chose to do so for the most
> part).You started complaining in the middle of Dedric's accurately labelled
> OT thread, and have again here when the subject clearly says RP. That's
> kinda rude man.
>
> However, I want to learn more about the people around here and maybe that's
> our difference in outlook?
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art).You started complaining in the middle of Dedric's accurately labelled
>> OT thread, and have again here when the subject clearly says RP. That's
>> kinda rude man.
>>
>> However, I want to learn more about the people around here and maybe that's
>> our difference in outlook? I think it's an interesting topic, even though
>> I'm not participating.actively with this one. I don't understand your
>> mindset, but if you feel it's necessary to leave then there's probably
>> nothing more to say dude, and I'll miss your input. Come back when you can.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:C3B0E980.3514%lendan@bigpond.net.au...
>>> On 14/1/08 5:47 AM, in article 478a4e9f$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hay Guys/gals.
>>> Is this an open free for all discussion group, (if you call US politics
>>> free
>>> for all,) or a dedicated audio related group?
>>> If it's the former, I'm outa here.
>>>
>>> Martin Harrington
>>>
>>
>>
>Usually, the "Aussie based threads" have zero to do with politics, (well the
>odd one or two), but our lifestyle, and that's OK, but wall to wall days of
>US politics is too much, even for Americans, I would have thought.
>Why not put it in a general discussion folder or something.
>I don't want to leave, but I'm certainly not interested in "fringe", (to
>outsiders), political aspirations.
>Matin H
>Now, settle down, Bill . . . don't go all Tom Cruise on us. "Battlefield
Earth" was just a book and a movie . . . the psych-iatrists/ologists are not
evil aliens from another galaxy . . . or ARE they? (dunt dunt duuunnnnn . .
.. ) Psychs . . . Psychlos . . . hmmm.
I admire that Scientology usually demands specifics and personal
observation, but when it comes to psychiatry, it's all broad generalities.
I know a fair number of psychs through my job, and if there's an evil
conspiracy to ruin humanity, I think someone forgot to clue them in. Now,
the pharmaceutical companies . . . that's another story.
But thanks for the nice compliment. I should tell you, though, that I'm not
particularly young, and the fact that I can count spilled toothpicks at a
glance doesn't make me bright.
I'm an excellent driver.
S
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:478a535f$1@linux...
> Well done, class! Your answers are all correct, but as usual our bright
> young lady is most astute. In the '60s psychiatry started a campaign to
> influence the schools and school systems and the teaching colleges in a
> big way.
>
> In the '50s at an annual convention, the head of American Psychiatric
> Association publicly declared their new goal of creating a "Value Neutral
> Society". Their aim was to blur and eradicate the distinction between
> right and wrong.
>
> They knew that the sure way to change society was by influencing the
> children. Psychiatrists have gradually introduced to our schools the mass
> drugging of children and even infants (approximately 8 million on Ritalin
> type drugs), Outcome Based Education (doesn't matter how much or how well
> children learn, just that they felt good about it) and the rest of their
> psuchobabble notions of how people should think and behave.
>
> Who was the most influential proponent of the "drug culture"? Not
> coincidentally, a psychologist and college professor, Dr. Timothy Leary.
>
> When you hear someone derided for being "judgmental", that is the
> influence of psychiatric double speak. Smart, ethical people used to be
> regarded as showing "good judgment", but now that positive attribute of
> being able to rightly judge people and situations has been slyly skewed
> into a bad thing. I'm sure you have noticed other examples of how
> illogical psychiatric concepts have replaced good reasoning.
>
> When you look around our society and see the delineation between right and
> wrong, logical and illogical, smart and stupid being blurred it is no
> accident. Look to the only group who has for over 50 years had that as
> their stated aim: psychiatry and psychology.
>
> We can fix our schools but we must first recognize the source of the
> problem and erase its influence or it will only get worse. Our children
> are our responsibility.
>
>
> rick wrote:
>> yup, a bunch of egotistical numbnuts. it astounds me the level of non
>> educated college graduates we're churning out...with pride.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:29:11 -0800, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you got it, Don. Psychologists pretending to know something
>>> decided that discipline and competion were harmful to children's mental
>>> health.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4789a15e$1@linux...
