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| Re: Guitar players..If you don't get this, you know what! [message #92783 is a reply to message #92782] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 12:18   |
TCB
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gt;> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 7d
>>>>>>>>>>>> a84ca
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not good...
>Wow. You even disagree that you don't know my race? You disagree that we
agree about the problems
with corporate greed? that education needs improvement? You did say *all*
of my points....
No, Lamont, we don't have a divided nation. We have a nation increasingly
filled with people (of all races) unwilling
to take responsibility for improving it by working together, putting
differences aside, not waiting for someone else
to do it for them (McDonalds' syndrome); People not willing to look past
their own baggage, prejudices, and perception of "the man", regardless of
cultural background, to seek a positive solution; People not willing to
recognize ill-placed pride and instead carry an a
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| Re: Guitar players..If you don't get this, you know what! [message #92786 is a reply to message #92783] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 11:32 |
Jamie K
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>>homework, or listening in class. Granted not all schools have great
>>teachers, but all schools have students that don't try. Sorry, but you
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>>won't get any sympathy by claiming that the "pull yourself up" mentality
> is
>>wrong and a "white man's" point of view. See my previous paragraph for
> the
>>reasons why.
>>
>>2 - you said: "But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work
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>>". People, companys,farmers,this
>> country needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you
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>>will."
>>
>>Therein lies the problem - "have expected handouts". Any program that
>>gives
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>>handouts on a regular basis
>>with no effective method of turning that handout into a basis for an
>>individual to work on their own just creates a dependancy
>>rather than true effective change. Like I said, helping each other is one
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>>of the best things we can do
>>with our time and resources, but creating dependancy on handouts is
>>dangerous. We all need help from time to
>>time, and as a society I agree - the balance of wealth is dangerously
>>skewed
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>>in many areas: artist, entertainers, and sports stars
>>are at the top of my list, yet that's one area most people are happy to
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>>spend money on without a second thought of that imbalance, regardless of
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>>their economic capabilities. No need to talk about corporate greed -
>>we're
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>>on the same
>>page there, but I think your view that "Those Billionairs love to keep us
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>>scabbling and blaming, pointing fingers,
>> while they continue to rape us of what little monies we try to save.."
> is
>>about is victim minded as I've heard.
>>Really Lamont, if you feel that oppressed by corporate America, just buy
>
>>Japanese and Chinese. ;-) It's easier
>>than buying American. ;-)
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| Re: Guitar players..If you don't get this, you know what! [message #92798 is a reply to message #92797] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 13:59 |
Jamie K
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br />
>>>>>>>> would all object to,
>>>>>>>> but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>>>>>>>> politics" makes them racist
>>>>>>>> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may
> well
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because it is failing
>>>>>>>> to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution,
>>> but
>>>>>>>> keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>>>>>>>> Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are
>>>>>>>> significantly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company)
>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> change the education system from the inside out,
>>>>>>>> starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools
>>> across
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the US have an average
>>>>>>>> of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level?
>>> That's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> basic reading and math - 80%
>>>>>>>> are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level,
> but
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lower than realistic level.
>>>>>>>> I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad
> the
>>>>>>>> education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>>>>>>>> Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from
>>>>>>>> schools
>>>>>>>&
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| Re: Guitar players..If you don't get this, you know what! [message #92802 is a reply to message #92798] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 16:05 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
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e US back to 1940 on race
>>>>>>>>>> relations?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did not catch that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in
>>>>>>>>>> addressing
>>>>>>>>>> problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree
>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be
>>> racial,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may
> or
>>> may
>>>>>>>>>> not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the
>>> code
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When
>>>>>>>>>>> interviews
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> Russert,
>>>>>>>>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on
>>> about
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then
>>>>>>>>>>> "cracked"..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things
>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to
> take
>>>>>>>>>>> America
>>>>>>>>>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good.
