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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87740 is a reply to message #87739] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 09:11   |
DJ
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o need this to be installed. Usually Dot Net 2.0 would be best.
Also do you have these hot fixes installed? They do make a performance
difference on the new Dual Cores.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936357
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256
(good instructions on how to properly configure it are at this link.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 )
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222/en-us
Chris
Martin Harrington wrote:
> Hi Chris
> No, the computer is purely the studio one..only audio/ video.
> The power supply is an up market (ish) one can't remember what wattage
> it is.
> Yes I am using the current drivers and am using 2 19 inch lcd's
> I'm using PT 7.3.1ur4 and whilst it records perfectly, it's quite
> disconceting when the screen redraw pauses for a fraction of a second
> every few seconds.
> Nuendo and Soundbooth fly along fabulously as does Premiere Pro CS3.
> I'm sure it's aPT thing as I remember seeing the same thing on an
> Intel Macbook with LE a few months ago
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I'm not saying M$oft don't have problems with security, I'm saying it's
a
>fairly minor task to secure a Windows box. Get a firewall (or turn on the
>M$oft one), install patches, update virus definitions. If it's a production
>box (audio or email) then nobody should be using it to web surf anyway,
and
>if they do it should be using a VM.
Here we go again, the same old dumb arguments. On a Mac you can use it for
production and surf the net on the same machine with out fear. What is the
cost of two PCs? This whole line of thinking does not apply to Mac users.
With a Mac there is no need to become a security administrator.
>
>Now then, if someone wants to run cracks the download from the net and surf
>porn sites, well, not much can be done then, but it's _not_ rocket science
>to run a Windows box.
>
>TCB
>
It may not be rocket science, but it is a pain in the ass. There is a better
choice, but it goes against your line of work and the way you make a living.
I totally under stand why IT guys don't like Macs. Although, I do know
a few IT guys that use PCs at work and Macs at home. They tell me, when
they get home, the last thing they want to do is fuss with a computer.
>"laMont " <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't know Thad..all it takes is a person going to wrong web site..boom..or
>>if a client has an afected file in a session. last year one of our email
>>servers(lotus domino-server 2003 got hit with the sasser and W32 ..
>>
>>MS has a mess on their hands..
>><
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87742 is a reply to message #87737] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 09:40 |
audioguy_editout_
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br />
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>P.S. As you might know, I run linux whenever I have the choice.
>>>
>>>"Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more
>>than
>>>>the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
environment.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>
>>>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>
>>>>>business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>>>
>>>>>software or extended warranties.
>>>>>
>>>>>THe verdict:
>>>>>
>>>>>Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>
>>>>>Still a ways to go.
>>>>>
>>>>>JH
>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>&
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87743 is a reply to message #87740] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 09:43 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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gt; Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>purpose
>>>>>>>"music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
much
>>>>on
>>>>>>>topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive or
>>taking
>>>>>>>over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the
>politics
>>>>>>>stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know quite
>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like to
>>know
>>>>>>>what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's 100 degrees in the shade here. I think I'm delirious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Man what's up with you today? People post about all kinds of stuff
>>>>here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I just want to know why he's spamming a Paris group with Apple
crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>what apple forums are for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>The amount of viruses for a Mac are minuscule in comparison to a windows machine.
There are around 150 known viruses for a Mac. Of those viruses, less than
half are serious. On a PC there are over two hundred thousand viruses.
The reality for most Mac users is they don't have to worry about viruses,
and they won't get a virus.
Apple has left the door open with Darwin for hackers, so there is some concern.
However it's no big deal at this time, and Apple can close the door anytime
they want. Times are changing, and the word is, MS is funneling money to
groups to exploit Mac OSX. You will see more articles about it, it's big
news when there is a new exploit, there is big money that sees to that.
There are always going to be hackers that create computer viruses, there's
no stopping that. Anything can happen in the future, but Mac users have
vary little to worry about, Apple is on it.
Big Money wants people to think that Macs and PCs are the same when it comes
to security and viruses, that is not even close to the truth. They just
want it to appear that way.
And yes, that article is old.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12537279/
>
>No longer an apparent PC-only issue, even though this is an older article.
