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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78404 is a reply to message #78403] |
Mon, 15 January 2007 08:29   |
Tom Bruhl
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m> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But if you and Chuck are wondering why not everyone is thoroughly amazed
>>> by hip hop in general, there are reasons people may want to look elsewhere
>>> without it being a knee-jerk diss."
>>>
>>> Jamie I never asked anyone to be amazed. I just don't understand the
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>>> overly
>>> simplistic rap is just samples and loops bit.
>>>
>>> For example, i'm not a fan of symphonic death metal. I think that the
> use
>>> of large scale symphonic sample libraries is a cheap demeaning cheat to
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>>> real
>>> orchestra players, conductors and composers who have spent their lives
>
>>> honing
>>> their skills and applying their craft. These symphonic death metal guys
>>> come along with huge oversized midi rigs, gigantic over-powered computers
>>> with massive amounts of RAM, and ham fistedly thrust away at their touch
>>> sensitive keyboards in a frenzy of mellodramatic hair brained insanity,
>
>>> stopping
>>> only to print out scores they never wrote (and definitely can't read)
> to
>>> impress their symphonic death metal groupies.
>>>
>>> It makes me sick to my stomache, not only for the appalling lack of
>>> musicianship,
>>> but for the atrocious misunderstanding of the nature of death, and the
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>>> very
>>> idea that they can sufficiently illuminate the twin realities of
>>> lifelessness
>>> and the void using the self-limiting vocabulary of symphonic death metal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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I'll stick by my prognostication Neil if you'll make the same one James' =
just made.
W. Mark Wilson
..
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45ccda03$1@linux...
>=20
> "W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote:
>>James, although it pleases me to read about and then hear these =
musical
>=20
>>alloys, I doubt that Amish Metal Rap is going to be the next big =
thing.
>=20
> No? Then you ought to check out "Slap Up My Bitch Buggy"
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78414 is a reply to message #78407] |
Mon, 15 January 2007 10:00 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
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or my
B-day
>>last month. Finally came in. WOOOO HOOOO! Lots of great stuff!
>>Rod
>
>Rod,
>
>Have you read Geoff Emerick's book, "Here, There and Everywhere"?
>Also a fascinating read. Dude was there, had the chops and a band who
>pushed him, and magic happened.
>
>Wasn't all pretty, though, especially near the end, and he does
>discuss personalities and stuff.
>
>If you haven't read it yet, get it.
>
>pabThe dispute between Apple Computer Inc. and Apple Corps over the use of the
trademark "Apple" has finally been settled. Apple Computer Inc. is to take
full control of the Apple brand and license certain trademarks back to Apple
Corps - a record company started by the Beatles - for continue
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78415 is a reply to message #78414] |
Mon, 15 January 2007 11:23 |
John Macy
Messages: 242
Registered: April 2006
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d use. The two
companies have been in a dispute over this issue for more than 25 years.
Steve Jobs said the long running dispute had been "painful". "We love the
Beatles and it has been painful being at odds with them over these
trademarks." he said. "It feels great to resolve this in a positive manner,
and in a way that should remove the potential of further disagreements in
the future."
The dispute dates back to 1980, when the George Harrison noticed an advert
for Apple computers in a magazine. "It is great to put this dispute behind
us and move on. The years ahead are going to be very exciting times for us."
Apple Corps manager Neil Aspinall said. "We wish Apple Inc every success and
look forward to many years of peaceful co-operation with them."
http://www.afterdawn.com:80/news/archive/8598.cfmVirtual Synthesizers.
"Louis Guarino Jr." <kateeba@snet.net> wrote in message
news:45cceb6b$1@linux...
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> Aaron, thanks, but what are VSTi's? Sorry.
>
> Lou
>
> "Aaron Allen" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78467 is a reply to message #78466] |
Tue, 16 January 2007 06:56 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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I/O and a S/Pdif I/O. I'm thinking of keeping it around as a farm
>system for lightpiping audio from VSTi's to Cubase SX. I'm also thinking
of
>getting something like VStack to use as a VSTi host. I could even sync it
>via ADAT sync since I have the Scope Sync plate.
>
>I'm just wondering.....it looks to me like I could even patch the Luna midi
>out to one of my RME midi inputs and record the midi direct to Cubase SX
in
>real time simultaneously. then, if the two systems were synced gvia ADAT
>sync, I could patch the midi out of my RME card to the Luna midi input and
>use it as a sound generator .................but then I would have to
>monitor the incoming tracks in real time during a mix.......but if the
>buffers on both systems were the same, that *should* work, right?
