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---=_linux460feb78--"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:460ef748$1@linux...
>I understand what you're saying DJ and I'm in no way saying that humans
>aren't contributing to greenhouse gases..my only problem is that greenhouse
>gases make up such a small (almost insignificant) portion of our atmosphere
>that I personally find it hard to believe that Global Warming; if there is
>such a thing happening, is being driven by human activity
>
> DOn
One thing to think about here Don......deforestation.............the planet
used to be covered with plants that utilized C02. C02 may constitute only a
small portion of our atmosphere, but it's a critical part of the atmosphere.
When you talk about *almost insignificant* things, a 3 degree F rise in
global temperature may seem insignificant in and of itself, and the
inundation of 60 miles of continental coastline that this could create may
seem insignificant when you consider that 60 miles is insignificant when
you're talking about a continent that is over 3000 miles across, but also
consider the fact that a huge portion of the earth's population lives within
that 60 miles and since water tends to adhere to the laws of gravity,
depending on the topo in these various areas, this 60 miles is gonna just be
a drainage area for waterflow seeking the lowest point which means you'd
best start buying beachfront real estate on the eastern edge of the Mojave
and the Appalatians.
A little goes a long way when you start jacking around with the life support
system of a living organism and the earth is a living organism. We're just
sorta' starting to behave like a malignancy within that organism. A *almost
insignificant* tumor can kill you. Suppose someone strapped a respirator on
you and started mixing in elevated levels of C02 at higher temperatures than
98.6 degrees, thus alterering the basic composition of the gases you needed
to survive and warming your body to the point that you basically were
running a fever 24/7, and you had to breathe this to the exclusion of
anything else. Depending on how drastically the C02 was increased, you might
survive and eventually adapt, but you would initially be weaked by the
imbalance of the toxic gas and the fever and the this weakening would likely
hamper your capability to evolve an adaptation to the new environment. Now
add that to the fact that as you are weakening, the C02 levels and
temperature in your environment are being constantly elevated.
Maybe a good thin (not for us, but for everything but us) is that our
population density is getting to the point that we are are fast becoming a
petrii dish for some new bugs out there that could be considered by some to
be the earth's immune system. when the :*bird flu" white cells start
travelling through the earth's aerial circulatory system that Boeing,
Lockheed, Airbus, et al has so conveniently provided it, all but the
*resistant strains* may get whacked.Chris,
I have a MEC and an ADAT card here I can send you. Nobody wants them anyway.
;o)
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:460fe2fd@linux...
> Hey Folks,
> Ok with Gantt's current dilemma of trying to use the newer UAD stuff. I;m
> getting the itch to see if I can get Paris hardware/software to work well
> on new PC hardware.
> I obviously have access to the PC hardware stuff and I have PCI-e and PCI
> UAD cards to use (we build some of UADs in house test machines).
> So if any wants me to take on this test I'll need some Paris stuff sense I
> don't have anything now.
>
> Here is what I'd need as a minimum.
> 2x EDS cards w/ sync cables
> 2x MEC with data cables
> 2x C-16s
> Fxpansion 3.3
> If anyone wants the XP ADAT issues tested then I'd need some ADAT cards.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> Unfortunately I don't know enough science to analyze the whole scene and
> draw my own "scientific" conclusions. That said, I do find one specific
> datum from the movie compelling: that historically the CO2 has risen AFTER
> the warming. If this is indeed true, then one would have to be a fool to
> believe that increased CO2 emissions will greatly cause global warming.
> Surely we are all smart enough to acknowledge that.
>
> A key question is: hsitorically, which came first, the warming or the CO2
> increase? Who can umequivocally determine that?
Bill, you can read a good explanation here:
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/22/231145/76
In short, they can be interrelated, and the biggest driver in the end is
the C02. IOW, it fits into the picture we're getting, that humans are
now contributing to the current climate change.
If you can't draw your own scientific conclusions, it may make some
sense to listen to the conclusions that actual climate scientists are
drawing.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.comDJ,
Is the ASUS A7N8X any good for PARIS? I can get this mobo and a AMD 2400+CPU
and 2x 256 DDR Ram (PC3200) for $30
respect
Nappy
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Chris,
>
>I never did use the K8NSU 939 with Paris. The Aussie Kims both use these
>with Paris however with AMD 64 3700 single core CPU's.
>
>I had great luck with the ASUS A7V8X mobo and an AMD XP 2800 CPU for 3
>years. I'm sure you could go to an XP 3000 CPU with this mobo.
>
>Deej
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:460fc42d$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I have a Magma 13 slot PCI expander already, so, assuming I can put
>> together
>> a machine that's compatible, PCI slots are not an issue. Forgive me
if
>> this question seems stupid - Is building/selling/fixing computers what
you
>> do?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Gantt,
>>>They can but it is very dependent on the chipset used on the cardbus
>>>controller.
>>>
>>>Unless you stumble across a chassis used on EBay you might as well just
>>
>>>buy a desktop to do the Paris thing.
>>>Magma and other units go for $1500 plus when New.
>>>
>>>There are no motherboards that are currently being made that AFAIK have
>>
>>>been fully tested with Paris hardware.
>>>
>>>Most everyone is using stuff from a bout 2 years ago.
>>>
>>>The GigabyteK8NS - Ultra-939 that has a AMD X2 CPU works well for DJ.
>>>That is probably the newest board you will find and it is only available
>>
>>>used of refurb at this point.
>>>
>>>Also anything brand new will have at most 3 PCI slots. The rest are
>>>PCI-e. So if you have a more than 2 card Paris system your SOL.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>> My wife has an HP laptop for work, running Windows XP Media and XP Pro.
>> Are
>>>> there PCI expansion chassis that can make a laptop work w/ Paris? I've
>> seen
>>>> questions about this, but I don't recall if anyone's tried it...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've wondered about this here before, but I may be getting more serious
>>>>>
>>>> about
>>>>
>>>>> it:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been running Paris on a Mac G4, which means I'm stuck in OS 9.
>> That
>>>>> means I can't use any of the newer Waves and UAD-1 plugins because
they
>>>>>
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>> write their software for OS 10. So, if I switch to PC I'll be able
to
>> use
>>>>> the new plugins and hopefully will be rid of the intermitent weird
>>>>> noises
>>>>> I get w/ UAD-1 plugins.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO, can anyone give me an idea how much I'd have to spend to put
>>>>> together
>>>>> a rock solid state-of-the-current-art PC to run my audio stuff on?
I'd
>>>>>
>>>> also
>>>>
>>>>> need a new stereo editing/mastering program. What do you folks
>>>>> suggest?
>>>>> I assume I can still use my two Samsung LCD monitors and my Magma 13
>> slot
>>>>> expansion chassis. Can a PC network thru my Apple Airport system to
>> get
>>>>> online, print, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for so many stupid questions. I am, indeed, a PC idiot!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> XP home
>>>>>> rod
>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DAMN! Another reason to think about switching platforms... What
>> version
>>>>>>> of Windows are you using?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Running 4.5 here, on a PC with Paris. That's the latest, (except
for
>>>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>> latest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> latest, with the Helios) with all the Neve stuff. Runs great.
>>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This raises a question that I've been wondering about for a while
>> now
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is the most recent version of the UAD-1 FX you PC guys are able
to
>> use?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can the Neve EQ's and comps run in Paris on PC? On Mac we're stuck
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> back
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in UAD-1 v.3.9.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom. I'd be real interested in what you find out. I'm tempted
to
>> buy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the 31st (tomorrow) if it works, but if there's something that
>>>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in Paris, the...NOT.
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else been able to use this in Paris on a PC???
>>>>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>
>Nappy,
The A7V has a VIA chipset. the A7N is an NForce chipset. I don't know much
about the earlier NForce chipsets and Paris. the old via choipset worked
just fine. For $30.00 it might be worth a try.
Deej
"nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:460fec99$1@linux...
>
> DJ,
> Is the ASUS A7N8X any good for PARIS? I can get this mobo and a AMD
> 2400+CPU
> and 2x 256 DDR Ram (PC3200) for $30
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Chris,
>>
>>I never did use the K8NSU 939 with Paris. The Aussie Kims both use these
>
>>with Paris however with AMD 64 3700 single core CPU's.
>>
>>I had great luck with the ASUS A7V8X mobo and an AMD XP 2800 CPU for 3
>>years. I'm sure you could go to an XP 3000 CPU with this mobo.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:460fc42d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> I have a Magma 13 slot PCI expander already, so, assuming I can put
>>> together
>>> a machine that's compatible, PCI slots are not an issue. Forgiv
|
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80364 is a reply to message #80362] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 09:21 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com" target="_blank">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XP home
>>>>>>> rod
>>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DAMN! Another reason to think about switching platforms... What
>>> version
>>>>>>>> of Windows are you using?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gantt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Running 4.5 here, on a PC with Paris. That's the latest, (except
> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> latest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latest, with the Helios) with all the Neve stuff. Runs great.
>>>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This raises a question that I've been wondering about for a while
>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is the most recent version of the UAD-1 FX you PC guys are able
> to
>>> use?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can the Neve EQ's and comps run in Paris on PC? On Mac we're
>>>>>>>>>> stuck
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> back
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in UAD-1 v.3.9.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom. I'd be real interested in what you find out. I'm tempted
> to
>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the 31st (tomorrow) if it works, but if there's something that
>
>>>>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in Paris, the...NOT.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else been able to use this in Paris on a PC???
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>>
>I have posted about his in the past. This is the 800lb gorilla in the room.
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/mg18725124.500.h tml
Unfortunately, most forecasts do not take the methane leaching properly into
account, so the acceleration will probably be faster than most climatologists
currently predict.Don,
To follow up on my last post in regards to deforestation, prior to the last
10 years or so, I spent a goodly part of my life in southern Mexico. I have
watched as the area has changed from what was once a paradise to an
environmental trainwreck. This happened just between 1970 and 1995.
http://www.planeta.com/ecotravel/mexico/mxforest.html
I haven't been back down to that part of the world since 96 but I still have
quite a few friends there and we stay in touch on a regular basis. If you
are interested and want the scoop on what is happening, this is a good
source of info.
http://www.realoaxaca.com/
Stan seems to lean a bit to the left on many things, but he's that way for a
reason and he's a good and honest person. His monthly newsletter is usually
consistent with what I have seen and experienced there for many decades,
which is a real eye opener for those of us up here north of the Rio Grande
who may care to question why things down there affect what's happening up
here.
Regards,
Deej
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460febb3$1@linux...
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:460ef748$1@linux...
>>I understand what you're saying DJ and I'm in no way saying that humans
>>aren't contributing to greenhouse gases..my only problem is that
>>greenhouse gases make up such a small (almost insignificant) portion of
>>our atmosphere that I personally find it hard to believe that Global
>>Warming; if there is such a thing happening, is being driven by human
>>activity
>>
>> DOn
>
> One thing to think about here Don......deforestation.............the
> planet used to be covered with plants that utilized C02. C02 may
> constitute only a small portion of our atmosphere, but it's a critical
> part of the atmosphere. When you talk about *almost insignificant* things,
> a 3 degree F rise in global temperature may seem insignificant in and of
> itself, and the inundation of 60 miles of continental coastline that this
> could create may seem insignificant when you consider that 60 miles is
> insignificant when you're talking about a continent that is over 3000
> miles across, but also consider the fact that a huge portion of the
> earth's population lives within that 60 miles and since water tends to
> adhere to the laws of gravity, depending on the topo in these various
> areas, this 60 miles is gonna just be a drainage area for waterflow
> seeking the lowest point which means you'd best start buying beachfront
> real estate on the eastern edge of the Mojave and the Appalatians.
>
> A little goes a long way when you start jacking around with the life
> support system of a living organism and the earth is a living organism.
> We're just sorta' starting to behave like a malignancy within that
> organism. A *almost insignificant* tumor can kill you. Suppose someone
> strapped a respirator on you and started mixing in elevated levels of C02
> at higher temperatures than 98.6 degrees, thus alterering the basic
> composition of the gases you needed to survive and warming your body to
> the point that you basically were running a fever 24/7, and you had to
> breathe this to the exclusion of anything else. Depending on how
> drastically the C02 was increased, you might survive and eventually adapt,
> but you would initially be weaked by the imbalance of the toxic gas and
> the fever and the this weakening would likely hamper your capability to
> evolve an adaptation to the new environment. Now add that to the fact that
> as you are weakening, the C02 levels and temperature in your environment
> are being constantly elevated.
>
> Maybe a good thin (not for us, but for everything but us) is that our
> population density is getting to the point that we are are fast becoming a
> petrii dish for some new bugs out there that could be considered by some
> to be the earth's immune system. when the :*bird flu" white cells start
> travelling through the earth's aerial circulatory system that Boeing,
> Lockheed, Airbus, et al has so conveniently provided it, all but the
> *resistant strains* may get whacked.
>That's a good description of the straw man argument being put out there,
Don. It sounds plausible but it's a diversion.
Here's why:
The earth's climate HAS changed dramatically over time. No one is
claiming otherwise.
There are and have been a variety of causes. No one is claiming otherwise.
The science shows this clearly.
Setting up a straw man that no one is advocating and knocking it down
decisively may seem like a winning argument, but it's a fake argument
from the getgo.
So OK, right now, as in the past, we know that there are many drivers of
climate. Everyone agrees on this point.
However, today, unlike in the past, industrialized humans have joined
the list. The data shows human contributions to greenhouse gases.
The reason carbon in the atmosphere is important is that it sticks
around and accumulates for long periods of time. Unlike, for example,
water vapor which comes and goes on a quick schedule with evaporation
and precipitation.
Scientists have spent a long time and a lot of effort looking at all the
major suspects and so far they are not enough to account for the recent
warming trend. Whereas atmospheric carbon from human causes does account
for it.
How can what may seem like a relatively small amount of CO2 cause an
effect in a larger system?
As a mental example, consider a physical system that is in balance on a
pivot point. Even if it's a very massive system, a small amount of force
on one side or the other of the pivot point can change the balance.
The result of all our research so far gives us reasonable insights into
what may be going on in the atmosphere and how our activities may be a
significant cause for the changes we are now measuring.
That knowledge offers us the chance and the responsibility to future
generations to choose how we want to affect our home planet over time.
We can be informed and proactive or we can sit in willful confusion and
let the situation deteriorate.
Our choice.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Don Nafe wrote:
> Just so I've got this straight...according to the scientific data I am to
> believe that the smallest portion of our atmosphere (less than 3%) is in
> charge of our planet's temperature and that the sun, the oceans and cosmic
> triggers have little or no effect on our climate...and that the warming and
> cooling trends of the previous 600 million years on the earth don't matter
> because humans weren't a factor in those changes.
>
> Ok got it
>
> Don
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460edf8a$1@linux...
>> It's a viewpoint that ignores the main body of peer-reviewed scientific
>> evidence for the sake of sensationalism. It was done that way deliberately
>> by the producers, with no attempt at an objective look at the actual
>> scientific evidence.
>>
>> Google it to check out the story behind it. Fair and balanced it ain't.
>>
>> I do like the breathless announcer, fast cuts and dramatic music. It's
>> always fun to see a one-sided polemic that ironically accuses others of
>> being one-sided. I doubt anyone here is gullible enough to take it as an
>> objective authority.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>
>>> It's a British documentary showing another viewpoint about global warming
>>> and CO2. It's a viewpoint that is different from that of the man who
>>> invented the internet...
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:460febb3$1@linux...
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:460ef748$1@linux...
>>I understand what you're saying DJ and I'm in no way saying that humans
>>aren't contributing to greenhouse gases..my only problem is that
>>greenhouse gases make up such a small (almost insignificant) portion of
>>our atmosphere that I personally find it hard to believe that Global
>>Warming; if there is such a thing happening, is being driven by human
>>activity
>>
>> DOn
>
> One thing to think about here Don......deforestation.............the
> planet used to be covered with plants that utilized C02. C02 may
> constitute only a small portion of our atmosphere, but it's a critical
> part of the atmosphere. When you talk about *almost insignificant* things,
> a 3 degree F rise in global temperature may seem insignificant in and of
> itself, and the inundation of 60 miles of continental coastline that this
> could create may seem insignificant when you consider that 60 miles is
> insignificant when you're talking about a continent that is over 3000
> miles across, but also consider the fact that a huge portion of the
> earth's population lives within that 60 miles and since water tends to
> adhere to the laws of gravity, depending on the topo in these various
> areas, this 60 miles is gonna just be a drainage area for waterflow
> seeking the lowest point which means you'd best start buying beachfront
> real estate on the eastern edge of the Mojave and the Appalatians.
Only one problem Deej nobody's talking 3 degrees..it's all about 1/2 a
degree over a hundred years, which could be a naturally occurring event yet
no one wants to admit the possibilty because well, Global Warming is a big
business now
As for deforestation being a problem I agree but here in Canada most of our
logging companies have bought into the "replant what they harvest" mind set
(although I could be wrong) so we're doing our part at least from what I've
read (and yes there are exceptions so please nobody jump down my throat)
>
> A little goes a long way when you start jacking around with the life
> support system of a living organism and the earth is a living organism.
> We're just sorta' starting to behave like a malignancy within that
> organism. A *almost insignificant* tumor can kill you. Suppose someone
> strapped a respirator on you and started mixing in elevated levels of C02
> at higher temperatures than 98.6 degrees, thus alterering the basic
> composition of the gases you needed to survive and warming your body to
> the point that you basically were running a fever 24/7, and you had to
> breathe this to the exclusion of anything else. Depending on how
> drastically the C02 was increased, you might survive and eventually adapt,
> but you would initially be weaked by the imbalance of the toxic gas and
> the fever and the this weakening would likely hamper your capability to
> evolve an adaptation to the new environment. Now add that to the fact that
> as you are weakening, the C02 levels and temperature in your environment
> are being constantly elevated.
Ya lost me on that one...but it's going to take a heck of a lot more than
1/2 a degree change to drastically alter the chemical make up of our
atmosphere as history has demonstrated over the millenia. This is not to say
that we aren't facing some realities regarding Oil, Pollution, Water etc
that have to be addressed and personally I think that we can do a much
better job managing our resources and the environment and I for one do my
part not to mention hound my various levels of government and business to
get on board and start thinking long term Afterall I have kids and I'd like
give them a planet in better shape than it is now.
>
> Maybe a good thin (not for us, but for everything but us) is that our
> population density is getting to the point that we are are fast becoming a
> petrii dish for some new bugs out there that could be considered by some
> to be the earth's immune system. when the :*bird flu" white cells start
> travelling through the earth's aerial circulatory system that Boeing,
> Lockheed, Airbus, et al has so conveniently provided it, all but the
> *resistant strains* may get whacked.
Agreed...now where were we? oh yea. CO2
Is CO2 the cause of Global Warming...that's the multi billion dollar
question.
Personally I don't think so...but then again WTF do I know
>
>Thanks Doug.
respect
Nappy
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Nappy,
>
>The A7V has a VIA chipset. the A7N is an NForce chipset. I don't know much
>about the earlier NForce chipsets and Paris. the old via choipset worked
>just fine. For $30.00 it might be worth a try.
>
>Deej
>
>"nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:460fec99$1@linux...
>>
>> DJ,
>> Is the ASUS A7N8X any good for PARIS? I can get this mobo and a AMD
>> 2400+CPU
>> and 2x 256 DDR Ram (PC3200) for $30
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I never did use the K8NSU 939 with Paris. The Aussie Kims both use these
>>
>>>with Paris however with AMD 64 3700 single core CPU's.
>>>
>>>I had great luck with the ASUS A7V8X mobo and an AMD XP 2800 CPU for 3
>>>years. I'm sure you could go to an XP 3000 CPU with this mobo.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:460fc42d$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I have a Magma 13 slot PCI expander already, so, assuming I can put
>>>> together
>>>> a machine that's compatible, PCI slots are not an issue. Forgive me
>> if
>>>> this question seems stupid - Is building/selling/fixing computers what
>> you
>>>> do?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hi Gantt,
>>>>>They can but it is very dependent on the chipset used on the cardbus
>>>>>controller.
>>>>>
>>>>>Unless you stumble across a chassis used on EBay you might as well just
>>>>
>>>>>buy a desktop to do the Paris thing.
>>>>>Magma and other units go for $1500 plus when New.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are no motherboards that are currently being made that AFAIK have
>>>>
>>>>>been fully tested with Paris hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most everyone is using stuff from a bout 2 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>The GigabyteK8NS - Ultra-939 that has a AMD X2 CPU works well for DJ.
>>>>>That is probably the newest board you will find and it is only available
>>>>
>>>>>used of refurb at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also anything brand new will have at most 3 PCI slots. The rest are
>>>>>PCI-e. So if you have a more than 2 card Paris system your SOL.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt Kushner wrote:
>>>>>> My wife has an HP laptop for work, running Windows XP Media and XP
>>>>>> Pro.
>>>> Are
>>>>>> there PCI expansion chassis that can make a laptop work w/ Paris?
>>>>>> I've
>>>> seen
>>>>>> questions about this, but I don't recall if anyone's tried it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've wondered about this here before, but I may be getting more
>>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been running Paris on a Mac G4, which means I'm stuck in OS
9.
>>>> That
>>>>>>> means I can't use any of the newer Waves and UAD-1 plugins because
>> they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> write their software for OS 10. So, if I switch to PC I'll be able
>> to
>>>> use
>>>>>>> the new plugins and hopefully will be rid of the intermitent weird
>>
>>>>>>> noises
>>>>>>> I get w/ UAD-1 plugins.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SO, can anyone give me an idea how much I'd have to spend to put
>>>>>>> together
>>>>>>> a rock solid state-of-the-current-art PC to run my audio stuff on?
>> I'd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> also
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> need a new stereo editing/mastering program. What do you folks
>>>>>>> suggest?
>>>>>>> I assume I can still use my two Samsung LCD monitors and my Magma
13
>>>> slot
>>>>>>> expansion chassis. Can a PC network thru my Apple Airport system
to
>>>> get
>>>>>>> online, print, etc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for so many stupid questions. I am, indeed, a PC idiot!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> XP home
>>>>>>>> rod
>>>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DAMN! Another reason to think about switching platforms... What
>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> of Windows are you using?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gantt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Running 4.5 here, on a PC with Paris. That's the latest, (except
>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> latest, with the Helios) with all the Neve stuff. Runs great.
>>>>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This raises a question that I've been wondering about for a while
>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is the most recent version of the UAD-1 FX you PC guys are able
>> to
>>>> use?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can the Neve EQ's and comps run in Paris on PC? On Mac we're
>>>>>>>>>>> stuck
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> back
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in UAD-1 v.3.9.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom. I'd be real interested in what you find out. I'm tempted
>> to
>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 31st (tomorrow) if it works, but if there's something that
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Paris, the...NOT.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else been able to use this in Paris on a PC???
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80365 is a reply to message #80364] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 09:43 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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;>
>
>I have a spare EDS and a C16, possibly a second EDS...
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hey Folks,
>Ok with Gantt's current dilemma of trying to use the newer UAD stuff.
>I;m getting the itch to see if I can get Paris hardware/software to work
>well on new PC hardware.
>I obviously have access to the PC hardware stuff and I have PCI-e and
>PCI UAD cards to use (we build some of UADs in house test machines).
>So if any wants me to take on this test I'll need some Paris stuff sense
>I don't have anything now.
>
>Here is what I'd need as a minimum.
>2x EDS cards w/ sync cables
>2x MEC with data cables
>2x C-16s
>Fxpansion 3.3
>If anyone wants the XP ADAT issues tested then I'd need some ADAT cards.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris
>
>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762First off Gene, that is not CO2 I'm looking at...it is a myriad of shit we
humans spew into the atmosphere and yes CO2 is one of those ingrediants.
Can we do something about this overall pollution, damn right we can and we
have the technology now to make a significant impact.
What we need is the political will and the almighty consumer to voice their
opinion by demanding more from our governments and corporations as well as
from ourselves.
Reduce, reuse and recycle are starting points, developing real alternatives
for our energy needs is another starting point, motivating industry to clean
up their act is another starting point...the list goes on and on but the
bottom line is something can be done.
Jamie...I am not arguing that man is not contributing to the problem,
obviously we are, but you are basing everything on a 100 year period that is
granted "out of the ordinary" and insist it is solely man's contribution to
greenhouse gases that are the cause. I just think there's more here than
man's handiwork at work.
Any thoughts on that 11 year cycle of sunspot activity we just came out
of...interesting that the two years of back to back El Nino/ El Nina
coincided almost perfectly with the peak in sun spot activity between 1997
and 2002...could be a coincidence who am I to say.
And althought I sit squarely in the nay sayers camp I still think we as a
species had better smarten up pretty damn quick because global warming is
only one of many things we're going to have to deal with
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460ff509$1@linux...
>
> That's a good description of the straw man argument being put out there,
> Don. It sounds plausible but it's a diversion.
>
> Here's why:
>
> The earth's climate HAS changed dramatically over time. No one is claiming
> otherwise.
>
> There are and have been a variety of causes. No one is claiming otherwise.
>
> The science shows this clearly.
>
> Setting up a straw man that no one is advocating and knocking it down
> decisively may seem like a winning argument, but it's a fake argument from
> the getgo.
>
> So OK, right now, as in the past, we know that there are many drivers of
> climate. Everyone agrees on this point.
>
> However, today, unlike in the past, industrialized humans have joined the
> list. The data shows human contributions to greenhouse gases.
>
> The reason carbon in the atmosphere is important is that it sticks around
> and accumulates for long periods of time. Unlike, for example, water vapor
> which comes and goes on a quick schedule with evaporation and
> precipitation.
>
> Scientists have spent a long time and a lot of effort looking at all the
> major suspects and so far they are not enough to account for the recent
> warming trend. Whereas atmospheric carbon from human causes does account
> for it.
>
> How can what may seem like a relatively small amount of CO2 cause an
> effect in a larger system?
>
> As a mental example, consider a physical system that is in balance on a
> pivot point. Even if it's a very massive system, a small amount of force
> on one side or the other of the pivot point can change the balance.
>
> The result of all our research so far gives us reasonable insights into
> what may be going on in the atmosphere and how our activities may be a
> significant cause for the changes we are now measuring.
>
> That knowledge offers us the chance and the responsibility to future
> generations to choose how we want to affect our home planet over time.
>
> We can be informed and proactive or we can sit in willful confusion and
> let the situation deteriorate.
>
> Our choice.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> Just so I've got this straight...according to the scientific data I am to
>> believe that the smallest portion of our atmosphere (less than 3%) is in
>> charge of our planet's temperature and that the sun, the oceans and
>> cosmic triggers have little or no effect on our climate...and that the
>> warming and cooling trends of the previous 600 million years on the earth
>> don't matter because humans weren't a factor in those changes.
>>
>> Ok got it
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> news:460edf8a$1@linux...
>>> It's a viewpoint that ignores the main body of peer-reviewed scientific
>>> evidence for the sake of sensationalism. It was done that way
>>> deliberately by the producers, with no attempt at an objective look at
>>> the actual scientific evidence.
>>>
>>> Google it to check out the story behind it. Fair and balanced it ain't.
>>>
>>> I do like the breathless announcer, fast cuts and dramatic music. It's
>>> always fun to see a one-sided polemic that ironically accuses others of
>>> being one-sided. I doubt anyone here is gullible enough to take it as an
>>> objective authority.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>>
>>>> It's a British documentary showing another viewpoint about global
>>>> warming and CO2. It's a viewpoint that is different from that of the
>>>> man who invented the internet...
>>once that surfaces from the ocean floors we're effed.
On 2 Apr 2007 03:44:43 +1000, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I have posted about his in the past. This is the 800lb gorilla in the room.
>
> http://environment.newscientist.com/article/mg18725124.500.h tml
>
>Unfortunately, most forecasts do not take the methane leaching properly into
>account, so the acceleration will probably be faster than most climatologists
>currently predict.Hey Don, we agree that there is more than human effects at work. The key
point is that human causes could be adding to other causes to tip the
balance.
Solar causes are exceedingly important to climate. But the measured data
shows that changes in the Sun's output are not the culprit for the
current warming:
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/28/090/30666
"According to PMOD at the World Radiation Center there has been no
increase in solar irradiance since at least 1978, when satellite
observations began. This means that for the last thirty years, while the
temperature has been rising fastest, the sun has not changed."
Based on current research, climate scientists are concerned with climate
changes that could be occurring due to human contributed greenhouse
gases. The changes could possibly accelerate due to other carbon sources
thawing and adding to the problem. We would be wise to pay attention.
Smaller actions now may be more effective than larger actions later.
I agree that something can be done, and your solutions are a good place
to start.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
PS.
I don't know about sunspot data that may correspond with el nino/nina
(ocean-based weather driving events), but if so it would be an
interesting area for research, to see if there is a mechanism to ascribe
any sort of cause/effect relationship.
Don Nafe wrote:
> First off Gene, that is not CO2 I'm looking at...it is a myriad of shit we
> humans spew into the atmosphere and yes CO2 is one of those ingrediants.
>
> Can we do something about this overall pollution, damn right we can and we
> have the technology now to make a significant impact.
>
> What we need is the political will and the almighty consumer to voice their
> opinion by demanding more from our governments and corporations as well as
> from ourselves.