>By comparison our Mac updates almost weekly with security updates. I have
>yet to update
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87745 is a reply to message #87737] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 09:59 |
Bill L
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AM, in article 46bff3a8$1@linux, "laMont"
><jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> I don't know Thad..all it takes is a person going to wrong web site..boom..or
>> if a client has an afected file in a session. last year one of our email
>> servers(lotus domino-server 2003 got hit with the sasser and W32 ..
>>
>> MS has a mess on their hands..
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Poppycock. I high volume XP and 2003 servers that have been running stably,
>>> without infection or even rebooting, for literally years. It's not even
>> all
>>> that difficult. If you don't want to take the time to learn enough to
secure
>>> and stabilize a Windows box then fine, pay what you want, but what you're
>>> paying for is your ignorance and unwillingness to learn, so you should
call
>>> it what it is.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> P.S. As you might know, I run linux whenever I have the choice.
>>>
>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more
>> than
>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No extra
>>>>
>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>
>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>&g
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87754 is a reply to message #87745] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 12:19 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
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>>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much more
>>> than
>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>>>>> environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops (small
>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No
>>>>>> extra
>>>>>
>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a general
>>>>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
> much
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
> or
>>> taking
>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of the
>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>> a
>>>>>
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87758 is a reply to message #87755] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 14:20 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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get="_blank">1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Dedric,. The reason for this change is that Iwas over to a buddys
studio
>> who btw runs PT-HD(8) Accel!! Yikes!! :) witha DM-2000.
>>
>> But, since his studio is commercial he has to run all the major DAWs.
Cubase
>> 3 is one of them. His DAW computer in Studio A is an G5 (Quad-non Intel)...
>>
>> Well, I ask him to do me a favor and let me see how Cubase SX3 runs on
his
>> Mac. So, for testting we imported various wav files from ProTool sessions.
>> Around 80 track..
>>
>> We then activated 5 verbs on the sends.. Activated the on-board Eq(all
4
>> bands). Called up about 20 Ren Comps..
>> Hit the space bar..
>> Ran liek a champ.. No skips hiccups.. Nothing...Mean while...In the back
>> round. we were surfing the web ...Had about 4 pages open, along with ....Pro
>> Tools (HD) still open with a session..!!
>>
>> I was sold.. Because.. I assumes this machine as was one of newer (Intel)
>> bases Macs Pros.. Nope..The G5 quad.
>> Solid.. Solid Solid..
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, my AMD Opteron PCs are solid as well, but, OS_X and
the
>> ability to run XP as well, is a very powerful tandem to beat..
>>
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Hey Lamont - my rig only goes online to grab updates to audio apps,
>>> registration/response codes (which is getting annoying), but never a
problem
>>> with that. But even on the net PC that's online all day with email,
Skype,
>>> etc, never had a virus, spyware, or malware. If OSX would only stop
spam
>>> mail from being sent (not filtered, but shot down at the source via a
large
>>> burst of electricity designed to fry any and all spammer computers, Apple
>>> would really have something.... ;-)
>>>
>>> Let me know how Nuendo runs on your new Mac though, seriously. You'll
have
>>> to wait for N4 to run on the dual core 2 Mac under OSX at least (should
>> be
>>> soon). I would be most interested in a head to head comparison of plugin
>>> counts in the same project under Nuendo, not just similar projects, but
>>> identical.
>>>
>>> The last report I read comparing XP to OSX for DAW performance was from
>>> Derek (used to be on this NG) - German Keyboards compared them and
>>> apparently (I don't read German to confirm) XP won on plugin count and
low
>>> latenc
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87764 is a reply to message #87758] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 16:39 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
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otherboard, and a bad combo drive, all on the same Mac in
> 2 years - not a great record for quality parts. There is more to the
> story than the single argument about viruses, and that's my main point.
> I'm always keeping my options open, and may move to Macs at some point
> if it makes me more efficient and/or profitable, but comparing the
> performance vs. cost is a big deal when I can build 2 PCs for the cost
> of 1 Mac, with identical hardware, and get double the processing
> capability (or more) by doing so. For what I do, that's not a trivial
> point. And, imho, that's the biggest hurdle for Macs with pro audio PC
> users, not virus susceptibility (when that is a known, as it is now) or
> nice looking GUIs - just simple power vs. cost.
