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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86780 is a reply to message #86758] |
Sat, 16 June 2007 20:16   |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C7C52D.F15AD310--I failed to mention on my other post below that everytime that I launch paris
this error comes up(application has failed to start because mfc71.dll was
not found, re-intalling app might fix) re-installing many times did not fix.
I can click on the ok button and paris however does continue and load. Just
wondering if this is the cultprit on the other problems I am having. Sometimes
upon launching paris error init paris engine comes says no interface connected
to master card. I can relaunch and it will launch 5-6 times without the no
interface error appearing.thanks davidThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:46972376@linux...
This is really a novice oriented question but . . .
It doesn't matter which card is the "A" card
in your system as far as Paris' ID orientation right?
Yes, it does, and the orientation of the slots you are using in =
combination with the orientation of the ribbon cables will determine =
this. Have you changed them around during your reconfiguration?
Start with a new SCSI cable and a single EDS card. Test each MEC. Once =
you know if there is a problem there, add a new SCSI cable and another =
card. Put different modules in the MECs so you can see which one is on =
card A, B, C at all times. this will give you the info as to how the =
cards are initializing and which card is card A, B, C as you start =
adding more hardware. the MEC i sent you is one of 4 that were working =
perfectly when I took my system off line. I can't imagine it being a =
problem. Bent pins on SCSI cables can be a serious issue though. Your =
system will not function with bad SCSI cables.
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is really a novice oriented =
question but . .=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It doesn't matter which card is the =
"A"=20
card</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in your system as far as Paris' ID =
orientation=20
right?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, it does, and the orientation of =
the slots=20
you are using in combination with the orientation of the ribbon=20
cables will determine this. Have you changed them around during =
your=20
reconfiguration?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Start with a new SCSI cable and a =
single EDS=20
card. Test each MEC. Once you know if there is a problem there, add a =
new SCSI=20
cable and another card. Put different modules in the MECs so you can =
see which=20
one is on card A, B, C at all times. this will give you the info =
as to=20
how the cards are initializing and which card is card A, B, C as you =
start=20
adding more hardware. the MEC i sent you is one of 4 that were working =
perfectly when I took my system off line. I can't imagine it being a =
problem.=20
Bent pins on SCSI cables
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86789 is a reply to message #86779] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 05:09 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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go down to four. Maybe it's
> > > card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
> > > again.
> > >
> > > All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris =3D
> >effects.
> > > All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
> > > What else is there?
> > > Sadly,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =3D20
> > >
> > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > ><HTML><HEAD>
> > ><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
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> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, =3D
> >reinstalled Paris
> > =3D3D
> > >about five=3D3D20
> > >times total in the last day and a half.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am close to starting =
>from =3D
> >scratch and
> > =3D3D
> > >possibly=3D3D20
> > >doing the antipace thing.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good =
>at it. I
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >have Mec 1=3D3D20
> > >loaded with cards attached to what has always</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>been Card A for three =
>years. Can
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >that change?=3D3D20
> > >Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try </FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>all the others in that =
>=3D
> ></FONT><FONT =3D3D
> > >face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > >size=3D3D3D2>position just to see though.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am close to starting =
>from =3D
> >scratch and
> > =3D3D
> > >possibly=3D3D20
> > >doing the antipace thing. How could that be </FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>the evil that won't allow
=
>=3D
> >hardware to =3D3D
> > >show=3D3D20
> > >up?</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> > ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3D3Dltr=3D3D20
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> > > <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message <A
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> > >
> > > =
>href=3D3D3D"news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Have you tested each =
>MEC =3D3D
> > >individually? I'd start=3D3D20
> > > there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV>
> > > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3D3Dltr=3D3D20
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> > > <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> > > =
>href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >wrote in=3D3D20
> > > message <A =3D3D
> > >href=3D3D3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Sorry to shout but =
>this is =3D
> >driving
> > =3D3D
> > >me=3D3D20
> > > insane.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am working with a =
>cloned =3D
> >drive =3D3D
> > >that used to=3D3D20
> > > work with</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. =
></FONT><FONT
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > > size=3D3D3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can not</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>get a second Mec to =
>show up
> =3D
> >and =3D3D
> > >receive=3D3D20
> > > clock. It</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>doesn't matter if =
>it's at =3D
> >the end =3D3D
> > >of the line=3D3D20
> > > or anywhere</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>else. It doesn't =
>matter if =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >it's=3D3D20
> > > internally clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>clocked. I've changed
=
>Mecs,
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >clock cables,=3D3D20
> > > SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>and no changes. I've
=
>even =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >tried a=3D3D20
> > > reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Same deal. =
></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I must be doing =
>something =3D
> >totally =3D3D
> > >wrong for=3D3D20
> > > this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>The only thing else I
=
>can =3D
> >think to
> > =3D3D
> > >try is=3D3D20
> > > swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>EDS card with another
=
>or go
> =3D
> >down to
> > =3D3D
> > >four. =3D3D20
> > > Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86797 is a reply to message #86795] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 08:43 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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ut the busted mec</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>at this point. I want an answer =
>to what is=20
>going on. The default project </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is looking for external word clock so =
>that's my=20
>only choice although I</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>have tried it with no Lucid attached =
>with the same=20
>results.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think I'll call Edmund.</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com</A>>=
> wrote=20
> in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:469708c8$1@linux">news:469708c8$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>That=
> kinda=20
> totally sucks. Sorry.<BR>rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Hey Rod,<BR>>Ya I've been swapping =
>things out=20
> to no end just to be sure.<BR>>I even had trouble getting it going =
>with=20
> internal clock which ruled<BR>>out the Lucid in my =
>mind.<BR>><BR>>The=20
> latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at all with other =
>Mecs<BR>>being=20
> the master. In the process I smoked the original Mec =
>A<BR>>because=20
> the SCSI cable was half in at start up. I heard a =
>crack<BR>>and then=20
> the smell of burning chips. It still powers up but it's =
>out<BR>>of=20
> the picture now. Loaded with modules too.<BR>><BR>>Now =
>nothing=20
> gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll try<BR>>that=20
> next. I have a local engineer coming over to see =
>what=3D20<BR>>Paris=20
> can do. He's very well respected in these parts.<BR>>To bad =
>I'm down=20
> for the count it seems.<BR>>Ass<BR>><BR>> "Rod Lincoln" =
><<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>t;=20
> wrote in message =
>=3D<BR>>news:4696c93b$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Tom,=20
> have you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may=20
> be<BR>=3D<BR>>a funky<BR>> MEC word clock connection, or =
>perhaps the=20
> Lucid clock is flakey. Or =3D<BR>>even<BR>> a bad mogami =
>wordclock=20
> cable (I know that's a longshot, but=20
> anything's<BR>=3D<BR>>possible)<BR>> Just a =
>thought.<BR>> =20
> Rod<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =20
> >Deej,<BR>> >Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris =
