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| Paris and Creamware Setup insight (saving Paris ! ) [message #74148] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 07:54  |
Dimitrios
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y thing we have to fear is fear itself" FDR in another context.
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>> At any rate, it would be inaccurate to imply that anyone who doesn't agree
>> with a particular course of action is blind, deaf and dumb to potential
>> threats. Not a true nor useful characterization. Divisive at best. And
>> dividing ourselves IS one road to defeat.
>>
>> It's important to recognize what hasn't worked, to be open to better
>> ideas. So we can, together, find solutions that help our country and our
>> planet achieve peace.
>>
>> The first step toward getting out of a hole is to stop digging. That may
>> be one message of this election.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45541a10@linux...
>>>> Sure, I hope you're wrong, too, Deej. Like me, you've been wrong before
>>>> so there's reason to hope. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> The prediction that we will be attacked again has been made many times
>>>> before this election. And if/when we are attacked next it will probably
>>>> have been planned before this election.
>>>>
>>>> But should it happen I'm sure a lot of cable TV blatherers will tell you
>>>> it's the fault of this election anyway. Flawed logic is still logic and
>>>> there's no goat like a scapegoat when the blatherers don't want to face
>>>> the possibility of other causes, like poorly considered policy and
>>>> action by whoever's not being scapegoated.
>>>>
>>>> We've suffered al-Qaeda attacks under both Democratic and Republican
>>>> presidents. Worse under Republicans with 9/11, but go ahead and blame
>>>> BOTH the Clinton and Bush Jr. administrations, or if it really makes you
>>>> feel better, just blame Clinton and give Bush a pass.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I can blame foreign policy back at least to WWI for
>>>> contributing to the setup of this situation. So IMO there's plenty of
>>>> blame to go around through many administrations in both major parties -
>>>> for those times we're in a blaming mood.
>>>>
>>>> For those times when we can get BEYOND being in a blaming mood, the
>>>> assumption that one party or another is eager to invite attack is
>>>> presumptuous. Surely there are at least a few real patriots left in BOTH
>>>> major parties AND the minor parties.
>>>>
>>>> There are different ways to attempt to meet any threat, diffuse the
>>>> threat and find solutions for any situation. Maybe, just maybe, we'll
>>>> get some further options on the table now to meet this threat, and
>>>> maybe, just maybe, they'll work better than the current approach which
>>>> has hardly been flawless.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever we do, let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated by
>>>> terrorists into strutting around acting like overcompensating insecure
>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed
>>>> abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe, just
>>>> maybe, we're better than that.
>>>>
>>>> The best way to be strong is to come together, work together and choose
>>>> from the widest array of effective options.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a
>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is not
>>>>>> smart enough
>>>>> to be running foreign policy.<
>>>>>
>>>>> perception of weakenss is invitation to attack, plain and simple and we
>>>>> are now (especially now) perceived as weak and undecided. I'm
>>>>> predicting that we are going to be catastrophically attacked soon and
>>>>> that it will come as a result iof an intelligence failure due to
>>>>> democrats restricting the ability of the NSA to wiretap. I hope I'm
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45538a31@linux...
>>>>>> I'm referring to any US leader who bases their policy on pleasing or
>>>>>> not pleasing terrorists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a
>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is not
>>>>>> smart enough to be running foreign pol
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| Re: Paris and Creamware Setup insight (saving Paris ! ) [message #74152 is a reply to message #74148] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 08:20  |
animix
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| Re: Paris and Creamware Setup insight (saving Paris ! ) [message #74161 is a reply to message #74153] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 09:28 |
Dimitrios
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t and a large arms
>> industry is new in the American experience. The total influence-economic,
>> political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every state house, every
>> office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for
>> this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave
>> implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is
>> the very structure of our society.
>>
>> In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
>> unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
>> military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
>> misplaced power exists and will persist.
>>
>> We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or
>> democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and
>> knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial
>> and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so
>> that security and liberty may prosper together."
>>
>>
>>
>>>> At any rate, it would be inaccurate to imply that anyone who doesn't
>>>> agree with a particular course of action is blind, deaf and dumb to
>>>> potential threats. <
>> OK, we agree on that, right?
>>
>>
>>> It would be inaccurate to imply that wars have not *always* required
>>> great sacrifices from the citizenry of the respective combatants.
>> Right, no one has advocated a sacrifice-free response in this thread.
>> Although our current president and congress have actively worked to make
>> it seem like little sacrifice has been required by, for the first time in
>> history (correct me if I'm wrong), cutting taxes in time of war. Of course
>> this only delays the sacrifice a generation or two.
>>
>> We should, however, be very aware and careful to not sacrifice the essence
>> of American freedom and human rights to the altar of terrorism.
>>
>>
>>>> Not a true nor useful characterization. Divisive at
>>> best. And dividing ourselves IS one road to defeat.<
>>>
>>> I agree 100%. It seems that half the folks in this country believe we are
>>> in
>> Then we can be united despite our differences. Like a composite material
>> with fibers in different layers running in different directions we can be
>> bonded together, stronger for our union. :^)
>>
>> IOW, it's OK that we sometimes think differently, as long as we listen to
>> each other, respect each other and can consider each other's viewpoints.
>> We can draw on all of our strengths to innovate workable solutions.
>>
>>
>>> a war, the other half don't. This is a sure recipe for disaster,
>>> especially in a war with an enemy who uses our own laws against us. To
>>> ignore this in an era where one person with a bomb can wipe out an entire
>>> city is a recipe for disaster on an unimaginable scale.
>> The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We must defend BOTH against a
>> crafty enemy AND against those who would sacrifice the ideals and freedoms
>> of our country. We must not lose the war in order to win the battle. And
>> we must not lose that battle.
>>
>> We must choose paths that serve both our citizens and the people of the
>> world, not those that best serve the military industrial complexes of the
>> world's nations, nor the short term interests of short-sighted
>> international corporations, nor the power ambitions of a any obsessive
>> wannabe despots. This will take leadership in a style not seen for quite a
>> while in these parts.
>>
>> Fear-based thinking on either side of a conflict props up illegitimate
>> power.
>>
>> This is among the top dangers of major aspects of our current course.
>> While trying to appear "not weak" we run the risk of making it easy for
>> those against us to use our missteps, missed opportunities and
>> overreactions to literally scare up more and more followers.
>>
>> As part of a well considered and comprehensive defense, we must interrupt
>> this dynamic. To not do so would be to fight with one arm tied behind our
>> back.
