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| Re: Does your headphone out work under XP ??? [message #83917 is a reply to message #83912] |
Tue, 01 May 2007 12:07   |
Tom Bruhl
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> Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
> Regards,
> DimitriosHow about eraser?
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>How about eraser?
>
>http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/I had to re-install Paris a few times working on some bugs, and now I can't
find where to go to reinstall my UAD1 card. On a Mac, I thought I was to
put the wrapper in the UAD folder, and then point the VST to the UAD folder,
but no luck. So, I'm doing something wrong.
I appreciate it,
michael blissI'm interested D, and you've done some fantastic homework and problem
solving. Geez, I hope we don't all appear ungrateful to you. I've bought
software knowing full well I may not even get to install it for a weeks or
more. Unfortunately my personal time the last 3 years has been, well... non
existant and I might get to fire up my recording gear once a month these
days. Trust me though, when I tell you I watch your every post like a hawk
to see what you come up with next. The things you post today will absolutely
be of help and assistance to me when my life simplifies and I can get more
back to the things I love to do, not the things I must do.
AA
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:464f4b0d@linux...
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> Hi,
> I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under XP
> thing did not quite interested anyone !!
> I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help from
> my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
> Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ
> achieved
> the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec
> system.
> Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
> OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to
> rphrase
> I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and
> keep
> whatever I do to myself.
> Do I sound pissed off ?
> Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
> Regards,
> DimitriosLooks like I'd be living in and around the town of Mist, unless someone
could guarantee me a gig engineering audio.
http://www.oregongeology.com/sub/oil/MistMap2003.PDF
This looks like the only area in Oregon where I would be able to bring my
professional skills to bear.
;o)
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:464e8296$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I'm thinking about moving to Eugene, just because I'm sure I'd fit in
>>there.
>>
>>;oD
>
>
> Hah! for a week maybe... They have a great bakery there on the main
> drag though.
>
> Try Grants Pass. Much cooler people.
>
> DC
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| Re: Does your headphone out work under XP ??? [message #83918 is a reply to message #83917] |
Tue, 01 May 2007 12:20 |
Dimitrios
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>Hey Dimitrios! I salute you for all your hard work! I always read your
posts, and there are many who lurk here that don't post. You are helping
more people than you know. I still use Paris but I'm on a Mac and I don't
get a chance to use it as much as I would like as well. For a long time
I have considered switching to XP for it's obvious advantages. My Macs just
work, and I dread the PC problems I've seen here for years. I prefer to
avoid the headaches, however, some day I may still give it a try, and all
your work and help will be absolutely needed.
Thanks again for your contribution!
James
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Hi,
>I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under
XP
>thing did not quite interested anyone !!
>I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help from
>my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
>Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ achieved
>the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec system.
>Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
>OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to rphrase
>I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and
keep
>whatever I do to myself.
>Do I sound pissed off ?
>Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
>Regards,
>DimitriosThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:464f94d8$1@linux...
Hey Dimitrios! I salute you for all your hard work! I always read =
your
posts, and there are many who lurk here that don't post. You are =
helping
more people than you know. I still use Paris but I'm on a Mac and I =
don't
get a chance to use it as much as I would like as well. For a long =
time
I have considered switching to XP for it's obvious advantages. My =
Macs just
work, and I dread the PC problems I've seen here for years. I prefer =
to
avoid the headaches, however, some day I may still give it a try, and =
all
your work and help will be absolutely needed.=20
Thanks again for your contribution!
James
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Hi,
>I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards =
under
XP
>thing did not quite interested anyone !!
>I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help =
from
>my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
>Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ =
achieved
>the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec =
system.
>Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three
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| Re: Does your headphone out work under XP ??? [message #83919 is a reply to message #83917] |
Tue, 01 May 2007 12:25 |
Dimitrios
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mecs.
>OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to =
rphrase
>I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience =
and
keep
>whatever I do to myself.
>Do I sound pissed off ?
>Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
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| Re: Does your headphone out work under XP ??? [message #83924 is a reply to message #83920] |
Tue, 01 May 2007 13:06 |
Tom Bruhl
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lead with some help from
>my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
>Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ achieved
>the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec system.
>Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
>OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to rphrase
>I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and keep
>whatever I do to myself.
>Do I sound pissed off ?
>Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
>Regards,
>Dimitrioshi,
I think that you don't where you talking about
learn first the history before any comments!
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>Yep Don, dangerous naivety is an epidemic these days. It leads to
>blindered thinking on all sides, which can lead to naive, sometimes
>idiotically cocksure choices by whoever happens to be in charge. Leading
>to actions that may in fact be counterproductive to the actual goals
>most everyone SAYS they believe in.
>
>But then, when a situation predictably deteriorates, the easy
>rationalization is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Well sure, but it
>could also have been much, much better.
>
>And this shaky rationalization, this flawed logic, this possible
>delusion is sometimes used to justify continued marching, blindly, in a
>wrong direction.
>
>"Hey, let's feel good about the continued screwups because IT COULD HAVE
>BEEN WORSE."
>
>Followed by the completely irrational "In fact, we'd better KEEP
>SCREWING IT UP UNTIL AT LAST WE SUCCEED!"
>
>Go team! Over the cliff.
>
>"Uh, OK, sure we're now falling toward the jagged rocks below, but IT
>COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!" :^)
>
>There's probably a diagnosis for this type of rationalized psychotic
>malfeasance.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>
>
>DC wrote:
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, clearly the
>>> world so much a better place now than 6 years ago.
>> ?I know I feel safer.
>>
>> I edited out the hip-blasphemy bits and the issues that have been
>> discussed 3000 times and everyone knows the answers to, and we
>> end up with this:
>>
>> You assume:
>>
>> that we could have had a safer world when it could be much worse now
>> than it is
>>
>> that this particular struggle can be completed in 6 years.
>>
>> that our enemies are amenable to any other policy than surrender
>>
>> that electing someone with your views would produce greater safety
>>
>>
>> I think all these assumptions are unsupported by any reasonable view of
>> the facts at hand.
>>
>>
>> Here's you., 2 weeks after Tualitin gets hit with a dirty bomb...
>>
>> http://noburqua.blogspot.com/
>>
>> DC
>
>
>Sarah wrote:
> > Rich, Deej, holy crap dudes. The policies of this administration? Are
> > you seriously defending this administration? Help me! Yes, clearly
the
> > world so much a better place now than 6 years ago. I know I feel safer.
> > Jeezus, come on!
> >
> > Listen, I despise fundamentalism of any stripe, and I particularly
> > despise these Islamic fundies who think they have a divine right to kill
> > in the name of Allah . . . the divine right to kill people who believe
> > in the same f***ing god they do! The idiots TOOK their god from the
> > Christians/Jews, for God's sake. :) As far as I'm concerned these
> > lunatics have a divine right to DIE, and that's it. And that goes
> > for anyone else who reasons that they should kill in the name of
> > God, Grrrr . . . where's my Winchester . . .
> >
> > However . . . BIG however . . . this is not what we're doing in Iraq,
> > it's never been what we're doing in Iraq, and it's never been the reason
> > we went there in the first place. And I can't believe anyone still
> > believes the calculated bullshit that got us there.
> >
> > Here's what I think history will tell us: this was the most corrupt
and
> > destructive administration in US history, and the damage they did took
> > years to recover from. (I'm optimistic)
> >
> > Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
> >
> > Naaaa! :)
> >
> > S
> >
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>> wrote
in
> > message news:464ddbf0@linux...
> >
> > The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far
> > left in this country slag the only administration that is willing
to
> > fight for their right to slag the administration. The
> > leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first
> > to be slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in
> > defeating the policies of this administration.
> >
> > go figure.
> >
> > ;o}
> >
> > "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net
> > <mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net>> wrote in message
> > news:464dc9f4@linux...
> > Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It
> > astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make
> > excuses for Islamic extremist violence and fascism while at the
> > same time condemn those democratic and freedom loving people,
> > who reserve the right to defend themselves against such attacks.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com
> > <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>> wrote in message
> > news:464dc442@linux...
> >
> > "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com
> > <mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>> wrote in message
> > news:464da14d@linux...
> > > Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd
> > been treating
> > > terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's
> > always been
> > > instead of as a pretense for war,
> >
> > .........now if they would just build an asprin factory
> > there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like
> > most of the people there are black so this would be PC.
> >
> > flourishing nests of fanatical morons like
> > > this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire,
> > I'm with you, but I
> > > hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for
> > the last four years
> > > has done anything but fan the flames.
> > >
> > there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons
>Sarah.
> >
> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp
> >
> >
> > > Some alternative quotations:
> > >
> > > "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take
up
> > the war-cry, and
> > > shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures
> > to open his mouth;
> > > and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the
> > statesmen will invent
> > > cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is
> > attacked, and every
> > > man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities,
> > and will diligently
> > > study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of
> > them; and thus he will
> > > by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will
> > thank God for the
> > > better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque
> > self-deception." -
> > > Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
> >
> > Mark Twain also said "Get your facts first, and then you
can
> > distort them as much as you please".
> >
> > >
> > > "In the councils of government, we must guard against
the
> > acquisition of
> > > unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by
the
> > > military-industrial complex. The potential for the
> > disastrous rise of
> > > misplaced power exists and will persist.
> >
> > Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible
> > things in my life, some of which actually happened"
> >
> > >
> > > We must never let the weight of this combination endanger
> > our liberties or
> > > democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted.
> > Only an alert and
> > > knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing
of
> > the huge industrial
> > > and military machinery of defense with our peaceful
> > methods and goals, so
> > > that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight
> > D. Eisenhower,
> > > 1961
> >
> > Deej also said "An alert and knowledgable citizenry depends
> > upon an alert and knowldegable CIA"
> >
> > > "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss.
Are
> > great numbers of
> > > our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien
> > invasion or are those
> > > illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't
> > do? One thing is
> > > certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should
> > be allowed if it
> > > results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of
> > harvesters." - Ronald
> > > Reagan
> >
> > I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce
> > any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my
> > own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay.
> > Paying vehicle insurance is such a pain in the ass, I
> > shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked living in
> > Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live.
> > If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me
in
> > jail. If I have a wreck down there without insurance, they
> > will throw me in jail. I know these things for a fact.
> > Pisses me off.
> >
> > >
> > > "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a
> > Frenchman; you can go
> > > to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a
> > Turk, or a Greek, or
> > > whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can
> > come to live in
> > > America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
> >
> > I think it's sooooo cool when people who are libe
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Tue, 01 May 2007 16:40 |
Deej [4]
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; Rich
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>The first thing that must be done in handling any problem is to find the
precise source of the problem. For example if a guitar amp starts making
funny noises, find the tube that is blown and replace it. Voila,
everything sounds good again. Breaking all the tubes with hammer so you
have to take it to the shop to get them all replaced along with the
chassis and sockets is NOT the best solution.
War is the least effective, most destructive solution, and the absolute
last resort of the clever leader. It is an act of desperation. Smart and
sane people don't pick a fight to resolve differences. And frankly only
a very unwise leader attacks a country of millions to handle a very
small group with members numbering in the thousands, few of whom even
come from that country.
Let's be honest, this war is a failure as it was always bound to be. It
almost makes Bush senior look like a genius for getting the heck out
after he quieted them down.
I'm kind of amazed so many otherwise intelligent people persist in
thinking war is a solution for anything other than a last resort
defensive action.
Bill
Rich Lamanna wrote:
> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames. Why the
> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>
> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>
> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>
> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its
> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>
> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>
> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and
> hated
> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs
> nothing
> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>
> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
> timid."
> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>
> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the brave."
> -- Ronald Reagan
>
> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the
> active,
> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>
> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home of
> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>
> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." --
> Winston Churchill
>
> Guidance,
> Rich
>
>
>And dig, it only cost 2 cents a mile to run. Most cars are around 8
cents, so you can save there.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> At a base price of $92k ( fully loaded $101,425), they've got a ways to go
> to sell many of them, even with all the incentives. Still I like where it's
> headed and that sure is a sharp looking 'geek' ride. 248 Peak HP ain't bad,
> and at over 200 ft/lbs of torque flatlines from 0 to 6000+ RPM, it would
> leave a few black marks on the pavement I'm thinking.
>
> AA
>
>
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6609@linux...
>> I was getting all excited, but now i see that I'm naive to even hope that a
>> smart scientist can dream up a way to get hydrogen out of water
>> economically.
>>
>> Hey, did you guys see the Tesla Motors car. It's frickin' awesome:
>> http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
>>
>> 0-60 in 4 seconds. Instant torque. I want one.
>>
>>
>>
>> steve wrote:
>>> seems to me he's just passing the electricity buck.
>>>
>>> The idea is to get power to your car's wheels. His plan is to use
>>> aluminum/gallium
>>> to split water. And how does he get the aluminum/gallium back after it's
>>> used? Electricity. (I seem to remember reading that one of the biggest
>>> users
>>> of electricity in the country is the aluminum industry. Lots of power
>>> needed
>>> to electrolize it out of ore.)
>>>
>>> The same electricity th
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| Re: Does your headphone out work under XP ??? [message #83935 is a reply to message #83927] |
Tue, 01 May 2007 22:56 |
Dimitrios
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> I edited out the hip-blasphemy bits and the issues that have been
>>> discussed 3000 times and everyone knows the answers to, and we
>>> end up with this:
>>>
>>> You assume:
>>>
>>> that we could have had a safer world when it could be much worse now
>>> than it is
>>>
>>> that this particular struggle can be completed in 6 years.
>>>
>>> that our enemies are amenable to any other policy than surrender
>>>
>>> that electing someone with your views would produce greater safety
>>>
>>>
>>> I think all these assumptions are unsupported by any reasonable view of
>>> the facts at hand.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's you., 2 weeks after Tualitin gets hit with a dirty bomb...
>>>
>>> http://noburqua.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> DC
>>
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> Rich, Deej, holy crap dudes. The policies of this administration? Are
>>> you seriously defending this administration? Help me! Yes, clearly
> the
>>> world so much a better place now than 6 years ago. I know I feel safer.
>>> Jeezus, come on!
>>>
>>> Listen, I despise fundamentalism of any stripe, and I particularly
>>> despise these Islamic fundies who think they have a divine right to kill
>>> in the name of Allah . . . the divine right to kill people who believe
>>> in the same f***ing god they do! The idiots TOOK their god from the
>>> Christians/Jews, for God's sake. :) As far as I'm concerned these
>>> lunatics have a divine right to DIE, and that's it. And that goes
>>> for anyone else who reasons that they should kill in the name of
>>> God, Grrrr . . . where's my Winchester . . .
>>>
>>> However . . . BIG however . . . this is not what we're doing in Iraq,
>>> it's never been what we're doing in Iraq, and it's never been the reason
>>> we went there in the first place. And I can't believe anyone still
>>> believes the calculated bullshit that got us there.
>>>
>>> Here's what I think history will tell us: this was the most corrupt
> and
>>> destructive administration in US history, and the damage they did took
>>> years to recover from. (I'm optimistic)
>>>
>>> Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> Naaaa! :)
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>> wrote
> in
>>> message news:464ddbf0@linux...
>>>
>>> The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far
>>> left in this country slag the only administration that is willing
> to
>>> fight for their right to slag the administration. The
>>> leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first
>>> to be slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in
>>> defeating the policies of this administration.
>>>
>>> go figure.
>>>
>>> ;o}
>>>
>>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net
>>> <mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net>> wrote in message
>>> news:464dc9f4@linux...
>>> Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It
>>> astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make
>>> excuses for Islamic extremist violence and fascism while at the
>>> same time condemn those democratic and freedom loving people,
>>> who reserve the right to defend themselves against such attacks.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com
>>> <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>> wrote in message
>>> news:464dc442@linux...
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com
>>> <mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>> wrote in message
>>> news:464da14d@linux...
>>> > Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd
>>> been treating
>>> > terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's
>>> always been
>>> > instead of as a pretense for war,
>>>
>>> .........now if they would just build an asprin factory
>>> there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like
>>> most of the people there are black so this would be PC.
>>>
>>> flourishing nests of fanatical morons like
>>> > this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire,
>>> I'm with you, but I
>>> > hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for
>>> the last four years
>>> > has done anything but fan the flames.
>>> >
>>> there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons
>> Sarah.
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r exists and will persist.
>>>
>>> Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible
>>> things in my life, some of which actually happened"
>>>
>>> >
>>> > We must never let the weight of this combination endanger
>>> our liberties or
>>> > democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted.
>>> Only an alert and
>>> > knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing
> of
>>> the huge industrial
>>> > and military machinery of defense with our peaceful
>>> methods and goals, so
>>> > that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight
>>> D. Eisenhower,
>>> > 1961
>>>
>>> Deej also said "An alert and knowledgable citizenry depends
>>> upon an alert and knowldegable CIA"
>>>
>>> > "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss.
> Are
>>> great numbers of
>>> > our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien
>>> invasion or are those
>>> > illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't
>>> do? One thing is
>>> > certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should
>>> be allowed if it
>>> > results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of
>>> harvesters." - Ronald
>>> > Reagan
>>>
>>> I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce
>>> any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my
>>> own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay.
>>> Paying vehicle insurance is such a pain in the ass, I
>>> shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked living in
>>> Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live.
>>> If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me
> in
>>> jail. If I have a wreck down there without insurance, they
>>> will throw me in jail. I know these things for a fact.
>>> Pisses me off.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a
>>> Frenchman; you can go
>>> > to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a
>>> Turk, or a Greek, or
>>> > whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can
>>> come to live in
>>> > America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
>>>
>>> I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote
>>> Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra
>>> Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine
> in
>>> the inner cities? Ollie North one of your heroes?
>>>
>>> >
>>> > "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final
>>> right to the manger
>>> > even though he may have lain there for a very long time.
>>> I do not admit that
>>> > right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong
>>> has been done to the
>>> > Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia.
>>> I do not admit that
>>> > a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that
> a
>>> stronger race, a
>>> > higher-grade race has come in and taken their place."
> -
>>> Winston Churchill
>>> > (who apparently never said that thing about
>>> liberal/conservative heart/brain
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12 )
>>> I'll bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could
>>> find a way to challenge the title to this land, then we
>>> could pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas
>>> and they would kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat
>>> and set up a casino.
>>>
>>> > "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
>>>
>>> "I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes
>>> of intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30
>>> to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America
> if
>>> they started at 6:30".-Groucho Marx
>>> >>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel
>>> Johnson
>>>
>>> “When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes
>>> a disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
>>> >
>>> > "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife
>>> and kids. Eat
>>> > them!" - Homer Simpson
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest
>>> sign from Simpsons
>>> > episode
>>>
>>> "We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Courage,
>>> > Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
>>>
>>> "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge
>>> me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and
>>> lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12
>>> > "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net
>>> <mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net>> wrote in message
>>> > news:464ce932@linux...
>>> >> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan
>>> the flames. Why
>>> >> the
>>> >> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>> >>
>>> >> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell
>>> Phillips
>>> >>
>>> >> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless
>>> he be vigilant in
>>> >> its
>>> >> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>> >>
>>> >> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an
>>> announcement outside a
>>> >> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>> >>
>>> >> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce
>>> man, and brave, and
>>> >> hated
>>> >> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join
>>> him, for then it
>>> >> costs
>>> >> nothing
>>> >> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>> >>
>>> >> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to
>>> the weak or the
>>> >> timid."
>>> >> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan.
>>> 20, 1953
>>> >>
>>> >> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It
>>> belongs to the
>>> >> brave."
>>> >> -- Ronald Reagan
>>> >>
>>> >> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to
>>> the vigilant, the
>>> >> active,
>>> >> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>> >>
>>> >> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no
>>> longer the home of
>>> >> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>> >>
>>> >> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a
>> heart,
>>> >> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't
>>> have a brain." --
>>> >> Winston Churchill
>>> >>
>>> >> Guidance,
>>> >> Rich
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under
XP
>thing did not quite interested anyone !!
>I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help from
>my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
Had you considered the possibility that no one's running the
ADAT cards under XP? I've got one, but I'm running it under ME.
Neil"edna" > wrote:
>I believe Norton Utilities has one that writes zeros to the entire drive.
Doesn't it have to write an equal amount of "1's", as well -
otherwise the drive would be out of phase?
:DBill L wrote:
> And dig, it only cost 2 cents a mile to run. Most cars are around 8
> cents, so you can save there.
Heh, that's right! :^)
Since most cars don't go 0-60 in 4 seconds, if I were in the market for
a this kind of car, I'd be comparing this to other similarly priced or
higher priced cars that run at a much, much higher cost per mile.
Although at that point, if you really care about the cost per mile
you're probably not in the market for a $100,000 ride.
They sold out of the first run, a great start for Tesla.
While vehicles in that class are just a conversation piece for most of
us. Tesla's long term plans include other, more practical/affordable
models as the economies of scale kick in. We shall see.
Here's another hotrod electric, a four-wheel-drive seven passenger
collaboration between Lotus and Zap. Claims 0-60 in about 5 seconds, and
this one might jump in at about half the cost of a Tesla Roadster:
http://www.zapworld.com/ZAPCMS/uploadedFiles/ZAP_APX.pdf
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> At a base price of $92k ( fully loaded $101,425), they've got a ways
>> to go to sell many of them, even with all the incentives. Still I
>> like where it's headed and that sure is a sharp looking 'geek' ride.
>> 248 Peak HP ain't bad, and at over 200 ft/lbs of torque flatlines from
>> 0 to 6000+ RPM, it would leave a few black marks on the pavement I'm
>> thinking.
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6609@linux...
>>> I was getting all excited, but now i see that I'm naive to even hope
>>> that a smart scientist can dream up a way to get hydrogen out of
>>> water economically.
>>>
>>> Hey, did you guys see the Tesla Motors car. It's frickin' awesome:
>>> http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
>>>
>>> 0-60 in 4 seconds. Instant torque. I want one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> steve wrote:
>>>> seems to me he's just passing the electricity buck.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to get power to your car's wheels. His plan is to use
>>>> aluminum/gallium
>>>> to split water. And how does he get the aluminum/gallium back after
>>>> it's
>>>> used? Electricity. (I seem to remember reading that one of the
>>>> biggest users
>>>> of electricity in the country is the aluminum industry. Lots of
>>>> power needed
>>>> to electrolize it out of ore.)
>>>>
>>>> The same electricity that is used to split the alulminum oxide back
>>>> to aluminum
>>>> could just as easily be used to split water directly into hydrogen
>>>> and oxygen.
>>>> He's just moved the process from a most likely more efficient power
>>>> plant
>>>> right into a 350 pound pile of rocks in your car. Two conversions
>>>> instead
>>>> of one, undoubtedly more inefficient, to save the trouble of
>>>> creating a hydrogen
>>>> infrastructure. Maybe good. Maybe not.
>>>>
>>>> The other problem with hydrogen, namely it's tendency to leak right
>>>> through
>>>> seals and hoses, would still remain.
>>>>
>>>> Very interesting story. I wish I could get enthused about it...
>>>>
>>>> -steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know about climbing hills, but I do know the city of
>>>>> Lansing Mi.
>>>> has
>>>>> been using hydrogen powered buses and trucks since 1975.
>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Bush and his oil buddies won't like this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/
>>>>>> Oh yeah, and that's why both Bushe brothers continually veto the
>>>>>> building of new oil platforms...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this guy has a long way to go before his idea is credible.
>>>>>> Blaming it on egos is a bad start....
>>>>>> shows real promise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He has not spoken of how much hydrogen his device puts out,
>>>>>> and remember, it is only 40% as powerful as gasoline per volume
>>>>>> so your car will lose a lot of its power. Remember also, this
>>>>>> weaker car now has to pull you and your family up the hill to
>>>>>> Las Vegas... Can it produce enough hydrogen on demand to pull
>>>>>> this off?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the cost per mile of gallium and aluminum refills?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How far does the tank take you without a refill?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, I am not impressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>I missed the track - one more post?
On 2007-05-15 17:24:17 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> said:
> Wow, nice. Rockin', crunchy, thick, and punchy. I don't know about
> "grunty," but hey, they can't all be grunty. :)
>
> Tanks for puttin' it back for me. Yay PARIS!
>
> S
>
>
> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4649f974$1@linux...
>> Put it up for another day Sarah - just for you.. :)
>>
>> -Carl
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:464986eb@linux...
>>> Aw, I think I missed it . . . did you take it down? I was busy this
>> weekend
>>> . . .
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46465936$1@linux...
>>>> Holy sweet rock'n'roll tone sauce - I am mixing an project right now
>>>> that's
>>>> just becoming too much fun a lŕ Paris. Thought I'd spread some rock
>> around
>>>> for the group. I'm dreading the day I have to give this beast up - it's
>>>> too
>>>> saucy delicious !!!!
>>>> http://www.carlamburn.com/shameclub/ShameClub-LightShines-v1 a.mp3
>>>>
>>>> rock on,
>>>> -CarlThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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I definitely believe this. The whole reason we are in Iraq and =
Afghanistan right now is because of Clinton's criminal ineptitude. You =
can be assured that I believe that clinton was, without a doubt, "^The =
worst" president in american history, bar none.
;o)
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don't believe you really think that.
Sorry. :)
SJB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
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Here's what I think history will tell us: this was the most =
corrupt and destructive administration in US history, and the damage =
they did took years to recover from. (I'm optimistic)
Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Naaaa! :)
S
I think that theis perfectly describes the Clinton administration.
go figure......
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry. :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Naaaa! :)</FONT></DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_0173_01C79ADF.181C7090--Thad,
I missed the debate, so I don't know what he said there, but I went to
his website and I found myself agreeing wholeheartedly with almost every
point he made. He has a clear opinion and doesn't hedge on saying what
he wants to do about it. That's a breath of fresh air.
Check it out. You may be surprised.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/Issues_fx.html
Bill L
TCB wrote:
> Yup, those wing nuts on the left. Like Ron Paul. Did you see him in the pres.
> debate? Freaking commie.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>> The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far left
> =
>> in this country slag the only administration that is willing to fight =
>> for their right to slag the administration. The leftleaning/outspoken =
>> first amendment loving folks will be the first to be slaughtered by =
>> those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the policies of this
> =
>> administration.
>>
>> go figure.
>>
>> ;o}
>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
>> news:464dc9f4@linux...
>> Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It astounds
> =
>> me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for Islamic =
>> extremist violence and fascism while at the same time condemn those =
>> democratic and freedom loving people, who reserve the right to defend =
>> themselves against such attacks.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
>> news:464dc442@linux...
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
>> news:464da14d@linux...
>> > Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd been =
>> treating=20
>> > terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's always =
>> been=20
>> > instead of as a pretense for war,=20
>>
>> .........now if they would just build an asprin factory there, we =
>> could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like most of the people =
>> there are black so this would be PC.
>>
>> flourishing nests of fanatical morons like=20
>> > this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, I'm with =
>> you, but I=20
>> > hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for the last =
>> four years=20
>> > has done anything but fan the flames.
>> >=20
>> there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons Sarah.
>> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp
>>
>>
>> > Some alternative quotations:
>> >=20
>> > "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up the =
>> war-cry, and=20
>> > shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open =
>> his mouth;=20
>> > and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen =
>> will invent=20
>> > cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, =
>> and every=20
>> > man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will
> =
>> diligently=20
>> > study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and =
>> thus he will=20
>> > by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank =
>> God for the=20
>> > better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque =
>> self-deception." -=20
>> > Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
>>
>> Mark Twain also said "Get your facts first, and then you can distort
> =
>> them as much as you please".
>>
>> >=20
>> > "In the councils of government, we must guard against the =
>> acquisition of=20
>> > unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the=20
>> > military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise
> =
>> of=20
>> > misplaced power exists and will persist.
>>
>> Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible things in =
>> my life, some of which actually happened"
>>
>> >=20
>> > We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our =
>> liberties or=20
>> > democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an
> =
>> alert and=20
>> > knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge
> =
>> industrial=20
>> > and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and =
>> goals, so=20
>> > that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. =
>> Eisenhower,=20
>> > 1961
>>
>> Deej also said "An alert and knowledgable citizenry depends upon an
> =
>> alert and knowldegable CIA"=20
>>
>> > "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great =
>> numbers of=20
>> > our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are
> =
>> those=20
>> > illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One
> =
>> thing is=20
>> > certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be =
>> allowed if it=20
>> > results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." -
> =
>> Ronald=20
>> > Reagan
>>
>> I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce any =
>> identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my own personal =
>> health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying vehicle insurance is
> =
>> such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked
> =
>> living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live. If
> =
>> I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in jail. If I =
>> have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in jail. I
> =
>> know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.
>>
>> >=20
>> > "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman;
> =
>> you can go=20
>> > to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a =
>> Greek, or=20
>> > whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to =
>> live in=20
>> > America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
>>
>> I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote Reagan. =
>> Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra Show? How about the
> =
>> way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the inner cities? Ollie North =
>> one of your heroes?=20
>>
>> >=20
>> > "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to =
>> the manger=20
>> > even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not
> =
>> admit that=20
>> > right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been =
>> done to the=20
>> > Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not
> =
>> admit that=20
>> > a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger
> =
>> race, a=20
>> > higher-grade race has come in and taken their place." - Winston =
>> Churchill=20
>> > (who apparently never said that thing about liberal/conservative =
>> heart/brain=20
>> > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112 )
>>
>> I'll bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could find a =
>> way to challenge the title to this land, then we could pass a law that =
>> handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they would kick their asses out
> =
>> of there in a heartbeat and set up a casino.
>> =20
>> > "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
>>
>> "I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes of =
>> intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30 to 8.00 to =
>> educate America. They couldn't educate America if they started at =
>> 6:30".-Groucho Marx
>>
>> >>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>>
>> "When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes a =
>> disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
>> >=20
>> > "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids. =
>> Eat=20
>> > them!" - Homer Simpson
>>
>>
>> >=20
>> > "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest sign from =
>> Simpsons=20
>> > episode
>>
>> "We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>>
>> >=20
>> > Courage,
>> > Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
>>
>> "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I =
>> would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a =
>> quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >=20
>> > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112
>> > "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message=20
>> > news:464ce932@linux...
>> >> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the =
>> flames. Why=20
>> >> the
>> >> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>> >>
>> >> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>> >>
>> >> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be =
>> vigilant in=20
>> >> its
>> >> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>> >>
>> >> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement =
>> outside a
>> >> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>> >>
>> >> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and =
>> brave, and
>> >> hated
>> >> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for =
>> then it=20
>> >> costs
>> >> nothing
>> >> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>> >>
>> >> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or
> =
>> the
>> >> timid."
>> >> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>> >>
>> >> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
>> the=20
>> >> brave."
>> >> -- Ronald Reagan
>> >>
>> >> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the =
>> vigilant, the
>> >> active,
>> >> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>> >>
>> >> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the =
>> home of
>> >> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>> >>
>> >> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>> >> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a =
>> brain." --=20
>> >> Winston Churchill
>> >>
>> >> Guidance,
>> >> Rich
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>=20
>> >=20
>> >
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> <HTML><HEAD>
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>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>> </HEAD>
>> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The thing that has always intrigued me
> =
>> is how the=20
>> folks on the far left in this country slag the only administration that
> =
>> is=20
>> willing to fight for their right to slag the administration. The=20
>> leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first to
> =
>> be=20
>> slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the =
>> policies=20
>> of this administration.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go figure.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Wed, 02 May 2007 02:03 |
Dimitrios
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o}</FONT></DIV>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Rich Lamanna" <<A=20
>> =
>> href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net">richard.lamanna@verizon.net</=
>> A>>=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> href=3D"news:464dc9f4@linux">news:464dc9f4@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well =
>> written. It=20
>> astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for
> =
>> Islamic=20
>> extremist violence and fascism while at the same time=20
>> condemn those democratic and freedom loving people, who =
>> reserve=20
>> the right to defend themselves against such attacks.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT><BR></DIV>
>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>> =
>> href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>> =
>> wrote=20
>> in message <A =
>> href=3D"news:464dc442@linux">news:464dc442@linux</A>...</DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Sarah" <</FONT><A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>sarahjane@sarahtonin.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>> size=3D2>> wrote=20
>> in message </FONT><A href=3D"news:464da14d@linux"><FONT face=3DArial
> =
>> size=3D2>news:464da14d@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Surely this doesn't surprise =
>> you . . .=20
>> ? Perhaps if we'd been treating <BR>> terrorism as the=20
>> international criminal problem that it's always been <BR>> =
>> instead of as=20
>> a pretense for war, </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.........now if they would just =
>> build an asprin=20
>> factory there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like =
>> most of=20
>> the people there are black so this would be PC.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>flourishing nests of fanatical =
>> morons like=20
>> <BR>> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, =
>> I'm=20
>> with you, but I <BR>> hope you don't think what we've been doing =
>> in Iraq=20
>> for the last four years <BR>> has done anything but fan the=20
>> flames.<BR>> </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>there are lots of flourishing nests
> =
>> of=20
>> fanatical morons Sarah.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><A=20
>> =
>> href=3D" http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp"><=
>> FONT=20
>> face=3DArial=20
>> =
>> size=3D2> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp</=
>> FONT></A></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Some alternative =
>> quotations:<BR>>=20
>> <BR>> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up =
>> the=20
>> war-cry, and <BR>> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man =
>> who=20
>> ventures to open his mouth; <BR>> and presently such mouths will =
>> cease to=20
>> open. Next the statesmen will invent <BR>> cheap lies, putting =
>> the blame=20
>> upon the nation that is attacked, and every <BR>> man will be =
>> glad of=20
>> those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently <BR>> =
>> study=20
>> them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he =
>> will=20
>> <BR>> by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will =
>> thank God=20
>> for the <BR>> better sleep he enjoys after this process of =
>> grotesque=20
>> self-deception." - <BR>> Mark Twain, from The Mysterious=20
>> Stranger</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "Get your =
>> facts first, and=20
>> then you can distort them as much as you please".</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "In the councils =
>> of=20
>> government, we must guard against the acquisition of <BR>> =
>> unwarranted=20
>> influence, whether sought or unsought, by the <BR>> =
>> military-industrial=20
>> complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of <BR>> misplaced =
>> power=20
>> exists and will persist.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "I have been =
>> throught some=20
>> terrible things in my life, some of which actually =
>> happened"</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> We must never let =
>> the weight=20
>> of this combination endanger our liberties or <BR>> democratic =
>> processes.=20
>> We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and <BR>> =
>> knowledgeable=20
>> citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial =
>> <BR>> and=20
>> military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, =
>> so=20
>> <BR>> that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight =
>> D.=20
>> Eisenhower, <BR>> 1961</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej also said "An alert and =
>> knowledgable=20
>> citizenry depends upon an alert and knowldegable CIA" </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "...it makes one wonder =
>> about the=20
>> illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of <BR>> our unemployed =
>> really=20
>> victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those <BR>> illegal =
>> tourists=20
>> actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is <BR>> =
>> certain=20
>> in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it =
>> <BR>>=20
>> results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." - =
>> Ronald=20
>> <BR>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with this. I also think I =
>> should not=20
>> have to produce any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should
> =
>> be my=20
>> own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying =
>> vehicle=20
>> insurance is such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat =
>> either. I=20
>> also liked living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got =
>> there and=20
>> live. If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in =
>> jail. If=20
>> I have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in =
>> jail. I=20
>> know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "You can go to =
>> live in=20
>> France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go <BR>> to =
>> live in=20
>> Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a Greek, or =
>> <BR>>=20
>> whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live
> =
>> in=20
>> <BR>> America and become an American." - more Ronald =
>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it's sooooo cool when =
>> people who are=20
>> liberal quote Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the
> =
>> Contra=20
>> Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the =
>> inner=20
>> cities? Ollie North one of your heroes? </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "I do not agree =
>> that the dog=20
>> in a manger has the final right to the manger <BR>> even though =
>> he may=20
>> have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that <BR>> =
>> right. I=20
>> do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the =
>> <BR>>=20
>> Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not =
>> admit that=20
>> <BR>> a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a =
>> stronger=20
>> race, a <BR>> higher-grade race has come in and taken their =
>> place." -=20
>> Winston Churchill <BR>> (who apparently never said that thing =
>> about=20
>> liberal/conservative heart/brain <BR>> </FONT><A=20
>> =
>> href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
>>> <FONT=20
>> face=3DArial=20
>> =
>> size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
>> </FONT></A><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2> )</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll bet if we just got a few =
>> lawyers involved,=20
>> they could find a way to challenge the title to this land, then we =
>> could=20
>> pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they =
>> would=20
>> kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat and set up a=20
>> casino.<BR> <BR>> "Religion poisons everything." - =
>> Christopher=20
>> Hitchens</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I read in the newspapers they are
> =
>> going to=20
>> have 30 minutes of intellectual stuff on television every Monday =
>>from 7.30=20
>> to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America if they =
>> started at=20
>> 6:30".-Groucho Marx<BR></FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>>Patriotism is the last =
>> refuge of a=20
>> scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT size=3D+0>=93When we have lost everything, including =
>> hope, life=20
>> becomes a disgrace, and death a duty."-</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>> size=3D2><FONT=20
>> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>W.C.
> =
>> Fields</FONT></FONT><BR>> <BR>> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! =
>> Don't eat=20
>> me! I have a wife and kids. Eat <BR>> them!" - Homer =
>> Simpson</DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant =
>> protest=20
>> sign from Simpsons <BR>> episode</DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV>"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.<BR><BR>> =
>>
>> <BR>> Courage,<BR>> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . .=20
>> )</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I thoroughly disapprove of duels.
> =
>> If a man=20
>> should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the
> =
>> hand and=20
>> lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV>
>> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A=20
>> =
>> href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
>>> <FONT=20
>> face=3DArial=20
>> =
>> size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
>> </FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2>> "Rich Lamanna" <</FONT><A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>richard.lamanna@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>> size=3D2>>=20
>> wrote in message <BR>> </FONT><A =
>> href=3D"news:464ce932@linux"><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2>news:464ce932@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
>> face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2>...<BR>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you =
>> can all=20
>> fan the flames. Why <BR>>> the<BR>>> heck not welcome =
>> some more=20
>> illegals.<BR>>><BR>>> </FONT><A=20
>> =
>> href=3D"http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm"><FON=
>> T=20
>> face=3DArial=20
>> =
>> size=3D2>http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm</FON=
>> T></A><BR><FONT=20
>> face=3DArial size=3D2>>><BR>>> "Eternal vigilance is the =
>> price of=20
>> liberty." -- Wendell Phillips<BR>>><BR>>> "No man is =
>> entitled to=20
>> the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in <BR>>>=20
>> its<BR>>> preservation." -- General Douglas=20
>> MacArthur<BR>>><BR>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- =
>> posted=20
>> as an announcement outside a<BR>>> Unitarian Church in Texas =
>> on Sept.=20
>> 17, 2001<BR>>><BR>>> "In the beginning of a change the =
>> patriot=20
>> is a scarce man, and brave, and<BR>>> hated<BR>>> and =
>> scorned.=20
>> When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it =
>> <BR>>>=20
>> costs<BR>>> nothing<BR>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark=20
>> Twain<BR>>><BR>>> "History does not long entrust the =
>> care of=20
>> freedom to the weak or the<BR>>> timid."<BR>>> -- Dwight =
>> D.=20
>> Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, =
>> 1953<BR>>><BR>>>=20
>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
>> the=20
>> <BR>>> brave."<BR>>> -- Ronald =
>> Reagan<BR>>><BR>>>=20
>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
> =
>> the<BR>>> active,<BR>>> the brave." -- Patrick=20
>> Henry<BR>>><BR>>> "The land of the free will cease to be =
>> when=20
>> it's no longer the home of<BR>>> the brave."-- Rick=20
>> Gaber<BR>>><BR>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal =
>> doesn't=20
>> have a heart,<BR>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a =
>> conservative=20
>> doesn't have a brain." -- <BR>>> Winston=20
>> Churchill<BR>>><BR>>> Guidance,&l
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| Re: Does your headphone out work under XP ??? [message #83940 is a reply to message #83939] |
Wed, 02 May 2007 06:16 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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t;BR>>>=20
>> Rich<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>>=20
>> <BR>></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >
>>
>>
>Now Bill........god forbid we should get someone in office who won't sugar
coat things....we need to feel good about ourselves
;o)
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4650a7f9@linux...
> Thad,
>
> I missed the debate, so I don't know what he said there, but I went to his
> website and I found myself agreeing wholeheartedly with almost every point
> he made. He has a clear opinion and doesn't hedge on saying what he wants
> to do about it. That's a breath of fresh air.
>
> Check it out. You may be surprised.
> http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/Issues_fx.html
>
> Bill L
>
> TCB wrote:
>> Yup, those wing nuts on the left. Like Ron Paul. Did you see him in the
>> pres.
>> debate? Freaking commie. TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far left
>> =
>>> in this country slag the only administration that is willing to fight =
>>> for their right to slag the administration. The leftleaning/outspoken =
>>> first amendment loving folks will be the first to be slaughtered by =
>>> those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the policies of this
>> =
>>> administration.
>>>
>>> go figure.
>>>
>>> ;o}
>>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
>>> news:464dc9f4@linux...
>>> Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It astounds
>> =
>>> me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for Islamic =
>>> extremist violence and fascism while at the same time condemn those =
>>> democratic and freedom loving people, who reserve the right to defend =
>>> themselves against such attacks.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
>>> news:464dc442@linux...
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
>>> news:464da14d@linux...
>>> > Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd been =
>>> treating=20
>>> > terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's always =
>>> been=20
>>> > instead of as a pretense for war,=20
>>>
>>> .........now if they would just build an asprin factory there, we =
>>> could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like most of the people =
>>> there are black so this would be PC.
>>>
>>> flourishing nests of fanatical morons like=20
>>> > this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, I'm with =
>>> you, but I=20
>>> > hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for the last =
>>> four years=20
>>> > has done anything but fan the flames.
>>> >=20
>>> there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons Sarah.
>>> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp
>>>
>>>
>>> > Some alternative quotations:
>>> >=20
>>> > "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up the =
>>> war-cry, and=20
>>> > shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open =
>>> his mouth;=20
>>> > and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen =
>>> will invent=20
>>> > cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, =
>>> and every=20
>>> > man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will
>> =
>>> diligently=20
>>> > study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and =
>>> thus he will=20
>>> > by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank =
>>> God for the=20
>>> > better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque =
>>> self-deception." -=20
>>> > Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
>>>
>>> Mark Twain also said "Get your facts first, and then you can distort
>> =
>>> them as much as you please".
>>>
>>> >=20
>>> > "In the councils of government, we must guard against the =
>>> acquisition of=20
>>> > unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the=20
>>> > military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise
>> =
>>> of=20
>>> > misplaced power exists and will persist.
>>>
>>> Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible things in =
>>> my life, some of which actually happened"
>>>
>>> >=20
>>> > We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our =
>>> liberties or=20
>>> > democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an
>> =
>>> alert and=20
>>> > knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge
>> =
>>> industrial=20
>>> > and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and =
>>> goals, so=20
>>> > that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. =
>>> Eisenhower,=20
>>> > 1961
>>>
>>> Deej also said "An alert and knowledgable citizenry depends upon an
>> =
>>> alert and knowldegable CIA"=20
>>>
>>> > "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great =
>>> numbers of=20
>>> > our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are
>> =
>>> those=20
>>> > illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One
>> =
>>> thing is=20
>>> > certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be =
>>> allowed if it=20
>>> > results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." -
>> =
>>> Ronald=20
>>> > Reagan
>>>
>>> I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce any =
>>> identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my own personal =
>>> health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying vehicle insurance is
>> =
>>> such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked
>> =
>>> living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live. If
>> =
>>> I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in jail. If I =
>>> have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in jail. I
>> =
>>> know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.
