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If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond to=20
the<BR>error<BR>> message on the screen, get to the project =
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save the project<BR>under<BR>> a new name (songV2 or something) =
and the=20
let paris crach, your project<BR>will<BR>> be A OK when you get =
paris=20
back up!<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Edna" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> >Has anyone been able to interpret just what this =
message=20
means? And<BR>> >basically what causes it? I only =
had 8=20
tracks recorded and was working<BR>> on<BR>> >aux effects =
on the=20
piano track which I had copied, delaying the copy,<BR>>=20
>shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. =
After=20
working most<BR>> of<BR>> >the day on the project, this =
error=20
appeared but I wasnt able to save the<BR>> >project and since =
I hadn't=20
remembered to save the project earlier I lost<BR>> it<BR>>=20
>all. Think I will call it a day! :-(<BR>> ><BR>>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C5F972.D7DC1580--"DC" <dc@spamsafari.com> wrote:
> Avoid Firefox 1.5 for OSX. (it's the current release)
Do you have the G4 or G5 optimized versions? Check out the links at the
bottom of this page:
http://www.macintouch.com/firefox.html
--
-Doug
http://www.ParisFAQs.comThat's worth looking into.
Thanks!
I remembered another glitch this morning. One of my banking sites
that always worked fine with it stopped displaying the accounts.
They would load and then poof, disappear. Problem went away
with the older version. I sent Mozilla a report.
DC
"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote:
>"DC" <dc@spamsafari.com> wrote:
>> Avoid Firefox 1.5 for OSX. (it's the current release)
>
>Do you have the G4 or G5 optimized versions? Check out the links at the
>bottom of this page:
>
>http://www.macintouch.com/firefox.html
>
>--
>-Doug
>
>http://www.ParisFAQs.com
>
>Erling, thanks for the info. I'm pulling the trigger:
Epox 9NDA3+ MB
Crucial Ballistix RAM (2x512MB)
AMD X2 3800+
Zalman CNPS9500
Chaintech GeForce 6600GT
Around $750 from newegg.
-Rohde
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:439354d1@linux...
>
> Deej,
>
> I'm using the ASUS A8V-Deluxe with a 7 % overclocked dual core 3800 CPU(49
> degrees Celsius), but not for Paris use. I'm using ATI 3700 graphiccard
> with it and E-MU 1820M audiosystem. No problems at all with the little use
> I have had with audio works on it.
>
> For the Paris system, I'm now using an Epox 9NDA3+ motherboard with a
> 3200+ processor. It couldn't use my Matrox G550 card with it, so I buyed a
> G-Force FX5200 card, to be sure it would work with the nForce3 Ultra
> chipset on the motherboard. I'm using an Artic-Cooling Freezer 64 Pro on
> the processor and a North-Q 400w power supply with a 140 mm super silent
> fan. I must say I was asstonished when I saw the temperature was stable at
> about 42 degrees Celsius on both processor and motherboard when driving
> the system hard. Between the two Paris card it showes about 10-12 degrees
> higher, so the new system is about 10-15 degrees cooler than my old Asus
> A/V600-X board with a 3000+ processor. On the old system I had for the
> most problems wit Paris and WinXP, but on the new system, I havn't had any
> problems at all on both WinME or WinXP after using it a couple of weeks.
> So I'm crossing my fingers that WinXP now will work as WinME allways have
> done for me. So, it seems to be a wonderful system if you're not using
> Matrox graphic cards with it, so Doug, here you're out.
> I have tested both boards with recoding videoes with Nero 7 and the dual
> core system was unbelievable more speedy.
