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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86623 is a reply to message #86608] |
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f="mailto:1@linux" target="_blank">1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Rick=
>, can=20
> you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of those=20
> available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =
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> href=3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=20
> agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =
>room=20
> reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or =
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> revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=20
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>suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=
>nt"=20
> <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86629 is a reply to message #86623] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 16:23 |
Tom Bruhl
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A>>=3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
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wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of=20
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86647 is a reply to message #86630] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 19:04 |
Jamie K
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"_blank">arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dale,<BR>>I like to do that too for a =
>richer=20
> reverb. Just run both a<BR>>room and a plate in two aux =
>busses and=20
> mix them<BR>>together. Don't get too loud with either and it =
>will be=20
> sweet.<BR>>I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out =
>some=20
> mids<BR>>more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal =
>or=20
> sometimes=3D20<BR>>snare.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> "dale" =
><<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>=20
> wrote in message =
>=3D<BR>>news:4693eb6a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Rick,=20
> can you elaborate on how to do this?<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>rick <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo =
>of those=20
> available.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >On =
>10 Jul=20
> 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>> =
>wrote:<BR>> =20
> ><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>>LaMont--<BR>> =20
> >>i agree--<BR>> >>though i have received some =
>criticism=20
> about the room reverb--<BR>> >>i'm an ancient user and =
>don't=20
> have any plug-ins or revised<BR>> >>FX for the room=20
> rev.--<BR>> >>any suggestions?<BR>> =20
> >>thanks<BR>> >>jp<BR>> =
>>><BR>> =20
> >>"LaMOnt" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>As I've =
>and other=20
> have been making our way thru the new analog =
>=3D<BR>>botique<BR>> =20
> plugins,<BR>> >>>I'm even more resolved in stating =
>that=20
> Paris FX are were stellar.<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
> >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. =
>The Plate=20
> =3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
>Delays are=20
> right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and =
>is<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> =20
> >>Comp..<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
>Waves new=20
> vintage plugs setting the new<BR>=3D<BR>>standards<BR>> =20
> >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are =
>still=20
> =3D<BR>>holding<BR>> it's<BR>> >>>own =
>with the=20
> best of them..<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I =
>choose=20
> Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
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>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>D><BR>><BODY=20
> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a richer =
>=3D<BR>>reverb.=20
> =3D20<BR>>Just run both =
>a</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux busses=20
> =
>and<BR>=3D<BR>>mix=3D20<BR>>them</FONT></DIV><BR>>&l=
>t;DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud with=20
> =3D<BR>>either and=3D20<BR>>it will be=20
> sweet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of the =3D<BR>>plate to=20
> notch=3D20<BR>>out some=20
> mids</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves a =3D<BR>>whole=20
> for=3D20<BR>>the vocal or sometimes=20
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86655 is a reply to message #86648] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 20:10 |
Bill L
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ilto:1@linux" target="_blank">1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>R=
>>ick=3D
>> >, can=3D20
>> > you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20
>> > =
>>href=3D3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20
>> > wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of =
>>those=3D20
>> > available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =3D
>> ><<A=3D20
>> > href=3D3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20
>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=3D20
>> > agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =3D
>> >room=3D20
>> > reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or =
>>=3D
>> >
>> > revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20
>> > =3D
>> >suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D
>> >nt"=3D20
>> > <<A =3D
>> >href=3D3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20
>> > wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other have been =3D
>> >making our=3D20
>> > way thru the new analog botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even =3D
>> >more=3D20
>> > resolved in stating that Paris FX are were=3D20
>> > stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very =3D
>> >good for=3D20
>> > most applications. The Plate verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays =3D
>> >are=3D20
>> > right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is=3D20
>> > =3D
>> >the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>With=3D
>> >=3D20
>> > UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new=3D20
>> > standards<BR>>>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 =3D
>> >years=3D20
>> > are still holding<BR>it's<BR>&
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86657 is a reply to message #86655] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 20:56 |
Jamie K
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3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
>>Delays are=20
>> right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and =
>>is<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> =20
>> >>Comp..<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
>>Waves new=20
>> vintage plugs setting the new<BR>=3D<BR>>standards<BR>> =20
>> >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are =
>>still=20
>> =3D<BR>>holding<BR>> it's<BR>> >>>own =
>>with the=20
>> best of them..<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I =
>>choose=20
>> Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
>> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
>> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
>> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
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>>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>>D><BR>><BODY=20
>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> =
>>size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a richer =
>>=3D<BR>>reverb.=20
>> =3D20<BR>>Just run both =
>>a</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux busses=20
>> =
>>and<BR>=3D<BR>>mix=3D20<BR>>them</FONT></DIV><BR> >&l=
>>t;DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud with=20
>> =3D<BR>>either and=3D20<BR>>it will be=20
>> sweet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of the =3D<BR>>plate to=20
>> notch=3D20<BR>>out some=20
>> mids</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>face=3D3DArial=20
>> size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves a =3D<BR>>whole=20
>> for=3D20<BR>>the vocal or sometimes=20
>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>> =
>>size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>
>> face=3D3DArial =
>>size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=20
>> =
>></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =
>>0px;=20
>> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
>>2px solid;=20
>> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"dale"=20
>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A'=
>>>mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A</=
>>A>>=3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Rick=
>>'>news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>>;<BR>Rick</A>=3D<BR>>,=20
>> can=3D20<BR>> you elaborate on how to do=20
>> this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20<BR>> =
>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20'>ma=
>>ilto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20</=
>>A><BR>> =20
>> wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of=20
>> those=3D20<BR>> =
>>available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On=20
>> 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =
>>=3D<BR>><<A=3D20<BR>> =20
>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto:jpj@jpj=
>>ones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>> =20
>> =
>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>=
>>;>>i=3D20<BR>> =20
>> agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about =
>>the=20
>> =3D<BR>>room=3D20<BR>> reverb--<BR>>>i'm an =
>>ancient user=20
>> and don't have any plug-ins or =3D<BR>><BR>> =20
>> revised<BR>>>FX for the room=20
>> rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20<BR>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR=
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>> <<A =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86663 is a reply to message #86655] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 04:07 |
John [1]
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lank">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =3D
>>> >news:4693eb6a$1@linux...
>>> >
>>> > Rick, can you elaborate on how to do this?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of those available.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >>LaMont--
>>> > >>i agree--
>>> > >>though i have received some criticism about the room reverb--
>>> > >>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or revised
>>> > >>FX for the room rev.--
>>> > >>any suggestions?
>>> > >>thanks
>>> > >>jp
>>> > >>
>>> > >>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>As I've and other have been making our way thru the new analog
>=
>>>=3D
>>> >botique
>>> > plugins,
>>> > >>>I'm even more resolved in stating that Paris FX are were =
>>>stellar.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. The =
>>>Plate =3D
>>> >verb
>>> > adn
>>> > >>>Chorus, Delays are right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and
>>=
>>>is
>>> =3D
>>> >the
>>> > >>Comp..
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the
>>=
>>>new
>>> =3D
>>> >standards
>>> > >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are still
=
>>>=3D
>>> >holding
>>> > it's
>>> > >>>own with the best of them..
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>> >
>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86664 is a reply to message #86657] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 04:13 |
John [1]
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gt;>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>>> ></HEAD>
>>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a =
>>>richer =3D
>>> >reverb. =3D20
>>> >Just run both a</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>busses and
>>> =3D
>>> >mix=3D20
>>> >them</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud
=
>>>with =3D
>>> >either and=3D20
>>> >it will be sweet.</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of
>>=
>>>the =3D
>>> >plate to notch=3D20
>>> >out some mids</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves
>>=
>>>a =3D
>>> >whole for=3D20
>>> >the vocal or sometimes </FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV> </DIV>
>>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>>> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>=
>>>=3D
>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> > <DIV>"dale" <<A=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com<=
>>>/A>=3D
>>> >>=3D20
>>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>R=
>>>ick=3D
>>> >, can=3D20
>>> > you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20
>>> > =
>>>href=3D3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20
>>> > wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of =
>>>those=3D20
>>> > available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =3D
>>> ><<A=3D20
>>> > href=3D3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20
>>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=3D20
>>> > agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =3D
>>> >room=3D20
>>> > reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or
=
>>>=3D
>>> >
>>> > revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> >suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D
>>> >nt"=3D20
>>> > <<A =3D
>>> >href=3D3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20
>>> > wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other have been =3D
>>> >making our=3D20
>>> > way thru the new analog botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even =3D
>>> >more=3D20
>>> > resolved in stating that Paris FX are were=3D20
>>> > stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very =3D
>>> >good for=3D20
>>> > most applications. The Plate verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays =3D
>>> >are=3D20
>>> > right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> >the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>With=3D
>>> >=3D20
>>> > UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new=3D20
>>> > standards<BR>>>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 =3D
>>> >years=3D20
>>> > are still holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best of=3D20
>>> > them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>spam, =3D
>>> >and=3D20
>>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>>fer=3D
>>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>> >
>>> >
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>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris Plate is mono in so =
>>>post pan won't=20
>>>matter nor</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will it hurt. Paris Room is =
>>>stereo in so that=20
>>>might help</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to maintain post pan settings. =
>>>The key is to=20
>>>'blend' the</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two to help sculpt the ambience around
>>=
>>>your=20
>>>source.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Use the best qualities of =
>>>each. I like=20
>>>the plates longer</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>decays much of the time but very =
>>>softly. The=20
>>>room can</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get dense and flutter too much if =
>>>you're not=20
>>>careful.</FONT></DIV>
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Fri, 15 June 2007 05:13 |
Bill L
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">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"news:46945223$1@linux">news:46945223$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Than=
>>>ks=20
>>> Tom<BR><BR>Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something=20
>>> else?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Dale<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dale,<BR>>I like to do that too for a =
>>>richer=20
>>> reverb. Just run both a<BR>>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>busses and=20
>>> mix them<BR>>together. Don't get too loud with either and it =
>>>will be=20
>>> sweet.<BR>>I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out =
>>>some=20
>>> mids<BR>>more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal =
>>>or=20
>>> sometimes=3D20<BR>>snare.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> "dale" =
>>><<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>=20
>>> wrote in message =
>>>=3D<BR>>news:4693eb6a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Rick,=20
>>> can you elaborate on how to do this?<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>>>rick <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>> >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo =
>>>of those=20
>>> available.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >On =
>>>10 Jul=20
>>> 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>> =
>>>wrote:<BR>> =20
>>> ><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>>>>LaMont--<BR>> =20
>>> >>i agree--<BR>> >>though i have received some =
>>>criticism=20
>>> about the room reverb--<BR>> >>i'm an ancient user and =
>>>don't=20
>>> have any plug-ins or revised<BR>> >>FX for the room=20
>>> rev.--<BR>> >>any suggestions?<BR>> =20
>>> >>thanks<BR>> >>jp<BR>> =
>>>>><BR>> =20
>>> >>"LaMOnt" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>As I've =
>>>and other=20
>>> have been making our way thru the new analog =
>>>=3D<BR>>botique<BR>> =20
>>> plugins,<BR>> >>>I'm even more resolved in stating =
>>>that=20
>>> Paris FX are were stellar.<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>> >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. =
>>>The Plate=20
>>> =3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
>>>Delays are=20
>>> right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and =
>>>is<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> =20
>>> >>Comp..<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
>>>Waves new=20
>>> vintage plugs setting the new<BR>=3D<BR>>standards<BR>> =20
>>> >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are =
>>>still=20
>>> =3D<BR>>holding<BR>> it's<BR>> >>>own =
>>>with the=20
>>> best of them..<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I =
>>>choose=20
>>> Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
>>> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
>>> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
>>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
>>> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>>>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
>>> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
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>>>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>>>D><BR>><BODY=20
>>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>> =
>>>size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a richer =
>>>=3D<BR>>reverb.=20
>>> =3D20<BR>>Just run both =
>>>a</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux busses=20
>>> =
>>>and<BR>=3D<BR>>mix=3D20<BR>>them</FONT></DIV><BR >>&l=
>>>t;DIV><FONT=20
>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud with=20
>>> =3D<BR>>either and=3D20<BR>>it will be=20
>>> sweet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>> size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of the =3D<BR>>plate to=20
>>> notch=3D20<BR>>out some=20
>>> mids</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>> size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves a =3D<BR>>whole=20
>>> for=3D20<BR>>the vocal or sometimes=20
>>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>> =
>>>size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
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>>>size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=20
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| Re: most versatile guitar [message #86667 is a reply to message #86629] |
Fri, 15 June 2007 05:37 |
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>>>0px;=20
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>>>2px solid;=20
>>> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"dale"=20
>>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D'mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A'=
>>>>mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A</=
>>>A>>=3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D'news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Rick=
>>>'>news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>>>;<BR>Rick</A>=3D<BR>>,=20
>>> can=3D20<BR>> you elaborate on how to do=20
>>> this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20<BR>> =
>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D'mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20'>ma=
>>>ilto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20</=
>>>A><BR>> =20
>>> wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of=20
>>> those=3D20<BR>> =
>>>available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On=20
>>> 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =
>>>=3D<BR>><<A=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D'mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto:jpj@jpj=
>>>ones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>> =20
>>> =
>>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>=
>>>;>>i=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about =
>>>the=20
>>> =3D<BR>>room=3D20<BR>> reverb--<BR>>>i'm an =
>>>ancient user=20
>>> and don't have any plug-ins or =3D<BR>><BR>> =20
>>> revised<BR>>>FX for the room=20
>>> rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> =
>>>=3D<BR>>suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR=
>>>>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D<BR>>nt"=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> <<A =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D'mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20'>mail=
>>>to:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20</A><B=
>>>R>> =20
>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other =
>>>have been=20
>>> =3D<BR>>making our=3D20<BR>> way thru the new analog=20
>>> botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even=20
>>> =3D<BR>>more=3D20<BR>> resolved in stating that Paris FX =
>>>are=20
>>> were=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 =
>>>band) is=20
>>> very =3D<BR>>good for=3D20<BR>> most applications. The =
>>>Plate=20
>>> verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays=20
>>> =3D<BR>>are=3D20<BR>> right up with the best. The Gate is =
>>>cool, and=20
>>> is=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> =
>>>=3D<BR>>the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>=
>>>;>><BR>>>>With=3D<BR>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the=20
>>> new=3D20<BR>> standards<BR>>>>in plugins =
>>>modeling,=20
>>> Paris's plugins after 10 =3D<BR>>years=3D20<BR>> are still =
>>>
>>> holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best=20
>>> of=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> =
>>>them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><F=
>>>ONT=20
>>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>spam,=20
>>> =
>>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
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>Hmmmm........the I/O busses can be saved, but the external FX are constant
from project to project so that sorta' doesn't make sense to me, but then
again it might.......sorta.......maybe............I guess. I'm fried tonight
so I've shut it down.
BTW......there's a Neve Portico tape emulator on Gearslutz for $1200.00
right now (or at least there was last night). You need this.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@.com> wrote in message news:4694660a$1@linux...
>
> May I suggest something?
>
> OK, I'm using my system as an example here since you & I have
> different convertor sets, but follow for a moment & maybe this
> will help if you apply similar principals to your setup...
>
> I have two Multifaces... let's say I have various
> inputs on Multiface #1 assigned to INPUTS as follows in
> the "VST Connections" dialogue:
>
> Multiface ch1 = Mono Input/Kick
> MF Ch 2 = Mono Input/Snare
> MF Ch 3 = Mono Input/Hat
> MF Ch 4 = Mono Input/Cowbell & digital cowbell sample triggers
> MF Ch's 5&6 = Stereo Input/OH's
> MF Ch's 7&8 = Stereo Input/Drum Room-Ambience Mics
> MF Ch's 9&10 = (SPDIF/Not used in this scenario)
> MF Ch's 11 to 14 = ADAT (Lightpipe) inputs used for 4 tom mics.
>
> ... and the only OUTputs you have assigned are:
> MF Ch's 1&2 (OUTPUTS) = main monitors
>
> OK, so that wipes out ALL the inputs except for SPDIF in the
> first Multiface, yes? All the other inputs would have to be
> routed through the 2nd Multiface in this scenario... here's the
> thing... when you get to mixdown & external EFX routing, let's
> say you want your VST connections to look like this on your
> first (Master!!!) Multiface - i.e the same one as above:
>
> MF Ch's 1&2 OUTPUTS = main monitors (no change there)
> MF Ch 3 OUTPUT = send to external EFX/Distressor on vox track
> MF Ch 3 INPUT = return from external EFX/Distressor on vox track
> MF Ch 4 OUTPUT = send to external EFX/Massenburg EQ on kik
> MF Ch 4 INPUT = return from external EFX/Massenburg EQ on kik
> MF Ch's 5&6 OUTPUTS = send to external Lexi 480L, Engine "A"
> MF Ch's 5&6 INPUTS = return from external Lexi 480L, Engine "A"
> MF Ch's 7&8 OUTPUTS = send to external Lexi 480L, Engine "B"
> MF Ch's 7&8 INPUTS = return from external Lexi 480L, Engine "B"
> MF CH's 9&10 OUTPUTS = SPDIF to Quantec Yardstick IN's/Sends
> MF CH's 9&10 INPUTS = SPDIF to Quantec Yardstick OUTS/Returns
> <lightpipes not used in mixdown in this example>
>
> Quite a bit different routing scenario than the one you used for
> tracking, yes? I suspect what's happening is that you're not
> saving your VST connections routing - if that's the case, every
> time you open up a project it'll take you to the last "saved"
> version, including any routing changes you've made & saved,
> but NOT any routing changes you've made, but not saved!
>
> You can save these routing/patching changes in one of two ways:
>
> 1.) set up all your routing for your patching & external EFX,
> and make sure you save the project again once you do that
> (either under a new project name or just overwrite what you've
> got... I tend to save under a new name in case I fuck anything
> up - or simply hate what I've done - and need to go back :) )
>
> 2.) Save your routing scenarios in the "VST Connections"
> dialogue... there's an option that let's you save those...
> you could go from:
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-BasicTrackRouting", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-OverdubRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-VocalOverdubs", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingB"
>
> Now, it's true I have SX3 and you have C4, but I would bet it's
> the same basic idea. Got it? Kewl?
>
> Let us know if that works for you.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>Every time I close a project and then reopen it, various patches to my
>>external gear are disabled.....especially prevalent on the inputs, but not
>
>>always, and sometimes the outputs are reassigned to different ones. I
>>never
>
>>know what I'm going to be faces with when I recall a project. Sometimes
> it
>>takes me 10-15 minutes just hunt everything down to repatch.
>>
>>This really sucks........and I mean to the point that I'm about to kick
> this
>>damn thing out the window. Does Nuendo do this too? I need to be able to
>
>>save a project with AD/DA's assigned to external processors and be able
> to
>>recall it.......CONSISTENTLY!!!. This **FUCKING POS** is about to PISS ME
>
>>OFF!!!!!
>>
>>
>DJ - I would bet this is what is happening as well. I/O assignments are
global, not on a per project basis.
In N3 this is the only reason I end up with re-routed I/O - the reason being
that your default or last project may have a different setup and in order to
accommodate regular I/O assignments, external gear is taken offline Saving
your I/O assignments, including CR setup can be a lifesaver, assuming this
is the problem you are seeing.
Do note that the two (VST I/O and the control room config) are separate and
you need to save both, even though they will impact one another when
allocating I/O (if you use the Control Room at least - it is *not* saved
with the I/O presets at the moment, though I think it should).
This is also one feature I would ask for in N4/C4.x - I/O and Control Rooms
settings saved with each project, in addition to retaining global preset
list/default setting option.
Hope that solves the problem DJ - I know rerouting is massively frustrating.
Regards,
Dedric
On 7/10/07 11:09 PM, in article 4694660a$1@linux, "Neil" <OIUOIU@.com>
wrote:
>
> May I suggest something?
>
> OK, I'm using my system as an example here since you & I have
> different convertor sets, but follow for a moment & maybe this
> will help if you apply similar principals to your setup...
>
> I have two Multifaces... let's say I have various
> inputs on Multiface #1 assigned to INPUTS as follows in
> the "VST Connections" dialogue:
>
> Multiface ch1 = Mono Input/Kick
> MF Ch 2 = Mono Input/Snare
> MF Ch 3 = Mono Input/Hat
> MF Ch 4 = Mono Input/Cowbell & digital cowbell sample triggers
> MF Ch's 5&6 = Stereo Input/OH's
> MF Ch's 7&8 = Stereo Input/Drum Room-Ambience Mics
> MF Ch's 9&10 = (SPDIF/Not used in this scenario)
> MF Ch's 11 to 14 = ADAT (Lightpipe) inputs used for 4 tom mics.
>
> ... and the only OUTputs you have assigned are:
> MF Ch's 1&2 (OUTPUTS) = main monitors
>
> OK, so that wipes out ALL the inputs except for SPDIF in the
> first Multiface, yes? All the other inputs would have to be
> routed through the 2nd Multiface in this scenario... here's the
> thing... when you get to mixdown & external EFX routing, let's
> say you want your VST connections to look like this on your
> first (Master!!!) Multiface - i.e the same one as above:
>
> MF Ch's 1&2 OUTPUTS = main monitors (no change there)
> MF Ch 3 OUTPUT = send to external EFX/Distressor on vox track
> MF Ch 3 INPUT = return from external EFX/Distressor on vox track
> MF Ch 4 OUTPUT = send to external EFX/Massenburg EQ on kik
> MF Ch 4 INPUT = return from external EFX/Massenburg EQ on kik
> MF Ch's 5&6 OUTPUTS = send to external Lexi 480L, Engine "A"
> MF Ch's 5&6 INPUTS = return from external Lexi 480L, Engine "A"
> MF Ch's 7&8 OUTPUTS = send to external Lexi 480L, Engine "B"
> MF Ch's 7&8 INPUTS = return from external Lexi 480L, Engine "B"
> MF CH's 9&10 OUTPUTS = SPDIF to Quantec Yardstick IN's/Sends
> MF CH's 9&10 INPUTS = SPDIF to Quantec Yardstick OUTS/Returns
> <lightpipes not used in mixdown in this example>
>
> Quite a bit different routing scenario than the one you used for
> tracking, yes? I suspect what's happening is that you're not
> saving your VST connections routing - if that's the case, every
> time you open up a project it'll take you to the last "saved"
> version, including any routing changes you've made & saved,
> but NOT any routing changes you've made, but not saved!
>
> You can save these routing/patching changes in one of two ways:
>
> 1.) set up all your routing for your patching & external EFX,
> and make sure you save the project again once you do that
> (either under a new project name or just overwrite what you've
> got... I tend to save under a new name in case I fuck anything
> up - or simply hate what I've done - and need to go back :) )
>
> 2.) Save your routing scenarios in the "VST Connections"
> dialogue... there's an option that let's you save those...
> you could go from:
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-BasicTrackRouting", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-OverdubRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-VocalOverdubs", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingB"
>
> Now, it's true I have SX3 and you have C4, but I would bet it's
> the same basic idea. Got it? Kewl?
>
> Let us know if that works for you.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> Every time I close a project and then reopen it, various patches to my
>> external gear are disabled.....especially prevalent on the inputs, but not
>
>> always, and sometimes the outputs are reassigned to different ones. I never
>
>> know what I'm going to be faces with when I recall a project. Sometimes
> it
>> takes me 10-15 minutes just hunt everything down to repatch.
>>
>> This really sucks........and I mean to the point that I'm about to kick
> this
>> damn thing out the window. Does Nuendo do this too? I need to be able to
>
>> save a project with AD/DA's assigned to external processors and be able
> to
>> recall it.......CONSISTENTLY!!!. This **FUCKING POS** is about to PISS ME
>
>> OFF!!!!!
>>
>>
>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Hmmmm........the I/O busses can be saved, but the external FX
>are constant from project to project so that sorta' doesn't
>make sense to me, but then again it Might.......sorta.......maybe............I
guess. I'm fried
tonight so I've shut it down.
OK, good - read it again & print it out in the morning lol
>BTW......there's a Neve Portico tape emulator on Gearslutz for
>$1200.00 right now (or at least there was last night). You
>need this.
Kewl, send me the link - though I may not need it, I think this
week I have found the "secret of glue" in Cubase :) :D) :D)
Kinda like "the Riddle of Steel" in Conan the Barbarian, but
different :D
NeilKim,
Yes, Wifi is pretty widely available, but bandwidth and cost may vary. I
think Starbucks is something like $25/month - no idea what the bandwidth is,
but last I recall an associate I was working with transferred a client video
preview of 250M or so in about 40 minutes from a Starbucks (not too fast,
esp if you are thinking of larger files than that). Don't know if they are
in LA, but Panerra Bread has free wifi, as do many other cafes, so really no
need to pay for Starbucks'. That's just what we have here in Colorado - LA
may have even better/more options.
The full mobile deals are a bit more per month - last I check I think it was
around $100/month and bandwidth was (I think) around 128k. Yes, the US
sucks for bandwidth allocation compared to the speeds the rest of the world
offers, at least for ADSL/broadband (20-24M Canada, Europe, Japan, etc -
1.5M if you are lucky in the US - stingy bunch we are, sigh...not sure about
wifi elsewhere).
Probably not the specifics you need, but a google for "Los Angeles wifi" may
be your best bet.
Regards,
Dedric
On 7/10/07 7:30 PM, in article 4694329f$1@linux, "Kim"
<hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm wanting info on how to transfer large files from around L.A. back to
> Australia on a tight time schedule. I hear there are plenty of Internet cafe's
> and stuff (Starbucks / McDonalds?) which have local wireless access these
> days over there. Just looking for an idea of how inconvenient it would be
> to transfer large files over the internet from "on the street"?
>
> We're hoping to be able to get the files within a fairly short time frame.
>
> Any info on the availability of wireless internet over there would be
> appreciated,
> both in cafe's etc, and/or full mobile coverage deals. Is there anybody who
> offers a cheap deal for mobile internet from a laptop covering the city?
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.What did he say??
If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
if they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:469414e4$1@linux...
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> Was Sting really insulting America and Americans or was he questioning
>>>> American government policy at the time? Since some people cheered him
>>>> while others apparently felt horribly insulted by both Sting and the
>>>> cheerers, I'll bet it was merely the latter.
>>>>
>>> He was insulting america and americans.
>> What did he say?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
> I don't go to concerts to hear people talk about politics. I never go back
> to see a band that starts spouting political rhetoric onstage......except I
> *would* go back and see Eddie Izzard......but he's not a musician.
>
> ;o)
>
>I find that the rooms work much better in the whole mix than you
expect them to from what they sound like soloed.
DC
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I'm a big Non-Linear fan. I like the plates, but the room's I'm finding
I
>steer away from mostly. The Non-Linear is very handy, and I'd be interested
>to see what I can do combining it with a plate...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Neil" <OUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>IMO, always thought the rooms suck bigtime... the Plates are
>>great, though.... stick with the Plates & minimal early
>>reflections, and expand the HF rolloff so that it's not too
>>dark & you'll be a happy camper!
>>
>>For rooms, go find another plugin.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Dale,
>>>Paris Plate is mono in so post pan won't matter nor
>>>will it hurt. Paris Room is stereo in so that might help
>>>to maintain post pan settings. The key is to 'blend' the
>>>two to help sculpt the ambience around your source.
>>>Use the best qualities of each. I like the plates longer
>>>decays much of the time but very softly. The room can
>>>get dense and flutter too much if you're not careful.
>>>Just play with small amounts and mix them to enhance
>>>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums or whatever.
>>>
>>>It's always a crap shoot.
>>>Crap,
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:46945223$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Thanks Tom
>>>
>>> Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something else?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Dale,
>>> >I like to do that too for a richer reverb. Just run both a
>>> >room and a plate in two aux busses and mix them
>>> >together. Don't get too loud with either and it will be sweet.
>>> >I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out some mids
>>> >more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal or =
>>>sometimes=3D20
>>> >snare.
>>> >Tom
>>> >
>>> > "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =3D
>>> >news:4693eb6a$1@linux...
>>> >
>>> > Rick, can you elaborate on how to do this?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of those available.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >>LaMont--
>>> > >>i agree--
>>> > >>though i have received some criticism about the room reverb--
>>> > >>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or revised
>>> > >>FX for the room rev.--
>>> > >>any suggestions?
>>> > >>thanks
>>> > >>jp
>>> > >>
>>> > >>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>As I've and other have been making our way thru the new analog
>=
>>>=3D
>>> >botique
>>> > plugins,
>>> > >>>I'm even more resolved in stating that Paris FX are were =
>>>stellar.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. The =
>>>Plate =3D
>>> >verb
>>> > adn
>>> > >>>Chorus, Delays are right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and
>>=
>>>is
>>> =3D
>>> >the
>>> > >>Comp..
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the
>>=
>>>new
>>> =3D
>>> >standards
>>> > >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are still
=
>>>=3D
>>> >holding
>>> > it's
>>> > >>>own with the best of them..
