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| Re: Soundstaging, predelay, e4arly reflections, etc. [message #56978 is a reply to message #56929] |
Tue, 16 August 2005 22:55   |
RZ
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2005
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s out of Paris to external effects and compression
via
> analog ins and outs, we get latency-related artifacts, phasing and
flamming
> and such.
>
> If I clock externally with a Lucid or Apogee box, and then was able to
send
> and return via digital ins and outs, would the latency be negilgible?
>
> As it is, we have to nudge tracks just to hear what it sounds like, which
I
> hate. I hate the interruption of the work-flow.
>
> Jimmy
>
>Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about what computer to use with
Paris. (One of you said you use a Mac G4 450 machine, another a dual 1GHz
G4, and another a 1GHz G4 Quicksilver. Another pointed out that the computer
I get will need to have a 5V compatible PCI slot.)
As far as I can tell, the last Mac model to boot up in OS 9 with the right
PCI slots for the Paris card was the G4 Dual 2 “Mirror Door” that did not
have the FireWire 800. I believe it came in three flavors: 1GHz, 1.25GHz,
and 1.5GHz. (I‘m told that the following model from Mac, the G4 Dual 2 “Mirror
Door” with FireWire 800, booted up only on OSX.)
One more question before I try to buy a used G4: Has anyone been able to
reliably and efficiently run Paris in the “Classic Mode” provided via OSX
in early G5s?
Any other comments or suggestions that come to mind are more than welcome.
Thanks and best wishes,
Richard FaylorMartin, thanks for the info... so lemme ask you this:
Are you using the EMU card for Nuendo too? or do you have a
separate card/interface in the same computer for Nuendo?
Neil
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Yes Neil.
>To my ear the effects sound good, and there certainly is a fair selection
of
>them, and they can be used in Nuendo as plugin fx, reducing load on the
CPU.
>I dont summ to the card because my mixes are mixed internally to wav files
>and married to picture.
>The EMU card, (I only have the 0404 which has all the same features but
only
>2 ins/outs) is/was ( I now have a Delta 1010 which I don't think sounds
as
>good, and it's unbalanced), my main Audio card.
>I've actually got to return the Delta card because one of the output
>channels is history, (no tops at all...like a sub), and also clocking noise
>when the mouse is used and just general noise.
>Doesn't seem to be recorded though, a bonus I guess.
>I sold my Paris about a Month ago so these cards are all I have now.
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lenda
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| Re: Soundstaging, predelay, e4arly reflections, etc. [message #56980 is a reply to message #56978] |
Tue, 16 August 2005 23:18 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
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ringing stuff out of
>> Nuendo to sum in the 1820 (and if so, does it act/sound like
>> Paris in that regard)? And finally, are you using it on the same
>> computer as Nuendo?
>>
>> Neil
>
>Yes, Ted, sounds right. The top quality of the components going into the makeup
of the Paris A/D converters, for instance. There are lots of '24 bit' pieces
out there w. cheap components, so the numbers don't guarantee the quality...
Thanks,
Kim
"J.S." <jstolpe@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hey there,
>the only other thing that I would want to add is a remark that I B.
>Tankersley made at some point. He said something to extent of him playing
>around with some Native Beta Version of Paris that Edmund had started
>developing, and that he had concluded that the ensoniq
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| Re: Soundstaging, predelay, e4arly reflections, etc. [message #56988 is a reply to message #56967] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 06:10 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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of you Paris Vets out
>>>> there. I love the SOUND, and really dig the C16, but already
>>>> encountering a few little snags that make me consider my buddys'
>>>> suggestion. This said, he WAS impressed by the sound of my
>>>> setup!
>>>> I question whether a rookie like myself should tackle Paris,
>>>> unsupported,
>>>> except perhaps by this wonderful family that you guys are, which is
>>>> significant,
>>>> especially w. archives
>>>> available. I do have the B.T. DVD.
>>>>
>>>> Prayer-thoughts for the Gulf Coast as Rita approaches.
>>>> Kim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>On 23 Sep 2005 11:44:28 +1000, "Richard Faylor"
<RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks to everyone who responded to my query about what computer to use with
>Paris. (One of you said you use a Mac G4 450 machine, another a dual 1GHz
>G4, and another a 1GHz G4 Quicksilver. Another pointed out that the computer
>I get will need to have a 5V compatible PCI slot.)
>
Actually, I'm a multi-Mac guy, with the G4-400 Sawtooth with Paris, a
G4-450 for my Oasys card, and a Duallie 1GHz Quicksilver for daily
use/iTunes server/file server.
