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| Re: Bizzare_assertion_fail_problem_any_insight? [message #60807 is a reply to message #60799] |
Thu, 01 December 2005 11:17   |
erlilo
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lean install
> > > that
> > > you Ghosted........you did remember to Ghost,,,,,,didn't you? ;o)
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> > > Secondly,. if you're using removable caddies and you remove the system
> > > drive, you will get a system drive error (as invalid system
> drive/coronary
> > > arrest) when you reinsert it into the caddy unless you remove the other
> > > drives from their caddies first, insert the system drive solo, then
> reboot
> > > on the single system drive, then shut down, reinsert all of the other
> > > drives
> > > and then reboot.
> > >
> > > Also, with as many PCI cards as I've got, (3 x RME's and 4 x UAD-1's in
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| Re: Bizzare_assertion_fail_problem_any_insight? [message #60862 is a reply to message #60856] |
Fri, 02 December 2005 09:56 |
Dimitrios
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---=_linux43aae4f1--I'm with Neil. Spitfish from Digitalfishphones works pretty darn well and
the price is definitely right. I still get the best results manually editing
using automation, but it's a PITA and very time consuming. If it's a really
important project though . . .
Tony
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:43aad9c7$1@linux...
>
> "David Posey" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I had done a search looking for a desesser plugin but have come up with
> nothing.
>>Any help would appreciated.
>>David P
>
> Try Spitfish from Digitalfishphones.com... it's great and it's a
> freebie. If you want to spend a little $, then you might want to consider
> Voxengo's Voxformer:
>
> http://www.voxengo.com/product/voxformer/
>
> The de-esser on that one is most excellent, IMO, and plus the
> plugin serves a few other functions, as well. They do have a
> demo you can try, too.
>
> NeilHey Mic,
Question: I understand the onboard DSP fx don't work in hi-res recording
modes, but can you still patch to an outboard fx unit with the auxes, so a
singer, for example, could have some verb in the cans?
Bill
"Mic Cross" <crzymnmchl@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:43a99d44$1@linux...
>
> Hi Chris, bought a 1820M a while ago - it lasted about 5
> minutes which is when I ran their s/w - didn't think anything
> could be worse than the 9652 s/w :-) Gonna plug it back in after
> all the good things you say. Is it just the mic pres that make
> it good? What about output? I have got used to the Central
> Station. Is the 1820M cleaner etc? Does it make sense to take
> sp/dif out of the 1820M and into the Central Station? Where can
> I get EmulatorX s/w for $100? TIA,
>
> Mic.Thanks Rod !
Thanks much for taking the time sketching for me.
Happy new year.
REgards,
Dimitrios
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>D
>Here's a diagram. See the 16 pins are the same, no matter which way you
think
>about it. The 10 pin WC cables are a little different.
>No spaghetti though.
>Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about it.
>Rod
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks,
>>What I need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?
>>The ones that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes (A to
>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in PCI slots ??? first
>(to
>>the AGP card) is A, second is B,etc.
>>The other way around (as Paris sees which are A,B<C,D) would make a spaghetti
>>interconnection.
>>That is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second as
>card
>>C, third as card D and fourth as card A...
>>Thanks
>>Dimitrios
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>As far as the 16 pin cables go, hooking the output of A to the input of
>>B,
>>>and so on, completing the loop by hooking the output of D to the input
>of
>>>A, it will be the exact same hookup.
>>>Draw a diagram and you will see.
>>>As far as the 10 pin cables are concerned, it would be different. (I forgot
>>>about those). All I can say is try it the other way and see if it works.
>>>Rod
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Dear Rod,
>>>>Thanks for replying.
>>>>Paris sees the card as follows assuming we see the cards inside PC naming
>>>>1 the one that is close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.
>>>>1 card in pc = card B in Paris
>>>>2 card in pc = card C in Paris
>>>>3 card in pc = card D in Paris
>>>>4 card in pc = card A in Paris
>>>>
>>>>Can you somehow describe how you would interconnect them ?
>>>>If I have connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work ?
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hook the up as Paris sees them. If I'm understanding you correctly,
however,
>>>>>it will be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order below
>>>B,
>>>>>with A on the Bottom.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>Merry Christmas to all of you although a little bit early...
>>>>>>Regarding the intrconnection of 4 cards .
>>>>>>I connected from like in the manual from first card (slot1) to the
last
>>>>>one
>>>>>>(slot 5)
>>>>>>I detect though that card 1 (slot1) is identified as card B, card 4
>(slot
>>>>>>5) is identified as card A (main card)
>>>>>>So due to someone's last post here should I connect as Paris sees the
>>>cards
>>>>>>or as I see them inside my computer?
>>>>>>Paris works ok but maybe I am risking or could have more stable setup
>>>(nothing
>>>>>>major though)
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Yeah -- the Dave Brown is really really good... chas
On 23 Dec 2005 01:57:28 +1000, "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com>
wrote:
>
>
>I think there is a good one here
>http://www.db-audioware.com/
>
>"David Posey" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I had done a search looking for a desesser plugin but have come up with
>nothing.
>>Any help would appreciated.
>>David PHere's some pictures Aaron sent to the group some years ago, about how to do
it.
Erling
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i melding
news:43aae4f1$1@linux...
>
> D
> Here's a diagram. See the 16 pins are the same, no matter which way you
> think
> about it. The 10 pin WC cables are a little different.
> No spaghetti though.
> Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about it.
> Rod
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks,
>>What I need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?
>>The ones that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes (A to
>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in PCI slots ??? first
> (to
>>the AGP card) is A, second is B,etc.
>>The other way around (as Paris sees which are A,B<C,D) would make a
>>spaghetti
>>interconnection.
>>That is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second as
> card
>>C, third as card D and fourth as card A...
>>Thanks
>>Dimitrios
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>As far as the 16 pin cables go, hooking the output of A to the input of
>>B,
>>>and so on, completing the loop by hooking the output of D to the input
> of
>>>A, it will be the exact same hookup.
>>>Draw a diagram and you will see.
>>>As far as the 10 pin cables are concerned, it would be different. (I
>>>forgot
>>>about those). All I can say is try it the other way and see if it works.
>>>Rod
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Dear Rod,
>>>>Thanks for replying.
>>>>Paris sees the card as follows assuming we see the cards inside PC
>>>>naming
>>>>1 the one that is close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.
>>>>1 card in pc = card B in Paris
>>>>2 card in pc = card C in Paris
>>>>3 card in pc = card D in Paris
>>>>4 card in pc = card A in Paris
>>>>
>>>>Can you somehow describe how you would interconnect them ?
>>>>If I have connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work ?
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hook the up as Paris sees them. If I'm understanding you correctly,
>>>>>however,
>>>>>it will be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order below
>>>B,
>>>>>with A on the Bottom.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>Merry Christmas to all of you although a little bit early...
>>>>>>Regarding the intrconnection of 4 cards .
>>>>>>I connected from like in the manual from first card (slot1) to the
>>>>>>last
>>>>>one
>>>>>>(slot 5)
>>>>>>I detect though that card 1 (slot1) is identified as card B, card 4
> (slot
>>>>>>5) is identified as card A (main card)
>>>>>>So due to someone's last post here should I connect as Paris sees the
>>>cards
>>>>>>or as I see them inside my computer?
>>>>>>Paris works ok but maybe I am risking or could have more stable setup
>>>(nothing
>>>>>>major though)
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Thanks Erling,
My real question though is not how to connect ABC and D but which cards are
ABCD the way Paris sees them or the cards in a row...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>Here's some pictures Aaron sent to the group some years ago, about how to
do
>it.
>
>Erling
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i melding
>news:43aae4f1$1@linux...
>>
>> D
>> Here's a diagram. See the 16 pins are the same, no matter which way you
>> think
>> about it. The 10 pin WC cables are a little different.
>> No spaghetti though.
>> Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about it.
>> Rod
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>What I need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?
>>>The ones that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes (A
to
>>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in PCI slots ??? first
>> (to
>>>the AGP card) is A, second is B,etc.
>>>The other way around (as Paris sees which are A,B<C,D) would make a
>>>spaghetti
>>>interconnection.
>>>That is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second as
>> card
>>>C, third as card D and fourth as card A...
>>>Thanks
>>>Dimitrios
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>As far as the 16 pin cables go, hooking the output of A to the input
of
>>>B,
>>>>and so on, completing the loop by hooking the output of D to the input
>> of
>>>>A, it will be the exact same hookup.
>>>>Draw a diagram and you will see.
>>>>As far as the 10 pin cables are conc
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erned, it would be different. (I
>>>>forgot
>>>>about those). All I can say is try it the other way and see if it works.
>>>>Rod
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Rod,
>>>>>Thanks for replying.
>>>>>Paris sees the card as follows assuming we see the cards inside PC
>>>>>naming
>>>>>1 the one that is close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.
>>>>>1 card in pc = card B in Paris
>>>>>2 card in pc = card C in Paris
>>>>>3 card in pc = card D in Paris
>>>>>4 card in pc = card A in Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you somehow describe how you would interconnect them ?
>>>>>If I have connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hook the up as Paris sees them. If I'm understanding you correctly,
>>>>>>however,
>>>>>>it will be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order below
>>>>B,
>>>>>>with A on the Bottom.
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>Merry Christmas to all of you although a little bit early...
>>>>>>>Regarding the intrconnection of 4 cards .
>>>>>>>I connected from like in the manual from first card (slot1) to the
>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>one
>>>>>>>(slot 5)
>>>>>>>I detect though that card 1 (slot1) is identified as card B, card
4
>> (slot
>>>>>>>5) is identified as card A (main card)
>>>>>>>So due to someone's last post here should I connect as Paris sees
the
>>>>cards
>>>>>>>or as I see them inside my computer?
>>>>>>>Paris works ok but maybe I am risking or could have more stable setup
>>>>(nothing
>>>>>>>major though)
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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will help, I don't know, but here it comes:
-The card assignments do not affect the cabling. The 10 pin is a =
straight across connection, and the 16 pin crisscrosses -always. The =
last card connects back to the first card, again crossing over the same =
as if the cards were next to each --other.
-There is no need to be concerned about how Paris "sees" the order of =
the cards. It does not affect the cables.
-Regards,
-Brian T
--------------------------------------------
1) Are the eds cards connected with the
criss-cross ribbon cables AND one
clock cable inside your computer?
Double check the pins. They sometimes are
out of line without noticing.
2) BNC connecting MEC A wordclock out
to Mec B wordclock in?
3) If 1 and 2 are right, make sure submix B in the
Group Master Section is set to Card B not virtual
or anything else.
The mix of submix card A and B should be audible at
mL & mR as well as ML & MR outs off Submix A
Master section in the patchbay.
Hope this helps,
Tom Bruhl
----------------------------
I seems to remember there was something about it in the manual, so I =
looked, so here you go: The card that's nearest the AGP card is allways =
card A, followed by B etc., as far as I can understand from the manual.
Hope this will help and a merry Christmas, Dimitros.
Erling
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =
news:43aaf8a8$1@linux...
>=20
> Thanks Erling,
> My real question though is not how to connect ABC and D but which =
cards are
> ABCD the way Paris sees them or the cards in a row...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>=20
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>>Here's some pictures Aaron sent to the group some years ago, about how =
to
> do=20
>>it.
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i melding=20
>>news:43aae4f1$1@linux...
>>>
>>> D
>>> Here's a diagram. See the 16 pins are the same, no matter which way =
you
>=20
>>> think
>>> about it. The 10 pin WC cables are a little different.
>>> No spaghetti though.
>>> Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about it.
>>> Rod
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>What I need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?
>>>>The ones that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes =
(A
> to
>>>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in PCI slots ??? =
first
>>> (to
>>>>the AGP card) is A, second is B,etc.
>>>>The other way around (as Paris sees which are A,B<C,D) would make a=20
>>>>spaghetti
>>>>interconnection.
>>>>That is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second =
as
>>> card
>>>>C, third as card D and fourth as card A...
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>As far as the 16 pin cables go, hooking the output of A to the =
input
> of
>>>>B,
>>>>>and so on, completing the loop by hooking the output of D to the =
input
>>> of
>>>>>A, it will be the exact same hookup.
>>>>>Draw a diagram and you will see.
>>>>>As far as the 10 pin cables are concerned, it would be different. =
(I
>=20
>>>>>forgot
>>>>>about those). All I can say is try it the other way and see if it =
works.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Rod,
>>>>>>Thanks for replying.
>>>>>>Paris sees the card as follows assuming we see the cards inside PC =
>>>>>>naming
>>>>>>1 the one that is close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.
>>>>>>1 card in pc =3D card B in Paris
>>>>>>2 card in pc =3D card C in Paris
>>>>>>3 card in pc =3D card D in Paris
>>>>>>4 card in pc =3D card A in Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can you somehow describe how you would interconnect them ?
>>>>>>If I have connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hook the up as Paris sees them. If I'm understanding you =
correctly,
>=20
>>>>>>>however,
>>>>>>>it will be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order =
below
>>>>>B,
>>>>>>>with A on the Bottom.
>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas to all of you although a little bit early...
>>>>>>>>Regarding the intrconnection of 4 cards .
>>>>>>>>I connected from like in the manual from first card (slot1) to =
the
>=20
>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>one
>>>>>>>>(slot 5)
>>>>>>>>I detect though that card 1 (slot1) is identified as card B, =
card
> 4
>>> (slot
>>>>>>>>5) is identified as card A (main card)
>>>>>>>>So due to someone's last post here should I connect as Paris =
sees
> the
>>>>>cards
>>>>>>>>or as I see them inside my computer?
>>>>>>>>Paris works ok but maybe I am risking or could have more stable =
setup
>>>>>(nothing
>>>>>>>>major though)
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>=20
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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the=20
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over the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>1) Are the=20
eds cards connected with the<BR>criss-cross ribbon cables AND =
one<BR>clock cable=20
inside your computer?<BR>Double check the pins. They sometimes =
are<BR>out=20
of line without noticing.<BR><BR>2) BNC connecting MEC A wordclock =
out<BR>to Mec=20
B wordclock in?<BR><BR>3) If 1 and 2 are right, make sure submix B in=20
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looked, so=20
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A,=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>Hope this will=20
help and a merry Christmas, Dimitros.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Dimitrios" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>musurgio@otenet.gr</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
skrev i melding=20
</FONT><A href=3D"news:43aaf8a8$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:43aaf8a8$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> =
Thanks=20
Erling,<BR>> My real question though is not how to connect ABC and D =
but=20
which cards are<BR>> ABCD the way Paris sees them or the cards in a=20
row...<BR>> Regards,<BR>> Dimitrios<BR>> <BR>> "erlilo"=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>erlilo@online.no</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>Here's some pictures Aaron sent to the group some =
years ago,=20
about how to<BR>> do=20
<BR>>>it.<BR>>><BR>>>Erling <BR>>><BR>>>"Rod=
=20
Lincoln" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>> skrev i=20
melding =
<BR>>>news:43aae4f1$1@linux...<BR>>>><BR>>>>=20
D<BR>>>> Here's a diagram. See the 16 pins are the same, no =
matter=20
which way you<BR>> <BR>>>> think<BR>>>> about it. =
The 10=20
pin WC cables are a little different.<BR>>>> No spaghetti=20
though.<BR>>>> Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about=20
it.<BR>>>> Rod<BR>>>> "Dimitrios" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>musurgio@otenet.gr</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks, <BR>>>>>=
What I=20
need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?<BR>>>>>The =
ones=20
that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes (A<BR>>=20
to<BR>>>>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in =
PCI=20
slots ??? first<BR>>>> (to<BR>>>>>the AGP =
card) is A,=20
second is B,etc.<BR>>>>>The other way around (as Paris sees =
which=20
are A,B<C,D) would make a=20
<BR>>>>>spaghetti<BR>>>>>interconnection. <BR>>=
>>>That=20
is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second=20
as<BR>>>> card<BR>>>>>C, third as card D and fourth =
as card=20
A...<BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>Dimitrios <BR>>>&g=
t;>"Rod=20
Lincoln" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>As far as the 16 =
pin=20
cables go, hooking the output of A to the input<BR>>=20
of<BR>>>>>B,<BR>>>>>>and so on, completing =
the loop=20
by hooking the output of D to the input<BR>>>>=20
of<BR>>>>>>A, it will be the exact same=20
hookup.<BR>>>>>>Draw a diagram and you will=20
see.<BR>>>>>>As far as the 10 pin cables are concerned, =
it would=20
be different. (I<BR>>=20
<BR>>>>>>forgot<BR>>>>>>about those). All =
I can=20
say is try it the other way and see if it=20
works.<BR>>>>>>Rod<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>=
>>"Dimitrios"=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>musurgio@otenet.gr</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>Dear=20
Rod,<BR>>>>>>>Thanks for=20
replying.<BR>>>>>>>Paris sees the card as follows =
assuming we=20
see the cards inside PC=20
<BR>>>>>>>naming<BR >>>>>>>1 the one =
that is=20
close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.<BR>>>>>>>1 =
card in=20
pc =3D card B in Paris<BR>>>>>>>2 card in pc =3D card =
C in=20
Paris<BR>>>>>>>3 card in pc =3D card D in=20
Paris<BR>>>>>>>4 card in pc =3D card A in=20
Paris<BR>>>>>>><BR >>>>>>>Can you =
somehow=20
describe how you would interconnect them ?<BR>>>>>>>If =
I have=20
connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work=20
?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Regards, <BR>>=
>>>>>Dimitrios<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>=
>>>"Rod=20
Lincoln" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><FONT =
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t will=20
be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order=20
below<BR>>>>>>B,<BR> >>>>>>>with A on =
the=20
Bottom.<BR>>>>>>>>Rod <BR>>>>>>>>=
;<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>=
>>>>>>"Dimitrios"=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr"><FONT face=3DArial=20
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wrote:<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt; <BR>>>>>>>>=
;>Hi,<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;Merry=20
Christmas to all of you although a little bit=20
early...<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;Regarding the intrconnection =
of 4=20
cards .<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;I connected from like in the =
manual=20
from first card (slot1) to the<BR>>=20
<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;last <BR>>>>>>>>o=
ne<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;(slot=20
5)<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;I detect though that card 1 =
(slot1) is=20
identified as card B, card<BR>> 4<BR>>>>=20
(slot<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;5) is identified as card A =
(main=20
card)<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;So due to someone's last post =
here=20
should I connect as Paris sees<BR>>=20
the<BR>>>>>>cards<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;or =
as I see=20
them inside my computer?<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;Paris works =
ok but=20
maybe I am risking or could have more stable=20
setup<BR>>>>>>(nothing<BR > >>>>>>>& ;gt;=
major=20
though)<BR> >>>>>>>& ;gt;Regards, <BR>>>>>&g=
t;>>>Dimitrios<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>&g=
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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C60736.FE805710--I'm an equal opportunity hater--XP and OS X are but minor variations on the
very same theme. The wonderful world of GNU\Linux, where I am in control
of my own computer, as another symphony entirely.
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>So Thad, are you saying you don't care for Apple, OSX and the mac in general
>? You're being so vague. ;>)
>
>I'll start my twelve step program right now, but I'm not guaranteeing
>anything!
>
>Hi, my name is Tony and I use a Mac.
>
>;>)
>
>Tony
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43aab7b1$1@linux...
>>
>> This is a bit cryptic to me, but if Debian/Gnome is bad sex and
>> man'n'cheese
>> then OS X is erectile dysfunction and cold noodle soup.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spambillgates.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Sheesh, yeah, you can get used to bad sex and mac n' cheese for
>>>dinner too...
>>>
>>>heh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Why on earth anyone would want a proprietary, bloated *nix on X86
>>>>processors
>>>>is completely and totally beyond me. You want audio? Install XP, it works
>>>>great. You want every last drop of *nix scrumptiousness on planet earth
>>>with
>>>>the same hardware? www.debian.org and you won't owe Cupertino one thin
>> dime.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Come on in! The water's fine! Once you get used to being out of Big
>>>>Brother's
>>>>reach you'll love it!
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>
>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most of
the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple of
GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
to argue against.
What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
have a lot to do with it as well.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>Hi James,
>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>
>>Morgan
>>
>
>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
a
>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the slower
>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have built
>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
Why
>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
hear
>about his findings.
>
>James
>
>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>
>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>
>>> http://osx86project.org/
>>Mac your KDE desktop look just like OS X!
http://linuxgangster.org/modules.php?name=Content&file=v iewarticle&id=15
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>So Thad, are you saying you don't care for Apple, OSX and the mac in general
>? You're being so vague. ;>)
>
>I'll start my twelve step program right now, but I'm not guaranteeing
>anything!
>
>Hi, my name is Tony and I use a Mac.
>
>;>)
>
>Tony
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43aab7b1$1@linux...
>>
>> This is a bit cryptic to me, but if Debian/Gnome is bad sex and
>> man'n'cheese
>> then OS X is erectile dysfunction and cold noodle soup.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spambillgates.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Sheesh, yeah, you can get used to bad sex and mac n' cheese for
>>>dinner too...
>>>
>>>heh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Why on earth anyone would want a proprietary, bloated *nix on X86
>>>>processors
>>>>is completely and totally beyond me. You want audio? Install XP, it works
>>>>great. You want every last drop of *nix scrumptiousness on planet earth
>>>with
>>>>the same hardware? www.debian.org and you won't owe Cupertino one thin
>> dime.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Come on in! The water's fine! Once you get used to being out of Big
>>>>Brother's
>>>>reach you'll love it!
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>
>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I have seen that you can get an patch for your A8V so you can use the
matrox-drivers in matrox forum, all you have do is go to the forum ask for
the patch and they will send it to your email-address.
hope it helps
Jorsi
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:43a45564@linux...
> Life seems to be good without the VIA drivers, t least on the AGP. Looks
> like the AGP is OK and the cards are OK. I was worried that I might be
> having a hardware problem but life is good without the VIA drivers.
> I didn't Ghost before I loaded these drivers (hey!!!!.......... these were
> the mobo drivers!!!!......what could go wrong ? ;o) so I had to reformat
> the
> new system drive and load Windows XP again. I've got both the Matrox video
> cards working nicely now and I'm Ghosting the system drive as we speak.
>
> I'm thinking of loading the Matrox universal driver, though I have found
> the
> default Matrox drivers that is in XP to be a bit less troublesome because
> it
> doesn't laod all of the extra Power Desk features, none of which I use.
>
> (Yawn........was up until 4AM jacking around with this thing.........need
> coffee..........).
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43a3e23c$1@linux...
>> Doug, this seems to again be a long story for you. Have you tested with
> the
>> new Matrox G450 certified drivers from sept.05. I had no luck with the
>> new
>> driver on my sForce Epox 9NDA3+ board but maybe VIA will eat it? The new
>> driver is for WinXP.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>> news:43a3bb3e$1@linux...
>> > Major suckage. The VIA AGP driver gets corrupted whenever I insert my
>> > Matrox
>> > G450 PCI card. It's a repeatable situation. Now.........do I really
>> > need
>> > this driver? That is the question.
>> >
>> > Hmmmm...........
>> >
>> >
>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > news:43a3b023@linux...
>> >> Yep!!!.......definitely an issue with teh VIA 4in1 driver. Damn!!! I
> hope
>> >> this isn't an incompatibility issue between the KT 800 and the Matrox
>> >> driver. I was sorta' thinking that this might be a friggin trainwreck.
>> >> The
>> >> G450 is a bit long in the tooth.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:43a3aac9$1@linux...
>> >> > Well..........no workee with the Magma aND IRQ assignments and
> getting
>> >> > squirrellier by the minute on current OS. I ghosted it and pulled
> the
>> >> > drive. Now I have got a brand new WD 80G 8MB cache formatted and I
>> >> installed
>> >> > Win XP. Immediate problems with my Matrox graphics cards right after
> I
>> >> > installed the VIA 4in1 drivers for the mobo. It's gonna be a
> hellacious
>> >> > weekend I'm afraid.
>> >> >
>> >> > ;o{
>> >> >
>> >> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:43a39439$1@linux...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> >> > > >You posted good vibes 'before` getting the Magma in and Paris
>> > running?
>> >> > > >Oh man, now you've done it..........
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hehe... [snigger snigger]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Thats one of the good things about 1820M. it's hardware effects!! so you can
use the effects in monitoring while recording.
Hope it helps
Jorsi
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i en meddelelse
news:43aae610$1@linux...
> Hey Mic,
>
> Question: I understand the onboard DSP fx don't work in hi-res recording
> modes, but can you still patch to an outboard fx unit with the auxes, so a
> singer, for example, could have some verb in the cans?
>
> Bill
>
> "Mic Cross" <crzymnmchl@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:43a99d44$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Chris, bought a 1820M a while ago - it lasted about 5
>> minutes which is when I ran their s/w - didn't think anything
>> could be worse than the 9652 s/w :-) Gonna plug it back in after
>> all the good things you say. Is it just the mic pres that make
>> it good? What about output? I have got used to the Central
>> Station. Is the 1820M cleaner etc? Does it make sense to take
>> sp/dif out of the 1820M and into the Central Station? Where can
>> I get EmulatorX s/w for $100? TIA,
>>
>> Mic.
>
>Thanks Erlilo !
Thats what exactly needed to know.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>
>
>The only thing I found here now, is some writings from earlier. If it =
>will help, I don't know, but here it comes:
>
>-The card assignments do not affect the cabling. The 10 pin is a =
>straight across connection, and the 16 pin crisscrosses -always. The =
>last card connects back to the first card, again crossing over the same
=
>as if the cards were next to each --other.
>
>-There is no need to be concerned about how Paris "sees" the order of =
>the cards. It does not affect the cables.
>
>
>-Regards,
>-Brian T
>--------------------------------------------
>1) Are the eds cards connected with the
>criss-cross ribbon cables AND one
>clock cable inside your computer?
>Doubl
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e check the pins. They sometimes are
>out of line without noticing.
>
>2) BNC connecting MEC A wordclock out
>to Mec B wordclock in?
>
>3) If 1 and 2 are right, make sure submix B in the
>Group Master Section is set to Card B not virtual
>or anything else.
>
>The mix of submix card A and B should be audible at
>mL & mR as well as ML & MR outs off Submix A
>Master section in the patchbay.
>Hope this helps,
>Tom Bruhl
>----------------------------
>I seems to remember there was something about it in the manual, so I =
>looked, so here you go: The card that's nearest the AGP card is allways
=
>card A, followed by B etc., as far as I can understand from the manual.
>
>Hope this will help and a merry Christmas, Dimitros.
>
>Erling
>
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =
>news:43aaf8a8$1@linux...
>>=20
>> Thanks Erling,
>> My real question though is not how to connect ABC and D but which =
>cards are
>> ABCD the way Paris sees them or the cards in a row...
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>=20
>> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>>>Here's some pictures Aaron sent to the group some years ago, about how
=
>to
>> do=20
>>>it.
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i melding=20
>>>news:43aae4f1$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> D
>>>> Here's a diagram. See the 16 pins are the same, no matter which way
=
>you
>>=20
>>>> think
>>>> about it. The 10 pin WC cables are a little different.
>>>> No spaghetti though.
>>>> Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about it.
>>>> Rod
>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>What I need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?
>>>>>The ones that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes =
>(A
>> to
>>>>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in PCI slots ??? =
>first
>>>> (to
>>>>>the AGP card) is A, second is B,etc.
>>>>>The other way around (as Paris sees which are A,B<C,D) would make a=20
>>>>>spaghetti
>>>>>interconnection.
>>>>>That is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second
=
>as
>>>> card
>>>>>C, third as card D and fourth as card A...
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as the 16 pin cables go, hooking the output of A to the =
>input
>> of
>>>>>B,
>>>>>>and so on, completing the loop by hooking the output of D to the =
>input
>>>> of
>>>>>>A, it will be the exact same hookup.
>>>>>>Draw a diagram and you will see.
>>>>>>As far as the 10 pin cables are concerned, it would be different. =
>(I
>>=20
>>>>>>forgot
>>>>>>about those). All I can say is try it the other way and see if it =
>works.
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear Rod,
>>>>>>>Thanks for replying.
>>>>>>>Paris sees the card as follows assuming we see the cards inside PC
=
>
>>>>>>>naming
>>>>>>>1 the one that is close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.
>>>>>>>1 card in pc =3D card B in Paris
>>>>>>>2 card in pc =3D card C in Paris
>>>>>>>3 card in pc =3D card D in Paris
>>>>>>>4 card in pc =3D card A in Paris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can you somehow describe how you would interconnect them ?
>>>>>>>If I have connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hook the up as Paris sees them. If I'm understanding you =
>correctly,
>>=20
>>>>>>>>however,
>>>>>>>>it will be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order
=
>below
>>>>>>B,
>>>>>>>>with A on the Bottom.
>>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas to all of you although a little bit early...
>>>>>>>>>Regarding the intrconnection of 4 cards .
>>>>>>>>>I connected from like in the manual from first card (slot1) to =
>the
>>=20
>>>>>>>>>last
>>>>>>>>one
>>>>>>>>>(slot 5)
>>>>>>>>>I detect though that card 1 (slot1) is identified as card B, =
>card
>> 4
>>>> (slot
>>>>>>>>>5) is identified as card A (main card)
>>>>>>>>>So due to someone's last post here should I connect as Paris =
>sees
>> the
>>>>>>cards
>>>>>>>>>or as I see them inside my computer?
>>>>>>>>>Paris works ok but maybe I am risking or could have more stable
=
>setup
>>>>>>(nothing
>>>>>>>>>major though)
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>=20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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=
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>crisscrosses=20
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>over the=20
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=
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>1) Are the=20
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>one<BR>clock cable=20
>inside your computer?<BR>Double check the pins. They sometimes =
>are<BR>out=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>I seems to=20
>remember there was something about it in the manual, so I =
>looked, so=20
>here you go: The card that's nearest the AGP card is allways card =
>A,=20
>followed by B etc., as far as I can understand from the=20
>manual.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
>size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
>size=3D3>Hope this will=20
>help and a merry Christmas, Dimitros.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
>size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
>size=3D3>Erling</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><EM><BR></EM></DIV></FONT>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Dimitrios" <</FONT><A=20
>href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>musurgio@otenet.gr</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
>skrev i melding=20
></FONT><A href=3D"news:43aaf8a8$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>news:43aaf8a8$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> =
>Thanks=20
>Erling,<BR>> My real question though is not how to connect ABC and D =
>but=20
>which cards are<BR>> ABCD the way Paris sees them or the cards in a=20
>row...<BR>> Regards,<BR>> Dimitrios<BR>> <BR>> "erlilo"=20
><</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>erlilo@online.no</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
>wrote:<BR>>>Here's some pictures Aaron sent to the group some =
>years ago,=20
>about how to<BR>> do=20
><BR>>>it.<BR>>><BR>>>Erling<BR>>><BR>>>"Rod=
>=20
>Lincoln" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2>> skrev i=20
>melding =
><BR>>>news:43aae4f1$1@linux...<BR>>>><BR>>>>=20
>D<BR>>>> Here's a diagram. See the 16 pins are the same, no =
>matter=20
>which way you<BR>> <BR>>>> think<BR>>>> about it. =
>The 10=20
>pin WC cables are a little different.<BR>>>> No spaghetti=20
>though.<BR>>>> Bottom line...if it works...don't worry about=20
>it.<BR>>>> Rod<BR>>>> "Dimitrios" <</FONT><A=20
>href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>musurgio@otenet.gr</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
>wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Thanks,<BR>>>>>=
>What I=20
>need to clarify is which is card A , B, C and D ?<BR>>>>>The =
>ones=20
>that Paris sees as A B C D so to connect as Rod describes (A<BR>>=20
>to<BR>>>>>B , B to C , C to D...) OR as they are inserted in =
>PCI=20
>slots ??? first<BR>>>> (to<BR>>>>>the AGP =
>card) is A,=20
>second is B,etc.<BR>>>>>The other way around (as Paris sees =
>which=20
>are A,B<C,D) would make a=20
><BR>>>>>spaghetti<BR>>>>>interconnection.<BR>>=
>>>>That=20
>is because first card inside PC is recognized as card B, second=20
>as<BR>>>> card<BR>>>>>C, third as card D and fourth =
>as card=20
>A...<BR>>>>>Thanks<BR>>>>>Dimitrios<BR>>>&g=
>t;>"Rod=20
>Lincoln" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2>rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2>>=20
>wrote:<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>As far as the 16 =
>pin=20
>cables go, hooking the output of A to the input<BR>>=20
>of<BR>>>>>B,<BR>>>>>>and so on, completing =
>the loop=20
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>hookup.<BR>>>>>>Draw a diagram and you will=20
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>it would=20
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>say is try it the other way and see if it=20
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>>>"Dimitrios"=20
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>replying.<BR>>>>>>>Paris sees the card as follows =
>assuming we=20
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><BR>>>>>>>naming<BR>>>>>>>1 the one =
>that is=20
>close to agp card and 4 the furtherst away.<BR>>>>>>>1 =
>card in=20
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>C in=20
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>somehow=20
>describe how you would interconnect them ?<BR>>>>>>>If =
>I have=20
>connected them "wrongly" why does Paris work=20
>?<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Regards,<BR>>=
>>>>>>Dimitrios<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>=
>>>>"Rod=20
>Lincoln" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><FONT =
>face=3DArial=20
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>up as Paris sees them. If I'm understanding you correctly,<BR>>=20
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>t will=20
>be the same hookup , assuming cards C and D are in order=20
>below<BR>>>>>>B,<BR>>>>>>>>with A on =
>the=20
>Bottom.<BR>>>>>>>>Rod<BR>>>>>>>>=
>;<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>=
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios"=20
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>size=3D2>musurgio@otenet.gr</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>=20
>wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>=
>;>Hi,<BR>>>>>>>>>Merry=20
>Christmas to all of you although a little bit=20
>early...<BR>>>>>>>>>Regarding the intrconnection =
>of 4=20
>cards .<BR>>>>>>>>>I connected from like in the =
>manual=20
>from first card (slot1) to the<BR>>=20
><BR>>>>>>>>>last<BR>>>>>>>>o=
>ne<BR>>>>>>>>>(slot=20
>5)<BR>>>>>>>>>I detect though that card 1 =
>(slot1) is=20
>identified as card B, card<BR>> 4<BR>>>>=20
>(slot<BR>>>>>>>>>5) is identified as card A =
>(main=20
>card)<BR>>>>>>>>>So due to someone's last post =
>here=20
>should I connect as Paris sees<BR>>=20
>the<BR>>>>>>cards<BR>>>>>>>>>or =
>as I see=20
>them inside my computer?<BR>>>>>>>>>Paris works =
>ok but=20
>maybe I am risking or could have more stable=20
>setup<BR>>>>>>(nothing<BR>>>>>>>>>=
>major=20
>though)<BR>>>>>>>>>Regards,<BR>>>>>&g=
>t;>>>Dimitrios<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>&g=
>t;>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>=20
><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>></FONT></BODY></H=
>TML>
>
>Hey Thad,
I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be curious
to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most of
> the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
> very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple of
> GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
> there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
> it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
> to argue against.
>
> What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
> have a lot to do with it as well.
>
> TCB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi James,
>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>
>>>Morgan
>>>
>>
>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>
> a
>
>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the slower
>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have built
>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>
> Why
>
>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
>
> hear
>
>>about his findings.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>
>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>
>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>
>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most of
>the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
of
>GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
>it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
>to argue against.
>
>What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
>have a lot to do with it as well.
>
>TCB
This is funny, he is blaming The G5 processor for being slow, and you your
blaming Mac OSX for being slow. Which is it? Why don't you guys go do
some real research. There has been speed test on the G5. I think you will
find that there is plenty of data to show that the G5 is fast. There are
plenty of OSX users here that will tell you OSX is snappy.
I'd like to see system for system tests. Same memory, same hard drive, same
task etc. Show me some facts, then I'll believe it. If it's true that Mac
OSX runs faster on PC hardware than on Apple hardware with a G5, than the
world should know!
I think it just more Mac bashing, PC Zealot stuff.
James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>Hi James,
>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>
>>>Morgan
>>>
>>
>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>a
>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the slower
>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have built
>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>Why
>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
>hear
>>about his findings.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>>
>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>
>>>> http://osx86project.org/
>>>
>You realize I was being silly, right? I have heard though and it's probably
true that a lot of the OSX code is rather bloated and could be streamlined.
When a company does things right though (I'm thinking Adobe and Photoshop
here) the G5 chips can keep up with and even surpass the Intel stuff. There
is plenty of benchmark info out there in this area. For me, OSX seems pretty
responsive. Plus, I just like the way my Macs work. I would like to look
into the whole open source thing, but just don't have the time to learn the
technical end of it. Like I say, use the platform that you're comfortable
with and works for you.
Tony
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ab024e$1@linux...
>
> I'm an equal opportunity hater--XP and OS X are but minor variations on
> the
> very same theme. The wonderful world of GNU\Linux, where I am in control
> of my own computer, as another symphony entirely.
>
> TCB
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>So Thad, are you saying you don't care for Apple, OSX and the mac in
>>general
>
>>? You're being so vague. ;>)
>>
>>I'll start my twelve step program right now, but I'm not guaranteeing
>>anything!
>>
>>Hi, my name is Tony and I use a Mac.
>>
>>;>)
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43aab7b1$1@linux...
>>>
>>> This is a bit cryptic to me, but if Debian/Gnome is bad sex and
>>> man'n'cheese
>>> then OS X is erectile dysfunction and cold noodle soup.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spambillgates.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Sheesh, yeah, you can get used to bad sex and mac n' cheese for
>>>>dinner too...
>>>>
>>>>heh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Why on earth anyone would want a proprietary, bloated *nix on X86
>>>>>processors
>>>>>is completely and totally beyond me. You want audio? Install XP, it
>>>>>works
>>>>>great. You want every last drop of *nix scrumptiousness on planet earth
>>>>with
>>>>>the same hardware? www.debian.org and you won't owe Cupertino one thin
>>> dime.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Come on in! The water's fine! Once you get used to being out of Big
>>>>>Brother's
>>>>>reach you'll love it!
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I'm with everyone elso on the Dave Brown plugin and Spitfish too They are
both very good.......better than the Waves REN de-esser which I also have
here. I recently bought an SPL (hardware) deesser. IMO, this is a much more
natural sounding de-esser than any frequency based compressor. I have heard
that someone made a plugin of this, but I haven't heard it.
Deej
"David Posey" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43aabe66$1@linux...
>
> I had done a search looking for a desesser plugin but have come up with
nothing.
> Any help would appreciated.
> David PHey thanks Jorsi. Right now I'm pretty happy not using either the Matrox
driver or the VIA AGP driver. I'm not having any problems at all and after
going through such grief, my thinking on this is why add two drivers to the
mix if I'm doing OK without them? I know that doesn't sound much like
something I would do, but in this case, I'm just tired of ****'ing around
with this computer. It's working exactly as I had hoped now so why bother?
;o)
Deej
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43ab0515@linux...
> I have seen that you can get an patch for your A8V so you can use the
> matrox-drivers in matrox forum, all you have do is go to the forum ask for
> the patch and they will send it to your email-address.
> hope it helps
> Jorsi
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:43a45564@linux...
> > Life seems to be good without the VIA drivers, t least on the AGP. Looks
> > like the AGP is OK and the cards are OK. I was worried that I might be
> > having a hardware problem but life is good without the VIA drivers.
> > I didn't Ghost before I loaded these drivers (hey!!!!.......... these
were
> > the mobo drivers!!!!......what could go wrong ? ;o) so I had to reformat
> > the
> > new system drive and load Windows XP again. I've got both the Matrox
video
> > cards working nicely now and I'm Ghosting the system drive as we speak.
> >
> > I'm thinking of loading the Matrox universal driver, though I have found
> > the
> > default Matrox drivers that is in XP to be a bit less troublesome
because
> > it
> > doesn't laod all of the extra Power Desk features, none of which I use.
> >
> > (Yawn........was up until 4AM jacking around with this
thing.........need
> > coffee..........).
> >
> >
> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43a3e23c$1@linux...
> >> Doug, this seems to again be a long story for you. Have you tested with
> > the
> >> new Matrox G450 certified drivers from sept.05. I had no luck with the
> >> new
> >> driver on my sForce Epox 9NDA3+ board but maybe VIA will eat it? The
new
> >> driver is for WinXP.
> >>
> >> Erling
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
> >> news:43a3bb3e$1@linux...
> >> > Major suckage. The VIA AGP driver gets corrupted whenever I insert my
> >> > Matrox
> >> > G450 PCI card. It's a repeatable situation. Now.........do I really
> >> > need
> >> > this driver? That is the question.
> >> >
> >> > Hmmmm...........
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:43a3b023@linux...
> >> >> Yep!!!.......definitely an issue with teh VIA 4in1 driver. Damn!!! I
> > hope
> >> >> this isn't an incompatibility issue between the KT 800 and the
Matrox
> >> >> driver. I was sorta' thinking that this might be a friggin
trainwreck.
> >> >> The
> >> >> G450 is a bit long in the tooth.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:43a3aac9$1@linux...
> >> >> > Well..........no workee with the Magma aND IRQ assignments and
> > getting
> >> >> > squirrellier by the minute on current OS. I ghosted it and pulled
> > the
> >> >> > drive. Now I have got a brand new WD 80G 8MB cache formatted and I
> >> >> installed
> >> >> > Win XP. Immediate problems with my Matrox graphics cards right
after
> > I
> >> >> > installed the VIA 4in1 drivers for the mobo. It's gonna be a
> > hellacious
> >> >> > weekend I'm afraid.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ;o{
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:43a39439$1@linux...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >> >> > > >You posted good vibes 'before` getting the Magma in and Paris
> >> > running?
> >> >> > > >Oh man, now you've done it..........
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hehe... [snigger snigger]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>So, Jamie, you think I just make this stuff up? I'm some platform hater with
no numbers or knowledge to back up what I say? Remember, in addition to what
I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and developer.
And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this urban
legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5 is a fabulous
RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in kernel
development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly mult-threaded
environments.
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does and
note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than the same
hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about the guy
who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel who
banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the hotel
bathroom mirror . . .
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Thad,
>
>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be curious
>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most
of
>> the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>> very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
of
>> GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>> there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
>> it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
>> to argue against.
>>
>> What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
>> have a lot to do with it as well.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi James,
>>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>>
>>>>Morgan
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>>
>> a
>>
>>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the
slower
>>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have
built
>>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>>
>> Why
>>
>>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
>>
>> hear
>>
>>>about his findings.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.<
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| Re: Bizzare_assertion_fail_problem_any_insight? [message #60865 is a reply to message #60863] |
Fri, 02 December 2005 10:01 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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|
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>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>
>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>
>>See my response to Jamie.
TCB
"Jqmes McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most
of
>>the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>>very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
>of
>>GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>>there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
>>it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
>>to argue against.
>>
>>What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
>>have a lot to do with it as well.
>>
>>TCB
>
>
>This is funny, he is blaming The G5 processor for being slow, and you your
>blaming Mac OSX for being slow. Which is it? Why don't you guys go do
>some real research. There has been speed test on the G5. I think you
will
>find that there is plenty of data to show that the G5 is fast. There are
>plenty of OSX users here that will tell you OSX is snappy.
>
>I'd like to see system for system tests. Same memory, same hard drive,
same
>task etc. Show me some facts, then I'll believe it. If it's true that
Mac
>OSX runs faster on PC hardware than on Apple hardware with a G5, than the
>world should know!
>
>I think it just more Mac bashing, PC Zealot stuff.
>
>James
>
>
>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi James,
>>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>>
>>>>Morgan
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>>a
>>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the
slower
>>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have
built
>>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>
>>Why
>>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
>>hear
>>>about his findings.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>> FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>
>>>>> http://osx86project.org/
>>>>
>>
>Of course you were being silly, as was I. Hey, I'd love to have nice dual
G5 as a linux box in my house, no problem. I might like a dual Opteron a
bit more but I'd take either. My point, and I'll keep rambling on about this
as long as I can becuase it's the internet and nobody can stop me, is that
ALL proprietary OS's to me are inferior to the free software alternative
save some critical apps (for me audio stuff) that will never get there. Once
you make the switch, you realize that the label on the front of the thing
is a red herring, a way to bring in revenue for not adding value and convince
people what computer they use makes them a certain kind of person. What a
person DOES with a computer (or a paint brush or a bowie knife or a PEZ dispenser)
defines the person, the rest is just marketing.
And yes, thanks for being silly ;-)
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>You realize I was being silly, right? I have heard though and it's probably
>true that a lot of the OSX code is rather bloated and could be streamlined.
>When a company does things right though (I'm thinking Adobe and Photoshop
>here) the G5 chips can keep up with and even surpass the Intel stuff. There
>is plenty of benchmark info out there in this area. For me, OSX seems pretty
>responsive. Plus, I just like the way my Macs work. I would like to look
>into the whole open source thing, but just don't have the time to learn
the
>technical end of it. Like I say, use the platform that you're comfortable
>with and works for you.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ab024e$1@linux...
>>
>> I'm an equal opportunity hater--XP and OS X are but minor variations on
>> the
>> very same theme. The wonderful world of GNU\Linux, where I am in control
>> of my own computer, as another symphony entirely.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>So Thad, are you saying you don't care for Apple, OSX and the mac in
>>>general
>>
>>>? You're being so vague. ;>)
>>>
>>>I'll start my twelve step program right now, but I'm not guaranteeing
>>>anything!
>>>
>>>Hi, my name is Tony and I use a Mac.
>>>
>>>;>)
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43aab7b1$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> This is a bit cryptic to me, but if Debian/Gnome is bad sex and
>>>> man'n'cheese
>>>> then OS X is erectile dysfunction and cold noodle soup.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@spambillgates.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Sheesh, yeah, you can get used to bad sex and mac n' cheese for
>>>>>dinner too...
>>>>>
>>>>>heh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why on earth anyone would want a proprietary, bloated *nix on X86
>>>>>>processors
>>>>>>is completely and totally beyond me. You want audio? Install XP, it
>>>>>>works
>>>>>>great. You want every last drop of *nix scrumptiousness on planet earth
>>>>>with
>>>>>>the same hardware? www.debian.org and you won't owe Cupertino one thin
>>>> dime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Come on in! The water's fine! Once you get used to being out of Big
>>>>>>Brother's
>>>>>>reach you'll love it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Just got off the phone with Tom Freemen over at UA. The new 4.1 software
should be up for DL in a couple of hours.
This multiband slloks like it is going a bit beyond the usual crop of
multiband plugins and may actually be pretty useful. I sometimes use
multibands on bass but haven't really found any plugins ththat float my boat
for use on the mix bus (if it's my mix, I'd rather re-mix than use a
multiband) but this might actually be a sueful tool for outside work tat
can't be remixed.
I'm going to give the demo a twirl.
;o)Yeah that's great, but I read that when you go to hi-res (96K) the f/x are
not available. At that point can you use outboard f/x? Do the auxes still
work?
Bill
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43ab08a8@linux...
> Thats one of the good things about 1820M. it's hardware effects!! so you
> can use the effects in monitoring while recording.
> Hope it helps
> Jorsi
> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:43aae610$1@linux...
>> Hey Mic,
>>
>> Question: I understand the onboard DSP fx don't work in hi-res recording
>> modes, but can you still patch to an outboard fx unit with the auxes, so
>> a singer, for example, could have some verb in the cans?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> "Mic Cross" <crzymnmchl@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:43a99d44$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi Chris, bought a 1820M a while ago - it lasted about 5
>>> minutes which is when I ran their s/w - didn't think anything
>>> could be worse than the 9652 s/w :-) Gonna plug it back in after
>>> all the good things you say. Is it just the mic pres that make
>>> it good? What about output? I have got used to the Central
>>> Station. Is the 1820M cleaner etc? Does it make sense to take
>>> sp/dif out of the 1820M and into the Central Station? Where can
>>> I get EmulatorX s/w for $100? TIA,
>>>
>>> Mic.
>>
>>
>
>Thad, if you compare features, the 01x is really a full mixer, and could be
more versatile, whereas the Maudio seems more limited. Not to mention that
Yammy has a long history of making nice digital mixers and f/x etc.
Bill
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43a9f162$1@linux...
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Thanks for all of the tips. I didn't know the options were so much more
> varied.
> I think I'll probably go for the M-Audio. Not too expensive, uses the
> Mackie
> protocol (should be more software/hardware agnostic) and very nicely is
> from
> the company that distributes Live so I'd guess support for my new most
> beloved
> app will be good. Tascam is a close second though, but thanks to everyone.
>
>
> TCB
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey all,
>>
>>I've been looking for a new audio interface, as my Aardvark Q10 has no
>>continuing
>>driver support. I'm kind of out of the loop these days, but a friend
>>suggested
>>that since I'm a SX boy and Yamaha is pimping SX as the best software for
>>use with mLan products, that the 01X might be a good idea.
>>
>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAM01X
>>
>>Any experiences, good or bad? I don't think I'd be using the mixer much,
>>it would mostly just be an audio interface and a remote control device.
>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>TCB
>Yes!
Hope it helps
Jorsi
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i en meddelelse
news:43ab39b5@linux...
> Yeah that's great, but I read that when you go to hi-res (96K) the f/x are
> not available. At that point can you use outboard f/x? Do the auxes still
> work?
>
> Bill
>
> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43ab08a8@linux...
>> Thats one of the good things about 1820M. it's hardware effects!! so you
>> can use the effects in monitoring while recording.
>> Hope it helps
>> Jorsi
>> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:43aae610$1@linux...
>>> Hey Mic,
>>>
>>> Question: I understand the onboard DSP fx don't work in hi-res recording
>>> modes, but can you still patch to an outboard fx unit with the auxes, so
>>> a singer, for example, could have some verb in the cans?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> "Mic Cross" <crzymnmchl@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:43a99d44$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hi Chris, bought a 1820M a while ago - it lasted about 5
>>>> minutes which is when I ran their s/w - didn't think anything
>>>> could be worse than the 9652 s/w :-) Gonna plug it back in after
>>>> all the good things you say. Is it just the mic pres that make
>>>> it good? What about output? I have got used to the Central
>>>> Station. Is the 1820M cleaner etc? Does it make sense to take
>>>> sp/dif out of the 1820M and into the Central Station? Where can
>>>> I get EmulatorX s/w for $100? TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Mic.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix_feat.html
This is absolutely the coolest thing since sliced bread. I've got it
happening right now using BDF as the sound engine, but it also has a very
good sounding sample set of it's own and or can be used with DFH as well.
Mic Cross turned me on to this about a week ago and I have become obsessed
with it.
;oPYou got a point there, but maybe it's a good idea to get the patch for
future XP re-install projects; as I've seen in this NG you do a lot of
tweeking with your stuff.
it's very inspiring to read all of your solutions.
Merry christmas
Jorsi
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:43ab3430$1@linux...
> Hey thanks Jorsi. Right now I'm pretty happy not using either the Matrox
> driver or the VIA AGP driver. I'm not having any problems at all and after
> going through such grief, my thinking on this is why add two drivers to
> the
> mix if I'm doing OK without them? I know that doesn't sound much like
> something I would do, but in this case, I'm just tired of ****'ing around
> with this computer. It's working exactly as I had hoped now so why bother?
> ;o)
> Deej
> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43ab0515@linux...
>> I have seen that you can get an patch for your A8V so you can use the
>> matrox-drivers in matrox forum, all you have do is go to the forum ask
>> for
>> the patch and they will send it to your email-address.
>> hope it helps
>> Jorsi
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:43a45564@linux...
>> > Life seems to be good without the VIA drivers, t least on the AGP.
>> > Looks
>> > like the AGP is OK and the cards are OK. I was worried that I might be
>> > having a hardware problem but life is good without the VIA drivers.
>> > I didn't Ghost before I loaded these drivers (hey!!!!.......... these
> were
>> > the mobo drivers!!!!......what could go wrong ? ;o) so I had to
>> > reformat
>> > the
>> > new system drive and load Windows XP again. I've got both the Matrox
> video
>> > cards working nicely now and I'm Ghosting the system drive as we speak.
>> >
>> > I'm thinking of loading the Matrox universal driver, though I have
>> > found
>> > the
>> > default Matrox drivers that is in XP to be a bit less troublesome
> because
>> > it
>> > doesn't laod all of the extra Power Desk features, none of which I use.
>> >
>> > (Yawn........was up until 4AM jacking around with this
> thing.........need
>> > coffee..........).
>> >
>> >
>> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43a3e23c$1@linux...
>> >> Doug, this seems to again be a long story for you. Have you tested
>> >> with
>> > the
>> >> new Matrox G450 certified drivers from sept.05. I had no luck with the
>> >> new
>> >> driver on my sForce Epox 9NDA3+ board but maybe VIA will eat it? The
> new
>> >> driver is for WinXP.
>> >>
>> >> Erling
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>> >> news:43a3bb3e$1@linux...
>> >> > Major suckage. The VIA AGP driver gets corrupted whenever I insert
>> >> > my
>> >> > Matrox
>> >> > G450 PCI card. It's a repeatable situation. Now.........do I really
>> >> > need
>> >> > this driver? That is the question.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hmmmm...........
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:43a3b023@linux...
>> >> >> Yep!!!.......definitely an issue with teh VIA 4in1 driver. Damn!!!
>> >> >> I
>> > hope
>> >> >> this isn't an incompatibility issue between the KT 800 and the
> Matrox
>> >> >> driver. I was sorta' thinking that this might be a friggin
> trainwreck.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> G450 is a bit long in the tooth.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:43a3aac9$1@linux...
>> >> >> > Well..........no workee with the Magma aND IRQ assignments and
>> > getting
>> >> >> > squirrellier by the minute on current OS. I ghosted it and
>> >> >> > pulled
>> > the
>> >> >> > drive. Now I have got a brand new WD 80G 8MB cache formatted and
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> installed
>> >> >> > Win XP. Immediate problems with my Matrox graphics cards right
> after
>> > I
>> >> >> > installed the VIA 4in1 drivers for the mobo. It's gonna be a
>> > hellacious
>> >> >> > weekend I'm afraid.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ;o{
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:43a39439$1@linux...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> >> >> > > >You posted good vibes 'before` getting the Magma in and Paris
>> >> > running?
>> >> >> > > >Oh man, now you've done it..........
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Hehe... [snigger snigger]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Nopt a bad idea to have on hand. I do appreciate you tinking about me. I'll
DL it and keep it around. good suggestiion. Woh knows. I'm still burning
this rig in and there's still the possibility rof a meltdown.
Merry Christmas to you too.
;o)
Deej
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43ab42eb@linux...
> You got a point there, but maybe it's a good idea to get the patch for
> future XP re-install projects; as I've seen in this NG you do a lot of
> tweeking with your stuff.
> it's very inspiring to read all of your solutions.
> Merry christmas
> Jorsi
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:43ab3430$1@linux...
> > Hey thanks Jorsi. Right now I'm pretty happy not using either the Matrox
> > driver or the VIA AGP driver. I'm not having any problems at all and
after
> > going through such grief, my thinking on this is why add two drivers to
> > the
> > mix if I'm doing OK without them? I know that doesn't sound much like
> > something I would do, but in this case, I'm just tired of ****'ing
around
> > with this computer. It's working exactly as I had hoped now so why
bother?
> > ;o)
> > Deej
> > "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43ab0515@linux...
> >> I have seen that you can get an patch for your A8V so you can use the
> >> matrox-drivers in matrox forum, all you have do is go to the forum ask
> >> for
> >> the patch and they will send it to your email-address.
> >> hope it helps
> >> Jorsi
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> >> news:43a45564@linux...
> >> > Life seems to be good without the VIA drivers, t least on the AGP.
> >> > Looks
> >> > like the AGP is OK and the cards are OK. I was worried that I might
be
> >> > having a hardware problem but life is good without the VIA drivers.
> >> > I didn't Ghost before I loaded these drivers (hey!!!!.......... these
> > were
> >> > the mobo drivers!!!!......what could go wrong ? ;o) so I had to
> >> > reformat
> >> > the
> >> > new system drive and load Windows XP again. I've got both the Matrox
> > video
> >> > cards working nicely now and I'm Ghosting the system drive as we
speak.
> >> >
> >> > I'm thinking of loading the Matrox universal driver, though I have
> >> > found
> >> > the
> >> > default Matrox drivers that is in XP to be a bit less troublesome
> > because
> >> > it
> >> > doesn't laod all of the extra Power Desk features, none of which I
use.
> >> >
> >> > (Yawn........was up until 4AM jacking around with this
> > thing.........need
> >> > coffee..........).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43a3e23c$1@linux...
> >> >> Doug, this seems to again be a long story for you. Have you tested
> >> >> with
> >> > the
> >> >> new Matrox G450 certified drivers from sept.05. I had no luck with
the
> >> >> new
> >> >> driver on my sForce Epox 9NDA3+ board but maybe VIA will eat it? The
> > new
> >> >> driver is for WinXP.
> >> >>
> >> >> Erling
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
> >> >> news:43a3bb3e$1@linux...
> >> >> > Major suckage. The VIA AGP driver gets corrupted whenever I insert
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > Matrox
> >> >> > G450 PCI card. It's a repeatable situation. Now.........do I
really
> >> >> > need
> >> >> > this driver? That is the question.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hmmmm...........
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:43a3b023@linux...
> >> >> >> Yep!!!.......definitely an issue with teh VIA 4in1 driver.
Damn!!!
> >> >> >> I
> >> > hope
> >> >> >> this isn't an incompatibility issue between the KT 800 and the
> > Matrox
> >> >> >> driver. I was sorta' thinking that this might be a friggin
> > trainwreck.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> G450 is a bit long in the tooth.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:43a3aac9$1@linux...
> >> >> >> > Well..........no workee with the Magma aND IRQ assignments and
> >> > getting
> >> >> >> > squirrellier by the minute on current OS. I ghosted it and
> >> >> >> > pulled
> >> > the
> >> >> >> > drive. Now I have got a brand new WD 80G 8MB cache formatted
and
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> installed
> >> >> >> > Win XP. Immediate problems with my Matrox graphics cards right
> > after
> >> > I
> >> >> >> > installed the VIA 4in1 drivers for the mobo. It's gonna be a
> >> > hellacious
> >> >> >> > weekend I'm afraid.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > ;o{
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:43a39439$1@linux...
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >You posted good vibes 'before` getting the Magma in and
Paris
> >> >> > running?
> >> >> >> > > >Oh man, now you've done it..........
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Hehe... [snigger snigger]
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Can anyone here recommend one? Alternatively, does anyone have experience
with the SPL hardware one?
ThanksSome of you guys use a popular distressor (hardware)
what is a comparible software alternative?
ThanksI've got the SPL hardware unit. It's very transparent. I prefer it to any
de-esser plugins I've tried.
"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote in message
news:43ab6079$1@linux...
>
> Can anyone here recommend one? Alternatively, does anyone have experience
> with the SPL hardware one?
>
> ThanksI've got a couple of Distressors and I can get something very similar out of
a Voxengo plugin I have around here called squashfish or something like
that.
"Brandon" <lwire98@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43ab61ac$1@linux...
>
> Some of you guys use a popular distressor (hardware)
> what is a comparible software alternative?
> Thanks...........errrr..........Blockfish..........and it's free.
http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem =5
All of these plugins are very good, IMHO.
Merry Christmas
;o)
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43ab734d$1@linux...
> I've got a couple of Distressors and I can get something very similar out
of
> a Voxengo plugin I have around here called squashfish or something like
> that.
>
> "Brandon" <lwire98@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43ab61ac$1@linux...
> >
> > Some of you guys use a popular distressor (hardware)
> > what is a comparible software alternative?
> > Thanks
>
>TCB wrote:
> So, Jamie, you think I just make this stuff up? I'm some platform hater with
> no numbers or knowledge to back up what I say?
As I mentioned, I was curious to see the evidence you referred to.
Thanks for posting some links.
And yes, you are a platform hater but I understand. :^)
Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown to
be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own (their
example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's not
their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific choices
in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be interesting
to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything to
address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples make
it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is optimized
for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking quad
mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very interesting
to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination does.
This is all a moving target.
In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not open
source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
specific statistical software he finds better performance under Linux
when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says much
about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than his
complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he should
consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although they
may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software development
also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very capable
platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I use
is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for server
use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video and
graphics system-wide.
It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to happen.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Remember, in addition to what
> I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and developer.
> And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this urban
> legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5 is a fabulous
> RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in kernel
> development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly mult-threaded
> environments.
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>
> Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does and
> note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than the same
> hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>
> http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>
> Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about the guy
> who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel who
> banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the hotel
> bathroom mirror . . .
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey Thad,
>>
>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be curious
>
>
>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most
>
> of
>
>>>the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>>>very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
>
> of
>
>>>GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>>>there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to make
>>>it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty hard
>>>to argue against.
>>>
>>>What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That could
>>>have a lot to do with it as well.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi James,
>>>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>>>
>>>>>Morgan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the
>
> slower
>
>>>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have
>
> built
>
>>>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>
>
>>>Why
>>>
>>>
>>>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting to
>>>
>>>hear
>>>
>>>
>>>>about his findings.
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>>
>....and it comes with a 147$ coupong savings for earlier owners of a
Presision UAD-plugin, to buy the rest of the Precision series... ...so, let
me see, is there's some hided giftmoney in a secret pocket a place here on
the little Christmas day today? Let me see, dollar one, dollar two, dollar
three, dollar four, shit, I don't save any nickels at all, let me see, the
eq cost 199 boxes, the new Multichannel comp. cost, what was it? 249$?
Arghh, it will cost me about 300 boxes, so where's the saved $$$$
going???.... .... help me Santa Claus, do I really need this stuff with all
the plugins I allready owns????.... ....let me see, dollar five, dollar six,
dollar seven.....
.....Merry Christmas to everyone!!!!....dollar eight, dollar nine, dollar
ten, I must find some more secret pockets.......
erlilo
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:43ab38e8@linux...
> Just got off the phone with Tom Freemen over at UA. The new 4.1 software
> should be up for DL in a couple of hours.
>
> This multiband slloks like it is going a bit beyond the usual crop of
> multiband plugins and may actually be pretty useful. I sometimes use
> multibands on bass but haven't really found any plugins ththat float my
> boat
> for use on the mix bus (if it's my mix, I'd rather re-mix than use a
> multiband) but this might actually be a sueful tool for outside work tat
> can't be remixed.
>
> I'm going to give the demo a twirl.
>
> ;o)
>
>
>comes from the motherboards bios.
according to the brand/model it doesnt always assign "humanly" the pci ports
doesnt matter as long as you dont have an irq shared beetween an scherzo and
another peripheral (scsi, lan, audio, video).
should be explained in your motherboards manual.
br
cyrille
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> a écrit dans le message de news:
43aa6ea1$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> Merry Christmas to all of you although a little bit early...
> Regarding the intrconnection of 4 cards .
