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| Re: AES article shows people can't hear the difference... [message #97843 is a reply to message #97842] |
Tue, 08 April 2008 13:27   |
Cujjo
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you suggest dual
> quad core? Keep in mind the Liquid Mix is pretty crucial to what I do, and
> in a perfect world I wouldn't have to drop my Creamware card.
>
> Got home after practice last night and audio computer no workee. PS powers
> up, drives spin, no POST, no video, no beeps. I might be able to get away
> with a new video card as it's the most likely candidate, but if I have to
> upgrade now it's not a horrible time to do so.
>
> TCB
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> HI Don,
>> To get the best memory speed when you have more than 2 sticks of ram you
> need to even
>> sized and even numbered sticks in both bank A and bank B.
>>
>> Probably won't notice the difference with most applications. Just heavy
> video and audio
>> stuff will see a benefit.
>>
>> This holds true for current PC Xeon boards also. Not like they are any different
> now
>> anyways.
>>
>> Also make sure you Crucial ram has the large heat spreaders like on the
> Apple ram. If
>> not you may start to have overheating issues.
>>
>> I just setup a system for a video guy and he is using that new Samsung Syncmaster
> 305T
>> 30 LCD.
>> The quality jump over the 30" Apple display was drastic and its like $500
> less. ha
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Been out humping a couple of new systems into place, so I
>>> haven't been around much.
>>>
>>> Got a new 8-core Mac Pro shipping. The pore ole Mini here
>>> has had about enough of me and how hard I work it...
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have discovered that the way to buy Apple
>>> computers is to get your own RAM. (I use Crucial)
>>> and your own monitor. (not the terrific but silly-expensive
>>> Apple ones). I got 6G of RAM for half the price of 4G from
>>> Apple. Crazy... and a 24" Sceptre D
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| Re: AES article shows people can't hear the difference... [message #97854 is a reply to message #97851] |
Wed, 09 April 2008 01:15 |
neil[1]
Messages: 164
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n love with HOT 99.5 FM, which plays
>>> the
>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>> epidemic
>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
>>> badly.
>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone
>>> know
>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want
to
>>> know how it's done!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>
>Hi Gantt,
Stronger sounds like a vocorder controlled by a midi keyboard
to me. That's just a guess. Probably other grit thrown in there to.
I like that sound alot. It is what sets that song apart from the
competition. Aggressive in a rock n roll way. Maybe some
amp sim or the real thing with it.
Tom
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4887cba2$1@linux...
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> How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!
>
> Gantt
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>>
>>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>>
>>
>>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound bad
>
>>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>>
>>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon enough
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Kerr
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which
>>>> plays
>
>>>> the
>>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>>> epidemic
>>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
>
>>>> badly.
>>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone
>
>>>> know
>>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want
> to
>>>> know how it's done!
>&
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| Re: AES article shows people can't hear the difference... [message #97863 is a reply to message #97854] |
Wed, 09 April 2008 07:09 |
TCB
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4;comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Don,
>
>What have you been running Paris on all these years? You know, it just
occurred
>to me that with a nice new big fast Mac 8 core and an PCI expansion chassis
>you might be able to run Paris on a Mac - in Windows XP. Whaddya think?
> Could you actually have some of your cake and eat it too?
>
>Gantt
>
The Magma PCIe host card runs works fine with the Magma PCI chassis. I'm
running one on my DAW here.Hi Ron,
I've never messed with the skins although the greenish one
Gene had going looked really nice to me. I like Paris' original too.
3.0 is awesome. Avoid Pace if you can. If you can find it, it's worth it.
XP also brings alot of newer plugins to the Paris table too with FxPansion
3.3.
XP eliminates ADAT sync for most but some have it working here
oddly enough. Grouping is a huge benefit, four plugins on each aux bus
and the list goes on. Vertex Faderworks is a must have in my opinion too.
It allows latency compensation with a single key stroke. Macro
Express is another must have for handling screens quickly. Mike Audet
has ported some absolutely incredible reverbs over to Paris too from the
DP4 and DP Pro.
