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| MIDI Hell [message #55135] |
Fri, 01 July 2005 13:56  |
Colonel Panic
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how these stereotypes come up and
> > especially, how they nicely grow, completely undisturbed
> > by anything that resembles reality. you know squat about
> > my country, period. its ridiculous. yet you believe
> > you can judge my country, where i, who probably knows a
> > couple hundred times more about YOU
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55168 is a reply to message #55162] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 07:20  |
Colonel Panic
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.........crow is
warming in the oven. I'll check this out and try to keep an open mind.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
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> I know you guys kinda shoot the messenger regarding PBS... but seriously
my
> dad is as hardcore conservative as it gets, and he's never once disagreed
> with any reporting done by PBS.
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> "Pulling" Building 7
> A PBS documentary about the 9/11/01 attack, America Rebuilds, features an
> interview with the leaseholder of the destroyed WTC complex, Larry
> Silverstein. In it, the elderly developer makes the following statement:
>
> I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander,
> telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the
> fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the
smartest
> thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we
watched
> the building collapse.
>
> T
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55169 is a reply to message #55168] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 07:39 |
Deej [3]
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his statement seems to suggest that the FDNY decided to demolish the
> building in accordance with Silverstein's suggestion, since the phrase
"pull
> it" in this context apparently means to demolish the building. This
> interpretation is supported by a statement by a Ground Zero worker in the
> same documentary:
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> ... we're getting ready to pull the building six.
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> Building 6 was one of the badly damaged low-rise buildings in the WTC
> complex that had to be demolished as part of the cleanup operation.
>
> An alternative interpretation of Silverstein's statement is that "pull it"
> refers to withdrawing firefighters from the building. However, according
to
> FEMA's report there were no manual firefighting operations in Building 7,
so
> there would not have been any firefighters to "pull".
>
> That Silverstein would admit that officials intentionally demolished
> Building 7 is bizarre for a number of reasons. Silverstein Properties Inc.
> had already won an $861 million claim for the loss of the building in a
> terrorist incident. FEMA's report states that the cause of building's
> collapse was fires. Presumably FEMA and the insurance company would be
> interested in knowing if the building was instead demolished by the FDNY.
> Moreover, the logistics of rigging a skyscraper for demolition in the
space
> of a few hours would be daunting to say the least, particularly given that
> demolition teams would have to work around fires and smoke.
>
> A third explanation is less obvious but makes sense of the non-sequiturs
in
> the above explanations: perhaps Silverstein's statement was calculated to
> confuse the issue of what actually happened to Building 7. By suggesting
> that it was demolished by the FDNY as a safety measure, it provides an
> alternative to the only logical explanation -- that it was rigged for
> demolition before the attack. The absurdity of the FDNY implementing a
plan
> to "pull" Building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11/01 will escape most people,
> who neither grasp the technical complexity of engineering the controlled
> demolition of a skyscraper, nor its contradiction with FEMA's account of
the
> collapse, nor the thorough illlegality of such an operation. Thus the idea
> that officials
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55170 is a reply to message #55168] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 08:33 |
Mike Audet
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decided to "pull" Building 7 after the attack serves as a
> distraction from the inescapable logic that the building's demolition was
> planned in advance of the attack, and was therefore part of an inside job
to
> destroy the entire WTC complex.
>
>All of this is addressed in the PM article. Read it.
DC
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>I know you guys kinda shoot the messenger regarding PBS... but seriously
my
>dad is as hardcore conservative as it gets, and he's never once disagreed
>with any reporting done by PBS.
>
>"Pulling" Building 7
>A PBS documentary about the 9/11/01 attack, America Rebuilds, features an
>interview with the leaseholder of the destroyed WTC complex, Larry
>Silverstein. In it, the elderly developer makes the following statement:
>
> I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander,
>telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the
>fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest
>thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched
>the building collapse.
>
>This statement seems to suggest that the FDNY decided to demolish the
>building in accordance with Silverstein's suggestion, since the phrase "pull
>it" in this context apparently means to demolish the building. This
>interpretation is supported by a statement by a Ground Zero worker in the
>same documentary:
>
> ... we're getting ready to pull the building six.
>
>Building 6 was one of the badly damaged low-rise buildings in the WTC
>complex that had to be demolished as part of the cleanup operation.
>
>An alternative interpretation of Silverstein's statement is that "pull it"
>refers to withdrawing firefighters from the building. However, according
to
>FEMA's report there were no manual firefighting operations in Building 7,
so
>there would not have been any firefighters to "pull".
>
>That Silverstein would admit that officials intentionally demolished
>Building 7 is bizarre for a number of reasons. Silverstein Properties Inc.
>had already won an $861 million claim for the loss of the building in
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55172 is a reply to message #55170] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 10:02 |
Mike Audet
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the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support
> the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling
> debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found
> was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building
> 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center
> and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth
> of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously
> undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
>
> Response: Where are the photos that prove 25% of Building 7 was scooped
> out? The photos published in reports, and those available on me Internet
> do not show anything other than trivial damage, such as some broken
> windows.
>
> Tom Franklin, a professional photographer for a New Jersey newspaper,
> traveled quickly to the World Trade Center to get photographs. According
> to his own report, he was standing in front of Building 7 at about 4 p.m..
> He took lots of photos, but where are his photos of Building 7? Why would
> he ignore a skyscraper with 25% of its first 10 floors scooped out?
> -----------
> PM: NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe
> structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact
> proportion requires more research.
>
> Response: Where is evidence that there was an intense fire in Building 7?
> The photos taken in the afternoon do not show intense fires. Just because
> a few investigators believe something, that does not make it true. They
> need evidence to support their beliefs.
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> PM: Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no
> firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was
> fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency
> generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a
> generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement
> via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is
> that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long
> period of time."