> I connected from like in the manual from first card (slot1) to the last
one
> (slot 5)
> I detect though that card 1 (slot1) is identified as card B, card 4 (slot
> 5) is identified as card A (main card)
> So due to someone's last post here should I connect as Paris sees the
cards
> or as I see them inside my computer?
> Paris works ok but maybe I am risking or could have more stable setup
(nothing
> major though)
> Regards,
> Dimitrios.... and Deej turned me onto it a night ago, and I am becoming obsessed with
it. Once I get my personal business out of the way and set back up in my new
house (just closed on it today!) I'm _definitely_ going to dive in full
force with it.
Danke' Doug and Mic.. great find !
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43ab3cd5$1@linux...
> http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix_feat.html
>
> This is absolutely the coolest thing since sliced bread. I've got it
> happening right now using BDF as the sound engine, but it also has a very
> good sounding sample set of it's own and or can be used with DFH as well.
> Mic Cross turned me on to this about a week ago and I have become obsessed
> with it.
>
> ;oP
>
>or...you rapscallion you.
On 23 Dec 2005 01:41:14 +1000, "Rod Lincoln"
<rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>You REBEL!
>;-)
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>The 2400 is a good idea because it's got the same chip form factor. The
>2800
>>would require a new mobo and the whole point of this is to get this working
>>on my existing mobo that isn't meant to be used with the
>>Opteron..........first of all, so I don't have to reformat and reload all
>ov
>>my programs/drivers, second of all, so that I can be doing something totally
>>inappropriate.
>>
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43aa5f43$1@linux...
>>> .....what so?-o).... ....if you're first thinking these thoughts, why
>not
>>> think bigger? Opteron have a 2400 MHz too for socket 939, named 180. For
>>the
>>> socket 940 you can get a 2800 MHz for about 1500 boxes to use with a cheap
>>> Asus SK8N 70$ board, so the brain will have big problems to follow it
>up
>>> when it comes to speed;-).......
>>>
>> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30 _118_8825,00.htm
>>l
>>>
>>> Erling
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>>> news:43aa1971$1@linux...
>>> > ...............drop one of these into my ASUS A8V-Deluxe 939 mobo and
>>see
>>> > what happens?
>>> >
>>> >
>> http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=BA22051&a mp;CartID=done&nextl
>>> > oc=
>>> >
>>> > .............I mean, the AMD 64 4200 x 2 is also a socket 939 and, of
>>> > course, so is the mobo socket, so barring a bios snafu (entirely
>>possible)
>>> > mighn't this be possible? It would seem that the AMD 64 4200 X2 would
>be
>>> > faster since the cores are running at 2200 MHz per processor, but the
>>> > Opteron has 2 x 1MB L2 cache and an unlocked multiplier (if accessable
>>> > from
>>> > the bios) and from what I hear, a better formulation of silicon.
>>> >
>>> > Hmmmmmm............man I'm tempted. Why don't y'all pass the plate and
>>> > send
>>> > me one of these?
>>> >
>>> > ;oD
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>dude, go back to bed :-) been up since 4 arghhhhh
rick wrote:
> or...you rapscallion you.
>
> On 23 Dec 2005 01:41:14 +1000, "Rod Lincoln"
> <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>You REBEL!
>>;-)
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>>The 2400 is a good idea because it's got the same chip form factor. The
>>
>>2800
>>
>>>would require a new mobo and the whole point of this is to get this working
>>>on my existing mobo that isn't meant to be used with the
>>>Opteron..........first of all, so I don't have to reformat and reload all
>>
>>ov
>>
>>>my programs/drivers, second of all, so that I can be doing something totally
>>>inappropriate.
>>>
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43aa5f43$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>.....what so?-o).... ....if you're first thinking these thoughts, why
>>
>>not
>>
>>>>think bigger? Opteron have a 2400 MHz too for socket 939, named 180. For
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>socket 940 you can get a 2800 MHz for about 1500 boxes to use with a cheap
>>>>Asus SK8N 70$ board, so the brain will have big problems to follow it
>>
>>up
>>
>>>>when it comes to speed;-).......
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30 _118_8825,00.htm
>>>l
>>>
>>>>Erling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>>>>news:43aa1971$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>...............drop one of these into my ASUS A8V-Deluxe 939 mobo and
>>>
>>>see
>>>
>>>>>what happens?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=BA22051&a mp;CartID=done&nextl
>>>
>>>>>oc=
>>>>>
>>>>>.............I mean, the AMD 64 4200 x 2 is also a socket 939 and, of
>>>>>course, so is the mobo socket, so barring a bios snafu (entirely
>>>
>>>possible)
>>>
>>>>>mighn't this be possible? It would seem that the AMD 64 4200 X2 would
>>
>>be
>>
>>>>>faster since the cores are running at 2200 MHz per processor, but the
>>>>>Opteron has 2 x 1MB L2 cache and an unlocked multiplier (if accessable
>>>>>from
>>>>>the bios) and from what I hear, a better formulation of silicon.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmmmmm............man I'm tempted. Why don't y'all pass the plate and
>>>>>send
>>>>>me one of these?
>>>>>
>>>>>;oD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>Not bad for $79 .. and it will fit nicely into my Cubase rig.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43abbea9@linux...
> ... and Deej turned me onto it a night ago, and I am becoming obsessed
> with it. Once I get my personal business out of the way and set back up in
> my new house (just closed on it today!) I'm _definitely_ going to dive in
> full force with it.
> Danke' Doug and Mic.. great find !
>
> AA
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43ab3cd5$1@linux...
>> http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix_feat.html
>>
>> This is absolutely the coolest thing since sliced bread. I've got it
>> happening right now using BDF as the sound engine, but it also has a very
>> good sounding sample set of it's own and or can be used with DFH as well.
>> Mic Cross turned me on to this about a week ago and I have become
>> obsessed
>> with it.
>>
>> ;oP
>>
>>
>
>The guy who wrote those now works at Magix (Samplitude), and has written 2
very nice new comnpression plugs for Samplitude 8. I've been digging his
plugs for years.
Bill L
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43ab8791@linux...
> ..........errrr..........Blockfish..........and it's free.
>
> http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem =5
>
> All of these plugins are very good, IMHO.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43ab734d$1@linux...
>> I've got a couple of Distressors and I can get something very similar out
> of
>> a Voxengo plugin I have around here called squashfish or something like
>> that.
>>
>> "Brandon" <lwire98@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43ab61ac$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Some of you guys use a popular distressor (hardware)
>> > what is a comparible software alternative?
>> > Thanks
>>
>>
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>TCB wrote:
>> So, Jamie, you think I just make this stuff up? I'm some platform hater
with
>> no numbers or knowledge to back up what I say?
>
>As I mentioned, I was curious to see the evidence you referred to.
>Thanks for posting some links.
>
>And yes, you are a platform hater but I understand. :^)
>
>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown to
>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own (their
>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's not
>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous at managing
mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use relatively few
threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only a few threads
and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio apps are usually
more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation" level work,
so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might make some
sense.
The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units on G5 chips
are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering. So if one
is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem only so
so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor. This says
nothing about OS X performance, of course.
So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means minimal threading.
>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific choices
>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be interesting
>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything to
>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples make
>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is optimized
>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking quad
>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS I can't imagine
the situation is a lot better.
So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete Leoni has
had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's benchmarking
the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that, and I chime
in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient in some
areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading, kernel
access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths" and demands
for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they just reflecty
my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would guess is very
appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware that is leaning
into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the chalkboard in
Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said, "Wow, what
a great way to destroy my database queries!" However, let's look at another
explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware. The developer
versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison to supposedly
superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4 with OS 9 on
it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is pretty but it
sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new GUI but now
that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be re-thought. The
user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite distinct, so
do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS X? I don't
have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've actually
gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly* logical
guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that they lifted
some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the current kernel
space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one or the other.
Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
TCB
>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very interesting
>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination does.
>This is all a moving target.
>
>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not open
>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
>specific statistical software he finds better performance under Linux
>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says much
>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than his
>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he should
>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although they
> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
>
>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software development
>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
>
>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very capable
>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I use
>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for server
>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video and
>graphics system-wide.
>
>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to happen.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Remember, in addition to what
>> I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and developer.
>> And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this urban
>> legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5 is
a fabulous
>> RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in kernel
>> development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly mult-threaded
>> environments.
>>
>> http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>>
>> Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does and
>> note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than the
same
>> hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>>
>> http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>>
>> Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about the
guy
>> who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel
who
>> banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the hotel
>> bathroom mirror . . .
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Thad,
>>>
>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be curious
>>
>>
>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>>>>very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>>>>there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to
make
>>>>it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty
hard
>>>>to argue against.
>>>>
>>>>What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That
could
>>>>have a lot to do with it as well.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi James,
>>>>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Morgan
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the
>>
>> slower
>>
>>>>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have
>>
>> built
>>
>>>>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>>
>>
>>>>Why
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting
to
>>>>
>>>>hear
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>about his findings.
>>>>>
>>>>>James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>>>
>>"Brandon" <lwire98@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Some of you guys use a popular distressor (hardware)
>what is a comparible software alternative?
>Thanks
I posted about a month ago, IIRC, that Voxengo's Voxformer
can get very close to a Distressor's characteristics... check it
out on their site - they have a demo you can try.
NeilYeah, that's what really speaks for the 01X--it has some pretty high end mixer
abilities. That said, as an ever more "in the box" musician I wonder how
much I'd actually use a lot of that. I used a Houston for a while and liked
it but ran into problems because a) I think Steinberg did a piss poor job
on supporting and b) it was really an SX only tool. I'd like something that
will work well with Live and not just SX and I also want something that will
let me do plug-in automation for all of those dub hits.
I'll be checking out all of the options and I'll report back what I find.
The advice was all good, though, and I appreciate it.
TCB
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote:
>Thad, if you compare features, the 01x is really a full mixer, and could
be
>more versatile, whereas the Maudio seems more limited. Not to mention that
>Yammy has a long history of making nice digital mixers and f/x etc.
>
>Bill
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43a9f162$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Thanks for all of the tips. I didn't know the options were so much more
>> varied.
>> I think I'll probably go for the M-Audio. Not too expensive, uses the
>> Mackie
>> protocol (should be more software/hardware agnostic) and very nicely is
>> from
>> the company that distributes Live so I'd guess support for my new most
>> beloved
>> app will be good. Tascam is a close second though, but thanks to everyone.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey all,
>>>
>>>I've been looking for a new audio interface, as my Aardvark Q10 has no
>>>continuing
>>>driver support. I'm kind of out of the loop these days, but a friend
>>>suggested
>>>that since I'm a SX boy and Yamaha is pimping SX as the best software
for
>>>use with mLan products, that the 01X might be a good idea.
>>>
>>>http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAM01X
>>>
>>>Any experiences, good or bad? I don't think I'd be using the mixer much,
>>>it would mostly just be an audio interface and a remote control device.
>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>
>TCB wrote:
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown to
>>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own (their
>>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's not
>>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
>
> That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous at managing
> mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use relatively few
> threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only a few threads
> and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio apps are usually
> more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation" level work,
> so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might make some
> sense.
I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous" in
real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is overstated
when it comes what I need in a studio box.
Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed with the
G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I am
keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it advances in
those areas.
> The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units on G5 chips
> are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering. So if one
> is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem only so
> so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor. This says
> nothing about OS X performance, of course.
>
> So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means minimal threading.
In these tests it would seem so.
>>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
>>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific choices
>
>
>>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be interesting
>
>
>>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything to
>>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples make
>>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is optimized
>>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking quad
>
>
>>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
>
>
> Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS I can't imagine
> the situation is a lot better.
I dunno. We can speculate.
> So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete Leoni has
> had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's benchmarking
> the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that, and I chime
> in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient in some
> areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading, kernel
> access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths" and demands
> for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they just reflecty
> my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
Not "just." You clearly explained your reasons for disliking commercial
operating systems and your reasons for liking open source. I have no
problem with that. It's a bias, but a supportable one.
> OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would guess is very
> appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware that is leaning
> into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the chalkboard in
> Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said, "Wow, what
> a great way to destroy my database queries!"
Linus is brilliant, of course.
> However, let's look at another
> explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware. The developer
> versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison to supposedly
> superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4 with OS 9 on
> it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is pretty but it
> sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new GUI but now
> that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be re-thought. The
> user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite distinct, so
> do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS X? I don't
> have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've actually
> gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly* logical
> guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that they lifted
> some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the current kernel
> space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one or the other.
>
>
> Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
Maybe. :^) If the kernel has changed for Intel, it's likely it will
change for PPC. We'll see.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
>
>>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very interesting
>>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
>>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination does.
>>This is all a moving target.
>>
>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not open
>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under Linux
>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says much
>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than his
>
>
>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he should
>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although they
>
>
>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
>>
>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software development
>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
>>
>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very capable
>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I use
>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for server
>
>
>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video and
>>graphics system-wide.
>>
>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to happen.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>Remember, in addition to what
>>
>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and developer.
>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this urban
>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5 is
>
> a fabulous
>
>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in kernel
>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly mult-threaded
>>>environments.
>>>
>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>>>
>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does and
>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than the
>
> same
>
>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>>>
>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>>>
>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about the
>
> guy
>
>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel
>
> who
>
>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the hotel
>>>bathroom mirror . . .
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hey Thad,
>>>>
>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be curious
>>>
>>>
>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>-Jamie
>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The G5 is a fine RISC chip. The core technology is also what's in most
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the supercomputer gamer consoles as well. However, many people have been
>>>>>very surprised at the penalty in performance running OS X vs the couple
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>GNU\Linux flavors available for the chip. If the reports I hear are true
>>>>>there is a lot of, erm, "optimization" that could be done in OS X to
>
> make
>
>>>>>it snappier. Why they don't is beyond me, but the evidence is pretty
>
> hard
>
>>>>>to argue against.
>>>>>
>>>>>What's the state of memory/drive technology in OS X these days? That
>
> could
>
>>>>>have a lot to do with it as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi James,
>>>>>>>Our Buddy Pete Leoni figured this one out long
>>>>>>>ago - his 3 gig Celeron running OSX totally spanked
>>>>>>>a dual G5 in a HUGE way !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Morgan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Morgan! I think I smell some B.S. I'm having a hard time believing
>>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Celeron could beat a G5, maybe an early 1.6 single processor with the
>>>
>>>slower
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>bus speed???, but I doubt it. I don't think Virginia Tech would have
>>>
>>>built
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>the 4th fastest super computer on the planet with G5s if G5 were slow.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Why
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>don't you get the guy to post here. I think it would be interesting
>
> to
>
>>>>>hear
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>about his findings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>FYI, some interesting info about Mac OSX running on a PC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_sto ry_related
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://osx86project.org/
>>>>>>>
>erlilo,
Look in the pockets of an old winter coat. Sometimes I get lucky and find
some money hiding there. Oh, by the way, it doesn't even have to be YOUR old
winter coat! ;>)
Tony
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43aba561$1@linux...
> ...and it comes with a 147$ coupong savings for earlier owners of a
> Presision UAD-plugin, to buy the rest of the Precision series... ...so,
> let me see, is there's some hided giftmoney in a secret pocket a place
> here on the little Christmas day today? Let me see, dollar one, dollar
> two, dollar three, dollar four, shit, I don't save any nickels at all, let
> me see, the eq cost 199 boxes, the new Multichannel comp. cost, what was
> it? 249$? Arghh, it will cost me about 300 boxes, so where's the saved
> $$$$ going???.... .... help me Santa Claus, do I really need this stuff
> with all the plugins I allready owns????.... ....let me see, dollar five,
> dollar six, dollar seven.....
> ....Merry Christmas to everyone!!!!....dollar eight, dollar nine, dollar
> ten, I must find some more secret pockets.......
>
> erlilo
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
> news:43ab38e8@linux...
>> Just got off the phone with Tom Freemen over at UA. The new 4.1 software
>> should be up for DL in a couple of hours.
>>
>> This multiband slloks like it is going a bit beyond the usual crop of
>> multiband plugins and may actually be pretty useful. I sometimes use
>> multibands on bass but haven't really found any plugins ththat float my
>> boat
>> for use on the mix bus (if it's my mix, I'd rather re-mix than use a
>> multiband) but this might actually be a sueful tool for outside work tat
>> can't be remixed.
>>
>> I'm going to give the demo a twirl.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>
>No Mac version??? Poopy! ;>)
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43ab3cd5$1@linux...
> http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix_feat.html
>
> This is absolutely the coolest thing since sliced bread. I've got it
> happening right now using BDF as the sound engine, but it also has a very
> good sounding sample set of it's own and or can be used with DFH as well.
> Mic Cross turned me on to this about a week ago and I have become obsessed
> with it.
>
> ;oP
>
>Hi people, and Happy Holidays to one and all...
Sort of OT -- I have a dual-boot set-up on my non-Paris computer, with
a 98SE partition just so I can run my older version of Wavelab
(3.1)... 2nd partition is XP for Cubase SX3.
I've had a problem with Wavelab "seeing" the cd drive -- it can read
from it no problem, but if I try to write I get an empty drop-down in
the "connected devices" box -- no joy.
Anyway, yesterday I was messing around, trying to load updated drivers
for that drive on the 98 partition -- and now I've managed to "lose"
that drive completely for that OS -- Device Manager doesn't list it
--it's gone... All is well on the XP partition...
Is this going need a re-load of 98? Would like to keep this thing
going, just to avoid spending the money to upgrade Wavelab to an
XP-friendly flavor (and don't want to pay for DVD and surround
features I have no use for)...
thanks in advance for any advice -- chasJamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown to
>>>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own (their
>>>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's not
>>>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
>>
>> That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous at managing
>> mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use relatively few
>> threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only a few
threads
>> and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio apps are
usually
>> more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation" level
work,
>> so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might make
some
>> sense.
>
>I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
>performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous" in
>real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is overstated
>when it comes what I need in a studio box.
>
>Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed with the
>G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
>
>However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I am
>keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it advances in
>those areas.
OK, so now we've gone from accusing me of peddling urban legend to arguing
that your Mac works for you, becuase I provided precisely the proof for which
you asked. That's like me saying your car has an inefficient engine, you
telling me I'm full of it, me showing you, and then you arguing that it gets
you to and from work. Fine, your Mac gets done what you want it to, which
has nothing to do with the question that was originally posed.
>
>> The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units on G5 chips
>> are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering. So if one
>> is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem only
so
>> so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor. This says
>> nothing about OS X performance, of course.
>>
>> So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means minimal threading.
>
>In these tests it would seem so.
>
>
>>>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
>>>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific choices
>>
>>
>>>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be interesting
>>
>>
>>>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything to
>>>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples make
>>>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is optimized
>>>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking quad
>>
>>
>>>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
>>
>>
>> Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS I can't
imagine
>> the situation is a lot better.
>
>I dunno. We can speculate.
>
>
>> So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete Leoni has
>> had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's benchmarking
>> the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that, and I
chime
>> in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient in some
>> areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading, kernel
>> access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths" and demands
>> for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they just reflecty
>> my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
>
>Not "just." You clearly explained your reasons for disliking commercial
>operating systems and your reasons for liking open source. I have no
>problem with that. It's a bias, but a supportable one.
Well, my bias doesn't make OS X perform 1/10th as well as Yellow Dog using
the same hardware when crunching MySQL queries that spawn more than 40 threads
or so. OS X does that all on its own.
>
>> OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would guess is
very
>> appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware that is leaning
>> into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the chalkboard
in
>> Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said, "Wow, what
>> a great way to destroy my database queries!"
>
>Linus is brilliant, of course.
>
>
> > However, let's look at another
>> explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware. The developer
>> versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison to supposedly
>> superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4 with OS
9 on
>> it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is pretty but
it
>> sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new GUI but
now
>> that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be re-thought.
The
>> user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite distinct,
so
>> do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS X? I don't
>> have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've actually
>> gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly* logical
>> guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that they
lifted
>> some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the current
kernel
>> space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one or the other.
>>
>>
>> Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
>
>Maybe. :^) If the kernel has changed for Intel, it's likely it will
>change for PPC. We'll see.
Why is that likely? Why would Apple tell all of their PPC users that they've
been sucking up CPU cycles all of these years by using faulty kernel technology?
Why would they spend time on the kernel space of an operating system they've
already decided to drop in the end? Why not just talk about how "optimized"
the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
TCB
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> TCB
>>
>>
>>>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very interesting
>>>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
>>>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination does.
>>>This is all a moving target.
>>>
>>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not open
>>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
>>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under Linux
>>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says much
>>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than his
>>
>>
>>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he should
>>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although they
>>
>>
>>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
>>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
>>>
>>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
>>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software development
>>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
>>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
>>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
>>>
>>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very capable
>>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I use
>>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for server
>>
>>
>>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video and
>>>graphics system-wide.
>>>
>>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to happen.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Remember, in addition to what
>>>
>>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and developer.
>>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this urban
>>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5 is
>>
>> a fabulous
>>
>>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in kernel
>>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly mult-threaded
>>>>environments.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>>>>
>>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does
and
>>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than the
>>
>> same
>>
>>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>>>>
>>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>>>>
>>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about the
>>
>> guy
>>
>>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel
>>
>> who
>>
>>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the
hotel
>>>>bathroom mirror . . .
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hey Thad,
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be curious
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.comIf Wavelab doesn't see the drive, then it means that Wavelab doesn't
support that drive.
Make sure you have the latest CD drivers:
ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Hardware/CD_DVD_Recorder_Up dates/Pc/
David.
Chas. Duncan wrote:
> Hi people, and Happy Holidays to one and all...
>
> Sort of OT -- I have a dual-boot set-up on my non-Paris computer, with
> a 98SE partition just so I can run my older version of Wavelab
> (3.1)... 2nd partition is XP for Cubase SX3.
>
> I've had a problem with Wavelab "seeing" the cd drive -- it can read
> from it no problem, but if I try to write I get an empty drop-down in
> the "connected devices" box -- no joy.
>
> Anyway, yesterday I was messing around, trying to load updated drivers
> for that drive on the 98 partition -- and now I've managed to "lose"
> that drive completely for that OS -- Device Manager doesn't list it
> --it's gone... All is well on the XP partition...
>
> Is this going need a re-load of 98? Would like to keep this thing
> going, just to avoid spending the money to upgrade Wavelab to an
> XP-friendly flavor (and don't want to pay for DVD and surround
> features I have no use for)...
>
> thanks in advance for any advice -- chas
>He, he, Tony.
It is winter here now, so it was the wintercoats where I was trying to find
something, both old and the new one. Now where is my summer clothes?-o)
Erling
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> skrev i melding
news:43ac3714@linux...
> erlilo,
>
> Look in the pockets of an old winter coat. Sometimes I get lucky and find
> some money hiding there. Oh, by the way, it doesn't even have to be YOUR
> old winter coat! ;>)
>
> Tony
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43aba561$1@linux...
>> ...and it comes with a 147$ coupong savings for earlier owners of a
>> Presision UAD-plugin, to buy the rest of the Precision series... ...so,
>> let me see, is there's some hided giftmoney in a secret pocket a place
>> here on the little Christmas day today? Let me see, dollar one, dollar
>> two, dollar three, dollar four, shit, I don't save any nickels at all,
>> let me see, the eq cost 199 boxes, the new Multichannel comp. cost, what
>> was it? 249$? Arghh, it will cost me about 300 boxes, so where's the
>> saved $$$$ going???.... .... help me Santa Claus, do I really need this
>> stuff with all the plugins I allready owns????.... ....let me see, dollar
>> five, dollar six, dollar seven.....
>> ....Merry Christmas to everyone!!!!....dollar eight, dollar nine, dollar
>> ten, I must find some more secret pockets.......
>>
>> erlilo
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
>> news:43ab38e8@linux...
>>> Just got off the phone with Tom Freemen over at UA. The new 4.1 software
>>> should be up for DL in a couple of hours.
>>>
>>> This multiband slloks like it is going a bit beyond the usual crop of
>>> multiband plugins and may actually be pretty useful. I sometimes use
>>> multibands on bass but haven't really found any plugins ththat float my
>>> boat
>>> for use on the mix bus (if it's my mix, I'd rather re-mix than use a
>>> multiband) but this might actually be a sueful tool for outside work tat
>>> can't be remixed.
>>>
>>> I'm going to give the demo a twirl.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>If you go here you can update the CD/DVD recorder in Wavelab:
http://www.steinberg.de/DocSupportDisplay_sbc88b.html?templ= &doclink=/webvideo/Steinberg/support/doc/updates_applica tions_pro_pc_en.html&Langue_ID=&Product_ID=
Have you tried to find the CD burner again in "Find new hardware" in the
Control Panel "?
Erling
"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> skrev i melding
news:mueoq1lgph2loia7qtui0qef54bn53m3r4@4ax.com...
> Hi people, and Happy Holidays to one and all...
>
> Sort of OT -- I have a dual-boot set-up on my non-Paris computer, with
> a 98SE partition just so I can run my older version of Wavelab
> (3.1)... 2nd partition is XP for Cubase SX3.
>
> I've had a problem with Wavelab "seeing" the cd drive -- it can read
> from it no problem, but if I try to write I get an empty drop-down in
> the "connected devices" box -- no joy.
>
> Anyway, yesterday I was messing around, trying to load updated drivers
> for that drive on the 98 partition -- and now I've managed to "lose"
> that drive completely for that OS -- Device Manager doesn't list it
> --it's gone... All is well on the XP partition...
>
> Is this going need a re-load of 98? Would like to keep this thing
> going, just to avoid spending the money to upgrade Wavelab to an
> XP-friendly flavor (and don't want to pay for DVD and surround
> features I have no use for)...
>
> thanks in advance for any advice -- chas
>>Why not just talk about how "optimized"
the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
........which is exactly the plan.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac40b4$1@linux...
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >
> >TCB wrote:
> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown to
>
> >>>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own (their
>
> >>>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's not
>
> >>>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
> >>
> >> That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous at
managing
> >> mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use relatively
few
> >> threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only a few
> threads
> >> and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio apps are
> usually
> >> more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation" level
> work,
> >> so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might make
> some
> >> sense.
> >
> >I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
> >performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous" in
> >real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is overstated
>
> >when it comes what I need in a studio box.
> >
> >Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed with the
>
> >G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
> >
> >However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I am
> >keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it advances in
>
> >those areas.
>
> OK, so now we've gone from accusing me of peddling urban legend to arguing
> that your Mac works for you, becuase I provided precisely the proof for
which
> you asked. That's like me saying your car has an inefficient engine, you
> telling me I'm full of it, me showing you, and then you arguing that it
gets
> you to and from work. Fine, your Mac gets done what you want it to, which
> has nothing to do with the question that was originally posed.
>
> >
> >> The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units on G5
chips
> >> are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering. So if
one
> >> is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem only
> so
> >> so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor. This
says
> >> nothing about OS X performance, of course.
> >>
> >> So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means minimal
threading.
> >
> >In these tests it would seem so.
> >
> >
> >>>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
> >>>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific
choices
> >>
> >>
> >>>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be
interesting
> >>
> >>
> >>>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything to
> >>>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples make
>
> >>>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is optimized
>
> >>>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking quad
> >>
> >>
> >>>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS I can't
> imagine
> >> the situation is a lot better.
> >
> >I dunno. We can speculate.
> >
> >
> >> So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete Leoni
has
> >> had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's
benchmarking
> >> the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that, and I
> chime
> >> in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient in
some
> >> areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading,
kernel
> >> access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths" and
demands
> >> for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they just
reflecty
> >> my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
> >
> >Not "just." You clearly explained your reasons for disliking commercial
>
> >operating systems and your reasons for liking open source. I have no
> >problem with that. It's a bias, but a supportable one.
>
> Well, my bias doesn't make OS X perform 1/10th as well as Yellow Dog using
> the same hardware when crunching MySQL queries that spawn more than 40
threads
> or so. OS X does that all on its own.
>
> >
> >> OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would guess is
> very
> >> appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware that is
leaning
> >> into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the chalkboard
> in
> >> Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said, "Wow,
what
> >> a great way to destroy my database queries!"
> >
> >Linus is brilliant, of course.
> >
> >
> > > However, let's look at another
> >> explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware. The
developer
> >> versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison to
supposedly
> >> superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4 with OS
> 9 on
> >> it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is pretty but
> it
> >> sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new GUI but
> now
> >> that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be re-thought.
> The
> >> user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite distinct,
> so
> >> do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS X? I
don't
> >> have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've
actually
> >> gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly*
logical
> >> guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that they
> lifted
> >> some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the current
> kernel
> >> space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one or the
other.
> >>
> >>
> >> Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
> >
> >Maybe. :^) If the kernel has changed for Intel, it's likely it will
> >change for PPC. We'll see.
>
> Why is that likely? Why would Apple tell all of their PPC users that
they've
> been sucking up CPU cycles all of these years by using faulty kernel
technology?
> Why would they spend time on the kernel space of an operating system
they've
> already decided to drop in the end? Why not just talk about how
"optimized"
> the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
>
> TCB
>
> >Cheers,
> > -Jamie
> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >
> >
> >> TCB
> >>
> >>
> >>>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very interesting
>
> >>>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
> >>>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination does.
>
> >>>This is all a moving target.
> >>>
> >>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not open
>
> >>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
> >>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under Linux
>
> >>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says much
>
> >>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than
his
> >>
> >>
> >>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he should
>
> >>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although they
> >>
> >>
> >>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
> >>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
> >>>
> >>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
> >>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software development
>
> >>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
> >>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
> >>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
> >>>
> >>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very capable
>
> >>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I use
>
> >>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for
server
> >>
> >>
> >>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video and
>
> >>>graphics system-wide.
> >>>
> >>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to happen.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>> -Jamie
> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Remember, in addition to what
> >>>
> >>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and
developer.
> >>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this
urban
> >>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5 is
> >>
> >> a fabulous
> >>
> >>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in
kernel
> >>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly
mult-threaded
> >>>>environments.
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
> >>>>
> >>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does
> and
> >>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than
the
> >>
> >> same
> >>
> >>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
> >>>>
> >>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
> >>>>
> >>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about the
> >>
> >> guy
> >>
> >>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel
> >>
> >> who
> >>
> >>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the
> hotel
> >>>>bathroom mirror . . .
> >>>>
> >>>>TCB
> >>>>
> >>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hey Thad,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be
curious
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>-Jamie
> >>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>TCB wrote:
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
>>performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous" in
>>real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is overstated
>
>>when it comes what I need in a studio box.
>>Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed with the
>>G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
>>
>>However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I am
>>keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it advances in
>>those areas.
>
>
> OK, so now we've gone from accusing me of peddling urban legend to arguing
> that your Mac works for you, becuase I provided precisely the proof for which
> you asked. That's like me saying your car has an inefficient engine, you
> telling me I'm full of it, me showing you, and then you arguing that it gets
> you to and from work. Fine, your Mac gets done what you want it to, which
> has nothing to do with the question that was originally posed.
Thanks for sharing the links, Thad. Your original post did sound to me
like potential urban legend and you didn't post any supporting links
until asked. Now that you have, thanks.
I read them and they very clearly criticized OSX 10.4.1 for specific
shortfalls as a multi-threading server, as well as for not being open
source. However one does give thumbs up to OSX/G5 for workstation apps,
especially when altivec is brought into the picture. Fair enough on the
criticism, looks like room to improve. Fair enough on the altivec thing
also, that's a nice punch for PPC and we'll have to see what happens
with that on Intel.
No offense intended when I report how the dual 2.5GHZ G5 system works
out for media production here. It's pertinent info since that's what
most of us do with computers on this forum, particularly audio apps. And
if the inference is that a multi-threading problem disqualifies the Mac
for media production, I think it's fair to report that the dual G5 with
OSX 10.4.3 is doing very well as a media production machine overall,
from my experience. Which is not to say there aren't a few pesky bugs in
some of the apps, nothing's perfect yet unfortunately. Updates are
frequent and almost automatic which is heartening.
I have, BTW, offered criticisms of Apple in this forum. On the flip side
it doesn't seem that the threading issue you raise is by any means
crippling the machine I use for the things it does around here. So in in
that context, "disastrous" seems to be overstating the case.
As well, I am all for open source. I'm all for well integrated systems
where all components and software are well matched and work well
together (engine, wheels, controls, everything). And I dig strong media
production software.
Linux is getting closer on the media front but is not there yet, as
you've pointed out. Faster multi-threading seems like a good thing, and
the media software continues to improve. At some point it will all be
there on Linux. It seems inevitable, and that's great.
Right now it _is_ there on OSX...apparently despite any shortfalls in
multithreading that may hold some applications back, such as heavy
lifting server applications. You may want to investigate and appreciate
the core media support built into OSX, pretty cool.
Nothing's perfect, Linux is cool and constantly improving, OSX is cool
and also constantly improving, but not open source. So there it is.
OSX lets me get the work I
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| Re: Bizzare_assertion_fail_problem_any_insight? [message #60867 is a reply to message #60865] |
Fri, 02 December 2005 11:29 |
Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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This is all a moving target.
>> >>>
>> >>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not open
>>
>> >>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
>> >>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under Linux
>>
>> >>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says much
>>
>> >>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than
>his
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he should
>>
>> >>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although
they
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
>> >>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
>> >>>
>> >>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
>> >>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software development
>>
>> >>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
>> >>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
>> >>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
>> >>>
>> >>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very capable
>>
>> >>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I use
>>
>> >>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for
>server
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video and
>>
>> >>>graphics system-wide.
>> >>>
>> >>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to happen.
>> >>>
>> >>>Cheers,
>> >>> -Jamie
>> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Remember, in addition to what
>> >>>
>> >>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and
>developer.
>> >>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this
>urban
>> >>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5
is
>> >>
>> >> a fabulous
>> >>
>> >>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in
>kernel
>> >>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly
>mult-threaded
>> >>>>environments.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel does
>> and
>> >>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than
>the
>> >>
>> >> same
>> >>
>> >>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about
the
>> >>
>> >> guy
>> >>
>> >>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the supermodel
>> >>
>> >> who
>> >>
>> >>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on the
>> hotel
>> >>>>bathroom mirror . . .
>> >>>>
>> >>>>TCB
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Hey Thad,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be
>curious
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Cheers,
>> >>>>>-Jamie
>> >>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
>I have been tempted for a while to start educating myself myself about
Linux. i had sort of put that on the shelf and moved on ot other things.
After reading Thad's posts, I'm once again interested and I just happen to
have about 90% of the components here to build another DAW. All I need is a
CDR, Floppy and PSU and I'm there.
I may just jump into this.
;o)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43ac68e1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>Why not just talk about how "optimized"
> >the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
> >
> >.......which is exactly the plan.
> >
> >;o)
>
> Apple's game is to sell you obsolescence so you will have to buy the next
> box, but that is everybody's game not just apple. Job promised a G5
PowerBook
> to be available a year ago July, IBM dropped the ball. IBM couldn't
deliver
> a cool enough G5 to put in a lap top, they were also supposed to deliver
> a G5 3Ghz+ at the same time. IBM still has not been able to pull either
> off as of yet. That is why Apple went to a quad processor to stay on top.
> Apple had no good choice, but to exercise their option to go with Intel
> chips. I for one welcome the idea of a cheaper, possibly faster, more
upgradeable
> Mac. However, I don't believe they will be all that much cheaper. My
guess
> is only 10-15% cheaper.
>
> I hope they open it up to AMD also, but I doubt it. As for OSX running
faster
> on an Intel chip, I hope it does! I'd still like to see some fair and
balanced
> tests showing a 3Ghz Celeron running OSX, and being able to smoke a G5.
>
>
> James
>
>
> >
> >
> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac40b4$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >TCB wrote:
> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >>>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown
> to
> >>
> >> >>>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own
(their
> >>
> >> >>>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's
> not
> >>
> >> >>>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous at
> >managing
> >> >> mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use relatively
> >few
> >> >> threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only a
few
> >> threads
> >> >> and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio apps
> are
> >> usually
> >> >> more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation"
level
> >> work,
> >> >> so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might
make
> >> some
> >> >> sense.
> >> >
> >> >I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
> >> >performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous" in
> >> >real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is
overstated
> >>
> >> >when it comes what I need in a studio box.
> >> >
> >> >Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed with
the
> >>
> >> >G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
> >> >
> >> >However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I am
> >> >keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it advances
> in
> >>
> >> >those areas.
> >>
> >> OK, so now we've gone from accusing me of peddling urban legend to
arguing
> >> that your Mac works for you, becuase I provided precisely the proof for
> >which
> >> you asked. That's like me saying your car has an inefficient engine,
you
> >> telling me I'm full of it, me showing you, and then you arguing that it
> >gets
> >> you to and from work. Fine, your Mac gets done what you want it to,
which
> >> has nothing to do with the question that was originally posed.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units on G5
> >chips
> >> >> are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering. So if
> >one
> >> >> is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem
only
> >> so
> >> >> so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor. This
> >says
> >> >> nothing about OS X performance, of course.
> >> >>
> >> >> So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means minimal
> >threading.
> >> >
> >> >In these tests it would seem so.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
> >> >>>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific
> >choices
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be
> >interesting
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything to
> >> >>>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples
make
> >>
> >> >>>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is
optimized
> >>
> >> >>>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking
> quad
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS I
can't
> >> imagine
> >> >> the situation is a lot better.
> >> >
> >> >I dunno. We can speculate.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete Leoni
> >has
> >> >> had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's
> >benchmarking
> >> >> the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that, and
> I
> >> chime
> >> >> in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient in
> >some
> >> >> areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading,
> >kernel
> >> >> access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths" and
> >demands
> >> >> for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they just
> >reflecty
> >> >> my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
> >> >
> >> >Not "just." You clearly explained your reasons for disliking
commercial
> >>
> >> >operating systems and your reasons for liking open source. I have no
> >> >problem with that. It's a bias, but a supportable one.
> >>
> >> Well, my bias doesn't make OS X perform 1/10th as well as Yellow Dog
using
> >> the same hardware when crunching MySQL queries that spawn more than 40
> >threads
> >> or so. OS X does that all on its own.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would guess
> is
> >> very
> >> >> appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware that is
> >leaning
> >> >> into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the
chalkboard
> >> in
> >> >> Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said, "Wow,
> >what
> >> >> a great way to destroy my database queries!"
> >> >
> >> >Linus is brilliant, of course.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > However, let's look at another
> >> >> explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware. The
> >developer
> >> >> versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison to
> >supposedly
> >> >> superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4 with
> OS
> >> 9 on
> >> >> it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is pretty
> but
> >> it
> >> >> sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new GUI
but
> >> now
> >> >> that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be
re-thought.
> >> The
> >> >> user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite
distinct,
> >> so
> >> >> do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS X? I
> >don't
> >> >> have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've
> >actually
> >> >> gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly*
> >logical
> >> >> guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that
they
> >> lifted
> >> >> some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the
current
> >> kernel
> >> >> space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one or the
> >other.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
> >> >
> >> >Maybe. :^) If the kernel has changed for Intel, it's likely it will
> >> >change for PPC. We'll see.
> >>
> >> Why is that likely? Why would Apple tell all of their PPC users that
> >they've
> >> been sucking up CPU cycles all of these years by using faulty kernel
> >technology?
> >> Why would they spend time on the kernel space of an operating system
> >they've
> >> already decided to drop in the end? Why not just talk about how
> >"optimized"
> >> the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
> >>
> >> TCB
> >>
> >> >Cheers,
> >> > -Jamie
> >> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> TCB
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very
interesting
> >>
> >> >>>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
> >> >>>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination
does.
> >>
> >> >>>This is all a moving target.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not
open
> >>
> >> >>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
> >> >>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under
Linux
> >>
> >> >>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says
much
> >>
> >> >>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other than
> >his
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he
should
> >>
> >> >>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although
> they
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
> >> >>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use for
> >> >>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software
development
> >>
> >> >>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
> >> >>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step by
> >> >>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very
capable
> >>
> >> >>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box I
use
> >>
> >> >>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for
> >server
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video
and
> >>
> >> >>>graphics system-wide.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to
happen.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Cheers,
> >> >>> -Jamie
> >> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Remember, in addition to what
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin and
> >developer.
> >> >>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this
> >urban
> >> >>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the G5
> is
> >> >>
> >> >> a fabulous
> >> >>
> >> >>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made in
> >kernel
> >> >>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly
> >mult-threaded
> >> >>>>environments.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel
does
> >> and
> >> >>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower than
> >the
> >> >>
> >> >> same
> >> >>
> >> >>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about
> the
> >> >>
> >> >> guy
> >> >>
> >> >>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the
supermodel
> >> >>
> >> >> who
> >> >>
> >> >>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on
the
> >> hotel
> >> >>>>bathroom mirror . . .
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>TCB
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Hey Thad,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be
> >curious
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Cheers,
> >> >>>>>-Jamie
> >> >>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>
> >
> >Erling -- thanks -- yes I tried the "new hardware" idea... Windows
didn't see it... Not sure what my next move is...
Also -- thanks for the Steinberg link -- that was the first thing I
tried though... Didn't work (or: I did something wrong -- always a
strong possibility). Anyway -- my problem now is the larger one that
I've managed to "lose" the cd drive entirely -- at least as far as my
98 partition is concerned...
Any other thoughts? thanks again -- Chas.
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:51:50 +0100, "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>If you go here you can update the CD/DVD recorder in Wavelab:
> http://www.steinberg.de/DocSupportDisplay_sbc88b.html?templ= &doclink=/webvideo/Steinberg/support/doc/updates_applica tions_pro_pc_en.html&Langue_ID=&Product_ID=
>
>Have you tried to find the CD burner again in "Find new hardware" in the
>Control Panel "?
>
>Erling
>
>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> skrev i melding
>news:mueoq1lgph2loia7qtui0qef54bn53m3r4@4ax.com...
>> Hi people, and Happy Holidays to one and all...
>>
>> Sort of OT -- I have a dual-boot set-up on my non-Paris computer, with
>> a 98SE partition just so I can run my older version of Wavelab
>> (3.1)... 2nd partition is XP for Cubase SX3.
>>
>> I've had a problem with Wavelab "seeing" the cd drive -- it can read
>> from it no problem, but if I try to write I get an empty drop-down in
>> the "connected devices" box -- no joy.
>>
>> Anyway, yesterday I was messing around, trying to load updated drivers
>> for that drive on the 98 partition -- and now I've managed to "lose"
>> that drive completely for that OS -- Device Manager doesn't list it
>> --it's gone... All is well on the XP partition...
>>
>> Is this going need a re-load of 98? Would like to keep this thing
>> going, just to avoid spending the money to upgrade Wavelab to an
>> XP-friendly flavor (and don't want to pay for DVD and surround
>> features I have no use for)...
>>
>> thanks in advance for any advice -- chas
>>
>Gee that does look interesting. And only $79?
So how does it jam with you? I assume it listens to you somehow. Does it
take sound inputs, or MIDI or what?
I really should download the demo... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix_feat.html
>
>This is absolutely the coolest thing since sliced bread. I've got it
>happening right now using BDF as the sound engine, but it also has a very
>good sounding sample set of it's own and or can be used with DFH as well.
>Mic Cross turned me on to this about a week ago and I have become obsessed
>with it.
>
>;oP
>
>Hey Deej,
Remember, for media production GNU\Linux is probably a non-starter. The 2D
graphic design is getting pretty good, basic video editing is also improving
notably, but all of the proprietary stuff that makes the audio world go 'round
(VST, ASIO, DX, Audio Units, etc.) is not there and won't be for a very long
time, if ever. But for the daily tasks that many computers do, web browsing,
emailing, writing, spreadsheets, and so on, GNU\Linux is not only there it's
BETTER than the proprietary options. OpenOffice.org is, in my opinion, a
notable improvement over any proprietary office suite out there. Evolution
is a superb email/contact/scheduling app that will sync nicely to Palm devices.
I work in an Outlook/Exchange centric office so I can't use it for work,
but all of the super hip Google Desktop "index my 2GB inbox for me so I can
do complex searches in two seconds" stuff has been in Evolution for years.
Then, on top of all of that "desktop" stuff, a basic Debian install will
also include PostgreSQL (enterprise class database), Apache (#1 web server
in the world), Perl/Python/PHP programming languages, an elegant and powerful
shell, enterprise class firewall/router tools, and about fifty thousand other
cool things that will allow you to take control over your computing world
in a way that you might never have before. You know those moments when you
think, "Crikey, I wish every time I booted the machine I didn't have to click
these same four boxes and start these same two apps." One quick shell script
and you'll never have to touch it again.
The downside is that nobody is OBLIGATED to help you with computer problems.
I'll personally volunteer to do whatever I can to help you out if you'll
give a swing, but leaving Big Brother (be he Jobs or Gates) means none of
His underlings work on official help lines. If you want to get your first
taste (like most drugs the first taste is free, but unlike most drugs so
are all of the subsequent tastes) check out http://www.knoppix.org/ and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
for some live CDs. Live CDs are great because you boot off the CD and can
take a look at what these distros are about. Knoppix is a great resource
even as an XP rescue CD and includes a very nicely implemented KDE desktop,
while Ubuntu is a great beginners distrobution that includes "Gnome done
right" and is very good about managing slightly funky video drivers. You
can try either without touching your base OS install to get an idea what
using GNU\Linux will be like. Both Knoppix and Ubuntu are Debian based, so
my knowledge will be fairly useful if you run into problems.
The final downside is that once you're really in control of your computer
you won't ever want to use a proprietary OS again, ever. It will infuriate
you that someone else thinks he/she can tell you how an application should
run. You have been warned . . .
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I have been tempted for a while to start educating myself myself about
>Linux. i had sort of put that on the shelf and moved on ot other things.
>After reading Thad's posts, I'm once again interested and I just happen
to
>have about 90% of the components here to build another DAW. All I need is
a
>CDR, Floppy and PSU and I'm there.
>
>I may just jump into this.
>
>;o)
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43ac68e1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>Why not just talk about how "optimized"
>> >the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
>> >
>> >.......which is exactly the plan.
>> >
>> >;o)
>>
>> Apple's game is to sell you obsolescence so you will have to buy the next
>> box, but that is everybody's game not just apple. Job promised a G5
>PowerBook
>> to be available a year ago July, IBM dropped the ball. IBM couldn't
>deliver
>> a cool enough G5 to put in a lap top, they were also supposed to deliver
>> a G5 3Ghz+ at the same time. IBM still has not been able to pull either
>> off as of yet. That is why Apple went to a quad processor to stay on
top.
>> Apple had no good choice, but to exercise their option to go with Intel
>> chips. I for one welcome the idea of a cheaper, possibly faster, more
>upgradeable
>> Mac. However, I don't believe they will be all that much cheaper. My
>guess
>> is only 10-15% cheaper.
>>
>> I hope they open it up to AMD also, but I doubt it. As for OSX running
>faster
>> on an Intel chip, I hope it does! I'd still like to see some fair and
>balanced
>> tests showing a 3Ghz Celeron running OSX, and being able to smoke a G5.
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac40b4$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >TCB wrote:
>> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is shown
>> to
>> >>
>> >> >>>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own
>(their
>> >>
>> >> >>>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but that's
>> not
>> >>
>> >> >>>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous at
>> >managing
>> >> >> mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use relatively
>> >few
>> >> >> threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only
a
>few
>> >> threads
>> >> >> and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio apps
>> are
>> >> usually
>> >> >> more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation"
>level
>> >> work,
>> >> >> so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might
>make
>> >> some
>> >> >> sense.
>> >> >
>> >> >I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
>> >> >performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous"
in
>> >> >real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is
>overstated
>> >>
>> >> >when it comes what I need in a studio box.
>> >> >
>> >> >Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed with
>the
>> >>
>> >> >G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
>> >> >
>> >> >However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I am
>> >> >keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it advances
>> in
>> >>
>> >> >those areas.
>> >>
>> >> OK, so now we've gone from accusing me of peddling urban legend to
>arguing
>> >> that your Mac works for you, becuase I provided precisely the proof
for
>> >which
>> >> you asked. That's like me saying your car has an inefficient engine,
>you
>> >> telling me I'm full of it, me showing you, and then you arguing that
it
>> >gets
>> >> you to and from work. Fine, your Mac gets done what you want it to,
>which
>> >> has nothing to do with the question that was originally posed.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units on
G5
>> >chips
>> >> >> are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering. So
if
>> >one
>> >> >> is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem
>only
>> >> so
>> >> >> so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor. This
>> >says
>> >> >> nothing about OS X performance, of course.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means minimal
>> >threading.
>> >> >
>> >> >In these tests it would seem so.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
>> >> >>>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific
>> >choices
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be
>> >interesting
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything
to
>> >> >>>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples
>make
>> >>
>> >> >>>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is
>optimized
>> >>
>> >> >>>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not talking
>> quad
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS I
>can't
>> >> imagine
>> >> >> the situation is a lot better.
>> >> >
>> >> >I dunno. We can speculate.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete Leoni
>> >has
>> >> >> had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's
>> >benchmarking
>> >> >> the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that,
and
>> I
>> >> chime
>> >> >> in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient
in
>> >some
>> >> >> areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading,
>> >kernel
>> >> >> access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths" and
>> >demands
>> >> >> for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they
just
>> >reflecty
>> >> >> my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
>> >> >
>> >> >Not "just." You clearly explained your reasons for disliking
>commercial
>> >>
>> >> >operating systems and your reasons for liking open source. I have
no
>> >> >problem with that. It's a bias, but a supportable one.
>> >>
>> >> Well, my bias doesn't make OS X perform 1/10th as well as Yellow Dog
>using
>> >> the same hardware when crunching MySQL queries that spawn more than
40
>> >threads
>> >> or so. OS X does that all on its own.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would guess
>> is
>> >> very
>> >> >> appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware that
is
>> >leaning
>> >> >> into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the
>chalkboard
>> >> in
>> >> >> Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said, "Wow,
>> >what
>> >> >> a great way to destroy my database queries!"
>> >> >
>> >> >Linus is brilliant, of course.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > However, let's look at another
>> >> >> explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware. The
>> >developer
>> >> >> versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison
to
>> >supposedly
>> >> >> superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4 with
>> OS
>> >> 9 on
>> >> >> it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is pretty
>> but
>> >> it
>> >> >> sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new GUI
>but
>> >> now
>> >> >> that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be
>re-thought.
>> >> The
>> >> >> user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite
>distinct,
>> >> so
>> >> >> do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS X?
I
>> >don't
>> >> >> have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've
>> >actually
>> >> >> gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly*
>> >logical
>> >> >> guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that
>they
>> >> lifted
>> >> >> some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the
>current
>> >> kernel
>> >> >> space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one or
the
>> >other.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
>> >> >
>> >> >Maybe. :^) If the kernel has changed for Intel, it's likely it will
>> >> >change for PPC. We'll see.
>> >>
>> >> Why is that likely? Why would Apple tell all of their PPC users that
>> >they've
>> >> been sucking up CPU cycles all of these years by using faulty kernel
>> >technology?
>> >> Why would they spend time on the kernel space of an operating system
>> >they've
>> >> already decided to drop in the end? Why not just talk about how
>> >"optimized"
>> >> the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
>> >>
>> >> TCB
>> >>
>> >> >Cheers,
>> >> > -Jamie
>> >> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> TCB
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very
>interesting
>> >>
>> >> >>>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
>> >> >>>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination
>does.
>> >>
>> >> >>>This is all a moving target.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not
>open
>> >>
>> >> >>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
>> >> >>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under
>Linux
>> >>
>> >> >>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says
>much
>> >>
>> >> >>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other
than
>> >his
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he
>should
>> >>
>> >> >>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine - although
>> they
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one rocks).
>> >> >>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use
for
>> >> >>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software
>development
>> >>
>> >> >>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
>> >> >>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step
by
>> >> >>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very
>capable
>> >>
>> >> >>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box
I
>use
>> >>
>> >> >>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for
>> >server
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video
>and
>> >>
>> >> >>>graphics system-wide.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to
>happen.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Cheers,
>> >> >>> -Jamie
>> >> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Remember, in addition to what
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin
and
>> >developer.
>> >> >>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about this
>> >urban
>> >> >>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the
G5
>> is
>> >> >>
>> >> >> a fabulous
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made
in
>> >kernel
>> >> >>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly
>> >mult-threaded
>> >> >>>>environments.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel
>does
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower
than
>> >the
>> >> >>
>> >> >> same
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and about
>> the
>> >> >>
>> >> >> guy
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the
>supermodel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> who
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on
>the
>> >> hotel
>> >> >>>>bathroom mirror . . .
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>TCB
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>Hey Thad,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be
>> >curious
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Cheers,
>> >> >>>>>-Jamie
>> >> >>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this weekend
and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday night. If
not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's not the PC
thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the
spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels, show
respect, and cherish the people you love.
Peace,
TonyIt will infuriate
> you that someone else thinks he/she can tell you how an application should
> run.
It already does.
> You have been warned . . .
>
I'll take that as an encouragement ;o). It may be a couple of weeks before I
can come up for air, but I've always wanted to get into this stuff. Also,
it's interesting about Ubuntu. I have a studio client whose nomme de guerre
is Ubuntu. She is very savvy and actually, now that I think of it the
project she left here last year on a bunch of CD's was tracked up in your
neighborhood on a DP system and she wanted to do some dubs here then remix
the whole project. Then Bush was reelected and she totally wigged and moved
to Kauai. I think she's into Linux'esque stuff quite a bit. Her dad is my
dentist here and told me the other day that she's coming back to town (today
or tomorrow) and wants to do some more work in the studio. I sold her my
Ensoniq MR76 before she split and she had it shipped over to the islands so
she's likely to have a bunch of midi songs to import into my MR Rack. I'll
see if she will give me some Linux pointers between Christmas and the middle
of January.
Cheers,
Deej
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac8714$1@linux...
>
> Hey Deej,
>
> Remember, for media production GNU\Linux is probably a non-starter. The 2D
> graphic design is getting pretty good, basic video editing is also
improving
> notably, but all of the proprietary stuff that makes the audio world go
'round
> (VST, ASIO, DX, Audio Units, etc.) is not there and won't be for a very
long
> time, if ever. But for the daily tasks that many computers do, web
browsing,
> emailing, writing, spreadsheets, and so on, GNU\Linux is not only there
it's
> BETTER than the proprietary options. OpenOffice.org is, in my opinion, a
> notable improvement over any proprietary office suite out there. Evolution
> is a superb email/contact/scheduling app that will sync nicely to Palm
devices.
> I work in an Outlook/Exchange centric office so I can't use it for work,
> but all of the super hip Google Desktop "index my 2GB inbox for me so I
can
> do complex searches in two seconds" stuff has been in Evolution for years.
> Then, on top of all of that "desktop" stuff, a basic Debian install will
> also include PostgreSQL (enterprise class database), Apache (#1 web server
> in the world), Perl/Python/PHP programming languages, an elegant and
powerful
> shell, enterprise class firewall/router tools, and about fifty thousand
other
> cool things that will allow you to take control over your computing world
> in a way that you might never have before. You know those moments when you
> think, "Crikey, I wish every time I booted the machine I didn't have to
click
> these same four boxes and start these same two apps." One quick shell
script
> and you'll never have to touch it again.
>
> The downside is that nobody is OBLIGATED to help you with computer
problems.
> I'll personally volunteer to do whatever I can to help you out if you'll
> give a swing, but leaving Big Brother (be he Jobs or Gates) means none of
> His underlings work on official help lines. If you want to get your first
> taste (like most drugs the first taste is free, but unlike most drugs so
> are all of the subsequent tastes) check out http://www.knoppix.org/ and
http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
> for some live CDs. Live CDs are great because you boot off the CD and can
> take a look at what these distros are about. Knoppix is a great resource
> even as an XP rescue CD and includes a very nicely implemented KDE
desktop,
> while Ubuntu is a great beginners distrobution that includes "Gnome done
> right" and is very good about managing slightly funky video drivers. You
> can try either without touching your base OS install to get an idea what
> using GNU\Linux will be like. Both Knoppix and Ubuntu are Debian based, so
> my knowledge will be fairly useful if you run into problems.
>
> The final downside is that once you're really in control of your computer
> you won't ever want to use a proprietary OS again, ever. It will infuriate
> you that someone else thinks he/she can tell you how an application should
> run. You have been warned . . .
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I have been tempted for a while to start educating myself myself about
> >Linux. i had sort of put that on the shelf and moved on ot other things.
> >After reading Thad's posts, I'm once again interested and I just happen
> to
> >have about 90% of the components here to build another DAW. All I need is
> a
> >CDR, Floppy and PSU and I'm there.
> >
> >I may just jump into this.
> >
> >;o)
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:43ac68e1@linux...
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>Why not just talk about how "optimized"
> >> >the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
> >> >
> >> >.......which is exactly the plan.
> >> >
> >> >;o)
> >>
> >> Apple's game is to sell you obsolescence so you will have to buy the
next
> >> box, but that is everybody's game not just apple. Job promised a G5
> >PowerBook
> >> to be available a year ago July, IBM dropped the ball. IBM couldn't
> >deliver
> >> a cool enough G5 to put in a lap top, they were also supposed to
deliver
> >> a G5 3Ghz+ at the same time. IBM still has not been able to pull
either
> >> off as of yet. That is why Apple went to a quad processor to stay on
> top.
> >> Apple had no good choice, but to exercise their option to go with
Intel
> >> chips. I for one welcome the idea of a cheaper, possibly faster, more
> >upgradeable
> >> Mac. However, I don't believe they will be all that much cheaper. My
> >guess
> >> is only 10-15% cheaper.
> >>
> >> I hope they open it up to AMD also, but I doubt it. As for OSX running
> >faster
> >> on an Intel chip, I hope it does! I'd still like to see some fair and
> >balanced
> >> tests showing a 3Ghz Celeron running OSX, and being able to smoke a G5.
> >>
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac40b4$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >TCB wrote:
> >> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is
shown
> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own
> >(their
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but
that's
> >> not
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous at
> >> >managing
> >> >> >> mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use
relatively
> >> >few
> >> >> >> threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only
> a
> >few
> >> >> threads
> >> >> >> and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio
apps
> >> are
> >> >> usually
> >> >> >> more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation"
> >level
> >> >> work,
> >> >> >> so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might
> >make
> >> >> some
> >> >> >> sense.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
> >> >> >performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous"
> in
> >> >> >real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is
> >overstated
> >> >>
> >> >> >when it comes what I need in a studio box.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed with
> >the
> >> >>
> >> >> >G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I am
> >> >> >keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it
advances
> >> in
> >> >>
> >> >> >those areas.
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, so now we've gone from accusing me of peddling urban legend to
> >arguing
> >> >> that your Mac works for you, becuase I provided precisely the proof
> for
> >> >which
> >> >> you asked. That's like me saying your car has an inefficient engine,
> >you
> >> >> telling me I'm full of it, me showing you, and then you arguing that
> it
> >> >gets
> >> >> you to and from work. Fine, your Mac gets done what you want it to,
> >which
> >> >> has nothing to do with the question that was originally posed.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units on
> G5
> >> >chips
> >> >> >> are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering. So
> if
> >> >one
> >> >> >> is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem
> >only
> >> >> so
> >> >> >> so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor.
This
> >> >says
> >> >> >> nothing about OS X performance, of course.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means
minimal
> >> >threading.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In these tests it would seem so.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
> >> >> >>>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific
> >> >choices
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be
> >> >interesting
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything
> to
> >> >> >>>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples
> >make
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is
> >optimized
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not
talking
> >> quad
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS I
> >can't
> >> >> imagine
> >> >> >> the situation is a lot better.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I dunno. We can speculate.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete
Leoni
> >> >has
> >> >> >> had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's
> >> >benchmarking
> >> >> >> the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that,
> and
> >> I
> >> >> chime
> >> >> >> in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient
> in
> >> >some
> >> >> >> areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading,
> >> >kernel
> >> >> >> access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths" and
> >> >demands
> >> >> >> for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they
> just
> >> >reflecty
> >> >> >> my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Not "just." You clearly explained your reasons for disliking
> >commercial
> >> >>
> >> >> >operating systems and your reasons for liking open source. I have
> no
> >> >> >problem with that. It's a bias, but a supportable one.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, my bias doesn't make OS X perform 1/10th as well as Yellow Dog
> >using
> >> >> the same hardware when crunching MySQL queries that spawn more than
> 40
> >> >threads
> >> >> or so. OS X does that all on its own.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would
guess
> >> is
> >> >> very
> >> >> >> appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware that
> is
> >> >leaning
> >> >> >> into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the
> >chalkboard
> >> >> in
> >> >> >> Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said,
"Wow,
> >> >what
> >> >> >> a great way to destroy my database queries!"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Linus is brilliant, of course.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > However, let's look at another
> >> >> >> explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware. The
> >> >developer
> >> >> >> versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison
> to
> >> >supposedly
> >> >> >> superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4
with
> >> OS
> >> >> 9 on
> >> >> >> it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is
pretty
> >> but
> >> >> it
> >> >> >> sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new GUI
> >but
> >> >> now
> >> >> >> that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be
> >re-thought.
> >> >> The
> >> >> >> user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite
> >distinct,
> >> >> so
> >> >> >> do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS X?
> I
> >> >don't
> >> >> >> have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've
> >> >actually
> >> >> >> gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly*
> >> >logical
> >> >> >> guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that
> >they
> >> >> lifted
> >> >> >> some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the
> >current
> >> >> kernel
> >> >> >> space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one or
> the
> >> >other.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Maybe. :^) If the kernel has changed for Intel, it's likely it will
> >> >> >change for PPC. We'll see.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why is that likely? Why would Apple tell all of their PPC users that
> >> >they've
> >> >> been sucking up CPU cycles all of these years by using faulty kernel
> >> >technology?
> >> >> Why would they spend time on the kernel space of an operating system
> >> >they've
> >> >> already decided to drop in the end? Why not just talk about how
> >> >"optimized"
> >> >> the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
> >> >>
> >> >> TCB
> >> >>
> >> >> >Cheers,
> >> >> > -Jamie
> >> >> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> TCB
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very
> >interesting
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX, in
> >> >> >>>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination
> >does.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>This is all a moving target.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is not
> >open
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with his
> >> >> >>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under
> >Linux
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this says
> >much
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other
> than
> >> >his
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe he
> >should
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine -
although
> >> they
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one
rocks).
> >> >> >>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use
> for
> >> >> >>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software
> >development
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
> >> >> >>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead, step
> by
> >> >> >>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very
> >capable
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box
> I
> >use
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks for
> >> >server
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video
> >and
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>graphics system-wide.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to
> >happen.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Cheers,
> >> >> >>> -Jamie
> >> >> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Remember, in addition to what
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin
> and
> >> >developer.
