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| Re: OT - School Shootings and antidepressants movie [message #83678 is a reply to message #83626] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 20:23   |
Sarah
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ut from an integration/workflow standpoint,
> you're going to have fewer workarounds, but not eliminate them completely
> unless you go with the horsepower that is available to a dual quad Mac
> running Logic or Digital Performer. If you go with a Mac and the hardware I
> have described, then add another 3500.00 - 4 K to the price of the native
> system.
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> Things are getting ready to change pretty drastically in the near future
> too, but for now, this is what you've got to work with if you want a 24
> analog I/O with an additional 20 digital I/O native system that will achieve
> the same performance level as Paris.
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> Deej
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> Deej.
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> Now for the native system, add 4 x UAD-1's and another 13 slot Magma to hold
> them and for the Paris system, whatever hardware and software you think
> would give you the same mojo. With Paris, you would have to alocate your
> hardware, *per submix*, with native, you would have it avaliable for the
> whole system.
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> Much less to deal with by way of workarounds with Native. Much more
> expensive to get the same kind of sound.
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> I'm finding that without the benefit of a monster computer, I see no point
> in going native
> "Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:464b480a$1@linux...
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>>I saw you had a few issues (Hard drive Raid issues etc...) awhile back,
>>but
>>are you happy with the new system. Are you glad you moved? How bad was
>>the learning curve - any good books / DVD's etc. that helped?
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>>What is the setup that you settled on and are you still using the portico
>>across the mains ...
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>>I have Cubase SX 3 (Don N. helped me connetct it with Paris at one point)
>>- but I still always find myself back with Paris as it's so easy to
>>track
>>in and mix in. Lack of time due to family and day job add to that!
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>>And thanks for all the info your always providing....
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>It will distribute whatever clock is is fed. I can use it at 96k here (since
that's the limit of what I have - or would want).
;o)
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:464ba03f@linux...
> Deej,
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> DOes the Genx6 limit you to 48K or can it distribute higher sample rates?
>
> JH
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>> From my own personal standpoint, it's hard to compare apples to apples
>> but these are the tradeoffs as I see them:
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>> Paris had the advantage when tracking due to zero latency
>> Native can do this in another way with ASIO direct monitoring but you
>> will needa MADI rig or Furman HDS-16 for large sessions
>> Native is much better when it comes to integrating plugins like UAD-1
>> Native requires much more horsepower if you want to run it in low latency
>> mode like Paris-think dual socket mobo/dual core CPU
>> Native has higher sample rates available - Paris does not
>> Native does not have submix issues if you use the proper hardware-if you
>> don't, it definitely will when tracking (see references to Furman cue
>> system)
>> Native integrates VSTi's , but will require a separate computer right now
>> to run heavy VSTi track counts because of Windows memory limitations so
>> that's not much different than Paris. The cure for this would be either
>> to use a monster Mac or wait for the Vista suckage to be resolved...if
>> ever.
>> Native has control surfaces available with automated faders and cool
>> goodies like that.
>> Native has great midi and some incredible flexiility as far as editing
>> and manipulating of audio tempo, etc.
>> It's nice being able to integrate everything on one machine for mixing.
>> There *is* a learning curve, but it's a fun one (for me). I still use the
>> Neve 5042. I think I would not like the sound of Cubase 4 *for my
>> purposes*, without it.
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>> I think Paris sounds better right out of the box. Without a monster
>> computer and a tape emulator, native doesn't = Paris, IMO. With these
>> items, it can, and does. Cost wise, the more I/O, the greater the cost
>> differential between the two systems. To recreate my native system with
>> as many I/O as my Paris s
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| Re: OT - School Shootings and antidepressants movie [message #83714 is a reply to message #83678] |
Thu, 26 April 2007 01:23 |
Sarah
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>>> http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/05/10.18.shtml
>>>
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2005/05/10/apples-patented-the-table t-mac/
>>>
>>> OWC's ModBook
>>>
>>> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ModBook
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01/04/owc/index.php
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> When they gonna make a tablet?
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4649e911$1@linux...
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>>>>
>>>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=18032&am p;pagtype=allchandate
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>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
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>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762Paul -
To catch you up on some of the nameless folk in the AES pictures, in
the shot with Gene Lennon is John Roper. In the shot with Morgan, TCB,
and a little piece of me (I take several shots to complete) is Delon
Dotson and Chris Ludwig. Finally, the two fellas in the shot with me
are Brian Porick and Kerry Hays.
Also, I mention here that Sakis and I have the same birth date, so we
call each other brother. However, while he got all the looks, I got
the flair for loud shirts!
- DOPE (Da Otha Paul, Eh!)
Ellicott City, Maryland
On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:16:48 -0500, Paul Braun
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| Re: OT - School Shootings and antidepressants movie [message #83724 is a reply to message #83714] |
Thu, 26 April 2007 07:46 |
Deej [4]
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>>> (859) 635-5762
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>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762Hi Jeff,
That's a good question. VirtualBox and VMWare support USB devices. I never
thought about that much because my printers are all network printers, and
I don't have a scanner anymore :-)
You can share the printer on the physical machine and connect to it from
the VM, but I don't know what to do about a scanner.
Chuck
Chuck
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>chuck (and Thad),
>
>Any of VM options recognize USB devices? I'm running VPC 2007 and my
>understanding is it won't actually poll and grab USB printers/ scanners/
>etc.
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>JH
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>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> Here are some practical examples of why I use a VM exclusively for all
desktop
>> apps.
>>
>> The entire file system of the virtual machine is contained in a virtual
hard
>> disk, which is a single physical disk file. All of my corporate applications,
>> including Office, Email, etc are installed on this VM. This file can
be
>> moved freely from physical machine to machine. Software is installed
only
>> once. Software is authorized only once. This brings several advantages:
>>
>> 1. I can back up my entire machine by simply copying this file to an external
>> hard drive, an operation that takes 7 minutes on my machine. I copy the
>> VM from my primary work laptop to my home desktop machine every night.
If
>> anything were to happen to my laptop, I could be back up and running on
a
>> new laptop by simply copying the file.
>>
>> 2. I can move this file to any of my other machines. For example... I
have
>> an ultralight laptop that I use for travel. It weighs 4 lbs and is very
>> small. I move the virtual hard disk file to this machine, and my complete
>> desktop environment including all applications and files is ready for
action.
>> I have a kick ass multi-monitor desktop at home at my desk. When I want
>> to use that machine - same thing, copy over a file.
>>
>> 3. Testing software... I backup the virtual machine, then am free to install
>> and test anything I want, including virus infected malware without any
risk.
>> If the wheels come off I simply shut down the virtual machine and restart
>> from the backup.
>>
>> etc. etc. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What's the advantage of running a virtual machine? I don't get
>>>that sort of thing at all - how does it differ from a regular
>>>PC setup?
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I agree wholeheartedly with Chuck. VMWare is probably the best option
in
>>>
>>>terms
>>>
>>>>of features and quality, it works with damn near a
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| Re: OT - School Shootings and antidepressants movie [message #83741 is a reply to message #83678] |
Thu, 26 April 2007 20:17 |
Bill L
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aul-williams051107.htm" target="_blank">http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its
preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
"FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and
hated
and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs
nothing
to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
timid."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
"The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the brave."
-- Ronald Reagan
"The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the
active,
the brave." -- Patrick Henry
"The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home of
the brave."-- Rick Gaber
"Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." --
Winston Churchill
Guidance,
RichYou have mail from my PARISPRO email account
AA
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:jn6p43949k39almkjd8f954g2s5vk85jjc@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:03:40 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>Ditto.. I sent a batch of 'em and didn't hear back/didn't see 'em on the
>>website.. did those make it?
>>
>>AA
>>
>
> hmmmm..... didn't make it. Try the pbraun at ctgonline dot org thing
> and if I don't see anything in the next day or so, I'll send you my
> work address.
>
> pabI can get one of these at a good price with no pwr supply included. Can
anyone tell me what kind of pwr supply this is, basic wall-wart, how many
pins on the connector, voltages...etc?
Thank you much.
RobPaul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>Sweet. Can't wait to hear it.
OK, then... here it is:
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/SedationClip-basictrax.m p3
This is NOT mixed, these are just basic tracks, with a couple
of minor tweaks. This clip isn't too long (less than 2 minutes,
IIRC) here's the signal chain rundown:
Drums were my Yammy Kit, and we opted for the Joey Jordisson
model snare mic'ed with...
Kick = Audix D6/Chandler TG2
Snare = Audix D5/Chandler TG2
Hat = Earthworks TC30/Focusrite ISA 428
Toms = Audix D4's/MOTU 8Pre
OH's = B.L.U.E. Bluebirds/Mucusrite ISA 428
Bass was a Spector 4 string with EMG P'ups through an Ampeg
SVT-450 with the classic Ampeg 8x10 cab; mic'ed as follows:
Topmost right side speaker = Rode K2/Avalon 737SP
(6db boost at 3k & 10k on the Avalon, no compression going in)
Left speaker 1 row down from the top = TLM-103/Focusrite ISA 428
Guitar was my Epi Les Paul Standard through the following
configurations:
1st Pass.. y-split into two separate amps...