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>> >
>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
>>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>>> ></HEAD>
>>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a =
>>>richer =3D
>>> >reverb. =3D20
>>> >Just run both a</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>busses and
>>> =3D
>>> >mix=3D20
>>> >them</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud
=
>>>with =3D
>>> >either and=3D20
>>> >it will be sweet.</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of
>>=
>>>the =3D
>>> >plate to notch=3D20
>>> >out some mids</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves
>>=
>>>a =3D
>>> >whole for=3D20
>>> >the vocal or sometimes </FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>> ><DIV> </DIV>
>>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>>> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>=
>>>=3D
>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> > <DIV>"dale" <<A=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com<=
>>>/A>=3D
>>> >>=3D20
>>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>R=
>>>ick=3D
>>> >, can=3D20
>>> > you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20
>>> > =
>>>href=3D3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20
>>> > wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of =
>>>those=3D20
>>> > available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =3D
>>> ><<A=3D20
>>> > href=3D3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20
>>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=3D20
>>> > agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =3D
>>> >room=3D20
>>> > reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or
=
>>>=3D
>>> >
>>> > revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> >suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D
>>> >nt"=3D20
>>> > <<A =3D
>>> >href=3D3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20
>>> > wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other have been =3D
>>> >making our=3D20
>>> > way thru the new analog botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even =3D
>>> >more=3D20
>>> > resolved in stating that Paris FX are were=3D20
>>> > stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very =3D
>>> >good for=3D20
>>> > most applications. The Plate verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays =3D
>>> >are=3D20
>>> > right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is=3D20
>>> > =3D
>>> >the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>With=3D
>>> >=3D20
>>> > UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new=3D20
>>> > standards<BR>>>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 =3D
>>> >years=3D20
>>> > are still holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best of=3D20
>>> > them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>spam, =3D
>>> >and=3D20
>>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>>fer=3D
>>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
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>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris Plate is mono in so =
>>>post pan won't=20
>>>matter nor</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will it hurt. Paris Room is =
>>>stereo in so that=20
>>>might help</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to maintain post pan settings. =
>>>The key is to=20
>>>'blend' the</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two to help sculpt the ambience around
>>=
>>>your=20
>>>source.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Use the best qualities of =
>>>each. I like=20
>>>the plates longer</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>decays much of the time but very =
>>>softly. The=20
>>>room can</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get dense and flutter too much if =
>>>you're not=20
>>>careful.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just play with small amounts and mix
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>>>them to=20
>>>enhance</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums
>>=
>>>or=20
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>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's always a crap shoot.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"dale" <<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"news:46945223$1@linux">news:46945223$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Than=
>>>ks=20
>>> Tom<BR><BR>Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something=20
>>> else?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Dale<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dale,<BR>>I like to do that too for a =
>>>richer=20
>>> reverb. Just run both a<BR>>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>busses and=20
>>> mix them<BR>>together. Don't get too loud with either and it =
>>>will be=20
>>> sweet.<BR>>I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out =
>>>some=20
>>> mids<BR>>more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal =
>>>or=20
>>> sometimes=3D20<BR>>snare.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> "dale" =
>>><<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>=20
>>> wrote in message =
>>>=3D<BR>>news:4693eb6a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Rick,=20
>>> can you elaborate on how to do this?<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>>>rick <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>> >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo =
>>>of those=20
>>> available.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >On =
>>>10 Jul=20
>>> 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>> =
>>>wrote:<BR>> =20
>>> ><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>>>>LaMont--<BR>> =20
>>> >>i agree--<BR>> >>though i have received some =
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>>> have any plug-ins or revised<BR>> >>FX for the room=20
>>> rev.--<BR>> >>any suggestions?<BR>> =20
>>> >>thanks<BR>> >>jp<BR>> =
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>>> >>"LaMOnt" <<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>As I've =
>>>and other=20
>>> have been making our way thru the new analog =
>>>=3D<BR>>botique<BR>> =20
>>> plugins,<BR>> >>>I'm even more resolved in stating =
>>>that=20
>>> Paris FX are were stellar.<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>> >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. =
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>>> =3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
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>>> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
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>>> =
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>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other =
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>>> were=3D20<BR>> =20
>>> stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 =
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>>> very =3D<BR>>good for=3D20<BR>> most applications. The =
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>>> UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the=20
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>>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>spam,=20
>>> =
>>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>>>=3D<BR>>.html</A> =20
>>> =
>>></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></=
>>>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Neil you are the free plug master!
Where was this in your "Here are a few of my favourite (free) things" post?
Not out yet?
Cheers,
Kim.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>You want some high-quality non-lin??? You can make whatever you
>want with this thing:
>
>http://www.quikquak.com/downloads.html
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I'm a big Non-Linear fan. I like the plates, but the room's I'm finding
>I
>>steer away from mostly. The Non-Linear is very handy, and I'd be interested
>>to see what I can do combining it with a plate...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Neil" <OUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>IMO, always thought the rooms suck bigtime... the Plates are
>>>great, though.... stick with the Plates & minimal early
>>>reflections, and expand the HF rolloff so that it's not too
>>>dark & you'll be a happy camper!
>>>
>>>For rooms, go find another plugin.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dale,
>>>>Paris Plate is mono in so post pan won't matter nor
>>>>will it hurt. Paris Room is stereo in so that might help
>>>>to maintain post pan settings. The key is to 'blend' the
>>>>two to help sculpt the ambience around your source.
>>>>Use the best qualities of each. I like the plates longer
>>>>decays much of the time but very softly. The room can
>>>>get dense and flutter too much if you're not careful.
>>>>Just play with small amounts and mix them to enhance
>>>>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums or whatever.
>>>>
>>>>It's always a crap shoot.
>>>>Crap,
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
>>>>news:46945223$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Tom
>>>>
>>>> Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something else?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Dale,
>>>> >I like to do that too for a richer reverb. Just run both a
>>>> >room and a plate in two aux busses and mix them
>>>> >together. Don't get too loud with either and it will be sweet.
>>>> >I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out some mids
>>>> >more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal or =
>>>>sometimes=3D20
>>>> >snare.
>>>> >Tom
>>>> >
>>>> > "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =3D
>>>> >news:4693eb6a$1@linux...
>>>> >
>>>> > Rick, can you elaborate on how to do this?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of those available.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>LaMont--
>>>> > >>i agree--
>>>> > >>though i have received some criticism about the room reverb--
>>>> > >>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or revised
>>>> > >>FX for the room rev.--
>>>> > >>any suggestions?
>>>> > >>thanks
>>>> > >>jp
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>As I've and other have been making our way thru the new analog
>>=
>>>>=3D
>>>> >botique
>>>> > plugins,
>>>> > >>>I'm even more resolved in stating that Paris FX are were =
>>>>stellar.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. The =
>>>>Plate =3D
>>>> >verb
>>>> > adn
>>>> > >>>Chorus, Delays are right up with the best. The Gate is cool,
and
>>>=
>>>>is
>>>> =3D
>>>> >the
>>>> > >>Comp..
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the
>>>=
>>>>new
>>>> =3D
>>>> >standards
>>>> > >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are still
>=
>>>>=3D
>>>> >holding
>>>> > it's
>>>> > >>>own with the best of them..
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>> >
>>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>>>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>>>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>>>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
>>>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>> ></HEAD>
>>>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a =
>>>>richer =3D
>>>> >reverb. =3D20
>>>> >Just run both a</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>>busses and
>>>> =3D
>>>> >mix=3D20
>>>> >them</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud
>=
>>>>with =3D
>>>> >either and=3D20
>>>> >it will be sweet.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front
of
>>>=
>>>>the =3D
>>>> >plate to notch=3D20
>>>> >out some mids</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves
>>>=
>>>>a =3D
>>>> >whole for=3D20
>>>> >the vocal or sometimes </FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV> </DIV>
>>>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>>>> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>>=
>>>>=3D
>>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> > <DIV>"dale" <<A=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com<=
>>>>/A>=3D
>>>> >>=3D20
>>>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D3D"news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>R=
>>>>ick=3D
>>>> >, can=3D20
>>>> > you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20
>>>> > =
>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20
>>>> > wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of =
>>>>those=3D20
>>>> > available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =3D
>>>> ><<A=3D20
>>>> > href=3D3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20
>>>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=3D20
>>>> > agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =3D
>>>> >room=3D20
>>>> > reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or
>=
>>>>=3D
>>>> >
>>>> > revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> >suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D
>>>> >nt"=3D20
>>>> > <<A =3D
>>>> >href=3D3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20
>>>> > wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other have been =3D
>>>> >making our=3D20
>>>> > way thru the new analog botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even =3D
>>>> >more=3D20
>>>> > resolved in stating that Paris FX are were=3D20
>>>> > stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very =3D
>>>> >good for=3D20
>>>> > most applications. The Plate verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays =3D
>>>> >are=3D20
>>>> > right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> >the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>With=3D
>>>> >=3D20
>>>> > UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new=3D20
>>>> > standards<BR>>>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 =3D
>>>> >years=3D20
>>>> > are still holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best of=3D20
>>>> > them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight
=
>>>>spam, =3D
>>>> >and=3D20
>>>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>>>fer=3D
>>>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>></HEAD>
>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris Plate is mono in so =
>>>>post pan won't=20
>>>>matter nor</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will it hurt. Paris Room is =
>>>>stereo in so that=20
>>>>might help</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to maintain post pan settings. =
>>>>The key is to=20
>>>>'blend' the</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two to help sculpt the ambience around
>>>=
>>>>your=20
>>>>source.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Use the best qualities of =
>>>>each. I like=20
>>>>the plates longer</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>decays much of the time but very =
>>>>softly. The=20
>>>>room can</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get dense and flutter too much if =
>>>>you're not=20
>>>>careful.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just play with small amounts and mix
>=
>>>>them to=20
>>>>enhance</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums
>>>=
>>>>or=20
>>>>whatever.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's always a crap shoot.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap,</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV>"dale" <<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>=20
>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"news:46945223$1@linux">news:46945223$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Than=
>>>>ks=20
>>>> Tom<BR><BR>Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something=20
>>>> else?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Dale<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dale,<BR>>I like to do that too for a =
>>>>richer=20
>>>> reverb. Just run both a<BR>>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>>busses and=20
>>>> mix them<BR>>together. Don't get too loud with either and it =
>>>>will be=20
>>>> sweet.<BR>>I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out =
>>>>some=20
>>>> mids<BR>>more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal =
>>>>or=20
>>>> sometimes=3D20<BR>>snare.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> "dale" =
>>>><<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>=20
>>>> wrote in message =
>>>>=3D<BR>>news:4693eb6a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Rick,=20
>>>> can you elaborate on how to do this?<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>>>>rick <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>> >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo =
>>>>of those=20
>>>> available.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >On =
>>>>10 Jul=20
>>>> 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>> =
>>>>wrote:<BR>> =20
>>>> ><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>>>>>LaMont--<BR>> =20
>>>> >>i agree--<BR>> >>though i have received some =
>>>>criticism=20
>>>> about the room reverb--<BR>> >>i'm an ancient user and =
>>>>don't=20
>>>> have any plug-ins or revised<BR>> >>FX for the room=20
>>>> rev.--<BR>> >>any suggestions?<BR>> =20
>>>> >>thanks<BR>> >>jp<BR>> =
>>>>>><BR>> =20
>>>> >>"LaMOnt" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>As I've =
>>>>and other=20
>>>> have been making our way thru the new analog =
>>>>=3D<BR>>botique<BR>> =20
>>>> plugins,<BR>> >>>I'm even more resolved in stating =
>>>>that=20
>>>> Paris FX are were stellar.<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>> >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. =
>>>>The Plate=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
>>>>Delays are=20
>>>> right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and =
>>>>is<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> =20
>>>> >>Comp..<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
>>>>Waves new=20
>>>> vintage plugs setting the new<BR>=3D<BR>>standards<BR>> =20
>>>> >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are =
>>>>still=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>holding<BR>> it's<BR>> >>>own =
>>>>with the=20
>>>> best of them..<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I =
>>>>choose=20
>>>> Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
>>>> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
>>>> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
>>>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>>>>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
>>>> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
>>>> =
>>>>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>>>>D><BR>><BODY=20
>>>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> =
>>>>size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a richer =
>>>>=3D<BR>>reverb.=20
>>>> =3D20<BR>>Just run both =
>>>>a</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux busses=20
>>>> =
>>>>and<BR>=3D<BR>>mix=3D20<BR>>them</FONT></DIV><BR >>&l=
>>>>t;DIV><FONT=20
>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud with=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>either and=3D20<BR>>it will be=20
>>>> sweet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of the =3D<BR>>plate to=20
>>>> notch=3D20<BR>>out some=20
>>>> mids</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves a =3D<BR>>whole=20
>>>> for=3D20<BR>>the vocal or sometimes=20
>>>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> =
>>>>size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>
>>>> face=3D3DArial =
>>>>size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=20
>>>> =
>>>></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =
>>>>0px;=20
>>>> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
>>>>2px solid;=20
>>>> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"dale"=20
>>>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A'=
>>>>>mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A</=
>>>>A>>=3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Rick=
>>>>'>news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>>>>;<BR>Rick</A>=3D<BR>>,=20
>>>> can=3D20<BR>> you elaborate on how to do=20
>>>> this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20<BR>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20'>ma=
>>>>ilto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20</=
>>>>A><BR>> =20
>>>> wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of=20
>>>> those=3D20<BR>> =
>>>>available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On=20
>>>> 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =
>>>>=3D<BR>><<A=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto:jpj@jpj=
>>>>ones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>=
>>>>;>>i=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about =
>>>>the=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>room=3D20<BR>> reverb--<BR>>>i'm an =
>>>>ancient user=20
>>>> and don't have any plug-ins or =3D<BR>><BR>> =20
>>>> revised<BR>>>FX for the room=20
>>>> rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>=3D<BR>>suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR=
>>>>>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D<BR>>nt"=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> <<A =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20'>mail=
>>>>to:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20</A><B=
>>>>R>> =20
>>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other =
>>>>have been=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>making our=3D20<BR>> way thru the new analog=20
>>>> botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>more=3D20<BR>> resolved in stating that Paris FX =
>>>>are=20
>>>> were=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 =
>>>>band) is=20
>>>> very =3D<BR>>good for=3D20<BR>> most applications. The =
>>>>Plate=20
>>>> verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>are=3D20<BR>> right up with the best. The Gate is =
>>>>cool, and=20
>>>> is=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>=3D<BR>>the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>=
>>>>;>><BR>>>>With=3D<BR>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the=20
>>>> new=3D20<BR>> standards<BR>>>>in plugins =
>>>>modeling,=20
>>>> Paris's plugins after 10 =3D<BR>>years=3D20<BR>> are still =
>>>>
>>>> holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best=20
>>>> of=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><F=
>>>>ONT=20
>>>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>>spam,=20
>>>> =
>>>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>>>>=3D<BR>>.html</A> =20
>>>> =
>>>></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></=
>>>>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Well, that's not a free one, Kimmers... that's a link to the
page where you can download a demo (which is a pretty decent
demo, full-featured, just has dropouts; which is much better
than the type that has limited features & you can't really tell
what it can do).
Also, don't know if I'd include that one in my "favorite"
plugins, regardless, because it's very CPU-expensive. I think
that takes it off the list of "Favorites", but it's definitely
very versatile & might be good for some sounds you're into.
Neil
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Neil you are the free plug master!
>
>Where was this in your "Here are a few of my favourite (free) things" post?
>Not out yet?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>You want some high-quality non-lin??? You can make whatever you
>>want with this thing:
>>
>>http://www.quikquak.com/downloads.html
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm a big Non-Linear fan. I like the plates, but the room's I'm finding
>>I
>>>steer away from mostly. The Non-Linear is very handy, and I'd be interested
>>>to see what I can do combining it with a plate...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>IMO, always thought the rooms suck bigtime... the Plates are
>>>>great, though.... stick with the Plates & minimal early
>>>>reflections, and expand the HF rolloff so that it's not too
>>>>dark & you'll be a happy camper!
>>>>
>>>>For rooms, go find another plugin.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dale,
>>>>>Paris Plate is mono in so post pan won't matter nor
>>>>>will it hurt. Paris Room is stereo in so that might help
>>>>>to maintain post pan settings. The key is to 'blend' the
>>>>>two to help sculpt the ambience around your source.
>>>>>Use the best qualities of each. I like the plates longer
>>>>>decays much of the time but very softly. The room can
>>>>>get dense and flutter too much if you're not careful.
>>>>>Just play with small amounts and mix them to enhance
>>>>>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's always a crap shoot.
>>>>>Crap,
>>>>>Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
>>>>>news:46945223$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Dale,
>>>>> >I like to do that too for a richer reverb. Just run both a
>>>>> >room and a plate in two aux busses and mix them
>>>>> >together. Don't get too loud with either and it will be sweet.
>>>>> >I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out some mids
>>>>> >more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal or =
>>>>>sometimes=3D20
>>>>> >snare.
>>>>> >Tom
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =3D
>>>>> >news:4693eb6a$1@linux...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Rick, can you elaborate on how to do this?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of those available.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>LaMont--
>>>>> > >>i agree--
>>>>> > >>though i have received some criticism about the room reverb--
>>>>> > >>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or revised
>>>>> > >>FX for the room rev.--
>>>>> > >>any suggestions?
>>>>> > >>thanks
>>>>> > >>jp
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>As I've and other have been making our way thru the new analog
>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>> >botique
>>>>> > plugins,
>>>>> > >>>I'm even more resolved in stating that Paris FX are were =
>>>>>stellar.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. The
=
>>>>>Plate =3D
>>>>> >verb
>>>>> > adn
>>>>> > >>>Chorus, Delays are right up with the best. The Gate is cool,
>and
>>>>=
>>>>>is
>>>>> =3D
>>>>> >the
>>>>> > >>Comp..
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting
the
>>>>=
>>>>>new
>>>>> =3D
>>>>> >standards
>>>>> > >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are still
>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>> >holding
>>>>> > it's
>>>>> > >>>own with the best of them..
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>>> >
>>>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>>>>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
>>>>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>> ></HEAD>
>>>>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a
=
>>>>>richer =3D
>>>>> >reverb. =3D20
>>>>> >Just run both a</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux
=
>>>>>busses and
>>>>> =3D
>>>>> >mix=3D20
>>>>> >them</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud
>>=
>>>>>with =3D
>>>>> >either and=3D20
>>>>> >it will be sweet.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front
>of
>>>>=
>>>>>the =3D
>>>>> >plate to notch=3D20
>>>>> >out some mids</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves
>>>>=
>>>>>a =3D
>>>>> >whole for=3D20
>>>>> >the vocal or sometimes </FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>>> ><DIV> </DIV>
>>>>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>>>>> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>> > <DIV>"dale" <<A=3D20
>>>>> > =3D
>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com<=
>>>>>/A>=3D
>>>>> >>=3D20
>>>>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>>>>> > =3D
>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D3D"news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>R=
>>>>>ick=3D
>>>>> >, can=3D20
>>>>> > you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20
>>>>> > =
>>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20
>>>>> > wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of =
>>>>>those=3D20
>>>>> > available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =3D
>>>>> ><<A=3D20
>>>>> > href=3D3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20
>>>>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=3D20
>>>>> > agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =3D
>>>>> >room=3D20
>>>>> > reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or
>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>> >
>>>>> > revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20
>>>>> > =3D
>>>>> >suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D
>>>>> >nt"=3D20
>>>>> > <<A =3D
>>>>> >href=3D3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20
>>>>> > wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other have been =3D
>>>>> >making our=3D20
>>>>> > way thru the new analog botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even =3D
>>>>> >more=3D20
>>>>> > resolved in stating that Paris FX are were=3D20
>>>>> > stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very =3D
>>>>> >good for=3D20
>>>>> > most applications. The Plate verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays =3D
>>>>> >are=3D20
>>>>> > right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is=3D20
>>>>> > =3D
>>>>> >the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>With=3D
>>>>> >=3D20
>>>>> > UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new=3D20
>>>>> > standards<BR>>>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 =3D
>>>>> >years=3D20
>>>>> > are still holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best of=3D20
>>>>> > them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>>>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight
>=
>>>>>spam, =3D
>>>>> >and=3D20
>>>>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>>>>fer=3D
>>>>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>></HEAD>
>>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris Plate is mono in so =
>>>>>post pan won't=20
>>>>>matter nor</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will it hurt. Paris Room is =
>>>>>stereo in so that=20
>>>>>might help</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to maintain post pan settings. =
>>>>>The key is to=20
>>>>>'blend' the</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two to help sculpt the ambience around
>>>>=
>>>>>your=20
>>>>>source.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Use the best qualities of =
>>>>>each. I like=20
>>>>>the plates longer</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>decays much of the time but very =
>>>>>softly. The=20
>>>>>room can</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get dense and flutter too much if =
>>>>>you're not=20
>>>>>careful.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just play with small amounts and mix
>>=
>>>>>them to=20
>>>>>enhance</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums
>>>>=
>>>>>or=20
>>>>>whatever.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's always a crap shoot.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>> <DIV>"dale" <<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>>=20
>>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D"news:46945223$1@linux">news:46945223$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Than=
>>>>>ks=20
>>>>> Tom<BR><BR>Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something=20
>>>>> else?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Dale<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>>>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dale,<BR>>I like to do that too for a =
>>>>>richer=20
>>>>> reverb. Just run both a<BR>>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>>>busses and=20
>>>>> mix them<BR>>together. Don't get too loud with either and it =
>>>>>will be=20
>>>>> sweet.<BR>>I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out
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>>>>>some=20
>>>>> mids<BR>>more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal =
>>>>>or=20
>>>>> sometimes=3D20<BR>>snare.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> "dale" =
>>>>><<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>>=20
>>>>> wrote in message =
>>>>>=3D<BR>>news:4693eb6a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Rick,=20
>>>>> can you elaborate on how to do this?<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>>>>>rick <<A=20
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
>>>>> wrote:<BR>> >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo =
>>>>>of those=20
>>>>> available.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >On =
>>>>>10 Jul=20
>>>>> 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <<A=20
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>>>>> ><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>>>>>>LaMont--<BR>> =20
>>>>> >>i agree--<BR>> >>though i have received some =
>>>>>criticism=20
>>>>> about the room reverb--<BR>> >>i'm an ancient user and =
>>>>>don't=20
>>>>> have any plug-ins or revised<BR>> >>FX for the room=20
>>>>> rev.--<BR>> >>any suggestions?<BR>> =20
>>>>> >>thanks<BR>> >>jp<BR>> =
>>>>>>><BR>> =20
>>>>> >>"LaMOnt" <<A=20
>>>>> href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=20
>>>>> wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>As I've =
>>>>>and other=20
>>>>> have been making our way thru the new analog =
>>>>>=3D<BR>>botique<BR>> =20
>>>>> plugins,<BR>> >>>I'm even more resolved in stating =
>>>>>that=20
>>>>> Paris FX are were stellar.<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>>> >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. =
>>>>>The Plate=20
>>>>> =3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
>>>>>Delays are=20
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>>>>> >>Comp..<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>>> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
>>>>>Waves new=20
>>>>> vintage plugs setting the new<BR>=3D<BR>>standards<BR>> =20
>>>>> >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are =
>>>>>still=20
>>>>> =3D<BR>>holding<BR>> it's<BR>> >>>own =
>>>>>with the=20
>>>>> best of them..<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I =
>>>>>choose=20
>>>>> Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
>>>>> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
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>>>>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
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>>>>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
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>>>>> =3D20<BR>>Just run both =
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>>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux busses=20
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>>>>> size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves a =3D<BR>>whole=20
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>>>>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D'mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A'=
>>>>>>mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A</=
>>>>>A>>=3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D'news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Rick=
>>>>>'>news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
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>>>>> can=3D20<BR>> you elaborate on how to do=20
>>>>> this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20<BR>> =
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>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D'mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20'>ma=
>>>>>ilto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20</=
>>>>>A><BR>> =20
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of=20
>>>>> those=3D20<BR>> =
>>>>>available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On=20
>>>>> 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =
>>>>>=3D<BR>><<A=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D'mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto:jpj@jpj=
>>>>>ones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>> =20
>>>>> =
>>>>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>=
>>>>>;>>i=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about =
>>>>>the=20
>>>>> =3D<BR>>room=3D20<BR>> reverb--<BR>>>i'm an =
>>>>>ancient user=20
>>>>> and don't have any plug-ins or =3D<BR>><BR>> =20
>>>>> revised<BR>>>FX for the room=20
>>>>> rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> =
>>>>>=3D<BR>>suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR=
>>>>>>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D<BR>>nt"=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> <<A =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D'mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20'>mail=
>>>>>to:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20</A><B=
>>>>>R>> =20
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other =
>>>>>have been=20
>>>>> =3D<BR>>making our=3D20<BR>> way thru the new analog=20
>>>>> botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even=20
>>>>> =3D<BR>>more=3D20<BR>> resolved in stating that Paris FX =
>>>>>are=20
>>>>> were=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 =
>>>>>band) is=20
>>>>> very =3D<BR>>good for=3D20<BR>> most applications. The =
>>>>>Plate=20
>>>>> verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays=20
>>>>> =3D<BR>>are=3D20<BR>> right up with the best. The Gate is =
>>>>>cool, and=20
>>>>> is=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> =
>>>>>=3D<BR>>the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>=
>>>>>;>><BR>>>>With=3D<BR>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the=20
>>>>> new=3D20<BR>> standards<BR>>>>in plugins =
>>>>>modeling,=20
>>>>> Paris's plugins after 10 =3D<BR>>years=3D20<BR>> are still =
>>>>>
>>>>> holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best=20
>>>>> of=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>> =
>>>>>them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><F=
>>>>>ONT=20
>>>>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>>>spam,=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>>>>>=3D<BR>>.html</A> =20
>>>>> =
>>>>></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></=
>>>>>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>
>That, and flying the stars around to different continents....
>
>I also had a problem with the ads/psa's they were running that told
>everyone to buy their music as digital downloads because cd's are evil
>and destroy the environment.
None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
alleviate famine & starvation?
Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
NeilKim,
Try this:
http://www.wififreespot.com/ca.html
The price is right if nothing else. Also if you are at a hotel, many of
them have free wifi...it's supposedly mandated at Holiday Inn Express
Hotels, others a following suite.
Jeff
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Kim,
>
> Yes, Wifi is pretty widely available, but bandwidth and cost may vary. I
> think Starbucks is something like $25/month - no idea what the bandwidth is,
> but last I recall an associate I was working with transferred a client video
> preview of 250M or so in about 40 minutes from a Starbucks (not too fast,
> esp if you are thinking of larger files than that). Don't know if they are
> in LA, but Panerra Bread has free wifi, as do many other cafes, so really no
> need to pay for Starbucks'. That's just what we have here in Colorado - LA
> may have even better/more options.
>
> The full mobile deals are a bit more per month - last I check I think it was
> around $100/month and bandwidth was (I think) around 128k. Yes, the US
> sucks for bandwidth allocation compared to the speeds the rest of the world
> offers, at least for ADSL/broadband (20-24M Canada, Europe, Japan, etc -
> 1.5M if you are lucky in the US - stingy bunch we are, sigh...not sure about
> wifi elsewhere).
>
> Probably not the specifics you need, but a google for "Los Angeles wifi" may
> be your best bet.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 7/10/07 7:30 PM, in article 4694329f$1@linux, "Kim"
> <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>I'm wanting info on how to transfer large files from around L.A. back to
>>Australia on a tight time schedule. I hear there are plenty of Internet cafe's
>>and stuff (Starbucks / McDonalds?) which have local wireless access these
>>days over there. Just looking for an idea of how inconvenient it would be
>>to transfer large files over the internet from "on the street"?
>>
>>We're hoping to be able to get the files within a fairly short time frame.
>>
>>Any info on the availability of wireless internet over there would be
>>appreciated,
>>both in cafe's etc, and/or full mobile coverage deals. Is there anybody who
>>offers a cheap deal for mobile internet from a laptop covering the city?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>
>Not free? OutRAGEous! ;o)
I run pretty much entirely free plugs these days. I can't be bothered updating
any of the old ones I have, and between the Paris effects and freebies I
find I can get almost anything done I need to...
....but then I'm a kinda "8 track tape wasn't that bad" kinda guy... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Well, that's not a free one, Kimmers... that's a link to the
>page where you can download a demo (which is a pretty decent
>demo, full-featured, just has dropouts; which is much better
>than the type that has limited features & you can't really tell
>what it can do).
>
>Also, don't know if I'd include that one in my "favorite"
>plugins, regardless, because it's very CPU-expensive. I think
>that takes it off the list of "Favorites", but it's definitely
>very versatile & might be good for some sounds you're into.
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Neil you are the free plug master!
>>
>>Where was this in your "Here are a few of my favourite (free) things" post?
>>Not out yet?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You want some high-quality non-lin??? You can make whatever you
>>>want with this thing:
>>>
>>>http://www.quikquak.com/downloads.html
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm a big Non-Linear fan. I like the plates, but the room's I'm finding
>>>I
>>>>steer away from mostly. The Non-Linear is very handy, and I'd be interested
>>>>to see what I can do combining it with a plate...
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>IMO, always thought the rooms suck bigtime... the Plates are
>>>>>great, though.... stick with the Plates & minimal early
>>>>>reflections, and expand the HF rolloff so that it's not too
>>>>>dark & you'll be a happy camper!
>>>>>
>>>>>For rooms, go find another plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dale,
>>>>>>Paris Plate is mono in so post pan won't matter nor
>>>>>>will it hurt. Paris Room is stereo in so that might help
>>>>>>to maintain post pan settings. The key is to 'blend' the
>>>>>>two to help sculpt the ambience around your source.
>>>>>>Use the best qualities of each. I like the plates longer
>>>>>>decays much of the time but very softly. The room can
>>>>>>get dense and flutter too much if you're not careful.
>>>>>>Just play with small amounts and mix them to enhance
>>>>>>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums or whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's always a crap shoot.
>>>>>>Crap,
>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
>>>>>>news:46945223$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Dale,
>>>>>> >I like to do that too for a richer reverb. Just run both a
>>>>>> >room and a plate in two aux busses and mix them
>>>>>> >together. Don't get too loud with either and it will be sweet.
>>>>>> >I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out some mids
>>>>>> >more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal or =
>>>>>>sometimes=3D20
>>>>>> >snare.
>>>>>> >Tom
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =3D
>>>>>> >news:4693eb6a$1@linux...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Rick, can you elaborate on how to do this?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of those available.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>LaMont--
>>>>>> > >>i agree--
>>>>>> > >>though i have received some criticism about the room reverb--
>>>>>> > >>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or revised
>>>>>> > >>FX for the room rev.--
>>>>>> > >>any suggestions?
>>>>>> > >>thanks
>>>>>> > >>jp
>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>> > >>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>>As I've and other have been making our way thru the new analog
>>>>=
>>>>>>=3D
>>>>>> >botique
>>>>>> > plugins,
>>>>>> > >>>I'm even more resolved in stating that Paris FX are were =
>>>>>>stellar.