There's my positive synopsis of the last five years of paris' demise.
Tom
"Ron" <Concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:4887eb9b$1@linux...
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> Hi all,
>
> Want to load new skins for my paris 1.80. Tried using the instructions,
> but
> the explorer app has been renamed editor. Names have changed. DO have the
> wrong version to work with these bitmaps.
>
> If this is the problem is it worth moving to 2.0 or 3.0 using win98Stronger sounds more like a Talk Box to me."Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Don,
>
>What have you been running Paris on all these years?
Mac G3 blue and white
>You know, it just occurred
>to me that with a nice new big fast Mac 8 core and an PCI expansion chassis
>you might be able to run Paris on a Mac - in Windows XP. Whaddya think?
> Could you actually have some of your cake and eat it too?
Sounds like a DJ rig to me!!
arerrgghhh!
Be fun to try it.
DC
>
>Gantt
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Been out humping a couple of new systems into place, so I
>>haven't been around much.
>>
>>Got a new 8-core Mac Pro shipping. The pore ole Mini here
>>has had about enough of me and how hard I work it...
>>
>>Anyway, I have discovered that the way to buy Apple
>>computers is to get your own RAM. (I use Crucial)
>>and your own monitor. (not the terrific but silly-expensive
>>Apple ones). I got 6G of RAM for half the price of 4G from
>>Apple. Crazy... and a 24" Sceptre DVI monitor for 299.
>>
>>Macs are almost affordable if you pay attention to the
>>details...
>>
>>The 8-core with all that RAM and a couple of good drives
>>will serve me well if I have to leave PARIS, but I will resist
>>as long as I can.
>>
>>HEY! Where's our update!
>>
>>I know... coming soon...
>>
>>Also, for buying the Mac I got a free iPod Touc
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| Re: AES article shows people can't hear the difference... [message #97882 is a reply to message #97854] |
Wed, 09 April 2008 13:52 |
DC
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with FxPansion
>
>>3.3.
>>XP eliminates ADAT sync for most but some have it working here
>>oddly enough. Grouping is a huge benefit, four plugins on each aux bus
>>and the list goes on. Vertex Faderworks is a must have in my opinion too.
>>It allows latency compensation with a single key stroke. Macro
>>Express is another must have for handling screens quickly. Mike Audet
>>has ported some absolutely incredible reverbs over to Paris too from the
>>DP4 and DP Pro.
>>
>>There's my positive synopsis of the last five years of paris' demise.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>"Ron" <Concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:4887eb9b$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Want to load new skins for my paris 1.80. Tried using the instructions,
>
>>> but
>>> the explorer app has been renamed editor. Names have changed. DO have
> the
>>> wrong version to work with these bitmaps.
>>>
>>> If this is the problem is it worth moving to 2.0 or 3.0 using win98
>>
>>
>I will take a look at it later. Why would it work with all the other
computers?
thanks
DC
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Does the cable say CAT6 on it anywhere, or CAT5 or CAT5e?
>If not the former, there's your problem.
>
>AA
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:488932a0$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, I am typing this to you on the new Mac Pro...
>>
>> So far transfers and everything is going OK
>>
>> Unfortunately, I spent3 hours today, much of it on the phone with
>> Apple trying to make the ethernet work. We even erased the drive
>> and reinstalled the OS...
>>
>> Finally, the second support guy I spoke with suggested just trying
>> a different ethernet cable. Why? I mean the cable works
>> great with the iBook and the Mini!
>>
>> Just try it...
>>
>> OhhhKayyy
>>
>> And damn, it lights right up... Works to perfection.
>>
>> Sooo, yes an ethernet cable can work on every computer in the
>> building and not pass muster with a new one. The gigabit
>> ethernet was probably beyond this cable..
>>
>> I dunno.
>>
>> But it is working and I only aged a year or so.
>>
>> computers...