>One more question before I try to buy a used G4: Has anyone been able to
>reliably and efficiently run Paris in the “Classic Mode” provided via OSX
>in early G5s?
>
Will not work. Needs native OS9 for driver and hardware access. It
will not load under Classic.
pabHi Neil
I was, (and will be untill I get my M-Audio Delta 1010 back), using the Emu
card with Nuendo.
I was / is the primary card in the computer.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4333690e$1@linux...
>
> Martin, thanks for the info... so lemme ask you this:
> Are you using the EMU card for Nuendo too? or do you have a
> separate card/interface in the same computer for Nuendo?
>
> Neil
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Yes Neil.
>>To my ear the effects sound good, and there certainly is a fair selection
> of
>>them, and they can be used in Nuendo as plugin fx, reducing load on the
> CPU.
>>I dont summ to the card because my mixes are mixed internally to wav files
>
>>and married to picture.
>>The EMU card, (I only have the 0404 which has all the same features but
> only
>>2 ins/outs) is/was ( I now have a Delta 1010 which I don't think sounds
> as
>>good, and it's unbalanced), my main Audio card.
>>I've actually got to return the Delta card because one of the output
>>channels is history, (no tops at all...like a sub), and also clocking
>>noise
>
>>when the mouse is used and just general noise.
>>Doesn't seem to be recorded though, a bonus I guess.
>>I sold my Paris about a Month ago so these cards are all I have now.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4332bc81$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>That EMU is certainly a great sounding card, and matched with Nuendo
>>>>will
>>>
>>>>make a formidable system.
>>>>The Emu has onboard fx processing also, like the Paris EDS card.
>>>
>>> Martin...
>>>
>>> Do the EFX sound good? Is part of the benefit you find that it
>>> reduces CPU load as opposed to using Native plugin's in Nuendo?
>>> Also, what about the summing... are you bringing stuff out of
>>> Nuendo to sum in the 1820 (and if so, does it act/sound like
>>> Paris in that regard)? And finally, are you using it on the same
>>> computer as Nuendo?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>>
>2 MECS, 3 EDS cards, P4 2GHz, XP pro.
The eds compressor as an insert in a mono channel doesn't really work and
also all the presets are gone.
At the same time everything works as a master insert (even if the preset are
still missing).
A BIG THANX to all that help this great sounded system to still work.
AlexHi,
What I would do is reinstall the subsystem effects in you Paris directory.
You know the minimum setup exe
Be sure that this will install in your Emu folder.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"alex" <alex@dnamusic.gr> wrote in message news:4333de06@linux...
> 2 MECS, 3 EDS cards, P4 2GHz, XP pro.
> The eds compressor as an insert in a mono channel doesn't really work and
> also all the presets are gone.
> At the same time everything works as a master insert (even if the preset
are
> still missing).
>
> A BIG THANX to all that help this great sounded system to still work.
> Alex
>
>Anyone knows which chips on EDS cards are getting hot ?
In other words which most commonly do melt in a fault card ?
Regards,
Dimitrios"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Hi Neil
>I was, (and will be untill I get my M-Audio Delta 1010 back), using the
Emu
>card with Nuendo.
>I was / is the primary card in the computer.
So if I got one of these cards, primarily for the EFX, just to
have some more variety & lighten the CPU load when I'm running
more EFX, would I also be able to use it at the same time in the
same PC as my Multiface/card combo? For example, if I had my
multiface full up reacording with all 8 inputs, could I use the
inputs on the Emu card at the same time if I needed a couple
more in's? I've never run two cards before, so I don't know if
this would work.
For that matter, if I was using the Multiface as my main
interface/card, regardless of whether or not I wanted to use
the Emu card for more inputs as mentioned above, could I still
access the EFX on the Emu card & use them as plugins?
NeilThanks D, I figured tghere was no work around to the fact that the drum tracks
would need to be copied. This is sort of the same deal we tralked about 2
weeks ago regarding using the EDS comp in the aux.
I'll have to check out that compressor you mention. or get another EDS card.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>You nudge backwards ....:)
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4332bac2@linux...
>> Hi,
>> That was touph.
>> You copy your drumtracks to the same EDS card.,
>> say you have your kick ,snare and stereo OH's.
>> So you copy these on empty tracks.
>> then you put the senderella on each of the first set of drumtracks and
>> redirect inside senderella so that the sending audiotrack does not output
>> any audio.