>
> Reduce, reuse and recycle are starting points, developing real alternatives
> for our energy needs is another starting point, motivating industry to clean
> up their act is another starting point...the list goes on and on but the
> bottom line is something can be done.
>
>
> Jamie...I am not arguing that man is not contributing to the problem,
> obviously we are, but you are basing everything on a 100 year period that is
> granted "out of the ordinary" and insist it is solely man's contribution to
> greenhouse gases that are the cause. I just think there's more here than
> man's handiwork at work.
>
> Any thoughts on that 11 year cycle of sunspot activity we just came out
> of...interesting that the two years of back to back El Nino/ El Nina
> coincided almost perfectly with the peak in sun spot activity between 1997
> and 2002...could be a coincidence who am I to say.
>
> And althought I sit squarely in the nay sayers camp I still think we as a
> species had better smarten up pretty damn quick because global warming is
> only one of many things we're going to have to deal with
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460ff509$1@linux...
>> That's a good description of the straw man argument being put out there,
>> Don. It sounds plausible but it's a diversion.
>>
>> Here's why:
>>
>> The earth's climate HAS changed dramatically over time. No one is claiming
>> otherwise.
>>
>> There are and have been a variety of causes. No one is claiming otherwise.
>>
>> The science shows this clearly.
>>
>> Setting up a straw man that no one is advocating and knocking it down
>> decisively may seem like a winning argument, but it's a fake argument from
>> the getgo.
>>
>> So OK, right now, as in the past, we know that there are many drivers of
>> climate. Everyone agrees on this point.
>>
>> However, today, unlike in the past, industrialized humans have joined the
>> list. The data shows human contributions to greenhouse gases.
>>
>> The reason carbon in the atmosphere is important is that it sticks around
>> and accumulates for long periods of time. Unlike, for example, water vapor
>> which comes and goes on a quick schedule with evaporation and
>> precipitation.
>>
>> Scientists have spent a long time and a lot of effort looking at all the
>> major suspects and so far they are not enough to account for the recent
>> warming trend. Whereas atmospheric carbon from human causes does account
>> for it.
>>
>> How can what may seem like a relatively small amount of CO2 cause an
>> effect in a larger system?
>>
>> As a mental example, consider a physical system that is in balance on a
>> pivot point. Even if it's a very massive system, a small amount of force
>> on one side or the other of the pivot point can change the balance.
>>
>> The result of all our research so far gives us reasonable insights into
>> what may be going on in the atmosphere and how our activities may be a
>> significant cause for the changes we are now measuring.
>>
>> That knowledge offers us the chance and the responsibility to future
>> generations to choose how we want to affect our home planet over time.
>>
>> We can be informed and proactive or we can sit in willful confusion and
>> let the situation deteriorate.
>>
>> Our choice.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> Just so I've got this straight...according to the scientific data I am to
>>> believe that the smallest portion of our atmosphere (less than 3%) is in
>>> charge of our planet's temperature and that the sun, the oceans and
>>> cosmic triggers have little or no effect on our climate...and that the
>>> warming and cooling trends of the previous 600 million years on the earth
>>> don't matter because humans weren't a factor in those changes.
>>>
>>> Ok got it
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>> news:460edf8a$1@linux...
>>>> It's a viewpoint that ignores the main body of peer-reviewed scientific
>>>> evidence for the sake of sensationalism. It was done that way
>>>> deliberately by the producers, with no attempt at an objective look at
>>>> the actual scientific evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Google it to check out the story behind it. Fair and balanced it ain't.
>>>>
>>>> I do like the breathless announcer, fast cuts and dramatic music. It's
>>>> always fun to see a one-sided polemic that ironically accuses others of
>>>> being one-sided. I doubt anyone here is gullible enough to take it as an
>>>> objective authority.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a British documentary showing another viewpoint about global
>>>>> warming and CO2. It's a viewpoint that is different from that of the
>>>>> man who invented the internet...
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460fec68$1@linux...
> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>> Unfortunately I don't know enough science to analyze the whole scene and
>> draw my own "scientific" conclusions. That said, I do find one specific
>> datum from the movie compelling: that historically the CO2 has risen
>> AFTER the warming. If this is indeed true, then one would have to be a
>> fool to believe that increased CO2 emissions will greatly cause global
>> warming. Surely we are all smart enough to acknowledge that.
>>
>> A key question is: hsitorically, which came first, the warming or the CO2
>> increase? Who can umequivocally determine that?
>
> Bill, you can read a good explanation here:
>
> http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/22/231145/76
>
> In short, they can be interrelated, and the biggest driver in the end is
> the C02. IOW, it fits into the picture we're getting, that humans are now
> contributing to the current climate change.
>
> If you can't draw your own scientific conclusions, it may make some sense
> to listen to the conclusions that actual climate scientists are drawing.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
We have two experts on climate here in Ottawa and both disagree vehemently
that CO2 is the major cause of the warming trend we are presently
experiencing. In fact one of them is a climate modelling expert and you
should hear him rail against the models that are being used by the Global
Warmists.
All I can say Jamie is we will have to agree to disagree but I'm keeping an
open mind albeit a skeptical one.Hi Jamie,
I read the article, and it indicated that CO2 did not trigger the warming,
but that it was part of the after/contributing effects.
I wish we would all work on positive actions we can take to handle the
sitaution instead of what we must give up and stop doing and make amends
for. People like to DO things not give up things. They like to CREATE, not
reduce, and frankly it's better for them. I would much rather go on an
excercise program than a low calory diet. Telling a person to stop doing
something is much less effective than showing them how to do something
different and better (and hopefully more fun).
Let's work on creative ways to make posotive changes in our world. One of
the articles posted above pointed out that we will have more food production
as an effect of global warming. Well that's a good thing, and we can
capitalize on it by helping to ameliorate famine, but that's never mentioned
by the blamers and takers-away.
Speaking very honestly, I would be OK with having fewer polar bears if the
millions of starving people on Earth could eat a healthy diet. But ideally
we can find solutions that don't harm anything, but actually SOLVE the
problem, not just reduce all the bad things we humans are doing to the poor
pitiful world. Let's get really smart and handle the hell out of it instead
of tiptoeing around being all careful and apologetic. Let's have some fun!
Bill L
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460fec68$1@linux...
> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>> Unfortunately I don't know enough science to analyze the whole scene and
>> draw my own "scientific" conclusions. That said, I do find one specific
>> datum from the movie compelling: that historically the CO2 has risen
>> AFTER the warming. If this is indeed true, then one would have to be a
>> fool to believe that increased CO2 emissions will greatly cause global
>> warming. Surely we are all smart enough to acknowledge that.
>>
>> A key question is: hsitorically, which came first, the warming or the CO2
>> increase? Who can umequivocally determine that?
>
> Bill, you can read a good explanation here:
>
> http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/22/231145/76
>
> In short, they can be interrelated, and the biggest driver in the end is
> the C02. IOW, it fits into the picture we're getting, that humans are now
> contributing to the current climate change.
>
> If you can't draw your own scientific conclusions, it may make some sense
> to listen to the conclusions that actual climate scientists are drawing.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070401/D8O8326G0.htmlOK,
Here's a question . . . let's say for a second there really is a
scientific debate about the threat of global warming . . . what is wrong
with "Better safe than sorry?" Doesn't such common sense apply to the
health of the biosphere?
I hate to use the smoking analogy, but that's only because I didn't
think of it first. :) I think it's a good analogy. The idea that inhaling
tobacco smoke is unhealthy was around long before scientists in the '60s
apparently convinced the surgeon general (or somebody) that "smoking may be
hazardous to your health." Yeah, just maybe. My father quit immediately
when the warnings became official. My mother said, "Oh, nonsense," and died
of lung cancer in the late '70s. As a nurse on a medical unit, I see the
damage from smoking every day, yet there are still lots of people smoking,
and even people who deny the health hazards!
Smokers seem to come in two broad categories . . . those who say, "I
know I should quit, but I'm not ready," and those who say, "Ah, it's
bullshit. My grandpa smoked and lived to be 99!"
Now scientists have put a big sticker across petroleum, gas, and coal,
"Warning: burning of fossil fuels may be hazardous to life on earth." As
with cigarette smoking, some of us want to quit right away -- why take
chances? Others seem to be saying, well, maybe this is a problem, but I'm
not ready to quit. Others deny the warnings altogether and light up another
SUV.
The problem with the smoking analogy is that we can't just send the
global warming denyers outside, like we do with smokers. Do we really want
to wait and see if the predicted disasters happen and then go, "Damn, I
guess we should've done more sooner!" ? I like Portland as it is, and I
don't like the idea of it being on a little island off the coast of Oregon.
If there's even a chance that Al Gore's Inconvenience is True, I say let's
change things agressively NOW.
But come on . . . there's way more than a chance. Isn't this really
about resistance to change?
I have several friends who still smoke, including a couple of nurses.
None of these people denies the risks, but I really think underneath it all
they just don't give a crap. "Hey, everybody dies of something."
Is that what's really going on with the global warming "debate"? Is it
really just a battle between those who give a crap and those who don't? I
realize even planets don't last forever, but I think this one has a few good
millenia left in it if we can get it to lay off the cigarettes. :)
Sarah
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message news:460ec4f9@linux...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk&mode=related& amp;search=
>
> It's a British documentary showing another viewpoint about global warming
> and CO2. It's a viewpoint that is different from that of the man who
> invented the internet...
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>"The worst stuff is not going to happen because we can't be that stupid,"
>said Harvard University oceanographer James McCarthy.
>
>This is the optimistic opinion of a person who does not frequent the Paris
>users group.
>
>Gene :-(
I do not believe anyone here is stupid.
DCThey give a pretty compelling response to this in the movie.
Take a look.
DC
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>OK,
>
> Here's a question . . . let's say for a second there really is a
>scientific debate about the threat of global warming . . . what is wrong
>with "Better safe than sorry?" Doesn't such common sense apply to the
>health of the biosphere?
>
> I hate to use the smoking analogy, but that's only because I didn't
>think of it first. :) I think it's a good analogy. The idea that inhaling
>tobacco smoke is unhealthy was around long before scientists in the '60s
>apparently convinced the surgeon general (or somebody) that "smoking may
be
>hazardous to your health." Yeah, just maybe. My father quit immediately
>when the warnings became official. My mother said, "Oh, nonsense," and
died
>of lung cancer in the late '70s. As a nurse on a medical unit, I see the
>damage from smoking every day, yet there are still lots of people smoking,
>and even people who deny the health hazards!
>
> Smokers seem to come in two broad categories . . . those who say, "I
>know I should quit, but I'm not ready," and those who say, "Ah, it's
>bullshit. My grandpa smoked and lived to be 99!"
>
> Now scientists have put a big sticker across petroleum, gas, and coal,
>"Warning: burning of fossil fuels may be hazardous to life on earth." As
>with cigarette smoking, some of us want to quit right away -- why take
>chances? Others seem to be saying, well, maybe this is a problem, but I'm
>not ready to quit. Others deny the warnings altogether and light up another
>SUV.
>
> The problem with the smoking analogy is that we can't just send the
>global warming denyers outside, like we do with smokers. Do we really want
>to wait and see if the predicted disasters happen and then go, "Damn, I
>guess we should've done more sooner!" ? I like Portland as it is, and I
>don't like the idea of it being on a little island off the coast of Oregon.
>If there's even a chance that Al Gore's Inconvenience is True, I say let's
>change things agressively NOW.
>
> But come on . . . there's way more than a chance. Isn't this really
>about resistance to change?
>
> I have several friends who still smoke, including a couple of nurses.
>None of these people denies the risks, but I really think underneath it
all
>they just don't give a crap. "Hey, everybody dies of something."
>
> Is that what's really going on with the global warming "debate"? Is
it
>really just a battle between those who give a crap and those who don't?
I
>realize even planets don't last forever, but I think this one has a few
good
>millenia left in it if we can get it to lay off the cigarettes. :)
>
>Sarah
>
>
>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message news:460ec4f9@linux...
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk&mode=related& amp;search=
>>
>> It's a British documentary showing another viewpoint about global warming
>> and CO2. It's a viewpoint that is different from that of the man who
>> invented the internet...
>>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinthetoposphere.org> wrote:
>
>I do not believe anyone here is stupid.
>
>DC
Neither do I, but even extremely intelligent people can do very dumb things.
If we all sit back and wait till its too late, we will have acted very stupid,
regardless of how intelligent we are. There are many intelligent members
of our government who are acting quite stupid on a daily basis. Being intelligent
and acting intelligent are quite different things.
Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but we have only one Earth. If
a few very vocal skeptics succeed in delaying the commitment needed to change
the direction the environment is heading, those people will have done serious
harm to the majority of people on the planet, even if that was not their
intention.
If the environmental and scientific communities are right and the naysayers
are wrong, the naysayers are fucking up my one-and-only World and I feel
I should have the right to fight for it.
A major problem continues to be the millions that have been spent on the
disinformation campaign. The energy industry (with the help of our government)
has done this to protect its astronomical profits and many conservative organizations
and individuals have gotten on-board because of long time alignments with
big business. But today we must look beyond historic political alignments
and find a solution for the planet. That is why many are coming around. The
science is clear. The world will soon be divided into those who are willing
to make personal sacrifices for the future of the planet and those who will
continue to go for everything they can personally amass. A third group, which
I am a member of, will be willing to fight to save what s left. And the fight
starts with speaking out!
GeneHey, cowboy :)
I guess you missed my post above. I watched the movie, and I addressed
that response in my first post above. As you may notice, I found his
implication regarding the Third World somewhat less than compelling.
S
"DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
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> They give a pretty compelling response to this in the movie.
>
> Take a look.
>
> DC
>
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>OK,
>>
>> Here's a question . . . let's say for a second there really is a
>>scientific debate about the threat of global warming . . . what is wrong
>
>>with "Better safe than sorry?" Doesn't such common sense apply to the
>>health of the biosphere?
>>
>> I hate to use the smoking analogy, but that's only because I didn't
>
>>think of it first. :) I think it's a good analogy. The idea that
>>inhaling
>
>>tobacco smoke is unhealthy was around long before scientists in the '60s
>
>>apparently convinced the surgeon general (or somebody) that "smoking may
> be
>>hazardous to your health." Yeah, just maybe. My father quit immediately
>
>>when the warnings became official. My mother said, "Oh, nonsense," and
> died
>>of lung cancer in the late '70s. As a nurse on a medical unit, I see the
>
>>damage from smoking every day, yet there are still lots of people smoking,
>
>>and even people who deny the health hazards!
>>
>> Smokers seem to come in two broad categories . . . those who say, "I
>
>>know I should quit, but I'm not ready," and those who say, "Ah, it's
>>bullshit. My grandpa smoked and lived to be 99!"
>>
>> Now scientists have put a big sticker across petroleum, gas, and coal,
>
>>"Warning: burning of fossil fuels may be hazardous to life on earth." As
>
>>with cigarette smoking, some of us want to quit right away -- why take
>>chances? Others seem to be saying, well, maybe this is a problem, but I'm
>
>>not ready to quit. Others deny the warnings altogether and light up
>>another
>
>>SUV.
>>
>> The problem with the smoking analogy is that we can't just send the
>
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warming.
OK, back to now. We are releasing C02 directly into the system. The
planet is warming. Warming can lead to more greenhouse gases being
released (melting tundra, for example) which leads to more warming.
This is risky behavior on our part. We can already see effects and the
greenhouse gases we've released will be in the atmosphere for a very
long time. And we continue to add an increasing amount even as we speak.
Alarms are going off in the scientific world. We can see what is
happening. A consensus of experts in varied fields are making the
connections. This is an immediate challenge. How do we respond?
As you imply, it would be difficult to stop our current behaviors
instantly. That would cause some immediate new problems.
But we can look at the total sum of changes needed to mitigate the
greenhouse gases we produce. Then, look at possible solutions and the
amount of mitigation available from each solution. We can then choose
the optimal combination of solutions to apply, together, that add up to
the amount of mitigation needed.
Here's one article proposing possible solutions:
"Humanity already possesses the fundamental scientific, technical, and
industrial know-how to solve the carbon and climate problem for the next
half-century.
A portfolio of technologies now exists to meet the world’s energy needs
over the next 50 years and limit atmospheric CO 2 to a trajectory that
avoids a doubling of the preindustrial concentration. Every element in
this portfolio has passed beyond the laboratory bench and demonstration
project; many are already implemented somewhere at full industrial scale.
Although no element is a credible candidate for doing the entire job (or
even half the job) by itself, the portfolio as a whole is large enough
that not every element has to be used."
Here's their list - choose 7 to expand into solution "wedges":
1. Efficient vehicles
2. Reduced use of vehicles
3. Efficient buildings
4. Efficient baseload coal plants
5. Gas baseload power for coal
6. Capture CO2 at baseload power plant
7. Capture CO2 at H2 plant
8. Capture CO2 at coal-to-synfuels plant
9. Nuclear power for coal power
10. Wind power for coal power
11. PV power for coal power
12. Wind H2 in fuel-cell car for gasoline in hybrid car
13. Biomass fuel for fossil fuel
14. Reduced deforestation, plus reforestation
15. Conservation tillage
Much more info in the artlcle:
http://carbonsequestration.us/Papers-presentations/htm/Pacal a-Socolow-ScienceMag-Aug2004.pdf
A similar article is in the September 2006 issue of Scientific American
which focuses on "how to power the economy and still fight global warming."
Look for the issue called "Energy's Future Beyond Carbon." They did a
great job of covering major options. Worth a trip to the library or
ordering from the web site.
(Volume 295, Number 3 - www.sciam.com - with some free overviews
available here: http://www.sciam.com/issue.cfm?issueDate=Sep-06)
Bill I like your idea of positive actions, and the quickest first action
is to do everything we can to encourage efficiency.
A simple example is using a compact fluorescent light bulb instead of a
standard incandescent light bulb. Both create light and heat. The CF
creates more light, less heat. The incandescent bulb creates mostly
heat, relatively little light. It should be called a "heat" bulb not a
"light" bulb. It is, in fact, the heating element for the easy bake oven.
If everyone switches to CF, we can build fewer power plants and save on
greenhouse gas emissions. While still lighting our lives. New LED
lighting technology is also worth looking at for efficiency.
We need more technologies like those. From appliances to transportation
to manufacturing. Energy policy should be written to encourage
efficiency. Do the same work with less wasteful approaches.
This will also save money and stimulate new markets. Let's have some
fun, indeed!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
>
> I read the article, and it indicated that CO2 did not trigger the warming,
> but that it was part of the after/contributing effects.
>
> I wish we would all work on positive actions we can take to handle the
> sitaution instead of what we must give up and stop doing and make amends
> for. People like to DO things not give up things. They like to CREATE, not
> reduce, and frankly it's better for them. I would much rather go on an
> excercise program than a low calory diet. Telling a person to stop doing
> something is much less effective than showing them how to do something
> different and better (and hopefully more fun).
>
> Let's work on creative ways to make posotive changes in our world. One of
> the articles posted above pointed out that we will have more food production
> as an effect of global warming. Well that's a good thing, and we can
> capitalize on it by helping to ameliorate famine, but that's never mentioned
> by the blamers and takers-away.
>
> Speaking very honestly, I would be OK with having fewer polar bears if the
> millions of starving people on Earth could eat a healthy diet. But ideally
> we can find solutions that don't harm anything, but actually SOLVE the
> problem, not just reduce all the bad things we humans are doing to the poor
> pitiful world. Let's get really smart and handle the hell out of it instead
> of tiptoeing around being all careful and apologetic. Let's have some fun!
>
> Bill L
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460fec68$1@linux...
>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>> Unfortunately I don't know enough science to analyze the whole scene and
>>> draw my own "scientific" conclusions. That said, I do find one specific
>>> datum from the movie compelling: that historically the CO2 has risen
>>> AFTER the warming. If this is indeed true, then one would have to be a
>>> fool to believe that increased CO2 emissions will greatly cause global
>>> warming. Surely we are all smart enough to acknowledge that.
>>>
>>> A key question is: hsitorically, which came first, the warming or the CO2
>>> increase? Who can umequivocally determine that?
>> Bill, you can read a good explanation here:
>>
>> http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/22/231145/76
>>
>> In short, they can be interrelated, and the biggest driver in the end is
>> the C02. IOW, it fits into the picture we're getting, that humans are now
>> contributing to the current climate change.
>>
>> If you can't draw your own scientific conclusions, it may make some sense
>> to listen to the conclusions that actual climate scientists are drawing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>If the environmental and scientific communities are right and the naysayers
>are wrong, the naysayers are fucking up my one-and-only World and I feel
>I should have the right to fight for it.
And some of the scientific community disagrees.
They should be heard, not silenced, nor smeared.
If climate change (which even developing an actual "global
temperature" is quite in dispute about) really correlates
closely to sun activity, and the basis for calling carbon the
culprit is in dispute, then the brave and courageous ones are
on the other side aren't they? Especially with the vicousness
of the campaign against them, they look virtuous, rather than
scummy.
You are sure of being right. I am unconvinced either you or
"the naysayers" are right at this point.
There are agendas (other than "saving the planet") potentially
corrupting both viewpoints.
One thing we know is that the scientists are not going to
is shutup,even when smeared and threatened with death,
as Ball has been.
But then, he is just an "industry spokesman", right?
There is no evidence of that. It looks like a smear campaign.
I am willing to be wrong. I am still very worried about all
this, but millions of us are still looking, without our minds
made up. Don't think we are stupid, nor being stupid, nor
greedy, nor grabbing to amass everything we can.
DC"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>As you may notice, I found his
>implication regarding the Third World somewhat less than compelling.
Hi Sarah!
Hey, I think the African was telling the truth, and really wants
the basics of civilization, but here is what really worries me
about "playing it safe"
We are not only likely to ruin our economies, but, because of
huge loopholes in things like Kyoto (exempting certain countries
from the goals) we are likely to drastically increase pollution
and greenhouse gases as all manufacturing moves to the
exempted countries. I saw it happen in the furniture biz here
in California. My brother's company closed and moved to
Mexico because of their pollution exemptions! The furniture
biz is almost dead in CA because of ill-considered enviromental
regs, but thrives in Mexico, where the (much higher) pollution
wafts right back across the border...
WTF?
Politics and socialism infect and corrupt most enviromental
movements. It's like the stupidity of being dependant on the
middle east (of all places) for energy. Every time someone
brings up the strategic horrors of this situation, someone
starts talking about "alternative energy". It's like our worldwide
crisis, which could lead to a huge war, is their "big opportunity"
to remind us of geothermal... ??
Oh, and our president gives his
brother's buddies in FL, "no drilling" laws to protect their
precious ocean views from the heartbreak of looking at
drilling platforms... (hey wasn't he an oil-company shill?)
We have become so selfish...
My solution would be to slam the door on both the energy
industry lobby, AND the environmental lobby, and first
go on a crash diet to eliminate middle eastern oil in ten years.
First, we drill drill drill. Don't like oil platforms?
Move to Antartica.
At the same time, we look at every viable alternative and
take it as far as it can be taken.
Manhattan-project priority to both projects.
And NO scientist should be smeared nor threatened unless
it is proven that they are corrupt. We MUST remove ideology
from this process and get the truth.
We need the truth, not the "truth", meaning my truth or your
truth, and the damn shouting loudmouths on both sides need
to lose their place at the table.
That movie did not create the opposition to the global warming
consensus, it simply exposed it.
my .02
DCBTW, I think that if we had a president that was actually capable
of doing the right thing, he/she would be assassinated asap.
The really fugged-up thing is you just don't know which side
would do it first?
A middle eastern wacko?
An Oregon anarcho-enviro wacko?
(sorry, not you those guys down 5 a ways)
An energy industry hit man?
Tim McVeigh's cousin?
This is what is so bad about the times we live in. It is not
that certain people want an apocolypse, it's that I am not
sure anyone can stop it...
I would love to be wrong.
DCHey Jon! Glad to hear you finally got a DM-3200. We are going to need a
full report when you get some time in on it: )
Can you tell us anymore about what you think of it so far? The big question
is, how are the mic pres, and of course the overall sound??? I hear the
pres are good, and the mixes sound good, but I'd like to hear from you on
this. Down the road, it would be cool if you could post some audio.
There is a lot to learn with that one. You should go to the Tascam forums
for help, I hear the manual is not so great.
James
"Jon Jiles" <nojij@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hi peeps.. hope everyone is well...
>
>Well.. I took the leap. I was able to get a screaming deal from a little
>studio in SF on a 5 month old, low hour DM3200 with a meter bridge and I'm
>now deep in the throes of trying to understand it all and learn Cubase 4.
>
>The new firewire card is still only marginally available and waiting on
one
>but I picked up a used MOTU 2408mk3 to use in the interim. Having some clocking
>issues right now so I'm sure you'll be hearing from me...
>
>Thanks again to everyone for all of the advice..
>
>Party on Garth,
>Jon
>Hi,
Although I had a magma and sold it wanna get one back again...
Now is there any cable for magma sold cheap from a third party source ?
Secondly if I buy barebone pci board and the interface cards will this (13slot)
board fit on ANY normal pc case ATX ?
Thanks
Dimitrios....not when our believings are just for the day...
....but what about tomorrow and the coming future when we're all just talk
and discuss it as our believings in the day, for tomorrow??...
For me, this has nothing to do with believings at all, it has to do with the
future for our children an grandchildren on this planet!
Erling
"DC" <dc@spammersinthetoposphere.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4610489d$1@linux...
>
> I do not believe anyone here is stupid.
>
> DC
>....are you talking about some kind of which came first, as "the chicken or
the egg"?...
erlilo
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i en meddelelse
news:460fe430@linux...
> A key question is: hsitorically, which came first, the warming or the CO2
> increase? Who can umequivocally determine that?
>
> Bill
>I can come up with an EDS card and a C16 and I
have the FX Expasion somewhere...
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hey Folks,
>Ok with Gantt's current dilemma of trying to use the newer UAD stuff.
>I;m getting the itch to see if I can get Paris hardware/software to work
>well on new PC hardware.
>I obviously have access to the PC hardware stuff and I have PCI-e and
>PCI UAD cards to use (we build some of UADs in house test machines).
>So if any wants me to take on this test I'll need some Paris stuff sense
>I don't have anything now.
>
>Here is what I'd need as a minimum.
>2x EDS cards w/ sync cables
>2x MEC with data cables
>2x C-16s
>Fxpansion 3.3
>If anyone wants the XP ADAT issues tested then I'd need some ADAT cards.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris
>
>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762I got the 24" westinghouse lcd yesterday and I'm looking for a 20 foot hdmi
cable that can do 1920x1200 without loss. Any ideas who makes such a cable?
I see some advertised for $50 but don't know if they can do the high res.
Thanks for any tips.
JohnWhile the "right thing" is certain still under debate, I think the
reality is that if the President were to attempt a radical shift in
our energy policy, he would find his political (i.e. financial)
backers would desert him long before an assassin's bullets, bombs, or
infectious poodles would ever have a chance to work.
I am amused by all the debate on this subject in this newsgroup, but
until large sections of our economy no longer rely on petrodollars,
the changes people desire are not likely to come about by governmental
proclimation. Thousands (millions?) of jobs ( = livelihoods = votes)
are at stake.
In an analogous, fashion, what if the President declared that ProTools
was now banned? How many studios would go out of business as a result
of that? Hmmm, come to think of it...
- Paul Artola
Real World, Maryland
On 2 Apr 2007 15:14:13 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>BTW, I think that if we had a president that was actually capable
>of doing the right thing, he/she would be assassinated asap.
>
>The really fugged-up thing is you just don't know which side
>would do it first?
>
>A middle eastern wacko?
>An Oregon anarcho-enviro wacko?
>(sorry, not you those guys down 5 a ways)
>An energy industry hit man?
>Tim McVeigh's cousin?
>
>This is what is so bad about the times we live in. It is not
>that certain people want an apocolypse, it's that I am not
>sure anyone can stop it...
>
>I would love to be wrong.
>
>DC
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------=_NextPart_000_01AF_01C77508.82AAFAA0--"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>
> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>
> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any previous
warming periods.
>
> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the ultimate
> warming.
>
Then can you explain
a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
b) what caused the eventual cooling periodshttp://apnews.excite.com/article/20070402/D8O8H0EG0.htmlhttp://apnews.excite.com/article/20070402/D8O8H0EG0.htmlThat's great!
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>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070402/D8O8GO300.htmlHi John,
Give these guys a call:
http://www.cablestogo.com/product_list.asp?cat%5Fid=3307
Good luck!
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>I got the 24" westinghouse lcd yesterday and I'm looking for a 20 foot hdmi
>cable that can do 1920x1200 without loss. Any ideas who makes such a cable?
> I see some advertised for $50 but don't know if they can do the high res.
> Thanks for any tips.
>JohnDimitrios,
"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet>@.gr> wrote in message
news:4610ceda$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> Although I had a magma and sold it wanna get one back again...
> Now is there any cable for magma sold cheap from a third party source ?
I once had a contact for the 80 pin flat ribbon cables. I cannot find it
now. The newer cables appear to be some kind of SCSI protocall.
> Secondly if I buy barebone pci board and the interface cards will this
> (13slot)
> board fit on ANY normal pc case ATX ?