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. The
>=
>>>>>>Plate =3D
>>>>>> >verb
>>>>>> > adn
>>>>>> > >>>Chorus, Delays are right up with the best. The Gate is cool,
>>and
>>>>>=
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>> >the
>>>>>> > >>Comp..
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>> > >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting
>the
>>>>>=
>>>>>>new
>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>> >standards
>>>>>> > >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are still
>>>=
>>>>>>=3D
>>>>>> >holding
>>>>>> > it's
>>>>>> > >>>own with the best of them..
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>>>>>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>> ></HEAD>
>>>>>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a
>=
>>>>>>richer =3D
>>>>>> >reverb. =3D20
>>>>>> >Just run both a</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux
>=
>>>>>>busses and
>>>>>> =3D
>>>>>> >mix=3D20
>>>>>> >them</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud
>>>=
>>>>>>with =3D
>>>>>> >either and=3D20
>>>>>> >it will be sweet.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front
>>of
>>>>>=
>>>>>>the =3D
>>>>>> >plate to notch=3D20
>>>>>> >out some mids</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves
>>>>>=
>>>>>>a =3D
>>>>>> >whole for=3D20
>>>>>> >the vocal or sometimes </FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>> ><DIV> </DIV>
>>>>>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>>>>>> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>>>>=
>>>>>>=3D
>>>>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>>> > <DIV>"dale" <<A=3D20
>>>>>> > =3D
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com<=
>>>>>>/A>=3D
>>>>>> >>=3D20
>>>>>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>>>>>> > =3D
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>href=3D3D"news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>R=
>>>>>>ick=3D
>>>>>> >, can=3D20
>>>>>> > you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20
>>>>>> > =
>>>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20
>>>>>> > wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of =
>>>>>>those=3D20
>>>>>> > available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =3D
>>>>>> ><<A=3D20
>>>>>> > href=3D3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20
>>>>>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=3D20
>>>>>> > agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =3D
>>>>>> >room=3D20
>>>>>> > reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins
or
>>>=
>>>>>>=3D
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20
>>>>>> > =3D
>>>>>> >suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D
>>>>>> >nt"=3D20
>>>>>> > <<A =3D
>>>>>> >href=3D3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20
>>>>>> > wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other have been =3D
>>>>>> >making our=3D20
>>>>>> > way thru the new analog botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even =3D
>>>>>> >more=3D20
>>>>>> > resolved in stating that Paris FX are were=3D20
>>>>>> > stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very =3D
>>>>>> >good for=3D20
>>>>>> > most applications. The Plate verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays
=3D
>>>>>> >are=3D20
>>>>>> > right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is=3D20
>>>>>> > =3D
>>>>>> >the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>With=3D
>>>>>> >=3D20
>>>>>> > UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new=3D20
>>>>>> > standards<BR>>>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10
=3D
>>>>>> >years=3D20
>>>>>> > are still holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best of=3D20
>>>>>> > them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>>>>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight
>>=
>>>>>>spam, =3D
>>>>>> >and=3D20
>>>>>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>>>>>fer=3D
>>>>>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>></HEAD>
>>>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris Plate is mono in so =
>>>>>>post pan won't=20
>>>>>>matter nor</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will it hurt. Paris Room is =
>>>>>>stereo in so that=20
>>>>>>might help</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to maintain post pan settings. =
>>>>>>The key is to=20
>>>>>>'blend' the</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two to help sculpt the ambience around
>>>>>=
>>>>>>your=20
>>>>>>source.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Use the best qualities of =
>>>>>>each. I like=20
>>>>>>the plates longer</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>decays much of the time but very =
>>>>>>softly. The=20
>>>>>>room can</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get dense and flutter too much if
=
>>>>>>you're not=20
>>>>>>careful.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just play with small amounts and mix
>>>=
>>>>>>them to=20
>>>>>>enhance</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums
>>>>>=
>>>>>>or=20
>>>>>>whatever.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's always a crap shoot.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>>> <DIV>"dale" <<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D"news:46945223$1@linux">news:46945223$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Than=
>>>>>>ks=20
>>>>>> Tom<BR><BR>Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something=20
>>>>>> else?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Dale<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>>>>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dale,<BR>>I like to do that too for a =
>>>>>>richer=20
>>>>>> reverb. Just run both a<BR>>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>>>>busses and=20
>>>>>> mix them<BR>>together. Don't get too loud with either and it =
>>>>>>will be=20
>>>>>> sweet.<BR>>I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out
>=
>>>>>>some=20
>>>>>> mids<BR>>more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal =
>>>>>>or=20
>>>>>> sometimes=3D20<BR>>snare.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> "dale" =
>>>>>><<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> wrote in message =
>>>>>>=3D<BR>>news:4693eb6a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Rick,=20
>>>>>> can you elaborate on how to do this?<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>>>>>>rick <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
>>>>>> wrote:<BR>> >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo =
>>>>>>of those=20
>>>>>> available.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >On =
>>>>>>10 Jul=20
>>>>>> 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>> =
>>>>>>wrote:<BR>> =20
>>>>>> ><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>>>>>>>LaMont--<BR>> =20
>>>>>> >>i agree--<BR>> >>though i have received some =
>>>>>>criticism=20
>>>>>> about the room reverb--<BR>> >>i'm an ancient user and =
>>>>>>don't=20
>>>>>> have any plug-ins or revised<BR>> >>FX for the room=20
>>>>>> rev.--<BR>> >>any suggestions?<BR>> =20
>>>>>> >>thanks<BR>> >>jp<BR>> =
>>>>>>>><BR>> =20
>>>>>> >>"LaMOnt" <<A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=20
>>>>>> wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>As I've =
>>>>>>and other=20
>>>>>> have been making our way thru the new analog =
>>>>>>=3D<BR>>botique<BR>> =20
>>>>>> plugins,<BR>> >>>I'm even more resolved in stating =
>>>>>>that=20
>>>>>> Paris FX are were stellar.<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>>>> >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. =
>>>>>>The Plate=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
>>>>>>Delays are=20
>>>>>> right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and =
>>>>>>is<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> =20
>>>>>> >>Comp..<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>>>> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
>>>>>>Waves new=20
>>>>>> vintage plugs setting the new<BR>=3D<BR>>standards<BR>> =20
>>>>>> >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are =
>>>>>>still=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>holding<BR>> it's<BR>> >>>own =
>>>>>>with the=20
>>>>>> best of them..<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I =
>>>>>>choose=20
>>>>>> Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
>>>>>> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>>>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
>>>>>> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
>>>>>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>>>>>>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
>>>>>> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>>>>>>D><BR>><BODY=20
>>>>>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a richer =
>>>>>>=3D<BR>>reverb.=20
>>>>>> =3D20<BR>>Just run both =
>>>>>>a</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux busses=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>and<BR>=3D<BR>>mix=3D20<BR>>them</FONT></DIV><BR >>&l=
>>>>>>t;DIV><FONT=20
>>>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud with=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>either and=3D20<BR>>it will be=20
>>>>>> sweet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>>>>> size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of the =3D<BR>>plate to=20
>>>>>> notch=3D20<BR>>out some=20
>>>>>> mids</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>>>>> size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves a =3D<BR>>whole=20
>>>>>> for=3D20<BR>>the vocal or sometimes=20
>>>>>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> face=3D3DArial =
>>>>>>size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =
>>>>>>0px;=20
>>>>>> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000
>=
>>>>>>2px solid;=20
>>>>>> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"dale"=20
>>>>>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D'mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A'=
>>>>>>>mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A</=
>>>>>>A>>=3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D'news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Rick=
>>>>>>'>news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>>>>>>;<BR>Rick</A>=3D<BR>>,=20
>>>>>> can=3D20<BR>> you elaborate on how to do=20
>>>>>> this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20<BR>> =
>>>>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D'mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20'>ma=
>>>>>>ilto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20</=
>>>>>>A><BR>> =20
>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of=20
>>>>>> those=3D20<BR>> =
>>>>>>available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On=20
>>>>>> 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =
>>>>>>=3D<BR>><<A=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D'mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto:jpj@jpj=
>>>>>>ones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>> =20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>=
>>>>>>;>>i=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about =
>>>>>>the=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>room=3D20<BR>> reverb--<BR>>>i'm an =
>>>>>>ancient user=20
>>>>>> and don't have any plug-ins or =3D<BR>><BR>> =20
>>>>>> revised<BR>>>FX for the room=20
>>>>>> rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>=3D<BR>>suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR=
>>>>>>>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D<BR>>nt"=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> <<A =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D'mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20'>mail=
>>>>>>to:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20</A><B=
>>>>>>R>> =20
>>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other =
>>>>>>have been=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>making our=3D20<BR>> way thru the new analog=20
>>>>>> botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>more=3D20<BR>> resolved in stating that Paris FX =
>>>>>>are=20
>>>>>> were=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 =
>>>>>>band) is=20
>>>>>> very =3D<BR>>good for=3D20<BR>> most applications. The =
>>>>>>Plate=20
>>>>>> verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays=20
>>>>>> =3D<BR>>are=3D20<BR>> right up with the best. The Gate is =
>>>>>>cool, and=20
>>>>>> is=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>=3D<BR>>the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>=
>>>>>>;>><BR>>>>With=3D<BR>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the=20
>>>>>> new=3D20<BR>> standards<BR>>>>in plugins =
>>>>>>modeling,=20
>>>>>> Paris's plugins after 10 =3D<BR>>years=3D20<BR>> are still =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best=20
>>>>>> of=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><F=
>>>>>>ONT=20
>>>>>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>>>>spam,=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>>>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>>>>>>=3D<BR>>.html</A> =20
>>>>>> =
>>>>>></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></=
>>>>>>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
"Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
keep family farmers on their land."
Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Neil wrote:
> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
> alleviate famine & starvation?
>
> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>
> NeilNo problems at all with "Room Machine" in Paris and WinXP for me. I'm using
"FXpansion VST-DX adapter 3.3" to find "Chainer" and "Chainer" to find the
VSTplugins in "Steinberg" and then opening "Room Machine" in "Chainer" who
is opened in "Native Plugins".
Erling
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> skrev i melding
news:469457b4@linux...
> Were you guys able to get Room Machine flying in Paris? That was another
> one that was showing the same kind of problems.
> AA
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46944104$1@linux...
>>
>> Yeah, I wrapped that one in fxpansion and no problems.
>> Rod
>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>VST-wrapper issues, maybe?
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>I never could get that one to run right on Paris. I don't remember
>>>>exactly
>>>
>>>>the deal, and it passed sound but as I recall it wouldn't save settings
>>>or
>>>>make any changes to the settings.
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46939de5$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Or RoomMachine844 from Silverspike.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Try a plug called Ambience
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jp wrote:
>>>>>>> LaMont--
>>>>>>> i agree--
>>>>>>> though i have received some criticism about the room reverb--
>>>>>>> i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or revised
>>>>>>> FX for the room rev.--
>>>>>>> any suggestions?
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> jp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As I've and other have been making our way thru the new analog
>>>>>>>> botique
>>>>> plugins,
>>>>>>>> I'm even more resolved in stating that Paris FX are were stellar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. The Plate
>> verb
>>>>> adn
>>>>>>>> Chorus, Delays are right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is
>>>the
>>>>>>> Comp..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new
>>>
>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>> in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are still
>>>>>>>> holding
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> own with the best of them..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>DJ did you try posting your rant to the Cubase forum or do you prefer to post
DAW questions to the competitors forums?
Cubase 4 is fantastic! Last night I was using the MEAP multi export and
had it automatically drop through 40 tracks and export them to individually
numbered + track name files. Yeah baby.
Is it possible you have built something too complex again?"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46946e3e$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>Hmmmm........the I/O busses can be saved, but the external FX
>>are constant from project to project so that sorta' doesn't
>>make sense to me, but then again it
>>Might.......sorta.......maybe............I
> guess. I'm fried
> tonight so I've shut it down.
>
> OK, good - read it again & print it out in the morning lol
>
>>BTW......there's a Neve Portico tape emulator on Gearslutz for
>>$1200.00 right now (or at least there was last night). You
>>need this.
>
> Kewl, send me the link - though I may not need it, I think this
> week I have found the "secret of glue" in Cubase :) :D) :D)
> Kinda like "the Riddle of Steel" in Conan the Barbarian, but
> different :D
>
> Neil
http://www.gearslutz.com:80/board/gearslutz-secondhand-gear- classifieds/133056-portico-5042-tape-emulator.html
Tell me about the glue
;o)"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4694be9e$1@linux...
>
> DJ did you try posting your rant to the Cubase forum or do you prefer to
> post
> DAW questions to the competitors forums?
>
> Cubase 4 is fantastic! Last night I was using the MEAP multi export and
> had it automatically drop through 40 tracks and export them to
> individually
> numbered + track name files. Yeah baby.
>
> Is it possible you have built something too complex again?
Hey John,
I don't post to the Cubase forum. It does absolutely no good. I post here
and get answers. I wouldn't exactly call Paris a competitor to
Cubase......more like a parallel universe........and yes, of course I may
have built something too complex. That's the meaning of life around here
;o). However, everything works disgustingly well, with the exception of
saving the I/O.
I'm going to look into this some more tonight.
;o)Hey. Mr. "I'll believe any press release someone of the same
mindset as me wants to isuue" :)
They've raised $30 Million & last year they granted-out $700k?
Typical "non-profit" org.
Neil
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
>
>"Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
>Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
>and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
>joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
>than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
>agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
>keep family farmers on their land."
>
>Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
>
> http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
>
>Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
>
>You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
>raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>Neil wrote:
>> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
>> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
>> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
>> alleviate famine & starvation?
>>
>> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
>> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
>> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>>
>> NeilOk Neil,
I have reread your post.
> 1.) set up all your routing for your patching & external EFX,
> and make sure you save the project again once you do that
> (either under a new project name or just overwrite what you've
> got... I tend to save under a new name in case I fuck anything
> up - or simply hate what I've done - and need to go back :) )
I have done this. Doesn't make any difference........probably
because........
> 2.) Save your routing scenarios in the "VST Connections"
> dialogue... there's an option that let's you save those...
> you could go from:
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-BasicTrackRouting", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-OverdubRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-VocalOverdubs", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingB"
I have not done this, but I will try it. I think herein may lie the
(Germaincally screwballishly logical) answer.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@.com> wrote in message news:4694660a$1@linux...
>
> May I suggest something?
>
> OK, I'm using my system as an example here since you & I have
> different convertor sets, but follow for a moment & maybe this
> will help if you apply similar principals to your setup...
>
> I have two Multifaces... let's say I have various
> inputs on Multiface #1 assigned to INPUTS as follows in
> the "VST Connections" dialogue:
>
> Multiface ch1 = Mono Input/Kick
> MF Ch 2 = Mono Input/Snare
> MF Ch 3 = Mono Input/Hat
> MF Ch 4 = Mono Input/Cowbell & digital cowbell sample triggers
> MF Ch's 5&6 = Stereo Input/OH's
> MF Ch's 7&8 = Stereo Input/Drum Room-Ambience Mics
> MF Ch's 9&10 = (SPDIF/Not used in this scenario)
> MF Ch's 11 to 14 = ADAT (Lightpipe) inputs used for 4 tom mics.
>
> ... and the only OUTputs you have assigned are:
> MF Ch's 1&2 (OUTPUTS) = main monitors
>
> OK, so that wipes out ALL the inputs except for SPDIF in the
> first Multiface, yes? All the other inputs would have to be
> routed through the 2nd Multiface in this scenario... here's the
> thing... when you get to mixdown & external EFX routing, let's
> say you want your VST connections to look like this on your
> first (Master!!!) Multiface - i.e the same one as above:
>
> MF Ch's 1&2 OUTPUTS = main monitors (no change there)
> MF Ch 3 OUTPUT = send to external EFX/Distressor on vox track
> MF Ch 3 INPUT = return from external EFX/Distressor on vox track
> MF Ch 4 OUTPUT = send to external EFX/Massenburg EQ on kik
> MF Ch 4 INPUT = return from external EFX/Massenburg EQ on kik
> MF Ch's 5&6 OUTPUTS = send to external Lexi 480L, Engine "A"
> MF Ch's 5&6 INPUTS = return from external Lexi 480L, Engine "A"
> MF Ch's 7&8 OUTPUTS = send to external Lexi 480L, Engine "B"
> MF Ch's 7&8 INPUTS = return from external Lexi 480L, Engine "B"
> MF CH's 9&10 OUTPUTS = SPDIF to Quantec Yardstick IN's/Sends
> MF CH's 9&10 INPUTS = SPDIF to Quantec Yardstick OUTS/Returns
> <lightpipes not used in mixdown in this example>
>
> Quite a bit different routing scenario than the one you used for
> tracking, yes? I suspect what's happening is that you're not
> saving your VST connections routing - if that's the case, every
> time you open up a project it'll take you to the last "saved"
> version, including any routing changes you've made & saved,
> but NOT any routing changes you've made, but not saved!
>
> You can save these routing/patching changes in one of two ways:
>
> 1.) set up all your routing for your patching & external EFX,
> and make sure you save the project again once you do that
> (either under a new project name or just overwrite what you've
> got... I tend to save under a new name in case I fuck anything
> up - or simply hate what I've done - and need to go back :) )
>
> 2.) Save your routing scenarios in the "VST Connections"
> dialogue... there's an option that let's you save those...
> you could go from:
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-BasicTrackRouting", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-OverdubRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-VocalOverdubs", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingA", to...
> "ScreamingOkapis-SongOfWorldPeace-MixdownRoutingB"
>
> Now, it's true I have SX3 and you have C4, but I would bet it's
> the same basic idea. Got it? Kewl?
>
> Let us know if that works for you.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>Every time I close a project and then reopen it, various patches to my
>>external gear are disabled.....especially prevalent on the inputs, but not
>
>>always, and sometimes the outputs are reassigned to different ones. I
>>never
>
>>know what I'm going to be faces with when I recall a project. Sometimes
> it
>>takes me 10-15 minutes just hunt everything down to repatch.
>>
>>This really sucks........and I mean to the point that I'm about to kick
> this
>>damn thing out the window. Does Nuendo do this too? I need to be able to
>
>>save a project with AD/DA's assigned to external processors and be able
> to
>>recall it.......CONSISTENTLY!!!. This **FUCKING POS** is about to PISS ME
>
>>OFF!!!!!
>>
>>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>
> What did he say??
>
> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>
> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However if
> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>
> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do listen
to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to hear
them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes me
is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
when the opposite is probably true.
;o)I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It was not
about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck, americans are
stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies are stupid
and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>What did he say??
>
>If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>
>I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>if they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>
>I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:469414e4$1@linux...
>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> Was Sting really insulting America and Americans or was he questioning
>>>>> American government policy at the time? Since some people cheered him
>>>>> while others apparently felt horribly insulted by both Sting and the
>>>>> cheerers, I'll bet it was merely the latter.
>>>>>
>>>> He was insulting america and americans.
>>> What did he say?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>
>> I don't go to concerts to hear people talk about politics. I never go
back
>> to see a band that starts spouting political rhetoric onstage......except
I
>> *would* go back and see Eddie Izzard......but he's not a musician.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>administrative expenses dude....... we've got to keep the "organizaion" paid
year 'round so that they will be around to do another one............
geez...........what a grouch......
(hehehe.....I wonder if they have incorporated)
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4694e94e$1@linux...
>
> Hey. Mr. "I'll believe any press release someone of the same
> mindset as me wants to isuue" :)
>
> They've raised $30 Million & last year they granted-out $700k?
>
> Typical "non-profit" org.
>
> Neil
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
>>
>>"Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
>
>>Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
>>and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
>>joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
>
>>than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
>
>>agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
>>keep family farmers on their land."
>>
>>Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
>>
>> http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
>>
>>Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
>>
>>You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
>>raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Neil wrote:
>>> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
>>> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
>>> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
>>> alleviate famine & starvation?
>>>
>>> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
>>> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
>>> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
> This is also one feature I would ask for in N4/C4.x - I/O and Control
> Rooms
> settings saved with each project, in addition to retaining global preset
> list/default setting option.
>
What astounds me is that it "wouldn't" do this by default. Unbelievable.
;oPNeil wrote:
> Hey. Mr. "I'll believe any press release someone of the same
> mindset as me wants to isuue" :)
>
> They've raised $30 Million & last year they granted-out $700k?
>
> Typical "non-profit" org.
Well, now you're changing the subject Mr. Eor. :^)
You asked "Did "Farm Aid" really help the farmers?"
Looking at the list of farmer organizations who received grants from
Farm Aid last year indicates that the answer is yes.
Now, this list is not just a "press release," it's a list of recipients
and the actual amounts they received. If you think their list is a pack
of lies, then report them. It can't be legal for a non-profit to publish
a false list.
As far as the "same mindset" assumption goes, I'm not sure I would agree
with Willie Nelson on a lot of topics.
But I can appreciate that Farm Aid paid out hundreds of thousands of
dollars to farm organizations last year, that it has been doing this for
over 20 years, and at least some of that money is likely to be doing
some good. It's a lot more than I'm doing for farmers so more power to
Willie on that.
You can quibble about the amount of overhead involved with putting on
concerts vs. the amount paid out but that's where you're changing the
subject. It probably means you think you could do better. I'll bet they
would appreciate the efforts of another volunteer, give 'em a call,
maybe you can find more ways to cut expenses.
In the mean time, just looking at their grants list indicates they are
actually doing something to help farmers, and that's a positive answer
your original question. Sorry to be so positive. ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Neil
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Hey, Mr. Negativity. Look here:
>>
>> "Willie Nelson, Neil Young and John Mellencamp organized the first Farm
>
>> Aid concert in 1985 to raise awareness about the loss of family farms
>> and to raise funds to keep farm families on their land. Dave Matthews
>> joined the Farm Aid Board of Directors in 2001. Farm Aid has raised more
>
>> than $30 million to promote a strong and resilient family farm system of
>
>> agriculture. Farm Aid is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to
>> keep family farmers on their land."
>>
>> Read about the $735,909 in 2006 grants here:
>>
>> http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.2723621/k.9C20/G rant_Program.htm
>>
>> Does any of that help the farmers? Judge for yourself.
>>
>> You might be right about the US festival, though. But rock concerts to
>> raise awareness, build community and raise money can actually work.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil wrote:
>>> None of these concerts really do anything... did the "Us
>>> Festival" bring us all together? Did "Farm Aid" really help the
>>> farmers? Did the whole "Feed the World" thing really help
>>> alleviate famine & starvation?
>>>
>>> Pffft... why bother - it's just a bunch of over-rich egotists
>>> trying to assuage their guilt for having something while other
>>> people are suffering... nothing ever really happens as a result.
>>>
>>> Neil
>If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
hang around this news group long. :^)
Apple sucks.
So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
Apple sucks more than Dell.
America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
current or past leaders, etc.
Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
better understood his point, whatever it was.
Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
I like my Mac.
Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
and be a catalyst for people to think.
It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
tradition.
It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>> What did he say??
>>
>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>
>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However if
>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>
>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do listen
> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to hear
> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes me
> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
> when the opposite is probably true.
>
> ;o)
>
>
James McCloskey wrote:
> I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
was not
> about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
americans are
> stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
are stupid
> and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>I use the Paris EDS room reverb "studio A" on stereo guitar tracks (from
pod), ride cymbal and hi hat. I use the plate for vocals.
Wayne
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4694700a$1@linux...
>
> I find that the rooms work much better in the whole mix than you
> expect them to from what they sound like soloed.
>
> DC
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I'm a big Non-Linear fan. I like the plates, but the room's I'm finding
> I
>>steer away from mostly. The Non-Linear is very handy, and I'd be
>>interested
>>to see what I can do combining it with a plate...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Neil" <OUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>IMO, always thought the rooms suck bigtime... the Plates are
>>>great, though.... stick with the Plates & minimal early
>>>reflections, and expand the HF rolloff so that it's not too
>>>dark & you'll be a happy camper!
>>>
>>>For rooms, go find another plugin.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dale,
>>>>Paris Plate is mono in so post pan won't matter nor
>>>>will it hurt. Paris Room is stereo in so that might help
>>>>to maintain post pan settings. The key is to 'blend' the
>>>>two to help sculpt the ambience around your source.
>>>>Use the best qualities of each. I like the plates longer
>>>>decays much of the time but very softly. The room can
>>>>get dense and flutter too much if you're not careful.
>>>>Just play with small amounts and mix them to enhance
>>>>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums or whatever.
>>>>
>>>>It's always a crap shoot.
>>>>Crap,
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
>>>>news:46945223$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Tom
>>>>
>>>> Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something else?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Dale,
>>>> >I like to do that too for a richer reverb. Just run both a
>>>> >room and a plate in two aux busses and mix them
>>>> >together. Don't get too loud with either and it will be sweet.
>>>> >I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out some mids
>>>> >more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal or =
>>>>sometimes=3D20
>>>> >snare.
>>>> >Tom
>>>> >
>>>> > "dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote in message =3D
>>>> >news:4693eb6a$1@linux...
>>>> >
>>>> > Rick, can you elaborate on how to do this?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of those available.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>LaMont--
>>>> > >>i agree--
>>>> > >>though i have received some criticism about the room reverb--
>>>> > >>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or revised
>>>> > >>FX for the room rev.--
>>>> > >>any suggestions?
>>>> > >>thanks
>>>> > >>jp
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>As I've and other have been making our way thru the new analog
>>=
>>>>=3D
>>>> >botique
>>>> > plugins,
>>>> > >>>I'm even more resolved in stating that Paris FX are were =
>>>>stellar.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. The =
>>>>Plate =3D
>>>> >verb
>>>> > adn
>>>> > >>>Chorus, Delays are right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and
>>>=
>>>>is
>>>> =3D
>>>> >the
>>>> > >>Comp..
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the
>>>=
>>>>new
>>>> =3D
>>>> >standards
>>>> > >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are still
> =
>>>>=3D
>>>> >holding
>>>> > it's
>>>> > >>>own with the best of them..