>> you nudge these tracks by 4096 samples forward using any method known
if
>you
>> use Soinaudio wrapper for UAD1, if you use FXpansion you nudge for 16384
>> samples.
>> Then on your reciving audio tracks (you put empty audio file (24bit track)
>> just after the senderella audio tracks.
>> I mean if kick is 1 snare 2 OH's 3 & 4 then put the receiving senderella
>> track on channel 5 and just put the copies of 1,2,3&4 on 13,14,15,16
>> The remaining drumtracks could stay on 7,8,9,10,11,12 if you have that
>many.
>> So now the senderella return on 5 takes the LA2 UAD1 compressor and time
>> alligns with audio drumtracks 13,14,15&16 and as well with 7,8,9,10,11,12.
>>
>> I have also a UAD1 but I would prefer using the Sonalksis which is 0
>latency
>> so I don't have to copy and move, anyway here is a working solution
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4332b448$1@linux...
>> >
>> >
>> > D, can you explain a few things?
>> > How do you compensate for lateny on say a stereo UAD la2a on track 15
>and
>> > 16 set up to recieve drums and bass guitar for smashing and blendin
with
>> > the orignal tracks that also may be using UAD plugs or not?
>> >
>> > Also I'd like to use the UAD plate and send more than one thing to it.
>How
>> > do I compensate here?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> > >Note that under Me the senderella thing has some problems with timing
!
>> > >Under XP though it is very solid the timing thing.
>> > >So senderella is only usable (in my system ) only under XP with 0
>latency
>> > >and perfect timing in summing audio tracks, you need though to put
8,16
>> > or
>> > >8,8 in Paris cfg for EDSTransfer.
>> > >I use 8,16
>> > >Regards,
>> > >Dimitrios
>> > >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>news:43326fe6@linux...
>> > >> Hi to everyone...
>> > >> I was trying the Senderella thing under Me.
>> > &g
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| Re: Soundstaging, predelay, e4arly reflections, etc. [message #56998 is a reply to message #56929] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 09:18 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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if you use FXpansion you nudge for
16384
> >> samples.
> >> Then on your reciving audio tracks (you put empty audio file (24bit
track)
> >> just after the senderella audio tracks.
> >> I mean if kick is 1 snare 2 OH's 3 & 4 then put the receiving
senderella
> >> track on channel 5 and just put the copies of 1,2,3&4 on 13,14,15,16
> >> The remaining drumtracks could stay on 7,8,9,10,11,12 if you have that
> >many.
> >> So now the senderella return on 5 takes the LA2 UAD1 compressor and
time
> >> alligns with audio drumtracks 13,14,15&16 and as well with
7,8,9,10,11,12.
> >>
> >> I have also a UAD1 but I would prefer using the Sonalksis which is 0
> >latency
> >> so I don't have to copy and move, anyway here is a working solution
> >> Regards,
> >> Dimitrios
> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:4332b448$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > D, can you explain a few things?
> >> > How do you compensate for lateny on say a stereo UAD la2a on track 15
> >and
> >> > 16 set up to recieve drums and bass guitar for smashing and blendin
> with
> >> > the orignal tracks that also may be using UAD plugs or not?
> >> >
> >> > Also I'd like to use the UAD plate and send more than one thing to
it.
> >How
> >> > do I compensate here?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> > >Note that under Me the senderella thing has some problems with
timing
> !
> >> > >Under XP though it is very solid the timing thing.
> >> > >So senderella is only usable (in my system ) only under XP with 0
> >latency
> >> > >and perfect timing in summing audio tracks, you need though to put
> 8,16
> >> > or
> >> > >8,8 in Paris cfg for EDSTransfer.
> >> > >I use 8,16
> >> > >Regards,
> >> > >Dim
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| Re: Soundstaging, predelay, e4arly reflections, etc. [message #57018 is a reply to message #56929] |
Wed, 17 August 2005 21:30 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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ermama.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >http://doncicchetti.blogspot.com/
> >
> >Take a look if you have a minute. suggestions welcome
> >
> >DC
>No. He would have taken it out back and blown it up.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:433804fc@linux...
> No kiddin. He should have bought a Mac and a version of
> DP.......wait......then he might have wanted to kill himself.
>
> ;o)
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:diffj1pqf0pprl8s946f66s2jia7aasspp@4ax.com...
> > thompson got bored, i'm not...still things to learn.
> >
> > hopefully then, humanity is not the best example of intellilgent
> > design...now the laws of physics (designed or not) that has allowed
> > all this to continue uninterrupted for billions of years, that's
> > something.