>>
>> grrrrrrr
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>I recommend to mix your file, import it back into a project (new ppj, same
ppj.. your choice), add the mastering techniques of your choice, bounce it
again at unity (or whatever suits ya) and then the final pair of mono tracks
should be exported to a stereo file. Add dither, if so desired, in the final
bounce stage.
AA
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:48893ee7@linux...
> When one pulls in the two mixdown tracks from a project, in PARIS 3.0,
> into a new project (the two tracks hard left/right), then does some
> effects/editing on them, there are two options to finish: one would be to
> render the tracks with native inserts and then export them, or do another
> mixdown of them. Seems I recall someone saying that something was lost by
>
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| Re: AES article shows people can't hear the difference... [message #97885 is a reply to message #97882] |
Wed, 09 April 2008 21:46 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
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s' original too.
>>>
>>>3.0 is awesome. Avoid Pace if you can. If you can find it, it's worth
>> it.
>>>XP also brings alot of newer plugins to the Paris table too with FxPansion
>>
>>>3.3.
>>>XP eliminates ADAT sync for most but some have it working here
>>>oddly enough. Grouping is a huge benefit, four plugins on each aux bus
>>>and the list goes on. Vertex Faderworks is a must have in my opinion
too.
>>>It allows latency compensation with a single key stroke. Macro
>>>Express is another must have for handling screens quickly. Mike Audet
>>>has ported some absolutely incredible reverbs over to Paris too from the
>>>DP4 and DP Pro.
>>>
>>>There's my positive synopsis of the last five years of paris' demise.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ron" <Concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:4887eb9b$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Want to load new skins for my paris 1.80. Tried using the instructions,
>>
>>>> but
>>>> the explorer app has been renamed editor. Names have changed. DO have
>> the
>>>> wrong version to work with these bitmaps.
>>>>
>>>> If this is the problem is it worth moving to 2.0 or 3.0 using win98
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Hi,
OK so I searched and found that there is a DVD out there that could help
a Dude like my find some help with Pasris. I have paste a reponse giving
permission to share. Does anyone have a copy to share with a guy who is a
visual learner. The book stuff just doen't come easy :-)
This is from Allen I think:
"I appreciate the concern for my efforts and art. Truly, I do. Gives me the
fuzzies :)
However, any way you cut it Chuck left the reins in my hands and I'm not
making/selling them... so, basically I was just saying although I don't have
any to sell I really don't care either way to be honest. Hook the dude up,
anyone.
That's the official word.
That DVD was a lot of work, but it was a love labor on my part and frankly
all I cared about was to cover my expenses, help fund the Skunkworks effort
and the side bonus was the ultra cool hang time with BT. Brian wouldn't take
a dime, and his gift was his time/knowledge in case anyone didn't know. He
is truly a great dude. After all this time I just couldn't see charging for
a dead platform how to video that was years old to boot. I don't see a new
one being made at this point, so there is nothing to update. Maybe someday
"soon" will come, but I'm not holding my breath.
Copy on with my blessings, Paris users. I saw this day coming, that's why
I
didn't protect it.
AA"It's a PITA, and an unnecessary one. There is a tool called AntiPace out
there on the net that can remove that thorn since ID is too self absorbed to
give a crap about the former customer's rights. Doesn't work on a Mac, btw.
Gotta be PC.
AA
"Ron" <concert4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:4889c459$1@linux...
>
> Thanks I guess I will be looking at 3.0, What is the deal with PACE?
> ron
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>They will play fine from any version into 3.0. The problem is going
>>backwards, and it's the auxes that do it because they work differently.
> You
>>can, in a pinch, clear every and I mean every aux and get it to play into
>
>>version 2.11/2.2.. versions before that I cannot say will work as I've not
>
>>tried it.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Ron" <concerts4u@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:48892f07$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey Tom,
>>>
>>> If I go to 3.0 will I be able to still run the recordings already done
> on
>>> my version of Paris? I guess I am asking if paris recordings are upward
>
>>> compatible.
>>> I have heard that they are not going the other way.
>>> ron
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Ron,
>>>>
>>>>I've never messed with the skins although the greenish one
>>>>Gene had going looked really nice to me.