>
> Response: How can a fire burn for seven hours without spreading to other
> offices or other floors? Perhaps some diesel fuel was dripping from a
> supply pipe. Since the fire was small, and since the building had a steel
> frame with concrete floors, the fire could not travel to other offices. So
> how could such an insignificant fire bring down an entire skyscraper?
>
>Well..........hummmm........deisel fuel is probably the least explosive of
all liquid petroleum products so it doesn't react like
gasoline.............this might explain this...........and might not.
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55174 is a reply to message #55169] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 11:44 |
Colonel Panic
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loors scooped out?
> -----------
> PM: NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe
> structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact
> proportion requires more research.
>
> Response: Where is evidence that there was an intense fire in Building 7?
> The photos taken in the afternoon do not show intense fires. Just because
a
> few investigators believe something, that does not make it true. They need
> evidence to support their beliefs.
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> PM: Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no
> firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was
fed
> by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency
generators.
> Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on
the
> fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a
pressurized
> line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this
pressurized
> line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."
>
> Response: How can a fire burn for seven hours without spreading to other
> offices or other floors? Perhaps some diesel fuel was dripping from a
supply
> pipe. Since the fire was small, and since the building had a steel frame
> with concrete floors, the fire could not travel to other offices. So how
> could such an insignificant fire bring down an entire skyscraper?
>
>"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>heres a decent pic of the facade of WTC7. It looks like about 1% of the
>face is damaged.
Are you sure that pic isn't the conspiracy? If that's showing a
damaged WTC-7, and was taken on that day, then why are the
streets so empty? Where are all the people & rescue vehcles, etc?
You sure that pic doesn't haepen to be one taken earlier time &
then Photoshopped??
Seriosuly - I was hoping to see something interesting there, but
the complete absence of any activity on the streets makes me
think it can't be 9/11.
Neilits a reasonable question, but something tells me you're just being a
comedian again.
Everyone ran away and everything is covered in that nasty dust.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d81296$1@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>heres a decent pic of the facade of WTC7. It looks like about 1% of the
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>>face is damaged.
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> Are you sure that pic isn't the conspiracy? If that's showing a
> damaged WTC-7, and was taken on that day, then why are the
> streets so empty? Where are all the people & rescue vehcles, etc?
>
> You sure that pic doesn't haepen to be one taken earlier time &
> then Photoshopped??
>
> Seriosuly - I was hoping to see something interesting there, but
> the complete absence of any activity on the streets makes me
> think it can't be 9/11.
>
> Neil
>Closest I've ever come to being able to control what a woman does.
;o)
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55175 is a reply to message #55172] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 11:46 |
Colonel Panic
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k181gvqprrle@4ax.com...
> damn, if she just doesn't remind me of a girl i never knew. i do
> remember bouncing like that during a couple of mult-story falls as a
> carpenter...but eventually i hit the ground and stopped bouncing.
>
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:45:11 -0600, "Mr Simplicity"
> <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
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> >http://www.izpitera.ru/lj/tetka.swf
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> >
> >"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >news:42d7f51c@linux...
> >> Thank Aaron for this.
> >>
> >> ;o)
> >>
> >>
> >
>nice I found a close up and another one that corroborates the earlier pic.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>Fair enough if thats what you believe. I mean personally I watched Bowling
>for Columbine and I thought it was incredibly balanced.
It wasn't. For whatever reason, that guy cannot tell the truth.
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/
DC"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d81631$1@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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>>Fair enough if thats what you believe. I mean personally I watched
>>Bowling
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>>for Columbine and I thought it was incredibly balanced.
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> It wasn't. For whatever reason, that guy cannot tell the truth.
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> http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
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> http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/
I dunno... I dont have any animosity to MM personally, or anyone for that
matter. Theres literally no journalist or whatever that I would call out
by name and say they're 100% full of shite."justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>none of these are my words... just a published 'debunking' of the popular
>mechanics article:
Unfortunately, this material diputes the PM article, but does not
debunk it because it contains no evidence, only speculation.
I believe the structural guys. The bottom line with conspiracies
is that there is no way to ever convince the believers that there was
no conspiracy. This goes for Kennedy, Lincoln, WTC7 and the
Illuminati, and you name it. You have to believe someone.
I believe the structural engineers.
have a great weekend.
DCI noticed you stopped responding substansially a few posts ago...
I believe the structural engineers too.
Still waiting for those photos amigo.
"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d81dde$1@linux...
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55177 is a reply to message #55174] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 13:53 |
Deej [3]
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t; <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d822c4$1@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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>>Regarding evidence, it is an alternate view OF the evidence.
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> Actually it's mostly speculation about the size of tanks and
> the rate of leaks and what a fire could do. The facts are available
> unless they believe that everyone is covering up.
The PM article and the response article share the same evidence."justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>The PM article and the response article share the same evidence.
then why didn't the reposnse article get the details about the fuel oil?
Where it was, how much, where the impacts were, the size of the fire, the
way the design of the building affected the collapse etc.
I realize I have an advantage here, knowing someone who was
there and knows the details, but I don't they they did their
homework before postulating a coverup and conspiracy.
DC"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d8258c@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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>>The PM article and the response article share the same evidence.
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> then why didn't the reposnse article get the details about the fuel oil?
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> Where it was, how much, where the impacts were, the size of the fire, the
> way the design of the building affected the collapse etc.
Those details are all in the FEMA report which both articles reference.
> I realize I have an advantage here, knowing someone who was
> there and knows the details, but I don't they they did their
> homework before postulating a coverup and conspiracy.
I'm not looking for a magazine article DC... I'm looking for proof.
I actually read that article in PM when it came out, and only recently
tossed that issue in the trash."justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>I dunno... I dont have any animosity to MM personally, or anyone for that
>matter. Theres literally no journalist or whatever that I would call out
>by name and say they're 100% full of shite.