* Randall solid-state head into Randall 4x12 cab, mic'ed with:
Bottom left speaker = SM-57/Great River MP2NV, xfrmrs loaded
Bottom Right speaker = B.L.U.E. Ball/Grace 101
* My Line6 SpiderII 1x12 Combo set on standard "Crunch" model,
mic'ed with:
Audix i5/Focusrite Red8
Sennheiser e609 Silver/Great River MP2NV, transformers loaded
2nd pass (doubling the first pass) was my Sovtek 50W Tube Midget
head into a Celestion 2x12 cab, mic'ed with:
Audix i5/Focusrite Red8
B.L.U.E. Ball/Grace 101
Everything went straight into the analog in's on my main RME
Multiface except for the ISA 428, which I have the digi i/o
card for, and so that went into the lightpipe in's on the main
Multiface, and for the MOTU 8-Pre I used the lightpipe out into
the 2nd Multiface.
What you're hearing on the tracks as far as processing goes is:
Kick = some multiband comp, no EQ of any kind
Snare = Paris VST EQ... a little 5k & 10k boost
Toms = Paris VST EQ... a bit of a 7k boost
Guitars = Cut about 7db @ 100hz on the 2 Randall cab channels
That's it! Everything else is just as it went to track.
Enjoy.
Neilchuck,
Thanks for the reply. I'll give one of the other two a try on the USB
side. I've gotten into this whole "get rid of the file cabinet and
image it all" thing, so I am constantly needed access to my scanner.
JH
> Hi Jeff,
>
> That's a good question. VirtualBox and VMWare support USB devices. I never
> thought about that much because my printers are all network printers, and
> I don't have a scanner anymore :-)
>
> You can share the printer on the physical machine and connect to it from
> the VM, but I don't know what to do about a scanner.
>
> Chuck
>
> Chuck
>
> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>chuck (and Thad),
>>
>>Any of VM options recognize USB devices? I'm running VPC 2007 and my
>>understanding is it won't actually poll and grab USB printers/ scanners/
>
>
>>etc.
>>
>>JH
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi Neil,
>>>
>>>Here are some practical examples of why I use a VM exclusively for all
>
> desktop
>
>>>apps.
>>>
>>>The entire file system of the virtual machine is contained in a virtual
>
> hard
>
>>>disk, which is a single physical disk file. All of my corporate applications,
>>>including Office, Email, etc are installed on this VM. This file can
>
> be
>
>>>moved freely from physical machine to machine. Software is installed
>
> only
>
>>>once. Software is authorized only once. This brings several advantages:
>>>
>>>1. I can back up my entire machine by simply copying this file to an external
>>>hard drive, an operation that takes 7 minutes on my machine. I copy the
>>>VM from my primary work laptop to my home desktop machine every night.
>
> If
>
>>>anything were to happen to my laptop, I could be back up and running on
>
> a
>
>>>new laptop by simply copying the file.
>>>
>>>2. I can move this file to any of my other machines. For example... I
>
> have
>
>>>an ultralight laptop that I use for travel. It weighs 4 lbs and is very
>>>small. I move the virtual hard disk file to this machine, and my complete
>>>desktop environment including all applications and files is ready for
>
> action.
>
>>> I have a kick ass multi-monitor desktop at home at my desk. When I want
>>>to use that machine - same thing, copy over a file.
>>>
>>>3. Testing software... I backup the virtual machine, then am free to install
>>>and test anything I want, including virus infected malware without any
>
> risk.
>
>>> If the wheels come off I simply shut down the virtual machine and restart
>>>from the backup.
>>>
>>>etc. etc. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What's the advantage of running a virtual machine? I don't get
>>>>that sort of thing at all - how does it differ from a regular
>>>>PC setup?
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@is
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| Re: OT - School Shootings and antidepressants movie [message #83755 is a reply to message #83741] |
Fri, 27 April 2007 02:59 |
Sarah
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1) How long did the Hundred Years War last? 116 years
2) Which country makes Panama hats? Ecuador
3) From which animal do we get cat gut? Sheep and Horses
4) In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?
November
5) What is a camel's hair brush made of? Squirrel fur
6) The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal? Dogs
7) What was King George VI's first name? Albert
8) What colour is a purple finch? Crimson
9) Where are Chinese gooseberries from? New Zealand
10) What is the colour of the black box in a commercial airplane?
Orange, of course.Mark and Jeff . . . duh . . . it never even occured to me there might be
Portland Paris-ites here. I will definitely let you guys know. It may be
awhile with new players to add and everybody working full time..
S
"Mark McDermott" <nospam@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
news:464c94a5$1@linux...
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> Hey Sarah & Jeff,
>
> Too bad Sarah missed our first (and only) Portland PARIS User Group
> meeting.
>
> I definitely want to come out to see you Sarah. Haven't heard the CD but
> from everyone's comments it sounds like I'll love it.
>
> Jeff, I'm playing with Probable Cause this Friday night at Pyzano's in
> Aloha.
> I know you're an east-side guy so it's probably too far to go, but they
> love
> the band there.
>
> Sarah, please let us know where you'll be and I'll arrange to be there.
>
> Have a great day all!
>
> Mark
>
> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>Sarah
>>
>>Let us know where the gigs are... There are a few of us local.
>>
>>
>>JH
>>
>>wrote:
>>> Well, thank you Gantt. We did, of course, expect you to love it, since
> we
>>> do. We expect everyone to love it. :)
>>>
>>> How long? Well, it actually represents a few years of "spare time"
>>> interrupted by floods, remodellings, and deaths in families, including
> the
>>> very unfortunate and far too young death of our violinist. When we
>>> finished
>
>>> the CD, however, I took the session logs and figured out how much time
> we
>>> actually spent in the studio. I calculated that it was about 7 months
> worth
>>> of work spread out over about 5 years. We were busy . . . I was in
>>> nursing
>
>>> school, the other Sarah was touring the world playing flute, and Rich
> and
>>> Ryan were in other bands and teaching.
>>>
>>> We're cruising on #2, though. Already have about half the demos done.
> I
>>> expect the new CD out this fall, tentatively titled "Angel Food."
>>>
>>> We're in Portland OR. And . . . at the urging of my fellow bandmates,
> I
>>> have agreed to start rehearsals for some live gigs. I don't know about
> "the
>>> road," but we'll definitely do some "shows" here.
>>>
>>> Yes, "Chopsticks For Enya." I think Enya should hear that. She might
> like
>>> it. It's a loving parody. :)
>>>
>>> Thank you again, Gantt
>>>
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:464b7786$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Hey Sarah! I just bought your CD to be nice, OK?
>>>>
>>>>I didn't expect to love it.
>>>>
>>>>But that's some seriously great stuff! Great tunes, great sounds, great
>>>>performances... How long did it take to finish? Where are you located?
>>>>Do ever take this show on the road?
>>>>
>>>>Chopsticks For Enya?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>I'm withya on the I-support thing Aaron. My wifes Inspiron went tu twice.
The tech answered with such Swaharian swank that I literally had to get a
threepeat of every word, separated by air space to understand the dude --
who called himself "Jimmy." Right.... JIMMY... and you live on Iowa Street
in Ferndale, India.
Never again... bye Dell, so long, happy 'trials' support 'gurus'.
WMW
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:464c9a42@linux...
> FWIW, the problems I've seen are that the financial services are heartless
> and uncaring, and they have pulled this kind of nonsense before. I have a
> client that will 'never' do Dell again, even if it costs more to go
> elsewhere because of the treatment she recieved on a server purchase for
> her small business. The machines are fine, the support, depending on what
> level you bought can range from "what did you just say, sorry I can't
> understand Hindu" to "absolutely beautiful". Bottom line is if you buy the
> cheap support, you get India. This model has options, so it's really
> incumbent upon the purchaser if they don't want India to buy a better
> plan. The repair varies greatly because they contract to local
> businesses - which I think is a great model because it speeds things up,
> they have criteria that the local shops must meet, and that employs local
> workers in each city, town and state.
>
> AA
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:464c6b8a$1@linux...
>>
>> Hopefully Michael Dell can get them straitened out again.
>>
>> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070517/D8P646980.html
>
>That's a really good question, Gantt, and I'm open to suggestions. I
usually answer one of three ways:
1. Uh . . . rock, I guess?
2. Neo-psychedelic hard jazzy new age folk rock show tunes
3. I have no idea.
I could say "eclectic," but that's about as helpful as "I have no idea."
Maybe it's children's music. My doctor, my neice, and my co-producer all
have grade schoolers who are fans. :)
S
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:464c549c$1@linux...
>
> When you go to book the band and they ask, "What kind of music do you?"
> what
> will you say?
>
> I found it to be totally uncategorizeable... I heard echos of The
> Beatles,
> Led Zeppelin, Enya, arrangements occasionally reminiscent of Steely Dan,
> New Orleans jazz, old country blues. Whew!
>
> Gantt
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>Well, thank you Gantt. We did, of course, expect you to love it, since
> we
>>do. We expect everyone to love it. :)
>>
>>How long? Well, it actually represents a few years of "spare time"
>>interrupted by floods, remodellings, and deaths in families, including the
>
>>very unfortunate and far too young death of our violinist. When we
>>finished
>
>>the CD, however, I took the session logs and figured out how much time we
>
>>actually spent in the studio. I calculated that it was about 7 months
>>worth
>
>>of work spread out over about 5 years. We were busy . . . I was in
>>nursing
>
>>school, the other Sarah was touring the world playing flute, and Rich and
>
>>Ryan were in other bands and teaching.