>>
>> We need to think very long term, we need to look at alleviating root
>> causes of conflict and we need to consider the best interests of the
>> nations and citizens involved. As long as we don't, we are fighting
>> without a complete defense and we are in danger of blundering into trap
>> after trap, draining our resources and weakening our position.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45544bcc@linux...
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> Jamie wrote:
>>>>>> like overcompensating insecure
>>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed
>>>>> abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe, just
>>>>> maybe, we're better than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> and a healthy fear of a real threat will keep you alive whereas you can
>>>>> die by living in the fantasy world of an idealistic anachronism, or you
>>>>> can face reality, deal with it for the time being and have something
>>>>> left to argue over once the dust clears.
>>>> Those are two of many choices. Black and white in a multi-colored world.
>>>>
>>>> Concern and awareness are useful when focused to motivate planning and
>>>> forethought that translates into appropriate action, no dispute from me
>>>> on that. You can call that "healthy fear" if you like, at the risk of
>>>> confusing it with unhealthy fear.
>>>>
>>>> It's dangerously possible, through fear, to react with insufficient
>>>> thought and understanding, and make a bad situation worse.
>>>>
>>>> Ask a military planner. Fear is the path to panic, not the basis for
>>>> sound policy or strategy. Ask any dictator, fear is an effective way to
>>>> enslave.
>>>>
>>>> "...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" FDR in another
>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, it would be inaccurate to imply that anyone who doesn't
>>>> agree with a particular course of action is blind, deaf and dumb to
>>>> potential threats. Not a true nor useful characterization. Divisive at
>>>> best. And dividing ourselves IS one road to defeat.
>>>>
>>>> It's important to recognize what hasn't worked, to be open to better
>>>> ideas. So we can, together, find solutions that help our country and our
>>>> planet achieve peace.
>>>>
>>>> The first step toward getting out of a hole is to stop digging. That may
>>>> be one message of this election.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
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| Re: Paris and Creamware Setup insight (saving Paris ! ) [message #74162 is a reply to message #74157] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 09:32 |
Dimitrios
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-Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45541a10@linux...
>>>>>> Sure, I hope you're wrong, too, Deej. Like me, you've been wrong
>>>>>> before so there's reason to hope. ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The prediction that we will be attacked again has been made many times
>>>>>> before this election. And if/when we are attacked next it will
>>>>>> probably have been planned before this election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But should it happen I'm sure a lot of cable TV blatherers will tell
>>>>>> you it's the fault of this election anyway. Flawed logic is still
>>>>>> logic and there's no goat like a scapegoat when the blatherers don't
>>>>>> want to face the possibility of other causes, like poorly considered
>>>>>> policy and action by whoever's not being scapegoated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've suffered al-Qaeda attacks under both Democratic and Republican
>>>>>> presidents. Worse under Republicans with 9/11, but go ahead and blame
>>>>>> BOTH the Clinton and Bush Jr. administrations, or if it really makes
>>>>>> you feel better, just blame Clinton and give Bush a pass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I can blame foreign policy back at least to WWI for
>>>>>> contributing to the setup of this situation. So IMO there's plenty of
>>>>>> blame to go around through many administrations in both major
>>>>>> parties - for those times we're in a blaming mood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those times when we can get BEYOND being in a blaming mood, the
>>>>>> assumption that one party or another is eager to invite attack is
>>>>>> presumptuous. Surely there are at least a few real patriots left in
>>>>>> BOTH major parties AND the minor parties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are different ways to attempt to meet any threat, diffuse the
>>>>>> threat and find solutions for any situation. Maybe, just maybe, we'll
>>>>>> get some further options on the table now to meet this threat, and
>>>>>> maybe, just maybe, they'll work better than the current approach which
>>>>>> has hardly been flawless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever we do, let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated by
>>>>>> terrorists into strutting around acting like overcompensating insecure
>>>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty
>>>>>> eyed abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe,
>>>>>> just maybe, we're better than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best way to be strong is to come together, work together and
>>>>>> choose from the widest array of effective options.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a
>>>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is
>>>>>>>> not smart enough
>>>>>>> to be running foreign policy.<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> perception of weakenss is invitation to attack, plain and simple and
>>>>>>> we are now (especially now) perceived as weak and undecided. I'm
>>>>>>> predicting that we are going to be catastrophically attacked soon and
>>>>>>> that it will come as a result iof an intelligence failure due to
>>>>>>> democrats restricting the ability of the NSA to wiretap. I hope I'm
>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:45538a31@linux...
>>>>>>>> I'm referring to any US leader who bases their policy on pleasing or
>>>>>>>> not pleasing terrorists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a
>>>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is
>>>>>>>> not smart enough to be running foreign policy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In individual cases it may or may not make sense to employ diplomacy
>>>>>>>> and negotiation. That judgment cannot be wisely made by anyone who
>>>>>>>> lets themselves be controlled by knee-jerk thinking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:455374c4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
>>>>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you referring to those few wacky terroists who killed over
>>>>>>>>> 3,000 innocent people in the World Trade Centers, crashed a jumbo
>>>>>>>>> jet into our Pentagon, and, but for the extreme courage of some
>>>>>>>>> passengers, almost flew a jumbo jet into our White House or Capital
>>>>>>>>> Building? Those wacky terroists? Maybe it's that wacky president
>>>>>>>>> over in Iran who wants to "wipe Isreal from the face of the
>>>>>>>>> planet". You know, the one enriching all the uranium. I disagree
>>>>>>>>> with plenty of the Republicans and the Presidents actions,
>>>>>>>>> policies, etc., but being tough with terroists is one area we can't
>>>>>>>>> waiver. These people want to kill us. I'm affraid nothing short of
>>>>>>>>> a few smuggled in soviet nukes going off is going to make this
>>>>>>>>> clear to people. Too bad it'll be too late at that point. Sorry for
>>>>>>>>> the drama, but this one thing more than any other scares me sick.
>>>>>>>>&g
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| Re: Paris and Creamware Setup insight (saving Paris ! ) [message #74163 is a reply to message #74152] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 09:41 |
Don Nafe
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>>>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up
>>>>>>>>>>> with trillions
>>>>>>>>>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that
>>>>>>>>>>> vaulted them into the position they are in nowadays?