> >> >> >>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about
this
> >> >urban
> >> >> >>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a) the
> G5
> >> is
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> a fabulous
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made
> in
> >> >kernel
> >> >> >>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly
> >> >mult-threaded
> >> >> >>>>environments.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel
> >does
> >> >> and
> >> >> >>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower
> than
> >> >the
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> same
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and
about
> >> the
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> guy
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the
> >supermodel
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> who
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written on
> >the
> >> >> hotel
> >> >> >>>>bathroom mirror . . .
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>TCB
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Hey Thad,
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd be
> >> >curious
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>Cheers,
> >> >> >>>>>-Jamie
> >> >> >>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>Tony,
Take care on your trip and have a good one.
Deej
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43ac8956@linux...
> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
weekend
> and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday night. If
> not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's not the PC
> thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the
> spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
> then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels,
show
> respect, and cherish the people you love.
>
> Peace,
>
> Tony
>
>I'm doing basic recording on a fresh install and when I close Paris I'm
getting blue screen hard crash with assertion errors. Is it ok to use
an EDS mono delay on two adjacent channels while using stereo native
effects? I would expect this to be ok and not the problem but having a
totally fresh install with only a couple plugs it really frustrating. I
even started with a new project not based on Default Project.ppj so I
know it's not a corrupt project. Any help appreciated.
Thanks,
JohnA female musican who knows about Ubuntu? Uh, is she single?
;-)
TCB
>> You have been warned . . .
>>
>
>I'll take that as an encouragement ;o). It may be a couple of weeks before
I
>can come up for air, but I've always wanted to get into this stuff. Also,
>it's interesting about Ubuntu. I have a studio client whose nomme de guerre
>is Ubuntu. She is very savvy and actually, now that I think of it the
>project she left here last year on a bunch of CD's was tracked up in your
>neighborhood on a DP system and she wanted to do some dubs here then remix
>the whole project. Then Bush was reelected and she totally wigged and moved
>to Kauai. I think she's into Linux'esque stuff quite a bit. Her dad is my
>dentist here and told me the other day that she's coming back to town (today
>or tomorrow) and wants to do some more work in the studio. I sold her my
>Ensoniq MR76 before she split and she had it shipped over to the islands
so
>she's likely to have a bunch of midi songs to import into my MR Rack. I'll
>see if she will give me some Linux pointers between Christmas and the middle
>of January.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Deej
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac8714$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Deej,
>>
>> Remember, for media production GNU\Linux is probably a non-starter. The
2D
>> graphic design is getting pretty good, basic video editing is also
>improving
>> notably, but all of the proprietary stuff that makes the audio world go
>'round
>> (VST, ASIO, DX, Audio Units, etc.) is not there and won't be for a very
>long
>> time, if ever. But for the daily tasks that many computers do, web
>browsing,
>> emailing, writing, spreadsheets, and so on, GNU\Linux is not only there
>it's
>> BETTER than the proprietary options. OpenOffice.org is, in my opinion,
a
>> notable improvement over any proprietary office suite out there. Evolution
>> is a superb email/contact/scheduling app that will sync nicely to Palm
>devices.
>> I work in an Outlook/Exchange centric office so I can't use it for work,
>> but all of the super hip Google Desktop "index my 2GB inbox for me so
I
>can
>> do complex searches in two seconds" stuff has been in Evolution for years.
>> Then, on top of all of that "desktop" stuff, a basic Debian install will
>> also include PostgreSQL (enterprise class database), Apache (#1 web server
>> in the world), Perl/Python/PHP programming languages, an elegant and
>powerful
>> shell, enterprise class firewall/router tools, and about fifty thousand
>other
>> cool things that will allow you to take control over your computing world
>> in a way that you might never have before. You know those moments when
you
>> think, "Crikey, I wish every time I booted the machine I didn't have to
>click
>> these same four boxes and start these same two apps." One quick shell
>script
>> and you'll never have to touch it again.
>>
>> The downside is that nobody is OBLIGATED to help you with computer
>problems.
>> I'll personally volunteer to do whatever I can to help you out if you'll
>> give a swing, but leaving Big Brother (be he Jobs or Gates) means none
of
>> His underlings work on official help lines. If you want to get your first
>> taste (like most drugs the first taste is free, but unlike most drugs
so
>> are all of the subsequent tastes) check out http://www.knoppix.org/ and
>http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
>> for some live CDs. Live CDs are great because you boot off the CD and
can
>> take a look at what these distros are about. Knoppix is a great resource
>> even as an XP rescue CD and includes a very nicely implemented KDE
>desktop,
>> while Ubuntu is a great beginners distrobution that includes "Gnome done
>> right" and is very good about managing slightly funky video drivers. You
>> can try either without touching your base OS install to get an idea what
>> using GNU\Linux will be like. Both Knoppix and Ubuntu are Debian based,
so
>> my knowledge will be fairly useful if you run into problems.
>>
>> The final downside is that once you're really in control of your computer
>> you won't ever want to use a proprietary OS again, ever. It will infuriate
>> you that someone else thinks he/she can tell you how an application should
>> run. You have been warned . . .
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I have been tempted for a while to start educating myself myself about
>> >Linux. i had sort of put that on the shelf and moved on ot other things.
>> >After reading Thad's posts, I'm once again interested and I just happen
>> to
>> >have about 90% of the components here to build another DAW. All I need
is
>> a
>> >CDR, Floppy and PSU and I'm there.
>> >
>> >I may just jump into this.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:43ac68e1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>Why not just talk about how "optimized"
>> >> >the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
>> >> >
>> >> >.......which is exactly the plan.
>> >> >
>> >> >;o)
>> >>
>> >> Apple's game is to sell you obsolescence so you will have to buy the
>next
>> >> box, but that is everybody's game not just apple. Job promised a G5
>> >PowerBook
>> >> to be available a year ago July, IBM dropped the ball. IBM couldn't
>> >deliver
>> >> a cool enough G5 to put in a lap top, they were also supposed to
>deliver
>> >> a G5 3Ghz+ at the same time. IBM still has not been able to pull
>either
>> >> off as of yet. That is why Apple went to a quad processor to stay
on
>> top.
>> >> Apple had no good choice, but to exercise their option to go with
>Intel
>> >> chips. I for one welcome the idea of a cheaper, possibly faster, more
>> >upgradeable
>> >> Mac. However, I don't believe they will be all that much cheaper.
My
>> >guess
>> >> is only 10-15% cheaper.
>> >>
>> >> I hope they open it up to AMD also, but I doubt it. As for OSX running
>> >faster
>> >> on an Intel chip, I hope it does! I'd still like to see some fair
and
>> >balanced
>> >> tests showing a 3Ghz Celeron running OSX, and being able to smoke a
G5.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac40b4$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >TCB wrote:
>> >> >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>Looking at the links, Tiger 10.4.1 on a G5 dual 2.5 or 2.7 is
>shown
>> >> to
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>be OK for workstation apps when altivec is used. Holds its own
>> >(their
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>example, LightWave - more examples would be appreciated but
>that's
>> >> not
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>their focus). I use LW so it's pertinent to me.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That's not what I read. What I read is that OS X is disastrous
at
>> >> >managing
>> >> >> >> mutliple threads. Most, but not all, workstation apps use
>relatively
>> >> >few
>> >> >> >> threads. Something like LW or AfterEffects will usually be only
>> a
>> >few
>> >> >> threads
>> >> >> >> and the penalty for bad multi-threading will be minimal. Audio
>apps
>> >> are
>> >> >> usually
>> >> >> >> more thread heavy than almost anything else that is "workstation"
>> >level
>> >> >> work,
>> >> >> >> so the consistently reported miserable performance with DP might
>> >make
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> >> sense.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I dunno. Logic runs tons of tracks and plugins in real time. Its
>> >> >> >performance is hardly "disastrous." Final Cut is not "disastrous"
>> in
>> >> >> >real life performance. Etc. So perhaps this achilles heel is
>> >overstated
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >when it comes what I need in a studio box.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Maybe because I started on an Atari 800XL, I'm quite impressed
with
>> >the
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >G5 or OSX in the studio. :^)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >However, if I were running a server, there Linux is king. And I
am
>> >> >> >keeping an eye Linux for future media production use, as it
>advances
>> >> in
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >those areas.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OK, so now we've gone from accusing me of peddling urban legend
to
>> >arguing
>> >> >> that your Mac works for you, becuase I provided precisely the proof
>> for
>> >> >which
>> >> >> you asked. That's like me saying your car has an inefficient engine,
>> >you
>> >> >> telling me I'm full of it, me showing you, and then you arguing
that
>> it
>> >> >gets
>> >> >> you to and from work. Fine, your Mac gets done what you want it
to,
>> >which
>> >> >> has nothing to do with the question that was originally posed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> The other thing this article points out is that the FPU units
on
>> G5
>> >> >chips
>> >> >> >> are pedestrian while the vector processor is truly staggering.
So
>> if
>> >> >one
>> >> >> >> is going to hand tune for vector processing (most compilers seem
>> >only
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> >> so at doing that) that's another mark majorly in the G5 favor.
>This
>> >> >says
>> >> >> >> nothing about OS X performance, of course.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So it's good for "workstation" as long as workstation means
>minimal
>> >> >threading.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >In these tests it would seem so.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>>They give thumbs down on server apps using open source software
>> >> >> >>>(apparently not optimized for OSX?), and point out that specific
>> >> >choices
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>in the kernel are shown to be slower than Linux. It would be
>> >> >interesting
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>to see if the several OSX updates since then have done anything
>> to
>> >> >> >>>address that. For my use as a workstation, their limited examples
>> >make
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>it look like OSX on G5 is not a bad choice when software is
>> >optimized
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>for altivec. Actually it looked pretty good. And we're not
>talking
>> >> quad
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>mac here which conceivably would be some amount better yet.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well, unless Apple changed the kernel and, oh, most of the OS
I
>> >can't
>> >> >> imagine
>> >> >> >> the situation is a lot better.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I dunno. We can speculate.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> So then, let's get back to the original post. Morgan says Pete
>Leoni
>> >> >has
>> >> >> >> had OS X running on pretty junky X86 hardware and that it's
>> >> >benchmarking
>> >> >> >> the daylights out of G5 boxes. A Mac enthusiast says BS on that,
>> and
>> >> I
>> >> >> chime
>> >> >> >> in that Morgan may be right because OS X is extremely inefficient
>> in
>> >> >some
>> >> >> >> areas that are crucial for high performance computing (threading,
>> >> >kernel
>> >> >> >> access, etc.). I'm told that I'm passing around "urban myths"
and
>> >> >demands
>> >> >> >> for proof are made. After the proof is given I'm told that they
>> just
>> >> >reflecty
>> >> >> >> my "bias" as someone who likes Debian.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Not "just." You clearly explained your reasons for disliking
>> >commercial
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >operating systems and your reasons for liking open source. I have
>> no
>> >> >> >problem with that. It's a bias, but a supportable one.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, my bias doesn't make OS X perform 1/10th as well as Yellow
Dog
>> >using
>> >> >> the same hardware when crunching MySQL queries that spawn more than
>> 40
>> >> >threads
>> >> >> or so. OS X does that all on its own.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> OK, that's one way to explain things, and a way that I would
>guess
>> >> is
>> >> >> very
>> >> >> >> appealing to someone in for a few grand worth of G5 hardware
that
>> is
>> >> >leaning
>> >> >> >> into the headwind of kernel design that looked great on the
>> >chalkboard
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> Comp Sci 310: Mach Kernel Development but Linus saw and said,
>"Wow,
>> >> >what
>> >> >> >> a great way to destroy my database queries!"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Linus is brilliant, of course.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > However, let's look at another
>> >> >> >> explanation. Apple is plannning on moving to Intel hardware.
The
>> >> >developer
>> >> >> >> versions for Intel hardware seem distressingly fast in comparison
>> to
>> >> >supposedly
>> >> >> >> superior chip design from IBM. Everyone who owned an early G4
>with
>> >> OS
>> >> >> 9 on
>> >> >> >> it remembers installing OS X and thinking, "Well it sure is
>pretty
>> >> but
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> sure is slower too." At the time it was attributed to the new
GUI
>> >but
>> >> >> now
>> >> >> >> that there's more evidence out there maybe that should be
>> >re-thought.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> user space and kernel space on *nix machines is usually quite
>> >distinct,
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> >> do you think maybe Apple made some kernel changes in Intel OS
X?
>> I
>> >> >don't
>> >> >> >> have access to the software, so I can't say for sure if they've
>> >> >actually
>> >> >> >> gone monolithic but from the benchmarks that would be a *highly*
>> >> >logical
>> >> >> >> guess. If they haven't gone fully monolithic I would expect that
>> >they
>> >> >> lifted
>> >> >> >> some more code from a BSD licensed *nix to vastly improve the
>> >current
>> >> >> kernel
>> >> >> >> space. I'd still be on monolithic but it almost has to be one
or
>> the
>> >> >other.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Or maybe I'm just peddling urban myths . . .
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Maybe. :^) If the kernel has changed for Intel, it's likely it
will
>> >> >> >change for PPC. We'll see.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why is that likely? Why would Apple tell all of their PPC users
that
>> >> >they've
>> >> >> been sucking up CPU cycles all of these years by using faulty kernel
>> >> >technology?
>> >> >> Why would they spend time on the kernel space of an operating system
>> >> >they've
>> >> >> already decided to drop in the end? Why not just talk about how
>> >> >"optimized"
>> >> >> the new X86 version of OS X is and make everyone buy new hardware?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> TCB
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Cheers,
>> >> >> > -Jamie
>> >> >> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> TCB
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>OTOH, the Opteron looked pretty good, too. It will be very
>> >interesting
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>to look at the upcoming Intel dual Yonah processor with OSX,
in
>> >> >> >>>(rumored) another couple of weeks, and see how that combination
>> >does.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>This is all a moving target.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>In the other link, the main bias is the same as yours: OSX is
not
>> >open
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>source from top to bottom. True. Beyond that complaint, with
his
>> >> >> >>>specific statistical software he finds better performance under
>> >Linux
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>when testing on a couple of older G5 boxes. Not sure if this
says
>> >much
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>about the music/graphics/video/animation apps that I use (other
>> than
>> >> >his
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>complaint about accessing his PVR files, in which case maybe
he
>> >should
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>consider the ElGato digital video boxes which work fine -
>although
>> >> they
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> may not have been out when he wrote his review - the HD one
>rocks).
>> >> >> >>>But I can see why he made the choices he did for his application.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>It's good to have choices. Go Linux! Some of the software I use
>> for
>> >> >> >>>browsing, email, word processing, spreadsheet and software
>> >development
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>also run on Linux and I like that. BTW, I'm happy to see Linux
>> >> >> >>>animation, audio, video, and graphics software moving ahead,
step
>> by
>> >> >> >>>step. If you're involved in any of that, kudos to you!
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>For now, OSX and the available software for OSX offers a very
>> >capable
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>platform for the media production I do, and the dual 2.5GHZ box
>> I
>> >use
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>is, for the most part, amazing. The kernel may have drawbacks
for
>> >> >server
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>use, but it has some very nice features that support audio, video
>> >and
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>graphics system-wide.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>It's not perfect, mind you. That's still out there waiting to
>> >happen.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>Cheers,
>> >> >> >>> -Jamie
>> >> >> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>Remember, in addition to what
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>I do with audio apps I work 50-80 hour weeks as a network admin
>> and
>> >> >developer.
>> >> >> >>>>And I hate M$oft just as much as I hate Apple. So then, about
>this
>> >> >urban
>> >> >> >>>>legend nonsense, I give you Anandtech, wherein he proves a)
the
>> G5
>> >> is
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> a fabulous
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>RISC processor and that b) thanks to some very bad choices made
>> in
>> >> >kernel
>> >> >> >>>>development and implementation OS X hamstrings it in highly
>> >> >mult-threaded
>> >> >> >>>>environments.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>Then benchmarks run by a fine fellow in Berkely. Skip how Intel
>> >does
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >>>>note that the same machine running OS X performs 25-30% slower
>> than
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> same
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>hardware running Yellow Dog Linux.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>http://sekhon.polisci.berkeley.edu/macosx/
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>Now, let me tell you that masturbation causes blindness and
>about
>> >> the
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> guy
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>who woke up in a bathtub full of ice short a kidney and the
>> >supermodel
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> who
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>>banged me and then left "Welcome to AIDS" in lipstick written
on
>> >the
>> >> >> hotel
>> >> >> >>>>bathroom mirror . . .
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>TCB
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>Hey Thad,
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>I'm all for Gnu/Linux but that sounds like urban legend. I'd
be
>> >> >curious
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>to check out the evidence you mention. Any URLs?
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>Cheers,
>> >> >> >>>>>-Jamie
>> >> >> >>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>It's generally a no no to have mono eds inserts going if you you have stereo
native inserts going. That very well could be your problem.
Rod
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I'm doing basic recording on a fresh install and when I close Paris I'm
>getting blue screen hard crash with assertion errors. Is it ok to use
>an EDS mono delay on two adjacent channels while using stereo native
>effects? I would expect this to be ok and not the problem but having a
>totally fresh install with only a couple plugs it really frustrating. I
>even started with a new project not based on Default Project.ppj so I
>know it's not a corrupt project. Any help appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>JohnYou go Deej! Looking forward to hearing about your Linux adventures.
There is some Linux audio software out there, be interested in your take
on it.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> It will infuriate
>
>>you that someone else thinks he/she can tell you how an application should
>>run.
>
>
> It already does.
>
>
>>You have been warned . . .
>>
>
>
> I'll take that as an encouragement ;o). It may be a couple of weeks before I
> can come up for air, but I've always wanted to get into this stuff. Also,
> it's interesting about Ubuntu. I have a studio client whose nomme de guerre
> is Ubuntu. She is very savvy and actually, now that I think of it the
> project she left here last year on a bunch of CD's was tracked up in your
> neighborhood on a DP system and she wanted to do some dubs here then remix
> the whole project. Then Bush was reelected and she totally wigged and moved
> to Kauai. I think she's into Linux'esque stuff quite a bit. Her dad is my
> dentist here and told me the other day that she's coming back to town (today
> or tomorrow) and wants to do some more work in the studio. I sold her my
> Ensoniq MR76 before she split and she had it shipped over to the islands so
> she's likely to have a bunch of midi songs to import into my MR Rack. I'll
> see if she will give me some Linux pointers between Christmas and the middle
> of January.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Deej
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43ac8714$1@linux...
>
>>Hey Deej,
>>
>>Remember, for media production GNU\Linux is probably a non-starter. The 2D
>>graphic design is getting pretty good, basic video editing is also
>
> improving
>
>>notably, but all of the proprietary stuff that makes the audio world go
>
> 'round
>
>>(VST, ASIO, DX, Audio Units, etc.) is not there and won't be for a very
>
> long
>
>>time, if ever. But for the daily tasks that many computers do, web
>
> browsing,
>
>>emailing, writing, spreadsheets, and so on, GNU\Linux is not only there
>
> it's
>
>>BETTER than the proprietary options. OpenOffice.org is, in my opinion, a
>>notable improvement over any proprietary office suite out there. Evolution
>>is a superb email/contact/scheduling app that will sync nicely to Palm
>
> devices.
>
>>I work in an Outlook/Exchange centric office so I can't use it for work,
>>but all of the super hip Google Desktop "index my 2GB inbox for me so I
>
> can
>
>>do complex searches in two seconds" stuff has been in Evolution for years.
>>Then, on top of all of that "desktop" stuff, a basic Debian install will
>>also include PostgreSQL (enterprise class database), Apache (#1 web server
>>in the world), Perl/Python/PHP programming languages, an elegant and
>
> powerful
>
>>shell, enterprise class firewall/router tools, and about fifty thousand
>
> other
>
>>cool things that will allow you to take control over your computing world
>>in a way that you might never have before. You know those moments when you
>>think, "Crikey, I wish every time I booted the machine I didn't have to
>
> click
>
>>these same four boxes and start these same two apps." One quick shell
>
> script
>
>>and you'll never have to touch it again.
>>
>>The downside is that nobody is OBLIGATED to help you with computer
>
> problems.
>
>>I'll personally volunteer to do whatever I can to help you out if you'll
>>give a swing, but leaving Big Brother (be he Jobs or Gates) means none of
>>His underlings work on official help lines. If you want to get your first
>>taste (like most drugs the first taste is free, but unlike most drugs so
>>are all of the subsequent tastes) check out http://www.knoppix.org/ and
>
> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
>
>>for some live CDs. Live CDs are great because you boot off the CD and can
>>take a look at what these distros are about. Knoppix is a great resource
>>even as an XP rescue CD and includes a very nicely implemented KDE
>
> desktop,
>
>>while Ubuntu is a great beginners distrobution that includes "Gnome done
>>right"
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yers and just sounds exactly like a piano
is right in the room with you. It's scary realistic. I still haven't bought
it so I'm looking around for opinions on Ivory as well. I don't think the
Ivory instruments are sampled in quite so much detail, but I also wonder if
it would make that much difference.
I'm going to get the B4 also and probably Kontact. I hear there are some
nice string libraries for Kontact.
As for percussion, I'm not needing anything quite as comprehensive as
Culture, though it would be nice. I've got some Halion Latin percussion
samples here and perhaps Kontact could play them or I might just spring for
the Halion player.
Merry Christmas ;o)
Deej
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43ae3443$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host
program.
> I
> >have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with
older
> >programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be as
> >friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so much.
> the
> >project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on acoustic
> >instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time to
> >time.
>
> It's hard to go wrong with a good sampler like Kontakt. You can always add
> more samples libraries later. Many of the GigaStudio libraries are
available
> for Kontakt, and it generally does a good job opening patches from other
> samplers.
> Kontakt is quite powerful and surprisingly easy to use. The basic string
> library that comes with it is fine, but I don't like the standard pianos
> very much.
> I still tend to reach for Giga for Pianos and strings and MachFive or Giga
> for critical sonic use, but I recommend Kontakt as the best choice for a
> single sampler setup.
> I can't speak to Cubase integration; other then to say Kontakt works well
> in V-Stack.
>
> I sounds like you may be better off with individual VSTI plugs instead of
> a sampler, like Ivory for piano, EWQLSO Gold for strings, B4 for organ,
and
> perhaps Culture for percussion.
> What kind of percussion are you looking for?
> Gene
> The Grand.not for me.
>Feliz Navidad mis amigos!
El Miguel
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43ac8956@linux...
> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
weekend
> and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday night. If
> not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's not the PC
> thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the
> spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
> then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels,
show
> respect, and cherish the people you love.
>
> Peace,
>
> Tony
>
>The Matrox G450 PCI is history for the new machine (still workws great in
the Paris rig though) . It's just causing a helluva train wreck here with
th\is new mobo and all of these PCI cards. Windows seems to want to shuffle
it to different IRQ's every time I boot and when it gets shuffled to the
IRQ that is utilizing my Magma Host card, no samples can stream from the
dedicated HD. I just did myself a favor and yanked it. Time for a P750 or
Parhelia.
Good riddance, bah humbug and Merry Christmas
;o).....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
Erling
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding news:43addc91@linux...
> As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>
> Bill L
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:43ac8956@linux...
>> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>> weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday
>> night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's
>> not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I
>> say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If
>> you're offended, then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in
>> your travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Tony
>>
>
>Dear DJ,
I am gonna suggest once again Creamware Pulsar card which excep[t for the
great adat/spdif routings has the greatest plugz/synths compared to anything
out there.
It has great samplers (no latency) that can load Akai format sample library
too, has the best sounding B3 emulation synth named B2003 along with fantastic
synthesizers like Minimoog and Prophet...
You can pick up a used one card that comes along with with synth package
and update for 98 Euros to 4.5 and get your free B2003 Prophet and some great
plugz at that price (Christmas offer).
If you insist on VSTI native host I would suggest the great sounding IK Sampletank
which I believe has the best (warm) sound of all including Halion and the
others.
Also has very good compression as effect amoung many other (the sound is
so nice).
You have to lay your hands on a Creamware Pulsar II card.
Note that their samplers use memory only no disk caching.
Merry Christmas,
Dimitrios
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host program.
I
>have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with older
>programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be as
>friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so much.
the
>project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on acoustic
>instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time to
>time.
>
>I have played around a little bit with older versions of Halion and Kontact.
>I don't really know my way around them enough to know their strong suits.
>what I need is something that has really good piano, orchestral and
>percussion libraries.
>
>I have thought about getting the East West Bosendorfer 290, but it's a
>standalone. (I have heard this........it is scary realistic)
>
>I have also thought about The Grand from Steinberg, but again this is a
>standalone.
>
>I have also thought about getting the Gold Orchestral Bundle from East West,
>but again, that's a standalone.
>
>I would like to have the NI B-4 as well.
>
>Soooo........my question is, given the needs set out above, could I possibly
>fullfill these by purchasing Halion or Kontact and then just buying library
>CD's?
>
>Would this be the most cost effective and flexible way to go about this
or
>am I going to get a quantum leap in quality by going with a standalone which
>is tied to it's own special host (I notice Kompact hosts the Bosendorfer
and
>the E-W Orchestral)
>
>Anyone's experiences would be welcome.
>
>TIA and Merry Christmas y'all
>
>:o)
>
>Deej
>
>dude, you have way too much money. can i have some?
John :-)
DJ wrote:
> The Matrox G450 PCI is history for the new machine (still workws great in
> the Paris rig though) . It's just causing a helluva train wreck here with
> th\is new mobo and all of these PCI cards. Windows seems to want to shuffle
> it to different IRQ's every time I boot and when it gets shuffled to the
> IRQ that is utilizing my Magma Host card, no samples can stream from the
> dedicated HD. I just did myself a favor and yanked it. Time for a P750 or
> Parhelia.
>
> Good riddance, bah humbug and Merry Christmas
>
> ;o)
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Hi Gene,
>
>Thanks for the feedback. Having heard the EW Bosendorfer 290, I'm really
>leaning toward that for my primary piano. I just ordered another 2G of
>Corsair 3200c2pt unbuffered RAM for my DAW to bump it up to it's 4G limit.
>The Bosendorfer is sampled at 16 layers and just sounds exactly like a piano
>is right in the room with you. It's scary realistic.
I have the PMI Bosendorfer 290 for GigaStudio and I agree that it is a superior
sounding sampled piano. It’s wonderful for “classical” uses but it has a
hard time in more “pop” type mixes where it seems a little distant and mellow
to me.
I really miss running into the City to Sorcerer Sound for quick, inexpensive
piano sessions with a world-class setup :-(> dude, you have way too much money.
Not any more.
;o)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43ae933c@linux...
> dude, you have way too much money. can i have some?
> John :-)
>
> DJ wrote:
> > The Matrox G450 PCI is history for the new machine (still workws great
in
> > the Paris rig though) . It's just causing a helluva train wreck here
with
> > th\is new mobo and all of these PCI cards. Windows seems to want to
shuffle
> > it to different IRQ's every time I boot and when it gets shuffled to
the
> > IRQ that is utilizing my Magma Host card, no samples can stream from the
> > dedicated HD. I just did myself a favor and yanked it. Time for a P750
or
> > Parhelia.
> >
> > Good riddance, bah humbug and Merry Christmas
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> >I'm wondering if the Pulsar can work with Steinberg Systemlink. I'm thinking
about putting my old DAW back to work somehow as a dual boot running Win XP
and Linux.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:43ae821d$1@linux...
>
> Dear DJ,
> I am gonna suggest once again Creamware Pulsar card which excep[t for the
> great adat/spdif routings has the greatest plugz/synths compared to
anything
> out there.
> It has great samplers (no latency) that can load Akai format sample
library
> too, has the best sounding B3 emulation synth named B2003 along with
fantastic
> synthesizers like Minimoog and Prophet...
> You can pick up a used one card that comes along with with synth package
> and update for 98 Euros to 4.5 and get your free B2003 Prophet and some
great
> plugz at that price (Christmas offer).
> If you insist on VSTI native host I would suggest the great sounding IK
Sampletank
> which I believe has the best (warm) sound of all including Halion and the
> others.
> Also has very good compression as effect amoung many other (the sound is
> so nice).
> You have to lay your hands on a Creamware Pulsar II card.
> Note that their samplers use memory only no disk caching.
> Merry Christmas,
> Dimitrios
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host
program.
> I
> >have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with
older
> >programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be as
> >friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so much.
> the
> >project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on acoustic
> >instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time to
> >time.
> >
> >I have played around a little bit with older versions of Halion and
Kontact.
> >I don't really know my way around them enough to know their strong suits.
> >what I need is something that has really good piano, orchestral and
> >percussion libraries.
> >
> >I have thought about getting the East West Bosendorfer 290, but it's a
> >standalone. (I have heard this........it is scary realistic)
> >
> >I have also thought about The Grand from Steinberg, but again this is a
> >standalone.
> >
> >I have also thought about getting the Gold Orchestral Bundle from East
West,
> >but again, that's a standalone.
> >
> >I would like to have the NI B-4 as well.
> >
> >Soooo........my question is, given the needs set out above, could I
possibly
> >fullfill these by purchasing Halion or Kontact and then just buying
library
> >CD's?
> >
> >Would this be the most cost effective and flexible way to go about this
> or
> >am I going to get a quantum leap in quality by going with a standalone
which
> >is tied to it's own special host (I notice Kompact hosts the Bosendorfer
> and
> >the E-W Orchestral)
> >
> >Anyone's experiences would be welcome.
> >
> >TIA and Merry Christmas y'all
> >
> >:o)
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
>I’ve never been very excited about exciters, other then in restoration work,
but Refined Audiometrics just sent me a free one that seems quite usable,
at least on first impression.
Information on the plug is here:
http://refinedaudiometrics.com/pages/20/index.htm
I tried this on a RMX drum sound that was intentionally “Old School” sounding,
but a little too dull for my tastes. It worked far better than EQ alone and
the drums really pop.
It wasn’t clear in David’s email if this was free to everyone, or just users,
but if you are interested I guess you could email him and ask.
His EQ is amazingly competitive to the Weiss and Audiorithmix. This is a
developer to watch.
For ColorTone Pro users: Don’t miss the Universal Audio 175 impulses for
CTP. Great stuff.
http://www.tritonedigital.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=515
I think these would work in other impulse players like SIR, although I haven’t
tried yet.
I’m off to Present-Land.
Genenow you have to read all thos manuals :-)
DJ wrote:
>>dude, you have way too much money.
>
>
> Not any more.
>
> ;o)
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43ae933c@linux...
>
>>dude, you have way too much money. can i have some?
>>John :-)
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>The Matrox G450 PCI is history for the new machine (still workws great
>
> in
>
>>>the Paris rig though) . It's just causing a helluva train wreck here
>
> with
>
>>>th\is new mobo and all of these PCI cards. Windows seems to want to
>
> shuffle
>
>>>it to different IRQ's every time I boot and when it gets shuffled to
>
> the
>
>>>IRQ that is utilizing my Magma Host card, no samples can stream from the
>>>dedicated HD. I just did myself a favor and yanked it. Time for a P750
>
> or
>
>>>Parhelia.
>>>
>>>Good riddance, bah humbug and Merry Christmas
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>
>
>Best of the best to all y'all -- peace -- Chas
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 00:49:47 -0700, "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Feliz Navidad mis amigos!
>
>El Miguel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>news:43ac8956@linux...
>> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>weekend
>> and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday night. If
>> not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's not the PC
>> thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the
>> spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
>> then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels,
>show
>> respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>Merry Christmas y'allz
remember: its better to give than to receive
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
> ....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>
> Erling
>
> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
> news:43addc91@linux...
>> As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>
>> Bill L
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>> news:43ac8956@linux...
>>> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>> weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday
>>> night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's
>>> not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I
>>> say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If
>>> you're offended, then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe
>>> in your travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>
>>
>
>you wanna give me something ?
justcron wrote:
> Merry Christmas y'allz
>
> remember: its better to give than to receive
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>
>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>
>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>
>>>Bill L
>>>
>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>
>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>>weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday
>>>>night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's
>>>>not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I
>>>>say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If
>>>>you're offended, then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe
>>>>in your travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>
>>>>Peace,
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>have you done the install as per the latest install instructions?
That fixed the BSOD problem.
Also make sure hyperthreading is disabled
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43ad44e4@linux...
> Thanks I will try that. Since so many said XP was delicious right out of
> the box I haven't done any tweaking. I have a list of about 50 things I
> can do but have not since others seemed to have so much success. I'll
> give that a try. Thanks ! I would love to stop bitching and just be
> reliable. I'm starting to annoy myself.
> John
>
> Edna wrote:
>> If you havent done so already, you might try disabling disk caching on
>> your
>> drives. I havent had any assertion errors since I did this.
>> Edna
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43ac8c32@linux...
>>
>>>I'm doing basic recording on a fresh install and when I close Paris I'm
>>>getting blue screen hard crash with assertion errors. Is it ok to use
>>>an EDS mono delay on two adjacent channels while using stereo native
>>>effects? I would expect this to be ok and not the problem but having a
>>>totally fresh install with only a couple plugs it really frustrating. I
>>>even started with a new project not based on Default Project.ppj so I
>>>know it's not a corrupt project. Any help appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>John
>>
>>Juullimi Pilluartsi tamassi (merry Christmas to you all)
from Santa Land
Jorsi
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:43ae4fb7@linux...
> Feliz Navidad mis amigos!
>
> El Miguel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:43ac8956@linux...
>> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
> weekend
>> and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday night.
>> If
>> not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's not the PC
>> thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in
>> the
>> spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
>> then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels,
> show
>> respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>
>Hey Deej,
Jimmy Nichols, who plays keys on the road with Reba and is also an
accomplished session player, swears by the piano sample Ivory. Here's the
link:
http://www.synthogy.net/
I'm thinking real seriously about selling EMIs 7ft Steinway and setting up a
rig with Ivory for all my piano needs.
CL
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43ae369e@linux...
> Hi Gene,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Having heard the EW Bosendorfer 290, I'm really
> leaning toward that for my primary piano. I just ordered another 2G of
> Corsair 3200c2pt unbuffered RAM for my DAW to bump it up to it's 4G limit.
> The Bosendorfer is sampled at 16 layers and just sounds exactly like a
piano
> is right in the room with you. It's scary realistic. I still haven't
bought
> it so I'm looking around for opinions on Ivory as well. I don't think the
> Ivory instruments are sampled in quite so much detail, but I also wonder
if
> it would make that much difference.
>
> I'm going to get the B4 also and probably Kontact. I hear there are some
> nice string libraries for Kontact.
>
> As for percussion, I'm not needing anything quite as comprehensive as
> Culture, though it would be nice. I've got some Halion Latin percussion
> samples here and perhaps Kontact could play them or I might just spring
for
> the Halion player.
>
> Merry Christmas ;o)
>
> Deej
> "gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:43ae3443$1@linux...
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > >One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host
> program.
> > I
> > >have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with
> older
> > >programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be
as
> > >friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so
much.
> > the
> > >project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on acoustic
> > >instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time
to
> > >time.
> >
> > It's hard to go wrong with a good sampler like Kontakt. You can always
add
> > more samples libraries later. Many of the GigaStudio libraries are
> available
> > for Kontakt, and it generally does a good job opening patches from other
> > samplers.
> > Kontakt is quite powerful and surprisingly easy to use. The basic string
> > library that comes with it is fine, but I don't like the standard pianos
> > very much.
> > I still tend to reach for Giga for Pianos and strings and MachFive or
Giga
> > for critical sonic use, but I recommend Kontakt as the best choice for a
> > single sampler setup.
> > I can't speak to Cubase integration; other then to say Kontakt works
well
> > in V-Stack.
> >
> > I sounds like you may be better off with individual VSTI plugs instead
of
> > a sampler, like Ivory for piano, EWQLSO Gold for strings, B4 for organ,
> and
> > perhaps Culture for percussion.
> > What kind of percussion are you looking for?
> > Gene
> > The Grand.not for me.
> >
>
>B & H has this for $329.00. I still haven't made up my mind. Definitely a
lot more variety to it.
;o)
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:43af652a@linux...
> Hey Deej,
>
> Jimmy Nichols, who plays keys on the road with Reba and is also an
> accomplished session player, swears by the piano sample Ivory. Here's the
> link:
>
> http://www.synthogy.net/
>
> I'm thinking real seriously about selling EMIs 7ft Steinway and setting up
a
> rig with Ivory for all my piano needs.
>
> CL
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43ae369e@linux...
> > Hi Gene,
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback. Having heard the EW Bosendorfer 290, I'm really
> > leaning toward that for my primary piano. I just ordered another 2G of
> > Corsair 3200c2pt unbuffered RAM for my DAW to bump it up to it's 4G
limit.
> > The Bosendorfer is sampled at 16 layers and just sounds exactly like a
> piano
> > is right in the room with you. It's scary realistic. I still haven't
> bought
> > it so I'm looking around for opinions on Ivory as well. I don't think
the
> > Ivory instruments are sampled in quite so much detail, but I also wonder
> if
> > it would make that much difference.
> >
> > I'm going to get the B4 also and probably Kontact. I hear there are some
> > nice string libraries for Kontact.
> >
> > As for percussion, I'm not needing anything quite as comprehensive as
> > Culture, though it would be nice. I've got some Halion Latin percussion
> > samples here and perhaps Kontact could play them or I might just spring
> for
> > the Halion player.
> >
> > Merry Christmas ;o)
> >
> > Deej
> > "gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> > news:43ae3443$1@linux...
> > >
> > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > > >One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host
> > program.
> > > I
> > > >have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was
with
> > older
> > > >programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to
be
> as
> > > >friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so
> much.
> > > the
> > > >project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on acoustic
> > > >instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time
> to
> > > >time.
> > >
> > > It's hard to go wrong with a good sampler like Kontakt. You can always
> add
> > > more samples libraries later. Many of the GigaStudio libraries are
> > available
> > > for Kontakt, and it generally does a good job opening patches from
other
> > > samplers.
> > > Kontakt is quite powerful and surprisingly easy to use. The basic
string
> > > library that comes with it is fine, but I don't like the standard
pianos
> > > very much.
> > > I still tend to reach for Giga for Pianos and strings and MachFive or
> Giga
> > > for critical sonic use, but I recommend Kontakt as the best choice for
a
> > > single sampler setup.
> > > I can't speak to Cubase integration; other then to say Kontakt works
> well
> > > in V-Stack.
> > >
> > > I sounds like you may be better off with individual VSTI plugs instead
> of
> > > a sampler, like Ivory for piano, EWQLSO Gold for strings, B4 for
organ,
> > and
> > > perhaps Culture for percussion.
> > > What kind of percussion are you looking for?
> > > Gene
> > > The Grand.not for me.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>ho, ho, ho, Jorsi is trying to say that Finland now have changed name to
Santaland because, arghhh, never mind, it's Christmas and Santa Claus was
coming to my grandchildren here, on the Nor(th)way, the star-subway that's
coming from the North Pole and not from Finland. You see, my grandchildren
asked him and I don't think he would lie for them about something so
serious, ho, ho, ho;-)
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> skrev i melding news:43af410e@linux...
> Juullimi Pilluartsi tamassi (merry Christmas to you all)
> from Santa Land
> Jorsi
> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:43ae4fb7@linux...
>> Feliz Navidad mis amigos!
>>
>> El Miguel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>> news:43ac8956@linux...
>>> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>> weekend
>>> and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday night.
>>> If
>>> not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's not the
>>> PC
>>> thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in
>>> the
>>> spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're
>>> offended,
>>> then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels,
>> show
>>> respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>i found it made my mids a bit flabby and gave me a big bottom...sigh
On 25 Dec 2005 06:37:06 +1000, "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com>
wrote:
>
>
>Oh Trader Joes soynut butter.
>Part of my road cycling diet. I just had a sandwich with blueberry preserves!
>Yum. (Blueberrys are very good for you, )
>I have doe a blind A/B test with other sandwich spreads and I find the Soynut
>to have a tad more punch in the mids and less flabby in the lows, of course
>I use the crunchy for a bit more agressive edge, but the creamy will make
>you think there is a vintage Mullard in there.
>
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>i just want to be the great puppet master who pulls all the strings in
>>the universe or...a jar of really good peanut butter...either will do.
>>
>>merry christmas
>>
>>On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:02:41 -0600, "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I asked for Nuendo and CuBase and Kontakt and Halion and Wavelab and RME
>>>56xx and Reaktor and Absynth and Acid and Reason and a partridge. . . .
> -
>>>actually I used to raise partridges, and they are delicious.
>>>Happy holidays to everyone!
>>>
>>>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43acacb3$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope Santa brings you some goodies, What did everyone ask for?
>>>> I asked for a manley ELOP and the Chander Germanium pre, I wonder if
>the
>>>> elves can make U47s. By the way is there a differnece between an elf
>and
>>>> a faery? DO they hang wiht Dwarves?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >Tony,
>>>> >
>>>> >Take care on your trip and have a good one.
>>>> >
>>>> >Deej
>>>> >
>>>> >"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>> >news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>> >> Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>> >weekend
>>>> >> and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday night.
>>>> If
>>>> >> not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's not
>the
>>>> PC
>>>> >> thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it
>in
>>>> the
>>>> >> spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're
>>>offended,
>>>> >> then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels,
>>>> >show
>>>> >> respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Peace,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tony
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
10. ;o)
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>you wanna give me something ?
>
>justcron wrote:
>> Merry Christmas y'allz
>>
>> remember: its better to give than to receive
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>
>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>
>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>
>>>>Bill L
>>>>
>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>>>weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday
>>>>>night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's
>>>>>not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I
>>>>>say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If
>>>>>you're offended, then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe
>>>>>in your travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>>
>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>Wow, myparispro domain name expired on 12/16/2005 and is pending
renewal or deletion.
The instructions I followed had me do a fresh xp install, then the xp
scherzo drivers, then paris, then the COE subsystem. That's basically
all I did. Did I miss something?
Thanks a lot Martin,
John
Martin Harrington wrote:
> have you done the install as per the latest install instructions?
> That fixed the BSOD problem.
> Also make sure hyperthreading is disabled
>his domain name expired on 12/16/2005 and is pending renewal or deletion.oh, regarding hyperthreading, my cpu is a celeron 2.4ghz and there is no
hyperthreading.
Martin Harrington wrote:
> have you done the install as per the latest install instructions?
> That fixed the BSOD problem.
> Also make sure hyperthreading is disabled
>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique,
Yamaha 60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
John
rick wrote:
> though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
> 10. ;o)
>
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>
>>you wanna give me something ?
>>
>>justcron wrote:
>>
>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>
>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>
>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>>>>
>>>>Erling
>>>>
>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>>>>weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until Monday
>>>>>>night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I know it's
>>>>>>not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to exclude anyone. I
>>>>>>say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If
>>>>>>you're offended, then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe
>>>>>>in your travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
> I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique, Yamaha
> 60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
> justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
> next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>
> John
>
>
> rick wrote:
>> though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>> 10. ;o)
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>
>>>justcron wrote:
>>>
>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>
>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>
>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>>>>>
>>>>>Erling
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>>>>>weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until
>>>>>>>Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I
>>>>>>>know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to
>>>>>>>exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter
>>>>>>>what your beliefs. If you're offended, then may I at least wish you
>>>>>>>Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels, show respect, and cherish
>>>>>>>the people you love.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>I have a tune ready for production in a few weeks.
It calls for really great strings, my k2000 aint gonna do it.
Would one of these progs be the way to go for that too?
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Hi Thad,
>
>Thanks for the feedback. I have been scouring the net for options here.
I
>have found that though I can be quite happy with the patches in my Ensoniq
>MR Rack, the *real* piano players around here *must* have something like
the
>290 Bosendorfer or some kind of monster Gigapiano setup and would really
>prefer to have a rough given to them and then they want to take it home
and
>perform it on *their* sequencer with *their* favorite software, on *their*
>keyboard. That's an issue sometimes because the producer is usually *here*
>not *their*........errrr.........there ;o) and we need to have the producer
>involved in what's being played rather than the keyboard player making all
>of the decisions. I have been marginally successful getting a keyboardist
to
>even play my MAudio Keystation 88, but I thnk that can be overcome. Having
>heard the Bosendorfer 290, I'm leaning toward that. Nice Kompact interface,
>2 G of samples, excellent sound..............but........I've heard some
>raves about the Ivory VSTi. This has 9 G of samples of both a Bosendorfer
>and a Steinway. for about $120.00 more than the 290. I'm just wondering
how
>*SX friendly* it is as far as memopry management goes. I've got 2 G now
and
>will be installing another G PDQ. Maybe I should get 2G more instead of
>just 1G. (sigh)
>
>Cheers,
>
>DJ
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43adee67$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Deej,
>>
>> Remember Derek, the German PARIS geek? He turned me on to VSampler which
>> I still use even though I have Kontakt and Halion installed on my audio
>PC.
>> You can check it out at www.maz-sound.com and right now he's running some
>> specials as well. I also DO like Kontakt but for me VSampler is easier
and
>> quicker and it gets done what I need. It also had really super VST effect
>> implentation within the sampler before anyone else, though I understand
>that
>> Kontakt is a lot better with that now.
>>
>> Almost everyone has a few sounds that matter most to them. What I would
>suggest
>> is picking those few out for you and getting "best of breed" regardless
of
>> flexibility and then pick up a sampler for the rest of it. For example,
in
>> my music I simply could not live without Atmosphere from Spectrasonics.
If
>> I had to buy an iMac just to run it I would, though thanks be to Marduk
I
>> don't. Second up would be electric pianos and for me the NI electic piano
>> instrument is worth every penny even if it only does one thing. After
that
>> for a lot of other instruments VSampler and a decent sample library is
>more
>> than good enough. So it sounds to me like you should get the B4, buy the
>> acoustic piano instrument you like the best and then get a general purpose
>> sampler for the rest.
>>
>> One more thing, you might want to check out Komplete from NI.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host
>program.
>> I
>> >have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with
>older
>> >programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be
as
>> >friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so much.
>> the
>> >project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on aco
>>
>> ustic
>> >instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time
to
>> >time.
>> >
>> >I have played around a little bit with older versions of Halion and
>Kontact.
>> >I don't really know my way around them enough to know their strong suits.
>> >what I need is something that has really good piano, orchestral and
>> >percussion libraries.
>> >
>> >I have thought about getting the East West Bosendorfer 290, but it's
a
>> >standalone. (I have heard this........it is scary realistic)
>> >
>> >I have also thought about The Grand from Steinberg, but again this is
a
>> >standalone.
>> >
>> >I have also thought about getting the Gold Orchestral Bundle from East
>West,
>> >but again, that's a standalone.
>> >
>> >I would like to have the NI B-4 as well.
>> >
>> >Soooo........my question is, given the needs set out above, could I
>possibly
>> >fullfill these by purchasing Halion or Kontact and then just buying
>library
>> >CD's?
>> >
>> >Would this be the most cost effective and flexible way to go about this
>> or
>> >am I going to get a quantum leap in quality by going with a standalone
>which
>> >is tied to it's own special host (I notice Kompact hosts the Bosendorfer
>> and
>> >the E-W Orchestral)
>> >
>> >Anyone's experiences would be welcome.
>> >
>> >TIA and Merry Christmas y'all
>> >
>> >:o)
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Hey Deej,
Give SERIOUS thought to a pair of nVidia cards instead of some high end Matrox
thing. They're good cards and work well with mutliple cards in a machine.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>The Matrox G450 PCI is history for the new machine (still workws great in
>the Paris rig though) . It's just causing a helluva train wreck here with
>th\is new mobo and all of these PCI cards. Windows seems to want to shuffle
>it to different IRQ's every time I boot and when it gets shuffled to the
>IRQ that is utilizing my Magma Host card, no samples can stream from the
>dedicated HD. I just did myself a favor and yanked it. Time for a P750 or
>Parhelia.
>
>Good riddance, bah humbug and Merry Christmas
>
>;o)
>
>I actually really like the Pulsar/SCOPE stuff as well but I'd be really concerned
about the health of that company. Especially for people already cobbling
along discontinued hardware like PARIS. Again, this isn't a knock on their
quality, just that the market seems to be moving away from hardware based
processing and they've already almost gone bankrupt once. So just be careful
Deej.
TCB
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Dear DJ,
>I am gonna suggest once again Creamware Pulsar card which excep[t for the
>great adat/spdif routings has the greatest plugz/synths compared to anything
>out there.
>It has great samplers (no latency) that can load Akai format sample library
>too, has the best sounding B3 emulation synth named B2003 along with fantastic
>synthesizers like Minimoog and Prophet...
>You can pick up a used one card that comes along with with synth package
>and update for 98 Euros to 4.5 and get your free B2003 Prophet and some
great
>plugz at that price (Christmas offer).
>If you insist on VSTI native host I would suggest the great sounding IK
Sampletank
>which I believe has the best (warm) sound of all including Halion and the
>others.
>Also has very good compression as effect amoung many other (the sound is
>so nice).
>You have to lay your hands on a Creamware Pulsar II card.
>Note that their samplers use memory only no disk caching.
>Merry Christmas,
>Dimitrios
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host program.
>I
>>have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with
older
>>programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be
as
>>friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so much.
>the
>>project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on acoustic
>>instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time to
>>time.
>>
>>I have played around a little bit with older versions of Halion and Kontact.
>>I don't really know my way around them enough to know their strong suits.
>>what I need is something that has really good piano, orchestral and
>>percussion libraries.
>>
>>I have thought about getting the East West Bosendorfer 290, but it's a
>>standalone. (I have heard this........it is scary realistic)
>>
>>I have also thought about The Grand from Steinberg, but again this is a
>>standalone.
>>
>>I have also thought about getting the Gold Orchestral Bundle from East
West,
>>but again, that's a standalone.
>>
>>I would like to have the NI B-4 as well.
>>
>>Soooo........my question is, given the needs set out above, could I possibly
>>fullfill these by purchasing Halion or Kontact and then just buying library
>>CD's?
>>
>>Would this be the most cost effective and flexible way to go about this
>or
>>am I going to get a quantum leap in quality by going with a standalone
which
>>is tied to it's own special host (I notice Kompact hosts the Bosendorfer
>and
>>the E-W Orchestral)
>>
>>Anyone's experiences would be welcome.
>>
>>TIA and Merry Christmas y'all
>>
>>:o)
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've got the SPL hardware unit. It's very transparent. I prefer it to any
>de-esser plugins I've tried.
>
Are you using this while tracking, during mixdown, or are you doing corrections
and then rendering a corrected track? ThanksYou gotta hear this.........
There is a new kind of synthesizer called Synful Orchestra that is
smart about articulations -- runs, legato, detache etc. You can hear it at
www.synful.com. There are examples of Rite of Spring, Beethoven
String Quartet and others, using this synth. You can listen to these on the
site. Sounds pretty amazing. One thing that such a PITA about sampled
instruments is the amount of tweaking necessary to *humanize* it.
;o)
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:43b00d32$1@linux...
>
>
> I have a tune ready for production in a few weeks.
> It calls for really great strings, my k2000 aint gonna do it.
> Would one of these progs be the way to go for that too?
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Hi Thad,
> >
> >Thanks for the feedback. I have been scouring the net for options here.
> I
> >have found that though I can be quite happy with the patches in my
Ensoniq
> >MR Rack, the *real* piano players around here *must* have something like
> the
> >290 Bosendorfer or some kind of monster Gigapiano setup and would really
> >prefer to have a rough given to them and then they want to take it home
> and
> >perform it on *their* sequencer with *their* favorite software, on
*their*
> >keyboard. That's an issue sometimes because the producer is usually
*here*
> >not *their*........errrr.........there ;o) and we need to have the
producer
> >involved in what's being played rather than the keyboard player making
all
> >of the decisions. I have been marginally successful getting a keyboardist
> to
> >even play my MAudio Keystation 88, but I thnk that can be overcome.
Having
> >heard the Bosendorfer 290, I'm leaning toward that. Nice Kompact
interface,
> >2 G of samples, excellent sound..............but........I've heard some
> >raves about the Ivory VSTi. This has 9 G of samples of both a Bosendorfer
> >and a Steinway. for about $120.00 more than the 290. I'm just wondering
> how
> >*SX friendly* it is as far as memopry management goes. I've got 2 G now
> and
> >will be installing another G PDQ. Maybe I should get 2G more instead of
> >just 1G. (sigh)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >DJ
> >
> >
> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43adee67$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hey Deej,
> >>
> >> Remember Derek, the German PARIS geek? He turned me on to VSampler
which
> >> I still use even though I have Kontakt and Halion installed on my audio
> >PC.
> >> You can check it out at www.maz-sound.com and right now he's running
some
> >> specials as well. I also DO like Kontakt but for me VSampler is easier
> and
> >> quicker and it gets done what I need. It also had really super VST
effect
> >> implentation within the sampler before anyone else, though I understand
> >that
> >> Kontakt is a lot better with that now.
> >>
> >> Almost everyone has a few sounds that matter most to them. What I would
> >suggest
> >> is picking those few out for you and getting "best of breed" regardless
> of
> >> flexibility and then pick up a sampler for the rest of it. For example,
> in
> >> my music I simply could not live without Atmosphere from Spectrasonics.
> If
> >> I had to buy an iMac just to run it I would, though thanks be to Marduk
> I
> >> don't. Second up would be electric pianos and for me the NI electic
piano
> >> instrument is worth every penny even if it only does one thing. After
> that
> >> for a lot of other instruments VSampler and a decent sample library is
> >more
> >> than good enough. So it sounds to me like you should get the B4, buy
the
> >> acoustic piano instrument you like the best and then get a general
purpose
> >> sampler for the rest.
> >>
> >> One more thing, you might want to check out Komplete from NI.
> >>
> >> TCB
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host
> >program.
> >> I
> >> >have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with
> >older
> >> >programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be
> as
> >> >friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so
much.
> >> the
> >> >project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on aco
> >>
> >> ustic
> >> >instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time
> to
> >> >time.
> >> >
> >> >I have played around a little bit with older versions of Halion and
> >Kontact.
> >> >I don't really know my way around them enough to know their strong
suits.
> >> >what I need is something that has really good piano, orchestral and
> >> >percussion libraries.
> >> >
> >> >I have thought about getting the East West Bosendorfer 290, but it's
> a
> >> >standalone. (I have heard this........it is scary realistic)
> >> >
> >> >I have also thought about The Grand from Steinberg, but again this is
> a
> >> >standalone.
> >> >
> >> >I have also thought about getting the Gold Orchestral Bundle from East
> >West,
> >> >but again, that's a standalone.
> >> >
> >> >I would like to have the NI B-4 as well.
> >> >
> >> >Soooo........my question is, given the needs set out above, could I
> >possibly
> >> >fullfill these by purchasing Halion or Kontact and then just buying
> >library
> >> >CD's?
> >> >
> >> >Would this be the most cost effective and flexible way to go about
this
> >> or
> >> >am I going to get a quantum leap in quality by going with a standalone
> >which
> >> >is tied to it's own special host (I notice Kompact hosts the
Bosendorfer
> >> and
> >> >the E-W Orchestral)
> >> >
> >> >Anyone's experiences would be welcome.
> >> >
> >> >TIA and Merry Christmas y'all
> >> >
> >> >:o)
> >> >
> >> >Deej
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >Here are some comparisons. Very interesting stuff. I'm leaning toward Ivory
at the moment.
http://www.pianosamples.com/Tests/MP3/vgp%201.mp3
;o)
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43aebfa4$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Hi Gene,
> >
> >Thanks for the feedback. Having heard the EW Bosendorfer 290, I'm really
> >leaning toward that for my primary piano. I just ordered another 2G of
> >Corsair 3200c2pt unbuffered RAM for my DAW to bump it up to it's 4G
limit.
> >The Bosendorfer is sampled at 16 layers and just sounds exactly like a
piano
> >is right in the room with you. It's scary realistic.
>
> I have the PMI Bosendorfer 290 for GigaStudio and I agree that it is a
superior
> sounding sampled piano. It's wonderful for "classical" uses but it has a
> hard time in more "pop" type mixes where it seems a little distant and
mellow
> to me.
>
> I really miss running into the City to Sorcerer Sound for quick,
inexpensive
> piano sessions with a world-class setup :-(
>I got an iDog for Christmas. He's totally cool.
Merry Christmas all!
James"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I got an iDog for Christmas. He's totally cool.
>
>
>Merry Christmas all!
>
>James
In case you don't know what the iDog is.
The iDog is a little robotic dog that listens to your music and puts on
a light show and moves his ears and head to the music in time. Your clients
will totally dig he when he starts jamming out to their music. He whines,
barks and woofs. If you touch his tail he lowers his ears and growls at
you. If you press his nose he plays up to 720 musical phrases, and he barks
along with some of the tunes. He gains a personality as he listens to different
music. You can actually train him with your music.
It's cool how he picks up the rhythm of what ever style of music you play.
Sometimes he barks when the music stops. He does even more tricks, this
should keep you clients amused. You have to see him in action to really
appreciate it.
Jamesgood point!
justcron wrote:
> Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>
>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique, Yamaha
>>60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>rick wrote:
>>
>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>>>10. ;o)
>>>
>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>
>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>
>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>
>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>>>>>>weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until
>>>>>>>>Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I
>>>>>>>>know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to
>>>>>>>>exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter
>>>>>>>>what your beliefs. If you're offended, then may I at least wish you
>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels, show respect, and cherish
>>>>>>>>the people you love.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>During mixdown. I strap it across the source track as an insert while
mixing.
"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote in message
news:43b02cf3$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I've got the SPL hardware unit. It's very transparent. I prefer it to any
> >de-esser plugins I've tried.
> >
> Are you using this while tracking, during mixdown, or are you doing
corrections
> and then rendering a corrected track? ThanksIvory just purchased. I'll post up here in about 3 weeks after I finish
loading the sample library.
;oP
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43ae3443$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be a VSTi host
program.
> I
> >have played around with Kontact and Halion a little, but this was with
older
> >programs and it was a while back. I want something that is going to be as
> >friendly with Cubase SX as possible. I'm not really into synths so much.
> the
> >project work I'm going to be doing here is based more on acoustic
> >instruments and I'd like to have a nice B3 for bluesy stuff from time to
> >time.
>
> It's hard to go wrong with a good sampler like Kontakt. You can always add
> more samples libraries later. Many of the GigaStudio libraries are
available
> for Kontakt, and it generally does a good job opening patches from other
> samplers.
> Kontakt is quite powerful and surprisingly easy to use. The basic string
> library that comes with it is fine, but I don't like the standard pianos
> very much.
> I still tend to reach for Giga for Pianos and strings and MachFive or Giga
> for critical sonic use, but I recommend Kontakt as the best choice for a
> single sampler setup.
> I can't speak to Cubase integration; other then to say Kontakt works well
> in V-Stack.
>
> I sounds like you may be better off with individual VSTI plugs instead of
> a sampler, like Ivory for piano, EWQLSO Gold for strings, B4 for organ,
and
> perhaps Culture for percussion.
> What kind of percussion are you looking for?
> Gene
> The Grand.not for me.
>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe65a@linux...
> Wow, myparispro domain name expired on 12/16/2005 and is pending renewal
> or deletion.
>
> The instructions I followed had me do a fresh xp install, then the xp
> scherzo drivers, then paris, then the COE subsystem. That's basically all
> I did. Did I miss something?
>
> Thanks a lot Martin,
> John
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> have you done the install as per the latest install instructions?
>> That fixed the BSOD problem.
>> Also make sure hyperthreading is disabled
>>He sounds cool.
I got an iChick for Christmas. The iChick is a cute robotic woman
that listens to everything you say and says, "Wow!" and "That's cool!" and
wiggles her hips to your music in time. Your friends will totally dig when
she starts laughing at all their jokes too. She giggles,
smiles and dances for you. If you touch her butt she lowers her eyelids and
purrs at
you. If you press her nose she says up to 720 complimentary phrases, and
she dances
along with you favorite CDs. She gains a personality as she watches
football with you.
You can actually train her to understand what an onside kick is.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43b04abf$1@linux...
>
> I got an iDog for Christmas. He's totally cool.
>
>
> Merry Christmas all!
>
> James> You can actually train her to understand what an onside kick is.
That's only for the updated brunette mode. The original blonde didn't have
this feature and the pre-brunette, beta redhead model would take a swing at
you as she got up to change the channel so it took a while to perfect the
technology.
;o)
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message news:43b08e03@linux...
> He sounds cool.
> I got an iChick for Christmas. The iChick is a cute robotic woman
> that listens to everything you say and says, "Wow!" and "That's cool!" and
> wiggles her hips to your music in time. Your friends will totally dig
when
> she starts laughing at all their jokes too. She giggles,
> smiles and dances for you. If you touch her butt she lowers her eyelids
and
> purrs at
> you. If you press her nose she says up to 720 complimentary phrases, and
> she dances
> along with you favorite CDs. She gains a personality as she watches
> football with you.
> You can actually train her to understand what an onside kick is.
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43b04abf$1@linux...
> >
> > I got an iDog for Christmas. He's totally cool.
> >
> >
> > Merry Christmas all!
> >
> > James
>
>Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am wondering
which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
Will it sync to PARIS (thru use of the SMPTE audio file)Blechhhh.... try something else.... first.
W. Mark Wilson
"Bandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43b0c314$1@linux...
>
> Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am wondering
> which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
> I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
> Will it sync to PARIS (thru use of the SMPTE audio file)
>You gotta stop taking those pills, Bill ;>p
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message news:43b08e03@linux...
> He sounds cool.
> I got an iChick for Christmas. The iChick is a cute robotic woman
> that listens to everything you say and says, "Wow!" and "That's cool!" and
> wiggles her hips to your music in time. Your friends will totally dig
> when
> she starts laughing at all their jokes too. She giggles,
> smiles and dances for you. If you touch her butt she lowers her eyelids
> and purrs at
> you. If you press her nose she says up to 720 complimentary phrases, and
> she dances
> along with you favorite CDs. She gains a personality as she watches
> football with you.
> You can actually train her to understand what an onside kick is.
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43b04abf$1@linux...
>>
>> I got an iDog for Christmas. He's totally cool.
>>
>>
>> Merry Christmas all!
>>
>> James
>
>The "industry" standard is Avid...the preferred standard is Final Cut Pro,
and the "Audio" standard is Vegas 6.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.n.o.s.p.a.m.net> wrote in message
news:43b0c9fd@linux...
> Blechhhh.... try something else.... first.
> W. Mark Wilson
>
> "Bandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43b0c314$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am wondering
>> which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
>> I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
>> Will it sync to PARIS (thru use of the SMPTE audio file)
>>
>
>........what could be simpler?
;o)
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:43b0dad3$1@linux...
> The "industry" standard is Avid...the preferred standard is Final Cut Pro,
> and the "Audio" standard is Vegas 6.
