| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71560] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 11:47  |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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>>>>>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the use of force.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not that I'll change your mind, DC, so go ahead and declare
>>>>>>> victory.
>>>>>>>>>>> ;^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great week!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was worth reading if any of you are
> interested.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great Monday!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Unholy Alliance Rolls Over the Pope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Andrew Walden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what has suddenly been made into a highly controversial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech, the day after September 11, at Bavaria’s University
> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regensberg, Pope Benedict describes Christian belief in a
> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose words and acts are bound by reason, truth and the law
> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-contradiction. Benedict contrasts this with Islamic
>>> belief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a God not bound by anything—including his own words.
>>>>> Benedict
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further contrasts Christian belief with that of secular
>>>>> humanists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who see reason as being completely unbound of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In response, both Islamists and secularists have demanded
> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope apologize. Benedict’s speech is a work of enlightened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius. He has clearly laid out the differences between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian culture and Islamic culture and the basis of
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71576 is a reply to message #71560] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 13:46  |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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>> > > > >>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter at all whether this was the Pope. The
>> bottom
>> > > > > line
>> > > > >>> is
>> > > > >>>>>>> that
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> it is rationality as opposed to irrationality.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> > > > >>>>> news:450ec970@linux...
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The Catholic church doesn't speak for Christianity.
>> Certainly
>> > > not
>> > > > >>> for
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Lutherans, and for good reason.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> A Pope criticizing other religions (even other Christian
>> > sects,
>> > > > >>> even
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> other Catholics) is nothing new. Certainly much harsher
>> > things
>> > > > > have
>> > > > >>>>>>> been
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> said about Islam by some (not all) extreme fundamentalist
>> > > > >>> Christians.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> And certainly much harsher things have been said by
>certain
>> > > > >>> extremist
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Islamists about Christianity. The more extremist of both
>> > camps
>> > > > > seem
>> > > > >>>>> to
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> be spoiling to relive the crusades. With some of the
more
>> > power
>> > > > >>>>> hungry
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> ready to endanger civilization by attempting to incite
>> > > religious
>> > > > >>> wars
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> for their own questionable ends.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> It's a vast generalization to say the "the left" or
>> > > "secularists"
>> > > > >>> or
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> even "Christians" are demanding an apology from the Pope.
>I
>> > > think
>> > > > > a
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> whole lot of people think the Pope can say whatever he
>> wants.
>> > > It
>> > > > >>>>>>> doesn't
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> matter to most non-Catholics in the USA and in reality,
>> Papal
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> declarations are ignored by a fair number of Catholics
>> here,
>> > > too.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Obviously some Moslems are upset in some places, but
how
>> deep
>> > > > > does
>> > > > >>>>> that
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> go? When black churches were burning in the USA, it would
>> > have
>> > > > > been
>> > > > >>>>> an
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> exaggeration to blame everyone in the USA for that.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> The fear of reason extends to the Catholic church which
>> only
>> > > very
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> recently apologized for the oppression of Galileo. The
>> church
>> > > > > hung
>> > > > >>> on
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> tenaciously to the dogma of an earth-centered view of
the
>> > > > > universe
>> > > > >>>>>>> while
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> denying the heliocentric theory of Copernicus, which
>> > describes
>> > > > >
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