>>
>>We're cruising on #2, though. Already have about half the demos done.
> I
>>expect the new CD out this fall, tentatively titled "Angel Food."
>>
>>We're in Portland OR. And . . . at the urging of my fellow bandmates, I
>
>>have agreed to start rehearsals for some live gigs. I don't know about
> "the
>>road," but we'll definitely do some "shows" here.
>>
>>Yes, "Chopsticks For Enya." I think Enya should hear that. She might
>>like
>
>>it. It's a loving parody. :)
>>
>>Thank you again, Gantt
>>
>>Sarah
>I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for all
one's own freedoms are increased.
“Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
There is no other price actually.”
— L. RON HUBBARD
Rich Lamanna wrote:
> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames. Why the
> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>
> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>
> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>
> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its
> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>
> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>
> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and
> hated
> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs
> nothing
> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>
> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
> timid."
> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>
> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the brave."
> -- Ronald Reagan
>
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Fri, 27 April 2007 05:50 |
Bill L
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his mouth;
and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will invent
cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every
man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently
study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will
by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the
better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." -
Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or
democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and
knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial
and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so
that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. Eisenhower,
1961
"...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of
our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those
illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is
certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it
results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." - Ronald
Reagan
"You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go
to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a Greek, or
whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live in
America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger
even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that
right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the
Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that
a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a
higher-grade race has come in and taken their place." - Winston Churchill
(who apparently never said that thing about liberal/conservative heart/brain
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12 )
"Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
"Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids. Eat
them!" - Homer Simpson
"Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest sign from Simpsons
episode
Courage,
Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:464ce932@linux...
> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames. Why
> the
> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>
> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>
> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>
> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in
> its
> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>
> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>
> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and
> hated
> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it
> costs
> nothing
> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>
> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
> timid."
> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>
> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
> brave."
> -- Ronald Reagan
>
> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the
> active,
> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>
> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home of
> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>
> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." --
> Winston Churchill
>
> Guidance,
> Rich
>
>
>Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment. Unfortunately
the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I hold
dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
theocratic rubbish upon us.
Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a
search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and children.
But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God no,
despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and practicing
for violent Jihad.
Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
"By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the DC
"sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to the
group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl
was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom of
religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice to
exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better keep an
eye on these guys.
Rich
From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464d8d4f@linux...
> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>
> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>
> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for all
> one's own freedoms are increased.
>
> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
> There is no other price actually.”
> — L. RON HUBBARD
>
>
>
>
> Rich Lamanna wrote:
> > You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames. Why
the
> > heck not welcome some more illegals.
> >
> > http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
> >
> > "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
> >
> > "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in
its
> > preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
> >
> > "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
> > Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
> >
> > "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
and
> > hated
> > and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it
costs
> > nothing
> > to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
> >
> > "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
> > timid."
> > -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
> >
> > "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
brave."
> > -- Ronald Reagan
> >
> > "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the
> > active,
> > the brave." -- Patrick Henry
> >
> > "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home of
> > the brave."-- Rick Gaber
> >
> > "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> > and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." --
> > Winston Churchill
> >
> > Guidance,
> > Rich
> >
> >
> >That machine will fly with any version of linux. The amount of eye candy will
depend on the graphics card.
Personally I use Gnome as my desktop, but KDE is the 'power user' windowing
app, and the one Linus uses so you're already more hip than me. It has more
options and such, but the basics will be obvious from the get go. I think
most people use Konqueror as their 'do everything' app, file browsing, web
browsing, and so on.
Linux geeks sort of pride themselves on just how old and clunky their hardware
is. For years my router/firewall was a Red Hat 6.1 box that was my recycled
first PARIS machine. 400 Mhz Celeron with 128 MB of RAM. These days with
electricity costing what it does having a half dozen doorstop machines lying
about doing small jobs gets pretty expensive on a monthly basis, so we're
all starting to brag about how virtualized we're getting ;-)
If you have any questions, take my initials (i.e. my sig) and stick thadbrown
and then that top level domain calling card of com after it and email me.
That said, I don't think you'll have any problems.
Oh, and all of your config files are in /etc. You'll spend some time there
if you want to tweak . . .
TCB
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Thad,
> I'm about to get into some experimenting with (k)ubuntu.... on a celeron
>1300/100mhz bus/1GB of RAM, Asus PS2b-S.
>Not sure how it might run, thought I'd run it past you. Am I wasting my
time
>here trying to get a feel for the OS capabilities on such an old machine?
>
>I found this:
>
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList
>
>... and I'm intrigued that this could replace a few of my Win desktop
>machines for basic surfing and music production, and wring a few more miles
>out of what XP/Vista would consider a doorstop computer.
>
>AA
>
>No, Sarah this doesn't surprise me. Wasn't the prior administration treating
Terrorism as an "International Criminal Problem"? That did leagues to stem
the tide of extremism. Iraq is the tinder box for terrorism at the moment.
If we leave without a clear strategy and resolution, there is no doubt that
it will embolden the enemy with dire consequences both there, elsewhere in
the Islamic world and here as well.
I'm reading a book right now titled, "Human Rights Abuses In Iraq",
published by Human Rights Watch, prior to our invasion and when Sadam was in
power. Believe me when I say Iraq now is a utopia compared to what it was
before, (tongue firmly planted in cheek). Seriously, you can't believe the
stuff that was going on there.
I believe Blair was right in saying history would forgive us even if no
weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.
"If we are wrong, we will have destroyed a threat that at its least is
responsible for inhuman carnage and suffering. That is something I am
confident history will forgive," "But if our critics are wrong... and we do
not act, then we will have hesitated in the face of this menace when we
should have given leadership. That is something history will not forgive.
Rich
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:464da14d@linux...
> Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd been treating
> terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's always been
> instead of as a pretense for war, flourishing nests of fanatical morons
like
> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, I'm with you, but I
> hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for the last four years
> has done anything but fan the flames.
>
> Some alternative quotations:
>
> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up the war-cry, and
> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his
mouth;
> and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen will
invent
> cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every
> man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will
diligently
> study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he
will
> by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for
the
> better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception." -
> Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
>
> "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
> unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
> military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
> misplaced power exists and will persist.
>
> We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or
> democratic processe
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and fascism while at the same time condemn those =
democratic and freedom loving people, who reserve the right to defend =
themselves against such attacks.
Rich
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
news:464dc442@linux...
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
news:464da14d@linux...
> Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd been =
treating=20
> terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's always =
been=20
> instead of as a pretense for war,=20
.........now if they would just build an asprin factory there, we =
could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like most of the people =
there are black so this would be PC.
flourishing nests of fanatical morons like=20
> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, I'm with =
you, but I=20
> hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for the last =
four years=20
> has done anything but fan the flames.
>=20
there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons Sarah.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp
> Some alternative quotations:
>=20
> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up the =
war-cry, and=20
> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open =
his mouth;=20
> and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen =
will invent=20
> cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, =
and every=20
> man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will =
diligently=20
> study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and =
thus he will=20
> by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank =
God for the=20
> better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque =
self-deception." -=20
> Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
Mark Twain also said "Get your facts first, and then you can distort =
them as much as you please".
>=20
> "In the councils of government, we must guard against the =
acquisition of=20
> unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the=20
> military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise =
of=20
> misplaced power exists and will persist.
Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible things in =
my life, some of which actually happened"
>=20
> We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our =
liberties or=20
> democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an =
alert and=20
> knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge =
industrial=20
> and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and =
goals, so=20
> that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. =
Eisenhower,=20
> 1961
Deej also said "An alert and knowledgable citizenry depends upon an =
alert and knowldegable CIA"=20
> "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great =
numbers of=20
> our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are =
those=20
> illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One =
thing is=20
> certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be =
allowed if it=20
> results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." - =
Ronald=20
> Reagan
I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce any =
identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my own personal =
health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying vehicle insurance is =
such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked =
living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live. If =
I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in jail. If I =
have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in jail. I =
know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.
>=20
> "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; =
you can go=20
> to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a =
Greek, or=20
> whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to =
live in=20
> America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote Reagan. =
Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra Show? How about the =
way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the inner cities? Ollie North =
one of your heroes?=20
>=20
> "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to =
the manger=20
> even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not =
admit that=20
> right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been =
done to the=20
> Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not =
admit that=20
> a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger =
race, a=20
> higher-grade race has come in and taken their place." - Winston =
Churchill=20
> (who apparently never said that thing about liberal/conservative =
heart/brain=20
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112 )
I'll bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could find a =
way to challenge the title to this land, then we could pass a law that =
handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they would kick their asses out =
of there in a heartbeat and set up a casino.
=20
> "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
"I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes of =
intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30 to 8.00 to =
educate America. They couldn't educate America if they started at =
6:30".-Groucho Marx
>>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
"When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes a =
disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
>=20
> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids. =
Eat=20
> them!" - Homer Simpson
>=20
> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest sign from =
Simpsons=20
> episode
"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>=20
> Courage,
> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I =
would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a =
quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
;o)
>=20
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message=20
> news:464ce932@linux...