You know, you're right. I read the book of "Roger and Me" and
thought it was about 30% not full of shit. So, cumulatively, adding
in his most recent work and averaging, Moore is only 93.4%
full of shit.
DC"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d82613$1@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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>>I dunno... I dont have any animosity to MM personally, or anyone for that
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>>matter. Theres literally no journalist or whatever that I would call out
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>>by name and say they're 100% full of shite.
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> You know, you're right. I read the book of "Roger and Me" and
> thought it was about 30% not full of shit. So, cumulatively, adding
> in his most recent work and averaging, Moore is only 93.4%
> full of shit.
Kinda like the PM article is only 15% full of shit.
Then again I guess one mans shit is another mans perspective.>one mans shit is another mans perspective.
Now that is a classic. If that is original, you should tag it to your online
signature. It would also make a great website.
;oD
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55179 is a reply to message #55175] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 14:22 |
Mike Audet
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arget="_blank">http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855
I don't buy that the most protected airspace on earth allowed hijacked airliners
to freely fly around for an hour.
I don't buy that the secret service didn’t know that there wasn't a hijacked
airplane headed to the school in an attempt to assassinate Bush because
he stayed there for an hour and a half after being told "America is under
attack.
I don't believe for a second that every scientific report that said that
the Boing 757 that "liquefied" after entering the first 18" of concrete at
the Pentagon still had enough structural integrity to go through another
7 feet concrete when passing through the another seven walls. Furthermore,
if you believe that, then you would have to believe that the heaviest densest
parts of the airplane the two engines and the two landing gears would have
left two exit holes not one.
I don't buy for a second that Bush had nothing to hide when he took 411 days
to form the 911 commission or that he was hiding anything when agreed to
testify in front of the commission only if Cheney was with him and no notes
or recordings would be made.
I do believe that the Project for a New American Century, the think tank
headed by Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, Pearl and Jeb Bush, Saw a unique
opportunity when they wrote before Bush had been elected that"
" “...the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change,
is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event
- like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/PNAC_10 1
I think it’s a sad day in America when people have to use an article published
in a magazine to answer questions that the 911 commission avoided.
Yes, the theory that the government fed to Americans is the LEAST reasonable
explanation to the events of 9/11. I and those in the 9/11 truth movement
want an independent commission formed so we can get some real answers. What
does the Bush administration have to fear from the truth?
-WesIf you want to start getting educated on the subject of 9/11.
Watch or listen to Christian theologian David ray Griffins lecture at the
University of Wisconsin (broadcast on C-SPAN) here:
http://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-release-of-griffin- in-madison.html
Also check out "911 in plane site" and the BBC production "The power of nightmares"
here:
http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/index.php?module=pagema ster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=22Is this WTC7 thing compatable with PCI 2.2? :0)
....he frivolously posted while rocking to Steve Earle's "The Revolution
Starts NOW!"
".....in your own neighborhood." - Steve Earle"Wes" <wexus6@aol.com> wrote:
>Yes, the theory that the government fed to Americans is the LEAST reasonable
>explanation to the events of 9/11. I and those in the 9/11 truth movement
>want an independent commission formed so we can get some real answers. What
>does the Bush administration have to fear from the truth?
>-Wes
Whew. Ok, whatever you say man. This is how we all sounded
when JFK was killed. Now we are a lot calmer. You will be too
someday. Conspiracies are fun though, aren't they?
have a great weekend
DC http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002382718_h orse15m.htmlThanks, but I couldn't possibly use it. It's not my creation. Somehow it
just seems so conclusive and profound........like the discovery of some
elusive basic truth.
;o)
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> Its all yours boss... :)
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
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> > >one mans shit is another mans perspective.
> >
> > Now that is a classic. If that is original, you should tag it to your
> > online
> > signature. It would also make a great website.
> >
> > ;oD
> >
> > "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
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Sat, 02 July 2005 14:25 |
Mike Audet
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their own civil war
> that
>> was overupheating from the south with South Carolina in front, when
> Abraham
>> Lincoln was being President in 1860. The American nation was splitted in
> two
>> in those days with 11 states in the southern part and the rest in the
>> norhern part, as far as I can remember in my readings about America. But
>> I
>> think most of the Americans are knowing these badly story very well.
>> As far as I can understand in readings and seeing, the human feelings
>> haven't changed much since then in north and south, after observe what's
>> happening in the last two president votings.
>> As Dejj wrote about the observations to the indians, I can see a nation
>> of
>> different nations that really have big problems with trusting each other
>> after a long history-background. from their real homecountries that they
>> have travelled from. So maybe it's really understandable with their
>> "shoot
>> first, then ask" menthality that's often showing up. The real American
>> are
>> nearly nonexistencional(what a word, I don't know if it's correct written
> at
>> all) in America, as far as I can understand but I'm seeing Dejj have
> learned
>> to do some observations from them about the "new" Americans, that's just
>> seems to be German, French, Scandinavian etc. etc.
>> So, as far as I can understand, the only real Americans are the indians.
>>
>> Hmm, I'm thinking too much when doing too much observations, it can be
>> dangerous when thinking so much too much:-) But never mind, I have had my
>> life, but our children and grandchildren shall take over the heredity and
>> environment from us in the coming world. So I mean it's well worth to do
>> something for them too, so maybe they can have real trust to other
>> nations
>> too, for a better future.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>>
>> derek" <derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:42d758ac$1@linux...
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>> > "DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote:
>> >>So, do you think that Rabin had any more hope of success with these
>> >>people than did Clinton or anyone else?
>> >
>> >
>> > yes, absolutely. talk about it all as you will, rabin remains
>> > the ONLY person to ever effectively reduce the terror plague down
>> > there. you obviously missed the part where i stressed
>> > that i do acknowledge that both approaches, both the
>> > deescalation
>> > one and the brute force one can lead to success.