>>>>>>>>>> Nixon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we need a constant flow of mideast
>>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep our economy going.<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized
>>>>>>>>>>> this back when we had the time to di something about it,
>>>>>>>>>> Carter did, but we voted him out and effectively pretended there
>>>>>>>>>> was no problem with our oil dependency for the next 22 years
>>>>>>>>>> (Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gore probably would have tried to do something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> especially upon having had ward publicly declared on this country
>>>>>>>>>>> by Al Qaeda. So what are we going to do? Are the Democrats going
>>>>>>>>>>> to solve this? In order to do so, we need to become energy
>>>>>>>>>>> independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when all
>>>>>>>>>>> domestic energy options other than drilling for oil in old,
>>>>>>>>>>> depleted oil and gas reservoirs here are off the table whereas
>>>>>>>>>>> solutions that *are proven* could bring this about within the
>>>>>>>>>>> next 5 years are off the table?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our
>>>>>>>>>>> economy is 15 years away, at least. We don't have 15
>>>>>>>>>>> years...especially with a party in power that is willing to
>>>>>>>>>>> negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign of weakness.
>>>>>>>>>>> They will be encouraged by this.
>>>>>>>>>> Energy policy needs immediate attention. And some amount of time
>>>>>>>>>> for better policies to help, as you say.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
>>>>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DJ
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:4553565b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good economy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not effective,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a half
>>>>>>>>>>>> old. The numbers are much worse now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up
>>>>>>>>>>>> with trillions
>>>>>>>>>>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we have
>>>>>>>>>>>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of
>>>>>>>>>>>> mideast
>>>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>> danger of
>>>>>>>>>>>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
>>>>>>>>>>>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on
>>>>>>>>>>>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Bush years.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Halliburton.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion
>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is
>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively taking
>>>>>>>>>>>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United
>>>>>>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush
>>>>>>>>>>>> with savings,
>>>>>>>>>>>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year,
>>>>>>>>>>>> even though
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rest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing
>>>>>>>>>>>> value. More than
>>>>>>>>>>>> any other nation in history, the United States depends,
>>>>>>>>>>>> economically, on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the kindness of strangers."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Jeff,
Thanks! A step by step would be great since I've only done this a few =
times
with varying results. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
Tom
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message =
news:4554cd42@linux...
Tom,
Crosover cable should be fine. Just make sure on each computer you=20
force the configuration rather than let it "auto detect". You'll find =
this by going to the network control panel. If you're using IP, =
you'll=20
have to manually set the ip address and make sure they're on the same=20
subnet.
Let me know if you need a specific example.
Jeff
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Heil,
> No wireless for me. Just a crossover cable from one ethernet jack =
to the next.
> LAN as I understand it is the network via wired or wireless.
>=20
> That's about all I know except speed of the ethernet card in each =
computer.
> Tom
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4554a417$1@linux...
>=20
> Are you guys talking about WIRELESS networking of audio from one =
computer
> to another? (I'm a complete dunderhead when it comes to
> networking concepts, so pardon my ignorance.)
>=20
> Can you really do this?
>=20
> Neil
>=20
>=20
>=20
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Aaron,=3D20
> >That's the last step I'll be taking. and I was hoping you =
networkers =3D
> >might help me
> >with that. I was thinking the onboard LAN in the ASUS =
A8R-MVPcomp #2 =3D
> >would do to a=3D20
> >onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in comp #3. I think a crossover cable =
should =3D
> >do since
> >I'm not on the internet with any of my music rigs.
> >
> >Aaron is there a speed/functionality issue with this? Remember =
'simple'
> =3D
> >is good for me
> >as long as it works.
> >Tom
> >
> > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =3D
> >news:45549ea7@linux...
> > What protocol/type of interface are you using for your =
networking?
> > AA
> >
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D
> >news:45542b13$1@linux...
> > Hey guys,
> > I am no match for DJ when it comes to this but I am pursuing =
a =3D
> >controllable version of a monster setup.
> >
> > I have a master plan that is as simple as I can figure to =
pump Paris
> =3D
> >full of real-time processing juice. =3D20
> > Here it is.
> >
> > Comp #1: Paris is running very well on a XP P4 3.0 and all =
the =3D
> >goodies. 2 active
> > ADAT cards along with 32 A-D, D-As, two =
SPDIFS and a
> =3D
> >UAD-1 stocked for good measure.
> >
> > Comp #2: Cubase Studio 4 on my new AMD 4800+ Dualcore with =
=3D
> >Creamware
> > 14 chip Pro card with 20 In/out and Delta 66 =
w/4 x =3D
> >A-D, D-As and one SPDIF in/out,=3D20
> > FX-Teleport Host to comp below linked by =
100mbps =3D
> >LAN.
> >
> > Comp #3: Spare AMD 3000+ waiting for a FX-Teleport Client =
link to =3D
> >Cubase comp #2
> > via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the =
slack =3D
> >for the Cubase rig if need be.
> >
> > My application is for heavy use of Kontakt, multiple =
softsynths and
> =3D
> >surely Creamware plugs of all sorts. =3D20
> > Music styles ranging from rock, heavy synth, orchestral and =
=3D
> >sometimes in between all of those.
> >
> > My goal is to have solid/stable performance by not abusing =
any one =3D
> >computer in the network.
> > Also to maintain an almost unlimited amount of close to =
real-time =3D
> >processing power throughout.
> >
> > I am looking into Windows Remote Desktop to help with =3D
> >monitor/keyboard assignments.
> > I expect to have 4 monitors and two keyboard/mice combos with =
one =3D
> >KVM between comp 1 & 2.
> > I'm about 2 monitors, a Matrox Triple Head 2 Go and Kontakt =
away =3D
> >before I'm all the way there.
> >
> > Anyone see anything blatantly wrong with my design? I'm =
still =3D
> >Scoping it out!