>>>> Self esteem replaced achievement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>and if i were smarter i would have thought of that...
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:16:51 -0800, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:
>"Ignoransk is blisk" - Popeye
>
>S
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:32qjo3tacag3k1niba4n0sdgo18aafjb5v@4ax.com...
>> but they're happy...afterall ignorance is bliss.
>>
>> On 13 Jan 2008 14:09:17 +1000, "Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>You are spot on. Our educational system started to decline in the late
>>>>'60s and has never recovered
>>>>
>>>>In analyzing a changing trend in a statistic, such as the decline in the
>>>
>>>>quality of the US school system, what you must do is look just BEFORE
>>>>the change occurred to find what caused it. What changed in the US
>>>>school system that has caused the drastic reduction in results?
>>>>
>>>>Discuss please...
>>>
>>>Taking the emphasis off competition, pass/ fail grading and passing
>>>students
>>>
>>>along without them being able to accomplish the coursework.
>>
>all the answers lie within but unfortunately those giving the
directions have forgotten that.
hate to disagree bill but growing up i don't remember the right from
wrong thing being blurred. both my ass and the inability to leave the
house did not suffer from non attention. and there sure as hell
wasn't anything in my room to do went sent ther
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believe this as well. A bit of back story here.
Delon Dotson was the CTO of MP3.com , while there
developed MYMP3.com which later became known as
Napster. He met with all the top record exec's at the time
in a futile attempt to get them to understand the future.
Simply put - folks would get their music by downloading.
He was laughed out of all of their offices.
When Michael Robertson , then CEO of MP3.com and Hothead - insisted they go
ahead and launch the first P2P site called MYMP3.com . Delon , a Christian
and former attorney took a firm stand and said they simply could not just do
this - it was wrong and it would be Piracy. Delon said if you do this - I'm
selling my shares in MP3.com and I'm outta here - that's precisely what
happened.
When I met Delon , He told me of his history and his Desire to Right the
wrong so to speak.
Delon had an idea for a security codec and an new approach a file format
that would be a fraction
of the size of an MP3 file and have way better Audio quality . That's when I
introduced him to Elliot
and the now known META Group consisting of all the top dogs from the Grammy
Producer and
Engineering wing. The Concept was to provide a secure way to sell "
Intellectual Property " via the web.
Along the way , the security codec portion eclipsed the actual value of the
Audio Codec when it became
clear to all involved that this had solved the identity theft problem. Delon
was on the team that built the SSL
encryption presently used by all online transactions etc... , the new
security codec is a Quantum leap from that.
I think this is going to be a very interesting year :)
Morgan
"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote in message
news:478c3fb6$1@linux...
>
> "Morgan" <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>Greetings !
>>Some of you know of my involvement with:
>>http://www.palmtreetechnology.com/
>>
>>Palmtree Technology will be Speaking at the META session @ Namm
>>introducing a revolutionary new CODEC ( Details on Palmtree site )
>>
>>If anyone is interested in attending - admission is FREE , seating is
>>limited
>>Please let me know :)
>>
>>Morgan
>>Eastcoast Music Mall
>>800-901-2001
>>morganp@ntplx.net
>>
>
> Morgan-
>
> I suspect everyone here on the NG would be very interested in Palmtree,
> from
> what I just read at the site.
>
> -steve
>
> for those who haven't checked it out, they claim a new compression method
> that can maintain CD quality while reducing the file to half that of an
> mp3...To quote myself, "...our Fed Reserve just keeps on printing new dollars
every time they feel like having an extra juicy profit." Who gets rich
in war time? Central bankers! They love war time, lending money to both
sides at exorbitant interest rates.
You do realize who gets screwed by inflation? People who work for a
living and people who save money. Do you still think we can afford this
war and our bought and paid for Presidents?
Are you hearing Ron Paul yet?
PS: Martin, I know this is OT and may not seem to apply to Australia,
but please don't ignore it. You will somehow feel the effects of it,
too. Sorry.Well, you still didn't answer my question, so I guess that's that.