Not without some major surgery to the back of the case. The 13 slots on the
backplane will take up the area where the I/O connectors are located on a
normal mobo and the spacing between the slots may not line up exactly with
the precut slots in case backplate.
Deej"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If This guy Jason keeps developing Reaper, and keeps the price the same,
> all the other companies are going to have problems competing. Who is
> going
> to want to pay a thousand dollars when you can buy Reaper for $39.00?
And I think he's making Ardour look pretty bad too... ;-)
Doug ("Why use Ardour when for only $39...")
http://www.parisfaqs.comDon Nafe wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>
>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
>> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
>> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>
>
> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any previous
> warming periods.
What evidence is that?
Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
previous warming events?
Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
the current warming event?
From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
"Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would
follow from unprecedented events.
But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
relevant insights and dire warnings.
During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the
importance of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago,
ocean pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose
over 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible
to know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive
releases of methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller
warming or changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean,
atmosphere, and temperatures to return to their previous state. The
result was a mass extinction event that took millions of years to
recover from.
We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of
greenhouse gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped
its frozen state.
In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
warnings."
>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the ultimate
>> warming.
>>
>
> Then can you explain
>
> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
favors our species.
Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
have been so favorable.
The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
This is an interesting article about ice ages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
We don't want that, either.
The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future generations.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com$159 !! ouchFrom your quoted source
"During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2 concentrations
showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals that CO2 does not
lead the temperature changes, but lags by many centuries. Even so, the full
extent of the warming can not be explained without the effects of CO2.
Though these cycles do not demonstrate that greenhouse gas initiated
warming, they do lend credence to the importance of CO2 and CH4 in setting
the planetary thermostat."
Lending credence is not evidence...it is a theory
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>
>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
>>> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
>>> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>
>>
>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 wa
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its frozen
> state.
>
> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
> warnings."
>
>
>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>> ultimate warming.
>>>
>>
>> Then can you explain
>>
>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>
> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
> favors our species.
>
> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
> have been so favorable.
>
> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>
>
>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>
> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>
> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>
> We don't want that, either.
>
> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>
> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future
> generations.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.comA lot comes down to "follow the money."
However, there is a strong case that there is money to be made in new
energy development. And a lot of patriotic benefits in transitioning to
more forward looking energy policies.
Plus, Don has been wrong in the past. So I'm optimistic. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Paul Artola wrote:
> While the "right thing" is certain still under debate, I think the
> reality is that if the President were to attempt a radical shift in
> our energy policy, he would find his political (i.e. financial)
> backers would desert him long before an assassin's bullets, bombs, or
> infectious poodles would ever have a chance to work.
>
> I am amused by all the debate on this subject in this newsgroup, but
> until large sections of our economy no longer rely on petrodollars,
> the changes people desire are not likely to come about by governmental
> proclimation. Thousands (millions?) of jobs ( = livelihoods = votes)
> are at stake.
>
> In an analogous, fashion, what if the President declared that ProTools
> was now banned? How many studios would go out of business as a result
> of that? Hmmm, come to think of it...
>
> - Paul Artola
> Real World, Maryland
>
> On 2 Apr 2007 15:14:13 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>> BTW, I think that if we had a president that was actually capable
>> of doing the right thing, he/she would be assassinated asap.
>>
>> The really fugged-up thing is you just don't know which side
>> would do it first?
>>
>> A middle eastern wacko?
>> An Oregon anarcho-enviro wacko?
>> (sorry, not you those guys down 5 a ways)
>> An energy industry hit man?
>> Tim McVeigh's cousin?
>>
>> This is what is so bad about the times we live in. It is not
>> that certain people want an apocolypse, it's that I am not
>> sure anyone can stop it...
>>
>> I would love to be wrong.
>>
>> DC
>>
>People here have repeatedly talked about 'saving the planet.' The planet at
various times has had sea levels up to 300 feet from where they are now,
with similarly dramatic changes in temperature/weather/ocean currents. So,
the planet will do just fine when we're long gone, but we might or might
not be making it qEvidence supports (or doesn't support) theories. That's how science
works. In this case, he is saying the effects of C02 explain the extent
of warming from those events. You can go to the link and read the rest
of the site for more clarification.
Then get back to me on why we should ignore the evidence. I don't think
we should.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Don Nafe wrote:
> From your quoted source
>
> "During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2 concentrations
> showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals that CO2 does not
> lead the temperature changes, but lags by many centuries. Even so, the full
> extent of the warming can not be explained without the effects of CO2.
> Though these cycles do not demonstrate that greenhouse gas initiated
> warming, they do lend credence to the importance of CO2 and CH4 in setting
> the planetary thermostat."
>
>
> Lending credence is not evidence...it is a theory
>
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>>
>>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
>>>> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
>>>> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>>
>>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any previous
>>> warming periods.
>> What evidence is that?
>>
>> Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
>> previous warming events?
>>
>> Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
>> the current warming event?
>>
>> From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
>>
>> "Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
>> trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
>>
>> Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
>> history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
>> CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
>> Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would follow
>> from unprecedented events.
>>
>> But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
>> relevant insights and dire warnings.
>>
>> During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
>> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
>> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
>> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
>> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
>> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the importance
>> of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
>>
>> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
>> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
>> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
>> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago, ocean
>> pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose over
>> 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
>> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible to
>> know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive releases of
>> methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller warming or
>> changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean, atmosphere,
>> and temperatures to return to their previous state. The result was a mass
>> extinction event that took millions of years to recover from.
>>
>> We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
>> massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
>> caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
>> dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of greenhouse
>> gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped its frozen
>> state.
>>
>> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
>> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
>> warnings."
>>
>>
>>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>>> ultimate warming.
>>>>
>>> Then can you explain
>>>
>>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
>> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
>> favors our species.
>>
>> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
>> have been so favorable.
>>
>> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>>
>>
>>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>>
>> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>>
>> We don't want that, either.
>>
>> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
>> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>>
>> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
>> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future
>> generations.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>Also from your source
There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago,
ocean pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose
over 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible
to know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive
releases of methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller
warming or changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean,
atmosphere, and temperatures to return to their previous state. The
result was a mass extinction event that took millions of years to
recover from.
Seems mother nature is a significant force behind climate change
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>
>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
>>> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
>>> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>
>>
>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any previous
>> warming periods.
>
> What evidence is that?
>
> Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
> previous warming events?
>
> Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
> the current warming event?
>
> From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
>
> "Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
> trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
>
> Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
> history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
> CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
> Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would follow
> from unprecedented events.
>
> But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
> relevant insights and dire warnings.
>
> During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the importance
> of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
>
> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago, ocean
> pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose over
> 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible to
> know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive releases of
> methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller warming or
> changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean, atmosphere,
> and temperatures to return to their previous state. The result was a mass
> extinction event that took millions of years to recover from.
>
> We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
> massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
> caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
> dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of greenhouse
> gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped its frozen
> state.
>
> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
> warnings."
>
>
>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>> ultimate warming.
>>>
>>
>> Then can you explain
>>
>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>
> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
> favors our species.
>
> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
> have been so favorable.
>
> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>
>
>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>
> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>
> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>
> We don't want that, either.
>
> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>
> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future
> generations.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.comPeople here have repeatedly talked about 'saving the planet.' The planet at
various times has had sea levels up to 300 feet from where they are now,
with similarly dramatic changes in temperature/weather/ocean currents. So,
the planet will do just fine when we're long gone, but we might or might
not be making it far less enjoyable a place to be a balding ape.
TCBThe current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future generations.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Well put Jamie
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>
>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
>>> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
>>> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>
>>
>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any previous
>> warming periods.
>
> What evidence is that?
>
> Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
> previous warming events?
>
> Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
> the current warming event?
>
> From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
>
> "Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
> trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
>
> Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
> history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
> CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
> Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would follow
> from unprecedented events.
>
> But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
> relevant insights and dire warnings.
>
> During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the importance
> of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
>
> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago, ocean
> pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose over
> 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible to
> know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive releases of
> methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller warming or
> changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean, atmosphere,
> and temperatures to return to their previous state. The result was a mass
> extinction event that took millions of years to recover from.
>
> We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
> massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
> caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
> dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of greenhouse
> gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped its frozen
> state.
>
> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
> warnings."
>
>
>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>> ultimate warming.
>>>
>>
>> Then can you explain
>>
>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>
> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
> favors our species.
>
> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
> have been so favorable.
>
> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>
>
>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>
> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>
> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>
> We don't want that, either.
>
> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>
> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future
> generations.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.comDid anyone take a listen to Dimitrios Call My Name MP3?
Great song with a wide dense mix. Really like the singer (I'd move her up
a bit in the mix but that's just my opinion) - nice job Dimitrios!!!
Thanks for sending the signal paths etc. and a bit of the history also
- Dimitrios you should post the song and info if you do not mind...Don, science is full of disagreement and that's the way science works.
Theories are created and tested. Data accumulates and is evaluated. Many
divergent voices are heard in the process and ideas are tested.
Conclusions are reached. Some theories are supported by the evidence,
others are not.
Fossil fuels PR flacks have exploited this innate process of
disagreement and testing to pretend there is reason to fail to act.
Because creating the illusion that it's too soon to act achieves their
client's aim of encouraging hesitation. Why? Probably because they
perceive action on this issue as a threat to a business model that
encourages greenhouse gas production. (Some of the biggest "smear
campaigns" probably originated with those folks.)
And so we hear a lot of well financed misinformation and amplification
of any shred of disagreement. And all of that gets repeated ad nauseam
in an attempt to drown out the concensus of mainstream climate science.
There is room for disagreement in science. Peer-reviewed studies talk,
BS walks. If someone has a good theory backed by strong data with
repeatable experimental results, the scientific mainstream will come to
them. If they don't, fuggetaboutit.
At this point, given the scientific consensus and the potential risks,
global warming denial is foot dragging, foolish and yesterday's news.
The world is moving on to face the problem and deal with it.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> If the environmental and scientific communities are right and the naysayers
>> are wrong, the naysayers are fucking up my one-and-only World and I feel
>> I should have the right to fight for it.
>
> And some of the scientific community disagrees.
> They should be heard, not silenced, nor smeared.
>
> If climate change (which even developing an actual "global
> temperature" is quite in dispute about) really correlates
> closely to sun activity, and the basis for calling carbon the
> culprit is in dispute, then the brave and courageous ones are
> on the other side aren't they? Especially with the vicousness
> of the campaign against them, they look virtuous, rather than
> scummy.
>
> You are sure of being right. I am unconvinced either you or
> "the naysayers" are right at this point.
>
> There are agendas (other than "saving the planet") potentially
> corrupting both viewpoints.
>
> One thing we know is that the scientists are not going to
> is shutup,even when smeared and threatened with death,
> as Ball has been.
>
> But then, he is just an "industry spokesman", right?
>
> There is no evidence of that. It looks like a smear campaign.
>
> I am willing to be wrong. I am still very worried about all
> this, but millions of us are still looking, without our minds
> made up. Don't think we are stupid, nor being stupid, nor
> greedy, nor grabbing to amass everything we can.
>
> DC
>
>
>
>That's right Don, there are many climate drivers. Over earth's history,
evidence shows complex interactions and wide changes to climate.
As you can see from that link, scientists who now recognize human-caused
greenhouse gas production as a significant driver of the current warming
event, also fully recognize other climate drivers involved in this and
previous events.
For scientists conclusions are based on evidence, and the evidence
points to human causes for the current global warming event.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Don Nafe wrote:
> Also from your source
>
> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago,
> ocean pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose
> over 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible
> to know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive
> releases of methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller
> warming or changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean,
> atmosphere, and temperatures to return to their previous state. The
> result was a mass extinction event that took millions of years to
> recover from.
>
> Seems mother nature is a significant force behind climate change
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>>
>>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
>>>> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
>>>> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>>
>>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any previous
>>> warming periods.
>> What evidence is that?
>>
>> Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
>> previous warming events?
>>
>> Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
>> the current warming event?
>>
>> From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
>>
>> "Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
>> trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
>>
>> Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
>> history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
>> CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
>> Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would follow
>> from unprecedented events.
>>
>> But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
>> relevant insights and dire warnings.
>>
>> During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
>> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
>> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
>> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
>> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
>> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the importance
>> of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
>>
>> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
>> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
>> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
>> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago, ocean
>> pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose over
>> 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
>> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible to
>> know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive releases of
>> methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller warming or
>> changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean, atmosphere,
>> and temperatures to return to their previous state. The result was a mass
>> extinction event that took millions of years to recover from.
>>
>> We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
>> massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
>> caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
>> dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of greenhouse
>> gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped its frozen
>> state.
>>
>> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
>> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
>> warnings."
>>
>>
>>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>>> ultimate warming.
>>>>
>>> Then can you explain
>>>
>>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
>> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
>> favors our species.
>>
>> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
>> have been so favorable.
>>
>> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>>
>>
>>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>>
>> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>>
>> We don't want that, either.
>>
>> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
>> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>>
>> Since we control what we produce, we have the oppo
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chuck duffy
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s in case backplate.
>
> Deej
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:460c242c$1@linux...
>
> Hey.. What happend to gearslutz.com It's been down for 2-3 days..???
Mixerman's new Forum here:
http://womb.mixerman.net/index.php
Mixerman and his amigos opened this alternate site above.
It may suffice or even be better than what GS had become...
Regards,
El MiguelWhen I looked at Ardour in the past there was no VST support. It seems like
it's coming along nicely now. With companies like SSL behind them, I think
they will give the commercial software guys a run for the money. What do
you think?
Doug, I believe you posted something about bad experiences developing for
Ardour, what are your thoughts about Ardour?
James
"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> If This guy Jason keeps developing Reaper, and keeps the price the same,
>> all the other companies are going to have problems competing. Who is
>> going
>> to want to pay a thousand dollars when you can buy Reaper for $39.00?
>
>And I think he's making Ardour look pretty bad too... ;-)
>
>Doug ("Why use Ardour when for only $39...")
>
>http://www.parisfaqs.com
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113ede@linux...
>
> Evidence supports (or doesn't support) theories. That's how science works.
> In this case, he is saying the effects of C02 explain the extent of
> warming from those events. You can go to the link and read the rest of the
> site for more clarification.
>
> Then get back to me on why we should ignore the evidence. I don't think we
> should.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
I have never said ignore the evidence...but what I am concerned about is
that you seem to feel that every piece of evidence that contradicts CO2 as
the driving force behind Global Warming is nothing more than Oil Industry
propoganda.
Even within the very paper you quote it states that CO2 does not cause
Global Warming...it is a factor...but not the single driving force behind
Global Warming.
On a differnet note I was listening to a local talk show and the host quoted
some figures regarding CO2 reduction...one being that we could close down
all the Oil refineries in Alberta and all the manufacturing in Ontario and
we would only reduce our National CO2 output by less than 50% of the
required reductions mandated by the Kyoto accord. As to how accurate he was,
I can't say for sure but he is quoting from leading economists, scientists
etc.
So in essence we shut down our country's economy and we're still not even
1/2 way to our 1990 CO2 levels...
Somthing is wrong with this picture
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> From your quoted source
>>
>> "During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
>> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
>> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
>> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
>> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
>> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the importance
>> of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat."
>>
>>
>> Lending credence is not evidence...it is a theory
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:461061e0@linux...
>>>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back
>>>>> then) during that particular series of events (different circumstances
>>>>> than now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>>>
>>>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any
>>>> previous warming periods.
>>> What evidence is that?
>>>
>>> Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
>>> previous warming events?
>>>
>>> Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
>>> the current warming event?
>>>
>>> From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
>>>
>>> "Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
>>> trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
>>>
>>> Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
>>> history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
>>> CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
>>> Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would
>>> follow from unprecedented events.
>>>
>>> But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
>>> relevant insights and dire warnings.
>>>
>>> During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
>>> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
>>> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
>>> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
>>> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
>>> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the
>>> importance of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
>>>
>>> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
>>> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
>>> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
>>> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago,
>>> ocean pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose
>>> over 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
>>> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible
>>> to know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive
>>> releases of methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller
>>> warming or changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean,
>>> atmosphere, and temperatures to return to their previous state. The
>>> result was a mass extinction event that took millions of years to
>>> recover from.
>>>
>>> We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
>>> massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
>>> caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
>>> dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of
>>> greenhouse gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped
>>> its frozen state.
>>>
>>> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
>>> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
>>> warnings."
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>>>> ultimate warming.
>>>>>
>>>> Then can you explain
>>>>
>>>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>>> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
>>> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
>>> favors our species.
>>>
>>> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
>>> have been so favorable.
>>>
>>> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>>>
>>>
>>>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>>> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>>>
>>> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>>>
>>> We don't want that, either.
>>>
>>> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
>>> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>>>
>>> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
>>> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future
>>> generations.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>Hehe thanks...
No PCIe here at all...
Just simple PCI like your "vintage" Paris-magma setups.
I once had this but could not make Paris cards sit inside Magma and have
an undistorted sound.
I now may guess that there could be a PIO/UDMA conflict that I discovered
recently !!
I was working with pio mode !
Sometimes pc sees the hardrives as pio so it have to be reconfigured...
So magma would be my next new try again...
I want to have at least 6 eds cards...
Regards,
Dimitrios
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Also, if you intend to upgrade a PCI chassis and use it with the
>PEHIFX1 PCIe host card, make sure it is not a model that uses the DEC
>bridge chipset... you will have to replace the backplane and cable as
>well... for $1100.00!!!
>
>David.
>
>DJ wrote:
>> Dimitrios,
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet>@.gr> wrote in message
>> news:4610ceda$1@linux...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Although I had a magma and sold it wanna get one back again...
>>>Now is there any cable for magma sold cheap from a third party source
?
>>
>>
>> I once had a contact for the 80 pin flat ribbon cables. I cannot find
it
>> now. The newer cables appear to be some kind of SCSI protocall.
>>
>>
>>>Secondly if I buy barebone pci board and the interface cards will this
>>>(13slot)
>>>board fit on ANY normal pc case ATX ?
>>
>>
>> Not without some major surgery to the back of the case. The 13 slots on
the
>> backplane will take up the area where the I/O connectors are located on
a
>> normal mobo and the spacing between the slots may not line up exactly
with
>> the precut slots in case backplate.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>Don Nafe wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113ede@linux...
>> Evidence supports (or doesn't support) theories. That's how science works.
>> In this case, he is saying the effects of C02 explain the extent of
>> warming from those events. You can go to the link and read the rest of the
>> site for more clarification.
>>
>> Then get back to me on why we should ignore the evidence. I don't think we
>> should.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
> I have never said ignore the evidence...but what I am concerned about is
> that you seem to feel that every piece of evidence that contradicts CO2 as
> the driving force behind Global Warming is nothing more than Oil Industry
> propoganda.
Science is based on theories that are tested. Disagreements are common.
A consensus comes from what the data supports. Some theories are
supported others are not.
Anything else is probably distortion from special interests. The sheer
volume of distortion on this issue has been impressive.
From implications that climate scientists are so stupid they've
overlooked other climate drivers (they haven't), to claims that any
possible objection of the mainstream consensus is enough to cast into
complete doubt years of research and mountains of data (nope).
> Even within the very paper you quote it states that CO2 does not cause
> Global Warming...it is a factor...but not the single driving force behind
> Global Warming.
Don't confuse one event with another. In the past event discussed, the
driver was not initially C02, but C02 was released by the beginnings of
the event and it then contributed the major warming to that event.
In the current event, we are releasing C02 (that was previously stored a
long time ago in the earth), and our action is contributing to the
current global warming event.
> On a differnet note I was listening to a local talk show and the host quoted
> some figures regarding CO2 reduction...one being that we could close down
> all the Oil refineries in Alberta and all the manufacturing in Ontario and
> we would only reduce our National CO2 output by less than 50% of the
> required reductions mandated by the Kyoto accord. As to how accurate he was,
> I can't say for sure but he is quoting from leading economists, scientists
> etc.
Yet another distortion that is making the rounds. The "it's too late
anyway so why bother" distortion.
The truth is no single solution will solve the problem. It's going to
take a combination of solutions. Any solution by itself will look like a
disaster.
From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/1/24/18548/9954
"Objection: The kind of drastic actions required to mitigate global
warming risk the destruction of the global economy and the deaths of
potentially billions of people.
Answer: Is this supposed to mean the theory of anthropogenic global
warming must be wrong? You can not come to a rational decision about the
reality of a danger by considering how hard it might be to avoid. First
things first: understand that the problem is real and present.
Once you acknowledge the necessity of addressing the problem, taking
action suddenly become less daunting. There is no point in discussing
the best solutions or the cost of those solutions with someone who does
not yet acknowledge the problem.
But even if mitigating global warming would be harmful, given that
famine, droughts, disease, loss of major coastal cities, and a
tremendous mass extinction event are on the table as possible
consequences of doing nothing, it may well be we are faced with a choice
between the lesser of two evils. I challenge anyone to conclusively
demonstrate that such catastrophes as listed above await us if we try to
reduce fossil fuel use.
Now, in terms of conservation and a global switch over to alternative
fuels, the people who oppose doing this for climate change mitigation
are forgetting something rather important. Fossil fuels are a
non-renewable resource, and as such we have to make this global economic
transformation regardless, whether now or a bit later. Many bright minds
inside the industry think we are already at peak oil. So even if it
turned out that climate mitigation was unnecessary, we would still be in
a better place as a global society by making the coming switch sooner
rather than later.
Seems like a win-win situation to me."
OK, onto the multiple solution topic: I posted this list of possible
solutions before. It's worth checking out just for the idea that we can
evaluate and choose the optimal combination of solutions:
"Humanity already possesses the fundamental scientific, technical, and
industrial know-how to solve the carbon and climate problem for the next
half-century.
A portfolio of technologies now exists to meet the world’s energy needs
over the next 50 years and limit atmospheric CO 2 to a trajectory that
avoids a doubling of the preindustrial concentration. Every element in
this portfolio has passed beyond the laboratory bench and demonstration
project; many are already implemented somewhere at full industrial scale.
Although no element is a credible candidate for doing the entire job (or
even half the job) by itself, the portfolio as a whole is large enough
that not every element has to be used."
Here's their list - choose 7 to expand into solution "wedges":
1. Efficient vehicles
2. Reduced use of vehicles
3. Efficient buildings
4. Efficient baseload coal plants
5. Gas baseload power for coal
6. Capture CO2 at baseload power plant
7. Capture CO2 at H2 plant
8. Capture CO2 at coal-to-synfuels plant
9. Nuclear power for coal power
10. Wind power for coal power
11. PV power for coal power
12. Wind H2 in fuel-cell car for gasoline in hybrid car
13. Biomass fuel for fossil fuel
14. Reduced deforestation, plus reforestation
15. Conservation tillage
Much more info in the article:
http://carbonsequestration.us/Papers-presentations/htm/Pacal a-Socolow-ScienceMag-Aug2004.pdf
> So in essence we shut down our country's economy and we're still not even
> 1/2 way to our 1990 CO2 levels...
>
> Somthing is wrong with this picture
Yes indeed. It is wildly incorrect.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> From your quoted source
>>>
>>> "During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
>>> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
>>> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
>>> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
>>> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
>>> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the importance
>>> of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat."
>>>
>>>
>>> Lending credence is not evidence...it is a theory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
>>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:461061e0@linux...
>>>>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back
>>>>>> then) during that particular series of events (different circumstances
>>>>>> than now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>>>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any
>>>>> previous warming periods.
>>>> What evidence is that?
>>>>
>>>> Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
>>>> previous warming events?
>>>>
>>>> Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
>>>> the current warming event?
>>>>
>>>> From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
>>>>
>>>> "Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
>>>> trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
>>>>
>>>> Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
>>>> history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
>>>> CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
>>>> Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would
>>>> follow from unprecedented events.
>>>>
>>>> But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
>>>> relevant insights and dire warnings.
>>>>
>>>> During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
>>>> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
>>>> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
>>>> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
>>>> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
>>>> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the
>>>> importance of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
>>>>
>>>> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
>>>> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
>>>> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
>>>> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago,
>>>> ocean pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose
>>>> over 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
>>>> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible
>>>> to know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive
>>>> releases of methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller
>>>> warming or changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean,
>>>> atmosphere, and temperatures to return to their previous state. The
>>>> result was a mass extinction event that took millions of years to
>>>> recover from.
>>>>
>>>> We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
>>>> massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
>>>> caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
>>>> dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of
>>>> greenhouse gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped
>>>> its frozen state.
>>>>
>>>> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
>>>> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
>>>> warnings."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>>>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>>>>> ultimate warming.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Then can you explain
>>>>>
>>>>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>>>> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
>>>> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
>>>> favors our species.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
>>>> have been so favorable.
>>>>
>>>> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>>>> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>>>>
>>>> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>>>>
>>>> We don't want that, either.
>>>>
>>>> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
>>>> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>>>>
>>>> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
>>>> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future
>>>> generations.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>Don Nafe wrote:
> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>
> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future generations.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Well put Jamie
Thanks Don.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46113adc@linux...
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:461061e0@linux...
>>>> Thanks for checking out the article, Bill.
>>>>
>>>> The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
>>>> during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
>>>> now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
>>>
>>> There is evidence to the contrary that CO2 was the cause of any previous
>>> warming periods.
>> What evidence is that?
>>
>> Should we ignore all the major evidence that C02 was a contributor to
>> previous warming events?
>>
>> Should we ignore the compelling evidence that C02 is a primary cause of
>> the current warming event?
>>
>> From: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/26/224933/67
>>
>> "Objection: In the geological record, it is clear that CO2 does not
>> trigger climate changes. Why should it be any different now?
>>
>> Answer: Given the fact that human industrialization is unique in the
>> history of planet earth, do we really need historical precedent for
>> CO2-triggered climate change before we accept what we observe today?
>> Surely it is not far-fetched that unprecedented consequences would follow
>> from unprecedented events.
>>
>> But putting this crucial point aside, history does indeed provide some
>> relevant insights and dire warnings.
>>
>> During the glacial/interglacial cycles, temperatures and CO2
>> concentrations showed remarkable correlation. Closer examination reveals
>> that CO2 does not lead the temperature changes, but lags by many
>> centuries. Even so, the full extent of the warming can not be explained
>> without the effects of CO2. Though these cycles do not demonstrate that
>> greenhouse gas initiated warming, they do lend credence to the importance
>> of CO2 and CH4 in setting the planetary thermostat.
>>
>> There are also events in geological history when sharp rises in
>> temperature were initiated and driven by large spikes in greenhouse
>> gases -- not unlike the fossil-fuel-emissions spike today. The Paleocene
>> Eocene Thermal Maximum is such a case. Roughly 55 million years ago, ocean
>> pH levels dropped drastically and global temperatures rapidly rose over
>> 5oC. The resolution of available proxy records indicates that this
>> occurred in a period of time no longer than 5K years; it's not possible to
>> know if it happened even faster. The likely cause was massive releases of
>> methane from the ocean floors, perhaps due to some smaller warming or
>> changes in sea level. It took over 100K years for the ocean, atmosphere,
>> and temperatures to return to their previous state. The result was a mass
>> extinction event that took millions of years to recover from.
>>
>> We can also look at the formation of the Deccan Traps. In this case, a
>> massive and sustained volcanic action altered atmospheric chemistry and
>> caused a drastic climate change, one that lead to the extinction of the
>> dinosaurs. And Snowball Earth theories involve the build-up of greenhouse
>> gases as the mechanism by which the earth eventually escaped its frozen
>> state.
>>
>> In short, it is simply untrue that history lacks precedent for
>> greenhouse-gas-driven warming. The precedents are there, as are the dire
>> warnings."
>>
>>
>>>> Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
>>>> lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
>>>> ultimate warming.
>>>>
>>> Then can you explain
>>>
>>> a) why the earth didn't continue to heat itself into oblivion
>> What do you mean by oblivion? The earth has been very hot in the past.
>> Luckily for us, the earth has lately come to a balance that currently
>> favors our species.
>>
>> Clearly the balance at various times in earth's history would not always
>> have been so favorable.
>>
>> The balance now is pretty good for humans, so let's not screw it up.
>>
>>
>>> b) what caused the eventual cooling periods
>> Which ones? There are many drivers of climate.
>>
>> This is an interesting article about ice ages:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
>>
>> We don't want that, either.
>>
>> The current problem we face is warming, and the data suggests human
>> produced greenhouse gases are contributing to that problem.
>>
>> Since we control what we produce, we have the opportunity and
>> responsibility to do something about it, for the sake of future
>> generations.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>We have 5 x EDS in a Magma PC113R chassis and have never had any IRQ
or distortion problems.
David.
Dimitrios wrote:
> Hehe thanks...
> No PCIe here at all...
> Just simple PCI like your "vintage" Paris-magma setups.
> I once had this but could not make Paris cards sit inside Magma and have
> an undistorted sound.
> I now may guess that there could be a PIO/UDMA conflict that I discovered
> recently !!
> I was working with pio mode !
> Sometimes pc sees the hardrives as pio so it have to be reconfigured...
> So magma would be my next new try again...
