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| Mic Challenge Answers [message #61216 is a reply to message #61204] |
Mon, 12 December 2005 08:48   |
Morgan
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t;>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to
>>>>>>>32bit
>>>>>
>>>>> floating
>>>>>
>>>>>>>point mixer..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
> and
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>>>>tiresome
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
> from
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
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| Re: Mic Challenge Answers [message #61236 is a reply to message #61219] |
Mon, 12 December 2005 15:33 |
Morgan
Messages: 133
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w.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at
24
> >> >>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the
channel
> >> >has,
> >> >>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
> > channels
> >> >>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get
> >> >>>>>>>this
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>feeling
> >> >>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM
systems
> >> >seem
> >> >>>>to
> >> >>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>I have an XP 2600 barton core running on an Asrock Ks7xe+.
I've used this rig only a few times since new. The asrocks were
around $50 new.
I also have used the ECS K7s5a which has held up well. I went
ahead and performed the chipset modification by pulling off a
insulation taped cooling radiator block and glueing it back into
place with a dash of Artic Silver for effect (this was on the southbridge
chip and prevented overheating). If you are aware, many of the Athlon
cpu chips are shipped with this adhesive tape between the cooling block.
Either of these two mobos are ebay priced reasonable.
Regards,
El Miguel
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43bc01b3@linux...
> Going to get another MB for my barton core 2500+ cpu. The ECS pile I had
> finally expired. Have been looking at possibly ASUS ABIT MSI Shuttle and
> EPOX. I can get a new feature loaded EPOX 8RDA3+ pretty reasonable or
look
> for the others used on ebay - prices in $70 range. Also can pick up a new
> nVidia FX5200 dual head video card cheap, or a MM G450 real cheap. The
> nVidia chipset boards have a litt
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| Re: Mic Challenge Answers [message #61238 is a reply to message #61236] |
Mon, 12 December 2005 17:27 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
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AWs and what's working and what's not.
>> >
>> >>>>>>>Opinions
>> >>>>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how
> dificult
>> > it
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> was
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter
>> >>>>>>>what
>> > i/o
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>> >>>>>>>SX/Nuendo..Where
>> >>>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>> >>>>>>>opinon.
>> >>>>>>>P.S
>> >>>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to
>> >>>>>>>32bit
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> floating
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>point mixer..
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Yukkk,
>> >>>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>> >>>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta
>> >>>>>>>>1010,
>> > and
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>> >>>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>> >>>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>> >>>>>>>>tiresome
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>in
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
>> > from
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>> >>>>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
>> > (the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> full
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>> >&
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| Re: Mic Challenge Answers [message #61239 is a reply to message #61236] |
Mon, 12 December 2005 16:40 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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gt;>>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo,
>> >>>>>>>>(reassembled),
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> it
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>> >>>>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>> >>>>>>>>--
>> >>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>> >>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is
>> >>>>>>>>>quite
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>> >>>>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked
> with
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>one.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>At
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris
>> >>>>>>>>>resolved
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>I'm
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>jef
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at
>> > 24
>> >>>>>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the
> channel
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>has,
>> >>>>>>>>>>including
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| Re: Pin the Tail on the donkey OOPS!! (wrong mic!) [message #61309 is a reply to message #61308] |
Wed, 14 December 2005 07:43 |
Kim W
Messages: 165
Registered: July 2006
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/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
>>>>>>>>assessments
>>>>>>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major
>>>>>>>>release
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gospel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ITB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>>
>>>>>>>>elequent
>>>>>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major
>> pain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand,
>>>>>>>>those
>>>>>>
>>>>>> same
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after
>> 30
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tracks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get
>>>>>>>>lost
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>>
>>>>>>>>intacked,
>>>>>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
>>>>>>>>Paris..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>>>>>>>>discussions
>>>>>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>>
>>>>>>>>Opinions
>>>>>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what
>> i/o
>>>>>>
>>>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>>>>>>>>SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>>>>>>>>opinon.