As for the charge of pedantry, showy writing, and so forth, I decided a while
back that I'll only act stupider than I am when I'm chatting up unlettered
pretty girls. If she's a hottie from the 'burbs who had to be smuggled out
of Amity High and I want to see her naked, I'll pretend I watch reality TV
and don't know John Milton from Milton Friedman. For the rest of the world
I write and read the way I like. Some people find they can take advantage
of this, that I've hacked a few paths into the jungle that make their own
trek a bit easier. Other people decide I'm a pedant. As the Germans say,
Es ist mir wurst! It's all sausage to me!
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Now then, here we have the DC rhetorical and debating style at its simplest
>>and purest. Or rather half of it. There's pit bull DC who will argue anything
>>to the bitter end and provoke the other party at every turn. Then there
>is,
>>grandfatherly DC (this one) who speaks in generalities, answers questions
>>with questions, and makes swooping appeals to open discussion and earnest
>>sharing of ideas. Grandfatherly DC shows up in two situations, a) when
DC
>>has provoked the other party into spittle jetting rage ('Now _look_ at
what
>>you're doing, tsk tsk') or b) when he's caught dead to rights. There's
also
>>the convenient chopping up of what other people write to avoid discussing
>>anything he doesn't want to discuss.
>
>
>This is supposed to be a substitute for content??
>
>How about you? Proud member of the assholes (I'm not a nice guy!)
>union? The list pedant, never missing a chance to display his knowledge?
>
>You have to be kidding. Man I edit you to spare you some grief...
>
>(grin)
>
>
>>In any case, you missed a chance to make a good, or at least your best,
>argument
>>here. You said morals, wisdom, and decency need to be taught alongside
'intelligence'
>>and I asked who got to choose the morals to be taught. Of course, that's
>>an almost impossibly difficult question, because at some point someone
is
>>going to object to some of those morals.
>
>
>Which of course is not at all the point.
>
>It's not impossible, and it's not even very difficult. It is, however,
>collaborative and you have contributed nothing. As usual.
>
>Is there common ground? Can we agree on some basics?
>
>
>>What you could have argued, to at
>>least get some breathing space, is that whatever morals should be taught
>>it shouldn't be that Frankfurt School relativism spouted by elite and effete
>>east coast Ivy Leaguers like me, which is the status quo. That misrepresents
>>both me and the status quo, but that's never stopped you before and it's
>>the best argumentative out you had.
>
>
>Nope. Don't give a damn about your relativism and neither will history.
>This country is still a democracy, no matter how much that pisses you
>off, and most people have a clear set of morals. They will contribute
>where you will not. They will rule. You will not. You will hate them.
>That will make you feel special about yourself...
>
>
>>Now then, some parts of a good school curriculum have no moral component.
>>There's not much ethical spin possible when dealing with the laws of thermodynamics
>>or the Pythagorean Theorem. The satanist in Brooklyn, the maddrassah teacher
>>in Peshawar, the Mormon home schooler in Provo, and the radical settler
>on
>>the West Bank would all cheerfully agree that the speed of light is about
>>186,000 miles per second. So what we're really talking about is minimal
>social
>>sciences (barely taught outside of college), history, and languages and
>literature.
>
>You forgot Zoroastrianism and your friendly local Buddhist, not to
>mention your fellow Flying Spaghetti Monster worshipers...
>
>So, It's proven! Nothing can be done!! There can be no morals taught
>in schools.
>
>And you call this a position?
>
>
>>So then, if morals and decency are to be taught in public schools, I ask
>>this time thrice, who gets to decide what is taught?
>
>Thrice, he said thrice!! Must be educated...
>
>We the People, that's who. I just reject your thesis, out of hand,
>that is it impossible to find common ground.
>
>
>
>>As a delectable carrot to draw out an answer I offer this. If you answer
>>that question with any degree of thoughtfulness and thoroughness I will
>give
>>you _my_ opinion. And that is the opinion of someone who attended public
>>schools for twelve years, whose parents both spent their entire working
>lives
>>in public education, and who attended a private college where I got to
compare
>>my education to students who graduated in some of the most elite private
>>and public secondary schools in the world.
>>
>>This isn'
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