> I want to have at least 6 eds cards...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Also, if you intend to upgrade a PCI chassis and use it with the
>>PEHIFX1 PCIe host card, make sure it is not a model that uses the DEC
>>bridge chipset... you will have to replace the backplane and cable as
>>well... for $1100.00!!!
>>
>>David.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>Dimitrios,
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet>@.gr> wrote in message
>>>news:4610ceda$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>Although I had a magma and sold it wanna get one back again...
>>>>Now is there any cable for magma sold cheap from a third party source
>
> ?
>
>>>
>>>I once had a contact for the 80 pin flat ribbon cables. I cannot find
>
> it
>
>>>now. The newer cables appear to be some kind of SCSI protocall.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Secondly if I buy barebone pci board and the interface cards will this
>
>
>>>>(13slot)
>>>>board fit on ANY normal pc case ATX ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Not without some major surgery to the back of the case. The 13 slots on
>
> the
>
>>>backplane will take up the area where the I/O connectors are located on
>
> a
>
>>>normal mobo and the spacing between the slots may not line up exactly
>
> with
>
>>>the precut slots in case backplate.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>
>I wrote:
>> On a differnet note I was listening to a local talk show and the host
>> quoted some figures regarding CO2 reduction...one being that we could
>> close down all the Oil refineries in Alberta and all the manufacturing in
>> Ontario and we would only reduce our National CO2 output by less than 50%
>> of the required reductions mandated by the Kyoto accord. As to how
>> accurate he was, I can't say for sure but he is quoting from leading
>> economists, scientists etc.
you wrote:
> Yet another distortion that is making the rounds. The "it's too late
> anyway so why bother" distortion.
>
And who says that what I wrote above is a distortion?
On one hand you expect me to accept that your position is undeniable and
overwhelmingly supported by the scientific evidence yet when I suggest that
there is possibility that living up to Kyoto could bankrupt the economy you
immediately call it a distortion.
And therein lies the dilema I have...the teapot calling the kettle black
syndromeDon Nafe wrote:
> I wrote:
>
>>> On a differnet note I was listening to a local talk show and the host
>>> quoted some figures regarding CO2 reduction...one being that we could
>>> close down all the Oil refineries in Alberta and all the manufacturing in
>>> Ontario and we would only reduce our National CO2 output by less than 50%
>>> of the required reductions mandated by the Kyoto accord. As to how
>>> accurate he was, I can't say for sure but he is quoting from leading
>>> economists, scientists etc.
>
> you wrote:
>
>> Yet another distortion that is making the rounds. The "it's too late
>> anyway so why bother" distortion.
>>
>
> And who says that what I wrote above is a distortion?
>
> On one hand you expect me to accept that your position is undeniable and
> overwhelmingly supported by the scientific evidence yet when I suggest that
> there is possibility that living up to Kyoto could bankrupt the economy you
>
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These are exaggerations meant to help us say, "hey wait, we can't just
go rushing off to fix the problem. Let's wait."
Bingo. Waiting is the goal of the fossil fuels lobby. That's all they
want. Put it off.
And if we wait until it really is too late, too bad.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.comHAHAHA! I'm going to practice this today.
Rod
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MR
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See if you can find a nice Intel Core Duo machine for around the same
money...
David.
Mike R. wrote:
> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all
> at least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
> even approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
> Thanks!
> MRFirst off - my apologies, I misunderstood your "its too late..." distortion
statement
Secondly - my reply still stands...tea pot calling the kettle black (he said
she said) - it is relevant
Thirdly - I'm glad we both agree this planet is on the fast track to hell
Fourthly - I'm glad we both agree there are workable solutions to these
problems
Fifthly - I am glad we are able to agree to disagree and able to carry on a
rational debate
and
Last but not least...I've enjoyed this discourse...I have learned a lot
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46116653$1@linux...
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> I wrote:
>>
>>>> On a differnet note I was listening to a local talk show and the host
>>>> quoted some figures regarding CO2 reduction...one being that we could
>>>> close down all the Oil refineries in Alberta and all the manufacturing
>>>> in Ontario and we would only reduce our National CO2 output by less
>>>> than 50% of the required reductions mandated by the Kyoto accord. As to
>>>> how accurate he was, I can't say for sure but he is quoting from
>>>> leading economists, scientists etc.
>>
>> you wrote:
>>
>>> Yet another distortion that is making the rounds. The "it's too late
>>> anyway so why bother" distortion.
>>>
>>
>> And who says that what I wrote above is a distortion?
>>
>> On one hand you expect me to accept that your position is undeniable and
>> overwhelmingly supported by the scientific evidence yet when I suggest
>> that there is possibility that living up to Kyoto could bankrupt the
>> economy you immediately call it a distortion.
>
> Whether Kyoto chooses the optimal set of solutions or not is a different
> subject. I haven't been proclaiming for or against Kyoto.
>
> The distortion I'm referring to here is the notion that "it's too late so
> why bother." Whether you hear it from a radio show or a shill web site set
> up by the fossil fuels industry.
>
> Anyone who is seriously arguing that position will have to show me data to
> support it. I haven't seen any reason to accept that defeatist attitude,
> other than protecting the status quo for one industries current business
> model.
>
> What I have seen is the well supported position that a combination of
> solutions, engaged in now, has a good chance of making a worthwhile
> difference for future generations.
>
>
>> And therein lies the dilema I have...the teapot calling the kettle black
>> syndrome
>
> Hah! That's it in a nutshell. That is the crux of the PR campaign.
>
> Misinformation and amplifying of pretty much any objection into "hold it"
> status is the goal. To portray the science as if there's a huge
> controversy. To imply that scientists don't know enough. That the majority
> of climate scientists are ignorant bullies and finks, and probably hate
> your momma, while the few scientists who don't agree with the consensus,
> along with all the lobbyist supported PR flacks and radio talk show hosts
> are surely gallant unsung heros, bravely fighting for YOU.
>
> These are exaggerations meant to help us say, "hey wait, we can't just go
> rushing off to fix the problem. Let's wait."
>
> Bingo. Waiting is the goal of the fossil fuels lobby. That's all they
> want. Put it off.
>
> And if we wait until it really is too late, too bad.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.comWell then if the fuckin planet is gonna act that way, let's just kick it
ass!!!
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46113f01@linux...
>
> People here have repeatedly talked about 'saving the planet.' The planet
> at
> various times has had sea levels up to 300 feet from where they are now,
> with similarly dramatic changes in temperature/weather/ocean currents. So,
> the planet will do just fine when we're long gone, but we might or might
> not be making it far less enjoyable a place to be a balding ape.
>
> TCBOh! and one more...probably the most omportant of them all
At least we are both doing something about it!
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:461188fc@linux...
> First off - my apologies, I misunderstood your "its too late..."
> distortion statement
>
> Secondly - my reply still stands...tea pot calling the kettle black (he
> said she said) - it is relevant
>
> Thirdly - I'm glad we both agree this planet is on the fast track to hell
>
> Fourthly - I'm glad we both agree there are workable solutions to these
> problems
>
> Fifthly - I am glad we are able to agree to disagree and able to carry on
> a rational debate
>
> and
>
> Last but not least...I've enjoyed this discourse...I have learned a lot
>
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46116653$1@linux...
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On a differnet note I was listening to a local talk show and the host
>>>>> quoted some figures regarding CO2 reduction...one being that we could
>>>>> close down all the Oil refineries in Alberta and all the manufacturing
>>>>> in Ontario and we would only reduce our National CO2 output by less
>>>>> than 50% of the required reductions mandated by the Kyoto accord. As
>>>>> to how accurate he was, I can't say for sure but he is quoting from
>>>>> leading economists, scientists etc.
>>>
>>> you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yet another distortion that is making the rounds. The "it's too late
>>>> anyway so why bother" distortion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And who says that what I wrote above is a distortion?
>>>
>>> On one hand you expect me to accept that your position is undeniable and
>>> overwhelmingly supported by the scientific evidence yet when I suggest
>>> that there is possibility that living up to Kyoto could bankrupt the
>>> economy you immediately call it a distortion.
>>
>> Whether Kyoto chooses the optimal set of solutions or not is a different
>> subject. I haven't been proclaiming for or against Kyoto.
>>
>> The distortion I'm referring to here is the notion that "it's too late so
>> why bother." Whether you hear it from a radio show or a shill web site
>> set up by the fossil fuels industry.
>>
>> Anyone who is seriously arguing that position will have to show me data
>> to support it. I haven't seen any reason to accept that defeatist
>> attitude, other than protecting the status quo for one industries current
>> business model.
>>
>> What I have seen is the well supported position that a combination of
>> solutions, engaged in now, has a good chance of making a worthwhile
>> difference for future generations.
>>
>>
>>> And therein lies the dilema I have...the teapot calling the kettle black
>>> syndrome
>>
>> Hah! That's it in a nutshell. That is the crux of the PR campaign.
>>
>> Misinformation and amplifying of pretty much any objection into "hold it"
>> status is the goal. To portray the science as if there's a huge
>> controversy. To imply that scientists don't know enough. That the
>> majority of climate scientists are ignorant bullies and finks, and
>> probably hate your momma, while the few scientists who don't agree with
>> the consensus, along with all the lobbyist supported PR flacks and radio
>> talk show hosts are surely gallant unsung heros, bravely fighting for
>> YOU.
>>
>> These are exaggerations meant to help us say, "hey wait, we can't just go
>> rushing off to fix the problem. Let's wait."
>>
>> Bingo. Waiting is the goal of the fossil fuels lobby. That's all they
>> want. Put it off.
>>
>> And if we wait until it really is too late, too bad.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>Hi Mike,
Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive then
this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries
on a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
If you already have a custom built system then you should really look at
going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000 price
range and be allot faster.
You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is using
on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
Chris
Mike R. wrote:
> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all
> at least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
> even approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
> Thanks!
> MR
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comDon Nafe wrote:
> Oh! and one more...probably the most omportant of them all
>
> At least we are both doing something about it!
Here's to doing something! A lot of people are taking it seriously and
working on solutions. Individuals, corporations, communities, states,
and most countries.
The worldwide discussion is now about solutions. That's a very good thing.
I have to disagree with any inference that most climate scientists are
ignorant finger-pointing pots or kettles with an ax to grind. They are,
by and large, hard working, insightful, intelligent people following the
data and testing rational theories, and making conclusions based on the
evidence.
Conclusions based on scientific method and evidence are not mere "he
said/she said" assertions. I think you'll find that most climate
scientists are very careful to not overstate their conclusions. If
someone makes a wild claim that the science is overstated, it's very
likely they are misquoting or misunderstanding the conclusions - in some
cases deliberately so in order to create a negative impression.
I do agree that well funded PR flacks starting with self-serving
conclusions and working backwards to justify them in any way they can,
even if it means distorting the science or exaggerating disagreements,
are indeed pots and kettles both. Beware the FUD campaign, it is well
funded and far reaching.
If you've ever sat in on a meeting with climate scientists (I have)
you'll know that they will question each other intently on data,
methodologies and conclusions. They will question each other and examine
each other's work relentlessly. When conclusions make it through that
sort of peer-reviewed gauntlet, we are wise to pay attention.
Thanks for the discussion, Don!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:461188fc@linux...
>> First off - my apologies, I misunderstood your "its too late..."
>> distortion statement
>>
>> Secondly - my reply still stands...tea pot calling the kettle black (he
>> said she said) - it is relevant
>>
>> Thirdly - I'm glad we both agree this planet is on the fast track to hell
>>
>> Fourthly - I'm glad we both agree there are workable solutions to these
>> problems
>>
>> Fifthly - I am glad we are able to agree to disagree and able to carry on
>> a rational debate
>>
>> and
>>
>> Last but not least...I've enjoyed this discourse...I have learned a lot
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46116653$1@linux...
>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>> I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On a differnet note I was listening to a local talk show and the host
>>>>>> quoted some figures regarding CO2 reduction...one being that we could
>>>>>> close down all the Oil refineries in Alberta and all the manufacturing
>>>>>> in Ontario and we would only reduce our National CO2 output by less
>>>>>> than 50% of the required reductions mandated by the Kyoto accord. As
>>>>>> to how accurate he was, I can't say for sure but he is quoting from
>>>>>> leading economists, scientists etc.
>>>> you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yet another distortion that is making the rounds. The "it's too late
>>>>> anyway so why bother" distortion.
>>>>>
>>>> And who says that what I wrote above is a distortion?
>>>>
>>>> On one hand you expect me to accept that your position is undeniable and
>>>> overwhelmingly supported by the scientific evidence yet when I suggest
>>>> that there is possibility that living up to Kyoto could bankrupt the
>>>> economy you immediately call it a distortion.
>>> Whether Kyoto chooses the optimal set of solutions or not is a different
>>> subject. I haven't been proclaiming for or against Kyoto.
>>>
>>> The distortion I'm referring to here is the notion that "it's too late so
>>> why bother." Whether you hear it from a radio show or a shill web site
>>> set up by the fossil fuels industry.
>>>
>>> Anyone who is seriously arguing that position will have to show me data
>>> to support it. I haven't seen any reason to accept that defeatist
>>> attitude, other than protecting the status quo for one industries current
>>> business model.
>>>
>>> What I have seen is the well supported position that a combination of
>>> solutions, engaged in now, has a good chance of making a worthwhile
>>> difference for future generations.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And therein lies the dilema I have...the teapot calling the kettle black
>>>> syndrome
>>> Hah! That's it in a nutshell. That is the crux of the PR campaign.
>>>
>>> Misinformation and amplifying of pretty much any objection into "hold it"
>>> status is the goal. To portray the science as if there's a huge
>>> controversy. To imply that scientists don't know enough. That the
>>> majority of climate scientists are ignorant bullies and finks, and
>>> probably hate your momma, while the few scientists who don't agree with
>>> the consensus, along with all the lobbyist supported PR flacks and radio
>>> talk show hosts are surely gallant unsung heros, bravely fighting for
>>> YOU.
>>>
>>> These are exaggerations meant to help us say, "hey wait, we can't just go
>>> rushing off to fix the problem. Let's wait."
>>>
>>> Bingo. Waiting is the goal of the fossil fuels lobby. That's all they
>>> want. Put it off.
>>>
>>> And if we wait until it really is too late, too bad.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
>http://www.desmogblog.com/slamming-the-climate-skeptic-scam
Here is a very compelling version of what several of you have
been presenting here. Well written, well-reasoned.
Now, read the comments.
What is important to me is that real scientists are raising real
issues about this, and the global warming folks are not
answering the issues, but are claiming consensus...
In other words, shutup.
It all begs the question of who is right, as does the "play it safe"
crowd.
Consensus is not always right. Look at some of the presidents
we have elected.
Politics is not science. Smear campaigns are not argument,
and claiming consensus is an inadequate response to actual
scientific arguments.
DCNice article, Don.
Scientific discussions are great. Heck, science is all about identifying
problems, coming up with rational theories and then testing those
theories, multiple times, to see what is true.
The reason there is a consensus on global warming is that questions have
been raised, discussions held, a lot of research done and conclusions
reached.
I wouldn't expect 100% agreement but the amount of agreement is quite high.
Research is ongoing, so anyone with a theory to test had best get on it.
Feeling like the mainstream is wrong? Bring out a new theory and test
it. If data supports it, we have a new mainstream.
But after years of doing just that, the evidence is already strong
enough to suggest three things. One, the planet is warming. Two, human
causes explain it where other causes don't. Three, the risks to our
species is high. And four, waiting for the last couple of scientists to
be satisfied increases the risks far higher.
Since we know that most of the possible solutions have other benefits,
it's no wonder that most governments have concluded we may as well get
started.
Smear campaigns are not necessary between scientists because there is a
better method. If a scientist has an alternate theory, it can be put to
the test. It will succeed or fail.
Industry PR distortion campaigns are a huge distraction, but people can
see through them eventually.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> http://www.desmogblog.com/slamming-the-climate-skeptic-scam
>
> Here is a very compelling version of what several of you have
> been presenting here. Well written, well-reasoned.
>
> Now, read the comments.
>
> What is important to me is that real scientists are raising real
> issues about this, and the global warming folks are not
> answering the issues, but are claiming consensus...
>
> In other words, shutup.
>
> It all begs the question of who is right, as does the "play it safe"
> crowd.
>
> Consensus is not always right. Look at some of the presidents
> we have elected.
>
> Politics is not science. Smear campaigns are not argument,
> and claiming consensus is an inadequate response to actual
> scientific arguments.
>
> DC
>HI James,
It seems to me like it has pretty much come to a stop with updates.They
still haven't even updated their installer package. It's was the only
software that I gave up trying to install on Ubuntu.
Everything else was based on the newer user friendly methods.
Chris
James McCloskey wrote:
> When I looked at Ardour in the past there was no VST support. It seems like
> it's coming along nicely now. With companies like SSL behind them, I think
> they will give the commercial software guys a run for the money. What do
> you think?
>
> Doug, I believe you posted something about bad experiences developing for
> Ardour, what are your thoughts about Ardour?
>
> James
>
> "Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If This guy Jason keeps developing Reaper, and keeps the price the same,
>>> all the other companies are going to have problems competing. Who is
>>>
>
>
>>> going
>>> to want to pay a thousand dollars when you can buy Reaper for $39.00?
>>>
>> And I think he's making Ardour look pretty bad too... ;-)
>>
>> Doug ("Why use Ardour when for only $39...")
>>
>> http://www.parisfaqs.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4550Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct. Around
$399.
Bill L
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:46118d6d@linux...
> Hi Mike,
> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>
> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>
> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive then
> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries on
> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>
> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look at
> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000 price
> range and be allot faster.
> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>
>
> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is using
> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>
>
> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>
>
> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>
> Chris
>
> Mike R. wrote:
>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all at
>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this even
>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>> MR
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.comCool idea. I bought a Steinberger for that. Fits just right in my Samsonite.
Bill L
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4611a54b$1@linux...
>
> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4550Thanks Chris - Forgot to ask... which video cards play nicest with it? Multi
head or other wise.
Cheers,
Jon
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Jon;
>
>The FX60 or higher or the Opteron 175 or higher.
>
>We used to use Samsung DDR400 CL2. You will have to use it in pairs for
>dual channel memory support.
>Don't bother with more than 2 gigs.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Jon Jiles wrote:
>> So Mr. Ludwig,
>>
>> What CPU/Ram combos would you suggest with this board for best stability
>> with Cubase 4?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> jj
>>
>> "Jon Jiles" <nomo@nomo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Chris - Thanks a bunch for the info!!!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>> make sure you load the newest BIOS before you getting to chipset/driver
>>>>
>>>> updates etc.
>>>>
>>>> leave the sata controller on ids mode the raid mode is not very reliable.
>>>> Make sure you use the AMD dual core optimizer driver and the ULI chipset
>>>>
>>>> update from Nvidias website not from ASUS website. Don't use the on
>>>> boards sound.
>>>>
>>>> Don't use 4 gigs of ram the board is not as stable with 4 gigs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jon Jiles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info. I'm kinda stuck in 939 land for a while yet though
>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>> my K8ns-ultra just died and, after a nightmare with an out of box A8V,
>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>> bought one of these.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also just bought a A DM-3200 and some other stuff (Ksp8, Cubase upgrade,
>>>>> etc)as well, so I'm kinda tapped out for the cash to do a major daw
upgrade
>>>>> (mobo, cpu, memory etc.)right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any tweaks/caveats I should be aware of for the A8R in the meantime?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>>> It's the last of the usable x2-939 motherboards. Not sure I would
bother
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with it now though. The board has been discontinued and is a dead
end
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for upgrades and such.
>>>>>> If you are looking to up grade from a pre 939 based AMD system then
>>>>>>
>> it
>>
>>>>>> will be a waste. At this point I would only recommend a Intel Core
2
>>>>>>
>>> Duo
>>>
>>>>>> 975 chipset based system.
>>>>>> Significantly faster better upgrade path and can be got for similar
>>>>>>
>> prices.
>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon Jiles wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone out there with any experience with the Asus A8R-MVP and Cubase
>>>>>>>
>>>>> 4 ....or
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A8R as a DAW in general?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any tips?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks a bunch,
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762HI Bill,
Power supply is under powered.
Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
no on board firewire
no quad core support
only 2 memory slots.
The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
Good Quality Mid Tower case
Intel E6600
Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
XFX dual dvi fanless video card
Thermaltake 550w power supply
Chris
Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct. Around
> $399.
>
> Bill L
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:46118d6d@linux...
>
>> Hi Mike,
>> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
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t; effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>
>> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
>> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>
>> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive then
>> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries on
>> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>
>> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look at
>> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000 price
>> range and be allot faster.
>> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
>> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>
>>
>> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
>> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
>> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is using
>> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>
>>
>> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
>> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>
>>
>> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
>> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Mike R. wrote:
>>
>>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with it,
>>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
>>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or what
>>> it
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would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that includes
>>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive. (I'd
>>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands and
>>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
>>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so probably
>>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all at
>>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this even
>>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>>> MR
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762freaky
James McCloskey wrote:
> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4550
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762Very cool.
I also got a Steinberger for airline gigs. Even though it's the model
with an actual body, with no headstock it's about the size of a tennis
racket in the gig bag. Easy to fit in the OH.
Cheers
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> Cool idea. I bought a Steinberger for that. Fits just right in my Samsonite.
>
> Bill L
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4611a54b$1@linux...
>> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4550
>
>Thanks James -
I haven't been able to do all that much on it yet other than noodle around
with the Cubase 4 demo song (which is real annoying after 3 or 4 listens).
Then I decided to to sell my RME HD9652 and buy the 2408 for the interim
because 8 channels of ADAT wasn't going to cut it for learning anything (the
DM3200 has 24 channels of TDIF and only 8 of ADAT without additional cards
)and the firewire card was seriously backordered. Then my Cubase motherboard
died and the board I bought to replace it refused to post consistently ...which
ate up a week ... then I had to get another mobo... and now I'm trying to
get 2408 and DM3200 to play nicely in their clocking sandbox and have discovered
that everyone seems to be using an external clock to get good results with
this set up. I don't want to spend any more money on an interim solution
when I should be seeing shipment of the new Tascam firewire card within the
next week or so. So for now I'm just sort of pissed and frustrated and wondering
why I deserted my trusty old Paris rig. What's funny is that after I get
this going I'm still probably going to use Paris as a stereo summing bus
or something. (in fact I'd welcome more suggestions on that front).
The manual's not quite as hideous as advertised, but it's not that great
either. Kind of cursory for a board so deep with features. One of the DM3200
usergroup guys made a pretty good tutorial, set-up DVD. Not as entertaining
as Aaron and BT's Paris DVD, but quite useful. Geared more for a HD recorder
rather than a DAW though, so I'm left to my own feeble devices and to whomever
of you more experienced peeps will answer my questions when it comes to using
it with Cubase 4.
I have to say though, that what I am seeing so far is that thing is going
to be very flexible once I've gained some real facility with the interface.
I'll be sure to give an update as soon as I get out this "equipment needed
to actually finish the new rig not here yet, equipment that is here not working
or dying, why the f*ck did I think I needed to do this again" limbo land.
I can say that CD's sound great played through it though! :>)
Cheers,
Jon
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Jon! Glad to hear you finally got a DM-3200. We are going to need
a
>full report when you get some time in on it: )
>
>Can you tell us anymore about what you think of it so far? The big question
>is, how are the mic pres, and of course the overall sound??? I hear the
>pres are good, and the mixes sound good, but I'd like to hear from you on
>this. Down the road, it would be cool if you could post some audio.
>
>There is a lot to learn with that one. You should go to the Tascam forums
>for help, I hear the manual is not so great.
>
>James
>
>"Jon Jiles" <nojij@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi peeps.. hope everyone is well...
>>
>>Well.. I took the leap. I was able to get a screaming deal from a little
>>studio in SF on a 5 month old, low hour DM3200 with a meter bridge and
I'm
>>now deep in the throes of trying to understand it all and learn Cubase
4.
>>
>>The new firewire card is still only marginally available and waiting on
>one
>>but I picked up a used MOTU 2408mk3 to use in the interim. Having some
clocking
>>issues right now so I'm sure you'll be hearing from me...
>>
>>Thanks again to everyone for all of the advice..
>>
>>Party on Garth,
>>Jon
>>
>I saw these at a NAMM show some years ago.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/WNAMM96/Other/stump.ht ml
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4550a feathered newt?
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:08:49 +0200, "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk>
wrote:
>...are you talking about some kind of which came first, as "the chicken or
>the egg"?...
>
>erlilo
>
>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:460fe430@linux...
>
>> A key question is: hsitorically, which came first, the warming or the CO2
>> increase? Who can umequivocally determine that?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>HI Jon,
Any of the Nvidia cards will work fine. Haven't tried Matrox on that board.
Chris
Jon Jiles wrote:
> Thanks Chris - Forgot to ask... which video cards play nicest with it? Multi
> head or other wise.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> HI Jon;
>>
>> The FX60 or higher or the Opteron 175 or higher.
>>
>> We used to use Samsung DDR400 CL2. You will have to use it in pairs for
>>
>
>
>> dual channel memory support.
>> Don't bother with more than 2 gigs.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Jon Jiles wrote:
>>
>>> So Mr. Ludwig,
>>>
>>> What CPU/Ram combos would you suggest with this board for best stability
>>> with Cubase 4?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> jj
>>>
>>> "Jon Jiles" <nomo@nomo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey Chris - Thanks a bunch for the info!!!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>> make sure you load the newest BIOS before you getting to chipset/driver
>>>>>
>>>>> updates etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> leave the sata controller on ids mode the raid mode is not very reliable.
>>>>> Make sure you use the AMD dual core optimizer driver and the ULI chipset
>>>>>
>>>>> update from Nvidias website not from ASUS website. Don't use the on
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>> boards sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't use 4 gigs of ram the board is not as stable with 4 gigs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon Jiles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the info. I'm kinda stuck in 939 land for a while yet though
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> my K8ns-ultra just died and, after a nightmare with an out of box A8V,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> bought one of these.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also just bought a A DM-3200 and some other stuff (Ksp8, Cubase upgrade,
>>>>>> etc)as well, so I'm kinda tapped out for the cash to do a major daw
>>>>>>
> upgrade
>
>>>>>> (mobo, cpu, memory etc.)right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any tweaks/caveats I should be aware of for the A8R in the meantime?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jon,
>>>>>>> It's the last of the usable x2-939 motherboards. Not sure I would
>>>>>>>
> bother
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with it now though. The board has been discontinued and is a dead
>>>>>>>
> end
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for upgrades and such.
>>>>>>> If you are looking to up grade from a pre 939 based AMD system then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> will be a waste. At this point I would only recommend a Intel Core
>>>>>>>
> 2
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Duo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> 975 chipset based system.
>>>>>>> Significantly faster better upgrade path and can be got for similar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> prices.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon Jiles wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone out there with any experience with the Asus A8R-MVP and Cubase
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4 ....or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A8R as a DAW in general?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any tips?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks a bunch,
>>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762HI Jamie,
And it's allot less money than that centerfold guitar.
Chris
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Very cool.
>
> I also got a Steinberger for airline gigs. Even though it's the model
> with an actual body, with no headstock it's about the size of a tennis
> racket in the gig bag. Easy to fit in the OH.
>
> Cheers
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>> Cool idea. I bought a Steinberger for that. Fits just right in my
>> Samsonite.
>>
>> Bill L
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4611a54b$1@linux...
>>> http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4550
>>
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762Hey all,
I'm thinking of doing something I never thought I would consider again. No,
not the one involving a lemur, Crisco, and Meg Ryan. I'm thinking of buying
another amp. A friend is selling a Savage Macht 6 that I played. I've been
a Brit distortion guy for 15 years, playing an AC-15 inspired, point to point
wired Top Hat, sometimes using a THD power soak. The Savage is a class A
six watt 6V6 amp that is headed squarely into Deluxe territory. Having played
it there are two things I like about it. First, at moderate breakup it sounds
a lot like a tweed Deluxe. Second, when pushed a bit beyond that it sounds
more like one of those lovely 18 watt Marshalls than pretty much anything
I've ever heard. So to me I'd be getting two pretty sweet sounds (plus a
nice clean sound I won't use much) in one club volume friendly package, used
but in pristine condition for under $1k.
Any strong opinions out there for or against Savage amps?
TCB"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:461145a1$1@linux...
> When I looked at Ardour in the past there was no VST support. It seems
> like
> it's coming along nicely now.
If it weren't for the Audacity guys, I don't think Ardour would have VST
support. I especially like how the Ardour guys are complaining about buggy
VST plugins crashing Ardour and claiming it isn't Ardour's fault that it
crashes... (Exception handling anyone?)
> With companies like SSL behind them, I think they will give the commercial
> software guys a run for the money. What do you think?
SSL isn't actually supporting him any more...
> Doug, I believe you posted something about bad experiences developing for
> Ardour, what are your thoughts about Ardour?
While there is indeed a beta version of 2.0 out, it seems to me that Paul is
spending more time looking for funding and trying to get people to help him
for free (Google Summer of Code for example) than he is spending on actual
coding.
BTW, if you're really into the free stuff, have you checked out Rosegarden?
Less hype, but more capabilities...
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.comHaven't heard one, but a lot of people like 'em. Price seems reasonable.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Hey all,
>
>I'm thinking of doing something I never thought I would consider again.