>
> Erling
>
>> Next, I'm going to build another native system. I'm going to need a mobo,
>> RAM and a dual core AMD CPU. I'll be interfacing my audio hardware/UAD-1
>> cards using a Magma 13 slot chassis so I'm not really concerned about the
>> number of PCI slots. One thing I do want to be able to do is to use my
>> two
>> existing Matrox G450's (AGP and PCI) Due to this, I am leaning toward
>> trying
>> the ASUS A8V-Deluxe mobo just because I'm familiar with the quirks of
>> ASUS,
>> I know that one of the PCI slots will be hardwired to the AGP and I know
>> that since the Matrox cards share the same driver, this *should* work
>> nicely
>> with the host card of the Magma using az PCI slot that (hopefully) isn't
>> sharing an IRQ with any other device, or at least benignly with something
>> friendly. I'm also going to be going with at least 2 gig of DDR in this
>> machine.....maybe more. Guess I'll check ASUS' site to see what's
>> recommended.
>>
>> Lastly is the CPU. I want to be able to operate this machine as much as
>> possible at low latencies with VSTi's. I've been eyeing the dual core
>> 3800
>> CPU's because they are the least expensive right now, but skimping will
>> defeat the whole purpose of this upgrade.
>>
>> Is anyone using an AMD dual core CPU system right now? If so, I'd be
>> mighty
>> interested to hear your experiences before I once again descend into
>> computer building hell.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>
>Rohde, couldn't get the dualcore Asus A8V-Deluxe system to work with Paris
in WinXP. I couldn't try WinME, since E-MU 1820M don't have any
Win98/MEdrivers. But for dualcore use with Cubase/Nuendo etc., I believe
Epox 9NDA3+ is a better MB to use than Asus A8V-Deluxe. It seems to have a
better chipset in the nForce Ultra contra VIA K8T800Pro and is using Award
bios setup, so maybe Doug shall think it over what choice he want to do.
Erling
"Rohde Wakefield" <rohde @ iname.com> skrev i melding news:43945f58@linux...
> Erling, thanks for the info. I'm pulling the trigger:
>
> Epox 9NDA3+ MB
> Crucial Ballistix RAM (2x512MB)
> AMD X2 3800+
> Zalman CNPS9500
> Chaintech GeForce 6600GT
>
> Around $750 from newegg.
>
> -Rohde
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:439354d1@linux...
>>
>> Deej,
>>
>> I'm using the ASUS A8V-Deluxe with a 7 % overclocked dual core 3800
>> CPU(49 degrees Celsius), but not for Paris use. I'm using ATI 3700
>> graphiccard with it and E-MU 1820M audiosystem. No problems at all with
>> the little use I have had with audio works on it.
>>
>> For the Paris system, I'm now using an Epox 9NDA3+ motherboard with a
>> 3200+ processor. It couldn't use my Matrox G550 card with it, so I buyed
>> a G-Force FX5200 card, to be sure it would work with the nForce3 Ultra
>> chipset on the motherboard. I'm using an Artic-Cooling Freezer 64 Pro on
>> the processor and a North-Q 400w power supply with a 140 mm super silent
>> fan. I must say I was asstonished when I saw the temperature was stable
>> at about 42 degrees Celsius on both processor and motherboard when
>> driving the system hard. Between the two Paris card it showes about 10-12
>> degrees higher, so the new system is about 10-15 degrees cooler than my
>> old Asus A/V600-X board with a 3000+ processor. On the old system I had
>> for the most problems wit Paris and WinXP, but on the new system, I
>> havn't had any problems at all on both WinME or WinXP after using it a
>> couple of weeks. So I'm crossing my fingers that WinXP now will work as
>> WinME allways have done for me. So, it seems to be a wonderful system if
>> you're not using Matrox graphic cards with it, so Doug, here you're out.
>> I have tested both boards with recoding videoes with Nero 7 and the dual
>> core system was unbelievable more speedy.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>>> Next, I'm going to build another native system. I'm going to need a
>>> mobo,
>>> RAM and a dual core AMD CPU. I'll be interfacing my audio hardware/UAD-1
>>> cards using a Magma 13 slot chassis so I'm not really concerned about
>>> the
>>> number of PCI slots. One thing I do want to be able to do is to use my
>>> two
>>> existing Matrox G450's (AGP and PCI) Due to this, I am leaning toward
>>> trying
>>> the ASUS A8V-Deluxe mobo just because I'm familiar with the quirks of
>>> ASUS,
>>> I know that one of the PCI slots will be hardwired to the AGP and I know
>>> that since the Matrox cards share the same driver, this *should* work
>>> nicely
>>> with the host card of the Magma using az PCI slot that (hopefully) isn't
>>> sharing an IRQ with any other device, or at least benignly with
>>> something
>>> friendly. I'm also going to be going with at least 2 gig of DDR in this
>>> machine.....maybe more. Guess I'll check ASUS' site to see what's
>>> recommended.