>
>How do you guys use farm systems? Just record the audio and be done with
it?
>the point of this whole exercise would be to save resources on the DAW
>streaming audio, but as usual, I'm probably trying to snatch defeat from
the
>jaws of victory.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>I especially like the way 96K translates into the
MP3 and Ipod formats--really adds to the resolution...
:)
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>The thing is - I've never been 100% sold on "the record sound" - some
>aspects are good, but to me it usually sounds like a creative approximation
>of what a band sounds like, rather than an uncanny representation. Glue
is
>fine creatively, but it doesn't exist in the real world, which is what
>recording was original intended to capture.
>
>Imho, because of the stargazing factor among engineers (copy the
>"hitmakers"), what used to be a lim
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78469 is a reply to message #78459] |
Tue, 16 January 2007 07:03 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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>>>> but maybe it more or less restores some stuff (dunno what) that
>>>> might get lost in ITB summing? Maybe that's what Deej is
>>>> hearing (I have no clue - haven't tried one yet). Or maybe it's
>>>> really a magnetic thing more than tape compression or harmonic
>>>> distortion that we liked about analog? This unit has an
>>>> actual tape head circuit inside it, which is something I don't
>>>> ever recall seeing in any other box.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I spoke to Brian at Sonic Circus (where I got my Portico
>>>> Pre's from) about this box & he said he liked it so much he
>>>> bought one for himself. He said it's a mysterious little box in
>>>> a way, because sometimes you can't tell how it's affecting the
>>>> sound, but when you disengage it you instantly say: "Nope...
>>>> sounded better with it in!"
>>>>
>>>> Interesting stuff... I may have to get one of these or...
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Just a minor technicality, but putting a 2 channel line driver
>>>>> on the master bus (2 channel pass through) isn't changing the summing
>> -
>>>> it's
>>>>> just rounding the final mix EQ, compressing a bit with a little
>>>>> saturation,
>>>>> and perhaps adding some phase non-linearities.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, if you like the sound and you get a great mix, that's what
>> it's
>>>>> al
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78482 is a reply to message #78479] |
Tue, 16 January 2007 11:26 |
Deej [4]
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>>
>>>
>>
>Gene's explanation is excellent and the 'standard' way to do this, but just
FYI I've been doing the same thing with a stereo room pair lately with excellent
results. It was mostly and accident as the room pair was an afterthought
to the drum tracking process, but they came in very handy as the smashed
sound behind the main mix. I think it sounds a little heavier, more Zeppelin-ish,
with the smashed room mics instead of a copy of the main mix smashed up.
Also, I'm not a huge fan of this 'trick' in general, but I have some minimalist
tendencies to begin with.
TCB
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>Doing this live in real time has some advantages, but this method will work.
>
>Do a drum only mixdown to two tracks.
>Bring the mix in on two additional channels.
>Compress it VERY heavy and bring a small amount up behind your main drum
>tracks.
>You may need to shift this stereo track earlier to get the phase right.
The
>amount of shift will be determined by what plugin you use for the compression.
>EQ on the compressed tracks is common…whatever works. Start with a little
>high end boost post compressor. Personally I like less of the cymbals
in
>the compressed mix and I generally use just a hint of the smashed track.
>
>1176 in all button mode, Vintage Warmer, Compadre Beatpuncher all work well
>as will others. Settings vary. Start with a medium attack (10ms) a medium
>release (200ms) and a heavy ratio deep into the threshold.
>I’m looking to get an increase in energy and a melding of the sounds without
>sacrificing too much clarity.
>
>Dimitrios has a method that works for doing this real time in Paris. You
>may want to search for his routing techniques. I typically do this by routing
>out to a second computer in real time. The only major advantage of real
time
>is that you can adjust the individual send levels of your compressed drum
>mix as you work your overall mix.
>Gene
>P.S.
>If you just want to add a little compressed energy to a drum mix rather
than
>go with the "New York" smashed / parallel compressed sound, I would try
Nebula2
>free with the Boeing 747 settings. Nice!
>
>
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Hi All
>>
>>When setting up a 2 track buss for slamming drums (to mix with the original
>
>>tracks) how do YOU go about it.