>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the =
flames. Why=20
>> the
>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>
>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>
>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>
>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be =
vigilant in=20
>> its
>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>
>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement =
outside a
>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>
>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and =
brave, and
>> hated
>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for =
then it=20
>> costs
>> nothing
>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>
>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or =
the
>> timid."
>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>
>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
the=20
>> brave."
>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>
>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the =
vigilant, the
>> active,
>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>
>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the =
home of
>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>
>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a =
brain." --=20
>> Winston Churchill
>>
>> Guidance,
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>=20
>=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well =
written. It=20
astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for =
Islamic=20
extremist violence and fascism while at the same time=20
condemn those democratic and freedom loving people, who =
reserve=20
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>> =
wrote=20
in message <A =
href=3D"news:464dc442@linux">news:464dc442@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Sarah" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>sarahjane@sarahtonin.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>> wrote=20
in message </FONT><A href=3D"news:464da14d@linux"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>news:464da14d@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Surely this doesn't surprise =
you . . .=20
? Perhaps if we'd been treating <BR>> terrorism as the=20
international criminal problem that it's always been <BR>> =
instead of as=20
a pretense for war, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.........now if they would just =
build an asprin=20
factory there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like =
most of=20
the people there are black so this would be PC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>flourishing nests of fanatical =
morons like=20
<BR>> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, =
I'm=20
with you, but I <BR>> hope you don't think what we've been doing =
in Iraq=20
for the last four years <BR>> has done anything but fan the=20
flames.<BR>> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>there are lots of flourishing nests =
of=20
fanatical morons Sarah.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><A=20
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href=3D" http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp"><=
FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp</=
FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Some alternative =
quotations:<BR>>=20
<BR>> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up =
the=20
war-cry, and <BR>> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man =
who=20
ventures to open his mouth; <BR>> and presently such mouths will =
cease to=20
open. Next the statesmen will invent <BR>> cheap lies, putting =
the blame=20
upon the nation that is attacked, and every <BR>> man will be =
glad of=20
those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently <BR>> =
study=20
them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he =
will=20
<BR>> by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will =
thank God=20
for the <BR>> better sleep he enjoys after this process of =
grotesque=20
self-deception." - <BR>> Mark Twain, from The Mysterious=20
Stranger</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "Get your =
facts first, and=20
then you can distort them as much as you please".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "In the councils =
of=20
government, we must guard against the acquisition of <BR>> =
unwarranted=20
influence, whether sought or unsought, by the <BR>> =
military-industrial=20
complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of <BR>> misplaced =
power=20
exists and will persist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "I have been =
throught some=20
terrible things in my life, some of which actually =
happened"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> We must never let =
the wei
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ght=20
of this combination endanger our liberties or <BR>> democratic =
processes.=20
We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and <BR>> =
knowledgeable=20
citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial =
<BR>> and=20
military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, =
so=20
<BR>> that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight =
D.=20
Eisenhower, <BR>> 1961</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej also said "An alert and =
knowledgable=20
citizenry depends upon an alert and knowldegable CIA" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "...it makes one wonder =
about the=20
illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of <BR>> our unemployed =
really=20
victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those <BR>> illegal =
tourists=20
actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is <BR>> =
certain=20
in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it =
<BR>>=20
results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." - =
Ronald=20
<BR>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with this. I also think I =
should not=20
have to produce any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should =
be my=20
own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying =
vehicle=20
insurance is such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat =
either. I=20
also liked living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got =
there and=20
live. If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in =
jail. If=20
I have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in =
jail. I=20
know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "You can go to =
live in=20
France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go <BR>> to =
live in=20
Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a Greek, or =
<BR>>=20
whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live =
in=20
<BR>> America and become an American." - more Ronald =
Reagan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it's sooooo cool when =
people who are=20
liberal quote Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the =
Contra=20
Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the =
inner=20
cities? Ollie North one of your heroes? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "I do not agree =
that the dog=20
in a manger has the final right to the manger <BR>> even though =
he may=20
have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that <BR>> =
right. I=20
do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the =
<BR>>=20
Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not =
admit that=20
<BR>> a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a =
stronger=20
race, a <BR>> higher-grade race has come in and taken their =
place." -=20
Winston Churchill <BR>> (who apparently never said that thing =
about=20
liberal/conservative heart/brain <BR>> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
</FONT></A><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2> )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll bet if we just got a few =
lawyers involved,=20
they could find a way to challenge the title to this land, then we =
could=20
pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they =
would=20
kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat and set up a=20
casino.<BR> <BR>> "Religion poisons everything." - =
Christopher=20
Hitchens</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I read in the newspapers they are =
going to=20
have 30 minutes of intellectual stuff on television every Monday =
from 7.30=20
to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America if they =
started at=20
6:30".-Groucho Marx<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>>Patriotism is the last =
refuge of a=20
scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0>=93When we have lost everything, including =
hope, life=20
becomes a disgrace, and death a duty."-</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>W.C. =
Fields</FONT></FONT><BR>> <BR>> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! =
Don't eat=20
me! I have a wife and kids. Eat <BR>> them!" - Homer =
Simpson</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>> <BR>> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant =
protest=20
sign from Simpsons <BR>> episode</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.<BR><BR>> =
<BR>> Courage,<BR>> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . .=20
)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. =
If a man=20
should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the =
hand and=20
lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
</FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>> "Rich Lamanna" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>richard.lamanna@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote in message <BR>> </FONT><A =
href=3D"news:464ce932@linux"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>news:464ce932@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...<BR>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you =
can all=20
fan the flames. Why <BR>>> the<BR>>> heck not welcome =
some more=20
illegals.<BR>>><BR>>> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm"><FON=
T=20
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm</FON=
T></A><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>>><BR>>> "Eternal vigilance is the =
price of=20
liberty." -- Wendell Phillips<BR>>><BR>>> "No man is =
entitled to=20
the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in <BR>>>=20
its<BR>>> preservation." -- General Douglas=20
MacArthur<BR>>><BR>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- =
posted=20
as an announcement outside a<BR>>> Unitarian Church in Texas =
on Sept.=20
17, 2001<BR>>><BR>>> "In the beginning of a change the =
patriot=20
is a scarce man, and brave, and<BR>>> hated<BR>>> and =
scorned.=20
When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it =
<BR>>>=20
costs<BR>>> nothing<BR>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark=20
Twain<BR>>><BR>>> "History does not long entrust the =
care of=20
freedom to the weak or the<BR>>> timid."<BR>>> -- Dwight =
D.=20
Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, =
1953<BR>>><BR>>>=20
"The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
the=20
<BR>>> brave."<BR>>> -- Ronald =
Reagan<BR>>><BR>>>=20
"The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, =
the<BR>>> active,<BR>>> the brave." -- Patrick=20
Henry<BR>>><BR>>> "The land of the free will cease to be =
when=20
it's no longer the home of<BR>>> the brave."-- Rick=20
Gaber<BR>>><BR>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal =
doesn't=20
have a heart,<BR>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a =
conservative=20
doesn't have a brain." -- <BR>>> Winston=20
Churchill<BR>>><BR>>> Guidance,<BR>>>=20
Rich<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_016F_01C7993A.FB95CD40--If he was so innocent, why did he feel compelled to shoot at the Feds
when they came to arrest him and kill 4 of them. Paranoia? That logic
would turn Paris Hilton into Bonnie Parker!
Should we assume everyone massing a stockpile of weapons is only a
danger to himself and not potentially to society?
- Paul
On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:29 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
<richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Paul, I beg to differ with you. Really you've got to be kidding, justifying
>and rationalizing the actions that Sterno and the Clintonistas taken here.
>This incident could have been averted. I agree Koresh was a whack job, but
>Christian or otherwise, what were they guilty of, they weren't bothering
>anyone and they were legally authorized to trade arms, though it appeared
>that they weren't following protocol. To get back to the point, Koresh
>hadn't threatened anyone, he may have been a danger to himself and the
>others in the compound but unlike the huge network of Jihadists all over the
>world today, Koresh was a lone nut job.
>
>Rich
>
>
>"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:1rbr43djm2h7j63n2tvhtbbdedq08rj0b8@4ax.com...
>> Rich -
>>
>> Considering the events that ensued, I think the Feds' suspicions were
>> correct. Interesting that you put the entire blame on the Feds for the
>> final result. I, for one, am glad that Koresh and his collection of
>> whackjobs are closer to God now, though it is a shame that THEY choose
>> to take many innocents with them.
>>
>> Calling the Davidians Christians is like calling GWB eloquent.
>>
>> - Paul Artola
>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>
>> On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:51:46 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>> >Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a
>> >search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>> >automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>children.
>> >But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
>no,
>> >despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>practicing
>> >for violent Jihad.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> >
>> >What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> >
>> >Rich
>> >
>>
>The feds shot their dog and her pups when they walked up to the door to
serve the warrant. If that happened here, there would be a bunch of
deadfeds....no shit amigo.
"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bmmr43paj5r0d5b6kgbqtd25mmhstnsh2m@4ax.com...