>about five=20
> times total in the<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >last day and =
>a=20
> half.<BR>> >I am close to starting from scratch and =
>possibly doing=20
> the antipace =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >thing.<BR>> =
>>I'm=20
> getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 loaded with cards=20
> =3D<BR>>attached<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> >to what has=20
> always<BR>> >been Card A for three years. Can that change? =
>Paris=20
> works fine with =3D<BR>>just<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>>that=20
> one. I'll try=3D3D20<BR>> >all the others in that =
>position=20
> just to see though.<BR>> ><BR>> >I am close to =
>
> starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace=20
> =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >thing. How could that=20
> be=3D3D20<BR>> >the evil that won't allow hardware to show =
>
> up?<BR>> >Thanks,<BR>> >Tom<BR>> =
>> =20
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message=20
> =3D3D<BR>> >news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> =
>> Have=20
> you tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did you =
>=3D3D<BR>> =20
> >iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?<BR>> =
>> "Tom=20
> Bruhl" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote in message =3D3D<BR>> =
>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> =20
> > Sorry to shout but this is driving me=20
> insane.<BR>> ><BR>> > I am =
>working=20
> with a cloned drive that used to work with<BR>> =20
> > 2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I =
>can=20
> not<BR>> > get a second Mec to show up =
>and=20
> receive clock. It<BR>> > doesn't =
>matter if=20
> it's at the end of the line or anywhere<BR>> =
>> =20
> else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or=20
> externally<BR>> > clocked. I've =
>changed=20
> Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables<BR>> > =
>and no=20
> changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.<BR>> =20
> > Same deal. =3D3D20<BR>> =
>><BR>> =20
> > I must be doing something totally wrong for =
>this to=20
> continue.<BR>> > The only thing else I =
>can think=20
> to try is swapping the last=3D3D20<BR>> =
>> EDS card=20
> with another or go down to four. Maybe it's<BR>> =20
> > card 5? Or, triple check the connectors =
>between=20
> all the cards<BR>> > =
>again.<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> > All EDS cards are up and =
>running and=20
> play audio with Paris =3D<BR>>effects.<BR>> =
>> =20
> All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.<BR>> =20
> > What else is there?<BR>> =20
> > Sadly,<BR>> > =20
> Tom<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =
>> =20
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?<BR>> =20
> > <A=20
> =
>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>.html</A> =20
> =3D20<BR>> ><BR>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC =
>"-//W3C//DTD=20
> HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><BR>> =20
> ><HTML><HEAD><BR>> ><META=20
> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
>=3D3D<BR>> =20
> >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>> ><META =
>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=20
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>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial =
>size=3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ya, I've =
>uninstalled,=20
> =3D<BR>>reinstalled Paris<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>>about=20
> five=3D3D20<BR>> >times total in the last day and a=20
> half.</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am close to starting from =
>=3D<BR>>scratch=20
> and<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>>possibly=3D3D20<BR>> >doing=20
> the antipace thing.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm getting =
>pretty good=20
> at it. I<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >have Mec =
>1=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> >loaded with cards attached to what has=20
> always</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>been Card A for three years.=20
> Can<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >that =
>change?=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> >Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D3D2>all the others in that =
>=3D<BR>></FONT><FONT=20
> =3D3D<BR>> >face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> >size=3D3D3D2>position just to see=20
> though.</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT =
>
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>> =20
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am close to =
>starting=20
> from =3D<BR>>scratch and<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =20
> >possibly=3D3D20<BR>> >doing the antipace thing. How =
>could that=20
> be </FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV>&
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86802 is a reply to message #86798] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 09:26 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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thought.<BR>Rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" =
><<A=3D20<BR>> =20
> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto=
>:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>&g=
>t; =20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Deej,<BR>>Ya, =
>I've=20
> uninstalled, =3D<BR>>reinstalled=3D20<BR>> Paris about =
>five times=20
> total in the =3D3D<BR>>last day and a =
>=3D<BR>>half.<BR>>I=20
> am=3D20<BR>> close to starting from scratch and possibly =
>doing the=20
> antipace=3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>thing.<BR>>I'm =
>getting=20
> pretty good at it. I have =3D<BR>>Mec 1=3D20<BR>> loaded =
>with cards=20
> attached<BR>=3D3D<BR>>to what has=20
> =3D<BR>>always<BR>>been Card A=3D20<BR>> for =
>three years. Can=20
> that change? Paris works fine with=20
> =3D<BR>>just<BR>=3D3D<BR>>that=3D20<BR>> =
>one. I'll=20
> try=3D3D20<BR>>all the others in that position just =
>=3D<BR>>to=20
> see=3D20<BR>> though.<BR>><BR>>I am close =
>to starting=20
> from scratch and =3D<BR>>possibly doing=3D20<BR>> the =
>antipace=20
> =3D3D<BR>>thing. How could that be=3D3D20<BR>>the =
>=3D<BR>>evil=20
> that=3D20<BR>> won't allow hardware to show=20
> =3D<BR>>up?<BR>>Thanks,<BR>>Tom<BR>>=20
> "DJ"=3D20<BR>> <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote =
>in=20
> message=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> Have you =
>tested each=20
> =3D<BR>>MEC=3D20<BR>> individually? I'd start there. Did =
>you=20
> =3D3D<BR>>iuninstall/reinstall =
>=3D<BR>>Paris=3D20<BR>> =20
> yet?<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20<BR>> =
>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arpegi=
>o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=20
> wrote =3D<BR>>in message=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> Sorry to =
>=3D<BR>>shout=20
> but=3D20<BR>> this is driving me =
>insane.<BR>><BR>> I=20
> am =3D<BR>>working with=3D20<BR>> a cloned drive that used =
>to work=20
> with<BR>> 2 Mecs =3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>> WC. Now no =
>matter what=20
> I do, I can not<BR>> =3D<BR>>get a=3D20<BR>> =
>second Mec to=20
> show up and receive clock. =3D<BR>>It<BR>> =
>=3D20<BR>> doesn't=20
> matter if it's at the end of the line or=3D20<BR>> =20
> anywhere<BR>> else. It doesn't matter if=20
> =3D<BR>>it's=3D20<BR>> internally clocked or =
>externally<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>clocked. I've=3D20<BR>> changed Mecs, clock =
>cables, SCSI=20
> cables<BR>> and =3D<BR>>no=3D20<BR>> changes. =
>I've even tried=20
> a reinstall of =3D<BR>>Paris.<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =
>Same deal.=20
> =3D3D20<BR>><BR>> I must be doing=20
> =3D<BR>>something=3D20<BR>> totally wrong for this to=20
> continue.<BR>> The only =3D<BR>>thing=3D20<BR>> =
>else I can=20
> think to try is swapping the =3D<BR>>last=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> EDS=3D20<BR>> card with another or go down to four.=20
> Maybe=3D20<BR>> it's<BR>> card 5? Or, triple check =
>the=20
> =3D<BR>>connectors=3D20<BR>> between all the =
>cards<BR>>=20
> =3D20<BR>> again.<BR>><BR>> All EDS cards =
>are up and=20
> =3D<BR>>running and=3D20<BR>> play audio with Paris=20
> effects.<BR>> All 5 cards =3D<BR>>share =
>3=3D20<BR>> IRQs with=20
> nothing else.<BR>> What else is=3D20<BR>> =
>there?<BR>>=20
> Sadly,<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =20
> Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> I choose Polesoft=20
> =3D<BR>>Lockspam to=3D20<BR>> fight spam, and =
>you?<BR>>=20
> <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>=3D<BR>>.html</A>=20
> =3D20<BR>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML =
>PUBLIC=20
> "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>>=
><META=3D20<BR>> =20
> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type =
>content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>
> =3D<BR>>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20<BR>> =
>6.00.2800.1400"=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE&=
>gt;<BR>></HEA=3D<BR>>D><BR>><BODY=3D20<BR>&=
>gt; =20
> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV><BR>>&l=
>t;DIV><FONT=3D20<BR>> =20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled,=20
> reinstalled=3D20<BR>> Paris<BR>=3D3D<BR>>about =
>
> five=3D3D20<BR>>times total in the last day =3D<BR>>and=20
> a=3D20<BR>> =20
> half.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D2>I am =
>close to starting=20
> from scratch=3D20<BR>> =20
> and<BR>=3D3D<BR>>possibly=3D3D20<BR>>doing the =
>
> antipace=3D20<BR>> =20
> thing.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D2>I'm =
>getting pretty good=20
> at it. I =3D3D<BR>>have Mec=3D20<BR>> =
>1=3D3D20<BR>>loaded=20
> with cards attached to what has=3D20<BR>> =20
> always</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D2>been =