>
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.n.o.s.p.a.m.net> wrote in message
> news:43b0c9fd@linux...
> > Blechhhh.... try something else.... first.
> > W. Mark Wilson
> >
> > "Bandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43b0c314$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am
wondering
> >> which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
> >> I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
> >> Will it sync to PARIS (thru use of the SMPTE audio file)
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Hello guys !!
I wish you bunch of joy, happiness, health, love and
of course, good job and bucks!!!
And, less bugs, charshed projects, assertion fails,
bad music, computers and microsoft...
....and I wish a Paris V4.0 becomes a reality!!!
Cheers!
Suad Cokljat
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>beta redhead model would take a swing at
>you as she got up to change the channel
ROTLF!!!! Hehehe, oh gosh... that's funny.
Cheers,
Kim.man, not too greedy and honest too...what a disappointment...
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:57:12 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>good point!
>
>justcron wrote:
>> Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>>
>>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique, Yamaha
>>>60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
>>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>
>>>rick wrote:
>>>
>>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>>>>10. ;o)
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>>
>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>>>>>>>weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until
>>>>>>>>>Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I
>>>>>>>>>know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to
>>>>>>>>>exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter
>>>>>>>>>what your beliefs. If you're offended, then may I at least wish you
>>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels, show respect, and cherish
>>>>>>>>>the people you love.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>and to you too. we had that kind of snow here till christmas eve when
the rain came and the 2 feet of december snow turned into...april
muck.
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:51:33 +0100, "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
>Hello guys !!
>
>I wish you bunch of joy, happiness, health, love and
>of course, good job and bucks!!!
>
>And, less bugs, charshed projects, assertion fails,
>bad music, computers and microsoft...
>...and I wish a Paris V4.0 becomes a reality!!!
>
>Cheers!
>
>Suad Cokljat
>(Read with Mexican bandito accent), "We don't got no stinikin' pills..."
Bill
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:43b0da6d$1@linux...
> You gotta stop taking those pills, Bill ;>p
>
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote in message
> news:43b08e03@linux...
>> He sounds cool.
>> I got an iChick for Christmas. The iChick is a cute robotic woman
>> that listens to everything you say and says, "Wow!" and "That's cool!"
>> and
>> wiggles her hips to your music in time. Your friends will totally dig
>> when
>> she starts laughing at all their jokes too. She giggles,
>> smiles and dances for you. If you touch her butt she lowers her eyelids
>> and purrs at
>> you. If you press her nose she says up to 720 complimentary phrases, and
>> she dances
>> along with you favorite CDs. She gains a personality as she watches
>> football with you.
>> You can actually train her to understand what an onside kick is.
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:43b04abf$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I got an iDog for Christmas. He's totally cool.
>>>
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas all!
>>>
>>> James
>>
>>
>
>What's the EMU directory thing ?
Martin Harrington wrote:
> That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
> anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
> Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>so you think justcron is gonna have em delivered this week? I can't wait !
rick wrote:
> man, not too greedy and honest too...what a disappointment...
>
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:57:12 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>
>>good point!
>>
>>justcron wrote:
>>
>>>Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique, Yamaha
>>>>60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
>>>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>rick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>>>>>10. ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings this
>>>>>>>>>>weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again until
>>>>>>>>>>Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry Christmas. I
>>>>>>>>>>know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I don't say it to
>>>>>>>>>>exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of brotherly love no matter
>>>>>>>>>>what your beliefs. If you're offended, then may I at least wish you
>>>>>>>>>>Happy Holidays. Be safe in your travels, show respect, and cherish
>>>>>>>>>>the people you love.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>73 degrees here in West Texas on Christmas Day. After seeing
that picture I can still say "Man, I'm glad I live in the
desert". I don't miss the snow one iota (although the last two
years in a row we did have snow on Christmas eve that
stuck 'til about midday on Christmas... was wondering if Mother
Nature was trying to start a new tradition here).
Hoping you all had a pleasant Christmas in whatever manner you
wished it to be - snow or no snow notwithstanding!
Neil
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>and to you too. we had that kind of snow here till christmas eve when
>the rain came and the 2 feet of december snow turned into...april
>muck.
>
>On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:51:33 +0100, "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
>
>>Hello guys !!
>>
>>I wish you bunch of joy, happiness, health, love and
>>of course, good job and bucks!!!
>>
>>And, less bugs, charshed projects, assertion fails,
>>bad music, computers and microsoft...
>>...and I wish a Paris V4.0 becomes a reality!!!
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>Suad Cokljat
>>
>Merry Christmas to you too.
Try to stay warm!
DonIf you're looking at doing this for local commercial
production, I'd say it almost doesn't matter, as long as you
can get some ass-whomping special effects as needed, becasue as long as you
can burn the spots off to a format that the TV
stations can use (Beta SP is still widely in use, but many
stations now accept DVD's), it won't matter - it's not as if
you'll be swapping work from your facility to another. If
you're talking about doing this to get into music videos for
local bands, then again, I don't think it matters, because the
point there will be to offer a package that's cheap enough to
make it possible for the bands to afford, from shooting to
editing.
In either case, I think you might need to consider looking
getting into the whole package, from shooting to editing;
because it's unlikely that a local production house that has
shooters will be willing to turn over part of their billing to
you for editing - unless it's under circumstances wherein they
might be jammed up with a little too much work from time to
time & they could job something out to you.
If it's the spot side of things you're thinking about, you
might check with a few local ad agencies to see what they're
paying for video work & see if it'd even be worth your time to
get into that area... that field is getting almost like audio
production, wherein there's a guy on nearly every block with a
video facility in a spare bedroom. Heck, it's getting so
affordable to get into that some car dealerships & ad agencies
even have their own in-house production studios now.
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>.......what could be simpler?
>
>;o)
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>news:43b0dad3$1@linux...
>> The "industry" standard is Avid...the preferred standard is Final Cut
Pro,
>> and the "Audio" standard is Vegas 6.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.n.o.s.p.a.m.net> wrote in message
>> news:43b0c9fd@linux...
>> > Blechhhh.... try something else.... first.
>> > W. Mark Wilson
>> >
>> > "Bandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43b0c314$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am
>wondering
>> >> which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
>> >> I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
>> >> Will it sync to PARIS (thru use of the SMPTE audio file)
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>sure man, email me your real address.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b1411c@linux...
> so you think justcron is gonna have em delivered this week? I can't wait
> !
>
> rick wrote:
>> man, not too greedy and honest too...what a disappointment...
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:57:12 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>good point!
>>>
>>>justcron wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique,
>>>>>Yamaha 60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>>>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
>>>>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>rick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>>>>>>10. ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt
>>>>>>>>>Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings
>>>>>>>>>>>this weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again
>>>>>>>>>>>until Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry
>>>>>>>>>>>Christmas. I know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of
>>>>>>>>>>>brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
>>>>>>>>>>>then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your
>>>>>>>>>>>travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>Hello all. My dad is a long time paris user, it's about time to do a
computer upgrade. We have been trying out the XP drivers for a bit now and
we're pretty confident that they work well on his single CPU / single core
setup.
So, my main question is: Who out there is running Paris on multiple
processors? Are the XP drivers stable on SMP? Is setting up an SMP system
worth the added expense in terms of native plugin count / overall
performance? I know that multicore cpu's are becoming more common now and
show up to XP as two CPU's, but I'm talking about actual dual processor
machines (for instance two hyperthreading p4's or dual core opterons).
Sorry if this has been discussed a lot of times, my newsgroup client is only
pulling up 300 posts and all searches I've done on the web - based news
reader have turned up nothing about multiple cpu wintel setups.
Nathanit's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where the
Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
Rod
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>
>Martin Harrington wrote:
>> That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>> anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>> Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>Paris doesn't work at all on dual processor rigs.
"Nathan Johnson" <nathan@lovetheloft.com> wrote in message
news:43b15603@linux...
> Hello all. My dad is a long time paris user, it's about time to do a
> computer upgrade. We have been trying out the XP drivers for a bit now
and
> we're pretty confident that they work well on his single CPU / single core
> setup.
>
> So, my main question is: Who out there is running Paris on multiple
> processors? Are the XP drivers stable on SMP? Is setting up an SMP
system
> worth the added expense in terms of native plugin count / overall
> performance? I know that multicore cpu's are becoming more common now and
> show up to XP as two CPU's, but I'm talking about actual dual processor
> machines (for instance two hyperthreading p4's or dual core opterons).
> Sorry if this has been discussed a lot of times, my newsgroup client is
only
> pulling up 300 posts and all searches I've done on the web - based news
> reader have turned up nothing about multiple cpu wintel setups.
>
> Nathan
>
>BTW, Final Cut Pro now includes Soundtrack Pro for audio-for-video
production. It integrates with FCP.
The current version of Logic syncs to quicktime movies (easy to get from
FCP). MOTU's Digital Performer now supports multiple quicktime movies
and includes an updated "Find Tempo" feature for scoring to picture.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Martin Harrington wrote:
> The "industry" standard is Avid...the preferred standard is Final Cut Pro,
> and the "Audio" standard is Vegas 6.
>
-- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com "W. Mark Wilson"
<wmarkwilson@verizon.n.o.s.p.a.m.net> wrote in message
news:43b0c9fd@linux...
>> Blechhhh.... try something else.... first.
>> W. Mark Wilson
>>
>> "Bandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43b0c314$1@linux...
>
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am
wondering
>>>> which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
>>>> I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
>>>> Will it sync to PARISo in other words, even on dual-core processors you have to disable SMP
altogether?
Nathan
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b15d93@linux...
> Paris doesn't work at all on dual processor rigs.
>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got any
new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's and
a D6! Yahoo!
Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
TonyA belated Merry Christmas to everyone! Just getting back to
the group after all the Christmas madness! :-)
Gene pretty much nailed it with a post a while back, the
Bosie' would be fine for classical stuff. Having a multi
sample library would give you more options. My personal
taste leans to the Bosie' for Classical, a Steinway for
light Jazz or A/C, and a Yamaha C7 for Rock, Pop and
Country. Not to say that others might not work well, but
that is generally what I lean towards. We only have a C7 in
the studio, so I have to be really careful with mic'ing for
Classical stuff. Otherwise it's rea
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lly up to the player as
to the texture they can get out of a real piano.
my $02.
David.
DJ wrote:
> Ivory just purchased. I'll post up here in about 3 weeks
> after I finish loading the sample library.
>
> ;oP
>
> "gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in
> message news:43ae3443$1@linux...
>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>> One of my Christmas presents to myself is going to be
>>> a VSTi host
>
> program.
>Hey,
It really doesn't pay to get a super screaming machine for
Paris... the only thing you will gain is higher native
plugin counts. Paris itself runs quite happily on the
single processor machines of 2 - 3 years ago. One album I
did in 2001 on a 5 card Paris rig hit 64 tracks with quite a
few plugs... all running on a PII-450 / WinME. Never had a
single glitch the whole time.
Paris will only run on single CPU machine AFAIK (but I could
be mistaken)... even if you disable SMP I don't think Paris
would be very happy.
David.
Nathan Johnson wrote:
> So in other words, even on dual-core processors you have to disable SMP
> altogether?
>
> Nathan
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43b15d93@linux...
>
>>Paris doesn't work at all on dual processor rigs.
>>
>
>
>Dave, thanks for the reply. As for his setup, he's wanting to run a bunch
of Waves native plugins. True Verb just kills his current rig (Athlon XP
1.2). On the one hand, it might not be the worst idea for him to move to
some other recording system at this point. On the other, he's used to Paris
and it was hard enough to get him into the whole idea of recording on a
computer in the first place, I'm not sure moving to an all-native system
would be a good idea. But he loves Waves, and currently he's running into
limitations with his current rig. And I don't think I can talk him into
shelling out for a full blown PT HD rig at this point, even though that
would probably be ideal for what he's wanting to do. So Paris running with
native Waves for now. So I guess go with as fast of a single CPU setup as
possible?
Nathan
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:43b18c0b$1@linux...
> Hey,
>
> It really doesn't pay to get a super screaming machine for
> Paris... the only thing you will gain is higher native
> plugin counts. Paris itself runs quite happily on the
> single processor machines of 2 - 3 years ago. One album I
> did in 2001 on a 5 card Paris rig hit 64 tracks with quite a
> few plugs... all running on a PII-450 / WinME. Never had a
> single glitch the whole time.
>
> Paris will only run on single CPU machine AFAIK (but I could
> be mistaken)... even if you disable SMP I don't think Paris
> would be very happy.
>
> David.
>
> Nathan Johnson wrote:
>
> > So in other words, even on dual-core processors you have to disable SMP
> > altogether?
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:43b15d93@linux...
> >
> >>Paris doesn't work at all on dual processor rigs.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Get into a good reliable P2.6 to P3.4 (or AMD equiv) single
processor rig and install at least 2G RAM... that should be
sufficient to run True Verb well. If you don't need MIDI,
VSTi or compatibility with other studios, then there is no
real reason to move away from Paris. We just build a
Nuendo/DM2000 set-up but we still have a 5 card Paris rig
tied in... sounds way too good to let go. We will probably
end up using Paris as more of a summing bus for Nuendo, but
I still can move faster on Paris for editing and mixing.
David.
Nathan Johnson wrote:
> Dave, thanks for the reply. As for his setup, he's wanting to run a bunch
> of Waves native plugins. True Verb just kills his current rig (Athlon XP
> 1.2). On the one hand, it might not be the worst idea for him to move to
> some other recording system at this point. On the other, he's used to Paris
> and it was hard enough to get him into the whole idea of recording on a
> computer in the first place, I'm not sure moving to an all-native system
> would be a good idea. But he loves Waves, and currently he's running into
> limitations with his current rig. And I don't think I can talk him into
> shelling out for a full blown PT HD rig at this point, even though that
> would probably be ideal for what he's wanting to do. So Paris running with
> native Waves for now. So I guess go with as fast of a single CPU setup as
> possible?
>
> Nathan
>
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:43b18c0b$1@linux...
>
>>Hey,
>>
>>It really doesn't pay to get a super screaming machine for
>>Paris... the only thing you will gain is higher native
>>plugin counts. Paris itself runs quite happily on the
>>single processor machines of 2 - 3 years ago. One album I
>>did in 2001 on a 5 card Paris rig hit 64 tracks with quite a
>>few plugs... all running on a PII-450 / WinME. Never had a
>>single glitch the whole time.
>>
>>Paris will only run on single CPU machine AFAIK (but I could
>>be mistaken)... even if you disable SMP I don't think Paris
>>would be very happy.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Nathan Johnson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So in other words, even on dual-core processors you have to disable SMP
>>>altogether?
>>>
>>>Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>news:43b15d93@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Paris doesn't work at all on dual processor rigs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>Thanks for that view of your part of the world... Best wishes for a
great New Year -- Chas (on the mild Central California coast)
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:51:33 +0100, "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
>Hello guys !!
>
>I wish you bunch of joy, happiness, health, love and
>of course, good job and bucks!!!
>
>And, less bugs, charshed projects, assertion fails,
>bad music, computers and microsoft...
>...and I wish a Paris V4.0 becomes a reality!!!
>
>Cheers!
>
>Suad Cokljat
>I'm running PARIS on a dual Athlon setup with only a couple of hicups over
a very long time. I've had the occasional spontaneous restart, but they
may be related to the usb/firwire combo card that I know has caused problems
since I put it in. This restart has happened once in Windows XP and once
in Windows 98.
I don't have any C16s, and they seem to the problem with a dual setup. That
part of the driver must not be thread safe.
All the best,
Mike
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Paris doesn't work at all on dual processor rigs.
>
>"Nathan Johnson" <nathan@lovetheloft.com> wrote in message
>news:43b15603@linux...
>> Hello all. My dad is a long time paris user, it's about time to do a
>> computer upgrade. We have been trying out the XP drivers for a bit now
>and
>> we're pretty confident that they work well on his single CPU / single
core
>> setup.
>>
>> So, my main question is: Who out there is running Paris on multiple
>> processors? Are the XP drivers stable on SMP? Is setting up an SMP
>system
>> worth the added expense in terms of native plugin count / overall
>> performance? I know that multicore cpu's are becoming more common now
and
>> show up to XP as two CPU's, but I'm talking about actual dual processor
>> machines (for instance two hyperthreading p4's or dual core opterons).
>> Sorry if this has been discussed a lot of times, my newsgroup client is
>only
>> pulling up 300 posts and all searches I've done on the web - based news
>> reader have turned up nothing about multiple cpu wintel setups.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>
>As does Nuendo, but if you use Vegas 6, everything can be done in the same
program.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43b160e0$1@linux...
>
> BTW, Final Cut Pro now includes Soundtrack Pro for audio-for-video
> production. It integrates with FCP.
>
> The current version of Logic syncs to quicktime movies (easy to get from
> FCP). MOTU's Digital Performer now supports multiple quicktime movies and
> includes an updated "Find Tempo" feature for scoring to picture.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> The "industry" standard is Avid...the preferred standard is Final Cut
>> Pro, and the "Audio" standard is Vegas 6.
>>
> -- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com "W. Mark Wilson"
> <wmarkwilson@verizon.n.o.s.p.a.m.net> wrote in message
> news:43b0c9fd@linux...
>
> >> Blechhhh.... try something else.... first.
> >> W. Mark Wilson
> >>
> >> "Bandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:43b0c314$1@linux...
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am
> wondering
> >>>> which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
> >>>> I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
> >>>> Will it sync to PARIhttp://www.musenet.com/files/fun1/tpxmas.htmOH, Man.....I don't know which is worse, the sting of beer as it comes out
my nose, or trying to wipe it off my monitor.
Awesome...I can picture 3 or 4 players I know doing that. What a hoot!
Rod
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.musenet.com/files/fun1/tpxmas.htmhttp://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431It's a CPU PIG!
Just tried the demo... i guess I can understand why it
potentially can be a cycle-hog (with all the variations it can
implement, etc.), but man, even just using it as a straight-
ahead VSTi, with no variations, it sucks up hella more cycles
than Battery, for example.
Neil
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Gee that does look interesting. And only $79?
>
>So how does it jam with you? I assume it listens to you somehow. Does it
>take sound inputs, or MIDI or what?
>
>I really should download the demo... ;o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>http://www.rayzoon.com/jamstix_feat.html
>>
>>This is absolutely the coolest thing since sliced bread. I've got it
>>happening right now using BDF as the sound engine, but it also has a very
>>good sounding sample set of it's own and or can be used with DFH as well.
>>Mic Cross turned me on to this about a week ago and I have become obsessed
>>with it.
>>
>>;oP
>>
>>
>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
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My drummer has a new Cubase SX based DAW and I'd like to clarify how to
render a track so I can import it into my PARIS system.
We can import files fine (example - unedited files like continuous drum
tracks)
However, looking through the Cubase manual, I have not seen the PARIS
equivalent to "Rendering a Track" so I can import small sections such as
overdubs, etc at a zero start time.
What are the steps in Cubase SX to do this?
Many thanks!
Craig M
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We can import files fine (example - unedited files like continuous drum tra=
cks) <BR>
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<BR>
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:50:43 -0500, "justcron"
<pachinko@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>sure man, email me your real address.
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b1411c@linux...
>> so you think justcron is gonna have em delivered this week? I can't wait
>> !
>>
>> rick wrote:
>>> man, not too greedy and honest too...what a disappointment...
>>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:57:12 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>good point!
>>>>
>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique,
>>>>>>Yamaha 60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>>>>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
>>>>>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>>>>>>>10. ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt
>>>>>>>>>>Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings
>>>>>>>>>>>>this weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again
>>>>>>>>>>>>until Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry
>>>>>>>>>>>>Christmas. I know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
>>>>>>>>>>>>then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>weather aside, christmas is christmas.
On 28 Dec 2005 01:09:45 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>73 degrees here in West Texas on Christmas Day. After seeing
>that picture I can still say "Man, I'm glad I live in the
>desert". I don't miss the snow one iota (although the last two
>years in a row we did have snow on Christmas eve that
>stuck 'til about midday on Christmas... was wondering if Mother
>Nature was trying to start a new tradition here).
>
>Hoping you all had a pleasant Christmas in whatever manner you
>wished it to be - snow or no snow notwithstanding!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>and to you too. we had that kind of snow here till christmas eve when
>>the rain came and the 2 feet of december snow turned into...april
>>muck.
>>
>>On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:51:33 +0100, "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello guys !!
>>>
>>>I wish you bunch of joy, happiness, health, love and
>>>of course, good job and bucks!!!
>>>
>>>And, less bugs, charshed projects, assertion fails,
>>>bad music, computers and microsoft...
>>>...and I wish a Paris V4.0 becomes a reality!!!
>>>
>>>Cheers!
>>>
>>>Suad Cokljat
>>>
>>logic pro 7.1
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
<tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got any
>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's and
>a D6! Yahoo!
>
>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>
>Tony
>send me your snail mail addy.. I'll make sure you're taken care of for the
holidays.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:63o4r1l292t5l7rhn99tho3i6b91ag5575@4ax.com...
> so, mr. greedy (me) gets nothing????
>
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:50:43 -0500, "justcron"
> <pachinko@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>
>>sure man, email me your real address.
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b1411c@linux...
>>> so you think justcron is gonna have em delivered this week? I can't
>>> wait
>>> !
>>>
>>> rick wrote:
>>>> man, not too greedy and honest too...what a disappointment...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:57:12 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>good point!
>>>>>
>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique,
>>>>>>>Yamaha 60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>>>>>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5
>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>10. ;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt
>>>>>>>>>>>Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>until Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christmas. I know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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justcron wrote:
> sure man, email me your real address.
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b1411c@linux...
>
>>so you think justcron is gonna have em delivered this week? I can't wait
>>!
>>
>>rick wrote:
>>
>>>man, not too greedy and honest too...what a disappointment...
>>>
>>>On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:57:12 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>good point!
>>>>
>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>>>>>
>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique,
>>>>>>Yamaha 60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>>>>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
>>>>>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>>>>>>>10. ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt
>>>>>>>>>>Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings
>>>>>>>>>>>>this weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again
>>>>>>>>>>>>until Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry
>>>>>>>>>>>>Christmas. I know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
>>>>>>>>>>>>then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>gotcha, thanks
Rod Lincoln wrote:
> it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where the
> Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
> version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
> Rod
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>
>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>
>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>
>
>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>
>
>So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also have
an issue woth closing paris.
I have to turn my comp off at the button.
Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
thanks
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>gotcha, thanks
>
>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>> it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where
the
>> Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
>> version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>> Rod
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>
>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>
>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>>
>>
>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years after
a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their hardware
costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of a
laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon to be
delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly dubious
is
######################################
The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming between
Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
only in Apple systems.
#####################################
It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that it
uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else does,
or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point of
Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware end,
and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money for
a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
use it.
Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it be
to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing people?
I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been playing
by the rules.
TCBAnother way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
two lines that seems to be helping both.
BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
you really want is a Linux box.
How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run as
nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as a
native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
Intel OSX?
http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
interesting:
http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
TCB wrote:
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>
>
> Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years after
> a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
> manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
> market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
> The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their hardware
> costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of a
> laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon to be
> delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly dubious
> is
>
> ######################################
> The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming between
> Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
> be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
> only in Apple systems.
> #####################################
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that it
> uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else does,
> or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point of
> Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware end,
> and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money for
> a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
> unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
> use it.
>
> Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it be
> to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing people?
> I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been playing
> by the rules.
>
> TCB
>One more:
http://www.vvi.com/whitepapers/macintel.html
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
> strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
> around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
> two lines that seems to be helping both.
>
> BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
> you really want is a Linux box.
>
> How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
> Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>
> From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>
> "Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
> Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run as
> nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
> Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as a
> native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
> cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
> type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
> and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
> compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
> some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
> also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
> compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
> fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
> modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>
> OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
> Intel OSX?
>
> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
> http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
> http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
> http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
> interesting:
> http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>
>
> TCB wrote:
>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>
>>
>>
>> Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>> years after
>> a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>> computer
>> manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>> enviable
>> market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>> The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>> hardware
>> costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of a
>> laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>> to be
>> delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>> dubious
>> is
>>
>> ######################################
>> The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>> between
>> Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
>> be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
>> only in Apple systems.
>> #####################################
>>
>> It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
>> that it
>> uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>> else does,
>> or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>> point of
>> Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>> end,
>> and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money for
>> a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
>> unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
>> use it.
>> Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it be
>> to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>> people?
>> I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>> playing
>> by the rules.
>>
>> TCB
>>Since people are looking at Apple/Intel, there's a story on Tomshardware about
the new 65 nm multi-core Pentiums. Intel has been having their monopolist
booty handed to them for over a year now by AMD, and it looks like they'll
at least pull even with these chips. Also if the fabs work well they'll get
more chips per wafer so higher margins.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/28/intels_65_nm_process_ breathes_fire_into_double_core_extreme_edition/
Without overclocking the top flight Intel and AMD processors look to be about
a dead heat now. The Intel seems to have more overclocking headroom though.
TCBAs far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same logic
I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you living.
I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm a computer
tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles I'm
still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent. By this
logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is, or
of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now he's
out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look like
they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car manufacturers.
Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for the
loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far as I'm
concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of profits
(not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
division.
But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer some
possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than on
PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that the
compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed code
it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior is
the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world either.
In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I buy a
laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me so I
can put Yellow Dog on it?
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>
>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>you really want is a Linux box.
>
>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>
> From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>
>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run as
>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as a
>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>
>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>Intel OSX?
>
> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>interesting:
>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>
>>
>> Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
after
>> a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
>> manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
>> market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>> The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their hardware
>> costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of
a
>> laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon to
be
>> delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly dubious
>> is
>>
>> ######################################
>> The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
between
>> Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
>> be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
>> only in Apple systems.
>> #####################################
>>
>> It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that
it
>> uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else
does,
>> or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
of
>> Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
end,
>> and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
for
>> a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
>> unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
>> use it.
>>
>> Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it
be
>> to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
people?
>> I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been playing
>> by the rules.
>>
>> TCB
>>Nice!
I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with Cubase LE,
so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have to
update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
Tony
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
> logic pro 7.1
>
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got any
>>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's
>>and
>>a D6! Yahoo!
>>
>>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>>
>>Tony
>>
>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
their thing.
Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
Should be an interesting month.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same logic
> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you living.
> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm a computer
> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles I'm
> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent. By this
> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is, or
> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now he's
> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look like
> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>
> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car manufacturers.
> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for the
> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far as I'm
> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of profits
> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
> division.
>
> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer some
> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than on
> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that the
> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed code
> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior is
> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world either.
>
>
> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>
>
> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I buy a
> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me so I
> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>
>
>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>
>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>
>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>
>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>
>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run as
>
>
>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>
>
>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as a
>
>
>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>
>
>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>
>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>Intel OSX?
>>
>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>interesting:
>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>
>>>
>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
>
> after
>
>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their hardware
>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of
>
> a
>
>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon to
>
> be
>
>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly dubious
>>>is
>>>
>>>######################################
>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>
> between
>
>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>#####################################
>>>
>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that
>
> it
>
>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else
>
> does,
>
>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
>
> of
>
>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>
> end,
>
>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>
> for
>
>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
>>>use it.
>>>
>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it
>
> be
>
>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>
> people?
>
>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been playing
>>>by the rules.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>
>Hello all,
Hope you all had or are having a great holiday!
I am considering purchasing a Rode K2 tube mic but am also looking at the
SE Electronics Z5600A. I've used the K2 before but not the SE product. The
intent is primarily male vocals and acoustic guitar.
Any experience with these? Your advice is VERY much appreciated.
Mappy New Year!
MarkMark,
I have a Rode NTK tube mic that I like very much, but from what I've heard
from DJ and Morgan, the SE mics are phenomenal performers. You can hear some
mp3 recording examples by going to:
http://www.mercysakes.com/paris/Doug%20Joyce/
and listening to some of the mic shootouts and other examples. The "read me"
files tell you what mics are what.
Anyway, I'm sure Deej will agree that the SE would be a very good choice.
They're certainly on my list.
Tony
"Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
news:43b2d7e3$1@linux...
>
> Hello all,
>
> Hope you all had or are having a great holiday!
>
> I am considering purchasing a Rode K2 tube mic but am also looking at the
> SE Electronics Z5600A. I've used the K2 before but not the SE product. The
> intent is primarily male vocals and acoustic guitar.
>
> Any experience with these? Your advice is VERY much appreciated.
>
> Mappy New Year!
>
> MarkHey everybody!! Question:
Is anyone running ProTools LE on their Paris machine? I think I just resolved
a PAris conflict by un-installing PT LE..Any advice.ThanksIf you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you a
machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about it.
Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or another
which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi company
they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes tires
I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to get
my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do exactly
that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on my
list of battles to fight.
However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so I'll
get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>their thing.
>
>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>Should be an interesting month.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same logic
>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you living.
>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
a computer
>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
I'm
>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent. By
this
>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
or
>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now he's
>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look like
>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>
>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car manufacturers.
>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
the
>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far as
I'm
>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of
profits
>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>> division.
>>
>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer some
>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than
on
>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that the
>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
code
>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
is
>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world either.
>>
>>
>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>>
>>
>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I buy
a
>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me so
I
>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>
>>
>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>
>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>
>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>
>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>
>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
as
>>
>>
>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>
>>
>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as
a
>>
>>
>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>>
>>
>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>
>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>Intel OSX?
>>>
>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>>interesting:
>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
>>
>> after
>>
>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their hardware
>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
to
>>
>> be
>>
>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
dubious
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>######################################
>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>
>> between
>>
>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
may
>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>#####################################
>>>>
>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else
>>
>> does,
>>
>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>
>> end,
>>
>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>
>> for
>>
>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
>>>>use it.
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it
>>
>> be
>>
>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>
>> people?
>>
>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been playing
>>>>by the rules.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>
>>The Microsoft OEM agreement makes no sense from a consumer or legal
standpoint, true. To have an OS manufacturer controlling what separate
computer hardware companies charge for is not right.
Apple is a different animal because they supply the whole box, hardware
and software. We can disagree with their choice, but it is their choice
to make.
I don't know of any operating system that couldn't be attacked as
"performance robbing," since every design is a compromise on some level.
None are perfect. Some are better than others, though. Certainly for
media production you cannot legitimately claim that OSX is mediocre,
it's not. Nor could you say Linux is mediocre for server software.
However you can say both could be better in their strong areas and in
their weak areas, because they always can be. And with every release
they have been.
Congrats on the new laptop.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you a
> machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
> Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
> wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about it.
> Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or another
> which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>
> Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi company
> they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
> performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes tires
> I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to get
> my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do exactly
> that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on my
> list of battles to fight.
>
> However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so I'll
> get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
>
>
>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>
>
>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>their thing.
>>
>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>Should be an interesting month.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same logic
>>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you living.
>>>I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>
> a computer
>
>>>tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>
> I'm
>
>>>still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent. By
>
> this
>
>>>logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
>>>they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>
> or
>
>>>of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now he's
>>>out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>>>could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look like
>>>they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>
>>>As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car manufacturers.
>>>Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>
> the
>
>>>loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far as
>
> I'm
>
>>>concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of
>
> profits
>
>>>(not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>>>division.
>>>
>>>But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer some
>>>possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than
>
> on
>
>>>PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
>>>against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that the
>>>compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
>>>wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>
> code
>
>>>it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>
> is
>
>>>the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world either.
>>>
>>>
>>>In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
>>>the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>>>
>>>
>>>And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I buy
>
> a
>
>>>laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me so
>
> I
>
>>>can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>
>>>
>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>
>
>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>
>
>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>
>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>
>>>
>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>
>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>
> as
>
>>>
>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as
>
> a
>
>>>
>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>>>
>>>
>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>
>
>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>
>
>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>
>
>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>
>
>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>
>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>
>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>-Jamie
>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>
>
>>>>interesting:
>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
>>>
>>>after
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their hardware
>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>
> to
>
>>>be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>
> dubious
>
>>>>>is
>>>>>
>>>>>######################################
>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>
>>>between
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>
> may
>
>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>
>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else
>>>
>>>does,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>
>>>end,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
>>>>>use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it
>>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>
>>>people?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been playing
>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>+ vs -
What's the difference?
Is there a better format?
What about burners....suggested brands?
Thanks
DonI haven't tried the SE 5600, but I think there is a comparison of it with
the Neumann U47 in the info that Morgan has posted to this site. To my ears
it sounds very close to the Gemini which I have here, which sounds very
close to the U47. When I get back into mic buying mode, I'm seriously
considering the following:
1 x Gemini (which I already have here) for all around vocal and instrument
duties.
2 x Titans (I have one here now) for solid state, multipattern use with
stereo micing capabilities.
2 x 5600's (if I like them) for multipattern tube mixs/stereo capabilities
2 x SE3's for SDC instrument mic'ing
2 x SE ribbons (hven't heard them yet, but given my experiences with the
Gemini, titan and SE3's, I'm thinking that they deserve a serious look)
If the 5600's and the ribbons are of the same sonic quality as the Gemini,
SE3 and Titan, I could see outfitting an entire studio with these mics for
less than the cost of one *vintage LDC*
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43b2d965@linux...
> Mark,
>
> I have a Rode NTK tube mic that I like very much, but from what I've heard
> from DJ and Morgan, the SE mics are phenomenal performers. You can hear
some
> mp3 recording examples by going to:
>
> http://www.mercysakes.com/paris/Doug%20Joyce/
>
> and listening to some of the mic shootouts and other examples. The "read
me"
> files tell you what mics are what.
>
> Anyway, I'm sure Deej will agree that the SE would be a very good choice.
> They're certainly on my list.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
> news:43b2d7e3$1@linux...
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Hope you all had or are having a great holiday!
> >
> > I am considering purchasing a Rode K2 tube mic but am also looking at
the
> > SE Electronics Z5600A. I've used the K2 before but not the SE product.
The
> > intent is primarily male vocals and acoustic guitar.
> >
> > Any experience with these? Your advice is VERY much appreciated.
> >
> > Mappy New Year!
> >
> > Mark
>
>You should bug Thad instead. He wrote the book on this..........and a very
good one I might add.
;o)
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43b2cc67@linux...
> Nice!
>
> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with Cubase
LE,
> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have to
> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
>
> Tony
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
> > logic pro 7.1
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
> > <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got
any
> >>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
> >>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's
> >>and
> >>a D6! Yahoo!
> >>
> >>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
> >>
> >>Tony
> >>
> >
>
>I was just joshin' ya Deej (wow, say that three times fast). Cubase LE looks
to be pretty simple compared to Digital Performer so I shouldn't have much
trouble. If I gradgiate up to SX, I'll look into Thad's book. Even though he
is a Mac hater! ;>) See the little emoticon Thad? That's mean's I'm joshin'
with you also.
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b306c4@linux...
> You should bug Thad instead. He wrote the book on this..........and a very
> good one I might add.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:43b2cc67@linux...
>> Nice!
>>
>> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with Cubase
> LE,
>> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have to
>> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
>> > logic pro 7.1
>> >
>> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
>> > <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got
> any
>> >>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>> >>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three
>> >>i5's
>> >>and
>> >>a D6! Yahoo!
>> >>
>> >>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>> >>
>> >>Tony
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Cubase SX3 is pertty cool. Let me know if you decide to go with it and I'll
be glad to impart what knowledge I have gleaned.thus far.
;o)
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43b308aa$1@linux...
> I was just joshin' ya Deej (wow, say that three times fast). Cubase LE
looks
> to be pretty simple compared to Digital Performer so I shouldn't have much
> trouble. If I gradgiate up to SX, I'll look into Thad's book. Even though
he
> is a Mac hater! ;>) See the little emoticon Thad? That's mean's I'm
joshin'
> with you also.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43b306c4@linux...
> > You should bug Thad instead. He wrote the book on this..........and a
very
> > good one I might add.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> > news:43b2cc67@linux...
> >> Nice!
> >>
> >> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with
Cubase
> > LE,
> >> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have
to
> >> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
> >> > logic pro 7.1
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
> >> > <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got
> > any
> >> >>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
> >> >>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three
> >> >>i5's
> >> >>and
> >> >>a D6! Yahoo!
> >> >>
> >> >>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
> >> >>
> >> >>Tony
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you
a
>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
it.
>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
another
>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>
>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi company
>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
tires
>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to get
>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do exactly
>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on my
>list of battles to fight.
>
>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so I'll
>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>
>TCB
That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not. I'll
bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or really
know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read, try
using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the Mac
guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and how
inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac bashing
and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for the
Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple Computer,
so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting our
intellect.
Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in the
personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great decisions.
Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the good
decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
Apple, a computer company.
Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more efficient
and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say Mac
OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at what???
It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
that where the computing world is going???
Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the best
OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive, user
friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow Dog/Linux
will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi media
production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user friendly
for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
regardless of what people like you say.
It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their opinion.
It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
>
>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>
>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>their thing.
>>
>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>Should be an interesting month.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
logic
>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
living.
>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>a computer
>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>I'm
>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent. By
>this
>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>or
>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now he's
>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look like
>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>
>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
manufacturers.
>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>the
>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
as
>I'm
>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of
>profits
>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>>> division.
>>>
>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer some
>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than
>on
>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
the
>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>code
>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>is
>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world either.
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>>>
>>>
>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I buy
>a
>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me so
>I
>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>
>>>
>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>
>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>
>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>
>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>
>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>
>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>as
>>>
>>>
>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as
>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>>>
>>>
>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>
>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>
>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>
>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>
>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>
>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>
>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>
>>>>interesting:
>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is rea
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n it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon to be
> delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
> dubious
> is
>
> ######################################
> The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
> between
> Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
> be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
> only in Apple systems.
> #####################################
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that it
> uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else
> does,
> or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point of
> Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
> end,
> and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money for
> a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
> unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
> use it.
>
> Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it be
> to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
> people?
> I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
> playing
> by the rules.
>
> TCB
>James wrote..
>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
Apple, a computer company. <<
Is that true?
Would've thought there were more iPods than Macs.
BTW, lets keep this thread civil, huh?
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43b317ba$1@linux...
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you
> a
>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
> it.
>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
> another
>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>
>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>>company
>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
> tires
>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to get
>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do
>>exactly
>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on my
>>list of battles to fight.
>>
>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so
>>I'll
>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>
>>TCB
>
>
> That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not. I'll
> bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
> washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
> really
> know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
> try
> using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the Mac
> guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and how
> inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
> bashing
> and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
> the
> Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
> Computer,
> so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting our
> intellect.
>
> Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in the
> personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
> credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
> decisions.
> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the good
> decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
> using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
> Apple, a computer company.
>
> Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
> efficient
> and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
> Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say Mac
> OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
> You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
> what???
> It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
> that where the computing world is going???
>
> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the best
> OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive, user
> friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
> systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
> your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
> Dog/Linux
> will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
> media
> production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
> friendly
> for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>
> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
> regardless of what people like you say.
>
> It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
> opinion.
>
> It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>
>
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
>>
>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>
>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>their thing.
>>>
>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
> logic
>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
> living.
>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>a computer
>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>I'm
>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent. By
>>this
>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>>>> where
>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>or
>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>>> he's
>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>>>> (M$oft
>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>>> like
>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
> manufacturers.
>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>the
>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
> as
>>I'm
>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of
>>profits
>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>> electronics
>>>> division.
>>>>
>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>>> some
>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than
>>on
>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>>>> argue
>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
> the
>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>>>> Apple
>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>code
>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>is
>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>> through
>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I buy
>>a
>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me so
>>I
>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>
>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>
>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>
>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>
>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>
>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>>as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run as
>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>processing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>
>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>
>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>
>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>
>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>
>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>
>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>
>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>>>>>>years
>>>>
>>>> after
>>>>
>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>>>>>>enviable
>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
> hardware
>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
> of
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>to
>>>>
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>dubious
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>
>>>> between
>>>>
>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>may
>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>>>>>appear
>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
>>>>>>that
>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>>>>>else
>>>>
>>>> does,
>>>>
>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>>>>>>point
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>
>>>> end,
>>>>
>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
> sense
>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
> geeks
>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it
>>>>
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>
>>>> people?
>>>>
>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
> playing
>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Cool beans DJ.
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b3155e$1@linux...
> Cubase SX3 is pertty cool. Let me know if you decide to go with it and
> I'll
> be glad to impart what knowledge I have gleaned.thus far.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:43b308aa$1@linux...
>> I was just joshin' ya Deej (wow, say that three times fast). Cubase LE
> looks
>> to be pretty simple compared to Digital Performer so I shouldn't have
>> much
>> trouble. If I gradgiate up to SX, I'll look into Thad's book. Even though
> he
>> is a Mac hater! ;>) See the little emoticon Thad? That's mean's I'm
> joshin'
>> with you also.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:43b306c4@linux...
>> > You should bug Thad instead. He wrote the book on this..........and a
> very
>> > good one I might add.
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>> > "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>> > news:43b2cc67@linux...
>> >> Nice!
>> >>
>> >> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with
> Cubase
>> > LE,
>> >> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have
> to
>> >> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
>> >>
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
>> >> > logic pro 7.1
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
>> >> > <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone
>> >> >>got
>> > any
>> >> >>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a
>> >> >>Focusrite
>> >> >>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three
>> >> >>i5's
>> >> >>and
>> >> >>a D6! Yahoo!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Tony
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Thanks guys!
btw, snow is still falling... Well, few more days and
there will be "crisis in Croatia" hedline at CNN... ;-)
Suad
"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
news:6g43r1tlqvpkb7ql1cj58pbl8qbns0mgmd@4ax.com...
>
>
> Thanks for that view of your part of the world... Best wishes for a
> great New Year -- Chas (on the mild Central California coast)
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:51:33 +0100, "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
>
> >Hello guys !!
> >
> >I wish you bunch of joy, happiness, health, love and
> >of course, good job and bucks!!!
> >
> >And, less bugs, charshed projects, assertion fails,
> >bad music, computers and microsoft...
> >...and I wish a Paris V4.0 becomes a reality!!!
> >
> >Cheers!
> >
> >Suad Cokljat
> >
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>James wrote..
>
>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>Apple, a computer company. <<
>
>Is that true?
>Would've thought there were more iPods than Macs.
>
>BTW, lets keep this thread civil, huh?
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Every time there is any post about Apple or
Mac OSX the bashing starts from people that don't use Macs. It's getting
uncivil. Some of the people here have chosen Macs as there platform of choice.
Mac bashing is down right insulting to some of us, and it's getting old!
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43b317ba$1@linux...
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you
>> a
>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>> it.
>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
>> another
>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>
>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>>>company
>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>> tires
>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to
get
>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do
>>>exactly
>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on
my
>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>
>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so
>>>I'll
>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>>
>> That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
I'll
>> bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>> washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>> really
>> know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>> try
>> using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
Mac
>> guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
how
>> inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>> bashing
>> and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>> the
>> Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>> Computer,
>> so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
our
>> intellect.
>>
>> Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
the
>> personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>> credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>> decisions.
>> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the good
>> decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
>> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>> using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>> Apple, a computer company.
>>
>> Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>> efficient
>> and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
>> Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
Mac
>> OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>> You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
>> what???
>> It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>> that where the computing world is going???
>>
>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
best
>> OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
user
>> friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>> systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>> your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>> Dog/Linux
>> will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>> media
>> production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>> friendly
>> for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>
>> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>> regardless of what people like you say.
>>
>> It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>> opinion.
>>
>> It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
OS,
>>>
>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>
>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>their thing.
>>>>
>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>> logic
>>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>> living.
>>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>>a computer
>>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>I'm
>>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
By
>>>this
>>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>>>>> where
>>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>>or
>>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>>>> he's
>>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>>>>> (M$oft
>>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>>>> like
>>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>> manufacturers.
>>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>>the
>>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>> as
>>>I'm
>>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
of
>>>profits
>>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>> electronics
>>>>> division.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>>>> some
>>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
than
>>>on
>>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>>>>> argue
>>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>> the
>>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>>>>> Apple
>>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>>code
>>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>>is
>>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>>>> either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>>> through
>>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>>> environment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I
buy
>>>a
>>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
so
>>>I
>>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
a
>>
>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>>
>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>>
>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
as
>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>processing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>
>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>
>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>>
>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>
>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>
>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>>
>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>>
>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>>>>>>>years
>>>>>
>>>>> after
>>>>>
>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>>>>>>>enviable
>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>> hardware
>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>dubious
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>>
>>>>> between
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>may
>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>>>>>>appear
>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>>>>>>else
>>>>>
>>>>> does,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>>>>>>>point
>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>>
>>>>> end,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>> sense
>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
>> geeks
>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
it
>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>>
>>>>> people?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>> playing
>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Treated myself to a new Taylor 355ce. It is awesome! I must say, however,
that I played a couple of them and there was definitely a sonic difference
between each. I've course, I got the best one - and at $250 lower than Musician's
Friend!
Now, about that tube microphone...
Mark
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got any
>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's
and
>a D6! Yahoo!
>
>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>
>Tony
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>TCB wrote...
>
> "and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public."
>
>I don't think that's quite accurate any more...Apple are under investigation
>here, (Oz), for faulty ipods, Broken screens, DOA etc, and not honouring
the
>warranties.
>I'm sure they have the same problem in the US.
>Also the sound quality is inferior to many of it's competitors, (cheaper
>ones at that.)
>They just happen to have major marketing hype.
>it must work, iPods were the Xmas gift of choice here.
>There's going to be a lot of disappointed kids out there.
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
First, that is old news! The first shipments were bad. Apple is a good
company, I'm sure they will resolve any issues with iPod that are under warranty.
All electronics manufactures have some defective products, it's news because
Apple is in the lime light right now. As far as the sound quality I don't
know, did you try all the iPod models and compare them to all the other mp3
players? Or did you just read this some where! I'm sure something out their
sounds better. That is a cheap shot. I would have had more respect if you
had said the damned thing is too expensive.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b2a21b$1@linux...
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>
>> Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
>> after
>> a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
>> manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
>> market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>> The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>> hardware
>> costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of
a
>> laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon to
be
>> delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>> dubious
>> is
>>
>> ######################################
>> The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>> between
>> Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
>> be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would appear
>> only in Apple systems.
>> #####################################
>>
>> It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that
it
>> uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else
>> does,
>> or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
of
>> Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>> end,
>> and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
for
>> a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make sense
>> unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we geeks
>> use it.
>>
>> Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it
be
>> to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>> people?
>> I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>> playing
>> by the rules.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>
>Careful Tony - the newsgroup server might need a serious disk upgrade if Deej
decides to do an SX brain dump!
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Cubase SX3 is pertty cool. Let me know if you decide to go with it and I'll
>be glad to impart what knowledge I have gleaned.thus far.
>
>;o)
>
>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>news:43b308aa$1@linux...
>> I was just joshin' ya Deej (wow, say that three times fast). Cubase LE
>looks
>> to be pretty simple compared to Digital Performer so I shouldn't have
much
>> trouble. If I gradgiate up to SX, I'll look into Thad's book. Even though
>he
>> is a Mac hater! ;>) See the little emoticon Thad? That's mean's I'm
>joshin'
>> with you also.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:43b306c4@linux...
>> > You should bug Thad instead. He wrote the book on this..........and
a
>very
>> > good one I might add.
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>> > "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>> > news:43b2cc67@linux...
>> >> Nice!
>> >>
>> >> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with
>Cubase
>> > LE,
>> >> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have
>to
>> >> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
>> >>
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
>> >> > logic pro 7.1
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
>> >> > <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone
got
>> > any
>> >> >>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>> >> >>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three
>> >> >>i5's
>> >> >>and
>> >> >>a D6! Yahoo!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Tony
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>I don't mind criticisms of any particular equipment, computers included.
It's just gear. Sometimes criticisms are valid and useful and I learn
something, sometimes they're exaggerated and I still learn something.
Sometimes it's mostly FUD. And I may still learn something.
In any case my gear keeps doing what it does. In ten years I'll be using
something else and looking fondly back at the good old days, or laughing
about them.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>James wrote..
>>
>>
>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>
>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>>Apple, a computer company. <<
>>
>>Is that true?
>>Would've thought there were more iPods than Macs.
>>
>>BTW, lets keep this thread civil, huh?
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>
>
> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Every time there is any post about Apple or
> Mac OSX the bashing starts from people that don't use Macs. It's getting
> uncivil. Some of the people here have chosen Macs as there platform of choice.
> Mac bashing is down right insulting to some of us, and it's getting old!
>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:43b317ba$1@linux...
>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
>>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
>>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>>>
>>>it.
>>>
>>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
>>>
>>>another
>>>
>>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>>
>>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>>>>company
>>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>>>
>>>tires
>>>
>>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to
>
> get
>
>>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do
>
>
>>>>exactly
>>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on
>
> my
>
>>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>>
>>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so
>
>
>>>>I'll
>>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>>
>>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
>
> I'll
>
>>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>
>
>>>really
>>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>
>
>>>try
>>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
>
> Mac
>
>>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
>
> how
>
>>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>>>bashing
>>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>
>
>>>the
>>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>>>Computer,
>>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
>
> our
>
>>>intellect.
>>>
>>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
>
> the
>
>>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>
>
>>>decisions.
>>>Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the good
>>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>>>Apple, a computer company.
>>>
>>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>>>I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>>>efficient
>>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
>>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
>
> Mac
>
>>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
>
>
>>>what???
>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>
>>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
>
> best
>
>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>
> user
>
>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>Dog/Linux
>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>
>
>>>media
>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>friendly
>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>
>>>Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>
>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>opinion.
>>>
>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
>
> OS,
>
>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>>
>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>
>>>logic
>>>
>>>>>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>>
>>>living.
>>>
>>>>>>I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>>>
>>>>a computer
>>>>
>>>>>>tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>>
>>>>I'm
>>>>
>>>>>>still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>
> By
>
>>>>this
>>>>
>>>>>>logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>
>
>>>>>>where
>>>>>>they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>>>of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>
>
>>>>>>he's
>>>>>>out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>>>>>>(M$oft
>>>>>>could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>
>
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>>>
>>>manufacturers.
>>>
>>>>>>Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>>I'm
>>>>
>>>>>>concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
>
> of
>
>>>>profits
>>>>
>>>>>>(not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>>>electronics
>>>>>>division.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>
>
>>>>>>some
>>>>>>possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
>
> than
>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>>>>PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>
>
>>>>>>argue
>>>>>>against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>
>
>>>>>>Apple
>>>>>>wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>>>
>>>>code
>>>>
>>>>>>it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>
>
>>>>>>either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>>>>through
>>>>>>the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I
>
> buy
>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>>laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
>
> so
>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
>
> a
>
>>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>>>
>>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>>>
>>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>>>>
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
>
> as
>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>>processing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>>
>>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>>
>>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>>>
>>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>
>>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>>
>>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>>>
>>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>>>
>>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>
>
>>>>>>>>years
>>>>>>
>>>>>>after
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>
>
>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>
>
>>>>>>>>enviable
>>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>>
>>>hardware
>>>
>>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>>
>>>>dubious
>>>>
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>>>
>>>>>>between
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>>
>>>>may
>>>>
>>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>
>
>>>>>>>>appear
>>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
>
>
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>
>
>>>>>>>>else
>>>>>>
>>>>>>does,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>
>
>>>>>>>>point
>>>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>>>
>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>>>
>>>sense
>>>
>>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
>>>
>>>geeks
>>>
>>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>
> it
>
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>>
>>>playing
>>>
>>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>I don't mind criticisms of any particular equipment, computers included.
> It's just gear. Sometimes criticisms are valid and useful and I learn
>something, sometimes they're exaggerated and I still learn something.
>Sometimes it's mostly FUD. And I may still learn something.
>
>In any case my gear keeps doing what it does. In ten years I'll be using
>something else and looking fondly back at the good old days, or laughing
>about them.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
I'm with you Jamie, but there is a difference between criticisms and bashing.
The post wasn't originally about what is better than what. Everybody has
a right to their opinion, and criticisms that are on subject, but when it's
bashing at every opportunity, it gets old. First the G5 sucks it slow, then
Mac OSX sucks because it's inefficient as a network server. Then Apple sucks
as a company, they made bad decisions. Then The iPod sucks because their
5th generation iPod screen scratches easy and it sucks because even though
it sounds good and it's the number one selling mp3 player it sucks because
something out there sounds better. It's all just finding something to bash
the Mac with, even though they don't use Macs and really wouldn't know.
Everything sucks about Apple, right???
I'm a multi platform user, so I can speak to some things. I have criticisms
of Apple and the Mac, but I use it every day. I don't just run with what
somebody else said about it, then repeat the criticisms, like I know all
about it. I don't take second hand info and swear it's gospel, I know first
hand.
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>James wrote..
>>>
>>>
>>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>>
>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>>>Apple, a computer company. <<
>>>
>>>Is that true?
>>>Would've thought there were more iPods than Macs.
>>>
>>>BTW, lets keep this thread civil, huh?
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Every time there is any post about Apple
or
>> Mac OSX the bashing starts from people that don't use Macs. It's getting
>> uncivil. Some of the people here have chosen Macs as there platform of
choice.
>> Mac bashing is down right insulting to some of us, and it's getting
old!
>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43b317ba$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell
you
>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal
with
>>>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they
still
>>>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>>>>
>>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something
or
>>>>
>>>>another
>>>>
>>>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>>>>>company
>>>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>>>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>>>>
>>>>tires
>>>>
>>>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets
to
>>
>> get
>>
>>>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can
do
>>
>>
>>>>>exactly
>>>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low
on
>>
>> my
>>
>>>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two
so
>>
>>
>>>>>I'll
>>>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
>>
>> I'll
>>
>>>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>>>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>>
>>
>>>>really
>>>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>>
>>
>>>>try
>>>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
>>
>> how
>>
>>>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>>>>bashing
>>>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>>
>>
>>>>the
>>>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>>>>Computer,
>>>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
>>
>> our
>>
>>>>intellect.
>>>>
>>>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>>>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>>
>>
>>>>decisions.
>>>>Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the
good
>>>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would
make
>>>>Apple, a computer company.
>>>>
>>>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>>>>I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>>>>efficient
>>>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't
what
>>>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but
at
>>
>>
>>>>what???
>>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
>>
>> best
>>
>>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>>
>> user
>>
>>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>>Dog/Linux
>>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>>
>>
>>>>media
>>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>>friendly
>>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>>
>>>>Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>>
>>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>>opinion.
>>>>
>>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
>>
>> OS,
>>
>>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>>>
>>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>>
>>>>logic
>>>>
>>>>>>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>>>
>>>>living.
>>>>
>>>>>>>I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now
I'm
>>>>>
>>>>>a computer
>>>>>
>>>>>>>tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm
>>>>>
>>>>>>>still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>>
>> By
>>
>>>>>this
>>>>>
>>>>>>>logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>>
>>
>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>they make a market leading product, and that's where their future
is,
>>>>>
>>>>>or
>>>>>
>>>>>>>of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>
>>
>>>>>>>he's
>>>>>>>out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>>>>>>>(M$oft
>>>>>>>could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>
>>
>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>>>>
>>>>manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders
for
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>>>
>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>>I'm
>>>>>
>>>>>>>concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>profits
>>>>>
>>>>>>>(not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>>>>electronics
>>>>>>>division.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>
>>
>>>>>>>some
>>>>>>>possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
>>
>> than
>>
>>>>>on
>>>>>
>>>>>>>PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>>
>>
>>>>>>>argue
>>>>>>>against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>>
>>
>>>>>>>Apple
>>>>>>>wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>>>>
>>>>>code
>>>>>
>>>>>>>it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>>>>
>>>>>is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>
>>
>>>>>>>either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when
I
>>
>> buy
>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
>>
>> so
>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between
the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if
what
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to
run
>>>>>
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
>>
>> as
>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>>>processing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on
the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction
and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may
find
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>enviable
>>>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>>>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>>>
>>>>hardware
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X
off
>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>>>
>>>>>dubious
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>between
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>>>
>>>>>may
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>appear
>>>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique
in
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>does,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>point
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of
money
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>>>>
>>>>sense
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than
we
>>>>
>>>>geeks
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>>>
>>>>playing
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>No big difference. Some polls have shown the -R to work in more players.
Some burners prefer one kind or other as well - my Liteon 8x didnt like
the -R till I updated the firmware and since then I have burned over 150
DVDs of both types w/o incident. You can find some information on burners,
players and media at videohelp.com and they run some user polls.
CDFreaks.com also has reviews and a large user base. Check their review of
the BenQ burners (highly touted Sony DRU series based on BenQ).
HTH, Edna
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43b2f487$1@linux...
> + vs -
>
> What's the difference?
>
>
> Is there a better format?
>
>
> What about burners....suggested brands?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
>Tony,
I've been waiting for the Saffire to be released,looks
like a pretty cool interface. How are the effects ?
respect
Nappy
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Nice!
>
>I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with Cubase
LE,
>so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have to
>update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
>
>Tony
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
>> logic pro 7.1
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got
any
>>>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>>>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's
>>>and
>>>a D6! Yahoo!
>>>
>>>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>
>
>I've heard that the error checking and other format related stuff is superior
on the + format, which is the newer of the two. Hence for backups etc I'd
be using + if you are to trust DVDs at all. Early drives are more likely
to support the - format than + generally, and this includes both household
movie DVD players as well as PC DVD drives.
It was one of those old Sony Vs the world things. + is the Sony format. They
claimed it was better and everybody would have to pay them to use it, but
people used the cheaper royalty - format instead until Sony dropped the price.
The + format does have a few advantages especially in writing DVD video off
live TV, which is near impossible to do with - disks as I understand, but
+ allowed for it in the format. For general data use there is little difference
other than the error correction schemes. How much difference this really
makes I don't really know... often if you get an error you're in trouble
regardless...
Cheers,
Kim.
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>No big difference. Some polls have shown the -R to work in more players.
>Some burners prefer one kind or other as well - my Liteon 8x didnt like
>the -R till I updated the firmware and since then I have burned over 150
>DVDs of both types w/o incident. You can find some information on burners,
>players and media at videohelp.com and they run some user polls.
>CDFreaks.com also has reviews and a large user base. Check their review
of
>the BenQ burners (highly touted Sony DRU series based on BenQ).
>HTH, Edna
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43b2f487$1@linux...
>> + vs -
>>
>> What's the difference?
>>
>>
>> Is there a better format?
>>
>>
>> What about burners....suggested brands?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>
>Neil and Thad would be the go-to guys for SX. Neil has been using it much
longer than I have and Thad literally wrote the book. My area of expertise
would be in persuading SX and Paris to perform unnatural acts together.
;o)
"Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
news:43b32347$1@linux...
>
> Careful Tony - the newsgroup server might need a serious disk upgrade if
Deej
> decides to do an SX brain dump!
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Cubase SX3 is pertty cool. Let me know if you decide to go with it and
I'll
> >be glad to impart what knowledge I have gleaned.thus far.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> >news:43b308aa$1@linux...
> >> I was just joshin' ya Deej (wow, say that three times fast). Cubase LE
> >looks
> >> to be pretty simple compared to Digital Performer so I shouldn't have
> much
> >> trouble. If I gradgiate up to SX, I'll look into Thad's book. Even
though
> >he
> >> is a Mac hater! ;>) See the little emoticon Thad? That's mean's I'm
> >joshin'
> >> with you also.
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> news:43b306c4@linux...
> >> > You should bug Thad instead. He wrote the book on this..........and
> a
> >very
> >> > good one I might add.
> >> >
> >> > ;o)
> >> >
> >> > "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:43b2cc67@linux...
> >> >> Nice!
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with
> >Cubase
> >> > LE,
> >> >> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll
have
> >to
> >> >> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
> >> >>
> >> >> Tony
> >> >>
> >> >> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
> >> >> > logic pro 7.1
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
> >> >> > <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone
> got
> >> > any
> >> >> >>new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a
Focusrite
> >> >> >>Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with
three
> >> >> >>i5's
> >> >> >>and
> >> >> >>a D6! Yahoo!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Tony
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>Well, for a start, I wouldn't say they are too expensive, because they've
been priced competitively, but I do know the iRiver products sound better,
as do some of the creative players.
Others, such as the iRiver, allow direct recording, which is a huge bonus.
The QC problems may be "old news" to the US but it's still continuing here,
so much so that Apple Aust had to come out with PR just before Xmas saying
they will honour warranties etc, something they weren't doing previously.
Respect...who knows??
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43b3224c$1@linux...
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>TCB wrote...
>>
>> "and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public."
>>
>>I don't think that's quite accurate any more...Apple are under
>>investigation
>
>>here, (Oz), for faulty ipods, Broken screens, DOA etc, and not honouring
> the
>>warranties.
>>I'm sure they have the same problem in the US.
>>Also the sound quality is inferior to many of it's competitors, (cheaper
>
>>ones at that.)
>>They just happen to have major marketing hype.
>>it must work, iPods were the Xmas gift of choice here.
>>There's going to be a lot of disappointed kids out there.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> First, that is old news! The first shipments were bad. Apple is a good
> company, I'm sure they will resolve any issues with iPod that are under
> warranty.
> All electronics manufactures have some defective products, it's news
> because
> Apple is in the lime light right now. As far as the sound quality I don't
> know, did you try all the iPod models and compare them to all the other
> mp3
> players? Or did you just read this some where! I'm sure something out
> their
> sounds better. That is a cheap shot. I would have had more respect if
> you
> had said the damned thing is too expensive.
>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b2a21b$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>
>>> Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
>
>>> after
>>> a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>>> computer
>>> manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>>> enviable
>>> market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>>> The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>> hardware
>>> costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off of
> a
>>> laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon to
> be
>>> delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>> dubious
>>> is
>>>
>>> ######################################
>>> The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>
>>> between
>>> Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies may
>>> be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>> appear
>>> only in Apple systems.
>>> #####################################
>>>
>>> It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in that
> it
>>> uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing else
>
>>> does,
>>> or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
> of
>>> Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>
>>> end,
>>> and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
> for
>>> a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>>> sense
>>> unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
>>> geeks
>>> use it.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will it
> be
>>> to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>
>>> people?
>>> I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>> playing
>>> by the rules.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>
>>
>I hear ya. I haven't gone for an iPod but the dual G5 PowerMac with OSX
and a pile of amazing media software has earned a place as a major part
of my current toolset.
Wish we still had a few more choices. Glad we still have this one.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't mind criticisms of any particular equipment, computers included.
>
>
>> It's just gear. Sometimes criticisms are valid and useful and I learn
>
>
>>something, sometimes they're exaggerated and I still learn something.
>>Sometimes it's mostly FUD. And I may still learn something.
>>
>>In any case my gear keeps doing what it does. In ten years I'll be using
>
>
>>something else and looking fondly back at the good old days, or laughing
>
>
>>about them.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
>
> I'm with you Jamie, but there is a difference between criticisms and bashing.