No,
>not the one involving a lemur, Crisco, and Meg Ryan. I'm thinking of buying
>another amp. A friend is selling a Savage Macht 6 that I played. I've been
>a Brit distortion guy for 15 years, playing an AC-15 inspired, point to
point
>wired Top Hat, sometimes using a THD power soak. The Savage is a class A
>six watt 6V6 amp that is headed squarely into Deluxe territory. Having played
>it there are two things I like about it. First, at moderate breakup it sounds
>a lot like a tweed Deluxe. Second, when pushed a bit beyond that it sounds
>more like one of those lovely 18 watt Marshalls than pretty much anything
>I've ever heard. So to me I'd be getting two pretty sweet sounds (plus a
>nice clean sound I won't use much) in one club volume friendly package,
used
>but in pristine condition for under $1k.
>
>Any strong opinions out there for or against Savage amps?
>
>TCBI've always wanted a guitar with imbedded crustaceans.
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4611e00e$1@linux...
>
> I saw these at a NAMM show some years ago.
>
> http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/WNAMM96/Other/stump.ht ml
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4550
>They are,
> by and large, hard working, insightful, intelligent people following the
> data and testing rational theories, and making conclusions based on the
> evidence.
>
I see less and less of this. Scientists, like everyone else, need a means to
support themselves. they have to constantly churn out *something* in order
to get paid by *somebody*.
I know some enviro activists around here who would starve to death if
everything they lobbied for suddenly came true. They suddenly wouldn't have
a pot to piss in and would have to actually get a job (gasp!!!) or would
have to find something else wrong with something in order to justify their
existence. Since getting a job would entail working for some evil
*capitalist* or becoming one themselves, they aren't likely to do this.
These types, IMHO, are easliy as culpable in our failure to address the
energy catastrophe that is approaching as are those in the energy sector.
DeejMy friends son got the LE version of Cubase bundled with a Yamaha keyboard
he bought. He says it only deals with midi. I have zero knowledge of Cubase,
but told him I am sure if he got the full version, he would be able to record
audio tracks with it. Was I right? What can you guys tell me? Can he do lite
pipe or digi I/O to record in Cubase? Costs?
SteveHe can record audio in Cubase LE. Costs???? (how much money does he have and
how much does he want to spend?.....evil grin)
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:46128fb7$1@linux...
>
> My friends son got the LE version of Cubase bundled with a Yamaha keyboard
> he bought. He says it only deals with midi. I have zero knowledge of
> Cubase,
> but told him I am sure if he got the full version, he would be able to
> record
> audio tracks with it. Was I right? What can you guys tell me? Can he do
> lite
> pipe or digi I/O to record in Cubase? Costs?
> SteveAll he wants to do is lay down a few live tracks with his Yamaha S-90 ES.
I would have thought that's what this bundle was bundled for!
Steve
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>He can record audio in Cubase LE. Costs???? (how much money does he have
and
>how much does he want to spend?.....evil grin)
>
>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:46128fb7$1@linux...
>>
>> My friends son got the LE version of Cubase bundled with a Yamaha keyboard
>> he bought. He says it only deals with midi. I have zero knowledge of
>> Cubase,
>> but told him I am sure if he got the full version, he would be able to
>> record
>> audio tracks with it. Was I right? What can you guys tell me? Can he do
>> lite
>> pipe or digi I/O to record in Cubase? Costs?
>> Steve
>
>Cubase LE can record audio just fine... up to 8 tracks at one time
(given proper hardware).
http://www.steinberg.net/932_1.html
David.
Steve Cox wrote:
> My friends son got the LE version of Cubase bundled with a Yamaha keyboard
> he bought. He says it only deals with midi. I have zero knowledge of Cubase,
> but told him I am sure if he got the full version, he would be able to record
> audio tracks with it. Was I right? What can you guys tell me? Can he do lite
> pipe or digi I/O to record in Cubase? Costs?
> Steve > An old hillbilly farmer had a wife who nagged him
unmercifully. From
> morning till night (and sometimes later), she was always
complaining
> about something. The only time he got any relief was
when he was out
> plowing with his old mule. He tried to plow a lot.
>
> One day, when he was out plowing, his wife brought him
lunch in the
> field. He drove the old mule into the shade, sat down on
a stump, and
> began to eat his lunch. Immediately, his wife began
harassing him
> again. Complain, nag, nag; it just went on and on.
>
>
> All of a sudden, the old mule lashed out with both hind
feet; caught her
> smack in the back of the head. Killed her dead on the
spot.
>
> At the funeral several days later, the minister noticed
something rather
> odd: When a woman mourner would approach the old farmer,
he would listen
> for a minute, then nod his head in agreement; but when a
man mourner
> approached him, he would listen for a minute, then shake
his head in
> disagreement. This was so consistent, the minister
decided to ask the
> old farmer about it.
>
> So after the funeral, the minister spoke to the old
farmer, and asked
> him why he nodded his head and agreed with the women, but
always shook
> his head and disagreed with all the men.
>
> The old farmer said: "Well, the women would come up and
say something
> about how nice my wife looked, or how pretty her dress
was, so I'd nod
> my head in agreement."
>
> "And what about the men?" the minister asked.
>
> "They wanted to know if the mule was for sale.DJ wrote:
> They are,
>> by and large, hard working, insightful, intelligent people following the
>> data and testing rational theories, and making conclusions based on the
>> evidence.
>>
>
> I see less and less of this. Scientists, like everyone else, need a means to
> support themselves. they have to constantly churn out *something* in order
> to get paid by *somebody*.
What do you mean you see less and less of this? Are you talking about
climate scientists? Where and whom?
What is it about making a living that automatically implies selling out?
I'm not following you on that one but I'd like to.
However, I think the blanket demonizing of scientists has got to stop.
It's unfair, inaccurate and obviously a projective, diversionary tactic
by special interests in this case. Better to recognize the problem, the
risks and get to work on solutions.
BTW, I have a lot of respect for people in the long chain polymer
economy. We just have to realize what our true costs are, recognize the
resource limitations of non-renewable economies, and be realistic about
the cost/benefit analysis going forward.
> I know some enviro activists around here who would starve to death if
> everything they lobbied for suddenly came true. They suddenly wouldn't have
> a pot to piss in and would have to actually get a job (gasp!!!) or would
> have to find something else wrong with something in order to justify their
> existence. Since getting a job would entail working for some evil
> *capitalist* or becoming one themselves, they aren't likely to do this.
> These types, IMHO, are easliy as culpable in our failure to address the
> energy catastrophe that is approaching as are those in the energy sector.
So now who are you talking about? What organizations are actively
standing in the way of their own success on their core issues?
I wouldn't expect this to be a defining problem. If a problem gets
solved, then great! Move on to the next one. There is no shortage of
problems that need attention.
I have met great people who strive to live up to laudable ideals in both
corporations and non-profits.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Deej
>
>Old Abe and Sophie have been married for 50 years, and one
day, Abe was caught having an affair.
Brokenhearted, Sophie ask Abe
How could you do this to me?
What does she do for you that I do not?
Abe cannot answer...
Tell me Abe, what does she do that I cannot??
Ok, Sophie, wellll she moans!
What moan? I can moan!
So, next time they are making love, Sophie asks:
Now I should moan?
No Sophie, not now...
a minute later
Now I should moan?
No Sophie, not now...
a minute later
Now I should moan?
No Sophie, not now...
Finally Abe says
Ok Sophie, moan now!
And of course, she goes:
OY VEY ! WHAT A DAY I HAVE HAD!!Where can I get a trial version of Cubase? I really gotta help a kid out with
his delema....
SteveYou said his keyboard came with Cubase LE...
David.
Steve Cox wrote:
> Where can I get a trial version of Cubase? I really gotta help a kid out with
> his delema....
> SteveYes I did. These people (unlike me) are EXTREAMLY legal minded people. Lending
software, regardless of being LE or not they really shy away from. Is there
a trial download of it somewhere for the MAC G4?
Steve
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>You said his keyboard came with Cubase LE...
>
>David.
>
>Steve Cox wrote:
>
>> Where can I get a trial version of Cubase? I really gotta help a kid out
with
>> his delema....
>> SteveA man was riding his Harley along a California beach when suddenly the sky
clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord said, "Because you
have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish."
The biker pulled over and said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride over
anytime I want."
The Lord said, "Your request is materialistic, think of the enormous
challenges for that kind of undertaking; the supports required to reach the
bottom of the Pacific and the concrete and steel it would take! It will
nearly exhaust several natural resources. I can do it, but it is hard for me
to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think
of something that could possibly help mankind."
The biker thought about it for a long time.
Finally, he said, "Lord, I wish that I and all men could understand our
wives; I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she
gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says
nothing's wrong, and how I can make a woman truly happy."
The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?
>Hi Steve,
No demo version. Yes stupid but true.
If they go to the Help and about window in Cubase LE and it is version
1.02 or higher then it will definitely do audio. It will depend on them
at that point to get a sound card with a ASIO driver so they have proper
audio support.
Chris
Steve Cox wrote:
> Yes I did. These people (unlike me) are EXTREAMLY legal minded people. Lending
> software, regardless of being LE or not they really shy away from. Is there
> a trial download of it somewhere for the MAC G4?
> Steve
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>> You said his keyboard came with Cubase LE...
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Steve Cox wrote:
>>
>>> Where can I get a trial version of Cubase? I really gotta help a kid out
> with
>>> his delema....
>>> Steve
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comhttp://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.htmlThey're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done a massive
PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated copies
of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple is
extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price competition
to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
Debian it is, then.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.htmlha
TCB wrote:
> They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done a massive
> PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated copies
> of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>
> The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple is
> extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price competition
> to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>
> Debian it is, then.
>
> TCB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O9AFO01&show_a rticle=1TCB
At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and sue when
somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their resellers,
or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get as
much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money (bribed)
a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are taught
in their schools, and used by their government and people.
Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to install,
easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
Mac OSX it is, then!
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done a massive
>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
copies
>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>
>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple is
>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price competition
>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>
>Debian it is, then.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9CDUG0.htmlJeez. Were it not for the all the chemicals in his wretched body, likely
he'd be dead already.
Snortin' your old man's ashes is just sick dude.
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4612d258$1@linux...
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O9AFO01&show_a rticle=1I had (kicking self) a fully restored vintage '53 tweed with knobs that went
to 12... one better than one better :)
Anyway, if it's anything even remotely like that little 6v6 beast, jump on
it. Absolutely the most touch sensitive amp I've ever played, very
'brown-sound'.
AA
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46125d3b$1@linux...
>
> Hey all,
>
> I'm thinking of doing something I never thought I would consider again.
> No,
> not the one involving a lemur, Crisco, and Meg Ryan. I'm thinking of
> buying
> another amp. A friend is selling a Savage Macht 6 that I played. I've been
> a Brit distortion guy for 15 years, playing an AC-15 inspired, point to
> point
> wired Top Hat, sometimes using a THD power soak. The Savage is a class A
> six watt 6V6 amp that is headed squarely into Deluxe territory. Having
> played
> it there are two things I like about it. First, at moderate breakup it
> sounds
> a lot like a tweed Deluxe. Second, when pushed a bit beyond that it sounds
> more like one of those lovely 18 watt Marshalls than pretty much anything
> I've ever heard. So to me I'd be getting two pretty sweet sounds (plus a
> nice clean sound I won't use much) in one club volume friendly package,
> used
> but in pristine condition for under $1k.
>
> Any strong opinions out there for or against Savage amps?
>
> TCBA Priest, a Pastor, and a Rabbi were having lunch one day, when they started
discussing their methods of deciding what part of the offering received would
be used for them to live off of.
The Priest said “ I draw a line on the floor, and throw the money in the
air. What lands on my side of the line I keep to live off of, and what ever
lands on the other side, goes to God.
The Pastor said “I draw a circle on the floor, and throw the money in the
air. What lands inside the circle, I keep, what lands outside the circle
goes to God.
The Rabbi said, I just throw the money into the air, and God can keep what
he wants.and I thought Rosie was nuts.........
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:4612dcd8@linux...
> Jeez. Were it not for the all the chemicals in his wretched body, likely
> he'd be dead already.
> Snortin' your old man's ashes is just sick dude.
> AA
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4612d258$1@linux...
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O9AFO01&show_a rticle=1
>
>A friend is asking:
"If I copyright a CD of 13 songs of mine, do I use form SR or PA? I've been
reading both an
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> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
> resellers,
> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>
> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get as
> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>
> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
> (bribed)
> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are taught
> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>
> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to
> install,
> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>
> Mac OSX it is, then!
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done a
>>massive
>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
> copies
>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>
>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple is
>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>>competition
>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>
>>Debian it is, then.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>
>Oh man . . . I just hurt myself laughing! What a loon.
Sarah
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4612d258$1@linux...
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O9AFO01&show_a rticle=1i read sleeping with fists this little tale...and now she's not
speaking to me...thanks pally.
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:31:52 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>A man was riding his Harley along a California beach when suddenly the sky
>clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord said, "Because you
>have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish."
>The biker pulled over and said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride over
>anytime I want."
>The Lord said, "Your request is materialistic, think of the enormous
>challenges for that kind of undertaking; the supports required to reach the
>bottom of the Pacific and the concrete and steel it would take! It will
>nearly exhaust several natural resources. I can do it, but it is hard for me
>to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think
>of something that could possibly help mankind."
>The biker thought about it for a long time.
>
>
>Finally, he said, "Lord, I wish that I and all men could understand our
>wives; I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she
>gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says
>nothing's wrong, and how I can make a woman truly happy."
>
>The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?
>
>>
>I feel for you Rick
heehehehe
Don
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8mt613tfo9kifbt04asqtuvqg9gfeu6pij@4ax.com...
>i read sleeping with fists this little tale...and now she's not
> speaking to me...thanks pally.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 13:31:52 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
> wrote:
>
>>A man was riding his Harley along a California beach when suddenly the sky
>>clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord said, "Because
>>you
>>have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish."
>>The biker pulled over and said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride
>>over
>>anytime I want."
>>The Lord said, "Your request is materialistic, think of the enormous
>>challenges for that kind of undertaking; the supports required to reach
>>the
>>bottom of the Pacific and the concrete and steel it would take! It will
>>nearly exhaust several natural resources. I can do it, but it is hard for
>>me
>>to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and
>>think
>>of something that could possibly help mankind."
>>The biker thought about it for a long time.
>>
>>
>>Finally, he said, "Lord, I wish that I and all men could understand our
>>wives; I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she
>>gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says
>>nothing's wrong, and how I can make a woman truly happy."
>>
>>The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?
>>
>>>
>>
>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17 of
those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow. THe
FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an ITB
solution that would have lots more power.
Peace,
MR
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4611d521$1@linux...
> HI Bill,
>
> Power supply is under powered.
> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
> no on board firewire
> no quad core support
> only 2 memory slots.
>
> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>
> Good Quality Mid Tower case
> Intel E6600
> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
> Thermaltake 550w power supply
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> > Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
Around
> > $399.
> >
> > Bill L
> >
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:46118d6d@linux...
> >
> >> Hi Mike,
> >> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
> >> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
> >>
> >> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70 @ 24
> >> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
> >>
> >> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
then
> >> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample libraries
on
> >> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
> >>
> >> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look
at
> >> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
price
> >> range and be allot faster.
> >> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand 975
> >> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
> >>
> >>
> >> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
> >> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip and
> >> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
using
> >> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
> >>
> >>
> >> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new power
> >> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
> >>
> >>
> >> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
> >> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Mike R. wrote:
> >>
> >>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with
it,
> >>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris. I've
> >>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> >>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
what
> >>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
includes
> >>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
(I'd
> >>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands
and
> >>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> >>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft synths,
> >>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
probably
> >>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on all
at
> >>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
even
> >>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
> >>> MR
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >>
> >> ADK Pro Audio
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >> www.adkproaudio.com
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762Friends of mine are setting up their production studio, and we just
installed a new pc for running Reason and stuff.
They're using an M-Audio usb keyboard controller.
Here's where the conufsion comes in. If it's connected via USB, the
pc sees it, Reason sees it. I can select it as a midi in source and
assign it through one of the busses to an instrument. However, when I
arm that instrument's track and hit "record", it doesn't record any
midi notes. Keyboard is still playing the synth, but the sequencer
isn't recording anything.
Now, if you use a straight midi cable through the Emu sound card
instead of usb, it still is seen by Reason, still controls an
instrument, but this time, when you arm the track, it sees midi data
and records notes.
Any ideas? This is a stumper to me - I've had very little practical
experience with midi.
Thanks.
pabhttp://www.apple.com/macpro/Or you can just use form SR, wait for somebody to steal one of
your songs & make it a big hit, then copyright that song on
form PA, and sue the person who stole your song, using your
returned form SR date & a copy of the CD as evidence that the
song is yours.
:D
"Mic Cross" <crzymnmchl@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Thanks Dedric!
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>Form SR copyrights the recording itself. To copyright the individual songs,
>>use PA. You can do both - that's what the language in the SR instructions
>>is referring to, not that it replaces PA.
>>
>>Technically a song is copyrighted when written, but for legal safekeeping,
>>filing the forms is the safest way to go.
>>
>>You can use form PA to copyright a collection of songs, listing the
>>collection title and each song title in the collection. Technically that
>>isn't the same as copyrighting each individual song, but I believe (though
>>can't guarantee), it may serve the same purpose. A lawyer would be best
>for
>>that determination.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 4/3/07 8:45 PM, in article 46131161$1@linux, "Mic Cross"
>><crzymnmchl@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A friend is asking:
>>>
>>> "If I copyright a CD of 13 songs of mine, do I use form SR or PA? I've
>been
>>> reading both and both sound right but I can't make sense of it."
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mic.
>>
>HI Gene,
Awesome!
Now we all get to wait for Intel to fix all the memory and buss
bottlenecks in next years chip set version. They are doing a AMD type
Hyper Transport buss/memory system. Then you should see the 8 core
really shine. When the new chip set design comes out will just need to
swap the motherboard and be good to go. Oh wait ....:)
Of course maybe by that time all these tiny little audio and video
software and hardware companies will have rewritten their applications
to be fully 64 bit too....not.
Chris
Gene Lennon wrote:
> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:46132cbb$1@linux...
>
> Courtesy of The Turtles...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JHN5HaUg28
My first band band went through an abbreviated version of that......3
managers in 4 years followed by a split. Luckily for us, we were so friggin
poor that no one figured they could get a penny so we walked away from it.
Somewhere in the fray, my Super Reverb, Bassman, Gretsch Tennesean, and two
old strats ended up going bye-bye.......but part of that was to pay the
dealer ( a singularly evil kinda' person.even during the *Summer Of Love*)
so that he wouldn't kill the girlfriend of the roadie who used to score the
little black biphetamine 20 capsules and other stuff that she used to buy
for manager #3 so he could turn around and give it to the band members so
they could stay awake long enough to practice, gig and finish their high
school homework in order to keep working so that they could pay said manager
his cut.. The Turtles didn't mention the dealer and the roadie's girlfriend,
but I'll bet they were both part of that gig.
Gotta' love those bands.
;o)We certainly have different perspectives. My Quad core MacPro has been problem
free and lighting fast both in OSX and under Bootcamp. Last month when I
was away, I got to play with a Pro that had the CPUs upgraded to the Quads
X 2 (essentially exactly the same machine as the new 8-Core) Digital Performer
(my primary app) used all 8 cores and ran like a gazelle. When switched to
Bootcamp, Nuendo (demo) also seemed to run exceptionally fast, although we
did not check for processor leveling.
I never met a perfect computer. I’m just happy to find a box that is fast
and reliable and hopefully capable of reducing the total number of computers
I run when working on extremely large projects. My Quad Pro is fast, but
when doing orchestral work, I still need at least one or two additional computers.
The 8-core and Logic 8 may finally allow me to do very large track count
projects and still have multi-instrument orchestral samples playing un-rendered
in real time. That is a specific goal I have been trying to achieve for several
years, as I typically like to add orchestral sweetening at the last stages
of a production / arrangement.
Gene
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Gene,
>Awesome!
>Now we all get to wait for Intel to fix all the memory and buss
>bottlenecks in next years chip set version. They are doing a AMD type
>Hyper Transport buss/memory system. Then you should see the 8 core
>really shine. When the new chip set design comes out will just need to
>swap the motherboard and be good to go. Oh wait ....:)
>Of course maybe by that time all these tiny little audio and video
>software and hardware companies will have rewritten their applications
>to be fully 64 bit too....not.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Gene Lennon wrote:
>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762Debian is usually easy to install, incredibly easy to maintain (with a GUI
called Synaptic if you don't want to type two lines in a terminal window)
with the best packaging system on planet earth, and runs pretty much every
kind of 'professional' software on earth, including desktop productivity
apps and every kind of web, routing, DNS, etc. and so forth server in the
world. In fact, other than pro audio and video software there's nothing Debian
can't do that any other platform can. That's ready for prime time in my book,
and you're not locked into a greedy hardware and/or software company. So
it's more than ready for prime time.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>TCB
>
>At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and sue
when
>somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their resellers,
>or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>
>This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get as
>much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>
>Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money (bribed)
>a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are taught
>in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>
>Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to install,
>easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>
>Mac OSX it is, then!
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done a
massive
>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
>copies
>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>
>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple is
>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price competition
>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>
>>Debian it is, then.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>So sad!
>
>Here's a fun read!
>
>http://negativland.com/albini.html
See, you HAVE to do things that way, though - since musicians
are always broke, the only way you can screw them out of money
is to manufacture it in that manner & then never let 'em see any
of it!
lolChris can correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the issues I've heard about
with dual quads was
with Nuendo not scaling to take full advantage of all cores - this was with
some intense benchmark testing,
not just normal use, and I haven't actually heard if there are any scaling
issues with DP, Logic, etc.
That maybe somewhat architecture related (or so Chris seems to be implying).
Quads are still fast, just perhaps not as fast
as they could be.
Gene - when Logic 8 is out (any word?), and you get a chance to test with a
dual quad, I would be interested in
hearing the results with running orchestral libraries. I'm adding another
PC at the moment for just that purpose,
and while running it all on one system is somewhat appealing, I am guessing
we may still have reason to keep and extra
one or two systems around to share the load - the libraries aren't getting
smaller. The ability to run everything at low
latency for me surpasses any inconvenience of multiple systems (mainly the
extra licenses), esp. since Nuendo can
run them as external instruments with multiple live inputs.
Also, what is your opinion of DP vs. Nuendo and Logic? Just curious.
Regards,
Dedric
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4613b682$1@linux...
>
> We certainly have different perspectives. My Quad core MacPro has been
> problem
> free and lighting fast both in OSX and under Bootcamp. Last month when I
> was away, I got to play with a Pro that had the CPUs upgraded to the Quads
> X 2 (essentially exactly the same machine as the new 8-Core) Digital
> Performer
> (my primary app) used all 8 cores and ran like a gazelle. When switched to
> Bootcamp, Nuendo (demo) also seemed to run exceptionally fast, although we
> did not check for processor leveling.
>
> I never met a perfect computer. I'm just happy to find a box that is fast
> and reliable and hopefully capable of reducing the total number of
> computers
> I run when working on extremely large projects. My Quad Pro is fast, but
> when doing orchestral work, I still need at least one or two additional
> computers.
> The 8-core and Logic 8 may finally allow me to do very large track count
> projects and still have multi-instrument orchestral samples playing
> un-rendered
> in real time. That is a specific goal I have been trying to achieve for
> several
> years, as I typically like to add orchestral sweetening at the last stages
> of a production / arrangement.
>
>
> Gene
>
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI Gene,
>>Awesome!
>>Now we all get to wait for Intel to fix all the memory and buss
>>bottlenecks in next years chip set version. They are doing a AMD type
>>Hyper Transport buss/memory system. Then you should see the 8 core
>>really shine. When the new chip set design comes out will just need to
>>swap the motherboard and be good to go. Oh wait ....:)
>>Of course maybe by that time all these tiny little audio and video
>>software and hardware companies will have rewritten their applications
>>to be fully 64 bit too....not.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Gene Lennon wrote:
>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17
of
>those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
THe
>FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an ITB
>solution that would have lots more power.
I'm running track counts well into the 30's & 40's (depending on
the song) without having to freeze too many tracks... a half-
dozen maybe, depending on the plugin's they're using, with an
off-the-shelf Gateway Pentium Dually & 2 gigs of RAM. And this
is at 88.2k/24-bit. Prior to the Gateway I was using another PC
that I had built, but at 2.2Gigs of Athlon 64 single-core it
really just wasn't cutting it after awhile (you know, it's the
old: "the more it's capable of, the more I'm gonna push it"
cycle).
So yeah, you can get some fairly big track counts if
you configure your rig properly.
Neilprobably not till june when 10.5 is slated for release. they have
also put the cross grades back up for sale, again due to the delayed
10.5 intro.
i'll defer to gene on the merits of your last question but logic does
use less cpu recourses that dp in my experience.
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:58:11 -0600, "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com>
wrote:
>Chris can correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the issues I've heard about
>with dual quads was
>with Nuendo not scaling to take full advantage of all cores - this was with
>some intense benchmark testing,
>not just normal use, and I haven't actually heard if there are any scaling
>issues with DP, Logic, etc.
>
>That maybe somewhat architecture related (or so Chris seems to be implying).
>Quads are still fast, just perhaps not as fast
>as they could be.
>
>Gene - when Logic 8 is out (any word?), and you get a chance to test with a
>dual quad, I would be interested in
>hearing the results with running orchestral libraries. I'm adding another
>PC at the moment for just that purpose,
>and while running it all on one system is somewhat appealing, I am guessing
>we may still have reason to keep and extra
>one or two systems around to share the load - the libraries aren't getting
>smaller. The ability to run everything at low
>latency for me surpasses any inconvenience of multiple systems (mainly the
>extra licenses), esp. since Nuendo can
>run them as external instruments with multiple live inputs.
>
>Also, what is your opinion of DP vs. Nuendo and Logic? Just curious.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:4613b682$1@linux...
>>
>> We certainly have different perspectives. My Quad core MacPro has been
>> problem
>> free and lighting fast both in OSX and under Bootcamp. Last month when I
>> was away, I got to play with a Pro that had the CPUs upgraded to the Quads
>> X 2 (essentially exactly the same machine as the new 8-Core) Digital
>> Performer
>> (my primary app) used all 8 cores and ran like a gazelle. When switched to
>> Bootcamp, Nuendo (demo) also seemed to run exceptionally fast, although we
>> did not check for processor leveling.
>>
>> I never met a perfect computer. I'm just happy to find a box that is fast
>> and reliable and hopefully capable of reducing the total number of
>> computers
>> I run when working on extremely large projects. My Quad Pro is fast, but
>> when doing orchestral work, I still need at least one or two additional
>> computers.
>> The 8-core and Logic 8 may finally allow me to do very large track count
>> projects and still have multi-instrument orchestral samples playing
>> un-rendered
>> in real time. That is a specific goal I have been trying to achieve for
>> several
>> years, as I typically like to add orchestral sweetening at the last stages
>> of a production / arrangement.
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>HI Gene,
>>>Awesome!
>>>Now we all get to wait for Intel to fix all the memory and buss
>>>bottlenecks in next years chip set version. They are doing a AMD type
>>>Hyper Transport buss/memory system. Then you should see the 8 core
>>>really shine. When the new chip set design comes out will just need to
>>>swap the motherboard and be good to go. Oh wait ....:)
>>>Of course maybe by that time all these tiny little audio and video
>>>software and hardware companies will have rewritten their applications
>>>to be fully 64 bit too....not.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Gene Lennon wrote:
>>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>Have a project coming up where the drummer may want to use
acoustic drums, but also send triggered signals to a MIDI track
for layering of samples later.
Has anyone here compared the DDrum triggers to the Roland ones
in actual use? The Roland ones have an output control, which I
suppose could help to prevent double-triggering, but then, the
brain I'd be using for this project has a sensitivity control as
well, so I don't know the output controls on the actual triggers
would make much (if any) of a difference in that case.
NeilWhen I contacted Hart Dynamics re: this subject - Peter their rep said
either the DDrum or the new Roland trigger are excellent units so the choice
is yours.
Don
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4613c278$1@linux...
>
> Have a project coming up where the drummer may want to use
> acoustic drums, but also send triggered signals to a MIDI track
> for layering of samples later.
>
> Has anyone here compared the DDrum triggers to the Roland ones
> in actual use? The Roland ones have an output control, which I
> suppose could help to prevent double-triggering, but then, the
> brain I'd be using for this project has a sensitivity control as
> well, so I don't know the output controls on the actual triggers
> would make much (if any) of a difference in that case.
>
> Neil"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.apple.com/macpro/
Gene
Of course they found away to knock it. What would you expect?
Here is the performance info:
check out Music and Audio.
http://www.apple.com/macpro/performance.html
http://www.apple.com/macpro/intel.html
These test were done in july 2006.