>Card A for three=20
> years. Can =3D3D<BR>>that=3D20<BR>> =20
> change?=3D3D20<BR>>Paris works fine with just that one. I'll=20
> try=3D20<BR>> =20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D2>all the others in =
>that=20
> </FONT><FONT=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>p=
>osition just=20
> to =3D<BR>>see=3D20<BR>> =20
> though.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =
>size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D2>I am =
>close to starting=20
> from scratch=3D20<BR>> =20
> and<BR>=3D3D<BR>>possibly=3D3D20<BR>>doing the =
>antipace=20
> thing. How =3D<BR>>could that be=3D20<BR>> =20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>&
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86809 is a reply to message #86797] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 10:16 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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64;linux" target="_blank">1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Have you tested =
each =3D
>MEC =3D3D3D
> > >individually? I'd start=3D3D3D20
> > > there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV>
> > > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3D3D3Dltr=3D3D3D20
> > > style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT:
=3D
>5px;
> =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D3D20
> > > =3D
>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
=3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >wrote in=3D3D3D20
> > > message <A =3D3D3D
> > =
>href=3D3D3D3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Sorry to shout =
but =3D
>this is =3D3D
> >driving
> > =3D3D3D
> > >me=3D3D3D20
> > > insane.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>I am working =
with a =3D
>cloned =3D3D
> >drive =3D3D3D
> > >that used to=3D3D3D20
> > > work with</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. =
=3D
></FONT><FONT
> =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20
> > > size=3D3D3D3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can =
not</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>get a second =
Mec to =3D
>show up
> =3D3D
> >and =3D3D3D
> > >receive=3D3D3D20
> > > clock. It</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>doesn't matter =
if =3D
>it's at =3D3D
> >the end =3D3D3D
> > >of the line=3D3D3D20
> > > or anywhere</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>else. It =
doesn't =3D
>matter if =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >it's=3D3D3D20
> > > internally clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>clocked. I've =
changed
=3D
>Mecs,
> =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >clock cables,=3D3D3D20
> > > SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>and no =
changes. I've
=3D
>even =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >tried a=3D3D3D20
> > > reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Same deal. =3D
></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>I must be =
doing =3D
>something =3D3D
> >totally =3D3D3D
> > >wrong for=3D3D3D20
> > > this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>The only thing =
else I
=3D
>can =3D3D
> >think to
> > =3D3D3D
> > >try is=3D3D3D20
> > > swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>EDS card with =
another
=3D
>or go
> =3D3D
> >down to
> > =3D3D3D
> > >four. =3D3D3D20
> > > Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>card 5? Or, =
triple =3D
>check the
> =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >connectors=3D3D3D20
> > > between all the cards</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>again.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>All EDS cards =
are up
=3D
>and =3D3D
> >running =3D3D3D
> > >and play audio=3D3D3D20
> > > with Paris effects.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>All 5 cards =
share 3 =3D
>IRQs =3D3D
> >with =3D3D3D
> > >nothing=3D3D3D20
> > > else.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>What else is =
=3D3D
> >there?</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft =
Lockspam to
=3D
>fight
> =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > >spam, and=3D3D3D20
> > > you?<BR><A=3D3D3D20
> > > =3D3D3D
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.=
com=3D
>/re=3D3D
> >fer=3D3D3D
> > >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>=3D3D3D
> > ></HTML>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
=3D3D
> >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Hey Rod,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ya I've been swapping =
things out
=3D
>to no
> =3D3D
> >end just to=3D3D20
> >be sure.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I even had trouble =
getting it =3D
>going =3D3D
> >with internal=3D3D20
> >clock which ruled</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>out the Lucid in my =3D
>mind.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>The latest news is I =
couldn't =3D
>get it to
> =3D3D
> >boot at all=3D3D20
> >with other Mecs</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>being the master. In the =
process
=3D
>=3D3D
> >I smoked the=3D3D20
> >original Mec A</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>because the SCSI cable =
was half
=3D
>in at =3D3D
> >start=3D3D20
> >up. I heard a crack</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>and then the smell of =
burning =3D
>=3D3D
> >chips. It still=3D3D20
> >powers up but it's out</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>of the picture now. =
Loaded with
=3D
>=3D3D
> >modules=3D3D20
> >too.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Now nothing gets it going =
except
=3D
>maybe
> =3D3D
> >the lowly=3D3D20
> >442. I'll try</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>that next. I have a local =
=3D3D
> >engineer coming=3D3D20
> >over to see what </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Paris can do. He's very =
well =3D3D
> >respected in=3D3D20
> >these parts.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>To bad I'm down for the =
count =3D
>it=3D3D20
> >seems.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ass</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
> >style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; =3D
>=3D3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com=
</A=3D
>>&g=3D3D
> >t;=3D3D20
> > wrote in message <A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D"news:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV><B=
R>T=3D
>om,=3D3D
> > have=3D3D20
> > you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may be a =
=3D3D
> >funky<BR>MEC=3D3D20
> > word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =
=3D3D
> >even<BR>a bad=3D3D20
> > mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but =3D
>anything's=3D3D20
> > possible)<BR>Just a thought.<BR>Rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> > =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20
> > wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Deej,<BR>>Ya, I've uninstalled, =3D3D
> >reinstalled=3D3D20
> > Paris about five times total in the =3D3D3D<BR>>last day and a =
=3D3D
> >half.<BR>>I am=3D3D20
> > close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the =
antipace=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>thing.<BR>>I'm getting pretty good at it. I have =
=3D3D
> >Mec 1=3D3D20
> > loaded with cards attached<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>to what has =3D3D
> >always<BR>>been Card A=3D3D20
> > for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with =3D3D
> >just<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>that=3D3D20
> > one. I'll try=3D3D3D20<BR>>all the others in that position just =
=3D3D
> >to see=3D3D20
> > though.<BR>><BR>>I am close to starting from scratch and =3D3D
> >possibly doing=3D3D20
> > the antipace =3D3D3D<BR>>thing. How could that =
be=3D3D3D20<BR>>the =3D3D
> >evil that=3D3D20
> > won't allow hardware to show =3D3D
> >up?<BR>>Thanks,<BR>>Tom<BR>> "DJ"=3D3D20
> > <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> Have you tested each =
=3D3D
> >MEC=3D3D20
> > individually? I'd start there. Did you =3D
>=3D3D3D<BR>>iuninstall/reinstall =3D3D
> >Paris=3D3D20
> > yet?<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> > href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
=3D
>wrote =3D3D
> >in message=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> Sorry to =3D3D
> >shout but=3D3D20
> > this is driving me insane.<BR>><BR>> I am =3D3D
> >working with=3D3D20
> > a cloned drive that used to work with<BR>> 2 Mecs =3D3D
> >and=3D3D20
> > WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not<BR>> =3D3D
> >get a=3D3D20
> > second Mec to show up and receive clock. =3D3D
> >It<BR>> =3D3D20
> > doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or=3D3D20
> > anywhere<BR>> else. It doesn't matter if =3D3D
> >it's=3D3D20
> > internally clocked or externally<BR>> =3D3D
> >clocked. I've=3D3D20
> > changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables<BR>> and =3D3D
> >no=3D3D20
> > changes. I've even tried a reinstall of =3D3D
> >Paris.<BR>> =3D3D20
> > Same deal. =3D3D3D20<BR>><BR>> I must be doing =3D3D
> >something=3D3D20
> > totally wrong for this to continue.<BR>> The only =3D3D
> >thing=3D3D20
> > else I can think to try is swapping the =3D3D
> >last=3D3D3D20<BR>> EDS=3D3D20
> > card with another or go down to four. Maybe=3D3D20
> > it's<BR>> card 5? Or, triple check the =3D3D
> >connectors=3D3D20
> > between all the cards<BR>> =3D3D20
> > again.<BR>><BR>> All EDS cards are up and =3D3D
> >running and=3D3D20
> > play audio with Paris effects.<BR>> All 5 cards =3D3D
> >share 3=3D3D20
> > IRQs with nothing else.<BR>> What else is=3D3D20
> > there?<BR>> Sadly,<BR>> =3D3D20
> > Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> I choose Polesoft =3D3D
> >Lockspam to=3D3D20
> > fight spam, and you?<BR>> <A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com=
/re=3D
>fer=3D3D
> >.html</A> =3D3D20
> > <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D3D20
> > Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D3D20
