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| Re: Attn: TCB [message #80368 is a reply to message #80360] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 10:23   |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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ot;Hey, everybody dies of something."
>>
>> Is that what's really going on with the global warming "debate"? Is
> it
>>really just a battle between those who give a crap and those who don't?
> I
>>realize even planets don't last forever, but I think this one has a few
> good
>>millenia left in it if we can get it to lay off the cigarettes. :)
>>
>>Sarah
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>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
>>news:460ec4f9@linux...
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IPHmJWmDk&mode=related& amp;search=
>>>
>>> It's a British documentary showing another viewpoint about global
>>> warming
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>>> and CO2. It's a viewpoint that is different from that of the man who
>>> invented the internet...
>>>
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>Thanks for keeping an open mind, Don. If you can point me to the papers
published by the two scientists you mention, I'll check 'em out. I keep
an open mind, too.
But given what's at stake, I don't want to pussyfoot around when so much
evidence and so many experts point to problems building up.
Especially when smaller actions taken now could give us a much, much
better chance of preserving a livable climate, longer term, than even
incredibly difficult, economy crashing cold turkey attempts would
achieve if we sit around and wait until later.
Also, considering that mitigating green house gas emissions has other
positive benefits in addressing other problems, we may as well get
started. Many of the global warming solutions will also help us deal
with peak oil, local pollution problems and national security risks, to
name a few.
We have a huge responsibility to do the right thing. Let's not wait
until it's too late. The benefits of starting now are compelling. The
risks of waiting are high, and growing higher the longer we wait.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Don Nafe wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:460fec68$1@linux...
>> Bill Lorentzen wrote:
>>> Unfortunately I don't know enough science to analyze the whole scene and
>>> draw my own "scientific" conclusions. That said, I do find one specific
>>> datum from the movie compelling: that historically the CO2 has risen
>>> AFTER the warming. If this is indeed true, then one would have to be a
>>> fool to believe that increased CO2 emissions will greatly cause global
>>> warming. Surely we are all smart enough to acknowledge that.
>>>
>>> A key question is: hsitorically, which came first, the warming or the CO2
>>> increase? Who can umequivocally determine that?
>> Bill, you can read a good explanation here:
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>> http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/22/231145/76
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>> In short, they can be interrelated, and the biggest driver in the end is
>> the C02. IOW, it fits into the picture we're getting, that humans are now
>> contributing to the current climate change.
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>> If you can't draw your own scientific conclusions, it may make some sense
>> to listen to the conclusions that actual climate scientists are drawing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>
> We have two experts on climate here in Ottawa and both disagree vehemently
> that CO2 is the major cause of the warming trend we are presently
> experiencing. In fact one of them is a climate modelling expert and you
> should hear him rail against the models that are being used by the Global
> Warmists.
> <
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| Re: Attn: TCB [message #80373 is a reply to message #80372] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 10:14 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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ttp://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/12/22/231145/76
>>
>> In short, they can be interrelated, and the biggest driver in the end is
>> the C02. IOW, it fits into the picture we're getting, that humans are now
>> contributing to the current climate change.
>>
>> If you can't draw your own scientific conclusions, it may make some sense
>> to listen to the conclusions that actual climate scientists are drawing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>Cool. Beatles R Us. :)
S
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:461043f4$1@linux...
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> http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070401/D8O8326G0.htmlThanks for checking out the article, Bill.
The conclusion was that in the period of time discussed (way back then)
during that particular series of events (different circumstances than
now), even then, notice that C02 was the major factor in warming.
Even in cases where C02 didn't happen first, the initial warming still
lead to C02 releases, and the C02 then caused the majority of the
ultimate
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