> The post wasn't originally about what is better than what. Everybody has
> a right to their opinion, and criticisms that are on subject, but when it's
> bashing at every opportunity, it gets old. First the G5 sucks it slow, then
> Mac OSX sucks because it's inefficient as a network server. Then Apple sucks
> as a company, they made bad decisions. Then The iPod sucks because their
> 5th generation iPod screen scratches easy and it sucks because even though
> it sounds good and it's the number one selling mp3 player it sucks because
> something out there sounds better. It's all just finding something to bash
> the Mac with, even though they don't use Macs and really wouldn't know.
> Everything sucks about Apple, right???
>
> I'm a multi platform user, so I can speak to some things. I have criticisms
> of Apple and the Mac, but I use it every day. I don't just run with what
> somebody else said about it, then repeat the criticisms, like I know all
> about it. I don't take second hand info and swear it's gospel, I know first
> hand.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>James wrote..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>>>
>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>>>>Apple, a computer company. <<
>>>>
>>>>Is that true?
>>>>Would've thought there were more iPods than Macs.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, lets keep this thread civil, huh?
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Every time there is any post about Apple
>
> or
>
>>>Mac OSX the bashing starts from people that don't use Macs. It's getting
>>>uncivil. Some of the people here have chosen Macs as there platform of
>
> choice.
>
>>> Mac bashing is down right insulting to some of us, and it's getting
>
> old!
>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43b317ba$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell
>
> you
>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal
>
> with
>
>>>>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they
>
> still
>
>>>>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>>>>>
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something
>
> or
>
>>>>>another
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>
>
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>>>>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>>>>>
>>>>>tires
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets
>
> to
>
>>>get
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can
>
> do
>
>>>
>>>>>>exactly
>>>>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low
>
> on
>
>>>my
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two
>
> so
>
>>>
>>>>>>I'll
>>>>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
>
>
>>>I'll
>>>
>>>
>>>>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>>>>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>>>
>>>
>>>>>really
>>>>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>try
>>>>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
>>>
>>>Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
>>>
>>>how
>>>
>>>
>>>>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>>>>>bashing
>>>>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>>>>>Computer,
>>>>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
>>>
>>>our
>>>
>>>
>>>>>intellect.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>>>>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>>>
>>>
>>>>>decisions.
>>>>>Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the
>
> good
>
>>>>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
>>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would
>
> make
>
>>>>>Apple, a computer company.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>>>>>I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>
>
>>>>>efficient
>>>>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't
>
> what
>
>>>>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
>>>
>>>Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>>>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but
>
> at
>
>>>
>>>>>what???
>>>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>>>
>>>>>Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
>>>
>>>best
>>>
>>>
>>>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>>>
>>>user
>>>
>>>
>>>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>>>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>>>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>>>Dog/Linux
>>>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>>>
>>>
>>>>>media
>>>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>>>friendly
>>>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>>>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>>>opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
>>>
>>>OS,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>>>
>>>>>logic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>>>>
>>>>>living.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now
>
> I'm
>
>>>>>>a computer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>>>
>>>By
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>they make a market leading product, and that's where their future
>
> is,
>
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>he's
>>>>>>>>out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>
>
>>>>>>>>(M$oft
>>>>>>>>could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>>>>>
>>>>>manufacturers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders
>
> for
>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>>>>
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>profits
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>>>>>electronics
>>>>>>>>division.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>some
>>>>>>>>possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
>>>
>>>than
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>argue
>>>>>>>>against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Apple
>>>>>>>>wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>code
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>>>>>
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when
>
> I
>
>>>buy
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
>>>
>>>so
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if
>
> what
>
>>>>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to
>
> run
>
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
>>>
>>>as
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>>>>processing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction
>
> and
>
>>>>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may
>
> find
>
>>>>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>enviable
>>>>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>>>>
>>>>>hardware
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X
>
> off
>
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>dubious
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>between
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>>>>
>>>>>>may
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>appear
>>>>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique
>
> in
>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>else
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>does,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>point
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of
>
> money
>
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>>>>>
>>>>>sense
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than
>
> we
>
>>>>>geeks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>people?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>>>>
>>>>>playing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>In case anyone's interested and not aware, Derek Bailey passed away December
25th (Christmas) in London from Lou Gehrig's disease.Hi - I saw several notes on Wormhole but going to the site it just mentioned
file transfer, or I am really missing something...how does this sync PARIS??
I hope you don't mind what is obviously an ignorant question...
And, yes, still using PARIS, got it early on when it came out. Used to hang
out here a lot but strayed away and once in a great while lurk (just to see
if PARIS 4 was released...kidding! - well I do dream).James, As someone who doesn't give a rats ass about computer platforms, I'd
like to suggest that Thad wasn't being confrontational, insulting, or derisive.
You on the other hand have just called that "brainwashed" and accused him
of not knowing shit about what he was talking about. Chill out brother,
it's just a manufactured product. It's not a religion.
-Chris
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you
>a
>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>it.
>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
>another
>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>
>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi company
>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>tires
>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to
get
>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do
exactly
>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on
my
>>list of battles to fight.
>>
>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so
I'll
>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>
>>TCB
>
>
>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not. I'll
>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or really
>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
try
>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the Mac
>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and how
>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac bashing
>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
the
>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple Computer,
>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting our
>intellect.
>
>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in the
>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great decisions.
> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the good
>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>Apple, a computer company.
>
>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more efficient
>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say Mac
>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
what???
>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>that where the computing world is going???
>
> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the best
>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive, user
>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow Dog/Linux
>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi media
>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user friendly
>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>
> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>regardless of what people like you say.
>
>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their opinion.
>
>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>
>
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
>>
>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>
>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>their thing.
>>>
>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>logic
>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>living.
>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>a computer
>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>I'm
>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
By
>>this
>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>or
>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
he's
>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
like
>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>manufacturers.
>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>the
>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>as
>>I'm
>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of
>>profits
>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>>>> division.
>>>>
>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
some
>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than
>>on
>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>the
>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>code
>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>is
>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I
buy
>>a
>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
so
>>I
>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>
>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>
>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>
>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>
>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>
>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>>as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
as
>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>
>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>
>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>
>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>
>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>
>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>
>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>
>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
>>>>
>>>> after
>>>>
>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>hardware
>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
>of
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>to
>>>>
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>dubious
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>
>>>> between
>>>>
>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>may
>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
appear
>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
that
>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
else
>>>>
>>>> does,
>>>>
>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>
>>>> end,
>>>>
>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>sense
>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
>geeks
>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
it
>>>>
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>
>>>> people?
>>>>
>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>playing
>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Nappy,
I just got it hooked up and running on my Power Book tonight, so I haven't
had much time yet to really check it all out. I did play my Parker Fly
through the guitar amp modeling FX for a while. It sounded ok, and I'm sure
with some tweaking could sound pretty good. Not in the same league with NI's
Amps Combos, but useable. I also tried the reverb a little with the Fly.
Again, ok but nothing to write home about. I'm anxious to try out the mic
pre's and compression "supposedly" based on the modeling in the Liquid
Channel. I'll let you know if it's all hype or not once I get some time to
give the thing a workout.
I'm planning on using it for some remote recording, and working on original
tunes when I'm on the go.
It did install easily and worked like expected on my Power Book.
Tony
On 12/28/05 7:54 PM, in article 43b333c1$1@linux, "Nappy"
<mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Tony,
> I've been waiting for the Saffire to be released,looks
> like a pretty cool interface. How are the effects ?
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>> Nice!
>>
>> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with Cubase
> LE,
>> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have to
>
>> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
>>> logic pro 7.1
>>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
>>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got
> any
>>>> new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>>>> Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's
>
>>>> and
>>>> a D6! Yahoo!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>
>James, As someone who doesn't give a rats ass about computer platforms,
I'd
>like to suggest that Thad wasn't being confrontational, insulting, or derisive.
> You on the other hand have just called that "brainwashed" and accused him
>of not knowing shit about what he was talking about. Chill out brother,
>it's just a manufactured product. It's not a religion.
>
>-Chris
I started a couple of threads about Mac OSX running on a PC hardware and
mac development and it is instant Mac bash fest. In effect , saying, who
in their right mind would want to run a bloated inefficient piece of crap
like Mac OSX? That is rude and insulting, about 40% of us Paris users,
use Macs. Back up and read all the posts. The threads started out about
information, not what sucks and what doesn't. It wasn't an open invitation
to bash the platform that many of us use. Nor was it meant to be the kick
off of the next Mac vs. PC wars. My post was just to inform, not to start
a bunch of shit.
Thad has a right to his opinion as do I. He stands by his opinion, and so
do I. I say he doesn't have real experience or true knowledge of current
Macs because he does not use them. I would challenge him or anybody else
to use a current Mac for a Year, then come back with their criticisms. Then
his criticisms would have merit, and wouldn't just be something he read in
an anti Mac article. May be even he would see the light after a year. The
lack of maintenance hassle, the ease of use, productivity gains and usability,
multi media capability, feature set , available software, just to name a
few. But of course he wont because Macs suck, just read what he has posted.
Chill out, sure I'll try, but the constant barrage of knocks are uncalled
for. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody that
uses a Mac.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you
>>a
>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they still
>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>>it.
>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
>>another
>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>
>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi company
>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their (apparently
>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>>tires
>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to
>get
>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do
>exactly
>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on
>my
>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>
>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so
>I'll
>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>>
>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not. I'll
>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or really
>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>try
>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
Mac
>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
how
>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac bashing
>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>the
>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple Computer,
>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
our
>>intellect.
>>
>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
the
>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great decisions.
>> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the good
>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
>> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>>Apple, a computer company.
>>
>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more efficient
>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
Mac
>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>
>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
>what???
>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>that where the computing world is going???
>>
>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
best
>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive, user
>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow Dog/Linux
>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
media
>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user friendly
>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>
>> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>
>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their opinion.
>>
>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
OS,
>>>
>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>
>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>their thing.
>>>>
>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>logic
>>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>living.
>>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>>a computer
>>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>>I'm
>>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>By
>>>this
>>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
where
>>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>>or
>>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>he's
>>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>like
>>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>>manufacturers.
>>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>>the
>>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>as
>>>I'm
>>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
of
>>>profits
>>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>>>>> division.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>some
>>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
than
>>>on
>>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
argue
>>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>>the
>>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
Apple
>>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>>code
>>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>>is
>>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
>>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I
>buy
>>>a
>>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
>so
>>>I
>>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
a
>>
>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>>
>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>>
>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>
>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
>as
>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>
>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>
>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>>
>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>
>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>
>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>>
>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>
>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>
>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>>
>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
years
>>>>>
>>>>> after
>>>>>
>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
computer
>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
enviable
>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>hardware
>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
>>of
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>dubious
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>>
>>>>> between
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>may
>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>appear
>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
>that
>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>else
>>>>>
>>>>> does,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
point
>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>>
>>>>> end,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>>sense
>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
>>geeks
>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>it
>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>>
>>>>> people?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>playing
>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>.. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
> spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
that
> uses a Mac.
..........hmmmmm........sorta' like when people say "we really like
Americans, we just don't like your government".
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43b3923d$1@linux...
>
> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
> >
> >James, As someone who doesn't give a rats ass about computer platforms,
> I'd
> >like to suggest that Thad wasn't being confrontational, insulting, or
derisive.
> > You on the other hand have just called that "brainwashed" and accused
him
> >of not knowing shit about what he was talking about. Chill out brother,
> >it's just a manufactured product. It's not a religion.
> >
> >-Chris
>
>
> I started a couple of threads about Mac OSX running on a PC hardware and
> mac development and it is instant Mac bash fest. In effect , saying, who
> in their right mind would want to run a bloated inefficient piece of crap
> like Mac OSX? That is rude and insulting, about 40% of us Paris users,
> use Macs. Back up and read all the posts. The threads started out about
> information, not what sucks and what doesn't. It wasn't an open
invitation
> to bash the platform that many of us use. Nor was it meant to be the kick
> off of the next Mac vs. PC wars. My post was just to inform, not to start
> a bunch of shit.
>
> Thad has a right to his opinion as do I. He stands by his opinion, and so
> do I. I say he doesn't have real experience or true knowledge of current
> Macs because he does not use them. I would challenge him or anybody else
> to use a current Mac for a Year, then come back with their criticisms.
Then
> his criticisms would have merit, and wouldn't just be something he read in
> an anti Mac article. May be even he would see the light after a year.
The
> lack of maintenance hassle, the ease of use, productivity gains and
usability,
> multi media capability, feature set , available software, just to name a
> few. But of course he wont because Macs suck, just read what he has
posted.
>
> Chill out, sure I'll try, but the constant barrage of knocks are uncalled
> for. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
> spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
that
> uses a Mac.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell
you
> >>a
> >>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal
with
> >>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they
still
> >>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
> >>it.
> >>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
> >>another
> >>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
> >>>
> >>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
company
> >>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their
(apparently
> >>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
> >>tires
> >>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to
> >get
> >>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do
> >exactly
> >>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on
> >my
> >>>list of battles to fight.
> >>>
> >>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so
> >I'll
> >>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
> >>>
> >>>TCB
> >>
> >>
> >>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
I'll
> >>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
> >>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
really
> >>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
> >try
> >>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
> Mac
> >>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
> how
> >>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
bashing
> >>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
> >the
> >>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
Computer,
> >>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
> our
> >>intellect.
> >>
> >>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
> the
> >>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
> >>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
decisions.
> >> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the
good
> >>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are
successful.
> >> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more
people
> >>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would
make
> >>Apple, a computer company.
> >>
> >>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
> >> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
efficient
> >>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't
what
> >>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
> Mac
> >>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
> >
> >>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
> >what???
> >>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
> >>that where the computing world is going???
> >>
> >> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
> best
> >>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
user
> >>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like
other
> >>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or
write
> >>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
Dog/Linux
> >>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
> media
> >>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
friendly
> >>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
> >>
> >> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer
company,
> >>regardless of what people like you say.
> >>
> >>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
opinion.
> >>
> >>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
> OS,
> >>>
> >>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW
company
> >>>
> >>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
> >>>>their thing.
> >>>>
> >>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>
> >>>>Should be an interesting month.
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>> -Jamie
> >>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>TCB wrote:
> >>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
> >>logic
> >>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
> >>living.
> >>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now
I'm
> >>>a computer
> >>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty
articles
> >>>I'm
> >>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
> >By
> >>>this
> >>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
> where
> >>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future
is,
> >>>or
> >>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
> >he's
> >>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
(M$oft
> >>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
> >like
> >>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
> >>manufacturers.
> >>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders
for
> >>>the
> >>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
> >>as
> >>>I'm
> >>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
> of
> >>>profits
> >>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
electronics
> >>>>> division.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
> >some
> >>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
> than
> >>>on
> >>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
> argue
> >>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
> >>the
> >>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
> Apple
> >>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD
licensed
> >>>code
> >>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently
CodeWarrior
> >>>is
> >>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
> >either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
through
> >>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
environment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I
> >buy
> >>>a
> >>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
> >so
> >>>I
> >>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TCB
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
> a
> >>
> >>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel
business
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between
the
> >>>
> >>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if
what
> >>>
> >>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
> >
> >>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>
> >>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor-it allows applications to
run
> >>>as
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run
translated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
> >as
> >>>a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
processing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
> >>
> >>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user
interaction
> >>>
> >>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
> >>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction
and
> >>>
> >>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
> >>
> >>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs
aren't
> >>>
> >>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly
compute
> >>>
> >>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
> >
> >>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
> >
> >>>>>>Intel OSX?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
> >>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
> >>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
> >>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
> >>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>> -Jamie
> >>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may
find
> >>>
> >>>>>>interesting:
> >>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>TCB wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
> years
> >>>>>
> >>>>> after
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
> computer
> >>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
> enviable
> >>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
public.
> >>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
> >>hardware
> >>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
> >>of
> >>>>>
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my
(soon
> >>>to
> >>>>>
> >>>>> be
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find
highly
> >>>dubious
> >>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>######################################
> >>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship
forming
> >>>>>
> >>>>> between
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two
companies
> >>>may
> >>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
> >appear
> >>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
> >>>>>>>#####################################
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
> >that
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
> >else
> >>>>>
> >>>>> does,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
> point
> >>>>>
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the
hardware
> >>>>>
> >>>>> end,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of
money
> >>>>>
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
> >>sense
> >>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
> >>geeks
> >>>>>>>use it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
> >it
> >>>>>
> >>>>> be
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not
marketing
> >>>>>
> >>>>> people?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
> >>playing
> >>>>>>>by the rules.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>TCB
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>.....Hmmm..... ....again, it seems to be some "religious" jammings here;-)
It seems, when seeing some kind of "the light", but looking directly into
that sun too long can make many blinded.... hmmmmm.... ...what have I wrote
here??... ...it seems more like "religious" writings from me too....
arghh... ...never mind.... ...I think I'm not that religious at all, but who
knows... ...it will allways be someone out there popping up, just knowing
this better than me... ...just like me.... hmm....it seems to be here in
"the civilization" we have these kind of rights...hmmm...it seems that Adam
needed the "Apple" to find out that Eve wanted more of his body than just to
be harmless.......hhhm ...and I think Jobs knowing this well... ...so now a
man just have to say this to a woman he wants to know better: "Lady, I have
an Apple, do you want to taste it?" ......it's just speculations here,
but....Arghhhh, never mind;-o)
erlilo
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
news:43b32e5a$1@linux...
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't mind criticisms of any particular equipment, computers included.
>
>> It's just gear. Sometimes criticisms are valid and useful and I learn
>
>>something, sometimes they're exaggerated and I still learn something.
>>Sometimes it's mostly FUD. And I may still learn something.
>>
>>In any case my gear keeps doing what it does. In ten years I'll be using
>
>>something else and looking fondly back at the good old days, or laughing
>
>>about them.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
> I'm with you Jamie, but there is a difference between criticisms and
> bashing.
> The post wasn't originally about what is better than what. Everybody has
> a right to their opinion, and criticisms that are on subject, but when
> it's
> bashing at every opportunity, it gets old. First the G5 sucks it slow,
> then
> Mac OSX sucks because it's inefficient as a network server. Then Apple
> sucks
> as a company, they made bad decisions. Then The iPod sucks because their
> 5th generation iPod screen scratches easy and it sucks because even though
> it sounds good and it's the number one selling mp3 player it sucks because
> something out there sounds better. It's all just finding something to
> bash
> the Mac with, even though they don't use Macs and really wouldn't know.
> Everything sucks about Apple, right???
>
> I'm a multi platform user, so I can speak to some things. I have
> criticisms
> of Apple and the Mac, but I use it every day. I don't just run with what
> somebody else said about it, then repeat the criticisms, like I know all
> about it. I don't take second hand info and swear it's gospel, I know
> first
> hand.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>James wrote..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more
>>>>>>people
>>>>
>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would
>>>>make
>>>>Apple, a computer company. <<
>>>>
>>>>Is that true?
>>>>Would've thought there were more iPods than Macs.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, lets keep this thread civil, huh?
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Every time there is any post about Apple
> or
>>> Mac OSX the bashing starts from people that don't use Macs. It's
>>> getting
>>> uncivil. Some of the people here have chosen Macs as there platform of
> choice.
>>> Mac bashing is down right insulting to some of us, and it's getting
> old!
>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43b317ba$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell
> you
>>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal
> with
>>>>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they
> still
>>>>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy
>>>>>>about
>>>>>
>>>>>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something
> or
>>>>>
>>>>>another
>>>>>
>>>>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their
>>>>>>(apparently
>>>>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that
>>>>>>makes
>>>>>
>>>>>tires
>>>>>
>>>>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets
> to
>>>
>>> get
>>>
>>>>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can
> do
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>exactly
>>>>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low
> on
>>>
>>> my
>>>
>>>>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two
> so
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>I'll
>>>>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
>
>>>
>>> I'll
>>>
>>>>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say
>>>>>brain
>>>>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>>>
>>>
>>>>>really
>>>>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>try
>>>>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
>>>
>>> how
>>>
>>>>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>>>>>bashing
>>>>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>>>>>Computer,
>>>>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
>>>
>>> our
>>>
>>>>>intellect.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give
>>>>>them
>>>>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>>>
>>>
>>>>>decisions.
>>>>>Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the
> good
>>>>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are
>>>>>successful.
>>>>>The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more
>>>>>people
>>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would
> make
>>>>>Apple, a computer company.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other
>>>>>company!
>>>>>I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>
>>>>>efficient
>>>>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't
> what
>>>>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>>>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but
> at
>>>
>>>
>>>>>what???
>>>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media!
>>>>>Isn't
>>>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>>>
>>>>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>>>
>>> user
>>>
>>>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like
>>>>>other
>>>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or
>>>>>write
>>>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>>>Dog/Linux
>>>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>>>
>>>
>>>>>media
>>>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>>>friendly
>>>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer
>>>>>company,
>>>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>>>opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
>>>
>>> OS,
>>>
>>>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW
>>>>>>>company
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>>>
>>>>>logic
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>>>>
>>>>>living.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now
> I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>a computer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty
>>>>>>>>articles
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>>>
>>> By
>>>
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>>they make a market leading product, and that's where their future
> is,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>he's
>>>>>>>>out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>
>>>>>>>>(M$oft
>>>>>>>>could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>>>>>
>>>>>manufacturers.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders
> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>>>>
>>>>>as
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>>profits
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>>>>>electronics
>>>>>>>>division.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>some
>>>>>>>>possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
>>>
>>> than
>>>
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>argue
>>>>>>>>against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Apple
>>>>>>>>wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD
>>>>>>>>licensed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>code
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently
>>>>>>>>CodeWarrior
>>>>>>
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>>>>>>through
>>>>>>>>the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>>>>>>environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when
> I
>>>
>>> buy
>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
>>>
>>> so
>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel
>>>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between
> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if
> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor-it allows applications to
> run
>>>>>>
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run
>>>>>>>>>translated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>>>>processing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on
> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user
>>>>>>>>>interaction
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction
> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most
>>>>>>>>>cases,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs
>>>>>>>>>aren't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly
>>>>>>>>>compute
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may
> find
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>after
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>enviable
>>>>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>
>>>>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get
>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>
>>>>>hardware
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X
> off
>>>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my
>>>>>>>>>>(soon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find
>>>>>>>>>>highly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>dubious
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship
>>>>>>>>>>forming
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>between
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two
>>>>>>>>>>companies
>>>>>>
>>>>>>may
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>appear
>>>>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique
> in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>else
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>does,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>point
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the
>>>>>>>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of
> money
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to
>>>>>>>>>>make
>>>>>
>>>>>sense
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than
> we
>>>>>
>>>>>geeks
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not
>>>>>>>>>>marketing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>people?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have
>>>>>>>>>>been
>>>>>
>>>>>playing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>James, if you were really honest with yourself, you'd admit that Macs have
as many problems (at least), as PC's.
I work in an environment (my studio complex and TV networks), where there
are plenty of Macs, (Avids etc), and the poor producers and editors are
sometimes pulling their hair out with crashes / lockups etc.
There is no one perfect system...they're just tools, nothing to get so
offended or insulted about.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43b3923d$1@linux...
>
> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>
>>James, As someone who doesn't give a rats ass about computer platforms,
> I'd
>>like to suggest that Thad wasn't being confrontational, insulting, or
>>derisive.
>> You on the other hand have just called that "brainwashed" and accused him
>>of not knowing shit about what he was talking about. Chill out brother,
>>it's just a manufactured product. It's not a religion.
>>
>>-Chris
>
>
> I started a couple of threads about Mac OSX running on a PC hardware and
> mac development and it is instant Mac bash fest. In effect , saying, who
> in their right mind would want to run a bloated inefficient piece of crap
> like Mac OSX? That is rude and insulting, about 40% of us Paris users,
> use Macs. Back up and read all the posts. The threads started out about
> information, not what sucks and what doesn't. It wasn't an open
> invitation
> to bash the platform that many of us use. Nor was it meant to be the kick
> off of the next Mac vs. PC wars. My post was just to inform, not to start
> a bunch of shit.
>
> Thad has a right to his opinion as do I. He stands by his opinion, and so
> do I. I say he doesn't have real experience or true knowledge of current
> Macs because he does not use them. I would challenge him or anybody else
> to use a current Mac for a Year, then come back with their criticisms.
> Then
> his criticisms would have merit, and wouldn't just be something he read in
> an anti Mac article. May be even he would see the light after a year.
> The
> lack of maintenance hassle, the ease of use, productivity gains and
> usability,
> multi media capability, feature set , available software, just to name a
> few. But of course he wont because Macs suck, just read what he has
> posted.
>
> Chill out, sure I'll try, but the constant barrage of knocks are uncalled
> for. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
> spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
> that
> uses a Mac.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell you
>>>a
>>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal with
>>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they
>>>>still
>>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>>>it.
>>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something or
>>>another
>>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>>
>>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>>>>company
>>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their
>>>>(apparently
>>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>>>tires
>>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets to
>>get
>>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can do
>>exactly
>>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low on
>>my
>>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>>
>>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two so
>>I'll
>>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>>
>>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
>>>I'll
>>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>>>really
>>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>>try
>>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
> Mac
>>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
> how
>>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>>>bashing
>>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>>the
>>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>>>Computer,
>>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
> our
>>>intellect.
>>>
>>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
> the
>>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>>>decisions.
>>> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the
>>> good
>>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are
>>>successful.
>>> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more
>>> people
>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>>>Apple, a computer company.
>>>
>>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>>> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>>> efficient
>>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
>>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
> Mac
>>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>>
>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
>>what???
>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>
>>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
> best
>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>>>user
>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>Dog/Linux
>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
> media
>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>friendly
>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>
>>> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer
>>> company,
>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>
>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>opinion.
>>>
>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
> OS,
>>>>
>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>>
>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>
>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>logic
>>>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>>living.
>>>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>>>a computer
>>>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty
>>>>>> articles
>>>>I'm
>>>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>>By
>>>>this
>>>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
> where
>>>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>>>or
>>>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>he's
>>>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>>>>>> (M$oft
>>>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>like
>>>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>>>manufacturers.
>>>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>>>the
>>>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>>>as
>>>>I'm
>>>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
> of
>>>>profits
>>>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>some
>>>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
> than
>>>>on
>>>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
> argue
>>>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>>>the
>>>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
> Apple
>>>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD
>>>>>> licensed
>>>>code
>>>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently
>>>>>> CodeWarrior
>>>>is
>>>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I
>>buy
>>>>a
>>>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
>>so
>>>>I
>>>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
> a
>>>
>>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel
>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>>>
>>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>>>
>>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>
>>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>
>>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>>>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run
>>>>>>>translated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
>>as
>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>>processing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>>>
>>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>>
>>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>>>
>>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>
>>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>>
>>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly
>>>>>>>compute
>>>>
>>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>
>>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>
>>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may
>>>>>>>find
>>>>
>>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
> years
>>>>>>
>>>>>> after
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
> computer
>>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
> enviable
>>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>>dubious
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship
>>>>>>>>forming
>>>>>>
>>>>>> between
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>>may
>>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>appear
>>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
>>that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> does,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
> point
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the
>>>>>>>>hardware
>>>>>>
>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of
>>>>>>>>money
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>>>sense
>>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
>>>geeks
>>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>>it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not
>>>>>>>>marketing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>>playing
>>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Kim, it's the same I have read, so I'm using the +format on nearly
"everything".
Erling
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:43b3346a$1@linux...
>
>
> I've heard that the error checking and other format related stuff is
> superior
> on the + format, which is the newer of the two. Hence for backups etc I'd
> be using + if you are to trust DVDs at all. Early drives are more likely
> to support the - format than + generally, and this includes both household
> movie DVD players as well as PC DVD drives.
>
> It was one of those old Sony Vs the world things. + is the Sony format.
> They
> claimed it was better and everybody would have to pay them to use it, but
> people used the cheaper royalty - format instead until Sony dropped the
> price.
> The + format does have a few advantages especially in writing DVD video
> off
> live TV, which is near impossible to do with - disks as I understand, but
> + allowed for it in the format. For general data use there is little
> difference
> other than the error correction schemes. How much difference this really
> makes I don't really know... often if you get an error you're in trouble
> regardless...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>No big difference. Some polls have shown the -R to work in more players.
>>Some burners prefer one kind or other as well - my Liteon 8x didnt like
>>the -R till I updated the firmware and since then I have burned over 150
>>DVDs of both types w/o incident. You can find some information on
>>burners,
>>players and media at videohelp.com and they run some user polls.
>>CDFreaks.com also has reviews and a large user base. Check their review
> of
>>the BenQ burners (highly touted Sony DRU series based on BenQ).
>>HTH, Edna
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43b2f487$1@linux...
>>> + vs -
>>>
>>> What's the difference?
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a better format?
>>>
>>>
>>> What about burners....suggested brands?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Hello.
Just making new computer for paris.
It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
....or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
audio
without a RAID.
Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
Thanks a lot!
SuadHello Suad.
If you want to use RAID, be sure you allways have backups of everything on
those disks. One of my best friends, working in Nuendo, lost a whole
production a couple of months ago here in Norway without any backups. It's
really speedy with RAID, but if you just get problems with one of the
harddisks, you loose the other too.
Erling
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> skrev i melding news:43b3abd5@linux...
> Hello.
>
> Just making new computer for paris.
> It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
>
> I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
> audio
> without a RAID.
>
> Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
>
> Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Suad
>
>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
appreciated. This is very frustrating.
John
cujo wrote:
> So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also have
> an issue woth closing paris.
> I have to turn my comp off at the button.
> Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
> thanks
>
>
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>gotcha, thanks
>>
>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>
>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where
>
> the
>
>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>>>Rod
>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>>
>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>>>
>>>
>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm looking for an adapter that will allow me to send a midi signal down a
standard XLR snake. I've seen them so I know they exist but it's been
years. Does anyone know of a company that would still make these?....assuming you're using the "I want more speed" type raid.
Raid comes in many varieties. Why you'd need more hdd speed with Paris I
don't quite know with today's hdd speeds. Brian T was able to drive Paris
to the full with drives many years old now. If you're using raid for mirroring
or some such thing you should get better reliaiblity than without.
....I think. I'm pretty sure at least... I have had a hell of a lot to
drink tonight... thank you to the taxi driver... ;o) and that Nat chick
who I'm seeing again on NYE seems a bit alright... I'm not sure that she
likes me, but there's something sexy about an accountant who's qualified
as a lawyer, and is also very cute and laughs a lot. I do at least now have
her phone number... ;o)
I really should go to bed. I have to work tomorrow...
Cheers,
Kim.
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>Hello Suad.
>
>If you want to use RAID, be sure you allways have backups of everything
on
>those disks. One of my best friends, working in Nuendo, lost a whole
>production a couple of months ago here in Norway without any backups. It's
>really speedy with RAID, but if you just get problems with one of the
>harddisks, you loose the other too.
>
>Erling
>
>"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> skrev i melding news:43b3abd5@linux...
>> Hello.
>>
>> Just making new computer for paris.
>> It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
>> As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
>>
>> I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
>> ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
>> audio
>> without a RAID.
>>
>> Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
>> RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
>>
>> Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> Suad
>>
>>
>
>Actually, it's gotten to the point where the majority of Americans don't
like their government. Although, as I understand it, the current
president is a Mac user and an iPod person.
So I guess merely having a Mac will not necessarily assure domestic or
worldwide popularity, or inspiring governance.
Yet another strike against Apple? ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> . The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
>
>>spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
>
> that
>
>>uses a Mac.
>
>
> .........hmmmmm........sorta' like when people say "we really like
> Americans, we just don't like your government".OK, I'll take these in order.
>
>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not. I'll
>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or really
>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
try
>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the Mac
>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and how
>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac bashing
>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
the
>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple Computer,
>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting our
>intellect.
As far as my qualifications, I'm not an MSCE and in fact I have no formal
computer training at all. I have a dusty old humanities B.A. around here
somewhere. As far as my knowledge of Macs, you might want to google my name
along with words like "audio" "Apple" and "computers" to see what shows up.
I probably had 30 articles published about Macs and audio before 90% of the
people currently using computers for music had heard of one. I've been at
this long enough that I remember booting into Open Firmware and having to
learn a little bit about Forth scripting in order to boot [pirated] beta
versions of BeOS and some Linux distro on a 603e based Mac. Am I a "Winoz"
user? Yes and no. At my job I take care of about 30 servers (if you count
virtual machines, which I do) that are probably 70/30 XP/linux. The office
where I work is married to Exchange so that forces me into a certain set
of choices (as an aside, more than Windows or Office it's Exchange/Outlook
that keeps M$oft's strangle hold on business computing). The linux boxes
are mostly email related machines (spam filters, virus checkers) or file/web
servers. I also take care of four Solaris 8 boxes and two PIX firewalls.
The clients are XP with a smattering of Macs.
In my house I have three Debian machines and one XP box as my audio computer
because SX and Live are the backbone of my music making. The difference between
the M$oft machines at work and my home Debian boxes is like the difference
between going to work and going on vacation. With Debian, computers are FUN
again, I get to mess with the innards of the OS, break things horribly, learn
about how to fix them, download new programming languages and web servers
whenever I want. I actually have a shell script that uses about eight apps
to take the live input from a sound card or capture the main sound output
of the OS into a perfectly compressed audio file automatically. Something
I still haven't been able to do on a M$oft box.
So, I'm not as formally qualified as you thought, but maybe a bit more informally
qualified than you thought.
>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in the
>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great decisions.
> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the good
>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are successful.
> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more people
>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would make
>Apple, a computer company.
What exactly Apple is or isn't is purely subjective. I think they were a
visionary company a long time ago. I think they are still a superb consumer
electronics and design company, and nobody can managey hype like Steve Jobs.
They were first to market with a really superb product that will be emblematic
of the oncoming tidal wave of portable devices that will largely replace
the desktop computers that we use now. Then again, they were first to make
a home computer seem like a good (and chic) idea and they managed to parlay
that into . . . near bankruptcy. That's what I think Apple is.
I don't think they've been terribly visionary of late. One of the great ironies,
in my opinion, of the past few years in the computer racket is that IBM has
probably been the most vibrant, agile, and visionary company in the business.
Stodgy old IBM. They have been the most vocal proponent of free software
in the corporate world, and have put up real amounts of their own money to
go to court against spurious lawsuits (the SCO one mostly) that try to destroy
the integrity of free software. They have given mountains of code back to
the free software community and generally behaved as excellent citizens in
that polis. I'd say IBM in the innovation and vision front surpass even google,
because while google provides many thinga that are free as in beer and some
things that are free as in speech (http://code.google.com/) IBM provides
many things that are free as in speech and a few that are free as in beer.
To me the latter is far more impressive, and companies like M$oft, Apple,
Dell, and the rest are just eating up the dust of companies like google and
IBM.
>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more efficient
>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't what
>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say Mac
>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but at
what???
>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>that where the computing world is going???
*Sold* being the operative word here. If you say OS X is unix, then maybe
Apple has sold the most machines with a *nix pre-installed on it. There are
tens (hundreds?) of millions of servers alone running GNY\Linux of one sort
or another, and likely a few time as many running on desktops, though nobody
knows for sure because each download of a distro doesn't could mean zero
installs or 200.
You should read my other post to Jamie. The question put to me, somewhat
snidely in my opinion, was to prove that I wasn't passing off "urban legend"
about OS X performance being less than fantastic on PPC processors. This
came in response to someone saying a 1.3 Ghz Celeron running OS X was out-benchmarking
much faster/more expensive G5s. I had heard similar things some time back
and investigated and found articles about how poorly multiple threads are
managed. Presented with the fact that, surprisingly considering how dense
I am, I was not peddling "urban legend" Jamie decided that OS X was good
enough for him. This has absolutely nothing to do with the argument and I
said so.
> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the best
>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive, user
>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow Dog/Linux
>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi media
>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user friendly
>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
As something of a computer expert, my friends often ask me for help with
their computers. My deal with them is that I'll be a lot more willing to
help if they let me set it up right in the first place. Being the ravenous
MCSE certified Winows zealot you mentioned before, starting about a year
ago I would set up everything as a dual boot system, one GNU\linux (usually
Ubuntu) and one Windows. That's what Windows zealots do, you know. So far,
all but one (out of six or seven) have settled on Ubuntu as their preferred
platform. The one who didn't was a graphic designer so I wasn't surprised
that she needed a slew of Windows apps. Maybe if I had been a designer I
could have guided her a bit but it didn't work out. Windows users, by the
way, seem to prefer KDE as their desktop, while total newbies or OS X users
seem to prefer Gnome (as do I). The point? Ubuntu is 95% of the way there
as a free software desktop. A few things are irritating--CD/DVD burning is
less than ideal, and wireless cards that don't have native kernel drivers
can be a ginormous pain in the ass to get working. That said, viruses are
essentially non-existent, the package management (using dpkg and apt-get)
is the best in the world by far without a doubt nobody can argue it. OpenOffice.org
is at least as good as MS Office and anybody interested in learning more
about the geek stuff can install Apache and MySQL and Perl/PHP/Python and
is on their merry way. So on the desktop usability front (for civilians,
of course, multi-media authoring is still only possible on XP/OS X) I'd say
OS X and XP have roughly a 10% advantage over Ubuntu, probably 15% over vanilla
Debian. Of course both GNU\linux variants have an infinite advantage in freedom,
and a huge advantage in package management/OS patching.
Remember, if this is a pissing contest I didn't start it. I provided factual
information showing that OS X runs demonstrably slower under stress *on the
same hardware* than does Yellow Dog Linux. For that I have been accused by
Jamie of being a free software zealot and by you of being a Windows zealot.
Y'all might want to huddle up and get your stories straight.
Now then, if you'll excuse me my new HP laptop just showed up (with an AMD
64 in it, whoo hooo!). I was going to image it with the XP image we use at
work and put Debian on it but instead I think I'll walk around town from
coffee shop to coffee shop finding people using OS X and then smashing them
in the back of the head with my new laptop! That's what us MCSE's do for
fun!
TCB
> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer company,
>regardless of what people like you say.
>
>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their opinion.
>
>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>
>
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the OS,
>>
>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>
>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>their thing.
>>>
>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>logic
>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>living.
>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now I'm
>>a computer
>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty articles
>>I'm
>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
By
>>this
>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's where
>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future is,
>>or
>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
he's
>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft (M$oft
>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
like
>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not car
>manufacturers.
>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders for
>>the
>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as far
>as
>>I'm
>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage of
>>profits
>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer electronics
>>>> division.
>>>>
>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
some
>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster than
>>on
>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles argue
>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>the
>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that Apple
>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD licensed
>>code
>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently CodeWarrior
>>is
>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs through
>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing environment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when I
buy
>>a
>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for me
so
>>I
>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with a
>
>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel business
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between the
>>
>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if what
>>
>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>
>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>
>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to run
>>as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run translated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
as
>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a processing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on the
>
>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>
>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction and
>>
>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>
>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>
>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly compute
>>
>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>
>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may find
>>
>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few years
>>>>
>>>> after
>>>>
>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop computer
>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an enviable
>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing public.
>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>hardware
>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X off
>of
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>to
>>>>
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>dubious
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship forming
>>>>
>>>> between
>>>>
>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>may
>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
appear
>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique in
that
>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
else
>>>>
>>>> does,
>>>>
>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole point
>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the hardware
>>>>
>>>> end,
>>>>
>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of money
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>sense
>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than we
>geeks
>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
it
>>>>
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not marketing
>>>>
>>>> people?
>>>>
>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>playing
>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>yes that is the one I get too.
but Paris still works for me!
I would liek to figuure it out though
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
>Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
>appreciated. This is very frustrating.
>
>John
>
>cujo wrote:
>> So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
have
>> an issue woth closing paris.
>> I have to turn my comp off at the button.
>> Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>gotcha, thanks
>>>
>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>>
>>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
>>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>>>>Rod
>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Disk performance under XP is so obscenely fast for audio there's no performance
reason to RAID machines. Howerver, RAID means a lot of different things.
http://www.raidweb.com/whatis.html
That's a good tutorial. On my servers at work we tend to RAID 1 the OS drives
(in other words, mirror them so if one blows up the other comes on line seamlessly
and se just have to rebuild the RAID at our convenience) and RAID 5 the data
drives. We also have overnight data backups if we lose two drives at the
same time. My next audio machine will be set up that way simply because drives
are so cheap these days.
TCB
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
>Hello.
>
>Just making new computer for paris.
>It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
>As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
>
>I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
>...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
>audio
>without a RAID.
>
>Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
>RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
>
>Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
>
>Thanks a lot!
>
>Suad
>
>TCB wrote:
> OK, I'll take these in order.
> As far as my qualifications, I'm not an MSCE and in fact I have no formal
> computer training at all. I have a dusty old humanities B.A. around here
> somewhere. As far as my knowledge of Macs, you might want to google my name
> along with words like "audio" "Apple" and "computers" to see what shows up.
> I probably had 30 articles published about Macs and audio before 90% of the
> people currently using computers for music had heard of one. I've been at
> this long enough that I remember booting into Open Firmware and having to
> learn a little bit about Forth scripting in order to boot [pirated] beta
> versions of BeOS and some Linux distro on a 603e based Mac. Am I a "Winoz"
> user? Yes and no.
MSWindows and Linux seem to be where you have current experience.
> What exactly Apple is or isn't is purely subjective. I think they were a
> visionary company a long time ago. I think they are still a superb consumer
> electronics and design company, and nobody can managey hype like Steve Jobs.
> They were first to market with a really superb product that will be emblematic
> of the oncoming tidal wave of portable devices that will largely replace
> the desktop computers that we use now. Then again, they were first to make
> a home computer seem like a good (and chic) idea and they managed to parlay
> that into . . . near bankruptcy. That's what I think Apple is.
What Apple was, actually. You should get up to date on that.
Like Microsoft, Apple got stuck in their early 80s decisions and really
struggled to get past that.
But that's ancient history at this point. Once the decision was made to
go with NeXTSTEP, things began to change. That's when Apple became very
interesting to me (although I did write for MacWEEK and MacUser before
OSX - so I know the era you're stuck in).
As far as the financial performance NOW, the stock is through the roof FWIW.
> I don't think they've been terribly visionary of late.
IOW, they don't support open source as much as you'd like. Which is a
fair point.
But as far as providing capabilities for media production on fast
hardware, they've been doing pretty well of late. Long term support of a
new OS has paid off. Long term vision has come to fruition. You should
look into it.
> You should read my other post to Jamie. The question put to me, somewhat
> snidely in my opinion, was to prove that I wasn't passing off "urban legend"
> about OS X performance being less than fantastic on PPC processors. This
> came in response to someone saying a 1.3 Ghz Celeron running OS X was out-benchmarking
> much faster/more expensive G5s. I had heard similar things some time back
> and investigated and found articles about how poorly multiple threads are
> managed. Presented with the fact that, surprisingly considering how dense
> I am, I was not peddling "urban legend" Jamie decided that OS X was good
> enough for him. This has absolutely nothing to do with the argument and I
> said so.
Dude, sorry if I offended you. When you posted an assertion with no
references, I gave an opinion (email does not convey voice tonality -
I'm a very relaxed person so picture a calm voice). You backed up your
assertion after that and I gave you full credit for that.
However, it's not just a matter of "good enough for me" although I offer
that as evidence in the discussion. It's a matter that despite a design
criticism of threading problems under certain kinds of server loads
MacOSX still manages to easily offer a better overall media production
platform than Linux, for the moment anyway. And IMO OSX also offers a
better experience than MSWindows.
So for your part, while it's well and good to look for weaknesses in OSX
as anyone can do, it would be more balanced to take the overall picture.
I don't see in any of your posts that you understand what Apple has
accomplished with OSX so far. It's head and shoulders above their
previous OS on many points. If you are only digging for the negative
then you will miss that.
In short, if you are saying OSX has some weaknesses, that's fine. If you
can't see the strengths of OSX, you are looking at an incomplete picture.
If you're implying that OSX is not worth considering for media
production, that's simply incorrect.
> So on the desktop usability front (for civilians,
> of course, multi-media authoring is still only possible on XP/OS X) I'd say
> OS X and XP have roughly a 10% advantage over Ubuntu, probably 15% over vanilla
> Debian.
For getting media work done I'd say OSX, then MSWindows, then Linux. A
paltry number of choices but there it is.
> Of course both GNU\linux variants have an infinite advantage in freedom,
> and a huge advantage in package management/OS patching.
True.
> Remember, if this is a pissing contest I didn't start it. I provided factual
> information showing that OS X runs demonstrably slower under stress *on the
> same hardware* than does Yellow Dog Linux. For that I have been accused by
> Jamie of being a free software zealot and by you of being a Windows zealot.
> Y'all might want to huddle up and get your stories straight.
I wouldn't say "accused" I'd say "recognized." Big difference. You are
certainly a Linux advocate and that's not at all a bad thing. If you
reread my posts with a more relaxed tone of voice in your head, you may
better understand.
On the OSX vs. MSWindows thing, your current experience is with
MSWindows. If you worked with the current version OSX and tried some of
the currently available OSX software for a while I think your opinion
would change on some issues. Not the open source issue, though.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.comDoes anyone have a web site that makes it clear regarding audio cds and
video dvds regarding copying? Like:
LEGALLY...........
Can you copy a cd you own?
Can you copy a friends cd if you own the vinyl album?
Can you copy a cd you get from the library?
Can you copy a dvd that you own?
Can you copy a dvd that you get from the library?
Can you copy the world onto your video/audio ipod?
Thanks,
JohnYep, I know what means RAID... ;-)
I have RAID 0 (stripe) on my second (Cubase) computer...
I'm just affraid if RAID will degrade PARIS streaming performance..
Protools lite, like pro digi 002 and 001 doesnt like RAID and
results in many streaming errors!!
Digidesign also claims not to use RAID with their 001 and 002 systems..
What a f__k?
My head will blow of that much thinking...
Thanks.
Suad
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43b3b3e7@linux...
> Hello Suad.
>
> If you want to use RAID, be sure you allways have backups of everything on
> those disks. One of my best friends, working in Nuendo, lost a whole
> production a couple of months ago here in Norway without any backups. It's
> really speedy with RAID, but if you just get problems with one of the
> harddisks, you loose the other too.
>
> Erling
>
> "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> skrev i melding news:43b3abd5@linux...
> > Hello.
> >
> > Just making new computer for paris.
> > It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> > As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
> >
> > I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> > ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
> > audio
> > without a RAID.
> >
> > Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> > RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
> >
> > Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Suad
> >
> >
>
>The polls always reflect the pollsters agenda and the pollster's agenda is
to get paid by the agenda that is paying the pollsters to conduct the poll.
I got a cll the other day from a pollster and I couldn't believe the
convoluted, manipulative way the questions were couched. They were designed
to have only one outcome. Nothing is objective or unbiased these days. I
think that your ideas about the way the majority of Americans feel about
their government may be wrong., but I don't know for sure, because we have
only polls as reference until election time is over plus a few days because
and we all know........exit polls are as flawed as other polls.
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43b3f765$1@linux...
>
> Actually, it's gotten to the point where the majority of Americans don't
> like their government. Although, as I understand it, the current
> president is a Mac user and an iPod person.
>
> So I guess merely having a Mac will not necessarily assure domestic or
> worldwide popularity, or inspiring governance.
>
> Yet another strike against Apple? ;^)
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
> > . The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
> >
> >>spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
> >
> > that
> >
> >>uses a Mac.
> >
> >
> > .........hmmmmm........sorta' like when people say "we really like
> > Americans, we just don't like your government".Guys, computers all suck. all of 'em.
On a good day, some suck less than others.
There's several things we know.
For the amount of money they make Microsoft still provides
products that are, well, POS's. Imagine! an OS that lets scummers
put things in the registry and install apps! That's just the beginning
of course, but why belabor the point. XP is crap, compare to what
it should be by now.
Apple, like MS, Sony, GM and E-MU is quite capable of putting out
utter crap as well as quite good stuff. (GM had a great idea with
Saturn but are too stupid to make it work. etc etc) I am typing
this on one of the famous logic-board-failure iBooks. We had to
band together and actually start collecting signatures for a class
action lawsuit before they fixed it. This computer went back 3
times for the same problem and they were just putting the same
bad logic boards in until the warranty expired. Pretty cynical huh?
After the class action threat, it went back the fourth time and they
seem to have gotten it right. I use a blue-white G3 for Paris, and it
is almost as stable as a reel-to-reel, but that came from a week of
developing a dedicated extension list. Why in hell did I have to do
that? Because computers suck. all of them. I use a new Mac Mini
for general stuff and it is OK, but has a problem with desktop
management, moving folders all over the place and not opening
them... I will get the latest OS, but Mr. Mac Tech support is not
sure that will fix it, but he couldn't fix it either, and stopped taking
my calls as soon as he legally could do so...
COMPUTERS SUCK! all of them.
The industry benefits much more from gripe-and-bitch types,
providing they are reasonably informed, than from from boosters.
Oh, and I use a VAIO running XP at work. The new Soundweb
London app will not run on it. The code writers never checked the
app with a VAIO... dickheads.
Informed critique is the ONLY way we get better gear.
Big computer/software companies are not your friend.
Smaller, more responsive companies are much better. I was a beta
tester for the mac version of Peterson Strobotune, and it was sooo
cool to be able to get the project director's response, and a new,
fixed version of the app, within days of sending them an email.
Let's hope Apple can still do this with OSX. MS is a lost cause;
we use them when we must. Which is why open-source stuff
exists.
Platform wars are the biggest waste of time I can imagine,
next to this:
http://www.maggiore.net/greenacres/
I'd rather sing a song...
Countin' flowers on the wall
That don't bother me at all
Playin' solitaire till dawn with a deck of fifty-one
Smokin' cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kangaroo
Now don't tell me I've nothin' to do
ho-hum....
DCYes Kim I know...
I'm using Paris from 1998.
My first PARIS computer was asus P2BS mainboard with
PII 350mhz and 9GB IBM scsi harddrive and 128MB ram, win98SE. - worked cool!
I'm using this computer till today. ..just changed CPUwith PIII 800mhz,
added 512MB ram and 160GB IDE audio drive (ata 33). First Win ME and now
Win XP.
All works as a charm! In PARIS, of course.. Never had a single problem...
But, opening/saving BIG files in Wavelab, doing montage in Sony Vegas with
large DV video files and other OS specific stuff like booting, opening
programs,
shutdown.... all that stuff can NEVER be fast enough. That is why I'm
considering
RAID. ..like on my second (Cubase) computer. 2x Segate 250GB. Works good.
I'm just affraid if RAID can degrade PARIS performance. Streaming errors,
etc...
Protools lite DIGI 001 and 002 doesnt like RAID! Many streaming errors!
Digidesign also recomend not to use RAID on their systems.
In my expirience, 2x250GB s-ata hard drives in RAID can be worse for PARIS
than 4 year old ATA-33 ide drive... I'm not sure, but there is a
possibility.
But, other programs like Vegas, Wavelab and OS itself will benefit from RAID
for sure.
PARIS is an old mother f____r! Sounds and works great, but, you never know
what will happen if you bring it to the new teritory! (XP, RAID, dual CPU,
HT, PCIx...)
What do you think?
Thanks for your reply!
Suad
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b3f307$1@linux...
>
>
> ...assuming you're using the "I want more speed" type raid.
>
> Raid comes in many varieties. Why you'd need more hdd speed with Paris I
> don't quite know with today's hdd speeds. Brian T was able to drive Paris
> to the full with drives many years old now. If you're using raid for
mirroring
> or some such thing you should get better reliaiblity than without.
>
> ...I think. I'm pretty sure at least... I have had a hell of a lot to
> drink tonight... thank you to the taxi driver... ;o) and that Nat
chick
> who I'm seeing again on NYE seems a bit alright... I'm not sure that she
> likes me, but there's something sexy about an accountant who's qualified
> as a lawyer, and is also very cute and laughs a lot. I do at least now
have
> her phone number... ;o)
>
> I really should go to bed. I have to work tomorrow...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
> >Hello Suad.
> >
> >If you want to use RAID, be sure you allways have backups of everything
> on
> >those disks. One of my best friends, working in Nuendo, lost a whole
> >production a couple of months ago here in Norway without any backups.
It's
>
> >really speedy with RAID, but if you just get problems with one of the
> >harddisks, you loose the other too.
> >
> >Erling
> >
> >"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> skrev i melding news:43b3abd5@linux...
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >> Just making new computer for paris.
> >> It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> >> As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
> >>
> >> I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> >> ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
> >> audio
> >> without a RAID.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> >> RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
> >>
> >> Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot!
> >>
> >> Suad
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>Not sure what the "MM" refers to(multimedia?). You might research this
error at Microsoft site. Do you have your OS and projects on different
drives/controllers?
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b3d299$1@linux...
> Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
> Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
> appreciated. This is very frustrating.
>
> John
>
> cujo wrote:
> > So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
have
> > an issue woth closing paris.
> > I have to turn my comp off at the button.
> > Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >
> >>gotcha, thanks
> >>
> >>Rod Lincoln wrote:
> >>
> >>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's
where
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you
have
> >>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
> >>>Rod
> >>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
> >>>>
> >>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have
Paris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
> >>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi.
Well, I dont need speed in PARIS.
I need speed in Wavelab, Sony Vegas, and everywhere else where
there is never enough speed...
I'm just affraid if RAID can degrade PARIS preformance...
....strange streeaming errors, ets...
PARIS is old! And you never know what will happen if
you put it in the new teritory...
Cheers!
Suad
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b3fe8b$1@linux...
>
> Disk performance under XP is so obscenely fast for audio there's no
performance
> reason to RAID machines. Howerver, RAID means a lot of different things.
>
>
> http://www.raidweb.com/whatis.html
>
> That's a good tutorial. On my servers at work we tend to RAID 1 the OS
drives
> (in other words, mirror them so if one blows up the other comes on line
seamlessly
> and se just have to rebuild the RAID at our convenience) and RAID 5 the
data
> drives. We also have overnight data backups if we lose two drives at the
> same time. My next audio machine will be set up that way simply because
drives
> are so cheap these days.
>
> TCB
>
> "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
> >Hello.
> >
> >Just making new computer for paris.
> >It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> >As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
> >
> >I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> >...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
> >audio
> >without a RAID.
> >
> >Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> >RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
> >
> >Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
> >
> >Thanks a lot!
> >
> >Suad
> >
> >
>Polls are not always wrong. It's true that they can be poorly designed
but it's not true that they always are.
The polls that show citizen opinion about government are typically
repeated at intervals so that, using the same questions, changes in
response can be seen over time.
The water has been muddied by the use of push polls, which aren't really
polls but rather exist as PR efforts or smear campaigns. I've gotten a
few of those.
BTW, if you want to count on elections to figure out what people really
think, that will depend on a transparent, trustworthy and accurate
voting system. Ours (USA) needs a lot of work to achieve that. In the
name of making the system better we've made it worse with insecure,
hackable computer-based systems.
http://blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.votetrustusa.org/
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> The polls always reflect the pollsters agenda and the pollster's agenda is
> to get paid by the agenda that is paying the pollsters to conduct the poll.
> I got a cll the other day from a pollster and I couldn't believe the
> convoluted, manipulative way the questions were couched. They were designed
> to have only one outcome. Nothing is objective or unbiased these days. I
> think that your ideas about the way the majority of Americans feel about
> their government may be wrong., but I don't know for sure, because we have
> only polls as reference until election time is over plus a few days because
> and we all know........exit polls are as flawed as other polls.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43b3f765$1@linux...
>
>>Actually, it's gotten to the point where the majority of Americans don't
>>like their government. Although, as I understand it, the current
>>president is a Mac user and an iPod person.
>>
>>So I guess merely having a Mac will not necessarily assure domestic or
>>worldwide popularity, or inspiring governance.
>>
>>Yet another strike against Apple? ;^)
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
>>>
>>>
>>>>spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>uses a Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>>.........hmmmmm........sorta' like when people say "we really like
>>>Americans, we just don't like your government".
>
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Actually, it's gotten to the point where the majority of Americans don't
>like their government. Although, as I understand it, the current
>president is a Mac user and an iPod person.
Oooooh Noooo! Jamie, did you have to say that??? Now this is going to get
political. You might as well have just told them that Rush Limbaugh is a
big Mac user! This is sure to start some stuff.
Is GWB aware that Al Gore sits on Apples board of directors?
>
>So I guess merely having a Mac will not necessarily assure domestic or
>worldwide popularity, or inspiring governance.
>
>Yet another strike against Apple? ;^)
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>> . The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
>>
>>>spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
>>
>> that
>>
>>>uses a Mac.
>>
>>
>> .........hmmmmm........sorta' like when people say "we really like
>> Americans, we just don't like your government".Heh. Good points James. If Al Gore, George Bush and blowhard talk show
hosts can all agree, then OSX must be truly subversive. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>Actually, it's gotten to the point where the majority of Americans don't
>
>
>>like their government. Although, as I understand it, the current
>>president is a Mac user and an iPod person.
>
>
> Oooooh Noooo! Jamie, did you have to say that??? Now this is going to get
> political. You might as well have just told them that Rush Limbaugh is a
> big Mac user! This is sure to start some stuff.
>
> Is GWB aware that Al Gore sits on Apples board of directors?
>
>
>>So I guess merely having a Mac will not necessarily assure domestic or
>>worldwide popularity, or inspiring governance.
>>
>>Yet another strike against Apple? ;^)
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and mean
>>>
>>>
>>>>spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>uses a Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>>.........hmmmmm........sorta' like when people say "we really like
>>>Americans, we just don't like your government".
>
>Excellent rant, DC. You should run that on your blog.
BTW, the theory as I've heard it is "Computers are great." With the
immediately offered corollary "Computers suck."
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> Guys, computers all suck. all of 'em.
>
> On a good day, some suck less than others.
>
>
> There's several things we know.
>
> For the amount of money they make Microsoft still provides
> products that are, well, POS's. Imagine! an OS that lets scummers
> put things in the registry and install apps! That's just the beginning
> of course, but why belabor the point. XP is crap, compare to what
> it should be by now.
>
> Apple, like MS, Sony, GM and E-MU is quite capable of putting out
> utter crap as well as quite good stuff. (GM had a great idea with
> Saturn but are too stupid to make it work. etc etc) I am typing
> this on one of the famous logic-board-failure iBooks. We had to
> band together and actually start collecting signatures for a class
> action lawsuit before they fixed it. This computer went back 3
> times for the same problem and they were just putting the same
> bad logic boards in until the warranty expired. Pretty cynical huh?
> After the class action threat, it went back the fourth time and they
> seem to have gotten it right. I use a blue-white G3 for Paris, and it
> is almost as stable as a reel-to-reel, but that came from a week of
> developing a dedicated extension list. Why in hell did I have to do
> that? Because computers suck. all of them. I use a new Mac Mini
> for general stuff and it is OK, but has a problem with desktop
> management, moving folders all over the place and not opening
> them... I will get the latest OS, but Mr. Mac Tech support is not
> sure that will fix it, but he couldn't fix it either, and stopped taking
> my calls as soon as he legally could do so...
>
> COMPUTERS SUCK! all of them.
>
> The industry benefits much more from gripe-and-bitch types,
> providing they are reasonably informed, than from from boosters.
>
> Oh, and I use a VAIO running XP at work. The new Soundweb
> London app will not run on it. The code writers never checked the
> app with a VAIO... dickheads.
>
> Informed critique is the ONLY way we get better gear.
>
> Big computer/software companies are not your friend.
>
> Smaller, more responsive companies are much better. I was a beta
> tester for the mac version of Peterson Strobotune, and it was sooo
> cool to be able to get the project director's response, and a new,
> fixed version of the app, within days of sending them an email.
>
> Let's hope Apple can still do this with OSX. MS is a lost cause;
> we use them when we must. Which is why open-source stuff
> exists.
>
> Platform wars are the biggest waste of time I can imagine,
> next to this:
>
> http://www.maggiore.net/greenacres/
>
>
> I'd rather sing a song...
>
> Countin' flowers on the wall
> That don't bother me at all
> Playin' solitaire till dawn with a deck of fifty-one
> Smokin' cigarettes and watchin' Captain Kangaroo
> Now don't tell me I've nothin' to do
>
>
> ho-hum....
>
>
> DCThanks Tony,
I'll be looking forward to your review!
respect
Nappy
Tony Benson <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Nappy,
>
>I just got it hooked up and running on my Power Book tonight, so I haven't
>had much time yet to really check it all out. I did play my Parker Fly
>through the guitar amp modeling FX for a while. It sounded ok, and I'm sure
>with some tweaking could sound pretty good. Not in the same league with
NI's
>Amps Combos, but useable. I also tried the reverb a little with the Fly.
>Again, ok but nothing to write home about. I'm anxious to try out the mic
>pre's and compression "supposedly" based on the modeling in the Liquid
>Channel. I'll let you know if it's all hype or not once I get some time
to
>give the thing a workout.
>
>I'm planning on using it for some remote recording, and working on original
>tunes when I'm on the go.
>
>It did install easily and worked like expected on my Power Book.
>
>Tony
>
>On 12/28/05 7:54 PM, in article 43b333c1$1@linux, "Nappy"
><mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Tony,
>> I've been waiting for the Saffire to be released,looks
>> like a pretty cool interface. How are the effects ?
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>>
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>> Nice!
>>>
>>> I'm going to use the Saffire with my Power Book, but it came with Cubase
>> LE,
>>> so now I've got another program to learn! Arghhh! I suppose I'll have
to
>>
>>> update to SX3 someday. Then I can bug Deej for advice even more! ;>)
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:q9o4r15a59vr0nvcrenjarp54j479g09ft@4ax.com...
>>>> logic pro 7.1
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:01:06 -0600, "Tony Benson"
>>>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got
>> any
>>>>> new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
>>>>> Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three
i5's
>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> a D6! Yahoo!
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Are you using Paris 2.x or 3.x?
Rod
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
>Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
>appreciated. This is very frustrating.
>
>John
>
>cujo wrote:
>> So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
have
>> an issue woth closing paris.
>> I have to turn my comp off at the button.
>> Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>gotcha, thanks
>>>
>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>>
>>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
>>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>>>>Rod
>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Does anyone have a web site that makes it clear regarding audio cds and
>video dvds regarding copying? Like:
I don't know of a specific web site, but copyright law
essentially states (with regard to your particular questions):
>Can you copy a cd you own?
Yes, for your own use. Not to be distributed to anyone else,
regardless of whether or not you profit from said distribution.
>Can you copy a friends cd if you own the vinyl album?
Yes, because you've already paid for the particular work
yourself, albeit in a different format, is all - again, for
your own use you can can do this. Now, if the vinyl edition you
own is different from the CD version (example: the CD has bonus
tracks) it's a different story... you'd be OK, I believe, from
a legal standpoint, if you copied only the tracks from the CD
that you already own on the vinyl version.
>Can you copy a cd you get from the library?
Nope.
>Can you copy a dvd that you own?
Yes, for your own use. Not to be distributed... etc, etc.