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>> >
>>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>>>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>>>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>>>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
>>>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>> ></HEAD>
>>>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a =
>>>>richer =3D
>>>> >reverb. =3D20
>>>> >Just run both a</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>>busses and
>>>> =3D
>>>> >mix=3D20
>>>> >them</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud
> =
>>>>with =3D
>>>> >either and=3D20
>>>> >it will be sweet.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of
>>>=
>>>>the =3D
>>>> >plate to notch=3D20
>>>> >out some mids</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves
>>>=
>>>>a =3D
>>>> >whole for=3D20
>>>> >the vocal or sometimes </FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>> ><DIV> </DIV>
>>>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>>>> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>>=
>>>>=3D
>>>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> > <DIV>"dale" <<A=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com<=
>>>>/A>=3D
>>>> >>=3D20
>>>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D3D"news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>R=
>>>>ick=3D
>>>> >, can=3D20
>>>> > you elaborate on how to do this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20
>>>> > =
>>>>href=3D3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20
>>>> > wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of =
>>>>those=3D20
>>>> > available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =3D
>>>> ><<A=3D20
>>>> > href=3D3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20
>>>> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>>>i=3D20
>>>> > agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about the =3D
>>>> >room=3D20
>>>> > reverb--<BR>>>i'm an ancient user and don't have any plug-ins or
> =
>>>>=3D
>>>> >
>>>> > revised<BR>>>FX for the room rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> >suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D
>>>> >nt"=3D20
>>>> > <<A =3D
>>>> >href=3D3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20
>>>> > wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other have been =3D
>>>> >making our=3D20
>>>> > way thru the new analog botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even =3D
>>>> >more=3D20
>>>> > resolved in stating that Paris FX are were=3D20
>>>> > stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very =3D
>>>> >good for=3D20
>>>> > most applications. The Plate verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays =3D
>>>> >are=3D20
>>>> > right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and is=3D20
>>>> > =3D
>>>> >the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>With=3D
>>>> >=3D20
>>>> > UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the new=3D20
>>>> > standards<BR>>>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 =3D
>>>> >years=3D20
>>>> > are still holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best of=3D20
>>>> > them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>>spam, =3D
>>>> >and=3D20
>>>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>>>> =
>>>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>>>fer=3D
>>>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>></HEAD>
>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris Plate is mono in so =
>>>>post pan won't=20
>>>>matter nor</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will it hurt. Paris Room is =
>>>>stereo in so that=20
>>>>might help</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to maintain post pan settings. =
>>>>The key is to=20
>>>>'blend' the</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>two to help sculpt the ambience around
>>>=
>>>>your=20
>>>>source.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Use the best qualities of =
>>>>each. I like=20
>>>>the plates longer</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>decays much of the time but very =
>>>>softly. The=20
>>>>room can</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get dense and flutter too much if =
>>>>you're not=20
>>>>careful.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just play with small amounts and mix
> =
>>>>them to=20
>>>>enhance</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>your source be it guitar, vocal, drums
>>>=
>>>>or=20
>>>>whatever.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's always a crap shoot.</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Crap,</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV>"dale" <<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>=20
>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"news:46945223$1@linux">news:46945223$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Than=
>>>>ks=20
>>>> Tom<BR><BR>Should the Auxes be set on "POST PAN" or something=20
>>>> else?<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Dale<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dale,<BR>>I like to do that too for a =
>>>>richer=20
>>>> reverb. Just run both a<BR>>room and a plate in two aux =
>>>>busses and=20
>>>> mix them<BR>>together. Don't get too loud with either and it =
>>>>will be=20
>>>> sweet.<BR>>I also use a FreakQ in front of the plate to notch out =
>>>>some=20
>>>> mids<BR>>more often than not. It carves a whole for the vocal =
>>>>or=20
>>>> sometimes=3D20<BR>>snare.<BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> "dale" =
>>>><<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D"mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A>=
>>>>>=20
>>>> wrote in message =
>>>>=3D<BR>>news:4693eb6a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Rick,=20
>>>> can you elaborate on how to do this?<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>>>>rick <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>> >run a room and plate parallel...or any combo =
>>>>of those=20
>>>> available.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >On =
>>>>10 Jul=20
>>>> 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>> =
>>>>wrote:<BR>> =20
>>>> ><BR>> >><BR>> =
>>>>>>LaMont--<BR>> =20
>>>> >>i agree--<BR>> >>though i have received some =
>>>>criticism=20
>>>> about the room reverb--<BR>> >>i'm an ancient user and =
>>>>don't=20
>>>> have any plug-ins or revised<BR>> >>FX for the room=20
>>>> rev.--<BR>> >>any suggestions?<BR>> =20
>>>> >>thanks<BR>> >>jp<BR>> =
>>>>>><BR>> =20
>>>> >>"LaMOnt" <<A=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=20
>>>> wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>As I've =
>>>>and other=20
>>>> have been making our way thru the new analog =
>>>>=3D<BR>>botique<BR>> =20
>>>> plugins,<BR>> >>>I'm even more resolved in stating =
>>>>that=20
>>>> Paris FX are were stellar.<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>> >>>Paris's Eq (4 band) is very good for most applications. =
>>>>The Plate=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>verb<BR>> adn<BR>> >>>Chorus, =
>>>>Delays are=20
>>>> right up with the best. The Gate is cool, and =
>>>>is<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> =20
>>>> >>Comp..<BR>> >>><BR>> =20
>>>> >>><BR>> >>>With UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, =
>>>>Waves new=20
>>>> vintage plugs setting the new<BR>=3D<BR>>standards<BR>> =20
>>>> >>>in plugins modeling, Paris's plugins after 10 years are =
>>>>still=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>holding<BR>> it's<BR>> >>>own =
>>>>with the=20
>>>> best of them..<BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I =
>>>>choose=20
>>>> Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20
>>>> you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>>>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
>>>> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
>>>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>>>>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
>>>> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
>>>> =
>>>>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>>>>D><BR>><BODY=20
>>>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> =
>>>>size=3D3D2>Dale,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I like to do that too for a richer =
>>>>=3D<BR>>reverb.=20
>>>> =3D20<BR>>Just run both =
>>>>a</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>room and a plate in two aux busses=20
>>>> =
>>>>and<BR>=3D<BR>>mix=3D20<BR>>them</FONT></DIV><BR >>&l=
>>>>t;DIV><FONT=20
>>>> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>together. Don't get too loud with=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>either and=3D20<BR>>it will be=20
>>>> sweet.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> size=3D3D2>I also use a FreakQ in front of the =3D<BR>>plate to=20
>>>> notch=3D20<BR>>out some=20
>>>> mids</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> size=3D3D2>more often than not. It carves a =3D<BR>>whole=20
>>>> for=3D20<BR>>the vocal or sometimes=20
>>>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
>>>> =
>>>>size=3D3D2>snare.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>>>>
>>>> face=3D3DArial =
>>>>size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=20
>>>> =
>>>></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =
>>>>0px;=20
>>>> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
>>>>2px solid;=20
>>>> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"dale"=20
>>>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A'=
>>>>>mailto:dalebradleycello@yahoo.com">dalebradleycello@yahoo.com</A</=
>>>>A>>=3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Rick=
>>>>'>news:4693eb6a$1@linux">news:4693eb6a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>>>>;<BR>Rick</A>=3D<BR>>,=20
>>>> can=3D20<BR>> you elaborate on how to do=20
>>>> this?<BR><BR><BR>rick <<A=3D20<BR>> =
>>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20'>ma=
>>>>ilto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>>=3D20</=
>>>>A><BR>> =20
>>>> wrote:<BR>>run a room and plate parallel...or any combo of=20
>>>> those=3D20<BR>> =
>>>>available.<BR>><BR>><BR>>On=20
>>>> 10 Jul 2007 17:01:58 +1000, "jp" =
>>>>=3D<BR>><<A=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:jpj@jpjones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto:jpj@jpj=
>>>>ones.net">jpj@jpjones.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>LaMont--<BR>=
>>>>;>>i=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> agree--<BR>>>though i have received some criticism about =
>>>>the=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>room=3D20<BR>> reverb--<BR>>>i'm an =
>>>>ancient user=20
>>>> and don't have any plug-ins or =3D<BR>><BR>> =20
>>>> revised<BR>>>FX for the room=20
>>>> rev.--<BR>>>any=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>=3D<BR>>suggestions?<BR>>>thanks<BR>>>jp<BR=
>>>>>>><BR>>>"LaMO=3D<BR>>nt"=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> <<A =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20'>mail=
>>>>to:jjdpro@ameritech.net">jjdpro@ameritech.net</A>>=3D20</A><B=
>>>>R>> =20
>>>> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>As I've and other =
>>>>have been=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>making our=3D20<BR>> way thru the new analog=20
>>>> botique<BR>plugins,<BR>>>>I'm even=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>more=3D20<BR>> resolved in stating that Paris FX =
>>>>are=20
>>>> were=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> stellar.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris's Eq (4 =
>>>>band) is=20
>>>> very =3D<BR>>good for=3D20<BR>> most applications. The =
>>>>Plate=20
>>>> verb<BR>adn<BR>>>>Chorus, Delays=20
>>>> =3D<BR>>are=3D20<BR>> right up with the best. The Gate is =
>>>>cool, and=20
>>>> is=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>=3D<BR>>the<BR>>>Comp..<BR>>>><BR>>=
>>>>;>><BR>>>>With=3D<BR>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> UAD's, USZR, Sonalkis, Waves new vintage plugs setting the=20
>>>> new=3D20<BR>> standards<BR>>>>in plugins =
>>>>modeling,=20
>>>> Paris's plugins after 10 =3D<BR>>years=3D20<BR>> are still =
>>>>
>>>> holding<BR>it's<BR>>>>own with the best=20
>>>> of=3D20<BR>> =20
>>>> =
>>>>them..<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><F=
>>>>ONT=20
>>>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>>>spam,=20
>>>> =
>>>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>>>> =
>>>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>>>>=3D<BR>>.html</A> =20
>>>> =
>>>></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></=
>>>>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Without a doubt. Makes me wonder if ASIO is disconnected in some way that
makes this
less than trivial. If it were trivial, and if I were a programmer at SB, I
would have changed this during
my lunch hour, just because it's annoying.
I have a feeling this is on the horizon though - the new control room
concept and studio management is designed
to replace the hardware mixer/outboard system - and that includes (or
should) patch bays that would change from project to project.
Dedric
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:4694eecb$1@linux...
> >
>> This is also one feature I would ask for in N4/C4.x - I/O and Control
>> Rooms
>> settings saved with each project, in addition to retaining global preset
>> list/default setting option.
>>
>
>
> What astounds me is that it "wouldn't" do this by default. Unbelievable.
>
> ;oP
>Hi thereJaimie ,
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46950060$1@linux...
>
> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't hang
> around this news group long. :^)
LOL!!!!!
>
> Apple sucks.
>
> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's. That's
> an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's learned a
> few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him from the USA
> or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our legendary patience and
> generosity, and look forward?
>
> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>
> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid criticism
> or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our constitution direclty
> protects our right to criticize America, our current or past leaders, etc.
>
That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>
> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen to
it.
>
> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>
> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>
> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>
> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
>
> I like my Mac.
>
> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is, to
me, more about money than opinion.
>
> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative and
> be a catalyst for people to think.
>
> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are screaming
about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit around an rant
about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are heavily
influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of whatever
intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This pretty much
disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and though there are
many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not, there are enough who
do to taint the credibility of the entire entertainment industry in gerneral
(IMO)
>
> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
> tradition.
I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition as
well.
>
> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would not
> be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner or
angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
;o)You'll probably be behind a NAT router so you're going to want to know exactly
the ip/host you'll be transferring to. One other option would be to send
the files out via a P2P network and ask a bunch of your bittorrent using
friends to download them, thereby distributing the load a bit. Again, NAT
becomes and issue here.
TCB
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I'm wanting info on how to transfer large files from around L.A. back to
>Australia on a tight time schedule. I hear there are plenty of Internet
cafe's
>and stuff (Starbucks / McDonalds?) which have local wireless access these
>days over there. Just looking for an idea of how inconvenient it would be
>to transfer large files over the internet from "on the street"?
>
>We're hoping to be able to get the files within a fairly short time frame.
>
>Any info on the availability of wireless internet over there would be appreciated,
>both in cafe's etc, and/or full mobile coverage deals. Is there anybody
who
>offers a cheap deal for mobile internet from a laptop covering the city?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.Hi all,
It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both and
one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k and
used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it. It
locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded stuff,
specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the coffee!
I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is so
much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate very
similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and '04
Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me. This
should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the DAC
cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the bass
and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo field
and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
distinguishable now.
Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah, I
know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk for
fill and to curl my toes.
I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy and
flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half the
problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and it's
XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round, almost
surround. It put a smile on my face.
I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and Neil.
I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
Thanks,
Wayne
Paris since '97No, not "mixing WITH mono!" I have a client who wants his CD to be in mono.
It's an interesting thing mixing in mono.
More to come...
GanttI run two computers these days - One for Paris (1.25 gHz DP G4) and one for
FX (867 mHz G4 running Digital Performer w/ Waves and UAD-1 plugins, mostly
for the Waves IR-1 reverbs). I just got a Belkin 'Flip' which allows me
to control both computers with one mouse and keyboard and to have one of
my monitors flip between computers. So now I can switch from having Paris
on both my 19" LCD screens to having Paris on the left and Digital Performer
on the right. Way cool! And only gets stuck every now and then!
GanttDoes the DAC-1 automatically take it's clock from the Big Ben?
Gantt
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
and
>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>
>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
and
>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it. It
>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded stuff,
>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the coffee!
>
>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is
so
>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate very
>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
'04
>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
This
>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>
>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the DAC
>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
bass
>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo field
>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>distinguishable now.
>
>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
I
>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
for
>fill and to curl my toes.
>
>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
and
>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half the
>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and it's
>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round, almost
>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>
>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and Neil.
>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne
>Paris since '97
>
>DJ wrote:
> Hi thereJaimie ,
Hey Deej!
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46950060$1@linux...
>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't hang
>> around this news group long. :^)
>
> LOL!!!!!
>
>> Apple sucks.
>>
>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's. That's
>> an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's learned a
>> few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him from the USA
>> or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our legendary patience and
>> generosity, and look forward?
>>
>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>
>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid criticism
>> or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our constitution direclty
>> protects our right to criticize America, our current or past leaders, etc.
>>
>
> That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
> money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
Actually I don't go to shows to be insulted either. But a lot of people
must. Witness punk shows, rap shows, standup comedy sets. Or a revival
service.
As far as being included in someone else's agenda, better stay away from
country music then. And let your hazy drug days blank out any of the
rock shows you've been to since the 60s where politics was a regular
undercurrent.
>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>
>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>
> I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen to
> it.
I guess you've never bought one of his CDs.
>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>
>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>
>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>
>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>
> I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
> word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
We also have James' word that others in the audience cheered. So not
everyone was as appalled as he was. Apparently there was a dispute at
the time in the audience.
>> I like my Mac.
>>
>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>
> Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
> particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is, to
> me, more about money than opinion.
>
>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative and
>> be a catalyst for people to think.
>>
>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>
> Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
> the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are screaming
> about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit around an rant
> about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are heavily
> influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of whatever
> intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This pretty much
> disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and though there are
> many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not, there are enough who
> do to taint the credibility of the entire entertainment industry in gerneral
> (IMO)
If you're saying I shouldn't listen to you because you've done drugs,
then OK. ;^)
The point is A) artists have the right to share their passions in their
art. What that can do on the positive side is stimulate discussion. And
B) we have the right to research anyone's assertions and develop our own
opinions. If we don't, we're the idiots.
>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>> tradition.
>
> I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition as
> well.
Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would not
>> be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner or
> angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
One man's angry activist is another's brave crusader. It's not the
opinions or causes, it's the ones we happen to disagree with that
offend. But then the guy next to you might be cheering. To James, that
guy is an idiot. To that guy, maybe James is an idiot. Maybe they should
talk and get beyond mutual demonization.
I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> ;o)
>
>
>
>The first famous musician I find who can answer four of these five questions
correctly without consulting google, I'll get interested in their political
opinions.
1. William McKinley and Zachary Taylor were both US presidents. Did they
serve both before the Civil War, both after, or one before and one after.
2. From which country or countries did the United States acquire Louisiana
and Florida?
3. The US capitol was moved to Virginia in a famous deal brokered between
Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson wanted the capitol on the Potomac and got
it. What did Hamilton want in return, and did he get it?
4. In the 1980's the US government was deeply involved in the affairs of
Nicaragua and El Salvador. In which country did it support the insurgency,
and in which the government?
5. Give a general description of five of the first ten amendments to the
US Constitution.
-or-
Explain the constitutional justification for equal protection.
I think I'll be waiting a while.
TCB
P.S. I also don't like listening to politicians sing.
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>
>> What did he say??
>>
>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>
>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
if
>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>
>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
>I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do listen
>to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
hear
>them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
me
>is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>when the opposite is probably true.
>
>;o)
>
>I presume you use the same test for non-musicians.
It would be interested to know how many politicians would pass your
test. Some of them sing pretty well and a few play instruments.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> The first famous musician I find who can answer four of these five questions
> correctly without consulting google, I'll get interested in their political
> opinions.
>
> 1. William McKinley and Zachary Taylor were both US presidents. Did they
> serve both before the Civil War, both after, or one before and one after.
>
>
> 2. From which country or countries did the United States acquire Louisiana
> and Florida?
>
> 3. The US capitol was moved to Virginia in a famous deal brokered between
> Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson wanted the capitol on the Potomac and got
> it. What did Hamilton want in return, and did he get it?
>
> 4. In the 1980's the US government was deeply involved in the affairs of
> Nicaragua and El Salvador. In which country did it support the insurgency,
> and in which the government?
>
> 5. Give a general description of five of the first ten amendments to the
> US Constitution.
>
> -or-
>
> Explain the constitutional justification for equal protection.
>
> I think I'll be waiting a while.
>
> TCB
>
> P.S. I also don't like listening to politicians sing.
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>> What did he say??
>>>
>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>
>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
> if
>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>
>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do listen
>
>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>
>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
> hear
>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
> me
>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>
>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>Actually, I'd expect any non-musician whose opinion about politics I take
seriously to get all six of these correct very easily.
Politicians I would hope would know this stuff but wouldn't really expect
it. Politics in general attracts second class human beings more often than
not, and in today's America appearing to have a triple digit IQ is essentially
political suicide. FDR and Ike could appeal to the lowest common denominator
but today one has to actually appear to _be_ the lowest common denominator.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>I presume you use the same test for non-musicians.
>
>It would be interested to know how many politicians would pass your
>test. Some of them sing pretty well and a few play instruments.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> The first famous musician I find who can answer four of these five questions
>> correctly without consulting google, I'll get interested in their political
>> opinions.
>>
>> 1. William McKinley and Zachary Taylor were both US presidents. Did they
>> serve both before the Civil War, both after, or one before and one after.
>>
>>
>> 2. From which country or countries did the United States acquire Louisiana
>> and Florida?
>>
>> 3. The US capitol was moved to Virginia in a famous deal brokered between
>> Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson wanted the capitol on the Potomac and
got
>> it. What did Hamilton want in return, and did he get it?
>>
>> 4. In the 1980's the US government was deeply involved in the affairs
of
>> Nicaragua and El Salvador. In which country did it support the insurgency,
>> and in which the government?
>>
>> 5. Give a general description of five of the first ten amendments to the
>> US Constitution.
>>
>> -or-
>>
>> Explain the constitutional justification for equal protection.
>>
>> I think I'll be waiting a while.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> P.S. I also don't like listening to politicians sing.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>> What did he say??
>>>>
>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>
>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>> if
>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
listen
>>
>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I
know
>>
>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing
to
>> hear
>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
>> me
>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>>
>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how much
of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could function
(I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house sync
across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my Digidesign
192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The reality
is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other details.
Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of the
P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs. I'm
getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for surround....you'll
be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
www.audioandmidi.com
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
and
>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>
>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
and
>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it. It
>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded stuff,
>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the coffee!
>
>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is
so
>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate very
>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
'04
>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
This
>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>
>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the DAC
>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
bass
>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo field
>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>distinguishable now.
>
>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
I
>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
for
>fill and to curl my toes.
>
>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
and
>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half the
>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and it's
>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round, almost
>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>
>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and Neil.
>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne
>Paris since '97
>
>His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America or
Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go for
it.
I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I do
like their music, was my point. As I stated, he insulted the vary people
that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
the way, they were vary boring in concert.
The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge! If
people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
is just my opinion.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>hang around this news group long. :^)
>
>Apple sucks.
>
>So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>
>Apple sucks more than Dell.
>
>America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>current or past leaders, etc.
>
>Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>
>In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>
>Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>
>Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>better understood his point, whatever it was.
>
>Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>
>In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>
>I like my Mac.
>
>Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>
>BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>and be a catalyst for people to think.
>
>It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>
>It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>tradition.
>
>It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>> What did he say??
>>>
>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>
>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
if
>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>
>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>
>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
listen
>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
hear
>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
me
>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
> > I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>was not
> > about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>americans are
> > stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>are stupid
> > and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
> >So the artist should charge far less than the price the market would set,
so that scalpers (who add zero value) can make money on the spread between
between the face value and actual value? I'd rather the musician make the
money.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America
or
>Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
>it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go
for
>it.
>
>I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
>won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I do
>like their music, was my point. As I stated, he insulted the vary people
>that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
>the way, they were vary boring in concert.
>
>The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge! If
>people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
>problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
>it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
>is just my opinion.
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>>hang around this news group long. :^)
>>
>>Apple sucks.
>>
>>So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>>That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>
>>learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>>legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>
>>Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>
>>America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>>criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>>constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>>current or past leaders, etc.
>>
>>Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>
>>In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>>Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>
>>Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>
>>misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>>better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>
>>Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>
>>In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>>I like my Mac.
>>
>>Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>>BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>
>>in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>>and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>
>>It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>>ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>>It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>
>>Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>
>>ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>>tradition.
>>
>>It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>>not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>> What did he say??
>>>>
>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>
>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>if
>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
>listen
>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I
know
>
>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing
to
>hear
>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
>me
>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>
>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>
>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>> > I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>>was not
>> > about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>>americans are
>> > stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>>are stupid
>> > and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>> >
>Yeah, the silver dually Mac I have at work doesn't seem to like the 4 port
Belkin I have on it and always eventually locks up. I'm sure glad you're
having better luck on it Gantt. I wonder if there is something to the
Belkin/Mac combo that's not a happy pair.
Anyone else using another brand that 'is' happy with Mac/Mac or Mac/PC ?
AA
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46952ab6$1@linux...
>
> I run two computers these days - One for Paris (1.25 gHz DP G4) and one
> for
> FX (867 mHz G4 running Digital Performer w/ Waves and UAD-1 plugins,
> mostly
> for the Waves IR-1 reverbs). I just got a Belkin 'Flip' which allows me
> to control both computers with one mouse and keyboard and to have one of
> my monitors flip between computers. So now I can switch from having Paris
> on both my 19" LCD screens to having Paris on the left and Digital
> Performer
> on the right. Way cool! And only gets stuck every now and then!
>
> Gantt"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46946e3e$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>Hmmmm........the I/O busses can be saved, but the external FX
>>>are constant from project to project so that sorta' doesn't
>>>make sense to me, but then again it
>>>Might.......sorta.......maybe............I
>> guess. I'm fried
>> tonight so I've shut it down.
>>
>> OK, good - read it again & print it out in the morning lol
>>
>>>BTW......there's a Neve Portico tape emulator on Gearslutz for
>>>$1200.00 right now (or at least there was last night). You
>>>need this.
>>
>> Kewl, send me the link - though I may not need it, I think this
>> week I have found the "secret of glue" in Cubase :) :D) :D)
>> Kinda like "the Riddle of Steel" in Conan the Barbarian, but
>> different :D
>>
>> Neil
>
> http://www.gearslutz.com:80/board/gearslutz-secondhand-gear- classifieds/133056-portico-5042-tape-emulator.html
ARGH! I have to sign up & register for Gearslutz in order to log
in & see the post?
>Tell me about the glue
I'll post a link later so you can actually hear the glue.
NeilJames McCloskey wrote:
> His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America or
> Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
> it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go for
> it.
Sure, why not. He's written some decent lyrics, some decent songs, he
works with some killer musicians. There's a fair chance he's about more
than "America hating."
I think for Sting to generalize negatively about ALL Americans, as you
say, would be ignorant, if that's what he meant. This is a diverse
country with diverse people.
OTOH I think for anyone to generalize about another person based on one
comment is a bit limited, and to impose that impression for over 20
years as if you really know the guy? From one comment? Well I dunno.
People grow and change, usually.
> I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
> won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I do
> like their music, was my point.
Which arrogant pompous asses do you give money to? A few, I'll bet. :^)
Americans don't suck, overall, but some hold grudges. Sting could have
said THAT and not been wrong. :^)
> As I stated, he insulted the vary people
> that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
> the way, they were vary boring in concert.
I'll be glad to insult you for free, just let me know if I can help out.
Heh, just kidding.
I would watch the Police just to watch the drummer play.
> The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge! If
> people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
> problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
> it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
> is just my opinion.
Yeah, I'm not paying it either. Someone is...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>> hang around this news group long. :^)
>>
>> Apple sucks.
>>
>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>> That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>
>> learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>> legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>
>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>
>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>> criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>> constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>> current or past leaders, etc.
>>
>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>
>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>
>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>
>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>
>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>
>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>> I like my Mac.
>>
>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>
>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>> and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>
>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>
>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>
>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>> tradition.
>>
>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>> not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>> What did he say??
>>>>
>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>
>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
> if
>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
> listen
>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>
>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
> hear
>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
> me
>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>
>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>
>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>> was not
>>> about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>> americans are
>>> stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>> are stupid
>>> and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>>>
>This is hard for me to admit, but I once payed to see Elton John. After about
a half hour or so he threw a hissy fit for no apparent reason and said "that's
it folks, shows over" and walked off stage. He won't be getting any more
of my money either.
I loved Led Zeppelin, but Robert Plant was boring every time I saw him.
Rod Stewart used to put on a good show, now he is boring. I guess from all
this you could conclude that I don't like Brits???
I once saw ZZ Top and they ended the show after only about 20 minutes. Billy
Gibbons had a good reason, some idiot threw an unopened beer can at him and
split his head open. Needless to say, Pine Knob stopped selling beer in
cans after that show.
Hell, I saw Collective soul sunday. They were going through there songs
at break neck speed. The singer said, "all I can say is were pressed for
time". There sound wasn't vary good, and I've seen them in the past when
they sounded great. They suddenly ended the show. They were billed as
the headliner, but the band Live was the last band to play the night. Maybe
it was my mistake.
Just some stories.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>DJ wrote:
>> Hi thereJaimie ,
>
>Hey Deej!
>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46950060$1@linux...
>>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
hang
>>> around this news group long. :^)
>>
>> LOL!!!!!
>>
>>> Apple sucks.
>>>
>>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's. That's
>>> an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's learned
a
>>> few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him from the
USA
>>> or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our legendary patience
and
>>> generosity, and look forward?
>>>
>>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>>
>>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid criticism
>>> or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our constitution direclty
>>> protects our right to criticize America, our current or past leaders,
etc.
>>>
>>
>> That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
>> money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
>
>Actually I don't go to shows to be insulted either. But a lot of people
>must. Witness punk shows, rap shows, standup comedy sets. Or a revival
>service.
>
>As far as being included in someone else's agenda, better stay away from
>country music then. And let your hazy drug days blank out any of the
>rock shows you've been to since the 60s where politics was a regular
>undercurrent.
>
>
>>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>>
>>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>> I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen
to
>> it.
>
>I guess you've never bought one of his CDs.
>
>
>>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>>
>>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and
you
>>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>>
>>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>>
>>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>> I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
>> word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
>
>We also have James' word that others in the audience cheered. So not
>everyone was as appalled as he was. Apparently there was a dispute at
>the time in the audience.
>
>
>>> I like my Mac.
>>>
>>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>> Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
>> particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is,
to
>> me, more about money than opinion.
>>
>>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity
but
>>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
and
>>> be a catalyst for people to think.
>>>
>>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>> Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
>> the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are screaming
>> about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit around an
rant
>> about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are heavily
>> influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of whatever
>> intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This pretty much
>> disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and though there
are
>> many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not, there are enough
who
>> do to taint the credibility of the entire entertainment industry in gerneral
>> (IMO)
>
>If you're saying I shouldn't listen to you because you've done drugs,
>then OK. ;^)
>
>The point is A) artists have the right to share their passions in their
>art. What that can do on the positive side is stimulate discussion. And
>B) we have the right to research anyone's assertions and develop our own
>opinions. If we don't, we're the idiots.
>
>
>>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace
of
>>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>>> tradition.
>>
>> I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition
as
>> well.
>
>Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>
>
>>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
not
>>> be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>> Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner
or
>> angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
>
>One man's angry activist is another's brave crusader. It's not the
>opinions or causes, it's the ones we happen to disagree with that
>offend. But then the guy next to you might be cheering. To James, that
>guy is an idiot. To that guy, maybe James is an idiot. Maybe they should
>talk and get beyond mutual demonization.
>
>I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
>a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm not defending ticket brokers, but I do know a licensed ticket broker,
and some times they take a bath on tickets. This guy I know lost about 50K
on a Frank Sinatra show he invested heavily in to. He almost went bankrupt,
and his wife filed for divorce shortly after that. Ticket brokers do have
accounts to get good tickets. They also camp out over night some times for
some shows. Winter in Detroit is brutal, it's not a place you want to camp
out over night. With the bad economy here in Detroit, I'm sure he's hurting.
There prices are way too high for me.
I've also been at show that were sold out and had scalpers try to sell me
lawn tickets for $350.00, so yeah, I'm not fond of scalpers.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>So the artist should charge far less than the price the market would set,
>so that scalpers (who add zero value) can make money on the spread between
>between the face value and actual value? I'd rather the musician make the
>money.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America
>or
>>Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
>>it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go
>for
>>it.
>>
>>I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
>>won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I
do
>>like their music, was my point. As I stated, he insulted the vary people
>>that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
>>the way, they were vary boring in concert.
>>
>>The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge!
If
>>people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
>>problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
>>it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
>>is just my opinion.
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>>>hang around this news group long. :^)
>>>
>>>Apple sucks.
>>>
>>>So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>>>That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>>
>>>learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>>>legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>>
>>>Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>>
>>>America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>>>criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>>>constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>>>current or past leaders, etc.
>>>
>>>Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>>
>>>In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>>
>>>Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>>
>>>Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>>
>>>misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>
>>>better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>>
>>>Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>>
>>>In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>>
>>>I like my Mac.
>>>
>>>Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>>
>>>BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>>
>>>in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>>>and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>>
>>>It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>
>>>ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>>
>>>It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>>
>>>Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>>further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace
of
>>
>>>ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>
>>>tradition.
>>>
>>>It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>
>>>not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>>> What did he say??
>>>>>
>>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>>if
>>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
>>listen
>>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I
>know
>>
>>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing
>to
>>hear
>>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
>>me
>>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>>
>>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>>
>>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> > I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>>>was not
>>> > about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>>>americans are
>>> > stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>>>are stupid
>>> > and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>>> >
>>
>I have 3 KMV switches. I have a Belkin with PS2, it works but it has a floating
palette you have to have open and click to switch, which sucks. I have a
ioGear USB switch with audio, it's a POS! locks up on a regular basis.
And I have a $19.00 TrendMicro PS2/USB switch which works great, but the
keyboard and mouse have to be PS2. The cheap TrendMicro is the best by far.
I have decided to not invest in to KMV switches anymore, I'm going to try
to use remote desktop, etc. Also I have a pile of 17" to 20" CRTs I got
for free on Craig's list. Free CRTs are on there all the time, people are
giving them away now.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Yeah, the silver dually Mac I have at work doesn't seem to like the 4 port
>Belkin I have on it and always eventually locks up. I'm sure glad you're
>having better luck on it Gantt. I wonder if there is something to the
>Belkin/Mac combo that's not a happy pair.
>Anyone else using another brand that 'is' happy with Mac/Mac or Mac/PC ?
>
>AA
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:46952ab6$1@linux...
>>
>> I run two computers these days - One for Paris (1.25 gHz DP G4) and one
>> for
>> FX (867 mHz G4 running Digital Performer w/ Waves and UAD-1 plugins,
>> mostly
>> for the Waves IR-1 reverbs). I just got a Belkin 'Flip' which allows
me
>> to control both computers with one mouse and keyboard and to have one
of
>> my monitors flip between computers. So now I can switch from having Paris
>> on both my 19" LCD screens to having Paris on the left and Digital
>> Performer
>> on the right. Way cool! And only gets stuck every now and then!
>>
>> Gantt
>
>I don't know if this will help you, but I have used AIM (AOL Instant Messenger)
to transfer large files, and it's free. They usually transfer in under a
minute. Of course this will depend on the connection you use. I use AIM
with iChat on a Mac. There is a direct privacy mode that will directly connect
the two machines in iChat. There may be a similar thing in AIM for PC.
It's a vary easy way to go.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I'm wanting info on how to transfer large files from around L.A. back to
>Australia on a tight time schedule. I hear there are plenty of Internet
cafe's
>and stuff (Starbucks / McDonalds?) which have local wireless access these
>days over there. Just looking for an idea of how inconvenient it would be
>to transfer large files over the internet from "on the street"?
>
>We're hoping to be able to get the files within a fairly short time frame.
>
>Any info on the availability of wireless internet over there would be appreciated,
>both in cafe's etc, and/or full mobile coverage deals. Is there anybody
who
>offers a cheap deal for mobile internet from a laptop covering the city?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Neil,
Ya, now that you mention it me too. Not really a big problem though.
T.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@.com> wrote in message news:46946a84$1@linux...
I had the Gold Bundle 2.0 working fine on Paris v2.2;
I was running Win98SE at the time.
Dunno if that helps any. Only issue I had was that you had to
mute the track before the audio came in, otherwise you'd hear
a "POP!" right where the track started - this is a fairly common
Waves/Paris issue, though, from what I understand.