>>>
>>> >=20
>>> > "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman;
>> =
>>> you can go=20
>>> > to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a =
>>> Greek, or=20
>>> > whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to =
>>> live in=20
>>> > America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
>>>
>>> I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote Reagan. =
>>> Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra Show? How about the
>> =
>>> way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the inner cities? Ollie North =
>>> one of your heroes?=20
>>>
>>> >=20
>>> > "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to =
>>> the manger=20
>>> > even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not
>> =
>>> admit that=20
>>> > right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been =
>>> done to the=20
>>> > Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not
>> =
>>> admit that=20
>>> > a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger
>> =
>>> race, a=20
>>> > higher-grade race has come in and taken their place." - Winston =
>>> Churchill=20
>>> > (who apparently never said that thing about liberal/conservative =
>>> heart/brain=20
>>> > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112 )
>>>
>>> I'll bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could find a =
>>> way to challenge the title to this land, then we could pass a law that =
>>> handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they would kick their asses out
>> =
>>> of there in a heartbeat and set up a casino.
>>> =20
>>> > "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
>>>
>>> "I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes of =
>>> intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30 to 8.00 to =
>>> educate America. They couldn't educate America if they started at =
>>> 6:30".-Groucho Marx
>>>
>>> >>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
>>>
>>> "When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes a =
>>> disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
>>> >=20
>>> > "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids. =
>>> Eat=20
>>> > them!" - Homer Simpson
>>>
>>>
>>> >=20
>>> > "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest sign from =
>>> Simpsons=20
>>> > episode
>>>
>>> "We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>>>
>>> >=20
>>> > Courage,
>>> > Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
>>>
>>> "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I =
>>> would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a =
>>> quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >=20
>>> > http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112
>>> > "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message=20
>>> > news:464ce932@linux...
>>> >> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the =
>>> flames. Why=20
>>> >> the
>>> >> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>> >>
>>> >> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>> >>
>>> >> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be =
>>> vigilant in=20
>>> >> its
>>> >> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>> >>
>>> >> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement =
>>> outside a
>>> >> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>> >>
>>> >> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and =
>>> brave, and
>>> >> hated
>>> >> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for =
>>> then it=20
>>> >> costs
>>> >> nothing
>>> >> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>> >>
>>> >> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or
>> =
>>> the
>>> >> timid."
>>> >> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>> >>
>>> >> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
>>> the=20
>>> >> brave."
>>> >> -- Ronald Reagan
>>> >>
>>> >> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the =
>>> vigilant, the
>>> >> active,
>>> >> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>> >>
>>> >> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the =
>>> home of
>>> >> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>> >>
>>> >> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>> >> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a =
>>> brain." --=20
>>> >> Winston Churchill
>>> >>
>>> >> Guidance,
>>> >> Rich
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>=20
>>> >=20
>>> >
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16414" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>> </HEAD>
>>> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The thing that has always intrigued me
>> =
>>> is how the=20
>>> folks on the far left in this country slag the only administration that
>> =
>>> is=20
>>> willing to fight for their right to slag the administration. The=20
>>> leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first to
>> =
>>> be=20
>>> slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the =
>>> policies=20
>>> of this administration.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go figure.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o}</FONT></DIV>
>>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"Rich Lamanna" <<A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net">richard.lamanna@verizon.net</=
>>> A>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> href=3D"news:464dc9f4@linux">news:464dc9f4@linux</A>...</DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well =
>>> written. It=20
>>> astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for
>> =
>>> Islamic=20
>>> extremist violence and fascism while at the same time=20
>>> condemn those democratic and freedom loving people, who =
>>> reserve=20
>>> the right to defend themselves against such attacks.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT><BR></DIV>
>>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>> =
>>> wrote=20
>>> in message <A =
>>> href=3D"news:464dc442@linux">news:464dc442@linux</A>...</DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Sarah" <</FONT><A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>sarahjane@sarahtonin.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>> size=3D2>> wrote=20
>>> in message </FONT><A href=3D"news:464da14d@linux"><FONT face=3DArial
>> =
>>> size=3D2>news:464da14d@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Surely this doesn't surprise =
>>> you . . .=20
>>> ? Perhaps if we'd been treating <BR>> terrorism as the=20
>>> international criminal problem that it's always been <BR>> =
>>> instead of as=20
>>> a pretense for war, </FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.........now if they would just =
>>> build an asprin=20
>>> factory there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like =
>>> most of=20
>>> the people there are black so this would be PC.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>flourishing nests of fanatical =
>>> morons like=20
>>> <BR>> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, =
>>> I'm=20
>>> with you, but I <BR>> hope you don't think what we've been doing =
>>> in Iraq=20
>>> for the last four years <BR>> has done anything but fan the=20
>>> flames.<BR>> </FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>there are lots of flourishing nests
>> =
>>> of=20
>>> fanatical morons Sarah.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D" http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp"><=
>>> FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial=20
>>> =
>>> size=3D2> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp</=
>>> FONT></A></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Some alternative =
>>> quotations:<BR>>=20
>>> <BR>> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up =
>>> the=20
>>> war-cry, and <BR>> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man =
>>> who=20
>>> ventures to open his mouth; <BR>> and presently such mouths will =
>>> cease to=20
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Dimitrios
Messages: 1056
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Mark Twain also said "Get your =
>>> facts first, and=20
>>> then you can distort them as much as you please".</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "In the councils =
>>> of=20
>>> government, we must guard against the acquisition of <BR>> =
>>> unwarranted=20
>>> influence, whether sought or unsought, by the <BR>> =
>>> military-industrial=20
>>> complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of <BR>> misplaced =
>>> power=20
>>> exists and will persist.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "I have been =
>>> throught some=20
>>> terrible things in my life, some of which actually =
>>> happened"</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> We must never let =
>>> the weight=20
>>> of this combination endanger our liberties or <BR>> democratic =
>>> processes.=20
>>> We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and <BR>> =
>>> knowledgeable=20
>>> citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial =
>>> <BR>> and=20
>>> military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, =
>>> so=20
>>> <BR>> that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight =
>>> D.=20
>>> Eisenhower, <BR>> 1961</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej also said "An alert and =
>>> knowledgable=20
>>> citizenry depends upon an alert and knowldegable CIA" </FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "...it makes one wonder =
>>> about the=20
>>> illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of <BR>> our unemployed =
>>> really=20
>>> victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those <BR>> illegal =
>>> tourists=20
>>> actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is <BR>> =
>>> certain=20
>>> in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it =
>>> <BR>>=20
>>> results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." - =
>>> Ronald=20
>>> <BR>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with this. I also think I =
>>> should not=20
>>> have to produce any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should
>> =
>>> be my=20
>>> own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying =
>>> vehicle=20
>>> insurance is such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat =
>>> either. I=20
>>> also liked living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got =
>>> there and=20
>>> live. If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in =
>>> jail. If=20
>>> I have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in =
>>> jail. I=20
>>> know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "You can go to =
>>> live in=20
>>> France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go <BR>> to =
>>> live in=20
>>> Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a Greek, or =
>>> <BR>>=20
>>> whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live
>> =
>>> in=20
>>> <BR>> America and become an American." - more Ronald =
>>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it's sooooo cool when =
>>> people who are=20
>>> liberal quote Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the
>> =
>>> Contra=20
>>> Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the =
>>> inner=20
>>> cities? Ollie North one of your heroes? </FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "I do not agree =
>>> that the dog=20
>>> in a manger has the final right to the manger <BR>> even though =
>>> he may=20
>>> have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that <BR>> =
>>> right. I=20
>>> do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the =
>>> <BR>>=20
>>> Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not =
>>> admit that=20
>>> <BR>> a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a =
>>> stronger=20
>>> race, a <BR>> higher-grade race has come in and taken their =
>>> place." -=20
>>> Winston Churchill <BR>> (who apparently never said that thing =
>>> about=20
>>> liberal/conservative heart/brain <BR>> </FONT><A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
>>>> <FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial=20
>>> =
>>> size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
>>> </FONT></A><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2> )</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll bet if we just got a few =
>>> lawyers involved,=20
>>> they could find a way to challenge the title to this land, then we =
>>> could=20
>>> pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they =
>>> would=20
>>> kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat and set up a=20
>>> casino.<BR> <BR>> "Religion poisons everything." - =
>>> Christopher=20
>>> Hitchens</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I read in the newspapers they are
>> =
>>> going to=20
>>> have 30 minutes of intellectual stuff on television every Monday =
>>>from 7.30=20
>>> to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America if they =
>>> started at=20
>>> 6:30".-Groucho Marx<BR></FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>>Patriotism is the last =
>>> refuge of a=20
>>> scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT size=3D+0>=93When we have lost everything, including =
>>> hope, life=20
>>> becomes a disgrace, and death a duty."-</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>>> size=3D2><FONT=20
>>> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>W.C.
>> =
>>> Fields</FONT></FONT><BR>> <BR>> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! =
>>> Don't eat=20
>>> me! I have a wife and kids. Eat <BR>> them!" - Homer =
>>> Simpson</DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant =
>>> protest=20
>>> sign from Simpsons <BR>> episode</DIV>
>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.<BR><BR>> =
>>>
>>> <BR>> Courage,<BR>> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . .=20
>>> )</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I thoroughly disapprove of duels.
>> =
>>> If a man=20
>>> should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the
>> =
>>> hand and=20
>>> lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV>
>>> <DIV><BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
>>>> <FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial=20
>>> =
>>> size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
>>> </FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>> "Rich Lamanna" <</FONT><A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>richard.lamanna@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>> size=3D2>>=20
>>> wrote in message <BR>> </FONT><A =
>>> href=3D"news:464ce932@linux"><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>news:464ce932@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
>>> face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2>...<BR>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you =
>>> can all=20
>>> fan the flames. Why <BR>>> the<BR>>> heck not welcome =
>>> some more=20
>>> illegals.<BR>>><BR>>> </FONT><A=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D"http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm"><FON=
>>> T=20
>>> face=3DArial=20
>>> =
>>> size=3D2>http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm</FON=
>>> T></A><BR><FONT=20
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>>><BR>>> "Eternal vigilance is the =
>>> price of=20
>>> liberty." -- Wendell Phillips<BR>>><BR>>> "No man is =
>>> entitled to=20
>>> the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in <BR>>>=20
>>> its<BR>>> preservation." -- General Douglas=20
>>> MacArthur<BR>>><BR>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- =
>>> posted=20
>>> as an announcement outside a<BR>>> Unitarian Church in Texas =
>>> on Sept.=20
>>> 17, 2001<BR>>><BR>>> "In the beginning of a change the =
>>> patriot=20
>>> is a scarce man, and brave, and<BR>>> hated<BR>>> and =
>>> scorned.=20
>>> When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it =
>>> <BR>>>=20
>>> costs<BR>>> nothing<BR>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark=20
>>> Twain<BR>>><BR>>> "History does not long entrust the =
>>> care of=20
>>> freedom to the weak or the<BR>>> timid."<BR>>> -- Dwight =
>>> D.=20
>>> Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, =
>>> 1953<BR>>><BR>>>=20
>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
>>> the=20
>>> <BR>>> brave."<BR>>> -- Ronald =
>>> Reagan<BR>>><BR>>>=20
>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>> =
>>> the<BR>>> active,<BR>>> the brave." -- Patrick=20
>>> Henry<BR>>><BR>>> "The land of the free will cease to be =
>>> when=20
>>> it's no longer the home of<BR>>> the brave."-- Rick=20
>>> Gaber<BR>>><BR>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal =
>>> doesn't=20
>>> have a heart,<BR>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a =
>>> conservative=20
>>> doesn't have a brain." -- <BR>>> Winston=20
>>> Churchill<BR>>><BR>>> Guidance,<BR>>>=20
>>> Rich<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>>=20
>>> <BR>></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML >
>>>
>>>
>>..............circa' 1964-'65............for the family album. We even had a
sicko' "punky" kinda' name.
LOL!!!
1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever
it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake
complicated immigration reform proposals.
2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa
holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates
U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of
9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are
in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking
our laws.
4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed
immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But
taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals,
clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the
U.S. illegally will remain strong.
6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent
and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million
more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation.
This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the
same rules and waiting periods.
Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own
country. Just because you don't like your house does not give you a
right to sneak into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this
issue and we need to decide to handle it.
BillIt's so simple. You force companies and renters to verify legal status and
penalize them if they don't. Done. Problem solved, now back to Adat in Paris.
John"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>.............circa' 1964-'65............for the family album. We even had
a
>sicko' "punky" kinda' name.
>
>LOL!!!
>
>
>
DJ-
I give up -- which one is you?
And here's something for your dogs to use to get over that creek next door:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/zip/334322295.html
It's free! How can you turn it down?
-steveThe beauty of Eugene...
EVERYONE fits in (as long as you're wearing Birkenstock!)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I'm thinking about moving to Eugene, just because I'm sure I'd fit in there.
>
>;oD
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:464dae13@linux...
>>
>> Neo-Americana-Semipsychedelic-Quirk-Rock?
>>
>> Can't be kids music - I heard the "S-H" word, as my ten year old would
>> say...
>> Although that'd only be PG nowadays.
>>
>> I kinda like the " Neo-psychedelic hard jazzy new age folk rock show
>> tunes"
>> idea.
>> My father's wife just bought a house in Portland. In spite of the fact
>> that
>> she mostly can't stand us she was so happy about it that she said "You'll
>> have to come visit sometime". If a visit actually materializes and you
>> get
>> to playing live I'd love to come hear you!
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>That's a really good question, Gantt, and I'm open to suggestions. I
>>>usually answer one of three ways:
>>>
>>>1. Uh . . . rock, I guess?
>>>
>>>2. Neo-psychedelic hard jazzy new age folk rock show tunes
>>>
>>>3. I have no idea.
>>>
>>>I could say "eclectic," but that's about as helpful as "I have no idea."
>>>
>>>Maybe it's children's music. My doctor, my neice, and my co-producer
all
>>
>>>have grade schoolers who are fans. :)
>>>
>>>S
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:464c549c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> When you go to book the band and they ask, "What kind of music do you?"
>>
>>>> what
>>>> will you say?
>>>>
>>>> I found it to be totally uncategorizeable... I heard echos of The
>>>> Beatles,
>>>> Led Zeppelin, Enya, arrangements occasionally reminiscent of Steely
Dan,
>>>> New Orleans jazz, old country blues. Whew!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>>>Well, thank you Gantt. We did, of course, expect you to love it, since
>>>> we
>>>>>do. We expect everyone to love it. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>How long? Well, it actually represents a few years of "spare time"
>>>>>interrupted by floods, remodellings, and deaths in families, including
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>very unfortunate and far too young death of our violinist. When we
>>>>>finished
>>>>
>>>>>the CD, however, I took the session logs and figured out how much time
>> we
>>>>
>>>>>actually spent in the studio. I calculated that it was about 7 months
>>
>>>>>worth
>>>>
>>>>>of work spread out over about 5 years. We were busy . . . I was in
>>>>>nursing
>>>>
>>>>>school, the other Sarah was touring the world playing flute, and Rich
>> and
>>>>
>>>>>Ryan were in other bands and teaching.
>>>>>
>>>>>We're cruising on #2, though. Already have about half the demos done.
>>>> I
>>>>>expect the new CD out this fall, tentatively titled "Angel Food."
>>>>>
>>>>>We're in Portland OR. And . . . at the urging of my fellow bandmates,
>> I
>>>>
>>>>>have agreed to start rehearsals for some live gigs. I don't know about
>>>> "the
>>>>>road," but we'll definitely do some "shows" here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, "Chopsticks For Enya." I think Enya should hear that. She might
>>
>>>>>like
>>>>
>>>>>it. It's a loving parody. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you again, Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>8 cents a mile?. Where on earth did you come up with that Bill?. Include the
amount of bluebook devaluation *per mile*, gasoline, schedulled maintenance,
tire wear, cosmetic damage due to normal road grime and hazards like rock
damage to windshields, dent's to side panels in parking lots, etc. and it
really adds up to much more.
Regards,
Deej
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:465066fd@linux...
> And dig, it only cost 2 cents a mile to run. Most cars are around 8 cents,
> so you can save there.
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> At a base price of $92k ( fully loaded $101,425), they've got a ways to
>> go to sell many of them, even with all the incentives. Still I like
>> where it's headed and that sure is a sharp looking 'geek' ride. 248 Peak
>> HP ain't bad, and at over 200 ft/lbs of torque flatlines from 0 to 6000+
>> RPM, it would leave a few black marks on the pavement I'm thinking.
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6609@linux...
>>> I was getting all excited, but now i see that I'm naive to even hope
>>> that a smart scientist can dream up a way to get hydrogen out of water
>>> economically.
>>>
>>> Hey, did you guys see the Tesla Motors car. It's frickin' awesome:
>>> http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1
>>>
>>> 0-60 in 4 seconds. Instant torque. I want one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> steve wrote:
>>>> seems to me he's just passing the electricity buck.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is to get power t
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and
>>>> oxygen.
>>>> He's just moved the process from a most likely more efficient power
>>>> plant
>>>> right into a 350 pound pile of rocks in your car. Two conversions
>>>> instead
>>>> of one, undoubtedly more inefficient, to save the trouble of creating a
>>>> hydrogen
>>>> infrastructure. Maybe good. Maybe not.
>>>>
>>>> The other problem with hydrogen, namely it's tendency to leak right
>>>> through
>>>> seals and hoses, would still remain.
>>>>
>>>> Very interesting story. I wish I could get enthused about it...
>>>>
>>>> -steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I don't know about climbing hills, but I do know the city of Lansing
>>>>> Mi.
>>>> has
>>>>> been using hydrogen powered buses and trucks since 1975.
>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Bush and his oil buddies won't like this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18700750/
>>>>>> Oh yeah, and that's why both Bushe brothers continually veto the
>>>>>> building of new oil platforms...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this guy has a long way to go before his idea is credible.
>>>>>> Blaming it on egos is a bad start....
>>>>>> shows real promise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He has not spoken of how much hydrogen his device puts out,
>>>>>> and remember, it is only 40% as powerful as gasoline per volume
>>>>>> so your car will lose a lot of its power. Remember also, this
>>>>>> weaker car now has to pull you and your family up the hill to
>>>>>> Las Vegas... Can it produce enough hydrogen on demand to pull
>>>>>> this off?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the cost per mile of gallium and aluminum refills?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How far does the tank take you without a refill?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, I am not impressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:58:45 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>.............circa' 1964-'65............for the family album. We even had a
>sicko' "punky" kinda' name.
>
>LOL!!!
>
Cool. Update will be coming later this evening.
pab"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Hmm . . . well, I'm not assuming any of those things that you assume I'm
>assuming.
Of course you are. It is implicit in the points you made.
for instance, when you say "are you safer now?" you imply there
is a way to be safer. If not, then you accept that we are about
as "safe" as we were. I call that a win, given the death of
Saddam and the birth of democracy in Iraq. If there is a way
to be safer, you have not offered it.
No stereotypes here, just the consequences of your own
statements.
DC
Do you think Elton John would wear a Burqua???Yes, it's me with yet another saga in my seemingly endless
metal band odyssey. lol Here's the link... enjoy.
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Sedation2ndMixMP3.mp3> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a war
against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
theocratic caliphate on the free world.
> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
> bore.
We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come to
think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we get in
return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
thought of.
Rich
'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.' -
Winston Churchill
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
> It was too early when I wrote that.
>
> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. I
> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
> you dig?
>
> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish him
> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them, and
> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on us.
> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
> pathetic.>
Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er lives.
>
> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone ever
try?
>
> Bill
>
>
> Rich Lamanna wrote:
> > Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
> > constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
Unfortunately
> > the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I hold
> > dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
> > theocratic rubbish upon us.
> >
> > Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
> > Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a
> > search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
> > automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
children.
> > But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
no,
> > despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
practicing
> > for violent Jihad.
> >
> > Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
> > incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
> > "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the
DC
> > "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to
the
> > group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
Pearl
> > was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
> > interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
> >
> > http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
> >
> > What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
> > Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
of
> > religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
to
> > exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better keep
an
> > eye on these guys.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
> >
> >
> > "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
news:464d8d4f@linux...
> >> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
> >> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
> >>
> >> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
> >>
> >> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
> >> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for all
> >> one's own freedoms are increased.
> >>
> >> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
> >> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
> >> There is no other price actually.”
> >> — L. RON HUBBARD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich Lamanna wrote:
> >>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
Why
> > the
> >>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
> >>>
> >>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
> >>>
> >>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
in
> > its
> >>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
> >>>
> >>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
> >>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
> >>>
> >>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
> > and
> >>> hated
> >>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it
> > costs
> >>> nothing
> >>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
> >>>
> >>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
> >>> timid."
> >>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
> >>>
> >>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
> > brave."
> >>> -- Ronald Reagan
> >>>
> >>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
the
> >>> active,
> >>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
> >>>
> >>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home of
> >>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
> >>>
> >>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> >>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." --
> >>> Winston Churchill
> >>>
> >>> Guidance,
> >>> Rich
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >Bravo, Bill! I couldn't agree with you more!!! It's going to take people
like you and I actually getting involved to change this kind of idiotic stuff.
James
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>
> 1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever
>it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake
>complicated immigration reform proposals.
> 2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa
>holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates
>U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of
>9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
> 3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are
>in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking
>our laws.
> 4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed
>immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But
>taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals,
>clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
> 5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
>their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the
>U.S. illegally will remain strong.
> 6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent
>and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million
>more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation.
> This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the
>same rules and waiting periods.
>
>
>Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
>something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own
>country. Just because you don't like your house does not give you a
>right to sneak into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this
>issue and we need to decide to handle it.
>
>BillDeej, Koresh should have gotten a gig and went on the road, would have saved
him a barrel of trouble. Someone comes to my house and shoots my pups
there's gonna be hell to pay. We're all goin' down.
Rich
'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.'
- Winston Churchill
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:464de593$1@linux...
> Hey Paul,
>
> Here's a little something to think about.
>
> http://www.serendipity.li/waco/moore1.html
>
> One of my good friends went to high school with Vernon Howell (a/k/a David
> Koresh). My friend was a great guitar player, and Vernon was always
hanging
> out with him trying to cop some licks. They weren't really good friends or
> anything but fairly well acquainted and my friend said that he wasn't some
> demonic wanker or anything like that.
>
> there's lots of wacko's in Waco.......it's home to Baylor University and
> Jessica/Ashley Simpson fer chrissake!!! Some of my family members attended
> Baylor and they are now liberal Democrat lawyers so I can attest to the
> wacko factor.
>
> Now if a bunch of guys came up to your door in black stormtrooper uniforms
> and the first thing they did was shoot your dog, and the second thing they
> did was shoot you and a member of your family........would you be disposed
> to just let them in?
>
> Not me dude.
>
> Regards,
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:bmmr43paj5r0d5b6kgbqtd25mmhstnsh2m@4ax.com...
> > If he was so innocent, why did he feel compelled to shoot at the Feds
> > when they came to arrest him and kill 4 of them. Paranoia? That logic
> > would turn Paris Hilton into Bonnie Parker!
> >
> > Should we assume everyone massing a stockpile of weapons is only a
> > danger to himself and not potentially to society?
> >
> > - Paul
> >
> > On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:29 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
> > <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Paul, I beg to differ with you. Really you've got to be kidding,
> >>justifying
> >>and rationalizing the actions that Sterno and the Clintonistas taken
here.
> >>This incident could have been averted. I agree Koresh was a whack job,
but
> >>Christian or otherwise, what were they guilty of, they weren't bothering
> >>anyone and they were legally authorized to trade arms, though it
appeared
> >>that they weren't following protocol. To get back to the point, Koresh
> >>hadn't threatened anyone, he may have been a danger to himself and the
> >>others in the compound but unlike the huge network of Jihadists all over
> >>the
> >>world today, Koresh was a lone nut job.
> >>
> >>Rich
> >>
> >>
> >>"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>news:1rbr43djm2h7j63n2tvhtbbdedq08rj0b8@4ax.com...
> >>> Rich -
> >>>
> >>> Considering the events that ensued, I think the Feds' suspicions were
> >>> correct. Interesting that you put the entire blame on the Feds for the
> >>> final result. I, for one, am glad that Koresh and his collection of
> >>> whackjobs are closer to God now, though it is a shame that THEY choose
> >>> to take many innocents with them.
> >>>
> >>> Calling the Davidians Christians is like calling GWB eloquent.
> >>>
> >>> - Paul Artola
> >>> Ellicott City, Maryland
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:51:46 -0500, "Rich Lamanna"
> >>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
> >>> >Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
a
> >>> >search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
> >>> >automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
> >>children.
> >>> >But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh
God
> >>no,
> >>> >despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
> >>practicing
> >>> >for violent Jihad.
> >>>
> >>> (snip)
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being
> >>> >Christians.
> >>>
> >>> (snip)
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >Rich
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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Good point! As you say, go figure.
Rich
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:464ddbf0@linux...
The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far =
left in this country slag the only administration that is willing to =
fight for their right to slag the administration. The =
leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first to =
be slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the =
policies of this administration.
go figure.
;o}
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
news:464dc9f4@linux...
Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It =
astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses for =
Islamic extremist violence and fascism while at the same time condemn =
those democratic and freedom loving people, who reserve the right to =
defend themselves against such attacks.
Rich
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
news:464dc442@linux...
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
news:464da14d@linux...
> Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd been =
treating=20
> terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's always =
been=20
> instead of as a pretense for war,=20
.........now if they would just build an asprin factory there, we =
could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like most of the people =
there are black so this would be PC.
flourishing nests of fanatical morons like=20
> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire, I'm with =
you, but I=20
> hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for the last =
four years=20
> has done anything but fan the flames.
>=20
there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons Sarah.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp
> Some alternative quotations:
>=20
> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up the =
war-cry, and=20
> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open =
his mouth;=20
> and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the statesmen =
will invent=20
> cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, =
and every=20
> man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and =
will diligently=20
> study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and =
thus he will=20
> by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank =
God for the=20
> better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque =
self-deception." -=20
> Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
Mark Twain also said "Get your facts first, and then you can =
distort them as much as you please".
>=20
> "In the councils of government, we must guard against the =
acquisition of=20
> unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the=20
> military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous =
rise of=20
> misplaced power exists and will persist.
Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible things in =
my life, some of which actually happened"
>=20
> We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our =
liberties or=20
> democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only =
an alert and=20
> knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the =
huge industrial=20
> and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and =
goals, so=20
> that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight D. =
Eisenhower,=20
> 1961
Deej also said "An alert and knowledgable citizenry depends upon =
an alert and knowldegable CIA"=20
> "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great =
numbers of=20
> our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or =
are those=20
> illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? =
One thing is=20
> certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be =
allowed if it=20
> results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters." =
- Ronald=20
> Reagan
I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce any =
identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my own personal =
health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying vehicle insurance is =
such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked =
living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live. If =
I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in jail. If I =
have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me in jail. I =
know these things for a fact. Pisses me off.
>=20
> "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a =
Frenchman; you can go=20
> to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a =
Greek, or=20
> whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to =
live in=20
> America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote Reagan. =
Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra Show? How about the =
way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the inner cities? Ollie North =
one of your heroes?=20
>=20
> "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to =
the manger=20
> even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do =
not admit that=20
> right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been =
done to the=20
> Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do =
not admit that=20
> a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a =
stronger race, a=20
> higher-grade race has come in and taken their place." - Winston =
Churchill=20
> (who apparently never said that thing about liberal/conservative =
heart/brain=20
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112 =
)
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bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could find a =
way to challenge the title to this land, then we could pass a law that =
handed Islamberg over to the Senecas and they would kick their asses out =
of there in a heartbeat and set up a casino.
=20
> "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
"I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes of =
intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30 to 8.00 to =
educate America. They couldn't educate America if they started at =
6:30".-Groucho Marx
>>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson
"When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes a =
disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
>=20
> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife and kids. =
Eat=20
> them!" - Homer Simpson
>=20
> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest sign from =
Simpsons=20
> episode
"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>=20
> Courage,
> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I =
would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a =
quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
;o)
>=20
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message=20
> news:464ce932@linux...
>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the =
flames. Why=20
>> the
>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>
>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>
>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell =
Phillips
>>
>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be =
vigilant in=20
>> its
>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>
>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement =
outside a
>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>
>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and =
brave, and
>> hated
>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for =
then it=20
>> costs
>> nothing
>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>
>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak =
or the
>> timid."
>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>
>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
the=20
>> brave."
>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>
>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the =
vigilant, the
>> active,
>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>
>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the =
home of
>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>
>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a =
brain." --=20
>> Winston Churchill
>>
>> Guidance,
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>=20
>=20
>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Good point! As you say, go figure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The thing that has always intrigued =
me is how the=20
folks on the far left in this country slag the only administration =
that is=20
willing to fight for their right to slag the administration. The=20
leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first =
to be=20
slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in defeating the =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go figure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o}</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well =
written.=20
It astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make excuses =
for=20
Islamic extremist violence and fascism while at the same time=20
condemn those democratic and freedom loving people, =
who=20
reserve the right to defend themselves against such =
attacks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:464dc442@linux">news:464dc442@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Sarah" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>sarahjane@sarahtonin.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote in message </FONT><A href=3D"news:464da14d@linux"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>news:464da14d@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Surely this doesn't surprise =
you . . .=20
? Perhaps if we'd been treating <BR>> terrorism as the=20
international criminal problem that it's always been <BR>> =
instead of=20
as a pretense for war, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>.........now if they would just =
build an=20
asprin factory there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. =
Looks like=20
most of the people there are black so this would be =
PC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>flourishing nests of fanatical =
morons like=20
<BR>> this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the =
fire, I'm=20
with you, but I <BR>> hope you don't think what we've been =
doing in=20
Iraq for the last four years <BR>> has done anything but fan =
the=20
flames.<BR>> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>there are lots of flourishing =
nests of=20
fanatical morons Sarah.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D" http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp"><=
FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp</=
FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> Some alternative =
quotations:<BR>>=20
<BR>> "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up =
the=20
war-cry, and <BR>> shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man =
who=20
ventures to open his mouth; <BR>> and presently such mouths =
will cease=20
to open. Next the statesmen will invent <BR>> cheap lies, =
putting the=20
blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every <BR>> man =
will be=20
glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently =
<BR>>=20
study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and =
thus he=20
will <BR>> by and by convince himself that the war is just, and =
will=20
thank God for the <BR>> better sleep he enjoys after this =
process of=20
grotesque self-deception." - <BR>> Mark Twain, from The =
Mysterious=20
Stranger</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "Get your =
facts first,=20
and then you can distort them as much as you please".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "In the =
councils of=20
government, we must guard against the acquisition of <BR>> =
unwarranted=20
influence, whether sought or unsought, by the <BR>> =
military-industrial=20
complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of <BR>> =
misplaced power=20
exists and will persist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Twain also said "I have been =
throught=20
some terrible things in my life, some of which actually=20
happened"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> We must never =
let the=20
weight of this combination endanger our liberties or <BR>> =
democratic=20
processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and =
<BR>>=20
knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge=20
industrial <BR>> and military machinery of defense with our =
peaceful=20
methods and goals, so <BR>> that security and liberty may =
prosper=20
together." - Dwight D. Eisenhower, <BR>> 1961</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej also said "An alert and =
knowledgable=20
citizenry depends upon an alert and knowldegable CIA" =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> "...it makes one wonder =
about the=20
illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of <BR>> our unemployed =
really=20
victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those <BR>> =
illegal=20
tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is =
<BR>> certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should =
be=20
allowed if it <BR>> results in crops rotting in the fields for =
lack of=20
harvesters." - Ronald <BR>> Reagan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with this. I also think I =
should not=20
have to produce any identification, pay taxes and the ER here =
should be my=20
own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay. Paying =
vehicle=20
insurance is such a pain in the ass, I shouldn't have to do hqat =
either. I=20
also liked living in Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got =
there and=20
live. If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in =
jail.=20
If I have a wreck down there without insurance, they will throw me =
in=20
jail. I know these things for a fact. Pisses me=20
off.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "You can go to =
live in=20
France, but you cannot become a Frenchman; you can go <BR>> to =
live in=20
Germany, you cannot become a German- or a Turk, or a Greek, or =
<BR>>=20
whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to =
live in=20
<BR>> America and become an American." - more Ronald=20
Reagan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it's sooooo cool when =
people who are=20
liberal quote Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy =
the Contra=20
Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in the =
inner=20
cities? Ollie North one of your heroes? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> "I do not =
agree that the=20
dog in a manger has the final right to the manger <BR>> even =
though he=20
may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that =
<BR>>=20
right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been =
done to=20
the <BR>> Red Indians of America or the black people of =
Australia. I do=20
not admit that <BR>> a wrong has been done to these people by =
the fact=20
that a stronger race, a <BR>> higher-grade race has come in and =
taken=20
their place." - Winston Churchill <BR>> (who apparently never =
said that=20
thing about liberal/conservative heart/brain <BR>> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
</FONT></A><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2> )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll bet if we just got a few =
lawyers=20
involved, they could find a way to challenge the title to this =
land, then=20
we could pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas=20
and they would kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat =
and set=20
up a casino.<BR> <BR>> "Religion poisons everything." -=20
Christopher Hitchens</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I read in the newspapers they =
are going to=20
have 30 minutes of intellectual stuff on television every Monday =
from 7.30=20
to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America if they =
started=20
at 6:30".-Groucho Marx<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>>Patriotism is the last =
refuge of a=20
scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0>=93When we have lost everything, including =
hope, life=20
becomes a disgrace, and death a duty."-</FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><FONT =
face=3DVerdana size=3D2>W.C.=20
Fields</FONT></FONT><BR>> <BR>> "Oh, my God! Space aliens! =
Don't eat=20
me! I have a wife and kids. Eat <BR>> them!" - Homer =
Simpson</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>> <BR>> "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - =
anti-immigrant=20
protest sign from Simpsons <BR>> episode</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, =
Jr.<BR><BR>>=20
<BR>> Courage,<BR>> Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . =
..=20
)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"I thoroughly disapprove of =
duels. If a man=20
should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by =
the hand=20
and lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark =
Twain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
</FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>> "Rich Lamanna" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>richard.lamanna@verizon.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote in message <BR>> </FONT><A =
href=3D"news:464ce932@linux"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>news:464ce932@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>...<BR>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, =
you can all=20
fan the flames. Why <BR>>> the<BR>>> heck not welcome =
some=20
more illegals.<BR>>><BR>>> </FONT><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm"><FON=
T=20
face=3DArial=20
=
size=3D2>http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm</FON=
T></A><BR><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>>><BR>>> "Eternal vigilance is =
the price of=20
liberty." -- Wendell Phillips<BR>>><BR>>> "No man is =
entitled=20
to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in <BR>>>=20
its<BR>>> preservation." -- General Douglas=20
MacArthur<BR>>><BR>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." =
--=20
posted as an announcement outside a<BR>>> Unitarian Church =
in Texas=20
on Sept. 17, 2001<BR>>><BR>>> "In the beginning of a =
change=20
the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and<BR>>> =
hated<BR>>>=20
and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then =
it=20
<BR>>> costs<BR>>> nothing<BR>>> to be a =
patriot." --=20
Mark Twain<BR>>><BR>>> "History does not long entrust =
the care=20
of freedom to the weak or the<BR>>> timid."<BR>>> -- =
Dwight D.=20
Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, =
1953<BR>>><BR>>>=20
"The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs =
to the=20
<BR>>> brave."<BR>>> -- Ronald =
Reagan<BR>>><BR>>>=20
"The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the =
vigilant,=20
the<BR>>> active,<BR>>> the brave." -- Patrick=20
Henry<BR>>><BR>>> "The land of the free will cease to =
be when=20
it's no longer the home of<BR>>> the brave."-- Rick=20
Gaber<BR>>><BR>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal =
doesn't=20
have a heart,<BR>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a =
conservative=20
doesn't have a brain." -- <BR>>> Winston=20
Churchill<BR>>><BR>>> Guidance,<BR>>>=20
Rich<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C79B22.57761BE0--John, it is called intellectual property. He invented it and should be able
to patent the device and make a living off of his intellectual property. I
just love capitalism.
Rich
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:464eea77@linux...
>
> Why not just release every single detail in a very public way and save the
> world?Does anybody have the old Paris Demo version that was on their site? The one
that loaded up the Paris Gui with no hardware or functionality, but so that
you could at least have a look around and see how it "felt"?
If so, could you shoot it to my email above?
Thanks,
Kim.What the hell do you do? Poor little guy is just hopping around
while mom and dad squawk. Home appears to be 30 feet up a cypress?
Ideas??
Thanks
DCfrom:
http://www.wildbirdrehab.org/911.html#fbb
FOUND A BABY BIRD:
• If the young bird is hopping and running away from you, leave it be. His
parents will find him.
• If he is in immediate danger of outdoor pets, scoop him up and put in
a nearby bush or shrub out of harm's way.
• If you find a baby with little or no feathers and you know where the nest
is, then return the bird to its' nest.
• If the baby/fledgling is cold to the touch, take it inside to warm before
placing back in the nest.
• Nestle the bird in a warm towel or use a hot water bottle with a towel
between the bird and the bottle.
• Place the bird in a warm dark, quiet place away from children and pets.
• Do not attempt to feed baby birds or fledglings.
• If you cannot find the nest or the bird appears to be sick, injured or
your pet brought the bird home still alive, then click the Wild Bird Rehabilitation
contact information.
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>What the hell do you do? Poor little guy is just hopping around
>while mom and dad squawk. Home appears to be 30 feet up a cypress?
>
>
>Ideas??
>
>Thanks
>
>DC
>This is what I know about it, which isn't much. What ever you do don't handle
the birds, the parents will abandon them if they have human sent on them.
If they are around bushes or under something the parents will feed them
on the ground. Try to keep cats and dogs away. There's not much you can
do about raccoons.
That's about all i can say. Good luck!
James
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>What the hell do you do? Poor little guy is just hopping around
>while mom and dad squawk. Home appears to be 30 feet up a cypress?
>
>
>Ideas??
>
>Thanks
>
>DC
>Good stuff. The little guy has very few feathers, but lots of
attitude...
I found this:
http://www.wildliferescueinc.org/tips.htm#Baby%20Birds
and since he cannot fly at all, and can barely hop around, we
made a nest for him out of a box and wire-tied it up in a tree.
It's covered in dry grass inside, and he settled down pretty quick
when he got in there. Now, when he gets hungry, he can squawk
for mom and dad and hopefull they will feed him.
He was nice and warm BTW.
yipes!
cute little guy. I hope he makes it.
thanks
DC
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>from:
>http://www.wildbirdrehab.org/911.html#fbb
>
>FOUND A BABY BIRD:
> • If the young bird is hopping and running away from you, leave it be.
His
>parents will find him.
> • If he is in immediate danger of outdoor pets, scoop him up and put in
>a nearby bush or shrub out of harm's way.
> • If you find a baby with little or no feathers and you know where the
nest
>is, then return the bird to its' nest.
> • If the baby/fledgling is cold to the touch, take it inside to warm before
>placing back in the nest.
> • Nestle the bird in a warm towel or use a hot water bottle with a towel
>between the bird and the bottle.
> • Place the bird in a warm dark, quiet place away from children and pets.
> • Do not attempt to feed baby birds or fledglings.
> • If you cannot find the nest or the bird appears to be sick, injured or
>your pet brought the bird home still alive, then click the Wild Bird Rehabilitation
>contact information.
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>What the hell do you do? Poor little guy is just hopping around
>>while mom and dad squawk. Home appears to be 30 feet up a cypress?
>>
>>
>>Ideas??
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>DC
>>
>> Ideas??
>
> Thanks
>
> DC
>
Like all game birds, roast baby blue jays have succulent juices that should
not go to waste. In this recipe, every drop is captured in rice that has
been cooked in chicken broth, then tossed with diced fresh mango and chopped
cilantro.
4 whole baby jays, about 1/4 pound each, neck and wing tips removed
Coarse salt and freshly ground black pepper
1/4 cup hot red pepper jelly
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
1 teaspoon fresh lime juice
Lime wedges
Preheat the oven to 450 degrees. Adjust the rack to the middle of the oven.
Remove necks and wing tips and pat the birds dry inside and out with paper
towels. Discard any excess fat. Rub the flesh and cavities with salt and
pepper. Put the birds in a roasting pan breast side up.
Roast for 15 minutes. Reduce the heat to 350 degrees and continue roasting
for another 18 to 20 minutes, or until the juices run a rosy color when the
meat is poked with a fork.
While the birds are roasting, soften the red pepper jelly in a small pan
over medium heat. Stir in the ginger and lime juice. Generously brush the
glaze on the birds during the last 2 or 3 minutes of roasting time.
Serve the birds on a mound of rice. Serves 1.
This works for lost kittens and puppies too.....
;o}That's what I thought too. but evidently it is an old-wives tale.
-----
It’s a myth that the parents of a wild bird will reject a baby
touched by human hands. The fact is birds have almost no
sense of smell.
----
http://www.wildliferescueinc.org/tips.htm#Baby%20Birds
DC
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>This is what I know about it, which isn't much. What ever you do don't handle
>the birds, the parents will abandon them if they have human sent on them.
> If they are around bushes or under something the parents will feed them
>on the ground. Try to keep cats and dogs away. There's not much you can
>do about raccoons.
>
>That's about all i can say. Good luck!
>
>James
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>What the hell do you do? Poor little guy is just hopping around
>>while mom and dad squawk. Home appears to be 30 feet up a cypress?
>>
>>
>>Ideas??
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>DC
>>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Like all game birds, roast baby blue jays have succulent juices that should
>not go to waste.
ahhh comovahheaah!
Yeah, there ya go, noogies, noogies for DJ!
at least ten noogies for you...
<grin>
DCHi Dimitrios,
I enjoy following your activity. You and Deej have been the resident
mad scientists of PARIS for a long time and your efforts have been
read and appreciated by me. And now... with Deej out there in
whateversville, you're it.
I run a couple of dual MEC PARIS rigs on 98SE, they're solid and I
don't bother with mods. I also run a couple of native Samplitude
rigs.. Your posts have led me to consider combining one of each into
a hybrid... perhaps. Probably not, though, as I both of my systems
already sound great.
Your hot rodding activity is amazing to me.
Peace - Don.
On 20 May 2007 05:07:57 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under XP
>thing did not quite interested anyone !!
>I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help from
>my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
>Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ achieved
>the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec system.
>Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
>OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to rphrase
>I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and keep
>whatever I do to myself.
>Do I sound pissed off ?
>Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
>Regards,
>Dimitrios"DMorrell" <don@toneworks.com> wrote in message
news:fv1253l0170e4pd20m8euk12lh89equ94a@4ax.com...
> Hi Dimitrios,
>
> And now... with Deej out there in
> whateversville, you're it.
I wussed out. I was getting scared to go into my machine room. Sometimes at
night I could hear shings slithering around in there and bumping against the
door tryin to get out.
;o)
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:46510bb2$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>>Like all game birds, roast baby blue jays have succulent juices that
>>should
>
>>not go to waste.
>
>
> ahhh comovahheaah!
>
> Yeah, there ya go, noogies, noogies for DJ!
>
> at least ten noogies for you...