> > Thanks for your input,
> > Tom=3D20
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Aaron, </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>That's the last step I'll be =
=3D
> >taking. =3D20
> > and I was hoping you networkers might help me</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>with that. I was thinking =
the =3D
> >onboard LAN in=3D20
> >the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp #2 would do to a </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in =
=3D
> ></FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20
> >size=3D3D2>comp #3. I think a crossover cable should do =3D
> >since</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm not on the internet with =
any of my
> =3D
> >music=3D20
> >rigs.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Aaron is there a =
speed/functionality =3D
> >issue with=3D20
> >this? Remember 'simple' is good for me</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>
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Mon, 16 October 2006 09:46 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm about 2 monitors, a =
Matrox =3D
> >Triple Head 2 Go=3D20
> > and Kontakt away before I'm all the way there.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Anyone see anything =
blatantly wrong
> =3D
> >with my=3D20
> > design? I'm still Scoping it out!</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your =3D
> >input,</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight =3D
> >spam, and=3D20
> > you?<BR><A=3D20
> > =3D
> =
>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
fer=3D
> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>=3D
> ></HTML>
> >
> >
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I've only done this a few times</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with varying results. Sometimes =
it works and=20
sometimes it doesn't.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Jeff hoover" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:4554cd42@linux">news:4554cd42@linux</A>...</DIV>Tom,<BR><BR>=
Crosover=20
cable should be fine. Just make sure on each computer you =
<BR>force the=20
configuration rather than let it "auto detect". You'll find =
<BR>this by=20
going to the network control panel. If you're using IP, you'll =
<BR>have=20
to manually set the ip address and make sure they're on the same=20
<BR>subnet.<BR><BR>Let me know if you need a specific=20
example.<BR><BR><BR>Jeff<BR><BR>Tom Bruhl wrote:<BR>> Heil,<BR>> =
No=20
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to the=20
next.<BR>> LAN as I understand it is the network via wired or=20
wireless.<BR>> <BR>> That's about all I know except speed of the =
ethernet card in each computer.<BR>> Tom<BR>> "Neil" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote in message =
<A=20
href=3D"news:4554a417$1@linux">news:4554a417$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=20
<BR>> Are you guys talking about WIRELESS networking of =
audio=20
from one computer<BR>> to another? (I'm a complete =
dunderhead=20
when it comes to<BR>> networking concepts, so pardon my =
ignorance.)<BR>> <BR>> Can you really do =
this?<BR>>=20
<BR>> Neil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> "Tom=20
Bruhl" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>> =20
>Aaron,=3D20<BR>> >That's the last step I'll be=20
taking. and I was hoping you networkers =
=3D<BR>> =20
>might help me<BR>> >with that. I was =
thinking the=20
onboard LAN in the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp #2 =3D<BR>> =
>would do to=20
a=3D20<BR>> >onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in comp =
#3. I=20
think a crossover cable should =3D<BR>> >do=20
since<BR>> >I'm not on the internet with any of my =
music=20
rigs.<BR>> ><BR>> >Aaron is there =
a=20
speed/functionality issue with this? Remember=20
'simple'<BR>> =3D<BR>> >is good for=20
me<BR>> >as long as it works.<BR>> =20
>Tom<BR>> ><BR>> > "Aaron =
Allen"=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>>=20
wrote in message =3D<BR>> =20
>news:45549ea7@linux...<BR>> > What =
protocol/type=20
of interface are you using for your networking?<BR>> =
> =20
AA<BR>> ><BR>> > =
"Tom=20
Bruhl" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote in message =3D<BR>> =20
>news:45542b13$1@linux...<BR>> =
> Hey=20
guys,<BR>> > I am no match for DJ =
when it=20
comes to this but I am pursuing a =3D<BR>> =
>controllable=20
version of a monster setup.<BR>> =
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>since</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm not on the internet =
with any of my
> > =3D
> > >music=3D20
> > >rigs.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Aaron is there a =
speed/functionality =3D
> > >issue with=3D20
> > >this? Remember 'simple' is good for me</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>as long as it =
works.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20
> > >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D
> > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > <DIV>"Aaron Allen" <<A=3D20
> > > =3D
> > =
>href=3D3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>> =
=3D
> > >wrote in=3D20
> > > message <A =3D
> > =
>href=3D3D"news:45549ea7@linux">news:45549ea7@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>What protocol/type of =
interface are =3D
> > >you using for=3D20
> > > your networking?</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>AA<BR></FONT></DIV>
> > > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20
> > > style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D
> > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> > > =
href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =3D
> > >wrote in=3D20
> > > message <A =3D
> > =
>href=3D3D"news:45542b13$1@linux">news:45542b13$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hey =
guys,</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am no match for DJ =
when it comes
> > =3D
> > >to this but=3D20
> > > I am pursuing a controllable version of a monster =3D
> > >setup.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have a master plan =
that is as =3D
> > >simple as I can=3D20
> > > figure to pump Paris full </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>of =3D
> > >real-time=3D20
> > > processing juice. </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here it =
is.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Comp #1: Paris is =
running =3D
> > >very well on a=3D20
> > > XP P4 3.0 and all the goodies. 2 active</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > > =3D
> > >size=3D3D2> &nbs=3D
> > >p; =3D20
> > > ADAT cards along with 32 A-D, D-As, two SPDIFS and a =
UAD-1 stocked =3D
> > >for=3D20
> > > good measure.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Comp #2: Cubase =
Studio 4 on =3D
> > >my new AMD=3D20
> > > 4800+ Dualcore with Creamware</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > > =3D
> > >size=3D3D2> &nbs=3D
> > >p; 14=3D20
> > > chip Pro card with 20 In/out and Delta 66 w/4 x A-D, =3D
> > >D-As=3D20
> > > and one SPDIF in/out, </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > > =3D
> > >size=3D3D2> &nbs=3D
> > >p; =3D20
> > > FX-Teleport Host to comp below</FONT><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > > size=3D3D2> linked by 100mbps LAN.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Comp #3: Spare AMD =
3000+ =3D
> > >waiting for a=3D20
> > > FX-Teleport Client link to Cubase comp #2</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > > =3D
> > >size=3D3D2> &nbs=3D
> > >p; =3D20
> > > via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the slack for the =
=3D
> > >Cubase=3D20
> > > rig if need be.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My application is =
for heavy use of
> > =3D
> > >Kontakt,=3D20
> > > multiple softsynths and surely Creamware </FONT><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > > size=3D3D2>plugs of all sorts. </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Music styles ranging =
from rock, =3D
> > >heavy synth,=3D20
> > > orchestral and sometimes </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>in =3D
> > >between all=3D20
> > > of those.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My goal is to have =
solid/stable =3D
> > >performance by=3D20
> > > not abusing any one computer in the network.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Also to maintain an =
almost =3D
> > >unlimited amount of=3D20
> > > close to real-time processing power </FONT><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > > size=3D3D2>throughout.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am looking into =
Windows Remote =3D
> > >Desktop to=3D20
> > > help with monitor/keyboard assignments.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I expect to have 4 =
monitors and two
> > =3D
> > >
> > > keyboard/mice combos with one KVM between comp 1 & =3D
> > >2.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm about 2 =
monitors, a Matrox =3D
> > >Triple Head 2 Go=3D20
> > > and Kontakt away before I'm all the way =
there.</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Anyone see anything =
blatantly wrong
> > =3D
> > >with my=3D20
> > > design? I'm still Scoping it out!</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your =3D