Neil
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Steve,
>I had very good luck with Waves tech support. I have their Gold =
Bundle
=3D
>3.6
>working flawlessly on XP with Paris. They had to walk me through a =
=3D
>bunch
>of numbers to input but it was painless 'once we got down to it'.
>Dynamo Hum
>
> "Steve L." <slavii@aol.com> wrote in message =
news:46942750$1@linux...
>
> This was the response I got from the people at waves. Does anyone =
=3D
>have ideas
> ? I would hate to have to run win98 on my brand new computer. =
=3D20
>
>
> "Waves 3.2 was the last version tested here to work with Paris. =3D
>However Waves
> 3.2 will not work on Windows XP. Paris no longer released any =
further
=3D
>updates
> for their product while Waves was at version 3.0.
> Also as mentioned on the phone, Wave no longer can sell or =
authorize =3D
>version
> 3.x products. You can try out the version 4 from our website, which =
is
=3D
>compatible
> with Windows XP, however from what we have seen, this will not work =
=3D
>with
> Paris". =3D20
> >
> >
> I have just upgraded from paris 3.0 running on an old computer =
running
=3D
>win
> >98 to a new computer running xp. My problem is I have the waves =
gold
=3D
>bundle
> >version 2.0 which will not run on xp. I talked to waves and they =
say
=3D
>they
> >don't have a current version of the gold bundle that will run in =
=3D
>paris.
>
> >Is this true? Does anyone have any ideas?=3D20
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I had very good luck with Waves =
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>here to=3D20
> work with Paris. However Waves<BR>3.2 will not work on Windows XP. =
=3D
>Paris no=3D20
> longer released any further updates<BR>for their product while =
Waves =3D
>was at=3D20
> version 3.0.<BR>Also as mentioned on the phone, Wave no longer can =
=3D
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> authorize version<BR>3.x products. You can try out the version 4 =
from
=3D
>our=3D20
> website, which is compatible<BR>with Windows XP, however from what =
we
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>have=3D20
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>problem=3D20
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wrote in=20
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had the=20
Gold Bundle 2.0 working fine on Paris v2.2;<BR>I was running Win98SE =
at the=20
time.<BR><BR>Dunno if that helps any. Only issue I had was that you =
had=20
to<BR>mute the track before the audio came in, otherwise you'd =
hear<BR>a=20
"POP!" right where the track started - this is a fairly =
common<BR>Waves/Paris=20
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Bruhl" <<A =
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wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Steve,<BR>>I had very good luck with =
Waves=20
tech support. I have their Gold =
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href=3D"mailto:slavii@aol.com">slavii@aol.com</A>> wrote in message =
<A=20
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This was the response I got from the people at waves. Does =
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run win98 on=20
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Waves<BR>> 3.2 will not work on Windows XP. Paris no longer =
released=20
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while Waves=20
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no=20
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products. You=20
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is<BR>=3D<BR>>compatible<BR>> with Windows XP, however =
from what we=20
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Paris". =3D20<BR>> ><BR>> =20
><BR>> I have just upgraded from paris 3.0 running on an =
old=20
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computer=20
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anyone have=20
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=3D<BR>>support. =3D20<BR>>I have their Gold Bundle=20
3.6</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
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Have you tried shutting off one monitor speaker? Things will change
when you do...
DC
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>No, not "mixing WITH mono!" I have a client who wants his CD to be in mono.
> It's an interesting thing mixing in mono.
>
>More to come...
>
>GanttI use one of these. works perfect. Never locks up. A simple keystroke to
switch.
http://www.kvm-switches-online.com/kvm2kit.html
;o)
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46952ab6$1@linux...
>
> I run two computers these days - One for Paris (1.25 gHz DP G4) and one
> for
> FX (867 mHz G4 running Digital Performer w/ Waves and UAD-1 plugins,
> mostly
> for the Waves IR-1 reverbs). I just got a Belkin 'Flip' which allows me
> to control both computers with one mouse and keyboard and to have one of
> my monitors flip between computers. So now I can switch from having Paris
> on both my 19" LCD screens to having Paris on the left and Digital
> Performer
> on the right. Way cool! And only gets stuck every now and then!
>
> GanttJames,
Thanks for that. I'm actually more looking for connection options than transfer
options. We have multiple ways of getting the files back, but it's getting
access to the internet for $2 a day when bouncing all over L.A. is the issue...
Cheers,
Kim.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I don't know if this will help you, but I have used AIM (AOL Instant Messenger)
>to transfer large files, and it's free. They usually transfer in under
a
>minute. Of course this will depend on the connection you use. I use AIM
>with iChat on a Mac. There is a direct privacy mode that will directly
connect
>the two machines in iChat. There may be a similar thing in AIM for PC.
>It's a vary easy way to go.
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>I'm wanting info on how to transfer large files from around L.A. back to
>>Australia on a tight time schedule. I hear there are plenty of Internet
>cafe's
>>and stuff (Starbucks / McDonalds?) which have local wireless access these
>>days over there. Just looking for an idea of how inconvenient it would
be
>>to transfer large files over the internet from "on the street"?
>>
>>We're hoping to be able to get the files within a fairly short time frame.
>>
>>Any info on the availability of wireless internet over there would be appreciated,
>>both in cafe's etc, and/or full mobile coverage deals. Is there anybody
>who
>>offers a cheap deal for mobile internet from a laptop covering the city?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>Wayne, I'm curious how much difference you would hear if you clocked
Paris to the DAC1 alone? Have you listened to that?
Wayne Carson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
> 1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both and
> one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>
> It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k and
> used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it. It
> locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded stuff,
> specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the coffee!
>
> I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is so
> much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate very
> similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and '04
> Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me. This
> should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
> truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>
> In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
> L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the DAC
> cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the bass
> and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo field
> and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
> distinguishable now.
>
> Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
> off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah, I
> know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
> when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk for
> fill and to curl my toes.
>
> I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
> very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
> between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy and
> flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half the
> problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and it's
> XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round, almost
> surround. It put a smile on my face.
>
> I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and Neil.
> I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> Paris since '97
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46952c61@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> Hi thereJaimie ,
>
> Hey Deej!
>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> news:46950060$1@linux...
>>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>>> hang around this news group long. :^)
>>
>> LOL!!!!!
>>
>>> Apple sucks.
>>>
>>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>>> That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>>> learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>> from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>>> legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>>
>>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>>
>>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>>> criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>>> constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>>> current or past leaders, etc.
>>>
>>
>> That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
>> money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
>
> Actually I don't go to shows to be insulted either. But a lot of people
> must. Witness punk shows, rap shows, standup comedy sets. Or a revival
> service.
>
> As far as being included in someone else's agenda, better stay away from
> country music then. And let your hazy drug days blank out any of the rock
> shows you've been to since the 60s where politics was a regular
> undercurrent.
>
>
>>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>>
>>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>> I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen to
>> it.
>
> I guess you've never bought one of his CDs.
I love his music. I own a couple of his CD's. I wouldn't be happy if I paid
money to go to one of his concerts and was subjected to a bunch of verbal
tripe however.
>
>
>>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>>
>>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>>
>>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>>
>>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>> I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
>> word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
>
> We also have James' word that others in the audience cheered. So not
> everyone was as appalled as he was. Apparently there was a dispute at the
> time in the audience.
I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a ****
about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an America? I'd
say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that 49%
of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without really
understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's arsses
would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't willing to
stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled to whatever
opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my dollar. Shut up
and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with James on this one.
>
>
>>> I like my Mac.
>>>
>>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>> Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
>> particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is,
>> to me, more about money than opinion.
>>
>>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>>> and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>>
>>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>> Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
>> the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are
>> screaming about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit
>> around an rant about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are
>> heavily influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of
>> whatever intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This
>> pretty much disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and
>> though there are many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not,
>> there are enough who do to taint the credibility of the entire
>> entertainment industry in gerneral (IMO)
>
> If you're saying I shouldn't listen to you because you've done drugs, then
> OK. ;^)
I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look at
the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way before the
60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my opinions to be
taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give me the benefit of
the doubt without some sort of reference point would be crazy.
> The point is A) artists have the right to share their passions in their
> art. What that can do on the positive side is stimulate discussion. And B)
> we have the right to research anyone's assertions and develop our own
> opinions. If we don't, we're the idiots.
>
>>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>>> tradition.
>>
>> I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition as
>> well.
>
> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a lot
of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
fuelling it.
>
>
>>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>>> not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
>>
>> Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner or
>> angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
>
> One man's angry activist is another's brave crusader. It's not the
> opinions or causes, it's the ones we happen to disagree with that offend.
> But then the guy next to you might be cheering. To James, that guy is an
> idiot. To that guy, maybe James is an idiot. Maybe they should talk and
> get beyond mutual demonization.
>
> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at a
> concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what happened
20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about this Van Halen
concert back in the 70's?
;o)Glad you got this happening. The DAC-1, just on it's own, will reveal a
whole lot of things you weren't hearing before. Having the BB clocking the
system will be a big plus during tracking because your A/D's will be more
accurate and any D/A's that are sending signal to a cue system or outboard
FX will sound more open and defined.
Good move.
;o)
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:469527f6@linux...
> Hi all,
>
> It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
> 1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
> and one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>
> It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
> and used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
> It locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
> stuff, specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
> coffee!
>
> I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is
> so much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
> very similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio
> and '04 Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for
> me. This should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06
> Tundra truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>
> In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
> L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the DAC
> cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
> bass and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
> field and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
> distinguishable now.
>
> Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
> off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
> I know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
> when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
> for fill and to curl my toes.
>
> I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
> very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
> between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
> and flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
> the problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
> it's XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
> almost surround. It put a smile on my face.
>
> I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
> Neil. I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> Paris since '97
>DJ wrote:
> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a ****
> about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an America?
No. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.
> I'd
> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that 49%
> of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without really
> understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's arsses
> would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't willing to
> stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled to whatever
> opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my dollar. Shut up
> and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with James on this one.
Yeah, maybe you're right, Deej. I guess the only option is to smart bomb
Sting's studio. We simply can't put up with this national affront from
the 80s. Why didn't Reagan move on this immediately? Stupid left wing
Reagan!
Anyhoo, you get to decide what you do in your studio. Sting gets to
decide what he does at his shows. If in the 80s when people were still
trying to be edgy like the Sex Pistols, if Sting wanted to risk
insulting a few people while apparently making others cheer, that was
his call to make. James can boycott him for the rest of his life, and
that's his call. I can question that decision and that's my call. You
can question my question and that's your call. Freedom rocks.
> I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
> definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look at
> the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way before the
> 60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my opinions to be
> taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give me the benefit of
> the doubt without some sort of reference point would be crazy.
I am feeling a little crazy today but I'll try to keep your advice in
mind. It's because I'm playing drums at a gig this weekend. Drummers are
all a little crazy.
>> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>
> Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a lot
> of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
> fuelling it.
The way truth is used in blather-head talk radio is the same way worms
are used in fishing. They use just enough to conceal the hook.
My advice is to KEEP SWIMMING.
> Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
> There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
Heh, I worked an AC/DC concert once. We can trade stories...
>> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at a
>> concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>
> Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what happened
> 20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about this Van Halen
> concert back in the 70's?
:^)
Rock on!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.comI'm getting a similar experience on my PC switch. Trend 2 port PS2 is a bit
slow, but works. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to pull it because when I
switch it there's a pause in the native playback.
Are you seeing that on yours too?
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4695613c$1@linux...
>
> I have 3 KMV switches. I have a Belkin with PS2, it works but it has a
> floating
> palette you have to have open and click to switch, which sucks. I have a
> ioGear USB switch with audio, it's a POS! locks up on a regular basis.
> And I have a $19.00 TrendMicro PS2/USB switch which works great, but the
> keyboard and mouse have to be PS2. The cheap TrendMicro is the best by
> far.
>
> I have decided to not invest in to KMV switches anymore, I'm going to try
> to use remote desktop, etc. Also I have a pile of 17" to 20" CRTs I got
> for free on Craig's list. Free CRTs are on there all the time, people are
> giving them away now.
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Yeah, the silver dually Mac I have at work doesn't seem to like the 4 port
>
>>Belkin I have on it and always eventually locks up. I'm sure glad you're
>
>>having better luck on it Gantt. I wonder if there is something to the
>>Belkin/Mac combo that's not a happy pair.
>>Anyone else using another brand that 'is' happy with Mac/Mac or Mac/PC ?
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:46952ab6$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I run two computers these days - One for Paris (1.25 gHz DP G4) and one
>
>>> for
>>> FX (867 mHz G4 running Digital Performer w/ Waves and UAD-1 plugins,
>>> mostly
>>> for the Waves IR-1 reverbs). I just got a Belkin 'Flip' which allows
> me
>>> to control both computers with one mouse and keyboard and to have one
> of
>>> my monitors flip between computers. So now I can switch from having
>>> Paris
>>> on both my 19" LCD screens to having Paris on the left and Digital
>>> Performer
>>> on the right. Way cool! And only gets stuck every now and then!
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>>
>On 7/11/07 9:28 PM, in article 4695a141@linux, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _
dot _ net> wrote:
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46952c61@linux...
>> DJ wrote:
> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a ****
> about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an America? I'd
> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that 49%
> of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without really
> understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's arsses
> would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't willing to
> stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled to whatever
> opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my dollar. Shut up
> and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with James on this one.
>>
I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
Is someone exercising their "right" to say in concert that they hate America
really making us a better country? Better individuals? Is it really making
them a better musician, or the concert a better show? It seems integrity,
honor and respect aren't worth very much anymore, though it also seems to
that to many this country is about freedom "from" those responsibilities,
not freedom because of a firm embracing of them.
If Sting wanted to be a butthead that night, that's his business, really.
But it doesn't mean he is due any admiration because of it, and it would be
sad if that alone actually sold more tickets.
Rock stars and movie stars are not roll models for the next generation,
current generation, last generation or m-m-m-my g-g-generation. They are
just entertainers, that's all - and far too many are barely passing for
responsible adults.
I don't go to concerts or movies put on by musicians, actors/actresses,
directors, etc that like to run their mouths just because they have a
captive audience. I go see people performing their craft with expertise,
passion and enthusiasm - no hidden/secondary agenda (not that we go see much
of anything beyond Chuckee Cheese with kids ;-). Saying what you think is
one thing, but saying what you think in a way that others will respect you
seems to be becoming a long lost art.
>>>> Apple sucks.
Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
Jamie. ;-))
Regards,
DedricJust got through watching the PBS special on Les Paul. He is kind of
the antithesis of some of the rockers we talked about a few weeks back
who are shot. He ended the special with a rendition of "somewhere over
the rainbow" that had as much or more emotion to it than any vocalist
I've ever heard do it. DOn't know how long ago they shot the special,
but he looks to be at least deep into his eighties.
Wow!!!!
JefI have only seen a few minutes of this, and so far it is just terrific!
DC
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Just got through watching the PBS special on Les Paul. He is kind of
>the antithesis of some of the rockers we talked about a few weeks back
>who are shot. He ended the special with a rendition of "somewhere over
>the rainbow" that had as much or more emotion to it than any vocalist
>I've ever heard do it. DOn't know how long ago they shot the special,
>but he looks to be at least deep into his eighties.
>
>Wow!!!!
>
>
>JefDedric Terry wrote:
> I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
> is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
> that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
> than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
How so? Is this just an impression based on something, (we don't exactly
know what), that Sting was supposed to have said at one concert more
than 20 years ago? Is that "this all"?
There needs to be more to it than that for there to be a trend here. Got
stats?
It's entirely possible to protect freedom AND promote personal
responsibility. Both.
> Is someone exercising their "right" to say in concert that they hate America
> really making us a better country? Better individuals? Is it really making
> them a better musician, or the concert a better show?
I think it's still an open question what Sting said and meant on that
fateful night. James doesn't remember the exact words, he just remembers
being pissed off while others cheered. And his lasting impression is
that Sting is a hater of all Americans. I'd like to hear what the
cheering people's impression was. I'll bet there's another side to it.
Actually, though, 20 years ago? I don't really think it's all that
cogent to now. I don't really believe Sting hates American people as a
group, do you?
> It seems integrity,
> honor and respect aren't worth very much anymore, though it also seems to
> that to many this country is about freedom "from" those responsibilities,
> not freedom because of a firm embracing of them.
We in the USA claim freedom is a natural, fundamental right.
Defending freedom, or speculation about being worthy of freedom are
other topics.
Integrity honor and respect are also great topics.
> If Sting wanted to be a butthead that night, that's his business, really.
> But it doesn't mean he is due any admiration because of it, and it would be
> sad if that alone actually sold more tickets.
This is the first I've heard of a claimed anti-American-people bias by
Sting. I'm not going to judge him on a single report.
> Rock stars and movie stars are not roll models for the next generation,
> current generation, last generation or m-m-m-my g-g-generation. They are
> just entertainers, that's all - and far too many are barely passing for
> responsible adults.
Some are role models, others are not, IMO.
> I don't go to concerts or movies put on by musicians, actors/actresses,
> directors, etc that like to run their mouths just because they have a
> captive audience. I go see people performing their craft with expertise,
> passion and enthusiasm - no hidden/secondary agenda (not that we go see much
> of anything beyond Chuckee Cheese with kids ;-).
Beware of Chuckee's agenda!
> Saying what you think is
> one thing, but saying what you think in a way that others will respect you
> seems to be becoming a long lost art.
True, between individuals and between countries. I hope the next
administration does a better job with diplomacy.
>>>>> Apple sucks.
>
> Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
> just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
> Jamie. ;-))
What would you do with all your spare time? Better stay with Vista.
Someone has to buy it so Apple doesn't get too big. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
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Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
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I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
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card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
again.
All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris effects.
All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
What else is there?
Sadly,
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No. The DAC does not have a clock input or output. I thought the same
thing at first.
According to the Benchmark DAC manual the DAC has it's own clock, sort of .
.. . It has something called UltraLock and is 100% jitter immune. It's an
internal D/A conversion clock.
In my studio the Big Ben is only used to clock one MEC.
You can download the user manuals at both sites.
Wayne
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46952afb$1@linux...
>
> Does the DAC-1 automatically take it's clock from the Big Ben?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>
>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
> and
>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>
>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
> and
>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it. It
>
>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>>stuff,
>
>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>coffee!
>>
>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is
> so
>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>>very
>
>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
> '04
>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
> This
>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>
>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>
>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
>
>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the DAC
>
>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
> bass
>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>>field
>
>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>distinguishable now.
>>
>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>
>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
> I
>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>
>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
> for
>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>
>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
>
>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
>
>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
> and
>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half the
>
>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>>it's
>
>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>>almost
>
>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>
>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>Neil.
>
>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Wayne
>>Paris since '97
>>
>>
>Bill,
I did that, . . . sort of. The DAC has no clock in's or outs. I did run
Paris on internal clock and took the digital s/pdif out of the MEC to the
DAC and to the monitors and this is where I heard the biggest improvement.
Then I listened to my monitors without the DAC (my previous setup) and
clocked it with the Big Ben. It sounded more stable if you can understand
what I mean and did clean up the sound also, but not as dramatic or
noticable as with the DAC test.
Everything I listened to was recorded on Paris internal so my initial
recordings used Paris's A/D and internal clock. I think I can hear a little
flutter in my recordings which I didn't hear before. I believe DJ is right.
Once I record with the Big Ben I'll probably truely hear the clarity and
separation.
Wayne
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:46959638@linux...
> Wayne, I'm curious how much difference you would hear if you clocked Paris
> to the DAC1 alone? Have you listened to that?
>
> Wayne Carson wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>> 1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>> and one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>
>> It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>> and used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
>> It locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>> stuff, specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be
>> the coffee!
>>
>> I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is
>> so much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>> very similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio
>> and '04 Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about
>> for me. This should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing.
>> My '06 Tundra truck sound system is not even close, but that's another
>> issue.
>>
>> In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the
>> Paris L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or
>> the DAC cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard
>> with the bass and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance
>> and stereo field and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are
>> more distinguishable now.
>>
>> Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>> off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
>> I know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref
>> amp when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my
>> desk for fill and to curl my toes.
>>
>> I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
>> very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>> warmth between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped,
>> busy and flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about
>> half the problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the
>> DAC1 and it's XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm
>> and round, almost surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>
>> I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>> Neil. I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne
>> Paris since '97Brad,
I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a bit
mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face. If
anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
really good. Don't ya think?
Wayne
"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
news:469540ee$1@linux...
>
> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how much
> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could function
> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
> sync
> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my Digidesign
> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>
> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
> reality
> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
> details.
> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of the
> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs. I'm
> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for surround....you'll
> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>
> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
> www.audioandmidi.com
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>
>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
> and
>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>
>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
> and
>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it. It
>
>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>>stuff,
>
>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>coffee!
>>
>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it is
> so
>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>>very
>
>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
> '04
>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
> This
>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>
>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>
>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
>
>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the DAC
>
>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
> bass
>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>>field
>
>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>distinguishable now.
>>
>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>
>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
> I
>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>
>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
> for
>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>
>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
>
>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
>
>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
> and
>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half the
>
>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>>it's
>
>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>>almost
>
>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>
>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>Neil.
>
>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Wayne
>>Paris since '97
>>
>>
>I always forget to check my mix's in mono. It really sounds blah. But the
last time I did it, it revealed some loudness/leveling issues.
Wayne
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:469529e9$1@linux...
>
> No, not "mixing WITH mono!" I have a client who wants his CD to be in
> mono.
> It's an interesting thing mixing in mono.
>
> More to come...
>
> Gantt"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4695a8d8@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
>> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a
>> **** about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an
>> America?
>
> No. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.
I'm not so sure.
>
>
> > I'd
>> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that
>> 49% of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without
>> really understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's
>> arsses would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't
>> willing to stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled
>> to whatever opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my
>> dollar. Shut up and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with
>> James on this one.
>
> Yeah, maybe you're right, Deej. I guess the only option is to smart bomb
> Sting's studio. We simply can't put up with this national affront from the
> 80s. Why didn't Reagan move on this immediately? Stupid left wing Reagan!
Smart bombs weren't really perfected in the 80's so he might have missed and
hit a school or something and caused collateral damage? You know how those
liberals jump up and down and scream about collateral damage don't you? ;o)
"Real ,men" bomb embassies and stuff like that.
>
> Anyhoo, you get to decide what you do in your studio. Sting gets to decide
> what he does at his shows. If in the 80s when people were still trying to
> be edgy like the Sex Pistols, if Sting wanted to risk insulting a few
> people while apparently making others cheer, that was his call to make.
> James can boycott him for the rest of his life, and that's his call. I can
> question that decision and that's my call. You can question my question
> and that's your call. Freedom rocks.
>
>
>> I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
>> definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look
>> at the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way
>> before the 60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my
>> opinions to be taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give
>> me the benefit of the doubt without some sort of reference point would be
>> crazy.
>
> I am feeling a little crazy today but I'll try to keep your advice in
> mind. It's because I'm playing drums at a gig this weekend. Drummers are
> all a little crazy.
>
................but they get to beat on stuff. Very good for the subliminal
anger/frustration factor. I say, if you're gonna be a drummer and you're not
already pissed off about something, get pissed off about something. ;o)
>
>>> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>>
>> Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a
>> lot of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
>> fuelling it.
>
> The way truth is used in blather-head talk radio is the same way worms are
> used in fishing. They use just enough to conceal the hook.
>
> My advice is to KEEP SWIMMING.
>
>
>> Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
>> There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
>
> Heh, I worked an AC/DC concert once. We can trade stories...
..................does Angus really like his groupies to put on "little
catholic schoolgirl" costumes?
>
>
>>> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
>>> a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>>> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>>> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>>
>> Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what
>> happened 20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about
>> this Van Halen concert back in the 70's?
>
> :^)
>
> Rock on!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
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iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
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Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
Same deal. =20
I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the last=20
EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
again.
All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris effects.
All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
What else is there?
Sadly,
Tom
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------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C7C44F.85B8A6C0--On one hand yes, on the other...no. The NS10's were a great representation
of the real-world many years ago, and well they still are to a point today
as well. BUT the quality of recording has improved so much and there are
more end-users buying higher-qualtiy playback systems these days. It's easy
to think everyone listens to MP3's, I can't stand them to be honest--the
audio quality is awful in even the best MP3's when compared to raw audio
through high-resolution D/A's and monitors or high-end home theatre systems.
I have clients buying MiniDAC's and DAC1's just for a home stereo, I even
do it myself.
Today, you really just need ONE good set of studio monitors to mix on...likewise,
it's not a bad idea to have a playback set such as the NS10's, but I'd not
personally mix on them. I've owned a few sets of NS10's over the years and
I've NEVER mixed on them, only as a reference. With real-world, pro monitors
(the ADAM A7's and DynAudio BM5A's are really the entry-level to "pro" IMHO
these days) that allow you to actually hear what is going on, that will make
more of a difference than mixing on NS10's. You can't mix what you can't
hear. Again, I'm not saying not to use NS10's at all...but I'd not recommend
mixing on them because of their legacy.
Brad Lyons
Sweetwater
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Brad,
>
>I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
>correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a bit
>mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face.
If
>anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
>really good. Don't ya think?
>
>Wayne
>
>
>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>news:469540ee$1@linux...
>>
>> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how
much
>> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
>> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could function
>> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
>> sync
>> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my Digidesign
>> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>>
>> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
>> reality
>> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
>> details.
>> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of
the
>> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs. I'm
>> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for surround....you'll
>> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>>
>> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
>> www.audioandmidi.com
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>
>>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>> and
>>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>
>>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>> and
>>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
It
>>
>>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>>>stuff,
>>
>>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>>coffee!
>>>
>>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it
is
>> so
>>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>>>very
>>
>>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
>> '04
>>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
>> This
>>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>>
>>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>>
>>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
>>
>>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the
DAC
>>
>>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
>> bass
>>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>>>field
>>
>>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>>distinguishable now.
>>>
>>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>>
>>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
>> I
>>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>>
>>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
>> for
>>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>>
>>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
A
>>
>>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
>>
>>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
>> and
>>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
the
>>
>>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>>>it's
>>
>>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>>>almost
>>
>>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>
>>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>>Neil.
>>
>>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Wayne
>>>Paris since '97
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Back in the day, there were many problems with native plugins and Paris with
Waves. There were also issues with the TC native plugins, too. Each time
I went to Edmund about it, he stated it was these other companies didn't
code their software properly. That's odd, because they worked in my PC Logic
Audio system as well as Wavelab and Soundforge back then. Yet Paris was
the ONLY application they all had issues with, so this is nothing new unfortunately....
Wow, has it really been 10-years since I bought Paris????? woah!
Brad
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Neil,
>Ya, now that you mention it me too. Not really a big problem though.
>T.
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@.com> wrote in message news:46946a84$1@linux...
>
> I had the Gold Bundle 2.0 working fine on Paris v2.2;
> I was running Win98SE at the time.
>
> Dunno if that helps any. Only issue I had was that you had to
> mute the track before the audio came in, otherwise you'd hear
> a "POP!" right where the track started - this is a fairly common
> Waves/Paris issue, though, from what I understand.
>
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Steve,
> >I had very good luck with Waves tech support. I have their Gold =
>Bundle
> =3D
> >3.6
> >working flawlessly on XP with Paris. They had to walk me through a =
>=3D
> >bunch
> >of numbers to input but it was painless 'once we got down to it'.
> >Dynamo Hum
> >
> > "Steve L." <slavii@aol.com> wrote in message =
>news:46942750$1@linux...
> >
> > This was the response I got from the people at waves. Does anyone
=
>=3D
> >have ideas
> > ? I would hate to have to run win98 on my brand new computer. =
>=3D20
> >
> >
> > "Waves 3.2 was the last version tested here to work with Paris. =3D
> >However Waves
> > 3.2 will not work on Windows XP. Paris no longer released any =
>further
> =3D
> >updates
> > for their product while Waves was at version 3.0.
> > Also as mentioned on the phone, Wave no longer can sell or =
>authorize =3D
> >version
> > 3.x products. You can try out the version 4 from our website, which
=
>is
> =3D
> >compatible
> > with Windows XP, however from what we have seen, this will not work
=
>=3D
> >with
> > Paris". =3D20
> > >
> > >
> > I have just upgraded from paris 3.0 running on an old computer =
>running
> =3D
> >win
> > >98 to a new computer running xp. My problem is I have the waves =
>gold
> =3D
> >bundle
> > >version 2.0 which will not run on xp. I talked to waves and they
=
>say
> =3D
> >they
> > >don't have a current version of the gold bundle that will run in =
>=3D
> >paris.