> If he was so innocent, why did he feel compelled to shoot at the Feds
> when they came to arrest him and kill 4 of them. Paranoia? That logic
> would turn Paris Hilton into Bonnie Parker!
>
> Should we assume everyone massing a stockpile of weapons is only a
> danger to himself and not potentially to society?
>
> - Paul
>
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:29 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Paul, I beg to differ with you. Really you've got to be kidding,
>>justifying
>>and rationalizing the actions that Sterno and the Clintonistas taken here.
>>This incident could have been averted. I agree Koresh was a whack job, but
>>Christian or otherwise, what were they guilty of, they weren't bothering
>>anyone and they were legally authorized to trade arms, though it appeared
>>that they weren't following protocol. To get back to the point, Koresh
>>hadn't threatened anyone, he may have been a danger to himself and the
>>others in the compound but unlike the huge network of Jihadists all over
>>the
>>world today, Koresh was a lone nut job.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>
>>"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:1rbr43djm2h7j63n2tvhtbbdedq08rj0b8@4ax.com...
>>> Rich -
>>>
>>> Considering the events that ensued, I think the Feds' suspicions were
>>> correct. Interesting that you put the entire blame on the Feds for the
>>> final result. I, for one, am glad that Koresh and his collection of
>>> whackjobs are closer to God now, though it is a shame that THEY choose
>>> to take many innocents with them.
>>>
>>> Calling the Davidians Christians is like calling GWB eloquent.
>>>
>>> - Paul Artola
>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:51:46 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
>>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>> >Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a
>>> >search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>> >automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>>children.
>>> >But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
>>no,
>>> >despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>>practicing
>>> >for violent Jihad.
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being
>>> >Christians.
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Rich
>>> >
>>>
>>
>Damn!!!.....I can't believe it's Friday already. I honestly thought today
was Thursday.
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:464dd7f2$1@linux...
>
> You guys all have a boring Friday huh?
>
> heh
>
> DC
>Actually, it would be better to look for people who had shorted it recently,
though why anyone would short Apple in particular right now is beyond me.
The SEC, by the way, is one of the handful of government agencies that actually
works. Big market moves are always scrutinized carefully, especially short
sellers who have a rep (undeserved in my opinion) for being shadier than
the long guys.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:464dd445$1@linux...
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05 /17/AR2007051701995.html?sub=AR
>
>I'betcha' if they traced the purchasers of stock when Apple started taking
a
>dive, they could also discover who did this.
>
>What a great way to make a buck!!!
>
>Hey guys!!!!!..........guess what????.........Daimler-Benz is getting ready
>to buy Chrysler!!!!!.......let's get onboard!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hey Paul,
Here's a little something to think about.
http://www.serendipity.li/waco/moore1.html
One of my good friends went to high school with Vernon Howell (a/k/a David
Koresh). My friend was a great guitar player, and Vernon was always hanging
out with him trying to cop some licks. They weren't really good friends or
anything but fairly well acquainted and my friend said that he wasn't some
demonic wanker or anything like that.
there's lots of wacko's in Waco.......it's home to Baylor University and
Jessica/Ashley Simpson fer chrissake!!! Some of my family members attended
Baylor and they are now liberal Democrat lawyers so I can attest to the
wacko factor.
Now if a bunch of guys came up to your door in black stormtrooper uniforms
and the first thing they did was shoot your dog, and the second thing they
did was shoot you and a member of your family........would you be disposed
to just let them in?
Not me dude.
Regards,
Deej
"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> If he was so innocent, why did he feel compelled to shoot at the Feds
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> when they came to arrest him and kill 4 of them. Paranoia? That logic
> would turn Paris Hilton into Bonnie Parker!
>
> Should we assume everyone massing a stockpile of weapons is only a
> danger to himself and not potentially to society?
>
> - Paul
>
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:29 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Paul, I beg to differ with you. Really you've got to be kidding,
>>justifying
>>and rationalizing the actions that Sterno and the Clintonistas taken here.
>>This incident could have been averted. I agree Koresh was a whack job, but
>>Christian or otherwise, what were they guilty of, they weren't bothering
>>anyone and they were legally authorized to trade arms, though it appeared
>>that they weren't following protocol. To get back to the point, Koresh
>>hadn't threatened anyone, he may have been a danger to himself and the
>>others in the compound but unlike the huge network of Jihadists all over
>>the
>>world today, Koresh was a lone nut job.
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>
>>"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:1rbr43djm2h7j63n2tvhtbbdedq08rj0b8@4ax.com...
>>> Rich -
>>>
>>> Considering the events that ensued, I think the Feds' suspicions were
>>> correct. Interesting that you put the entire blame on the Feds for the
>>> final result. I, for one, am glad that Koresh and his collection of
>>> whackjobs are closer to God now, though it is a shame that THEY choose
>>> to take many innocents with them.
>>>
>>> Calling the Davidians Christians is like calling GWB eloquent.
>>>
>>> - Paul Artola
>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:51:46 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
>>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>> >Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a
>>> >search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>> >automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>>children.
>>> >But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
>>no,
>>> >despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>>practicing
>>> >for violent Jihad.
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being
>>> >Christians.
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Rich
>>> >
>>>
>>
>Yup, those wing nuts on the left. Like Ron Paul. Did you see him in the pres.
debate? Freaking commie.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>
>The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far left
=
>in this country slag the only administration that is willing to fight =
>for their right to slag the administration. The leftleaning/outspoken =
>first amendment loving folks will be the first to be slaughtered by =
>those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the policies of this
=
>administration.
>
>go figure.
>
>;o}
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
>news:464dc9f4@linux...
> Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It astounds
=
>me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for Islamic =
>extremist violence and fascism while at the same time condemn those =
>democratic and freedom loving people, who reserve the right to defend =
>themselves against such attacks.
>
> Rich
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
>news:464dc442@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <
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ce, whether sought or unsought, by the <BR>> =
>military-industrial=20
> complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of <BR>> misplaced =
>power=20
> exists and will persist.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "I have been =
>throught some=20
> terrible things in my life, some of which actually =
>happened"</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> We must never let =
>the weight=20
> of this combination endanger our liberties or <BR>> democratic =
>processes.=20
> We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and <BR>> =
>knowledgeable=20
> citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial =
><BR>> and=20
> military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, =
>so=20
> <BR>> that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight =
>D.=20
> Eisenhower, <BR>> 1961</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej also said "An alert and =
>knowledgable=20
> citizenry depends upon an alert and knowldegable CIA" </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "...it makes one wonder =
>about the=20
> illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of <BR>> our unemployed =
>really=20
> victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those <BR>> illegal =
>tourists=20
> actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is <BR>> =
>certain=20
> in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it =
><BR>>=20
> results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." - =
>Ronald=20
> <BR>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with this. I also think I =
>should not=20
> have to produce any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should
=
>be my=20
> own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying =
>vehicle=20
> insurance is such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat =
>either. I=20
> also liked living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got =
>there and=20
> live. If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in =
>jail. If=20
> I have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in =
>jail. I=20
> know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "You can go to =
>live in=20
> France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go <BR>> to =
>live in=20
> Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a Greek, or =
><BR>>=20
> whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live
=
>in=20
> <BR>> America and become an American." - more Ronald =
>Reagan</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it's sooooo cool when =
>people who are=20
> liberal quote Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the
=
>Contra=20
> Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the =
>inner=20
> cities? Ollie North one of your heroes? </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll bet if we just got a few =
>lawyers involved,=20
> they could find a way to challenge the title to this land, then we =
>could=20
> pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they =
>would=20
> kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat and set up a=20
> casino.<BR> <BR>> "Religion poisons everything." - =
>Christopher=20
> Hitchens</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I read in the newspapers they are
=
>going to=20
> have 30 minutes of intellectual stuff on television every Monday =
>from 7.30=20
> to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America if they =
>started at=20
> 6:30".-Groucho Marx<BR></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>>Patriotism is the last =
>refuge of a=20
> scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D+0>=93When we have lost everything, including =
>hope, life=20
> becomes a disgrace, and death a duty."-</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>W.C.