>
> <grin>
>
> DC
>
;oDPull the drive and smash it with a hammer. That way you know for sure what's
what. It's what I do in these situations.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I've got an old Dell laptop here that I used for a few years. It's had a
>number of things on the HD over time, including some work files with
>confidential info (noting that could ever be used by anyone really, but
>needs to be wipedd nonetheless. Will formatting do this? I have heard that
>ther4e are some *wipe* proggies that will basically render any data
>unrecoverable short of the stuff that NSA uses.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses Paris
on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I
still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and
this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've
ever seen.
Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge
just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT cards.
2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I never
have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of the
way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so
slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine
tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP
drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT
cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's just
turn it on and go.
I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for some
reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys DO
talk nice to your gear, don't you?
Regards,
Brian T
Dimitrios wrote:
> Hi,
> I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under XP
> thing did not quite interested anyone !!
> I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help from
> my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
> Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ achieved
> the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec system.
> Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
> OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to rphrase
> I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and keep
> whatever I do to myself.
> Do I sound pissed off ?
> Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
> Regards,
> DimitriosThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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You're killing me.
T.
"BT" <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote in message news:465135cf$1@linux...
Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses =
Paris=20
on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I =
still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and=20
this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've=20
ever seen.
Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge=20
just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT =
cards.=20
2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I =
never=20
have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of =
the=20
way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so=20
slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine=20
tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP=20
drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT =
cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's =
just=20
turn it on and go.
I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for =
some=20
reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys =
DO=20
talk nice to your gear, don't you?
Regards,
Brian T
Dimitrios wrote:
> Hi,
> I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards =
under XP
> thing did not quite interested anyone !!
> I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some =
help from
> my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
> Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ =
achieved
> the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec =
system.
> Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
> OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to =
rphrase
> I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience =
and keep
> whatever I do to myself.
> Do I sound pissed off ?
> Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You're killing me.</FONT></DIV>
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Ya'll........... from Texas.<BR><BR>Well, well, it appears that Brian =
T is=20
still alive and still uses Paris <BR>on a regular basis, despite what =
you may=20
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9 ADAT=20
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MEC. I=20
never <BR>have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris =
because of=20
the <BR>way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s =
so=20
<BR>slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were =
fine=20
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XP=20
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------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C79B4F.9FE030A0--Hi Brian,
Glad to see you are alive and kickin' using Paris in every day basis !!
I will be gathering all my own and other findings in a nice post to do
our regular homework with Paris just before summer comes :)
I am not a pusher in any way but have you had the time to listen to my
song Morgan has sent you ("When you call my name" )?
I would love a quick reply even if it is nothing special to you.
With regards,
Dimitrios
BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
>
>Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses Paris
>on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I
>still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and
>this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've
>ever seen.
>
>Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge
>just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
>
>I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT cards.
>2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I never
>have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of the
>way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so
>slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine
>tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP
>drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
>
>The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT
>cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's just
> turn it on and go.
>
>I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for some
>reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys DO
>talk nice to your gear, don't you?
>
>Regards,
>Brian T
>
>Dimitrios wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under
XP
>> thing did not quite interested anyone !!
>> I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help
from
>> my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
>> Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ achieved
>> the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec system.
>> Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
>> OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to rphrase
>> I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and
keep
>> whatever I do to myself.
>> Do I sound pissed off ?
>> Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
>> Regards,
>> Dimitriosand you probably still don't need an umbrella when it rains. ;o)
On Mon, 21 May 2007 00:55:17 -0500, BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
>
>Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses Paris
>on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I
>still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and
>this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've
>ever seen.
>
>Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge
>just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
>
>I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT cards.
>2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I never
>have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of the
>way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so
>slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine
>tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP
>drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
>
>The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT
>cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's just
> turn it on and go.
>
>I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for some
>reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys DO
>talk nice to your gear, don't you?
>
>Regards,
>Brian T
>
>Dimitrios wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under XP
>> thing did not quite interested anyone !!
>> I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help from
>> my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
>> Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ achieved
>> the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec system.
>> Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
>> OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to rphrase
>> I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and keep
>> whatever I do to myself.
>> Do I sound pissed off ?
>> Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
>> Regards,
>> DimitriosDC, you're a gem . . . DJ, you're a maniac, but really f'ing funny. :)
S
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:465112de@linux...
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:46510bb2$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Like all game birds, roast baby blue jays have succulent juices that
>>>should
>>
>>>not go to waste.
>>
>>
>> ahhh comovahheaah!
>>
>> Yeah, there ya go, noogies, noogies for DJ!
>>
>> at least ten noogies for you...
>>
>> <grin>
>>
>> DC
>>
>
> ;oD
>Bill,
You left out one very important part . . . John already pretty much said
it . . . just enforce the laws we already have against hiring them. Why do
we look the other way on this? (rhetorical question . . .we know why, but
it's gotta stop)
S
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4650ab70@linux...
>
> 1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it
> takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated
> immigration reform proposals.
> 2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders
> and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.
> This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11
> terrorists had expired visas.
> 3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in
> our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our
> laws.
> 4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants
> who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers
> should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools,
> roads, and social services.
> 5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
> their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S.
> illegally will remain strong.
> 6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and
> unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more
> immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is
> insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules
> and waiting periods.
>
>
> Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
> something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own country.
> Just because you don't like your house does not give you a right to sneak
> into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this issue and we need
> to decide to handle it.
>
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Dude, that just sounds completely wacky to me. I'm sure you have good =
reasons for believing that, but it just don't make no sense to me. =
Besides, I think the Clarkes (Richard and Gen Wesley) would disagree =
with you, and I think they might know something.
You seriously like Ron Paul? I do. He talks like what my Republican =
parents taught me Republicans were all about, even if he seems mildly =
dingy at times. I'd vote for him over all those other sound bite dorks =
at the "debates," and over most of the dems, too.
S
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
news:46509cbf$1@linux...
I definitely believe this. The whole reason we are in Iraq and =
Afghanistan right now is because of Clinton's criminal ineptitude. You =
can be assured that I believe that clinton was, without a doubt, "^The =
worst" president in american history, bar none.
;o)
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
news:465015b5$1@linux...
Sorry, I don't believe you. I'm sure you're making a point, but I =
don't believe you really think that.
Sorry. :)
SJB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
news:464f1633@linux...
"
Here's what I think history will tell us: this was the most =
corrupt and destructive administration in US history, and the damage =
they did took years to recover from. (I'm optimistic)
Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Naaaa! :)
S
I think that theis perfectly describes the Clinton =
administration.
go figure......
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He talks like what my Republican parents taught me Republicans were =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I definitely believe this. The whole =
reason we=20
are in Iraq and Afghanistan right now is because of Clinton's criminal =
ineptitude. You can be assured that I believe that clinton was, =
without a=20
doubt, "^The worst" president in american history, bar =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Sarah" <<A=20
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=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry, I don't believe you. =
I'm sure=20
you're making a point, but I don't believe you really think=20
that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry. :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SJB</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Naaaa! :)</FONT></DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C79B50.8FCD3DB0--Hmm . . . sounds more like the consequences of what you believe is implicit
in my statements. So, like I said, you're assuming assumptions not in
evidence.
And, yes, Elton John would wear a burqa, but he would drop the veil before
he sang.
SJB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4650cca3$1@linux...
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> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>Hmm . . . well, I'm not assuming any of those things that you assume I'm
>
>>assuming.
>
> Of course you are. It is implicit in the points you made.
>
> for instance, when you say "are you safer now?" you imply there
> is a way to be safer. If not, then you accept that we are about
> as "safe" as we were. I call that a win, given the death of
> Saddam and the birth of democracy in Iraq. If there is a way
> to be safer, you have not offered it.
>
> No stereotypes here, just the consequences of your own
> statements.
>
> DC
>
> Do you think Elton John would wear a Burqua???This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Deej, looking at your fake url handle thingy, "www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com" =
and just gotta share this:
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"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message =
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> On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:58:45 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
> wrote:
>=20
>>.............circa' 1964-'65............for the family album. We even =
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>>sicko' "punky" kinda' name.
>>
>>LOL!!!=20
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> Cool. Update will be coming later this evening.
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> pab
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"W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote in message
news:46517d11@linux...
Deej, looking at your fake url handle thingy, "www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com" and
just gotta share this:
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:qmi1531tqq8mk1hp22d737orn0qnuj553m@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 20 May 2007 13:58:45 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
> wrote:
>
>>.............circa' 1964-'65............for the family album. We even had
>>a
>>sicko' "punky" kinda' name.
>>
>>LOL!!!
>>
>
> Cool. Update will be coming later this evening.
>
> pab
I thenk better to change to name of this site!
I thought that this is a Paris forum site,not a political site
Greets,
>
>
>Dude, that just sounds completely wacky to me. I'm sure you have good =
>reasons for believing that, but it just don't make no sense to me. =
>Besides, I think the Clarkes (Richard and Gen Wesley) would disagree =
>with you, and I think they might know something.
>
>You seriously like Ron Paul? I do. He talks like what my Republican =
>parents taught me Republicans were all about, even if he seems mildly =
>dingy at times. I'd vote for him over all those other sound bite dorks
=
>at the "debates," and over most of the dems, too.
>
>S
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
>news:46509cbf$1@linux...
> I definitely believe this. The whole reason we are in Iraq and =
>Afghanistan right now is because of Clinton's criminal ineptitude. You =
>can be assured that I believe that clinton was, without a doubt, "^The =
>worst" president in american history, bar none.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
>news:465015b5$1@linux...
> Sorry, I don't believe you. I'm sure you're making a point, but I =
>don't believe you really think that.
>
> Sorry. :)
>
> SJB
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
>news:464f1633@linux...
>
> "
> Here's what I think history will tell us: this was the most =
>corrupt and destructive administration in US history, and the damage =
>they did took years to recover from. (I'm optimistic)
>
> Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
>
> Naaaa! :)
>
> S
>
>
>
>
> I think that theis perfectly describes the Clinton =
>administration.
>
> go figure......
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I definitely believe this. The whole
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>reason we=20
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>
> ineptitude. You can be assured that I believe that clinton was, =
>without a=20
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>none.</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry, I don't believe you. =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry. :)</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SJB</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
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>administration in US=20
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>from. (I'm=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just my opinion. I could =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Naaaa! :)</FONT></DIV>
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>The old saying "Fight the cause and not the effect" applies here. They come
for jobs. Remove the jobs and they don't come. Our government is the dumbest
government I could ever have dreamed up. The will jump on a gay marriage
or a Terry Shivo (sp) case in 1 second because it gets attention instead
of addressing the key critical problems.
dumb beyond belief......I gave up watching cspan because it was so infuriating.
Back to the Daily Show.
JohnThere is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
players.
Bill L
Rich Lamanna wrote:
>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>
> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a war
> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>
>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
>> bore.
>
> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come to
> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we get in
> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
> thought of.
>
> Rich
>
> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.' -
> Winston Churchill
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>
>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. I
>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>> you dig?
>>
>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish him
>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them, and
>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on us.
>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>> pathetic.>
> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er lives.
>>
>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone ever
> try?
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
> Unfortunately
>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I hold
>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>
>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a
>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
> children.
>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
> no,
>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
> practicing
>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>
>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the
> DC
>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to
> the
>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
> Pearl
>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>
>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>
>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
> of
>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
> to
>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better keep
> an
>>> eye on these guys.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>
>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>
>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for all
>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>
>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
> Why
>>> the
>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>
>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
> in
>>> its
>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>
>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>
>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
>>> and
>>>>> hated
>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it
>>> costs
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>
>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
>>>>> timid."
>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>
>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
>>> brave."
>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>
>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
> the
>>>>> active,
>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>
>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home of
>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>
>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." --
>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>
>>>>> Guidance,
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>I actually cut and pasted this direct from Ron Paul's website. I wanted
to see what folk's reaction was before I posted the author.
I'm liking that guy.
Bill L
Sarah wrote:
> Bill,
>
> You left out one very important part . . . John already pretty much said
> it . . . just enforce the laws we already have against hiring them. Why do
> we look the other way on this? (rhetorical question . . .we know why, but
> it's gotta stop)
>
> S
>
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4650ab70@linux...
>> 1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it
>> takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated
>> immigration reform proposals.
>> 2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders
>> and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.
>> This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11
>> terrorists had expired visas.
>> 3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in
>> our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our
>> laws.
>> 4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants
>> who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers
>> should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools,
>> roads, and social services.
>> 5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
>> their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S.
>> illegally will remain strong.
>> 6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and
>> unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more
>> immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is
>> insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules
>> and waiting periods.
>>
>>
>> Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
>> something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own country.
>> Just because you don't like your house does not give you a right to sneak
>> into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this issue and we need
>> to decide to handle it.
>>
>> Bill
>
>BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
>
>Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses Paris
>on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I
>still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and
>this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've
>ever seen.
>
>Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge
>just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
>
>I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT cards.
>2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I never
>have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of the
>way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so
>slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine
>tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP
>drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
>
>The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT
>cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's just
> turn it on and go.
>
>I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for some
>reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys DO
>talk nice to your gear, don't you?
>
>Regards,
>Brian T
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>DC, you're a gem . . . DJ, you're a maniac, but really f'ing funny. :)
>
>S
Last night, mom and dad were flying over to him in his new box. Looks
good so far.
I love these Jays because they hate our cats! They will perch on the sill
and peck at a window right in the cats face for hours. Drives the felines
bats. I love it. Yesterday one of them paraded and squawked at the
cats right in front of our screen door for a good 30 minutes with both
cats sitting there frustrated out of their minds... heh heh
More Jays please...
DCHey Brian,
Good to see you're alive and well and that Paris stills figures into your
setup! Are you still running Nuendo? What DA converters are you using?
Thanks!
Gantt
BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
>
>Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses Paris
>on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I
>still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and
>this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've
>ever seen.
>
>Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge
>just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
>
>I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT cards.
>2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I never
>have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of the
>way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so
>slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine
>tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP
>drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
>
>The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT
>cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's just
> turn it on and go.
>
>I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for some
>reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys DO
>talk nice to your gear, don't you?
>
>Regards,
>Brian TRubbish. That's like not blaming the Nazis for the beer hall putsch...
It was just those few lunatics...
There's no difference in any way that matters, between the leadership of
the Mullahs in Afghanistan and the AQ's they harbored. And it was an
act of war. Period.
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
>Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
>wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
>of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
>players.
>
>Bill L
>
>
>Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>>
>> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a war
>> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
>> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>>
>>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
>>> bore.
>>
>> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come to
>> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we
get in
>> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
>> thought of.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.' -
>> Winston Churchill
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>>
>>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. I
>>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>>> you dig?
>>>
>>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
>>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish
him
>>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
>>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them, and
>>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on us.
>>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
>>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>>> pathetic.>
>> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
>>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er lives.
>>>
>>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone ever
>> try?
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
>> Unfortunately
>>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I hold
>>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>>
>>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
a
>>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>> children.
>>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
>> no,
>>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>> practicing
>>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>>
>>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the
>> DC
>>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to
>> the
>>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
>> Pearl
>>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
>>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>>
>>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
>> of
>>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
>> to
>>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better keep
>> an
>>>> eye on these guys.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
>>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for
all
>>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
>> Why
>>>> the
>>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
>> in
>>>> its
>>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside
a
>>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
>>>> and
>>>>>> hated
>>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then
it
>>>> costs
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or
the
>>>>>> timid."
>>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
>>>> brave."
>>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>> the
>>>>>> active,
>>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home
of
>>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."
--
>>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guidance,
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Hmm . . . sounds more like the consequences of what you believe is implicit
>in my statements. So, like I said, you're assuming assumptions not in
>evidence.
Waitaminute!
You said: (sarcastically)
---
Yes, clearly the world so much a better place now than 6 years ago.
I know I feel safer.
---
Which means that some other set of choices would have made us
safer, or that we spent a lot of money and killed a lot of people to
be no safer than we were.
I'm just looking to understand here.
best
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My 22 pound cat named Mel brought us a full grown Blue Jay a few days =
ago.
They stay in the woods in our back yard now.
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4651a456$1@linux...
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>DC, you're a gem . . . DJ, you're a maniac, but really f'ing funny. =
:)
>
>S
Last night, mom and dad were flying over to him in his new box. Looks
good so far. =20
I love these Jays because they hate our cats! They will perch on the =
sill
and peck at a window right in the cats face for hours. Drives the =
felines
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cats right in front of our screen door for a good 30 minutes with both
cats sitting there frustrated out of their minds... heh heh
More Jays please...
DC
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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C79B8F.6C452D50--Dear Brian,
Thanks for sharing your setup "secrets"
Are your adat cards sitting on slots 8 and 9 ?.
These are the farmost from power supply.
Also on these B,C,D,E mecs are any input output cards sitting and if so what
slots ?
Finally on mec A where on adat card is sitting was this intended to do so
or this mec refused to accept more than one Adat card ?
Any ins and outs on this Mec "A" too , slots ?
I know these are many questions but believe me they might help a lot !
Thanks for sharing.
regards,
Dimitrios
BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
>
>Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses Paris
>on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I
>still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and
>this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've
>ever seen.
>
>Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge
>just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
>
>I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT cards.
>2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I never
>have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of the
>way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so
>slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine
>tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP
>drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
>
>The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT
>cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's just
> turn it on and go.
>
>I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for some
>reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys DO
>talk nice to your gear, don't you?
>
>Regards,
>Brian T
>
>Dimitrios wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am surprised that my last attempts to solve the more adat cards under
XP
>> thing did not quite interested anyone !!
>> I thought that this was a great finding and would lead with some help
from
>> my friends to solve the adat mystery under XP !
>> Most of you say you cannot have more than one adat catd per mec, DJ achieved
>> the most two adat cards only on one mec on his eds multicard and mec system.
>> Now I managed to have two adat cards on two of the three mecs.
>> OK if all these are boring then I might loose my interest too and to rphrase
>> I might loose my interest in posting and trying to share experience and
keep
>> whatever I do to myself.
>> Do I sound pissed off ?
>> Not quite but I am asking again is anyone interested ?
>> Regards,
>> DimitriosHere in SoCal, there are two kinds of cats:
Inside-only cats
and
Dead cats (Dog food or roadkill)
Both of ours stay inside. Which makes the Jays very happy...
DC
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>My 22 pound cat named Mel brought us a full grown Blue Jay a few days =
>ago.
>
>They stay in the woods in our back yard now.
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4651a456$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
> >DC, you're a gem . . . DJ, you're a maniac, but really f'ing funny.
=
>:)
> >
> >S
>
>
> Last night, mom and dad were flying over to him in his new box. Looks
> good so far. =20
>
> I love these Jays because they hate our cats! They will perch on the
=
>sill
> and peck at a window right in the cats face for hours. Drives the =
>felines
> bats. I love it. Yesterday one of them paraded and squawked at the=20
> cats right in front of our screen door for a good 30 minutes with both
> cats sitting there frustrated out of their minds... heh heh
>
> More Jays please...
>
> DC
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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>them=20
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=
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>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
TCBAfghanistan, yes: clear connection to originators of 9/11; Iraq, no:
zero evidence then and now of even the slightest complicity in the
attacks of Sept. 01. Take your "rubbish" out with the rest of your
trash.
--chas.
On 21 May 2007 23:57:37 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Rubbish. That's like not blaming the Nazis for the beer hall putsch...
>It was just those few lunatics...
>
>There's no difference in any way that matters, between the leadership of
>the Mullahs in Afghanistan and the AQ's they harbored. And it was an
>act of war. Period.
>
>DC
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
>>Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
>
>>wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
>
>>of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
>>players.
>>
>>Bill L
>>
>>
>>Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>>>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>>>
>>> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a war
>>> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
>>> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>>>
>>>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
>>>> bore.
>>>
>>> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come to
>>> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we
>get in
>>> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
>>> thought of.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.' -
>>> Winston Churchill
>>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>>>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>>>
>>>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>>>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. I
>>>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>>>> you dig?
>>>>
>>>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
>>>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish
>him
>>>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
>>>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them, and
>>>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on us.
>>>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
>>>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>>>> pathetic.>
>>> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>>>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>>>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
>>>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>>>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er lives.
>>>>
>>>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone ever
>>> try?
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
>>> Unfortunately
>>>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I hold
>>>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
>a
>>>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>>> children.
>>>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
>>> no,
>>>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>>> practicing
>>>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the
>>> DC
>>>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to
>>> the
>>>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
>>> Pearl
>>>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
>>>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
>>> of
>>>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
>>> to
>>>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better keep
>>> an
>>>>> eye on these guys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
>>>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for
>all
>>>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
>>> Why
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
>>> in
>>>>> its
>>>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside
>a
>>>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then
>it
>>>>> costs
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or
>the
>>>>>>> timid."
>>>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
>>>>> brave."
>>>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>>> the
>>>>>>> active,
>>>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home
>of
>>>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."Hard to beat a D112. I also like Sennheiser 421's and they work in a lot
of other apps.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCBWait a minute here. Where did I say a WORD about Iraq?
Did you even read the previous posts?
amazing...
DC
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>
>Afghanistan, yes: clear connection to originators of 9/11; Iraq, no:
>zero evidence then and now of even the slightest complicity in the
>attacks of Sept. 01. Take your "rubbish" out with the rest of your
>trash.
>
>--chas.
>
>On 21 May 2007 23:57:37 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Rubbish. That's like not blaming the Nazis for the beer hall putsch...
>>It was just those few lunatics...
>>
>>There's no difference in any way that matters, between the leadership of
>>the Mullahs in Afghanistan and the AQ's they harbored. And it was an
>>act of war. Period.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
>>>Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
>>
>>>wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
>>
>>>of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
>>>players.
>>>
>>>Bill L
>>>
>>>
>>>Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>>>>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a
war
>>>> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
>>>> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>>>>
>>>>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
>>>>> bore.
>>>>
>>>> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come
to
>>>> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we
>>get in
>>>> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
>>>> thought of.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.'
-
>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>
>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>>>>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>>>>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom.
I
>>>>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>>>>> you dig?
>>>>>
>>>>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
>>>>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish
>>him
>>>>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
>>>>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them,
and
>>>>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on
us.
>>>>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
>>>>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>>>>> pathetic.>
>>>> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>>>>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>>>>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
>>>>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>>>>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er
lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone
ever
>>>> try?
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>>>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
>>>> Unfortunately
>>>>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I
hold
>>>>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>>>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>>>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
>>a
>>>>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>>>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>>>> children.
>>>>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh
God
>>>> no,
>>>>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>>>> practicing
>>>>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>>>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>>>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both
the
>>>> DC
>>>>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid
to
>>>> the
>>>>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
>>>> Pearl
>>>>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
>>>>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>>>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
>>>> of
>>>>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
>>>> to
>>>>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better
keep
>>>> an
>>>>>> eye on these guys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part
of
>>>>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for
>>all
>>>>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
>>>> Why
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
>>>> in
>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside
>>a
>>>>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then
>>it
>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak
or
>>the
>>>>>>>> timid."
>>>>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to
the
>>>>>> brave."
>>>>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> active,
>>>>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home
>>of
>>>>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
Audix D6.
Neil"Amazing" only if you don't bother to read the entire first sentence
of Bill's post to which your response began with this word "Rubbish."
What's "amazing" to me is that you're so easily amazed.
chas.
On 22 May 2007 01:24:53 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Wait a minute here. Where did I say a WORD about Iraq?
>Did you even read the previous posts?
>
>amazing...
>
>DC
>
>
>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>
>>Afghanistan, yes: clear connection to originators of 9/11; Iraq, no:
>>zero evidence then and now of even the slightest complicity in the
>>attacks of Sept. 01. Take your "rubbish" out with the rest of your
>>trash.
>>
>>--chas.
>>
>>On 21 May 2007 23:57:37 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Rubbish. That's like not blaming the Nazis for the beer hall putsch...
>>>It was just those few lunatics...
>>>
>>>There's no difference in any way that matters, between the leadership of
>>>the Mullahs in Afghanistan and the AQ's they harbored. And it was an
>>>act of war. Period.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
>>>>Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
>>>
>>>>wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
>>>
>>>>of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
>
>>>>players.
>>>>
>>>>Bill L
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>>>>>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a
>war
>>>>> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
>>>>> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
>>>>>> bore.
>>>>>
>>>>> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come
>to
>>>>> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we
>>>get in
>>>>> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
>>>>> thought of.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.'
>-
>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>>>>>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>>>>>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom.
>I
>>>>>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>>>>>> you dig?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
>>>>>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish
>>>him
>>>>>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
>>>>>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them,
>and
>>>>>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on
>us.
>>>>>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
>>>>>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>>>>>> pathetic.>
>>>>> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>>>>>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>>>>>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
>>>>>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>>>>>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er
>lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone
>ever
>>>>> try?
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>>>>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
>>>>> Unfortunately
>>>>>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I
>hold
>>>>>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>>>>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>>>>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
>>>a
>>>>>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>>>>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>>>>> children.
>>>>>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh
>God
>>>>> no,
>>>>>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>>>>> practicing
>>>>>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>>>>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>>>>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both
>the
>>>>> DC
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>>>>>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid
>to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
>>>>> Pearl
>>>>>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
>>>>>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>>>>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better
>keep
>>>>> an
>>>>>>> eye on these guys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>>>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part
>of
>>>>>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>>>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for
>>>all
>>>>>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>>>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
>>>>> Why
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside
>>>a
>>>>>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then
>>>it
>>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak
>or
>>>the
>>>>>>>>> timid."
>>>>>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to
>the
>>>>>>> brave."
>>>>>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> active,
>>>>>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home
>>>of
>>>>>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."
>>ElectroVoice RE-20 spoken here.
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On 22 May 2007 01:00:21 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCBI really like the Shure Beta 52. D112's are great also though, and if you've
been happy with it, maybe you should just stay with that, unless you can
get a music store to loan you a couple to do a shootout.
Rod
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCBClinton isn't even close to being worst. Worst is Woodrow Wilson by a mile
and pulling away. The second tier of awfulness is kind of a three way tie
in my mind, McKinley (for the Spanish American War), van Buren (who was an
excellent statesman, just a horrible president) and perhaps Zachary Taylor.
One could argue that Jefferson's second presidency was the single worst term,
but his first was such a massive success we can't put him in the bad list.
Besides, Jefferson was into hot babes and good French wine so how can I argue
with that?
Bush the Younger? Jury is still out, but the Iraq war is _by far_ the greatest
foreign policy blunder in US history. It combines the mendacity of McKinley's
war with the arrogance of Kennedy's war (I put Vietnam more on him than most)
and it's draped in the Wilsonian drivel that got us into WW I. And the US
will suffer its repercussions until long after I'm dead.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>
>I definitely believe this. The whole reason we are in Iraq and =
>Afghanistan right now is because of Clinton's criminal ineptitude. You =
>can be assured that I believe that clinton was, without a doubt, "^The =
>worst" president in american history, bar none.
>
>;o)
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message =
>news:465015b5$1@linux...
> Sorry, I don't believe you. I'm sure you're making a point, but I =
>don't believe you really think that.
>
> Sorry. :)
>
> SJB
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
>news:464f1633@linux...
>
> "
> Here's what I think history will tell us: this was the most =
>corrupt and destructive administration in US history, and the damage =
>they did took years to recover from. (I'm optimistic)
>
> Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
>
> Naaaa! :)
>
> S
>
>
>
>
> I think that theis perfectly describes the Clinton administration.
>
> go figure......
>
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><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
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><STYLE></STYLE>
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><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I definitely believe this. The whole =
>reason we are=20
>in Iraq and Afghanistan right now is because of Clinton's criminal =
>ineptitude.=20
>You can be assured that I believe that clinton was, without a doubt, =
>"^The=20
>worst" president in american history, bar none.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>;o)</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Sarah" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com">sarahjane@sarahtonin.com</A>>=
> wrote=20
> in message <A =
>href=3D"news:465015b5$1@linux">news:465015b5$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry, I don't believe you. I'm =
>sure you're=20
> making a point, but I don't believe you really think =
>that.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry. :)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SJB</FONT></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>> =
>wrote=20
> in message <A =
>href=3D"news:464f1633@linux">news:464f1633@linux</A>...</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's what I think history will
=
>tell=20
> us: this was the most corrupt and destructive administration =
>in US=20
> history, and the damage they did took years to recover from. =
>(I'm=20
> optimistic)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just my opinion. I could be =
>
> wrong.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Naaaa! :)</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think that theis perfectly =
>describes the=20
> Clinton administration.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go=20
> =
>figure......</FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE ></BLOCKQUOTE></B=
>ODY></HTML>
>
>I agree with the others, I love the Audix D6, nice punch from the start.The
Beta 52 worked great for me before, was the go-to mic, but needs to be placed
just right. Also I have used an RE-20 and a 421 with an LDC outside the Kick
with very nice results.. Not a big fan of the D112 myself.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCBI'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
Just another opinion.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCBcan't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some other
issues I was having.
Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper, where
do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
please help, I'll send candy.
mbPay attention.
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
wars
He is claiming that it was a small group within the countries that
did it, and it was not an act of war.
In the case of Afghanistan, that is clearly not the case. That is what I
said. You brought up Iraq and tried to conflate the two.
You got caught.
Now, if you want to make a case about Iraq, go ahead.
DC
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>"Amazing" only if you don't bother to read the entire first sentence
>of Bill's post to which your response began with this word "Rubbish."
>
>What's "amazing" to me is that you're so easily amazed.
>
>chas.
>
>
>
>On 22 May 2007 01:24:53 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Wait a minute here. Where did I say a WORD about Iraq?
>>Did you even read the previous posts?
>>
>>amazing...
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>>
>>>Afghanistan, yes: clear connection to originators of 9/11; Iraq, no:
>>>zero evidence then and now of even the slightest complicity in the
>>>attacks of Sept. 01. Take your "rubbish" out with the rest of your
>>>trash.
>>>
>>>--chas.
>>>
>>>On 21 May 2007 23:57:37 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rubbish. That's like not blaming the Nazis for the beer hall putsch...
>>>>It was just those few lunatics...
>>>>
>>>>There's no difference in any way that matters, between the leadership
of
>>>>the Mullahs in Afghanistan and the AQ's they harbored. And it was an
>>>>act of war. Period.
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
>>>>>Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
>>>>
>>>>>wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
>>>>
>>>>>of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
>>
>>>>>players.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>>>>>>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is
a
>>war
>>>>>> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an
Islamic
>>>>>> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big
dumb
>>>>>>> bore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come
>>to
>>>>>> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did
we
>>>>get in
>>>>>> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be
better
>>>>>> thought of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.'
>>-
>>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>>>>>>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>>>>>>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom.
>>I
>>>>>>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>>>>>>> you dig?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way
one
>>>>>>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish
>>>>him
>>>>>>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control
and
>>>>>>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them,
>>and
>>>>>>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect
on
>>us.
>>>>>>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way
they
>>>>>>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>>>>>>> pathetic.>
>>>>>> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>>>>>>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>>>>>>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people
who
>>>>>>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>>>>>>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er
>>lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone
>>ever
>>>>>> try?
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>>>>>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
>>>>>> Unfortunately
>>>>>>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and
I
>>hold
>>>>>>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>>>>>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and
Janet
>>>>>>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
>>>>a
>>>>>>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>>>>>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men,
oh
>>God
>>>>>> no,
>>>>>>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>>>>>> practicing
>>>>>>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>>>>>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>>>>>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both
>>the
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid
>>to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
>>>>>> Pearl
>>>>>>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain
an
>>>>>>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>>>>>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the
choice
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better
>>keep
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> eye on these guys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>>>>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part
>>of
>>>>>>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>>>>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms
for
>>>>all
>>>>>>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>>>>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
>>>>>> Why
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside
>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and
brave,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for
then
>>>>it
>>>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak
>>or
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>> timid."
>>>>>>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to
>>the
>>>>>>>> brave."
>>>>>>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> active,
>>>>>>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the
home
>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."
>>>
>The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt. The
ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>
> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
> TCBAre you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to a
pre?
"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>
>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>
>Just another opinion.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>>TCB
>Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre
The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source -
try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!
"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
a
>pre?
>
>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>
>>Just another opinion.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>its
>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>WOW, "inchoate"
now we have an inchoate mass of ideas on the subject.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
>thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt.
The
>ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>
>;o)
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>
>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>> TCB
>
>Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's Ghost.
But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost program.
Is there a way to :
-Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
Thanks..LaMontWhich XLR pins do you attach to pos & neg on spkr?
"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>
>Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
>made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre
>
>The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source -
>try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!
>
>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
>a
>>pre?
>>
>>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>>
>>>Just another opinion.
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>>its
>>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
>Hi Michael,
Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't see it)
in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your VST path
to that folder.
Gantt
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some other
>issues I was having.
>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper, where
>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>
>please help, I'll send candy.
>
>mb
>"ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I thenk better to change to name of this site!
>I thought that this is a Paris forum site,not a political site
>Greets,
yeah, I know what you mean, but really it has become a group
of people who actually do like each other most of the time and
usually get along despite our differences.
Being that we consider ourselves a bit of a community, we
feel free to discuss this stuff.
Which of course brings up another problem...
It's like the prison joke? You know the one where everyone
has heard all the jokes so they just give them numbers?
(I forget the rest of the joke... anyone?)
They don't TELL the jokes anymore, they just call out the
number and they are all so bored that everyone still laughs.
So, why don't we assign numbers to all the possible positions
on political issues, and just call the numbers out?
It would save a lot of typing, and hell, using Paris IS a bit like
being in prison innit?
DCSame as you would any other two wire (unbalanced) source, IE pin 2 hot pin
3 negative pin 1 unused...
"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Which XLR pins do you attach to pos & neg on spkr?
>
>
>
>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
>>made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre
>>
>>The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source
-
>>try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!
>>
>>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
>>a
>>>pre?
>>>
>>>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>>>
>>>>Just another opinion.
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>>>its
>>>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I'm a die-hard RE-20 user w/ an occasional D12e for some extra "woomph".
I did use a buddy's Yamaha Sub-Kick once and it was very cool (in conjunction
w/ the RE-20).
gantt
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
>TCBYou'll have to create a CD that runs a floppy emulation. It is possible,
easy, etc. make it a 2.88 emu or you won't have room for the app and other
files.
WMW
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4651db4c$1@linux...
>
> Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's
> Ghost.
> But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost
> program.
> Is there a way to :
>
> -Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
> Thanks..LaMontHey LaMont,
I use BartPE (http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/) at work where we are constantly
imaging machines. It's a slightly involved process to get the CD made, but
it's not that tough. If you like I can send you one of ours, just email me
your address.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's Ghost.
>But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost program.
> Is there a way to :
>
>-Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
>Thanks..LaMontHmmmm, we might actually try this. One of the Monkies is a dedicated tinkerer.
Do you have the speaker in a cab or do you just mount somehow so it's in
the air?
TCB
"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>
>Sort of...I usually use a 10" bass speaker, but the principal is the same...I
>made a cable with pos and neg to an XLR plug, then to pre
>
>The same technique can be used for just about any low frequency source -
>try it with a bass cab sometime - it will likely astound you!
>
>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Are you just wireing up a speaker (like an 8") to an xlr and sending to
>a
>>pre?
>>
>>"wireline" <ken@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm partial to SM7s, EV RE11s, RE20s, or even a speaker used as a mic...D112s
>>>sound fine, but to me they make all kicks sound pretty much the same...
>>>
>>>Just another opinion.
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
>>its
>>>>maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
>Thanks for the response Gantt. I did all that and no luck.
UAD folder into the VST folder, which is in the Paris folder.
Started up Paris, went to the project window and set the VST path. I then
re-booted Paris. Went to the song, clicked on Native and it's empty.
What am I doing wrong? I had it working before...
mb
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hi Michael,
>
>Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't see
it)
>in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your VST path
>to that folder.
>
>Gantt
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
other
>>issues I was having.
>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper, where
>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>
>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>
>>mb
>>
>Hi Michael,
Don't copy the UAD-1 folder into the VST folder - take the plugins OUT of
the UAD-1 folder and copy them onto the Paris VST folder. I think putting
the entire UAD-1 folder into the VST folder hides the individual plugins
from Paris. What version of Powered Plugins are you using?
Gantt
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for the response Gantt. I did all that and no luck.
>UAD folder into the VST folder, which is in the Paris folder.
>Started up Paris, went to the project window and set the VST path. I then
>re-booted Paris. Went to the song, clicked on Native and it's empty.
>
>What am I doing wrong? I had it working before...
>mb
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Michael,
>>
>>Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't see
>it)
>>in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your VST path
>>to that folder.
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>other
>>>issues I was having.
>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper, where
>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>
>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>
>>>mb
>>>
>>
>Hi Lamont,
I believe the newest Ghost can create bootable CDs. Not sure though
sense I used for a a couple years now.
You can build a Bart PE image and use the Ghost 8.o plug ins as long as
you own 8.0.
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/pluginhelp/ghost.htm
This is one of the coolest programs by the way. Probably the most
powerful tech tool out there.
Chris
LaMont wrote:
> Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's Ghost.
> But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost program.
> Is there a way to :
>
> -Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
> Thanks..LaMont
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comGantt,
I took them out of the UAD-1 folder and put them in there alone to no avail.
I have the Studio Pak V.3.6.
Where should the wrapper be? Maybe that's something to do with it.
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hi Michael,
>
>Don't copy the UAD-1 folder into the VST folder - take the plugins OUT of
>the UAD-1 folder and copy them onto the Paris VST folder. I think putting
>the entire UAD-1 folder into the VST folder hides the individual plugins
>from Paris. What version of Powered Plugins are you using?
>
>Gantt
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks for the response Gantt. I did all that and no luck.
>>UAD folder into the VST folder, which is in the Paris folder.
>>Started up Paris, went to the project window and set the VST path. I then
>>re-booted Paris. Went to the song, clicked on Native and it's empty.
>>
>>What am I doing wrong? I had it working before...
>>mb
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Michael,
>>>
>>>Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't see
>>it)
>>>in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your VST
path
>>>to that folder.
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>>other
>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
where
>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>
>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>
>>>>mb
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Point of order. We weren't attacked in WW I, at least not in any militarily
significant way. We were actively supporting the British and (to a lesser
degree) the French. The Germans (in both wars) desperately wanted the US
on the sidelines, but decided in WW I they couldn't tolerate the amount of
arms and supplies the US was providing. But the Lusitania was hardly a massive
attack on the US.
In WW II we were attacked, but despite what you learned in history class
it was a very complex thing. The US had been 'negotiating' for peace with
imperial Japan, and doing so in extremely bad faith. Sentiment in the US
was wildly anti-war, polls show over 80% of the public were against the US
entering the war, and Roosevelt had campaigned promising that the US would
not enter the war unless attacked. He clearly wanted war and had given the
Japanese an ultimatum that everyone knew was a complete non-starter. There
were parts of the Japanese military/bureaucracy that were for attacking the
US, there were parts that were virulently against it. We don't know what
would have happened, but the US ultimatum made the war party's line look
like the only defensible one. Personally I think Roosevelt wanted the war
but didn't imagine the Japanese could pull off something as devastating as
Pearl Harbor. I think he was looking for a 'Lusitania in the Pacific.' Also,
US cargo ships headed for England were being guarded by US Navy convoys even
before the US entered the war, which is the kind of thing that usually turns
a country from neutral to participating pretty quickly.
As far as Afghanistan, it's hard to say. On the one hand the Taliban clearly
were providing al-Queda with a safe haven which is a massive operational
gift to a non-state actor. That said, one could argue that Pakistan (operations,
training) and Saudi Arabia (money, recruits) were as responsible. But Afghanistan
doesn't have a trillion in US treasuries sitting in our banks. One could
go further and suggest that the US should have attacked the US, as it was
our funding, training and support that _made_ both the Taliban and al-Queda
when the CIA decided to 'give Russia their Vietnam' after the Soviets invaded
in 1979. Or, as one person says in Charlie Wilson's War, 'Nobody fucks with
the Afghans and gets away with it.'
Iraq? A pure, simple war of aggression, for which history will judge us grimly.
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
>Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
>wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
>of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
>players.
>
>Bill L
>
>
>Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>>
>> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a war
>> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
>> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>>
>>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
>>> bore.
>>
>> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come to
>> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we
get in
>> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
>> thought of.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.' -
>> Winston Churchill
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>>
>>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. I
>>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>>> you dig?
>>>
>>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
>>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish
him
>>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
>>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them, and
>>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on us.
>>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
>>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>>> pathetic.>
>> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
>>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er lives.
>>>
>>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone ever
>> try?
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
>> Unfortunately
>>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I hold
>>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>>
>>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
a
>>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>> children.
>>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
>> no,
>>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>> practicing
>>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>>
>>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the
>> DC
>>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to
>> the
>>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
>> Pearl
>>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
>>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>>
>>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
>> of
>>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
>> to
>>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better keep
>> an
>>>> eye on these guys.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
>>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for
all
>>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
>> Why
>>>> the
>>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
>> in
>>>> its
>>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside
a
>>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
>>>> and
>>>>>> hated
>>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then
it
>>>> costs
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or
the
>>>>>> timid."
>>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
>>>> brave."
>>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>> the
>>>>>> active,
>>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home
of
>>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."
--
>>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guidance,
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>There's no 'wrapper' that I'm aware of. My UAD-1 plugins live in the VST
folder in the Paris folder. I go to the Project page, select "Select VST
Path" and choose the VST folder in the Paris folder and when I boot Paris
up they're there.
Gantt
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Gantt,
>I took them out of the UAD-1 folder and put them in there alone to no avail.
>I have the Studio Pak V.3.6.
>Where should the wrapper be? Maybe that's something to do with it.
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Michael,
>>
>>Don't copy the UAD-1 folder into the VST folder - take the plugins OUT
of
>>the UAD-1 folder and copy them onto the Paris VST folder. I think putting
>>the entire UAD-1 folder into the VST folder hides the individual plugins
>>from Paris. What version of Powered Plugins are you using?
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thanks for the response Gantt. I did all that and no luck.
>>>UAD folder into the VST folder, which is in the Paris folder.
>>>Started up Paris, went to the project window and set the VST path. I then
>>>re-booted Paris. Went to the song, clicked on Native and it's empty.
>>>
>>>What am I doing wrong? I had it working before...
>>>mb
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Michael,
>>>>
>>>>Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't see
>>>it)
>>>>in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your VST
>path
>>>>to that folder.
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>>>other
>>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
>where
>>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>>
>>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>>
>>>>>mb
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks. Eugene.My personal favorites are Josephson C42s...also use AT4041 or 4051s...
Depends on the guitar, really...I think Martin dreadnaughts 'do' better with
LDCs, but 000/Auditorium sized seem to (or at least I seem to) prefer the
C42s over anything else in the lockers.
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.I must be doing something wrong, It's not seeing the UAD-1 card for some reason.
Thanks Gantt for the info, I'm sure it's something on my end that I'm not
doing correctly, if you think of anything else please let me know.
mb
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>There's no 'wrapper' that I'm aware of. My UAD-1 plugins live in the VST
>folder in the Paris folder. I go to the Project page, select "Select VST
>Path" and choose the VST folder in the Paris folder and when I boot Paris
>up they're there.
>
>Gantt
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Gantt,
>>I took them out of the UAD-1 folder and put them in there alone to no avail.
>>I have the Studio Pak V.3.6.
>>Where should the wrapper be? Maybe that's something to do with it.
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Michael,
>>>
>>>Don't copy the UAD-1 folder into the VST folder - take the plugins OUT
>of
>>>the UAD-1 folder and copy them onto the Paris VST folder. I think putting
>>>the entire UAD-1 folder into the VST folder hides the individual plugins
>>>from Paris. What version of Powered Plugins are you using?