> >
> > >Is this true? Does anyone have any ideas?=3D20
> >
> >
> >
> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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> >here to=3D20
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=
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> >Paris no=3D20
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> >was at=3D20
> > version 3.0.<BR>Also as mentioned on the phone, Wave no longer can
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> >our=3D20
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=
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> > seen, this will not work with<BR>Paris". =3D20
> > <BR>><BR>><BR>I have just upgraded from paris 3.0 running on an =3D
> >old=3D20
> > computer running win<BR>>98 to a new computer running xp. My =3D
> >problem=3D20
> > is I have the waves gold bundle<BR>>version 2.0 which will not run
=
>=3D
> >on=3D20
> > xp. I talked to waves and they say they<BR>>don't have a =3D
> >current=3D20
> > version of the gold bundle that will run in paris.<BR><BR>>Is =
>this=3D20
> > true? Does anyone have any ideas? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Neil,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ya, now that you mention it me =
>too. Not=20
>really a big problem though.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>T.</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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> <DIV>"Neil" <<A href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@.com">OIUOIU@.com</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message <A=20
> href=3D"news:46946a84$1@linux">news:46946a84$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I
=
>had the=20
> Gold Bundle 2.0 working fine on Paris v2.2;<BR>I was running Win98SE =
>at the=20
> time.<BR><BR>Dunno if that helps any. Only issue I had was that you =
>had=20
> to<BR>mute the track before the audio came in, otherwise you'd =
>hear<BR>a=20
> "POP!" right where the track started - this is a fairly =
>common<BR>Waves/Paris=20
> issue, though, from what I =
>understand.<BR><BR><BR>Neil<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Tom=20
> Bruhl" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Steve,<BR>>I had very good luck with =
>Waves=20
> tech support. I have their Gold =
>Bundle<BR>=3D<BR>>3.6<BR>>working=20
> flawlessly on XP with Paris. They had to walk me through a=20
> =3D<BR>>bunch<BR>>of numbers to input but it was painless 'once =
>we got=20
> down to it'.<BR>>Dynamo Hum<BR>><BR>> "Steve L." <<A =
>
> href=3D"mailto:slavii@aol.com">slavii@aol.com</A>> wrote in message =
><A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:46942750$1@linux">news:46942750$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>t; =20
> This was the response I got from the people at waves. Does =
>anyone=20
> =3D<BR>>have ideas<BR>> ? I would hate to have to =
>run win98 on=20
> my brand new computer. =3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Waves 3.2 =
>was the=20
> last version tested here to work with Paris. =3D<BR>>However=20
> Waves<BR>> 3.2 will not work on Windows XP. Paris no longer =
>released=20
> any further<BR>=3D<BR>>updates<BR>> for their product =
>while Waves=20
> was at version 3.0.<BR>> Also as mentioned on the phone, Wave =
>no=20
> longer can sell or authorize =3D<BR>>version<BR>> 3.x =
>products. You=20
> can try out the version 4 from our website, which=20
> is<BR>=3D<BR>>compatible<BR>> with Windows XP, however =
>from what we=20
> have seen, this will not work =3D<BR>>with<BR>> =20
> Paris". =3D20<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> ><BR>> I have just upgraded from paris 3.0 running on an =
>old=20
> computer running<BR>=3D<BR>>win<BR>> >98 to a new =
>computer=20
> running xp. My problem is I have the waves=20
> gold<BR>=3D<BR>>bundle<BR>> >version 2.0 which will not =
>run on=20
> xp. I talked to waves and they =
>say<BR>=3D<BR>>they<BR>> =20
> >don't have a current version of the gold bundle that will run in=20
> =3D<BR>>paris.<BR>><BR>> >Is this true? Does =
>anyone have=20
> any ideas?=3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft =
>Lockspam to=20
> fight spam, and =
>you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
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> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
> =
>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>D><BR>><BODY=20
> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>Steve,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I had very good luck with Waves tech=20
> =3D<BR>>support. =3D20<BR>>I have their Gold Bundle=20
> 3.6</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>
> size=3D3D2>working flawlessly on XP with =3D<BR>>Paris. They=20
> had=3D20<BR>>to walk me through a=20
> bunch</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>of numbers to input but it was =
>painless<BR>=3D<BR>>'once=20
> we=3D20<BR>>got down to=20
> it'.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>Dynamo =
>Hum</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>=20
> =
></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =
>0px;=20
> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
>2px solid;=20
> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Steve L." <<A=20
> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:slavii@aol.com">slavii@aol.com</A>>=3D20'>mailto:slavii@ao=
>l.com">slavii@aol.com</A>>=3D20</A><BR>> =20
> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:46942750$1@linux">news:46942750$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>This=
>'>news:46942750$1@linux">news:46942750$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>;<BR>This</A>=3D<BR>>=20
> was=3D20<BR>> the response I got from the people at waves. =
>Does anyone=20
> have=3D20<BR>> ideas<BR>? I would hate to have to run =
>win98 on my=20
> brand new=3D20<BR>> computer. =
><BR><BR><BR>"Waves 3.2=20
> was the last version tested =3D<BR>>here to=3D20<BR>> work =
>with Paris.=20
> However Waves<BR>3.2 will not work on Windows XP. =
>=3D<BR>>Paris=20
> no=3D20<BR>> longer released any further updates<BR>for =
>their=20
> product while Waves =3D<BR>>was at=3D20<BR>> version=20
> 3.0.<BR>Also as mentioned on the phone, Wave no longer can =
>=3D<BR>>sell=20
> or=3D20<BR>> authorize version<BR>3.x products. You can =
>try out=20
> the version 4 from<BR>=3D<BR>>our=3D20<BR>> website, which =
>is=20
> compatible<BR>with Windows XP, however from what=20
> we<BR>=3D<BR>>have=3D20<BR>> seen, this will not work=20
> with<BR>Paris". =3D20<BR>> =20
> <BR>><BR>><BR>I have just upgraded from paris =
>3.0=20
> running on an =3D<BR>>old=3D20<BR>> computer running=20
> win<BR>>98 to a new computer running xp. My=20
> =3D<BR>>problem=3D20<BR>> is I have the waves gold=20
> bundle<BR>>version 2.0 which will not run=20
> =3D<BR>>on=3D20<BR>> xp. I talked to waves and they say=20
> they<BR>>don't have a =3D<BR>>current=3D20<BR>> =
>version of=20
> the gold bundle that will run in paris.<BR><BR>>Is=20
> this=3D20<BR>> true? Does anyone have any ideas?=20
> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>spam,=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D" <A=20
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>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
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>
>Harder in some ways, easier in others. Definitely interesting. I have listened
to mono thru one speaker but in the real world these mono mixes will get
played thru two mostly. I will do some single point checking though...
Gantt
"DC" <dc@spammersinmono.com> wrote:
>
>Harder than you thought huh?
>
>Have you tried shutting off one monitor speaker? Things will change
>when you do...
>
>DC
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>No, not "mixing WITH mono!" I have a client who wants his CD to be in
mono.
>> It's an interesting thing mixing in mono.
>>
>>More to come...
>>
>>Gantt
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sorry for these dumb questions Tom but...
does this second Mec work all by itself...with every card?
are you sure you have Mec #1 connected to Card A ? (where ever that card =
is in your rig)
Don
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4695d5bf@linux...
Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
Same deal. =20
I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the last=20
EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
again.
All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris effects.
All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
What else is there?
Sadly,
Tom
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sorry for these dumb questions =
Tom=20
but...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>does this second Mec work all by =
itself...with=20
every card?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>are you sure you have Mec #1 connected =
to Card=20
A ? </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(where ever that card is in your=20
rig)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry to shout but this is driving me =
insane.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am working with a cloned drive that =
used to=20
work with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 Mecs and WC. </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can not</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get a second Mec to show up and =
receive=20
clock. It</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>doesn't matter if it's at the end of =
the line or=20
anywhere</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>else. It doesn't matter if it's =
internally=20
clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>clocked. I've changed Mecs, =
clock cables,=20
SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and no changes. I've even tried =
a reinstall=20
of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Same deal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I must be doing something totally =
wrong for this=20
to continue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The only thing else I can think to =
try is=20
swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EDS card with another or go down to =
four. =20
Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the =
connectors=20
between all the cards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All EDS cards are up and running and =
play audio=20
with Paris effects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing =
else.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What else is there?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
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Deej,
Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris about five times total in the =
last day and a half.
I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
thing.
I'm getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 loaded with cards attached =
to what has always
been Card A for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with just =
that one. I'll try=20
all the others in that position just to see though.
I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
thing. How could that be=20
the evil that won't allow hardware to show up?
Thanks,
Tom
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =
news:4696229c$1@linux...
Have you tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did you =
iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4695d5bf@linux...
Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
Same deal. =20
I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the last=20
EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
again.
All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris effects.
All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
What else is there?
Sadly,
Tom
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris =
about five=20
times total in the last day and a half.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am close to starting from scratch and =
possibly=20
doing the antipace thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I =
have Mec 1=20
loaded with cards attached to what has always</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>been Card A for three years. Can =
that change?=20
Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>all the others in that </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>position just to see though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am close to starting from scratch and =
possibly=20
doing the antipace thing. How could that be </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the evil that won't allow hardware to =
show=20
up?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message <A =
href=3D"news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you tested each MEC =
individually? I'd start=20
there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry to shout but this is driving =
me=20
insane.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am working with a cloned drive =
that used to=20
work with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 Mecs and WC. </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can not</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get a second Mec to show up and =
receive=20
clock. It</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>doesn't matter if it's at the end =
of the line=20
or anywhere</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>else. It doesn't matter if =
it's=20
internally clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>clocked. I've changed Mecs, =
clock cables,=20
SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and no changes. I've even =
tried a=20
reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Same deal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I must be doing something totally =
wrong for=20
this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The only thing else I can think to =
try is=20
swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EDS card with another or go down to =
four. =20
Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the =
connectors=20
between all the cards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All EDS cards are up and running =
and play audio=20
with Paris effects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with =
nothing=20
else.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What else is there?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam, and=20
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Hi Don,
I can't get either of the other two mecs to work on any card.
I will check them as card A though. Thanks for the idea.
I have had 5 cards side by side in the Magma for three years.
Will Paris even boot with one card attached to card E and no others?
I thought not. But maybe I've had A and E backwards all this time?
They're the outside cards either way. The sync cable would be backwards
though since they're being daisy chained when using only two.
I'll check each mec individually and try card A as the other end just to =
see.
Thanks,
Tom
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:46962992$1@linux...
sorry for these dumb questions Tom but...
does this second Mec work all by itself...with every card?
are you sure you have Mec #1 connected to Card A ? (where ever that =
card is in your rig)
Don
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4695d5bf@linux...
Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
Same deal. =20
I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the last=20
EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
again.
All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris effects.
All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
What else is there?
Sadly,
Tom
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>are you sure you have Mec #1 =
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clock cables,=20
SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and no changes. I've even =
tried a=20
reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Same deal. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I must be doing something totally =
wrong for=20
this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C7C471.9A287640--On 7/12/07 12:18 AM, in article 4695c929@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
>> is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
>> that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
>> than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
>
> How so? Is this just an impression based on something, (we don't exactly
> know what), that Sting was supposed to have said at one concert more
> than 20 years ago? Is that "this all"?
Yes it is based on many years of living here with my eyes and ears open. :-)
And how is it this became a thread based on arguing about what someone else
said someone else said 20 years ago. ;-) That's kind of the point. It
seems to be enough of a concern to defend what Sting might have said 20
years ago, without knowing if it was just the Vodka talking. ;-)
No, there also aren't any stats on your opinion either.
Also, the French don't like Americans. My French teacher told us that 20
years ago (at least Parisians - aka les Parisiennes) . She had just gotten
back from France. I heard her say it myself. Of course I would still love
to visit France, and Italy, Spain, the UK, etc.
>>>>>> Apple sucks.
>>
>> Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
>> just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
>> Jamie. ;-))
>
> What would you do with all your spare time? Better stay with Vista.
> Someone has to buy it so Apple doesn't get too big. :^)
Only have a laptop on Vista, and it actually is working quite well despite
the FUD around Vista. Everything else is XP. I've only avoided Apple
because Apple and Mac users can never actually come up with a convincing
argument for Macs that even came close to refuting my own conclusions, and
until recently the pretty logos and cases cost the same as a full PC. ;-)
Still more expensive, but not so much so anymore.
Some features in Leopard are enticing. Still want to see a head to head
performance with Nuendo, plugin counts, disk streaming, DSP cards, multicore
use between OSX and XP before considering the leap though. I also have a
ton of software that is PC only that I'll either have to crossgrade, or keep
on a farm PC - pretty costly proposition either way (money or workflow). It
also really comes down to shortening the transition between my clients'
systems and mine - pretty painless now, but avoiding the Fat32 Firewire
drive transfer Mac to PC (2G file limit in Fat32) would help.
If a Mac can magically grant me spare time I'll go buy one, or 3 today.
I'm dreaming of having a day off...someday.
Regards,
Dedric
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>Yeah, great stuff. I believe he was 92 when it was shot, but I could be
wrong.
Graham
Jeff Hoover wrote:
> Just got through watching the PBS special on Les Paul. He is kind of
> the antithesis of some of the rockers we talked about a few weeks back
> who are shot. He ended the special with a rendition of "somewhere over
> the rainbow" that had as much or more emotion to it than any vocalist
> I've ever heard do it. DOn't know how long ago they shot the special,
> but he looks to be at least deep into his eighties.
>
> Wow!!!!
>
>
> Jef"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I'm getting a similar experience on my PC switch. Trend 2 port PS2 is a
bit
>slow, but works. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to pull it because when
I
>switch it there's a pause in the native playback.
>Are you seeing that on yours too?
>
>AA
It does seem a little slow at times, but no real pauses.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4695613c$1@linux...
>>
>> I have 3 KMV switches. I have a Belkin with PS2, it works but it has
a
>> floating
>> palette you have to have open and click to switch, which sucks. I have
a
>> ioGear USB switch with audio, it's a POS! locks up on a regular basis.
>> And I have a $19.00 TrendMicro PS2/USB switch which works great, but the
>> keyboard and mouse have to be PS2. The cheap TrendMicro is the best by
>> far.
>>
>> I have decided to not invest in to KMV switches anymore, I'm going to
try
>> to use remote desktop, etc. Also I have a pile of 17" to 20" CRTs I got
>> for free on Craig's list. Free CRTs are on there all the time, people
are
>> giving them away now.
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Yeah, the silver dually Mac I have at work doesn't seem to like the 4
port
>>
>>>Belkin I have on it and always eventually locks up. I'm sure glad you're
>>
>>>having better luck on it Gantt. I wonder if there is something to the
>>>Belkin/Mac combo that's not a happy pair.
>>>Anyone else using another brand that 'is' happy with Mac/Mac or Mac/PC
?
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:46952ab6$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I run two computers these days - One for Paris (1.25 gHz DP G4) and
one
>>
>>>> for
>>>> FX (867 mHz G4 running Digital Performer w/ Waves and UAD-1 plugins,
>>>> mostly
>>>> for the Waves IR-1 reverbs). I just got a Belkin 'Flip' which allows
>> me
>>>> to control both computers with one mouse and keyboard and to have one
>> of
>>>> my monitors flip between computers. So now I can switch from having
>>>> Paris
>>>> on both my 19" LCD screens to having Paris on the left and Digital
>>>> Performer
>>>> on the right. Way cool! And only gets stuck every now and then!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
> On 7/12/07 12:18 AM, in article 4695c929@linux, "Jamie K"
> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
>>> is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
>>> that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
>>> than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
>> How so? Is this just an impression based on something, (we don't exactly
>> know what), that Sting was supposed to have said at one concert more
>> than 20 years ago? Is that "this all"?
>
> Yes it is based on many years of living here with my eyes and ears open. :-)
> And how is it this became a thread based on arguing about what someone else
> said someone else said 20 years ago. ;-) That's kind of the point. It
> seems to be enough of a concern to defend what Sting might have said 20
> years ago, without knowing if it was just the Vodka talking. ;-)
>
> No, there also aren't any stats on your opinion either.
Not needed from this perspective. I'm not trying to generalizing a trend
from one event, or from a personal feeling.
However, stats and evidence are needed if you are going to try and
deduce a trend in a convincing way. Otherwise it's just idle speculation.
I didn't defend Sting for saying he hates all Americans. I said that if
he did say such a thing it would be ignorant.
But we don't know what he said exactly. We just know that one witness
had one conclusion, but the same witness also remembers other witnesses
cheering which raises doubt about Sting's intended meaning. "The Vodka
talking" is a possibility, as you say. Or not. I wasn't there and the
picture is murky and faded.
I would not write an article based on one such report to try and claim
that Sting hates all of the American people today, or even that he
really hated all of the American people back then. That would be
ludicrous. I can't judge Sting due to one incident 20 years ago
incompletely reported. It would take further evidence.
Especially since his lyrics are not lyrics of national hate. Quite the
contrary.
> Also, the French don't like Americans. My French teacher told us that 20
> years ago (at least Parisians - aka les Parisiennes) . She had just gotten
> back from France. I heard her say it myself. Of course I would still love
> to visit France, and Italy, Spain, the UK, etc.
Before we digress into national generalizations, is Sting French? I
thought he was English.
Travel is wonderful. You should go. I should go. Let's go.
>>>>>>> Apple sucks.
>>> Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
>>> just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
>>> Jamie. ;-))
>> What would you do with all your spare time? Better stay with Vista.
>> Someone has to buy it so Apple doesn't get too big. :^)
>
> Only have a laptop on Vista, and it actually is working quite well despite
> the FUD around Vista. Everything else is XP. I've only avoided Apple
> because Apple and Mac users can never actually come up with a convincing
> argument for Macs that even came close to refuting my own conclusions, and
> until recently the pretty logos and cases cost the same as a full PC. ;-)
> Still more expensive, but not so much so anymore.
Dang, you're catching on. We'll have to add more pretty logos to repel you.
Immediate action is required. Both you and Deej have mentioned
considering Macs. This is really bad for the exclusivity factor, and it
will hurt Apple's ability to play the underdog card. Once you guys get
Macs everyone will get them. Apple will become completely insufferable.
We will find a way to stop you! :^)
> Some features in Leopard are enticing. Still want to see a head to head
> performance with Nuendo, plugin counts, disk streaming, DSP cards, multicore
> use between OSX and XP before considering the leap though.
If you do such a test or run across one, let us know. That would be very
interesting, especially if Nuendo is coded efficiently for both
platforms. (If it's not, then it wouldn't be a good comparison test.)
> I also have a
> ton of software that is PC only that I'll either have to crossgrade, or keep
> on a farm PC - pretty costly proposition either way (money or workflow). It
> also really comes down to shortening the transition between my clients'
> systems and mine - pretty painless now, but avoiding the Fat32 Firewire
> drive transfer Mac to PC (2G file limit in Fat32) would help.
>
> If a Mac can magically grant me spare time I'll go buy one, or 3 today.
> I'm dreaming of having a day off...someday.
Busy is good. Travel is good. How about getting a MacBook Pro and doing
your work on the way to Italy? :^)
Except don't get a MacBook Pro. Just use your steam-powered fifty pound
Vista box with the serrated knives mounted to the keys. ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4695a8d8@linux...
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
>>> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a
>>> **** about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an
>>> America?
>> No. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.
>
> I'm not so sure.
Drug use increases paranoia?
>>> I'd
>>> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that
>>> 49% of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without
>>> really understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's
>>> arsses would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't
>>> willing to stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled
>>> to whatever opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my
>>> dollar. Shut up and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with
>>> James on this one.
>> Yeah, maybe you're right, Deej. I guess the only option is to smart bomb
>> Sting's studio. We simply can't put up with this national affront from the
>> 80s. Why didn't Reagan move on this immediately? Stupid left wing Reagan!
>
> Smart bombs weren't really perfected in the 80's so he might have missed and
> hit a school or something and caused collateral damage? You know how those
> liberals jump up and down and scream about collateral damage don't you? ;o)
> "Real ,men" bomb embassies and stuff like that.
Don't you think it would be worth killing any number of innocent people
to put a stop to Sting's clear threat to the American way? If we lost
all of England, it would be well worth it, don't you think?
>> Anyhoo, you get to decide what you do in your studio. Sting gets to decide
>> what he does at his shows. If in the 80s when people were still trying to
>> be edgy like the Sex Pistols, if Sting wanted to risk insulting a few
>> people while apparently making others cheer, that was his call to make.
>> James can boycott him for the rest of his life, and that's his call. I can
>> question that decision and that's my call. You can question my question
>> and that's your call. Freedom rocks.
>>
>>
>>> I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
>>> definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look
>>> at the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way
>>> before the 60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my
>>> opinions to be taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give
>>> me the benefit of the doubt without some sort of reference point would be
>>> crazy.
>> I am feeling a little crazy today but I'll try to keep your advice in
>> mind. It's because I'm playing drums at a gig this weekend. Drummers are
>> all a little crazy.
>>
> ...............but they get to beat on stuff. Very good for the subliminal
> anger/frustration factor. I say, if you're gonna be a drummer and you're not
> already pissed off about something, get pissed off about something. ;o)
It's great therapy. If everyone played drums there would be no war.
Other than a possible increase in battle of the bands incidents...
>>>> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>>> Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a
>>> lot of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
>>> fuelling it.
>> The way truth is used in blather-head talk radio is the same way worms are
>> used in fishing. They use just enough to conceal the hook.
>>
>> My advice is to KEEP SWIMMING.
>>
>>
>>> Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
>>> There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
>> Heh, I worked an AC/DC concert once. We can trade stories...
>
> .................does Angus really like his groupies to put on "little
> catholic schoolgirl" costumes?
Heh. That I didn't see...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
>>>> a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>>>> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>>>> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>>> Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what
>>> happened 20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about
>>> this Van Halen concert back in the 70's?
>> :^)
>>
>> Rock on!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote:
>
> BUT the quality of recording has improved so much and there are more end-users
buying higher-qualtiy playback systems these days.
I see no evidence of this at all. Perhaps you do because your clients have
studios and want a good system in the living room. I see the almost complete
elimination of quality home stereo equipment. Especially amoung younger
folks, they are likely to buy a little docking station for their iPod which
has the equivalent of crappy PC speakers. There aren't even any consumer
audio stores around anymore. The complete victory of convenience over quality.
What's amusing and sad is that we are all working at 24/96 or whatever,
with great equipment, and then the final product gets trashed upon distribution.Hi Brad,
Hmmmm, points to ponder. I will research the ADAM A7's and BM5A's. Thanks
for the info.
BTW - do you have an entry level "pro" recommendation on a studio reference
pwr amp to match the A7's?
My Alesis RA-100 outputs 75 watts into 8 ohms. The NS-10s are 8 ohms rated
at 60w program. Pretty good match. I do like the RA-100 because it's
totally quiet, no fan, uses heat sink in the rear. I've never felt the amp
get hot. I can hold the heat sink in the back even after a days work so it
doesn't produce much heat also.
Wayne
"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
news:46962344$1@linux...
>
> On one hand yes, on the other...no. The NS10's were a great
> representation
> of the real-world many years ago, and well they still are to a point today
> as well. BUT the quality of recording has improved so much and there are
> more end-users buying higher-qualtiy playback systems these days. It's
> easy
> to think everyone listens to MP3's, I can't stand them to be honest--the
> audio quality is awful in even the best MP3's when compared to raw audio
> through high-resolution D/A's and monitors or high-end home theatre
> systems.
> I have clients buying MiniDAC's and DAC1's just for a home stereo, I even
> do it myself.
>
> Today, you really just need ONE good set of studio monitors to mix
> on...likewise,
> it's not a bad idea to have a playback set such as the NS10's, but I'd not
> personally mix on them. I've owned a few sets of NS10's over the years and
> I've NEVER mixed on them, only as a reference. With real-world, pro
> monitors
> (the ADAM A7's and DynAudio BM5A's are really the entry-level to "pro"
> IMHO
> these days) that allow you to actually hear what is going on, that will
> make
> more of a difference than mixing on NS10's. You can't mix what you can't
> hear. Again, I'm not saying not to use NS10's at all...but I'd not
> recommend
> mixing on them because of their legacy.
>
> Brad Lyons
> Sweetwater
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>Brad,
>>
>>I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
>
>>correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a bit
>
>>mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face.
> If
>>anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
>
>>really good. Don't ya think?
>>
>>Wayne
>>
>>
>>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>>news:469540ee$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how
> much
>>> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
>>> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could
>>> function
>>> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
>
>>> sync
>>> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my
>>> Digidesign
>>> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>>>
>>> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
>
>>> reality
>>> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
>
>>> details.
>>> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of
> the
>>> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs. I'm
>>> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for
>>> surround....you'll
>>> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>>>
>>> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
>>> www.audioandmidi.com
>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>>
>>>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>>> and
>>>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>>
>>>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>>> and
>>>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
> It
>>>
>>>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>
>>>>stuff,
>>>
>>>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>>>coffee!
>>>>
>>>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it
> is
>>> so
>>>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>
>>>>very
>>>
>>>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
>>> '04
>>>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
>>> This
>>>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>>>
>>>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>>>
>>>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the
>>>>Paris
>>>
>>>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the
> DAC
>>>
>>>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
>>> bass
>>>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>
>>>>field
>>>
>>>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>>>distinguishable now.
>>>>
>>>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16)
>>>>trim
>>>
>>>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100
>>>>(yah,
>>> I
>>>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>>>
>>>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
>>> for
>>>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>>>
>>>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
> A
>>>
>>>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>>>>warmth
>>>
>>>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
>>> and
>>>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
> the
>>>
>>>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>
>>>>it's
>>>
>>>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>
>>>>almost
>>>
>>>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>>
>>>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>
>>>>Neil.
>>>
>>>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Wayne
>>>>Paris since '97
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I have a Crown and and Alesis RA also and your right - the crown gets very
hot after a few hours the Alesis is cool to the touch. But Crown also does
not use a fan and sounds great if your looking for an amp, I have never had
an issue with it after several years - but it does get hot...
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Hi Brad,
>
>Hmmmm, points to ponder. I will research the ADAM A7's and BM5A's. Thanks
>for the info.
>
>BTW - do you have an entry level "pro" recommendation on a studio reference
>pwr amp to match the A7's?
>My Alesis RA-100 outputs 75 watts into 8 ohms. The NS-10s are 8 ohms rated
>at 60w program. Pretty good match. I do like the RA-100 because it's
>totally quiet, no fan, uses heat sink in the rear. I've never felt the
amp
>get hot. I can hold the heat sink in the back even after a days work so
it
>doesn't produce much heat also.
>
>Wayne
>
>
>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>news:46962344$1@linux...
>>
>> On one hand yes, on the other...no. The NS10's were a great
>> representation
>> of the real-world many years ago, and well they still are to a point today
>> as well. BUT the quality of recording has improved so much and there
are
>> more end-users buying higher-qualtiy playback systems these days. It's
>> easy
>> to think everyone listens to MP3's, I can't stand them to be honest--the
>> audio quality is awful in even the best MP3's when compared to raw audio
>> through high-resolution D/A's and monitors or high-end home theatre
>> systems.
>> I have clients buying MiniDAC's and DAC1's just for a home stereo, I even
>> do it myself.
>>
>> Today, you really just need ONE good set of studio monitors to mix
>> on...likewise,
>> it's not a bad idea to have a playback set such as the NS10's, but I'd
not
>> personally mix on them. I've owned a few sets of NS10's over the years
and
>> I've NEVER mixed on them, only as a reference. With real-world, pro
>> monitors
>> (the ADAM A7's and DynAudio BM5A's are really the entry-level to "pro"
>> IMHO
>> these days) that allow you to actually hear what is going on, that will
>> make
>> more of a difference than mixing on NS10's. You can't mix what you can't
>> hear. Again, I'm not saying not to use NS10's at all...but I'd not
>> recommend
>> mixing on them because of their legacy.
>>
>> Brad Lyons
>> Sweetwater
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>Brad,
>>>
>>>I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
>>
>>>correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a
bit
>>
>>>mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face.
>> If
>>>anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
>>
>>>really good. Don't ya think?
>>>
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>>>news:469540ee$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how
>> much
>>>> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
>>>> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could
>>>> function
>>>> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
>>
>>>> sync
>>>> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my
>>>> Digidesign
>>>> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>>>>
>>>> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
>>
>>>> reality
>>>> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
>>
>>>> details.
>>>> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of
>> the
>>>> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs.
I'm
>>>> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for
>>>> surround....you'll
>>>> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>>>>
>>>> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
>>>> www.audioandmidi.com
>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>>>
>>>>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>>>> and
>>>>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>>>
>>>>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>>>> and
>>>>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
>> It
>>>>
>>>>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>>
>>>>>stuff,
>>>>
>>>>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>>>>coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and
it
>> is
>>>> so
>>>>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>>
>>>>>very
>>>>
>>>>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio
and
>>>> '04
>>>>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
>>>> This
>>>>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>>>>
>>>>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the
>>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the
>> DAC
>>>>
>>>>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with
the
>>>> bass
>>>>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>>
>>>>>field
>>>>
>>>>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>>>>distinguishable now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16)
>>>>>trim
>>>>
>>>>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100
>>>>>(yah,
>>>> I
>>>>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref
amp
>>>>
>>>>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my
desk
>>>> for
>>>>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
>> A
>>>>
>>>>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>>>>>warmth
>>>>
>>>>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
>>>> and
>>>>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>>
>>>>>it's
>>>>
>>>>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>>
>>>>>almost
>>>>
>>>>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>
>>>>>Neil.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Wayne
>>>>>Paris since '97
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
follow-up
in a few days. Thanks to all again.
respect
NappyNappy wrote:
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
> respect
> Nappy
Great to hear it...but the prayers won't stop!!!
JeffDid you mean to match the NS10's?? The A7's are active, so no amp is needed
plus they are bi-amped. As to the amp for NS10's, well I was a big fan of
Hafler but they went belly-up. I'd have to say (surprisingly) the SL2A from
ART. IMHO, there really isn't much to choose from these days as active has
taken over so much.
Brad
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Hi Brad,
>
>Hmmmm, points to ponder. I will research the ADAM A7's and BM5A's. Thanks
>for the info.
>
>BTW - do you have an entry level "pro" recommendation on a studio reference
>pwr amp to match the A7's?
>My Alesis RA-100 outputs 75 watts into 8 ohms. The NS-10s are 8 ohms rated
>at 60w program. Pretty good match. I do like the RA-100 because it's
>totally quiet, no fan, uses heat sink in the rear. I've never felt the
amp
>get hot. I can hold the heat sink in the back even after a days work so
it
>doesn't produce much heat also.
>
>Wayne
>
>
>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>news:46962344$1@linux...
>>
>> On one hand yes, on the other...no. The NS10's were a great
>> representation
>> of the real-world many years ago, and well they still are to a point today
>> as well. BUT the quality of recording has improved so much and there
are
>> more end-users buying higher-qualtiy playback systems these days. It's
>> easy
>> to think everyone listens to MP3's, I can't stand them to be honest--the
>> audio quality is awful in even the best MP3's when compared to raw audio
>> through high-resolution D/A's and monitors or high-end home theatre
>> systems.
>> I have clients buying MiniDAC's and DAC1's just for a home stereo, I even
>> do it myself.
>>
>> Today, you really just need ONE good set of studio monitors to mix
>> on...likewise,
>> it's not a bad idea to have a playback set such as the NS10's, but I'd
not
>> personally mix on them. I've owned a few sets of NS10's over the years
and
>> I've NEVER mixed on them, only as a reference. With real-world, pro
>> monitors
>> (the ADAM A7's and DynAudio BM5A's are really the entry-level to "pro"
>> IMHO
>> these days) that allow you to actually hear what is going on, that will
>> make
>> more of a difference than mixing on NS10's. You can't mix what you can't
>> hear. Again, I'm not saying not to use NS10's at all...but I'd not
>> recommend
>> mixing on them because of their legacy.
