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| Re: Can you run Paris in a Laptop? [message #65819 is a reply to message #65813] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 08:39   |
Mark McDermott
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cidedly more difficult, more advanced, and =
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>> clever. And harder to play.<BR>> <BR>> And for the last 20 years, =
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>> I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened<BR>> to a recorded =
>> performance of=20
>> the tune, and then worked out some parts to<BR>> imitate what I hear, =
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>> with jazz the expectation is different. For starters<BR>> most =
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>> versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If I copy<BR>> =
>> what I=20
>> hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating that=20
>> particular<BR>> recording, where the expectation is that I should be =
>> doing my=20
>> own, different,<BR>> original version. I mean I'm quite capable of =
>> doing=20
>> that, but I need to learn<BR>> the tune somehow, and while I have =
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>> ability to read charts, I'm hardly<BR>> an expert at it, as I've =
>> found that=20
>> working off the actual recordings
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| Re: Can you run Paris in a Laptop? [message #65830 is a reply to message #65813] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 10:37 |
Tony Benson
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Registered: June 2006
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m is that jazz musos, or good ones at least, are so good.
>;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard parts in the average top ten tune,
>to the piano part in an average jazz tune, there's no comparison. One is
>decidedly more difficult, more advanced, and more clever. And harder to
play.
>
>And for the last 20 years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened
>to a recorded performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to
>imitate what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For starters
>most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If I copy
>what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating that particular
>recording, where the expectation is that I should be doing my own, different,
>original version. I mean I'm quite capable of doing that, but I need to
learn
>the tune somehow, and while I have some ability to read charts, I'm hardly
>an expert at it, as I've found that working off the actual recordings is
>generally far more effective for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.
>
>Anybody know of somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards
>"as they're written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes
>before people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such thing...
...would
>be handy, for me at least. MIDI files even might be ideal.
>
>And of course I don't actually know any real jazz musos. I know some people
>who know a bit of jazz, but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in jazz.
>
>I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious effort
>into improving my chart reading skills...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.J
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| Re: Can you run Paris in a Laptop? [message #65833 is a reply to message #65830] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 11:14 |
Stevehwan
Messages: 207
Registered: January 2006
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aul Grabowsky and a bunch of other
>> dudes who's names I probably would know if I knew as much about jazz as
> I'd
>> like to. ;o)
>>
>> So this week's whim for me is that I want to switch all my musical persuits
>> to jazz. I mean rock is all so yesterday. ;o) Actually, it's not a sudden
>> whim for this week. It's been brewing for some time,but I've been avoiding
>> ths switch because it sounds like too much hard work.
>>
>> Part of the problem is that jazz musos, or good ones at least, are so good.
>> ;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard parts in the average top ten tune,
>> to the piano part in an average jazz tune, there's no comparison. One is
>> decidedly more difficult, more advanced, and more clever. And harder to
> play.
>> And for the last 20 years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened
>> to a recorded performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to
>> imitate what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For starters
>> most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If I copy
>> what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating that particular
>> recording, where the expectation is that I should be doing my own, different,
>> original version. I mean I'm quite capable of doing that, but I need to
> learn
>> the tune somehow, and while I have some ability to read charts, I'm hardly
>> an expert at it, as I've found that working off the actual recordings is
>> generally far more effective for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.
>>
>> Anybody know of somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards
>
>> "as they're written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes
>> before people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such thing...
> ..would
>> be handy, for me at least. MIDI files even might be ideal.
>>
>> And of course I don't actually know any real jazz musos. I know some people
>> who know a bit of jazz, but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in jazz.
>>
>> I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious effort
>> into improving my chart reading skills...
>>
>
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| Re: Can you run Paris in a Laptop? [message #65841 is a reply to message #65818] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 15:06 |
TC
Messages: 327
Registered: September 2005
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s in
jazz.
>>
>>I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious effort
>>into improving my chart reading skills...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>You mean you don'nt know al your chord inversions?