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Thu, 10 April 2008 05:06 |
Bill L
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r />
>>>>
>>>> So far transfers and everything is going OK
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I spent3 hours today, much of it on the phone with
>>>> Apple trying to make the ethernet work. We even erased the drive
>>>> and reinstalled the OS...
>>>>
>>>> Finally, the second support guy I spoke with suggested just trying
>>>> a different ethernet cable. Why? I mean the cable works
>>>> great with the iBook and the Mini!
>>>>
>>>> Just try it...
>>>>
>>>> OhhhKayyy
>>>>
>>>> And damn, it lights right up... Works to perfection.
>>>>
>>>> Sooo, yes an ethernet cable can work on every computer in the
>>>> building and not pass muster with a new one. The gigabit
>>>> ethernet was probably beyond this cable..
>>>>
>>>> I dunno.
>>>>
>>>> But it is working and I only aged a year or so.
>>>>
>>>> computers...
>>>>
>>>> grrrrrrr
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Well the cable was it. Only took most of an afternoon...
Now I get to rewire the place with CAT6...
Thanks everyone.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Correct, Aaron, any NIC/switch/router should be able to auto-negotiate the
>right link speeds. If they didn't then putting a gigabit switch into an
environment
>with some CAT5 cable would break those circuits, which thanks be to Odin
>it doesn't.
>
>Bizarre that a Mac couldn't do this, but what do I know about Macs save
the
>BSD core that is down there in the core.
>
>TCB
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>They're probably not gigabit NICs in the other Macs. Technically, the new
>
>>one 'should' slow down to 100 or even 10, but crappy drivers and such can
>
>>get in the way of that.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:488954b6$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I will take a look at it later. Why would it work with all the other
>>> computers?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Does the cable say CAT6 on it anywhere, or CAT5 or CAT5e?
>>>>If not the former, there's your problem.
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:488932a0$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I am typing this to you on the new Mac Pro...
>>>>>
>>>>> So far transfers and everything is going OK
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, I spent3 hours today, much of it on the phone with
>>>>> Apple trying to make the ethernet work. We even erased the drive
>>>>> and reinstalled the OS...
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, the second support guy I spoke with suggested just trying
>>>>> a different ethernet cable. Why? I mean the cable works
>>>>> great with the iBook and the Mini!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just try it...
>>>>>
>>>>> OhhhKayyy
>>>>>
>>>>> And damn, it lights right up... Works to perfection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sooo, yes an ethernet cable can work on every computer in the
>>>>> building and not pass muster with a new one. The gigabit
>>>>> ethernet was probably beyond this cable..
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it is working and I only aged a year or so.
>>>>>
>>>>> computers...
>>>>>
>>>>> grrrrrrr
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Your CAT5 cable should still work fine for gigabit LAN...
David.
DC wrote:
> Well the cable was it. Only took most of an afternoon...
>
> Now I get to rewire the place with CAT6...
>
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> Correct, Aaron, any NIC/switch/router should be able to auto-negotiate the
>> right link speeds. If they didn't then putting a gigabit switch into an
> environment
>> with some CAT5 cable would bre
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Thu, 10 April 2008 16:05 |
dc[3]
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/>
>>>> Thanks everyone.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Correct, Aaron, any NIC/switch/router should be able to auto-negotiate
>>>>> the
>>>>> right link speeds. If they didn't then putting a gigabit switch into
an
>>>> environment
>>>>> with some CAT5 cable would break those circuits, which thanks be to
>>>>> Odin
>>>>> it doesn't.
>>>>> Bizarre that a Mac couldn't do this, but what do I know about Macs
save
>>>> the
>>>>> BSD core that is down there in the core.
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>> They're probably not gigabit NICs in the other Macs. Technically,
the
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> one 'should' slow down to 100 or even 10, but crappy drivers and such
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> get in the way of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:488954b6$1@linux...
>>>>>>> I will take a look at it later. Why would it work with all the other
>>>>>>> computers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Does the cable say CAT6 on it anywhere, or CAT5 or CAT5e?