> > http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type =
content=3D3D3D3D"text/html;=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =3D3D
> >content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D3D20
> > 6.00.2800.1400"=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> >name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=3D3D
> >D><BR>><BODY=3D3D20
> > bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> >size=3D3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, =3D
>reinstalled=3D3D20
> > Paris<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>about five=3D3D3D20<BR>>times total in the =
last =3D
>day =3D3D
> >and a=3D3D20
> > half.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=3D3D20
> > and<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>possibly=3D3D3D20<BR>>doing the =
antipace=3D3D20
> > thing.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I =3D3D3D<BR>>have =
=3D
>Mec=3D3D20
> > 1=3D3D3D20<BR>>loaded with cards attached to what has=3D3D20
> > always</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>been Card A for three years. Can =
=3D3D3D<BR>>that=3D3D20
> > change?=3D3D3D20<BR>>Paris works fine with just that one. I'll =
=3D
>try=3D3D20
> > </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>all the others in that </FONT><FONT=3D3D20
> > =
=3D3D3D<BR>>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2 >position just =
to
=3D
>=3D3D
> >see=3D3D20
> > though.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=3D3D20
> > and<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>possibly=3D3D3D20<BR>>doing the antipace =
thing. How
=3D
>=3D3D
> >could that be=3D3D20
> > </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>the evil that won't allow hardware to=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D<BR>>show=3D3D3D20<BR>>up?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV&g=3D3D
> >t;<FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> >size=3D3D3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D3D
> >=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D
> >size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
> > dir=3D3D3D3Dltr=3D3D3D20<BR>>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; =
=3D
>PADDING-LEFT: =3D3D
> >5px;=3D3D20
> > MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; =
=3D3D
> >MARGIN-RIGHT:=3D3D20
> > 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot =3D3D
> >_=3D3D20
> > net> wrote in message <A =3D3D3D<BR>><BR>> =
href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D'news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV'>n=
ews=3D
>:46=3D3D
> >96229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>=3D3D
> >> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Have you tested =
each =3D3D
> >MEC=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>individually? I'd start=3D3D3D20<BR>> there. Did =
you=3D3D20
> > iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> >
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3D3D3Dltr=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=3D3D20
> > PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
#000000
=3D
>=3D3D
> >2px solid;=3D3D20
> > MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Tom =3D3D
> >Bruhl"=3D3D20
> > <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:=
arp=3D
>egi=3D3D
> >o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>wrote in=3D3D3D20<BR>> message <A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D'news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:=
469=3D
>5d5=3D3D
> >bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>>&nbs=3D3D
> >p; =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Sorry to shout but =
=3D3D
> >this is=3D3D20
> > driving<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>me=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> > insane.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D3D
> ></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>I am working with a =
=3D3D
> >cloned drive=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>that used to=3D3D3D20<BR>> work=3D3D20
> > with</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. =
</FONT><FONT=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >size=3D3D3D3D2>Now no matter=3D3D20
> > what I do, I can =3D3D
> >not</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>get a second Mec to =
=3D3D
> >show up and=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>receive=3D3D3D20<BR>> clock.=3D3D20
> > It</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>doesn't matter if it's at the =
end =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D<BR>>of the=3D3D20
> > line=3D3D3D20<BR>> or=3D3D20
> > anywhere</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>else. It doesn't =
=3D3D
> >matter if=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>it's=3D3D3D20<BR>> internally clocked or=3D3D20
> > externally</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>clocked. I've =
changed =3D3D
> >Mecs,=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>clock cables,=3D3D3D20<BR>> SCSI=3D3D20
> > cables</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>and no changes. I've even =
=3D3D
> >=3D3D3D<BR>>tried=3D3D20
> > a=3D3D3D20<BR>> reinstall of=3D3D20
> > Paris.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Same deal.=3D3D20
> > </FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D3D
> ></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>I must be doing =
=3D3D
> >something totally=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>wrong for=3D3D3D20<BR>> this to=3D3D20
> > continue.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>The only thing else =
I =3D3D
> >can think=3D3D20
> > to<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>try is=3D3D3D20<BR>> swapping the =3D3D
> >last=3D3D20
> > </FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>EDS card with another or go =
down =3D3D
> >to<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>four.=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D20<BR>> Maybe=3D3D20
> > it's</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>card 5? Or, triple check =
the=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>connectors=3D3D3D20<BR>> between all the=3D3D20
> > cards</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> >size=3D3D3D3D2>again.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D3D20
> > </DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>All EDS cards are up and running =3D3D3D<BR>>and =
=3D
>play=3D3D20
> > audio=3D3D3D20<BR>> with Paris=3D3D20
> > effects.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>All 5 cards share 3 =
=3D3D
> >IRQs with=3D3D20
> > =3D3D3D<BR>>nothing=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> > else.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>What else is=3D3D20
> > there?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D
> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> > face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> >size=3D3D3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D3D20
> > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose =3D3D
> >Polesoft Lockspam=3D3D20
> > to fight =3D3D3D<BR>>spam, and=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> > you?<BR><A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >=3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com=
/re=3D
>fer=3D3D
> =3D
=
>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=3D=
3D=3D
>
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>.html</A>=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> ></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY&=3D3D
> =
>gt;=3D3D3D<BR>></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY ></HTML=3D3D
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><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Well here's what is =3D
>happening.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I looked very closely at the =
pins on =3D
>the scsi=3D20
>cables and noticed</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>a slightly bent one or two on =
almost =3D
>half of them=3D20
>(5). I think it's</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>from being careless about =
pushing them
=3D
>in. I=3D20
>straightened them</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>perfectly and yet still no luck =
with =3D
>booting=3D20
>Paris. "No interface attached</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>to the Master Card" is the =3D
>message. I'm only=3D20
>using one mec to test.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also tried the 442. Once in a =
=3D
>while the=3D20
>Magma wouldn't turn on with the</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>442 attached. I think that is =
=3D
>because of the=3D20
>bent pins. That's good of</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>the Magma. </FONT><FONT =3D
>face=3D3DArial=3D20
>size=3D3D2>I've tried all five cards, removed the A card and swapped =
it=3D20
></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>with another </FONT><FONT =
face=3D3DArial
=3D
>size=3D3D2>still=3D20
>no luck. </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm lost in this quagmire now. =
=3D
>I'm not even=3D20
>pissed about the busted mec</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>at this point. I want an answer =
=3D
>to what is=3D20
>going on. The default project </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>is looking for external word =
clock so =3D
>that's my=3D20
>only choice although I</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>have tried it with no Lucid =
attached =3D
>with the same=3D20
>results.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I think I'll call =
Edmund.</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com</A>>=
=3D
> wrote=3D20
> in message <A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D"news:469708c8$1@linux">news:469708c8$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>T=
hat=3D
> kinda=3D20