I'm sure Adobe CS 3, Logic, FCP, and any software running on Mac OSX will
be able to utilize the processors. I'm sure it's not going to be slow by
today standards. However, if your going to compare it to future computers,
well....When it can do commercial AV software, let me know.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Debian is usually easy to install, incredibly easy to maintain (with a GUI
>called Synaptic if you don't want to type two lines in a terminal window)
>with the best packaging system on planet earth, and runs pretty much every
>kind of 'professional' software on earth, including desktop productivity
>apps and every kind of web, routing, DNS, etc. and so forth server in the
>world. In fact, other than pro audio and video software there's nothing
Debian
>can't do that any other platform can. That's ready for prime time in my
book,
>and you're not locked into a greedy hardware and/or software company. So
>it's more than ready for prime time.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and sue
>when
>>somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their resellers,
>>or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>
>>This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get
as
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volume licenses.
>>>>
>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
> is
>>>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>
>>>>competition
>>>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>>>
>>>>Debian it is, then.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Hi Gene,
Gene Lennon wrote:
> We certainly have different perspectives.
Apples and Oranges? or Apples and Lemons HA
My Quad core MacPro has been problem
> free and lighting fast both in OSX and under Bootcamp. Last month when I
> was away, I got to play with a Pro that had the CPUs upgraded to the Quads
> X 2 (essentially exactly the same machine as the new 8-Core) Digital Performer
> (my primary app) used all 8 cores and ran like a gazelle. When switched to
> Bootcamp, Nuendo (demo) also seemed to run exceptionally fast, although we
> did not check for processor leveling.
>
The problems have nothing directly o do with Apple or Microsoft. It's
Intels shortcut for the the architecture used with the 5000x chip sets.
Although not a show stopper by any means it is not letting the CPU reach
their full potential in speed especially when a system is fully loaded
with hardware. The big issues on the PC OS side is that XP was never
coded to take good advantage of 8 cores whether it be 64bit versions or not.
Vista works better with the 8 cores but comes with its own set of issues
that I'm sure we are both aware of. :)
The CPUs themselves are fast as hell the bottleneck is happening with
the north bridge/south bridge controller parts. OSX is handling it
better for sure.
With Nuendo on the PC most people don't notice the performance loss
unless they are running very low latencies i.e. 256 or less. Nuendo is
much faster on the 8 cores of course but it should be considerably
faster. It seem to be a very Cubase/Nuendo based. No other applications
I've have tested acted this way. I got better low latency and cpu load
performance out of Samplitude, Sonar and Reaper with similar sized
projects.
> I never met a perfect computer. I’m just happy to find a box that is fast
> and reliable and hopefully capable of reducing the total number of computers
> I run when working on extremely large projects. My Quad Pro is fast, but
> when doing orchestral work, I still need at least one or two additional computers.
> The 8-core and Logic 8 may finally allow me to do very large track count
> projects and still have multi-instrument orchestral samples playing un-rendered
> in real time. That is a specific goal I have been trying to achieve for several
> years, as I typically like to add orchestral sweetening at the last stages
> of a production / arrangement.
>
I hear that. I've been happy sense using XP64 and being able to use more
ram. Of course still not more than 4 gigs because of lazy software
coders but I've got no control of that. Being able to address more ram
has always been a big factor for Apple with the big boost in speed from
the Intel hardware and the amount of ram that be used on that hardware
is awesome. I've always hated the ram limitations in windows sense i
started dealing with soft samplers. Gigastudio was always a lame program
to have to deal with. It's even worse sense Asscam took it over. With
the new faster hardware using a MAC for large Orchestral stuff will be
the best way to go for sure.
>
> Gene
PS - We are actually going to be Apple resellers soon so we have all the
bases covered :)
Shud Up McCloskey!!
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comHey, what ever your in to. The post was to say watch who and what you buy,
the license may not be honored. Also, that MS is still doing this kind of
thing. If you want to keep supporting them, that's up to you.
James
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Don't know and don't care. I build my own computers that do the things that
>I want them to do. They're cheap, the parts can be replaced or interchanged
>and since they've basically got my name on them rather than someone else's,
>it's my own fault if they crap out 99.9999% of the time.
>The genius bar around here is a banquet table covered with gadgets, a SenFu
>test bench with a PSU sitting on it, a monitor, keyboard, mouse and some
>other crap with a power strip velcroed to one end of it.
>
>If I get hosed, it's usually self induced.
>
>;o)
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4613e2f1$1@linux...
>>
>> Apple at one time had life time warranties on their products. The other
>> computer
>> manufactures had short limited warranties, and lower prices. Apple lost
>> sales to other manufactures that had lesser warranties. These warranties
>> were acceptable to people. The other companies set the standard. It
was
>> costing Apple a lot of money to have life time warranties, so now Apple
is
>> going by the industry standard.
>>
>> Are their suits against Dell, HP, Toshiba, Sony, or just Apple? They
have
>> basically the same warranty.
>>
>> It's new to me. Post some info on these law suits.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>James, what you're saying here about Apple is not true, as far as I can
>> see
>>>what they're doing many places here in Europe. They will not follow the
>>
>>>guarantee laws in different countries here and is suing their resellers
>> to
>>>pay for the difference, if the guarantee-periode is longer than their
own.
>> I
>>>know different resellers in Norway will not sell Apple products anymore
>> just
>>>because of these problems, when reparations over a year have eaten up
more
>>
>>>than their whole sellingprofitt on Appleproducts. So the other side of
the
>>
>>>Apple name is not as glorious as your believings about the firm;-)
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:4612d4f2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and
sue
>>
>>>> when
>>>> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
>>>> resellers,
>>>> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>>>
>>>> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get
>> as
>>>> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>>>>
>>>> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
>>>> (bribed)
>>>> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are
>>>> taught
>>>> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to
>>
>>>> install,
>>>> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX it is, then!
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done
a
>>
>>>>>massive
>>>>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
>>>> copies
>>>>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>>>>
>>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
>> is
>>>>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>>
>>>>>competition
>>>>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>>>>
>>>>>Debian it is, then.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>HI David,
Also if the G4 is old enough he might just have some real slow drives
that might be bogging stuff down.
Chris
EK Sound wrote:
> I can see that... the G4 is pretty slow by todays standards. Even with
> the slowest current crop of MAC or PC offerings, you should see a HUGE
> difference in performance over the G4.
>
> David.
>
> Mike R. wrote:
>> Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>> G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
>> 17 of
>> those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite
>> slow. THe
>> FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>> ITB
>> solution that would have lots more power.
>> Peace,
>> MR
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:4611d521$1@linux...
>>
>>> HI Bill,
>>>
>>> Power supply is under powered.
>>> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>>> no on board firewire
>>> no quad core support
>>> only 2 memory slots.
>>>
>>> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>>
>>> Good Quality Mid Tower case
>>> Intel E6600
>>> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>>> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>>> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>>> Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>>
>> Around
>>
>>>> $399.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46118d6d@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths and
>>>>> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>>>>
>>>>> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70
>>>>> @ 24
>>>>> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>>
>> then
>>
>>>>> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>>>>> libraries
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you already have a custom built system then you should really look
>>
>> at
>>
>>>>> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>>
>> price
>>
>>>>> range and be allot faster.
>>>>> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>>>>> 975
>>>>> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
>>>>> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
>>>>> and
>>>>> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
>>
>> using
>>
>>>>> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
>>>>> power
>>>>> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current Intel
>>>>> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working with
>>
>> it,
>>
>>>>>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>>>>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
>>
>> what
>>
>>>>>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>>
>> includes
>>
>>>>>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>>
>> (I'd
>>
>>>>>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if ands
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
>>>>>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
>>>>>> synths,
>>>>>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>>
>> probably
>>
>>>>>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on
>>>>>> all
>>
>> at
>>
>>>>>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is this
>>
>> even
>>
>>>>>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range? Thanks!
>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comAND he doesn't mention if he is recording to the OS drive or a
secondary drive...
David.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> HI David,
> Also if the G4 is old enough he might just have some real slow drives
> that might be bogging stuff down.
>
>
> Chris
>
> EK Sound wrote:
>
>> I can see that... the G4 is pretty slow by todays standards. Even
>> with the slowest current crop of MAC or PC offerings, you should see a
>> HUGE difference in performance over the G4.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Mike R. wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>>> G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
>>> 17 of
>>> those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite
>>> slow. THe
>>> FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of
>>> an ITB
>>> solution that would have lots more power.
>>> Peace,
>>> MR
>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4611d521$1@linux...
>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Gene,
>
>Gene Lennon wrote:
>> We certainly have different perspectives.
>Apples and Oranges? or Apples and Lemons HA
>
>My Quad core MacPro has been problem
>> free and lighting fast both in OSX and under Bootcamp. Last month when
I
>> was away, I got to play with a Pro that had the CPUs upgraded to the Quads
>> X 2 (essentially exactly the same machine as the new 8-Core) Digital Performer
>> (my primary app) used all 8 cores and ran like a gazelle. When switched
to
>> Bootcamp, Nuendo (demo) also seemed to run exceptionally fast, although
we
>> did not check for processor leveling.
>>
>The problems have nothing directly o do with Apple or Microsoft. It's
>Intels shortcut for the the architecture used with the 5000x chip sets.
>Although not a show stopper by any means it is not letting the CPU reach
>their full potential in speed especially when a system is fully loaded
>with hardware. The big issues on the PC OS side is that XP was never
>coded to take good advantage of 8 cores whether it be 64bit versions or
not.
>Vista works better with the 8 cores but comes with its own set of issues
>that I'm sure we are both aware of. :)
>
>The CPUs themselves are fast as hell the bottleneck is happening with
>the north bridge/south bridge controller parts. OSX is handling it
>better for sure.
>
>With Nuendo on the PC most people don't notice the performance loss
>unless they are running very low latencies i.e. 256 or less. Nuendo is
>much faster on the 8 cores of course but it should be considerably
>faster. It seem to be a very Cubase/Nuendo based. No other applications
>I've have tested acted this way. I got better low latency and cpu load
>performance out of Samplitude, Sonar and Reaper with similar sized
>projects.
>
>
>> I never met a perfect computer. I’m just happy to find a box that is fast
>> and reliable and hopefully capable of reducing the total number of computers
>> I run when working on extremely large projects. My Quad Pro is fast, but
>> when doing orchestral work, I still need at least one or two additional
computers.
>> The 8-core and Logic 8 may finally allow me to do very large track count
>> projects and still have multi-instrument orchestral samples playing un-rendered
>> in real time. That is a specific goal I have been trying to achieve for
several
>> years, as I typically like to add orchestral sweetening at the last stages
>> of a production / arrangement.
>>
>I hear that. I've been happy sense using XP64 and being able to use more
>ram. Of course still not more than 4 gigs because of lazy software
>coders but I've got no control of that. Being able to address more ram
>has always been a big factor for Apple with the big boost in speed from
>the Intel hardware and the amount of ram that be used on that hardware
>is awesome. I've always hated the ram limitations in windows sense i
>started dealing with soft samplers. Gigastudio was always a lame program
>to have to deal with. It's even worse sense Asscam took it over. With
>the new faster hardware using a MAC for large Orchestral stuff will be
>the best way to go for sure.
>
>
>>
>> Gene
>
>
>PS - We are actually going to be Apple resellers soon so we have all the
>bases covered :)
>Shud Up McCloskey!!
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
That would be, shut up Mr. McCloskey, to you."Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.apple.com/macpro/
Wow Gene, this is totally cool! With 8 cores it should be able to run a
few plugins. I wonder what else is up Apple's sleeve. I wonder if they
will have the rumored new smaller tower any time soon. Then there's Logic,
FCP, iLife 07", and the rumored touch screen thing. It's going to be an
interesting year.Hey James
It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a new
processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
MR
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4613e428$1@linux...
>
> Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>
> James
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
> >G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally 17
> of
> >those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
> THe
> >FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
ITB
> >solution that would have lots more power.
> >Peace,
> >MR
> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:4611d521$1@linux...
> >> HI Bill,
> >>
> >> Power supply is under powered.
> >> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
> >> no on board firewire
> >> no quad core support
> >> only 2 memory slots.
> >>
> >> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
> >>
> >> Good Quality Mid Tower case
> >> Intel E6600
> >> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
> >> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
> >> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
> >> Thermaltake 550w power supply
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> >> > Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
> >Around
> >> > $399.
> >> >
> >> > Bill L
> >> >
> >> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:46118d6d@linux...
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Mike,
> >> >> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
and
> >> >> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
> >> >>
> >> >> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to 70
> @ 24
> >> >> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
> >> >>
> >> >> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
> >then
> >> >> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
libraries
> >on
> >> >> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you already have a custom built system then you should really
look
> >at
> >> >> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
> >price
> >> >> range and be allot faster.
> >> >> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
> 975
> >> >> mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there is
> >> >> little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
> and
> >> >> chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell is
> >using
> >> >> on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
power
> >> >> supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current
Intel
> >> >> Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike R. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working
with
> >it,
> >> >>> but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
> I've
> >> >>> got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
> >> >>> thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system or
> >what
> >> >>> it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
> >includes
> >> >>> an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
> >(I'd
> >> >>> get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if
ands
> >and
> >> >>> buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts are
> >> >>> possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
synths,
> >> >>> ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
> >probably
> >> >>> at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq on
> all
> >at
> >> >>> least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is
this
> >even
> >> >>> approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
Thanks!
> >> >>> MR
> >> >>>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Chris Ludwig
> >> >>
> >> >> ADK Pro Audio
> >> >> (859) 635-5762
> >> >> www.adkproaudio.com
> >> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >> ADK
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >
> >
>In Scandinavia, electrical products must have 2 years warranties to get sold
but Apple wouldn't follow these rules at all, as far as I read in Norwegian
newspapers a few months ago. Understandable, the Apple way, when plenty of
Ipod's began to get problems after a year, but great problems for Norwegian
resellers that couldn't get paid for these reparations at all from Apple. So
what Apple is saying about warranties and what they're doing around the
world are just two different thing, as far as I can see.
....for me, it says much about Apple and their quality, when reading these
kind of things;-)...
Erling
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:4613e2f1$1@linux...
>
> Apple at one time had life time warranties on their products. The other
> computer
> manufactures had short limited warranties, and lower prices. Apple lost
> sales to other manufactures that had lesser warranties. These warranties
> were acceptable to people. The other companies set the standard. It was
> costing Apple a lot of money to have life time warranties, so now Apple is
> going by the industry standard.
>
> Are their suits against Dell, HP, Toshiba, Sony, or just Apple? They have
> basically the same warranty.
>
> It's new to me. Post some info on these law suits.
>
> James
>
> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>James, what you're saying here about Apple is not true, as far as I can
> see
>>what they're doing many places here in Europe. They will not follow the
>
>>guarantee laws in different countries here and is suing their resellers
> to
>>pay for the difference, if the guarantee-periode is longer than their own.
> I
>>know different resellers in Norway will not sell Apple products anymore
> just
>>because of these problems, when reparations over a year have eaten up more
>
>>than their whole sellingprofitt on Appleproducts. So the other side of the
>
>>Apple name is not as glorious as your believings about the firm;-)
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:4612d4f2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and sue
>
>>> when
>>> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
>>> resellers,
>>> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>>
>>> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get
> as
>>> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>>>
>>> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
>>> (bribed)
>>> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are
>>> taught
>>> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>>>
>>> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to
>
>>> install,
>>> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>>>
>>> Mac OSX it is, then!
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done a
>
>>>>massive
>>>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
>>> copies
>>>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>>>
>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
> is
>>>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>
>>>>competition
>>>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>>>
>>>>Debian it is, then.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Yes Sir!!
:)
James McCloskey wrote:
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>> Gene Lennon wrote:
>>> We certainly have different perspectives.
>> Apples and Oranges? or Apples and Lemons HA
>>
>> My Quad core MacPro has been problem
>>> free and lighting fast both in OSX and under Bootcamp. Last month when
> I
>>> was away, I got to play with a Pro that had the CPUs upgraded to the Quads
>>> X 2 (essentially exactly the same machine as the new 8-Core) Digital Performer
>>> (my primary app) used all 8 cores and ran like a gazelle. When switched
> to
>>> Bootcamp, Nuendo (demo) also seemed to run exceptionally fast, although
> we
>>> did not check for processor leveling.
>>>
>> The problems have nothing directly o do with Apple or Microsoft. It's
>> Intels shortcut for the the architecture used with the 5000x chip sets.
>
>> Although not a show stopper by any means it is not letting the CPU reach
>
>> their full potential in speed especially when a system is fully loaded
>> with hardware. The big issues on the PC OS side is that XP was never
>> coded to take good advantage of 8 cores whether it be 64bit versions or
> not.
>> Vista works better with the 8 cores but comes with its own set of issues
>
>> that I'm sure we are both aware of. :)
>>
>> The CPUs themselves are fast as hell the bottleneck is happening with
>> the north bridge/south bridge controller parts. OSX is handling it
>> better for sure.
>>
>> With Nuendo on the PC most people don't notice the performance loss
>> unless they are running very low latencies i.e. 256 or less. Nuendo is
>> much faster on the 8 cores of course but it should be considerably
>> faster. It seem to be a very Cubase/Nuendo based. No other applications
>
>> I've have tested acted this way. I got better low latency and cpu load
>
>> performance out of Samplitude, Sonar and Reaper with similar sized
>> projects.
>>
>>
>>> I never met a perfect computer. I’m just happy to find a box that is fast
>>> and reliable and hopefully capable of reducing the total number of computers
>>> I run when working on extremely large projects. My Quad Pro is fast, but
>>> when doing orchestral work, I still need at least one or two additional
> computers.
>>> The 8-core and Logic 8 may finally allow me to do very large track count
>>> projects and still have multi-instrument orchestral samples playing un-rendered
>>> in real time. That is a specific goal I have been trying to achieve for
> several
>>> years, as I typically like to add orchestral sweetening at the last stages
>>> of a production / arrangement.
>>>
>> I hear that. I've been happy sense using XP64 and being able to use more
>
>> ram. Of course still not more than 4 gigs because of lazy software
>> coders but I've got no control of that. Being able to address more ram
>> has always been a big factor for Apple with the big boost in speed from
>
>> the Intel hardware and the amount of ram that be used on that hardware
>> is awesome. I've always hated the ram limitations in windows sense i
>> started dealing with soft samplers. Gigastudio was always a lame program
>
>> to have to deal with. It's even worse sense Asscam took it over. With
>> the new faster hardware using a MAC for large Orchestral stuff will be
>> the best way to go for sure.
>>
>>
>>> Gene
>>
>> PS - We are actually going to be Apple resellers soon so we have all the
>
>> bases covered :)
>> Shud Up McCloskey!!
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
> That would be, shut up Mr. McCloskey, to you.
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comWhat software are you running that only gives you 20 tracks?
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey James
>It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a
new
>processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
>MR
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4613e428$1@linux...
>>
>> Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>> >G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
17
>> of
>> >those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
>> THe
>> >FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>ITB
>> >solution that would have lots more power.
>> >Peace,
>> >MR
>> >"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >news:4611d521$1@linux...
>> >> HI Bill,
>> >>
>> >> Power supply is under powered.
>> >> Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>> >> no on board firewire
>> >> no quad core support
>> >> only 2 memory slots.
>> >>
>> >> The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>> >>
>> >> Good Quality Mid Tower case
>> >> Intel E6600
>> >> Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>> >> 2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>> >> XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>> >> Thermaltake 550w power supply
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>> >> > Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>> >Around
>> >> > $399.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill L
>> >> >
>> >> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:46118d6d@linux...
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Mike,
>> >> >> Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
>and
>> >> >> effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to
70
>> @ 24
>> >> >> bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>> >then
>> >> >> this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>libraries
>> >on
>> >> >> a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you already have a custom built system then you should really
>look
>> >at
>> >> >> going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>> >price
>> >> >> range and be allot faster.
>> >> >> You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>> 975
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doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and sue
>>
>>>> when
>>>> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
>>>> resellers,
>>>> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>>>
>>>> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get
>> as
>>>> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>>>>
>>>> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
>>>> (bribed)
>>>> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are
>>>> taught
>>>> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to
>>
>>>> install,
>>>> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX it is, then!
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done a
>>
>>>>>massive
>>>>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
>>>> copies
>>>>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>>>>
>>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
>> is
>>>>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>>
>>>>>competition
>>>>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>>>>
>>>>>Debian it is, then.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>OS9??? ;-)
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> What software are you running that only gives you 20 tracks?
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey James
>>It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a
>
> new
>
>>processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
>>MR
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4613e428$1@linux...
>>
>>>Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>>>>G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
>
> 17
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
>>>
>>>THe
>>>
>>>>FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>>
>>ITB
>>
>>>>solution that would have lots more power.
>>>>Peace,
>>>>MR
>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4611d521$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>HI Bill,
>>>>>
>>>>>Power supply is under powered.
>>>>>Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>>>>>no on board firewire
>>>>>no quad core support
>>>>>only 2 memory slots.
>>>>>
>>>>>The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good Quality Mid Tower case
>>>>>Intel E6600
>>>>>Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>>>>>2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>>>>>XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>>>>>Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>>>>
>>>>Around
>>>>
>>>>>>$399.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:46118d6d@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>>effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to
>
> 70
>
>>>@ 24
>>>
>>>>>>>bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>>>>
>>>>then
>>>>
>>>>>>>this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>>
>>libraries
>>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>>>>>a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you already have a custom built system then you should really
>>
>>look
>>
>>>>at
>>>>
>>>>>>>going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>>>>
>>>>price
>>>>
>>>>>>>range and be allot faster.
>>>>>>>You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>>>
>>>975
>>>
>>>>>>>mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there
>
> is
>
>>>>>>>little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell
>
> is
>
>>>>using
>>>>
>>>>>>>on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
>>
>>power
>>
>>>>>>>supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current
>>
>>Intel
>>
>>>>>>>Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working
>>
>>with
>>
>>>>it,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>>>>>>got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>>>>>>>thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system
>
> or
>
>>>>what
>>>>
>>>>>>>>it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>>>>
>>>>includes
>>>>
>>>>>>>>an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>>>>
>>>>(I'd
>>>>
>>>>>>>>get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if
>>
>>ands
>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts
>
> are
>
>>>>>>>>possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
>>
>>synths,
>>
>>>>>>>>ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>>>>
>>>>probably
>>>>
>>>>>>>>at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq
>
> on
>
>>>all
>>>
>>>>at
>>>>
>>>>>>>>least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is
>>
>>this
>>
>>>>even
>>>>
>>>>>>>>approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>
>Wow Gene, this is totally cool! With 8 cores it should be able to run a
>few plugins. I wonder what else is up Apple's sleeve. I wonder if they
>will have the rumored new smaller tower any time soon. Then there's Logic,
>FCP, iLife 07", and the rumored touch screen thing. It's going to be an
>interesting year.
NAB is in 10 days. Look for FCP. FCP should run nice on the OCHO. I cant
talk about Logic....shhhh!
GeneApple has a standard warranty which is about the same as other manufactures.
Apple also has a 3 year extended warranty that can be purchased at the time
of sale, and up to 12 months after the sale on the product. The buyer should
know this, and every Apple dealer knows this in advance of any sale, so I
don't see how they can complain.
So let see some news articles on this subject. I think I can smell some
bullshit on this one.
By the way the post was about MS!
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>In Scandinavia, electrical products must have 2 years warranties to get
sold
>but Apple wouldn't follow these rules at all, as far as I read in Norwegian
>newspapers a few months ago. Understandable, the Apple way, when plenty
of
>Ipod's began to get problems after a year, but great problems for Norwegian
>resellers that couldn't get paid for these reparations at all from Apple.
So
>what Apple is saying about warranties and what they're doing around the
>world are just two different thing, as far as I can see.
>...for me, it says much about Apple and their quality, when reading these
>kind of things;-)...
>
>Erling
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:4613e2f1$1@linux...
>>
>> Apple at one time had life time warranties on their products. The other
>> computer
>> manufactures had short limited warranties, and lower prices. Apple lost
>> sales to other manufactures that had lesser warranties. These warranties
>> were acceptable to people. The other companies set the standard. It
was
>> costing Apple a lot of money to have life time warranties, so now Apple
is
>> going by the industry standard.
>>
>> Are their suits against Dell, HP, Toshiba, Sony, or just Apple? They
have
>> basically the same warranty.
>>
>> It's new to me. Post some info on these law suits.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>James, what you're saying here about Apple is not true, as far as I can
>> see
>>>what they're doing many places here in Europe. They will not follow the
>>
>>>guarantee laws in different countries here and is suing their resellers
>> to
>>>pay for the difference, if the guarantee-periode is longer than their
own.
>> I
>>>know different resellers in Norway will not sell Apple products anymore
>> just
>>>because of these problems, when reparations over a year have eaten up
more
>>
>>>than their whole sellingprofitt on Appleproducts. So the other side of
the
>>
>>>Apple name is not as glorious as your believings about the firm;-)
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:4612d4f2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and
sue
>>
>>>> when
>>>> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
>>>> resellers,
>>>> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>>>
>>>> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get
>> as
>>>> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>>>>
>>>> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
>>>> (bribed)
>>>> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are
>>>> taught
>>>> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to
>>
>>>> install,
>>>> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX it is, then!
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done
a
>>
>>>>>massive
>>>>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
>>>> copies
>>>>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>>>>
>>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
>> is
>>>>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>>
>>>>>competition
>>>>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>>>>
>>>>>Debian it is, then.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I've just put a default email in the web posting facility of "not@required.anymore"
in order to prevent the frustration of people having to put email addresses
in all the time.
I seem to have botched the colors on the post page, but I imagine it's a
step forward anyhow. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.You don't like Apple. So now your true colors are shining through, and I
can clearly see the ax you have to grind.
This post was about MS. So show me where Apple was suing Norwegian dealers!
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>In Scandinavia, electrical products must have 2 years warranties to get
sold
>but Apple wouldn't follow these rules at all, as far as I read in Norwegian
>newspapers a few months ago. Understandable, the Apple way, when plenty
of
>Ipod's began to get problems after a year, but great problems for Norwegian
>resellers that couldn't get paid for these reparations at all from Apple.
So
>what Apple is saying about warranties and what they're doing around the
>world are just two different thing, as far as I can see.
>...for me, it says much about Apple and their quality, when reading these
>kind of things;-)...
>
>Erling
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:4613e2f1$1@linux...
>>
>> Apple at one time had life time warranties on their products. The other
>> computer
>> manufactures had short limited warranties, and lower prices. Apple lost
>> sales to other manufactures that had lesser warranties. These warranties
>> were acceptable to people. The other companies set the standard. It
was
>> costing Apple a lot of money to have life time warranties, so now Apple
is
>> going by the industry standard.
>>
>> Are their suits against Dell, HP, Toshiba, Sony, or just Apple? They
have
>> basically the same warranty.
>>
>> It's new to me. Post some info on these law suits.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>James, what you're saying here about Apple is not true, as far as I can
>> see
>>>what they're doing many places here in Europe. They will not follow the
>>
>>>guarantee laws in different countries here and is suing their resellers
>> to
>>>pay for the difference, if the guarantee-periode is longer than their
own.
>> I
>>>know different resellers in Norway will not sell Apple products anymore
>> just
>>>because of these problems, when reparations over a year have eaten up
more
>>
>>>than their whole sellingprofitt on Appleproducts. So the other side of
the
>>
>>>Apple name is not as glorious as your believings about the firm;-)
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:4612d4f2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and
sue
>>
>>>> when
>>>> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
>>>> resellers,
>>>> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>>>
>>>> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get
>> as
>>>> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>>>>
>>>> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
>>>> (bribed)
>>>> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are
>>>> taught
>>>> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to
>>
>>>> install,
>>>> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX it is, then!
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done
a
>>
>>>>>massive
>>>>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of pirated
>>>> copies
>>>>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>>>>
>>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
>> is
>>>>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>>
>>>>>competition
>>>>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>>>>
>>>>>Debian it is, then.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>It seems to only work on the post page, not the post response page...
Cheers,
Kim.
<not@required.anymore> wrote:
>
>
>I've just put a default email in the web posting facility of "not@required.anymore"
>in order to prevent the frustration of people having to put email addresses
>in all the time.
>
>I seem to have botched the colors on the post page, but I imagine it's a
>step forward anyhow. :o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.In Cubase, how do you setup input?Hey Kim, it looks like you lost the name box also. Was that your intent?
<not@required.anymore> wrote:
>
>
>I've just put a default email in the web posting facility of "not@required.anymore"
>in order to prevent the frustration of people having to put email addresses
>in all the time.
>
>I seem to have botched the colors on the post page, but I imagine it's a
>step forward anyhow. :o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.It's chapter 1 !!!
F4 VST connectionsHI Gene,
I bet Adobe won't be happy!!
Chris
Gene Lennon wrote:
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/macpro/
>>>
>> Wow Gene, this is totally cool! With 8 cores it should be able to run a
>> few plugins. I wonder what else is up Apple's sleeve. I wonder if they
>> will have the rumored new smaller tower any time soon. Then there's Logic,
>> FCP, iLife 07", and the rumored touch screen thing. It's going to be an
>> interesting year.
>>
>
> NAB is in 10 days. Look for FCP. FCP should run nice on the OCHO. I cant
> talk about Logic....shhhh!
> Gene
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762Hey John,
I have no idea what you mean. As far as Chapter 1-there is no manual-and
as far as F4 keep in mind this is a mac.
Steve
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>It's chapter 1 !!!