> > >input,</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft
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> </FONT><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>in =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>between=3D20
> all=3D3D20<BR>> of=3D20
> those.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D
><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D
></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>My goal is to have =3D
>solid/stable=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>performance by=3D3D20<BR>> not abusing =3D
>any one=3D20
> computer in the =3D
>network.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Also to maintain an =3D
>almost=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>unlimited amount of=3D3D20<BR>> close to =3D
>real-time=3D20
> processing power </FONT><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> =3D
>size=3D3D3D2>throughout.</FONT></DIV><BR>> &nb=3D
>sp;=3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20
> </DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>I am looking into Windows Remote =
=3D3D<BR>>Desktop=3D20
> to=3D3D20<BR>> help with monitor/keyboard=3D20
> assignments.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I expect to have 4 =3D
>monitors and=3D20
> two<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> keyboard/mice combos with =3D
>one KVM=3D20
> between comp 1 &=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>2.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm about 2 monitors, =
=3D
>a Matrox=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>Triple Head 2 Go=3D3D20<BR>> and Kontakt =3D
>away before=3D20
> I'm all the way =3D
>there.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20
> </DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>Anyone see anything blatantly =
wrong<BR>=3D3D<BR>>with=3D20
> my=3D3D20<BR>> design? I'm still Scoping it=3D20
> out!</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D
><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Thanks for your=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>input,</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom=3D20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D
><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D
></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20
> </DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>spam, and=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> you?<BR><A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
fer=3D
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>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=3D=
>>=3D3D<BR>>.html</A>=3D20
> =3D
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wooohooo!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Got my Creamware Pro card sitting right =
here!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Might try an install before I leave on=20
Sunday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:4554d5ec@linux">news:4554d5ec@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Neil,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I haven't done this yet but =
FX-Teleport is the=20
mothership here. The plugins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and softsynths will need to reside in =
the=20
'client' comp to be accessed from</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the Host. FXT says the presets =
and all=20
relevant data is saved within the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>host. It's a wrapper that =
assigns the VST=20
plugins to the LAN connection</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>from one VST location to the =
other. I think=20
it can go bidirectional.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.fx-max.com/fxt/product.html">http://www.fx-max.com/fxt=
/product.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Neil" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4554c544$1@linux">news:4554c544$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>How =
does=20
the receiving computer's audio application know how to<BR>break up =
the data=20
stream? For example, let's say you're sending<BR>24 channels of =
audio=20
through your LAN card & cables from computer "A" to<BR>computer =
"B"...=20
how do you assign where the<BR>various channels are going once it =
gets to=20
computer "B"?<BR><BR>This is =
interesting.<BR><BR>Neil<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl"=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Heil,<BR>>No wireless for me. =
Just a=20
crossover cable from one ethernet jack to =3D<BR>>the =
next.<BR>>LAN as I=20
understand it is the network via wired or =
wireless.<BR>><BR>>That's=20
about all I know except speed of the ethernet card in each=20
=3D<BR>>computer.<BR>>Tom<BR>> "Neil" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4554a417$1@linux">news:4554a417$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
t; =20
Are you guys talking about WIRELESS networking of audio from one=20
=3D<BR>>computer<BR>> to another? (I'm a complete =
dunderhead when=20
it comes to<BR>> networking concepts, so pardon my=20
ignorance.)<BR>><BR>> Can you really do=20
this?<BR>><BR>> =
Neil<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "Tom=20
Bruhl" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =20
>Aaron,=3D3D20<BR>> >That's the last step I'll be=20
taking. and I was hoping you =3D<BR>>networkers=20
=3D3D<BR>> >might help me<BR>> >with =
that. I was=20
thinking the onboard LAN in the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp=20
#2<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >would do to =
a=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in comp #3. I think a crossover =
cable=20
=3D<BR>>should =3D3D<BR>> >do since<BR>> =
>I'm not on=20
the internet with any of my music rigs.<BR>> =
><BR>> =20
>Aaron is there a speed/functionality issue with this? =
Remember=20
=3D<BR>>'simple'<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> >is good =
for=20
me<BR>> >as long as it works.<BR>> =20
>Tom<BR>> ><BR>> > "Aaron Allen" =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>> =
wrote=20
in message =3D3D<BR>> =
>news:45549ea7@linux...<BR>> =20
> What protocol/type of interface are you using for your=20
networking?<BR>> > AA<BR>> =
><BR>> =20
> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message =3D3D<BR>> =
>news:45542b13$1@linux...<BR>> =20
> Hey guys,<BR>> =
> I am=20
no match for DJ when it comes to this but I am pursuing a=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >controllable version of a monster =
setup.<BR>> ><BR>> > I =
have a=20
master plan that is as simple as I can figure to pump=20
=3D<BR>>Paris<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> >full of =
real-time=20
processing juice. =3D3D20<BR>> > Here =
it=20
is.<BR>> ><BR>> > Comp =
#1: =20
Paris is running very well on a XP P4 3.0 and all the=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >goodies. 2 =
active<BR>> =20
=
> &a mp;nbsp; &a mp;nb=
sp; &nb sp; =20
ADAT cards along with 32 A-D, D-As, two SPDIFS =3D<BR>>and =
a<BR>> =20
=3D3D<BR>> >UAD-1 stocked for good =
measure.<BR>> =20
><BR>> > Comp #2: Cubase =
Studio 4 on=20
my new AMD 4800+ Dualcore with =3D3D<BR>> =
>Creamware<BR>> =20
=
> &a mp;nbsp; &a mp;nb=
sp; &nb sp; =20
14 chip Pro card with 20 In/out and Delta 66 w/4<BR>=3D<BR>>x=20
=3D3D<BR>> >A-D, D-As and one SPDIF =
in/out,=3D3D20<BR>> =20
=
> &a mp;nbsp; &a mp;nb=
sp; &nb sp; =20
FX-Teleport Host to comp below linked by=20
100mbps<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >LAN.<BR>> =20
><BR>> > Comp #3: Spare AMD =
3000+=20
waiting for a FX-Teleport Client link =3D<BR>>to =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>Cubase comp #2<BR>> =20
=
> &a mp;nbsp; &a mp;nb=
sp; &nb sp; =20
via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the=20
slack<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >for the Cubase rig if =
need=20
be.<BR>> ><BR>> > My =
application=20
is for heavy use
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Mon, 16 October 2006 18:40 |
excelav
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t="_blank">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arpegi=
o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >wrote in=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> message <A =3D3D<BR>> =
>href=3D3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:45542b13$1@linux">news:45542b13$1@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:45=
542b13$1@linux">news:45542b13$1@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>=
> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D2>Hey=20
guys,</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am no match =
for DJ when=20
it<BR>=3D<BR>>comes<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> >to this =
but=3D3D20<BR>> > I am pursuing a =
controllable=20
version of a monster =3D3D<BR>> =20
>setup.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I have a master plan that =
is<BR>=3D<BR>>as=20
=3D3D<BR>> >simple as I can=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> figure to pump Paris full =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial =3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>of =3D3D<BR>> =20