>Can you copy a dvd that you get from the library?
Nope.
>Can you copy the world onto your video/audio ipod?
I don't think the whole world can fit into 6 gigs.
Neilos and projects ARE on different drives AND controllers and caching is
turned OFF on both. Os is on IDE1 master and projects is on IDE2 master
Edna wrote:
> Not sure what the "MM" refers to(multimedia?). You might research this
> error at Microsoft site. Do you have your OS and projects on different
> drives/controllers?
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b3d299$1@linux...
>
>>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
>>Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
>>appreciated. This is very frustrating.
>>
>>John
>>
>>cujo wrote:
>>
>>>So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
>
> have
>
>>>an issue woth closing paris.
>>>I have to turn my comp off at the button.
>>>Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>gotcha, thanks
>>>>
>>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's
>
> where
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you
>
> have
>
>>>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have
>
> Paris
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>3.x
Rod Lincoln wrote:
> Are you using Paris 2.x or 3.x?
> Rod
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
>>Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
>>appreciated. This is very frustrating.
>>
>>John
>>
>>cujo wrote:
>>
>>>So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
>
> have
>
>>>an issue woth closing paris.
>>>I have to turn my comp off at the button.
>>>Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>gotcha, thanks
>>>>
>>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's where
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you have
>>>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>I just added a second eds 1000 card and want to have a mixer with 32
channels instead of two at 16. Also want to load more effects on the global
master. I know it's probably simple, but I can't make it happen. Thanks.... and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
Thanks,
JonFMR RNP. Getting decent sound out of a studio projects VTB1, if you want
to go really cheap.
"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote in message news:43b4287f$1@linux...
>
> .. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
>
> Thanks,
> JonNOT POSSIBLE.
Sorry, but that's it.
Adding more cards you can have more submixes in "card" possition.
Every card has its own 16 channel mixer and own DSP fx and fx returns.
Output of all submixes (cards) are summed together and output
to master card mix and control room outputs. Master FX are related to
master card only and therefore affects master card DSP chips only. (6 per
card)
Even aux sends are NOT summed across all submixes (cards).
That is advantage, but in some cases BIG disadvantage.
And finally, no cross conections between different cards and MEC's
are possible in PARIS patchbay. That is worse of all.
Cheers.
Suad
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42516@linux...
> I just added a second eds 1000 card and want to have a mixer with 32
> channels instead of two at 16. Also want to load more effects on the
global
> master. I know it's probably simple, but I can't make it happen. Thanks.
>
>You might also check, if you haven't already, in Device Manager and see if
there are any conflicts and if any IRQs are being shared with Paris -
especially a video card.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b422b5@linux...
> os and projects ARE on different drives AND controllers and caching is
> turned OFF on both. Os is on IDE1 master and projects is on IDE2 master
>
> Edna wrote:
> > Not sure what the "MM" refers to(multimedia?). You might research this
> > error at Microsoft site. Do you have your OS and projects on different
> > drives/controllers?
> >
> > "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b3d299$1@linux...
> >
> >>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
> >>Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
> >>appreciated. This is very frustrating.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>cujo wrote:
> >>
> >>>So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
> >
> > have
> >
> >>>an issue woth closing paris.
> >>>I have to turn my comp off at the button.
> >>>Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
> >>>thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>gotcha, thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's
> >
> > where
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you
> >
> > have
> >
> >>>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
> >>>>>Rod
> >>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have
> >
> > Paris
> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
> >>>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
> >Well I guess that's why I couldn't figure it out. However, I am maxed out
on resources in the global master, but I have plenty of resource room on
card B (card A is maxed.) How do I use card B resources to add more effects
on the global master inserts?
Thanks
Kent
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b429e8@linux...
> NOT POSSIBLE.
>
> Sorry, but that's it.
>
> Adding more cards you can have more submixes in "card" possition.
> Every card has its own 16 channel mixer and own DSP fx and fx returns.
> Output of all submixes (cards) are summed together and output
> to master card mix and control room outputs. Master FX are related to
> master card only and therefore affects master card DSP chips only. (6 per
> card)
> Even aux sends are NOT summed across all submixes (cards).
> That is advantage, but in some cases BIG disadvantage.
> And finally, no cross conections between different cards and MEC's
> are possible in PARIS patchbay. That is worse of all.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Suad
>
>
> "RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42516@linux...
> > I just added a second eds 1000 card and want to have a mixer with 32
> > channels instead of two at 16. Also want to load more effects on the
> global
> > master. I know it's probably simple, but I can't make it happen.
Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>Didn't read your post thoroughly enough. I see that you said Master FX only
correspond to the master card. So load the global FX on card A, right?
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b429e8@linux...
> NOT POSSIBLE.
>
> Sorry, but that's it.
>
> Adding more cards you can have more submixes in "card" possition.
> Every card has its own 16 channel mixer and own DSP fx and fx returns.
> Output of all submixes (cards) are summed together and output
> to master card mix and control room outputs. Master FX are related to
> master card only and therefore affects master card DSP chips only. (6 per
> card)
> Even aux sends are NOT summed across all submixes (cards).
> That is advantage, but in some cases BIG disadvantage.
> And finally, no cross conections between different cards and MEC's
> are possible in PARIS patchbay. That is worse of all.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Suad
>
>
> "RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42516@linux...
> > I just added a second eds 1000 card and want to have a mixer with 32
> > channels instead of two at 16. Also want to load more effects on the
> global
> > master. I know it's probably simple, but I can't make it happen.
Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote:
>
>.. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
Depends how you'd define "fortune".... if you're talking about
under $2k, I'd say my Chandler TG2... if you're talking about
under a grand & a single channel pre, it be the Grace 101 - they
can't do everything, but they're super-clean, and you can always
find a way to work with "clean".
NeilNeil,
I think the new mp5 format will actually fit the world on a single layer
DVD-R. I hear the high end is pretty grainy though. ;>)
Tony
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:43b42073$1@linux...
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>Does anyone have a web site that makes it clear regarding audio cds and
>
>>video dvds regarding copying? Like:
>
> I don't know of a specific web site, but copyright law
> essentially states (with regard to your particular questions):
>
>>Can you copy a cd you own?
>
> Yes, for your own use. Not to be distributed to anyone else,
> regardless of whether or not you profit from said distribution.
>
>>Can you copy a friends cd if you own the vinyl album?
>
> Yes, because you've already paid for the particular work
> yourself, albeit in a different format, is all - again, for
> your own use you can can do this. Now, if the vinyl edition you
> own is different from the CD version (example: the CD has bonus
> tracks) it's a different story... you'd be OK, I believe, from
> a legal standpoint, if you copied only the tracks from the CD
> that you already own on the vinyl version.
>
>>Can you copy a cd you get from the library?
>
> Nope.
>
>>Can you copy a dvd that you own?
>
> Yes, for your own use. Not to be distributed... etc, etc.
>
>>Can you copy a dvd that you get from the library?
>
> Nope.
>
>>Can you copy the world onto your video/audio ipod?
>
> I don't think the whole world can fit into 6 gigs.
>
> NeilHeh. 13 years ago, when I was still playing with bands I used
one to send midi to stagebox and then with snake to MIX engineer
so I was changing presets in his FX rack for each song, all along
with programs on my keyboards and PAD presets for drummer.
That was cool for early 90's! Espetially in Croatia in the middle of WAR!
But, I made it myself.
It's very simple. Just solder an XLR to MIDI.
You can take an high quality shielded MIDI cable and cut it in the middle,
and then solder an male and female XLRs. (Neutrik if possible)
Note that MIDI uses only 3 pins.
Make sure that you connect ground (pin2 at midi and cable shield) to XLR pin
1.
You can solder MIDI pin 4 to XLR 2 and MIDI pin 5 to XLR 3.
Midi pins 1 and 3 are not used.
And again - You MUST use XLR pin 1 for ground, to avoid MIDI interfering
with other audio lines inside the snake.
There are schematics:
Midi IN : http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/serial/midiin.html
Midi OUT : http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/serial/midiout.html
If you have any questions, contact me at suad@sail.hr or call at +385 91
3737465
Cheers!
Suad
"Mark McCurdy" <mark@mccurdy.net> wrote in message news:43b3edee@linux...
> I'm looking for an adapter that will allow me to send a midi signal down a
> standard XLR snake. I've seen them so I know they exist but it's been
> years. Does anyone know of a company that would still make these?
>
>
>Is this db from our group? If so, I'm very sorry to hear it. If not, still
very sorry to hear it. Passing away on a holiday has to be extra hard for
those loved ones left behind. Hopefully they can find a way to make
Christmas a day to remember the happy times and honor his life, rather than
his death.
Tony
"zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote in message
news:43b36617@linux...
> In case anyone's interested and not aware, Derek Bailey passed away
> December
> 25th (Christmas) in London from Lou Gehrig's disease.
>
>Yep.
Master FX - Master card.
If the sharing DSP resources between the cards is possible,
audio cross-conections between the cards and MECs will also
be possible in PARIS patchbay. It is an PARIS hardware fact.
New PARIS hardware design should solve this "issue".
....but, not in this lifetime. ;-)
Btw, how did you maxed DSP's? What fx did you used?
Cheers!
Suad
"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42b39@linux...
> Didn't read your post thoroughly enough. I see that you said Master FX
only
> correspond to the master card. So load the global FX on card A, right?
>
> "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b429e8@linux...
> > NOT POSSIBLE.
> >
> > Sorry, but that's it.
> >
> > Adding more cards you can have more submixes in "card" possition.
> > Every card has its own 16 channel mixer and own DSP fx and fx returns.
> > Output of all submixes (cards) are summed together and output
> > to master card mix and control room outputs. Master FX are related to
> > master card only and therefore affects master card DSP chips only. (6
per
> > card)
> > Even aux sends are NOT summed across all submixes (cards).
> > That is advantage, but in some cases BIG disadvantage.
> > And finally, no cross conections between different cards and MEC's
> > are possible in PARIS patchbay. That is worse of all.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Suad
> >
> >
> > "RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42516@linux...
> > > I just added a second eds 1000 card and want to have a mixer with 32
> > > channels instead of two at 16. Also want to load more effects on the
> > global
> > > master. I know it's probably simple, but I can't make it happen.
> Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>No limit on the global insert, compressors and reverbs on card A mixer
inserts. No limit gobles resources. Wanted to try Pseudo on the global.
New paris hardware design. That is funny.
Kent
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b430ff$1@linux...
> Yep.
>
> Master FX - Master card.
>
> If the sharing DSP resources between the cards is possible,
> audio cross-conections between the cards and MECs will also
> be possible in PARIS patchbay. It is an PARIS hardware fact.
> New PARIS hardware design should solve this "issue".
> ...but, not in this lifetime. ;-)
>
> Btw, how did you maxed DSP's? What fx did you used?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Suad
>
>
> "RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42b39@linux...
> > Didn't read your post thoroughly enough. I see that you said Master FX
> only
> > correspond to the master card. So load the global FX on card A, right?
> >
> > "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b429e8@linux...
> > > NOT POSSIBLE.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but that's it.
> > >
> > > Adding more cards you can have more submixes in "card" possition.
> > > Every card has its own 16 channel mixer and own DSP fx and fx returns.
> > > Output of all submixes (cards) are summed together and output
> > > to master card mix and control room outputs. Master FX are related to
> > > master card only and therefore affects master card DSP chips only. (6
> per
> > > card)
> > > Even aux sends are NOT summed across all submixes (cards).
> > > That is advantage, but in some cases BIG disadvantage.
> > > And finally, no cross conections between different cards and MEC's
> > > are possible in PARIS patchbay. That is worse of all.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Suad
> > >
> > >
> > > "RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b42516@linux...
> > > > I just added a second eds 1000 card and want to have a mixer with 32
> > > > channels instead of two at 16. Also want to load more effects on
the
> > > global
> > > > master. I know it's probably simple, but I can't make it happen.
> > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>Suad, that is very cool!
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Suad wrote:
> Heh. 13 years ago, when I was still playing with bands I used
> one to send midi to stagebox and then with snake to MIX engineer
> so I was changing presets in his FX rack for each song, all along
> with programs on my keyboards and PAD presets for drummer.
>
> That was cool for early 90's! Espetially in Croatia in the middle of WAR!
>
> But, I made it myself.
> It's very simple. Just solder an XLR to MIDI.
> You can take an high quality shielded MIDI cable and cut it in the middle,
> and then solder an male and female XLRs. (Neutrik if possible)
> Note that MIDI uses only 3 pins.
> Make sure that you connect ground (pin2 at midi and cable shield) to XLR pin
> 1.
> You can solder MIDI pin 4 to XLR 2 and MIDI pin 5 to XLR 3.
> Midi pins 1 and 3 are not used.
> And again - You MUST use XLR pin 1 for ground, to avoid MIDI interfering
> with other audio lines inside the snake.
>
> There are schematics:
>
> Midi IN : http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/serial/midiin.html
> Midi OUT : http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/serial/midiout.html
>
> If you have any questions, contact me at suad@sail.hr or call at +385 91
> 3737465
>
> Cheers!
>
> Suad
>
>
>
>
> "Mark McCurdy" <mark@mccurdy.net> wrote in message news:43b3edee@linux...
>
>>I'm looking for an adapter that will allow me to send a midi signal down a
>>standard XLR snake. I've seen them so I know they exist but it's been
>>years. Does anyone know of a company that would still make these?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>OK all you SX3 to Paris lightpipers! What are you using as a control surface?
I know how much Deej liked the Behringer BCF2000!!! Is it still serving as
a doorstop by the way?
Thanks,
JonWell, most likely its not caused by the install path being wrong, as the default
assumes 3.0 (EMU). My bet is on bad implamentation of native plugs on Paris's
part. What native plugs were you running when the BSOD occured.
Rod
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>3.x
>
>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>> Are you using Paris 2.x or 3.x?
>> Rod
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
>>>Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
>>>appreciated. This is very frustrating.
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>>>cujo wrote:
>>>
>>>>So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
>>
>> have
>>
>>>>an issue woth closing paris.
>>>>I have to turn my comp off at the button.
>>>>Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
>>>>thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>gotcha, thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's
where
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If you
have
>>>>>>version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's the EMU directory thing ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't have
Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
>>>>>>>>Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>it doesn't seem to matter, I try a variety of plugs from waves to
wizooverb to sonalksis, to blue tubes to..........all die bsod in paris
land. they work great in wavelab
Rod Lincoln wrote:
> Well, most likely its not caused by the install path being wrong, as the default
> assumes 3.0 (EMU). My bet is on bad implamentation of native plugs on Paris's
> part. What native plugs were you running when the BSOD occured.
> Rod
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>3.x
>>
>>Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>
>>>Are you using Paris 2.x or 3.x?
>>>Rod
>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
>
>
>>>>Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
>>>>appreciated. This is very frustrating.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>cujo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I also
>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>
>>>>>an issue woth closing paris.
>>>>>I have to turn my comp off at the button.
>>>>>Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
>>>>>thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>John <
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Dimitrios
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fine choice for multimedia content creation (as is XP, while GNU\linux is
far, far away from being a viable option) and OS X is a truly disastrous
operating system when managing highly multi-threaded applications. Also,
apparently the compilers need a lot of work. Sound about right?
TCB
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.comHey Steve,
I certainly think that using the logic of "where the money comes from" is
trickier with individuals than with companies. It's pretty obvious to me
that you're an artist, it's pretty obvious to me that I most likely am not.
However, I use the money trail standard more when dealing with loser unemployed
people who call themselves artists or musicians and don't produce any music
or art. To those people, I am fond of saying, "you're a waiter. You can call
yourself Salvador Dali if you want to, but as long as you wait tables to
pay your rent you're a waiter." I'm also strict with myself. I don't call
myself a writer anymore, even though I write a lot in general and some for
money, but I'm a computer tech which to me is a perfectly honorable and noble
thing to be, just like a home care provider and an heir are perfectly honorable
and noble things to be.
As you know, I'm anything but mellow, and I'm not very "nice" either. After
working a year of 70-90 hour weeks keeping a network nearly 24/7 available
and I'll bite back when I'm told I'm "brainwashed" and uninformed. I yam
what I yam.
Boston is a weird town. The history is great, the land of John Admas and
all, but for some reason it always seems more pressured than even NYC. And
colder, of course, and full of colleges. Glad you're back on Northern California
with the cat.
TCB
"steve the artguy" <artguy@svnpilesofspittle.net> wrote:
>
>What a fascinating thread!
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same logic
>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you living.
>
>well.
>
>By that logic, I've been an in-home elder care provider for years, until
>the job disappeared, and now I'm a heir. Art and music haven't paid my rent
>entirely probably for a decade. But I prefer to think of myself as an artist/musician.
>Pride on my part.
>
>As to those pesky computer things, I love 'em all. I'm typing on my old
second-hand,
>internet-virus-proof iMac, which works just swell. Beside me is my handmade
>XP machine, which hums along swimmingly on two monitors. The G4 is waiting
>for me to finally get my act together and install Paris in it. When will
>it happen? Who knows? So many things seem to intrude.
>
>Jamie and Thad are among my favorite online folk. {I've met Jamie in person,
>so I know he's really as mellow as he says. I feel like I"ve met Thad, but
>we've only talked online.) They both have forgotten more than I'll ever
know.
>Dj, too, only he's truly dangerous...!
>
>Meanwhile, Boston was fun - a cold, a crowded schedule, and just plain fear
>of the unknown stopped me from contacting Paris folk in the area. Sorry.
>I'll try again if there's a next time -
>
>The cat is asleep on my lap.
>
>-steve the jetlaggedhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4564944.stm
Tom Cruise voted *both* the best movie star in the world and the
most annoying movie star in the world...
hilarious.
Oh, and he beat out De Niro...
Besides, EVERYONE knows that Marty Feldman was the best movie
star ever...
Walk THIS way....
DCthank you matt drudge...
"DC" <dc@spamtom.org> wrote in message news:43b46e2f$1@linux...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4564944.stm
>
> Tom Cruise voted *both* the best movie star in the world and the
> most annoying movie star in the world...
>
> hilarious.
>
> Oh, and he beat out De Niro...
>
> Besides, EVERYONE knows that Marty Feldman was the best movie
> star ever...
>
> Walk THIS way....
>
>
> DC
>lol... classic wierdness...
hey steve you're a wimp! haha j/k
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b46e22$1@linux...
>
> Hey Steve,
>
> I certainly think that using the logic of "where the money comes from" is
> trickier with individuals than with companies. It's pretty obvious to me
> that you're an artist, it's pretty obvious to me that I most likely am
> not.
> However, I use the money trail standard more when dealing with loser
> unemployed
> people who call themselves artists or musicians and don't produce any
> music
> or art. To those people, I am fond of saying, "you're a waiter. You can
> call
> yourself Salvador Dali if you want to, but as long as you wait tables to
> pay your rent you're a waiter." I'm also strict with myself. I don't call
> myself a writer anymore, even though I write a lot in general and some for
> money, but I'm a computer tech which to me is a perfectly honorable and
> noble
> thing to be, just like a home care provider and an heir are perfectly
> honorable
> and noble things to be.
>
> As you know, I'm anything but mellow, and I'm not very "nice" either.
> After
> working a year of 70-90 hour weeks keeping a network nearly 24/7 available
> and I'll bite back when I'm told I'm "brainwashed" and uninformed. I yam
> what I yam.
>
> Boston is a weird town. The history is great, the land of John Admas and
> all, but for some reason it always seems more pressured than even NYC. And
> colder, of course, and full of colleges. Glad you're back on Northern
> California
> with the cat.
>
> TCB
>
> "steve the artguy" <artguy@svnpilesofspittle.net> wrote:
>>
>>What a fascinating thread!
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>logic
>>>I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make you
>>>living.
>>
>>well.
>>
>>By that logic, I've been an in-home elder care provider for years, until
>>the job disappeared, and now I'm a heir. Art and music haven't paid my
>>rent
>>entirely probably for a decade. But I prefer to think of myself as an
>>artist/musician.
>>Pride on my part.
>>
>>As to those pesky computer things, I love 'em all. I'm typing on my old
> second-hand,
>>internet-virus-proof iMac, which works just swell. Beside me is my
>>handmade
>>XP machine, which hums along swimmingly on two monitors. The G4 is waiting
>>for me to finally get my act together and install Paris in it. When will
>>it happen? Who knows? So many things seem to intrude.
>>
>>Jamie and Thad are among my favorite online folk. {I've met Jamie in
>>person,
>>so I know he's really as mellow as he says. I feel like I"ve met Thad, but
>>we've only talked online.) They both have forgotten more than I'll ever
> know.
>>Dj, too, only he's truly dangerous...!
>>
>>Meanwhile, Boston was fun - a cold, a crowded schedule, and just plain
>>fear
>>of the unknown stopped me from contacting Paris folk in the area. Sorry.
>>I'll try again if there's a next time -
>>
>>The cat is asleep on my lap.
>>
>>-steve the jetlagged
>Thad, sorry to hear you're having a cranky day/year/whatever. I don't
envy your job running a mixed network 24/7. How you find time to write,
let alone record, I'll never know.
Since you say you're not trying to make a case that OSX sucks for media
production, then we're done. You did the googling for me on the
threading thing you brought up and I did it for you on the ease of Intel
porting thing you asked about, so we're even there.
Have a nicer day. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>OK, I'll take these in order.
>>
>>>As far as my qualifications, I'm not an MSCE and in fact I have no formal
>>>computer training at all. I have a dusty old humanities B.A. around here
>>>somewhere. As far as my knowledge of Macs, you might want to google my
>
> name
>
>>>along with words like "audio" "Apple" and "computers" to see what shows
>
> up.
>
>>>I probably had 30 articles published about Macs and audio before 90% of
>
> the
>
>>>people currently using computers for music had heard of one. I've been
>
> at
>
>>>this long enough that I remember booting into Open Firmware and having
>
> to
>
>>>learn a little bit about Forth scripting in order to boot [pirated] beta
>>>versions of BeOS and some Linux distro on a 603e based Mac. Am I a "Winoz"
>>>user? Yes and no.
>>
>>MSWindows and Linux seem to be where you have current experience.
>
>
> Probably in order of expertise I go Windows - Debian - OS X, though Debian
> is getting close. That said, when long time OS X only people break their
> machines (graphic designers, musicians, civilians) they call me to fix them
> and I do. Also, every article I write for Electronic Musician and the books
> I wrote I had to check on OS X and Mac compatibility. So I'd guess my OS
> X skills would be somewhere above the median for *techs* not users. I don't
> think ignorance clears the hurdle as an excuse.
>
>
>>>What exactly Apple is or isn't is purely subjective. I think they were
>
> a
>
>>>visionary company a long time ago. I think they are still a superb consumer
>>>electronics and design company, and nobody can managey hype like Steve
>
> Jobs.
>
>>>They were first to market with a really superb product that will be emblematic
>>>of the oncoming tidal wave of portable devices that will largely replace
>>>the desktop computers that we use now. Then again, they were first to
>
> make
>
>>>a home computer seem like a good (and chic) idea and they managed to parlay
>>>that into . . . near bankruptcy. That's what I think Apple is.
>>
>>What Apple was, actually. You should get up to date on that.
>>
>>Like Microsoft, Apple got stuck in their early 80s decisions and really
>
>
>>struggled to get past that.
>>
>>But that's ancient history at this point. Once the decision was made to
>
>
>>go with NeXTSTEP, things began to change. That's when Apple became very
>
>
>>interesting to me (although I did write for MacWEEK and MacUser before
>>OSX - so I know the era you're stuck in).
>>
>>As far as the financial performance NOW, the stock is through the roof FWIW.
>
>
> I'm not "stuck in" any era. I deal with these things all the time, maybe
> 15% of my tech work. And the stock going through the roof has jack to do
> with OS X, that's the iPod and there's a lot of future success built in to
> the current price.
>
>
>>>I don't think they've been terribly visionary of late.
>>
>>IOW, they don't support open source as much as you'd like. Which is a
>>fair point.
>>
>>But as far as providing capabilities for media production on fast
>>hardware, they've been doing pretty well of late. Long term support of a
>
>
>>new OS has paid off. Long term vision has come to fruition. You should
>>look into it.
>
>
> None of which has anything to do with the original question, which is whether
> OS X is or is not hindering the possible performance of the hardware on which
> it runs.
>
>
>>>You should read my other post to Jamie. The question put to me, somewhat
>>>snidely in my opinion, was to prove that I wasn't passing off "urban legend"
>>>about OS X performance being less than fantastic on PPC processors. This
>>>came in response to someone saying a 1.3 Ghz Celeron running OS X was
>
> out-benchmarking
>
>>>much faster/more expensive G5s. I had heard similar things some time back
>>>and investigated and found articles about how poorly multiple threads
>
> are
>
>>>managed. Presented with the fact that, surprisingly considering how dense
>>>I am, I was not peddling "urban legend" Jamie decided that OS X was good
>>>enough for him. This has absolutely nothing to do with the argument and
>
> I
>
>>>said so.
>>
>>Dude, sorry if I offended you. When you posted an assertion with no
>>references, I gave an opinion (email does not convey voice tonality -
>>I'm a very relaxed person so picture a calm voice). You backed up your
>>assertion after that and I gave you full credit for that.
>
>
> Dude, you didn't offend me, dude. However, dude, I don't like being told
> I'm passing undigested misinformation around as fact, nor do I like being
> called brainwashed (I realize the second part wasn't you). Also, as you probably
> have noticed over the years on this NG I'm not a particularly nice person
> and don't pretend to be otherwise. That said, I do have a good (though admitedly
> dark) sense of humor and am not averse to well founded criticism. Accusing
> me of dispensing "urban legend" without even taking the time to google "os
> x vs linux G5" does not, in my book, qualify as well founded critique, dude.
>
>
>
>>However, it's not just a matter of "good enough for me" although I offer
>
>
>>that as evidence in the discussion. It's a matter that despite a design
>
>
>>criticism of threading problems under certain kinds of server loads
>>MacOSX still manages to easily offer a better overall media production
>>platform than Linux, for the moment anyway. And IMO OSX also offers a
>>better experience than MSWindows.
>
>
> Throughout this discussion I have said every single time that linux is not
> a good platform for multi-media authoring. This has more to do with the fact
> that the software vendors us proprietary file formats and processing than
> the underlying OS. If VST ran under linux I'm sure ableton would produce
> the most badass version of Live you could imagind that I would run on double
> dual core Athlons and be the happiest kid around.
>
> But multi-media had nothing to do with this. OS X runs much slower in *any
> highly multi-threaded environment* be that server, workstation, or toaster
> oven. Server apps by their nature tend to spawn more threads, but not always.
>
>
>>So for your part, while it's well and good to look for weaknesses in OSX
>
>
>>as anyone can do, it would be more balanced to take the overall picture.
>
>
>>I don't see in any of your posts that you understand what Apple has
>>accomplished with OSX so far. It's head and shoulders above their
>>previous OS on many points. If you are only digging for the negative
>>then you will miss that.
>
>
> Saying OS X is better than OS 9 is like saying XP is better than Windows
> 3.1. I mean, it freaking better be, right?
>
>
>>In short, if you are saying OSX has some weaknesses, that's fine. If you
>
>
>>can't see the strengths of OSX, you are looking at an incomplete picture.
>>
>>If you're implying that OSX is not worth considering for media
>>production, that's simply incorrect.
>
>
> I never even implied such a thing, even a little bit.
>
>
>>>So on the desktop usability front (for civilians,
>>>of course, multi-media authoring is still only possible on XP/OS X) I'd
>
> say
>
>>>OS X and XP have roughly a 10% advantage over Ubuntu, probably 15% over
>
> vanilla
>
>>>Debian.
>>
>>For getting media work done I'd say OSX, then MSWindows, then Linux. A
>>paltry number of choices but there it is.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Of course both GNU\linux variants have an infinite advantage in freedom,
>>>and a huge advantage in package management/OS patching.
>>
>>True.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Remember, if this is a pissing contest I didn't start it. I provided factual
>>>information showing that OS X runs demonstrably slower under stress *on
>
> the
>
>>>same hardware* than does Yellow Dog Linux. For that I have been accused
>
> by
>
>>>Jamie of being a free software zealot and by you of being a Windows zealot.
>>>Y'all might want to huddle up and get your stories straight.
>>
>>I wouldn't say "accused" I'd say "recognized." Big difference. You are
>>certainly a Linux advocate and that's not at all a bad thing. If you
>>reread my posts with a more relaxed tone of voice in your head, you may
>
>
>>better understand.
>>
>>On the OSX vs. MSWindows thing, your current experience is with
>>MSWindows. If you worked with the current version OSX and tried some of
>
>
>>the currently available OSX software for a while I think your opinion
>>would change on some issues. Not the open source issue, though.
>
>
> Well, if you wanted to know if OS X is usable for multimedia content creation
> we could have saved ourselves a whole lot of time. That isn't what you asked
> to begin with. So, I would like to state unequivocally that OS X is a perfectly
> fine choice for multimedia content creation (as is XP, while GNU\linux is
> far, far away from being a viable option) and OS X is a truly disastrous
> operating system when managing highly multi-threaded applications. Also,
> apparently the compilers need a lot of work. Sound about right?
>
> TCB
>
>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>And I thought it was Sir Charles Nelson Riley!
"DC" <dc@spamtom.org> wrote:
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4564944.stm
>
>Tom Cruise voted *both* the best movie star in the world and the
>most annoying movie star in the world...
>
>hilarious.
>
>Oh, and he beat out De Niro...
>
>Besides, EVERYONE knows that Marty Feldman was the best movie
>star ever...
>
>Walk THIS way....
>
>
>DC
>Bite the bullet and buy a really good one. You will use it all the
time.
I like these
http://www.summitaudio.com/
TPA 200B 2 channels. Very, very nice. about 2400.00 street.
2BA-221 1 channel. Very nice and not expensive. about 550 street.
http://www.johnhardyco.com/M-1details.html
M1 clean, sweet and detailed. 1700.00 for 2 channels.
There are many more, but these 2 are my favorites.
DC
"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote:
>
>.. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
>
>Thanks,
>Jon"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>James, if you were really honest with yourself, you'd admit that Macs have
>as many problems (at least), as PC's.
>I work in an environment (my studio complex and TV networks), where there
>are plenty of Macs, (Avids etc), and the poor producers and editors are
>sometimes pulling their hair out with crashes / lockups etc.
>There is no one perfect system...they're just tools, nothing to get so
>offended or insulted about.
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
Martin, I wasn't looking to do a comparison, but if you want me to be honest,
i'll say A Mac running OSX isn't perfect, it just looks that way next to
an XP box; ) Remember I run multi platform. I was a computer dealer for
years and still could be if their was money in it. Anyways, I've used many
OSs, linux, yellow Dog, red hat, BeOS, Lindows, all versions of Mac and Windows.
I think they all have their strong and weak points.
As far as OSX crashing I've never had OSX crash, so I have no idea what your
media guys are doing, it may be a bug in the software they are running???
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43b3923d$1@linux...
>>
>> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>
>>>James, As someone who doesn't give a rats ass about computer platforms,
>> I'd
>>>like to suggest that Thad wasn't being confrontational, insulting, or
>>>derisive.
>>> You on the other hand have just called that "brainwashed" and accused
him
>>>of not knowing shit about what he was talking about. Chill out brother,
>>>it's just a manufactured product. It's not a religion.
>>>
>>>-Chris
>>
>>
>> I started a couple of threads about Mac OSX running on a PC hardware and
>> mac development and it is instant Mac bash fest. In effect , saying,
who
>> in their right mind would want to run a bloated inefficient piece of crap
>> like Mac OSX? That is rude and insulting, about 40% of us Paris users,
>> use Macs. Back up and read all the posts. The threads started out about
>> information, not what sucks and what doesn't. It wasn't an open
>> invitation
>> to bash the platform that many of us use. Nor was it meant to be the
kick
>> off of the next Mac vs. PC wars. My post was just to inform, not to start
>> a bunch of shit.
>>
>> Thad has a right to his opinion as do I. He stands by his opinion, and
so
>> do I. I say he doesn't have real experience or true knowledge of current
>> Macs because he does not use them. I would challenge him or anybody else
>> to use a current Mac for a Year, then come back with their criticisms.
>> Then
>> his criticisms would have merit, and wouldn't just be something he read
in
>> an anti Mac article. May be even he would see the light after a year.
>> The
>> lack of maintenance hassle, the ease of use, productivity gains and
>> usability,
>> multi media capability, feature set , available software, just to name
a
>> few. But of course he wont because Macs suck, just read what he has
>> posted.
>>
>> Chill out, sure I'll try, but the constant barrage of knocks are uncalled
>> for. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and
mean
>> spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
>> that
>> uses a Mac.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell
you
>>>>a
>>>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal
with
>>>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they
>>>>>still
>>>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>>>>it.
>>>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something
or
>>>>another
>>>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>>>>>company
>>>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their
>>>>>(apparently
>>>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>>>>tires
>>>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets
to
>>>get
>>>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can
do
>>>exactly
>>>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low
on
>>>my
>>>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two
so
>>>I'll
>>>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
>>>>I'll
>>>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>>>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>>>>really
>>>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>>>try
>>>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
>> Mac
>>>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
>> how
>>>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>>>>bashing
>>>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI for
>>>the
>>>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>>>>Computer,
>>>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
>> our
>>>>intellect.
>>>>
>>>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator in
>> the
>>>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give them
>>>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>>>>decisions.
>>>> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the
>>>> good
>>>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are
>>>>successful.
>>>> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more
>>>> people
>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would
make
>>>>Apple, a computer company.
>>>>
>>>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>>>> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>>>> efficient
>>>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't
what
>>>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
>> Mac
>>>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>>>
>>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but
at
>>>what???
>>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
>> best
>>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>>>>user
>>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like other
>>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or write
>>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>>Dog/Linux
>>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>> media
>>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>>friendly
>>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>>
>>>> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer
>>>> company,
>>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>>
>>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>>opinion.
>>>>
>>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
>> OS,
>>>>>
>>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>>>
>>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>
>>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the same
>>>>logic
>>>>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make
you
>>>>living.
>>>>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now
I'm
>>>>>a computer
>>>>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty
>>>>>>> articles
>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>>>By
>>>>>this
>>>>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>> where
>>>>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future
is,
>>>>>or
>>>>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but now
>>>he's
>>>>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>>>>>>> (M$oft
>>>>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>>like
>>>>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not
car
>>>>manufacturers.
>>>>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders
for
>>>>>the
>>>>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as
far
>>>>as
>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
>> of
>>>>>profits
>>>>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>>some
>>>>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
>> than
>>>>>on
>>>>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>> argue
>>>>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly that
>>>>the
>>>>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>> Apple
>>>>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD
>>>>>>> licensed
>>>>>code
>>>>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently
>>>>>>> CodeWarrior
>>>>>is
>>>>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>>either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when
I
>>>buy
>>>>>a
>>>>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for
me
>>>so
>>>>>I
>>>>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel
>>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between
the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if
what
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>
>>>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on an
>>
>>>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to
run
>>>>>as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run
>>>>>>>>translated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they run
>>>as
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>>>processing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on
the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction
and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly
>>>>>>>>compute
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for 3-D
>>>
>>>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC and
>>>
>>>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may
>>>>>>>>find
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>> years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>> computer
>>>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have an
>> enviable
>>>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>>>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X
off
>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my (soon
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>>>dubious
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship
>>>>>>>>>forming
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>>>may
>>>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>>appear
>>>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique
in
>>>that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>>else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> does,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>> point
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the
>>>>>>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of
>>>>>>>>>money
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to make
>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than
we
>>>>geeks
>>>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>>>it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not
>>>>>>>>>marketing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have been
>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Actually, he was voted "biggest", not best. Big difference.
And it's true. He is the biggest ever. The numbers are not a matter of
opinion.
Most annoying? Perhaps.
But DEFINITELY one of the creepiest.
BTW, the Pew polls are basically iron-clad, if you care.
Jimmy
"DC" <dc@spamtom.org> wrote in message news:43b46e2f$1@linux...
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4564944.stm
>
> Tom Cruise voted *both* the best movie star in the world and the
> most annoying movie star in the world...
>
> hilarious.
>
> Oh, and he beat out De Niro...
>
> Besides, EVERYONE knows that Marty Feldman was the best movie
> star ever...
>
> Walk THIS way....
>
>
> DC
>Great River.
Jimmy
"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote in message news:43b4287f$1@linux...
>
> .. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
>
> Thanks,
> JonHi James,
There is a way to crash an osx box - or any unix varient for that matter.
In unix, for a process to launch a new process, it has to first copy itself
and then change the copy into what it wants to create. And if the original
process is really big and the child it is trying to spawn is really small,
it still needs to create a process as big as itself just to launch the new
small process before it can shrink it down. This can take, for a short time,
a lot of RAM - sometimes too much. That's why OSX boxes with too little
memory can be prone to crashing depending on the software they are running.
Cheers!
Mike
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>James, if you were really honest with yourself, you'd admit that Macs have
>
>>as many problems (at least), as PC's.
>>I work in an environment (my studio complex and TV networks), where there
>
>>are plenty of Macs, (Avids etc), and the poor producers and editors are
>
>>sometimes pulling their hair out with crashes / lockups etc.
>>There is no one perfect system...they're just tools, nothing to get so
>>offended or insulted about.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>Martin, I wasn't looking to do a comparison, but if you want me to be honest,
>i'll say A Mac running OSX isn't perfect, it just looks that way next to
>an XP box; ) Remember I run multi platform. I was a computer dealer for
>years and still could be if their was money in it. Anyways, I've used many
>OSs, linux, yellow Dog, red hat, BeOS, Lindows, all versions of Mac and
Windows.
> I think they all have their strong and weak points.
>
>As far as OSX crashing I've never had OSX crash, so I have no idea what
your
>media guys are doing, it may be a bug in the software they are running???
>
>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:43b3923d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>James, As someone who doesn't give a rats ass about computer platforms,
>>> I'd
>>>>like to suggest that Thad wasn't being confrontational, insulting, or
>
>>>>derisive.
>>>> You on the other hand have just called that "brainwashed" and accused
>him
>>>>of not knowing shit about what he was talking about. Chill out brother,
>>>>it's just a manufactured product. It's not a religion.
>>>>
>>>>-Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> I started a couple of threads about Mac OSX running on a PC hardware
and
>>> mac development and it is instant Mac bash fest. In effect , saying,
>who
>>> in their right mind would want to run a bloated inefficient piece of
crap
>>> like Mac OSX? That is rude and insulting, about 40% of us Paris users,
>>> use Macs. Back up and read all the posts. The threads started out about
>>> information, not what sucks and what doesn't. It wasn't an open
>>> invitation
>>> to bash the platform that many of us use. Nor was it meant to be the
>kick
>>> off of the next Mac vs. PC wars. My post was just to inform, not to
start
>>> a bunch of shit.
>>>
>>> Thad has a right to his opinion as do I. He stands by his opinion, and
>so
>>> do I. I say he doesn't have real experience or true knowledge of current
>>> Macs because he does not use them. I would challenge him or anybody
else
>>> to use a current Mac for a Year, then come back with their criticisms.
>
>>> Then
>>> his criticisms would have merit, and wouldn't just be something he read
>in
>>> an anti Mac article. May be even he would see the light after a year.
>
>>> The
>>> lack of maintenance hassle, the ease of use, productivity gains and
>>> usability,
>>> multi media capability, feature set , available software, just to name
>a
>>> few. But of course he wont because Macs suck, just read what he has
>>> posted.
>>>
>>> Chill out, sure I'll try, but the constant barrage of knocks are uncalled
>>> for. The Mac bashing is more than just an opinion, it's ignorant and
>mean
>>> spirited, and it deserves a response. It really is a slam on anybody
>
>>> that
>>> uses a Mac.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you jump up and down and make a big fuss some companies will sell
>you
>>>>>a
>>>>>>machine without at OS. Often they won't, becuase they signed a deal
>with
>>>>>>Microsoft saying the never would do precisely that, and usually they
>
>>>>>>still
>>>>>>wind up paying for the Windows license anyway so they aren't easy about
>>>>>it.
>>>>>>Dell will sell me a linux box, but only Red Hat Enterprise something
>or
>>>>>another
>>>>>>which I just have to wipe off of it anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whether Apple is an intergrated HW/SW or an integrated sushi/sashimi
>
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>they shouldn't be legally allowed to force me to pay for their
>>>>>>(apparently
>>>>>>performance murdering) operating system. If I have a company that makes
>>>>>tires
>>>>>>I can't force my customers to buy my line of rims or fleece jackets
>to
>>>>get
>>>>>>my tires. That's explicitly against the law. But Apple and Dell can
>do
>>>>exactly
>>>>>>that to me as a consumer. Still can't figure out why but that's low
>on
>>>>my
>>>>>>list of battles to fight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However, my new AMD 64 laptop will be arriving in only a day or two
>so
>>>>I'll
>>>>>>get to find out how 64 bit Windows and Debian run on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's right, your a Windoz user, so please don't act like your not.
>
>>>>>I'll
>>>>>bet your even Microsoft certified!!! Aren't you? Or should I say brain
>>>>>washed! You may network Macs, but that doesn't mean you use them or
>
>>>>>really
>>>>>know shit about them. You make your statements based on what you read,
>>>>try
>>>>>using a Mac with OSX, and only OSX for a year then get back to all the
>>> Mac
>>>>>guys here. Then you can tell us how shitty Apple is as a company, and
>>> how
>>>>>inefficient and unusable Mac OSX is. As others have said, it's Mac
>>>>>bashing
>>>>>and it's getting old. I post some thing about what is going on,FYI
for
>>>>the
>>>>>Mac guys, and you go on the attack. It is obvious you hate Apple
>>>>>Computer,
>>>>>so don't try to come off as an equal opportunity hater, it's insulting
>>> our
>>>>>intellect.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple as a computer company has been probably the biggest innovator
in
>>> the
>>>>>personal computer industry. It's too bad some people refuse to give
them
>>>>>credit for all their innovation and vision, not to mention some great
>
>>>>>decisions.
>>>>> Through their history they have made some bad decisions, however the
>
>>>>> good
>>>>>decisions have out weighed the bad ones. That is why they are
>>>>>successful.
>>>>> The iPod is a great product, but it is a fact, there is a lot more
>>>>> people
>>>>>using Apple computers, than there are using Apple iPods. That would
>make
>>>>>Apple, a computer company.
>>>>>
>>>>>Apple has sold more UNIX based operating systems than any other company!
>>>>> I wouldn't call that insignificant. Your version of UNIX maybe more
>
>>>>> efficient
>>>>>and more robust as a net work server than Mac OS, however that isn't
>what
>>>>>Mac OS was geared for. It's nothing more than a pissing match, to say
>>> Mac
>>>>>OSX is inefficient compared to some other version of UNIX, but at what?
>>>>
>>>>>You can say that another version of UNIX is better than Mac OSX, but
>at
>>>>what???
>>>>>It's not as usable as a Mac. Certainly not for A/V, multi media! Isn't
>>>>>that where the computing world is going???
>>>>>
>>>>> Mac OSX is geared for personal computing, which in my opinion is the
>>> best
>>>>>OS for general, personal, and multi media computing. It's intuitive,
>
>>>>>user
>>>>>friendly, easy to use, and it's not a PITA to run and maintain like
other
>>>>>systems! Apple made it easy on you, you don't have to hack it, or
write
>>>>>your own software, but you can if you want. Maybe some day Yellow
>>>>>Dog/Linux
>>>>>will be able to keep up or surpass Mac OSX when it comes to A/V, multi
>>> media
>>>>>production, but not today. Mac OSX is much more usable, and user
>>>>>friendly
>>>>>for the majority of computer users than any other form of UNIX.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple is and will continue to be a great and innovative computer
>>>>> company,
>>>>>regardless of what people like you say.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's too bad some people wont let the facts get in the way of their
>>>>>opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not Apple that is the Borg, it's the alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You may want to ask Dell to make you a laptop without paying for the
>>> OS,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>since they are a hardware company. Apple is an integrated HW/SW company
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(call them what you wish, they do what they do) so that wouldn't be
>>>>>>>their thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Macworld expo is next month, just after the big Intel announcements.
>>>
>>>>>>>Should be an interesting month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>> As far as what Apple is, I'll stick by what I said. I apply the
same
>>>>>logic
>>>>>>>> I use to individuals and other companies--you are where you make
>you
>>>>>living.
>>>>>>>> I was a writer for two years because I made a living writing. Now
>I'm
>>>>>>a computer
>>>>>>>> tech, and if I write three novels this year and publish twenty
>>>>>>>> articles
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>> still a computer tech as long as I'm cashing checks to pay my rent.
>>>>By
>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>> logic Apple is an iPod company--that's where the margin is, that's
>>> where
>>>>>>>> they make a market leading product, and that's where their future
>is,
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>> of course isn't. Steve Jobs is obviously a brilliant fellow but
now
>>>>he's
>>>>>>>> out there competing with the biggest of the bigs, Sony, Microsoft
>
>>>>>>>> (M$oft
>>>>>>>> could give a rip about 5% of the desktop market, but they sure look
>>>>like
>>>>>>>> they're not laying down on the video front), Comcast, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As an aside, by this logic Ford and GM are finance companies not
>car
>>>>>manufacturers.
>>>>>>>> Save a few high end models and trucks their cars are loss leaders
>for
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> loands they sell people, so that makes them a finance company as
>far
>>>>>as
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>> concerned. And if you want a real hoot go find out what percentage
>>> of
>>>>>>profits
>>>>>>>> (not income, profits) the Playstation is for Sony's consumer
>>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>>> division.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I digress. I read most of those articles and they seem to offer
>>>>some
>>>>>>>> possible alternatives to why OS X on Intel could be so much faster
>>> than
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>> PPC. I still would vote for kernel changes, though thouse articles
>>> argue
>>>>>>>> against it, but according to those pieces the problem is mostly
that
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> compilers are really, really, really bad. It's not surprising that
>>> Apple
>>>>>>>> wouldn't want to improve gcc, it's GPL'd and Apple prefers BSD
>>>>>>>> licensed
>>>>>>code
>>>>>>>> it can outright steal, but it is surprising that apparently
>>>>>>>> CodeWarrior
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>> the best option and it's not exactly the best compiler in the world
>>>>either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any case, it looks like after all of those Photoshop bakeoffs
>
>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>> the years OS X users can look forward to a much faster computing
>
>>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yes, it's silly that I have to pay for a Windows license when
>I
>>>>buy
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>> laptop. Do you suppose Apple would knock $75 off of an iBook for
>me
>>>>so
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>> can put Yellow Dog on it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Another way of putting it is that Apple is a computer company with
>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>strong presence in the creative community, building a parallel
>>>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>around the marketing of creative works. There's a synergy between
>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>two lines that seems to be helping both.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>BTW, it's ridiculous to have to pay for either MacOSX or WiXP if
>what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>you really want is a Linux box.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How hard is it to make your app run on both PPC and Intel OSX? With
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rosetta it may already run unchanged.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From the "Universal Binary Programming Guidelines":
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Rosetta is a translation process that runs a PowerPC binary on
an
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Macintosh using an Intel microprocessor—it allows applications to
>run
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>nonnative binaries. Many, but not all, applications can run
>>>>>>>>>translated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Applications that run translated will never run as fast as they
run
>>>>as
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>native binary because the translation process itself incurs a
>>>>>>>>>processing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>cost. How compatible your application is with Rosetta depends on
>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>type of application. Applications that have a lot of user interaction
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and low computational needs, such as a word processor, are quite
>>>>>>>>>compatible. Those that have a moderate amount of user interaction
>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>some high computational needs or that use OpenGL are, in most cases,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>also quite compatible. Those that have intense computing needs aren’t
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>compatible. This includes applications that need to repeatedly
>>>>>>>>>compute
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>fast Fourier transforms (FFTs), that compute complex models for
3-D
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>modelling, or compute ray tracing. "
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>OK, so how hard is it to make your app run NATIVELY on both PPC
and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Intel OSX?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://emperor.tidbits.com/TidBITS/Talk/493/?@572.UOwNar5Sbg j@
>>>>>>>>>http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20051209073025309
>>>>>>>>>http://osx86.theplaceforitall.com/software/
>>>>>>>>> http://www.momathome.com/viewfromhome/2005/06/adobe_porting. php
>>>>>>>>>http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=130673
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>PS. Here's a discussion about early decisions in OSX that you may
>
>>>>>>>>>find
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>interesting:
>>>>>>>>>http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000044.php
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1431
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Makes a lot of sense, especially if Apple is realizing now (a few
>>> years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a lot of us) that they're an iPod company dressed up as a desktop
>>> computer
>>>>>>>>>>manufacturer. Their consumer electronics are high margin, have
an
>>> enviable
>>>>>>>>>>market share, and are known as "best of breed" by the purchasing
>
>>>>>>>>>>public.
>>>>>>>>>>The computers they make are the precise opposite. If they get their
>>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>>>costs in line I'm all for it--I'd be just as happy to wipe OS X
>off
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>laptop to put Debian on it as I am happy to wipe XP Home of my
(soon
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>delivered) HP laptop to put Debian on it. One thing I do find highly
>>>>>>dubious
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>######################################
>>>>>>>>>>The analyst also fueled rumors of an even closer relationship
>>>>>>>>>>forming
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Apple and Intel, saying there are indications that the two companies
>>>>>>may
>>>>>>>>>>be working together on a custom microprocessor chip-set that would
>>>>appear
>>>>>>>>>>only in Apple systems.
>>>>>>>>>>#####################################
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It wouldn't surprise me if Apple has a "chipset" that is unique
>in
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>uses a bunch of commodity parts put together in a way that nothing
>>>>else
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> does,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>or it might have some embedded graphics or whatnot. But the whole
>>> point
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Intel Mac is getting margins back up by reducing costs on the
>>>>>>>>>>hardware
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and a truly proprietary chipset will cost an enormous amount of
>
>>>>>>>>>>money
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a company with such a small market share. That doesn't seem to
make
>>>>>sense
>>>>>>>>>>unless they word "chipset" is being used in a different way than
>we
>>>>>geeks
>>>>>>>>>>use it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Does anyone know about the development issues? How easy/tough will
>>>>it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to port apps over to the Intel Macs? From real sources, not
>>>>>>>>>>marketing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm guessing it will be fairly easy as long as developers have
been
>>>>>playing
>>>>>>>>>>by the rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Actually, he was voted "biggest", not best. Big difference.
Oh good, cuz Marty Feldman was the best.
Igor, would you help me with the bags?
Have a nice New Years! Let's all go see some blues or jazz and
leave our computers off and forget about politics!
DCI almost posted Marty Feldman a few minutes ago! That's hilarious!
Really. That's pretty weird.
"Damn your eyes!"
"Too late!"
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43b4a0ff$1@linux...
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Actually, he was voted "biggest", not best. Big difference.
>
> Oh good, cuz Marty Feldman was the best.
>
> Igor, would you help me with the bags?
>
>
> Have a nice New Years! Let's all go see some blues or jazz and
> leave our computers off and forget about politics!
>
>
> DCI think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on this
drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly prior
to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options anywhere.
I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check this?
2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2 Corsair
XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a time.
Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I have
tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the things
that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to the
4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while since
I've unlimbered my 12ga.
Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate danger
right about now.
TIA,
Deejo'yeah......should write caching be enabled on my HD's? Could this be a
problem? Guess i should check huh?
Grrrrr..........;o(
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>
> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
this
> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
prior
> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>
> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
anywhere.
> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check this?
>
> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
Corsair
> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
time.
> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
have
> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
things
> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
the
> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>
> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
since
> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>
> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
danger
> right about now.
>
> TIA,
>
> Deej
>
>
>Well........****!!! I just figured out the RAM situation. Due to the
southbridge resource allocation on the mobo, 4G of DDR will only show up as
3G and change.....which is exactly what is happening. RTFM is such a PITA
sometimes ;oP
OK.......so that's solved........now WTF is happening with my HD and
BFD???.............Grrrrrrrr..........;o(
guess I'll read some more, but I still can't find where to check to see
whether DMA is enabled/disabled..
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>
> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
this
> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
prior
> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>
> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
anywhere.
> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check this?
>
> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
Corsair
> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
time.
> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
have
> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
things
> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
the
> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>
> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
since
> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>
> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
danger
> right about now.
>
> TIA,
>
> Deej
>
>
>Hey Deej,
Well, it sounds to me like these are two unrelated problems. Problem number
one sounds like software of some kind. DMA isn't really an issue, it's enabled
by default. The real sign that it's software is ghosting back to the original
setup makes it work. Is there another drive on that IDE controller? Check
to be sure it isn't on cable select or something screwy like that.
The second problem DOES sound like hardware. What's the mobo? I might do
a www.google.com/groups search to see if anyone else is having the same problem
with the memory. I'd also check with the mobo vendor for a BIOS update, it
certainly sounds like the memory hardware is fine and it's a mobo issue.
In case you're wondering, I'm posting this from my admitedly heavly and clunky
new HP laptop but it's running Debian amd64 testing like a champ. The amd64
installers seem a little more tempermental but all of that Windows nastiness
is off of it already. Too bad I'll have to put it back on to get Live running
on it.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
>I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>
>1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
>Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on this
>drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
>discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
>any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
>Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly prior
>to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>
>I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
>wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options anywhere.
>I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check this?
>
>2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2 Corsair
>XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a time.
>Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I have
>tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the things
>that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
the
>4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
>tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
>fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
>memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>
>I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while since
>I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>
>Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate danger
>right about now.
>
>TIA,
>
>Deej
>
>
>DMA is always enabled with XP. Is there a really good reason why you're not
on SP2? It was a bit of a bear to start but I always use it now. Sort of
like what SP3 was with NT or OS 8.1 with a Mac.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Well........****!!! I just figured out the RAM situation. Due to the
>southbridge resource allocation on the mobo, 4G of DDR will only show up
as
>3G and change.....which is exactly what is happening. RTFM is such a PITA
>sometimes ;oP
>
>OK.......so that's solved........now WTF is happening with my HD and
>BFD???.............Grrrrrrrr..........;o(
>
>guess I'll read some more, but I still can't find where to check to see
>whether DMA is enabled/disabled..
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
>> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
>> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>>
>> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
>> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
>this
>> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
>> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
>> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
>> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
>prior
>> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>>
>> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
>> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
>anywhere.
>> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check this?
>>
>> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
>Corsair
>> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
>time.
>> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
>have
>> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
>things
>> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks
to
>the
>> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
>> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when
a
>> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
>> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>>
>> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
>since
>> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>>
>> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
>danger
>> right about now.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>
>Great River mp-2nv (or 1nv for budget considerations)
"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote in message news:43b4287f$1@linux...
>
> .. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>guess I'll read some more, but I still can't find where to check to see
>whether DMA is enabled/disabled..
Control Panel, then Device Manager, then IDE ATA/ATAPI
Controllers, then select whichever IDE channel (primary or
secondary) you want to check... then right-click and
select "Properties", then click on the "Advanced Settings" tab
in the mini-window that pops up, then make sure your "Device
type" is set for Auto-Detection (instead of "None"), then look
right below that in the Transfer Mode menu for an option that
says "DMA, if available".
Then take two aspirin, and a shot of Vodka, and call me before
10:30p Mountain Time this evening if you still need some
help... 915-585-3806.
NeilDon, as much classical recording as you do, I'm surprised you're
recommending the Summitt stuff... it's some of the dirtier tube
gear out there, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I've used a few of
their pieces & like them a lot for certain things, but it's far
from serious Class-A tube electronics.
Explain yourself, sir! lol
Neil
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote:
>
>Bite the bullet and buy a really good one. You will use it all the
>time.
>
>I like these
>
>http://www.summitaudio.com/
>
>TPA 200B 2 channels. Very, very nice. about 2400.00 street.
>
>2BA-221 1 channel. Very nice and not expensive. about 550 street.
>
>http://www.johnhardyco.com/M-1details.html
>
>M1 clean, sweet and detailed. 1700.00 for 2 channels.
>
>There are many more, but these 2 are my favorites.
>
>DC
>
>
>
>
>"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote:
>>
>>.. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jon
>
>
>Thad,
I found the problem. This drive is master on IDE channel two. I located the
menu to check it in Device Manager under IDE/ATAPI controllers>right
click>advanced. this drive is running in PIO mode. that would screw the
pooch for an audio drive, dont'cha think? When I doubleclick on the IDE2
controller icon to open it up in the device manager, Device manager hangs
and the whole system is starting to lose it's former feeling of stability.
I'm pretty sure I've got a faulty device.
Windows will disable DMA mode if it receives certain errors and more than 6
x DMA timeouts occur. You can sometimes turn it back on by
uninstalling/reinstalling the device. No luck here. I've tried repeatedly.
It's stuck on PIO. I checked Seagate's site and there's no driver that I'm
missing. The Barracuda uses a default Windows driver.
Luckily I've got another kickass 250G WD with 8MB cache drive here that I
know is good and this will cover my needs for a while.
I'm going to send this Barracuda back to OWC for a replacement. Funny. I've
got a 10 year old Barracuda SCSI drive running in one of my *non critical*
workstations. I've always trusted Seagate. This is the last thing I would
have expected. Now once I get the new WD drive loaded, if it shows only PIO
mode too, then that likely a mobo glitch and *will* be cause for additional
wailing, gnashing of teeth......etc..
Appreciate your feedback man. It's sure good to have you back around here.
;o)
"tcb" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b4a9f0$1@linux...
>
> Hey Deej,
>
> Well, it sounds to me like these are two unrelated problems. Problem
number
> one sounds like software of some kind. DMA isn't really an issue, it's
enabled
> by default. The real sign that it's software is ghosting back to the
original
> setup makes it work. Is there another drive on that IDE controller? Check
> to be sure it isn't on cable select or something screwy like that.
>
> The second problem DOES sound like hardware. What's the mobo? I might do
> a www.google.com/groups search to see if anyone else is having the same
problem
> with the memory. I'd also check with the mobo vendor for a BIOS update, it
> certainly sounds like the memory hardware is fine and it's a mobo issue.
>
> In case you're wondering, I'm posting this from my admitedly heavly and
clunky
> new HP laptop but it's running Debian amd64 testing like a champ. The
amd64
> installers seem a little more tempermental but all of that Windows
nastiness
> is off of it already. Too bad I'll have to put it back on to get Live
running
> on it.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
> >I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
> >
> >1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
> >Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
this
> >drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
> >discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
> >any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
> >Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
prior
> >to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
> >
> >I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
> >wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
anywhere.
> >I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
this?
> >
> >2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
Corsair
> >XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
time.
> >Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
have
> >tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
things
> >that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
> the
> >4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
> >tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
> >configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
> >fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
> >memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
> >
> >I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
since
> >I've unlimbered my 12ga.
> >
> >Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
danger
> >right about now.
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >
>Hey thanks Neil. I found it as you can tell from my post. I may just give
you a call anyway though.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:43b4ad0b$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >guess I'll read some more, but I still can't find where to check to see
> >whether DMA is enabled/disabled..
>
> Control Panel, then Device Manager, then IDE ATA/ATAPI
> Controllers, then select whichever IDE channel (primary or
> secondary) you want to check... then right-click and
> select "Properties", then click on the "Advanced Settings" tab
> in the mini-window that pops up, then make sure your "Device
> type" is set for Auto-Detection (instead of "None"), then look
> right below that in the Transfer Mode menu for an option that
> says "DMA, if available".
>
> Then take two aspirin, and a shot of Vodka, and call me before
> 10:30p Mountain Time this evening if you still need some
> help... 915-585-3806.
>
> NeilYou guys are very smart.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4b35c@linux...
> Thad,
>
> I found the problem. This drive is master on IDE channel two. I located
the
> menu to check it in Device Manager under IDE/ATAPI controllers>right
> click>advanced. this drive is running in PIO mode. that would screw the
> pooch for an audio drive, dont'cha think? When I doubleclick on the IDE2
> controller icon to open it up in the device manager, Device manager hangs
> and the whole system is starting to lose it's former feeling of stability.
> I'm pretty sure I've got a faulty device.
>
> Windows will disable DMA mode if it receives certain errors and more than
6
> x DMA timeouts occur. You can sometimes turn it back on by
> uninstalling/reinstalling the device. No luck here. I've tried repeatedly.
> It's stuck on PIO. I checked Seagate's site and there's no driver that I'm
> missing. The Barracuda uses a default Windows driver.
> Luckily I've got another kickass 250G WD with 8MB cache drive here that I
> know is good and this will cover my needs for a while.
>
> I'm going to send this Barracuda back to OWC for a replacement. Funny.
I've
> got a 10 year old Barracuda SCSI drive running in one of my *non critical*
> workstations. I've always trusted Seagate. This is the last thing I would
> have expected. Now once I get the new WD drive loaded, if it shows only
PIO
> mode too, then that likely a mobo glitch and *will* be cause for
additional
> wailing, gnashing of teeth......etc..
>
> Appreciate your feedback man. It's sure good to have you back around here.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "tcb" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b4a9f0$1@linux...
> >
> > Hey Deej,
> >
> > Well, it sounds to me like these are two unrelated problems. Problem
> number
> > one sounds like software of some kind. DMA isn't really an issue, it's
> enabled
> > by default. The real sign that it's software is ghosting back to the
> original
> > setup makes it work. Is there another drive on that IDE controller?
Check
> > to be sure it isn't on cable select or something screwy like that.
> >
> > The second problem DOES sound like hardware. What's the mobo? I might do
> > a www.google.com/groups search to see if anyone else is having the same
> problem
> > with the memory. I'd also check with the mobo vendor for a BIOS update,
it
> > certainly sounds like the memory hardware is fine and it's a mobo issue.
> >
> > In case you're wondering, I'm posting this from my admitedly heavly and
> clunky
> > new HP laptop but it's running Debian amd64 testing like a champ. The
> amd64
> > installers seem a little more tempermental but all of that Windows
> nastiness
> > is off of it already. Too bad I'll have to put it back on to get Live
> running
> > on it.
> >
> > TCB
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > >I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
gremlins.
> > >I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
> > >
> > >1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
> > >Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
> this
> > >drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
> > >discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples
with
> > >any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
sucks.
> > >Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
> prior
> > >to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
> > >
> > >I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
> > >wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> anywhere.
> > >I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
> this?
> > >
> > >2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
> Corsair
> > >XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
> time.
> > >Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
> have
> > >tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
> things
> > >that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks
to
> > the
> > >4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I
have
> > >tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
> > >configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
> > >fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
> > >memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
> > >
> > >I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
> since
> > >I've unlimbered my 12ga.
> > >
> > >Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
> danger
> > >right about now.
