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| Re: I'm pretty sure it was ten years ago today [message #92830 is a reply to message #92828] |
Sat, 17 November 2007 16:29   |
DJ
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n article 4785c6ad$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>
>>> I would agree withg you that some federal spending on education could
>and
>>> needs to be reworked..
>>>
>>> But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work ". People,
>>> companys,farmers,this
>>> country ) needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you
>will.
>>>
>>> If you are a spiritual man, than you lean to rely on the Lord for things
>>> that you can't do. Bottom line, everybody form time to time needs a
helphand,
>>> and yes a blessing, gift, handout, bailout..
>>>
>>> Your kind of thinking is a typical white man's point of view. You take
>out
>>> the race. This country is not fair to all. Do we agree on that?
>>> I know of folks (African Americans)who have tried but have been denied
>(even
>>> through qualified) oportunities,jobs, houses, loans
>>>
>>> So, you can traach a man to fish hunt, But, if that man, is told that
>he
>>> can't hunt nor fish on this land or pond, or he is not qualified, then
>what??
>>>
>>> I do'nt buy this pull you self up lingo in this country. Wait, I do belive
>>> that if you are white.. And, yes, some of us blacks do make in by some
>>> unbelievable
>>> obstacales that would have made most quit..
>>>
>>> Back to education: I would say that our elementary and middle education
>is
>>> fine...but, it's the high schools, and better the students..Thes
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| Re: I'm pretty sure it was ten years ago today [message #92835 is a reply to message #92830] |
Sun, 18 November 2007 01:38 |
Erling
Messages: 156
Registered: October 2008
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very job and responsibility taken by any individual in
>a given
>>>> community or society. No one from federal or local governments, or
local
>>>> school systems is encouraging young teenagers to become pregnant, shoot
>>> one
>>>> another, or take drugs. That happens as a product of society and becomes
>>> a
>>>> part of every aspect of that society. We can make better opportunities
>>> and
>>>> better environments with enough money, but it only lasts so long. Schools
>>>> that are now problematic, were probably great 20 years ago. Might be
>>>> interesting to check the test scores and pass/fail rates for the history
>>> of
>>>> the school in your neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>> If you check what Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus proposes,
>it's
>>>> abolishing the Federal Department of Education - leaving schools to
be
>>>> managed at the state and local levels, which the pretty much already
>are.
>>>> I'm not making a statement either way - just clarifying the facts and
>the
>>>> realities of what causes problems in society.
>>>>
>>>> We are fast becoming a bleeding heart, woe-is-me country of victims
rather
>>>> than innovators and problem solvers. Handouts never work - we've all
>heard
>>>> the Chinese proverb - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
> Teach
>>>> a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"... it is true. But if
>he
>>>> doesn't want to learn to fish and just wants you to give him one, he'll
>>> be
>>>> hungry the next day. If you don't give him one then, he'll start
>>>> considering stealing.
>>>>
>>>> What I personally would discourage is a victim mentality. We are only
>what
>>>> we are individually out of choice, unless you believe we are only what
>our
>>>> environment allows, and nothing more. Circumstances aren't always
>>>> favorable, or even tolerable, but blaming the government carte blanche
>for
>>>> the ils of society is in fact part of the problem, if not a majority
>cause.
>>>>
>>&
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| Re: I'm pretty sure it was ten years ago today [message #92836 is a reply to message #92835] |
Sun, 18 November 2007 02:04 |
Erling
Messages: 156
Registered: October 2008
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gt;> łNo great man ever complains of want of opportunity.˛
>>>> Ralph Waldo Emerson
>>>>
>>>> In support of this, 2/3 of today's billionaires were dirt poor when
they
>>>> started out... it takes more the open doors to become successful - it
>takes
>>>> determination. That's what isn't being taught in schools, at home or
>in
>>> our
>>>> society. I know of other billionaires working on revamping the education
>>>> system - not just the Gates Foundation.
>>>>
>>>> The point is, we can change our government until the cows come home,
>but
>>> if
>>>> people who work and live at the local level don't want to change, then
>>>> voting for change is a fool's folly. Making one's own opportunities
>is
>>> the
>>>> most certain way to solve a problem.
>>>>
>>>> PS: Why do you say "your President"? Have you changed your citizenship?
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> We don't have to go on with this - probably enough OT threads for this
>week.
>>>> Email me offline if you prefer. I think I've about exhausted my time
>>>> allocation for OT this month. ;-))
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 1/9/08 11:15 PM, in article 4785a9ef$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cont: I'm a big supporter of the Bill and Melinda Gates (re-inventing
>>> ) the
>>>>> US educational system. It's horrible.
>>>>>
>>>>> My wie and I are agonising over what school to send our baby (2 year
>)
>>> old
>>>>> when shes turns five(school age). These suburban schools a horrible.
>The
>>>>> kids lack manners. Are having sex (in school). Cursing out the teachers.
>>>>> Girls dress like strippers. Horrible. When we invested into this community,
>>>>> we did not expect the local school system to be this bad.
>>>>> ANd, we're told the private schools are not that much better.
>>>>>
>>>>> BUT, do i want to kill public education. For it's ills, there still
>students
>>>>> in this nation who are "learning". Can it improve, yes..
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of the goverment throwing more money..Well, your President
>(Bush)
>>>>> has underfunded the No Child Left Behind program big time. Then, stole
>>> major
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| Re: I'm pretty sure it was ten years ago today [message #92843 is a reply to message #92825] |
Sun, 18 November 2007 10:06 |
Morgan
Messages: 133
Registered: August 2005
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uot;.
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>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Lamont, don't take offense to this, but your post sounds as racist and
>>> prejudiced as I've heard, and certainly in the context that it is directed
>>> at me. I'm not going to get into this further as it's going nowhere and
>> I
>>> don't have any interest in sharing my personal life experiences online
> (that
>>> would have to be over coffee in person - perhaps we'll have a chance
>>> someday), but trust me when I say, when referring to me as "typical white
>>> man" or "your hero Ron Reagan" you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>> None. You are judging me without knowing me or any facts whatsoever. That's
>>> shortsighted at best, racist at worst - not an accusation, just an
>>> observation. Again, no personal offense intended at all - just hoping
> you
>>> can see the reality of how your words and point of view come across. It's
>>> hard to gain sympathy for a problem you may face if you treat others the
>>> same way.
>>>
>>> To end on a less personal note, there is a huge difference between helping
>>> the p
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| Re: I'm pretty sure it was ten years ago today [message #92855 is a reply to message #92854] |
Mon, 19 November 2007 00:48 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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>>>>>>> WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
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>All 3 of the Dems are lawyers - Oy!
Lest you fall for Obama's youth and charm, be aware he twice voted for
IDX or partial birth abortion. For more on this unlovely act you could
read this if you have a strong stomach:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_birth_abortion
I'm actually not totally opposed to early abortion, under certain
circumstances, but from what I just read, I could never support partial
birth abortion of viable babies. It sounds totally barbaric. That makes
Obama a barbarian or just stupid (which is about the same thing) in my book.
In case anyone cares, my reasoning on this is that once the body has
developed to the point of being potentially viable, the spiritual being
has claimed or even occupied it and then you are essentially killing his
or her body, which is murder, right? I don't think the same is true
about a tiny egg that has just become fertilized. There's no spiritual
or sentient being there to my way of thinking. I hope I don't start a
whole thing here or upset anyone with this fairly gruesome subject.
DC w
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