>real-time=3D3D20<BR>> > processing =
juice.=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Here it=20
is.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Comp #1: Paris is running=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >very well on =
a=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> XP P4 3.0 and all the goodies. 2=20
active</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
=3D3D<BR>> >size=3D3D3D2> &nbs=3D3D<BR>> =
>p;=20
=3D3D20<BR>> > ADAT cards along with =
32 A-D,=20
D-As, two SPDIFS and a UAD-1 =3D<BR>>stocked =3D3D<BR>> =20
>for=3D3D20<BR>> > good=20
measure.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Comp #2: Cubase Studio 4=20
on<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >my new =
AMD=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> 4800+ Dualcore with=20
Creamware</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
=3D3D<BR>> >size=3D3D3D2> &nbs=3D3D<BR>> =
>p;=20
14=3D3D20<BR>> > chip Pro card with 20 =
In/out=20
and Delta 66 w/4 x A-D, =3D3D<BR>> =
>D-As=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> and one SPDIF in/out,=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
=3D3D<BR>> >size=3D3D3D2> &nbs=3D3D<BR>> =
>p;=20
=3D3D20<BR>> > FX-Teleport Host to =
comp=20
below</FONT><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> size=3D3D3D2> linked by 100mbps=20
LAN.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Comp #3: Spare AMD 3000+ =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>waiting for a=3D3D20<BR>> > =
FX-Teleport=20
Client link to Cubase comp #2</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
> <DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>> >size=3D3D3D2>=20
&nbs=3D3D<BR>> >p; =3D3D20<BR>> =
> =20
via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the slack for the =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>Cubase=3D3D20<BR>> > rig if need=20
be.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>My application is for =
heavy<BR>=3D<BR>>use=20
of<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>Kontakt,=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> multiple softsynths and surely Creamware=20
</FONT><FONT =
=3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> size=3D3D3D2>plugs of all sorts.=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Music styles =
ranging from=20
=3D<BR>>rock, =3D3D<BR>> >heavy =
synth,=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> orchestral and sometimes =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial =3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>in =3D3D<BR>> =
>between=20
all=3D3D20<BR>> > of=20
those.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>My goal is to have =
=3D<BR>>solid/stable=20
=3D3D<BR>> >performance by=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> not abusing any one computer in the=20
network.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Also to =
maintain an almost=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >unlimited amount =
of=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> close to real-time processing power=20
</FONT><FONT =
=3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> =20
size=3D3D3D2>throughout.</FONT>< /DIV> <BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D2>I am=20
looking into Windows =3D<BR>>Remote =3D3D<BR>> =
>Desktop=20
to=3D3D20<BR>> > help with =
monitor/keyboard=20
assignments.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I expect to =
have 4=20
monitors<BR>=3D<BR>>and two<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =20
><BR>> > keyboard/mice combos with =
one KVM=20
between comp 1 & =3D3D<BR>> =20
>2.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm about 2 =
monitors, a=20
=3D<BR>>Matrox =3D3D<BR>> >Triple Head 2 =
Go=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> and Kontakt away before I'm all the way=20
there.</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Anyone see anything =
=3D<BR>>blatantly=20
wrong<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> >with =
my=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> design? I'm still Scoping it=20
out!</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Thanks for your =
=3D3D<BR>> =
>input,</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D2>Tom=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> > =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> > =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT=20
size=3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to=20
fight<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >spam, =
and=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> you?<BR><A=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>> =
=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re'>h=
ttp://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re</A>=3D<B=
R>>fer=3D3D<BR>> =20
>.html</A>=20
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Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>><META=20
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content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
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size=3D3D2>Heil,</FONT></DIV& ;gt; <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>No wireless for me. Just a =
=3D<BR>>crossover=20
cable=3D20<BR>>from one ethernet jack to the=20
next.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>LAN as I understand it is the network =3D<BR>>via =
wired=20
=
or=3D20<BR>>wireless.</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><F=
ONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>That's=20
about all I know except speed =
of<BR>=3D<BR>>the=3D20<BR>>ethernet card in=20
each computer.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>=
>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=20
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
#000000 2px=20
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Neil" =
<<A=20
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A'>mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com"&=
gt;OIUOIU@OIU.com</A</A>>>=20
wrote=3D20<BR>> in message <A=3D20<BR>> =
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:4554a417$1@linux">news:4554a417$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Are'=
>news:4554a417$1@linux">news:4554a417$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
<BR>Are</A><BR>=3D<BR>>you=3D20<BR >> =20
guys talking about WIRELESS networking of audio from one=20
=3D<BR>>computer<BR>to=3D20<BR>> another? (I'm a =
complete=20
dunderhead when it comes to<BR>networking=20
=3D<BR>>concepts,=3D20<BR>> so pardon my=20
ignorance.)<BR><BR>Can you really do=3D20<BR>> =20
=
this?<BR><BR>Neil<BR& gt;<BR><BR><BR> "Tom=
=20
Bruhl" <
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Mon, 16 October 2006 23:14 |
Chris Ludwig
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the time to di something about it,
>>>>>>>>> Carter did, but we voted him out and effectively pretended there
>>>>>>>>> was no problem with our oil dependency for the next 22 years
>>>>>>>>> (Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gore probably would have tried to do something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> especially upon having had ward publicly declared on this country
>>>>>>>>>> by Al Qaeda. So what are we going to do? Are the Democrats going
>>>>>>>>>> to solve this? In order to do so, we need to become energy
>>>>>>>>>> independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when all
>>>>>>>>>> domestic energy options other than drilling for oil in old,
>>>>>>>>>> depleted oil and gas reservoirs here are off the table whereas
>>>>>>>>>> solutions that *are proven* could bring this about within the
>>>>>>>>>> next 5 years are off the table?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our
>>>>>>>>>> economy is 15 years away, at least. We don't have 15
>>>>>>>>>> years...especially with a party in power that is willing to
>>>>>>>>>> negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign of weakness.
>>>>>>>>>> They will be encouraged by this.
>>>>>>>>> Energy policy needs immediate attention. And some amount of time
>>>>>>>>> for better policies to help, as you say.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
>>>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:4553565b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton
>>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a
>>>>>>>>>>>> good economy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not effective,
>>>>>>>>>>>> the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year
>>>>>>>>>>> and a half
>>>>>>>>>>> old. The numbers are much worse now.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up
>>>>>>>>>>> with trillions
>>>>>>>>>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough
>>>>>>>>>>> that we have
>>>>>>>>>>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of
>>>>>>>>>>> mideast
>>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the
>>>>>>>>>>> danger of
>>>>>>>>>>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
>>>>>>>>>>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL
>>>>>>>>>>> influence on
>>>>>>>>>>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of
>>>>>>>>>>> the Bush years.