>>>>>>>>P.S
>>>>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to
>>>>>>>>32bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> floating
>>&g
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| Re: Pin the Tail on the donkey OOPS!! (wrong mic!) [message #61310 is a reply to message #61309] |
Wed, 14 December 2005 07:48 |
cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005
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t;>>>
>>>>>>>>point mixer..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>>>>>tiresome
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
>> from
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
>> (the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> full
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo,
>>>>>>>>>(reassembled),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is
>>>>>>>>>>quite
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>>
>>>>>>>>>>one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris
>>>>>>>>>>resolved
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
&
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| Re: Pin the Tail on the donkey OOPS!! (wrong mic!) [message #61312 is a reply to message #61310] |
Wed, 14 December 2005 08:03 |
Kim W
Messages: 165
Registered: July 2006
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blank"> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at
>> 24
>>>>>>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the
>>>>>>>>>>>channel
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>has,
>>>>>>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get
>>>>>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM
>>>>>>>>>>>systems
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>seem
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>You're wrong. :)
He made what I believe to be a major move to another state and got invovled,
as many cutting edge guys do, with new things and new systems and ways of
doing his job to full potential.
BT as far as I know is still using Paris to sum a native system, and
converted a LOT of higher ranking folks along the way, even PT hardcore
guys, to use Paris at the least to sum their stems.
AA
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bbf7e6@linux...
> Yeah, he and Edmund told us how great it was and then bailed on us. Right?
> Tell me if I'm wrong.
>
> Edna wrote:
>> Curious as to what he moved to from Paris. From what I've read of his
>> older
>> posts, and the fact he made an instructional video, seemed like he was
>> pretty happy with Paris.
>> Edna
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43bbf0ce@linux...
>>
>>>Maybe that was the problem. I think the man BrianT just wanted a real
>>
>> life,
>>
>>>not only breathing here with his pen, year after year ;-)
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i melding news:43bbc437$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>And after all the things we did for that schmuck...made him the EA he is
>>>>today....sheesh!
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Yhea!
;o)
"Mike Claytor" <yep@yepper.com> wrote in message news:43bc9d5a$1@linux...
>
> I-rovy, huh?
>
> ;0)
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'm absolutely floored by this VSTi. It literally sounds like there is a
> >Steinway D sitting right here in my control room. I'm not a keyboard
player,
> >but this thing may inspire me to go there. I'm flabbergasted!! Another
big
> >surprise was that it's not a huge resource hog as I had expected. It uses
> a
> >lot of RAM, but they warn you about that upfront. As far as CPU usage
goes,
> >it's a pussycat. I've got my RME buffers set at 64k and I'm streaming BFD
> >grooves and simultaneously playing the Bosendorfer mofofromhell piano
with
> >the most sample layers and expression options enabled with the sustain
pedal
> >working overtime and my dual core 64 4200+ CPU is hitting around 8-9%
(with
> >1.35G of RAM being utilized for both VSTi's, Cubase SX and the system.
Glad
> >I've got 4G of RAM though. The 7200 RPM dedica
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| Re: Pin the Tail on the donkey OOPS!! (wrong mic!) [message #61313 is a reply to message #61312] |
Wed, 14 December 2005 08:12 |
cujo
Messages: 285
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ted HD is having no
problems
> >with this at all. I was thinking that I might need to go to a SATA RAID
> >array in order to get this app to function correctly. If you're looking
> for
> >a VSTi piano, this would be one to consider if you've got the rig to
operate
> >it or are considering building a dedicated VSTi box.
> >
> >Man.....this is friggin AWESOME sounding!!!!
> >
> >
>Yeah, avoid that LT man.. cheap hardware, inconsistent volumes across it and
just generally felt shoddy.
I'd take a Behr ADA8000 over it 'any day' to be honest, and it's a whole lot
less money.
Not sure what the current recommend is though bro, I've been out of that
market for a while now and I'd hate to mislead ya.
AA
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:43bc0147$1@linux...