>>
>> Brad Lyons
>> Sweetwater
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>Brad,
>>>
>>>I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
>>
>>>correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a
bit
>>
>>>mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face.
>> If
>>>anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
>>
>>>really good. Don't ya think?
>>>
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>>>news:469540ee$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how
>> much
>>>> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
>>>> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could
>>>> function
>>>> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
>>
>>>> sync
>>>> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my
>>>> Digidesign
>>>> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>>>>
>>>> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
>>
>>>> reality
>>>> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
>>
>>>> details.
>>>> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of
>> the
>>>> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs.
I'm
>>>> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for
>>>> surround....you'll
>>>> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>>>>
>>>> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
>>>> www.audioandmidi.com
>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>>>
>>>>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>>>> and
>>>>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>>>
>>>>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>>>> and
>>>>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
>> It
>>>>
>>>>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>>
>>>>>stuff,
>>>>
>>>>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>>>>coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and
it
>> is
>>>> so
>>>>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>>
>>>>>very
>>>>
>>>>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio
and
>>>> '04
>>>>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
>>>> This
>>>>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>>>>
>>>>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the
>>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the
>> DAC
>>>>
>>>>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with
the
>>>> bass
>>>>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>>
>>>>>field
>>>>
>>>>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>>>>distinguishable now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16)
>>>>>trim
>>>>
>>>>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100
>>>>>(yah,
>>>> I
>>>>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref
amp
>>>>
>>>>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my
desk
>>>> for
>>>>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
>> A
>>>>
>>>>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>>>>>warmth
>>>>
>>>>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
>>>> and
>>>>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>>
>>>>>it's
>>>>
>>>>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>>
>>>>>almost
>>>>
>>>>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>
>>>>>Neil.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Wayne
>>>>>Paris since '97
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I can get a mix to sound good on the Peavey Versaray, but that doesn't mean
it will be as good across multiple systems. NS10's were wonderful in their
day, but today---gear quality has changed dramatically. They are fine for
listen-back, but they won't show you in-depth frequency. Mix on any kind
of Adam's sometime, you'll know what I mean within 30-seconds.
Brad
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Brad,
>
>I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
>correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a bit
>mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face.
If
>anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
>really good. Don't ya think?
>
>Wayne
>
>
>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>news:469540ee$1@linux...
>>
>> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how
much
>> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
>> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could function
>> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
>> sync
>> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my Digidesign
>> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>>
>> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
>> reality
>> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
>> details.
>> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of
the
>> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs. I'm
>> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for surround....you'll
>> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>>
>> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
>> www.audioandmidi.com
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>
>>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>> and
>>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>
>>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>> and
>>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
It
>>
>>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>>>stuff,
>>
>>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>>coffee!
>>>
>>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it
is
>> so
>>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>>>very
>>
>>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
>> '04
>>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
>> This
>>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>>
>>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>>
>>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the Paris
>>
>>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the
DAC
>>
>>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
>> bass
>>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>>>field
>>
>>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>>distinguishable now.
>>>
>>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>>
>>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
>> I
>>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>>
>>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
>> for
>>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>>
>>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
A
>>
>>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of warmth
>>
>>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
>> and
>>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
the
>>
>>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>>>it's
>>
>>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>>>almost
>>
>>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>
>>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>>Neil.
>>
>>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Wayne
>>>Paris since '97
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Great News!
And here's to a speedy and full recovery
Don
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
news:469679e4$1@linux...
> Nappy wrote:
>> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying
>> colors.
>> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
>> follow-up
>> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
> Great to hear it...but the prayers won't stop!!!
>
> JeffBless you man, thanks for letting us know how it's going.
AA
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:46967969$1@linux...
>
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying
> colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
> respect
> NappyHey Nappy, that's wonderful news!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Nappy wrote:
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
> respect
> NappyGreat news Nappy!! Glad you are doing well!
Regards,
Dedric
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:46967969$1@linux...
>
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying
> colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
> respect
> NappyGreat to hear and welcome to new and better days.
Erling
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> skrev i melding news:46967969$1@linux...
>
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying
> colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
> respect
> NappyThat rocks!
Glad to hear it.
DC
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
>I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post
a
>follow-up
>in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
>respect
>NappyThat's great! Glad your OK.
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
>I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post
a
>follow-up
>in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
>respect
>NappyYEAH!!!....that's so wonderful man. Great news!
;o)
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:46967969$1@linux...
>
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying
> colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
> respect
> NappyGreat news!
:)
Graham
Nappy wrote:
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
> respect
> NappyThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Nappy,
I was on my way to the gig thinking about you.
Your good news makes my week!
Good luck with your full recovery.
Tom
"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message =
news:4696bda0@linux...
Great news!
:)
Graham
Nappy wrote:
> Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with =
flying colors.
> I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll =
post a
> follow-up
> in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>=20
> respect
> Nappy
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was on my way to the gig thinking =
about=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your good news makes my =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck with your full=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C7C4C1.EAA7DBB0--That's great! Glad to hear your doing well.
Rod
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
>I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post
a
>follow-up
>in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
>respect
>NappyTom, have you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may be a funky
MEC word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or even
a bad mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but anything's possible)
Just a thought.
Rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Deej,
>Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris about five times total in the =
>last day and a half.
>I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
>thing.
>I'm getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 loaded with cards attached
=
>to what has always
>been Card A for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with just
=
>that one. I'll try=20
>all the others in that position just to see though.
>
>I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
>thing. How could that be=20
>the evil that won't allow hardware to show up?
>Thanks,
>Tom
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =
>news:4696229c$1@linux...
> Have you tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did you =
>iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>news:4695d5bf@linux...
> Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
>
> I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
> 2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
> get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
> doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
> else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
> clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
> and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
> Same deal. =20
>
> I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
> The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the last=20
> EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
> card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
> again.
>
> All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris effects.
> All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
> What else is there?
> Sadly,
> Tom
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris
=
>about five=20
>times total in the last day and a half.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am close to starting from scratch and
=
>possibly=20
>doing the antipace thing.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I =
>have Mec 1=20
>loaded with cards attached to what has always</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>been Card A for three years. Can =
>that change?=20
>Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>all the others in that </FONT><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>position just to see though.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am close to starting from scratch and
=
>possibly=20
>doing the antipace thing. How could that be </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the evil that won't allow hardware to =
>show=20
>up?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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> <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message <A =
>
> href=3D"news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have you tested each MEC =
>individually? I'd start=20
> there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message <A =
>href=3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry to shout but this is driving
=
>me=20
> insane.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am working with a cloned drive =
>that used to=20
> work with</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 Mecs and WC. </FONT><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can not</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>get a second Mec to show up and =
>receive=20
> clock. It</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>doesn't matter if it's at the end =
>of the line=20
> or anywhere</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>else. It doesn't matter if =
>it's=20
> internally clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>clocked. I've changed Mecs, =
>clock cables,=20
> SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and no changes. I've even =
>tried a=20
> reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Same deal. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I must be doing something totally =
>wrong for=20
> this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The only thing else I can think to
=
>try is=20
> swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EDS card with another or go down to
=
>four. =20
> Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the =
>connectors=20
> between all the cards</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>again.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All EDS cards are up and running =
>and play audio=20
> with Paris effects.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with =
>nothing=20
> else.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What else is there?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
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>
>Great to hear dude.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
>I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post
a
>follow-up
>in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
>respect
>NappyHi all,
I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem that
I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module b)
in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different slots
but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows and most
of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed eds
cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than I
want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
David using xp and paris 3.0Do you have a (quality) wordclock BNC cable from the master MEC to the 2nd
one?
AA
"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4696ddfa$1@linux...
>
> Hi all,
> I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem
> that
> I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module b)
> in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different
> slots
> but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows and
> most
> of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed
> eds
> cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than I
> want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
> David using xp and paris 3.0Hey Aaron,
It is a new bnc that I had purchased for my own system from morgan, should
be ok. I was wondering about the length of this bnc though it is probably
about 8ft.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Do you have a (quality) wordclock BNC cable from the master MEC to the 2nd
>one?
>
>AA
>
>"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4696ddfa$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem
>> that
>> I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module
b)
>> in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different
>> slots
>> but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows and
>> most
>> of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed
>> eds
>> cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than
I
>> want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
>> David using xp and paris 3.0
>
>"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Try skipping mec b and connect mec c in your global master sometimes on
my system mec b does not work, then check your patchbay to see if mec c shows
up. Hope that helps
>Hi all,
>I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem that
>I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module
b)
>in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different
slots
>but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows and
most
>of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed
eds
>cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than
I
>want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
>David using xp and paris 3.0Terry, not sure I understand. Are you using 3 eds1000 cards?
"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Try skipping mec b and connect mec c in your global master sometimes on
>my system mec b does not work, then check your patchbay to see if mec c
shows
>up. Hope that helps
>>Hi all,
>>I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem
that
>>I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module
>b)
>>in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different
>slots
>>but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows and
>most
>>of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed
>eds
>>cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than
>I
>>want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
>>David using xp and paris 3.0
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Hey Rod,
Ya I've been swapping things out to no end just to be sure.
I even had trouble getting it going with internal clock which ruled
out the Lucid in my mind.
The latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at all with other Mecs
being the master. In the process I smoked the original Mec A
because the SCSI cable was half in at start up. I heard a crack
and then the smell of burning chips. It still powers up but it's out
of the picture now. Loaded with modules too.
Now nothing gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll try
that next. I have a local engineer coming over to see what=20
Paris can do. He's very well respected in these parts.
To bad I'm down for the count it seems.
Ass
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
news:4696c93b$1@linux...
Tom, have you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may be =
a funky
MEC word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =
even
a bad mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but anything's =
possible)
Just a thought.
Rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Deej,
>Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris about five times total in the =
=3D
>last day and a half.
>I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
=3D
>thing.
>I'm getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 loaded with cards =
attached
=3D
>to what has always
>been Card A for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with =
just
=3D
>that one. I'll try=3D20
>all the others in that position just to see though.
>
>I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
=3D
>thing. How could that be=3D20
>the evil that won't allow hardware to show up?
>Thanks,
>Tom
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =3D
>news:4696229c$1@linux...
> Have you tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did you =3D
>iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D
>news:4695d5bf@linux...
> Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
>
> I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
> 2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
> get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
> doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
> else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
> clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
> and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
> Same deal. =3D20
>
> I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
> The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the last=3D20
> EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
> card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
> again.
>
> All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris =
effects.
> All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
> What else is there?
> Sadly,
> Tom
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, =
reinstalled Paris
=3D
>about five=3D20
>times total in the last day and a half.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from =
scratch and
=3D
>possibly=3D20
>doing the antipace thing.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I =
=3D
>have Mec 1=3D20
>loaded with cards attached to what has always</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>been Card A for three years. Can =
=3D
>that change?=3D20
>Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>all the others in that =
</FONT><FONT =3D
>face=3D3DArial=3D20
>size=3D3D2>position just to see though.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from =
scratch and
=3D
>possibly=3D20
>doing the antipace thing. How could that be </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>the evil that won't allow =
hardware to =3D
>show=3D20
>up?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20
>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message <A =
=3D
>
> href=3D3D"news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Have you tested each MEC =3D
>individually? I'd start=3D20
> there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20
> style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
=3D
>wrote in=3D20
> message <A =3D
>href=3D3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sorry to shout but this is =
driving
=3D
>me=3D20
> insane.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am working with a cloned =
drive =3D
>that used to=3D20
> work with</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. </FONT><FONT =
=3D
>face=3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can not</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>get a second Mec to show up =
and =3D
>receive=3D20
> clock. It</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>doesn't matter if it's at =
the end =3D
>of the line=3D20
> or anywhere</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>else. It doesn't matter if =
=3D
>it's=3D20
> internally clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>clocked. I've changed Mecs, =
=3D
>clock cables,=3D20
> SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and no changes. I've even =
=3D
>tried a=3D20
> reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Same deal. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I must be doing something =
totally =3D
>wrong for=3D20
> this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The only thing else I can =
think to
=3D
>try is=3D20
> swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>EDS card with another or go =
down to
=3D
>four. =3D20
> Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the =
=3D
>connectors=3D20
> between all the cards</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>again.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>All EDS cards are up and =
running =3D
>and play audio=3D20
> with Paris effects.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>All 5 cards share 3 IRQs =
with =3D
>nothing=3D20
> else.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>What else is =
there?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
=3D
>spam, and=3D20
> you?<BR><A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
fer=3D
>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>=3D
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Rod,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ya I've been swapping things out to no =
end just to=20
be sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I even had trouble getting it going =
with internal=20
clock which ruled</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>out the Lucid in my mind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The latest news is I couldn't get it to =
boot at all=20
with other Mecs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>being the master. In the process =
I smoked the=20
original Mec A</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>because the SCSI cable was half in at =
start=20
up. I heard a crack</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and then the smell of burning =
chips. It still=20
powers up but it's out</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of the picture now. Loaded with =
modules=20
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now nothing gets it going except maybe =
the lowly=20
442. I'll try</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that next. I have a local =
engineer coming=20
over to see what </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris can do. He's very well =
respected in=20
these parts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To bad I'm down for the count it=20
seems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ass</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Tom,=
have=20
you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may be a =
funky<BR>MEC=20
word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =
even<BR>a bad=20
mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but anything's=20
possible)<BR>Just a thought.<BR>Rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Deej,<BR>>Ya, I've uninstalled, =
reinstalled=20
Paris about five times total in the =3D<BR>>last day and a =
half.<BR>>I am=20
close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace=20
=3D<BR>>thing.<BR>>I'm getting pretty good at it. I have =
Mec 1=20
loaded with cards attached<BR>=3D<BR>>to what has =
always<BR>>been Card A=20
for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with =
just<BR>=3D<BR>>that=20
one. I'll try=3D20<BR>>all the others in that position just =
to see=20
though.<BR>><BR>>I am close to starting from scratch and =
possibly doing=20
the antipace =3D<BR>>thing. How could that be=3D20<BR>>the =
evil that=20
won't allow hardware to show =
up?<BR>>Thanks,<BR>>Tom<BR>> "DJ"=20
<animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message=20
=3D<BR>>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> Have you tested each =
MEC=20
individually? I'd start there. Did you =3D<BR>>iuninstall/reinstall =
Paris=20
yet?<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
=3D<BR>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> Sorry to =
shout but=20
this is driving me insane.<BR>><BR>> I am =
working with=20
a cloned drive that used to work with<BR>> 2 Mecs =
and=20
WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not<BR>> =
get a=20
second Mec to show up and receive clock. =
It<BR>> =20
doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or=20
anywhere<BR>> else. It doesn't matter if =
it's=20
internally clocked or externally<BR>> =
clocked. I've=20
changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables<BR>> and =
no=20
changes. I've even tried a reinstall of =
Paris.<BR>> =20
Same deal. =3D20<BR>><BR>> I must be doing =
something=20
totally wrong for this to continue.<BR>> The only =
thing=20
else I can think to try is swapping the =
last=3D20<BR>> EDS=20
card with another or go down to four. Maybe=20
it's<BR>> card 5? Or, triple check the =
connectors=20
between all the cards<BR>> =20
again.<BR>><BR>> All EDS cards are up and =
running and=20
play audio with Paris effects.<BR>> All 5 cards =
share 3=20
IRQs with nothing else.<BR>> What else is=20
there?<BR>> Sadly,<BR>> =20
Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> I choose Polesoft =
Lockspam to=20
fight spam, and you?<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> =20
<BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>><META=20
http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
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D><BR>><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV& ;gt; <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled=20
Paris<BR>=3D<BR>>about five=3D20<BR>>times total in the last day =
and a=20
half.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=20
and<BR>=3D<BR>>possibly=3D20<BR>>doing the antipace=20
thing.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I =3D<BR>>have Mec=20
1=3D20<BR>>loaded with cards attached to what has=20
always</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>been Card A for three years. Can =3D<BR>>that=20
change?=3D20<BR>>Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>all the others in that </FONT><FONT=20
=3D<BR>>face=3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>size=3D3D2>position just to =
see=20
though.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=20
and<BR>=3D<BR>>possibly=3D20<BR>>doing the antipace thing. How =
could that be=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>the evil that won't allow hardware to=20
=
=3D<BR>>show=3D20<BR>>up?</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV&g=
t;<FONT=20
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV&a mp;gt; <BR>><DIV><FONT=
=20
face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
dir=3D3Dltr=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px;=20
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; =
MARGIN-RIGHT:=20
0px"><BR>> <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot =
_=20
net> wrote in message <A =3D<BR>><BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:46=
96229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>=
> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Have you tested each =
MEC=20
=3D<BR>>individually? I'd start=3D20<BR>> there. Did you=20
iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20<BR>> =
style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=20
PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
2px solid;=20
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Tom =
Bruhl"=20
<<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arpegi=
o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=20
=3D<BR>>wrote in=3D20<BR>> message <A=20
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:4695d5=
bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>>&nbs=
p; =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sorry to shout but =
this is=20
driving<BR>=3D<BR>>me=3D20<BR>> =20
insane.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am working with a =
cloned drive=20
=3D<BR>>that used to=3D20<BR>> work=20
with</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. </FONT><FONT=20
=3D<BR>>face=3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =
size=3D3D2>Now no matter=20
what I do, I can =
not</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>get a second Mec to =
show up and=20
=3D<BR>>receive=3D20<BR>> clock.=20
It</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>doesn't matter if it's at the end =
=3D<BR>>of the=20
line=3D20<BR>> or=20
anywhere</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>else. It doesn't =
matter if=20
=3D<BR>>it's=3D20<BR>> internally clocked or=20
externally</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>clocked. I've changed =
Mecs,=20
=3D<BR>>clock cables,=3D20<BR>> SCSI=20
cables</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and no changes. I've even =
=3D<BR>>tried=20
a=3D20<BR>> reinstall of=20
Paris.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Same deal.=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I must be doing =
something totally=20
=3D<BR>>wrong for=3D20<BR>> this to=20
continue.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The only thing else I =
can think=20
to<BR>=3D<BR>>try is=3D20<BR>> swapping the =
last=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>EDS card with another or go down =
to<BR>=3D<BR>>four.=20
=3D20<BR>> Maybe=20
it's</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the=20
=3D<BR>>connectors=3D20<BR>> between all the=20
cards</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>again.</FONT></DIV&am p;gt; <BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>All EDS cards are up and running =3D<BR>>and play=20
audio=3D20<BR>> with Paris=20
effects.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>All 5 cards share 3 =
IRQs with=20
=3D<BR>>nothing=3D20<BR>> =20
else.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>What else is=20
there?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
<DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV&am p;gt; <BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>> =20
<DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose =
Polesoft Lockspam=20
to fight =3D<BR>>spam, and=3D20<BR>> =20
you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>> =
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>=3D<BR>>.html</A>=20
=
</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY&=
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>
------=_NextPart_000_00D0_01C7C4E0.9D2FEA70--On 13 Jul 2007 04:56:41 +1000, "Nappy" <mgrant62@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>
>Thanks for all the prayers. I got out of the hospital wed with flying colors.
>I ve got a ton of meds,but everything is going to be alright. I'll post a
>follow-up
>in a few days. Thanks to all again.
>
>respect
>Nappy
That rocks!!!! Hang in there and let's hope everything is smooth
sailing!
pab"david" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'am using 4 cards two mecs. How many are you using? How many pci slots
do you have available
>Terry, not sure I understand. Are you using 3 eds1000 cards?
>
>"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>>
>>"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Try skipping mec b and connect mec c in your global master sometimes on
>>my system mec b does not work, then check your patchbay to see if mec c
>shows
>>up. Hope that helps
>>>Hi all,
>>>I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem
>that
>>>I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module
>>b)
>>>in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different
>>slots
>>>but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows and
>>most
>>>of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed
>>eds
>>>cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than
>>I
>>>want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
>>>David using xp and paris 3.0
>>
>"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>David in your pci slots next to mec A skip mec b and go to your next slot
in most cases would be slot c thats why I asked how many pci slots did you
had available
>"david" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>I'am using 4 cards two mecs. How many are you using? How many pci slots
>do you have available
>
>>Terry, not sure I understand. Are you using 3 eds1000 cards?
>>
>>"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Try skipping mec b and connect mec c in your global master sometimes
on
>>>my system mec b does not work, then check your patchbay to see if mec
c
>>shows
>>>up. Hope that helps
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem
>>that
>>>>I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module
>>>b)
>>>>in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different
>>>slots
>>>>but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows and
>>>most
>>>>of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed
>>>eds
>>>>cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than
>>>I
>>>>want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
>>>>David using xp and paris 3.0
>>>
>>
>That kinda totally sucks. Sorry.
rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Rod,
>Ya I've been swapping things out to no end just to be sure.
>I even had trouble getting it going with internal clock which ruled
>out the Lucid in my mind.
>
>The latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at all with other Mecs
>being the master. In the process I smoked the original Mec A
>because the SCSI cable was half in at start up. I heard a crack
>and then the smell of burning chips. It still powers up but it's out
>of the picture now. Loaded with modules too.
>
>Now nothing gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll try
>that next. I have a local engineer coming over to see what=20
>Paris can do. He's very well respected in these parts.
>To bad I'm down for the count it seems.
>Ass
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
>news:4696c93b$1@linux...
>
> Tom, have you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may be
=
>a funky
> MEC word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =
>even
> a bad mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but anything's
=
>possible)
> Just a thought.
> Rod
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Deej,
> >Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris about five times total in the
=
>=3D
> >last day and a half.
> >I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
>=3D
> >thing.
> >I'm getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 loaded with cards =
>attached
> =3D
> >to what has always
> >been Card A for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with =
>just
> =3D
> >that one. I'll try=3D20
> >all the others in that position just to see though.
> >
> >I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace =
>=3D
> >thing. How could that be=3D20
> >the evil that won't allow hardware to show up?
> >Thanks,
> >Tom
> > "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =3D
> >news:4696229c$1@linux...
> > Have you tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did you =3D
> >iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D
> >news:4695d5bf@linux...
> > Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
> >
> > I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
> > 2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
> > get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
> > doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
> > else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or externally
> > clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
> > and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
> > Same deal. =3D20
> >
> > I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
> > The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the last=3D20
> > EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
> > card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
> > again.
> >
> > All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris =
>effects.
> > All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
> > What else is there?
> > Sadly,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, =
>reinstalled Paris
> =3D
> >about five=3D20
> >times total in the last day and a half.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from =
>scratch and
> =3D
> >possibly=3D20
> >doing the antipace thing.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I
=
>=3D
> >have Mec 1=3D20
> >loaded with cards attached to what has always</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>been Card A for three years. Can
=
>=3D
> >that change?=3D20
> >Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>all the others in that =
></FONT><FONT =3D
> >face=3D3DArial=3D20
> >size=3D3D2>position just to see though.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from =
>scratch and
> =3D
> >possibly=3D20
> >doing the antipace thing. How could that be </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>the evil that won't allow =
>hardware to =3D
> >show=3D20
> >up?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20
> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>=3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message <A =
>=3D
> >
> > href=3D3D"news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Have you tested each MEC =3D
> >individually? I'd start=3D20
> > there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20
> > style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
=
>=3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> > href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
>=3D
> >wrote in=3D20
> > message <A =3D
> >href=3D3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sorry to shout but this is =
>driving
> =3D
> >me=3D20
> > insane.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am working with a cloned =
>drive =3D
> >that used to=3D20
> > work with</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. </FONT><FONT
=
>=3D
> >face=3D3DArial=3D20
> > size=3D3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can not</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>get a second Mec to show up
=
>and =3D
> >receive=3D20
> > clock. It</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>doesn't matter if it's at =
>the end =3D
> >of the line=3D20
> > or anywhere</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>else. It doesn't matter if =
>=3D
> >it's=3D20
> > internally clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>clocked. I've changed Mecs,
=
>=3D
> >clock cables,=3D20
> > SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and no changes. I've even =
>=3D
> >tried a=3D20
> > reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Same deal. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I must be doing something =
>totally =3D
> >wrong for=3D20
> > this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The only thing else I can =
>think to
> =3D
> >try is=3D20
> > swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>EDS card with another or go
=
>down to
> =3D
> >four. =3D20
> > Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the
=
>=3D
> >connectors=3D20
> > between all the cards</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>again.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>All EDS cards are up and =
>running =3D
> >and play audio=3D20
> > with Paris effects.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>All 5 cards share 3 IRQs =
>with =3D
> >nothing=3D20
> > else.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>What else is =
>there?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight
=
>=3D
> >spam, and=3D20
> > you?<BR><A=3D20
> > =3D
> =
>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>fer=3D
> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>=3D
> ></HTML>
> >
> >
>
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Rod,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ya I've been swapping things out to no
=
>end just to=20
>be sure.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I even had trouble getting it going =
>with internal=20
>clock which ruled</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>out the Lucid in my mind.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The latest news is I couldn't get it to
=
>boot at all=20
>with other Mecs</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>being the master. In the process =
>I smoked the=20
>original Mec A</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>because the SCSI cable was half in at =
>start=20
>up. I heard a crack</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and then the smell of burning =
>chips. It still=20
>powers up but it's out</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of the picture now. Loaded with =
>modules=20
>too.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now nothing gets it going except maybe
=
>the lowly=20
>442. I'll try</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that next. I have a local =
>engineer coming=20
>over to see what </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris can do. He's very well =
>respected in=20
>these parts.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To bad I'm down for the count it=20
>seems.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ass</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>t;=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Tom,=
> have=20
> you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may be a =
>funky<BR>MEC=20
> word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =
>even<BR>a bad=20
> mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but anything's=20
> possible)<BR>Just a thought.<BR>Rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Deej,<BR>>Ya, I've uninstalled, =
>reinstalled=20
> Paris about five times total in the =3D<BR>>last day and a =
>half.<BR>>I am=20
> close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace=20
> =3D<BR>>thing.<BR>>I'm getting pretty good at it. I have =
>Mec 1=20
> loaded with cards attached<BR>=3D<BR>>to what has =
>always<BR>>been Card A=20
> for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with =
>just<BR>=3D<BR>>that=20
> one. I'll try=3D20<BR>>all the others in that position just =
>to see=20
> though.<BR>><BR>>I am close to starting from scratch and =
>possibly doing=20
> the antipace =3D<BR>>thing. How could that be=3D20<BR>>the =
>evil that=20
> won't allow hardware to show =
>up?<BR>>Thanks,<BR>>Tom<BR>> "DJ"=20
> <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message=20
> =3D<BR>>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> Have you tested each =
>MEC=20
> individually? I'd start there. Did you =3D<BR>>iuninstall/reinstall =
>Paris=20
> yet?<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> =3D<BR>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> Sorry to =
>shout but=20
> this is driving me insane.<BR>><BR>> I am =
>working with=20
> a cloned drive that used to work with<BR>> 2 Mecs =
>and=20
> WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not<BR>> =
>get a=20
> second Mec to show up and receive clock. =
>It<BR>> =20
> doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or=20
> anywhere<BR>> else. It doesn't matter if =
>it's=20
> internally clocked or externally<BR>> =
>clocked. I've=20
> changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables<BR>> and =
>no=20
> changes. I've even tried a reinstall of =
>Paris.<BR>> =20
> Same deal. =3D20<BR>><BR>> I must be doing =
>something=20
> totally wrong for this to continue.<BR>> The only =
>thing=20
> else I can think to try is swapping the =
>last=3D20<BR>> EDS=20
> card with another or go down to four. Maybe=20
> it's<BR>> card 5? Or, triple check the =
>connectors=20
> between all the cards<BR>> =20
> again.<BR>><BR>> All EDS cards are up and =
>running and=20
> play audio with Paris effects.<BR>> All 5 cards =
>share 3=20
> IRQs with nothing else.<BR>> What else is=20
> there?<BR>> Sadly,<BR>> =20
> Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> I choose Polesoft =
>Lockspam to=20
> fight spam, and you?<BR>> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>.html</A> =20
> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
> =
>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>D><BR>><BODY=20
> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled=20
> Paris<BR>=3D<BR>>about five=3D20<BR>>times total in the last day =
>and a=20
> half.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=20
> and<BR>=3D<BR>>possibly=3D20<BR>>doing the antipace=20
> thing.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I =3D<BR>>have Mec=20
> 1=3D20<BR>>loaded with cards attached to what has=20
> always</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>been Card A for three years. Can =3D<BR>>that=20
> change?=3D20<BR>>Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>all the others in that </FONT><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>size=3D3D2>position just to =
>see=20
> though.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=20
> and<BR>=3D<BR>>possibly=3D20<BR>>doing the antipace thing. How =
>could that be=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>the evil that won't allow hardware to=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>show=3D20<BR>>up?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV&g=
>t;<FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=
>=20
> face=3D3DArial =
>size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
> dir=3D3Dltr=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: =
>5px;=20
> MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; =
>MARGIN-RIGHT:=20
> 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot =
>_=20
> net> wrote in message <A =3D<BR>><BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:46=
>96229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>=
>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Have you tested each =
>MEC=20
> =3D<BR>>individually? I'd start=3D20<BR>> there. Did you=20
> iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20<BR>> =
>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=20
> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
>2px solid;=20
> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Tom =
>Bruhl"=20
> <<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arpegi=
>o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=20
> =3D<BR>>wrote in=3D20<BR>> message <A=20
> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:4695d5=
>bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>>&nbs=
>p; =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Sorry to shout but =
>this is=20
> driving<BR>=3D<BR>>me=3D20<BR>> =20
> insane.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I am working with a =
>cloned drive=20
> =3D<BR>>that used to=3D20<BR>> work=20
> with</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. </FONT><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =
>size=3D3D2>Now no matter=20
> what I do, I can =
>not</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>get a second Mec to =
>show up and=20
> =3D<BR>>receive=3D20<BR>> clock.=20
> It</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>doesn't matter if it's at the end =
>=3D<BR>>of the=20
> line=3D20<BR>> or=20
> anywhere</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>else. It doesn't =
>matter if=20
> =3D<BR>>it's=3D20<BR>> internally clocked or=20
> externally</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>clocked. I've changed =
>Mecs,=20
> =3D<BR>>clock cables,=3D20<BR>> SCSI=20
> cables</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and no changes. I've even =
>=3D<BR>>tried=20
> a=3D20<BR>> reinstall of=20
> Paris.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Same deal.=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I must be doing =
>something totally=20
> =3D<BR>>wrong for=3D20<BR>> this to=20
> continue.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The only thing else I =
>can think=20
> to<BR>=3D<BR>>try is=3D20<BR>> swapping the =
>last=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>EDS card with another or go down =
>to<BR>=3D<BR>>four.=20
> =3D20<BR>> Maybe=20
> it's</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the=20
> =3D<BR>>connectors=3D20<BR>> between all the=20
> cards</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>again.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>=20
> </DIV><BR>> <DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>All EDS cards are up and running =3D<BR>>and play=20
> audio=3D20<BR>> with Paris=20
> effects.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>All 5 cards share 3 =
>IRQs with=20
> =3D<BR>>nothing=3D20<BR>> =20
> else.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>What else is=20
> there?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>> =20
> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose =
>Polesoft Lockspam=20
> to fight =3D<BR>>spam, and=3D20<BR>> =20
> you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>> =
>=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>=3D<BR>>.html</A>=20
> =
></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY&=
>gt;=3D<BR>></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY> </HTML=
>>
>
>Thanks Brad. I'm on board for checking out the Adams. I didn't know they
were active. That pretty much solves the amp issue. Thanks again.
