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| Re: Here's something else to fight about besides Mac's/PC's [message #69438 is a reply to message #69434] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 12:58   |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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OSX is a Nuendo issue - it's only
>>>relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>
>>>As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>department
>>>(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a locked
>>>bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same problem we
>>>are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than $100.
>>>Also,
>>>replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just DVDs), is
>>>limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have options
>> for
>>>on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple. With
>> a
>>>PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the system
>>>drive
>>>twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the above.
>>>
>>>As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can say you
>>>can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always been able
>> to
>>>find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last night
>> I
>>>tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't find
>> one
>>>that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on our OSX
>>>Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>
>>>In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap between
>> Macs
>>>and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates them
>>>from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once users
>>>start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is always the
>>>first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>
>>>In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either the
>> best
>>>move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set Macs
>>>apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>widespread
>>>availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC repair
>>>options, including Ge
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| Re: Here's something else to fight about besides Mac's/PC's [message #69439 is a reply to message #69438] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 12:52 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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ek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't do
>>>your
>>>own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't exactly
>>>competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as every
>> new
>>>model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard time
>>>winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices put
>>>them.
>>>
>>>So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, closed, and
>>>costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I don't.
>> It
>>>just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those that
>>>haven't used both though.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran well
>> on
>>>> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in short
>> order.
>>>>
>>>> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different chips.
>>>> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC, and they
>> have
>>>> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission, for
>>>> others
>>>> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows software
>>>> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more software
>>>> than
>>>> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just easier,
>>>> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a studio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to compete
>>>> with
>>>> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek, high
>> end
>>>> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC video.
>> Sure
>>>> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. You'll
>> save
>>>> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend hours
>>>> tweaking,
>>>> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>
>>>> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. And then
>>>> there's
>>>> the software, I hate software that gets in the way. By the way, if you
>> want
>>>> to see more of Vista, watch the WWDC Keynote video; )
>>>>
>>>&
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| Re: Here's something else to fight about besides Mac's/PC's [message #69451 is a reply to message #69439] |
Sat, 17 June 2006 20:45 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
Registered: June 2005
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:44da0395$1@linux...
>>=20
>> As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the =
>number
>> of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher =
>costs.=20
>> It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the =
>industry, because
>> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and =
>prosper.
>> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the =
>rest
>> of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass =
>production/number
>> of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and =
>have helped
>> the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now =
>they
>> are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but
=
>it
>> will depend on the number of units sold.
>>=20
>> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you?
=
> I
>> think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour
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>and
>> get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times =
>the going
>> rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is a
=
>difference.
>> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only =
>perceived
>> differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple
=
>computer.
>> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>>=20
>> I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell =
>Precision
>> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I =
>expect that
>> the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell =
>will buy
>> and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>>=20
>> Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It =
>would be
>> like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going
=
>to
>> be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The =
>reality
>> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't =
>speak
>> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software
=
>and
>> the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is =
>for the
>> most part headache free.
>>=20
>> I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added =
>doodads
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| Re: Here's something else to fight about besides Mac's/PC's [message #69731 is a reply to message #69723] |
Tue, 27 June 2006 18:17 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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---=_linux44dcd6c4--Viewed in terms of artistic merit, that's perhaps the most beautiful photograph
of smog I've seen.
"DC" <dc@spammersinellay.com> wrote:
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>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Yesterday, PM........a picture is worth..........???
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>Oh YEAH?? Well it's heat n' smog season here in SoCal, so eat yer heart
>out...
>
> http://www.cualquiera.com.ar/videolinks/erik-mongrain-tappin g.html
Nice"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
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> http://www.cualquiera.com.ar/videolinks/erik-mongrain-tappin g.html
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>Nice
>
Looks like he's re-invented the Stick...
http://www.stick.com/onlinevideos/zig-zag_balade.htmlI'm considering purchasing an analog board as a front end to Paris, then editing
in Paris and then mixing back out on the board. Kind of as a Radar setup,
with Paris substituting for the Radar. Anyone doing this already, or know
if this would be a positive venture?
I'm looking at the new Toft boards and also an old Amek Angela.