>>>
>>> Lastly is the CPU. I want to be able to operate this machine as much as
>>> possible at low latencies with VSTi's. I've been eyeing the dual core
>>> 3800
>>> CPU's because they are the least expensive right now, but skimping will
>>> defeat the whole purpose of this upgrade.
>>>
>>> Is anyone using an AMD dual core CPU system right now? If so, I'd be
>>> mighty
>>> interested to hear your experiences before I once again descend into
>>> computer building hell.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Edna, I just reviewed your question and I see no one really answered the question..
what is it... First, you can do quite a few possible tricks (as some offered),
but not all work perfect. If you had it once, you'll have it again. From
my understanding of computers, programming and using Paris (which I have
gotten the error)... I believe it basically something within the computer
is either going too fast or hardware or visa-vera. I haven't seen what your
settings are... but have you followed any guidelines to editing your paris.cfg
file for the i/o? Another possibility is something *could* be conflicting
and basically hanging when Paris is trying to process... if you don't use
midi, there is a command line to add in the paris.cfg to turn that off.
I don't use midi and make it a habit of putting that in the cfg. The bad
thing about that error is that it is really hard to find the culprit. I would
first make sure that your appropriate settings are in the paris.cfg, of course
be sure your drives are set for DMA, and also be sure to turn off background
services that hog the processor.. such as task scheduler, etc. Hope this
helps and Good luck.... ~ Ed
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Thanks, I will. Well, all was not lost as I had thought. I started a new
>project using the same name and my recorded tracks appeared, only the
>project was lost. 8:)
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43933964@linux...
>> Get Analogx Autosave for Paris.
>>
>> Edna wrote:
>> > Thanks for the tip, hadn't thought of ctrl-s. Yes, I know I need to
do
>> > regular saves and usually do, but got so involved in the excitement
of
>the
>> > project I just forgot. I have to admit, though, I really love Paris!
>> > E
>> >
>> > "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote in message news:4392fecc$1@linux...
>> >
>> >>Too late now, but I have found that sometimes I have more luck just
>> >
>> > hitting
>> >
>> >>ctrl-s, without even touching the project window.
>> >>When you see that HD LED blink, you know you'll be good to go
>> >>the next boot-up. I Always do an incremental save every 15 minutes
>> >>or so. Just add a number after the project name when you do a
>> >>"save as". This gives you the benefit of reviewing your progress,
>> >>and doing reality checks after many hours at mixing.
>> >>
>> >>Kim
>> >>
>> >>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Hi Cujo,
>> >>>Unfortunately, I was not able to save it. Paris would not let me do
>> >>>anything at all until I responded to the error window and then it was
>all
>> >>>gone! I tried to pull up the project window or do anything but it
was
>a
>> >>>hard freeze.
>> >>>Since I only had a single submix going and was only using a couple
>> >
>> > effects
>> >
>> >>>in the aux module on one channel, I was surprised to get this error.
I
>> >>
>> >>have
>> >>
>> >>>a gig of memory and a fast processor as well. I am using XP pro with
>SP1
>> >>>though.
>> >>>Thanks,
>> >>>E
>> >>>
>> >>>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:4392898b$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Hey E,
>> >>>>THis is one of my fave's cause I can actually help.
>> >>>>If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond to
the
>> >>>
>> >>>error
>> >>>
>> >>>>message on the screen, get to the project window and save the project
>> >>>
>> >>>under
>> >>>
>> >>>>a new name (songV2 or something) and the let paris crach, your project
>> >>>
>> >>>will
>> >>>
>> >>>>be A OK when you get paris back up!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Has anyone been able to interpret just what this message means?