Wayne
"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
news:46967bda$1@linux...
>
> I can get a mix to sound good on the Peavey Versaray, but that doesn't
> mean
> it will be as good across multiple systems. NS10's were wonderful in
> their
> day, but today---gear quality has changed dramatically. They are fine for
> listen-back, but they won't show you in-depth frequency. Mix on any kind
> of Adam's sometime, you'll know what I mean within 30-seconds.
>
> Brad
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>Brad,
>>
>>I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
>
>>correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a bit
>
>>mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face.
> If
>>anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
>
>>really good. Don't ya think?
>>
>>Wayne
>>
>>
>>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>>news:469540ee$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how
> much
>>> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a BigBen
>>> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could
>>> function
>>> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
>
>>> sync
>>> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my
>>> Digidesign
>>> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>>>
>>> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
>
>>> reality
>>> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
>
>>> details.
>>> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of
> the
>>> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs. I'm
>>> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for
>>> surround....you'll
>>> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>>>
>>> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
>>> www.audioandmidi.com
>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>>
>>>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>>> and
>>>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>>
>>>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>>> and
>>>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
> It
>>>
>>>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>
>>>>stuff,
>>>
>>>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>>>coffee!
>>>>
>>>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it
> is
>>> so
>>>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>
>>>>very
>>>
>>>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
>>> '04
>>>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
>>> This
>>>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>>>
>>>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>>>
>>>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the
>>>>Paris
>>>
>>>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the
> DAC
>>>
>>>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
>>> bass
>>>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>
>>>>field
>>>
>>>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>>>distinguishable now.
>>>>
>>>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16)
>>>>trim
>>>
>>>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100
>>>>(yah,
>>> I
>>>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref amp
>>>
>>>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my desk
>>> for
>>>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>>>
>>>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
> A
>>>
>>>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>>>>warmth
>>>
>>>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
>>> and
>>>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
> the
>>>
>>>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>
>>>>it's
>>>
>>>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>
>>>>almost
>>>
>>>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>>
>>>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>
>>>>Neil.
>>>
>>>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Wayne
>>>>Paris since '97
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Active rocks, better matching between amp/speakers and the signal loss from
an amp mounted in the cabinet is so much less than even a 10 ft run of
speaker cable. I don't have any specs in front of me, but I remember how
absolutely appalled I was when I saw loss data.
If you're buying new, active is def. the way to go IMO.
AA
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:46970c11@linux...
> Thanks Brad. I'm on board for checking out the Adams. I didn't know
> they were active. That pretty much solves the amp issue. Thanks again.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
> "Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
> news:46967bda$1@linux...
>>
>> I can get a mix to sound good on the Peavey Versaray, but that doesn't
>> mean
>> it will be as good across multiple systems. NS10's were wonderful in
>> their
>> day, but today---gear quality has changed dramatically. They are fine for
>> listen-back, but they won't show you in-depth frequency. Mix on any kind
>> of Adam's sometime, you'll know what I mean within 30-seconds.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>Brad,
>>>
>>>I've read on this newsgroup and have to agree (if I understood the posts
>>
>>>correctly, but am open to suggestions too) that the NS-10s, although a
>>>bit
>>
>>>mid'ly and harsh, do a good job at throwing the bad things in your face.
>> If
>>>anyone can make a mix sound good on NS-10s, then it's probably gonna be
>>
>>>really good. Don't ya think?
>>>
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brad Lyons" <brad@audioandmidi.com> wrote in message
>>>news:469540ee$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Yep! Clocking is quite important, and many are surprised at just how
>> much
>>>> of a different a BigBen makes in most situations. I am running a
>>>> BigBen
>>>> in one of my studios, primarily because without it--nothing could
>>>> function
>>>> (I have multiple devices connected digitally as well as locked to house
>>
>>>> sync
>>>> across multiple locations). I use the Apogee MiniDAC off of my
>>>> Digidesign
>>>> 192I/O, but the DAC1 kicks butt too!
>>>>
>>>> As to a better amp....NO NO NO, honestly--get some new monitors. The
>>
>>>> reality
>>>> is if you're using NS10's, you're really missing out on a lot of other
>>
>>>> details.
>>>> Without spending much money, check out the ADAM A7's. I own a set of
>> the
>>>> P33A's as well as a pair of the S1A's and one of the 10" ADAM subs.
>>>> I'm
>>>> getting ready to get a second 10" sub and (5) A7's for
>>>> surround....you'll
>>>> be stunned when you mix on these things, seriously.
>>>>
>>>> Brad Lyons- Sweetwater
>>>> www.audioandmidi.com
>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>>>
>>>>>1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>>>> and
>>>>>one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>>>
>>>>>It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>>>> and
>>>>>used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's it.
>> It
>>>>
>>>>>locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously recorded
>>
>>>>>stuff,
>>>>
>>>>>specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it could be the
>>>>>coffee!
>>>>>
>>>>>I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it
>> is
>>>> so
>>>>>much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to translate
>>
>>>>>very
>>>>
>>>>>similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD wave radio and
>>>> '04
>>>>>Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's all about for me.
>>>> This
>>>>>should make for a whole lot less trial and error mixing. My '06 Tundra
>>>>
>>>>>truck sound system is not even close, but that's another issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the
>>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock and/or the
>> DAC
>>>>
>>>>>cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be heard with the
>>>> bass
>>>>>and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance and stereo
>>
>>>>>field
>>>>
>>>>>and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are more
>>>>>distinguishable now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16)
>>>>>trim
>>>>
>>>>>off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100
>>>>>(yah,
>>>> I
>>>>>know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref
>>>>>amp
>>>>
>>>>>when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my
>>>>>desk
>>>> for
>>>>>fill and to curl my toes.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
>> A
>>>>
>>>>>very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>>>>>warmth
>>>>
>>>>>between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped, busy
>>>> and
>>>>>flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about half
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the DAC1 and
>>
>>>>>it's
>>>>
>>>>>XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm and round,
>>
>>>>>almost
>>>>
>>>>>surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>
>>>>>Neil.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Wayne
>>>>>Paris since '97
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Well here's what is happening.
I looked very closely at the pins on the scsi cables and noticed
a slightly bent one or two on almost half of them (5). I think it's
from being careless about pushing them in. I straightened them
perfectly and yet still no luck with booting Paris. "No interface =
attached
to the Master Card" is the message. I'm only using one mec to test.
I also tried the 442. Once in a while the Magma wouldn't turn on with =
the
442 attached. I think that is because of the bent pins. That's good of
the Magma. I've tried all five cards, removed the A card and swapped it =
with another still no luck.=20
I'm lost in this quagmire now. I'm not even pissed about the busted mec
at this point. I want an answer to what is going on. The default =
project=20
is looking for external word clock so that's my only choice although I
have tried it with no Lucid attached with the same results.
I think I'll call Edmund.
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote in message =
news:469708c8$1@linux...
That kinda totally sucks. Sorry.
rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Rod,
>Ya I've been swapping things out to no end just to be sure.
>I even had trouble getting it going with internal clock which ruled
>out the Lucid in my mind.
>
>The latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at all with other Mecs
>being the master. In the process I smoked the original Mec A
>because the SCSI cable was half in at start up. I heard a crack
>and then the smell of burning chips. It still powers up but it's out
>of the picture now. Loaded with modules too.
>
>Now nothing gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll try
>that next. I have a local engineer coming over to see what=3D20
>Paris can do. He's very well respected in these parts.
>To bad I'm down for the count it seems.
>Ass
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =3D
>news:4696c93b$1@linux...
>
> Tom, have you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may =
be
=3D
>a funky
> MEC word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =
=3D
>even
> a bad mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but =
anything's
=3D
>possible)
> Just a thought.
> Rod
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Deej,
> >Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris about five times total in =
the
=3D
>=3D3D
> >last day and a half.
> >I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the =
antipace =3D
>=3D3D
> >thing.
> >I'm getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 loaded with cards =3D
>attached
> =3D3D
> >to what has always
> >been Card A for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine =
with =3D
>just
> =3D3D
> >that one. I'll try=3D3D20
> >all the others in that position just to see though.
> >
> >I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the =
antipace =3D
>=3D3D
> >thing. How could that be=3D3D20
> >the evil that won't allow hardware to show up?
> >Thanks,
> >Tom
> > "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =3D3D
> >news:4696229c$1@linux...
> > Have you tested each MEC individually? I'd start there. Did you =
=3D3D
> >iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D3D
> >news:4695d5bf@linux...
> > Sorry to shout but this is driving me insane.
> >
> > I am working with a cloned drive that used to work with
> > 2 Mecs and WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not
> > get a second Mec to show up and receive clock. It
> > doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or anywhere
> > else. It doesn't matter if it's internally clocked or =
externally
> > clocked. I've changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables
> > and no changes. I've even tried a reinstall of Paris.
> > Same deal. =3D3D20
> >
> > I must be doing something totally wrong for this to continue.
> > The only thing else I can think to try is swapping the =
last=3D3D20
> > EDS card with another or go down to four. Maybe it's
> > card 5? Or, triple check the connectors between all the cards
> > again.
> >
> > All EDS cards are up and running and play audio with Paris =3D
>effects.
> > All 5 cards share 3 IRQs with nothing else.
> > What else is there?
> > Sadly,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =3D20
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
=3D3D
> >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, =3D
>reinstalled Paris
> =3D3D
> >about five=3D3D20
> >times total in the last day and a half.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am close to starting =
from =3D
>scratch and
> =3D3D
> >possibly=3D3D20
> >doing the antipace thing.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good =
at it. I
=3D
>=3D3D
> >have Mec 1=3D3D20
> >loaded with cards attached to what has always</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>been Card A for three =
years. Can
=3D
>=3D3D
> >that change?=3D3D20
> >Paris works fine with just that one. I'll try </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>all the others in that =
=3D
></FONT><FONT =3D3D
> >face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >size=3D3D3D2>position just to see though.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am close to starting =
from =3D
>scratch and
> =3D3D
> >possibly=3D3D20
> >doing the antipace thing. How could that be </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>the evil that won't allow =
=3D
>hardware to =3D3D
> >show=3D3D20
> >up?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3D3Dltr=3D3D20
> >style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; =3D
>=3D3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message <A =
=3D
>=3D3D
> >
> > =
href=3D3D3D"news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Have you tested each =
MEC =3D3D
> >individually? I'd start=3D3D20
> > there. Did you iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3D3Dltr=3D3D20
> > style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px;
=3D
>=3D3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> > =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =3D
>=3D3D
> >wrote in=3D3D20
> > message <A =3D3D
> >href=3D3D3D"news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Sorry to shout but =
this is =3D
>driving
> =3D3D
> >me=3D3D20
> > insane.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am working with a =
cloned =3D
>drive =3D3D
> >that used to=3D3D20
> > work with</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>2 Mecs and WC. =
</FONT><FONT
=3D
>=3D3D
> >face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> > size=3D3D3D2>Now no matter what I do, I can not</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>get a second Mec to =
show up
=3D
>and =3D3D
> >receive=3D3D20
> > clock. It</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>doesn't matter if =
it's at =3D
>the end =3D3D
> >of the line=3D3D20
> > or anywhere</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>else. It doesn't =
matter if =3D
>=3D3D
> >it's=3D3D20
> > internally clocked or externally</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>clocked. I've changed =
Mecs,
=3D
>=3D3D
> >clock cables,=3D3D20
> > SCSI cables</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>and no changes. I've =
even =3D
>=3D3D
> >tried a=3D3D20
> > reinstall of Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Same deal. =
</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I must be doing =
something =3D
>totally =3D3D
> >wrong for=3D3D20
> > this to continue.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>The only thing else I =
can =3D
>think to
> =3D3D
> >try is=3D3D20
> > swapping the last </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>EDS card with another =
or go
=3D
>down to
> =3D3D
> >four. =3D3D20
> > Maybe it's</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>card 5? Or, triple =
check the
=3D
>=3D3D
> >connectors=3D3D20
> > between all the cards</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>again.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>All EDS cards are up =
and =3D
>running =3D3D
> >and play audio=3D3D20
> > with Paris effects.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>All 5 cards share 3 =
IRQs =3D
>with =3D3D
> >nothing=3D3D20
> > else.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>What else is =3D
>there?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Sadly,</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT size=3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight
=3D
>=3D3D
> >spam, and=3D3D20
> > you?<BR><A=3D3D20
> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com=
/re=3D
>fer=3D3D
> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>=3D3D
> ></HTML>
> >
> >
>
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hey Rod,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ya I've been swapping things out =
to no
=3D
>end just to=3D20
>be sure.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I even had trouble getting it =
going =3D
>with internal=3D20
>clock which ruled</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>out the Lucid in my =
mind.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The latest news is I couldn't =
get it to
=3D
>boot at all=3D20
>with other Mecs</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>being the master. In the process =
=3D
>I smoked the=3D20
>original Mec A</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>because the SCSI cable was half =
in at =3D
>start=3D20
>up. I heard a crack</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>and then the smell of burning =
=3D
>chips. It still=3D20
>powers up but it's out</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>of the picture now. Loaded with =
=3D
>modules=3D20
>too.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Now nothing gets it going except =
maybe
=3D
>the lowly=3D20
>442. I'll try</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>that next. I have a local =3D
>engineer coming=3D20
>over to see what </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paris can do. He's very well =3D
>respected in=3D20
>these parts.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>To bad I'm down for the count =
it=3D20
>seems.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ass</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
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> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=3D20
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> =3D
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>href=3D3D"news:4696c93b$1@linux">news:4696c93b$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>T=
om,=3D
> have=3D20
> you done anything to rule out the possibility that it may be a =3D
>funky<BR>MEC=3D20
> word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. Or =3D
>even<BR>a bad=3D20
> mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but =
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> possible)<BR>Just a thought.<BR>Rod<BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
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> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Deej,<BR>>Ya, I've uninstalled, =3D
>reinstalled=3D20
> Paris about five times total in the =3D3D<BR>>last day and a =3D
>half.<BR>>I am=3D20
> close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the antipace=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>thing.<BR>>I'm getting pretty good at it. I have =3D
>Mec 1=3D20
> loaded with cards attached<BR>=3D3D<BR>>to what has =3D
>always<BR>>been Card A=3D20
> for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine with =3D
>just<BR>=3D3D<BR>>that=3D20
> one. I'll try=3D3D20<BR>>all the others in that position just =3D
>to see=3D20
> though.<BR>><BR>>I am close to starting from scratch and =3D
>possibly doing=3D20
> the antipace =3D3D<BR>>thing. How could that be=3D3D20<BR>>the =3D
>evil that=3D20
> won't allow hardware to show =3D
>up?<BR>>Thanks,<BR>>Tom<BR>> "DJ"=3D20
> <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>news:4696229c$1@linux...<BR>> Have you tested each =3D
>MEC=3D20
> individually? I'd start there. Did you =
=3D3D<BR>>iuninstall/reinstall =3D
>Paris=3D20
> yet?<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote =3D
>in message=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>news:4695d5bf@linux...<BR>> Sorry to =3D
>shout but=3D20
> this is driving me insane.<BR>><BR>> I am =3D
>working with=3D20
> a cloned drive that used to work with<BR>> 2 Mecs =3D
>and=3D20
> WC. Now no matter what I do, I can not<BR>> =3D
>get a=3D20
> second Mec to show up and receive clock. =3D
>It<BR>> =3D20
> doesn't matter if it's at the end of the line or=3D20
> anywhere<BR>> else. It doesn't matter if =3D
>it's=3D20
> internally clocked or externally<BR>> =3D
>clocked. I've=3D20
> changed Mecs, clock cables, SCSI cables<BR>> and =3D
>no=3D20
> changes. I've even tried a reinstall of =3D
>Paris.<BR>> =3D20
> Same deal. =3D3D20<BR>><BR>> I must be doing =3D
>something=3D20
> totally wrong for this to continue.<BR>> The only =3D
>thing=3D20
> else I can think to try is swapping the =3D
>last=3D3D20<BR>> EDS=3D20
> card with another or go down to four. Maybe=3D20
> it's<BR>> card 5? Or, triple check the =3D
>connectors=3D20
> between all the cards<BR>> =3D20
> again.<BR>><BR>> All EDS cards are up and =3D
>running and=3D20
> play audio with Paris effects.<BR>> All 5 cards =3D
>share 3=3D20
> IRQs with nothing else.<BR>> What else is=3D20
> there?<BR>> Sadly,<BR>> =3D20
> Tom<BR>><BR>><BR>> I choose Polesoft =3D
>Lockspam to=3D20
> fight spam, and you?<BR>> <A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
fer=3D
>.html</A> =3D20
> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D20
> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =3D
>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20
> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20
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> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> =3D
>size=3D3D3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Ya, I've uninstalled, =
reinstalled=3D20
> Paris<BR>=3D3D<BR>>about five=3D3D20<BR>>times total in the last =
day =3D
>and a=3D20
> half.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=3D20
> and<BR>=3D3D<BR>>possibly=3D3D20<BR>>doing the antipace=3D20
> thing.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>I'm getting pretty good at it. I =3D3D<BR>>have =
Mec=3D20
> 1=3D3D20<BR>>loaded with cards attached to what has=3D20
> always</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>been Card A for three years. Can =3D3D<BR>>that=3D20
> change?=3D3D20<BR>>Paris works fine with just that one. I'll =
try=3D20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>all the others in that </FONT><FONT=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>position just to =
=3D
>see=3D20
> though.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>I am close to starting from scratch=3D20
> and<BR>=3D3D<BR>>possibly=3D3D20<BR>>doing the antipace thing. How =
=3D
>could that be=3D20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>the evil that won't allow hardware to=3D20
> =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>show=3D3D20<BR>>up?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV&g=3D
>t;<FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> =3D
>size=3D3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D
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> face=3D3D3DArial =3D
>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
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> MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; =3D
>MARGIN-RIGHT:=3D20
> 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot =3D
>_=3D20
> net> wrote in message <A =3D3D<BR>><BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
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>href=3D3D'news:4696229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV'>news=
:46=3D
>96229c$1@linux">news:4696229c$1@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>=3D
>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Have you tested each =3D
>MEC=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>individually? I'd start=3D3D20<BR>> there. Did you=3D20
> iuninstall/reinstall Paris yet?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D
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> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3D3Dltr=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=3D20
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>href=3D3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arp=
egi=3D
>o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A</A>>>=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>wrote in=3D3D20<BR>> message <A=3D20
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> =3D
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>href=3D3D'news:4695d5bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV'>news:469=
5d5=3D
>bf@linux">news:4695d5bf@linux</A>...</DIV</A>><BR>>&nbs=3D
>p; =3D20
> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Sorry to shout but =3D
>this is=3D20
> driving<BR>=3D3D<BR>>me=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> insane.</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D
><DIV><FONT=3D20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I am working with a =3D
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>get a second Mec to =3D
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> It</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>else. It doesn't =3D
>matter if=3D20
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> externally</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D20
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><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>and no changes. I've even =3D
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> a=3D3D20<BR>> reinstall of=3D20
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>can think=3D20
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>to<BR>=3D3D<BR>>four.=3D20
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> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>card 5? Or, triple check the=3D20
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> size=3D3D3D2>All EDS cards are up and running =3D3D<BR>>and =
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>IRQs with=3D20
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> there?</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D
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> size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>> =3D20
> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose =3D
>Polesoft Lockspam=3D20
> to fight =3D3D<BR>>spam, and=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> you?<BR><A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
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>href=3D3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
fer=3D
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>'>Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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a punch, spaced out the depth, ambiance
>>> and stereo field and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris EDS efx's are
>>> more distinguishable now.
>>>
>>> Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16) trim
>>> off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis RA-100 (yah,
>>> I know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a decent flat ref
>>> amp when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's and a sub under my
>>> desk for fill and to curl my toes.
>>>
>>> I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound. A
>>> very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>>> warmth between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded, cramped,
>>> busy and flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only removed about
>>> half the problem. This is compared to the MEC digita s/pdif out to the
>>> DAC1 and it's XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s. This sound was warm
>>> and round, almost surround. It put a smile on my face.
>>>
>>> I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>> Neil. I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr amp.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Wayne
>>> Paris since '97
>
>The DAC-1 upsanples and reclocks the data stream so that whatever the Paris
clock has done during tracking or playback sounds considerably improved when
it hits the D/A converter. This doesn't provide better system clocking, but
IMO, the Paris D/A converters are it's weakest point and the A/D's improve
some when clocked from an external source. I really like the Lucid GenX-6.
No need for the more expensive 96k version either, with Paris.
Deej
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:46976c86@linux...
> So just to be sure I understand, the biggest improvement was just putting
> the better converters into the chain, with the Paris clock?
>
> Wayne Carson wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> I did that, . . . sort of. The DAC has no clock in's or outs. I did run
>> Paris on internal clock and took the digital s/pdif out of the MEC to the
>> DAC and to the monitors and this is where I heard the biggest
>> improvement.
>>
>> Then I listened to my monitors without the DAC (my previous setup) and
>> clocked it with the Big Ben. It sounded more stable if you can
>> understand what I mean and did clean up the sound also, but not as
>> dramatic or noticable as with the DAC test.
>>
>> Everything I listened to was recorded on Paris internal so my initial
>> recordings used Paris's A/D and internal clock. I think I can hear a
>> little flutter in my recordings which I didn't hear before. I believe DJ
>> is right. Once I record with the Big Ben I'll probably truely hear the
>> clarity and separation.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:46959638@linux...
>>> Wayne, I'm curious how much difference you would hear if you clocked
>>> Paris to the DAC1 alone? Have you listened to that?
>>>
>>> Wayne Carson wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> It's been a week since I hooked up the benchmark and clock to my simple
>>>> 1-MEC w/two 8-in, 2-EDS, 1-C16 system. I used 3' apogee cables on both
>>>> and one 75 ohm term on the MEC s/pdif out. I did not use a bnc "T".
>>>>
>>>> It made a wonderful difference. I set the BB clock to internal at 44.1k
>>>> and used the bnc out to the MEC. I set Paris to word clock. That's
>>>> it. It locks at 44.1. I think I can even hear jitter on previously
>>>> recorded stuff, specifically on vocals when solo'ed, but then again it
>>>> could be the coffee!
>>>>
>>>> I've run 8 completely different song mixes that I am working on and it
>>>> is so much easier to find and correct things and so far appears to
>>>> translate very similar to my simple home stereo system, bedroom Bose/CD
>>>> wave radio and '04 Honda Accord car sound system. And that's what it's
>>>> all about for me. This should make for a whole lot less trial and
>>>> error mixing. My '06 Tundra truck sound system is not even close, but
>>>> that's another issue.
>>>>
>>>> In my studio, I individually A/B'd the clock and the DAC against the
>>>> Paris L/R monitor out and internal clock. In each case the clock
>>>> and/or the DAC cleaned up the low/mid mushiness, allowed the kick to be
>>>> heard with the bass and not a boom but a punch, spaced out the depth,
>>>> ambiance and stereo field and overall gave clarity to the mix. Paris
>>>> EDS efx's are more distinguishable now.
>>>>
>>>> Previously I used the Paris L/R monitor out to my 1604vlz (ch 15-16)
>>>> trim off, eq flat, level at unity and the main's out to my Alesis
>>>> RA-100 (yah, I know it's not so good, but I thought I was getting a
>>>> decent flat ref amp when I bought it back in '96.) to yama's NS-10's
>>>> and a sub under my desk for fill and to curl my toes.
>>>>
>>>> I was very suprised to find out how bad the Mackie colored the sound.
>>>> A very noticable harshness around 1-2khz and possibly higher, lack of
>>>> warmth between 100-300hz and just an overall sound like crowded,
>>>> cramped, busy and flat tonality. Tweaking the 3 eq's helps but only
>>>> removed about half the problem. This is compared to the MEC digita
>>>> s/pdif out to the DAC1 and it's XLR outs to the RA-100 to the NS-10s.
>>>> This sound was warm and round, almost surround. It put a smile on my
>>>> face.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a happy camper. Special thanks to Dave, Kim, DJ, Miguel, Jeff and
>>>> Neil. I guess my next purchase will be an appropriate reference pwr
>>>> amp.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Wayne
>>>> Paris since '97
>>Terry, I have 3 pci slots left, that only thing I haven't tried . I'll give
it go thanks
"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>>David in your pci slots next to mec A skip mec b and go to your next slot
>in most cases would be slot c thats why I asked how many pci slots did
you
>had available
>>"david" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>I'am using 4 cards two mecs. How many are you using? How many pci slots
>>do you have available
>>
>>>Terry, not sure I understand. Are you using 3 eds1000 cards?
>>>
>>>"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Try skipping mec b and connect mec c in your global master sometimes
>on
>>>>my system mec b does not work, then check your patchbay to see if mec
>c
>>>shows
>>>>up. Hope that helps
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>I am trying to help a friend get his paris system working. The problem
>>>that
>>>>>I am having is that 2nd mec is not showing (mec master b and mec-module
>>>>b)
>>>>>in the patchbay. I have tried moving the input card to couple different
>>>>slots
>>>>>but this did not help. It's kind of hit and miss sometimes it shows
and
>>>>most
>>>>>of the time it does not.Have switched mec,s to no avail as well,changed
>>>>eds
>>>>>cable and changed eds1000 and have reinstalled software more times than
>>>>I
>>>>>want to think about. Any input would be appreciated much
>>>>>David using xp and paris 3.0
>>>>
>>>
>>
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Fri, 15 June 2007 21:35 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Tom,
You may have fried the MEC but not necessarily the modules. Defective =
SCSI cables will absolutely cause a Paris system to *not work* =
Straightening them may not work either as they may be damaged inside the =
connector (though when this happens, they usually just fall off). I do =
think you have now forund your problem though. I would buy at least one =
new cable and test each cand and MEC with it to see what's working and =
what's not. One other factor is the little ribbon cables that =
interconnect the EDS cards. If these are damaged, not seated or their =
order has been changed in your reconfiguration, this can cause all sorts =
of insanity.
Deej
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4697185d@linux...
Well here's what is happening.
I looked very closely at the pins on the scsi cables and noticed
a slightly bent one or two on almost half of them (5). I think it's
from being careless about pushing them in. I straightened them
perfectly and yet still no luck with booting Paris. "No interface =
attached
to the Master Card" is the message. I'm only using one mec to test.
I also tried the 442. Once in a while the Magma wouldn't turn on with =
the
442 attached. I think that is because of the bent pins. That's good =
of
the Magma. I've tried all five cards, removed the A card and swapped =
it=20
with another still no luck.=20
I'm lost in this quagmire now. I'm not even pissed about the busted =
mec
at this point. I want an answer to what is going on. The default =
project=20
is looking for external word clock so that's my only choice although I
have tried it with no Lucid attached with the same results.
I think I'll call Edmund.
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote in message =
news:469708c8$1@linux...
That kinda totally sucks. Sorry.
rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Rod,
>Ya I've been swapping things out to no end just to be sure.
>I even had trouble getting it going with internal clock which ruled
>out the Lucid in my mind.
>
>The latest news is I couldn't get it to boot at all with other Mecs
>being the master. In the process I smoked the original Mec A
>because the SCSI cable was half in at start up. I heard a crack
>and then the smell of burning chips. It still powers up but it's =
out
>of the picture now. Loaded with modules too.
>
>Now nothing gets it going except maybe the lowly 442. I'll try
>that next. I have a local engineer coming over to see what=3D20
>Paris can do. He's very well respected in these parts.
>To bad I'm down for the count it seems.
>Ass
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =3D
>news:4696c93b$1@linux...
>
> Tom, have you done anything to rule out the possibility that it =
may be
=3D
>a funky
> MEC word clock connection, or perhaps the Lucid clock is flakey. =
Or =3D
>even
> a bad mogami wordclock cable (I know that's a longshot, but =
anything's
=3D
>possible)
> Just a thought.
> Rod
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Deej,
> >Ya, I've uninstalled, reinstalled Paris about five times total =
in the
=3D
>=3D3D
> >last day and a half.
> >I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the =
antipace =3D
>=3D3D
> >thing.
> >I'm getting pretty good at it. I have Mec 1 loaded with cards =
=3D
>attached
> =3D3D
> >to what has always
> >been Card A for three years. Can that change? Paris works fine =
with =3D
>just
> =3D3D
> >that one. I'll try=3D3D20
> >all the others in that position just to see though.
> >
> >I am close to starting from scratch and possibly doing the =
antipace =3D
>=3D3D
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