> totally sucks. Sorry.<BR>rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Hey Rod,<BR>>Ya I've been swapping =3D
>things out=3D20
> to no end just to be sure.<BR>>I even had trouble getting it going =
=3D
>with=3D20
> internal clock which ruled<BR>>out the Lucid in my =3D
>mind.<BR>><BR>>The=3D20
> latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at all with other =3D
>Mecs<BR>>being=3D20
> the master. In the process I smoked the original Mec =3D
>A<BR>>because=3D20
> the SCSI cable was half in at start up. I heard a =3D
>crack<BR>>and then=3D20
> the smell of burning chips. It still powers up but it's =3D
>out<BR>>of=3D20
> the picture now. Loaded with modules too.<BR>><BR>>Now =3D
>nothing=3D20
> gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll try<BR>>that=3D20
> next. I have a local engineer coming over to see =3D
>what=3D3D20<BR>>Paris=3D20
> can do. He's very well respected in these parts.<BR>>To bad =3D
>I'm down=3D20
> for the count it seems.<BR>>Ass<BR>><BR>> "Rod Lincoln"
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;/FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =3D
>
> size=3D3D3D2>that next. I have a local =3D3D<BR>>engineer =3D
>coming=3D3D20<BR>>over=3D20
> to see what </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>Paris can do. He's very well =3D3D<BR>>respected =3D
>in=3D3D20<BR>>these=3D20
> parts.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>To bad I'm down for the count=3D20
> =3D
>it=3D3D20<BR>>seems.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D
>=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>Ass</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20
> =3D
></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =3D
>0px;=3D20
> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
=3D
>2px solid;=3D20
> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln"=3D20
> <<A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A=
>&a=3D
=
>mp;g'>mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</=3D
>A>&g</A>=3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> wrote in message <A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'news:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>T=
om'=3D
>>news:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=3D
><BR>Tom</A>,=3D3D<BR>>=3D20
> have=3D3D20<BR>> you done anything to rule out the possibility =3D
>that it=3D20
> may be a =3D3D<BR>>funky<BR>MEC=3D3D20<BR>> word clock =3D
>connection,=3D20
> or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =3D3D<BR>>even<BR>a=3D20
> bad=3D3D20<BR>> mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a =3D
>longshot, but=3D20
> anything's=3D3D20<BR>> possible)<BR>Just a=3D20
> thought.<BR>Rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" =3D
><<A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20'>m=
ailto=3D
>:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>&g=3D
>t; =3D20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Deej,<BR>>Ya, =3D
>I've=3D20
> uninstalled, =3D3D<BR>>reinstalled=3D3D20<BR>> Paris about =3D
>five times=3D20
> total in the =3D3D3D<BR>>last day and a =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>half.<BR>>I=3D20
> am=3D3D20<BR>> close to starting from scratch and possibly =3D
>doing the=3D20
> antipace=3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>>thing.<BR>>I'm =3D
>getting=3D20
> pretty good at it. I have =3D3D<BR>>Mec 1=3D3D20<BR>> loaded =3D
>with cards=3D20
> attached<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>to what has=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>always<BR>>been Card A=3D3D20<BR>> for =3D
>three years. Can=3D20
> that change? Paris works fine with=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>just<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>that=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>one. I'll=3D20
> try=3D3D3D20<BR>>all the others in that position just =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>to=3D20
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> "DJ"=3D3D20<BR>> <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote =3D
>in=3D20
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> =3D3D3D<BR>>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> Have you =3D
>tested each=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>MEC=3D3D20<BR>> individually? I'd start there. Did =3D
>you=3D20
> =3D3D3D<BR>>iuninstall/reinstall =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>Paris=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> yet?<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
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>href=3D3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arp=
egi=3D
>o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=3D20
> wrote =3D3D<BR>>in message=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> =3D3D3D<BR>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> Sorry to =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>shout=3D20
> but=3D3D20<BR>> this is driving me =3D
>insane.<BR>><BR>> I=3D20
> am =3D3D<BR>>working with=3D3D20<BR>> a cloned drive that used =3D
>to work=3D20
> with<BR>> 2 Mecs =3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D20<BR>> WC. Now no =3D
>matter what=3D20
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>second Mec to=3D20
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>I've even tried=3D20
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>Same deal.=3D20
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> continue.<BR>> The only =3D3D<BR>>thing=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>else I can=3D20
> think to try is swapping the =3D3D<BR>>last=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
> EDS=3D3D20<BR>> card with another or go down to four.=3D20
> Maybe=3D3D20<BR>> it's<BR>> card 5? Or, triple check =3D
>the=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>connectors=3D3D20<BR>> between all the =3D
>cards<BR>>=3D20
> =3D3D20<BR>> again.<BR>><BR>> All EDS cards =3D
>are up and=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>running and=3D3D20<BR>> play audio with Paris=3D20
> effects.<BR>> All 5 cards =3D3D<BR>>share =3D
>3=3D3D20<BR>> IRQs with=3D20
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>there?<BR>>=3D20
> Sadly,<BR>> =3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> I choose Polesoft=3D20
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Chris Ludwig
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on with =3D<BR>>the<BR>>442 =
attached. =20
I think that is because of the bent pins. That's good =
of<BR>>the=20
Magma. I've tried all five cards, removed the A card and swapped =
it<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>>with another still no =
luck.=3D20<BR>><BR>>I'm lost=20
in this quagmire now. I'm not even pissed about the busted =
mec<BR>>at=20
this point. I want an answer to what is going on. The =
default=20
=3D<BR>>project=3D20<BR>>is looking for external word clock so =
that's my=20
only choice although I<BR>>have tried it with no Lucid attached =
with the=20
same results.<BR>><BR>>I think I'll call Edmund.<BR>> =
"Rod=20
Lincoln" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com</A>>=
wrote=20
in message =3D<BR>>news:469708c8$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> =
That kinda=20
totally sucks. Sorry.<BR>> rod<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >Hey=20
Rod,<BR>> >Ya I've been swapping things out to no end just =
to be=20
sure.<BR>> >I even had trouble getting it going with =
internal=20
clock which ruled<BR>> >out the Lucid in my =
mind.<BR>> =20
><BR>> >The latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at =
all=20
with other Mecs<BR>> >being the master. In the =
process I=20
smoked the original Mec A<BR>> >because the SCSI cable was =
half in=20
at start up. I heard a crack<BR>> >and then the =
smell of=20
burning chips. It still powers up but it's out<BR>> =
>of the=20
picture now. Loaded with modules too.<BR>> =
><BR>> =20
>Now nothing gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll=20
try<BR>> >that next. I have a local engineer coming =
over to=20
see what=3D3D20<BR>> >Paris can do. He's very well =
respected=20
in these parts.<BR>> >To bad I'm down for the count it=20
seems.<BR>> >Ass<BR>> ><BR>> =
> "Rod=20
Lincoln" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message =3D3D<BR>> =
>news:4696c93b$1@linux...<BR>> =20
><BR>> > Tom, have you done anything to rule out =
the=20
possibility that it may<BR>=3D<BR>>be<BR>> =
=3D3D<BR>> >a=20
funky<BR>> > MEC word clock connection, or perhaps =
the Lucid=20
clock is flakey. Or<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> =
>even<BR>> =20
> a bad mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but =
=3D<BR>>anything's<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =20
>possible)<BR>> > Just a thought.<BR>> =20
> Rod<BR>> > "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > =20
><BR>> > >Deej,<BR>> > =
>Ya, I've=20
uninstalled, reinstalled Paris about five times total=20
in<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>=3D3D3D<BR>> =20
> >last day and a half.<BR>> > >I am =
close to=20
starting from scratch and possibly doing the =3D<BR>>antipace=20
=3D3D<BR>> >=3D3D3D<BR>> > =
>thing.<BR>> =20
> >I'm getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 =
loaded with=20
cards =3D3D<BR>> >attached<BR>> > =20
=3D3D3D<BR>> > >to what has always<BR>> =
> =20
>been Card A for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine=20
=3D<BR>>with =3D3D<BR>> >just<BR>> > =20
=3D3D3D<BR>> > >that one. I'll=20
try=3D3D3D20<BR>> > >all the others in that =
position just=20
to see though.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>I am=20
close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the =
=3D<BR>>antipace=20
=3D3D<BR>> >=3D3D3D<BR>> > =
>thing. How=20
could that be=3D3D3D20<BR>> > >the evil that =
won't allow=20
hardware to show up?<BR>> > =
>Thanks,<BR>> =20
> >Tom<BR>> > > "DJ" <animix =
_ at _=20
animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =3D3D3D<BR>> =
> =20
>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> > > Have =
you=20
tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did=20
you<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>> > =
>iuninstall/reinstall Paris=20
yet?<BR>> > > "Tom Bruhl" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
=3D3D3D<BR>> > =
>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> =20
> > Sorry to shout but this is driving =
me=20
insane.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =20
> I am working with a cloned drive that used to =
work=20
with<BR>> > > 2 Mecs and =
WC. Now=20
no matter what I do, I can not<BR>> > =
> =20
get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It<BR>> =20
> > doesn't matter if it's at the end of =
the=20
line or anywhere<BR>> > > =
else. =20
It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or=20
=3D<BR>>externally<BR>> > > =20
clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI =
cables<BR>> =20
> > and no changes. I've even =
tried a=20
reinstall of Paris.<BR>> > > =
Same deal.=20
=3D3D3D20<BR>> > ><BR>> > =20
> I must be doing something totally wrong for =
this to=20
continue.<BR>> > > The only =
thing else=20
I can think to try is swapping the =
=3D<BR>>last=3D3D3D20<BR>> =20
> > EDS card with another or go down to=20
four. Maybe it's<BR>> > > =
card=20
5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the =
cards<BR>> =20
> > again.<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > > All EDS cards are =
up and=20
running and play audio with Paris =3D3D<BR>> =
>effects.<BR>> =20
> > All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with =
nothing=20
else.<BR>> > > What else is=20
there?<BR>> > > =
Sadly,<BR>> =20
> > Tom<BR>> > =20
><BR>> > ><BR>> > =20
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
you?<BR>> > > <A=20
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href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> =20
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HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"><BR>> =20
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bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>> > =
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face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV > <BR>> =20
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Ya, I've=20
uninstalled, =3D3D<BR>> >reinstalled Paris<BR>> =
> =20
=3D3D3D<BR>> > >about five=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
>times total in the last day and a=20
half.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>I am =
close to=20
starting =3D<BR>>from =3D3D<BR>> >scratch =
and<BR>> =20
> =3D3D3D<BR>> > =
>possibly=3D3D3D20<BR>> =20
> >doing the antipace=20
thing.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86826 is a reply to message #86815] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 12:28 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
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t;can =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>think to<BR>> > =3D3D3D<BR>> > =
>try=20
is=3D3D3D20<BR>> > > swapping =
the last=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>EDS card with =
another<BR>=3D<BR>>or go<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> >down =
to<BR>> > =3D3D3D<BR>> > >four. =
=3D3D3D20<BR>> > > Maybe=20
it's</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>card 5? Or, =
triple=20
=3D<BR>>check the<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>=3D3D3D<BR>> =20
> >connectors=3D3D3D20<BR>> > =20
> between all the=20
cards</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2>again.</FONT></DI V> <BR>> =
> =20
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size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>> > =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2>All EDS cards are up<BR>=3D<BR>>and =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>running =3D3D3D<BR>> > >and play=20
audio=3D3D3D20<BR>> > > with =
Paris=20
effects.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2>All 5 cards share 3 =3D<BR>>IRQs =
=3D3D<BR>> >with=20
=3D3D3D<BR>> > >nothing=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
> else.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
> =20
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size=3D3D3D3D2>What else is =3D3D<BR>> =20
>there?</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
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size=3D3D3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DI V> <BR>> =
> =20
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size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&a mp;gt; <BR>> =
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to<BR>=3D<BR>>fight<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>=3D3D3D<BR>> =20
> >spam, and=3D3D3D20<BR>> > =20
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> =20
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Rod,</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ya I've been =
swapping=20
things out<BR>=3D<BR>>to no<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>end just=20
to=3D3D20<BR>> >be =
sure.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I even had =
trouble=20
getting it =3D<BR>>going =3D3D<BR>> >with=20
internal=3D3D20<BR>> >clock which=20
ruled</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>out the Lucid in my=20
=3D<BR>>mind.</FONT></DIV> <BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>The latest =
news is I=20
couldn't =3D<BR>>get it to<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>boot at=20
all=3D3D20<BR>> >with other=20
Mecs</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>being the master. In the=20
process<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >I smoked =
the=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>original Mec A</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>because the =
SCSI cable=20
was half<BR>=3D<BR>>in at =3D3D<BR>> =
>start=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>up. I heard a crack</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>and then the =
smell of=20
burning =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >chips. It =
still=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>powers up but it's out</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>of the =
picture now.=20
Loaded with<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> =
>modules=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Now nothing =
gets it going=20
except<BR>=3D<BR>>maybe<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> >the=20
lowly=3D3D20<BR>> >442. I'll=20
try</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>that next. I have a local =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>engineer coming=3D3D20<BR>> >over to see what=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D2>Paris can do. He's very well =3D3D<BR>> =
>respected=20
in=3D3D20<BR>> >these =
parts.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>To bad I'm =
down for the=20
count =3D<BR>>it=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>seems.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D2>Ass</FONT></DIV& ;gt; <BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
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<<A=3D3D20<BR>> > =3D3D<BR>> =20
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href=3D'mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A'>m=
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href=3D'news:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>T'>n=
ews:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV>&l=
t;BR>T</A>=3D<BR>>om,=3D3D<BR>> =20
> have=3D3D20<BR>> > you done anything to rule =
out the=20
possibility that it may be a =3D3D<BR>> =20
>funky<BR>MEC=3D3D20<BR>> > word clock =
connection, or=20
perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =3D3D<BR>> =
>even<BR>a=20
bad=3D3D20<BR>> > mogami wordclock cable (I know =
that's a=20
longshot, but =3D<BR>>anything's=3D3D20<BR>> > =20
possible)<BR>Just a thought.<BR>Rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl"=20
<<A=3D3D20<BR>> > href=3D3D3D"<A=20
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href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20'>mail=
to:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><B=
R>> =20
> =20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>&a mp;lt;BR>>Deej,<BR>>Ya, =
I've=20
uninstalled, =3D3D<BR>> >reinstalled=3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
Paris about five times total in the =3D3D3D<BR>>last day and =
a=20
=3D3D<BR>> >half.<BR>>I am=3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the=20
antipace=3D3D20<BR>> > =20
=3D3D3D<BR>>thing.<BR>&am p;gt;I'm getting pretty good at =
it. I have=20
=3D3D<BR>> >Mec 1=3D3D20<BR>> > loaded =
with cards=20
attached<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>t o what has =3D3D<BR>> =
>always<BR>>been Card A=3D3D20<BR>> > =
for three=20
years. Can that change? Paris works fine with =3D3D<BR>>
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Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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amp;nbsp;=20
><DIV><FONT=3D3D20<BR>> > =20
face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> > =3D3D<BR>> =
>size=3D3D3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT>&am p;lt;/DIV><BR>>=20
=3D3D20<BR>> > <DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> > =20
size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&a mp;gt;<BR>> =
=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I =
choose=20
=3D3D<BR>> >Polesoft Lockspam=3D3D20<BR>> =
> to fight=20
=3D3D3D<BR>>spam, and=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> you?<BR><A=3D3D3D20<BR>&a mp;gt; =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>=3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20 <BR>> =
> =20
=3D3D<BR>> =20
=
=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://=
www.polesoft.com/re=3D<BR>>fer=3D3D<BR>> =20
=
=3D<BR>>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.pol=
esoft.com/refer</A=3D3D=3D<BR>><BR>> =20
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>.html&l t;/A>=3D3D20 <BR>> =