And
>> >>>>>basically what causes it? I only had 8 tracks recorded and was
>> >
>> > working
>> >
>> >>>>on
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>aux effects on the piano track which I had copied, delaying the
>copy,
>> >>>>>shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. After working
>> >
>> > most
>> >
>> >>>>of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>the day on the project, this error appeared but I wasnt able to save
>> >>
>> >>the
>> >>
>> >>>>>project and since I hadn't remembered to save the project earlier
I
>> >
>> > lost
>> >
>> >>>>it
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>all. Think I will call it a day! :-(
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>
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Edna,
I really don't have any better answer for you. Control S is your friend =
though.
Maybe you found another Paris bug? Like grabbing too many tracks in the =
editor and changing their lengths together? That one gets me once in a =
while.
Lesson is Control S, Cut all tracks needing editing to the exact same =
length,
Control S, then do the edit, then control S.
I wish I could be of more help. Maybe you do have an issue with Paris =
and your computer.
My assertion failures usually have something related to .dll in their =
title.
Tom
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43944a50@linux...
Thanks. Yes I have a P4, but have HT off. The error message does =
have "cache: 460. . . " in it.(?)
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:4393cad7@linux...
Edna,
By chance are you using a P4 chip? If so make sure
Hyperthreading is turned off in your BIOS. That can really=20
ruin a nice day in Paris.
Tom
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:4392fb60@linux...
Hi Cujo,
Unfortunately, I was not able to save it. Paris would not let me =
do
anything at all until I responded to the error window and then it =
was all
gone! I tried to pull up the project window or do anything but it =
was a
hard freeze.
Since I only had a single submix going and was only using a couple =
effects
in the aux module on one channel, I was surprised to get this =
error. I have
a gig of memory and a fast processor as well. I am using XP pro =
with SP1
though.
Thanks,
E
"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:4392898b$1@linux...
>
>
> Hey E,
> THis is one of my fave's cause I can actually help.
> If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond =
to the
error
> message on the screen, get to the project window and save the =
project
under
> a new name (songV2 or something) and the let paris crach, your =
project
will
> be A OK when you get paris back up!
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >Has anyone been able to interpret just what this message means? =
And
> >basically what causes it? I only had 8 tracks recorded and was =
working
> on
> >aux effects on the piano track which I had copied, delaying =
the copy,
> >shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. After =
working most
> of
> >the day on the project, this error appeared but I wasnt able to =
save the
> >project and since I hadn't remembered to save the project =
earlier I lost
> it
> >all. Think I will call it a day! :-(
> >
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Edna,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really don't have any better answer =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe you found another Paris =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>editor and changing their lengths =
together? =20
That one gets me once in a while.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lesson is Control S, Cut all tracks =
needing editing=20
to the exact same length,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Control S, then do the edit, then =
control=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wish I could be of more help. =
Maybe you do=20
have an issue with Paris and your computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My assertion failures usually have =
something=20
related to .dll in their title.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Edna" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks. Yes I have a P4, but =
have HT=20
off. The error message does have "cache: 460. . . " in=20
it.(?)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Edna,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By chance are you using a P4 =
chip? If so=20
make sure</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hyperthreading is turned off in =
your=20
BIOS. That can really </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ruin a nice </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>day=20
in Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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=
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Cujo,<BR>Unfortunately, I was not able to save it. Paris =
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and=20
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of=20
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SP1<BR>though.<BR>Thanks,<BR>E<BR><BR>"Cujo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
..com</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:4392898b$1@linux">news:4392898b$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
t;<BR>>=20
Hey E,<BR>> THis is one of my fave's cause I can actually =
help.<BR>>=20
If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond to=20
the<BR>error<BR>> message on the screen, get to the project =
window and=20
save the project<BR>under<BR>> a new name (songV2 or something) =
and the=20
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paris=20
back up!<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Edna" <<A=20
=
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wrote:<BR>> >Has anyone been able to interpret just what =
this=20
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it? I=20
only had 8 tracks recorded and was working<BR>> on<BR>> =
>aux=20
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R. After working most<BR>> of<BR>> >the day on the =
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>project and=20
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just sayin hiJUSTCRON !!!!!!!!!!
justcron wrote:
> hey yall
>
> just sayin hi
>
>YO!