=
>
> Fields</FONT></FONT><BR>> <BR>> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! =
>Don't eat=20
> me! I have a wife and kids. Eat <BR>> them!" - Homer =
>Simpson</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant =
>protest=20
> sign from Simpsons <BR>> episode</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.<BR><BR>> =
>
> <BR>> Courage,<BR>> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . .=20
> )</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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> should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the
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> lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A=20
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> face=3DArial size=3D2>> "Rich Lamanna" <</FONT><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>richard.lamanna@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
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> face=3DArial size=3D2>news:464ce932@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>...<BR>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you =
>can all=20
> fan the flames. Why <BR>>> the<BR>>> heck not welcome =
>some more=20
> illegals.<BR>>><BR>>> </FONT><A=20
> =
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>T></A><BR><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2>>><BR>>> "Eternal vigilance is the =
>price of=20
> liberty." -- Wendell Phillips<BR>>><BR>>> "No man is =
>entitled to=20
> the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in <BR>>>=20
> its<BR>>> preservation." -- General Douglas=20
> MacArthur<BR>>><BR>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- =
>posted=20
> as an announcement outside a<BR>>> Unitarian Church in Texas =
>on Sept.=20
> 17, 2001<BR>>><BR>>> "In the be
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Sat, 28 April 2007 15:14 |
Bill L
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ginning of a change the =
>patriot=20
> is a scarce man, and brave, and<BR>>> hated<BR>>> and =
>scorned.=20
> When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it =
><BR>>>=20
> costs<BR>>> nothing<BR>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark=20
> Twain<BR>>><BR>>> "History does not long entrust the =
>care of=20
> freedom to the weak or the<BR>>> timid."<BR>>> -- Dwight =
>D.=20
> Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, =
>1953<BR>>><BR>>>=20
> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
>the=20
> <BR>>> brave."<BR>>> -- Ronald =
>Reagan<BR>>><BR>>>=20
> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
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> the<BR>>> active,<BR>>> the brave." -- Patrick=20
> Henry<BR>>><BR>>> "The land of the free will cease to be =
>when=20
> it's no longer the home of<BR>>> the brave."-- Rick=20
> Gaber<BR>>><BR>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal =
>doesn't=20
> have a heart,<BR>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a =
>conservative=20
> doesn't have a brain." -- <BR>>> Winston=20
> Churchill<BR>>><BR>>> Guidance,<BR>>>=20
> Rich<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>>=20
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>LOL.
If we could just get rid of those leftinistas, those lefty left
lefterizers. Those constitution loving left-hosers. Man, they are so
LEFT!!!!
There, that solves it. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far left
> in this country slag the only administration that is willing to fight
> for their right to slag the administration. The leftleaning/outspoken
> first amendment loving folks will be the first to be slaughtered by
> those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the policies of this
> administration.
>
> go figure.
>
> ;o}
>
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net
> <mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net>> wrote in message
> news:464dc9f4@linux...
> Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It
> astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses
> for Islamic extremist violence and fascism while at the same time
> condemn those democratic and freedom loving people, who reserve the
> right to defend themselves against such attacks.
>
> Rich
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>>
> wrote in message news:464dc442@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com
> <mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>> wrote in message
> news:464da14d@linux...
> > Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd
> been treating
> > terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's
> always been
> > instead of as a pretense for war,
>
> .........now if they would just build an asprin factory there,
> we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like most of the
> people there are black so this would be PC.
>
> flourishing nests of fanatical morons like
> > this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, I'm
> with you, but I
> > hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for the
> last four years
> > has done anything but fan the flames.
> >
> there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons Sarah.
> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp
>
>
> > Some alternative quotations:
> >
> > "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up the
> war-cry, and
> > shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to
> open his mouth;
> > and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the
> statesmen will invent
> > cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is
> attacked, and every
> > man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and
> will diligently
> > study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them;
> and thus he will
> > by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will
> thank God for the
> > better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque
> self-deception." -
> > Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
>
> Mark Twain also said "Get your facts first, and then you can
> distort them as much as you please".
>
> >
> > "In the councils of government, we must guard against the
> acquisition of
> > unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
> > military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous
> rise of
> > misplaced power exists and will persist.
>
> Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible things
> in my life, some of which actually happened"
>
> >
> > We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our
> liberties or
> > democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted.
> Only an alert and
> > knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the
> huge industrial
> > and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods
>
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Sat, 28 April 2007 20:24 |
Deej [4]
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> "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great =
>>numbers of=20
>> > our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are
> =
>>those=20
>> > illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One
> =
>>thing is=20
>> > certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be =
>>allowed if it=20
>> > results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." -
> =
>>Ronald=20
>> > Reagan
>>
>> I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce any =
>>identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my own personal =
>>health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying vehicle insurance is
> =
>>such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked
> =
>>living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live. If
> =
>>I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in jail. If I =
>>have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in jail. I
> =
>>know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.
>>
>> >=20
>> > "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman;
> =
>>you can go=20
>> > to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a =
>>Greek, or=20
>> > whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to =
>>live in=20
>> > America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
>>
>> I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote Reagan. =
>>Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra Show? How about the
> =
>>way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the inner cities? Ollie North =
>>one of your heroes?=20
>>
>> >=20
>> > "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to =
>>the manger=20
>> > even though he may have lain there for a very l
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Sat, 28 April 2007 21:08 |
Sarah
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apparently never said that thing about liberal/conservative =
>>heart/brain=20
>> > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112 )
>>
>> I'll bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could find a =
>>way to challenge the title to this land, then we could pass a law that =
>>handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they would kick their asses out
> =
>>of there in a heartbeat and set up a casino.
>> =20
>> > "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
>>
>> "I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes of =
>>intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30 to 8.00 to =
>>educate America. They couldn't educate America if they started at =
>>6:30".-Groucho Marx
>>
>> >>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>>
>> "When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes a =
>>disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
>> >=20
>> > "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids. =
>>Eat=20
>> > them!" - Homer Simpson
>>
>>
>> >=20
>> > "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest sign from =
>>Simpsons=20
>> > episode
>>
>> "We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>>
>> >=20
>> > Courage,
>> > Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
>>
>> "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I =
>>would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a =
>>quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >=20
>> > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112
>> > "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message=20
>> > news:464ce932@linux...
>> >> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the =
>>flames. Why=20
>> >> the
>> >> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>> >>
>> >> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>> >>
>> >> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be =
>>vigilant in=20
>> >> its
>> >> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>> >>
>> >> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement =
>>outside a
>> >> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>> >>
>> >> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and =
>>brave, and
>> >> hated
>> >> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for =
>>then it=20
>> >> costs
>> >> nothing
>> >> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>> >>
>> >> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or
> =
>>the
>> >> timid."
>> >> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>> >>
>> >> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
>>the=20
>> >> brave."
>> >> -- Ronald Reagan
>> >>
>> >> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the =
>>vigilant, the
>> >> active,
>> >> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>> >>
>> >> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the =
>>home of
>> >> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>> >>
>> >> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>> >> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a =
>>brain." --=20
>> >> Winston Churchill
>> >>
>> >> Guidance,
>> >> Rich
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>=20
>> >=20
>> >
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The thing that has always intrigued me
> =
>>is how the=20
>>folks on the far left in this country slag the only administration that
> =
>>is=20
>>willing to fight for their right to slag the administration. The=20
>>leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first to
> =
>>be=20
>>slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the =
>>policies=20
>>of this administration.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go figure.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o}</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Rich Lamanna" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net">richard.lamanna@verizon.net</=
>>A>>=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>>href=3D"news:464dc9f4@linux">news:464dc9f4@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well =
>>written. It=20
>> astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for
> =
>>Islamic=20
>> extremist violence and fascism while at the same time=20
>> condemn those democratic and freedom loving people, who =
>>reserve=20
>> the right to defend themselves against such attacks.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT><BR></DIV>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>> =
>>wrote=20
>> in message <A =
>>href=3D"news:464dc442@linux">news:464dc442@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Sarah" <</FONT><A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>sarahjane@sarahtonin.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2>> wrote=20
>> in message </FONT><A href=3D"news:464da14d@linux"><FONT face=3DArial
> =
>>
>> size=3D2>news:464da14d@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Surely this doesn't surprise =
>>you . . .=20
>> ? Perhaps if we'd been treating <BR>> terrorism as the=20
>> international criminal problem that it's always been <BR>> =
>>instead of as=20
>> a pretense for war, </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.........now if they would just =
>>build an asprin=20
>> factory there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like =
>>most of=20
>> the people there are black so this would be PC.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>flourishing nests of fanatical =
>>morons like=20
>> <BR>> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, =
>>I'm=20
>> with you, but I <BR>> hope you don't think what we've been doing =
>>in Iraq=20
>> for the last four years <BR>> has done anything but fan the=20
>> flames.<BR>> </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>there are lots of flourishing nests
> =
>>of=20
>> fanatical morons Sarah.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D" http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp"><=
>>FONT=20
>> face=3DArial=20
>> =
>>size=3D2> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp</=
>>FONT></A></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Some alternative =
>>quotations:<BR>>=20
>> <BR>> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up =
>>the=20
>> war-cry, and <BR>> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man =
>>who=20
>> ventures to open his mouth; <BR>> and presently such mouths will =
>>cease to=20
>> open. Next the statesmen will invent <BR>> cheap lies, putting =
>>the blame=20
>> upon the nation that is attacked, and every <BR>> man will be =
>>glad of=20