> =20
=3D3D<BR>> =20
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></FONT></DIV></BL OCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B=
ODY&=3D3D<BR>> =20
=
>gt;=3D3D3D<BR>></HTML&am p;gt;<BR>><BR>>&am p;lt;=
BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>&a mp;lt;/HTML=3D3D <BR>> =20
>><BR>> ><BR>> =20
><BR>><BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML =
4.0=20
Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>><META=20
http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
=3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
6.00.2800.1400"=20
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name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE> <BR>></HEA=
D><BR>><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>Well=20
here's what is=20
=
=3D<BR>>happening.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT=
=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I looked very closely at the pins on =
=3D<BR>>the=20
scsi=3D20<BR>>cables and=20
noticed</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>a slightly bent one or two on almost =3D<BR>>half of=20
them=3D20<BR>>(5). I think=20
it's</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>from being careless about pushing them<BR>=3D<BR>>in. =
I=3D20<BR>>straightened=20
them</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>perfectly and yet still no luck with=20
=3D<BR>>booting=3D20<BR>>Paris. "No interface=20
attached</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>to the Master Card" is the =3D<BR>>message. I'm=20
only=3D20<BR>>using one mec to=20
test.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I also tried the 442. Once in a =3D<BR>>while =
the=3D20<BR>>Magma=20
wouldn't turn on with =
the</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>442 attached. I think that is =
=3D<BR>>because of=20
the=3D20<BR>>bent pins. That's good=20
of</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>the Magma. </FONT><FONT=20
=3D<BR>>face=3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>size=3D3D2>I've tried all =
five cards, removed=20
the A card and swapped=20
it=3D20<BR>></FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>with another </FONT><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial<BR>=3D<BR>>size=3D3D2>still=3D20 <BR>>no luck.=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I'm lost in this quagmire now. =3D<BR>>I'm not=20
even=3D20<BR>>pissed about the busted=20
mec</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>at this point. I want an answer =3D<BR>>to what=20
is=3D20<BR>>going on. The default project=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>is looking for external word clock so =3D<BR>>that's=20
my=3D20<BR>>only choice although=20
I</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>have tried it with no Lucid attached =3D<BR>>with the =
=
same=3D20<BR>>results.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><=
FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I think I'll call=20
=
Edmund.</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 <BR>>style=3D=
3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=20
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
#000000 2px=20
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln"=20
<<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com</A'>mai=
lto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com</A</A>>&g=
t;=3D<BR>>=20
wrote=3D20<BR>> in message <A=3D20<BR>> =
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:469708c8$1@linux">news:469708c8$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>That=
'>news:469708c8$1@linux">news:469708c8$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
;<BR>That</A>=3D<BR>>=20
kinda=3D20<BR>> totally sucks. =
Sorry.<BR>rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl"=20
<<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto=
:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>&g=
t; =20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>&a mp;lt;BR>>Hey =
Rod,<BR>>Ya I've=20
been swapping =3D<BR>>things out=3D20<BR>> to no end just =
to be=20
sure.<BR>>I even had trouble getting it going=20
=3D<BR>>with=3D20<BR>> internal clock which =
ruled<BR>>out the=20
Lucid in my =
=3D<BR> >mind.<BR>><BR>&am p;gt;The=3D20 <BR>> =20
latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at all with other=20
=3D<BR>>Mecs<BR>>being=3D20<BR >> the master. In =
the process I=20
smoked the original Mec =
=3D<BR>>A<BR>>because=3D20<BR >> the=20
SCSI cable was half in at start up. I heard a =
=3D<BR>>crack<BR>>and=20
then=3D20<BR>> the smell of burning chips. It still powers up =
but it's=20
=3D<BR>>out<BR>>of=3D20<BR>> the picture now. =
Loaded with=20
modules too.<BR>><BR>>Now =
=3D<BR>>nothing=3D20<BR>> =20
gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll=20
try<BR>>that=3D20<BR>> next. I have a local engineer =
coming=20
over to see =
=3D<BR>>what=3D3D20<BR>>Paris=3D20 <BR>> can do.=20
He's very well respected in these parts.<BR>>To bad =
=3D<BR>>I'm=20
down=3D20<BR>> for the count it=20
seems.<BR>>Ass<BR>> ;<BR>> "Rod Lincoln"=20
=3D<BR>><<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&a=
mp;g'>mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</=
A>&g</A>=3D<BR>>t;=3D20<BR>> =20
wrote in message=20
=
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>news:4696c93b$1@linux...<BR>><B=
R>>=20
Tom,=3D20<BR>> have you done anything to rule out the =
possibility that=20
it may=3D20<BR>> be<BR>=3D3D<BR>>a =
funky<BR>> MEC=20
word clock connection, or =3D<BR>>perhaps the=3D20<BR>> =
Lucid clock is=20
flakey. Or =3D3D<BR>>even<BR>> ; a bad mogami=20
=3D<BR>>wordclock=3D20<BR>> cable (I know that's a =
longshot,=20
but=3D20<BR>> =20
anything's<BR>=3D3D<BR>>p ossible)<BR>> Just a=20
=3D<BR>>thought.<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =
Rod<BR>> "Tom=20
Bruhl" <<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto=
:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>&g=
t; =20
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =
=3D20<BR>> =20
>Deej,<BR>> >Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris=20
=3D<BR>>about five=3D20<BR>> times total in=20
the<BR>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D& amp;lt;BR>> >last day and =
=3D<BR>>a=3D20<BR>> half.<BR>> >I am close to =
starting=20
from scratch and =3D<BR>>possibly doing=3D20<BR>> the =
antipace=20
=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>& ;gt; >thing.<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>I'm=3D20<BR>> getting pretty good at it. I =
have Mec 1=20
loaded with cards=3D20<BR>> =
=3D3D<BR>>attached<BR>&am p;gt;=20
=3D3D3D<BR>> >to what has=3D20<BR>> =
always<BR>>=20
>been Card A for three years. Can that change?=20
=3D<BR>>Paris=3D20<BR>> works fine with=20
=3D3D<BR>>just<BR>> ; =3D3D3D<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>that=3D20<BR>> one. I'll =
try=3D3D3D20<BR>> >all=20
the others in that =3D<BR>>position=3D20<BR>> just to see=20
though.<BR>> ><BR>> >I am close to=20
=3D<BR>><BR>> starting from scratch and possibly doing the =
antipace=3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>& ;gt; =
>thing. How=20
could that=3D20<BR>> be=3D3D3D20<BR>> >the evil =
that won't=20
allow hardware to show =3D<BR>><BR>> up?<BR>>=20
>Thanks,<BR>> >Tom<BR>> =3D<BR>>>=20
=3D20<BR>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> =
wrote in=20
message=3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>>=20
>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> =3D<BR>>> =
Have=3D20<BR>> =20
you tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did you=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =
>iuninstall/reinstall Paris=20
yet?<BR>> =3D<BR>>> "Tom=3D20<BR>> Bruhl" =
<<A=20
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto=
:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>&g=
t; =20
wrote in message =3D3D3D<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> =
=3D20<BR>> > Sorry=20
to shout but this is driving me=3D20<BR>> =
insane.<BR>>=20
><BR>> > I am =3D<BR>>working=3D20<BR>> =
with a cloned=20
drive that used to work with<BR>> =3D20<BR>> > 2 =
Mecs and=20
WC. Now no matter what I do, I =3D<BR>>can=3D20<BR>> =
not<BR>>=20
> get a second Mec to show up =3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>> =
receive clock.=20
It<BR>> > doesn't =3D<BR>>matter if=3D20<BR>> =
it's at the=20
end of the line or anywhere<BR>> =3D<BR>>> =
=3D20<BR>> =20
else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked =
or=3D20<BR>> =20
externally<BR>> > clocked. I've =
=3D<BR>>changed=3D20<BR>> =20
Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables<BR>> > =3D<BR>>and=20
no=3D20<BR>> changes. I've even tried a reinstall of=20
Paris.<BR>> =3D20<BR>> > Same deal. =
=3D3D3D20<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>><BR>> =3D20<BR>> > I must be doing =
something=20
totally wrong for =3D<BR>>this to=3D20<BR>> =
continue.<BR>>=20
> The only thing else I =3D<BR>>can think=3D20<BR>> to =
try is=20
swapping the last=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>> EDS =
card=3D20<BR>> =20
with another or go down to four. Maybe it's<BR>> =
=3D20<BR>> =20
> card 5? Or, triple check the connectors =
=3D<BR>>between=3D20<BR>> =20
all the cards<BR>> > =3D<BR>>again.<BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> ><BR>> > All EDS cards are up and=20
=3D<BR>>running and=3D20<BR>> play audio with Paris=20
=3D3D<BR>>effects.<BR>&am p;gt; =3D<BR>>> =
=3D20<BR>> All 5=20
cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.<BR>> =
=3D20<BR>> >=20
What else is there?<BR>> =3D20<BR>> > =
Sadly,<BR>>=20
> =3D20<BR>> Tom<BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>> =3D20<BR>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight spam, and=20
you?<BR>> =3D20<BR>> > <A=3D20<BR>> =20
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>=3D<BR>>.html</A>=20
=3D20<BR>> =3D3D20<BR>> ><BR>> =
><!DOCTYPE HTML=20
PUBLIC =3D<BR>>"-//W3C//DTD=3D20<BR>> HTML 4.0=20
Transitional//EN"><BR>> =3D20<BR>> =20
><HTML><HEAD><BR&a mp;gt;> =
><META=3D20<BR>> =20
http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D3D"text/html;=20