>>>>>>>>>>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and
>>>>>>>>>>> Halliburton.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion
>>>>>>>>>>> dollars
>>>>>>>>>>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is
>>>>>>>>>>> effectively taking
>>>>>>>>>>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United
>>>>>>>>>>> States.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush
>>>>>>>>>>> with savings,
>>>>>>>>>>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year,
>>>>>>>>>>> even though
>>>>>>>>>>> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing
>>>>>>>>>>> value. More than
>>>>>>>>>>> any other nation in history, the United States depends,
>>>>>>>>>>> economically, on
>>>>>>>>>>> the kindness of strangers."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>Now look, I'm replying to my own damn post when I said I was done. What a
dork! ;>)
See my insert below.
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:4554e5a5@linux...
> Like I said Jamie, once we get a handle on at least fixing the big holes
> in our homeland security we can then work on long term solutions to why
> they hate us so. Hell, I don't even care if we work on the long term at
> the same time, just get to work on the immediate security stuff now.
>
> Yes, we should act in our best interest. I believe appearing weak to
> terrorists will not be in our best interest. I'm sorry, I'll have to agree
> to disagree with you on this point.
>
> Iraq has been a dismal abyss. Saddam ruled with a genocidal iron fist, and
> it appears that was the only thing keeping the Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds
> from tearing each other up. Now it looks like that will happen anyway. The
> problem there is so huge and complicated, that I don't have hope anyone
> can "fix" it. We didn't create the "real" problem though. We just removed
> Hussein so the various divisions in Iraq could get back to their centuries
> old civil war unimpeded.
We actually did create Hussein, but I refering to the "real" problem right
at this vary moment, which is more about Iraqies killing Iraqies, than about
them not wanting us there. They want us out, so the real slughter can begin.
Sorry, I was affraid I didn't make that vary clear.
>
> I don't believe being tough with terrorists should be our only course of
> action. We need to explore all avenues to work toward better relations in
> the Middle East, and all around the world. Take care of protecting
> ourselves right now, and I'm all over the making friends thing.
>
> I must have mis-interpreted your "wacky beliefs of a few terrorists"
> statement. I thought you were implying that our risk from terrorists is
> not real, or something we need not aggressively address.
>
> I have a hypothetical question for you Jamie. If by some miracle we could
> reverse all the failed policy and all of our mis-steps, Israel went away,
> basically remove any and all reasons for the terrorists to hate us, what
> if after all that, they still hate us and want us dead? What if it really
> is a war of ideology? What if the "infidels" really must convert or die?
> What then? I don't wish anyone to die by war, aggression or violence, but
> at what point do we decide to either fight or lay down and wait to die. I
> pray to God that this isn't the case. I hope somehow we can find common
> ground and live in peace with everyone. I haven't heard the terrorists
> ever express this option though.
>
> I anticipate your response, but will refrain from replying back. You have
> much greater debating skills than I, and besides, I've already broken my
> promise not to get involved in political threads. I'm such an opinionated
> ass! ;>)
>
> With Respect,
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4554d313@linux...
>>
>> Hey Tony,
>>
>> I never said anything about "a few wacky terrorists."
>>
>> I was speaking of the wacky beliefs of a few terrorists, a very different
>> concept.
>>
>> If we act in our best interest and the leadership of al-Qaeda happens
>> think we're being "weak" in so doing, it would be stupid for us to be
>> thusly manipulated to act to our detriment just to impress those few
>> terrorists.
>>
>> We should act out of strength of purpose, clear vision and as much wisdom
>> as we can gather, being true to our ideals, regardless of the wacky
>> beliefs of a few terrorists.
>>
>> More than one expert on the region has criticized our lack of long term
>> preplanning in Iraq before going in. We're now in a situation that the
>> current (for the moment) policy architects did not anticipate nor prepare
>> for, and it's not a great situation. Many lives lost and $300 billion tax
>> dollars later, more lives and dollars every day, significant tax money
>> unaccounted for, Iran gaining influence in Iraq, these sorts of
>> consequences have been a significant factor in this election. Voters are
>> asking hard questions, as well they should.
>>
>> Our various policies directly affect the region and so we must carefully
>> consider their effect. We will never have perfect intelligence systems, a
>> perfectly impenetrable border, flawless law enforcement and a blanket
>> defense against everything nor can we afford that. We can work in that
>> direction within what we can afford but we must also work in other
>> directions to help create peace. There is a balance. Anyone who preaches
>> that there is only ONE avenue of action is probably making money on that
>> avenue or listening to someone who does.
>>
>> Yes you can recognize the possibility of additional attacks on the US
>> without subscribing to the notion that we have to behave shortsightedly
>> and predictably in order to impress a few terrorists with our
>> "non-weakness."
>>
>> Consider that that kind of stubbornness and inability to see creative
>> solutions can actually make us miss opportunities to become stronger and
>> more successful, and to help create a better situation for ourselves and
>> for people who live in the region.
>>
>> Am I being more clear?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>> Jamie,
>>>
>>> I didn't imply that you were "blind, deaf and dumb". I respect your
>>> discourse, and strong defense of your views. I just feel the current
>>> situation involves more than "a few wacky terrorists". Also, just
>>> because I recognize there is a real, and likely threat of more attacks
>>> here in the US, doesn't mean I'm an "overcompensating insecure
>>> spendthrift fool undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed abject
>>> fear". I do understand though that this isn't some war between two
>>> countries, where we can "negotiate" an end to hostilities, or simply
>>> drop our support for Israel, or change our policy and make everything
>>> better. Whether it was decades of failed U.S. policy or not, these
>>> people want us dead right now, and we have to be proactive. Once we do
>>> something significant about our boarders and make sure we have the
>>> absolute best intelligence, defense, and law enforcement agencies money
>>> can buy, then we can talk about long term programs to make everyone
>>> "like us". Sorry, gotta go. It's lower body workout day. I have to be in
>>> shape for all that "knee jerking"! ;>)
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45544bcc@linux...
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> Jamie wrote:
>>>>>> like overcompensating insecure
>>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty
>>>>> eyed abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe,
>>>>> just maybe, we're better than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> and a healthy fear of a real threat will keep you alive whereas you
>>>>> can die by living in the fantasy world of an idealistic anachronism,
>>>>> or you can face reality, deal with it for the time being and have
>>>>> something left to argue over once the dust clears.