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the response Gantt. I did all that and no luck.
>>>>UAD folder into the VST folder, which is in the Paris folder.
>>>>Started up Paris, went to the project window and set the VST path. I
then
>>>>re-booted Paris. Went to the song, clicked on Native and it's empty.
>>>>
>>>>What am I doing wrong? I had it working before...
>>>>mb
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>>Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't
see
>>>>it)
>>>>>in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your VST
>>path
>>>>>to that folder.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>>>>other
>>>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
>>where
>>>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>mb
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I have a pair of KM-84s and a pair of AKG 451s. Either pair or combination
thereof can make for a great acoustic guitar sound.
Gantt
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.I'm also in the market for a small diaphragm / general purpose mic. If anyone
has experience with Shure KSM141 or Shure SM81 I would appreciate their feedback
on these as well. I have a KM184 which is a nice choice for acoustic guitar,
and would expect the Shures to be less colored than the Neuman.
I've also been told that with a pop filter the SM81 makes a very nice vocal
mic--but I haven't heard much about the KSM141.
Thanks,
Dale
P.S. I've been told the Octava small dia. mikes are nice for ac. guitar,
but have also heard that their quality can vary significantly from mic to
mic.
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.After the kids go to bed I'll look and see if I'm leaving anything out.
What version of Paris are you running? What Mac OS?
Gantt
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>I must be doing something wrong, It's not seeing the UAD-1 card for some
reason.
>
>Thanks Gantt for the info, I'm sure it's something on my end that I'm not
>doing correctly, if you think of anything else please let me know.
>
>mb
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>There's no 'wrapper' that I'm aware of. My UAD-1 plugins live in the VST
>>folder in the Paris folder. I go to the Project page, select "Select VST
>>Path" and choose the VST folder in the Paris folder and when I boot Paris
>>up they're there.
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Gantt,
>>>I took them out of the UAD-1 folder and put them in there alone to no
avail.
>>>I have the Studio Pak V.3.6.
>>>Where should the wrapper be? Maybe that's something to do with it.
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Michael,
>>>>
>>>>Don't copy the UAD-1 folder into the VST folder - take the plugins OUT
>>of
>>>>the UAD-1 folder and copy them onto the Paris VST folder. I think putting
>>>>the entire UAD-1 folder into the VST folder hides the individual plugins
>>>>from Paris. What version of Powered Plugins are you using?
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the response Gantt. I did all that and no luck.
>>>>>UAD folder into the VST folder, which is in the Paris folder.
>>>>>Started up Paris, went to the project window and set the VST path. I
>then
>>>>>re-booted Paris. Went to the song, clicked on Native and it's empty.
>>>>>
>>>>>What am I doing wrong? I had it working before...
>>>>>mb
>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Michael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't
>see
>>>>>it)
>>>>>>in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your VST
>>>path
>>>>>>to that folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for
some
>>>>>other
>>>>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
>>>where
>>>>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>OS 9, Paris 2.2
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>After the kids go to bed I'll look and see if I'm leaving anything out.
>
>What version of Paris are you running? What Mac OS?
>
>Gantt
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>I must be doing something wrong, It's not seeing the UAD-1 card for some
>reason.
>>
>>Thanks Gantt for the info, I'm sure it's something on my end that I'm not
>>doing correctly, if you think of anything else please let me know.
>>
>>mb
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>There's no 'wrapper' that I'm aware of. My UAD-1 plugins live in the
VST
>>>folder in the Paris folder. I go to the Project page, select "Select
VST
>>>Path" and choose the VST folder in the Paris folder and when I boot Paris
>>>up they're there.
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Gantt,
>>>>I took them out of the UAD-1 folder and put them in there alone to no
>avail.
>>>>I have the Studio Pak V.3.6.
>>>>Where should the wrapper be? Maybe that's something to do with it.
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't copy the UAD-1 folder into the VST folder - take the plugins OUT
>>>of
>>>>>the UAD-1 folder and copy them onto the Paris VST folder. I think putting
>>>>>the entire UAD-1 folder into the VST folder hides the individual plugins
>>>>>from Paris. What version of Powered Plugins are you using?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for the response Gantt. I did all that and no luck.
>>>>>>UAD folder into the VST folder, which is in the Paris folder.
>>>>>>Started up Paris, went to the project window and set the VST path.
I
>>then
>>>>>>re-booted Paris. Went to the song, clicked on Native and it's empty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What am I doing wrong? I had it working before...
>>>>>>mb
>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Michael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Copy all the UAD-1 plugs into the VST folder (make one if you don't
>>see
>>>>>>it)
>>>>>>>in your Paris folder. Then go to the Project window and set your
VST
>>>>path
>>>>>>>to that folder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for
>some
>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
>>>>where
>>>>>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>My first answer comes from my long standing WWSAD, or What Would Steve Albini
do?
Acoustic Guitars
Favourite microphones: Schoeps 221b, Neumann 56/54 and FM2, Audio Technica
4051, Lomo 1918, plus ribbon mics like the Coles STC 4038, various Royers,
RCA 44DX, 74JR and 77DX.
Favourite preamps: Massenburg 8400, Sytek MPX4.
"The Lomo is a Russian microphone made in the '60s and '70s. I use that a
lot on acoustic guitar. They weren't standard in the West but they were quite
common in the East and they have now made their way across. I'll use a ribbon
microphone if it's a real bright guitar and I want to try thicken the sound
a little bit. Where I place the microphone depends on whether someone is
going to be singing and playing, or just playing. If they're singing and
playing I have to minimise the vocal spillage, so I put the microphones quite
close up. If there's no singing, then I can back the microphones off a little
bit, I would say about two to three feet, and in that case it usually sounds
better in a slightly live room. I don't necessarily point the microphone
straight at the sound hole. Sometimes you want to get it up in the air a
little bit, looking down at the guitar so you can get more of the strumming
and less projection of the hole. If the guitar is a little thin-sounding,
you want to have it more in front of the body. It varies. Sometimes you have
to move your head around a little and see where it sounds best."
TCB
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene."TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>In WW II we were attacked, but despite what you learned in history class
>it was a very complex thing. The US had been 'negotiating' for peace with
>imperial Japan, and doing so in extremely bad faith.
This is debatable, but what is not debatable is there was
plenty of aggression and bad faith to go 'round.
Why did you not mention the Japanese' aggression and
bad-faith negotiations?
>Sentiment in the US
>was wildly anti-war, polls show over 80% of the public were against the
US
>entering the war,
They remembered "The War to End all War" all too well I think.
WWI was a vastly different beast though, and once people
saw the nature of the enemy in 1941, those poll numbers
inverted. Overnight.
>As far as Afghanistan, it's hard to say. On the one hand the Taliban clearly
>were providing al-Queda with a safe haven which is a massive operational
>gift to a non-state actor. That said, one could argue that Pakistan (operations,
>training) and Saudi Arabia (money, recruits) were as responsible.
But much less belligerent and uncooperative...
>One could
>go further and suggest that the US should have attacked the US, as it was
>our funding, training and support that _made_ both the Taliban and al-Queda
Nonsense. Both of these entities arose from Islamist ideology
and needed little from us to learn how to sneak box-cutters
onto planes and hijack them.
If anything, our support of _Muslim_ mujhadeen in Afghanistan
and prtecting _Muslims_ in Bosnia should have made them
allies. It did not, and the reason has little to do with our
occasional stupid acts in the name of anti-communism...
>Iraq? A pure, simple war of aggression, for which history will judge us
grimly.
Now, you compare these facts with the ones that got us into
WWI and see if you have not grossly overstated this...
Iraq had a nuclear reactor. Israel destroyed it
Iraq invaded its neighbor and had designs on the Saudis
Iraq financially supported terrorists and hosted them
Iraq developed poison gas and used it on the Kurds
Iraq wiped out entire families, used rape as torture,
tortured in most creative and unpleasant manners and
killed people for even looking at Saddam in a non-respectful
manner
Iraq got caught planning the assassination of a US President
Iraq defied 17 UN resolutions
Iraq defied the no-fly zone
I could go on and on...
Now, remind me of all the good reasons we got into WWI??
DCThere's no need for a wrapper of any sort. UAD-vst plugs dragged, not copied,
directly into whatever folder you're using for vst plug-ins in Paris, which
needs to be in the same folder as your Paris app. I'm also running 9.2.2
on a G4...
Ted
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some other
>issues I was having.
>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper, where
>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>
>please help, I'll send candy.
>
>mb
>Dale, the Oktava O12's are very decent SDC mics, but there is a quality issue
finding 2 the of same quality. Deej is selling a pair in the for sale section
if your interested. I used them on drum overheads and they're great. Also
on AC guitars and were really nice. Not the goto for guitars but very workable.
mb
"dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I'm also in the market for a small diaphragm / general purpose mic. If anyone
>has experience with Shure KSM141 or Shure SM81 I would appreciate their
feedback
>on these as well. I have a KM184 which is a nice choice for acoustic guitar,
>and would expect the Shures to be less colored than the Neuman.
>
>I've also been told that with a pop filter the SM81 makes a very nice vocal
>mic--but I haven't heard much about the KSM141.
>
>Thanks,
>Dale
>
>P.S. I've been told the Octava small dia. mikes are nice for ac. guitar,
>but have also heard that their quality can vary significantly from mic to
>mic.
>
>
>"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>Thanks. Eugene.
>Hi Ted,
Ok, wrapper is gone.
I'm dragging my "UAD-1 presets folder" into the Paris folder (thanks to Gantt
for that). Then I set the VST path to the UAD-1 folder. And still nothing.
If I am doing everything correct what could be a reason I'm not seeing the
UAD card?
mb
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>There's no need for a wrapper of any sort. UAD-vst plugs dragged, not copied,
>directly into whatever folder you're using for vst plug-ins in Paris, which
>needs to be in the same folder as your Paris app. I'm also running 9.2.2
>on a G4...
>
>Ted
>
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
other
>>issues I was having.
>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper, where
>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>
>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>
>>mb
>>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>In WW II we were attacked, but despite what you learned in history class
>>it was a very complex thing. The US had been 'negotiating' for peace with
>>imperial Japan, and doing so in extremely bad faith.
>
>
>This is debatable, but what is not debatable is there was
>plenty of aggression and bad faith to go 'round.
>
>Why did you not mention the Japanese' aggression and
>bad-faith negotiations?
They certainly did, but I wasn't commenting on Japanese perception of the
war, but on our own. Bill said we had 'been attacked,' which is absolutely
true, but there are qualifiers. I think there was more unity in the top levels
of the US government than the Japanese one. After all, one didn't need to
know too much about the world to know that getting the US involved on the
other side would be a long term net negative for the other sides.
>
>>Sentiment in the US
>>was wildly anti-war, polls show over 80% of the public were against the
>US
>>entering the war,
>
>They remembered "The War to End all War" all too well I think.
>WWI was a vastly different beast though, and once people
>saw the nature of the enemy in 1941, those poll numbers
>inverted. Overnight.
Had they known the true story of how they were in many ways manipulated into
war they might have changed their mind.
Also, I'm not saying the US shouldn't have gotten into that war, I'm only
saying that the true story is not really told about what happened.
>
>>As far as Afghanistan, it's hard to say. On the one hand the Taliban clearly
>>were providing al-Queda with a safe haven which is a massive operational
>>gift to a non-state actor. That said, one could argue that Pakistan (operations,
>>training) and Saudi Arabia (money, recruits) were as responsible.
>
>
>But much less belligerent and uncooperative...
>
>
>>One could
>>go further and suggest that the US should have attacked the US, as it was
>>our funding, training and support that _made_ both the Taliban and al-Queda
>
>Nonsense. Both of these entities arose from Islamist ideology
>and needed little from us to learn how to sneak box-cutters
>onto planes and hijack them.
That's very debatable. The Taliban grew in the Afghan refugee camps with
over a million displaced Afghans lived for up to ten years in some cases.
The original US support with the CIA had been a minor, small dollar affair,
mostly consisting of help in the refugee camps and WW I era Enfield rifles.
The old school CIA guys were smart enough to realize that the possibility
for blowback was very real, and that in the words of one, 'The Afghans are
so crooked when they die you don't have to bury them, you can just screw
them into the ground.' However, after a few years it became obvious that
Soviet morale was extremely low and there was the possibility that the Afghans
could actually win, instead of be a constant pest. At that point an explicit
decision was made to create a core of 150,000 'technoguerillas' that would
get vastly greater weaponry and more training via Pakistan. And they did,
demolitions, CCC, first aid, all of the stuff that any western, professional
soldier would learn. Bin Laden's group became, in many ways, the 'special
forces' of that core guerrilla army. So the US didn't teach them how to use
box cutters, but we did teach them how to make a bike bomb that could be
parked next to a bar where Soviet officers drank. The US taught them assassination
tactics, how to attack convoys, how to use Stinger missiles (the final magic
bullet that took the Soviet helicopters out of the war), and most importantly
the mindset of an insurgent. Combining that with thousands of years of guerrilla
fighting by the Afghans that left guerrilla tactics almost in their blood
and it didn't take much for them to improvise on the theme.
Two questions. There will millions of Afghans in Iran as well as Pakistan.
They received no military training (hell, the Iranians didn't even want to
feed them), and there is no evidence that they ever planned to do anything
against the us. Why? Second, if it's an islamist ideology to blame, why were
the Tajiks and Uzbeks (islamists to the man) who made up the Northern Alliance
still fighting against (mostly) Pashtun Afghans on 9/11, and why did the
readily accept our aid an arms when we attacked the country?
>If anything, our support of _Muslim_ mujhadeen in Afghanistan
>and prtecting _Muslims_ in Bosnia should have made them
>allies. It did not, and the reason has little to do with our
>occasional stupid acts in the name of anti-communism...
Had we made good on our promises to the Afghans there is a chance that might
have happened. Not much of one, but a chance. Instead we buggered off as
soon as they had finished dying for us (and themselves to be sure) and let
the country eventually fall into the hands of the Taliban. There might still
be a chance for the western forces to turn the tide in Afghanistan, although
it will take some massive intellectual leaps to do it. Iraq is much more
likely irretrievable.
>
>>Iraq? A pure, simple war of aggression, for which history will judge us
>grimly.
>
>Now, you compare these facts with the ones that got us into
>WWI and see if you have not grossly overstated this...
>
>Iraq had a nuclear reactor. Israel destroyed it
>Iraq invaded its neighbor and had designs on the Saudis
>Iraq financially supported terrorists and hosted them
>Iraq developed poison gas and used it on the Kurds
>Iraq wiped out entire families, used rape as torture,
>tortured in most creative and unpleasant manners and
>killed people for even looking at Saddam in a non-respectful
>manner
>Iraq got caught planning the assassination of a US President
>Iraq defied 17 UN resolutions
>Iraq defied the no-fly zone
None of which made Iraq in any way a threat to the US. Lots of countries
in the best graces of the US torture and kill their own citizens. And while
they invaded one neighbor and got slapped around by the US, when they invaded
Iran we gave them guns, money, helpful advice, and visits from Donald Rumsfeld.
Could Iraq have put together any sort of conventional military campaign against
the US? If Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan did not consider Iraq in 2001 a
threat to their security, how could the US possibly feel that way? It's just
a war of aggression.
TCB
>I could go on and on...
>
>Now, remind me of all the good reasons we got into WWI??
>
>DC
>Well, I got it. I was trying to use the Presets folder instead of the plugins
folder. Duh,
Thanks for the help Gantt and Ted. By the way, is there anyway of using the
presets yet on a Mac?
Thanks again,
mb
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Ted,
>Ok, wrapper is gone.
>I'm dragging my "UAD-1 presets folder" into the Paris folder (thanks to
Gantt
>for that). Then I set the VST path to the UAD-1 folder. And still nothing.
>
>If I am doing everything correct what could be a reason I'm not seeing the
>UAD card?
>
>mb
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>There's no need for a wrapper of any sort. UAD-vst plugs dragged, not copied,
>>directly into whatever folder you're using for vst plug-ins in Paris, which
>>needs to be in the same folder as your Paris app. I'm also running 9.2.2
>>on a G4...
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>
>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>other
>>>issues I was having.
>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper, where
>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>
>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>
>>>mb
>>>
>>
>Depends.. what you after tone wise?
AA
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>
> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet its
> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>
> TCBNope.
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for the help Gantt and Ted. By the way, is there anyway of using
the
>presets yet on a Mac?My go to is a Beyer TGX50 (now the Opus 65) and
my custom painted, flamed Yamaha Subkick.... Got
way over the 112 years ago...
One of my fav studio drummers here got the Beyer and
now carries it to sessions...
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Depends.. what you after tone wise?
>AA
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>
>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>> TCB
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>Had they known the true story of how they were in many ways manipulated
into
>war they might have changed their mind.
I doubt it, and I think you have overstated the manipulation.
Since Vietnam, we seem to be finding "Tonkin Gulf Incidents"
all over the place...
>Combining that with thousands of years of guerrilla
>fighting by the Afghans that left guerrilla tactics almost in their blood
>and it didn't take much for them to improvise on the theme.
All true. Yet, they fell so quickly! Don't you think the fall
of the Taliban was a good thing?
Don't get me started on what we did in the name of anti-
communism. But that is *really* not the point here unless
you just intend to make some moral case (based on what?)
that we had it coming, despite our support of Muslims?
>Two questions. There will millions of Afghans in Iran as well as Pakistan.
>They received no military training (hell, the Iranians didn't even want
to
>feed them), and there is no evidence that they ever planned to do anything
>against the us. Why?
I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. Maybe you could
rephrase it?
>Second, if it's an islamist ideology to blame, why were
>the Tajiks and Uzbeks (islamists to the man) who made up the Northern Alliance
>still fighting against (mostly) Pashtun Afghans on 9/11, and why did the
>readily accept our aid an arms when we attacked the country?
What is your definition of Islamist?
If it is Islamic triumphalism through ther actions of Allah, then you
are right and there are other reasons for the things you mention.
If it is Islamic triumphalism through a new caliphate and the
subjugation of all the infidels into moslems or dhimmis, then
perhaps they were/are different sorts of Islamists.
>>>Iraq? A pure, simple war of aggression, for which history will judge us
>>grimly.
>>Now, you compare these facts with the ones that got us into
>>WWI and see if you have not grossly overstated this...
>>
>>Iraq had a nuclear reactor. Israel destroyed it
>>Iraq invaded its neighbor and had designs on the Saudis
>>Iraq financially supported terrorists and hosted them
>>Iraq developed poison gas and used it on the Kurds
>>Iraq wiped out entire families, used rape as torture,
>>tortured in most creative and unpleasant manners and
>>killed people for even looking at Saddam in a non-respectful
>>manner
>>Iraq got caught planning the assassination of a US President
>>Iraq defied 17 UN resolutions
>>Iraq defied the no-fly zone
>None of which made Iraq in any way a threat to the US.
WHEW! and the archduke's murder of course, was a big one!
>Lots of countries
>in the best graces of the US torture and kill their own citizens. And while
>they invaded one neighbor and got slapped around by the US, when they invaded
>Iran we gave them guns, money, helpful advice, and visits from Donald Rumsfeld.
So what? Would you have us attack all or none? Because
every evil was not addressed, should no evils be addressed?
What is you
r point here?
>Could Iraq have put together any sort of conventional military campaign
against
>the US?
Not the issue. Support for terror and real concern, the world
over, (including every Democrat who ran for President last time)
that this was the guy most likely to make real trouble in the
near future was the issue.
>If Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan did not consider Iraq in 2001 a
>threat to their security, how could the US possibly feel that way?
Is there some lack of evidence for Saddam's plans? Does the
opinions of these "leaders" change that evidence? How?
>It's just
>a war of aggression.
Bull. It's a war for democracy. Will it succeed? Who the
hell knows?
But THIS is the issue that matters: Are those people in Iraq
capable of living in a democracy? Do they even want one?
This is the big gamble we have taken. I do not know the
answer but millions of Iraqi's do want democracy so perhaps
there is hope.
Your answer is both too simple and too cynical.
DCoh well, don't need no stink'n presets anyways...
thanks again guys
mb
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Nope.
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Thanks for the help Gantt and Ted. By the way, is there anyway of using
>the
>>presets yet on a Mac?
>It's a power pop band, we're using a Yamaha Recording Custom kit, so a 22"
birch kick drum, Evans heads, I forget the line but they were at least expensive
so I hope they're good.
Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all of
the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more important
than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try to
get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
just too much going on with these tracks.
I'm leaning toward getting another D112 just because I know it. Some of the
other mics here intrigue me, but I've heard of them many times before.
TCB
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Depends.. what you after tone wise?
>AA
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>
>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
its
>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>
>> TCB
>
>FIrst, I'm running v2 on a Mac right now.
I just tracked the last concert at the theatre - more or less 16
tracks for two hours.
I want the finished product to be continuous with track markers.
I know I can just split it into two halves, mix those, drop 'em into a
mastering program and lay in track markers.
However, as you can imagine, keeping your focus for an hour at a time
watching up to 16 channels can be damn tough. I've ruined several
takes because my brain wandered when I was supposed to bring something
up or down.
What I really want to know is if there's a way to tell Paris to stop
exactly on a marker. I can drop in markers for where I want each
track to start and stop, mix those chunks, and then drop the chunks
into Toast with zero gappage.
Can this be done? I want this thing done, but having to keep full
attention for an hour at a time is getting to be a problem.
Thanks!
pabJust reconfiguring a slumbering full Paris system -
Still wanting to use Paris for the forseeable future.
Wondering about the pro's and cons of using PCI cards.
Thinking about picking up a used TC Powercore...
Anyone experienced with that or is there a better alternative?
PS - I have a mac 1.25 with 2gb of ramI have no idea, I've never used it, but if so, I stand corrected. . .
"Neil" <IUI@OI.com> wrote in message news:46507062$1@linux...
>
> "edna" > wrote:
>>I believe Norton Utilities has one that writes zeros to the entire drive.
>
> Doesn't it have to write an equal amount of "1's", as well -
> otherwise the drive would be out of phase?
>
> :D"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4652330a$1@linux...
>
> It's a power pop band, we're using a Yamaha Recording Custom kit, so a 22"
> birch kick drum, Evans heads, I forget the line but they were at least
> expensive
> so I hope they're good.
>
EMAD? those rock. Love 'em. Will not use anything else anymore after
hearing what they do. Get the front and back heads, it matters. Keep your
mic hole in the front fairly small, just enough to breath if it doesn't come
pre cut. You'll get more bottom end the further out you get from the batter
head. Don't put the mic in the center, it'll phase out and sound bad.
> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all of
> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
> important
> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try to
> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
> just too much going on with these tracks.
Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
requires less EQ to cut through and be big.
>
> I'm leaning toward getting another D112 just because I know it. Some of
> the
> other mics here intrigue me, but I've heard of them many times before.
>
> TCB
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Depends.. what you after tone wise?
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4651b405$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Quick! Tracking tomorrow night and my trusty AKG D112 has gone to meet
> its
>>> maker. Should I get another D112 or try something else?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>
>>
>On Sun, 20 May 2007 20:52:10 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>> Ideas??
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>Like all game birds, roast baby blue jays have succulent juices that should
>not go to waste. In this recipe, every drop is captured in rice that has
>been cooked in chicken broth, then tossed with diced fresh mango and chopped
>cilantro.
>
>
>4 whole baby jays, about 1/4 pound each, neck and wing tips removed
>Coarse salt and freshly ground black pepper
>1/4 cup hot red pepper jelly
>1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
>1 teaspoon fresh lime juice
>Lime wedges
>
>
>This works for lost kittens and puppies too.....
>
>;o}
>
Dude,
Does it get crowded in your head with all the voices????
Fortunately, I hadn't started to eat yet, or there would have been
spewage all over my C16, keyboard, and screens....
pabCut your tracks, all of them, on markers.
Render selections, name/folder them as you see fit.
Mix each in it's own PPJ.
AA
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:dgc4531klks56jm2l74h1tbv247o2psrmi@4ax.com...
> FIrst, I'm running v2 on a Mac right now.
>
> I just tracked the last concert at the theatre - more or less 16
> tracks for two hours.
>
> I want the finished product to be continuous with track markers.
>
> I know I can just split it into two halves, mix those, drop 'em into a
> mastering program and lay in track markers.
>
> However, as you can imagine, keeping your focus for an hour at a time
> watching up to 16 channels can be damn tough. I've ruined several
> takes because my brain wandered when I was supposed to bring something
> up or down.
>
> What I really want to know is if there's a way to tell Paris to stop
> exactly on a marker. I can drop in markers for where I want each
> track to start and stop, mix those chunks, and then drop the chunks
> into Toast with zero gappage.
>
> Can this be done? I want this thing done, but having to keep full
> attention for an hour at a time is getting to be a problem.
>
> Thanks!
>
> pabOn Mon, 21 May 2007 10:38:09 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
>thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt. The
>ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>
OK. If I ever start a rock band, I will either call it Smarmy Mousse
or Massive Grunt.
Haven't decided yet.
pabPaul,
I don't think you can get Paris to automatically stop or start on marker
points.
Could you split the project out across several submixes? You could break it
into thirty minute chunks -one chunk for each submix. If you moved each
"chunk" ahead to its proper place on the original time line, you could then
use render to disk to get a seamless two track mix when you're done.
Take care, MR
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:dgc4531klks56jm2l74h1tbv247o2psrmi@4ax.com...
> FIrst, I'm running v2 on a Mac right now.
>
> I just tracked the last concert at the theatre - more or less 16
> tracks for two hours.
>
> I want the finished product to be continuous with track markers.
>
> I know I can just split it into two halves, mix those, drop 'em into a
> mastering program and lay in track markers.
>
> However, as you can imagine, keeping your focus for an hour at a time
> watching up to 16 channels can be damn tough. I've ruined several
> takes because my brain wandered when I was supposed to bring something
> up or down.
>
> What I really want to know is if there's a way to tell Paris to stop
> exactly on a marker. I can drop in markers for where I want each
> track to start and stop, mix those chunks, and then drop the chunks
> into Toast with zero gappage.
>
> Can this be done? I want this thing done, but having to keep full
> attention for an hour at a time is getting to be a problem.
>
> Thanks!
>
> pabOn Mon, 21 May 2007 20:00:56 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Cut your tracks, all of them, on markers.
>Render selections, name/folder them as you see fit.
>Mix each in it's own PPJ.
>
>AA
Problem with that is I'm running Paris 2 - so I can't just render 'em
out. I"m stuck with realtime rendering.
I can split and mix each as it's own ppj, but then I have to import
each track into a wave editor and cut each one exactly at the start
and end so they play back seamlessly.....
Or am I missing something here?
pabI was just joking about the drive being "out of phase".
:)
"edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>I have no idea, I've never used it, but if so, I stand corrected. . .
>
>"Neil" <IUI@OI.com> wrote in message news:46507062$1@linux...
>>
>> "edna" > wrote:
>>>I believe Norton Utilities has one that writes zeros to the entire drive.
>>
>> Doesn't it have to write an equal amount of "1's", as well -
>> otherwise the drive would be out of phase?
>>
>> :D
>
>DPA 3503 is the best I’ve ever used. Just a tad on the expensive side. DPA
4003 is also excellent. Earthworks SR30, Josephson c42MP, Gefell M270, Schoeps
CMC 62 H, Sennheiser MKH800, Sanken Microphones CO-100k.
lower cost SDs that works well include the Beyer MC930 and the Km84.
Gene
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>Thanks. Eugene.You should try the Audix D6...
> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all
of
> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
> important
> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try
to
> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
> just too much going on with these tracks.
>Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
>requires less EQ to cut through and be big.
Either one of these are great. My last Soul/Funk album we used the Beta 52
and dug it a lot, we just had to move it around to find the sweet spot. This
new album, I decided to try a D6 that a friend had. I just stuck it in there
and this mic sounded great out of the box. Nice punch that sits well in the
mix. Now with my D6 and 52 I'm pretty much covered.
mbjust find where you want to split the tracks and select all and cut on marker
line. Then, move all the first section into a new project. Name it something
else, since it's a new song, or first half... etc!
That's what Aaron was talking about.
mb
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:00:56 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
><know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>Cut your tracks, all of them, on markers.
>>Render selections, name/folder them as you see fit.
>>Mix each in it's own PPJ.
>>
>>AA
>
>Problem with that is I'm running Paris 2 - so I can't just render 'em
>out. I"m stuck with realtime rendering.
>
>I can split and mix each as it's own ppj, but then I have to import
>each track into a wave editor and cut each one exactly at the start
>and end so they play back seamlessly.....
>
>Or am I missing something here?
>
>pabMB, btw... that album sounded great man.
AA
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46525916$1@linux...
>
> You should try the Audix D6...
>
>> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all
> of
>> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
>> important
>> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads than
>> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try
> to
>> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
>> just too much going on with these tracks.
>
> >Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
>>requires less EQ to cut through and be big.
>
> Either one of these are great. My last Soul/Funk album we used the Beta 52
> and dug it a lot, we just had to move it around to find the sweet spot.
> This
> new album, I decided to try a D6 that a friend had. I just stuck it in
> there
> and this mic sounded great out of the box. Nice punch that sits well in
> the
> mix. Now with my D6 and 52 I'm pretty much covered.
>
> mb
>Lot's of great stuff in that post, DJ rules!!!
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:38:09 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
>>thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt.
The
>>ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>>overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>>
>
>OK. If I ever start a rock band, I will either call it Smarmy Mousse
>or Massive Grunt.
>
>Haven't decided yet.
>
>pabIf I remember right, you could export segments in ver 2.xx ... would this
work for ya?
AA
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:mcg453h7q8kap7neh3kankeo4odnemnrek@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:00:56 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>Cut your tracks, all of them, on markers.
>>Render selections, name/folder them as you see fit.
>>Mix each in it's own PPJ.
>>
>>AA
>
> Problem with that is I'm running Paris 2 - so I can't just render 'em
> out. I"m stuck with realtime rendering.
>
> I can split and mix each as it's own ppj, but then I have to import
> each track into a wave editor and cut each one exactly at the start
> and end so they play back seamlessly.....
>
> Or am I missing something here?
>
> pabthanks a lot Aaron appreciate it.
now if I could just get this new one done...
mb
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>MB, btw... that album sounded great man.
>
>AA
>
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:46525916$1@linux...
>>
>> You should try the Audix D6...
>>
>>> Because of the nature of the music there's a _lot_ going on almost all
>> of
>>> the time, so delivering a track that will cut through the mix is more
>>> important
>>> than sonic realism. In the demo process I'm using far less overheads
than
>>> I usually do to get more of a tight, close mic'ed sound. Usually I try
>> to
>>> get the drums almost all of the way with just kick/snare/OHs but there's
>>> just too much going on with these tracks.
>>
>> >Beta 52 or Audix D6 is the ticket here... the 52 is more hyped and
>>>requires less EQ to cut through and be big.
>>
>> Either one of these are great. My last Soul/Funk album we used the Beta
52
>> and dug it a lot, we just had to move it around to find the sweet spot.
>> This
>> new album, I decided to try a D6 that a friend had. I just stuck it in
>> there
>> and this mic sounded great out of the box. Nice punch that sits well in
>> the
>> mix. Now with my D6 and 52 I'm pretty much covered.
>>
>> mb
>>
>
>> Dude,
>
> Does it get crowded in your head with all the voices????
>
What voices??? I can't hear anything because of all the noise!!!
;o)Yeah,
I just read this post and thought "why is he draggin the presets folder
instead of...?"
As far as the presets go, no you can't use them automagically, but I spent
an hour or two opening them in another program (can't remember which one)
writing down the settings and them manually applying them in Paris,
then saving them in the Native effects Library, which worked fine.
Ted
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Well, I got it. I was trying to use the Presets folder instead of the plugins
>folder. Duh,
>
>Thanks for the help Gantt and Ted. By the way, is there anyway of using
the
>presets yet on a Mac?
>
>Thanks again,
>mb
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Ted,
>>Ok, wrapper is gone.
>>I'm dragging my "UAD-1 presets folder" into the Paris folder (thanks to
>Gantt
>>for that). Then I set the VST path to the UAD-1 folder. And still nothing.
>>
>>If I am doing everything correct what could be a reason I'm not seeing
the
>>UAD card?
>>
>>mb
>>
>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>There's no need for a wrapper of any sort. UAD-vst plugs dragged, not
copied,
>>>directly into whatever folder you're using for vst plug-ins in Paris,
which
>>>needs to be in the same folder as your Paris app. I'm also running 9.2.2
>>>on a G4...
>>>
>>>Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>>other
>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
where
>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>
>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>
>>>>mb
>>>>
>>>
>>
>very cool idea Ted, I'll try that with an old version of digital performer
I have and see if that works.
thanks
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah,
>
>I just read this post and thought "why is he draggin the presets folder
>instead of...?"
>
>As far as the presets go, no you can't use them automagically, but I spent
>
>an hour or two opening them in another program (can't remember which one)
>writing down the settings and them manually applying them in Paris,
>then saving them in the Native effects Library, which worked fine.
>
>Ted
>
>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well, I got it. I was trying to use the Presets folder instead of the plugins
>>folder. Duh,
>>
>>Thanks for the help Gantt and Ted. By the way, is there anyway of using
>the
>>presets yet on a Mac?
>>
>>Thanks again,
>>mb
>>
>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Ted,
>>>Ok, wrapper is gone.
>>>I'm dragging my "UAD-1 presets folder" into the Paris folder (thanks to
>>Gantt
>>>for that). Then I set the VST path to the UAD-1 folder. And still nothing.
>>>
>>>If I am doing everything correct what could be a reason I'm not seeing
>the
>>>UAD card?
>>>
>>>mb
>>>
>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>There's no need for a wrapper of any sort. UAD-vst plugs dragged, not
>copied,
>>>>directly into whatever folder you're using for vst plug-ins in Paris,
>which
>>>>needs to be in the same folder as your Paris app. I'm also running 9.2.2
>>>>on a G4...
>>>>
>>>>Ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>>>other
>>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
>where
>>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>>
>>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>>
>>>>>mb
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I could have bought these mics for $3500.00 from the owner before they went
to EBay .
You don't know how tempted I was.......well yeah, you probably do ;o) the
cashflow situation wasn't quite in the zone at the time.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25011 2257896
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:465257db$1@linux...
>
> DPA 3503 is the best I've ever used. Just a tad on the expensive side.
> DPA
> 4003 is also excellent. Earthworks SR30, Josephson c42MP, Gefell M270,
> Schoeps
> CMC 62 H, Sennheiser MKH800, Sanken Microphones CO-100k.
>
> lower cost SDs that works well include the Beyer MC930 and the Km84.
>
> Gene
>
> "Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>Thanks. Eugene.
>On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:47:25 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>If I remember right, you could export segments in ver 2.xx ... would this
>work for ya?
>
>AA
>
Nope. That feature was added in ver 3.
pabOn 22 May 2007 12:51:00 +1000, "michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com>
wrote:
>
>just find where you want to split the tracks and select all and cut on marker
>line. Then, move all the first section into a new project. Name it something
>else, since it's a new song, or first half... etc!
>That's what Aaron was talking about.
>
I'll probably just find more convenient break points - like mentioned
before, say somewhere around 30min each. It should be easy enough to
find a spot that will allow me to split without creating an obvious
edit point in the finished tracks.
If I would just spend the $300 to get v.3, I could render segments.
But I can't justify that, especially considering the current state of
support. If I'm dropping $300 on a piece of software, there better be
soemone there to support it.
pabThe post you were responding to was about both countries.
If you only meant to discuss one of them Don, you really didn't make
that clear.
It's pretty obvious why Chas called you on that one, and it's not his
problem to fix. Nor does he deserve that level of condescension. Sheesh.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> Pay attention.
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
> Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
> wars
>
> He is claiming that it was a small group within the countries that
> did it, and it was not an act of war.
>
> In the case of Afghanistan, that is clearly not the case. That is what I
> said. You brought up Iraq and tried to conflate the two.
>
> You got caught.
>
> Now, if you want to make a case about Iraq, go ahead.
>
> DC
>
>
> Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>> "Amazing" only if you don't bother to read the entire first sentence
>> of Bill's post to which your response began with this word "Rubbish."
>>
>> What's "amazing" to me is that you're so easily amazed.
>>
>> chas.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 May 2007 01:24:53 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wait a minute here. Where did I say a WORD about Iraq?
>>> Did you even read the previous posts?
>>>
>>> amazing...
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>> Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>>> Afghanistan, yes: clear connection to originators of 9/11; Iraq, no:
>>>> zero evidence then and now of even the slightest complicity in the
>>>> attacks of Sept. 01. Take your "rubbish" out with the rest of your
>>>> trash.
>>>>
>>>> --chas.
>>>>
>>>> On 21 May 2007 23:57:37 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rubbish. That's like not blaming the Nazis for the beer hall putsch...
>>>>> It was just those few lunatics...
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no difference in any way that matters, between the leadership
> of
>>>>> the Mullahs in Afghanistan and the AQ's they harbored. And it was an
>>>>> act of war. Period.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>> There is one salient difference between WWI & II and our wars in
>>>>>> Afghanistan and Iraq. We did not start the WWs. We did start the recent
>>>>>> wars. You can't call 9/11 acts of war from those nations. They are acts
>>>>>> of vindictiveness from a tiny group of completely evil lunatic fringe
>>>>>> players.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>>>>>>>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>>>>>>> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is
> a
>>> war
>>>>>>> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an
> Islamic
>>>>>>> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big
> dumb
>>>>>>>> bore.
>>>>>>> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come
>>> to
>>>>>>> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did
> we
>>>>> get in
>>>>>>> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be
> better
>>>>>>> thought of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.'
>>> -
>>>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>>>>>>>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>>>>>>>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom.
>>> I
>>>>>>>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>>>>>>>> you dig?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way
> one
>>>>>>>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish
>>>>> him
>>>>>>>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control
> and
>>>>>>>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them,
>>> and
>>>>>>>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect
> on
>>> us.
>>>>>>>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way
> they
>>>>>>>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>>>>>>>> pathetic.>
>>>>>>> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>>>>>>>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>>>>>>>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people
> who
>>>>>>>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>>>>>>>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er
>>> lives.
>>>>>>>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone
>>> ever
>>>>>>> try?
>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>>>>>>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately
>>>>>>>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and
> I
>>> hold
>>>>>>>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>>>>>>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and
> Janet
>>>>>>>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>>>>>>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
>>>>>>> children.
>>>>>>>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men,
> oh
>>> God
>>>>>>> no,
>>>>>>>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
>>>>>>> practicing
>>>>>>>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>>>>>>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>>>>>>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both
>>> the
>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid
>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
>>>>>>> Pearl
>>>>>>>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain
> an
>>>>>>>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>>>>>>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the
> choice
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better
>>> keep
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> eye on these guys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>>>>>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms
> for
>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>>>>>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>>>>>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
>>>>>>> Why
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and
> brave,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> hated
>>>>>>>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for
> then
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak
>>> or
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> timid."
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> brave."
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> active,
>>>>>>>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the
> home
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>>>>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain."
>> 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.' -
> Winston Churchill
Fact check:
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12
Quotes Falsely Attributed:
These quotes make for good story-telling but popular myth has falsely
attributed them to Churchill.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Rich Lamanna wrote:
>> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
>> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
>
> Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a war
> against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an Islamic
> theocratic caliphate on the free world.
>
>> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big dumb
>> bore.
>
> We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come to
> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did we get in
> return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be better
> thought of.
>
> Rich
>
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:464e6433@linux...
>> It was too early when I wrote that.
>>
>> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support
>> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. I
>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail freedom,
>> you dig?
>>
>> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one
>> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish him
>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control and
>> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them, and
>> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on us.
>> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way they
>> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
>> pathetic.>
> Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the terrorists
>> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people who
>> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
>> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er lives.
>>
>> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone ever
> try?
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
>>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
> Unfortunately
>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I hold
>>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and intolerant
>>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
>>>
>>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and Janet
>>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a
>>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling
>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
> children.
>>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh God
> no,
>>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
> practicing
>>> for violent Jihad.
>>>
>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the violent
>>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
>>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the
> DC
>>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to
> the
>>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel
> Pearl
>>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an
>>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
>>>
>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
>>>
>>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.
>>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom
> of
>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the choice
> to
>>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better keep
> an
>>> eye on these guys.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
> news:464d8d4f@linux...
>>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part of
>>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
>>>>
>>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
>>>>
>>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
>>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms for all
>>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
>>>>
>>>> “Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
>>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
>>>> There is no other price actually.”
>>>> — L. RON HUBBARD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
>>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the flames.
> Why
>>> the
>>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
>>>>>
>>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant
> in
>>> its
>>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
>>>>>
>>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement outside a
>>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
>>>>>
>>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave,
>>> and
>>>>> hated
>>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it
>>> costs
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
>>>>>
>>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the
>>>>> timid."
>>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
>>>>>
>>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to the
>>> brave."
>>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
>>>>>
>>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant,
> the
>>>>> active,
>>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
>>>>>
>>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the home of
>>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
>>>>>
>>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
>>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain." --
>>>>> Winston Churchill
>>>>>
>>>>> Guidance,
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>Dunno how many of you watch "Family Guy," but I think I just heard
one of the funniest lines in television history.
Sunday's episode had Death granting Peter his wish to go back to when
he was 18 for one day.
They run into an 18-year-old, smokin' hot Lois at the pool. Brian,
who has the hots for Lois anyway, utters the line (now remember, we're
in 1984) "Can I wham my oingo boingo into your velvet underground?"
McFarlane is a genius.
pab"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:464f363b@linux...
>
> Yep Don, dangerous naivety is an epidemic these days. It leads to
> blindered thinking on all sides, which can lead to naive, sometimes
> idiotically cocksure choices by whoever happens to be in charge. Leading
> to actions that may in fact be counterproductive to the actual goals most
> everyone SAYS they believe in.
>
> But then, when a situation predictably deteriorates, the easy
> rationalization is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Well sure, but it could
> also have been much, much better.
>
> And this shaky rationalization, this flawed logic, this possible delusion
> is sometimes used to justify continued marching, blindly, in a wrong
> direction.
>
> "Hey, let's feel good about the continued screwups because IT COULD HAVE
> BEEN WORSE."
>
> Followed by the completely irrational "In fact, we'd better KEEP SCREWING
> IT UP UNTIL AT LAST WE SUCCEED!"
>
> Go team! Over the cliff.
>
> "Uh, OK, sure we're now falling toward the jagged rocks below, but IT
> COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!" :^)
>
> There's probably a diagnosis for this type of rationalized psychotic
> malfeasance.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
But he did say this:
"I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this
Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We
have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many
long months of toil and struggle.
"You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with all
our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war against a
monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human
crime.
"You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory
at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however long and hard
the road may be. For without victory there is no survival."
—First speech as Prime Minister, House of Commons, 13 May 1940.
Sounds familiar to me.Thadster... here's an Audix D6 for you to check out... no EQ on
the kick at all, just a D6 through a Chandler TG2, and a
Multband compressor plugin... 3-band with the mid band ducked
down from 400hz to 3k. Yeah it's metal, but ths kick sound could
work with a lot of rock - you can hear it almost isolated in
the beginning where it's just drums & bass:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/SedationFinalMixMP3. mp3
(this version has the toms improved/less 'boxy', for those of
you who may have checked out the first version)
Kind of a "Disturbed" meets "Breaking Benjamin" vibe, innit?
NeilNeil, for that "dream theater" huge drum sound, try that D6 on the floor
toms :)
AA
"Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46527651$1@linux...