>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Guitar players..If you don't get this, you know what! [message #92805 is a reply to message #92802] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 15:29 |
Jamie K
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it's
>>>> not the Govs money. It's our. So, we the people have a right to choose
>> how
>>>> to spend it. Helping people in need is Trait from God. He (God) does
>>>> not
>>>> turn his back on us when we ar e in need, so why are to turn a blind
>>>> eye
>>>> to someone who is?
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention, Corp bailouts all in name ad cause of "good for the
>>>> economy"..Oh
>>>> Yeah, what about all those who have been and are facing foreclosure..
>>
>>>> Should
>>>> we not help them?
>>>>
>>>> You are speweing right-wing libritarian nonsense that keeps us poor
>>>> folks
>>>> arguing over "scraps".Meanwhile the rich just keep getting richer and
>>
>>>> richer.
>>>> And all your types do is look at a brand or group of folks to blame it
>>
>>>> on..
>>>>
>>>> It's all about the 'Distribution Of Wealth". $$$$ Nothing more, nothing
>>
>>>> less.
>>>> Those Billionairs love to keep us scabbling and blaming, pointing
>>>> fingers,
>>>> while they continue to rape us of what little monies we try to save..
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are rich, you have no right to "fight/debate a richman's
>>>> fight".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Lamont, don't take offense to this, but your post sounds as racist and
>>>>> prejudiced as I've heard, and certainly in the context that it is
>>>>> directed
>>>>> at me. I'm not going to get into this further as it's going nowhere
>>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>>> don't have any interest in sharing my personal life experiences online
>>
>>>>> (that
>>>>> would have to be over coffee in person - perhaps we'll have a chance
>>>>> someday), but trust me when I say, when referring to me as "typical
>>>>> white
>>>>> man" or "your hero Ron Reagan" you have no idea what you are talking
>>>>> about.
>>>>> None. You are judging me without knowing me or any facts whatsoever.
>>>>> That's
>>>>> shortsighted at best, racist at worst - not an accusation, just an
>>>>> observation. Again, no personal offense intended at all - just hoping
>> you
>>>>> can see the reality of how your words and point of view come across.
>> It's
>>>>> hard to gain sympathy for a problem you may face if you treat others
>>>>> the
>>>>> same wa
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| Re: Guitar players..If you don't get this, you know what! [message #92814 is a reply to message #92805] |
Fri, 16 November 2007 20:51 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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>>>>>>> I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>> RP's
>>>>>>>>> views on race personally (and
>>>>>>>>> neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have
>>>>>>>>> views
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> would all object to,
>>>>>>>>> but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole
>>>>>>>>> boy
>>>>>>>>> politics" makes them racist
>>>>>>>>> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may
>> well
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> because it is failing
>>>>>>>>> to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution,
>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>>>>>>>>> Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are
>>>>>>>>> significantly
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company)
>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> change the education system from the inside out,
>>>>>>>>> starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools
>>>> across
>>>>>>>>> the US have an average
>>>>>>>>> of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level?
>>>> That's
>>>>>>>>> basic reading and math - 80%
>>>>>>>>> are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level,
>> but
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> lower than realistic level.
>>>>>>>>> I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad
>> the
>>>>>>>>> education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>>>>>>>>> Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from
>>>>>>>>> schools
>>>>>>>>> systems, not political parties.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless
>>>>>>>>> teachers,
>>>>>>>>> community leaders and parents
>>>>>>>>> look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning.
>>>> No,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> a public problem that
>>>>>>>>> "we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
>>>>>>>>> responsibility on the students for just
>>>>>>>>> not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't
>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> someone want to learn. To
>>>>>>>>> the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's
>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>> aims
>>>>>>>>> to correct learning problems
>>>>>>>>> that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he
>>>>>>>>> estimates
>>>>>> 20
>>>>>>>>> years to work through the
>>>>>>>>> red tape and establishment that is the current public school
>>>>>>>>&g
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