>
> If I could access the German Keys mag report I would post the results as
> it apparently found that OSX isn't exactly as fast or low latency
> friendly as WinXP, even under Bootcamp, but I don't have numbers to
> confirm, and that's 2nd hand info. That's where the rubber meets the
> road for me and a lot of other audio-PC users. I don't know too many
> people that are in love with Windows (I'm certainly not) - just getting
> the most for our money. Until Apple takes interest in that side of the
> equation, MS will continue to dominate the market in general. I would
> have no problem switching if I truly would get more for my money with a
> Mac running my given applications (no, Bootcamping XP isn't a feature
> when you pay several hundred *extra* for BIOS locked hardware to have it).
>
> Just my .02.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46c095f7$1@linux...
>>
>> The amount of viruses for a Mac are minuscule in comparison to a
>> windows machine.
>> There are around 150 known viruses for a Mac. Of those viruses, less
>> than
>> half are serious. On a PC there are over two hundred thousand viruses.
>> The reality for most Mac users is they don't have to worry about viruses,
>> and they won't get a virus.
>>
>> Apple has left the door open with Darwin for hackers, so there is some
>> concern.
>> However it's no big deal at this time, and Apple can close the door
>> anytime
>> they want. Times are changing, and the word is, MS is funneling money to
>> groups to exploit Mac OSX. You will see more articles about it, it's big
>> news when there is a new exploit, there is big money that sees to that.
>> There are always going to be hackers that create computer viruses,
>> there's
>> no stopping that. Anything can happen in the future, but Mac users have
>> vary little to worry about, Apple is on it.
>>
>> Big Money wants people to think that Macs and PCs are the same when it
>> comes
>> to security and viruses, that is not even close to the truth. They just
>> want it to appear that way.
>>
>> And yes, that article is old.
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Report message to a moderator
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87769 is a reply to message #87764] |
Sat, 07 July 2007 18:22 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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gt;> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
>>>>>>> more
>>>>> than
>>>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a pro
>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops
>>>>>>>> (small
>>>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.). No
>>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a
>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>> much
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>>> or
>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political stuff too, but I know
>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of people get irritated by it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going to go to an Apple group for Apple updates but like
>>> to
>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> what's going on in Apple land so...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Kim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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| Re: there is no escape-it's your fault [message #87780 is a reply to message #87769] |
Sun, 08 July 2007 02:11 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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lume XP and 2003 servers that have been running
>>>>>>> stably,
>>>>>>> without infection or even rebooting, for literally years. It's not
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> that difficult. If you don't want to take the time to learn enough
to
>>>> secure
>>>>>>> and stabilize a Windows box then fine, pay what you want, but what
>>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>> paying for is your ignorance and unwillingness to learn, so you
>>>>>>> should
>>>> call
>>>>>>> it what it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. As you might know, I run linux whenever I have the choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve Helm" <shelm@radford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but having the stability and security of OS-X is worth much
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> the difference in price between a PC and Mac.... especially in a
pro
>>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jusr for fun, I priced out one of the new Dell Vostro laptops
>>>>>>>>> (small
>>>>>>>>> business class)attempting to match the 15"macbook pro as best as
>>>>>>>>> possible (proc, ram, and HD size and speed, screen res, etc.).
No
>>>>>>>>> extra
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> software or extended warranties.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> THe verdict:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dell Vostro 15" $1443
>>>>>>>>> Macbook Pro 15" $2074
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still a ways to go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>> I would agree... i'm not a "Mac guy", per se' but I've used
>>>>>>>>>> Macs & they're fine, and it's nice to know what other options
>>>>>>>>>> are out there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I look at it this way - someday they'll get their shit together
>>>>>>>>>> & price things accordingly to make it worth my while to buy one
>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, if only Ferrari would do the same :D
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hehe, yes I've got to agree with Chuck. It's pretty much a
>>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>>>>>> "music focussed anything goes" kinda group. Apple stuff is pretty
>>>> much
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> topic, but off topic is fine by me so long as it's not offensive
>>>> or
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>> over the group for weeks on end and annoying people as some of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff does. I actually like the political st
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