>
> Thadster... here's an Audix D6 for you to check out... no EQ on
> the kick at all, just a D6 through a Chandler TG2, and a
> Multband compressor plugin... 3-band with the mid band ducked
> down from 400hz to 3k. Yeah it's metal, but ths kick sound could
> work with a lot of rock - you can hear it almost isolated in
> the beginning where it's just drums & bass:
>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/SedationFinalMixMP3. mp3
>
> (this version has the toms improved/less 'boxy', for those of
> you who may have checked out the first version)
>
> Kind of a "Disturbed" meets "Breaking Benjamin" vibe, innit?
>
> NeilI know there's a way, I had to do it with a nightmare of a project for
Wayman ( on a client project ) before Ver 3 came out copying out tracks that
were duplicated from the intro of the album to the end.... I tell you what
man, now you've got my curiousity on this one. Might've been the adat
loopback but I sure thought we exported off and duped tracks in software. I
have to drive to Dallas tomorrow but I'll try to figure this out when I get
back, might even toss an EDS in a spare PC and load 2.2 on it. I'd hate to
foul up my normal rig, so it may take a little timeto build off a new one to
test with.
Holla back here if you figure it out or give up in the meanwhile.
AA
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:p6o453d24faa52rnsadv6q1tdepe035f0b@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:47:25 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>If I remember right, you could export segments in ver 2.xx ... would this
>>work for ya?
>>
>>AA
>>
>
> Nope. That feature was added in ver 3.
>
> pab
>Aaron, I use D4's on all the toms - those are pretty good &
deep-sounding, too. In this song he only used the floor tom in
three small sections, but the main problem is: this particular
drummer hits his toms pretty lightly, as you can probably tell.
He's a good solid hitter on the kick & snare, which any
recordist appreciates, and he's all over the brass like the
fucking opening sequence of "2001", but for some reason he hits
his toms kinda soft.
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Neil, for that "dream theater" huge drum sound, try that D6 on the floor
>toms :)
>
>AA
>
>
>"Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46527651$1@linux...
>>
>> Thadster... here's an Audix D6 for you to check out... no EQ on
>> the kick at all, just a D6 through a Chandler TG2, and a
>> Multband compressor plugin... 3-band with the mid band ducked
>> down from 400hz to 3k. Yeah it's metal, but ths kick sound could
>> work with a lot of rock - you can hear it almost isolated in
>> the beginning where it's just drums & bass:
>>
>> http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/SedationFinalMixMP3. mp3
>>
>> (this version has the toms improved/less 'boxy', for those of
>> you who may have checked out the first version)
>>
>> Kind of a "Disturbed" meets "Breaking Benjamin" vibe, innit?
>>
>> Neil
>
>If he's got anything over a 14", and you have a spare D6 or two... trust me,
give it a try :)
Might be that he's not smacking the toms because of elevation level, stroke
angle or tuning/head type. Just one drummer's opin though, but I've found
that the feedback from the head, shell and angle make a big difference in my
20 something years of shell experience.
Curious.... is he using deep shell toms? Lot of times those don't clear the
kick and have to be wedged to an uncomfortable position.
AA
"Ne" <IOUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:46527bd8$1@linux...
>
> Aaron, I use D4's on all the toms - those are pretty good &
> deep-sounding, too. In this song he only used the floor tom in
> three small sections, but the main problem is: this particular
> drummer hits his toms pretty lightly, as you can probably tell.
> He's a good solid hitter on the kick & snare, which any
> recordist appreciates, and he's all over the brass like the
> fucking opening sequence of "2001", but for some reason he hits
> his toms kinda soft.
>
> Neil
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Neil, for that "dream theater" huge drum sound, try that D6 on the floor
>
>>toms :)
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46527651$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Thadster... here's an Audix D6 for you to check out... no EQ on
>>> the kick at all, just a D6 through a Chandler TG2, and a
>>> Multband compressor plugin... 3-band with the mid band ducked
>>> down from 400hz to 3k. Yeah it's metal, but ths kick sound could
>>> work with a lot of rock - you can hear it almost isolated in
>>> the beginning where it's just drums & bass:
>>>
>>> http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/SedationFinalMixMP3. mp3
>>>
>>> (this version has the toms improved/less 'boxy', for those of
>>> you who may have checked out the first version)
>>>
>>> Kind of a "Disturbed" meets "Breaking Benjamin" vibe, innit?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>>
>Thad is that your email address?
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Hey LaMont,
>
>I use BartPE (http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/) at work where we are constantly
>imaging machines. It's a slightly involved process to get the CD made, but
>it's not that tough. If you like I can send you one of ours, just email
me
>your address.
>
>TCB
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's Ghost.
>>But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost program.
>> Is there a way to :
>>
>>-Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
>>Thanks..LaMont
>Thanks Mark, Chris & Thad..
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's Ghost.
>But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost program.
> Is there a way to :
>
>-Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
>Thanks..LaMontThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Curious.... is he using deep shell toms? Lot of times those
don't clear the kick and have to be wedged to an uncomfortable
position.
Nah, here's a shot of him at the kit, exactly the way he set
it up to his liking...
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---=_linux4652823a--I think you answered the wrong post, Deej, sounds like you're reacting
to the point that Churchill didn't actually say that stuff about being
liberal and conservative by certain ages that we keep seeing quoted
smugly as a (false, as it happens) justification for a particular filter
set.
But is it the new talking point to compare Bush to Churchill? Last I
heard, Bush was comparing himself to Lincoln.
Politicians (or their PR proxies) will sometimes attempt to invoke
images and comparisons in an attempt to flatter themselves and their
policies, whether generally appropriate or not.
Comparing our current president to Churchill is a stretch. But it would
be an interesting discussion.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:464f363b@linux...
>> Yep Don, dangerous naivety is an epidemic these days. It leads to
>> blindered thinking on all sides, which can lead to naive, sometimes
>> idiotically cocksure choices by whoever happens to be in charge. Leading
>> to actions that may in fact be counterproductive to the actual goals most
>> everyone SAYS they believe in.
>>
>> But then, when a situation predictably deteriorates, the easy
>> rationalization is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Well sure, but it could
>> also have been much, much better.
>>
>> And this shaky rationalization, this flawed logic, this possible delusion
>> is sometimes used to justify continued marching, blindly, in a wrong
>> direction.
>>
>> "Hey, let's feel good about the continued screwups because IT COULD HAVE
>> BEEN WORSE."
>>
>> Followed by the completely irrational "In fact, we'd better KEEP SCREWING
>> IT UP UNTIL AT LAST WE SUCCEED!"
>>
>> Go team! Over the cliff.
>>
>> "Uh, OK, sure we're now falling toward the jagged rocks below, but IT
>> COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!" :^)
>>
>> There's probably a diagnosis for this type of rationalized psychotic
>> malfeasance.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
> But he did say this:
>
> "I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this
> Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We
> have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many
> long months of toil and struggle.
> "You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with all
> our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war against a
> monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human
> crime.
>
> "You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory
> at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however long and hard
> the road may be. For without victory there is no survival."
>
> —First speech as Prime Minister, House of Commons, 13 May 1940.
>
> Sounds familiar to me.
>
>
>
>
>
>I bet you get more of that Sabian china than you'd like :)
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4652823a$1@linux...
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Curious.... is he using deep shell toms? Lot of times those
> don't clear the kick and have to be wedged to an uncomfortable
> position.
>
> Nah, here's a shot of him at the kit, exactly the way he set
> it up to his liking...No, not at all! It was really pretty darn manageable with no
problem -
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listen to it, you'll see. I have a Paiste China that's
MUCH louder... if he had stuck that one there in that same
spot, then that might've been a problem.
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I bet you get more of that Sabian china than you'd like :)
>AA
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4652823a$1@linux...
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Curious.... is he using deep shell toms? Lot of times those
>> don't clear the kick and have to be wedged to an uncomfortable
>> position.
>>
>> Nah, here's a shot of him at the kit, exactly the way he set
>> it up to his liking...
>
>That was funny...I thought the funniest line was "son of a bitch!"...coming
from a dog - funny...coming from a dog smarter than most humans - hilarious....
I'm glad they brought this one back...now if the rumors are true, that "Futurama"
is being made again, I can die happy...
Strangely enough, someone asked me the other day why they don't have out-takes
and blooper reels from animated shows - and they were serious -
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>Dunno how many of you watch "Family Guy," but I think I just heard
>one of the funniest lines in television history.
>
>Sunday's episode had Death granting Peter his wish to go back to when
>he was 18 for one day.
>
>They run into an 18-year-old, smokin' hot Lois at the pool. Brian,
>who has the hots for Lois anyway, utters the line (now remember, we're
>in 1984) "Can I wham my oingo boingo into your velvet underground?"
>
>McFarlane is a genius.
>
>pabAs I think about it more, I remember capturing an image of the UAD plug
presets opened in another app, saving the image with the appropriate name,
and duplicating it in Paris using the visual reference.
T
"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>very cool idea Ted, I'll try that with an old version of digital performer
>I have and see if that works.
>
>thanks
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah,
>>
>>I just read this post and thought "why is he draggin the presets folder
>>instead of...?"
>>
>>As far as the presets go, no you can't use them automagically, but I spent
>>
>>an hour or two opening them in another program (can't remember which one)
>>writing down the settings and them manually applying them in Paris,
>>then saving them in the Native effects Library, which worked fine.
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Well, I got it. I was trying to use the Presets folder instead of the
plugins
>>>folder. Duh,
>>>
>>>Thanks for the help Gantt and Ted. By the way, is there anyway of using
>>the
>>>presets yet on a Mac?
>>>
>>>Thanks again,
>>>mb
>>>
>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Ted,
>>>>Ok, wrapper is gone.
>>>>I'm dragging my "UAD-1 presets folder" into the Paris folder (thanks
to
>>>Gantt
>>>>for that). Then I set the VST path to the UAD-1 folder. And still nothing.
>>>>
>>>>If I am doing everything correct what could be a reason I'm not seeing
>>the
>>>>UAD card?
>>>>
>>>>mb
>>>>
>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>There's no need for a wrapper of any sort. UAD-vst plugs dragged, not
>>copied,
>>>>>directly into whatever folder you're using for vst plug-ins in Paris,
>>which
>>>>>needs to be in the same folder as your Paris app. I'm also running 9.2.2
>>>>>on a G4...
>>>>>
>>>>>Ted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"michael bliss" <mbliss1@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>can't seem to get the plug to work since I re-installed Paris for some
>>>>other
>>>>>>issues I was having.
>>>>>>Just a quick run through should suffice. Where do I put the wrapper,
>>where
>>>>>>do I point the VST folder in Paris too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>please help, I'll send candy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>mb
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Jaimie,
I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing this by
just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing before we fwent in
to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
:"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings.
The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery".-Winston
Churchill
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4652832d$1@linux...
>
> I think you answered the wrong post, Deej, sounds like you're reacting to
> the point that Churchill didn't actually say that stuff about being
> liberal and conservative by certain ages that we keep seeing quoted
> smugly as a (false, as it happens) justification for a particular filter
> set.
>
> But is it the new talking point to compare Bush to Churchill? Last I
> heard, Bush was comparing himself to Lincoln.
>
> Politicians (or their PR proxies) will sometimes attempt to invoke images
> and comparisons in an attempt to flatter themselves and their policies,
> whether generally appropriate or not.
>
> Comparing our current president to Churchill is a stretch. But it would be
> an interesting discussion.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:464f363b@linux...
>>> Yep Don, dangerous naivety is an epidemic these days. It leads to
>>> blindered thinking on all sides, which can lead to naive, sometimes
>>> idiotically cocksure choices by whoever happens to be in charge. Leading
>>> to actions that may in fact be counterproductive to the actual goals
>>> most everyone SAYS they believe in.
>>>
>>> But then, when a situation predictably deteriorates, the easy
>>> rationalization is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Well sure, but it
>>> could also have been much, much better.
>>>
>>> And this shaky rationalization, this flawed logic, this possible
>>> delusion is sometimes used to justify continued marching, blindly, in a
>>> wrong direction.
>>>
>>> "Hey, let's feel good about the continued screwups because IT COULD HAVE
>>> BEEN WORSE."
>>>
>>> Followed by the completely irrational "In fact, we'd better KEEP
>>> SCREWING IT UP UNTIL AT LAST WE SUCCEED!"
>>>
>>> Go team! Over the cliff.
>>>
>>> "Uh, OK, sure we're now falling toward the jagged rocks below, but IT
>>> COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!" :^)
>>>
>>> There's probably a diagnosis for this type of rationalized psychotic
>>> malfeasance.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>> But he did say this:
>>
>> "I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this
>> Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We
>> have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us
>> many long months of toil and struggle.
>> "You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with
>> all our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war
>> against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable
>> catalogue of human crime.
>>
>> "You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory.
>> Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however
>> long and hard the road may be. For without victory there is no survival."
>>
>> —First speech as Prime Minister, House of Commons, 13 May 1940.
>>
>> Sounds familiar to me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Email is my initials (at the bottom of all of my posts, that lovely little
circled a, then thadbrown followed by a dot and a top level domain suffix
that begins with c and ends with an m.
TCB
"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Thad is that your email address?
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey LaMont,
>>
>>I use BartPE (http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/) at work where we are constantly
>>imaging machines. It's a slightly involved process to get the CD made,
but
>>it's not that tough. If you like I can send you one of ours, just email
>me
>>your address.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's Ghost.
>>>But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost program.
>>> Is there a way to :
>>>
>>>-Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
>>>Thanks..LaMont
>>
>DJ wrote:
> Jaimie,
>
> I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing this by
> just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing before we fwent in
> to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
Are you saying Bush essentially stole from Churchill's speeches?
The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone in
and racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix"
Bush I's unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid to
agree with Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings.
> The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery".-Winston
> Churchill
Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions? :^)
"Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
-Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> ;o)
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4652832d$1@linux...
>> I think you answered the wrong post, Deej, sounds like you're reacting to
>> the point that Churchill didn't actually say that stuff about being
>> liberal and conservative by certain ages that we keep seeing quoted
>> smugly as a (false, as it happens) justification for a particular filter
>> set.
>>
>> But is it the new talking point to compare Bush to Churchill? Last I
>> heard, Bush was comparing himself to Lincoln.
>>
>> Politicians (or their PR proxies) will sometimes attempt to invoke images
>> and comparisons in an attempt to flatter themselves and their policies,
>> whether generally appropriate or not.
>>
>> Comparing our current president to Churchill is a stretch. But it would be
>> an interesting discussion.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:464f363b@linux...
>>>> Yep Don, dangerous naivety is an epidemic these days. It leads to
>>>> blindered thinking on all sides, which can lead to naive, sometimes
>>>> idiotically cocksure choices by whoever happens to be in charge. Leading
>>>> to actions that may in fact be counterproductive to the actual goals
>>>> most everyone SAYS they believe in.
>>>>
>>>> But then, when a situation predictably deteriorates, the easy
>>>> rationalization is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Well sure, but it
>>>> could also have been much, much better.
>>>>
>>>> And this shaky rationalization, this flawed logic, this possible
>>>> delusion is sometimes used to justify continued marching, blindly, in a
>>>> wrong direction.
>>>>
>>>> "Hey, let's feel good about the continued screwups because IT COULD HAVE
>>>> BEEN WORSE."
>>>>
>>>> Followed by the completely irrational "In fact, we'd better KEEP
>>>> SCREWING IT UP UNTIL AT LAST WE SUCCEED!"
>>>>
>>>> Go team! Over the cliff.
>>>>
>>>> "Uh, OK, sure we're now falling toward the jagged rocks below, but IT
>>>> COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!" :^)
>>>>
>>>> There's probably a diagnosis for this type of rationalized psychotic
>>>> malfeasance.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But he did say this:
>>>
>>> "I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this
>>> Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We
>>> have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us
>>> many long months of toil and struggle.
>>> "You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with
>>> all our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war
>>> against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable
>>> catalogue of human crime.
>>>
>>> "You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory.
>>> Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however
>>> long and hard the road may be. For without victory there is no survival."
>>>
>>> —First speech as Prime Minister, House of Commons, 13 May 1940.
>>>
>>> Sounds familiar to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>I dunno, Deej, I don't remember that. I remember being told that we had to
stop Iraq's nuclear weapon's program, get that uranium yellowcake out of
Saddamm's hands, shut down the mobile chem/bio weapons labs, destroy vast
stockpiles of nerve gas, and that we would be welcomed as liberators.
And about that 'ongoing' war. Again, in my recollection Saddam invaded Kuwait,
Bush the Elder (an imperial jackass of a president to be sure, but nevertheless
a statesman of no minor skill) put together a _real_ coalition to enforce
a UN resolution that Iraq leave the country. After they were chased out,
didn't that effectively end the war?
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Jaimie,
>
>I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing this
by
>just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing before we fwent
in
>to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
>
>:"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings.
>The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery".-Winston
>Churchill
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4652832d$1@linux...
>>
>> I think you answered the wrong post, Deej, sounds like you're reacting
to
>> the point that Churchill didn't actually say that stuff about being
>> liberal and conservative by certain ages that we keep seeing quoted
>> smugly as a (false, as it happens) justification for a particular filter
>> set.
>>
>> But is it the new talking point to compare Bush to Churchill? Last I
>> heard, Bush was comparing himself to Lincoln.
>>
>> Politicians (or their PR proxies) will sometimes attempt to invoke images
>> and comparisons in an attempt to flatter themselves and their policies,
>> whether generally appropriate or not.
>>
>> Comparing our current president to Churchill is a stretch. But it would
be
>> an interesting discussion.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:464f363b@linux...
>>>> Yep Don, dangerous naivety is an epidemic these days. It leads to
>>>> blindered thinking on all sides, which can lead to naive, sometimes
>>>> idiotically cocksure choices by whoever happens to be in charge. Leading
>>>> to actions that may in fact be counterproductive to the actual goals
>>>> most everyone SAYS they believe in.
>>>>
>>>> But then, when a situation predictably deteriorates, the easy
>>>> rationalization is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Well sure, but it
>>>> could also have been much, much better.
>>>>
>>>> And this shaky rationalization, this flawed logic, this possible
>>>> delusion is sometimes used to justify continued marching, blindly, in
a
>>>> wrong direction.
>>>>
>>>> "Hey, let's feel good about the continued screwups because IT COULD
HAVE
>>>> BEEN WORSE."
>>>>
>>>> Followed by the completely irrational "In fact, we'd better KEEP
>>>> SCREWING IT UP UNTIL AT LAST WE SUCCEED!"
>>>>
>>>> Go team! Over the cliff.
>>>>
>>>> "Uh, OK, sure we're now falling toward the jagged rocks below, but IT
>>>> COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!" :^)
>>>>
>>>> There's probably a diagnosis for this type of rationalized psychotic
>>>> malfeasance.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But he did say this:
>>>
>>> "I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this
>>> Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.
We
>>> have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us
>>> many long months of toil and struggle.
>>> "You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with
>>> all our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war
>>> against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable
>>> catalogue of human crime.
>>>
>>> "You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory.
>>> Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however
>>> long and hard the road may be. For without victory there is no survival."
>>>
>>> —First speech as Prime Minister, House of Commons, 13 May 1940.
>>>
>>> Sounds familiar to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>but scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
I know a guy who is fond of saying that people always get the government
they deserve."Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>but scary.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
>
>I know a guy who is fond of saying that people always get the government
>they deserve.I can't believe anyone still falls for these "look how STUPID people
are" scams anymore...
From Leno to Michael Moore to Borat this technique can be
used to make any darn point you want to make.
You simply "interview" enough
people and sooner or later you will have enough "stupid" people
clips to not only get on TeeVee, but to feel a bit more smug and
superior every time you watch your own hatchet job...
I've worked in TeeVee land and I can tell you that the story
is told in the script and the edit bay, not in the street...
Now imagine this:
Find a University prez, interview her on one subject after another
until she says something "stupid". A-HA!! Now we have a
"stupid" University College President to get people all a-twitter
about and *everyone* gets their 15 minutes of feeling superior...
Once we get out of the edit bay, that is...
Bollocks
DCI wonder how many people didn't fit their profile and therefore weren't
shown. Irom the apparent age of *most* of these folks, I'd wager that they
are products of the public school system that has had free reign since the
Great Society programs of the middle 60's started taking over and the
dumbing down our educational system. I'd say, if anything, this is a
testament to the effectiveness of the *progressive* agendas and teachers
unions that have dominated our public schools for the last 35 years. I
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46533f55$1@linux...
>
> but scary.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
>
> I know a guy who is fond of saying that people always get the government
> they deserve.On 2007-05-21 17:16:41 -0700, John DiBernardo
<johnd@tempolakestudios.com> said:
> Just reconfiguring a slumbering full Paris system -
> Still wanting to use Paris for the forseeable future.
>
> Wondering about the pro's and cons of using PCI cards.
> Thinking about picking up a used TC Powercore...
>
> Anyone experienced with that or is there a better alternative?
>
> PS - I have a mac 1.25 with 2gb of ram
Any Mac setup guru's in thee house?I think mics are the acoustic guitars of pro audio. A good $3000 acoustic
will sound notably better than a good $2000 guitar, and that rule keeps going
on from there. The cheaper mic options are obviously better than they were
fifteen years ago before a market existed for, say, a ribbon at $1k, but
every time I use someone else's really, really nice mics instead of my merely
nice mics I wish I made a lot more money.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I could have bought these mics for $3500.00 from the owner before they went
>to EBay .
>
>You don't know how tempted I was.......well yeah, you probably do ;o) the
>cashflow situation wasn't quite in the zone at the time.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25011 2257896
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:465257db$1@linux...
>>
>> DPA 3503 is the best I've ever used. Just a tad on the expensive side.
>> DPA
>> 4003 is also excellent. Earthworks SR30, Josephson c42MP, Gefell M270,
>> Schoeps
>> CMC 62 H, Sennheiser MKH800, Sanken Microphones CO-100k.
>>
>> lower cost SDs that works well include the Beyer MC930 and the Km84.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> "Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>>>looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>>>Thanks. Eugene.
>>
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46532f2d@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> Jaimie,
>>
>> I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing this
>> by just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing before we
>> fwent in to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
>
> Are you saying Bush essentially stole from Churchill's speeches?
I didn't hear Bush use these words or anything close really. I think he is
confronted by a similar situation and tried to express the same things to a
nation, half of whom, doesn't believe that we are at war.
>
> The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
You noticed??? ;o)....well.....even Churchill had Gallipoli.
>
> Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone in and
> racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix" Bush I's
> unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid to agree with
> Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
>
I think clinton was elected president at one of the most pvotal times in the
history of the human race and utterly failed to realize what his
responsibilities really were. Hell man, even I recognized this, and he's
supposed to be the Rhodes scholar genius.
>
>> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
>> blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
>> misery".-Winston Churchill
>
> Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
I think each creates the need for the other, actually. They are
yin/yang'esque
>
> BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions? :^)
I sorta' liked Sarah's sojurn into the mind of Samuel Clemens ;o)
>
> "Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
> -Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
Crash truly rocks. You're gonna have to meet "th'basket" sometime.
;o)After they were chased out,
> didn't that effectively end the war?
>
> TCB
well.........no.....I don't believe it ended anything. Sadaam said he's play
nice and abide by sanctions. We all knew what a pussycat he was and were so
shocked when a megalomaniac who, at every photo op took it upon himself to
act as if he had transplanted a rifle into his groin so he could ejaculate
bullets intop the sky for the world press corps.............but by Sadaam
being Sadaam, he signed his own death warrant.
I think Clinton could have done a lot more to really enforce sanctions
rather than posture for the world popularity contest while we were getting
dealt under the table by *our allies*. His ego and Sadaam's were pretty
similar, their behaviours equally stupid and in Clinton's case,
unforgivable.
;o)On 22 May 2007 22:28:14 +1000, "wireline"
<wirelinestudio@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>That was funny...I thought the funniest line was "son of a bitch!"...coming
>from a dog - funny...coming from a dog smarter than most humans - hilarious....
>
>I'm glad they brought this one back...now if the rumors are true, that "Futurama"
>is being made again, I can die happy...
>
>Strangely enough, someone asked me the other day why they don't have out-takes
>and blooper reels from animated shows - and they were serious -
>
That's the thing I love about FG, aside from the inside jokes and
insane pop-culture references. The smartest, most with-it member of
the family is an alcholic dog named Brian. And yes, Brian saying "son
of a bitch" was also hilarious.
I agree. I've seen the exisiting Futuramas a dozen times each - it's
time for some fresh material.
pab"To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole
Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day hero ...
assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched
dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an un-winnable urban
guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater
instability."
- George H.W. Bush
Baby Bush shoulda listened to Big Bush instead of to "the crazies" (how Bush
I's administration referred to the "neocons").
If this crusade is truly a righteous one, and if six figure "collateral
damage" is an acceptable loss for what we've gained (?) so far, then why
screw around? Why not just kill everyone between India and the
Mediterranean (except for Israel, of course)? It's the only way to be sure.
We must have the technology. After that we should probably just eliminate
all Muslims around the world, since apparently the Quran compels true
believers to kill non-Muslims. Islamic extremists are a cancer on
civilisation, and you have to get the surrounding tissue when you remove a
cancer.
It's only logical.
S
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4653036d$1@linux...
> Jaimie,
>
> I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing this
> by just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing before we
> fwent in to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
>
> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings.
> The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
> misery".-Winston Churchill
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4652832d$1@linux...
>>
>> I think you answered the wrong post, Deej, sounds like you're reacting to
>> the point that Churchill didn't actually say that stuff about being
>> liberal and conservative by certain ages that we keep seeing quoted
>> smugly as a (false, as it happens) justification for a particular filter
>> set.
>>
>> But is it the new talking point to compare Bush to Churchill? Last I
>> heard, Bush was comparing himself to Lincoln.
>>
>> Politicians (or their PR proxies) will sometimes attempt to invoke images
>> and comparisons in an attempt to flatter themselves and their policies,
>> whether generally appropriate or not.
>>
>> Comparing our current president to Churchill is a stretch. But it would
>> be an interesting discussion.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:464f363b@linux...
>>>> Yep Don, dangerous naivety is an epidemic these days. It leads to
>>>> blindered thinking on all sides, which can lead to naive, sometimes
>>>> idiotically cocksure choices by whoever happens to be in charge.
>>>> Leading to actions that may in fact be counterproductive to the actual
>>>> goals most everyone SAYS they believe in.
>>>>
>>>> But then, when a situation predictably deteriorates, the easy
>>>> rationalization is that IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE. Well sure, but it
>>>> could also have been much, much better.
>>>>
>>>> And this shaky rationalization, this flawed logic, this possible
>>>> delusion is sometimes used to justify continued marching, blindly, in a
>>>> wrong direction.
>>>>
>>>> "Hey, let's feel good about the continued screwups because IT COULD
>>>> HAVE BEEN WORSE."
>>>>
>>>> Followed by the completely irrational "In fact, we'd better KEEP
>>>> SCREWING IT UP UNTIL AT LAST WE SUCCEED!"
>>>>
>>>> Go team! Over the cliff.
>>>>
>>>> "Uh, OK, sure we're now falling toward the jagged rocks below, but IT
>>>> COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!" :^)
>>>>
>>>> There's probably a diagnosis for this type of rationalized psychotic
>>>> malfeasance.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But he did say this:
>>>
>>> "I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this
>>> Government, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We
>>> have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us
>>> many long months of toil and struggle.
>>> "You ask what is our policy. I will say, it is to wage war with
>>> all our might, with all the strength that God can give us, to wage war
>>> against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable
>>> catalogue of human crime.
>>>
>>> "You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory.
>>> Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however
>>> long and hard the road may be. For without victory there is no
>>> survival."
>>>
>>> -First speech as Prime Minister, House of Commons, 13 May 1940.
>>>
>>> Sounds familiar to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>Thought you were...but seems like you are right about the ones and zeroes
:)
"Neil" <IUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:4652553f$1@linux...
>
> I was just joking about the drive being "out of phase".
>
> :)
>
>
>
> "edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>I have no idea, I've never used it, but if so, I stand corrected. . .
>>
>>"Neil" <IUI@OI.com> wrote in message news:46507062$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "edna" > wrote:
>>>>I believe Norton Utilities has one that writes zeros to the entire
>>>>drive.
>>>
>>> Doesn't it have to write an equal amount of "1's", as well -
>>> otherwise the drive would be out of phase?
>>>
>>> :D
>>
>>
>OK, yeah, you said it: ". . . we spent a lot of money and killed a lot of
people to be no safer than we were." Putting it mildly. This whole Iraq
fiasco has only put us in more danger. I can't think of a better example of
trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
S
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4651a643$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>Hmm . . . sounds more like the consequences of what you believe is
>>implicit
>
>>in my statements. So, like I said, you're assuming assumptions not in
>>evidence.
>
> Waitaminute!
>
> You said: (sarcastically)
> ---
> Yes, clearly the world so much a better place now than 6 years ago.
> I know I feel safer.
> ---
>
> Which means that some other set of choices would have made us
> safer, or that we spent a lot of money and killed a lot of people to
> be no safer than we were.
>
> I'm just looking to understand here.
>
> best
>
> DC
>:)Cute..
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Email is my initials (at the bottom of all of my posts, that lovely little
>circled a, then thadbrown followed by a dot and a top level domain suffix
>that begins with c and ends with an m.
>
>TCB
>
>"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Thad is that your email address?
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey LaMont,
>>>
>>>I use BartPE (http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/) at work where we are constantly
>>>imaging machines. It's a slightly involved process to get the CD made,
>but
>>>it's not that tough. If you like I can send you one of ours, just email
>>me
>>>your address.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Guys & Gals.. I need to ghost my System drive. I have Symantec's
Ghost.
>>>>But, I don;t have a floppy drive on this computer to boot the ghost program.
>>>> Is there a way to :
>>>>
>>>>-Create a bootable CD for Cdrom access both Ghost a drive ?
>>>>Thanks..LaMont
>>>
>>
>A friend of mine does language development with public schools in a major US
city - the stories
he's told me about not just students' lack of education at the high school
leve, but also teachers (with Masters degrees) really is scary.
It's as bad as the video - no kidding, no editing, no pick and choose the
worst - just random samplings.
I also do some work with an education development company, and a private
investor who is working
on improving education - the current state of education in the US is, in too
many cases (certainly not all),
far below survival level. The Leno comedy spot may be funnier when edited,
but in real life, it's troubling.
Dedric
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:46534768$1@linux...
>
> I can't believe anyone still falls for these "look how STUPID people
> are" scams anymore...
>
> From Leno to Michael Moore to Borat this technique can be
> used to make any darn point you want to make.
>
> You simply "interview" enough
> people and sooner or later you will have enough "stupid" people
> clips to not only get on TeeVee, but to feel a bit more smug and
> superior every time you watch your own hatchet job...
>
> I've worked in TeeVee land and I can tell you that the story
> is told in the script and the edit bay, not in the street...
>
> Now imagine this:
> Find a University prez, interview her on one subject after another
> until she says something "stupid". A-HA!! Now we have a
> "stupid" University College President to get people all a-twitter
> about and *everyone* gets their 15 minutes of feeling superior...
>
> Once we get out of the edit bay, that is...
>
> Bollocks
>
>
> DC
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>OK, yeah, you said it: ". . . we spent a lot of money and killed a lot of
>people to be no safer than we were." Putting it mildly. This whole Iraq
>fiasco has only put us in more danger. I can't think of a better example
of
>trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
But all this is, of course, unknowable! It depends on your
assumptions.
We don't KNOW what would have happened if Clinton was
around still and had bombed a couple of more asprin factories
in respone to 9-11.
We don't know what would have happened had he
gone running when the next soldiers bodies were dragged
through the streets of some hellhole
We do know that OBL used the number of times we were
attacked and the weakness of our response to claim that
we were unable to respond in any other way but weakness.
We know this because he said it.
Your assertion is, at best, an "alternative history" version
that we cannot know the truth of one way or another.
What do you make of this?
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/flf/article.php?ID=9
I can get you hundreds more...
How would you answer someone who said that we no longer
have the guts to actually win a war; that the people at home
and the press no longer have the stomach to fight for freedom?
That Iraq is indeed becoming "another Vietnam" with
wretches like Jane Fonda making sure we lose, and then
not feeling the least bit of guilt from the bloodbath that follows?
Ths question has always been; do they want democracy?
On this, the whole thing hinges. I think a lot of them do, but
we have to stop calling the war (which has actually been going
well recently) "lost" and undercutting this effort.
You probably won't agree, and I will not call you disloyal,
but I do think you are wrong on this.
DC"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>A friend of mine does language development with public schools in a major
US
>city - the stories
>he's told me about not just students' lack of education at the high school
>leve, but also teachers (with Masters degrees) really is scary.
>It's as bad as the video - no kidding, no editing, no pick and choose the
>worst - just random samplings.
Of course, your friend is simply doing another form of editing
isn't he? That's HIS school system and his experience.
We sent our youngest to public school, and I was really nervous...
Frankly, they are working her little butt off, and the class is
learning well, and the teachers are really dedicated.
Most people, Americans, Brits, whatever, are NOT stupid.
This editing to support a preconception is why Cohen is
still fielding lawsuits from Borat...
>I also do some work with an education development company, and a private
>investor who is working
>on improving education - the current state of education in the US is, in
too
>many cases (certainly not all),
>far below survival level. The Leno comedy spot may be funnier when edited,
>but in real life, it's troubling.
It's nothing at all, unless you were there, saw ALL the interviews
and watched the editing. That is the only way to know the
veracity of it.
I was the guy who provided audio feeds for the big Baby Fae
baboon heart transplant event. I watched the story change
from what I knew to be true, what I saw the media being
exposed to, to their take on it, and I can tell you the change was
significant, and that was when they were sympathetic...
These hatchet jobs are not the place to get one's ideas about
education in America.
DCI use AKG 451s for all my SDC sources. They're pretty good. I used some
KM 184s for OHs recently and liked them better for that purpose. I had
some SM81s too, but to my ears they were not as good as the 451s on
anything really.
Bill
dale wrote:
> I'm also in the market for a small diaphragm / general purpose mic. If anyone
> has experience with Shure KSM141 or Shure SM81 I would appreciate their feedback
> on these as well. I have a KM184 which is a nice choice for acoustic guitar,
> and would expect the Shures to be less colored than the Neuman.
>
> I've also been told that with a pop filter the SM81 makes a very nice vocal
> mic--but I haven't heard much about the KSM141.
>
> Thanks,
> Dale
>
> P.S. I've been told the Octava small dia. mikes are nice for ac. guitar,
> but have also heard that their quality can vary significantly from mic to
> mic.
>
>
> "Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Any favourites?I have an AT4031 and an akg C1000 and was
>> looking at a KM184.Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Thanks. Eugene.
>Massive Grunt is an incredibly funny band name. I can't stop laughing.
It coalesces images of orgasming teenagers and constipated senior
citizens. Hideously exquisite.
Isn't Massive Grunt the name of the Spinal Tap comeback album?
Bill
Paul Braun wrote:
> On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:38:09 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Yamaha subkick would be something to consider. It has allowed me to
>> thwart smarmy mousse on a number of occasions and imparts massive grunt. The
>> ATM 25 also imparts a character that is subliminally deep hued , with
>> overtones of pungency without being inchoate..
>>
>
> OK. If I ever start a rock band, I will either call it Smarmy Mousse
> or Massive Grunt.
>
> Haven't decided yet.
>
> pabOur government is a republic in the traditional sense. Landed wealthy
citizens choose the leaders by giving the funds to get elected. If the
individual people truly chose we would probably already be a communist
state.
We have no force behind handling illegal immigration because the
managers and owners of companies that use lots of cheap labor don't want
to lose their source. Politicians know exactly what side their bread is
buttered on.
Sorry for the cynicism, but in this case I really think it is just too
obvious what is going on. You can clearly see the reluctance of
politicians across the board to do anything to cost their wealthy
supporters a penny in higher worker's wages.
Bill
John wrote:
> The old saying "Fight the cause and not the effect" applies here. They come
> for jobs. Remove the jobs and they don't come. Our government is the dumbest
> government I could ever have dreamed up. The will jump on a gay marriage
> or a Terry Shivo (sp) case in 1 second because it gets attention instead
> of addressing the key critical problems.
>
> dumb beyond belief......I gave up watching cspan because it was so infuriating.
> Back to the Daily Show.
>
> JohnThe G4 1.25GHz should work fine. I cant remember for sure if the TC Powercore
works, but I think it does.
James
John DiBernardo <johnd@tempolakestudios.com> wrote:
>On 2007-05-21 17:16:41 -0700, John DiBernardo
><johnd@tempolakestudios.com> said:
>
>> Just reconfiguring a slumbering full Paris system -
>> Still wanting to use Paris for the forseeable future.
>>
>> Wondering about the pro's and cons of using PCI cards.
>> Thinking about picking up a used TC Powercore...
>>
>> Anyone experienced with that or is there a better alternative?
>>
>> PS - I have a mac 1.25 with 2gb of ram
>
>Any Mac setup guru's in thee house?
>I know someone emailed me with the identities of the mystery dudes in
the photos.
Apparently, finger spasms made the email go away.
How about a repeat?
Thanks. I've got an update to do, but don't want to waste the time if
I have to do it again right away.
Thanks!
pab"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:46537917@linux...
> "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole
> Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day hero ...
> assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched
> dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an un-winnable
> urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even
> greater instability."
>
> - George H.W. Bush
And you are referring to what coalition????...................the one that
Clinton failed to hold together the minute he was elected???
>
> Baby Bush shoulda listened to Big Bush instead of to "the crazies" (how
> Bush I's administration referred to the "neocons").
Bush I had achieved a scenario wherein if Sadaam violated sanctions, there
were remedies. No one was willing to explore those remedies in any kind of
serious way. this is Clintons major crime, IMO. He had a duty to do this and
he didn't. As the 90's wore on, a billionaire maniac who paid blood money to
the familes of terrorists to ensure that the could more easlily walk into
Israeli shipping malls and restaurants and murder people while he flaunted
UN authority was buiding his time until sham sanctions were officially
lifted while in Afghanistan, the weaselly rich wannabee who felt dissed
because the Saudi's didn't want him to defend them from Sadaam and decided
it should be us, collects the scum of the earth and every other variety of
homicidal miscreant, gets some lunatic mullas to deify them in their own
minds and sends these Aassholes around the world to kill people.
Sorry Sarah....some things are not complicated at all.
>
> If this crusade is truly a righteous one, and if six figure "collateral
> damage" is an acceptable loss for what we've gained (?) so far, then why
> screw around? Why not just kill everyone between India and the
> Mediterranean (except for Israel, of course)? It's the only way to be
> sure. We must have the technology. After that we should probably just
> eliminate all Muslims around the world, since apparently the Quran compels
> true believers to kill non-Muslims. Islamic extremists are a cancer on
> civilisation, and you have to get the surrounding tissue when you remove a
> cancer.
>
> It's only logical.
Because if you listen to the majority of the international press, they would
have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this world like
the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who would like to be rid
of them.
In spite of the apparent lunacy that I see on the left side of the aisle, I
think that they have a huge part to play in the downfall of these cretins.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/hekmat-mansoor/2001/misc/ris e-fall-islam.htm
....if the left doesn't screw the pooch beforehand and in so doing, take
those in this country that are still willing to fight for it with them.
;o)In the end there are a few simple truths the wise leader uses for guidance:
1. Force begets force
2. Ideas not bullets win in the long run (though dissemination requires
patient work)
3. False data and corrupt ideas from the mouths of evil leaders can only
be defeated by truth. Truth is not introduced with force.
Ergo, war is the desperate act of a leader who has already lost his way
and his confidence and has no right to lead.
Bill
DC wrote:
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Had they known the true story of how they were in many ways manipulated
> into
>> war they might have changed their mind.
>
> I doubt it, and I think you have overstated the manipulation.
>
> Since Vietnam, we seem to be finding "Tonkin Gulf Incidents"
> all over the place...
>
>
>> Combining that with thousands of years of guerrilla
>> fighting by the Afghans that left guerrilla tactics almost in their blood
>> and it didn't take much for them to improvise on the theme.
>
> All true. Yet, they fell so quickly! Don't you think the fall
> of the Taliban was a good thing?
>
> Don't get me started on what we did in the name of anti-
> communism. But that is *really* not the point here unless
> you just intend to make some moral case (based on what?)
> that we had it coming, despite our support of Muslims?
>
>
>> Two questions. There will millions of Afghans in Iran as well as Pakistan.
>> They received no military training (hell, the Iranians didn't even want
> to
>> feed them), and there is no evidence that they ever planned to do anything
>> against the us. Why?
>
> I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. Maybe you could
> rephrase it?
>
>> Second, if it's an islamist ideology to blame, why were
>> the Tajiks and Uzbeks (islamists to the man) who made up the Northern Alliance
>> still fighting against (mostly) Pashtun Afghans on 9/11, and why did the
>> readily accept our aid an arms when we attacked the country?
>
> What is your definition of Islamist?
>
> If it is Islamic triumphalism through ther actions of Allah, then you
> are right and there are other reasons for the things you mention.
> If it is Islamic triumphalism through a new caliphate and the
> subjugation of all the infidels into moslems or dhimmis, then
> perhaps they were/are different sorts of Islamists.
>
>
>>>> Iraq? A pure, simple war of aggression, for which history will judge us
>>> grimly.
>
>
>>> Now, you compare these facts with the ones that got us into
>>> WWI and see if you have not grossly overstated this...
>>>
>>> Iraq had a nuclear reactor. Israel destroyed it
>>> Iraq invaded its neighbor and had designs on the Saudis
>>> Iraq financially supported terrorists and hosted them
>>> Iraq developed poison gas and used it on the Kurds
>>> Iraq wiped out entire families, used rape as torture,
>>> tortured in most creative and unpleasant manners and
>>> killed people for even looking at Saddam in a non-respectful
>>> manner
>>> Iraq got caught planning the assassination of a US President
>>> Iraq defied 17 UN resolutions
>>> Iraq defied the no-fly zone
>
>
>> None of which made Iraq in any way a threat to the US.
>
> WHEW! and the archduke's murder of course, was a big one!
>
>
>> Lots of countries
>> in the best graces of the US torture and kill their own citizens. And while
>> they invaded one neighbor and got slapped around by the US, when they invaded
>> Iran we gave them guns, money, helpful advice, and visits from Donald Rumsfeld.
>
> So what? Would you have us attack all or none? Because
> every evil was not addressed, should no evils be addressed?
>
> What is you
> r point here?
>
>> Could Iraq have put together any sort of conventional military campaign
> against
>> the US?
>
> Not the issue. Support for terror and real concern, the world
> over, (including every Democrat who ran for President last time)
> that this was the guy most likely to make real trouble in the
> near future was the issue.
>
>
>> If Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan did not consider Iraq in 2001 a
>> threat to their security, how could the US possibly feel that way?
>
> Is there some lack of evidence for Saddam's plans? Does the
> opinions of these "leaders" change that evidence? How?
>
>
>> It's just
>> a war of aggression.
>
> Bull. It's a war for democracy. Will it succeed? Who the
> hell knows?
>
> But THIS is the issue that matters: Are those people in Iraq
> capable of living in a democracy? Do they even want one?
>
> This is the big gamble we have taken. I do not know the
> answer but millions of Iraqi's do want democracy so perhaps
> there is hope.
>
> Your answer is both too simple and too cynical.