> >
> > sorry but, the yankees can wait a few more years to "win it all"
> > again.
> >
> > twin towers, build something useable; build a memorial elsewhere.
> >
> > On 26 Sep 2005 09:30:50 +1000, "DC" <dc@spamyermama.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >http://doncicchetti.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >Take a look if you have a minute. suggestions welcome
> > >
> > >DC
> >
>
>Yep, and then called Steve Jobs up and cackled about it, after
which he would have written a story for RS about the whole thing...
Fear and Loathing in Cupertino...
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>No. He would have taken it out back and blown it up.
>
>Jimmy
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:433804fc@linux...
>> No kiddin. He should have bought a Mac and a version of
>> DP.......wait......then he might have wanted to kill himself.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:diffj1pqf0pprl8s946f66s2jia7aasspp@4ax.com...
>> > thompson got bored, i'm not...still things to learn.
>> >
>> > hopefully then, humanity is not the best example of intellilgent
>> > design...now the laws of physics (designed or not) that has allowed
>> > all this to continue uninterrupted for billions of years, that's
>> > something.
>> >
>> > sorry but, the yankees can wait a few more years to "win it all"
>> > again.
>> >
>> > twin towers, build something useable; build a memorial elsew
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| Re: Soundstaging, predelay, e4arly reflections, etc. [message #57022 is a reply to message #57018] |
Thu, 18 August 2005 00:14 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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>great options.
>
>I wouldn't trash Emu just because Paris couldn't survive. Emu didn't really
>have the money or resources to run with Paris anyway - I am guessing
>Creative just said "okay, give it a try, but if it doesn't make money
>instead of costing money, it's done."
>
>I have an Emu Audity 2000 - great rack synth. I have no intention of
>selling it. Emu may not be running wild with cutting edge soft-synth and
>hardware synth technology, but they do what they do, and it is a niche for
>them.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 9/24/05 3:46 PM, in article 4335c918$1@linux, "Kim Glanville"
><kgdrumz@telusplanet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I hear you! And you're giving food for thought. From my little
>> perspective, though, I also wax a bit philosophic about it:
>> Paris lost the war w. Pro-tools, kinda like Sony's Betamax VCR lost the
war
>> to VHS. The 'better' formats lost--and investment stopped...but you're
right,
>> those who spent the $$$ should not
>> have been abandoned by Emu. Maybe Creative just wanted Paris
>> so they could steal some of the great A/D converter stuff for
>> Audigy!
>>
>> I'm also considering the portable convenience of a Tascam 2488,
>> tho' pretty sure it won't sound as good Paris.
>> Thanks,
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> "nobody" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are my big questions. Are you sure you want to buy another product
>>> from EMU?????? A company that has a history of canceling products with
>> out
>>> notice, with out an upgrade path, and just drop support cold????? Lie
to
>>> their customers!!!!!!!!!! Lie to there dealers!!!!!!!!!!! All to make
>> a
>>> buck!!!!!!!!!! Are you sure you want to invest in to another piece of
PCI
>>> hardware, when there are other choices out there? This system is limited
>>> in its expandability! Are you sure it sounds that good?
>>>
>>> Are you sure you want to reward a company that has screwed us all over,
>> by
>>> making them richer, by buying another product from them???????????????????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These guy should have been sued!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> Fuck EMU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> You already own PARIS!
>>>
>>> Stick with PARIS!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kim Glanville" <kgdrumz@telusplanet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Guys, I've been out of the loop for a couple of years, taking
>>>> care of my parents in their home. Just getting into my Paris 2
>>>> set-up now.
>>>> A recording engineer friend, who knows a ton more than I, is
>>>> recommending that I switch to an Emu 1820M, claiming that it
>>>> will sound as good as Paris, and has a much more integrated
>>>> architecture than my V2.11. He is also a computer freak who
>>>> is aware that I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort out some of
>>>> the workarounds that might be necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Would appreciate thoughts from any of you Paris Vets out
>>>> there. I love the SOUND, and really dig the C16, but already
>>>> encountering a few little snags that make me consider my buddys'
>>>> suggestion. This said, he WAS impressed by the sound of my
>>>> setup!
>>>> I question whether a rookie like myself should tackle Paris, unsupported,
>>>> except perhaps by this wonderful family that you guys are, which is
>>>> significant,
>>>> especially w. archives
>>>> available. I do have the B.T. DVD.
>>>>
>>>> Prayer-thoughts for the Gulf Coast as Rita approaches.
>>>> Kim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>All are free too !
D_Limiter
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