>
>F4 VST connectionsChapter or not, it's still under "VST Connections".
:)
On a PC, it's under a drop-down menu on the top - does the Mac
version have that?
Neil
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>Hey John,
>I have no idea what you mean. As far as Chapter 1-there is no manual-and
>as far as F4 keep in mind this is a mac.
>Steve
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>It's chapter 1 !!!
>>
>>F4 VST connections
>OK... assume I know absolutly zero about Cubase, because this is true. I am
a hard core Paris-ite. I hit F4, and Buss 1 comes up. How does that tell
me how to connect my keyboard to Cubases input?
"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Chapter or not, it's still under "VST Connections".
>
>:)
>
>
>On a PC, it's under a drop-down menu on the top - does the Mac
>version have that?
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey John,
>>I have no idea what you mean. As far as Chapter 1-there is no manual-and
>>as far as F4 keep in mind this is a mac.
>>Steve
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>It's chapter 1 !!!
>>>
>>>F4 VST connections
>>
>No... I might put it back how it was until I have more time methinks...
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Kim, it looks like you lost the name box also. Was that your intent?
>
><not@required.anymore> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I've just put a default email in the web posting facility of "not@required.anymore"
>>in order to prevent the frustration of people having to put email addresses
>>in all the time.
>>
>>I seem to have botched the colors on the post page, but I imagine it's
a
>>step forward anyhow. :o)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>No, no, no, I didn't say F4 - I said it's still under vst
connections, whihc is also located under a drop-down menu up on
the top of the screen once Cubase is open... Does the Mac
version of Cubase have that menu?
Neil
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>OK... assume I know absolutly zero about Cubase, because this is true. I
am
>a hard core Paris-ite. I hit F4, and Buss 1 comes up. How does that tell
>me how to connect my keyboard to Cubases input?
>
>"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Chapter or not, it's still under "VST Connections".
>>
>>:)
>>
>>
>>On a PC, it's under a drop-down menu on the top - does the Mac
>>version have that?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey John,
>>>I have no idea what you mean. As far as Chapter 1-there is no manual-and
>>>as far as F4 keep in mind this is a mac.
>>>Steve
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>It's chapter 1 !!!
>>>>
>>>>F4 VST connections
>>>
>>
>Are you trying to record audio or midi? This is with LE
correct?
David.
not@required.anymore wrote:
> In Cubase, how do you setup input?On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:32:06 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>hmmm....well no, but I think the patchbay is tres cool with the
>realistically animated cables and all.
>
>;o)
Yes, that is kinda nifty...
For some reason (ha! I crack me up sometimes!!!) it just started
working with the usb connection this afternoon.
Go figure.
pabAudio. We just need to find out how to hook-up the keyboard to it.For instance....
In several of my other programs I'll go to "Preferences" and it will show
me the input selections of my audio card and motherboard to select from
either Built in or from my card: Revolution digital in or analog in. For
now he will have to use built in, because he doesn't have any light pipe
or digi out on his Yamaha S-90 ES. But we are looking to get a special lan
card for his keyboard and a digital card for his G4. I entered a post earlier
mentioning that I am helping out my friends son here with all this.....
Steve
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Are you trying to record audio or midi? This is with LE
>correct?
>
>David.
>
>not@required.anymore wrote:
>> In Cubase, how do you setup input?It’s been a while since I spent any time on a Pyramix system and I do remember
the compressor being excellent, but today I have been playing around with
the Flux Solera+ and it is exceptional. I like it better than the Sony Dynamics
compressor on almost everything I’ve tried it on and the Sony had previously
been my number one choice. (Not counting hardware.)
Demos now at:
http://www.fluxhome.com/index.php?option=com_remository& Itemid=76&func=select&id=3
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>In the Sonalksis plugin thread a while back, I mentioned Flux plugins (new
>in the VST arena, but seem to be well respected in the Pyramix market).
I
>have them in house for review and just thought I would pass on some early
>observations for anyone interested.
>
>Very, very nice plugins. Nice GUI, easy install (usb dongle doesn't require
>extra drivers, registration, etc - just install, plug in and go), and work
>great in Nuendo 3.2 and Sequoia 8.3. The comp is very controllable, and
>more flexible than most. Both the EQ (Epure) and comp (Solera) are very
>transparent and smooth. These are designed as mastering plugins I believe,
>but work great on a lot of sources, including vocals. The multifunction
>comp (Solera) comes with 4 capabilites: compression, decompression,
>expansion and de-expansion - these can work interdependantly. In addition,
>there are separate plugins for each comp section as well in the Pure series.
>Each plugin can morph between two presets for finding just the right
>combination, or automating a change between the two - very smooth sound
when
>morphing.
>
>I'm sure they will have a free demo in time - worth watching. I'll post
a
>link when the review is done. There's a lot more to cover there - lot's
of
>recallability and features that you don't find in other plugins.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>I agree - Solera is a fantastic comp for a lot of uses - it's my goto comp
now as well.
I would be interested to hear your impressions of ePure as well.
Regards,
Dedric
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:46146a1a$1@linux...
>
> It's been a while since I spent any time on a Pyramix system and I do
> remember
> the compressor being excellent, but today I have been playing around with
> the Flux Solera+ and it is exceptional. I like it better than the Sony
> Dynamics
> compressor on almost everything I've tried it on and the Sony had
> previously
> been my number one choice. (Not counting hardware.)
>
> Demos now at:
> http://www.fluxhome.com/index.php?option=com_remository& Itemid=76&func=select&id=3
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>In the Sonalksis plugin thread a while back, I mentioned Flux plugins (new
>
>>in the VST arena, but seem to be well respected in the Pyramix market).
> I
>>have them in house for review and just thought I would pass on some early
>
>>observations for anyone interested.
>>
>>Very, very nice plugins. Nice GUI, easy install (usb dongle doesn't
>>require
>
>>extra drivers, registration, etc - just install, plug in and go), and work
>
>>great in Nuendo 3.2 and Sequoia 8.3. The comp is very controllable, and
>
>>more flexible than most. Both the EQ (Epure) and comp (Solera) are very
>
>>transparent and smooth. These are designed as mastering plugins I
>>believe,
>
>>but work great on a lot of sources, including vocals. The multifunction
>
>>comp (Solera) comes with 4 capabilites: compression, decompression,
>>expansion and de-expansion - these can work interdependantly. In
>>addition,
>
>>there are separate plugins for each comp section as well in the Pure
>>series.
>
>>Each plugin can morph between two presets for finding just the right
>>combination, or automating a change between the two - very smooth sound
> when
>>morphing.
>>
>>I'm sure they will have a free demo in time - worth watching. I'll post
> a
>>link when the review is done. There's a lot more to cover there - lot's
> of
>>recallability and features that you don't find in other plugins.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/04/04/mars.climate.reut/i ndex.html http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=c580b724-47ce-4d0f-aadf-28 5553f73781&f=imbot_us_default&fg=rss
now that's just funny
AA http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/04/obit.clark.ap/i ndex.html
Thank you Robert Clark. God speed.
AAAl your so full of shit you actually believe yourself.
So now we're supposed to pay reparations for this to? Should I make out
the check to you or the corporation your heavily invested in to?
GWB
"Al Gore" <Al@inventoroftheinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/space/04/04/mars.climate.reut/i ndex.html
>
>
>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/As far as I can see, Apple will only give a year guarantee on their Ipods in
Norway, when the law says two. There have been plenty of reparation on the
product in these two years periode, well documented here in Norway, as far
as I can read and understand Norwegian newspapers;-) When resellers can't
get paid for the last years reparations by Apple, I can't find another word
that they're suing the dealers here. Can't you see that a product that's so
expensive should be free for problems the first 2 years, or is it too holy
for you to talk about when the name Apple is being involved in shit like
these;-)?
I like Apple computers very well but not well enough to buy something that's
so overprized without taking care of resellers and customers in a good way,
if it must be repaired.
So I don't think your feelings about Apple should run away as often as
they're doing here with you, when someone are talking about well documented
problems they have;-) When the name "Apple" is making a form for religious
feelings like these, I must say they have done and is doing reall good
marketing "jobs" in selling well overpriced products from "Jobs" around the
whole world;-)
Maybe therefor, I'm very comfortable with most of my Behringer gear, that's
doing the "jobs" well, without going up in fire at all.(As Deej can tell
much about;-)) I must say, I haven't had a single reparation yet on any of
my Behringer gear. (Maybe I have been more lucky than Deej with the damn
cheap shit;-))
Erling
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:461436fe$1@linux...
>
> You don't like Apple. So now your true colors are shining through, and I
> can clearly see the ax you have to grind.
>
> This post was about MS. So show me where Apple was suing Norwegian
> dealers!
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>In Scandinavia, electrical products must have 2 years warranties to get
> sold
>>but Apple wouldn't follow these rules at all, as far as I read in
>>Norwegian
>
>>newspapers a few months ago. Understandable, the Apple way, when plenty
> of
>>Ipod's began to get problems after a year, but great problems for
>>Norwegian
>
>>resellers that couldn't get paid for these reparations at all from Apple.
> So
>>what Apple is saying about warranties and what they're doing around the
>
>>world are just two different thing, as far as I can see.
>>...for me, it says much about Apple and their quality, when reading these
>
>>kind of things;-)...
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:4613e2f1$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Apple at one time had life time warranties on their products. The other
>
>>> computer
>>> manufactures had short limited warranties, and lower prices. Apple lost
>>> sales to other manufactures that had lesser warranties. These
>>> warranties
>>> were acceptable to people. The other companies set the standard. It
> was
>>> costing Apple a lot of money to have life time warranties, so now Apple
> is
>>> going by the industry standard.
>>>
>>> Are their suits against Dell, HP, Toshiba, Sony, or just Apple? They
> have
>>> basically the same warranty.
>>>
>>> It's new to me. Post some info on these law suits.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>>James, what you're saying here about Apple is not true, as far as I can
>>> see
>>>>what they're doing many places here in Europe. They will not follow the
>>>
>>>>guarantee laws in different countries here and is suing their resellers
>>> to
>>>>pay for the difference, if the guarantee-periode is longer than their
> own.
>>> I
>>>>know different resellers in Norway will not sell Apple products anymore
>>> just
>>>>because of these problems, when reparations over a year have eaten up
> more
>>>
>>>>than their whole sellingprofitt on Appleproducts. So the other side of
> the
>>>
>>>>Apple name is not as glorious as your believings about the firm;-)
>>>>
>>>>Erling
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>news:4612d4f2$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and
> sue
>>>
>>>>> when
>>>>> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
>>>>> resellers,
>>>>> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't get
>>> as
>>>>> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>>>>>
>>>>> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
>>>>> (bribed)
>>>>> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are
>>>>> taught
>>>>> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy to
>>>
>>>>> install,
>>>>> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mac OSX it is, then!
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done
> a
>>>
>>>>>>massive
>>>>>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of
>>>>>>pirated
>>>>> copies
>>>>>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
>>> is
>>>>>>extremely flexible with
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80404 is a reply to message #80365] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 18:58 |
Paul Artola
Messages: 161
Registered: November 2005
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Senior Member |
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com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>If you're trying this site, you can get manuals and updates on all Steinberg
stuff:
ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/
Erling
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:46145a89$1@linux...
>
> Audio. We just need to find out how to hook-up the keyboard to it.For
> instance....
> In several of my other programs I'll go to "Preferences" and it will show
> me the input selections of my audio card and motherboard to select from
> either Built in or from my card: Revolution digital in or analog in. For
> now he will have to use built in, because he doesn't have any light pipe
> or digi out on his Yamaha S-90 ES. But we are looking to get a special lan
> card for his keyboard and a digital card for his G4. I entered a post
> earlier
> mentioning that I am helping out my friends son here with all this.....
> Steve
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>Are you trying to record audio or midi? This is with LE
>>correct?
>>
>>David.
>>
>>not@required.anymore wrote:
>>> In Cubase, how do you setup input?
>Sarah (shaking fist at sky, shouting): Damn you, Gates!
"Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote in message news:46149ef1$1@linux...
>
> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>
>The Red Cross sucks, I wouldn't give em a penny.You better get the manual, otherwise you're in for a long road. I've read
it 3 times and it's still confusing.ROTFL!!!!
Awwww dude......wiping up coffee.....
;oD
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:461489c5$1@linux...
> http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=c580b724-47ce-4d0f-aadf-28 5553f73781&f=imbot_us_default&fg=rss
>
> now that's just funny
>
> AA
>...and the link directly w/o going through alanis :)
http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=2f6f34ad-942d-4280-9c1b-33 f43f92b118&f=imbot_us_default&fg=email
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:461489c5$1@linux...
> http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=c580b724-47ce-4d0f-aadf-28 5553f73781&f=imbot_us_default&fg=rss
>
> now that's just funny
>
> AA
>"Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote in message news:46149ef1$1@linux...
>
> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>
>
Hey, this is strange. Donations for the National AIDS fund? I thought
Microsoft invented AIDS
......or was that Al Gore?
;o)> Maybe therefor, I'm very comfortable with most of my Behringer gear,
> that's
> doing the "jobs" well, without going up in fire at all.(As Deej can tell
> much about;-)) I must say, I haven't had a single reparation yet on any
> of my Behringer gear. (Maybe I have been more lucky than Deej with the
> damn cheap shit;-))
>
> Erling
Heh!!!.........I'll say this for Behringer......their tech support people
are friendly and not arrogant at all and they don't give you any shit if
there is *any* doubt about the product being broken. You send it in and they
immediately ship another unit, or give you a refund.
;o)His lyrics have actually improved... ;-)
lol
On 4/5/07 7:39 AM, in article 4614fd34@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> ..and the link directly w/o going through alanis :)
>
> http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=2f6f34ad-942d-4280-9c1b-33 f43f92b118&f=imbot
> _us_default&fg=email
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:461489c5$1@linux...
>
>> http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=c580b724-47ce-4d0f-aadf-28 5553f73781&f=imbo
>> t_us_default&fg=rss
>>
>> now that's just funny
>>
>> AA
>>
>
>Hi Steve,
How to record audio in Cubase LE is pretty well explained in both "f1"
html help file and in the Adobe PDF getting started and operations
manuals. If your Cubase does not have these already installed then they
might be in a folder in the Cubase LE CD.
If not I can email them or post them here for you. I have the PC version
but they operate pretty much the same way.
As long as the s-90's analog out is plugged into he sound cards analog
channels 1/2 inputs then you should be able to record them. Cubase by
default will only create a stereo input and output based the first I/O
on your sound card. If the sound card is only stereo then you good to
go. Just create the audio track and set it to stereo. Record arm the
track and hit record on the transport bar.
You will probably have to check carefully on OS9 support for currently
produced sound cards. Some of the new ones don't have OS9 support.
Chris
Steve Cox wrote:
> Audio. We just need to find out how to hook-up the keyboard to it.For instance....
> In several of my other programs I'll go to "Preferences" and it will show
> me the input selections of my audio card and motherboard to select from
> either Built in or from my card: Revolution digital in or analog in. For
> now he will have to use built in, because he doesn't have any light pipe
> or digi out on his Yamaha S-90 ES. But we are looking to get a special lan
> card for his keyboard and a digital card for his G4. I entered a post earlier
> mentioning that I am helping out my friends son here with all this.....
> Steve
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Are you trying to record audio or midi? This is with LE
>> correct?
>>
>> David.
>>
>> not@required.anymore wrote:
>>> In Cubase, how do you setup input?
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comTop of the main page "Devices" - dropdown contains all the routing
sections - input - outout - vst instruments etc.
As for the actual channel...should be showing a small graphic on the extreme
left side of your main window...that contains inserts, eq, sends etc and
there should be an input and output section and your options for each i.e.
midi routing, audio input audio output etc
Hope that helped but in truth your're probably totally confused
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:46145a89$1@linux...
>
> Audio. We just need to find out how to hook-up the keyboard to it.For
> instance....
> In several of my other programs I'll go to "Preferences" and it will show
> me the input selections of my audio card and motherboard to select from
> either Built in or from my card: Revolution digital in or analog in. For
> now he will have to use built in, because he doesn't have any light pipe
> or digi out on his Yamaha S-90 ES. But we are looking to get a special lan
> card for his keyboard and a digital card for his G4. I entered a post
> earlier
> mentioning that I am helping out my friends son here with all this.....
> Steve
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>Are you trying to record audio or midi? This is with LE
>>correct?
>>
>>David.
>>
>>not@required.anymore wrote:
>>> In Cubase, how do you setup input?
>They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business practices.
They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to forget
what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
"Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>
>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>
> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
people with
different personalities and personal goals.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46153119$1@linux...
>
> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
> practices.
> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to forget
> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>
>
> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>
>>
>Over priced is a matter of opinion. Apple offers a 3 year warranty. It's
a choice to buy the warranty or not. The dealers know this, so they don't
have much room to cry about this. Apple sets the terms of sale and the
terms of their warranty, if you don't like it you don't have to buy their
products!
Apple is having the iPod manufactured in the same foxcon plant everybody
else is, so the quality should be about the same.
So if it so documented, post a link!
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>As far as I can see, Apple will only give a year guarantee on their Ipods
in
>Norway, when the law says two. There have been plenty of reparation on the
>product in these two years periode, well documented here in Norway, as far
>as I can read and understand Norwegian newspapers;-) When resellers can't
>get paid for the last years reparations by Apple, I can't find another word
>that they're suing the dealers here. Can't you see that a product that's
so
>expensive should be free for problems the first 2 years, or is it too holy
>for you to talk about when the name Apple is being involved in shit like
>these;-)?
>I like Apple computers very well but not well enough to buy something that's
>so overprized without taking care of resellers and customers in a good way,
>if it must be repaired.
>So I don't think your feelings about Apple should run away as often as
>they're doing here with you, when someone are talking about well documented
>problems they have;-) When the name "Apple" is making a form for religious
>feelings like these, I must say they have done and is doing reall good
>marketing "jobs" in selling well overpriced products from "Jobs" around
the
>whole world;-)
>Maybe therefor, I'm very comfortable with most of my Behringer gear, that's
>doing the "jobs" well, without going up in fire at all.(As Deej can tell
>much about;-)) I must say, I haven't had a single reparation yet on any
of
>my Behringer gear. (Maybe I have been more lucky than Deej with the damn
>cheap shit;-))
>
>Erling
>
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:461436fe$1@linux...
>>
>> You don't like Apple. So now your true colors are shining through, and
I
>> can clearly see the ax you have to grind.
>>
>> This post was about MS. So show me where Apple was suing Norwegian
>> dealers!
>>
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>In Scandinavia, electrical products must have 2 years warranties to get
>> sold
>>>but Apple wouldn't follow these rules at all, as far as I read in
>>>Norwegian
>>
>>>newspapers a few months ago. Understandable, the Apple way, when plenty
>> of
>>>Ipod's began to get problems after a year, but great problems for
>>>Norwegian
>>
>>>resellers that couldn't get paid for these reparations at all from Apple.
>> So
>>>what Apple is saying about warranties and what they're doing around the
>>
>>>world are just two different thing, as far as I can see.
>>>...for me, it says much about Apple and their quality, when reading these
>>
>>>kind of things;-)...
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>news:4613e2f1$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Apple at one time had life time warranties on their products. The other
>>
>>>> computer
>>>> manufactures had short limited warranties, and lower prices. Apple
lost
>>>> sales to other manufactures that had lesser warranties. These
>>>> warranties
>>>> were acceptable to people. The other companies set the standard. It
>> was
>>>> costing Apple a lot of money to have life time warranties, so now Apple
>> is
>>>> going by the industry standard.
>>>>
>>>> Are their suits against Dell, HP, Toshiba, Sony, or just Apple? They
>> have
>>>> basically the same warranty.
>>>>
>>>> It's new to me. Post some info on these law suits.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>>>James, what you're saying here about Apple is not true, as far as I
can
>>>> see
>>>>>what they're doing many places here in Europe. They will not follow
the
>>>>
>>>>>guarantee laws in different countries here and is suing their resellers
>>>> to
>>>>>pay for the difference, if the guarantee-periode is longer than their
>> own.
>>>> I
>>>>>know different resellers in Norway will not sell Apple products anymore
>>>> just
>>>>>because of these problems, when reparations over a year have eaten up
>> more
>>>>
>>>>>than their whole sellingprofitt on Appleproducts. So the other side
of
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>Apple name is not as glorious as your believings about the firm;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Erling
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>news:4612d4f2$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least Apple doesn't steal from others, and then turn around and
>> sue
>>>>
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> somebody copies their products. You don't see Apple suing their
>>>>>> resellers,
>>>>>> or under privileged kids and their single parent mothers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is just more typical Microsoft greed! Boo hoo hoo, MS didn't
get
>>>> as
>>>>>> much per copy, boo hoo hoo!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next you'll hear how Gates, the wonderful philanthropist, gave money
>>>>>> (bribed)
>>>>>> a south american country to make sure MS products and thinking are
>>>>>> taught
>>>>>> in their schools, and used by their government and people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know when Debian is ready for prime time. That means, easy
to
>>>>
>>>>>> install,
>>>>>> easy to maintain, and runs all the major commercial softwares. . .Oh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac OSX it is, then!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They're also making the way that volume licensing in general is done
>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>>massive
>>>>>>>PITA with Vista. M$oft claim that some outlandish percentage of
>>>>>>>pirated
>>>>>> copies
>>>>>>>of XP in particular are educational volume licenses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The good thing is that we have an alternative to this nonsense. Apple
>>>> is
>>>>>>>extremely flexible with their resellers and actively encourages price
>>>>
>>>>>>>competition
>>>>>>>to get customers the best deal possi . . . Oh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Debian it is, then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070403/D8O9AKP80.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>James,the new 8 cores have arrived..When can we expect to a new version of
logic..??This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
START READING!
http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>
>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>people with
>different personalities and personal goals.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>
>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>> practices.
>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to forget
>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>
>>
>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>James,the new 8 cores have arrived..When can we expect to a new version
of
>logic..??
I don't know! I think soon though. Maybe NAB or WWDC.
Jameshttp://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings.html
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>
>You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>
>START READING!
>
>http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>
>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>
>>people with
>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>
>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>
>>> practices.
>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to forget
>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>if what is documented? Behringers tech support?
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:461503ac@linux...
>
>> Maybe therefor, I'm very comfortable with most of my Behringer gear,
>> that's
>> doing the "jobs" well, without going up in fire at all.(As Deej can tell
>> much about;-)) I must say, I haven't had a single reparation yet on any
>> of my Behringer gear. (Maybe I have been more lucky than Deej with the
>> damn cheap shit;-))
>>
>> Erling
>
> Heh!!!.........I'll say this for Behringer......their tech support people
> are friendly and not arrogant at all and they don't give you any shit if
> there is *any* doubt about the product being broken. You send it in and
> they immediately ship another unit, or give you a refund.
> ;o)
>
>
>hahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!
dood!!!!
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:46142d75$1@linux...
> OS9??? ;-)
>
> David.
>
> James McCloskey wrote:
>> What software are you running that only gives you 20 tracks?
>>
>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey James
>>>It was originally 800mhz. The guy I bought the system from had put in a
>>
>> new
>>
>>>processor. I believe its rated at 1.7 mhz.
>>>MR
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4613e428$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Mike, what is the speed of your G4? Just curious.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Chris, Bill and Dave for the responses. Very helpful. On my
>>>>>G4 -with 2 gigs of ram, I'm only getting about 20 tracks. Generally
>>
>> 17
>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>those are "frozen." Its ok, but at this count the G4 gets quite slow.
>>>>
>>>>THe
>>>>
>>>>>FSB on that thing really kills it. BUT, I can see the potential of an
>>>
>>>ITB
>>>
>>>>>solution that would have lots more power.
>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>MR
>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4611d521$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Power supply is under powered.
>>>>>>Only 1 PCI-e port so no expansion
>>>>>>no on board firewire
>>>>>>no quad core support
>>>>>>only 2 memory slots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The configuration I'd recommend runs about 950.00 on Tiger direct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good Quality Mid Tower case
>>>>>>Intel E6600
>>>>>>Intel 975XBX2KR motherboard
>>>>>>2 x 1 gig DDR2 667mhz ram
>>>>>>XFX dual dvi fanless video card
>>>>>>Thermaltake 550w power supply
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Saw a pretty good deal on a bare bones core 2 duo at Tiger Direct.
>>>>>
>>>>>Around
>>>>>
>>>>>>>$399.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:46118d6d@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>Track count would be fine but not sure on all the software synths
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>effects. That will depend on what they are , how many voices, tec.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For raw audio track count with no effects probably around 60 to
>>
>> 70
>>
>>>>@ 24
>>>>
>>>>>>>>bit 44.1/48k. About half for 96k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the software synths you have are stream s samples from the drive
>>>>>
>>>>>then
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this will effects overall track count. If you put your sample
>>>
>>>libraries
>>>
>>>>>on
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a separate drive than the audio/project drive then this will help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you already have a custom built system then you should really
>>>
>>>look
>>>
>>>>>at
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>going the Core2 Duo path. It would putting you in the 800 to 1000
>>>>>
>>>>>price
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>range and be allot faster.
>>>>>>>>You would probably be looking at 850 or so for a E6300, Intel brand
>>>>
>>>>975
>>>>
>>>>>>>>mobo, dual head video card and 2 gigs ram if you wanted to DYI it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You will have to remember that with he X2 4400 based system there
>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>>>>little of no upgrade. It is already st the end of life for the chip
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>chip set. You will also have to check to see what chip set Dell
>>
>> is
>>
>>>>>using
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>on the AMD board. If it is an Nforce4 or Via then forget it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You would need motherboard, ram , video card, cpu and maybe a new
>>>
>>>power
>>>
>>>>>>>>supply. You can reuse your case and most all your drives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There is a price drop happening I think in June for the current
>>>
>>>Intel
>>>
>>>>>>>>Core2 Duos depending on when you are looking to do the change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mike R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Paris has been an awesome system. I intend to continue working
>>>
>>>with
>>>
>>>>>it,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>but I'm considering an ITB solution to use in addition to Paris.
>>>>
>>>>I've
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>got some jack to throw at a new computer, but not top dollar -I'm
>>>>>>>>>thinking maybe 800.00. I haven't checked out a barebones system
>>
>> or
>>
>>>>>what
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it would cost to roll my own, but Dell is selling a system that
>>>>>
>>>>>includes
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>an Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4400+. 1 gig of ram. 250gig sata drive.
>>>>>
>>>>>(I'd
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>get a separate audio drive.) Anyhoo, I know there's lots of if
>>>
>>>ands
>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>buts, but, any thoughts on what kind of real world track counts
>>
>> are
>>
>>>>>>>>>possible? Or alternatively, I'm trying to run about five soft
>>>
>>>synths,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>ten tracks with loops (a la Acid) and 16 - 20 audio tracks --so
>>>>>
>>>>>probably
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>at least 10 compressors, a couple of verbs of the auxs, and eq
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>at
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>least 24 tracks. I'd rather not have to "freeze" anything. Is
>>>
>>>this
>>>
>>>>>even
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>approachable with a dual core athlon, or in this price range?
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80406 is a reply to message #80401] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 20:33 |
Jamie K
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all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS? I
don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a Mac
reseller by chance?
Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses on.
There's more to life, and computer technology
than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
hurting your argument, not
that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like, and
post all you want about Apple products, but leave
the crusade offline, please.
Thanks,
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:461539ad$1@linux...
>
> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>
> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>
> START READING!
>
> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>
>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>
>>people with
>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>
>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>
>>> practices.
>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>> forget
>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>No, Erling claim that Apple is suing Apple dealers in Norway. I think he
is confused, it's more likely that it's the other way around. Everybody
is trying to cash in on Apple's success, by suing them.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>if what is documented? Behringers tech support?
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:461503ac@linux...
>>
>>> Maybe therefor, I'm very comfortable with most of my Behringer gear,
>>> that's
>>> doing the "jobs" well, without going up in fire at all.(As Deej can tell
>>> much about;-)) I must say, I haven't had a single reparation yet on
any
>>> of my Behringer gear. (Maybe I have been more lucky than Deej with the
>>> damn cheap shit;-))
>>>
>>> Erling
>>
>> Heh!!!.........I'll say this for Behringer......their tech support people
>> are friendly and not arrogant at all and they don't give you any shit
if
>> there is *any* doubt about the product being broken. You send it in and
>> they immediately ship another unit, or give you a refund.
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>
>All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I am asking.
Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in input,
digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what you
are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
not midi.
SteveRead...
ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Cubase_LE_1/Docs_English/
David.
Steve Cox wrote:
> All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I am asking.
> Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in input,
> digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what you
> are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
> not midi.
> SteveI found it... Devices > Device setup > VST Multitrack > Setup > ASIO > then
I can select between Built-in, and analog in (card). Looks like Cubase doesn't
allow digital in from the card? Is that correct??
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I am
asking.
>Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in input,
>digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what you
>are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
>not midi.
>SteveDavid, I am honestly not trying to be a jerk. I just wanted one question answered.
Either you guys feel like answering it, or you don't. Looks like the ones
who don't keep telling me to RTFM. I am not interested in reading the manual.