>
> DCThat is exactly why we need a third party candidate that is not bought and
paid for by the corporations and the foreign governments. We also need to
throw the two party House and Senate out on there asses too. They all need
to go. We need people that are in it for WE THE PEOPLE. It takes uniting,
it takes faith, it takes courage. It takes, not saying there is nothing
we can do about it. We as a people can do some thing to change it. Too
many people are brainwashed by unions, and the media. They vote how they
are told, and just like good little voters we keep voting in the lesser of
two evils. Come on we can get better people than we have had up for election
in recent years. Everybody knows it, but are too afraid, so they stick to
the party lines. We keep getting the same fighting, incompetent assholes
running the country. It's time for a real change, and I don't mean Hillary
Clinton either.
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Our government is a republic in the traditional sense. Landed wealthy
>citizens choose the leaders by giving the funds to get elected. If the
>individual people truly chose we would probably already be a communist
>state.
>
>We have no force behind handling illegal immigration because the
>managers and owners of companies that use lots of cheap labor don't want
>to lose their source. Politicians know exactly what side their bread is
>buttered on.
>
>Sorry for the cynicism, but in this case I really think it is just too
>obvious what is going on. You can clearly see the reluctance of
>politicians across the board to do anything to cost their wealthy
>supporters a penny in higher worker's wages.
>
>Bill
>
>
>John wrote:
>> The old saying "Fight the cause and not the effect" applies here. They
come
>> for jobs. Remove the jobs and they don't come. Our government is the
dumbest
>> government I could ever have dreamed up. The will jump on a gay marriage
>> or a Terry Shivo (sp) case in 1 second because it gets attention instead
>> of addressing the key critical problems.
>>
>> dumb beyond belief......I gave up watching cspan because it was so infuriating.
>> Back to the Daily Show.
>>
>> JohnI'm kinda leanin' toward DC and DJ on this one . . . these things are meant
to be amusing, therefore . . . think about it . . . if the majority of us
were that dumb/apathetic, who would laugh? They'd all be going . . . "I
don't get it . . . "
I don't find it that amusing because it bothers me when anyone is poorly
educated or just lacks curiosity, and I don't think anyone would argue that
in general our education system needs some help.
The thought of those people voting . . . now that is scary. :)
S
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message news:465384b3@linux...
>A friend of mine does language development with public schools in a major
>US city - the stories
> he's told me about not just students' lack of education at the high school
> leve, but also teachers (with Masters degrees) really is scary.
> It's as bad as the video - no kidding, no editing, no pick and choose the
> worst - just random samplings.
>
> I also do some work with an education development company, and a private
> investor who is working
> on improving education - the current state of education in the US is, in
> too many cases (certainly not all),
> far below survival level. The Leno comedy spot may be funnier when
> edited, but in real life, it's troubling.
>
> Dedric
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:46534768$1@linux...
>>
>> I can't believe anyone still falls for these "look how STUPID people
>> are" scams anymore...
>>
>> From Leno to Michael Moore to Borat this technique can be
>> used to make any darn point you want to make.
>>
>> You simply "interview" enough
>> people and sooner or later you will have enough "stupid" people
>> clips to not only get on TeeVee, but to feel a bit more smug and
>> superior every time you watch your own hatchet job...
>>
>> I've worked in TeeVee land and I can tell you that the story
>> is told in the script and the edit bay, not in the street...
>>
>> Now imagine this:
>> Find a University prez, interview her on one subject after another
>> until she says something "stupid". A-HA!! Now we have a
>> "stupid" University College President to get people all a-twitter
>> about and *everyone* gets their 15 minutes of feeling superior...
>>
>> Once we get out of the edit bay, that is...
>>
>> Bollocks
>>
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>So . . . hang on a minute here . . . you're saying you think we SHOULD kill
all Muslims, starting with the entire Middle East?
S
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4653a4f0@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:46537917@linux...
>> "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole
>> Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day hero ...
>> assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched
>> dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an un-winnable
>> urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even
>> greater instability."
>>
>> - George H.W. Bush
>
> And you are referring to what coalition????...................the one that
> Clinton failed to hold together the minute he was elected???
>
>>
>> Baby Bush shoulda listened to Big Bush instead of to "the crazies" (how
>> Bush I's administration referred to the "neocons").
>
> Bush I had achieved a scenario wherein if Sadaam violated sanctions, there
> were remedies. No one was willing to explore those remedies in any kind of
> serious way. this is Clintons major crime, IMO. He had a duty to do this
> and he didn't. As the 90's wore on, a billionaire maniac who paid blood
> money to the familes of terrorists to ensure that the could more easlily
> walk into Israeli shipping malls and restaurants and murder people while
> he flaunted UN authority was buiding his time until sham sanctions were
> officially lifted while in Afghanistan, the weaselly rich wannabee who
> felt dissed because the Saudi's didn't want him to defend them from Sadaam
> and decided it should be us, collects the scum of the earth and every
> other variety of homicidal miscreant, gets some lunatic mullas to deify
> them in their own minds and sends these Aassholes around the world to kill
> people.
>
> Sorry Sarah....some things are not complicated at all.
>>
>> If this crusade is truly a righteous one, and if six figure "collateral
>> damage" is an acceptable loss for what we've gained (?) so far, then why
>> screw around? Why not just kill everyone between India and the
>> Mediterranean (except for Israel, of course)? It's the only way to be
>> sure. We must have the technology. After that we should probably just
>> eliminate all Muslims around the world, since apparently the Quran
>> compels true believers to kill non-Muslims. Islamic extremists are a
>> cancer on civilisation, and you have to get the surrounding tissue when
>> you remove a cancer.
>>
>> It's only logical.
>
> Because if you listen to the majority of the international press, they
> would have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this
> world like the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who would
> like to be rid of them.
>
> In spite of the apparent lunacy that I see on the left side of the aisle,
> I think that they have a huge part to play in the downfall of these
> cretins.
>
> http://www.marxists.org/archive/hekmat-mansoor/2001/misc/ris e-fall-islam.htm
>
> ...if the left doesn't screw the pooch beforehand and in so doing, take
> those in this country that are still willing to fight for it with them.
>
> ;o)
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4653944b$1@linux...
>
>
> How would you answer someone who said that we no longer
> have the guts to actually win a war; that the people at home
> and the press no longer have the stomach to fight for freedom?
I would say that's nonsense . . . the only thing we've lost the stomach for
is going to war under false pretenses and killing the wrong people. And the
only thing the press lost the stomach for was challenging administration
policy for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" in the aftermath of 9/11.
Osama bin Laden is not stupid. He goads us into war hoping we'll get mired
down until we collapse. He saw what happened to the Soviet Union in
Afghanistan and probably figures he knows how to bring down a giant with a
slingshot. If bin Laden is capable of happiness, I'm sure George Bush has
brought him some.
Unfortunately for our soldiers and the innocent citizens of Iraq, our
leadership IS stupid. Stupid and dishonest. Those would be really radical
statements if experienced military leaders and intelligence veterans weren't
saying the same thing in more polite ways.
It's really hard to admit that we've wasted billions of dollars and
thousands of lives, but continuing to make the same mistake hoping for a
different result is generally considered to be insane.
How 'bout we use those dollars and manpower to secure our borders and secure
our ports and use the international intelligence network to find and kill
terrorists? And how 'bout we stop listening to "leaders" with vested
interests in oil and defense contracts? Hmmm?
If that's lefty lunacy, sign me up.
SDC - no actually, it was a cross sampling of several school systems covering
probably a million or so kids total. Of course not all are lacking so
extremely, but the public school stats are scary, even here.
I'm also not talking about the Leno comedy spots, but real world numbers.
Of course, there are plenty of intelligent Americans, but there are far more
people with little clue about basic geography, basic government structure,
civic awareness, math and reading skills. A business entrepreneur I work
for is on a board here in our state looking at public and social systems and
organizations, education being one. What those comedy spots don't tell you
is where we are really falling behind. Sure, those are edited for the sake
of humor, but if you and I think our experiences with kids in school
represent even 80% of the students in school, you and I are kidding
ourselves (our son's school is in one of the top ranked districts in the
state and is an innovative and progressive program, but it's hardly covering
the majority of students in our city).
Sure, take the YouTube videos with a huge grain of salt, but also don't
think that all is well in Pleasantville. It isn't.
Regards,
Dedric
On 5/22/07 7:20 PM, in article 465396ed$1@linux, "DC"
<dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>> A friend of mine does language development with public schools in a major
> US
>> city - the stories
>> he's told me about not just students' lack of education at the high school
>
>> leve, but also teachers (with Masters degrees) really is scary.
>> It's as bad as the video - no kidding, no editing, no pick and choose the
>
>> worst - just random samplings.
>
>
> Of course, your friend is simply doing another form of editing
> isn't he? That's HIS school system and his experience.
>
> We sent our youngest to public school, and I was really nervous...
> Frankly, they are working her little butt off, and the class is
> learning well, and the teachers are really dedicated.
>
> Most people, Americans, Brits, whatever, are NOT stupid.
> This editing to support a preconception is why Cohen is
> still fielding lawsuits from Borat...
>
>
>> I also do some work with an education development company, and a private
>
>> investor who is working
>> on improving education - the current state of education in the US is, in
> too
>> many cases (certainly not all),
>> far below survival level. The Leno comedy spot may be funnier when edited,
>
>> but in real life, it's troubling.
>
>
> It's nothing at all, unless you were there, saw ALL the interviews
> and watched the editing. That is the only way to know the
> veracity of it.
>
> I was the guy who provided audio feeds for the big Baby Fae
> baboon heart transplant event. I watched the story change
> from what I knew to be true, what I saw the media being
> exposed to, to their take on it, and I can tell you the change was
> significant, and that was when they were sympathetic...
>
> These hatchet jobs are not the place to get one's ideas about
> education in America.
>
> DC
>What?
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_patent_i s_for_gui_synthesizer_computer_system/Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>In the end there are a few simple truths the wise leader uses for guidance:
>
>1. Force begets force
Bill, I respect your ideas. They are internally consistent and very
hopeful at their heart. No one changes their mind because of these
exchanges and I don't know why we do them sometimes.
But,
You know as well as I that sometimes force begets peace such as
in our history with Japan and in the case of stopping a rapist.
>2. Ideas not bullets win in the long run (though dissemination requires
>patient work)
Sometimes the bullets have to come first.
>3. False data and corrupt ideas from the mouths of evil leaders can only
>be defeated by truth. Truth is not introduced with force.
Tell it to the folks at Auschwitz...
>Ergo, war is the desperate act of a leader who has already lost his way
>and his confidence and has no right to lead.
And sometimes force is the only virtue available and it makes all the
other virtues possible.
But I doubt you agree.
Have a nice night.
DC"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>I would say that's nonsense . . . the only thing we've lost the stomach
for
>is going to war under false pretenses and killing the wrong people. And
the
>only thing the press lost the stomach for was challenging administration
>policy for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" in the aftermath of 9/11.
Answer #32 (with subtext of number 17).
>Osama bin Laden is not stupid. He goads us into war hoping we'll get mired
>down until we collapse. He saw what happened to the Soviet Union in
>Afghanistan and probably figures he knows how to bring down a giant with
a
>slingshot. If bin Laden is capable of happiness, I'm sure George Bush has
>brought him some.
Answer #19 with answer 7 implied, but not meant as an insult...
>Unfortunately for our soldiers and the innocent citizens of Iraq, our
>leadership IS stupid. Stupid and dishonest. Those would be really radical
>statements if experienced military leaders and intelligence veterans weren't
>saying the same thing in more polite ways.
>
>It's really hard to admit that we've wasted billions of dollars and
>thousands of lives, but continuing to make the same mistake hoping for a
>different result is generally considered to be insane.
Answer number 22 with a repitition of 17 above, but of course, you are
not like that!!
>How 'bout we use those dollars and manpower to secure our borders and secure
>our ports and use the international intelligence network to find and kill
>terrorists? And how 'bout we stop listening to "leaders" with vested
>interests in oil and defense contracts? Hmmm?
Agreement limited to answer #9 only, with reservations expressed in
number 49...
>If that's lefty lunacy, sign me up.
>
>S
Oh-tay
You know, I am starting to see your face when I read your post.
I don't want to debate much tonight.
We need all kinds to make a good world. Your kind as well as mine.
best,
DCDedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>DC - no actually, it was a cross sampling of several school systems covering
>probably a million or so kids total. Of course not all are lacking so
>extremely, but the public school stats are scary, even here.
Ok, now take clips of smarmy Borat goading hicks, chirpy Brit
newsies sarcastically talking about an America that exists only in
their gin-soaked brains, and smirky pothead comics drooling over their
latest put-down, and take out all the idiots they edited in, and replace
them with, oh say a guy talking about string theory, and another
expounding on photonic computers, and maybe one more discussing
the marine archeology of the Black Sea... People like this are not hard
to find.
Then who looks really stupid??
There is no one, no one on earth, who looks more stupid than he who
stacks the deck so he may find himself superior...
>Sure, take the YouTube videos with a huge grain of salt, but also don't
>think that all is well in Pleasantville. It isn't.
A grain of salt? Hell, I say take them with a Colonoscopy and you
will understand their true worth...
take care
DCA fine example of why software patents are inherently questionable. Are they
patenting a new product, an actual 'invention,' or are they claiming the
ADSR envelope and a mod matrix + a computer GUI 'combines three or more signals
in a way that might be confusing to the user?' And thus everyone who makes
a soft infringes on their patent or owes a royalty to Apple. We can't tell.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>What?
>
> http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_patent_i s_for_gui_synthesizer_computer_system/Good news and bad news...
Bad news. The little guy died over night. My wife got home and found
a little baby jay, looking quite good, sitting in the lawn. Well, I thought
the little bugger had jumped out of his box, so I went and got our
improvised nest out of the tree only to find a dead baby Jay. Damn damn
damn... I was most unhappy. I have no idea what happened. Mom and
Dad were guarding my little nest and everything.
The live one on the lawn was his sibling of course. He was still 1/2
down and couldn't fly at all, so I called up a friend, and she took him
in. She has 20+ birds and rescues baby birds all the time, so this one
is in good hands.
She thinks a week or two of being fed, and he can be released.
Knock on wood...
DCUh oh . . . damn . . . ya caught me stealing answers from the Liberal
Talking Point Encyclopedia. Well, surely you don't expect someone who's
still liberal at my age to be able to think for herself . . . (knocking on
skull) . . . hear that echo? Nuthin' . . .
S
PS: Explain the two kinds of people for me sometime when you have a few
minutes . . .
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4653cdb5$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>
>>I would say that's nonsense . . . the only thing we've lost the stomach
> for
>>is going to war under false pretenses and killing the wrong people. And
> the
>>only thing the press lost the stomach for was challenging administration
>
>>policy for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" in the aftermath of 9/11.
>
> Answer #32 (with subtext of number 17).
>
>
>
>>Osama bin Laden is not stupid. He goads us into war hoping we'll get
>>mired
>
>>down until we collapse. He saw what happened to the Soviet Union in
>>Afghanistan and probably figures he knows how to bring down a giant with
> a
>>slingshot. If bin Laden is capable of happiness, I'm sure George Bush has
>
>>brought him some.
>
> Answer #19 with answer 7 implied, but not meant as an insult...
>
>
>
>>Unfortunately for our soldiers and the innocent citizens of Iraq, our
>>leadership IS stupid. Stupid and dishonest. Those would be really
>>radical
>
>>statements if experienced military leaders and intelligence veterans
>>weren't
>
>>saying the same thing in more polite ways.
>>
>>It's really hard to admit that we've wasted billions of dollars and
>>thousands of lives, but continuing to make the same mistake hoping for a
>
>>different result is generally considered to be insane.
>
> Answer number 22 with a repitition of 17 above, but of course, you are
> not like that!!
>
>
>>How 'bout we use those dollars and manpower to secure our borders and
>>secure
>
>>our ports and use the international intelligence network to find and kill
>
>>terrorists? And how 'bout we stop listening to "leaders" with vested
>>interests in oil and defense contracts? Hmmm?
>
> Agreement limited to answer #9 only, with reservations expressed in
> number 49...
>
>
>>If that's lefty lunacy, sign me up.
>>
>>S
>
> Oh-tay
>
> You know, I am starting to see your face when I read your post.
> I don't want to debate much tonight.
>
> We need all kinds to make a good world. Your kind as well as mine.
>
> best,
>
> DC
>those who see fighting a gorilla war with conventional means as smart
and those who don't.
those who see giving up rights for "safety sakes" as necessary
and those who don't.
....something like that...damn, i meant to stay out of this...
On Wed, 23 May 2007 01:05:31 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:
>Uh oh . . . damn . . . ya caught me stealing answers from the Liberal
>Talking Point Encyclopedia. Well, surely you don't expect someone who's
>still liberal at my age to be able to think for herself . . . (knocking on
>skull) . . . hear that echo? Nuthin' . . .
>
>S
>
>PS: Explain the two kinds of people for me sometime when you have a few
>minutes . . .
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4653cdb5$1@linux...
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I would say that's nonsense . . . the only thing we've lost the stomach
>> for
>>>is going to war under false pretenses and killing the wrong people. And
>> the
>>>only thing the press lost the stomach for was challenging administration
>>
>>>policy for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" in the aftermath of 9/11.
>>
>> Answer #32 (with subtext of number 17).
>>
>>
>>
>>>Osama bin Laden is not stupid. He goads us into war hoping we'll get
>>>mired
>>
>>>down until we collapse. He saw what happened to the Soviet Union in
>>>Afghanistan and probably figures he knows how to bring down a giant with
>> a
>>>slingshot. If bin Laden is capable of happiness, I'm sure George Bush has
>>
>>>brought him some.
>>
>> Answer #19 with answer 7 implied, but not meant as an insult...
>>
>>
>>
>>>Unfortunately for our soldiers and the innocent citizens of Iraq, our
>>>leadership IS stupid. Stupid and dishonest. Those would be really
>>>radical
>>
>>>statements if experienced military leaders and intelligence veterans
>>>weren't
>>
>>>saying the same thing in more polite ways.
>>>
>>>It's really hard to admit that we've wasted billions of dollars and
>>>thousands of lives, but continuing to make the same mistake hoping for a
>>
>>>different result is generally considered to be insane.
>>
>> Answer number 22 with a repitition of 17 above, but of course, you are
>> not like that!!
>>
>>
>>>How 'bout we use those dollars and manpower to secure our borders and
>>>secure
>>
>>>our ports and use the international intelligence network to find and kill
>>
>>>terrorists? And how 'bout we stop listening to "leaders" with vested
>>>interests in oil and defense contracts? Hmmm?
>>
>> Agreement limited to answer #9 only, with reservations expressed in
>> number 49...
>>
>>
>>>If that's lefty lunacy, sign me up.
>>>
>>>S
>>
>> Oh-tay
>>
>> You know, I am starting to see your face when I read your post.
>> I don't want to debate much tonight.
>>
>> We need all kinds to make a good world. Your kind as well as mine.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> DC
>>
>Now you've done it.
S
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i50853t6lnvnucdqr6t27eodbi8oss2a59@4ax.com...
> those who see fighting a gorilla war with conventional means as smart
> and those who don't.
> those who see giving up rights for "safety sakes" as necessary
> and those who don't.
> ...something like that...damn, i meant to stay out of this...
>
>
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 01:05:31 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Uh oh . . . damn . . . ya caught me stealing answers from the Liberal
>>Talking Point Encyclopedia. Well, surely you don't expect someone who's
>>still liberal at my age to be able to think for herself . . . (knocking on
>>skull) . . . hear that echo? Nuthin' . . .
>>
>>S
>>
>>PS: Explain the two kinds of people for me sometime when you have a few
>>minutes . . .
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4653cdb5$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would say that's nonsense . . . the only thing we've lost the stomach
>>> for
>>>>is going to war under false pretenses and killing the wrong people. And
>>> the
>>>>only thing the press lost the stomach for was challenging administration
>>>
>>>>policy for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" in the aftermath of 9/11.
>>>
>>> Answer #32 (with subtext of number 17).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Osama bin Laden is not stupid. He goads us into war hoping we'll get
>>>>mired
>>>
>>>>down until we collapse. He saw what happened to the Soviet Union in
>>>>Afghanistan and probably figures he knows how to bring down a giant with
>>> a
>>>>slingshot. If bin Laden is capable of happiness, I'm sure George Bush
>>>>has
>>>
>>>>brought him some.
>>>
>>> Answer #19 with answer 7 implied, but not meant as an insult...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Unfortunately for our soldiers and the innocent citizens of Iraq, our
>>>>leadership IS stupid. Stupid and dishonest. Those would be really
>>>>radical
>>>
>>>>statements if experienced military leaders and intelligence veterans
>>>>weren't
>>>
>>>>saying the same thing in more polite ways.
>>>>
>>>>It's really hard to admit that we've wasted billions of dollars and
>>>>thousands of lives, but continuing to make the same mistake hoping for a
>>>
>>>>different result is generally considered to be insane.
>>>
>>> Answer number 22 with a repitition of 17 above, but of course, you are
>>> not like that!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>How 'bout we use those dollars and manpower to secure our borders and
>>>>secure
>>>
>>>>our ports and use the international intelligence network to find and
>>>>kill
>>>
>>>>terrorists? And how 'bout we stop listening to "leaders" with vested
>>>>interests in oil and defense contracts? Hmmm?
>>>
>>> Agreement limited to answer #9 only, with reservations expressed in
>>> number 49...
>>>
>>>
>>>>If that's lefty lunacy, sign me up.
>>>>
>>>>S
>>>
>>> Oh-tay
>>>
>>> You know, I am starting to see your face when I read your post.
>>> I don't want to debate much tonight.
>>>
>>> We need all kinds to make a good world. Your kind as well as mine.
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>
>Right on!
James McCloskey wrote:
> That is exactly why we need a third party candidate that is not bought and
> paid for by the corporations and the foreign governments. We also need to
> throw the two party House and Senate out on there asses too. They all need
> to go. We need people that are in it for WE THE PEOPLE. It takes uniting,
> it takes faith, it takes courage. It takes, not saying there is nothing
> we can do about it. We as a people can do some thing to change it. Too
> many people are brainwashed by unions, and the media. They vote how they
> are told, and just like good little voters we keep voting in the lesser of
> two evils. Come on we can get better people than we have had up for election
> in recent years. Everybody knows it, but are too afraid, so they stick to
> the party lines. We keep getting the same fighting, incompetent assholes
> running the country. It's time for a real change, and I don't mean Hillary
> Clinton either.
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> Our government is a republic in the traditional sense. Landed wealthy
>> citizens choose the leaders by giving the funds to get elected. If the
>> individual people truly chose we would probably already be a communist
>> state.
>>
>> We have no force behind handling illegal immigration because the
>> managers and owners of companies that use lots of cheap labor don't want
>
>> to lose their source. Politicians know exactly what side their bread is
>
>> buttered on.
>>
>> Sorry for the cynicism, but in this case I really think it is just too
>> obvious what is going on. You can clearly see the reluctance of
>> politicians across the board to do anything to cost their wealthy
>> supporters a penny in higher worker's wages.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> John wrote:
>>> The old saying "Fight the cause and not the effect" applies here. They
> come
>>> for jobs. Remove the jobs and they don't come. Our government is the
> dumbest
>>> government I could ever have dreamed up. The will jump on a gay marriage
>>> or a Terry Shivo (sp) case in 1 second because it gets attention instead
>>> of addressing the key critical problems.
>>>
>>> dumb beyond belief......I gave up watching cspan because it was so infuriating.
>>> Back to the Daily Show.
>>>
>>> John
>No, silly. I was referring to my earlier post saying we should just
list all the points and rebuttals on both sides and assign them numbers
so we could save ourselves some time. It was my answers that were
getting the numbers, not your points.
I do not think you work from anyone's talking points.
best,
DC
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Uh oh . . . damn . . . ya caught me stealing answers from the Liberal
>Talking Point Encyclopedia. Well, surely you don't expect someone who's
>still liberal at my age to be able to think for herself . . . (knocking
on
>skull) . . . hear that echo? Nuthin' . . .
>
>S
>
>PS: Explain the two kinds of people for me sometime when you have a few
>minutes . . .
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4653cdb5$1@linux...
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I would say that's nonsense . . . the only thing we've lost the stomach
>> for
>>>is going to war under false pretenses and killing the wrong people. And
>> the
>>>only thing the press lost the stomach for was challenging administration
>>
>>>policy for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" in the aftermath of 9/11.
>>
>> Answer #32 (with subtext of number 17).
>>
>>
>>
>>>Osama bin Laden is not stupid. He goads us into war hoping we'll get
>>>mired
>>
>>>down until we collapse. He saw what happened to the Soviet Union in
>>>Afghanistan and probably figures he knows how to bring down a giant with
>> a
>>>slingshot. If bin Laden is capable of happiness, I'm sure George Bush
has
>>
>>>brought him some.
>>
>> Answer #19 with answer 7 implied, but not meant as an insult...
>>
>>
>>
>>>Unfortunately for our soldiers and the innocent citizens of Iraq, our
>>>leadership IS stupid. Stupid and dishonest. Those would be really
>>>radical
>>
>>>statements if experienced military leaders and intelligence veterans
>>>weren't
>>
>>>saying the same thing in more polite ways.
>>>
>>>It's really hard to admit that we've wasted billions of dollars and
>>>thousands of lives, but continuing to make the same mistake hoping for
a
>>
>>>different result is generally considered to be insane.
>>
>> Answer number 22 with a repitition of 17 above, but of course, you are
>> not like that!!
>>
>>
>>>How 'bout we use those dollars and manpower to secure our borders and
>>>secure
>>
>>>our ports and use the international intelligence network to find and kill
>>
>>>terrorists? And how 'bout we stop listening to "leaders" with vested
>>>interests in oil and defense contracts? Hmmm?
>>
>> Agreement limited to answer #9 only, with reservations expressed in
>> number 49...
>>
>>
>>>If that's lefty lunacy, sign me up.
>>>
>>>S
>>
>> Oh-tay
>>
>> You know, I am starting to see your face when I read your post.
>> I don't want to debate much tonight.
>>
>> We need all kinds to make a good world. Your kind as well as mine.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> DC
>>
>
>DC, I totally agree with you that there are times when desperate
measures are the only ones that work. For instance if someone needs
chemotherapy for lung cancer, of course they must get it. But the wise
person doesn't smoke themselves to sickness. What I am promoting is
forethought, wisdom and pan-determined (consideration for the good of
*all* concerned) action loooooong before the stage of armed conflict.
Even in desperate times one can find solutions that are least
destructive. However they require a far better understanding of the
minds of men than recent leaders have shown. We need leaders who can
truly unite with confidence and brilliant future-thinking leadership.
The great leaders who ttruly changed the world with enlightenment were
the likes of Buddha, Jesus, Confucius, Ben Franklin, L Ron Hubbard.
These are the leaders we must seek out and theirs are the messages we
must follow.
For example, today there is a booklet of effective guiding precepts for
living, by Hubbard, called The Way To Happiness that is being
disseminated all over the world and creating a calming influence and
leading people to a happier life. http://www.twth.org/ People get false
data, and harmful concepts from many sources and they really do need a
counter-acting influence for the good.
Like I said, ideas create civilization. That is why Hubbard wrote that
artists are the most important people in a society, because they dream
and create the new civilization every day.
Bill
DC wrote:
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> In the end there are a few simple truths the wise leader uses for guidance:
>>
>> 1. Force begets force
>
> Bill, I respect your ideas. They are internally consistent and very
> hopeful at their heart. No one changes their mind because of these
> exchanges and I don't know why we do them sometimes.
>
> But,
>
> You know as well as I that sometimes force begets peace such as
> in our history with Japan and in the case of stopping a rapist.
>
>
>> 2. Ideas not bullets win in the long run (though dissemination requires
>
>> patient work)
>
> Sometimes the bullets have to come first.
>
>
>> 3. False data and corrupt ideas from the mouths of evil leaders can only
>
>> be defeated by truth. Truth is not introduced with force.
>
> Tell it to the folks at Auschwitz...
>
>
>> Ergo, war is the desperate act of a leader who has already lost his way
>
>> and his confidence and has no right to lead.
>
> And sometimes force is the only virtue available and it makes all the
> other virtues possible.
>
> But I doubt you agree.
>
> Have a nice night.
>
> DC
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>The great leaders who ttruly changed the world with enlightenment were
>the likes of Buddha, Jesus, Confucius, Ben Franklin, L Ron Hubbard.
>These are the leaders we must seek out and theirs are the messages we
>must follow.
And all of them were just people, with one exception.
He was, and is, God. So I think we have some differences in basic worldview.
take care
DCWe've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
behalf.
His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
another battle to fight.
THanks all,
JeffPrayers sent for Joshua...
Let us know how he does.
Prayers for you too...
DC
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>Jeffi feel so ashamed of myself...must have chocolate now...
On Wed, 23 May 2007 03:05:30 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:
>Now you've done it.
>
>S
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:i50853t6lnvnucdqr6t27eodbi8oss2a59@4ax.com...
>> those who see fighting a gorilla war with conventional means as smart
>> and those who don't.
>> those who see giving up rights for "safety sakes" as necessary
>> and those who don't.
>> ...something like that...damn, i meant to stay out of this...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 01:05:31 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Uh oh . . . damn . . . ya caught me stealing answers from the Liberal
>>>Talking Point Encyclopedia. Well, surely you don't expect someone who's
>>>still liberal at my age to be able to think for herself . . . (knocking on
>>>skull) . . . hear that echo? Nuthin' . . .
>>>
>>>S
>>>
>>>PS: Explain the two kinds of people for me sometime when you have a few
>>>minutes . . .
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4653cdb5$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I would say that's nonsense . . . the only thing we've lost the stomach
>>>> for
>>>>>is going to war under false pretenses and killing the wrong people. And
>>>> the
>>>>>only thing the press lost the stomach for was challenging administration
>>>>
>>>>>policy for fear of appearing "unpatriotic" in the aftermath of 9/11.
>>>>
>>>> Answer #32 (with subtext of number 17).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Osama bin Laden is not stupid. He goads us into war hoping we'll get
>>>>>mired
>>>>
>>>>>down until we collapse. He saw what happened to the Soviet Union in
>>>>>Afghanistan and probably figures he knows how to bring down a giant with
>>>> a
>>>>>slingshot. If bin Laden is capable of happiness, I'm sure George Bush
>>>>>has
>>>>
>>>>>brought him some.
>>>>
>>>> Answer #19 with answer 7 implied, but not meant as an insult...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Unfortunately for our soldiers and the innocent citizens of Iraq, our
>>>>>leadership IS stupid. Stupid and dishonest. Those would be really
>>>>>radical
>>>>
>>>>>statements if experienced military leaders and intelligence veterans
>>>>>weren't
>>>>
>>>>>saying the same thing in more polite ways.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's really hard to admit that we've wasted billions of dollars and
>>>>>thousands of lives, but continuing to make the same mistake hoping for a
>>>>
>>>>>different result is generally considered to be insane.
>>>>
>>>> Answer number 22 with a repitition of 17 above, but of course, you are
>>>> not like that!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How 'bout we use those dollars and manpower to secure our borders and
>>>>>secure
>>>>
>>>>>our ports and use the international intelligence network to find and
>>>>>kill
>>>>
>>>>>terrorists? And how 'bout we stop listening to "leaders" with vested
>>>>>interests in oil and defense contracts? Hmmm?
>>>>
>>>> Agreement limited to answer #9 only, with reservations expressed in
>>>> number 49...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If that's lefty lunacy, sign me up.
>>>>>
>>>>>S
>>>>
>>>> Oh-tay
>>>>
>>>> You know, I am starting to see your face when I read your post.
>>>> I don't want to debate much tonight.
>>>>
>>>> We need all kinds to make a good world. Your kind as well as mine.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Joshua has every prayer i can think of. i know what you're going
through as our daughter has had 2 brain tumor surgeries.
On Wed, 23 May 2007 05:38:46 -0700, Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com>
wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>JeffOur deepest prayers and thoughts go out to you and your family...
Please keep us posted...
KenOur prayers are with Joshua, you and your family.
Keep us updated.
Best,
Dedric
On 5/23/07 6:38 AM, in article 46543758@linux, "Jeff Hoover"
<jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
> behalf.
>
> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
> another battle to fight.
>
> THanks all,
>
> JeffAbsolutely. I think it's dangerous ground to allow patents on combinations
of devices that simply create an outcome or function. I could combine
water, food coloring and a bottle and patent it as a light enhancing object,
but that's obviously ridiculous, just as Apple's claim is.
I think Korg and Roland might have issue with the GUI + computer + synth =
"invention". Since Apple didn't invent the synthesizer there are a few
estates of, and current, inventors that might have a field day with Apple
for patenting the software version as part of their system. This is
humorous, unless of course Apple somehow is granted the patent and puts a
few soft synth developers or perhaps DAW builders out of business enforcing
such a lame attempt at a "inventive" claim.
In the end, assuming this goes anywhere and Apple does anything with it, the
users are the main ones destined to pay the price, as always.
May it's time Apple and Microsoft were replaced with less desperate and more
consumer friendly organizations. :-)
Now I'm off to use my GUI + synth + computer patent-infringing gear to make
a living. Just let Apple try to stop me. I have a great recipe for Swedish
Apple pie. ;-)
Dedric
On 5/22/07 11:33 PM, in article 4653d232$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
>
> A fine example of why software patents are inherently questionable. Are they
> patenting a new product, an actual 'invention,' or are they claiming the
> ADSR envelope and a mod matrix + a computer GUI 'combines three or more
> signals
> in a way that might be confusing to the user?' And thus everyone who makes
> a soft infringes on their patent or owes a royalty to Apple. We can't tell.
>
>
> TCB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What?
>>
>> http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_patent_i s_for_gui_synthes
>> izer_computer_system/
>Man that's rough... he's a tough little kid - tell to hang in
there... my thoughts are with you.
Neil
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>JeffThat is terrible news--you and your family
will be on our list bigtime.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Our prayers are with Joshua, you and your family.
>
>Keep us updated.
>
>Best,
>Dedric
>
>On 5/23/07 6:38 AM, in article 46543758@linux, "Jeff Hoover"
><jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>> behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
>> Jeff
>Ouch, I hope the news turns out to be good.
TCB
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>JeffPrayer works. You and your son have mine. I can't even imagine what you
must be going through.
Gantt
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>JeffI will pray for Joshua and your family. I'm so sorry for what your going through.
Rod Lincoln
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
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Nothing but positive energy will be sent in every form
I can think of including prayer. Good luck to Joshua and be strong.
Tom
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Rod Lincoln
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------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C79D34.1D3BD870--You have my prayers.
James
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>JeffConsider it done friend. I'm really sorry to hear this. Stay strong (all of
you)
Deej
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:46543758@linux...
> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a brain
> hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the prognosis, but
> would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his behalf.
>
> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
> another battle to fight.
>
> THanks all,
>
> JeffJeff,
My hopes and prayers are with you and your family.
Be strong, my friend.
Mark
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>JeffNo Sarah. I don't think we should kill all Muslims. I think we are obviously
on different planets here. What part of my post led you to believe that I
think this?
Deej
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4653b5af@linux...
> So . . . hang on a minute here . . . you're saying you think we SHOULD
> kill all Muslims, starting with the entire Middle East?
>
> S
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4653a4f0@linux...
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>> news:46537917@linux...
>>> "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole
>>> Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day hero
>>> ... assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely
>>> entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an
>>> un-winnable urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the
>>> world into even greater instability."
>>>
>>> - George H.W. Bush
>>
>> And you are referring to what coalition????...................the one
>> that Clinton failed to hold together the minute he was elected???
>>
>>>
>>> Baby Bush shoulda listened to Big Bush instead of to "the crazies" (how
>>> Bush I's administration referred to the "neocons").
>>
>> Bush I had achieved a scenario wherein if Sadaam violated sanctions,
>> there were remedies. No one was willing to explore those remedies in any
>> kind of serious way. this is Clintons major crime, IMO. He had a duty to
>> do this and he didn't. As the 90's wore on, a billionaire maniac who paid
>> blood money to the familes of terrorists to ensure that the could more
>> easlily walk into Israeli shipping malls and restaurants and murder
>> people while he flaunted UN authority was buiding his time until sham
>> sanctions were officially lifted while in Afghanistan, the weaselly rich
>> wannabee who felt dissed because the Saudi's didn't want him to defend
>> them from Sadaam and decided it should be us, collects the scum of the
>> earth and every other variety of homicidal miscreant, gets some lunatic
>> mullas to deify them in their own minds and sends these Aassholes around
>> the world to kill people.
>>
>> Sorry Sarah....some things are not complicated at all.
>>>
>>> If this crusade is truly a righteous one, and if six figure "collateral
>>> damage" is an acceptable loss for what we've gained (?) so far, then why
>>> screw around? Why not just kill everyone between India and the
>>> Mediterranean (except for Israel, of course)? It's the only way to be
>>> sure. We must have the technology. After that we should probably just
>>> eliminate all Muslims around the world, since apparently the Quran
>>> compels true believers to kill non-Muslims. Islamic extremists are a
>>> cancer on civilisation, and you have to get the surrounding tissue when
>>> you remove a cancer.
>>>
>>> It's only logical.
>>
>> Because if you listen to the majority of the international press, they
>> would have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this
>> world like the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who would
>> like to be rid of them.
>>
>> In spite of the apparent lunacy that I see on the left side of the aisle,
>> I think that they have a huge part to play in the downfall of these
>> cretins.
>>
>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/hekmat-mansoor/2001/misc/ris e-fall-islam.htm
>>
>> ...if the left doesn't screw the pooch beforehand and in so doing, take
>> those in this country that are still willing to fight for it with them.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qng8531ug05av5odeloce9fmsf95j75vju@4ax.com...
>i feel so ashamed of myself...must have chocolate now...
>
Coffee my man, more coffee........
;o)Don't worry Thad. Microsoft will steal it anyway and they can just let Apple
sue them until Apple runs out of lawyer money........like the ocean breaking
on the beach. Then, once they integrate it into Windows, the hackers can
crack it and it will be freeware.
Gawd, I love Bill Gates.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4653d232$1@linux...
>
> A fine example of why software patents are inherently questionable. Are
> they
> patenting a new product, an actual 'invention,' or are they claiming the
> ADSR envelope and a mod matrix + a computer GUI 'combines three or more
> signals
> in a way that might be confusing to the user?' And thus everyone who makes
> a soft infringes on their patent or owes a royalty to Apple. We can't
> tell.
>
>
> TCB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>What?
>>
>> http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/apple_patent_i s_for_gui_synthesizer_computer_system/
>My best wishes for you and yours. As someone who lost a 43 year old brother
3 weeks ago I'm still reeling. I hope only the very best for your difficult
time.
JohnJoshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
we are extremely thankful.
Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
Jeff
> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
> behalf.
>
> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
> another battle to fight.
>
> THanks all,
>
> JeffJeff, sorry to hear the news, but glad to hear Joshua is doing better, we'll
continue to lift him, your wife and yourself up.
mb
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
>After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
>cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
>this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
>we are extremely thankful.
>
>Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
>Jeff
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>> behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
>> JeffHigh,
Tried to load an older project but when I try to search for files ,as I did
many many times in other projects I get this message everytime I define the
file in path !
Any cure ??
Paf files are there !
Regards,
DimitriosGives new meaning to the words "Good morning!"
Hoping for the best -- chas.
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:55:29 -0700, Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com>
wrote:
>Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
>After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
>cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
>this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
>we are extremely thankful.
>
>Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
>Jeff
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>> behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
>> JeffThanks for the update Jeff. Joshua sounds like a very brave boy!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Jeff Hoover wrote:
> Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
> After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
> cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
> this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
> we are extremely thankful.
>
> Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
> Jeff
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>> behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
>> JeffVERY happy to read the update right after reading your original post. Hope
Joshua continues to recover well.
Best,
Phil
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
>After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
>cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
>this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
>we are extremely thankful.
>
>Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
>Jeff
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>> behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
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Jamie K wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update Jeff. Joshua sounds like a very brave boy!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
He is and doesn't even know it. Attached is a pic with the his second
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Dimitrios,
I'd try renaming the project and save.
See if that still happens.
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
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High,
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I did
many many times in other projects I get this message everytime I =
define the
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Any cure ??
Paf files are there !
Regards,
Dimitrios
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C79D4B.177D3CA0--DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46532f2d@linux...
>> DJ wrote:
>>> Jaimie,
>>>
>>> I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing this
>>> by just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing before we
>>> fwent in to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
>
>> Are you saying Bush essentially stole from Churchill's speeches?
>
> I didn't hear Bush use these words or anything close really. I think he is
> confronted by a similar situation and tried to express the same things to a
> nation, half of whom, doesn't believe that we are at war.
We never declared war. Maybe that would be a start.
Churchill didn't really express the same overall message as Bush. His
was a country under direct attack by another country and he asked for
sacrifice and commitment from his countrymen. Bush is not fighting a
country but a tactic, and his preemptive actions so far have made that
tactic measurably more prevalent and our country measurably weaker.
Meanwhile he has asked for the opposite of sacrifice by cutting taxes
during time of war.
A friend of mine has this administration pegged as acting like an
addicted gambler on a losing streak, betting ever more heavily in a
desperate attempt to come out even in the end.
On the Churchill comparison, you could take any call to war and compare
it to any other and there will be similar elements. But Bush's different
context and course doesn't especially lend itself to being shined up by
juxtaposition to Churchill's oratory.
>> The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
>
> You noticed??? ;o)....well.....even Churchill had Gallipoli.
I thought the attempted comparison was to WWII.
>> Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone in and
>> racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix" Bush I's
>> unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid to agree with
>> Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
>>
> I think clinton was elected president at one of the most pvotal times in the
> history of the human race and utterly failed to realize what his
> responsibilities really were. Hell man, even I recognized this, and he's
> supposed to be the Rhodes scholar genius.
I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right (nor am I),
and your favorite whipping boy hasn't always been wrong. Sometimes you
are right, though, and sometimes Mr. Rhodes scholar is right. Heck,
sometimes Bush II is right. The trick is to discern which times those
are, and to not be taken in by the siren call of simplistic easy-answer
certainty in a complex world.
BTW, EVERY time period could be claimed to be one of the most pivotal
times in the history of the human race, as long as we're still around as
a species. :^)
>>> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
>>> blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
>>> misery".-Winston Churchill
>> Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
>
> I think each creates the need for the other, actually. They are
> yin/yang'esque
There does seem to be a relationship. Elements of each are worth
considering. Elements of each are worth discarding. There's no reason we
can't pick and choose from every option to create a system that works
optimally and adapts appropriately.
>> BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions? :^)
>
> I sorta' liked Sarah's sojurn into the mind of Samuel Clemens ;o)
>> "Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
>> -Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
>
> Crash truly rocks. You're gonna have to meet "th'basket" sometime.
I look forward to it!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> ;o)
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>DJ wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46532f2d@linux...
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> Jaimie,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing
this
>>>> by just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing before
we
>>>> fwent in to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
>>
>>> Are you saying Bush essentially stole from Churchill's speeches?
>>
>> I didn't hear Bush use these words or anything close really. I think he
is
>> confronted by a similar situation and tried to express the same things
to a
>> nation, half of whom, doesn't believe that we are at war.
>
>We never declared war. Maybe that would be a start.
While this is true, and a good point, it's the fault of Congress not the
executive. Despite their cost in blood and treasure our military hijinks
in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Kuwait etc. and so forth
were never declared wars. Were Congress to reclaim that power would be a
good part, but you can't blame the executives for not getting what the Constitution
demands if the people expressly charged to declare war won't defend that
right.
TCB
>Churchill didn't really express the same overall message as Bush. His
>was a country under direct attack by another country and he asked for
>sacrifice and commitment from his countrymen. Bush is not fighting a
>country but a tactic, and his preemptive actions so far have made that
>tactic measurably more prevalent and our country measurably weaker.