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>charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>> ><META=20
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><STYLE></STYLE><B R>>=20
=3D<BR> >></HEAD><BR>& gt; =3D20<BR>> =
><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>><DIV><FONT=3D20 <BR>> =
face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
=
=3D<BR> >size=3D3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT>& ;lt;/DIV><BR>>=
=20
=3D20<BR>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Ya,=20
I've =3D<BR>>uninstalled,=3D20<BR>> =
=3D3D<BR>>reinstalled=20
Paris<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>> =
=3D<BR>>>about=3D20<BR>> =20
five=3D3D3D20<BR>> >times total in the last day and=20
a=3D20<BR>> half.</FONT></DIV><BR& ;gt;>=20
><DIV><FONT=3D20<BR>> face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>I am=20
close to starting from =
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>scratch=3D20 <BR>> =20
and<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>possibly=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
>doing=3D20<BR>> the=20
antipace thing.</FONT></DIV><BR&am p;gt;> =
=3D20<BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>I'm =
getting=20
=3D<BR>>pretty good=3D20<BR>> at it.=20
I<BR>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D&am p;lt;BR>> >have Mec=20
=3D<BR>>1=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> >loaded =
with cards=20
attached to what has=3D20<BR>> =20
always</FONT></DIV><BR&am p;gt;>=20
><DIV><FONT=3D20<BR>> face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>been=20
Card A for three years.=3D20<BR>> =20
Can<BR>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D& amp;lt;BR>> >that=20
=3D<BR>>change?=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =
>Paris works fine=20
with just that one. I'll try=3D20<BR>> =20
</FONT></DIV><BR>& amp;gt; ><DIV><FONT=20
=3D<BR>>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D3D2>all =
the others in=20
that =
=3D<BR> >=3D3D<BR>></FONT> <FONT=3D20 <BR>> =20
=3D3D3D<BR>> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20<BR>> ;=20
=3D20<BR>> >size=3D3D3D3D2>position just to =
see=3D20<BR>> =20
though.</FONT></DIV><BR&a mp;gt;> ><DIV><FONT =
=3D<BR>><BR>> face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
=3D<BR>></DIV><BR>> =3D20<BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>I am close to=20
=3D<BR>>starting=3D20<BR>> from =3D3D<BR>>scratch =
and<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =20
>possibly=3D3D3D20<BR>> >doing the antipace thing. How=20
=3D<BR>>could that=3D20<BR>> be=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>& amp;gt;=20
><DIV><FONT=3D20<BR>> face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>the=20
evil that won't allow =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>hardware =
to=3D20<BR>> =20
=3D3D3D<BR>> >show=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D20<BR>> =20
>up?</FONT></DIV>< BR>> ><DIV><FONT =
=3D<BR>><BR>> face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
=
=3D<BR> >size=3D3D3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT>&a mp;lt;/DIV><BR>&g=
t;=20
=3D20<BR>> ><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =20
size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&a mp;gt;<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>> =20
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>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=20
=3D<BR>>0px;=3D20<BR>> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px;=20
=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>& ;gt; =3D20<BR>> =
>BORDER-LEFT:=20
#000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: =3D<BR>>0px"><BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> > <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ =
dot _=20
net> =3D<BR>>wrote in=3D20<BR>> message <A=20
=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>& ;gt; ><BR>> =
=3D<BR>>>=20
=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>> =20
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=3D<BR>>href=3D3D'news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</=
A>...</DIV'>news:46=3D<BR>>96229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1=
@linux</A>...</DIV</A>&am p;gt;<BR>=3D <BR>>>=20
=3D20<BR>> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2>Have =3D<BR>>you tested=3D20<BR>> each =
MEC=20
=3D3D3D<BR>> >individually? I'd =
=3D<BR>>start=3D3D3D20<BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> > there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall=20
Paris=3D20<BR>> yet?</FONT></DIV><BR& gt;> =
>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>> =
dir=3D3D3D3Dltr=3D3D3D20<BR>> >=20
=3D<BR>>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=3D20<BR>> =
PADDING-LEFT: 5px;=20
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;<BR>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D <BR>>=20
=3D<BR>><BR>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; =
MARGIN-RIGHT:=20
=3D<BR>>0px"><BR>> =3D20<BR>> > =
<DIV>"Tom Bruhl"=20
=3D<BR> ><<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> >=20
href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>> =20
=
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net&l=
t;/A'>mailto:arpegi=3D<BR>>o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net<=
;/A</A>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>& ;gt; >wrote =
in=3D3D3D20<BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> > message <A =3D3D3D<BR>>=20
=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>> =20
=
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D'news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>=
;...</DIV'>news:4695d5=3D<BR>>bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux&l=
t;/A>...</DIV</A>>< ;BR>>&nbs=3D <BR>>p;=3D20=
<BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
=3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2>Sorry=3D20<BR>> to shout but =
this is=20
=3D3D<BR>>driving<BR>& ;gt; =
=3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> >me=3D3D3D20<BR>> > =
=3D20<BR>> =20
insane.</FONT></DIV><BR&a mp;gt;> > =
=3D20<BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20<BR>> =
</DIV><BR>> >=20
<DIV><FONT=3D20<BR>> face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>I am=20
working with a cloned =
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>drive=3D20<BR >> =20
=3D3D3D<BR>> >that used to=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D<BR>>>=20
=3D20<BR>> work with</FONT></DIV><BR& gt;>=20
=3D<BR>>> =3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC.=3D20<BR>> =20
=
</FONT><FONT<BR>=3D3D& ;lt;BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> >face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20<BR>> ; > =
=3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2>Now=3D20<BR>> no matter what I =
do, I can=20
not</FONT></DIV><BR&g t;> =3D20<BR>> >=20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
=3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2>get=20
a=3D20<BR>> second Mec to show =
up<BR>=3D3D<BR>>and=20
=3D3D3D<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =
>receive=3D3D3D20<BR>> >=20
clock.=3D20<BR>> It</FONT></DIV><BR> ;> =
>=20
=3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>doesn't=20
matter if =3D<BR>>it's at=3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>the =
end=20
=3D3D3D<BR>> >of the =
=3D<BR>>line=3D3D3D20<BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> > or=20
=3D<BR> >anywhere</FONT></DIV>&am p;lt;BR>> =
=3D20<BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
=3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2>else.=3D20<BR>> It doesn't =
matter if=20
=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>& ;gt; =
=3D<BR>>>it's=3D3D3D20<BR>>=20
=3D20<BR>> > internally clocked or=3D20<BR>> =20
externally</FONT></DIV><B R>> =3D<BR>>>=20
=3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2>clocked. I've =3D<BR>>changed=3D20<BR>> =20
Mecs,<BR>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3 D<BR>> >clock=20
=3D<BR>>cables,=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> > =
SCSI=20
=3D<BR> >cables</FONT></DIV>& lt;BR>> =
=3D20<BR>> >=20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
=3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2>and=20
no=3D20<BR>> changes. I've even =
=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>& ;gt;=20
>tried =3D<BR>>a=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> > =
reinstall=20
of=3D20<BR>> Paris.</FONT></DIV><BR&am p;gt;> =
>=20
=3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Same=20
deal.=3D20<BR>> </FONT></DIV><BR>& amp;gt; >=20
=3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20<BR>> =
</DIV><BR>> >=20
<DIV><FONT=3D20<BR>> face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>I must=20
be doing something =
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>totally=3D20 <BR>> =20
=3D3D3D<BR>> >wrong for=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D<BR>>>=20
this=3D20<BR>> to =
continue.</FONT></DIV><BR >>=20
=3D<BR>>> =3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D3D2>The only thing =3D<BR>>else I =
can=3D20<BR>> =20
=3D3D<BR>>think to<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>>=20
>try=3D20<BR>> is=3D3D3D20<BR>> > swapping the =
last=3D20<BR>> </FONT></DIV><BR>& amp;gt; >=20
=3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>EDS=20
card with =3D<BR>>another or=3D20<BR>> =20
go<BR>=3D3D<BR>>down to<BR>> =
=3D3D3D<BR>>=20
>four.=3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20<BR>> > =
Maybe=3D20<BR>> =20
it's</FONT></DIV><BR& gt;> > =3D20<BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>card 5? Or,=20
=3D<BR>>triple check=3D20<BR>> =20
the<BR>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D& amp;lt;BR>>=20
=3D<BR> >>connectors=3D3D3D20<BR>> ; =3D20<BR>> =
> between=20
all the=3D20<BR>> =
cards</FONT></DIV><BR& ;gt;> >=20
=3D20<BR>> <DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =20
size=3D3D3D3D2>again.</FONT></DI V><
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