>> > thats what i wrote. nothing about cowboys or some such,
>> > thats only the stuff you projected into my words, because
>> > im a (insert yet another dumbass euro stereotype here).
>> >
>> >
>> > so, yes, i do acknowledge that both roads can lead to success.
>> > do you? it appears you dont, so whos the dogmatic type here?
>> >
>> >
>> >>No it doesn't, or it would have worked with Hussein, Kim Il Sung,
>> >>Hitler and the Branch Davidians. You are not allowing for insanity
>> >>and evil in the world and you are assuming that a rational person's
>> >>version of a more attractive situation will always be accepted.
>> >
>> >
>> > from a palaestinian point of view, israel is the aggressor
>> > that took their land. they dont have the military power,
>> > so they go the terror route. being the frakkingeuropacifistidiotdude
> that
>> > i am, i despise that
>> > just as much, so id prefer it if you dont switch between
>> > calling me a blind pacifist one moment and then a guy
>> > that doesnt criticize palaestina (and thus somewhat supports the use of
>> > terror),
>> > whatever fits the best.
>> >
>> > from their point of view, theyre actually doing exactly
>> > the same thing - use brute force. they dont have planes,
>> > so they use suicide bombers. if you were on their side,
>> > its what you would recommend. and if the enemy threatened to
>> > use more power, youd recommend that the enemy gets a
>> > demonstration of your force.
>> >
>> > somewhere in there lies a fundamental, unsolvable problem.
>> > throw in a ticking clock (islamic countries getting the bomb
>> > sooner or later, whether you want it or not),
>> > and look again at the one guy that at the very least came
>> > close to peace down there - ooooh it was that deescalation
>> > dude. what a coincidence.
>> >
>> > im not saying its the ultimate solution. i find pretending
>> > to have absolute solutions (a very popular practice here,
>> > or so it seems) rather silly. im trying to have a civiliced
>> > discussion about the possible different paths to a solution,
>> > if there is one at all. i can ackownledge and talk about
>> > both approaches, you seem to struggle with that part
>> > and fall back into europe-is-so-whatever rants, which,
>> > btw, are no better than george-bush-is-pure-evil bullshit.
>> > its kindergarden. no thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>And what could you possibly dislike about the present Israeli
>> >>leadership? Draggin settlers out by the scruff of the neck,
>> >>responding to the worst terrorism with measured and rational
>> >>responses, and showing great restraint.
>> >
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55183 is a reply to message #55182] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 14:30 |
Mike Audet
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>> >
>> > yeah, as i said, they went back to 0, so i completely
>> > agree with you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> See, this is the problem
>> >>with europe. In your arrogance, because of living in a land that
>> >>cannot envision war,
>> >
>> >
>> > blah...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> you assume all violence is failure
>> >
>> >
>> > i repeatedly said the exact opposite but nevermind. rant on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> and that
>> >>there must be a way to negotiate and finess this stuff.
>> >>Suppose there isn't?
>> >
>> >
>> > i did. its why im interested in this discussion.
>> > a childish "i know 100% percent im right" attitude
>> > isnt exactly helping, but at least in parts your
>> > post gets over the standard stereotype attitude. it seems to
>> > help that i repeatedly write about the things i dont
>> > think, even though it doesnt fit into your arrogant euro pacifist
> drawer:
>> >
>> >
>> > - i acknowledge the use of force as concept to end a conflict.
>> > it often is the most peaceful way to go.
>> > - i acknowledge the use of force as concept to end a conflict.
>> > it often is the most peaceful way to go.
>> > - i acknowledge the use of force as concept to end a conflict.
>> > it often is the most peaceful way to go.
>> > - i acknowledge the use of force as concept to end a conflict.
>> > it often is the most peaceful way to go.
>> >
>> > - i dont blindly believe that everything on this world can be
>> > negotiated
>> > - i dont blindly believe that everything on this world can be
>> > negotiated
>> > - i dont blindly believe that everything on this world can be
>> > negotiated
>> > - i dont blindly believe that everything on this world can be
>> > negotiated
>> >
>> > - im not here because of some anti-US agenda. i have family
>> > in the US, have been there many times and like it here.
>> > im only interested in a civiliced discussion about the
>> > several approaches (yes i dare to believe there are several
>> > approaches, because of the fact that theres a not too bad
>> > track record of deescalation in history)
>> > - im not here because of some anti-US agenda. i have family
>> > in the US, have been there many times and like it here.
>> > im only interested in a civiliced discussion about the
>> > several approaches (yes i dare to believe there are several
>> > approaches, because of the fact that theres a not too bad
>> > track record of deescalation in history)
>> > - im not here because of some anti-US agenda. i have family
>> > in the US, have been there many times and like it here.
>> > im only interested in a civiliced discussion about the
>> > several approaches (yes i dare to believe there are several
>> > approaches, because of the fact that theres a not too bad
>> > track record of deescalation in history)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> You haven't convinced me that Rabin could
>> >>have pulled it off.
>> >
>> >
>> > i didnt expect to. heck, i dont know it myself.
>> >
>> >
>> >>Here's how the palestinians could have peace in a week:
>> >>
>> >>Go Ghandi on them. Sit down, inb the streets, renounce violence
> forever.
>> >>Ask the world for justice. They would get their demands in a week
>> >>or less, and if israel didn't like it, the american people would force
> it
>> >>on them by witholding any more aid.
>> >
>> >
>> > yes. too bad it wouldnt work because their religious
>> > fanatic idiots. theres a reason why i talked so much
>> > about the good timing of rabin. you gotta force religious
>> > idiots into their own good. too bad the timing wasnt quite
>> > right and a handful of steps at a time was still to
>> > extreme of a dialog for some extremist idiots. it
>> > wasnt even an islamic extremist idiot but a jewish one
>> > who ultimatively destroyed it all - but it could very
>> > well have been one.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Why do you euros never demand a DAMN THING from the
>> >>arabs and the palestinians, you hypocritical, arrogant fools?