>> those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently <BR>> =
>>study=20
>> them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he =
>>will=20
>> <BR>> by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will =
>>thank God=20
>> for the <BR>> better sleep he enjoys after this process of =
>>grotesque=20
>> self-deception." - <BR>> Mark Twain, from The Mysterious=20
>> Stranger</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "Get your =
>>facts first, and=20
>> then you can distort them as much as you please".</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "In the councils =
>>of=20
>> government, we must guard against the acquisition of <BR>> =
>>unwarranted=20
>> influence, whether sought or unsought, by the <BR>> =
>>military-industrial=20
>> complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of <BR>> misplaced =
>>power=20
>> exists and will persist.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "I have been =
>>throught some=20
>> terrible things in my life, some of which actually =
>>happened"</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> We must never let =
>>the weight=20
>> of this combination endanger our liberties or <BR>> democratic =
>>processes.=20
>> We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and <BR>> =
>>knowledgeable=20
>> citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial =
>><BR>> and=20
>> military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, =
>>so=20
>> <BR>> that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight =
>>D.=20
>> Eisenhower, <BR>> 1961</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej also said "An alert and =
>>knowledgable=20
>> citizenry depends upon an alert and knowldegable CIA" </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "...it makes one wonder =
>>about the=20
>> illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of <BR>> our unemployed =
>>really=20
>> victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those <BR>> illegal =
>>tourists=20
>> actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is <BR>> =
>>certain=20
>> in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it =
>><BR>>=20
>> results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." - =
>>Ronald=20
>> <BR>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with this. I also think I =
>>should not=20
>> have to produce any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should
> =
>>be my=20
>> own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying =
>>vehicle=20
>> insurance is such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat =
>>either. I=20
>> also liked living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got =
>>there and=20
>> live. If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in =
>>jail. If=20
>> I have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in =
>>jail. I=20
>> know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "You can go to =
>>live in=20
>> France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go <BR>> to =
>>live in=20
>> Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a Greek, or =
>><BR>>=20
>> whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live
> =
>>in=20
>> <BR>> America and become an American." - more Ronald =
>>Reagan</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it's sooooo cool when =
>>people who are=20
>> liberal quote Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the
> =
>>Contra=20
>> Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the =
>>inner=20
>> cities? Ollie North one of your heroes? </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "I do not agree =
>>that the dog=20
>> in a manger has the final right to the manger <BR>> even though =
>>he may=20
>> have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that <BR>> =
>>right. I=20
>> do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the =
>><BR>>=20
>> Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not =
>>admit that=20
>> <BR>> a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a =
>>stronger=20
>> race, a <BR>> higher-grade race has come in and taken their =
>>place." -=20
>> Winston Churchill <BR>> (who apparently never said that thing =
>>about=20
>> liberal/conservative heart/brain <BR>> </FONT><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
>>><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial=20
>> =
>>size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
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>> face=3DArial size=3D2> )</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll bet if we just got a few =
>>lawyers involved,=20
>> they could find a way to challenge the title to this land, then we =
>>could=20
>> pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they =
>>would=20
>> kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat and set up a=20
>> casino.<BR> <BR>> "Religion poisons everything." - =
>>Christopher=20
>> Hitchens</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I read in the newspapers they are
> =
>>going to=20
>> have 30 minutes of intellectual stuff on television every Monday =
>>from 7.30=20
>> to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America if they =
>>started at=20
>> 6:30".-Groucho Marx<BR></FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>>Patriotism is the last =
>>refuge of a=20
>> scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D+0>=93When we have lost everything, including =
>>hope, life=20
>> becomes a disgrace, and death a duty."-</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2><FONT=20
>> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>W.C.
> =
>>
>> Fields</FONT></FONT><BR>> <BR>> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! =
>>Don't eat=20
>> me! I have a wife and kids. Eat <BR>> them!" - Homer =
>>Simpson</DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant =
>>protest=20
>> sign from Simpsons <BR>> episode</DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV>"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.<BR><BR>> =
>>
>> <BR>> Courage,<BR>> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . .=20
>> )</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I thoroughly disapprove of duels.
> =
>>If a man=20
>> should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the
> =
>>hand and=20
>> lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A=20
>> =
>>href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
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>> face=3DArial size=3D2>> "Rich Lamanna" <</FONT><A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>richard.lamanna@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2>>=20
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>>href=3D"news:464ce932@linux"><FONT=20
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>>face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>...<BR>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you =
>>can all=20
>> fan the flames. Why <BR>>> the<BR>>> heck not welcome =
>>some more=20
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>> face=3DArial size=3D2>>><BR>>> "Eternal vigilance is the =
>>price of=20
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>>entitled to=20
>> the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in <BR>>>=20
>> its<BR>>> preservation." -- General Douglas=20
>> MacArthur<BR>>><BR>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- =
>>posted=20
>> as an announcement outside a<BR>>> Unitarian Church in Texas =
>>on Sept.=20
>> 17, 2001<BR>>><BR>>> "In the beginning of a change the =
>>patriot=20
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>>scorned.=20
>> When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it =
>><BR>>>=20
>> costs<BR>>> nothing<BR>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark=20
>> Twain<BR>>><BR>>> "History does not long entrust the =
>>care of=20
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>>D.=20
>> Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, =
>>1953<BR>>><BR>>>=20
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>>the=20
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>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
> =
>>
>> the<BR>>> active,<BR>>> the brave." -- Patrick=20
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>>when=20
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>>doesn't=20
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>>conservative=20
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Bill L
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have to produce any
>>> identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my own
>>> personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying
>>> vehicle insurance is such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to
>>> do hqat either. I also liked living in Mexico quite a bit.
>>> Problem is, I can't got there and live. If I go down there
>>> without any papers, they will throw me in jail. If I have a
>>> wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in jail.
>>> I know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a
>>> Frenchman; you can go
>>> > to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or
>>> a Greek, or
>>> > whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come
>>> to live in
>>> > America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
>>> I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote
>>> Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra
>>> Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the
>>> inner cities? Ollie North one of your heroes?
>>> >
>>> > "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right
>>> to the manger
>>> > even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do
>>> not admit that
>>> > right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has
>>> been done to the
>>> > Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do
>>> not admit that
>>> > a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a
>>> stronger race, a
>>> > higher-grade race has come in and taken their place." -
>>> Winston Churchill
>>> > (who apparently never said that thing about
>>> liberal/conservative heart/brain
>>> >
>>> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12 )
>>> I'll bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could find
>>> a way to challenge the title to this land, then we could pass a
>>> law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they would
>>> kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat and set up a casino.
>>> > "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
>>> "I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes of
>>> intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30 to 8.00
>>> to educate America. They couldn't educate America if they
>>> started at 6:30".-Groucho Marx
>>> >>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>>> “When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes a
>>> disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
>>> >
>>> > "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife and
>>> kids. Eat
>>> > them!" - Homer Simpson
>>> >
>>> > "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest sign
>>> from Simpsons
>>> > episode
>>> "We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Courage,
>>> > Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
>>> "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me,
>>> I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him
>>> to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
>>> ;o)
>>> >
>>> > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12
>>> > "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net
>>> <mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net>> wrote in message
>>> > news:464ce932@linux...
>>> >> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the
>>> flames. Why
>>> >> the
>>> >> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>> >>
>>> >> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell
>>> Phillips
>>> >>
>>> >> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be
>>> vigilant in
>>> >> its
>>> >> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>> >>
>>> >> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement
>>> outside a
>>> >> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>> >>
>>> >> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man,
>>> and brave, and
>>> >> hated
>>> >> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him,
>>> for then it
>>> >> costs
>>> >> nothing
>>> >> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>> >>
>>> >> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the
>>> weak or the
>>> >> timid."
>>> >> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20,
>>> 1953
>>> >>
>>> >> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs
>>> to the
>>> >> brave."
>>> >> -- Ronald Reagan
>>> >>
>>> >> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the
>>> vigilant, the
>>> >> active,
>>> >> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>> >>
>>> >> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer
>>> the home of
>>> >> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>> >>
>>> >> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>> >> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a
>>> brain." --
>>> >> Winston Churchill
>>> >>
>>> >> Guidance,
>>> >> Rich
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>
>Yeah, actually all the IRQ's look OK. Graphics card is GeForce 6600GT in
a nForce3-based motherboard. No ATI chips in sight.
I think I found the answer. I had installed the drivers for the UAD-1
card, but I had pulled out the card prior in order to do some debugging
and never put it back in.
When I uninstalled these drivers, everything seemed a bit happier.
Just discovered this a couple of minutes ago, and Paris is no longer
sucking the CPU dry of cycles.
Thanks Dimitrios and DJ.
-Rohde
DJ wrote:
> Rhode,
>
> This sounds like an IRQ trainwreck. EDS card sharing with a graphics card is
> bad, even if Windows says there is no problem. Windows lies........XP lies
> especially.
>
> Deej
>
> "Rohde Wakefield" <rohdeww@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:464db606$1@linux...
>> Hey all. I thought I remembered a post on this, but my searches are coming
>> up short.
>>
>> Has anyone seen the situation where Paris will _always_ be using 90%+ of
>> the CPU and machine is just a dog, even when not playing?
>>
>> I'm not sure if it was something I installed earlier this year. I haven't
>> been able to use Paris the last couple of times I've needed it so Garage
>> Band and Vegas had to do in the pinch.
>>
>> I think I may have an extra 20GB drive sitting around. I may just
>> reinstall a new WinXP and Paris minimals. However, I'd like to get this
>> drive working since it is my general multimedia setup.
>>
>> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.
>>
>> -Rohde
>
>Computer says "head is being cleaned"
I was hoping it would maybe clean out my ears and get rid of that ringing
sound, but no luck.Bush and his oil buddies won't like this!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Bush and his oil buddies won't like this!
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/
Oh yeah, and that's why both Bushe brothers continually
veto the building of new oil platforms...
And this guy has a long way to go before his idea is credible.