>Meanwhile he has asked for the opposite of sacrifice by cutting taxes
>during time of war.
>
>A friend of mine has this administration pegged as acting like an
>addicted gambler on a losing streak, betting ever more heavily in a
>desperate attempt to come out even in the end.
>
>On the Churchill comparison, you could take any call to war and compare
>it to any other and there will be similar elements. But Bush's different
>context and course doesn't especially lend itself to being shined up by
>juxtaposition to Churchill's oratory.
>
>
>>> The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
>>
>> You noticed??? ;o)....well.....even Churchill had Gallipoli.
>
>I thought the attempted comparison was to WWII.
>
>
>>> Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone in
and
>>> racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix" Bush
I's
>>> unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid to agree
with
>>> Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
>>>
>> I think clinton was elected president at one of the most pvotal times
in the
>> history of the human race and utterly failed to realize what his
>> responsibilities really were. Hell man, even I recognized this, and he's
>> supposed to be the Rhodes scholar genius.
>
>I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right (nor am I),
>and your favorite whipping boy hasn't always been wrong. Sometimes you
>are right, though, and sometimes Mr. Rhodes scholar is right. Heck,
>sometimes Bush II is right. The trick is to discern which times those
>are, and to not be taken in by the siren call of simplistic easy-answer
>certainty in a complex world.
>
>BTW, EVERY time period could be claimed to be one of the most pivotal
>times in the history of the human race, as long as we're still around as
>a species. :^)
>
>
>>>> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
>>>> blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
>>>> misery".-Winston Churchill
>>> Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
>>
>> I think each creates the need for the other, actually. They are
>> yin/yang'esque
>
>There does seem to be a relationship. Elements of each are worth
>considering. Elements of each are worth discarding. There's no reason we
>can't pick and choose from every option to create a system that works
>optimally and adapts appropriately.
>
>
>>> BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions? :^)
>>
>> I sorta' liked Sarah's sojurn into the mind of Samuel Clemens ;o)
>>> "Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
>>> -Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
>>
>> Crash truly rocks. You're gonna have to meet "th'basket" sometime.
>
>I look forward to it!
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> ;o)
>>
>>Hey Dimitrios -
If you're still looking, I have a P2B, a couple of slot 1 cpu's and maybe
even some RAM you can have for the cost of shipment.
Nothing's been used for about 5 years so I can't vouch for condition other
than the mobo was known good when I took out of commission. My zip is 95066.
Let me know if you want it.
Cheers,
Jon
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>If you can find one... I fire mine up every now and again to remember the
>'old days' with Pro Tools loaded up on it, LOL..
>I never actually use it, however I did put a 1300 Cele upgrade chip on it
>some time back.
>
>AA
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46488fca$1@linux...
>> Hehehe!...so you.liked the DSPFX card?
>>
>> That ASUS P2B LS mobo should be pretty cheap these days.
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr> wrote in message
>> news:464867a1$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I wanna build some small pc's with DSPFX isa audio cards as standalone
>>> processors.
>>> Can you suggest any motherboard PII or PIII that has ISA slots and also
>>> can
>>> you suggest a small pc case preferable horizontal that can go with it
?
>>> What I wanna do is save space and make this look nice.
>>> I wonder if there are any compact systems with monitor and case that
>>> looks
>>> as an enclosed intergrated system !
>>> Thanks
>>> Dimitrios
>>
>>
>
>That argument begs a lot of questions. In fact, many people (not just
the "far left") think this administration may be making the world more
dangerous, not less.
Yet some people see no need to question, and even rationalize that
questioning is somehow a bad thing.
Go figure.
I think it's entirely possible to criticize repression wherever it
exists, religious or secular. And as we look to respond to it, it's our
responsibility to hold our government to high standards, support
responsible action and question irresponsible action, as best we can.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Rich Lamanna wrote:
> Good point! As you say, go figure.
>
> Rich
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>>
> wrote in message news:464ddbf0@linux...
> The thing that has always intrigued me is how the folks on the far
> left in this country slag the only administration that is willing to
> fight for their right to slag the administration. The
> leftleaning/outspoken first amendment loving folks will be the first
> to be slaughtered by those that they are tacitly assisting in
> defeating the policies of this administration.
>
> go figure.
>
> ;o}
>
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net
> <mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net>> wrote in message
> news:464dc9f4@linux...
> Deej, Interesting article by Fred Halliday, well written. It
> astounds me at how the left continues to justify and make
> excuses for Islamic extremist violence and fascism while at the
> same time condemn those democratic and freedom loving people,
> who reserve the right to defend themselves against such attacks.
>
> Rich
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com
> <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>> wrote in message
> news:464dc442@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com
> <mailto:sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>> wrote in message
> news:464da14d@linux...
> > Surely this doesn't surprise you . . . ? Perhaps if we'd
> been treating
> > terrorism as the international criminal problem that it's
> always been
> > instead of as a pretense for war,
>
> .........now if they would just build an asprin factory
> there, we could attack it with a cruise missle. Looks like
> most of the people there are black so this would be PC.
>
> flourishing nests of fanatical morons like
> > this would be nipped in the bud. Hey, fight the fire,
> I'm with you, but I
> > hope you don't think what we've been doing in Iraq for
> the last four years
> > has done anything but fan the flames.
> >
> there are lots of flourishing nests of fanatical morons Sarah.
> http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/135069_comment.p hp
>
>
> > Some alternative quotations:
> >
> > "And now the whole nation--pulpit and all-- will take up
> the war-cry, and
> > shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures
> to open his mouth;
> > and presently such mouths will cease to open. Next the
> statesmen will invent
> > cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is
> attacked, and every
> > man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities,
> and will diligently
> > study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of
> them; and thus he will
> > by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will
> thank God for the
> > better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque
> self-deception." -
> > Mark Twain, from The Mysterious Stranger
>
> Mark Twain also said "Get your facts first, and then you can
> distort them as much as you please".
>
> >
> > "In the councils of government, we must guard against the
> acquisition of
> > unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
> > military-industrial complex. The potential for the
> disastrous rise of
> > misplaced power exists and will persist.
>
> Mark Twain also said "I have been throught some terrible
> things in my life, some of which actually happened"
>
> >
> > We must never let the weight of this combination endanger
> our liberties or
> > democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted.
> Only an alert and
> > knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of
> the huge industrial
> > and military machinery of defense with our peaceful
> methods and goals, so
> > that security and liberty may prosper together." - Dwight
> D. Eisenhower,
> > 1961
>
> Deej also said "An alert and knowledgable citizenry depends
> upon an alert and knowldegable CIA"
>
> > "...it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are
> great numbers of
> > our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien
> invasion or are those
> > illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't
> do? One thing is
> > certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should
> be allowed if it
> > results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of
> harvesters." - Ronald
> > Reagan
>
> I agree with this. I also think I should not have to produce
> any identification, pay taxes and the ER here should be my
> own personal health insurance, which I don't have to pay.
> Paying vehicle insurance is such a pain in the ass, I
> shouldn't have to do hqat either. I also liked living in
> Mexico quite a bit. Problem is, I can't got there and live.
> If I go down there without any papers, they will throw me in
> jail. If I have a wreck down there without insurance, they
> will throw me in jail. I know these things for a fact.
> Pisses me off.
>
> >
> > "You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a
> Frenchman; you can go
> > to live in Germany, you cannot become a German- or a
> Turk, or a Greek, or
> > whatever. But anyone, from any corner of the world, can
> come to live in
> > America and become an American." - more Ronald Reagan
>
> I think it's sooooo cool when people who are liberal quote
> Reagan. Are you a Reagan fan Sarah? Did you enjoy the Contra
> Show? How about the way we paid for it by selling cocaine in
> the inner cities? Ollie North one of your heroes?
>
> >
> > "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final
> right to the manger
> > even though he may have lain there for a very long time.
> I do not admit that
> > right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong
> has been done to the
> > Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia.
> I do not admit that
> > a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a
> stronger race, a
> > higher-grade race has come in and taken their place." -
> Winston Churchill
> > (who apparently never said that thing about
> liberal/conservative heart/brain
> >
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12 )
>
> I'll bet if we just got a few lawyers involved, they could
> find a way to challenge the title to this land, then we
> could pass a law that handed Islamberg over to the Senecas
> and they would kick their asses out of there in a heartbeat
> and set up a casino.
>
> > "Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
>
> "I read in the newspapers they are going to have 30 minutes
> of intellectual stuff on television every Monday from 7.30
> to 8.00 to educate America. They couldn't educate America if
> they started at 6:30".-Groucho Marx
> >>Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" - Samuel
> Johnson
>
> “When we have lost everything, including hope, life becomes
> a disgrace, and death a duty."-W.C. Fields
> >
> > "Oh, my God! Space aliens! Don't eat me! I have a wife
> and kids. Eat
> > them!" - Homer Simpson
>
>
> >
> > "Get Eurass Back to Eurasia" - anti-immigrant protest
> sign from Simpsons
> > episode
>
> "We don't have a permit. Run! "-Edward D. Wood, Jr.
>
> >
> > Courage,
> > Sarah ( . . . if I only had a brain . . . )
>
> "I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge
> me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and
> lead him to a quiet place and kill him"-Mark Twain.
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1 12
> > "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net
> <mailto:richard.lamanna@verizon.net>> wrote in message
> > news:464ce932@linux...
> >> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan
> the flames. Why
> >> the
> >> heck not welcome some more illegals.
> >>
> >> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
> >>
> >> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell
> Phillips
> >>
> >> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless
> he be vigilant in
> >> its
> >> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
> >>
> >> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an
> announcement outside a
> >> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
> >>
> >> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce
> man, and brave, and
> >> hated
> >> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join
> him, for then it
> >> costs
> >> nothing
> >> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
> >>
> >> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to
> the weak or the
> >> timid."
> >> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan.
> 20, 1953
> >>
> >> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It
> belongs to the
> >> brave."
> >> -- Ronald Reagan
> >>
> >> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to
> the vigilant, the
> >> active,
> >> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
> >>
> >> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no
> longer the home of
> >> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
> >>
> >> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> >> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't
> have a brain." --
> >> Winston Churchill
> >>
> >> Guidance,
> >> Rich
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
>After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
>cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
>this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
>we are extremely thankful.
>
>Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
>Jeff
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>> behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
>> Jeff
that's great to hear, Jeff. The prayers, however, will continue.
-steveTCB wrote:
> While this is true, and a good point, it's the fault of Congress not the
> executive. Despite their cost in blood and treasure our military hijinks
> in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Kuwait etc. and so forth
> were never declared wars. Were Congress to reclaim that power would be a
> good part, but you can't blame the executives for not getting what the Constitution
> demands if the people expressly charged to declare war won't defend that
> right.
Good points. Deej was looking for reasons that "half the people don't
believe we're at war." Part of it is the not declaring part. Go ahead
and blame that on Congress, but also on the executive for not asking for
a declaration for whatever reason when one party essentially controlled
both of these government branches at the time and exercised that control
from the whitehouse primarily. Another other element is the move by the
executive branch to sanitize the conflict here, by lowering taxes while
accelerating spending; trying to control reporting (show no caskets,
things are fine, mission accomplished); and generally painting a less
than accurate picture of the complete situation.
You're quite right that we've done a lot of fighting without declaring
war since WWII.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
>
>> Churchill didn't really express the same overall message as Bush. His
>> was a country under direct attack by another country and he asked for
>> sacrifice and commitment from his countrymen. Bush is not fighting a
>> country but a tactic, and his preemptive actions so far have made that
>> tactic measurably more prevalent and our country measurably weaker.
>> Meanwhile he has asked for the opposite of sacrifice by cutting taxes
>> during time of war.
>>
>> A friend of mine has this administration pegged as acting like an
>> addicted gambler on a losing streak, betting ever more heavily in a
>> desperate attempt to come out even in the end.
>>
>> On the Churchill comparison, you could take any call to war and compare
>
>> it to any other and there will be similar elements. But Bush's different
>
>> context and course doesn't especially lend itself to being shined up by
>
>> juxtaposition to Churchill's oratory.
>>
>>
>>>> The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
>>> You noticed??? ;o)....well.....even Churchill had Gallipoli.
>> I thought the attempted comparison was to WWII.
>>
>>
>>>> Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone in
> and
>>>> racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix" Bush
> I's
>>>> unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid to agree
> with
>>>> Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
>>>>
>>> I think clinton was elected president at one of the most pvotal times
> in the
>>> history of the human race and utterly failed to realize what his
>>> responsibilities really were. Hell man, even I recognized this, and he's
>
>>> supposed to be the Rhodes scholar genius.
>> I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right (nor am I),
>
>> and your favorite whipping boy hasn't always been wrong. Sometimes you
>> are right, though, and sometimes Mr. Rhodes scholar is right. Heck,
>> sometimes Bush II is right. The trick is to discern which times those
>> are, and to not be taken in by the siren call of simplistic easy-answer
>
>> certainty in a complex world.
>>
>> BTW, EVERY time period could be claimed to be one of the most pivotal
>> times in the history of the human race, as long as we're still around as
>
>> a species. :^)
>>
>>
>>>>> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
>>>>> blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
>
>>>>> misery".-Winston Churchill
>>>> Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
>>> I think each creates the need for the other, actually. They are
>>> yin/yang'esque
>> There does seem to be a relationship. Elements of each are worth
>> considering. Elements of each are worth discarding. There's no reason we
>
>> can't pick and choose from every option to create a system that works
>> optimally and adapts appropriately.
>>
>>
>>>> BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions? :^)
>>> I sorta' liked Sarah's sojurn into the mind of Samuel Clemens ;o)
>>>> "Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
>>>> -Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
>>> Crash truly rocks. You're gonna have to meet "th'basket" sometime.
>> I look forward to it!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>Great kids you have there, Jeff. I hope everything works out for the best!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Jeff Hoover wrote:
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the update Jeff. Joshua sounds like a very brave boy!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
> He is and doesn't even know it. Attached is a pic with the his second
> favorite thing in the world (second only to horses)
>
> Thanks again all
>
> Jeff
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------
>good news!!
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
news:46548197$1@linux...
> Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive. After
> getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT cancer, which
> was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours this morning.
> The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that we are extremely
> thankful.
>
> Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
> Jeff
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a brain
>> hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the prognosis, but
>> would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
>> Jeff>I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right
I just wish I was half the man my dogs think I am.
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46549242@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46532f2d@linux...
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> Jaimie,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing
>>>> this by just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing
>>>> before we fwent in to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
>>
>>> Are you saying Bush essentially stole from Churchill's speeches?
>>
>> I didn't hear Bush use these words or anything close really. I think he
>> is confronted by a similar situation and tried to express the same things
>> to a nation, half of whom, doesn't believe that we are at war.
>
> We never declared war. Maybe that would be a start.
>
> Churchill didn't really express the same overall message as Bush. His was
> a country under direct attack by another country and he asked for
> sacrifice and commitment from his countrymen. Bush is not fighting a
> country but a tactic, and his preemptive actions so far have made that
> tactic measurably more prevalent and our country measurably weaker.
> Meanwhile he has asked for the opposite of sacrifice by cutting taxes
> during time of war.
>
> A friend of mine has this administration pegged as acting like an addicted
> gambler on a losing streak, betting ever more heavily in a desperate
> attempt to come out even in the end.
>
> On the Churchill comparison, you could take any call to war and compare it
> to any other and there will be similar elements. But Bush's different
> context and course doesn't especially lend itself to being shined up by
> juxtaposition to Churchill's oratory.
>
>
>>> The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
>>
>> You noticed??? ;o)....well.....even Churchill had Gallipoli.
>
> I thought the attempted comparison was to WWII.
>
>
>>> Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone in
>>> and racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix"
>>> Bush I's unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid to
>>> agree with Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
>>>
>> I think clinton was elected president at one of the most pvotal times in
>> the history of the human race and utterly failed to realize what his
>> responsibilities really were. Hell man, even I recognized this, and he's
>> supposed to be the Rhodes scholar genius.
>
> I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right (nor am I),
> and your favorite whipping boy hasn't always been wrong. Sometimes you are
> right, though, and sometimes Mr. Rhodes scholar is right. Heck, sometimes
> Bush II is right. The trick is to discern which times those are, and to
> not be taken in by the siren call of simplistic easy-answer certainty in a
> complex world.
>
> BTW, EVERY time period could be claimed to be one of the most pivotal
> times in the history of the human race, as long as we're still around as a
> species. :^)
>
>
>>>> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
>>>> blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
>>>> misery".-Winston Churchill
>>> Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
>>
>> I think each creates the need for the other, actually. They are
>> yin/yang'esque
>
> There does seem to be a relationship. Elements of each are worth
> considering. Elements of each are worth discarding. There's no reason we
> can't pick and choose from every option to create a system that works
> optimally and adapts appropriately.
>
>
>>> BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions? :^)
>>
>> I sorta' liked Sarah's sojurn into the mind of Samuel Clemens ;o)
>>> "Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
>>> -Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
>>
>> Crash truly rocks. You're gonna have to meet "th'basket" sometime.
>
> I look forward to it!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> ;o)Well, Jamie, I'm a pragmatist, a capitalist, and half a libertarian. So I
don't expect people to act other than in what they perceive as their self
interest. So to me the people to blame for the press being lapdogs are the
lapdog press. It's their job to sell newspapers and television commercials,
but it's also their job to tell the truth to power. Every executive since
the time of Homer has tried to spin the reporting on their behalf, I bet
Achilles had his reputation buffed a bit as the story was fleshed out. Our
current executive thinks its in their self interest to do the things you
say (hide the costs, both human and financial, of the war), but what I can't
understand is why Congress and the press don't think of it as in their interest
to push back. I guess the representatives of We the People are too busy finding
new ways to get defense contracts and military bases back in their districts.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>TCB wrote:
>> While this is true, and a good point, it's the fault of Congress not the
>> executive. Despite their cost in blood and treasure our military hijinks
>> in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Kuwait etc. and so
forth
>> were never declared wars. Were Congress to reclaim that power would be
a
>> good part, but you can't blame the executives for not getting what the
Constitution
>> demands if the people expressly charged to declare war won't defend that
>> right.
>
>Good points. Deej was looking for reasons that "half the people don't
>believe we're at war." Part of it is the not declaring part. Go ahead
>and blame that on Congress, but also on the executive for not asking for
>a declaration for whatever reason when one party essentially controlled
>both of these government branches at the time and exercised that control
>from the whitehouse primarily. Another other element is the move by the
>executive branch to sanitize the conflict here, by lowering taxes while
>accelerating spending; trying to control reporting (show no caskets,
>things are fine, mission accomplished); and generally painting a less
>than accurate picture of the complete situation.
>
>You're quite right that we've done a lot of fighting without declaring
>war since WWII.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> TCB
>>
>>
>>> Churchill didn't really express the same overall message as Bush. His
>>> was a country under direct attack by another country and he asked for
>>> sacrifice and commitment from his countrymen. Bush is not fighting a
>>> country but a tactic, and his preemptive actions so far have made that
>>> tactic measurably more prevalent and our country measurably weaker.
>>> Meanwhile he has asked for the opposite of sacrifice by cutting taxes
>>> during time of war.
>>>
>>> A friend of mine has this administration pegged as acting like an
>>> addicted gambler on a losing streak, betting ever more heavily in a
>>> desperate attempt to come out even in the end.
>>>
>>> On the Churchill comparison, you could take any call to war and compare
>>
>>> it to any other and there will be similar elements. But Bush's different
>>
>>> context and course doesn't especially lend itself to being shined up
by
>>
>>> juxtaposition to Churchill's oratory.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
>>>> You noticed??? ;o)....well.....even Churchill had Gallipoli.
>>> I thought the attempted comparison was to WWII.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone
in
>> and
>>>>> racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix" Bush
>> I's
>>>>> unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid to agree
>> with
>>>>> Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
>>>>>
>>>> I think clinton was elected president at one of the most pvotal times
>> in the
>>>> history of the human race and utterly failed to realize what his
>>>> responsibilities really were. Hell man, even I recognized this, and
he's
>>
>>>> supposed to be the Rhodes scholar genius.
>>> I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right (nor am I),
>>
>>> and your favorite whipping boy hasn't always been wrong. Sometimes you
>>> are right, though, and sometimes Mr. Rhodes scholar is right. Heck,
>>> sometimes Bush II is right. The trick is to discern which times those
>>> are, and to not be taken in by the siren call of simplistic easy-answer
>>
>>> certainty in a complex world.
>>>
>>> BTW, EVERY time period could be claimed to be one of the most pivotal
>>> times in the history of the human race, as long as we're still around
as
>>
>>> a species. :^)
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
>>>>>> blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing
of
>>
>>>>>> misery".-Winston Churchill
>>>>> Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
>>>> I think each creates the need for the other, actually. They are
>>>> yin/yang'esque
>>> There does seem to be a relationship. Elements of each are worth
>>> considering. Elements of each are worth discarding. There's no reason
we
>>
>>> can't pick and choose from every option to create a system that works
>>> optimally and adapts appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions?
:^)
>>>> I sorta' liked Sarah's sojurn into the mind of Samuel Clemens ;o)
>>>>> "Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
>>>>> -Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
>>>> Crash truly rocks. You're gonna have to meet "th'basket" sometime.
>>> I look forward to it!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>Terrific news. Glad to hear it.
DC
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
>After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
>cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
>this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
>we are extremely thankful.
>
>Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
>Jeff
>> We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>> brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>> prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>> behalf.
>>
>> His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>> another battle to fight.
>>
>> THanks all,
>>
>> Jeff http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?newsid=181 04
YIPES!!!Fantastic. Let's hope he has a speedy recovery. Time for some sleep !News flash - he ain't always wrong either...and in this instance, he is correct
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right
>
>I just wish I was half the man my dogs think I am.
>
>;o)
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46549242@linux...
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46532f2d@linux...
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>> Jaimie,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Bush has ever compared himself to Churchill. I'm doing
>>>>> this by just pointing out that he said pretty much the same thing
>>>>> before we fwent in to finish the ongoing war Clinton neglected in Iraq.
>>>
>>>> Are you saying Bush essentially stole from Churchill's speeches?
>>>
>>> I didn't hear Bush use these words or anything close really. I think
he
>>> is confronted by a similar situation and tried to express the same things
>>> to a nation, half of whom, doesn't believe that we are at war.
>>
>> We never declared war. Maybe that would be a start.
>>
>> Churchill didn't really express the same overall message as Bush. His
was
>> a country under direct attack by another country and he asked for
>> sacrifice and commitment from his countrymen. Bush is not fighting a
>> country but a tactic, and his preemptive actions so far have made that
>> tactic measurably more prevalent and our country measurably weaker.
>> Meanwhile he has asked for the opposite of sacrifice by cutting taxes
>> during time of war.
>>
>> A friend of mine has this administration pegged as acting like an addicted
>> gambler on a losing streak, betting ever more heavily in a desperate
>> attempt to come out even in the end.
>>
>> On the Churchill comparison, you could take any call to war and compare
it
>> to any other and there will be similar elements. But Bush's different
>> context and course doesn't especially lend itself to being shined up by
>> juxtaposition to Churchill's oratory.
>>
>>
>>>> The style of leadership and the situations/context are very different.
>>>
>>> You noticed??? ;o)....well.....even Churchill had Gallipoli.
>>
>> I thought the attempted comparison was to WWII.
>>
>>
>>>> Extra points for Clinton bashing, though. If only Clinton had gone in
>>>> and racked up a 300 billion+ dollar war with no end, to try to "fix"
>>>> Bush I's unfinished business. Is it your theory that Bill was stupid
to
>>>> agree with Bush I that that was a dumb idea?
>>>>
>>> I think clinton was elected president at one of the most pvotal times
in
>>> the history of the human race and utterly failed to realize what his
>>> responsibilities really were. Hell man, even I recognized this, and he's
>>> supposed to be the Rhodes scholar genius.
>>
>> I hate to break it to you Deej, but you're not always right (nor am I),
>> and your favorite whipping boy hasn't always been wrong. Sometimes you
are
>> right, though, and sometimes Mr. Rhodes scholar is right. Heck, sometimes
>> Bush II is right. The trick is to discern which times those are, and to
>> not be taken in by the siren call of simplistic easy-answer certainty
in a
>> complex world.
>>
>> BTW, EVERY time period could be claimed to be one of the most pivotal
>> times in the history of the human race, as long as we're still around
as a
>> species. :^)
>>
>>
>>>>> :"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
>>>>> blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing
of
>>>>> misery".-Winston Churchill
>>>> Neither sounds ideal the way he puts it in that soundbite.
>>>
>>> I think each creates the need for the other, actually. They are
>>> yin/yang'esque
>>
>> There does seem to be a relationship. Elements of each are worth
>> considering. Elements of each are worth discarding. There's no reason
we
>> can't pick and choose from every option to create a system that works
>> optimally and adapts appropriately.
>>
>>
>>>> BTW, is this now the thread of random Churchill quote digressions? :^)
>>>
>>> I sorta' liked Sarah's sojurn into the mind of Samuel Clemens ;o)
>>>> "Crashbasket is the best damn dog name ever!"
>>>> -Winston Churchill, (interviewed from the grave)
>>>
>>> Crash truly rocks. You're gonna have to meet "th'basket" sometime.
>>
>> I look forward to it!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> ;o)
>
>Well whaddaya' expect. He invented the friggin internet fer'crissakes!!! I
especially like this tear jerker:
"But I think there's a question in his mind, perhaps because the pain of the
last election runs a lot deeper than he lets most of us see."
It would sure be funny if he ran again and got his arse kicked.
;o(
'
'
'
"DC" <dc@spammersincupertino.com> wrote in message news:4654afff@linux...
>
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?newsid=181 04
>
>
> YIPES!!!
>
>
>If you send me a lot of money I'll put on a dress and take a picture.
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote in message
news:iifn43pu9euri1f2q06dvqpisc8jpbe3bj@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:47:46 -0400, Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the nurse picture, Sarah. Only thing is I can't really make
>>out your uniform.
>>
>>We are so lucky to have you around. I think this is the only audio forum
>>that can boast a beautiful (and talented) woman actually hangs out
>>there. Sure the other sites get the occasional question from some chick,
>>but then she's gone as soon as she finds out the cute little heart shape
>>on the microphone is not the "love song" setting.
>>
>>Bill
>
> And don't forget Edna is here as well....
>
> And then there's Neil, who I'm convinced is actually a woman until he
> sends me a photo.
>
> pab"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Well whaddaya' expect. He invented the friggin internet fer'crissakes!!!
I
>especially like this tear jerker:
>
>"But I think there's a question in his mind, perhaps because the pain of
the
>last election runs a lot deeper than he lets most of us see."
>
>It would sure be funny if he ran again and got his arse kicked.
Yeah, we could all get bumper stickers saying:
RE-DEFEAT GORE!!
Or mebbe he could get on the ticket with Hill...
D'ya think?
DCI'm sending positive thoughts and prayers to Joshua, you and your family Jeff.
Best wishes,
Jon
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>We've been all night in the ICU with my son who has evidently had a
>brain hemorage. We're still awaiting clear understanding of the
>prognosis, but would appreciate any prayers that can be offered on his
>behalf.
>
>His name is JOshua, already a cancer surviving 11 year old now with
>another battle to fight.
>
>THanks all,
>
>JeffOn Wed, 23 May 2007 10:55:29 -0700, Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com>
wrote:
>Joshua is doing well and the news from the neurosurgeon is positive.
>After getting an MRI they are convinced the area of concern is NOT
>cancer, which was a complete flip from their position in the wee hours
>this morning. The immediate danger seems to have subsided and for that
>we are extremely thankful.
>
>Thanks so much for your prayers and support.
>
>
I'm late to this - you have our thoughts and prayers as well. Good
news is always good news.
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Jamie, picky, picky, picky :-) Well, all it says on that site is, "there =
is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this", possibly he didn't =
say it, possibly he did. Somebody obviously attributed it to him. Wonder =
who that was? The liberals of yesteryear are today's conservatives =
anyway.
Thanks for the edification,
Rich
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4652677b@linux...
>=20
> > 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> > and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a brain.' =
-
> > Winston Churchill
>=20
> Fact check:
>=20
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112
>=20
> Quotes Falsely Attributed:
> These quotes make for good story-telling but popular myth has falsely=20
> attributed them to Churchill.
>=20
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Rich Lamanna wrote:
> >> To react to that, to conduct a "War Against Terrorism" is
> >> about as desperate and pathetic IMHO.
> >=20
> > Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, this is a misnomer. It is a =
war
> > against "Radical Islamic Extremism" and their desire to impose an =
Islamic
> > theocratic caliphate on the free world.
> >=20
> >> And it's so uncreative and historically repetitive as to be a big =
dumb
> >> bore.
> >=20
> > We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come =
to
> > think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did =
we get in
> > return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy we'll be =
better
> > thought of.
> >=20
> > Rich
> >=20
>=20
> >=20
> > "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message =
news:464e6433@linux...
> >> It was too early when I wrote that.
> >>
> >> Look, it's a thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I =
support
> >> the freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. =
I
> >> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail =
freedom,
> >> you dig?
> >>
> >> We have to take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way =
one
> >> does for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and =
punish him
> >> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident control =
and
> >> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be bigger than them, =
and
> >> not react angrily to their desperate attempts to cause an effect on =
us.
> >> Think how pathetically desperate a group must be if the only way =
they
> >> can dream up to communicate is through terrorism. That is quite
> >> pathetic.>
> > Just think how much more effective and creative it would have been
> >> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the =
terrorists
> >> and then put them away. Very little collateral damage. The people =
who
> >> stand up for freedom by denouncing the terrorists get rich as they
> >> deserve for their bravery and everybody else lives happier, free-er =
lives.
> >>
> >> I know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone =
ever
> > try?
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> Rich Lamanna wrote:
> >>> Bill, I have no problem with freedom, you infidel :-) I am a
> >>> constitutionalist and believe strongly in the 1st amendment.
> > Unfortunately
> >>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you and I =
hold
> >>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose their fascism and =
intolerant
> >>> theocratic rubbish upon us.
> >>>
> >>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the administration of Clinton and =
Janet
> >>> Sterno, stormed the Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to =
serve a
> >>> search warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was =
stockpiling
> >>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, women, and
> > children.
> >>> But I doubt that the FBI or ATF would ever raid these holy men, oh =
God
> > no,
> >>> despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth and
> > practicing
> >>> for violent Jihad.
> >>>
> >>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about the =
violent
> >>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the US?
> >>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both =
the
> > DC
> >>> "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid =
to
> > the
> >>> group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter =
Daniel
> > Pearl
> >>> was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain =
an
> >>> interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan."
> >>>
> >>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg
> >>>
> >>> What were Koresh and the Davidians guilty of? Maybe of being =
Christians.
> >>> Nothing compared to this group. Wake up man, this is not about =
freedom
> > of
> >>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence and the =
choice
> > to
> >>> exercise any freedoms let alone freedom of religion. We had better =
keep
> > an
> >>> eye on these guys.
> >>>
> >>> Rich
> >>>
> >>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton Heston
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
> > news:464d8d4f@linux...
> >>>> I strongly support freedom, especially freedom of religion. Part =
of
> >>>> religious freedom is the freedom of religious choice.
> >>>>
> >>>> A religion worthy of freedom would increase individual freedom.
> >>>>
> >>>> With freedom comes increased responsibility; with increased
> >>>> responsibility comes increased freedom. By increasing freedoms =
for all
> >>>> one's own freedoms are increased.
> >>>>
> >>>> =93Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom.
> >>>> Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom.
> >>>> There is no other price actually.=94
> >>>> =97 L. RON HUBBARD
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rich Lamanna wrote:
> >>>>> You can thank me for lighting the fire, you can all fan the =
flames.
> > Why
> >>> the
> >>>>> heck not welcome some more illegals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be =
vigilant
> > in
> >>> its
> >>>>> preservation." -- General Douglas MacArthur
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "FREEDOM IS NOT FOR THE TIMID." -- posted as an announcement =
outside a
> >>>>> Unitarian Church in Texas on Sept. 17, 2001
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and =
brave,
> >>> and
> >>>>> hated
> >>>>> and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for =
then it
> >>> costs
> >>>>> nothing
> >>>>> to be a patriot." -- Mark Twain
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak =
or the
> >>>>> timid."
> >>>>> -- Dwight D. Eisenhower, First Inaugural Address, Jan. 20, 1953
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The future doesn't belong to the faint-hearted. It belongs to =
the
> >>> brave."
> >>>>> -- Ronald Reagan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the =
vigilant,
> > the
> >>>>> active,
> >>>>> the brave." -- Patrick Henry
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The land of the free will cease to be when it's no longer the =
home of
> >>>>> the brave."-- Rick Gaber
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal doesn't have a heart,
> >>>>> and any 40 year-old who isn't a conservative doesn't have a =
brain." --=20
> >>>>> Winston Churchill
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Guidance,
> >>>>> Rich
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >=20
> >
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jamie, picky, picky, picky :-) Well, all it says on =
that site=20
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Churchill=20
say this", possibly he didn't say it, possibly he did. Somebody =
obviously=20
attributed it to him. Wonder who that was? The liberals of =
yesteryear=20
are today's conservatives anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for the edification,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Jamie K" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com"><FONT=20
size=3D2>Meta@Dimensional.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>> wrote in =
message=20
</FONT><A href=3D"news:4652677b@linux"><FONT=20
size=3D2>news:4652677b@linux</FONT></A><FONT =
size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT=20
size=3D2>> <BR>> > 'Any 20 year-old who isn't a liberal =
doesn't=20
have a heart,<BR>> > and any 40 year-old who isn't a =
conservative=20
doesn't have a brain.' -<BR>> > Winston Churchill<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
Fact check:<BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D" http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112"=
><FONT=20
size=3D2> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3 D112=
</FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> <BR>> Quotes Falsely Attributed:<BR>> These quotes =
make for=20
good story-telling but popular myth has falsely <BR>> attributed them =
to=20
Churchill.<BR>> <BR>> Cheers,<BR>> -Jamie<BR>> =
</FONT><A href=3D"http://www.JamieKrutz.com"><FONT=20
size=3D2>www.JamieKrutz.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=3D2>> <BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> Rich Lamanna wrote:<BR>> >> To react to that, to =
conduct a=20
"War Against Terrorism" is<BR>> >> about as desperate and =
pathetic=20
IMHO.<BR>> > <BR>> > Bill, it's not a war against terrorism, =
this is=20
a misnomer. It is a war<BR>> > against "Radical Islamic Extremism" =
and=20
their desire to impose an Islamic<BR>> > theocratic caliphate on =
the free=20
world.<BR>> > <BR>> >> And it's so uncreative and =
historically=20
repetitive as to be a big dumb<BR>> >> bore.<BR>> > =
<BR>> >=20
We defeated Japan and Germany and they're not the worst allies. Come =
to<BR>>=20
> think of it, we bailed out the French in WW2 and what the hell did =
we get=20
in<BR>> > return, Chirac? Maybe now, however, with Nicolas Sarkozy =
we'll=20
be better<BR>> > thought of.<BR>> > <BR>> > =
Rich<BR>> >=20
<BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > "Bill L" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com"><FONT=20
size=3D2>bill@billlorentzen.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>> wrote in =
message=20
</FONT><A href=3D"news:464e6433@linux"><FONT=20
size=3D2>news:464e6433@linux</FONT></A><FONT size=3D2>...<BR>> =
>> It was=20
too early when I wrote that.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Look, =
it's a=20
thorny issue. The point I was trying to make is I support<BR>> =
>> the=20
freedom of those religions that grant others the same freedom. I<BR>> =
>> don't support freedom of a religion that is trying to curtail=20
freedom,<BR>> >> you dig?<BR>> >><BR>> >> We =
have to=20
take responsibility for mis-guided people just the way one<BR>> =
>> does=20
for a child. With a small child, you don't get angry and punish =
him<BR>>=20
>> or her for making a bad choice. You exert calm, confident =
control=20
and<BR>> >> direct it towards the right choice. We have to be =
bigger=20
than them, and<BR>> >> not react angrily to their desperate =
attempts to=20
cause an effect on us.<BR>> >> Think how pathetically desperate =
a group=20
must be if the only way they<BR>> >> can dream up to =
communicate is=20
through terrorism. That is quite<BR>> >> pathetic.><BR>> =
>=20
Just think how much more effective and creative it would have =
been<BR>>=20
>> to spend a few billion dollars to simply buy access to the=20
terrorists<BR>> >> and then put them away. Very little =
collateral=20
damage. The people who<BR>> >> stand up for freedom by =
denouncing the=20
terrorists get rich as they<BR>> >> deserve for their bravery =
and=20
everybody else lives happier, free-er lives.<BR>> >><BR>> =
>> I=20
know some will say it would never work like that, but did anyone =
ever<BR>>=20
> try?<BR>> >> Bill<BR>> >><BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
>> Rich Lamanna wrote:<BR>> >>> Bill, I have no =
problem with=20
freedom, you infidel :-) I am a<BR>> >>> constitutionalist =
and=20
believe strongly in the 1st amendment.<BR>> > =
Unfortunately<BR>>=20
>>> the radical Islamic doesn't cherish those same freedoms you =
and I=20
hold<BR>> >>> dearly. They are willing to die to impose =
their=20
fascism and intolerant<BR>> >>> theocratic rubbish upon =
us.<BR>>=20
>>><BR>> >>> Remember Waco. The ATF, under the=20
administration of Clinton and Janet<BR>> >>> Sterno, stormed =
the=20
Branch Davidian home, in Rambo fashion, to serve a<BR>> >>> =
search=20
warrant issued on the suspicion that the group was stockpiling<BR>>=20
>>> automatic weapons, massacring almost 100 hundred men, =
women,=20
and<BR>> > children.<BR>> >>> But I doubt that the FBI =
or ATF=20
would ever raid these holy men, oh God<BR>> > no,<BR>> =
>>>=20
despite the fact that they are irrefutably armed to the teeth =
and<BR>> >=20
practicing<BR>> >>> for violent Jihad.<BR>> =
>>><BR>>=20
>>> Did you read the article dude? Did you read the part about =
the=20
violent<BR>> >>> incidents involving Jamaat Ul Fuora in the=20
US?<BR>> >>> "By 2004 federal investigators uncovered =
evidence that=20
linked both the<BR>> > DC<BR>> >>> "sniper killer" =
John Allen=20
Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to<BR>> > the<BR>> =
>>>=20
group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter =
Daniel<BR>> >=20
Pearl<BR>> >>> was captured and beheaded in the process of=20
attempting to obtain an<BR>> >>> interview with Sheikh =
Gilani in=20
Pakistan."<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D" http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jpg=
"><FONT=20
size=3D2> http://www.canadafreepress.com/images/paul-williams-map-larg e.jp=
g</FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> >>><BR>> >>> What were Koresh and the =
Davidians=20
guilty of? Maybe of being Christians.<BR>> >>> Nothing =
compared to=20
this group. Wake up man, this is not about freedom<BR>> > =
of<BR>>=20
>>> religion this is about a Jihad threatening our existence =
and the=20
choice<BR>> > to<BR>> >>> exercise any freedoms let =
alone=20
freedom of religion. We had better keep<BR>> > an<BR>> =
>>> eye=20
on these guys.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Rich<BR>>=20
>>><BR>> >>> From my cold dead hands - Charlton=20
Heston<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> =
"Bill L"=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com"><FONT=20
size=3D2>bill@billlorentzen.com
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t;>> >> Mediterranean (except for Israel, of course)? It's the only way to
be
>>> >> sure. We must have the technology. After that we should probably
just
>>> >> eliminate all Muslims around the world, since apparently the Quran
>>> >> compels true believers to kill non-Muslims. Islamic extremists are
a
>>> >> cancer on civilisation, and you have to get the surrounding tissue
>>> >> when
>>> >> you remove a cancer.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's only logical.
>>> >
>>> > Because if you listen to the majority of the international press, they
>>> > would have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this
>>> > world like the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who
>>> > would
>>> > like to be rid of them.
>>> >
>>> > In spite of the apparent lunacy that I see on the left side of the
>> aisle,
>>> > I think that they have a huge part to play in the downfall of these
>>> > cretins.
>>> >
>>> >
>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/hekmat-mansoor/2001/misc/ris e-fall-islam.htm
>>> >
>>> > ...if the left doesn't screw the pooch beforehand and in so doing,
take
>>> > those in this country that are still willing to fight for it with them.
>>> >
>>> > ;o)
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Anybody else like Chris Whitley as much as I do?
Holy cow! What a talent he was..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O-SDmIAJVYo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_HdzJ03tsmM
DCAgreed. I have recorded a bit of classical guitar in my time and compressing
it does change it for the worse, IMO. The attack is what it is all about
with classical/flamenco guitars. String noise is another natural artifact of
classical guitar (assuming that the Low E, A and D are round wound). Most
classical guitarists I've worked with were total reverb freaks, wanting to
wash the the guitar until it sounded like it was recorded in some cathedral.
If you've got a vocalist involved, beware of this or you'll get a very
unnatural soundstage unless you want the vocalist to sound like she's in a
cathedral too.
"wireline" <brainless@nospam.org> wrote in message news:4655e8a3$1@linux...
>
> Most classical things I've recorded were left alone, or at the most had a
> touch of limiting if mixed hit...nylong string guitars are not known for
> their sustain, so artificially adding it with compression will likely make
> for an artificial sound...
>
> Flying by the seat of your pants is a good thing with most guitars, anyway
> - there are no rules, and nothing is really right or wrong.
>
> Just an opinion.
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>I am recording some nylon guitars.
>>Music is simple..just nylon guitars and female vox.
>>Anyone have any links to articles on mixing such a project or nylon =
>>guitars at the very least.
>>Compression, limiting, ideas?
>>I got various soft comps.
>>I tracked with minimal compression using a RNC...2db of comp at the =
>>most.
>>I still think it could benefit from more.
>>Or maybe multiband compression.
>>I havent ever seen any learning materials on this subject so I am kinda
>>flyin by the seat of my pants.
>>I want to make the guitars as smooth and classical sounding as =
>>possible.
>>I guess I mean commercial. But Classical Commercial not pop commercial.
>>Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>>
>>--=20
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Brandon
>>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am recording some nylon guitars.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Music is simple..just nylon guitars and female=20
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyone have any links to articles on mixing such
> =
>>a project=20
>>or nylon guitars at the very least.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Compression, limiting, ideas?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I got various soft comps.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I tracked with minimal compression using a =
>>RNC...2db of=20
>>comp at the most.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I still think it could benefit from =
>>more.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Or maybe multiband compression.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I havent ever seen any learning materials on =
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>flyin by the seat of my pants.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I want to make the guitars as smooth and =
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>>sounding as possible.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I mean commercial. But Classical =
>>Commercial not=20
>>pop commercial.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Any help would be much appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
>><DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV>Brandon </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>
>>
>You certainly blow to bits that stereotype of Apple users as Birkenstock wearing,
muesli chewing, wheatgrass swilling hippies.
TCB
P.S. Al-Queda is in Iraq NOW, but wasn't before the US invaded and destroyed
the state of Iraq. An admittedly brutal dictatorship of a state, but a state
nonetheless. The final 'break' bin Laden had with the moneyed Gulf potentates
(esp. the Saudi royal family) was when Saddam invaded Kuwait. Bin Laden wanted
to take his jihadis and roll Saddam back, while the Saudis wanted to invite
in the Americans. In other words, Saddam and bin Laden were sworn enemies,
and I doubt Saddam tolerated a lot of his sworn enemies lolling about in
Baghdad.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Sorry, guys . . . of course I didn't seriously think Deej or any other
sane
>
>person would advocate killing all Muslims. I was just trying in my typical
>
>clumsy sarcastic way to make a point, that point being that I find it
>incomprehensible that people who support this invasion and occupation seem
>
>to believe that the stunning "collateral damage" is a fair price for what
>
>little we've gained in return. Saddam is gone. Great. He could've been
>
>gone without declaring war on Iraq . . . without the collateral damage.<<
>
>There is always collateral damage in war. You can't put a price on collateral
>damage when it comes to war. This isn't patty cakes, it's war. There is
>no way to make it clean, convenient, or palatable! So how could we have
>removed Sadam, his sons and the whole Baath party from power with out invading?