;o)
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
news:439483bb@linux...
> hey yall
>
> just sayin hi
>
>Dude!
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>hey yall
>
>just sayin hi
>
>"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>
>I agree completely. OSX was a big left turn, too. That spinning pizza
is
>just completely unacceptable. They crash if they don't have enough ram.
>They're extremely slow compared to a PC (which will change when they use
>PC chips). And, they are very expensive for what the hardware and software
>are really worth.
>
>They had a really nice, simple, clean OS with OS8-9. They saved a lot of
>money not having to develop an OS from the ground up by going with UNIX,
>but they lost most of what made Apple wonderful and unique, too.
>
>Just my 2 cents. :)
>
>Mike
>
Mike, what you should do, is actually us Mac OSX for some time before commenting
on it. It is obvious to me, that you are repeating the same ignorant stuff
some other ignorant PC user told you, or you read in a PC biased article.
What is unbelievable is the ignorance PC users have about the Mac, and the
fact that they perpetuate the same ignorant bull shit. A lot of PC users
talk about the Mac like they know what they're talking about, when in fact,
they have no idea what they are talking about!
Go use a Mac G5 with OSX everyday for a year, then you'd have the right and
knowledge to tell people that the Mac sucks, but, that isn't what you'd be
saying. I don't think you would give up your XP box right away because there
would be some proprietary software you wouldn't want to give up, although
you could run XP on your Mac. What would happen is you would end up using
your Mac for 90% of your computing, and you would start to think that XP
is more of a PITA to use.
Why would you use a Mac over your PC??? Because it is hassle free computing,
it's fast and it just works! It is a more pleasurable experience. You don't
have to be a security administrator, worms and other viruses are not so much
an issue. Pop ups, spy-ware, are not much of an issue either. You don't
have to tweak and fuss with your computer to get it to work. PC guys are
constantly trouble shooting and tweaking their computers. It is amazing
to me that there is supposed to be standardized hardware for a PC, but a
lot of it doesn't work with out trouble shooting, that is such a hassle.
The amount of buggy software sold retail for the PC amazes me. All the
B.S. PC users must put up without much complaint, simply amazes me. A lot
of time is lost on trying to debug and get PCs to work. For the most part,
the hassle factor doesn't exist with a Mac.
A Mac, works differently than a PC, once you understand how a Mac works,
then you will understand why Mac users are somewhat fanatical. I'll put
it this way, Mac users are fanatical about their Macs, because they've used
PCs, and know a Mac is better. I personally use both platforms and have
for years. I use XP and 2000 for what I have to, and I use a Mac for the
other 80% of my computing. The Mac is simply less headaches. It is less
time consuming, and time is money. PC users always talk about how much cheaper
a PC is than a Mac because of the hardware cost. It's not cheaper when you
figure in time, the time to build, administrate, trouble shoot, bug fix,
down load drivers and patches. You guy's talk about band-aids and patches,
Microsoft software has more holes in it than a sieve.
When PC users start Mac bashing, Mac users just shake their heads, we've
heard the lies for so long we usually have to just turn and walk away. The
guys that are brain washed are zealot PC users that repeat old bull shit
about how Mac suck, and Macs can't do this and that. Some people have their
heads so far up Bill Gates ass they can't see strait. Please don't repeat
the same dumb stuff! Find out for your self, and I'm not talking about trying
out a mac at a store or library, either.
Mike you say Mac OSX crashes, that is pure bullshit! You say, Macs are extremely
slow compared to a PC, More dumb bullshit! Not even close to the truth!
Your talking out your back side. Mike, honestly, you wouldn't know what
the software on a Mac is worth, because you don't use a Mac. You say that
OSX was a left turn, if Apple ever releases a version of OSX for PC, you
will see major erosion in the Windoz market share by general computer users,
because it's better than Windoz!
