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| Re: What's crashing you? [message #61558 is a reply to message #61533] |
Sun, 18 December 2005 20:12   |
justcron
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gt;>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:43bd5a4c$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Mackie, it's always marketing hype. Mackie has been known to
>
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> hype
>>>>>> their products, not to say they don't make reasonably good stuff.
>>>> Always
>>>>>> use your own ears. I remember reading somewhere on Gearslutz where
>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>> was taking their Onyx Mixer back because the mic pres were too shrill
>>>> and
>>>>>> harsh. Of course every bodies got different ears, so listen for
>>>> yourself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> so what will their next pres be? Even better, and then they'll have
>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> come up with some adjectives to describe what is wrong with the
>>>>>>> Onyx's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I loves audio !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>>> From what I've heard, the Onyx pre's are a pretty big step up from
>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and though
>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" to
> them
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother sounding.
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from first
>
>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>&
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| Re: What's crashing you? [message #61582 is a reply to message #61565] |
Mon, 19 December 2005 09:53 |
Deej [1]
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now *that's* a good trick!<br>
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still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.<br>
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just my 2cents<br>
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Aaron Allen wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid43bdfde6@linux" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them to
open the gates :)
AA
"Tony Benson" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony@standinghampton.com"><tony@standinghampton.com></a> wrote in message
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:43bd53ff@linux">news:43bd53ff@linux</a>...
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<pre wrap="">The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will be
a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should be
able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling the
shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
Tony
"jef knight" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a> wrote in message
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="news:43bd4794@linux">news:43bd4794@linux</a>...
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<pre wrap="">I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and the
software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get all
the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
trigger into something useful?
jef
Dimitrios wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Hi and happy new year.
I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
reliable
enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that mak
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| Re: What's crashing you? [message #61586 is a reply to message #61582] |
Mon, 19 December 2005 10:04 |
justcron
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>I have to tell you that it's more 60/40 these day for me. Now that I built
>myselt a Dedicated VSTi & Giga Machine (PC), powering up my keyboard racks
>is becoming less less.
>
>Last year I sysytematicaly set out to replace all of modlus and import stock(meat
>& Potatoes) sounds that can get me thru a modern production.
>When Spectrasonics updated Stylus to RMX & Battery/Acid, I know long have
>to use my MPC for sounds, but only as a seqencer.
>Here the replacement list:
>
>For Rhodes: Native Instruments : Electick Piano, Scrarbee Rhodes
>
>For Real Grand Pianos: Giga Pianos,Soon Ivory
>For Synth Bass : Trilogy, Auturia Mini Moog
>Pads : Atmosphere,FM7, Albino(!!!),Wavestation
>Analogy Synths : Pro 53, Atmosphere,Korg poly 6,Moog,
> CS- 80,Arp 2600
>Organs: NI's B4..
>Real Strings : Garritan Giga Strings,Sonic Implants,Kirk Hunter
>
>Real Drum Sim: BFD, Battery..
>i just em up in V-Stack, boom..remembers each song setups..
>
>If I do use hardware, it's only becuase I just a particualr sound that I
>have found yet in the vast vsti library. Also, I have a "ganked out" Kurweil
>K2500XS, That's my Baby. It's has a sound quality second to none!! I have
>Gigs of internal and external sound in it that just gets the job done..
>So, there you have it.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason
to
>>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>>collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>>into the SX thing.
>>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>>with.
>>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>>
>>>Any advice appreciated,
>>>Pete
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>Lamont, I have to disagree with you to a certain extent... I'm
using CubaseSX (version 1.06, which I've heard, alternately from
different sources, that it does have the same sound engine as
Nuendo, and that it also does not, but in any case, if it does
not, then I'm sure the one in Nuendo is better), and I don't get
this smearing you're talking about - even at track counts in the
36-40+ range (IIRC, 42 tracks is the highest I've needed thus
far). The only thing I've noticed about it is that when you do
get into those higher track counts, the soundstage does have a
tendency to collapse a tiny bit... a few percentage points at
most, though, and that can be remedied by exporting four or five
stereo stems.
A few questions:
What resolution are you recording at where you're hearing this
smearing? I use 24-bit/88.2k, and I've got 2 or 3 songs with
track counts in the high 30's with probably 20 or so plug-in's
going, and I'm not hearing anything like this. Do you think it
could be your PC on the verge of bogging down at those levels of
demand? What's your VST Performance Meter look like in those
cases? Around 90% or higher? Also are you using time-based
plugin's like reverbs & delays as insert plugin's on individual
channels, or are you using them across group channels in a
send/return fashion?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Neil
"lamont" jjdpro#amerietch.net wrote:
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>Hey Dedric,
>they way I nad other cut and mix R & B/Gospel baking vocals is have at
least
>4-8 layers per note. I go for 6 usually times 4 part harmony = 24 tracks
>of balck vocals..Not including the MPC drums tracks=12-16 tracks..Lead Vocals..=2
>, Keyss 4 tracks, Bass =2 tracks, Guitars 2-3 tracks....
>
>Now mix this many tracks in nuendo fine, until youstart add plugins..That's
>when things start getting crazy.. Levels not matching, distortion fron tracks.
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| Re: What's crashing you? [message #61592 is a reply to message #61586] |
Mon, 19 December 2005 10:24 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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rz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>into the SX thing.
>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>with.
>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>
>>Any advice appreciated,
>>Pete
>Sooooo.....do you video tape it too?
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43be6faa$1@linux...
> I like to watch mine dither.... tho... :)
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43bdf55a@linux...
> > Ain't that *special file* thing cool? I love being able to just skip the
> > whole dither step.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:43bded96@linux...
> > > You can import a 24 bit stereo wav and export the file as an mp3
> > > without mixing down to 16 bit. Since I post online roughs for clients
as
> > > mp3s,
> > > that's pretty darn handy.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>
Craig Anderton pointed out recently that soft synths are often vanishing
instruments, especially if the company goes out of business and the software
soesn't run on the newer OS.
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John,
You too? Mine won't play all the way though. That's the=20
problem. I have to look at it in another machine. The
table of contents is rough to navigate also. I may have missed
sections after all this time.
Tom
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43be5f18$1@linux...
yep, mine too, i just watch it all the way through. I only watched it =
twice and took notes so now I pretty much know all it has. The BT=20
comping section with all the Booms and Bams is hilarious.
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information?
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> Anybody else?
> =20
> By the way I still watch it no matter how painful...
> Tom
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