Blaming it on egos is a bad start....
Money to finance his research would not be hard to find if it
shows real promise.
He has not spoken of how much hydrogen his device puts out,
and remember, it is only 40% as powerful as gasoline per volume
so your car will lose a lot of its power. Remember also, this
weaker car now has to pull you and your family up the hill to
Las Vegas... Can it produce enough hydrogen on demand to pull
this off?
What is the cost per mile of gallium and aluminum refills?
How far does the tank take you without a refill?
So far, I am not impressed.
DCI don't know about climbing hills, but I do know the city of Lansing Mi. has
been using hydrogen powered buses and trucks since 1975.
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Bush and his oil buddies won't like this!
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/
>
>Oh yeah, and that's why both Bushe brothers continually
>veto the building of new oil platforms...
>
>
>And this guy has a long way to go before his idea is credible.
>Blaming it on egos is a bad start....
>shows real promise.
>
>He has not spoken of how much hydrogen his device puts out,
>and remember, it is only 40% as powerful as gasoline per volume
>so your car will lose a lot of its power. Remember also, this
>weaker car now has to pull you and your family up the hill to
>Las Vegas... Can it produce enough hydrogen on demand to pull
>this off?
>
>What is the cost per mile of gallium and aluminum refills?
>
>How far does the tank take you without a refill?
>
>So far, I am not impressed.
>
>DC
>
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I'm considering an attachment that will give 30% better fuel mileage
on almost any vehicle. $500 installed. Refill with distilled water =
every
300-400 miles. $3.00/gallon is down to $2.00/gal.. It gets 40% out
of a diesel. I've seen it and it works. There are some real pros on=20
this system. =20
The hydrogen is burned at such a fast rate the valves don't
get oxidation damage. It isn't in mass production but I might get one =
for my
older 94 Chevy 1500 to see how it works. Simple install, fused, =
amperage
meter, hose to the carb/fuel injector and a small tank that seems
smaller than a bread box. Might be tight under the hood of some cars. =20
It is easily removed for inspections. They won't pass because the =
emissions=20
are so low it gives a false reading!!! Exhaust is cleaner too.
It can be removed and installed in another vehicle easily. Only one =
install
was a problem for the designer so far out of 10+. The computer in the =
Ford van=20
would make the fuel mixture richer to compensate for the changes the =
hydrogen box
created. Turned out to COST him 30% in gas mileage! The next step is =
to
hack the car computers to adapt for this inexpensive device. He's =
working
on that now.
Just a consideration.
Tom
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:464e2664$1@linux...
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Bush and his oil buddies won't like this!
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/
Oh yeah, and that's why both Bushe brothers continually=20
veto the building of new oil platforms...
And this guy has a long way to go before his idea is credible.
Blaming it on egos is a bad start....
Money to finance his research would not be hard to find if it
shows real promise.
He has not spoken of how much hydrogen his device puts out,
and remember, it is only 40% as powerful as gasoline per volume
so your car will lose a lot of its power. Remember also, this
weaker car now has to pull you and your family up the hill to
Las Vegas... Can it produce enough hydrogen on demand to pull
this off?
What is the cost per mile of gallium and aluminum refills?
How far does the tank take you without a refill?
So far, I am not impressed.
DC
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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installed. =20
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There are some real pros on </FONT></DIV>
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rate the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>are so low it gives a false=20
reading!!! Exhaust is cleaner too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It can be removed and installed in =
another vehicle=20
easily. Only one install</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>was a problem for the designer so far =
out of=20
10+. The computer in the Ford van </FONT></DIV>
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box</FONT></DIV>
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him 30% in=20
gas mileage! The next step is to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hack the car computers to adapt for =
this=20
inexpensive device. He's working</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on that now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just a consideration.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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McCloskey" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>Bush and his oil buddies won't like=20
this!<BR>><BR>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/<BR><BR>Oh =
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that's why both Bushe brothers continually <BR>veto the building of =
new oil=20
platforms...<BR><BR><BR>And this guy has a long way to go before his =
idea is=20
credible.<BR>Blaming it on egos is a bad start....<BR>Money to finance =
his=20
research would not be hard to find if it<BR>shows real =
promise.<BR><BR>He has=20
not spoken of how much hydrogen his device puts out,<BR>and remember, =
it is=20
only 40% as powerful as gasoline per volume<BR>so your car will lose a =
lot of=20
its power. Remember also, this<BR>weaker car now has to =
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------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C7997C.131A17A0--seems to me he's just passing the electricity buck.
The idea is to get power to your car's wheels. His plan is to use aluminum/gallium
to split water. And how does he get the aluminum/gallium back after it's
used? Electricity. (I seem to remember reading that one of the biggest users
of electricity in the country is the aluminum industry. Lots of power needed
to electrolize it out of ore.)
The same electricity that is used to split the alulminum oxide back to aluminum
could just as easily be used to split water directly into hydrogen and oxygen.
He's just moved the process from a most likely more efficient power plant
right into a 350 pound pile of rocks in your car. Two conversions instead
of one, undoubtedly more inefficient, to save the trouble of creating a hydrogen
infrastructure. Maybe good. Maybe not.
The other problem with hydrogen, namely it's tendency to leak right through
seals and hoses, would still remain.
Very interesting story. I wish I could get enthused about it...
-steve
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know about climbing hills, but I do know the city of Lansing Mi.
has
>been using hydrogen powered buses and trucks since 1975.
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Bush and his oil buddies won't like this!
>>>
>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/
>>
>>Oh yeah, and that's why both Bushe brothers continually
>>veto the building of new oil platforms...
>>
>>
>>And this guy has a long way to go before his idea is credible.
>>Blaming it on egos is a bad start....
>>shows real promise.
>>
>>He has not spoken of how much hydrogen his device puts out,
>>and remember, it is only 40% as powerful as gasoline per volume
>>so your car will lose a lot of its power. Remember also, this
>>weaker car now has to pull you and your family up the hill to
>>Las Vegas... Can it produce enough hydrogen on demand to pull
>>this off?
>>
>>What is the cost per mile of gallium and aluminum refills?
>>
>>How far does the tank take you without a refill?
>>
>>So far, I am not impressed.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>You hung out with Ron Paul's hot niece?!? And I thought you were cool just
because you'll take on hardware projects I won't. Wow.
My point, of course, is that conservatives like me--the old school isolationist
ones--despise this war and, like Unky Ron Paul, think that the CIA concept
of blowback means something. It's funny, when I was in Bangkok this last
time I was hungry and thirsty and dropped into a bar. Had a long conversation
with a guy who worked for a non-profit that goes all over the world clearing
land mines. Unsurprisingly he had spent lots of time in Afghanistan, one
of the most mined countries in the world. I asked him, point blank, if the
Taliban and other fellow travelers were using literally the same guns and
other weapons to shoot US/NATO troops that the CIA gave them to fight the
Russians. He shook his head (a Brit by the way) and said, 'Of course, they're
the best weapons in the country.'
Us old school conservatives also despised Ruby Ridge and Waco and a lot of
other things that were done to 'crazy' people and 'religious fanatics' and
so on. And the Islamberg folks have as much right as any home schooling holy
rolling Christian community does to live as they wish as long as they obey
the law. When they don't, they should be punished, just like child molesting
Roman Catholic priests.
But I'm still jealous you hung out with Ron Paul's gorgeous niece. I mean,
what's not to like? Libertarian politics in a hot Texas girl. Where do I
sign up?
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>hehe!............yeah. The Pauls are definitely a bunch of populist commies.
>Goddam' popolist golf commies, at that. Here's their modest little
>unassuming storefront in Austin.
>
>http://www.golfsmith.com/
>
>I took acting lessons with his niece Kelly back in the early 90's. A dead
>ringer for Chynna Phillips. Uncle Ron was considered to be qhite the family
>hoot. If only Ron's side of the family had those looks, he would at least
>have photogeniety going for him.....and he voted for legalizing marijuana
>before he became a Republican. I do think he's right about our foriegn
>policy pissin people off though...........but those pissed off foriegners'
>foriegn policy pisses me off too.
>
>;o)
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:464de5db$1@linux...
>>
>> Yup, those wing nuts on the left. Like Ron Paul. Did you see him in the
>> pres.
>> debate? Freaking commie.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far left
>> =
>>>in this country slag the only administration that is willing to fight
=
>>>for their right to slag the administration. The leftleaning/outspoken
=
>>>first amendment loving folks will be the first to be slaughtered by =
>>>those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the policies of this
>> =
>>>administration.
>>>
>>>go figure.
>>>
>>>;o}
>>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
>>>news:464dc9f4@linux...
>>> Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It astounds
>> =
>>>me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for Islamic =
>>>extremist violence and fascism while at the same time condemn those =
>>>democratic and freedom loving people, who reserve the right to defend
=
>>>themselves against such attacks.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:464dc442@linux...
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:464da14d@linux...
>>> > Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd been =
>>>treating=20
>>> > terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's always
=
>>>been=20
>>> > instead of as a pretense for war,=20
>>>
>>> .........now if they would just build an asprin factory there, we
=
>>>could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like most of the people =
>>>there are black so this would be PC.
>>>
>>> flourishing nests of fanatical morons like=20
>>> > this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, I'm with
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