As for the four processor in the new G5s and software not being able to utilize
the four processors, more ignorance. Mac OSX was written so that the processing
load of a program is distributed across all four processors. It is not
necessary to run software that is optimized for multi processors to take
advantage of multi processors on a Mac. Although there are plenty of programs
on the Mac platform that are optimized for multi processors. You really
should read up on these things!
As for the Pizza box (Beach Ball) spinning, if you where a Mac user you would
under stand what this means and what to do. First, on Windows it is the
hour glass, same thing on a Mac only it is a spinning beach ball. On a windows
machine you would get an error message saying " The program is not responding
" and you would go through the dialog boxes and quit the program. On a Mac
when you get a spinning beach ball you would do a force quit, to quit a program
that was not responding. It's the same as on a PC, but you are going to
say the Mac sucks, when in fact you don't understand how it works. It doesn't
suck, your just ignorant about it.
The Mac bashing gets old, especially when some one is speaking from a point
of ignorance, but acts as if they are an expert on the subject. Some here
have comparing Mac OS9 on an old machine to Windows XP on the latest machine
is not a fair comparison, either.
If your a PC user, and you don't ever want to know about a Mac fine. You
can stick your head in the sand or up Bill Gates ass or whatever, stay ignorant
if you want, but don't bash the Mac until you have honestly used a new Mac
with OSX for a year or more.Wait a month for MacWorld, new, faster cheaper, is just around the corner!
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hmmmm....and I was just fixing to buy me a Powerbook....
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:43926a77$1@linux...
>> My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to
>crap
>> out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
>>
>> Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
>> bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
>> with such a passion ...........
>>
>> anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Ah, yes, that time of year hath arrived once again. The Meredith Music Festival
looms on the horizon like the coastline of a tropical beach after a storm
has passed.
Unfortunately resident house band Comba La Revelacion seem to be missing
from the bill this year, for the first year ever as far as I'm aware. Hmph.
My prime concern is, without them, how will I know when to start having fun???
;o)
But the tents are being dusted off, the beer is in the fridge, and the bands
are tuning up. Weather is set to be mostly fine, the wallet is nicely topped
up...
....I have no idea who hardly any of the bands are, but I'll soon find out...
www.mmf.com.au
Summer, here we come...
Cheers,
Kim.Hi Mac user,
I want to admit first that I didn;t read your entire post because it's too
long, and I don;t have that kind of time right now.
I make most of my living doing IT work, and I work with Mac's all the time.
I stand by everything I wrote because it comes from first hand experience
that I have found to be true.
Good luck,
Mike
"A Mac User" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wrote:
>>
>>I agree completely. OSX was a big left turn, too. That spinning pizza
>is
>>just completely unacceptable. They crash if they don't have enough ram.
>>They're extremely slow compared to a PC (which will change when they use
>>PC chips). And, they are very expensive for what the hardware and software
>>are really worth.
>>
>>They had a really nice, simple, clean OS with OS8-9. They saved a lot
of
>>money not having to develop an OS from the ground up by going with UNIX,
>>but they lost most of what made Apple wonderful and unique, too.
>>
>>Just my 2 cents. :)
>>
>>Mike
>>
>
>Mike, what you should do, is actually us Mac OSX for some time before commenting
>on it. It is obvious to me, that you are repeating the same ignorant stuff
>some other ignorant PC user told you, or you read in a PC biased article.
> What is unbelievable is the ignorance PC users have about the Mac, and
the
>fact that they perpetuate the same ignorant bull shit. A lot of PC users
>talk about the Mac like they know what they're talking about, when in fact,
>they have no idea what they are talking about!
>
>Go use a Mac G5 with OSX everyday for a year, then you'd have the right
and
>knowledge to tell people that the Mac sucks, but, that isn't what you'd
be
>saying. I don't think you would give up your XP box right away because
there
>would be some proprietary software you wouldn't want to give up, although
>you could run XP on your Mac. What would happen is you would end up using
>your Mac for 90% of your computing, and you would start to think that XP
>is more of a PITA to use.