>> >
>> >
>> > oh we never demand a damn thing from the arabs?
>> > thats funny. usually, especially where i live, its a tradition
>> > to not ask anything from israel (obvious reason being
>> > germanys history, were simply in no position to ask *anything*
>> > from them). maybe you should study the people you want
>> > to call hypocritical arrogant fools a little more before
>> > you go ahead with it.
>> >
>> > but ive had enough of the stereotype discussion. suit yourself
>> > and bathe in your stupid clichees if it makes you feel
>> > any better.
>> >
>> >
>> >>Why do you not rise up in horror and demand that these acts stop?
>> >>Answer this one Derek, if you can.
>> >
>> >
>> > oh, we do. we do. you just dont notice, cause you only
>> > notice what fits into the dumb black and white picture you
>> > have of us.
>> >
>> >
>> >>Instead you speak of "root causes" and criticize Bush. It's wrong,
>> >>and
>> >>foolish.
>> >
>> >
>> > i dont know what a "root cause" is. i know i definetly
>> > didnt come here to criticize bush. i think i said so about
>> > a dozen times.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>I cannot support the euro position on this, because I NEVER hear
>> >>any demands for change, or criticism of moslems coming from
>> >>europe. Just of the jews and america. Until I see otherwise,
>> >>we must stay the course.
>> >
>> >
>> > see, one problem is that i can watch almost all US TV stations
>> > and buy, read and understand almost all US press. so i can
>> > regularly get an idea about whats going on in the US, and
>> > germans usually are very interested in that, cause, despite
>> > the current arguments, germany still looks up to the US.
>> > its
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55186 is a reply to message #55183] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 15:21 |
Colonel Panic
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t;> > the quote where i said that i always see it as a failure.
>> > either that or maybe you might want to actually stop it
>> > and apologize. its really getting boring to repeat
>> > and
>> > repeat and repeat and repeat it, with no effect.
>> > i have the feeling youre not talking to me but to
>> > some imaginary "The Europe Dude" that you made up for
>> > yourself to argue against.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> do not expect us to listen since you care more for your
>> >>ideology than you apparently care for our lives.
>> >
>> >
>> > i do care only about the lives. at several points i
>> > pointed out how i believe we all want the same (among
>> > other things i mentioned this as reason why i dont belong
>> > to the george-bush-is-evil-group). i do find the
>> > ideal way to this common goal open for debate.
>> > you obviously disagree on this one. its a little weird
>> > why you would enter a debate about it anyway then. is it
>> > just to spank my ideologic european ass?
>> >
>> >
>> >>"Peace process" what a f**king joke that term is. It is the words
>> >>that ideologues use to comfort themselves in the face of not only
>> >>failure, but the continuing loss of innocent lives.
>> >
>> >
>> > its a term rabin, a man that i admire, used himself,
>> > so ill leave the name calling to you. one could argue
>> > that the times where the terror was at an all time low
>> > saved lots of lives, but whatever.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>Tell you what. You tell me that you would take a knife, and jam it
>> >>in the back of the next ghoul with a bomb, and you say thanks
>> >>to the soldiers who have saved so many lives, and we'll talk about
>> >>"peace processes".
>> >
>> >
>> > heres some more for you so that you can get a picture
>> > thats more accurate than what you currently believe to
>> > be the typical euro or whatever. i beg you, please READ
>> > what i say now:
>> >
>> > oh yes, as things are, i would stab a knife in that guys back.
>> > its what the current situation asks for.
>> >
>> > read it? ok, so i can get a little more into detail:
>> >
>> > but it doesnt end there. i just stabbed the guy in the back.
>> > what about the next guy? and the one after him? whats the
>> > best way to avoid a neverending "guys with bombs" supply.
>> > are there, god forbid, several possible approaches? is
>> > it worth a discussion? cause, it would be unfair to
>> > the soldiers to make them do this all the time while
>> > we dont do anything for it to ever change.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Until you allow for the full range of responses,
>> >>you are acting as an advocate for them.
>> >
>> >
>> > theres someone not ready for the "full range of responses"
>> > here, but it aint me.
>> >
>> >
>> >>So, if you could get a "peace process" going while he was at the
>> >>peak of his powers, it might have succeeded? What? Until when,
>> >>the following thursday?
>> >
>> >
>> > in the right tempo to draw all religious fanatic idiots
>> > on all sides (repeat: ALL sides. that includes the moslems!
>> > do you hear me!) with them.
>> >
>> >
>> >>His greed and corruption would have
>> >>eventually toppled him and your peace process.
>> >
>> >
>> > youre confusing things here, its what actually got him
>> > to participate. and boy did it help him. it turned him
>> > from an internationally sought after outlaw into
>> > a somewhat respected politician, probably making him
>> > richer than he ever dreamt of in the process. you tell
>> > me that guy wanted to go back into tunnel system terrorist
>> > mode? never. man is too selfish and greedy for that.
>> >
>> >
>> >>Do you really believe that hamas and hizbullah would not have
>> >>formed if Arafat had made a deal with Rabin??
>> >
>> >
>> > they had already formed. the difference was, arafat had them
>> > under control and as long as he came home with results
>> > from the peace process, he had the people in his back.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>And why are they able to do this? Is it not the actions of the
>> >>palestinians and the arabs?
>> >
>> >
>> > why yes of course it is (see above).
>> >
>> >
>> >> An american
>> >>president who did not force them to accept peace in this scenario
>> >>would be voted out or even impeached.
>> >
>> >
>> > this is not where the conflict lies. the conflict, unfortunately,
>> > lies in the religious aspects. i for one am pretty sure
>> > that there would have been some sort of agreement
>> > down there long ago, if only all this shitty land and
>> > these shitty cities werent as "sacred" as they supposedly are.