That's standard requirement for R & B. You'd be hard presses to play some
Earth Wind & Fire not knowing 90 percent of your chordal inversions :)
Now that we're on the subject, to play Jazz, one should have a foundation
as to where that style is derived from.
Today, I would say that having a firm understanding of the Blues is paramount!!
Simply put, you can play all the notes in the world, but, if it does not
have meaning orif it does not swing, then it's just al ot of notes..
From the Blues, then Jazz or even Gospel. The Gospel music form is a very
interesting form. It's comprised of: The Blues, clasical, Jazz, R &B, Rock
& Roll.. Yep, you get it all in on art for called Gospel music. Being from
Detroit, which is Gospel music's mecca, I can tell you that there some Local
Jazz great talents (James Carter-Sax) and others. These guys can be-bop you
all night long, but all are lost in a Gospel situation..
expecialy the Jazz keyboard guys. Lost in space when it come to playing Gospel.:)
But, You take a un-learned,can't read Gospel Kid who plays at a Store-front
church, to the local jazz spot, and he or she can flow..
So,what am I saying.. ??Having a good foundation on the origins of Jazz and
it's off-springs can shed a lot of light into the world of Jazz..
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>I do play guitar, though I'm more comfortable on keys, and would be approaching
>jazz from the keyboard end, at least as a first port of call.
>
>That said, it's an interesting concept I see at the site. I have a guitarist
>mate who's also on a jazz kick so I'll certainly forward this to him.
>
>However, one of the issues I have on guitar, being less familiar with guitar
>than keyboard, and partly just due to the nature of the format, is not just
>that I don't know where the notes are, but that, on keys, I can easily see
>the c
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| Re: Can you run Paris in a Laptop? [message #65848 is a reply to message #65841] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 16:32 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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> <DIV>Rich</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Kim" <</FONT><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:hiddensounds@hotmail.com"><FONT=20
> size=3D2>hiddensounds@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>> wrote =
>in message=20
> </FONT><A href=3D"news:4448377b$1@linux"><FONT=20
> size=3D2>news:4448377b$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT=20
> size=3D2>> <BR>> <BR>> Well, I went to a jazz gig last night. =
>Paul=20
> Grabowsky and a bunch of other<BR>> dudes who's names I probably =
>would know=20
> if I knew as much about jazz as I'd<BR>> like to. ;o)<BR>> =
><BR>> So=20
> this week's whim for me is that I want to switch all my musical=20
> persuits<BR>> to jazz. I mean rock is all so yesterday. ;o) =
>Actually, it's=20
> not a sudden<BR>> whim for this week. It's been brewing for some =
>time,but=20
> I've been avoiding<BR>> ths switch because it sounds like too much =
>hard=20
> work.<BR>> <BR>> Part of the problem is that jazz musos, or good =
>ones at=20
> least, are so good.<BR>> ;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard =
>parts in=20
> the average top ten tune,<BR>> to the piano part in an average jazz =
>tune,=20
> there's no comparison. One is<BR>> decidedly more difficult, more =
>advanced,=20
> and more clever. And harder to play.<BR>> <BR>> And for the last =
>20=20
> years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened<BR>> to a =
>recorded=20
> performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to<BR>> =
>imitate=20
> what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For =
>starters<BR>>=20
> most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If I
=
>
> copy<BR>> what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody =
>emulating=20
> that particular<BR>> recording, where the expectation is that I =
>should be=20
> doing my own, different,<BR>> original version. I mean I'm quite =
>capable of=20
> doing that, but I need to learn<BR>> the tune somehow, and while I =
>have=20
> some ability to read charts, I'm hardly<BR>> an expert at it, as =
>I've found=20
> that working off the actual recordings is<BR>> generally far more =
>effective=20
> for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.<BR>> <BR>> Anybody =
>know of=20
> somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards <BR>> "as =
>they're=20
> written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes<BR>> =
>before=20
> people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such=20
> thing... ...woul
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