>
>Why would you use a Mac over your PC??? Because it is hassle free computing,
>it's fast and it just works! It is a more pleasurable experience. You
don't
>have to be a security administrator, worms and other viruses are not so
much
>an issue. Pop ups, spy-ware, are not much of an issue either. You don't
>have to tweak and fuss with your computer to get it to work. PC guys are
>constantly trouble shooting and tweaking their computers. It is amazing
>to me that there is supposed to be standardized hardware for a PC, but a
>lot of it doesn't work with out trouble shooting, that is such a hassle.
> The amount of buggy software sold retail for the PC amazes me. All the
>B.S. PC users must put up without much complaint, simply amazes me. A lot
>of time is lost on trying to debug and get PCs to work. For the most part,
>the hassle factor doesn't exist with a Mac.
>
>
> A Mac, works differently than a PC, once you understand how a Mac works,
>then you will understand why Mac users are somewhat fanatical. I'll put
>it this way, Mac users are fanatical about their Macs, because they've used
>PCs, and know a Mac is better. I personally use both platforms and have
>for years. I use XP and 2000 for what I have to, and I use a Mac for the
>other 80% of my computing. The Mac is simply less headaches. It is less
>time consuming, and time is money. PC users always talk about how much
cheaper
>a PC is than a Mac because of the hardware cost. It's not cheaper when
you
>figure in time, the time to build, administrate, trouble shoot, bug fix,
>down load drivers and patches. You guy's talk about band-aids and patches,
>Microsoft software has more holes in it than a sieve.
>
>When PC users start Mac bashing, Mac users just shake their heads, we've
>heard the lies for so long we usually have to just turn and walk away.
The
>guys that are brain washed are zealot PC users that repeat old bull shit
>about how Mac suck, and Macs can't do this and that. Some people have their
>heads so far up Bill Gates ass they can't see strait. Please don't repeat
>the same dumb stuff! Find out for your self, and I'm not talking about
trying
>out a mac at a store or library, either.
>
>Mike you say Mac OSX crashes, that is pure bullshit! You say, Macs are
extremely
>slow compared to a PC, More dumb bullshit! Not even close to the truth!
> Your talking out your back side. Mike, honestly, you wouldn't know what
>the software on a Mac is worth, because you don't use a Mac. You say that
>OSX was a left turn, if Apple ever releases a version of OSX for PC, you
>will see major erosion in the Windoz market share by general computer users,
>because it's better than Windoz!
>
>As for the four processor in the new G5s and software not being able to
utilize
>the four processors, more ignorance. Mac OSX was written so that the processing
>load of a program is distributed across all four processors. It is not
>necessary to run software that is optimized for multi processors to take
>advantage of multi processors on a Mac. Although there are plenty of programs
>on the Mac platform that are optimized for multi processors. You really
>should read up on these things!
>
>As for the Pizza box (Beach Ball) spinning, if you where a Mac user you
would
>under stand what this means and what to do. First, on Windows it is the
>hour glass, same thing on a Mac only it is a spinning beach ball. On a
windows
>machine you would get an error message saying " The program is not responding
>" and you would go through the dialog boxes and quit the program. On a
Mac
>when you get a spinning beach ball you would do a force quit, to quit a
program
>that was not responding. It's the same as on a PC, but you are going to
>say the Mac sucks, when in fact you don't understand how it works. It doesn't
>suck, your just ignorant about it.
>
>The Mac bashing gets old, especially when some one is speaking from a point
>of ignorance, but acts as if they are an expert on the subject. Some here
>have comparing Mac OS9 on an old machine to Windows XP on the latest machine
>is not a fair comparison, either.
>
>If your a PC user, and you don't ever want to know about a Mac fine. You
>can stick your head in the sand or up Bill Gates ass or whatever, stay ignorant
>if you want, but don't bash the Mac until you have honestly used a new Mac
>with OSX for a year or more.
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