>> > as i said i dont have the ultimate solution. i just dont
>> > believe you have it either, and comparing the track
>> > record or the different approaches down there, im inclined
>> > to believe that the brute force method, which worked other
>> > times, doesnt seem to work this time.
>> >
>> > and that is an important discussion because it also
>> > is a discussion about "how do you fight a fundamentalist
>> > that doesnt fear death", about "is there a way to
>> > get along with the islam", about "how do you go to
>> > war with something as abstract as terror". yes, i do believe
>> > this is the most important conflict to be solved and that
>> > it could serve as role model for the same conflict were
>> > having (or going to have) on a much bigger global scale.
>> >
>> > im worried about that. no wait, im sitting on my euro
>> > ass waiting for everything to explode first, and then
>> > ill think about it, cause thats how we arrogant euro
>> > assholes are? right?
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> >
>> >>You criticize Bush, but he blasts Israel every single time they
>> >>respond to terrorism as we have. What hypocrisy!
>> >
>> >
>> > yeah, it would be if i would criticize bush for not criticizing
>> > israel. of course i nowhere said that. again, youre kindly
>> > invited to come up with a quote.
>> >
>> > or wait, maybe you misunderstood this one:
>> >
>> >> the US dont reign over israel - theyll
>> >>>do what THEY think is best for them.
>> >
>> >
>> > with "they" i of course mean israel. my very point was
>> > that bush can criticize them all he wants (and he does),
>> > but they dont respond much to that, and thats i sad irony
>> > that so much of the arabic hatred towards israel comes
>> > from the overestimated power the US supposedly has on
>> > israel.
>> >
>> >
>> >>So we eliminate leaders that sponsor terrorism, and provide hiding
>> >>places for them, we kill them, without mercy, wherever we can find,
>> >>them, and we spread modernity and democracy, and we stay at
>> >>it until we win.
>> >
>> >
>> > yes thats your approach. it sometimes worked in the
>> > past, sometimes it
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| Re: MIDI Hell [message #55187 is a reply to message #55186] |
Sat, 02 July 2005 15:33 |
Deej [3]
Messages: 181
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didnt. just like deescalation.
>> > theres no perfect solution that automatically is the
>> > best solution at all times.
>> >
>> >
>> >> I believe this is the only solution and that negotiation
>> >>is impossible with islamofascists.
>> >
>> >
>> > and i say youre focusing on the wrong thing, this is just not
>> > enough. getting rid of islamofascists (or fascists of
>> > any kind, for that matter) is one thing. brute force seems
>> > the best way for that. trying to avoid that such fascists
>> > gain power on a regular basis in the future is, imo, the maybe
>> > even more important goal. diplomacy, holding oneself to
>> > the high standards we used to at least pretend to have, that
>> > kind of stuff seems like the more promising way to go for
>> > that (unless you want to tell me that you believe that the
>> > very concept of diplomacy is at fault).
>> >
>> > the problem is that solution nr.1 is the direct opposite
>> > of solution number nr.2. theres room for improvement here.
>> > at least thats what i think, when i look at israel, or,
>> > to use another example for a change, afghanistan, where
>> > my selfish country does the dirty laundry for you without
>> > you noticing because its not in the news.
>> >
>> >
>> >>And what do you offer in place of this accursed religion?
>> >>Darwin? Pacifism? An enlightened social contract between
>> >>free moral people? Think these things will sell to the
>> >>islamofascists?
>> >>Me neither. These are weak ideas and subject to the opinions of
> whoever
>> >>offers them.
>> >>Meaningless phrases full of intent, signifying nothing.
>> >
>> >
>> > just like institutionalized religion, really. only difference
>> > being that is has a much cleaner historical track record.
>> > but im not about to even start hoping that there will be
>> > a significant change here anytime soon, cause im not
>> > religious about that either. this is a change that comes
>> > over time, separation of religion and politics...
>> > it seemed to get better in the second half of the
>> > last century. currently it seems to get worse again.
>> > oh well.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>Perhaps they do not serve God at all. Perhaps at minimum they
>> >>have perverted Islam? Your hatred of religion will not offer an
>> >>alternative.
>> >
>> >
>> > no hatred. a very cynical distance though, yes, definetly.
>> > i did say a few words about personal belief on the one
>> > hand on huge monotheistic religious institutions on the other hand and
>> > whether
>> > the latter is any good for this planet.
>> > you can go back and read it if youre interested, but i guess
>> > for now its enough. and now ill go to bed. all that
>> > non-non-judgementalism has make me tired. maybe i secrectly am a
>> > politically correct euro hypocrite after all, but im
>> > doing my best ;-)
>>
>>
>
>Pleazzzzzzzzze Don, Jef is heating up in his writings here but again, take
away his heating, read his stuff with an OPEN mind, try to find out real
documents about his writings, not only what some of you American wish to
hear. Go out and study his facts, if it's true or not, before serving that
it's all lies. I think you will be really shocked to find out that Jefs
writings here is very correct. You see, I can stand behind him with the same
observations in documentations. But to fight with windmills can be very
frustated, so I think it's really understandable when Jef is heating up
here.
erlilo
"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> skrev i en meddelelse news:42d808a6$1@linux...
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> First, let me say that, you acting superior while posting a
> pack of lies is bad enough, but, your calling people names is
> unacceptable.
>
>
> "Jef Knight" <"Jef Knight"> wrote:
>
>>The idea that you should keep killing "them" before they kill you is is
>
>>pretty sociopathic I think.
>
> Thanks for the analysis. Sure it isn't bipolar, or perhaps paranoid
> schizophrenic, or maybe just ADD?
>
> Them is the enemy, not the shopkeepers. The suicide bombers,
> the foreign terrorists, the state sponsors of terrorism. They are
> knowable, and they are killable.