>>>>>>>> If not the former, there's your problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:488932a0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Well, I am typing this to you on the new Mac Pro...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far transfers and everything is going OK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I spent3 hours today, much of it on the phone with
>>>>>>>>> Apple trying to m
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Thu, 10 April 2008 19:29 |
Kim
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ake the ethernet work. We even erased the drive
>>>>>>>>> and reinstalled the OS...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Finally, the second support guy I spoke with suggested just trying
>>>>>>>>> a different ethernet cable. Why? I mean the cable works
>>>>>>>>> great with the iBook and the Mini!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just try it...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OhhhKayyy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And damn, it lights right up... Works to perfection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sooo, yes an ethernet cable can work on every computer in the
>>>>>>>>> building and not pass muster with a new one. The gigabit
>>>>>>>>> ethernet was probably beyond this cable..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I dunno.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it is working and I only aged a year or so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> computers...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> grrrrrrr
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>Bill L wrote:
> "The low spark of high-healed boys". No idea what that means, but I knew
> it was me when I put on my platform boots, Baby!
They did Low Spark. Great energy in that one.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> I love summer.
>>
>> We shot a big summer festival last weekend (80k people). One of the
>> acts was Steve Winwood who has been around approximately forever. He
>> sounded great, and he and his band even dug out some of old Traffic
>> stuff. Despite the heat (around 100f), it was a really fun shoot.
>>
>> Just felt like sharing...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>steve the artguy wrote:
> I hear an aging rocker who has no high end left on their vocal range (like
> Joni) and sometimes think, I guess that's what's ahead for all of them.
>
> And then I remember Winwood. I haven't heard him recently. Does he still
> sing like he's 15?
He sang effortlessly for most of the show. He seemed to get into a
little trouble mid-set on one song. It was a hot, dry, windy and dusty
outdoor show so I'm giving him a pass for that moment. He was fine after
that.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> -steve
>
>
> Jamie K <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
>> I love summer.
>>
>> We shot a big summer festival last weekend (80k people). One of the acts
>
>> was Steve Winwood who has been around approximately forever. He sounded
>
>> great, and he and his band even dug out some of old Traffic stuff.
>> Despite the heat (around 100f), it was a really fun shoot.
>>
>> Just felt like sharing...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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Hey Don,
Still tweaking the amps a bit, but the install went great. The coverage
is REALLY good...
Here is a small shot of the speaker cluster from the top of one of the
suspension towers, and a shot of one of the 5 "sticks" inside...
Nice to hear you are keeping busy...
David.
DC wrote:
> Thanks everyone!
>
> I looked at the patch cable I ran that worked with the new Mac and
> it is a Cat5e I thought it was a CAT6 but it is not.
>
> Pulling cable is something I have been involved in for too damn many
> years, and of course, Aaron is right. It's not in conduit though.
>
> Hey David, how did your stadium come out? I am doing a couple of
> churches and it is nice to be busy in this economy.
>
> you all have a great weekend.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> Also, be sure to wire it to spec, of the crosstalk will kill ya:
>> OR the crosstalk.....
>> jeez.....
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:488a132c@linux...
>>> CAT5 won't. Even if it fired, the collisions/loss wouldn't be worth it.
>>> CAT5e 'might'. Depends on cable quality and length, I've seen it go both
>
>>> ways. I still wouldn't do this route if you like data integrity.
>>> Your physical limit is 310 ft of CAT6. I don't go past 300 ft, on
>>> principle of hating failures/sketchy quality. We use Belden where I work,
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>>> it seems to be just fine. Avoid wierdo off brands, those I've had trouble
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>>> with.. especially the jacket. Nothin' will piss you off like pulling a
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>>> 250ft run and finding out if kinked 'somewhere' in the middle of it and
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>>> pinched the wire into oblivion because of a shoddy jacket.
>>> Also, be sure to wire it to spec, of the crosstalk will kill ya:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T568B
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:4889e84c@li
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