>>>> Those are two of many choices. Black and white in a multi-colored
>>>> world.
>>>>
>>>> Concern and awareness are useful when focused to motivate planning and
>>>> forethought that translates into appropriate action, no dispute from me
>>>> on that. You can call that "healthy fear" if you like, at the risk of
>>>> confusing it with unhealthy fear.
>>>>
>>>> It's dangerously possible, through fear, to react with insufficient
>>>> thought and understanding, and make a bad situation worse.
>>>>
>>>> Ask a military planner. Fear is the path to panic, not the basis for
>>>> sound policy or strategy. Ask any dictator, fear is an effective way to
>>>> enslave.
>>>>
>>>> "...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" FDR in another
>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, it would be inaccurate to imply that anyone who doesn't
>>>> agree with a particular course of action is blind, deaf and dumb to
>>>> potential threats. Not a true nor useful characterization. Divisive at
>>>> best. And dividing ourselves IS one road to defeat.
>>>>
>>>> It's important to recognize what hasn't worked, to be open to better
>>>> ideas. So we can, together, find solutions that help our country and
>>>> our planet achieve peace.
>>>>
>>>> The first step toward getting out of a hole is to stop digging. That
>>>> may be one message of this election.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45541a10@linux...
>>>>>> Sure, I hope you're wrong, too, Deej. Like me, you've been wrong
>>>>>> before so there's reason to hope. ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The prediction that we will be attacked again has been made many
>>>>>> times before this election. And if/when we are attacked next it will
>>>>>> probably have been planned before this election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But should it happen I'm sure a lot of cable TV blatherers will tell
>>>>>> you it's the fault of this election anyway. Flawed logic is still
>>>>>> logic and there's no goat like a scapegoat when the blatherers don't
>>>>>> want to face the possibility of other causes, like poorly considered
>>>>>> policy and action by whoever's not being scapegoated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've suffered al-Qaeda attacks under both Democratic and Republican
>>>>>> presidents. Worse under Republicans with 9/11, but go ahead and blame
>>>>>> BOTH the Clinton and Bush Jr. administrations, or if it really makes
>>>>>> you feel better, just blame Clinton and give Bush a pass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I can blame foreign policy back at least to WWI for
>>>>>> contributing to the setup of this situation. So IMO there's plenty of
>>>>>> blame to go around through many administrations in both major
>>>>>> parties - for those times we're in a blaming mood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those times when we can get BEYOND being in a blaming mood, the
>>>>>> assumption that one party or another is eager to invite attack is
>>>>>> presumptuous. Surely there are at least a few real patriots left in
>>>>>> BOTH major parties AND the minor parties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are different ways to attempt to meet any threat, diffuse the
>>>>>> threat and find solutions for any situation. Maybe, just maybe, we'll
>>>>>> get some further options on the table now to meet this threat, and
>>>>>> maybe, just maybe, they'll work better than the current approach
>>>>>> which has hardly been flawless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever we do, let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated by
>>>>>> terrorists into strutting around acting like overcompensating
>>>>>> insecure spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with
>>>>>> shifty eyed abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but
>>>>>> maybe, just maybe, we're better than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best way to be strong is to come together, work together and
>>>>>> choose from the widest array of effective options.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a
>>>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is
>>>>>>>> not smart enough
>>>>>>> to be running foreign policy.<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> perception of weakenss is invitation to attack, plain and simple and
>>>>>>> we are now (especially now) perceived as weak and undecided. I'm
>>>>>>> predicting that we are going to be catastrophically attacked soon
>>>>>>> and that it will come as a result iof an intelligence failure due to
>>>>>>> democrats restricting the ability of the NSA to wiretap. I hope I'm
>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:45538a31@linux...
>>>>>>>> I'm referring to any US leader who bases their policy on pleasing
>>>>>>>> or not pleasing terrorists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a
>>>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is
>>>>>>>> not smart enough to be running foreign policy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In individual cases it may or may not make sense to employ
>>>>>>>> diplomacy and negotiation. That judgment cannot be wisely made by
>>>>>>>> anyone who lets themselves be controlled by knee-jerk thinking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:455374c4@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
>>>>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you referring to those few wacky terroists who killed over
>>>>>>>>> 3,000 innocent people in the World Trade Centers, crashed a jumbo
>>>>>>>>> jet into our Pentagon, and, but for the extreme courage of some
>>>>>>>>> passengers, almost flew a jumbo jet into our White House or
>>>>>>>>> Capital Building? Those wacky terroists? Maybe it's that wacky
>>>>>>>>> president over in Iran who wants to "wipe Isreal from the face of
>>>>>>>>> the planet". You know, the one enriching all the uranium. I
>>>>>>>>> disagree with plenty of the Republicans and the Presidents
>>>>>>>>> actions, policies, etc., but being tough with terroists is one
>>>>>>>>> area we can't waiver. These people want to kill us. I'm affraid
>>>>>>>>> nothing short of a few smuggled in soviet nukes going off is going
>>>>>>>>> to make this clear to people. Too bad it'll be too late at that
>>>>>>>>> point. Sorry for the drama, but this one thing more than any other
>>>>>>>>> scares me sick.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up
>>>>>>>>>>> with trillions
>>>>>>>>>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart
>>>>>>>>>>> that vaulted them into the position they are in nowadays?
>>>>>>>>>> Nixon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we need a constant flow of mideast
>>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep our economy going.<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized
>>>>>>>>>>> this back when we had the time to di something about it,
>>>>>>>>>> Carter did, but we voted him out and effectively pretended there
>>>>>>>>>> was no problem with our oil dependency for the next 22 years
>>>>>>>>>> (Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gore probably would have tried to do something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> especially upon having had ward publicly declared on this
>>>>>>>>>>> country by Al Qaeda. So what are we going to do? Are the
>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats going to solve this? In order to do so, we need to
>>>>>>>>>>> become energy independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go
>>>>>>>>>>> about that when all domestic energy options other than drilling
>>>>>>>>>>> for oil in old, depleted oil and gas reservoirs here are off the
>>>>>>>>>>> table whereas solutions that *are proven* could bring this
>>>>>>>>>>> about within the next 5 years are off the table?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our
>>>>>>>>>>> economy is 15 years away, at least. We don't have 15
>>>>>>>>>>> years...especially with a party in power that is willing to
>>>>>>>>>>> negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign of weakness.
>>>>>>>>>>> They will be encouraged by this.
>>>>>>>>>> Energy policy needs immediate attention. And some amount of time
>>>>>>>>>> for better policies to help, as you say.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
>>>>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DJ
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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