>
> I've got a friend/client who's looking for an 8 channel mic pre that has
> lightpipe/spdif
> outs. He's running a digi 002 rig and wants to bypass the digi A/D stage.
> He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was looking a
> a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some experience with those
> and wasn't that hot on them.
> Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
> Any suggestions?
> TIA
> RodI got Ivory going today also...and echo DJ's sentiment. Sounds great...absolutly
great. I, unfortunatly, don't have a dual core system (I think it's about
1.6 gig, single core amd 64)and 1 gig of ram. It's on the verge of being
OK, but on the higher layer patches, it causes some glitches in the system.
I could probably live with it if it was for me, but I'm hoping to put together
a rig that I can advetise as an alternative to studio's with a real piano,
and right now, I'm afraid my computer isn't quite up to that task. Deej,
I may be calling you in the not to distant future, for some comp building
grocery list tips.
Rod
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm absolutely floored by this VSTi. It literally sounds like there is a
>Steinway D sitting right here in my control room. I'm not a keyboard player,
>but this thing may inspire me to go there. I'm flabbergasted!! Another big
>surprise was that it's not a huge resource hog as I had expected. It uses
a
>lot of RAM, but they warn you about that upfront. As far as CPU usage goes,
>it's a pussycat. I've got my RME buffers set at 64k and I'm streaming BFD
>grooves and simultaneously playing the Bosendorfer mofofromhell piano with
>the most sample layers and expression options enabled with the sustain pedal
>working overtime and my dual core 64 4200+ CPU is hitting around 8-9% (with
>1.35G of RAM being utilized for both VSTi's, Cubase SX and the system. Glad
>I've got 4G of RAM though. The 7200 RPM dedicated HD is having no problems
>with this at all. I was thinking that I might need to go to a SATA RAID
>array in order to get this app to function correctly. If you're looking
for
>a VSTi piano, this would be one to consider if you've got the rig to operate
>it or are considering building a dedicated VSTi box.
>
>Man.....this is friggin AWESOME sounding!!!!
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm absolutely floored by this VSTi. It literally sounds like there is a
>Steinway D sitting right here in my control room. I'm not a keyboard player,
>but this thing may inspire me to go there. I'm flabbergasted!! Another big
>surprise was that it's not a huge resource hog as I had expected. It uses
a
>lot of RAM, but they warn you about that upfront. As far as CPU usage goes,
>it's a pussycat. I've got my RME buffers set at 64k and I'm streaming BFD
>grooves and simultaneously playing the Bosendorfer mofofromhell piano with
>the most sample layers and expression options enabled with the sustain pedal
>working overtime and my dual core 64 4200+ CPU is hitting around 8-9% (with
>1.35G of RAM being utilized for both VSTi's, Cubase SX and the system. Glad
>I've got 4G of RAM though. The 7200 RPM dedicated HD is having no problems
>with this at all. I was thinking that I might need to go to a SATA RAID
>array in order to get this app to function correctly. If you're looking
for
>a VSTi piano, this would be one to consider if you've got the rig to operate
>it or are considering building a dedicated VSTi box.
>
>Man.....this is friggin AWESOME sounding!!!!
>
>
Pianos?....pianos?....We don't need no stinking pianos! ; )
They take up too much room, and you actually have to pay somebody to tune
them; )Pete -
Another alternative is to go the Home Theater route. I find that for
most TV viewing, our 27" TV in the family room is fine (especially
with surround audio attached), but what we really want the big screen
for is movies. This fall, I decided to build a Home Theater in the
basement to accomplish this.
I quickly realized that Plasma, LCD, DLP, CRT, etc, technolgies were
way too expensive for the type of screen I wanted, so I ended up
getting a modest DLP projector (Optoma H31) which is mounted to the
ceiling and projecting down on a 92" screen I built myself out of
floor molding and blackout cloth. This setup takes up a wall in the
basement and provides a true movie theater experience for us.
To handle the sound, I migrat
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