> > >
> > >TIA,
> > >
> > >Deej
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>Looks like it's a mainboard issue after all. IDE 2 master is showing PIO
mode with the new drive as well. I know for sure this is a good drive. IDE2
slave is showing up as DMA so there you go. What a friggin PITA. These
boards are pretty rare commodoties. Bummer. Since it's a master drive, I'll
bet that screws up my ability to hang a CDR on it and have much in the way
of throughput to the IDE2 slave, which would need to be either the audio
drive or the dedicated drive for streaming samples. I wonder though. Guess
it's worth a try until I can sort this out.
;o(
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4b35c@linux...
> Thad,
>
> I found the problem. This drive is master on IDE channel two. I located
the
> menu to check it in Device Manager under IDE/ATAPI controllers>right
> click>advanced. this drive is running in PIO mode. that would screw the
> pooch for an audio drive, dont'cha think? When I doubleclick on the IDE2
> controller icon to open it up in the device manager, Device manager hangs
> and the whole system is starting to lose it's former feeling of stability.
> I'm pretty sure I've got a faulty device.
>
> Windows will disable DMA mode if it receives certain errors and more than
6
> x DMA timeouts occur. You can sometimes turn it back on by
> uninstalling/reinstalling the device. No luck here. I've tried repeatedly.
> It's stuck on PIO. I checked Seagate's site and there's no driver that I'm
> missing. The Barracuda uses a default Windows driver.
> Luckily I've got another kickass 250G WD with 8MB cache drive here that I
> know is good and this will cover my needs for a while.
>
> I'm going to send this Barracuda back to OWC for a replacement. Funny.
I've
> got a 10 year old Barracuda SCSI drive running in one of my *non critical*
> workstations. I've always trusted Seagate. This is the last thing I would
> have expected. Now once I get the new WD drive loaded, if it shows only
PIO
> mode too, then that likely a mobo glitch and *will* be cause for
additional
> wailing, gnashing of teeth......etc..
>
> Appreciate your feedback man. It's sure good to have you back around here.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "tcb" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b4a9f0$1@linux...
> >
> > Hey Deej,
> >
> > Well, it sounds to me like these are two unrelated problems. Problem
> number
> > one sounds like software of some kind. DMA isn't really an issue, it's
> enabled
> > by default. The real sign that it's software is ghosting back to the
> original
> > setup makes it work. Is there another drive on that IDE controller?
Check
> > to be sure it isn't on cable select or something screwy like that.
> >
> > The second problem DOES sound like hardware. What's the mobo? I might do
> > a www.google.com/groups search to see if anyone else is having the same
> problem
> > with the memory. I'd also check with the mobo vendor for a BIOS update,
it
> > certainly sounds like the memory hardware is fine and it's a mobo issue.
> >
> > In case you're wondering, I'm posting this from my admitedly heavly and
> clunky
> > new HP laptop but it's running Debian amd64 testing like a champ. The
> amd64
> > installers seem a little more tempermental but all of that Windows
> nastiness
> > is off of it already. Too bad I'll have to put it back on to get Live
> running
> > on it.
> >
> > TCB
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > >I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
gremlins.
> > >I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
> > >
> > >1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
> > >Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
> this
> > >drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
> > >discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples
with
> > >any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
sucks.
> > >Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
> prior
> > >to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
> > >
> > >I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
> > >wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> anywhere.
> > >I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
> this?
> > >
> > >2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
> Corsair
> > >XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
> time.
> > >
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Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
Registered: August 2005
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Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
> have
> > >tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
> things
> > >that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks
to
> > the
> > >4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I
have
> > >tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
> > >configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
> > >fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
> > >memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
> > >
> > >I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
> since
> > >I've unlimbered my 12ga.
> > >
> > >Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
> danger
> > >right about now.
> > >
> > >TIA,
> > >
> > >Deej
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>It gets wierder. I just shuffled the drives. I hung the DVDR on IDE 2 as
master and the sample drive as IDE2 slave. Now IDE2 master mode is showing
up DMA2 and the sample drive is DMA5. I don't know enough about this
situation to know if the DMA2 on the IDE2 master will bottleneck the sample
drive, or not, but right now, it's streaming samples from BFD without
breathing hard at all. Are all computers this bizarre or just *my*
computers?
;oP
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>
> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
this
> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
prior
> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>
> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
anywhere.
> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check this?
>
> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
Corsair
> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
time.
> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
have
> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
things
> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
the
> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>
> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
since
> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>
> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
danger
> right about now.
>
> TIA,
>
> Deej
>
>
>Absolutely bizarre. this is the quirkiest mobo I have ever.........and I
mean ever encountered. It's running like a bat outta' hell right now. I
wonder what's going to happen next?
These things are pretty cheap if you can find one. I may try to get my hands
on another one, just in case. I love it's compatibility with the RME cards,
UAD-1 cards and dual core CPU, otherwise it would already be history I
think. When it works, it's a monster. It's just so damned quirky........;oP
Maybe it's happy now and will leave me the **** alone!!!
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4c491@linux...
> It gets wierder. I just shuffled the drives. I hung the DVDR on IDE 2 as
> master and the sample drive as IDE2 slave. Now IDE2 master mode is showing
> up DMA2 and the sample drive is DMA5. I don't know enough about this
> situation to know if the DMA2 on the IDE2 master will bottleneck the
sample
> drive, or not, but right now, it's streaming samples from BFD without
> breathing hard at all. Are all computers this bizarre or just *my*
> computers?
>
> ;oP
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
> > I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
gremlins.
> > I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
> >
> > 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
> > Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
> this
> > drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
> > discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples
with
> > any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
sucks.
> > Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
> prior
> > to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
> >
> > I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
> > wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> anywhere.
> > I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
this?
> >
> > 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
> Corsair
> > XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
> time.
> > Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
> have
> > tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
> things
> > that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
> the
> > 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
> > tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
> > configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
> > fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
> > memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
> >
> > I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
> since
> > I've unlimbered my 12ga.
> >
> > Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
> danger
> > right about now.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >
> >
>
>No, sorry, I'd forgotten there was one here, sorry for any false alarm!
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43b42f16@linux...
> Is this db from our group? If so, I'm very sorry to hear it. If not, still
> very sorry to hear it. Passing away on a holiday has to be extra hard for
> those loved ones left behind. Hopefully they can find a way to make
> Christmas a day to remember the happy times and honor his life, rather
than
> his death.
>
> Tony
>
> "zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote in message
> news:43b36617@linux...
> > In case anyone's interested and not aware, Derek Bailey passed away
> > December
> > 25th (Christmas) in London from Lou Gehrig's disease.
> >
> >
>
>PS - for a quick reference, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bailey
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43b42f16@linux...
> Is this db from our group? If so, I'm very sorry to hear it. If not, still
> very sorry to hear it. Passing away on a holiday has to be extra hard for
> those loved ones left behind. Hopefully they can find a way to make
> Christmas a day to remember the happy times and honor his life, rather
than
> his death.
>
> Tony
>
> "zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote in message
> news:43b36617@linux...
> > In case anyone's interested and not aware, Derek Bailey passed away
> > December
> > 25th (Christmas) in London from Lou Gehrig's disease.
> >
> >
>
>Yea that is the same thing I did. We would send midi via the snake to the
board to run the light board and FX. :) I made a home made version based
on the pin outs that were posted in an old edition of Keyboard Magazine. I
knew that only 3 pins were used but couldn't remember which ones. Thanks for
the reminder and this will help a lot.
"Mark McCurdy" <mark@mccurdy.net> wrote in message news:43b3edee@linux...
> I'm looking for an adapter that will allow me to send a midi signal down a
> standard XLR snake. I've seen them so I know they exist but it's been
> years. Does anyone know of a company that would still make these?
>
>
>I use the Tascaom FW1884. Love it and no problems here.
"Jon Jiles" <nono@nomo.com> wrote in message news:43b437cc$1@linux...
>
> OK all you SX3 to Paris lightpipers! What are you using as a control
> surface?
> I know how much Deej liked the Behringer BCF2000!!! Is it still serving as
> a doorstop by the way?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>As far as OSX crashing I've never had OSX crash, so I have no idea what
your
>media guys are doing, it may be a bug in the software they are running???
>
James-
just for the record, I've had OS X crash. Think it was some piece of crap
multimedia thing I was trying to download and play. Don't remember exactly.
Had to pull the plug on the machine, just like in OS 9. But it only happened
once.
-steve"justcron" <pachinko@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>lol... classic wierdness...
>
>hey steve you're a wimp! haha j/k
oh, you went and told! now everyone will know! Dang...
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b46e22$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Steve,
hey, Thad!
>>
>> I certainly think that using the logic of "where the money comes from"
is
>> trickier with individuals than with companies. It's pretty obvious to
me
>> that you're an artist, it's pretty obvious to me that I most likely am
>> not.
It's pretty obvious that you are a businessman, and most definitely I am
not. Wish I were.
>> However, I use the money trail standard more when dealing with loser
>> unemployed
>> people who call themselves artists or musicians and don't produce any
>> music
>> or art. To those people, I am fond of saying, "you're a waiter. You can
>> call
>> yourself Salvador Dali if you want to, but as long as you wait tables
to
>> pay your rent you're a waiter." I'm also strict with myself. I don't call
>> myself a writer anymore, even though I write a lot in general and some
for
>> money, but I'm a computer tech which to me is a perfectly honorable and
>> noble
>> thing to be, just like a home care provider and an heir are perfectly
>> honorable
>> and noble things to be.
I could argue, if I were feeling more masochistic... I always felt an heir
was only one inherited fortune away from the "loser unemployed" you mention.
It's not something that makes me comfortable.
Health care providers, on the other hand, astound me. One of the nurses we
had at the end said she'd taken care of her folks for years and loved it
so much she's done it professionally for many more years. That is beyond
my comprehension.
>>
>> As you know, I'm anything but mellow, and I'm not very "nice" either.
Stalin's daughter said he seemed very nice. Uncle Joe they called him...
>> After
>> working a year of 70-90 hour weeks keeping a network nearly 24/7 available
>> and I'll bite back when I'm told I'm "brainwashed" and uninformed. I yam
>> what I yam.
oh, Thad, just mellow out! Ha!
>>
>> Boston is a weird town. The history is great, the land of John Admas and
>> all, but for some reason it always seems more pressured than even NYC.
And
>> colder, of course, and full of colleges. Glad you're back on Northern
>> California
>> with the cat.
>>
>> TCB
>>
It was very enlightening. In the tiny time I had there, the folks in the
street seemed even more remote than those in California, and that's saying
something. I always found California to be the unfriendliest place I'd ever
been, and I've lived here all my life.
I sat by two native Bostonians on the flights, one guy and one girl, and
each had moved to SF and loved it and planned to stay. Both were the only
ones in their families who had moved away. Both were young college graduates.
Both missed the cold winters. One planned to stay in SF, but the other wanted
to move on and explore the rest of the west coast.
I really didn't have enough interaction to be able to judge the town for
myself very well. Only scratched the Bostonian surface.
The Freedom Walk, of which we got to about half, was quite interesting. I
kept thinking of how these folk were just folk, like we're folk, only involved
in things quite unprecedented and every bit as important to the world as
some of them imagined, only perhaps not in the ways they anticipated. I seriously
doubt that anyone I know, or even know of, would have attempted the things
they did, or would have been capable of doing them.
Their roads and signage, on the other hand, sucked big time. It was as if
they didn't really want anyone not local to be able to find their way around.
I was a nervous wreck after a day of driving through the city.
But then, I'm a wimp, I've heard. Ha! j/k, Justin!
That bridge like two inverted Ys is as cool as anything I've seen outside
the Golden Gate.
And seeing large hunks of the Charles River frozen over was like nothing
I'd ever seen in my sheltered life. Of course, cutting a Chrismas tree in
the snow was novel, too...
-steve the warm weather boyI'm using a pair of 36G WD 10,000 RPM Raptors in a Raid0 array on my Paris
rig. I no longer have anything in the way of streaming errors. Paranoia is
the tradeoff. If either one or both of these drives hiccups, I'm toast. I
back them up after every session.
;o)
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b3abd5@linux...
> Hello.
>
> Just making new computer for paris.
> It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
>
> I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
> audio
> without a RAID.
>
> Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
>
> Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Suad
>
>Heheheh........I'm still using my ASUS P2B-LS computer with a Seagate
Barracuda SCSI HD from 1998 here
;o)
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b411ce@linux...
> Yes Kim I know...
>
> I'm using Paris from 1998.
> My first PARIS computer was asus P2BS mainboard with
> PII 350mhz and 9GB IBM scsi harddrive and 128MB ram, win98SE. - worked
cool!
>
> I'm using this computer till today. ..just changed CPUwith PIII 800mhz,
> added 512MB ram and 160GB IDE audio drive (ata 33). First Win ME and now
> Win XP.
> All works as a charm! In PARIS, of course.. Never had a single problem...
>
> But, opening/saving BIG files in Wavelab, doing montage in Sony Vegas with
> large DV video files and other OS specific stuff like booting, opening
> programs,
> shutdown.... all that stuff can NEVER be fast enough. That is why I'm
> considering
> RAID. ..like on my second (Cubase) computer. 2x Segate 250GB. Works good.
>
> I'm just affraid if RAID can degrade PARIS performance. Streaming errors,
> etc...
> Protools lite DIGI 001 and 002 doesnt like RAID! Many streaming errors!
> Digidesign also recomend not to use RAID on their systems.
>
> In my expirience, 2x250GB s-ata hard drives in RAID can be worse for PARIS
> than 4 year old ATA-33 ide drive... I'm not sure, but there is a
> possibility.
> But, other programs like Vegas, Wavelab and OS itself will benefit from
RAID
> for sure.
> PARIS is an old mother f____r! Sounds and works great, but, you never know
> what will happen if you bring it to the new teritory! (XP, RAID, dual CPU,
> HT, PCIx...)
>
> What do you think?
> Thanks for your reply!
>
> Suad
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43b3f307$1@linux...
> >
> >
> > ...assuming you're using the "I want more speed" type raid.
> >
> > Raid comes in many varieties. Why you'd need more hdd speed with Paris I
> > don't quite know with today's hdd speeds. Brian T was able to drive
Paris
> > to the full with drives many years old now. If you're using raid for
> mirroring
> > or some such thing you should get better reliaiblity than without.
> >
> > ...I think. I'm pretty sure at least... I have had a hell of a lot to
> > drink tonight... thank you to the taxi driver... ;o) and that Nat
> chick
> > who I'm seeing again on NYE seems a bit alright... I'm not sure that
she
> > likes me, but there's something sexy about an accountant who's qualified
> > as a lawyer, and is also very cute and laughs a lot. I do at least now
> have
> > her phone number... ;o)
> >
> > I really should go to bed. I have to work tomorrow...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kim.
> >
> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
> > >Hello Suad.
> > >
> > >If you want to use RAID, be sure you allways have backups of everything
> > on
> > >those disks. One of my best friends, working in Nuendo, lost a whole
> > >production a couple of months ago here in Norway without any backups.
> It's
> >
> > >really speedy with RAID, but if you just get problems with one of the
> > >harddisks, you loose the other too.
> > >
> > >Erling
> > >
> > >"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> skrev i melding news:43b3abd5@linux...
> > >> Hello.
> > >>
> > >> Just making new computer for paris.
> > >> It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> > >> As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
> > >>
> > >> I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> > >> ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig
for
> > >> audio
> > >> without a RAID.
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> > >> RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
> > >>
> > >> Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
> > >>
> > >> Thanks a lot!
> > >>
> > >> Suad
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>...........errrr........this is SATA raid. I tried IDE Raid a long time ago.
It was a serious performance hit. Not a good thing, at least at the
time.....which was around 2001.
;o)
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4decb$1@linux...
> I'm using a pair of 36G WD 10,000 RPM Raptors in a Raid0 array on my Paris
> rig. I no longer have anything in the way of streaming errors. Paranoia is
> the tradeoff. If either one or both of these drives hiccups, I'm toast. I
> back them up after every session.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b3abd5@linux...
> > Hello.
> >
> > Just making new computer for paris.
> > It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> > As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
> >
> > I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> > ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
> > audio
> > without a RAID.
> >
> > Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> > RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
> >
> > Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Suad
> >
> >
>
>And you know what? The Summit *sucks* on classical, though it
is less dirty than the Demeter stuff.
I use it on lead vocals (rock) and it rules.
My all-time favorite tube mic pre btw is the Fearn. yeow! big
money but what a sound!
For classical, I use a hotrodded Jensen 990 on one servo only. It
KILLS everything I have ever heard for classical, including Millenia.
Works super on piano, drum overheads, bass direct, acoustic guitar,
and choir as well.
DC
"Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.COM> wrote:
>
>Don, as much classical recording as you do, I'm surprised you're
>recommending the Summitt stuff... it's some of the dirtier tube
>gear out there, IMO. Don't get me wrong, I've used a few of
>their pieces & like them a lot for certain things, but it's far
>from serious Class-A tube electronics.
>
>Explain yourself, sir! lol
>
>Neil
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote:
>>
>>Bite the bullet and buy a really good one. You will use it all the
>>time.
>>
>>I like these
>>
>>http://www.summitaudio.com/
>>
>>TPA 200B 2 channels. Very, very nice. about 2400.00 street.
>>
>>2BA-221 1 channel. Very nice and not expensive. about 550 street.
>>
>>http://www.johnhardyco.com/M-1details.html
>>
>>M1 clean, sweet and detailed. 1700.00 for 2 channels.
>>
>>There are many more, but these 2 are my favorites.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>.. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jon
>>
>>
>>
>I think Deej gets this years award for the largest number of posts in a
row...Congratulations Doug, and a Happy New Year to you and Amy.
Thanks for all you've done for me this year, too. : >)
Happy New Year to All....
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4df73@linux...
> ..........errrr........this is SATA raid. I tried IDE Raid a long time
> ago.
> It was a serious performance hit. Not a good thing, at least at the
> time.....which was around 2001.
>
>
> ;o)
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43b4decb$1@linux...
>> I'm using a pair of 36G WD 10,000 RPM Raptors in a Raid0 array on my
>> Paris
>> rig. I no longer have anything in the way of streaming errors. Paranoia
>> is
>> the tradeoff. If either one or both of these drives hiccups, I'm toast. I
>> back them up after every session.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b3abd5@linux...
>> > Hello.
>> >
>> > Just making new computer for paris.
>> > It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
>> > As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
>> >
>> > I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
>> > ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig for
>> > audio
>> > without a RAID.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
>> > RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
>> >
>> > Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot!
>> >
>> > Suad
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>So, you say I should securely go RAID ??
My RAID will also be S-ATA. I ment to take 2X Segate 250Gigs.
So, no any problem with PARIS and s-ata RAID?
Sorry, I'm little bit stupid today... maybe because of buzz consumed
last night... khh, khh... ;)
You still have P2BLS? My is working for the last 8 years and I must
say it's flawless!! Even now, with XP, newest software, 2EDS, Matrox,
RME and NEC usb2 controller, 2SCSI disc and 1 IDE drive, ALL inside and
CPU overclocked 25%. I wish my new computer be so stable and reliable....
As I mentioned before, I have an exactly the same comp for cubase right now.
It's an P43.2G northwood, Intel 875PBZ mbo, 2GB of crucial CL2 mem,
matrox G550 and 2x Segate 250gb s-ata in RAID. Works great for cubase and
stuff...
here is the pic of it.... good old mother f____r! nice, isnt it? ;)
I wish my new computer to be so stable and reliable....
As I mentioned before, I have an exactly the same comp for cubase right now.
It's an P43.2G northwood, Intel 875PBZ mbo, 2GB of crucial CL2 mem,
matrox G550 and 2x Segate 250gb s-ata in RAID. Works great for cubase and
stuff...
Cheers!
Suad
Cool!
Cheers!
Suad
"Mark McCurdy" <mark@mccurdy.net> wrote in message news:43b4c894@linux...
> Yea that is the same thing I did. We would send midi via the snake to the
> board to run the light board and FX. :) I made a home made version based
> on the pin outs that were posted in an old edition of Keyboard Magazine.
I
> knew that only 3 pins were used but couldn't remember which ones. Thanks
for
> the reminder and this will help a lot.
>
>
> "Mark McCurdy" <mark@mccurdy.net> wrote in message news:43b3edee@linux...
> > I'm looking for an adapter that will allow me to send a midi signal down
a
> > standard XLR snake. I've seen them so I know they exist but it's been
> > years. Does anyone know of a company that would still make these?
> >
> >
> >
>
>If I remember correct, I think it's showing up when installing the VIA Bus
Master IDE-controller.
Erling
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:43b4a958$1@linux...
> guess I'll read some more, but I still can't find where to check to see
> whether DMA is enabled/disabled..
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
>> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
>> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>>
>> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
>> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
> this
>> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
>> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
>> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
>> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
> prior
>> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>>
>> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
>> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> anywhere.
>> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
>> this?
>>
>> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
> Corsair
>> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
> time.
>> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
> have
>> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
> things
>> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
> the
>> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
>> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
>> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
>> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>>
>> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
> since
>> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>>
>> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
> danger
>> right about now.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>
>Have you checked the IDEcables? You can get this kind of problems if a cable
have some corrupt earth. Each lead on the cable have it's own earth on the
100/133 cables and if it loose one of these, the behavings can be as an old
33/66 disk with just a single earth. Maybe it's time to get som SATA disks?
I'm using one 160GB IDE and two SATA(160/200GB)disks here on my A8V Deluxe
system.
Erling
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
news:43b4b35c@linux...
> Thad,
>
> I found the problem. This drive is master on IDE channel two. I located
> the
> menu to check it in Device Manager under IDE/ATAPI controllers>right
> click>advanced. this drive is running in PIO mode. that would screw the
> pooch for an audio drive, dont'cha think? When I doubleclick on the IDE2
> controller icon to open it up in the device manager, Device manager hangs
> and the whole system is starting to lose it's former feeling of stability.
> I'm pretty sure I've got a faulty device.
>
> Windows will disable DMA mode if it receives certain errors and more than
> 6
> x DMA timeouts occur. You can sometimes turn it back on by
> uninstalling/reinstalling the device. No luck here. I've tried repeatedly.
> It's stuck on PIO. I checked Seagate's site and there's no driver that I'm
> missing. The Barracuda uses a default Windows driver.
> Luckily I've got another kickass 250G WD with 8MB cache drive here that I
> know is good and this will cover my needs for a while.
>
> I'm going to send this Barracuda back to OWC for a replacement. Funny.
> I've
> got a 10 year old Barracuda SCSI drive running in one of my *non critical*
> workstations. I've always trusted Seagate. This is the last thing I would
> have expected. Now once I get the new WD drive loaded, if it shows only
> PIO
> mode too, then that likely a mobo glitch and *will* be cause for
> additional
> wailing, gnashing of teeth......etc..
>
> Appreciate your feedback man. It's sure good to have you back around here.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "tcb" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b4a9f0$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Deej,
>>
>> Well, it sounds to me like these are two unrelated problems. Problem
> number
>> one sounds like software of some kind. DMA isn't really an issue, it's
> enabled
>> by default. The real sign that it's software is ghosting back to the
> original
>> setup makes it work. Is there another drive on that IDE controller? Check
>> to be sure it isn't on cable select or something screwy like that.
>>
>> The second problem DOES sound like hardware. What's the mobo? I might do
>> a www.google.com/groups search to see if anyone else is having the same
> problem
>> with the memory. I'd also check with the mobo vendor for a BIOS update,
>> it
>> certainly sounds like the memory hardware is fine and it's a mobo issue.
>>
>> In case you're wondering, I'm posting this from my admitedly heavly and
> clunky
>> new HP laptop but it's running Debian amd64 testing like a champ. The
> amd64
>> installers seem a little more tempermental but all of that Windows
> nastiness
>> is off of it already. Too bad I'll have to put it back on to get Live
> running
>> on it.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
>> >gremlins.
>> >I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>> >
>> >1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
>> >Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
> this
>> >drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
>> >discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples
>> >with
>> >any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
>> >sucks.
>> >Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
> prior
>> >to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>> >
>> >I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
>> >wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> anywhere.
>> >I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
> this?
>> >
>> >2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
> Corsair
>> >XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
> time.
>> >Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
> have
>> >tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
> things
>> >that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
>> the
>> >4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
>> >tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>> >configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
>> >fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
>> >memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>> >
>> >I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
> since
>> >I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>> >
>> >Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
> danger
>> >right about now.
>> >
>> >TIA,
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>thanks corna clause...you da elf.
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:19:35 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>now that's the holiday spirit. happy holiday justcron :-)
>
>justcron wrote:
>> sure man, email me your real address.
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b1411c@linux...
>>
>>>so you think justcron is gonna have em delivered this week? I can't wait
>>>!
>>>
>>>rick wrote:
>>>
>>>>man, not too greedy and honest too...what a disappointment...
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:57:12 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>good point!
>>>>>
>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dont you have to have a first album to have a next?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43afe7f0@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll be humble and only do the top 3. Master Craft Ski Nautique,
>>>>>>>Yamaha 60mph Jet Ski, Yamaha 4 stroke ~400cc Motocross bike.
>>>>>>>justcron, god bless your great generosity. I am going to dedicate the
>>>>>>>next album to you as soon as the toys arrive. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>though it's the 26th i can get a list off you...just pick the top 5 or
>>>>>>>>10. ;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:28:44 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>you wanna give me something ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>justcron wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Merry Christmas y'allz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>remember: its better to give than to receive
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43ae5e1c@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>....and saying here in Norway: "God Jul og Et Riktig Godt
>>>>>>>>>>>Nyttaar."....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> skrev i melding
>>>>>>>>>>>news:43addc91@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>As they say in Hawaii, " Mele Kalikimaka "
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:43ac8956@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I'm getting ready to leave for all the family gatherings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this weekend and don't know if I'll have access to the web again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>until Monday night. If not, here's wishing everyone here Merry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christmas. I know it's not the PC thing to do anymore, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't say it to exclude anyone. I say it in the spirit of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>brotherly love no matter what your beliefs. If you're offended,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>then may I at least wish you Happy Holidays. Be safe in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>travels, show respect, and cherish the people you love.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>that route works on my studio xp comp but not the home one...i could
never figure out why.
On 30 Dec 2005 14:44:11 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>guess I'll read some more, but I still can't find where to check to see
>>whether DMA is enabled/disabled..
>
>Control Panel, then Device Manager, then IDE ATA/ATAPI
>Controllers, then select whichever IDE channel (primary or
>secondary) you want to check... then right-click and
>select "Properties", then click on the "Advanced Settings" tab
>in the mini-window that pops up, then make sure your "Device
>type" is set for Auto-Detection (instead of "None"), then look
>right below that in the Transfer Mode menu for an option that
>says "DMA, if available".
>
>Then take two aspirin, and a shot of Vodka, and call me before
>10:30p Mountain Time this evening if you still need some
>help... 915-585-3806.
>
>NeilIngenious!
Copied from PSW
"While we slave away as audio goobers, this guy makes a million bucks with a
brilliantly simple idea. Shoot me now, why the hell didn't I think of this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051229/ts_nm/homepage_dc
DOnI have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts out like
a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety of
compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to work the
best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered what
you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks
Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,
Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so far.
Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I forget.
If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the pocket.
Thanks,
JohnI'm waiting on my tracking numbers for the ski boat, jet ski and
motocross bike. holding my breath. :-) I believe!I don't think you will have any problems with SATA RAID and Paris. I don't
know anything about your mobo or what kind of controllers it uses. I'm using
the Promise controller on my ASUS A7V8X-LAN mobo which is very stable for
use with Paris. The Promise SATA controller on this board doesn't really
benchmark much faster than an ATA 133 controller, but it does give me
something extra and later generation controllers seem to report much better
throughput times. My A7V8x mobo is an old design, but it is the most stable
mobo for Paris that I have ever used with Matrox G450 PCI and IDE cards. The
VIA KT7 chipset is very friendly with these old Matrox cards.
Yes,k I still have my P2BLS. It is now a dedicated FX processor running Win
98 and hosting a Lexicon Studio Core 32 reverb, a Power Technology DSP/FX
ISA card and .is also being used as a digital patchbay router with 3 x
MAudio Digipatch units switching various ADAT and S/PDIF routings between my
Paris comp and my Cubase comp and the other digital interfaces of the
various devices I hve here. The system dirve is a 2 G Seagate Barracuda SCSI
drive that I bought in 1997. I recently reformatted it and reloaded the OS
and error checks came up with no problem.. You picture looks like you have
tken good care of your P2Bs. Looks brand new. ;o)
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b4f8a7@linux...
> So, you say I should securely go RAID ??
> My RAID will also be S-ATA. I ment to take 2X Segate 250Gigs.
> So, no any problem with PARIS and s-ata RAID?
>
> Sorry, I'm little bit stupid today... maybe because of buzz consumed
> last night... khh, khh... ;)
>
> You still have P2BLS? My is working for the last 8 years and I must
> say it's flawless!! Even now, with XP, newest software, 2EDS, Matrox,
> RME and NEC usb2 controller, 2SCSI disc and 1 IDE drive, ALL inside and
> CPU overclocked 25%. I wish my new computer be so stable and reliable....
> As I mentioned before, I have an exactly the same comp for cubase right
now.
> It's an P43.2G northwood, Intel 875PBZ mbo, 2GB of crucial CL2 mem,
> matrox G550 and 2x Segate 250gb s-ata in RAID. Works great for cubase and
> stuff...
>
> here is the pic of it.... good old mother f____r! nice, isnt it? ;)
>
> I wish my new computer to be so stable and reliable....
> As I mentioned before, I have an exactly the same comp for cubase right
now.
> It's an P43.2G northwood, Intel 875PBZ mbo, 2GB of crucial CL2 mem,
> matrox G550 and 2x Segate 250gb s-ata in RAID. Works great for cubase and
> stuff...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Suad
>
>
>Heheh......and I appreciate everyone's indulgence here for putting up with
the rambling musings and occasional ravings and rantings of a crazy old
fart.
Happy new year Martin....and you're very welcome.
;o)
Deej
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:43b4eaf6$1@linux...
> I think Deej gets this years award for the largest number of posts in a
> row...Congratulations Doug, and a Happy New Year to you and Amy.
> Thanks for all you've done for me this year, too. : >)
> Happy New Year to All....
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43b4df73@linux...
> > ..........errrr........this is SATA raid. I tried IDE Raid a long time
> > ago.
> > It was a serious performance hit. Not a good thing, at least at the
> > time.....which was around 2001.
> >
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> > news:43b4decb$1@linux...
> >> I'm using a pair of 36G WD 10,000 RPM Raptors in a Raid0 array on my
> >> Paris
> >> rig. I no longer have anything in the way of streaming errors. Paranoia
> >> is
> >> the tradeoff. If either one or both of these drives hiccups, I'm toast.
I
> >> back them up after every session.
> >>
> >> ;o)
> >>
> >> "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43b3abd5@linux...
> >> > Hello.
> >> >
> >> > Just making new computer for paris.
> >> > It's an Intel P4 3.2G Northwood with an Intel 875PBZ mainboard.
> >> > As the mainboard have ICH5R chip, I can choose to RAID or to not...
> >> >
> >> > I thougt to take 2x segate 160gig s-ata and put them into RAID...
> >> > ...or to take one WD Raptor for system and one segate 160 or 250gig
for
> >> > audio
> >> > without a RAID.
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts?? Any problems in PARIS with that kind of RAID?
> >> > RAID I/O size 128kb? or 64kb? or???
> >> >
> >> > Please, hurry up with replies, I must buy hard disks til tomorrow...
> >> >
> >> > Thanks a lot!
> >> >
> >> > Suad
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Sounds like you've already cut the track, in which case I'd learn the high
and low points and automate the fader to compensate. If you've still got
more tracks to cut, how about riding the fader or getting her some tips on
mic technique?
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b52620$1@linux...
> I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts out like
> a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety of
> compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to work the
> best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered what
> you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks
> Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,
> Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so far.
>
> Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I forget.
> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the pocket.
>
> Thanks,
> JohnHi John,
You're not going to get a plug in to deal with this. You'll have to manually
adjust the volume of each phrase to make it fit. After you've done that,
you can use a compressor to smooth out what's left.
It sounds like automation time to me.
Good luck!
Mike
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts out like
>a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety of
>compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to work the
>best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered what
>you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks
>Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,
>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so far.
>
>Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I forget.
> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the pocket.
>
>Thanks,
>JohnI am sure you tried this but, automation?
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts out like
>a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety of
>compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to work the
>best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered what
>you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks
>Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,
>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so far.
>
>Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I forget.
> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the pocket.
>
>Thanks,
>JohnAlmost simultaneous answering here, strange DJ's post says 8:07 but it wasnt
there when I looked
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>I am sure you tried this but, automation?
>
>
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts out like
>
>>a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety of
>
>>compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to work the
>
>>best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered what
>
>>you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks
>>Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,
>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so far.
>>
>>Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I forget.
>
>> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the pocket.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote:
>So, you say I should securely go RAID ??
>So, no any problem with PARIS and s-ata RAID?
>
I’ve been running RAIDs on my Macs and PCs for years and so far I have had
zero problems. I do back up frequently.
I have posted here previously with some benchmark results.
GeneDJ is from the future. I was just playing around so I was trying to
find a plug to do this but it makes TOTAL sense to ride the faders and
automate. DOH.
This girl who sang is an untrained teen and I was just recording her for
fun. So I was thinking a plug would totally tame it. I was wrong ;-)
cujo wrote:
> Almost simultaneous answering here, strange DJ's post says 8:07 but it wasnt
> there when I looked
>
> "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>>I am sure you tried this but, automation?
>>
>>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts out like
>>
>>>a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety of
>>
>>>compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to work the
>>
>>>best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered what
>>
>>>you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks
>>>Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,
>
>
>>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so far.
>>>
>>>Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I forget.
>>
>>> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the pocket.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>JohnTHE industry standard is Discreet Smoke/Flame and the big bro HD
versions. They are half a million bucks but worth it. You'll find Avid
used in a lot of editorial houses and Premier/Final Cut/Vegas used by
pro-sumers. And the results go exactly hand-in-hand with product level.
Final Cut, imho, is the best prosumer app with the least artifacting.
Bandon wrote:
>Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am wondering
>which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
>I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
>Will it sync to PARIS (thru use of the SMPTE audio file)
>
>
>brilliant!
Don Nafe wrote:
>Ingenious!
>
>Copied from PSW
>
>"While we slave away as audio goobers, this guy makes a million bucks with a
>brilliantly simple idea. Shoot me now, why the hell didn't I think of this?
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051229/ts_nm/homepage_dc
>
>
>DOn
>
>
>
>"Jon Jiles" <no@nomo.com> wrote:
>
>.. and you couldn't spend a fortune, what would it be?
I would absolutely want a non-colored pre. In my case that would be GML.
If you can't afford that, the original Great River is now popping up on
eBay for good prices, and you can occassionaly get a two channel Millennia
for $1200-$1400.They said they were going out on the 3rd, so watch for em around then...
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b52675$1@linux...
> I'm waiting on my tracking numbers for the ski boat, jet ski and motocross
> bike. holding my breath. :-) I believe!I was thinking our db was Doug Bailey. Also sorry for any confusion.
Tony
"zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote in message
news:43b4c6b8$1@linux...
> No, sorry, I'd forgotten there was one here, sorry for any false alarm!
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
> news:43b42f16@linux...
>> Is this db from our group? If so, I'm very sorry to hear it. If not,
>> still
>> very sorry to hear it. Passing away on a holiday has to be extra hard for
>> those loved ones left behind. Hopefully they can find a way to make
>> Christmas a day to remember the happy times and honor his life, rather
> than
>> his death.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> "zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote in message
>> news:43b36617@linux...
>> > In case anyone's interested and not aware, Derek Bailey passed away
>> > December
>> > 25th (Christmas) in London from Lou Gehrig's disease.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>"OK, you take da blonde, and I'll take da one in da toyban."
The best comedy ever made!
Tony
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:43b4a0ff$1@linux...
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Actually, he was voted "biggest", not best. Big difference.
>
> Oh good, cuz Marty Feldman was the best.
>
> Igor, would you help me with the bags?
>
>
> Have a nice New Years! Let's all go see some blues or jazz and
> leave our computers off and forget about politics!
>
>
> DCI was listening to Lost in Love by Air Supply and was enjoying the
polish of the song and soaring vocals so I headed on over to
allmusic.com and picked credits on the Lost in Love album and it list
Martin Harrington as the Engineer. Is this our own Martin? woah !
could it be?
Kewl !!
JohnOh don't say that DJ! I'm holding two brand new Seagate 250's in my hands
right now. They just arrived to replaced two DOA WD 250's I sent back to
Newegg last week! I've got four rock solid WD's I've had for about three
years! What's up with hard drive manufacturers these days! The QC sucks!!!!!
:>(
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4b35c@linux...
> Thad,
>
> I found the problem. This drive is master on IDE channel two. I located
> the
> menu to check it in Device Manager under IDE/ATAPI controllers>right
> click>advanced. this drive is running in PIO mode. that would screw the
> pooch for an audio drive, dont'cha think? When I doubleclick on the IDE2
> controller icon to open it up in the device manager, Device manager hangs
> and the whole system is starting to lose it's former feeling of stability.
> I'm pretty sure I've got a faulty device.
>
> Windows will disable DMA mode if it receives certain errors and more than
> 6
> x DMA timeouts occur. You can sometimes turn it back on by
> uninstalling/reinstalling the device. No luck here. I've tried repeatedly.
> It's stuck on PIO. I checked Seagate's site and there's no driver that I'm
> missing. The Barracuda uses a default Windows driver.
> Luckily I've got another kickass 250G WD with 8MB cache drive here that I
> know is good and this will cover my needs for a while.
>
> I'm going to send this Barracuda back to OWC for a replacement. Funny.
> I've
> got a 10 year old Barracuda SCSI drive running in one of my *non critical*
> workstations. I've always trusted Seagate. This is the last thing I would
> have expected. Now once I get the new WD drive loaded, if it shows only
> PIO
> mode too, then that likely a mobo glitch and *will* be cause for
> additional
> wailing, gnashing of teeth......etc..
>
> Appreciate your feedback man. It's sure good to have you back around here.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "tcb" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43b4a9f0$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Deej,
>>
>> Well, it sounds to me like these are two unrelated problems. Problem
> number
>> one sounds like software of some kind. DMA isn't really an issue, it's
> enabled
>> by default. The real sign that it's software is ghosting back to the
> original
>> setup makes it work. Is there another drive on that IDE controller? Check
>> to be sure it isn't on cable select or something screwy like that.
>>
>> The second problem DOES sound like hardware. What's the mobo? I might do
>> a www.google.com/groups search to see if anyone else is having the same
> problem
>> with the memory. I'd also check with the mobo vendor for a BIOS update,
>> it
>> certainly sounds like the memory hardware is fine and it's a mobo issue.
>>
>> In case you're wondering, I'm posting this from my admitedly heavly and
> clunky
>> new HP laptop but it's running Debian amd64 testing like a champ. The
> amd64
>> installers seem a little more tempermental but all of that Windows
> nastiness
>> is off of it already. Too bad I'll have to put it back on to get Live
> running
>> on it.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
>> >gremlins.
>> >I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>> >
>> >1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
>> >Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
> this
>> >drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
>> >discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples
>> >with
>> >any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
>> >sucks.
>> >Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
> prior
>> >to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>> >
>> >I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
>> >wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> anywhere.
>> >I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
> this?
>> >
>> >2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
> Corsair
>> >XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
> time.
>> >Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
> have
>> >tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
> things
>> >that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
>> the
>> >4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
>> >tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>> >configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
>> >fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
>> >memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>> >
>> >I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
> since
>> >I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>> >
>> >Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
> danger
>> >right about now.
>> >
>> >TIA,
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>If this ski boat shows up I will slalom ski in 40 degree weather and
I'll post pictures here. hehe
justcron wrote:
> They said they were going out on the 3rd, so watch for em around then...
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b52675$1@linux...
>
>>I'm waiting on my tracking numbers for the ski boat, jet ski and motocross
>>bike. holding my breath. :-) I believe!
>
>
>Speak English DJ! Oh, never mind. I forgot I was a Mac guy for second there!
;>)
Tony
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b4c491@linux...
> It gets wierder. I just shuffled the drives. I hung the DVDR on IDE 2 as
> master and the sample drive as IDE2 slave. Now IDE2 master mode is showing
> up DMA2 and the sample drive is DMA5. I don't know enough about this
> situation to know if the DMA2 on the IDE2 master will bottleneck the
> sample
> drive, or not, but right now, it's streaming samples from BFD without
> breathing hard at all. Are all computers this bizarre or just *my*
> computers?
>
> ;oP
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
>> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many gremlins.
>> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>>
>> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a 7200RPM
>> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are on
> this
>> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for no
>> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples with
>> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain sucks.
>> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
> prior
>> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>>
>> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus mastering
>> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> anywhere.
>> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
>> this?
>>
>> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
> Corsair
>> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
> time.
>> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus I
> have
>> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
> things
>> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks to
> the
>> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I have
>> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when a
>> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as system
>> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>>
>> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
> since
>> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>>
>> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
> danger
>> right about now.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=33&cat=20& ;id=332
I heard these yesterday at a music store and was blown away, and was shocked
to hear the price! If you're out and about, give 'em a listen.
CLwell if justcron is listening, throw in a pair of them too please.....oh
and a allen and heath mixwizard 16:2 heheh
Chris Latham wrote:
> http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=33&cat=20& ;id=332
>
> I heard these yesterday at a music store and was blown away, and was shocked
> to hear the price! If you're out and about, give 'em a listen.
>
> CL
>
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Tom
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>>
>>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
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you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I=20
forget.<BR>>><BR>>>> If so, is that a =
possibility? What=20
plugin can jam this into the=20
=
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------=_NextPart_000_011D_01C60D52.7C04B340--sure man... now quit asking for stuff. you sound like a girl.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b582c0@linux...
> well if justcron is listening, throw in a pair of them too please.....oh
> and a allen and heath mixwizard 16:2 heheh
>
> Chris Latham wrote:
>> http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=33&cat=20& ;id=332
>>
>> I heard these yesterday at a music store and was blown away, and was
>> shocked
>> to hear the price! If you're out and about, give 'em a listen.
>>
>> CL
>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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John,
Another option would be to cut the performance into separate chunks, =
spread them over a few tracks, then adjust the volume
on the individual tracks so they match.
Lance
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43b59383$1@linux...
John,
Besides automation I like to put two La2as in series. A Waves ren/C1 =
will
also work here. Use the first one to grab the peaks in limit mode and =
the other to
smooth what's left in comp mode. Dial in small amounts so neither =
gets whacked too hard. =20
Then apply automation to what's still out of control.
Tom
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b554dc@linux...
DJ is from the future. I was just playing around so I was trying to =
find a plug to do this but it makes TOTAL sense to ride the faders =
and=20
automate. DOH.
This girl who sang is an untrained teen and I was just recording her =
for=20
fun. So I was thinking a plug would totally tame it. I was wrong =
;-)
cujo wrote:
> Almost simultaneous answering here, strange DJ's post says 8:07 =
but it wasnt
> there when I looked
>=20
> "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>=20
>>I am sure you tried this but, automation?
>>
>>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts =
out like
>>
>>>a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a =
variety of
>>
>>>compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to =
work the
>>
>>>best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just =
wondered what
>>
>>>you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, =
Timeworks=20
>>>Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), =
Bluetubes,
>=20
>=20
>>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so =
far.
>>>
>>>Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I =
forget.
>>
>>> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the =
pocket.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>John
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another option would be to cut =
the=20
performance into separate chunks, spread them over a few tracks, then =
adjust the=20
volume</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on the individual tracks so they=20
match.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lance</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:43b59383$1@linux">news:43b59383$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Besides automation I like to put two =
La2as in=20
series. A Waves ren/C1 will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>also work here. Use the =
f</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>irst one to grab the peaks in limit mode and the =
other=20
to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>smooth what's left in comp =
mode. Dial in=20
small amounts so </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>neither gets =
whacked too=20
hard. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then apply automation =
to </FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>what's still </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>out of=20
control.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"John" <<A href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A>> wrote =
in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:43b554dc@linux">news:43b554dc@linux</A>...</DIV>DJ is=20
from the future. I was just playing around so I was trying to =
<BR>find=20
a plug to do this but it makes TOTAL sense to ride the faders and=20
<BR>automate. DOH.<BR><BR>This girl who sang is an untrained =
teen and=20
I was just recording her for <BR>fun. So I was thinking a plug =
would=20
totally tame it. I was wrong ;-)<BR><BR>cujo wrote:<BR>> =
Almost=20
simultaneous answering here, strange DJ's post says 8:07 but it=20
wasnt<BR>> there when I looked<BR>> <BR>> "cujo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
..com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> <BR>>>I am sure you tried this but,=20
automation?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>John <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>I have a female vocal that has =
huge=20
dynamic range. She starts out =
like<BR>>><BR>>>>a ballad=20
and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety=20
of<BR>>><BR>>>>compressors but none seem able to tame =
this. Limiters seem to work =
the<BR>>><BR>>>>best=20
so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered=20
what<BR>>><BR>>>>you guys would do for plugins. =
I tried=20
C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks <BR>>>>Mastering Compressor, =
Ultrafunk=20
compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,<BR>> <BR>>=20
<BR>>>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the =
best job=20
so far.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Where would you be going on=20
this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I=20
forget.<BR>>><BR>>>> If so, is that a =
possibility? What=20
plugin can jam this into the=20
=
pocket.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Thanks, <BR>>>>John</BLOCK=
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C60D57.0EB69380--This is the approach I often take. Or at times, if there's just a couple
of noticeable sections, I'll just do a volume change on the track itself.
Simply cut the track boost up the low bit to match better with the rest.
Often you'll find the performer only uses a couple of different intensities
through the performance, so cutting at the change point(s) and adding or
subtracting a few db can do the job.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>John,
>
>Another option would be to cut the performance into separate chunks, =
>spread them over a few tracks, then adjust the volume
>on the individual tracks so they match.
>
>Lance
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
>news:43b59383$1@linux...
> John,
> Besides automation I like to put two La2as in series. A Waves ren/C1
=
>will
> also work here. Use the first one to grab the peaks in limit mode and
=
>the other to
> smooth what's left in comp mode. Dial in small amounts so neither =
>gets whacked too hard. =20
> Then apply automation to what's still out of control.
> Tom
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b554dc@linux...
> DJ is from the future. I was just playing around so I was trying to
=
>
> find a plug to do this but it makes TOTAL sense to ride the faders =
>and=20
> automate. DOH.
>
> This girl who sang is an untrained teen and I was just recording her
=
>for=20
> fun. So I was thinking a plug would totally tame it. I was wrong =
>;-)
>
> cujo wrote:
> > Almost simultaneous answering here, strange DJ's post says 8:07 =
>but it wasnt
> > there when I looked
> >=20
> > "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
> >=20
> >>I am sure you tried this but, automation?
> >>
> >>
> >>John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She starts =
>out like
> >>
> >>>a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a =
>variety of
> >>
> >>>compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem to =
>work the
> >>
> >>>best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just =
>wondered what
> >>
> >>>you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox, =
>Timeworks=20
> >>>Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better), =
>Bluetubes,
> >=20
> >=20
> >>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job so =
>far.
> >>>
> >>>Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I
=
>forget.
> >>
> >>> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this into the
=
>pocket.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>John
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Another option would be to cut =
> the=20
>performance into separate chunks, spread them over a few tracks, then =
>adjust the=20
>volume</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on the individual tracks so they=20
>match.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lance</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A href=3D"news:43b59383$1@linux">news:43b59383$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John,</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Besides automation I like to put two
=
>La2as in=20
> series. A Waves ren/C1 will</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>also work here. Use the =
>f</FONT><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2>irst one to grab the peaks in limit mode and the
=
>other=20
> to</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>smooth what's left in comp =
>mode. Dial in=20
> small amounts so </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>neither gets =
>whacked too=20
> hard. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then apply automation =
>to </FONT><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2>what's still </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2>out of=20
> control.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"John" <<A href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A>> wrote =
>in=20
> message <A =
>href=3D"news:43b554dc@linux">news:43b554dc@linux</A>...</DIV>DJ is=20
> from the future. I was just playing around so I was trying to =
><BR>find=20
> a plug to do this but it makes TOTAL sense to ride the faders and=20
> <BR>automate. DOH.<BR><BR>This girl who sang is an untrained =
>teen and=20
> I was just recording her for <BR>fun. So I was thinking a plug =
>would=20
> totally tame it. I was wrong ;-)<BR><BR>cujo wrote:<BR>> =
>Almost=20
> simultaneous answering here, strange DJ's post says 8:07 but it=20
> wasnt<BR>> there when I looked<BR>> <BR>> "cujo" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>>I am sure you tried this but,=20
> automation?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>John <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>I have a female vocal that has =
>huge=20
> dynamic range. She starts out =
>like<BR>>><BR>>>>a ballad=20
> and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety=20
> of<BR>>><BR>>>>compressors but none seem able to tame =
>
> this. Limiters seem to work =
>the<BR>>><BR>>>>best=20
> so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered=20
> what<BR>>><BR>>>>you guys would do for plugins. =
>I tried=20
> C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks <BR>>>>Mastering Compressor, =
>Ultrafunk=20
> compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,<BR>> <BR>>=20
> <BR>>>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the =
>best job=20
> so far.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Where would you be going on=20
> this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I=20
> forget.<BR>>><BR>>>> If so, is that a =
>possibility? What=20
> plugin can jam this into the=20
> =
>pocket.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Thanks,<BR>>>>John</BLOCK=
>QUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>Is there a trick to getting Native, EQ and EDS to render? Can you do it
with some aux routing or some way? My testing showed the SPDIF trick
does the Native and EQ but not EDS but I was thinking one of you guys
might know another way.
Thanks,
JohnThose are all great ideas but I think automation is so easy, I gotta go
that route. Thanks Riding them faders !!!
Lance Reichert wrote:
> John,
>
> Another option would be to cut the performance into separate chunks,
> spread them over a few tracks, then adjust the volume
> on the individual tracks so they match.
>
> Lance
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>> wrote
> in message news:43b59383$1@linux...
> John,
> Besides automation I like to put two La2as in series. A Waves
> ren/C1 will
> also work here. Use the first one to grab the peaks in limit mode
> and the other to
> smooth what's left in comp mode. Dial in small amounts so neither
> gets whacked too hard.
> Then apply automation to what's still out of control.
> Tom
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com>> wrote in message
> news:43b554dc@linux...
> DJ is from the future. I was just playing around so I was
> trying to
> find a plug to do this but it makes TOTAL sense to ride the
> faders and
> automate. DOH.
>
> This girl who sang is an untrained teen and I was just recording
> her for
> fun. So I was thinking a plug would totally tame it. I was
> wrong ;-)
>
> cujo wrote:
> > Almost simultaneous answering here, strange DJ's post says
> 8:07 but it wasnt
> > there when I looked
> >
> > "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com
> <mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>I am sure you tried this but, automation?
> >>
> >>
> >>John <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have a female vocal that has huge dynamic range. She
> starts out like
> >>
> >>>a ballad and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a
> variety of
> >>
> >>>compressors but none seem able to tame this. Limiters seem
> to work the
> >>
> >>>best so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just
> wondered what
> >>
> >>>you guys would do for plugins. I tried C1 Comp, RenVox,
> Timeworks
> >>>Mastering Compressor, Ultrafunk compressor (worked better),
> Bluetubes,
> >
> >
> >>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the best job
> so far.
> >>>
> >>>Where would you be going on this. Is there a stereo
> NoLimit? I forget.
> >>
> >>> If so, is that a possibility? What plugin can jam this
> into the pocket.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>JohnI'm gonna get a local artist to airbrush the Ski Nautique all in
HydroRecords logo art and buy rick and you a plane ticket to come down
and cruise around. hehe
justcron wrote:
> sure man... now quit asking for stuff. you sound like a girl.
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b582c0@linux...
>
>>well if justcron is listening, throw in a pair of them too please.....oh
>>and a allen and heath mixwizard 16:2 heheh
>>
>>Chris Latham wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=3
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Messages: 1368
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io" target="_blank">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
> >>.com</A>>=20
> >> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>>I am sure you tried this but,=20
> >> automation?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>John <<A=20
> >> href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A>>=20
> >> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>I have a female vocal that has =
> >>huge=20
> >> dynamic range. She starts out =
> >>like<BR>>><BR>>>>a ballad=20
> >> and then is belting it out like whitney. I tried a variety=20
> >> of<BR>>><BR>>>>compressors but none seem able to tame =
> >>
> >> this. Limiters seem to work =
> >>the<BR>>><BR>>>>best=20
> >> so far. I'm going to try a combo of the two but just wondered=20
> >> what<BR>>><BR>>>>you guys would do for plugins. =
> >>I tried=20
> >> C1 Comp, RenVox, Timeworks <BR>>>>Mastering Compressor, =
> >>Ultrafunk=20
> >> compressor (worked better), Bluetubes,<BR>> <BR>>=20
> >> <BR>>>>Voxengo, but the Bluetubes limiter seemed to do the =
> >>best job=20
> >> so far.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Where would you be going on=20
> >> this. Is there a stereo NoLimit? I=20
> >> forget.<BR>>><BR>>>> If so, is that a =
> >>possibility? What=20
> >> plugin can jam this into the=20
> >> =
> >>pocket.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Thanks,<BR>>>>John</BLOCK=
> >>QUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>Are there daws that autocompensate for plug in latency so you can just
make music and not worry about this crap?
Thanks"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Martin,
>
>I'm thinking that since no one uses mixers anymore during tracking and
>*riding the fader* really doesn't apply as far as boosting/attenuating
>signal levels in DAW control surfaces like the C-16...
Just felt the need to point out that some of us old-timers still record vocals
with a fader in the loop.
Working without this option would be too high of a price to pay for converting
to DAW-Based recording.
I use a custom setup. I have modified one channel of my MCI console using
a Telefunken V672D dual preamp module. The modification is basically one
half of the V672D before the fader (100mm P&G) and one half after. Other
than incorporating the mute, the rest of that console strip is no longer
active.
This gives me a sweet sounding transformer coupled, Class A, active fader
with about 12db of gain at unity. It normally sits between my mic pre and
compressor.
It is true that with 24bit audio you can record without a compressor and
then use automation to level the tracks, but as I have stated here previously,
I am a big believer in having the singer work with the sound of the compressor
and the old method still gives the best results for me.
I picked up the V372D for a couple of hundred dollars and spent a day doing
the install. This setup is worth a million dollars worth of plugins.
GeneJohn <no@no.com> wrote:
>Are there daws that autocompensate for plug in latency so you can just
>make music and not worry about this crap?
>
>Thanks
I think SawStudio is the only major DAW currently being sold that does not
have VST PDC.In case it wasn't mentioned, there is also Media 100. It's used a lot at
TV stations, for news broadcast and for the production of TV commercials.
The Media 100 systems are expensive, kind of like Avid systems.
If you just want to do some video editing on the cheap, to start learning,
or to do projects get one of these products.
http://store.purplus.net/videoediting.html
For PC:
#1 Ulead Video studio $14.95 it easy to use and the results are reasonably
good.
#2 Pinnacle Studio $16.95
On a Mac you could start with iMovie, but I would search for an older version
of FCP. You can always up grade it later.
If you live in a major market and you want to make a living as a video editor,
you need to learn Avid, Media 100, or FCP. In that order.
James
jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>THE industry standard is Discreet Smoke/Flame and the big bro HD
>versions. They are half a million bucks but worth it. You'll find Avid
>used in a lot of editorial houses and Premier/Final Cut/Vegas used by
>pro-sumers. And the results go exactly hand-in-hand with product level.
>Final Cut, imho, is the best prosumer app with the least artifacting.
>
>Bandon wrote:
>
>>Hey guys I am going to add video editing to my skill set and am wondering
>>which software is the industry standard for film, web media etc...
>>I was looking at learning Adobe Premier.
>>Will it sync to PARIS (thru use of the SMPTE audio file)
>>
>>
>>I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. There are
dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds are
year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt these little
critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die off.......either that or
our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major predator, but
this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen at this time
of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the infection can
lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health department.This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Deej,
I hope you're wrong.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. There =
are
dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds are
year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt these =
little
critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die off.......either =
that or
our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major =
predator, but
this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen at this =
time
of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the =
infection can
lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health department.
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Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b6e76c$1@linux...
> Are there daws that autocompensate for plug in latency so you can just
> make music and not worry about this crap?
>
> ThanksYou Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
tourists from Jersey!
To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
DCdont be a flamer.. we still got like 7 hours
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>
> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> tourists from Jersey!
>
> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
> DCThat sounds like a great setup Gene.
I'm always amazed by your dedication to producing music.
Best,
Lance
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43b6e957$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Martin,
> >
> >I'm thinking that since no one uses mixers anymore during tracking and
> >*riding the fader* really doesn't apply as far as boosting/attenuating
> >signal levels in DAW control surfaces like the C-16...
>
> Just felt the need to point out that some of us old-timers still record
vocals
> with a fader in the loop.
> Working without this option would be too high of a price to pay for
converting
> to DAW-Based recording.
> I use a custom setup. I have modified one channel of my MCI console using
> a Telefunken V672D dual preamp module. The modification is basically one
> half of the V672D before the fader (100mm P&G) and one half after. Other
> than incorporating the mute, the rest of that console strip is no longer
> active.
> This gives me a sweet sounding transformer coupled, Class A, active fader
> with about 12db of gain at unity. It normally sits between my mic pre and
> compressor.
>
> It is true that with 24bit audio you can record without a compressor and
> then use automation to level the tracks, but as I have stated here
previously,
> I am a big believer in having the singer work with the sound of the
compressor
> and the old method still gives the best results for me.
> I picked up the V372D for a couple of hundred dollars and spent a day
doing
> the install. This setup is worth a million dollars worth of plugins.
> Gene
>
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It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but =
there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from =
this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and =
are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and =
having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong =
constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few =
days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No =
self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about my =
wife.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f6fb@linux...
Deej,
I hope you're wrong.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
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I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. =
There are
dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds are
year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt these =
little
critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die off.......either =
that or
our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major =
predator, but
this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen at =
this time
of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the =
infection can
lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health =
department.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's very prevalent in this area. We've =
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around here from this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple =
of years=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you're wrong.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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or<BR>our=20
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but<BR>this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should =
happen at=20
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of your computer screen and it can be whatever day you want.
;o)
"justcron" <pachinko@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
news:43b6ffa5@linux...
> dont be a flamer.. we still got like 7 hours
>
> "DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
> >
> > You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
> >
> > Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
> >
> > And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> > tourists from Jersey!
> >
> > To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> > happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
> >
> > DC
>
>I'm up and about...bracing for a 44C degree day...9.20am and it's already
31C
Happy New Year to you all
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>
> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> tourists from Jersey!
>
> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
> DCWe select highest quality.,
Pretty good, I'd do full Aiff, but it is my wife's, she wants more tunes
at work.
"Jpmoss" <jp@ncounty.net> wrote:
>
> I use full aiff files.
> I use Itunes as my main Play back at home so i want the best sound I have
>a pc the I riged with a emu 1404 through a bench mark. I dont buy song from
>Itunes as I find it wrong to charge top dooler for files that are less in
>quility than cd. j"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Just got a 60gig Ipod and I'm going to start importing my cd
>>collection tonight.Just wondering which formats are used most and
>>which bit rates.Seems like AAC might be the way to go.I could
>>also see doing a mixture of AAC and Wavs or Apple Lossless.
>> One thing that confused me;it says Apple Lossless gives you the
>>same quality as AIFF and Wav,but is half the size.Can it really
>>be the same quality in half the size?
>>
>> Anyway,this looks to be a really fun toy and putting mixes on
>>it versus the whole cd burning thing will be quite cool.
>>
>>Happy Holidays,
>>Pete
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Playing tonight for 6 hours starting at 8:00pm est with a dinner set
or two. Getting a power nap and gearing up for a long one.
Happy New Year to all here on the group!
Tom
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message =
news:43b70518$1@linux...
I'm up and about...bracing for a 44C degree day...9.20am and it's =
already=20
31C
Happy New Year to you all
--=20
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>
> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> tourists from Jersey!
>
> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
> DC=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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=
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Thanks,
Pete
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>We select highest quality.,
>Pretty good, I'd do full Aiff, but it is my wife's, she wants more tunes
>at work.
>
>
>"Jpmoss" <jp@ncounty.net> wrote:
>>
>> I use full aiff files.
>> I use Itunes as my main Play back at home so i want the best sound I have
>>a pc the I riged with a emu 1404 through a bench mark. I dont buy song
from
>>Itunes as I find it wrong to charge top dooler for files that are less
in
>>quility than cd. j"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got a 60gig Ipod and I'm going to start importing my cd
>>>collection tonight.Just wondering which formats are used most and
>>>which bit rates.Seems like AAC might be the way to go.I could
>>>also see doing a mixture of AAC and Wavs or Apple Lossless.
>>> One thing that confused me;it says Apple Lossless gives you the
>>>same quality as AIFF and Wav,but is half the size.Can it really
>>>be the same quality in half the size?
>>>
>>> Anyway,this looks to be a really fun toy and putting mixes on
>>>it versus the whole cd burning thing will be quite cool.
>>>
>>>Happy Holidays,
>>>Pete
>>Everyone have a good and safe New Years celebration.
Pete
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote:
>
>You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
>Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
>And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>tourists from Jersey!
>
>To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
>DCHave a great show! I may sit in a bit with some friends at their
big New Years show tonight. As long as they don't make me play
"Old Time Rock n' Roll" any more...
grrrrr...
DC
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Playing tonight for 6 hours starting at 8:00pm est with a dinner set
>or two. Getting a power nap and gearing up for a long one.
>
>Happy New Year to all here on the group!
>Tom
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message =
>news:43b70518$1@linux...
> I'm up and about...bracing for a 44C degree day...9.20am and it's =
>already=20
> 31C
> Happy New Year to you all
> --=20
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
> >
> > You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
> >
> > Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
> >
> > And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> > tourists from Jersey!
> >
> > To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> > happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
> >
> > DC=20
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Playing tonight for 6 hours starting at
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>8:00pm est=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or two. Getting a power nap and =
>gearing up=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Happy New Year to all here on the=20
>group!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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> <DIV>"Martin Harrington" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:lendan@bigpond.net.au">lendan@bigpond.net.au</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message <A =
>href=3D"news:43b70518$1@linux">news:43b70518$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I'm=20
> up and about...bracing for a 44C degree day...9.20am and it's already=20
> <BR>31C<BR>Happy New Year to you all<BR>-- <BR>Martin Harrington<BR><A
=
>
> =
>href=3D"http://www.lendanear-sound.com">www.lendanear-sound.com</A><BR><B=
>R>"DC"=20
> <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:dc@spamdickclark.org">dc@spamdickclark.org</A>> wrote=20
> in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43b6feb0$1@linux">news:43b6feb0$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>t; You=20
> Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.<BR>><BR>> Here in =
>SoCal,=20
> it's a good time to stay off the freeways.<BR>><BR>> And, psst, =
>no one=20
> in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all<BR>> tourists from=20
> Jersey!<BR>><BR>> To each and every one of you, may your new =
>year be=20
> filled with<BR>> happiness, better music, and even better=20
> recordings!<BR>><BR>> DC <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>too much information
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i8hdr1dj3v3sg9g9b9uuvbro8v00n1h705@4ax.com...
> EWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:12:04 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
> >I've got the speedo on now !
> >
> >rick wrote:
> >> it's the speedo he's wearing whilst waiting for his new skiboat...me
> >> thinks it's a bit small...
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:20:56 -0500, "justcron"
> >> <pachinko@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>sure man... now quit asking for stuff. you sound like a girl.
> >>>
> >>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b582c0@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>well if justcron is listening, throw in a pair of them too
please.....oh
> >>>>and a allen and heath mixwizard 16:2 heheh
> >>>>
> >>>>Chris Latham wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=33&cat=20& ;id=332
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I heard these yesterday at a music store and was blown away, and was
> >>>>>shocked
> >>>>>to hear the price! If you're out and about, give 'em a listen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>CL
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
>On 31 Dec 2005 13:28:20 +1000, "Pete Ruthenburg"
<ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Just got a 60gig Ipod and I'm going to start importing my cd
>collection tonight.Just wondering which formats are used most and
>which bit rates.Seems like AAC might be the way to go.I could
>also see doing a mixture of AAC and Wavs or Apple Lossless.
> One thing that confused me;it says Apple Lossless gives you the
>same quality as AIFF and Wav,but is half the size.Can it really
>be the same quality in half the size?
>
I have a 60gb photoPod. I rip to 160kbps AAC. I use iTunes and the
iPod for casual listening - don't want to have to have a TB array just
to hold my cd collection. If I want to do critical listening, I'll
just pull out the original cd and listen to it on a real cd player.
Since iTunes is for casual listening, I don't really notice the losses
involved in squishing.
pabYehhh, Happy New Year to you all. Now I'm tired of looking at all the
colored bombs exploding all around here for plenty of hours, so I'm going to
bed, trying to sleep with closed headset without any music, dreaming sweet
about all the colors from the New Year firework battles;-)
Erling
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> skrev i melding
news:43b70518$1@linux...
> I'm up and about...bracing for a 44C degree day...9.20am and it's already
> 31C
> Happy New Year to you all
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>>
>> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>>
>> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>>
>> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>> tourists from Jersey!
>>
>> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>>
>> DC
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote:
>
>You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
Erghh... indeed. ;o) Actually in all honesty I feel quite good. I went
to this pub where you got a gift pack that included these hangover cure tablets,
which I was quite confident would not work, but remarkably I drunk heavily
for about 8 hours straight and feel quite good today. And that's despite
my sleep being interrupted by the heat. (yesterday was 42 degrees C... hottest
NYE ever here).
But onward and upward. A Happy New Year to all out in Paris land. Here's
hoping you all make some good music, buy some good gear, see some good bands,
have some good times, and whatever else tickles your fancy. :o)
Cheers,
Kim."Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>I'm up and about...bracing for a 44C degree day...9.20am and it's already
>31C
Ah, you guys too. Though it's dropped to high 20's here today. Phew. I don't
know what it got to yesterday. Last I checked the BOM site it was 41.7 or
something at around 4:30... 44 is rrrrEALLY silly.
Cheers,
Kim.
>Happy New Year to you all
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>>
>> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>>
>> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>>
>> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>> tourists from Jersey!
>>
>> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>>
>> DC
>
>I got a last minute call for a substitute cajun accordion gig - the regular
guy can't make it down the flood-closed freeway.
Cajun from 8:30pm to 12:30am. It will be fun.
It could be worse. Much worse...
Happy everything, guys
-stve
the thought of having to do "good time rock and roll" one more time curdles
my blood...
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> wrote:
>
>Have a great show! I may sit in a bit with some friends at their
>big New Years show tonight. As long as they don't make me play
>"Old Time Rock n' Roll" any more...
>
>grrrrr...
>
>DC
>
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Playing tonight for 6 hours starting at 8:00pm est with a dinner set
>>or two. Getting a power nap and gearing up for a long one.
>>
>>Happy New Year to all here on the group!
>>Tom
>>
>>Wishing you all the best for 2006 ! See you on the other side.
John
steve the artguy wrote:
> I got a last minute call for a substitute cajun accordion gig - the regular
> guy can't make it down the flood-closed freeway.
>
> Cajun from 8:30pm to 12:30am. It will be fun.
> It could be worse. Much worse...
>
> Happy everything, guys
>
> -stve
>
> the thought of having to do "good time rock and roll" one more time curdles
> my blood...
>
> "DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> wrote:
>
>>Have a great show! I may sit in a bit with some friends at their
>>big New Years show tonight. As long as they don't make me play
>>"Old Time Rock n' Roll" any more...
>>
>
>
>
>>grrrrr...
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Playing tonight for 6 hours starting at 8:00pm est with a dinner set
>>>or two. Getting a power nap and gearing up for a long one.
>>>
>>>Happy New Year to all here on the group!
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Can anyone tell me some things you are doing with wires? I'm new to it,
sorry.
JohnHere are all of the steps to do this in one comprehensive list:
1. Download masm32 (http://www.masm32.com/) and install it (after it
installs, it brings up a command prompt window, just close it. Do NOT have
it perform any of those functions.)
2. Copy the Nuendo3.exe to another location for backup purposes
3. Place another copy of Nuendo3.exe (or whichever sequencer you use) in the
C:\masm32\bin directory
4. Open up your command prompt and type "cd c:\masm32\bin"
5. Type "editbin /largeaddressaware Nuendo3.exe"
6. Move the copy of the Nuendo3.exe file you just modified back to the
regular Nuendo directory
7. Open your boot.ini file (located in C: - you may have to open any folder
and go Tools->Folder Options->View->Select Show Hidden Files and Folders and
UNcheck the "Hide protected operating system files" to see this file)
8. Add "/3GB" after "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS..." so it
should look like similar to
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /3GB /fastdetect...."
9. If you have a UAD-1 card, you also need to add "/Userva=2900" after the
/3GB switch, so it should look like similar to
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
Professional" /3GB /Userva=2900 /fastdetect...."
10. Save the modified boot.ini file
11. Reboot
I tried this switch before and it didn't work for me. I found out it was
because I had a UAD-1 card and I didn't have the "/Userva=2900" switch in
there. Now it works just fine for me. Now I can go past the ~1.3GB threshold
without crashes. This should also work for any sampler (Halion, Kontakt,
etc.).
If upon reboot your system is sluggish and nearly useless, just open your
boot.ini file and take the switch(es) back out, save it, and reboot. Also
don't forget to replace the Nuendo3.exe file with the backup you created.
Hope it helps
Happy new-year
Jorsi
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:43b6d24b@linux...
> And remember to tell
>> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
>
> What if I tell it and it refuses? Is there some way I can force it to do
> this whether it likes it or not? If so, how?
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43b68078@linux...
>> Sometimes the DVD/CD-drives don't like to be secondary slave, maybe you
>> should get an firmware-update for your DVD-drive. And remember to tell
>> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
>> make sure you are using a good ide-cable
>> hope it helps
>> Jorsi
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:43b56d2a$1@linux...
>> > Speak English DJ! Oh, never mind. I forgot I was a Mac guy for second
>> > there! ;>)
>> >
>> > Tony
>> >
>> >
>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > news:43b4c491@linux...
>> >> It gets wierder. I just shuffled the drives. I hung the DVDR on IDE 2
> as
>> >> master and the sample drive as IDE2 slave. Now IDE2 master mode is
>> >> showing
>> >> up DMA2 and the sample drive is DMA5. I don't know enough about this
>> >> situation to know if the DMA2 on the IDE2 master will bottleneck the
>> >> sample
>> >> drive, or not, but right now, it's streaming samples from BFD without
>> >> breathing hard at all. Are all computers this bizarre or just *my*
>> >> computers?
>> >>
>> >> ;oP
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
>> >>> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
>> >>> gremlins.
>> >>> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a
>> >>> 7200RPM
>> >>> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are
>> >>> on
>> >> this
>> >>> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for
>> >>> no
>> >>> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples
>> >>> with
>> >>> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
>> >>> sucks.
>> >>> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working properly
>> >> prior
>> >>> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus
> mastering
>> >>> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
>> >> anywhere.
>> >>> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
>> >>> this?
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
>> >> Corsair
>> >>> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at a
>> >> time.
>> >>> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus
>> >>> I
>> >> have
>> >>> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing the
>> >> things
>> >>> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM sticks
> to
>> >> the
>> >>> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I
> have
>> >>> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>> >>> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but when
> a
>> >>> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as
>> >>> system
>> >>> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a while
>> >> since
>> >>> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>> >>>
>> >>> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
>> >> danger
>> >>> right about now.
>> >>>
>> >>> TIA,
>> >>>
>> >>> Deej
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Anyone have a 1" 16 trk that can transfer to paris?
I use paris 2.1 on a MAC
My old tapes might need backing as tape are from the 80's?
Thanks Jimas well Mackie Traction tooo
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Steinberg DAWS compensate automatically, at least Nuendo and SX3 do.
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b6e76c$1@linux...
>> Are there daws that autocompensate for plug in latency so you can just
>> make music and not worry about this crap?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>I don't remember where I got it from, but you'll have to search for the
masm32-file. Maybe in microsoft-web.
hope it helps
Jorsi
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b73ad4@linux...
> Here are all of the steps to do this in one comprehensive list:
>
> 1. Download masm32 (http://www.masm32.com/) and install it (after it
> installs, it brings up a command prompt window, just close it. Do NOT have
> it perform any of those functions.)
> 2. Copy the Nuendo3.exe to another location for backup purposes
> 3. Place another copy of Nuendo3.exe (or whichever sequencer you use) in
> the C:\masm32\bin directory
> 4. Open up your command prompt and type "cd c:\masm32\bin"
> 5. Type "editbin /largeaddressaware Nuendo3.exe"
> 6. Move the copy of the Nuendo3.exe file you just modified back to the
> regular Nuendo directory
> 7. Open your boot.ini file (located in C: - you may have to open any
> folder and go Tools->Folder Options->View->Select Show Hidden Files and
> Folders and UNcheck the "Hide protected operating system files" to see
> this file)
> 8. Add "/3GB" after "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS..." so it
> should look like similar to
> "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /3GB /fastdetect...."
> 9. If you have a UAD-1 card, you also need to add "/Userva=2900" after the
> /3GB switch, so it should look like similar to
> "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /3GB /Userva=2900 /fastdetect...."
> 10. Save the modified boot.ini file
> 11. Reboot
>
> I tried this switch before and it didn't work for me. I found out it was
> because I had a UAD-1 card and I didn't have the "/Userva=2900" switch in
> there. Now it works just fine for me. Now I can go past the ~1.3GB
> threshold without crashes. This should also work for any sampler (Halion,
> Kontakt, etc.).
>
> If upon reboot your system is sluggish and nearly useless, just open your
> boot.ini file and take the switch(es) back out, save it, and reboot. Also
> don't forget to replace the Nuendo3.exe file with the backup you created.
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Happy new-year
>
> Jorsi
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:43b6d24b@linux...
>> And remember to tell
>>> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
>>
>> What if I tell it and it refuses? Is there some way I can force it to do
>> this whether it likes it or not? If so, how?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43b68078@linux...
>>> Sometimes the DVD/CD-drives don't like to be secondary slave, maybe you
>>> should get an firmware-update for your DVD-drive. And remember to tell
>>> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
>>> make sure you are using a good ide-cable
>>> hope it helps
>>> Jorsi
>>>
>>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>> news:43b56d2a$1@linux...
>>> > Speak English DJ! Oh, never mind. I forgot I was a Mac guy for second
>>> > there! ;>)
>>> >
>>> > Tony
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:43b4c491@linux...
>>> >> It gets wierder. I just shuffled the drives. I hung the DVDR on IDE 2
>> as
>>> >> master and the sample drive as IDE2 slave. Now IDE2 master mode is
>>> >> showing
>>> >> up DMA2 and the sample drive is DMA5. I don't know enough about this
>>> >> situation to know if the DMA2 on the IDE2 master will bottleneck the
>>> >> sample
>>> >> drive, or not, but right now, it's streaming samples from BFD without
>>> >> breathing hard at all. Are all computers this bizarre or just *my*
>>> >> computers?
>>> >>
>>> >> ;oP
>>> >>
>>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>> >> news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
>>> >>> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
>>> >>> gremlins.
>>> >>> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a
>>> >>> 7200RPM
>>> >>> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are
>>> >>> on
>>> >> this
>>> >>> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for
>>> >>> no
>>> >>> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream samples
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
>>> >>> sucks.
>>> >>> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working
>>> >>> properly
>>> >> prior
>>> >>> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus
>> mastering
>>> >>> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
>>> >> anywhere.
>>> >>> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I check
>>> >>> this?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good CAS2
>>> >> Corsair
>>> >>> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at
>>> >>> a
>>> >> time.
>>> >>> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM slots......plus
>>> >>> I
>>> >> have
>>> >>> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing
>>> >>> the
>>> >> things
>>> >>> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM
>>> >>> sticks
>> to
>>> >> the
>>> >>> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I
>> have
>>> >>> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs and
>>> >>> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but
>>> >>> when
>> a
>>> >>> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as
>>> >>> system
>>> >>> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a
>>> >>> while
>>> >> since
>>> >>> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and immediate
>>> >> danger
>>> >>> right about now.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> TIA,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Deej
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Hey Gene,
I am in this boat also... usually tracking while riding the
fader for things like vocals. Which MCI do you have? I
though they all came with Waters faders... did you mod that
portion of the strip as well?? the reason I ask is that we
are planning to de-VCA ours as the automation computer is caput.
David.
gene lennon wrote:
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>Martin,
>>
>>I'm thinking that since no one uses mixers anymore during tracking and
>>*riding the fader* really doesn't apply as far as boosting/attenuating
>>signal levels in DAW control surfaces like the C-16...
>
>
> Just felt the need to point out that some of us old-timers still record vocals
> with a fader in the loop.
> Working without this option would be too high of a price to pay for converting
> to DAW-Based recording.
> I use a custom setup. I have modified one channel of my MCI console using
> a Telefunken V672D dual preamp module. The modification is basically one
> half of the V672D before the fader (100mm P&G) and one half after. Other
> than incorporating the mute, the rest of that console strip is no longer
> active.
> This gives me a sweet sounding transformer coupled, Class A, active fader
> with about 12db of gain at unity. It normally sits between my mic pre and
> compressor.
>
> It is true that with 24bit audio you can record without a compressor and
> then use automation to level the tracks, but as I have stated here previously,
> I am a big believer in having the singer work with the sound of the compressor
> and the old method still gives the best results for me.
> I picked up the V372D for a couple of hundred dollars and spent a day doing
> the install. This setup is worth a million dollars worth of plugins.
> Gene
>
>SL3 also has it.
David.
Martin Harrington wrote:
> Steinberg DAWS compensate automatically, at least Nuendo and SX3 do.Just got in from a lame gig myself... Happy New Year to all!
David.
DC wrote:
> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> tourists from Jersey!
>
> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
> DCHappy New Year!!
Question: I have a separrate Vst/Giga PC..Fine
How dow is use XS Or V-Stacks to route out(FX) into Paris or any
other Daw?How 'bout Mustang Sally??? ;-)
David.
DC wrote:
> Have a great show! I may sit in a bit with some friends at their
> big New Years show tonight. As long as they don't make me play
> "Old Time Rock n' Roll" any more...
>
> grrrrr...
>
> DC
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Playing tonight for 6 hours starting at 8:00pm est with a dinner set
>>or two. Getting a power nap and gearing up for a long one.
>>
>>Happy New Year to all here on the group!
>>Tom
>>
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message =
>>news:43b70518$1@linux...
>> I'm up and about...bracing for a 44C degree day...9.20am and it's =
>>already=20
>> 31C
>> Happy New Year to you all
>> --=20
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>> >
>> > You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>> >
>> > Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>> >
>> > And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>> > tourists from Jersey!
>> >
>> > To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>> > happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>> >
>> > DC=20
>>
>>
>>
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:16:36 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about my wife.
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:43b6f6fb@linux...
> Deej,
> I hope you're wrong.
> Tom
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
> I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. There are
> dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds are
> year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt these little
> critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die off.......either that or
> our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major predator, but
> this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen at this time
> of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the infection can
> lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health department.I've used it to route Aux FX back to strips for added EQ and Panning etc.
ie: chorus on an acoustic 12 string guitar panned to the opposite side
I've also tried sending all the drums to two Aux (via the Aux send) then
returning the two Aux to two strips (a cheezy drum buss) via wires.
It's to bad Paris's architecture doesn't allow jumping between
submixes....now that could be fun.
Don
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b73aa3@linux...
> Can anyone tell me some things you are doing with wires? I'm new to it,
> sorry.
> JohnI have a line on a B3 module on ebay but it comes without any ROM cards.
My question is can I load this with sounds (from a music store) and then
walk away or do the ROM cards need to be in the unit for it to play sounds
DonHappy New Year amigos!
El Miguel
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>
> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> tourists from Jersey!
>
> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
> DCHappy New Year from the Capital of the Great White North
Don
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> wrote in message news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>
> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> tourists from Jersey!
>
> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
> DCLOL
Pete is his evil twin :)
El Miguel
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:43b63687$1@linux...
> Don't get what?
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b5fe39@linux...
> >i don't get it? seriously
> >
> > Martin Harrington wrote:
> >> Thanks Pete.
>
>Most all of the rendering errors were directly related to crossfades not
being
properly positioned. Check your crossfades on v3.
Regards,
El Miguel
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b5edb4@linux...
> Well that was quick. 2.2 doesn't even have render. grrrrrrr what crap
>
> John wrote:
> > damn laptop sent before i was ready.
> > I get error in rendering track to disk. error code 1879248898/70031002
> > when i try to render 3 plugs on two identical tracks.
> > Paris really is a piece of crap for me. I thrilled you all have
> > success. I have wasted years of my life on this piece of crap.
> > John
> >
> > John wrote:
> >
> >> now it's a 2.4 intel celeron with 512 ram. I just put 98 back and it
> >> crashes just as nicely. i have NEVER had paris running reliably. I'm
> >> gonna try going back to 2.x on 98. Rendering is not happening for me
> >>
> >>
> >> Miguel Vigil wrote:
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> what are your computer specs?
> >>>
> >>> As I recall, the last time you bailed out on XP you were attempting
> >>> to set it up on an older setup.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> El Miguel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43b3d299$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>> Last nights BSOD crash was something like Device_MM_Controller. If
> >>>> Paris was reliable for me it sure would be useful. Any tips always
> >>>> appreciated. This is very frustrating.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> cujo wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> So this is the cause of the Blue Screen OF Death at shut down? I
also
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> have
> >>>
> >>>>> an issue woth closing paris.
> >>>>> I have to turn my comp off at the button.
> >>>>> Can you explain to a windows novice how to check this?
> >>>>> thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> gotcha, thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rod Lincoln wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it's the default path of the subsystem installer. Make sure that's
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> where
> >>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Paris app resides. If you hvae version 3, it most likely is. If
you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> have
> >>>
> >>>>>>> version 2, it's in the ensoniq folder.
> >>>>>>> Rod
> >>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What's the EMU directory thing ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Martin Harrington wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That sounds right, but I'm going from memory here as I don't
have
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Paris
> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> anymore and haven't used it for about 2 years.
> >>>>>>>>> Don't forget the Emu directory thing though.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Hey Gene,
>
>I am in this boat also... usually tracking while riding the
>fader for things like vocals. Which MCI do you have? I
>though they all came with Waters faders... did you mod that
>portion of the strip as well?? the reason I ask is that we
>are planning to de-VCA ours as the automation computer is caput.
>
>David.
The original fader was a linear fader P&G to control the VCA. But I did have
a replacement sitting around so that was easy.
Describing my console takes a minute.
What I have is a pair of Sony/MCI JH600s in a custom console that also holds
my computer keyboards and C-16s. The electronics in my JH600s are identical
to the last series JH636 (with the addition of the big MCI transformers).
Additionally, I have a Fred Forssell summing section and some input modifications.
This gives me 48 into summing.
The JH636 was one of my favorite sounding consoles of the time. This was
largely due to the TROISI EQ modules that were available from a third party
and sound great.
Mine also has the flip fader mod that allows the small fader to be inline
before the second patch out point, so you can have Mic Pre to EQ to small
fader to direct out without seeing the VCA and four very punchy VCA based
stereo bus compressors that I am also fond of.
Honestly, very little of my time is spent with big multi-mic tracking sessions
which is the only time I really need the MCA. Other than that it is primarily
used for monitoring since I still prefer to mix in Paris! That may change
if I ever decide to remove the VCAs from every channel.
Gene
P.S.
The use of Telefunken V672D is full of minefields. Many units that are around
are not the 100% discreet original Telefunken specs and the units also require
a mod to become flat above 10K. I hope I have not set several people off
on a difficult task here.
The V672D also makes a great sounding Mic preamp pair with some modest modifications.
It’s a sweet unit if you get a good one."LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Happy New Year!!
>
>Question: I have a separrate Vst/Giga PC..Fine
> How dow is use XS Or V-Stacks to route out(FX) into Paris or any
>other Daw?
V-Stack has no provision for bringing in external audio although I have used
Wormhole to cheat this.
If you have a GSIF2 compliant soundcard, you can send audio to Giga and use
the impulse reverb and other plugs.
I use ADAT optical connections between DAWS to do this most of the time.
GeneI have one, it is 30 ips though and set up with DBX, not tones tape, So it's
gotta stay that way..But, let me know.
"James Phillips" <Jpmoss2@nospamnetzero.com> wrote:
>
>Anyone have a 1" 16 trk that can transfer to paris?
>I use paris 2.1 on a MAC
>My old tapes might need backing as tape are from the 80's?
>
>Thanks Jim
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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I've always been a pathetic, sickly thing. If any of these bugs gets to =
GA, I'm in trouble....
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b7041e$1@linux...
It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but =
there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from =
this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and =
are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and =
having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong =
constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few =
days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No =
self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about my =
wife.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f6fb@linux...
Deej,
I hope you're wrong.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
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I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. =
There are
dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds are
year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt these =
little
critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die off.......either =
that or
our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major =
predator, but
this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen at =
this time
of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the =
infection can
lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health =
department.
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the=20
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strong=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C60ECF.A66F77E0--I found it. I'm going to do this for sure. I'm waiting for some more VSTi's
co arrive that I ordered last week. I'm going to get everything loaded and
stable with a minimally tweaked install, ghost it and then get into the in
depth tweaking. I appreciate your help. I think it will be cool to be able
to put all of this RAM to good use........and if it doesn't work, I can
revert back to a pre-tweaked state of affairs.
Best regards and happy new year.
Deej
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43b77c08@linux...
> I don't remember where I got it from, but you'll have to search for the
> masm32-file. Maybe in microsoft-web.
>
> hope it helps
> Jorsi
> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b73ad4@linux...
> > Here are all of the steps to do this in one comprehensive list:
> >
> > 1. Download masm32 (http://www.masm32.com/) and install it (after it
> > installs, it brings up a command prompt window, just close it. Do NOT
have
> > it perform any of those functions.)
> > 2. Copy the Nuendo3.exe to another location for backup purposes
> > 3. Place another copy of Nuendo3.exe (or whichever sequencer you use) in
> > the C:\masm32\bin directory
> > 4. Open up your command prompt and type "cd c:\masm32\bin"
> > 5. Type "editbin /largeaddressaware Nuendo3.exe"
> > 6. Move the copy of the Nuendo3.exe file you just modified back to the
> > regular Nuendo directory
> > 7. Open your boot.ini file (located in C: - you may have to open any
> > folder and go Tools->Folder Options->View->Select Show Hidden Files and
> > Folders and UNcheck the "Hide protected operating system files" to see
> > this file)
> > 8. Add "/3GB" after "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS..." so
it
> > should look like similar to
> > "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> > Professional" /3GB /fastdetect...."
> > 9. If you have a UAD-1 card, you also need to add "/Userva=2900" after
the
> > /3GB switch, so it should look like similar to
> > "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> > Professional" /3GB /Userva=2900 /fastdetect...."
> > 10. Save the modified boot.ini file
> > 11. Reboot
> >
> > I tried this switch before and it didn't work for me. I found out it was
> > because I had a UAD-1 card and I didn't have the "/Userva=2900" switch
in
> > there. Now it works just fine for me. Now I can go past the ~1.3GB
> > threshold without crashes. This should also work for any sampler
(Halion,
> > Kontakt, etc.).
> >
> > If upon reboot your system is sluggish and nearly useless, just open
your
> > boot.ini file and take the switch(es) back out, save it, and reboot.
Also
> > don't forget to replace the Nuendo3.exe file with the backup you
created.
> >
> > Hope it helps
> >
> > Happy new-year
> >
> > Jorsi
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:43b6d24b@linux...
> >> And remember to tell
> >>> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
> >>
> >> What if I tell it and it refuses? Is there some way I can force it to
do
> >> this whether it likes it or not? If so, how?
> >>
> >> ;o)
> >>
> >>
> >> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43b68078@linux...
> >>> Sometimes the DVD/CD-drives don't like to be secondary slave, maybe
you
> >>> should get an firmware-update for your DVD-drive. And remember to tell
> >>> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
> >>> make sure you are using a good ide-cable
> >>> hope it helps
> >>> Jorsi
> >>>
> >>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> >>> news:43b56d2a$1@linux...
> >>> > Speak English DJ! Oh, never mind. I forgot I was a Mac guy for
second
> >>> > there! ;>)
> >>> >
> >>> > Tony
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>> > news:43b4c491@linux...
> >>> >> It gets wierder. I just shuffled the drives. I hung the DVDR on IDE
2
> >> as
> >>> >> master and the sample drive as IDE2 slave. Now IDE2 master mode is
> >>> >> showing
> >>> >> up DMA2 and the sample drive is DMA5. I don't know enough about
this
> >>> >> situation to know if the DMA2 on the IDE2 master will bottleneck
the
> >>> >> sample
> >>> >> drive, or not, but right now, it's streaming samples from BFD
without
> >>> >> breathing hard at all. Are all computers this bizarre or just *my*
> >>> >> computers?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ;oP
> >>> >>
> >>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
> >>> >>> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
> >>> >>> gremlins.
> >>> >>> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a
> >>> >>> 7200RPM
> >>> >>> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD
are
> >>> >>> on
> >>> >> this
> >>> >>> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly,
for
> >>> >>> no
> >>> >>> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream
samples
> >>> >>> with
> >>> >>> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
> >>> >>> sucks.
> >>> >>> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working
> >>> >>> properly
> >>> >> prior
> >>> >>> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus
> >> mastering
> >>> >>> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> >>> >> anywhere.
> >>> >>> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I
check
> >>> >>> this?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good
CAS2
> >>> >> Corsair
> >>> >>> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three
at
> >>> >>> a
> >>> >> time.
> >>> >>> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM
slots......plus
> >>> >>> I
> >>> >> have
> >>> >>> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >> things
> >>> >>> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM
> >>> >>> sticks
> >> to
> >>> >> the
> >>> >>> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up.
I
> >> have
> >>> >>> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs
and
> >>> >>> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but
> >>> >>> when
> >> a
> >>> >>> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as
> >>> >>> system
> >>> >>> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a
> >>> >>> while
> >>> >> since
> >>> >>> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and
immediate
> >>> >> danger
> >>> >>> right about now.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> TIA,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Deej
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>This sounds like such a ghreat tweak, I've just gotta try it. thanks Jorsi.
I'm sure I'll just ghost my OS install before I start this little adventure.
Happy New Year
;o)
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43b73ad4@linux...
> Here are all of the steps to do this in one comprehensive list:
>
> 1. Download masm32 (http://www.masm32.com/) and install it (after it
> installs, it brings up a command prompt window, just close it. Do NOT have
> it perform any of those functions.)
> 2. Copy the Nuendo3.exe to another location for backup purposes
> 3. Place another copy of Nuendo3.exe (or whichever sequencer you use) in
the
> C:\masm32\bin directory
> 4. Open up your command prompt and type "cd c:\masm32\bin"
> 5. Type "editbin /largeaddressaware Nuendo3.exe"
> 6. Move the copy of the Nuendo3.exe file you just modified back to the
> regular Nuendo directory
> 7. Open your boot.ini file (located in C: - you may have to open any
folder
> and go Tools->Folder Options->View->Select Show Hidden Files and Folders
and
> UNcheck the "Hide protected operating system files" to see this file)
> 8. Add "/3GB" after "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS..." so it
> should look like similar to
> "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /3GB /fastdetect...."
> 9. If you have a UAD-1 card, you also need to add "/Userva=2900" after the
> /3GB switch, so it should look like similar to
> "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional" /3GB /Userva=2900 /fastdetect...."
> 10. Save the modified boot.ini file
> 11. Reboot
>
> I tried this switch before and it didn't work for me. I found out it was
> because I had a UAD-1 card and I didn't have the "/Userva=2900" switch in
> there. Now it works just fine for me. Now I can go past the ~1.3GB
threshold
> without crashes. This should also work for any sampler (Halion, Kontakt,
> etc.).
>
> If upon reboot your system is sluggish and nearly useless, just open your
> boot.ini file and take the switch(es) back out, save it, and reboot. Also
> don't forget to replace the Nuendo3.exe file with the backup you created.
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Happy new-year
>
> Jorsi
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:43b6d24b@linux...
> > And remember to tell
> >> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
> >
> > What if I tell it and it refuses? Is there some way I can force it to do
> > this whether it likes it or not? If so, how?
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> > "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:43b68078@linux...
> >> Sometimes the DVD/CD-drives don't like to be secondary slave, maybe you
> >> should get an firmware-update for your DVD-drive. And remember to tell
> >> windows to use more than 3gigs of ram.
> >> make sure you are using a good ide-cable
> >> hope it helps
> >> Jorsi
> >>
> >> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> >> news:43b56d2a$1@linux...
> >> > Speak English DJ! Oh, never mind. I forgot I was a Mac guy for second
> >> > there! ;>)
> >> >
> >> > Tony
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:43b4c491@linux...
> >> >> It gets wierder. I just shuffled the drives. I hung the DVDR on IDE
2
> > as
> >> >> master and the sample drive as IDE2 slave. Now IDE2 master mode is
> >> >> showing
> >> >> up DMA2 and the sample drive is DMA5. I don't know enough about this
> >> >> situation to know if the DMA2 on the IDE2 master will bottleneck the
> >> >> sample
> >> >> drive, or not, but right now, it's streaming samples from BFD
without
> >> >> breathing hard at all. Are all computers this bizarre or just *my*
> >> >> computers?
> >> >>
> >> >> ;oP
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:43b4a4f1$1@linux...
> >> >>> I think I may have a defective mobo. I've been chasing too many
> >> >>> gremlins.
> >> >>> I've managed to kill off all but two, as follows-
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1. Gremlin #1-I have a 400G drive dedicated to samples. It's a
> >> >>> 7200RPM
> >> >>> Seagate Barracuda and is IDE2 master. All of my samples for BFD are
> >> >>> on
> >> >> this
> >> >>> drive. All will be well for a couple of days and then suddenly, for
> >> >>> no
> >> >>> discernable reason, BFD loses the ability to load and stream
samples
> >> >>> with
> >> >>> any speed at all. CPU usage goes to around 50% and life just plain
> >> >>> sucks.
> >> >>> Restoring a Ghost of my system drive wherein BFD was working
properly
> >> >> prior
> >> >>> to the Ghosting will fix the problem.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm wondering if maybe DMA isn't enabled or there is some bus
> > mastering
> >> >>> wierdness happening. I can't find the DMA or bus mastering options
> >> >> anywhere.
> >> >>> I'm running win XPSP1a with DX9 installed. Where the heck do I
check
> >> >>> this?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2. Gremlin #2-I've got 4 x matched 1G RAM sticks. This is good
CAS2
> >> >> Corsair
> >> >>> XMS stuff. They all are functioning normally in pairs and three at
a
> >> >> time.
> >> >>> Any three sticks will show up in any three of my RAM
slots......plus
> >> >>> I
> >> >> have
> >> >>> tested all of them singly to make sure they show up and are doing
the
> >> >> things
> >> >>> that RAM is supposed to do. However, after adding all four RAM
sticks
> > to
> >> >> the
> >> >>> 4 x RAM slots on the mobo, only 3 gigs of system memory shows up. I
> > have
> >> >>> tested every RAM slot in the mobo individually in singles, pairs
and
> >> >>> configurations of three and all four of the slots work fine, but
when
> > a
> >> >>> fourth RAM stick is added, only three G of RAM are available as
> >> >>> system
> >> >>> memory. This suck'eth most seriously.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm thinking *big bullseye on DAW* right about now. It's been a
while
> >> >> since
> >> >>> I've unlimbered my 12ga.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Someone please save my computer's life. It's in mortal and
immediate
> >> >> danger
> >> >>> right about now.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> TIA,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Deej
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Happy New Year to all from Greenland.
Jorsi
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>
> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
> tourists from Jersey!
>
> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
> DCThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Pack your bags and go here:
http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/
Stay for about 3-6 months. If you survive the malaria, dengue fever, =
staph, intestinal parisites, wild dogs that roam the beach in packs at =
night, violent drunks, violent drug dealers, corrupt police and soldiers =
and the incredibly deadly undertow right off the beach, nothing will be =
able to kill you except perhaps yourself or your wife/better half, of =
course.
Last time I was there I arrived on New Years Eve 1994. We partied until =
early AM and were lying naked as a bunch of jaybirds on the beach the =
next morning when the helicopter gunships flew over on their way to put =
down the Zapatista uprising.
Fun place actually.........
;o)
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:43b81324@linux...
I've always been a pathetic, sickly thing. If any of these bugs gets =
to GA, I'm in trouble....
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b7041e$1@linux...
It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, =
but there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here =
from this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago =
and are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics =
and having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong =
constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few =
days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No =
self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about my =
wife.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f6fb@linux...
Deej,
I hope you're wrong.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. =
There are
dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds =
are
year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt these =
little
critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die =
off.......either that or
our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major =
predator, but
this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen =
at this time
of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the =
infection can
lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health =
department.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pack your bags and go =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/">http:=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stay for about 3-6 months. If you =
survive the=20
malaria, dengue fever, staph, intestinal parisites, wild dogs that roam =
the=20
beach in packs at night, violent drunks, violent drug dealers, corrupt =
police=20
and soldiers and the incredibly deadly undertow right off the beach, =
nothing=20
will be able to kill you except perhaps yourself or your wife/better =
half, of=20
course.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last time I was there I arrived on New =
Years Eve=20
1994. We partied until early AM and were lying naked as a bunch of =
jaybirds on=20
the beach the next morning when the helicopter gunships flew over on =
their way=20
to put down the Zapatista uprising.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fun place =
actually.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A =
href=3D"news:43b81324@linux">news:43b81324@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've always been a pathetic, sickly =
thing. If any=20
of these bugs gets to GA, I'm in trouble....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
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_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:43b7041e$1@linux">news:43b7041e$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's very prevalent in this area. =
We've had our=20
horses vaccinated, but there is no vaccination for humans. People =
have died=20
around here from this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a =
couple of=20
years ago and are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in =
the=20
tropics and having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a =
pretty strong=20
constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a =
few days.=20
Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>No self respecting bug hangs around me for =
long, but I=20
worry a lot about my wife.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:43b6f6fb@linux">news:43b6f6fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you're wrong.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43b6f3e8$1@linux">news:43b6f3e8$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I've =
been=20
puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. There =
are<BR>dead=20
birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds =
are<BR>year=20
-round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt these=20
little<BR>critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die=20
off.......either that or<BR>our little cat has been working =
triple=20
overtime (she's a major predator, but<BR>this is too much, even =
for=20
her). Strange that it should happen at this time<BR>of year =
though. It's=20
too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the infection can<BR>lie =
dormant=20
and then pop up later. We've called the health=20
=
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Don
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43b7e9d5@linux...
>I have a line on a B3 module on ebay but it comes without any ROM cards.
>
> My question is can I load this with sounds (from a music store) and then
> walk away or do the ROM cards need to be in the unit for it to play sounds
>
> Don
>Woa...what a party last night. Only about 20 of us but holy moly did we
have fun. It was our "canadian xmas" combined...which ended only a few
minutes ago (4:30est)...lol....
I hope you all had a great time and that your new year brings you much
happiness.
jef
DC wrote:
>You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>
>Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>
>And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>tourists from Jersey!
>
>To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>
>DC
>
>Happy New Year to you too!
Greenland. wow. I did not know there were any Paris users there.
If this is your first time here, let me say welcome!
Don
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>Happy New Year to all from Greenland.
>Jorsi
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>>
>> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>>
>> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>>
>> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>> tourists from Jersey!
>>
>> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>>
>> DC
>
>I've been with you for many years, I got my paris in 98
Jorsi
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b8539f$1@linux...
>
> Happy New Year to you too!
>
> Greenland. wow. I did not know there were any Paris users there.
>
> If this is your first time here, let me say welcome!
>
> Don
>
>
> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>>Happy New Year to all from Greenland.
>>Jorsi
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>>>
>>> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>>>
>>> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>>> tourists from Jersey!
>>>
>>> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>>> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>>>
>>> DC
>>
>>
>So, how was New Years Day in Greenland?
DC
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>I've been with you for many years, I got my paris in 98
>
>Jorsi
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b8539f$1@linux...
>>
>> Happy New Year to you too!
>>
>> Greenland. wow. I did not know there were any Paris users there.
>>
>> If this is your first time here, let me say welcome!
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>>>Happy New Year to all from Greenland.
>>>Jorsi
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>>>>
>>>> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>>>>
>>>> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>>>> tourists from Jersey!
>>>>
>>>> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>>>> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I am really amazed as what Chainer can do with Paris.
Not only it is a very very stable VST chainer that can load and save its
own presets of your vst's on specific Paris tracks with exact vst own presets
on a push of a button but it can be handy for other things too.
One great thing is to use Chainer to achieve the "New York" type of mixing.
Means to have the unprocessed and the processed (heavily compressed and eq'ed)
version of the audio tracks at the same "no latency"
Of course for this you will be needing 0 latency VST compressors but most
of the VST compressors available including many freeones are 0 latency.
C1 from Waves (not Rcomp )
Dave Brown comp
Sonalksis
TC works from TC electronics
mda comp
D_limiter
Camelphatfree
Classic compressor
Neodynium
etc
You can easily check if your favoured comp is 0 latency.
T-racks are not 0 latency (64 samples) same as Rcomp from waves.
Now inside Chainer you do the following.
Put an input module on first slot.
Then your comp on second slot
Your EQ on third slot
Compress heavily and eq to taste...
Then put AGAIN on fourth slot the input module.
This adds again the "dry" sound along with your processed.
You can only imagine what you can do.
Thre-four compressors to really smash your sound then your EQ (all eq's are
0 latency) you can use here the Paris VST eq if you like...
Thus by trimming the volumes you can add more or less dry or wet sound...
If you wanna do it on more than one drumtrack copy the chainer preset to
have the exact processing...
If you wanna use DX inside Chainer just use the free FFX-4 DX chainer to
have your DX along with your vst's and save all of them under the same Chainer
preset.!
Happy New Year
DimitriosIt was cold and sunny, not much wind. It was nice with all the fireworks.
Had a nice dinner with my family and listened to some good old music, had a
lot of fun.
Jorsi
"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b85b54$1@linux...
>
> So, how was New Years Day in Greenland?
>
> DC
>
>
> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>>I've been with you for many years, I got my paris in 98
>>
>>Jorsi
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b8539f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Happy New Year to you too!
>>>
>>> Greenland. wow. I did not know there were any Paris users there.
>>>
>>> If this is your first time here, let me say welcome!
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>>>>Happy New Year to all from Greenland.
>>>>Jorsi
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>>>>> tourists from Jersey!
>>>>>
>>>>> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>>>>> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Hmmmmmm... partying like a Roman as vaccination plan....
I like you more and more all the time.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b8370c@linux...
Pack your bags and go here:
http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/
Stay for about 3-6 months. If you survive the malaria, dengue fever, =
staph, intestinal parisites, wild dogs that roam the beach in packs at =
night, violent drunks, violent drug dealers, corrupt police and soldiers =
and the incredibly deadly undertow right off the beach, nothing will be =
able to kill you except perhaps yourself or your wife/better half, of =
course.
Last time I was there I arrived on New Years Eve 1994. We partied =
until early AM and were lying naked as a bunch of jaybirds on the beach =
the next morning when the helicopter gunships flew over on their way to =
put down the Zapatista uprising.
Fun place actually.........
;o)
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:43b81324@linux...
I've always been a pathetic, sickly thing. If any of these bugs gets =
to GA, I'm in trouble....
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b7041e$1@linux...
It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, =
but there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here =
from this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago =
and are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics =
and having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong =
constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few =
days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No =
self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about my =
wife.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f6fb@linux...
Deej,
I hope you're wrong.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and =
that. There are
dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds =
are
year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt =
these little
critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die =
off.......either that or
our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major =
predator, but
this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen =
at this time
of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the =
infection can
lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health =
department.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I like you more and more all the =
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:43b8370c@linux">news:43b8370c@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pack your bags and go =
here:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/">http:=
//community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/</A></FONT ></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stay for about 3-6 months. If you =
survive the=20
malaria, dengue fever, staph, intestinal parisites, wild dogs that =
roam the=20
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police=20
and soldiers and the incredibly deadly undertow right off the beach, =
nothing=20
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half, of=20
course.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last time I was there I arrived on =
New Years Eve=20
1994. We partied until early AM and were lying naked as a bunch of =
jaybirds on=20
the beach the next morning when the helicopter gunships flew over on =
their way=20
to put down the Zapatista uprising.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fun place =
actually.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:43b81324@linux">news:43b81324@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've always been a pathetic, sickly =
thing. If=20
any of these bugs gets to GA, I'm in trouble....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
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_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's very prevalent in this area. =
We've had=20
our horses vaccinated, but there is no vaccination for humans. =
People have=20
died around here from this. I know a couple of folks who caught it =
a=20
couple of years ago and are still sick. Having lived a good part =
of my=20
life in the tropics and having survived some pretty nasty bugs, =
I've got a=20
pretty strong constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got =
really sick=20
for a few days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it =
cleared=20
up. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No self respecting bug =
hangs around me=20
for long, but I worry a lot about my wife.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you're =
wrong.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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=
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_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43b6f3e8$1@linux">news:43b6f3e8$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I've=20
been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. =
There=20
are<BR>dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. =
These birds=20
are<BR>year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to =
hurt=20
these little<BR>critters. This looks like a classic West Nile =
die=20
off.......either that or<BR>our little cat has been working =
triple=20
overtime (she's a major predator, but<BR>this is too much, =
even for=20
her). Strange that it should happen at this time<BR>of year =
though.=20
It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the infection =
can<BR>lie=20
dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health=20
=
department.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></=
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C60F0D.269ECA50--Thanks for the info Dimitrios do you have a link to this chainer and ff4 you
mentioned?
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>I am really amazed as what Chainer can do with Paris.
>Not only it is a very very stable VST chainer that can load and save its
>own presets of your vst's on specific Paris tracks with exact vst own presets
>on a push of a button but it can be handy for other things too.
>One great thing is to use Chainer to achieve the "New York" type of mixing.
>Means to have the unprocessed and the processed (heavily compressed and
eq'ed)
>version of the audio tracks at the same "no latency"
>Of course for this you will be needing 0 latency VST compressors but most
>of the VST compressors available including many freeones are 0 latency.
>C1 from Waves (not Rcomp )
>Dave Brown comp
>Sonalksis
>TC works from TC electronics
>mda comp
>D_limiter
>Camelphatfree
>Classic compressor
>Neodynium
>etc
>
>You can easily check if your favoured comp is 0 latency.
>T-racks are not 0 latency (64 samples) same as Rcomp from waves.
>
>Now inside Chainer you do the following.
>Put an input module on first slot.
>Then your comp on second slot
>Your EQ on third slot
>Compress heavily and eq to taste...
>Then put AGAIN on fourth slot the input module.
>This adds again the "dry" sound along with your processed.
>You can only imagine what you can do.
>Thre-four compressors to really smash your sound then your EQ (all eq's
are
>0 latency) you can use here the Paris VST eq if you like...
>Thus by trimming the volumes you can add more or less dry or wet sound...
>If you wanna do it on more than one drumtrack copy the chainer preset to
>have the exact processing...
>If you wanna use DX inside Chainer just use the free FFX-4 DX chainer to
>have your DX along with your vst's and save all of them under the same Chainer
>preset.!
>Happy New Year
>Dimitrios
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Like I said earlier.......no self respecting bug will live in my body.
;o)
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:43b87a51$1@linux...
Hmmmmmm... partying like a Roman as vaccination plan....
I like you more and more all the time.
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b8370c@linux...
Pack your bags and go here:
http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/
Stay for about 3-6 months. If you survive the malaria, dengue fever, =
staph, intestinal parisites, wild dogs that roam the beach in packs at =
night, violent drunks, violent drug dealers, corrupt police and soldiers =
and the incredibly deadly undertow right off the beach, nothing will be =
able to kill you except perhaps yourself or your wife/better half, of =
course.
Last time I was there I arrived on New Years Eve 1994. We partied =
until early AM and were lying naked as a bunch of jaybirds on the beach =
the next morning when the helicopter gunships flew over on their way to =
put down the Zapatista uprising.
Fun place actually.........
;o)
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message =
news:43b81324@linux...
I've always been a pathetic, sickly thing. If any of these bugs =
gets to GA, I'm in trouble....
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b7041e$1@linux...
It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses =
vaccinated, but there is no vaccination for humans. People have died =
around here from this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple =
of years ago and are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in =
the tropics and having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a =
pretty strong constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really =
sick for a few days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it =
cleared up. No self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry =
a lot about my wife.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f6fb@linux...
Deej,
I hope you're wrong.
Tom
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and =
that. There are
dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These =
birds are
year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt =
these little
critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die =
off.......either that or
our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a =
major predator, but
this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should =
happen at this time
of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if =
the infection can
lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health =
department.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like I said earlier.......no self =
respecting bug=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A =
href=3D"news:43b87a51$1@linux">news:43b87a51$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmmmmm... partying like a Roman as =
vaccination=20
plan....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I like you more and more all the=20
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:43b8370c@linux">news:43b8370c@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pack your bags and go =
here:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/">http:=
//community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/</A></FONT ></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Stay for about 3-6 months. If you =
survive the=20
malaria, dengue fever, staph, intestinal parisites, wild dogs that =
roam the=20
beach in packs at night, violent drunks, violent drug dealers, =
corrupt=20
police and soldiers and the incredibly deadly undertow right off the =
beach,=20
nothing will be able to kill you except perhaps yourself or your =
wife/better=20
half, of course.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last time I was there I arrived on =
New Years=20
Eve 1994. We partied until early AM and were lying naked as a bunch =
of=20
jaybirds on the beach the next morning when the helicopter gunships =
flew=20
over on their way to put down the Zapatista uprising.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Fun place =
actually.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV>"uptown jimmy" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:johnson314@bellsouth.net">johnson314@bellsouth.net</A>>=
=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:43b81324@linux">news:43b81324@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've always been a pathetic, =
sickly thing. If=20
any of these bugs gets to GA, I'm in trouble....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43b7041e$1@linux">news:43b7041e$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's very prevalent in this =
area. We've had=20
our horses vaccinated, but there is no vaccination for humans. =
People=20
have died around here from this. I know a couple of folks who =
caught it=20
a couple of years ago and are still sick. Having lived a good =
part of my=20
life in the tropics and having survived some pretty nasty bugs, =
I've got=20
a pretty strong constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got =
really=20
sick for a few days. Never felt anything like it before, but =
then it=20
cleared up. </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No self =
respecting bug hangs=20
around me for long, but I worry a lot about my =
wife.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A =
href=3D"news:43b6f6fb@linux">news:43b6f6fb@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope you're =
wrong.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net">animix_spam-this-ahole=
_@animas.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43b6f3e8$1@linux">news:43b6f3e8$1@linux</A>...</DIV>I've=20
been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and that. =
There=20
are<BR>dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. =
These=20
birds are<BR>year -round species and it hasn't been cold =
enough to=20
hurt these little<BR>critters. This looks like a classic =
West Nile=20
die off.......either that or<BR>our little cat has been =
working=20
triple overtime (she's a major predator, but<BR>this is too =
much,=20
even for her). Strange that it should happen at this =
time<BR>of year=20
though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the =
infection=20
can<BR>lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the =
health=20
=
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------=_NextPart_000_0082_01C60F03.14BBAC40--I actually cancelled my trip to San Diego. Seemed like 3.5 hours
behind the wheel while dodging the drunks was a bit much to hang
out and play "Old Time Rock n' Roll" again...
grrrr
Here in Riverside, (southern California) is was warm and very noisy
with the neighbors just blasting Mexican music for 4 hours.
I like some of that stuff, but not the rap... But they never complain
when I blast the Marshall amp, so I did not complain either.
Felt guilty for not going out. Well, not that guilty. Hung with
the family, went to bed at 12:15.
And you know what? It's 2006 and we all survived!
best
DC
"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>It was cold and sunny, not much wind. It was nice with all the fireworks.
>Had a nice dinner with my family and listened to some good old music, had
a
>lot of fun.
>
>Jorsi
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b85b54$1@linux...
>>
>> So, how was New Years Day in Greenland?
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>>>I've been with you for many years, I got my paris in 98
>>>
>>>Jorsi
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:43b8539f$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year to you too!
>>>>
>>>> Greenland. wow. I did not know there were any Paris users there.
>>>>
>>>> If this is your first time here, let me say welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote:
>>>>>Happy New Year to all from Greenland.
>>>>>Jorsi
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@spamdickclark.org> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>news:43b6feb0$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You Ozzies are probably sleeping it off already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here in SoCal, it's a good time to stay off the freeways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, psst, no one in NYC actually goes to Times Square; it's all
>>>>>> tourists from Jersey!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To each and every one of you, may your new year be filled with
>>>>>> happiness, better music, and even better recordings!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Hey Deej, did you get "Patches"?
Have fun last night?
DCI just set up my network connections between both my DAWs. They are seeing
each other's HD's and I have unrestricted sharing set. However, I can't
transfer files from my Paris DAW anymore. For some reason, even though the
folders are set up for sharing, the sub directories and the folders within
these subdirectories have somehow been set to where I have to go into every
subdirectory level and set each folder to share. This machine is running
Windows ME. I have literally hundreds of subdirectories and sub-sub
directories within my main directories. How could this happen? Prior to
hooking up this new DAW, I just set my main directories to share on both
machines and I could shuttle stuff back and forth all day long. The current
situation sucks most seriously..........(sigh)..........what else can
happen????.......wait.........don't answer that!!!!I'm fairly sure it's too late, but, anyway, we were recording a gaming
session (long story) using PARIS and the game ran around 5 hours. We went
to dinner, I forgot to stop the recording, and only much later looked at the
screen to see an assertion error at 6 hrs, 45 minutes into it. I clicked
the acknowledging button and then was shocked to see no file at all had been
written, and no apparent hidden file that I could tell was anywhere. Anyone
know any way to recover this, if at all possible?This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Rendering Cubase SX files for PARIS importYou just select a track go to =
file/import and import the file, you might have to make it a wav track =
from paris first or run wavelab and make the paf file a wav file.
Dan
"Craig Mitchell" <camitchell@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message =
news:BFD78E8B.17CA0%camitchell@cfl.rr.com...
My drummer has a new Cubase SX based DAW and I'd like to clarify how =
to render a track so I can import it into my PARIS system.=20
We can import files fine (example - unedited files like continuous =
drum tracks)=20
However, looking through the Cubase manual, I have not seen the PARIS =
equivalent to "Rendering a Track" so I can import small sections such as =
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What are the steps in Cubase SX to do this?
Many thanks!
Craig M
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drummer has a new Cubase SX based DAW and I'd like to clarify how to =
render a=20
track so I can import it into my PARIS system. <BR><BR>We can import =
files=20
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<BR><BR>However,=20
looking through the Cubase manual, I have not seen the PARIS =
equivalent to=20
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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C60F5F.21742F50--Oh man I feel your pain and wish I could help. Other than saving the game
before clicking on the assertion message I can't help.
Did you check the folder where the record path was set to?
Have you shut down your computer?
Hopefully one of our more computer savey guys will chime in with some good
news
Don
"zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote in message
news:43b8dab7$1@linux...
> I'm fairly sure it's too late, but, anyway, we were recording a gaming
> session (long story) using PARIS and the game ran around 5 hours. We went
> to dinner, I forgot to stop the recording, and only much later looked at
> the
> screen to see an assertion error at 6 hrs, 45 minutes into it. I clicked
> the acknowledging button and then was shocked to see no file at all had
> been
> written, and no apparent hidden file that I could tell was anywhere.
> Anyone
> know any way to recover this, if at all possible?
>
>check the folder "in windows" that you set the record path to.
I'll bet it's there. If it is, open a new project and add the audio file.
Rod
"zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote:
>I'm fairly sure it's too late, but, anyway, we were recording a gaming
>session (long story) using PARIS and the game ran around 5 hours. We went
>to dinner, I forgot to stop the recording, and only much later looked at
the
>screen to see an assertion error at 6 hrs, 45 minutes into it. I clicked
>the acknowledging button and then was shocked to see no file at all had
been
>written, and no apparent hidden file that I could tell was anywhere. Anyone
>know any way to recover this, if at all possible?
>
>Vegas is a very good option for anyone used to audio apps - IMHO, it is much
more intuitive than Avid, Edius, etc, with a similar workflow to native DAWs
(easy to click, drag, fade, crossfade, clips etc - this requires a key/mouse
combination in most other NLE's). Premiere is is a great program, but is
finicky about system config (i.e. I don't recommend installing it on the
same system as an audio app like Cubase, etc, but it can work). Vegas can
sync to MTC.
FCP is great if you are on a Mac, but I find Vegas' workflow faster (I have
it on my Nuendo system and just switch back and forth at will). That said,
Vegas approach is different than the standard Avid approach (which IMHO, is
convoluted and poorly thought out, unless you like mulitple key commands for
every action) so if your goal is to be ready to work in other production
houses editing, Avid Express might be a good idea to learn, then use Vegas
for actual work. I'm writing a review of it for Audiomidi.com right now as
well as using it for a documentary and several other projects - the review
probably won't be online until February though.
Regards,
Dedricas wrong as this sounds, all the horse farmers I know (alot) have used
the equine version of the vaccine on themselves, often with their vet's
assistance, with no side effects. gotta get the dose right though. they
all firmly believe that if it won't kill a horse it will be okay for
humans, moreso that if it's tested in mice etc.
Can$0.02
DJ wrote:
> It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but
> there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from
> this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and
> are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and
> having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong
> constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few
> days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No
> self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about
> my wife.
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>>
> wrote in message news:43b6f6fb@linux...
> Deej,
> I hope you're wrong.
> Tom
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net
> <mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net>> wrote in message
> news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
> I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and
> that. There are
> dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds are
> year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt
> these little
> critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die
> off.......either that or
> our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major
> predator, but
> this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen
> at this time
> of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the
> infection can
> lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health
> department.
>ME does NOT play nice with NT/2000/XP for networking. You may want to
look at going back to 98SE instead as this is way more network friendly.
David.
DJ wrote:
> I just set up my network connections between both my DAWs. They are seeing
> each other's HD's and I have unrestricted sharing set. However, I can't
> transfer files from my Paris DAW anymore. For some reason, even though the
> folders are set up for sharing, the sub directories and the folders within
> these subdirectories have somehow been set to where I have to go into every
> subdirectory level and set each folder to share. This machine is running
> Windows ME. I have literally hundreds of subdirectories and sub-sub
> directories within my main directories. How could this happen? Prior to
> hooking up this new DAW, I just set my main directories to share on both
> machines and I could shuttle stuff back and forth all day long. The current
> situation sucks most seriously..........(sigh)..........what else can
> happen????.......wait.........don't answer that!!!!
>
>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users. I mainly
use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such. Anyway,
I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked the levels
of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through all the
other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader individually.
My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning there
is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another words,
I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them all
down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same time
without doing them individually?
Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected by this.
In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason. There
may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured it out.
I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that learning
process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording, mixing....
thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up or down.
For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused channel
move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This brings
down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were, normalize
to 10.)
Edna
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>
> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users. I
mainly
> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
Anyway,
> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked the
levels
> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through all the
> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
individually.
> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
there
> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
words,
> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them all
> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same time
> without doing them individually?
>
> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected by
this.
> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
There
> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured it out.
> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that learning
> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
mixing....
> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!What's strange about this is that it was workig perfectly with my other DAW.
I hven't made any changes at all to any settings on the Paris DAW running
ME.
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:43b952b4$1@linux...
> ME does NOT play nice with NT/2000/XP for networking. You may want to
> look at going back to 98SE instead as this is way more network friendly.
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
> > I just set up my network connections between both my DAWs. They are
seeing
> > each other's HD's and I have unrestricted sharing set. However, I can't
> > transfer files from my Paris DAW anymore. For some reason, even though
the
> > folders are set up for sharing, the sub directories and the folders
within
> > these subdirectories have somehow been set to where I have to go into
every
> > subdirectory level and set each folder to share. This machine is running
> > Windows ME. I have literally hundreds of subdirectories and sub-sub
> > directories within my main directories. How could this happen? Prior to
> > hooking up this new DAW, I just set my main directories to share on both
> > machines and I could shuttle stuff back and forth all day long. The
current
> > situation sucks most seriously..........(sigh)..........what else can
> > happen????.......wait.........don't answer that!!!!
> >
> >Hmmmm..........I'll have to ask our vet about this.
;o)
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43b94c5c@linux...
> as wrong as this sounds, all the horse farmers I know (alot) have used
> the equine version of the vaccine on themselves, often with their vet's
> assistance, with no side effects. gotta get the dose right though. they
> all firmly believe that if it won't kill a horse it will be okay for
> humans, moreso that if it's tested in mice etc.
>
> Can$0.02
>
> DJ wrote:
>
> > It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but
> > there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from
> > this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and
> > are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and
> > having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong
> > constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few
> > days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No
> > self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about
> > my wife.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>>
> > wrote in message news:43b6f6fb@linux...
> > Deej,
> > I hope you're wrong.
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net
> > <mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net>> wrote in message
> > news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
> > I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and
> > that. There are
> > dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds
are
> > year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt
> > these little
> > critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die
> > off.......either that or
> > our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major
> > predator, but
> > this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen
> > at this time
> > of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the
> > infection can
> > lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health
> > department.
> >Our networking guys for the office shudder everytime they hear "ME"...
we actually had to remove ME from all our office machines because
they were so unstable with the new network we installed recently.
David.
DJ wrote:
> What's strange about this is that it was workig perfectly with my other DAW.
> I hven't made any changes at all to any settings on the Paris DAW running
> ME.
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:43b952b4$1@linux...
>
>>ME does NOT play nice with NT/2000/XP for networking. You may want to
>>look at going back to 98SE instead as this is way more network friendly.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>>I just set up my network connections between both my DAWs. They are
>
> seeing
>
>>>each other's HD's and I have unrestricted sharing set. However, I can't
>>>transfer files from my Paris DAW anymore. For some reason, even though
>
> the
>
>>>folders are set up for sharing, the sub directories and the folders
>
> within
>
>>>these subdirectories have somehow been set to where I have to go into
>
> every
>
>>>subdirectory level and set each folder to share. This machine is running
>>>Windows ME. I have literally hundreds of subdirectories and sub-sub
>>>directories within my main directories. How could this happen? Prior to
>>>hooking up this new DAW, I just set my main directories to share on both
>>>machines and I could shuttle stuff back and forth all day long. The
>
> current
>
>>>situation sucks most seriously..........(sigh)..........what else can
>>>happen????.......wait.........don't answer that!!!!
>>>
>>>
>
>
>Unfortunately nothing of the musical variety. I've promised myself I won't
buy another studio toy until I actually sit down and write a song. Up until
now its all been electronic instrumental tunes, but its time to get back to
the singer song-writer thing. Anyhoo, we got an Xbox. Not the 360, but the
"old" one. I've been out of the vid game arena for awhile, so its been fun.
If you're into this sort of thing I highly recommend Splinter Cell, amazing
graphics. And, we just got a new internet connection. Finally AOL will be
sent back to the dark place from which it came.
Peace
MR
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43b1820d$1@linux...
> Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got any
> new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
> Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's
and
> a D6! Yahoo!
>
> Anyone else get some good studio goodies?
>
> Tony
>
>Thanks Gene.. I can't beleive Steinberg did not implement this routing feature.
I do have Giga, so, I'll give it a try..
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Happy New Year!!
>>
>>Question: I have a separrate Vst/Giga PC..Fine
>> How dow is use XS Or V-Stacks to route out(FX) into Paris or
any
>>other Daw?
>
>V-Stack has no provision for bringing in external audio although I have
used
>Wormhole to cheat this.
>If you have a GSIF2 compliant soundcard, you can send audio to Giga and
use
>the impulse reverb and other plugs.
>I use ADAT optical connections between DAWS to do this most of the time.
>Gene
>I was offered one but I'm a bit skiddish, though with the way the WNV is
making it's appearance around here i'll probably go for it. we live on a
lake with some areas of protected shoreline that breed skeeters like mad.
DJ wrote:
>Hmmmm..........I'll have to ask our vet about this.
>
>;o)
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43b94c5c@linux...
>
>
>>as wrong as this sounds, all the horse farmers I know (alot) have used
>>the equine version of the vaccine on themselves, often with their vet's
>>assistance, with no side effects. gotta get the dose right though. they
>>all firmly believe that if it won't kill a horse it will be okay for
>>humans, moreso that if it's tested in mice etc.
>>
>>Can$0.02
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but
>>>there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from
>>>this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and
>>>are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and
>>>having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong
>>>constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few
>>>days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No
>>>self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about
>>>my wife.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>>
>>> wrote in message news:43b6f6fb@linux...
>>> Deej,
>>> I hope you're wrong.
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net
>>> <mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net>> wrote in message
>>> news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
>>> I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and
>>> that. There are
>>> dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds
>>>
>>>
>are
>
>
>>> year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt
>>> these little
>>> critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die
>>> off.......either that or
>>> our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major
>>> predator, but
>>> this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen
>>> at this time
>>> of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the
>>> infection can
>>> lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health
>>> department.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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with an Ibanez Gem with a rock mirror finish. Gotta say, of all the axes
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