I have had years of troubles with dyslexia and imberrassingly have told you
guys this. I have to read 3 words at a time backwards, then forwards, then
compare the two, then carry on to the next 3-4 words. Typing this plea to
you guys took about 10-15 minutes. I just thought that if I asked this simple
question, I could count on that one of you might answer it as "Devices >
VST Multitrack > Setup > ASIO Driver. I have never used Cubase before and
don't intend to start now especially since it doesn't allow digital input.
And lets not forget that there are a few of us die hard Paris-ites out there.
Thanks' Steve
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Read...
>
>ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Cubase_LE_1/Docs_English/
>
>David.
>
>Steve Cox wrote:
>> All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I
am asking.
>> Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in input,
>> digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what
you
>> are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
>> not midi.
>> Stevei would say not until leopard is out. even though they're just rumors
i wouldn't be surprised if 8 i mostly exclusive to 10.5 and mactels.
On 6 Apr 2007 04:01:12 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>James,the new 8 cores have arrived..When can we expect to a new version of
>logic..??I do know about these companies. You should read up on the real history of
the two companies and the CEOs. I have a family member that was an executive
at a software company that MS decided to destroy. MS hired away their top
software engineers by bribing them with 1.5 to 3 million dollar starting
bonuses. Then MS gave away their competing product. The other software
had no real chance of surviving. MS now dominates that market segment.
The unethical, monopolistic business practices of MS are vary clear. It's
not Opinion. Go read the findings and know the truth!
MS has been able to lobby, bribe and by off politicians. That is how they
got out of all the anti trust judgments. The law were set up, but they don't
apply to companies like MS. We have the best government money can BUY!
When I see gates run down to some countries to bribe there officials, then
pat him self on the back because he gave a million dollars to a library,
I know what's up. Only stupid people, can't see through this. The guy has
no integrity. He is a crook and a thief. Just look at Vista, it's a blatant
rip off of Mac OSX.
When I hear ignorant bullshit about Apple or Jobs, I step up to the plate.
There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple. People
need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about Apple
here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
James
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>bashing???
>
>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is) based
>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it seems
>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>
>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a balanced
>attitude, give it a rest.
>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
if
>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>
>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS?
I
>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a Mac
>reseller by chance?
>
>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
on.
>There's more to life, and computer technology
>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
>hurting your argument, not
>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
and
>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>the crusade offline, please.
>
>Thanks,
>Dedric
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>
>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>
>> START READING!
>>
>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>
>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>>
>>>people with
>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>>
>>>> practices.
>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>> forget
>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it is,
yet you still don't see it or get it.
Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's about
your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There are
other forums
that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
This used to be a great forum....
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:461548a3$1@linux...
> There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple. People
> need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
> Apple
> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>
> If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>
> James
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>
>>bashing???
>>
>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is)
>>based
>
>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it
>>seems
>
>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>
>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>>
>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a balanced
>
>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>
>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
> if
>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>
>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS?
> I
>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a Mac
>
>>reseller by chance?
>>
>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
> on.
>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
>
>>hurting your argument, not
>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
> and
>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>the crusade offline, please.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dedric
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>
>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>
>>> START READING!
>>>
>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>
>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>>>
>>>>people with
>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>>>
>>>>> practices.
>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>>> forget
>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Steve,
The differences between LE, SE, SL, SX, and the "4" versions are
huge... the answers you got were valid for the versions the
respondents are used to... but the settings and menus are completely
different for each version. I sincerely doubt anyone here has
actually opened up LE. I pointed you to the manuals because that is
the easiest and fastest way to get the correct answer for your
version... I could have read page 65 of the Getting Started manual and
replied to you with the solution, but I thought I would point you to
the documentation so you could find the answers to other questions you
may have. My search for the LE documents took < 2 Minutes.
David.
Steve Cox wrote:
> David, I am honestly not trying to be a jerk. I just wanted one question answered.
> Either you guys feel like answering it, or you don't. Looks like the ones
> who don't keep telling me to RTFM. I am not interested in reading the manual.
> I have had years of troubles with dyslexia and imberrassingly have told you
> guys this. I have to read 3 words at a time backwards, then forwards, then
> compare the two, then carry on to the next 3-4 words. Typing this plea to
> you guys took about 10-15 minutes. I just thought that if I asked this simple
> question, I could count on that one of you might answer it as "Devices >
> VST Multitrack > Setup > ASIO Driver. I have never used Cubase before and
> don't intend to start now especially since it doesn't allow digital input.
> And lets not forget that there are a few of us die hard Paris-ites out there.
> Thanks' Steve
>
> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Read...
>>
>>ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Cubase_LE_1/Docs_English/
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>
>>>All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I
>
> am asking.
>
>>>Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in input,
>>>digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what
>
> you
>
>>>are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
>>>not midi.
>>>Steve
>
>If it recogniezs the digital inputs, then yes, it will allow you
to select them - now under "Devices", so you see a submenu item
called "VST Connections"? (This is what I was trying to ask you
before, when you chose not to help yourself by answering - I
don't have a Mac, nor Cubase for Mac, so I don't know if the
menus are identical!) If you DO see "VST connections", then THAT
is where you can choose which inputs on the card you can select
for each input buss in Cubase.
(but again, I don't have "LE", so I don't know if you have more
than one input buss as a choice in that version, either)
Nonetheless, what you're looking for should definitely be under
a submenu item called "VST connections" if it's the same as on
SX.
Neil
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>
>I found it... Devices > Device setup > VST Multitrack > Setup > ASIO > then
>I can select between Built-in, and analog in (card). Looks like Cubase doesn't
>allow digital in from the card? Is that correct??
>
>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I am
>asking.
>>Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in input,
>>digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what
you
>>are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
>>not midi.
>>Steve
>Thanks' David
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Steve,
>
>The differences between LE, SE, SL, SX, and the "4" versions are
>huge... the answers you got were valid for the versions the
>respondents are used to... but the settings and menus are completely
>different for each version. I sincerely doubt anyone here has
>actually opened up LE. I pointed you to the manuals because that is
>the easiest and fastest way to get the correct answer for your
>version... I could have read page 65 of the Getting Started manual and
>replied to you with the solution, but I thought I would point you to
>the documentation so you could find the answers to other questions you
>may have. My search for the LE documents took < 2 Minutes.
>
>David.
>
>Steve Cox wrote:
>
>> David, I am honestly not trying to be a jerk. I just wanted one question
answered.
>> Either you guys feel like answering it, or you don't. Looks like the ones
>> who don't keep telling me to RTFM. I am not interested in reading the
manual.
>> I have had years of troubles with dyslexia and imberrassingly have told
you
>> guys this. I have to read 3 words at a time backwards, then forwards,
then
>> compare the two, then carry on to the next 3-4 words. Typing this plea
to
>> you guys took about 10-15 minutes. I just thought that if I asked this
simple
>> question, I could count on that one of you might answer it as "Devices
>
>> VST Multitrack > Setup > ASIO Driver. I have never used Cubase before
and
>> don't intend to start now especially since it doesn't allow digital input.
>> And lets not forget that there are a few of us die hard Paris-ites out
there.
>> Thanks' Steve
>>
>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Read...
>>>
>>>ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Cubase_LE_1/Docs_English/
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>>All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I
>>
>> am asking.
>>
>>>>Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in
input,
>>>>digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what
>>
>> you
>>
>>>>are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio
and
>>>>not midi.
>>>>Steve
>>
>>Thanks' Niel
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>If it recogniezs the digital inputs, then yes, it will allow you
>to select them - now under "Devices", so you see a submenu item
>called "VST Connections"? (This is what I was trying to ask you
>before, when you chose not to help yourself by answering - I
>don't have a Mac, nor Cubase for Mac, so I don't know if the
>menus are identical!) If you DO see "VST connections", then THAT
>is where you can choose which inputs on the card you can select
>for each input buss in Cubase.
>(but again, I don't have "LE", so I don't know if you have more
>than one input buss as a choice in that version, either)
>
>Nonetheless, what you're looking for should definitely be under
>a submenu item called "VST connections" if it's the same as on
>SX.
>
>Neil
>
>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>I found it... Devices > Device setup > VST Multitrack > Setup > ASIO >
then
>>I can select between Built-in, and analog in (card). Looks like Cubase
doesn't
>>allow digital in from the card? Is that correct??
>>
>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I
am
>>asking.
>>>Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in input,
>>>digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what
>you
>>>are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
>>>not midi.
>>>Steve
>>
>Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say about
it.
James
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>
>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it is,
>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>
>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's about
>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There are
>other forums
>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>
>This used to be a great forum....
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>> There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple. People
>> need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>> Apple
>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>
>> If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>>
>>>bashing???
>>>
>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is)
>>>based
>>
>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it
>>>seems
>>
>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>>
>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>>>
>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a balanced
>>
>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>>
>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
>> if
>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>
>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS?
>> I
>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a
Mac
>>
>>>reseller by chance?
>>>
>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>> on.
>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
>>
>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
>> and
>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>
>>>> START READING!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>
>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>>>>
>>>>>people with
>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>>>>
>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>>>> forget
>>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Steve,
First, you have to select which audio device (under Devices - Device Setup -
VST Audio System - ASIO driver).
Then, under VST Connections, Inputs and Outputs, add busses and assign them
to whatever I/O is
available for that card. You can assign as many busses as your card has
I/O.
You may or may not see drivers for onboard audio in the Device setup. The
Revolution will probably show up as MME, but
it may have ASIO or WDM drivers. You'll be best with ASIO. MME is way too
slow to be useful for more than
light playback usually.
Hope that helps.
Dedric
"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:461540bb$1@linux...
>
> All of what you guys are telling me is still unfortunately not what I am
> asking.
> Spesifically, where in the software can you select between: Built in
> input,
> digital input (card) and analog input (card)?? All of the rest of what you
> are telling me isn't what I am asking. Also...we are recording audio and
> not midi.
> SteveMaybe if you tone down the Apple flag waving, people won't take shots
at you... ;-)
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say about
> it.
>
> James
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>
>>>here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>
>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it is,
>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>
>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's about
>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There are
>
>
>>other forums
>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>
>>This used to be a great forum....
>>Umm... where did I "bash" Macs? That article was about the differences in
charity giving between two
CEOs. You are the one that posted the subject "Microsoft Sues software
sellers", and many
other antagonistic anti-MS/PC posts, and insertions into other threads to
derail them into
a Mac vs. PC debate.
We normally discuss technical issues, pros and cons here and don't seem to
have a problem
coming to agreement on what is fact and what is opinion, and agreeing to
disagree... at least until now.
If you see that as bashing, then perhaps it's your defensiveness that needs
addressing.
It isn't your job to tell the rest of us what to say or think. This is your
move to make now James, not ours.
(Not that I can speak for the rest of the forum, but judging by some
responses you've gotten,
I think it's safe to say I'm not alone in my view on this).
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46154f13$1@linux...
>
> Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say about
> it.
>
> James
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>
>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it is,
>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>
>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's
>>about
>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There are
>
>>other forums
>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>
>>This used to be a great forum....
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>>> There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple.
>>> People
>>> need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>
>>> Apple
>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>
>>> If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>>>
>>>>bashing???
>>>>
>>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is)
>
>>>>based
>>>
>>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it
>
>>>>seems
>>>
>>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>>>
>>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>>>>
>>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a
>>>>balanced
>>>
>>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>>>
>>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
>>> if
>>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>>
>>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS?
>>> I
>>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a
> Mac
>>>
>>>>reseller by chance?
>>>>
>>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>>> on.
>>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are
>>>>only
>>>
>>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
>>> and
>>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>>
>>>>> START READING!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just
>>>>>>different
>>>>>
>>>>>>people with
>>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>
>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>While it's rare to see me on the same side as James on something like this,
the Gates Foundation makes me a little queasy. Keep in mind I work for what
is in essence a foundation--we manage a big pile of money for a non-profit
organization. It's just that we only give money to one 'charity' which happens
to be Yale University. Investing that much money is not an easy task, and
in many cases can do all sorts of odd things.
http://www.alternet.org/story/47713/
Second, the Gates Foundation has gone out of its way to defend intellectual
property rights, including generic drugs. Having just had some direct experience
with the effect that has on Thailand that issue is sort of close to me.
http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2006/06/27/gates_buffett/inde x.html
It's a little hard for me to believe that an organization funded by two billionaires
and being run almost exclusively by Gates family members could really claim
not to have some conflicts of interest when it came to an issue like generic
drug manufacture to enhance public health in the developing world. A group
like mine is lucky because we make money so that Yale can spend it and the
money we manage was donated to Yale so that Yale could spend it. No real
conflict there. But I think the Gates Foundation swims in much murkier waters,
even if I don't have James' 'Bill Gates banged my girlfriend in high school'
hatred of the fellow.
TCB
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>bashing???
>
>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is) based
>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it seems
>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>
>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a balanced
>attitude, give it a rest.
>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
if
>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>
>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS?
I
>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a Mac
>reseller by chance?
>
>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
on.
>There's more to life, and computer technology
>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are only
>hurting your argument, not
>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
and
>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>the crusade offline, please.
>
>Thanks,
>Dedric
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>
>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>
>> START READING!
>>
>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>
>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just different
>>
>>>people with
>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical business
>>
>>>> practices.
>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>> forget
>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Hey, fire way!
By the way Dave, how much time have you spent using Mac OS 9?
|
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80409 is a reply to message #80401] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 22:06 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
r />
>other antagonistic anti-MS/PC posts, and insertions into other threads to
>derail them into
>a Mac vs. PC debate.
>
>We normally discuss technical issues, pros and cons here and don't seem
to
>have a problem
>coming to agreement on what is fact and what is opinion, and agreeing to
>disagree... at least until now.
>
>If you see that as bashing, then perhaps it's your defensiveness that needs
>addressing.
>It isn't your job to tell the rest of us what to say or think. This is
your
>move to make now James, not ours.
>
>(Not that I can speak for the rest of the forum, but judging by some
>responses you've gotten,
>I think it's safe to say I'm not alone in my view on this).
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:46154f13$1@linux...
>>
>> Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say about
>> it.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>
>>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it
is,
>>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>>
>>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's
>>>about
>>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There
are
>>
>>>other forums
>>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>>
>>>This used to be a great forum....
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>>>> There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple.
>>>> People
>>>> need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>>
>>>> Apple
>>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>>>>
>>>>>bashing???
>>>>>
>>>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is)
>>
>>>>>based
>>>>
>>>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that
it
>>
>>>>>seems
>>>>
>>>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve
Jobs
>>>>
>>>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business
man.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a
>>>>>balanced
>>>>
>>>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>>>>
>>>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
>>>> if
>>>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against
MS?
>>>> I
>>>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you
a
>> Mac
>>>>
>>>>>reseller by chance?
>>>>>
>>>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>>>> on.
>>>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are
>>>>>only
>>>>
>>>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
>>>> and
>>>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> START READING!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just
>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>people with
>>>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical
>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and
to
>>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Dedric, you obviously want to make this personal, so I'll say it again, go
fuck yourself!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Dedric, no one asked you to butt in on this thread either. Dedric go
>fuck yourself!
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>Umm... where did I "bash" Macs? That article was about the differences
>in
>>charity giving between two
>>CEOs. You are the one that posted the subject "Microsoft Sues software
>
>>sellers", and many
>>other antagonistic anti-MS/PC posts, and insertions into other threads
to
>
>>derail them into
>>a Mac vs. PC debate.
>>
>>We normally discuss technical issues, pros and cons here and don't seem
>to
>>have a problem
>>coming to agreement on what is fact and what is opinion, and agreeing to
>
>>disagree... at least until now.
>>
>>If you see that as bashing, then perhaps it's your defensiveness that needs
>
>>addressing.
>>It isn't your job to tell the rest of us what to say or think. This is
>your
>>move to make now James, not ours.
>>
>>(Not that I can speak for the rest of the forum, but judging by some
>>responses you've gotten,
>>I think it's safe to say I'm not alone in my view on this).
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:46154f13$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say
about
>>> it.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>
>>>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it
>is,
>>>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>>>
>>>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's
>
>>>>about
>>>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There
>are
>>>
>>>>other forums
>>>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>>>
>>>>This used to be a great forum....
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>>>>> There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple.
>>>>> People
>>>>> need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>>>
>>>>> Apple
>>>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>>>>>
>>>>>>bashing???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it
is)
>>>
>>>>>>based
>>>>>
>>>>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that
>it
>>>
>>>>>>seems
>>>>>
>>>>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve
>Jobs
>>>>>
>>>>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business
>man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a
>>>>>>balanced
>>>>>
>>>>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>>>>>
>>>>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe
most
>>>>> if
>>>>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against
>MS?
>>>>> I
>>>>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you
>a
>>> Mac
>>>>>
>>>>>>reseller by chance?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>>>>> on.
>>>>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are
>
>>>>>>only
>>>>>
>>>>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you
like,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> START READING!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just
>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>people with
>>>>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical
>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and
>to
>>>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>James,
I like you, man, we've done business together, and ordinarily, you seem
like a good guy, but dude, I think you just got yourself banned...
Be the bigger man, walk away...
Larry
(Yeah, I butted in, too...)
James McCloskey wrote:
> Hey Dedric, no one asked you to butt in on this thread either. Dedric go
> fuck yourself!
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>
>>Umm... where did I "bash" Macs? That article was about the differences
>
> in
>
>>charity giving between two
>>CEOs. You are the one that posted the subject "Microsoft Sues software
>
>
>>sellers", and many
>>other antagonistic anti-MS/PC posts, and insertions into other threads to
>
>
>>derail them into
>>a Mac vs. PC debate.
>>
>>We normally discuss technical issues, pros and cons here and don't seem
>
> to
>
>>have a problem
>>coming to agreement on what is fact and what is opinion, and agreeing to
>
>
>>disagree... at least until now.
>>
>>If you see that as bashing, then perhaps it's your defensiveness that needs
>
>
>>addressing.
>>It isn't your job to tell the rest of us what to say or think. This is
>
> your
>
>>move to make now James, not ours.
>>
>>(Not that I can speak for the rest of the forum, but judging by some
>>responses you've gotten,
>>I think it's safe to say I'm not alone in my view on this).
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:46154f13$1@linux...
>>
>>>Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say about
>>>it.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>
>>>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it
>
> is,
>
>>>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>>>
>>>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's
>
>
>>>>about
>>>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There
>
> are
>
>>>>other forums
>>>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>>>
>>>>This used to be a great forum....
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple.
>>>>>People
>>>>>need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>>>
>>>>>Apple
>>>>>here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>>>>>
>>>>>>bashing???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is)
>>>
>>>>>>based
>>>>>
>>>>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that
>
> it
>
>>>>>>seems
>>>>>
>>>>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve
>
> Jobs
>
>>>>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>>>
>>>>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business
>
> man.
>
>>>>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a
>>>>>>balanced
>>>>>
>>>>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>>>>>
>>>>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
>>>>>
>>>>>if
>>>>>
>>>>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against
>
> MS?
>
>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you
>
> a
>
>>>Mac
>>>
>>>>>>reseller by chance?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>>>>>
>>>>>on.
>>>>>
>>>>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are
>
>
>>>>>>only
>>>>>
>>>>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>START READING!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just
>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>people with
>>>>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical
>>>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>practices.
>>>>>>>>>They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>>forget
>>>>>>>>>what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Hehehe... the closest thing to OS9 I've used is the new MACPro sitting
ontop of our HD3 rig...
Before that 7.2 was the last MAC OS I have used.
I'm not bashing MAC's at all... I have owned several MAC's, but you
seem to enjoy bashing PC's...
:-)
David.
James McCloskey wrote:
> Hey, fire way!
>
> By the way Dave, how much time have you spent using Mac OS 9?
>
> It funny how all you PC dealers, that make your negative comments about Macs
> and Apple are all going to start carrying Apple products now?
>
> Who's next???
>did I ever tell the story about the time my Mac caught on fire?
;oD
(ducking for cover)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46154f13$1@linux...
>
> Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say about
> it.
>
> James
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>
>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it is,
>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>
>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's
>>about
>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There are
>
>>other forums
>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>
>>This used to be a great forum....
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>>> There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple.
>>> People
>>> need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>
>>> Apple
>>> here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>
>>> If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts aren't
>>>
>>>>bashing???
>>>>
>>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it is)
>
>>>>based
>>>
>>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that it
>
>>>>seems
>>>
>>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve Jobs
>>>
>>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business man.
>>>>
>>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a
>>>>balanced
>>>
>>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill Gates
>>>
>>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe most
>>> if
>>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>>
>>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against MS?
>>> I
>>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you a
> Mac
>>>
>>>>reseller by chance?
>>>>
>>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>>> on.
>>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are
>>>>only
>>>
>>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you like,
>>> and
>>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>>
>>>>> START READING!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just
>>>>>>different
>>>>>
>>>>>>people with
>>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>
>>>>>>> practices.
>>>>>>> They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and to
>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>> what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>But I think the Gates Foundation swims in much murkier waters,
>even if I don't have James' 'Bill Gates banged my girlfriend in high school'
>hatred of the fellow.
Shhhh... that was SSC in glasses... Made him look just like Gates...
There is no reason to get defensive about gear, folks...
I sit here every day and watch OSX scramble the desktop around
a bit different every time I open it. Some folders don't open
and populate on the first try! Oh, and the laptop is still
referencing to the wrong time... All I have to do is buy the new
OS to get the RIGHT BLEEDING TIME on my computer....
Rubbish...
And don't even start me on the damn Dell out in my wife's
office... Did you ever think that Norton Antivirus is itself a
VIRUS?? It imposes a huge tax on performance at all times,
takes too damn long to load at bootup, regularly downloads
stupid parental-control lists before I can get to work, and must
be constantly updated to keep the box from turning into an
advert-zombie, not to mention the constant vigilance
of keeping up the anti-spyware app and running it because
Gates lets any dildo who feels like it jam stuff into
your registry...
Oh, and have you done a system scan with Norton recently?
Do you have the time?
As you all know, there's lots more...
Folks getting into a fight over computers is as stupid as the
yahoos out here with the little piss-boy on the back of their
trucks... The guys with the Ford trucks have the boy pissing
on Chevy or Dodge, and of course, the others guys have
piss boy peeing on the other brands...
It's flippin' retarded.
I am thinking of writing a tune called
"Everyone's Peeing on Someone"
(subtitled "Welcome to California")
Think Ramones...
Don't fight about computers....
It ain't worth it. No one cares.
DCNot a chance Larry. Dedric has stated here that he is intentionally going
out of his way to screw with me. He has made this personal. He doesn't
need to jump on my threads and start shit with me. Everybody else say what
ever they want, when they want and it's Ok. I'll cool it on any PC gates
Bashing, if that's what you guys want to call it.
James
Larry Upton <lupton@kpbs.org> wrote:
>James,
>
>I like you, man, we've done business together, and ordinarily, you seem
>like a good guy, but dude, I think you just got yourself banned...
>
>Be the bigger man, walk away...
>
>Larry
>
>(Yeah, I butted in, too...)
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> Hey Dedric, no one asked you to butt in on this thread either. Dedric
go
>> fuck yourself!
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Umm... where did I "bash" Macs? That article was about the differences
>>
>> in
>>
>>>charity giving between two
>>>CEOs. You are the one that posted the subject "Microsoft Sues software
>>
>>
>>>sellers", and many
>>>other antagonistic anti-MS/PC posts, and insertions into other threads
to
>>
>>
>>>derail them into
>>>a Mac vs. PC debate.
>>>
>>>We normally discuss technical issues, pros and cons here and don't seem
>>
>> to
>>
>>>have a problem
>>>coming to agreement on what is fact and what is opinion, and agreeing
to
>>
>>
>>>disagree... at least until now.
>>>
>>>If you see that as bashing, then perhaps it's your defensiveness that
needs
>>
>>
>>>addressing.
>>>It isn't your job to tell the rest of us what to say or think. This is
>>
>> your
>>
>>>move to make now James, not ours.
>>>
>>>(Not that I can speak for the rest of the forum, but judging by some
>>>responses you've gotten,
>>>I think it's safe to say I'm not alone in my view on this).
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46154f13$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Like I said, lay off the Mac bashing and I won't have a thing to say
about
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>>
>>>>>So does the incessant and useless MS/Gates bashing, and that's all it
>>
>> is,
>>
>>>>>yet you still don't see it or get it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just calling a spade a spade James. This isn't about MS or Apple, it's
>>
>>
>>>>>about
>>>>>your posts, yet you still don't seem to get that, so I give up. There
>>
>> are
>>
>>>>>other forums
>>>>>that aren't hijacked daily by Mac zealots (or any zealot for that matter).
>>>>>
>>>>>This used to be a great forum....
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:461548a3$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>There are so many untruths that keep getting repeated about Apple.
>>>>>>People
>>>>>>need to get educated about the issue. If any thing is mentioned about
>>>>
>>>>>>Apple
>>>>>>here on the NG the bashing starts. That's getting old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you don't like me posting, then quite the Mac bashing!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And your posts aren't opinion and your Microsoft/Bill Gates posts
aren't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>bashing???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James - you are constantly pushing your opinion (and that's all it
is)
>>>>
>>>>>>>based
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>on what you *think* you know about these companies
>>>>>>>and frankly, most of here just don't care, other than the fact that
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>>>>seems
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to be taking up a significant part of this forum now.
>>>>>>>There is enough fact in the article for you to have seen that Steve
>>
>> Jobs
>>
>>>>>>>isn't a charitable saint (didn't make the $1M donation list
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>from two independant charity/giving studies) - he's just a business
>>
>> man.
>>
>>>>>>>Please, please, please, if you can't discuss your opinion with a
>>>>>>>balanced
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>attitude, give it a rest.
>>>>>>>Time to climb down off the Apple high horse and realize that Bill
Gates
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>isn't Satan, and Steve Jobs isn't Mother Theresa.
>>>>>>>These are companies making products to make a profit and I believe
most
>>>>>>
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>not all of us here understand that, other than you apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why do you have such an all-consuming chip on your shoulder against
>>
>> MS?
>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>don't have a problem with Macs or PCs, MS or Apple, but
>>>>>>>I'm also not in love with either one - neither is perfect. Are you
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>Mac
>>>>
>>>>>>>reseller by chance?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Start looking at the world around you without the Apple-colored glasses
>>>>>>
>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There's more to life, and computer technology
>>>>>>>than evangelizing the Apple mantra. We aren't buying it and you are
>>
>>
>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hurting your argument, not
>>>>>>>that it should be an argument to begin with. Buy and use what you
like,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>post all you want about Apple products, but leave
>>>>>>>the crusade offline, please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:461539ad$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This isn't balanced, this is opinion! This is a bashing!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You need to get educated on the real history of MS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>START READING!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.albion.com/microsoft/findings-21.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultofmac/2006/0 1/70072
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just a little balance of perspective. No conspiracies - just
>>>>>>>>>different
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>people with
>>>>>>>>>different personalities and personal goals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:46153119$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>They are just trying to cover up years and years of unethical
>>>>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>practices.
>>>>>>>>>>They are just trying to get people to think their good guys and
>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>>>>>>forget
>>>>>>>>>>what they have done. The truth is still the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Steve Jobs" <SJ@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Causes/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>did I ever tell the story about the time my Mac caught on fire?
>
>
>;oD
>(ducking for cover)
Was that the one where you tried to explain all the fire extinguisher
powder on the mobo to the nice man at the Genius Bar??
heh hehNow *this* is scary!!!
I Googled Calvin decals to see if I could find one of Calvin pissin' on a
Mac or PC and came across this forum:
http://www.f150online.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-20238.h tml
there's wierder shit crawlin around in people's heads than I really want to
think about these days.......well, I guess if someone came up with a sticker
of a guy in a Paris T-shirt pissin on a ProTools rig, it might piss some
people off, but since most PT rigs I've seen run on Macs, you'd get a
*twofer*
;oP
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:46156028$1@linux...
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>But I think the Gates Foundation swims in much murkier waters,
>>even if I don't have James' 'Bill Gates banged my girlfriend in high
>>school'
>>hatred of the fellow.
>
> Shhhh... that was SSC in glasses... Made him look just like Gates...
>
>
> There is no reason to get defensive about gear, folks...
>
> I sit here every day and watch OSX scramble the desktop around
> a bit different every time I open it. Some folders don't open
> and populate on the first try! Oh, and the laptop is still
> referencing to the wrong time... All I have to do is buy the new
> OS to get the RIGHT BLEEDING TIME on my computer....
>
> Rubbish...
>
> And don't even start me on the damn Dell out in my wife's
> office... Did you ever think that Norton Antivirus is itself a
> VIRUS?? It imposes a huge tax on performance at all times,
> takes too damn long to load at bootup, regularly downloads
> stupid parental-control lists before I can get to work, and must
> be constantly updated to keep the box from turning into an
> advert-zombie, not to mention the constant vigilance
> of keeping up the anti-spyware app and running it because
> Gates lets any dildo who feels like it jam stuff into
> your registry...
>
> Oh, and have you done a system scan with Norton recently?
>
> Do you have the time?
>
> As you all know, there's lots more...
>
>
> Folks getting into a fight over computers is as stupid as the
> yahoos out here with the little piss-boy on the back of their
> trucks... The guys with the Ford trucks have the boy pissing
> on Chevy or Dodge, and of course, the others guys have
> piss boy peeing on the other brands...
>
> It's flippi
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