Thanks,
michael blissI wouldn't recommend this, only because the Paris mixer is, in my opinion,
the key feature of the DAW. There are some odd workarounds that have to be
considered with it, however, it *sounds* fantastic.
rock on,
-Carl
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:44dcf10d$1@linux...
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> I'm considering purchasing an analog board as a front end to Paris, then
editing
> in Paris and then mixing back out on the board. Kind of as a Radar setup,
> with Paris substituting for the Radar. Anyone doing this already, or know
> if this would be a positive venture?
> I'm looking at the new Toft boards and also an old Amek Angela.
> Thanks,
>
> michael blissHi Michael...of course a nice analog board would be great with most any
system..especially if the preamps and EQ are very good...If you have summing
bus or direct outs for each channel,that's a great way to mix.....If you
have great outboard clock,A/D-D/A that's even better....tonehouse potomac,
md
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:44dcf10d$1@linux...
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> I'm considering purchasing an analog board as a front end to Paris, then
editing
> in Paris and then mixing back out on the board. Kind of as a Radar setup,
> with Paris substituting for the Radar. Anyone doing this already, or know
> if this would be a positive venture?
> I'm looking at the new Toft boards and also an old Amek Angela.
> Thanks,
>
> michael blissI use My Paris System on a 56 Channel SoundCraft Ghost Console. This board
made my mixes go up to another level. The summing buss improved as well as
the stereo imaging. Overall, it makes mixing easier. Even if you just use
2 channels to into the Analog board then to a master recorder or banck into
Paris ..Big Improvment...
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
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>I'm considering purchasing an analog board as a front end to Paris, then
editing
>in Paris and then mixing back out on the board. Kind of as a Radar setup,
>with Paris substituting for the Radar. Anyone doing this already, or know
>if this would be a positive venture?
>I'm looking at the new Toft boards and also an old Amek Angela.
>Thanks,
>
>michael blissMike - Did you have similar problems?
gantt
"Mike Mullin" <lunarlordship@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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>I think if you move back to version 3.7 your problems
>will go away. They did for me.
>cheers,
>Mike
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Are there any other Mac guys using the UAD-1 plugins? I'm getting weird
>noises
>>- clicks and pops and loud fog-horn-like noises when I use the UAD-1 plugins.
>> It seems like I'm OK if I only use them on 4, maybe 5 tracks, but if my
>>usage meter gets up over 40% - 50% the strangeness begins. I have two
>cards,
>>so I would think I'd be able to run more plugins without problems. The
>UA
>>guys won't even try to help me once they find out I'm running Paris in
OS
>>9! I tried re-installing Paris and the UAD-1 3.9 drivers withg no luck...
>> I may try re-installing OS 9.
>>
>>I'm also having more crashes than usual, but I don't know that I can attribute
>>them to UAD-1 issues.
>>
>>Gantt
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44dd08a2$1@linux...
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> I use My Paris System on a 56 Channel SoundCraft Ghost Console. This board
> made my mixes go up to another level. The summing buss improved as well as
> the stereo imaging. Overall, it makes mixing easier. Even if you just use
> 2 channels to into the Analog board then to a master recorder or banck
> into
> Paris ..Big Improvment...
>
> "michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm considering purchasing an analog board as a front end to Paris, then
> editing
>>in Paris and then mixing back out on the board. Kind of as a Radar setup,
>>with Paris substituting for the Radar. Anyone doing this already, or know
>>if this would be a positive venture?
>>I'm looking at the new Toft boards and also an old Amek Angela.
>>Thanks,
>>
>>michael bliss
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This was the best part of our trip to Leadville's Boom Days last weekend
(rained out). This is a lake near Freemont Pass between Leadville and I-70
- any idea of the lake's name DJ?
Everything sure is green here though. It would be nice to make it through
one day without a storm and rain.
Dedric
On 8/11/06 1:13 PM, in article 44dcd6c5@linux, "DC" <dc@spammersinellay.com>
wrote:
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday, PM........a picture is worth..........???
>
> Oh YEAH?? Well it's heat n' smog season here in SoCal, so eat yer heart
> out...
>
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