>>
>>For Example
>>
>>1) Do you use the whole drum kit (EQ'd) or just selected drum tracks -
and
>
>>if you use the whole kit do you set up a separ
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78510 is a reply to message #78469] |
Wed, 17 January 2007 01:09 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
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;> ("tonight")?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, do you have enough tracks going to make a difference?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know that you hear much of a difference on a small
>>>>>>>>>>>> handful of tracks like a single acoustic guitar & voice, for
>>>>>>>>>>>> example, but when you get even 10 or 12 tracks going and
>>>>>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY when you start throwing them through a verb or two
>>>>>>>>>>>> working at those higher samplerates - you will absolutely hear
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> difference in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>> Dedric, it seems that the music industry is in a spriraling motion of
> perpetual
> back tracking. Classic Rock, 1970 R & B...
>
I don't really agree with this 100%. Some things just sound better than
others I think. for instance, the reason I bounce a lot of my decisions off
my wife is because she doesn't have a dog in the fight as far as whether
tape/tubes/digital/solid state sounds better. she does have incredibly
sensitive hearing though. She could care less why something sounds good and
so is not caught up in the hype about what this and that *should* sound
like. She liked Paris and she likes some ITB Cubase stuff as well, but she
really noticed the difference the 5042 made and considered it as a positive
addition to the mix without having a bunch of preconceptions about why.
I, OTOH, grew up listening to vinyl that was recorded to tape and I will
admit to my predelection to refer to this as a benchmark, even
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78511 is a reply to message #78510] |
Wed, 17 January 2007 01:21 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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though the
*audible*dynamic range is not what digital is supposed to be providing.
somehow, it just sounds better to me, cause I'm and old fart, I guess.
;o)Lol!! Me too(Just had a Birthday) 45
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
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>> Dedric, it seems that the music industry is in a spriraling motion of
>> perpetual
>> back tracking. Classic Rock, 1970 R & B...
>>
>
>
>I don't really agree with this 100%. Some things just sound better than
>others I think. for instance, the reason I bounce a lot of my decisions
off
>my wife is because she doesn't have a dog in the fight as far as whether
>tape/tubes/digital/solid state sounds better. she does have incredibly
>sensitive hearing though. She could care less why something sounds good
and
>so is not caught up in the hype about what this and that *should* sound
>like. She liked Paris and she likes some ITB Cubase stuff as well, but she
>really noticed the difference the 5042 made and considered it as a positive
>addition to the mix without having a bunch of preconceptions about why.
>
>I, OTOH, grew up listening to vinyl that was recorded to tape and I will
>admit to my predelection to refer to this as a benchmark, even though the
>*audible*dynamic range is not what digital is supposed to be providing.
>somehow, it just sounds better to me, cause I'm and old fart, I guess.
>
>;o)
>
>Neil get a life..
If you noticed, I prettty much stayed away you tests. To get pass this, I
apologize about my comments. I really enjoy yor post and your knowlege on
the recording process. You have helped me a lot (with your post) when it
comes to Rock mixing..
Let's not continue to dilute our nice forum with an in-family fight.
You are not a PK a!@#.. Sorry..
"Neil" <IOUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>Neil-
>>
>>Your experience and contributions aside, which I've thanked you for repeatedly,
>>this is a really inappropriate and offensive response to LaMont's opinions.
>
>Bullshit! It's a totally appropriate response. I'm fed up with
>his constant arrogance & proclamations as if from on high
>without ANYTHING to back it up, and implications (or outright
>statements as though they were fact) that if we can't hear what
>he may (or may not, in fact) hear, then we're all wrong.
>
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| Re: it's 18 degrees below zero here [message #78512 is a reply to message #78485] |
Wed, 17 January 2007 01:21 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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gt;And frankly, his accusations that I was rigging some tests (for
>what? WTF personal gain could I possily get, or motivation
>could I possibly have to do that?) have gotten on my last nerve.
>You know, when Deej & Gene were talking about the Bedini BASE
>unit, I went & found a CD I had recorded & mixed back in '91
>using the BASE process, and I was going to post some clips
>of what it sounded like - I don't think the guys would mind,
>I know them pretty well, and the band's long broken up, etc. -
>but since there was no version available without it, I knew I'd
>just get more shit from Lamont for posting 'em: "So what's this
>unit doing? How can you ex
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