>
>
>>Please remember a few important things about
>>the "war".
>
> Oh, this will be good. I know it will be real informed with "so"
> "many" "ironic" "quotes"....
>
>
>>Let's start with "them". The dehumanizing of others is an important
>>diagnostic point in the evalutation of pathological personality
>>disorders. Underlying this is the idea that one is not harming a
>>"person" but a "thing" or "non-person". It allows the ego to remain
>>intact while performing otherwise unthinkable actions.
>
>
> You obviously do not know any soldiers. Despite understanding
> that the ghouls must be killed, and understanding that they are
> indeed, ghouls, our soldiers pay a terrible price for doing the
> unthinkable, precisely because they are not able to completely
> depersonalize them. Only to have you call them pathological...
>
> Pathetic. And of course, the actions of the ghouls are not
> pathogical in Jef-land at all, They are understandable, maybe even
> noble! Maybe they are even like the minutmen!
>
>
>>But who are "them"?. For the most part they are normal, everyday
>>famillies like yours and mine. Shop keepers, TV reparimen, gas station
>>attendants, secretaries....who only want to live freely, in peace,
>
> BWAA HAHH AHHA HHHHAAAA!
>
> Oh that's good. Do you screenwrite for Michael Moore?
>
> They are foreigners who come into places like Fallujah and kill
> anyone who looks like they may desire freedom, take over the
> neighborhood, and rule by terror. Iraqis are even rising up and
> killing them now. They are also diehard baathists who want a
> return to the good ole days of rape rooms and plastic shredders.
>
>
>>The US has done more harm in this region, to the people and their
>>country, than Saddam ever could have.
>
> BULLSHIT. I guess you forgot about the entire familes, little
> kids and all, buried in the 300,000 person mass graves.
>
> I get it, you are a Saddam supporter. Ok, at least we know where
> you are coming from now. When you tell egregious lies like the
> one above, you lose all credibility.
>
>>The US, in it's quest for
>>middle-east domination vis-a-vis their oil supply, has turned a thriving
>
>>people (albeit with nasty leadership) into an empoverished, toxic
>>waistland.
>
> This is so stupid and dishonest it isn't even worth rebutting.
>
> It's too easy. OIl? We didn't steal their oil in 91 and we are not
> doing so now. Liar.
>
>
>>And for you who can't see the forest for the trees, let me make the
>>fairly-fucking-clear observation that if you have a natural resourse
>>that someone else wants and they decide to come and get it from you by
>>force (the Chinese could do this) You will be labeled "insurgents" and
>>you wives and children will suddenly become "enemy combatants".
>
>
> Well, it seems that "foreigners" and "former baathists" otherwise
> known as "corrupt" "murdering" "shitheads" who want to keep
> the old regime in place, might qualify as "insurgents", especially
> since they prefer the regime of the old murdering, raping, corrupt
> leader to actual democracy.
>
> Jef, you have very little ethics do you?
>
>
>>Wake up you collective heads of knuckle. What the hell do you think's
>>going on over there? It's people deffending their land, their homes and
>
>>their lives from - Foreign Invaders! Fuck me, how dumb do you have to be
>
>>not to get this not-to-fucking-subtle point? If the shoe were on the
>>other foot you would react no differently.
>
>
> Unfortunately it's all "not so fucking subtle" lies. The folks with the
> homes, with the families and shops and businesses all had purple
> fingers a few months ago, and have more character than "you"
> will ever "dream" of having.
>
>
>>One of you nazis, don't remember who, said in another thread that they
>>thought it was "them" who were doing the bombing, not "us". Just as a
>>reminder, the US has been bombing Iraq into a god-forsaken moonscape
>>since '89. Over 500,000 children have died since then as a direct
>>consequence of US military, oh-so-compassionate, action.
>
>
> More lies. Those deaths are a result of your friend Saddam using
> oil-for-food money to build palaces instead of food for his own
> people. His trial i
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Sat, 02 July 2005 16:30 |
Mike Audet
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t themselves, the cattle and the
>> creeping things; and some madeth it and some didn't; and the dogs
>> ate the dinosaurs and God was pleased.
>>16
>> And God took the bones from the dinosaurs, and caused them to appear
>> mighty old; and cast he them about the land and the sea. And he took
>> every tiny creature that had not madeth it, and caused them to
>> become fossils; and cast he them about likewise.
>>17
>> And just to put matters beyond the valley of the shadow of a doubt
>> God created carbon dating. And this is the origin of species.
>>18
>> And in the Evening of the day which was Thursday, God saw that he
>> had put in another good day's work.
>>19
>> And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness,
>> which is tall and well-formed and pale of hue: and let us also make
>> monkeys, which resembleth us not in any wise, but are short and
>> ill-formed and hairy. And God added, Let man have dominion over the
>> monkeys and the fowl of the air and every speices, endangered or
>> otherwise.
>>20
>> So God created Man in His own image; tall and well-formed and pale
>> of hue created He him, and nothing at all like the monkeys.
>>21
>> And God said, Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which
>> is upon the face of the earth. But ye shalt not smoketh it, lest it
>> giveth you ideas.
>>22
>> And to every beast of the earth and every fowl of the air I have
>> given also every green herb, and to them it shall be for meat. But
>> they shall be for you. And the Lord God your Host suggesteth that
>> the flesh of cattle goeth well with that of the fin and the claw;
>> thus shall Surf be wedded unto Turf.
>>23
>> And God saw everything he had made, and he saw that it was very
>> good; and God said, It just goes to show Me what the private sector
>> can accomplish. With a lot of fool regulations this could have taken
>> billions of years.
>>24
>> And the evening of the fifth day, which had been the roughest day
>> yet, God said, Thank me it's Friday. And God made the weekend.
>>
>>
>> Chapter 2
>>
>>1
>> Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all in five days,
>> and all less than six thousand years ago; and if thou believest it
>> not, in a sling shalt thou find thy hindermost quarters
>>2
>> Likewise God took the dust of the ground, and the slime of the Sea
>> and the scum of the earth and formed Man therefrom; and breathed the
>> breath of life right in his face. And he became Free to Choose.
>>3
>> And God made a Marketplace eastward of Eden, in which the man was
>> free to play. And this was the Free Play of the Marketplace.
>>4
>> And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow four trees: the Tree
>> of Life, and the Liberty Tree, and the Pursuit of Happiness Tree,
>> and the Tree of the Knowledge of Sex.
>>5
>> And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, This is my Law, which is
>> called the Law of Supply and Demand. Investeth thou in the trees of
>> Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, and thou shalt make for
>> thyself a fortune. For what fruit thou eatest not, that thou mayest
>> sell, and with the seeds thereof expand thy operations.
>>6
>> But the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Sex, thou mayest no
>> eat; nor mayest thou invest therein, nor profit thereby nor expand
>> its operations; for that is a mighty waste of seed.
>>7
>> And the man was exceeding glad. But he asked the LORD God: Who then
>> shall labor in this Marketplace? For I am no management, being tall
>> and well-formed and pale of hue?
>>8
>> And the LORD God said unto himself, Verily, this kid hath the
>> potential which is Executive.
>>9
>> And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field
>> and every fowl of the air, and brought them unto Adam to labor for
>> him. And they labored for peanuts.
>>10
>> Then Adam was again exceeding glad. But he spake once more unto the
>> LORD God, saying, Lo, I am free to play in the Marketplace of the
>> LORD, and have cheap labor in plenty; but to whom shall I sell my
>> surplus fruit and realize a fortune thereby?
>>11
>> And the LORD God said unto himself, Verily, this is an Live One.
>>12
>> And he caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he took from him
>> one of his ribs, which was an spare rib.
>>13
>> And the spare rib which the LORD God had taken from the man, made he
>> woman. And he brought her unto the man, saying:
>>14
>> This is Woman and she shall purchase your fruit; and ye shall
>> realize a fortune thereby. For Man produceth and Woman consumeth,
>> wherefore she shall be called the consumer.
>>15
>> And they were both decently clad, the Man and the Woman, from the
>> neck even unto the ankles, so they were not ashamed.
>>
>>
>> Chapter 3
>>
>>1
>> Now the snake in the grass was more permissive than any beast of the
>> field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Why
>> has thou accepted this lowly and submissive role? For art thou not
>> human, even as the man is human?
>>2
>> And the woman said unto the snake in the grass, the LORD God hath
>> ordained that I am placed under the man, and must do whatsoever he
>> telleth me to do; for is he not the Man?
>>3
>> But the snake in the grass laughed an cunning laugh, and said unto
>> the woman, Is it not right and just that thou shouldst fulfill thy
>> potential? For art thou not comely in thy flesh, even as the man is
>> comely in his flesh?
>>4
>> And the woman said, Nay, I know not, for hath not the LORD God clad
>> us decently, from the neck even unto the ankles; and forbidden that
>> we eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Sex?
>>5
>> But the snake in the grass said unto the woman, whispering even into
>> her very ear, saying, Whatsoever feeleth good, do thou it; and
>> believeth thou me, it feeleth good.
>>6
>> And when the woman saw the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of
>> Sex, that it was firm and plump and juicy, she plucked thereof, and
>> sank her teeth therein, and gave also to her husband, and he
>> likewise sank his teeth therein.
>>7
>> And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they saw that they
>> were not naked.
>>8
>> And the woman lossened then Adam's uppermost garment, and he
>> likewise loosened hers; and she loosened his nethermost garment, and
>> the man then loosened her nethermost garment; until they were out of
>> their garments both, and likewise of their minds.
>>9
>> And, lo!, they did dance upon the grass of the ground, and they did
>> rock backward, and roll forward continually;
>>10
>> And as they did rock and roll, the serpent that was cunning did play
>> upon a stringed instrument of music, and did smite his tail upon the
>> ground in an hypnotic rhythm, and he did sing in a voice that was
>> like unto four voices: She loveth you, yea, yea, yea.
>>11
>> And they did both twist and shout, and fall into a frenzy, both the
>> man and the woman, and lay themselves upon the ground, and commit
>> there abominations.
>>12
>> And when they were spent from their abominations, they did take the
>> herb bearing seed, and did roll it and smoke it; and lo! it gaveth
>> them ideas, even as the LORD God had said; and they were like to
>> commit new abominations.
>>13
>> Now the LORD God was walking in the garden in the cool of the day,
>> with his dog; and as Adam and his wife were beginning these new
>> abominations, the LORD God did stub the toe of his foot upon their
>> hindermost quarters.
>>14
>> And the LORD God waxed wroth, and said unto Adam, Wherefore art thou
>> naked? And what is that thou smokest? And why art thou not at thy
>> work? For have I not said that it is the man's part to produce, and
>> the part of the woman to consume whatever he produceth?
>>15
>> And Adam and his wife did look upon one another, and did giggle.
>>16
>> Whereupon the LORD God waxed exceeding wroth, and he said, Hast thou
>> eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not
>> eat?
>>17
>> And the man said, The woman whom you gavest to be with me made me do
>> it.
>>18
>> And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou has
>> done? And the woman said, The snake in the grass made me do it.
>>19
>> And the snake in the grass said, The devil made me do it.
>>20
>> And the LORD God said unto the snake in the grass, Thou art an
>> permissive beast; wherefore art thou cursed to crawl upon they
>> belly, and be made into belts and boots and handbags hereafter.
>>21
>> Unto the woman He said, Since thou has
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Tue, 05 July 2005 21:33 |
Colonel Panic
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