> We couldn't have. Your thinking is hindsight and vary convenient.
>
>>>And when I use the euphemism "collateral damage," I'm not just talking
>about
>the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. I'm talking about
>
>the survivors, too, who we've given reason to hate us where perhaps there
>
>wasn't reason before. And that includes innocent people rotting in places
>
>like Guantanamo. And it includes the freedom-loving dissenters in Iran
you
>
>refer to who now fear George Bush more than their own insane leaders. "Bomb
>
>bomb bomb . . . bomb bomb Iran" - John McCain doing Beach Boys, to rounds
>of
>laughter and applause. Yeah, that's funny.<<
>
>It was Muslims that declared war on the US in 1996! It was Muslims that
>attacked us first. It's muslims that want a holy war. What about the
people
> Sadam killed, possibly millions? Oh yeah, all those poor innocent people
>in Guantanamo. I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
> They're damned lucky I'm not in charge. As far as McCain goes he is a
>weasel.
>
>>>Of course the decent, sane Muslims in the middle East are in the majority,
>
>which is exactly why we shouldn't be in their countries making war! We're
>
>killing a lot more of them than we are Al Caeda, and that's not acceptable.
>
>What percentage of the people we've killed in Iraq were actually Al Qaeda?
>
>I bet you anything it's a single digit, maybe even a couple digits after
>a
>decimal point. (Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents don't count).<<
>
>Of course they are decent people, and I guess we are not, right? We are
>not making war. They started war in our country! They had no business
being
>in our country. As far as their countries, we say that if they stop fighting
>and get along, we'll pull out and get the hell out of their countries.
What
>do they do? They keep fighting to keep us there. They want us there.
They
>keep us there. How can you be so sure that the people killed around Al
Qaeda
>aren't giving aid and support to them. Yes our intelligence is always wrong.
> If we bomb a target of insurgents, it's going to turn out to be a wedding
>party full of kids. That is so convenient for the left wing liberal media!
>
>
>>>Overall, we are NOT killing the right people. We're like an exterminator
>
>who shows up at your house to get cockroaches with a shotgun. We're trying
>
>to eliminate head lice with a hammer. Ow.<<
>
>
>Who is killing the innocent in Iraq? You'd like to blame the US. That
is
>so convenient for you. Why don't Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents
>count? What, is it inconvenient? Is it because it doesn't fit in to you
>stupid liberal thinking? What about Al Qaeda? They kill their own at will
>and it's Ok. And it's the US that is wrong. It's the US thinking that
is
>wrong. It the US that asked for this by our policies. What a pile of rotten,
>stinking, bullshit!!!!!
>
>Since we are doing it all wrong, why don't you go over there and make sure
>the right people get killed? They would catch you, rape you, beat you with
>an inch of your life, then they'd cut your silly head off on video tape,
>and send your headless rotting corpse floating down the Tigress river, that's
>why not!
>
>It's you that doesn't get it!
>
>>>Al Qaeda is an international network of criminals, not a country, and
should
>
>be dealt with as such.
>
>Sarah<<
>
>Al Qaeda is in Iraq!!! Where should it be dealt with?
>
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>Sorry, guys . . . of course I didn't seriously think Deej or any other
sane
>
>>person would advocate killing all Muslims. I was just trying in my typical
>
>>clumsy sarcastic way to make a point, that point being that I find it
>>incomprehensible that people who support this invasion and occupation seem
>
>>to believe that the stunning "collateral damage" is a fair price for what
>
>>little we've gained in return. Saddam is gone. Great. He could've been
>
>>gone without declaring war on Iraq . . . without the collateral damage.
>>
>>And when I use the euphemism "collateral damage," I'm not just talking
about
>
>>the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. I'm talking about
>
>>the survivors, too, who we've given reason to hate us where perhaps there
>
>>wasn't reason before. And that includes innocent people rotting in places
>
>>like Guantanamo. And it includes the freedom-loving dissenters in Iran
>you
>>refer to who now fear George Bush more than their own insane leaders.
"Bomb
>
>>bomb bomb . . . bomb bomb Iran" - John McCain doing Beach Boys, to rounds
>of
>>laughter and applause. Yeah, that's funny.
>>
>>Of course the decent, sane Muslims in the middle East are in the majority,
>
>>which is exactly why we shouldn't be in their countries making war! We're
>
>>killing a lot more of them than we are Al Caeda, and that's not acceptable.
>
>>What percentage of the people we've killed in Iraq were actually Al Qaeda?
>
>>I bet you anything it's a single digit, maybe even a couple digits after
>a
>>decimal point. (Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents don't count).
>>
>>Overall, we are NOT killing the right people. We're like an exterminator
>
>>who shows up at your house to get cockroaches with a shotgun. We're trying
>
>>to eliminate head lice with a hammer. Ow.
>>
>>Al Qaeda is an international network of criminals, not a country, and should
>
>>be dealt with as such.
>>
>>Sarah
>>
>>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:4654d702$1@linux...
>>>> > Because if you listen to the majority of the international press,
they
>>>> > would have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this
>>>> > world like the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who
>
>>>> > would
>>>> > like to be rid of them.
>>>
>>> Sarah, I think what Deej is saying here is that there are many, many
more,
>>> non fundamentalist Muslims around the world who are reasonable, not
>>> radicalized and want to live under democracy rather than theocracy. What
>
>>> the
>>> press would have you believe is just the opposite, that the crazy ones
>are
>>> the majority. You don't see the press covering dissenting views by more
>>> moderate Islamics. I agree with Deej. This can be supported if you look
>at
>>> the contemptuous reaction by the younger and educated in Iran against
>the
>>> mullahs and Amadinejad. There is much dissent in Iran, which you only
>read
>>> about in rare publications. There is also much repression in Iran against
>>> the voice of democracy. We need to be the light and hope for the world
>and
>>> for democratic freedoms. The alternative is frightening, isn't it!
>>>
>>> http://www.nowpublic.com/silencing_dissent_in_iran_four_hang ed_0
>>>
>>> http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06/07/iran8774.htm
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4653b5af@linux...
>>>> So . . . hang on a minute here . . . you're saying you think we SHOULD
>>> kill
>>>> all Muslims, starting with the entire Middle East?
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4653a4f0@linux...
>>>> >
>>>> > "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46537917@linux...
>>>> >> "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the
>>> whole
>>>> >> Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day
hero
>>> ...
>>>> >> assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched
>>>> >> dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an un-winnable
>>>> >> urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into
>>> even
>>>> >> greater instability."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - George H.W. Bush
>>>> >
>>>> > And you are referring to what coalition????...................the
one
>>> that
>>>> > Clinton failed to hold together the minute he was elected???
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Baby Bush shoulda listened to Big Bush instead of to "the crazies"
>
>>>> >> (how
>>>> >> Bush I's administration referred to the "neocons").
>>>> >
>>>> > Bush I had achieved a scenario wherein if Sadaam violated sanctions,
>>> there
>>>> > were remedies. No one was willing to explore those remedies in any
>kind
>>> of
>>>> > serious way. this is Clintons major crime, IMO. He had a duty to do
>
>>>> > this
>>>> > and he didn't. As the 90's wore on, a billionaire maniac who paid
blood
>>>> > money to the familes of terrorists to ensure that the could more
>>>> > easlily
>>>> > walk into Israeli shipping malls and restaurants and murder people
>
>>>> > while
>>>> > he flaunted UN authority was buiding his time until sham sanctions
>were
>>>> > officially lifted while in Afghanistan, the weaselly rich wannabee
>who
>>>> > felt dissed because the Saudi's didn't want him to defend them from
>>> Sadaam
>>>> > and decided it should be us, collects the scum of the earth and every
>>>> > other variety of homicidal miscreant, gets some lunatic mullas to
deify
>>>> > them in their own minds and sends these Aassholes around the world
>to
>>> kill
>>>> > people.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sorry Sarah....some things are not complicated at all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If this crusade is truly a righteous one, and if six figure
>>>> >> "collateral
>>>> >> damage" is an acceptable loss for what we've gained (?) so far, then
>>> why
>>>> >> screw around? Why not just kill everyone between India and the
>>>> >> Mediterranean (except for Israel, of course)? It's the only way to
>be
>>>> >> sure. We must have the technology. After that we should probably
>just
>>>> >> eliminate all Muslims around the world, since apparently the Quran
>>>> >> compels true believers to kill non-Muslims. Islamic extremists are
>a
>>>> >> cancer on civilisation, and you have to get the surrounding tissue
>
>>>> >> when
>>>> >> you remove a cancer.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's only logical.
>>>> >
>>>> > Because if you listen to the majority of the international press,
they
>>>> > would have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this
>>>> > world like the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who
>
>>>> > would
>>>> > like to be rid of them.
>>>> >
>>>> > In spite of the apparent lunacy that I see on the left side of the
>>> aisle,
>>>> > I think that they have a huge part to play in the downfall of these
>>>> > cretins.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/hekmat-mansoor/2001/misc/ris e-fall-islam.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > ...if the left doesn't screw the pooch beforehand and in so doing,
>take
>>>> > those in this country that are still willing to fight for it with
them.
>>>> >
>>>> > ;o)
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Doing surround in Digital??? ;-)
David.
10M is pushing it REALLY far for coax, on the edge for optical.
Kim wrote:
> I need to run it right around the room.
>
> Can it go 10m?
>
> It's a small room, what can I say? ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.The US submarine contingent may not be 90% of the world, but it's still
well over 50% of the world's total combat capability. Chinese subs are
largely ineffective, at least currently, by comparison. And the Russian
submarine force is now a far cry from it's former USSR glory. Look here
for comparisons, and there are other sites as well:
http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/
I'd say our submarine dominance is undisputed.
Subs are most useful in a full-on "official" war between belligerent
nations. OTOH, carriers project power that can be employed in many
different ways and scenarios, in peacetime/almost-wartime/wartime....
that transient state the world exists in now.
Carriers also pack far more psychological impact. A show of force rarely
involves submarines....not much to see. It usually involves parading a
couple of carriers back and forth with dozens and dozens of high
performance attack planes flying about as they please. Carriers make for
far more impressive dog 'n pony shows and can sometimes forestall the
need to actually use force.
Also keep in mind, the subs that sink the carriers in the war games are
*our* subs. I don't think their subs are going to fare as well, overall.
Back to the main point. America's mistakes, and their are plenty of
them, are highly amplified in both their impact and their scrutinization
by the inordinately broad influence our country wields. I wish we
made better and more benevolent use of that power.
We should blow up less and build more.
Regards,
Brian T
TCB wrote:
> This stat distorts things a bit, because after WW II the US Navy decided that
> the aircraft carrier was the primary weapon to have in the closet. The Russians
> then, and the Chinese now, have decided that the submarine is the crucial
> link, and the US has nowhere near 90% of the subs in the world. This makes
> sense because the sub navies meet a largely defensive/deterrent goal while
> carrier navies are about projecting power overseas. Since the US has zero
> fear of anyone sailing over here and invading the continental US, we built
> a navy that can be used to attack, or at least threaten, other countries.
> All of which is to say that 80/90/100 percent of carriers does not equal
> a similar percentage of naval power. Oh, one more thing. In war games the
> subs almost always sink the carriers, so the carrier navy is really only
> useful against countries without powerful sub navies. So if Iran were smart
> they'd be buying subs instead of trying to acquire a nuke.
>
> Second, your argument is correct, to an extent. However, if the War Minister
> of Lichtenstein does something stupid, say, manipulates his country into
> war with known faulty intelligence, it doesn't matter. When the US does that
> a few hundred thousand people, almost all of them civilians, wind up dead.
> The dead people are no less dead because we possess roughly average wisdom.
> Which means we need to wise up.
>
> TCB
>
> BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>> We're not much wiser or more foolish than most other countries, on a
>> given day.
>>
>> It's just that the USA leaves so much larger a footprint than anybody
>> else, our mistakes are greatly amplified when compared to, for instance,
>
>> Guatemala or New Zealand.
>>
>> Has anybody noticed that the US possesses over 80% of the world's
>> aircraft carrier deck space, and more like 90% of the world's carrier
>> based warplanes? So that's 5% of the world's populace with 90% or so of
>
>> the world's naval power. Kind of disproportionate.
>>
>> When we screw up, it's a big deal, usually has sizable implications for
>
>> others, and everybody notices. That really is a big part of this issue.
>
>> I mean, when is the last time the whole world was bummed out over some
>> boneheaded move by Lichtenstein's Secretary of War?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian T
>Doing well, thanks. And you?
BT
DC wrote:
> Hi BT!
>
> Nice to hear from you. How have you been?
>
> DC
>
>
> BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>> We're not much wiser or more foolish than most other countries, on a
>> given day.
>>
>> It's just that the USA leaves so much larger a footprint than anybody
>> else, our mistakes are greatly amplified when compared to, for instance,
>
>> Guatemala or New Zealand.
>>
>> Has anybody noticed that the US possesses over 80% of the world's
>> aircraft carrier deck space, and more like 90% of the world's carrier
>> based warplanes? So that's 5% of the world's populace with 90% or so of
>
>> the world's naval power. Kind of disproportionate.
>>
>> When we screw up, it's a big deal, usually has sizable implications for
>
>> others, and everybody notices. That really is a big part of this issue.
>
>> I mean, when is the last time the whole world was bummed out over some
>> boneheaded move by Lichtenstein's Secretary of War?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian T
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Agreed. I have recorded a bit of classical guitar in my time and compressing
>it does change it for the worse, IMO. The attack is what it is all about
>with classical/flamenco guitars. String noise is another natural artifact
of
>classical guitar (assuming that the Low E, A and D are round wound). Most
>classical guitarists I've worked with were total reverb freaks, wanting
to
>wash the the guitar until it sounded like it was recorded in some cathedral.
>If you've got a vocalist involved, beware of this or you'll get a very
>unnatural soundstage unless you want the vocalist to sound like she's in
a
>cathedral too.
>
>
>"wireline" <brainless@nospam.org> wrote in message news:4655e8a3$1@linux...
>>
>> Most classical things I've recorded were left alone, or at the most had
a
>> touch of limiting if mixed hit...nylong string guitars are not known for
>> their sustain, so artificially adding it with compression will likely
make
>> for an artificial sound...
>>
>> Flying by the seat of your pants is a good thing with most guitars, anyway
>> - there are no rules, and nothing is really right or wrong.
>>
>> Just an opinion.
>>
>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello all,
>>>
>>>I am recording some nylon guitars.
>>>Music is simple..just nylon guitars and female vox.
>>>Anyone have any links to articles on mixing such a project or nylon =
>>>guitars at the very least.
>>>Compression, limiting, ideas?
>>>I got various soft comps.
>>>I tracked with minimal compression using a RNC...2db of comp at the =
>>>most.
>>>I still think it could benefit from more.
>>>Or maybe multiband compression.
>>>I havent ever seen any learning materials on this subject so I am kinda
>>>flyin by the seat of my pants.
>>>I want to make the guitars as smooth and classical sounding as =
>>>possible.
>>>I guess I mean commercial. But Classical Commercial not pop commercial.
>>>Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>--=20
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Brandon
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16441" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I am recording some nylon guitars.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Music is simple..just nylon guitars and female=20
>>>vox.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyone have any links to articles on mixing such
>> =
>>>a project=20
>>>or nylon guitars at the very least.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Compression, limiting, ideas?</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I got various soft comps.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I tracked with minimal compression using a =
>>>RNC...2db of=20
>>>comp at the most.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I still think it could benefit from =
>>>more.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Or maybe multiband compression.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I havent ever seen any learning materials on =
>>>this subject=20
>>>so I am kinda</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>flyin by the seat of my pants.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I want to make the guitars as smooth and =
>>>classical=20
>>>sounding as possible.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I guess I mean commercial. But Classical =
>>>Commercial not=20
>>>pop commercial.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Any help would be much appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
>>><DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV>Brandon </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Ride the faders instead of compressing.I'll cut and paster from a different thread, as answer.
***************************************
Howdy Ya'll........... from Texas.
Well, well, it appears that Brian T is still alive and still uses Paris
on a regular basis, despite what you may have heard to the contrary. I
still drop in here now and again in lurker mode to see what's up, and
this is still the coolest collection of people on any newsgroup I've
ever seen.
Dimitrios has taken up the torch in the true spirit of bleeding edge
just-because-we-can-ism. I love it.
I currently have 8 EDS cards and 5 MECs running a total of 9 ADAT cards.
2x ADAT on MECs B, C, D and E and a single ADAT on the "A" MEC. I never
have a problem, other than it takes a while to boot Paris because of the
way the Paris app parses the hardware attached to the EDS1000s so
slowly. That's something Chris T tried to improve when we were fine
tuning the XP drivers at my studio, but when we sped it up on the XP
drivers, Paris would lock up while booting. Still don't know why.
The only consistent thing I can think of is that in all cases, my ADAT
cards are farthest from the MEC power supply. Other than that, it's just
turn it on and go.
I've been told that electrons seem to like me especially well, for some
reason or other. I suppose this could also be a factor. Say, you guys DO
talk nice to your gear, don't you?
Regards,
Brian T
********************************************************
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Hey Brian, welcome back! What's shakin'?
>
> You still using PARIS? Or does Nuendo have you covered these days?
>
> BTW, good points.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> BT wrote:
>> We're not much wiser or more foolish than most other countries, on a
>> given day.
>>
>> It's just that the USA leaves so much larger a footprint than anybody
>> else, our mistakes are greatly amplified when compared to, for
>> instance, Guatemala or New Zealand.
>>
>> Has anybody noticed that the US possesses over 80% of the world's
>> aircraft carrier deck space, and more like 90% of the world's carrier
>> based warplanes? So that's 5% of the world's populace with 90% or so
>> of the world's naval power. Kind of disproportionate.
>>
>> When we screw up, it's a big deal, usually has sizable implications
>> for others, and everybody notices. That really is a big part of this
>> issue. I mean, when is the last time the whole world was bummed out
>> over some boneheaded move by Lichtenstein's Secretary of War?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian TA very strange thing has happened here...
All these really different people, who see eye to eye on
next to nothing, have actually mostly learned to get along
even when discussing the most sensitive of issues...
It is amazing, and exists almost no where else on the web.
Yes, there are exceptions, but in general it's a pretty good
place to hang out.
I am still designing and installing live sound and studios. We have
2 big Catholic churches going now, and in another 2 weeks, no
one will see me for a month...
You can have time or you can have money...
Pick one..
DC
BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>Doing well, thanks. And you?
>
>BT
>
>DC wrote:
>> Hi BT!
>>
>> Nice to hear from you. How have you been?
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> We're not much wiser or more foolish than most other countries, on a
>>> given day.
>>>
>>> It's just that the USA leaves so much larger a footprint than anybody
>>> else, our mistakes are greatly amplified when compared to, for instance,
>>
>>> Guatemala or New Zealand.
>>>
>>> Has anybody noticed that the US possesses over 80% of the world's
>>> aircraft carrier deck space, and more like 90% of the world's carrier
>>> based warplanes? So that's 5% of the world's populace with 90% or so
of
>>
>>> the world's naval power. Kind of disproportionate.
>>>
>>> When we screw up, it's a big deal, usually has sizable implications for
>>
>>> others, and everybody notices. That really is a big part of this issue.
>>
>>> I mean, when is the last time the whole world was bummed out over some
>>> boneheaded move by Lichtenstein's Secretary of War?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brian T
>>Hmm,
I hadn't considered Liquid Mix usable with Paris, but I guess it would be
under XP. I'm on a Mac. Rats. I really like it too. I'm using it with Logic
and like most
reviewers, can't say that the emulations are "precise". Probably UAD are
closer in
EQ and width, attack characteristics etc, but I really find the Liquid Mix
grabs the
signal and pulls it out of the speakers. It's really good.
my 2 cents (CDN)
Ted
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>The liquid mix has problems with Pro Tools and I think other hardware DSP
>systems. I think it's an issue with what the DAW reports to the device about
>VST plug-ins. The next version of the software should fix it.
>
>http://www.focusrite.com/news/76
>
>Also, if you google 'focusrite liquid mix review' one of the first few that
>comes up is from a Pro Tools user who had some similar problems.
>
>Once you have it working, I promise you'll love it.
>
>TCB
>
>"Ivan" <duskworx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hello,
>>I have an interesting problem to sink your teeth in.
>>I have been using Paris for a number of years and recently bought a FocusRite
>>Liquid Mix to try to use it with Paris. I have installed original software
>>and drivers, and then updated software to the latest version. However,
every
>>time I start up the Liquid Mix effect in Paris, i get a message: Sorry,
>this
>>version of Liquid Mix does not allow buffer size above 4096. Set the DAW
>>buffer size lower to use Liquid Mix.
>>how do I set the "buffer size" to any value? Can you configure it at all
>>and how?
>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanx,
>>
>>Ivan
>>
>You use Liquid Mix Thad?
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4655f21f$1@linux...
>
> The liquid mix has problems with Pro Tools and I think other hardware DSP
> systems. I think it's an issue with what the DAW reports to the device
> about
> VST plug-ins. The next version of the software should fix it.
>
> http://www.focusrite.com/news/76
>
> Also, if you google 'focusrite liquid mix review' one of the first few
> that
> comes up is from a Pro Tools user who had some similar problems.
>
> Once you have it working, I promise you'll love it.
>
> TCB
>
> "Ivan" <duskworx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hello,
>>I have an interesting problem to sink your teeth in.
>>I have been using Paris for a number of years and recently bought a
>>FocusRite
>>Liquid Mix to try to use it with Paris. I have installed original software
>>and drivers, and then updated software to the latest version. However,
>>every
>>time I start up the Liquid Mix effect in Paris, i get a message: Sorry,
> this
>>version of Liquid Mix does not allow buffer size above 4096. Set the DAW
>>buffer size lower to use Liquid Mix.
>>how do I set the "buffer size" to any value? Can you configure it at all
>>and how?
>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanx,
>>
>>Ivan
>>
>My Core32 / LDI 12T sat in a box, out of use, for about four or five years.
I resurrected the whole system a week ago - including the old Win98 PII-450
system.
What I used to do was this:
Paris MEC A ADAT Out 1&2 to LDI 12T ADAT In 1&2 ---> PC90 Machine 1
Paris MEC B SPDIF Out L&R to LDI 12T SPDIF In L&R ----> PC90 Machine 2.
Everything happy, two reverbs, blah blah blah.
Now something is messed up, and I haven't changed anything other than
putting the system away for a few years. The card and the LDI interface
were stored outside of the computer, but in antistatic bags etc.
Here's what's happening:
1- Both PC90 are flaky re: reverb levels. The return to Paris, whether by
ADAT, SPDIF or analog, seems to vary from perfectly acceptable to really low
(cranking the Paris AuxRetn to +20 seems to bring it to where it needs to
be).
2- The PC90 sometimes stops passing signal (again, whether analog, ADAT or
SPDIF) and instead sends some 0DbFS of something I can't hear (my guess is
it's below 20Hz). Paris sees it and freaks.
3- The system diagnostics built into the Core32 say everything is fine, but
I still get a Core32 Failed and PC90 failed message at the end of the diag.
I'd love to solve the problem by borrowing gear. Anyone feel up to it?
Sandy
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:465539d0$1@linux...
>
> Hi Dedric,
> Are you selling or trading for your PC90 core32 ?
> I have one left input Paris card I also have the AKG microphone I posted
> before.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>I still have mine - don't use it much though.
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 5/23/07 9:47 PM, in article 46550c66@linux, "Sandy Tipping"
>><tippsand@earthling.net> wrote:
>>
>>> DJ (and anyone else who is reading this),
>>>
>>> Do you still have / use the Lexicon Core32 / PC90 combination?
>>>
>>> I've got some issues with mine and want to cry on a shoulder (and ask
> a few
>>> questions).
>>>
>>> Sandy
>>>
>>>
>>
>I have been finding less and less inspiration working in the studio lately.
Maybe I'm just burned out...I dunno. I walk in there, fire it up, everything
works and for some reason, what I'm hearing just doesn't start my motor.
This never happened when I was using Paris, but when I was using Paris, it
took me about 10 minutes to get all of the outboard/DAWS, etc. clocked up
properly and playing nice so maybe by that time there was a "gratitude"
factor involved in my thinking instead of a "take it for granted" factor.Have you tried clocking the LDI 12T from an external source?
"Sandy Tipping" <tippsand@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:46561755@linux...
> My Core32 / LDI 12T sat in a box, out of use, for about four or five
> years.
> I resurrected the whole system a week ago - including the old Win98
> PII-450 system.
> What I used to do was this:
> Paris MEC A ADAT Out 1&2 to LDI 12T ADAT In 1&2 ---> PC90 Machine 1
> Paris MEC B SPDIF Out L&R to LDI 12T SPDIF In L&R ----> PC90 Machine 2.
> Everything happy, two reverbs, blah blah blah.
> Now something is messed up, and I haven't changed anything other than
> putting the system away for a few years. The card and the LDI interface
> were stored outside of the computer, but in antistatic bags etc.
> Here's what's happening:
>
> 1- Both PC90 are flaky re: reverb levels. The return to Paris, whether by
> ADAT, SPDIF or analog, seems to vary from perfectly acceptable to really
> low (cranking the Paris AuxRetn to +20 seems to bring it to where it needs
> to be).
> 2- The PC90 sometimes stops passing signal (again, whether analog, ADAT or
> SPDIF) and instead sends some 0DbFS of something I can't hear (my guess is
> it's below 20Hz). Paris sees it and freaks.
> 3- The system diagnostics built into the Core32 say everything is fine,
> but I still get a Core32 Failed and PC90 failed message at the end of the
> diag.
>
> I'd love to solve the problem by borrowing gear. Anyone feel up to it?
>
> Sandy
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:465539d0$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Dedric,
>> Are you selling or trading for your PC90 core32 ?
>> I have one left input Paris card I also have the AKG microphone I posted
>> before.
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>I still have mine - don't use it much though.
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>On 5/23/07 9:47 PM, in article 46550c66@linux, "Sandy Tipping"
>>><tippsand@earthling.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> DJ (and anyone else who is reading this),
>>>>
>>>> Do you still have / use the Lexicon Core32 / PC90 combination?
>>>>
>>>> I've got some issues with mine and want to cry on a shoulder (and ask
>> a few
>>>> questions).
>>>>
>>>> Sandy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>So, I am helping a friend get his studio monitors and sub dialed
in. We spend a couple of hours with the analyzer straight into
the powered speakers and move things around, play with
crossover points, etc, and get it pretty decent. Because of his
placing the monitors on the console he had the usual 100hz.
bump from the baffle extension. I got a brainstorm... Why not
develop a 2 channel EQ template in Logic that he could put across
the stereo masters and correct the speaker bump?
So, I put the pink noise into Logic via a MOTU 2408 and dang!
there is an even bigger bump at 100... About 5db worse than
straight to the speakers... Quit out of Logic and run the signal
throught the MOTU PC424 virtual mixer only. No difference...
Where is this bass bump coming from? Anyone seen this?
MOTU tech support has so far been zero help on this issue.
Ideas?
thanks
DCIt's not just you, though it hasn't happened to me for six months or more
now, touch wood colored pixel. ;o)
I have found though that sometimes I'm creative, and sometimes not. Sometimes
music bores me, other times it's a dream. There have been times when I've
spent 12 months fairly bored by almost everything musical, but to date i've
always come out the other end going "Hey, now THERE's something I haven't
done before". Sometimes it means listening to styles or bands I haven't really
enjoyed before. Something always pulls me out of it though.
One thing I have noticed is that gear seems to influence this. Gear can send
me both ways though. There have been times I've bought new gear and been
over the moon with inspiration. Other times it seems my inspiration was actually
the gear, not the music, and I get something new and wonderful, mess with
it for a few hours and go "Meh, whatever" and get bored and go do something
else for two weeks.
When I got Paris was an interesting time as my whole workflow had to change.
Indeed it's only been recently that it's come back to where it started. The
basic Paris workflow seems to be well suited to bands, but not as much to
me solo in the way I work. Having the GNX-4 as a "final product scratchpad"
has increased my throughput massively. I still use Paris for mixdowns and
editing, but 70% of the recording is done on the GNX in loop mode.
My point being I guess that changes in workflow and gear can have unusual
effects. I'm sure you'll find inspiration again, but whether you need to
buy a Paris system again ;o) ...?
....that I don't know.
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I have been finding less and less inspiration working in the studio lately.
>Maybe I'm just burned out...I dunno. I walk in there, fire it up, everything
>works and for some reason, what I'm hearing just doesn't start my motor.
>This never happened when I was using Paris, but when I was using Paris,
it
>took me about 10 minutes to get all of the outboard/DAWS, etc. clocked up
>properly and playing nice so maybe by that time there was a "gratitude"
>factor involved in my thinking instead of a "take it for granted" factor.
>
>Hi Peoples,
Anybody got tricks for making this happen in the most efficacious and expeditious
way?
Bodacious regards,
Jon"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>So, I put the pink noise into Logic via a MOTU 2408 and dang!
>there is an even bigger bump at 100... About 5db worse than
>straight to the speakers... Quit out of Logic and run the signal
>throught the MOTU PC424 virtual mixer only. No difference...
>
>Where is this bass bump coming from? Anyone seen this?
I'll betcha it has something to do with the Panning Law in the
virtual mixer... going straight into the speakers is giving you
a fixed-source spectrum on each speaker, and the panning law of
whatever it's set to in the virtual mixer is affecting
something somewhere.
Are you using a single mic for the spectrum analysis? If so,
try disconnecting the right speaker, then taking a reading on
the left speaker only with the noise source pumped straight in
vs the same speaker with the noise going through the virtual
mixer & see if there's a difference then. Then switch speakers
& disconnect the left, etc. That method could also rule out
phasing anomalies.
Neil"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I have been finding less and less inspiration working in the studio lately.
>Maybe I'm just burned out...I dunno. I walk in there, fire it up, everything
>works and for some reason, what I'm hearing just doesn't start my motor.
>This never happened when I was using Paris, but when I was using Paris,
it
>took me about 10 minutes to get all of the outboard/DAWS, etc. clocked up
>properly and playing nice so maybe by that time there was a "gratitude"
>factor involved in my thinking instead of a "take it for granted" factor.
That's because you're by nature a tinkerer more than you're a
recordist. I don't mean that in a negative way, it's just that
you would rather overcome the challenges inherent in your latest
Goldbergian setup than sit down at a fully-functioning rig that
boots up in less than 15 seconds & everything works the moment
your wallpaper comes up & you can set up a mic & dial in a nice
preamp & record for ten hours straight with no glitches,
lockups, or BSOD's. That kind of shit bores you.
So my advice would be... find something you can tinker with;
specifically a genre that you're not familiar with working
on... invite some metal band or jazz fusion group over to
record a couple of tunes. Do it for free, even, using it as an
excuse to educate yourself on how to mic a Mesa Triple
Rectumfrier 1/2 stack with five mics in the front, three in the
back & a PZM glued to the side, rather than another banjo pass
with 5 mics in the room, three out by the barn, and a PZM glued
to the chair the guy's sitting on.
Know what ah mean???
Seriously - do something musically different... it'll get your
creative juices flowing.
NeilHI Jon,
Wavelab versions 3 and higher can do it. it will even batch convert
them. Also I think there is a shareware app that just does that but
forget what it's called.
You can get the current version of wave lab pretty cheap if you own any
other current audio apps. They offer a cross-grade that is about half
the price of the full app.
Chris
Jon Jiles wrote:
> Hi Peoples,
>
> Anybody got tricks for making this happen in the most efficacious and expeditious
> way?
>
> Bodacious regards,
> Jon
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762Its not just you...its either somethingn in the air, or something in the business...I
tink there is a direct correlation between purpose, current and/or former
anticipated end results, and enthusiasm.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I have been finding less and less inspiration working in the studio lately.
>Maybe I'm just burned out...I dunno. I walk in there, fire it up, everything
>works and for some reason, what I'm hearing just doesn't start my motor.
>This never happened when I was using Paris, but when I was using Paris,
it
>took me about 10 minutes to get all of the outboard/DAWS, etc. clocked up
>properly and playing nice so maybe by that time there was a "gratitude"
>factor involved in my thinking instead of a "take it for granted" factor.
>
>Exactly! But even with a speaker off, the bump is still there...
very strange huh?
DC
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>So, I put the pink noise into Logic via a MOTU 2408 and dang!
>>there is an even bigger bump at 100... About 5db worse than
>>straight to the speakers... Quit out of Logic and run the signal
>>throught the MOTU PC424 virtual mixer only. No difference...
>>
>>Where is this bass bump coming from? Anyone seen this?
>
>I'll betcha it has something to do with the Panning Law in the
>virtual mixer... going straight into the speakers is giving you
>a fixed-source spectrum on each speaker, and the panning law of
>whatever it's set to in the virtual mixer is affecting
>something somewhere.
>
>Are you using a single mic for the spectrum analysis? If so,
>try disconnecting the right speaker, then taking a reading on
>the left speaker only with the noise source pumped straight in
>vs the same speaker with the noise going through the virtual
>mixer & see if there's a difference then. Then switch speakers
>& disconnect the left, etc. That method could also rule out
>phasing anomalies.
>
>NeilWell, throwing my two cents into the mix would involve
statements such as:
a.) Compress it if you want to - just be aware that you're also
going to increase finger noise as you do this... what used to
be a "pluck!" becomes a "sssSSSHHPING!" on the high strings,
and a "Thhwoom" on the wound strings if you're not careful.
b.) You can minimize this by compressing to track & backing off
on the mic distance a bit - that way you hear exactly what
you're going to be getting as an end result, or closer to it
than if you don't compress to track.
c.) Use long-ish plate 'verbs with some low end rolled off if
you're compressing & you want to use reverbs, it also helps to
minimize or even elminate early reflections & predelay - again
this is a finger-noise issue: if you're compressing & hence
increasing finger-noise, if you're using s 'verb with a lot of
predelay and or E/R, you're going to get little splatters &
pings everywhere that will annoy the fuck out of you.
If you haven't already recorded the instrument, try this setup:
1.) SDC aimed at the neck joint about 1.5 to two feet away from
the instrument - pointed either directly at the neck joint or
angled slightly towards the body.
2.) LDC positioned about 1.5 to two feet back from the players
right hand (assuming he's a righty), aimed essentially at the
players' right hand (again, assuming he's a righty), and about
a foot lower than the SDC... pretty much right around the
bottom line of the guitar body, but angled up a bit towards the
soundhole. This angle elimates any direct reflections off the
face of the body, thereby cutting boominess, and also allows you
to get some floor reflections (assuming you have a wood floor),
but using the LDC in this position still allows you get a get a
fuller, more focused sound. If you have a couple of pretty
accurate, not too heavily-colored mics, you can even pan them
hard L&R & EQ them as closely as possible to get a nicer stereo
effect than a "true" stereo mic setup. I've never failed to get
a great acoustic guitar sound this way, whether you're talking
nylon or bronze.
Neil
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>I am recording some nylon guitars.
>Music is simple..just nylon guitars and female vox.
>Anyone have any links to articles on mixing such a project or nylon =
>guitars at the very least.
>Compression, limiting, ideas?
>I got various soft comps.
>I tracked with minimal compression using a RNC...2db of comp at the =
>most.
>I still think it could benefit from more.
>Or maybe multiband compression.
>I havent ever seen any learning materials on this subject so I am kinda
>flyin by the seat of my pants.
>I want to make the guitars as smooth and classical sounding as =
>possible.
>I guess I mean commercial. But Classical Commercial not pop commercial.
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>
>--=20
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
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>Well then it's gotta be a bump that's built into the Virtual
Mixer software, innit?
Neil
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Exactly! But even with a speaker off, the bump is still there...
>
>very strange huh?
>
>DC
>
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>So, I put the pink noise into Logic via a MOTU 2408 and dang!
>>>there is an even bigger bump at 100... About 5db worse than
>>>straight to the speakers... Quit out of Logic and run the signal
>>>throught the MOTU PC424 virtual mixer only. No difference...
>>>
>>>Where is this bass bump coming from? Anyone seen this?
>>
>>I'll betcha it has something to do with the Panning Law in the
>>virtual mixer... going straight into the speakers is giving you
>>a fixed-source spectrum on each speaker, and the panning law of
>>whatever it's set to in the virtual mixer is affecting
>>something somewhere.
>>
>>Are you using a single mic for the spectrum analysis? If so,
>>try disconnecting the right speaker, then taking a reading on
>>the left speaker only with the noise source pumped straight in
>>vs the same speaker with the noise going through the virtual
>>mixer & see if there's a difference then. Then switch speakers
>>& disconnect the left, etc. That method could also rule out
>>phasing anomalies.
>>
>>Neil
>Yes, or something in the 2408 hardware...
I can't get MOTU to take this issue seriously. The guy actually
sent me audio files of 1K and 100hz. sinewaves to play back from
inside Logic....
I don't know what he is thinking other than trying to find
somewhere else to point a finger. Maybe if the files playback
at equal levels he can say "no problem found" and go get some
coffee...
I'm trying to get him to understand that it even happens on
the 424 mixer, but he keeps coming back with the files to
play back... So I am supposed to drive for two hours to see if
the problem exists in a totally different set of conditions.
Pass pink noise through the 2408 and back out and you get a
bass hump... What the hell is going on?
Very annoying.
DC
"Neil" <IUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>
>Well then it's gotta be a bump that's built into the Virtual
>Mixer software, innit?
>
>Neil
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Exactly! But even with a speaker off, the bump is still there...
>>
>>very strange huh?
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>So, I put the pink noise into Logic via a MOTU 2408 and dang!
>>>>there is an even bigger bump at 100... About 5db worse than
>>>>straight to the speakers... Quit out of Logic and run the signal
>>>>throught the MOTU PC424 virtual mixer only. No difference...
>>>>
>>>>Where is this bass bump coming from? Anyone seen this?
>>>
>>>I'll betcha it has something to do with the Panning Law in the
>>>virtual mixer... going straight into the speakers is giving you
>>>a fixed-source spectrum on each speaker, and the panning law of
>>>whatever it's set to in the virtual mixer is affecting
>>>something somewhere.
>>>
>>>Are you using a single mic for the spectrum analysis? If so,
>>>try disconnecting the right speaker, then taking a reading on
>>>the left speaker only with the noise source pumped straight in
>>>vs the same speaker with the noise going through the virtual
>>>mixer & see if there's a difference then. Then switch speakers
>>>& disconnect the left, etc. That method could also rule out
>>>phasing anomalies.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
>"We should blow up less and build more."
This is why I'll always have a soft spot for you tank.
Chuck
BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>The US submarine contingent may not be 90% of the world, but it's still
>well over 50% of the world's total combat capability. Chinese subs are
>largely ineffective, at least currently, by comparison. And the Russian
>submarine force is now a far cry from it's former USSR glory. Look here
>for comparisons, and there are other sites as well:
>
>http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/
>
>I'd say our submarine dominance is undisputed.
>
>Subs are most useful in a full-on "official" war between belligerent
>nations. OTOH, carriers project power that can be employed in many
>different ways and scenarios, in peacetime/almost-wartime/wartime....
>that transient state the world exists in now.
>
>Carriers also pack far more psychological impact. A show of force rarely
>involves submarines....not much to see. It usually involves parading a
>couple of carriers back and forth with dozens and dozens of high
>performance attack planes flying about as they please. Carriers make for
>far more impressive dog 'n pony shows and can sometimes forestall the
>need to actually use force.
>
>Also keep in mind, the subs that sink the carriers in the war games are
>*our* subs. I don't think their subs are going to fare as well, overall.
>
>Back to the main point. America's mistakes, and their are plenty of
>them, are highly amplified in both their impact and their scrutinization
> by the inordinately broad influence our country wields. I wish we
>made better and more benevolent use of that power.
>
>We should blow up less and build more.
>
>
>Regards,
>Brian T
>
>TCB wrote:
>> This stat distorts things a bit, because after WW II the US Navy decided
that
>> the aircraft carrier was the primary weapon to have in the closet. The
Russians
>> then, and the Chinese now, have decided that the submarine is the crucial
>> link, and the US has nowhere near 90% of the subs in the world. This makes
>> sense because the sub navies meet a largely defensive/deterrent goal while
>> carrier navies are about projecting power overseas. Since the US has zero
>> fear of anyone sailing over here and invading the continental US, we built
>> a navy that can be used to attack, or at least threaten, other countries.
>> All of which is to say that 80/90/100 percent of carriers does not equal
>> a similar percentage of naval power. Oh, one more thing. In war games
the
>> subs almost always sink the carriers, so the carrier navy is really only
>> useful against countries without powerful sub navies. So if Iran were
smart
>> they'd be buying subs instead of trying to acquire a nuke.
>>
>> Second, your argument is correct, to an extent. However, if the War Minister
>> of Lichtenstein does something stupid, say, manipulates his country into
>> war with known faulty intelligence, it doesn't matter. When the US does
that
>> a few hundred thousand people, almost all of them civilians, wind up dead.
>> The dead people are no less dead because we possess roughly average wisdom.
>> Which means we need to wise up.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> BT <gbtank@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> We're not much wiser or more foolish than most other countries, on a
>>> given day.
>>>
>>> It's just that the USA leaves so much larger a footprint than anybody
>>> else, our mistakes are greatly amplified when compared to, for instance,
>>
>>> Guatemala or New Zealand.
>>>
>>> Has anybody noticed that the US possesses over 80% of the world's
>>> aircraft carrier deck space, and more like 90% of the world's carrier
>>> based warplanes? So that's 5% of the world's populace with 90% or so
of
>>
>>> the world's naval power. Kind of disproportionate.
>>>
>>> When we screw up, it's a big deal, usually has sizable implications for
>>
>>> others, and everybody notices. That really is a big part of this issue.
>>
>>> I mean, when is the last time the whole world was bummed out over some
>>> boneheaded move by Lichtenstein's Secretary of War?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brian T
>>Yes. Wavelab batch conversion..............definitely.
DJ
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:46562bbc$1@linux...
> HI Jon,
> Wavelab versions 3 and higher can do it. it will even batch convert them.
> Also I think there is a shareware app that just does that but forget what
> it's called.
> You can get the current version of wave lab pretty cheap if you own any
> other current audio apps. They offer a cross-grade that is about half the
> price of the full app.
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> Jon Jiles wrote:
>> Hi Peoples,
>>
>> Anybody got tricks for making this happen in the most efficacious and
>> expeditious
>> way?
>>
>> Bodacious regards,
>> Jon
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762Thanks Niel.
The instruments are recorded already.
I recorded them just like you said here:
1.) SDC aimed at the neck joint about 1.5 to two feet away from
the instrument - pointed either directly at the neck joint or
angled slightly towards the body.
There is just enough low end for my liking.
We used one nylon acoustic and this guitar player loves
his Godin Midi nylon guitar. So... since it projects relatively well for
not having a sound hole I miced it with with a SDC pointed at the body of
the guitar below the right picking hand.
In hindsight I should have used a LDC, but ow well.. It sounds suprisenly
nice. It is bright , but still sounds like a nylon acoustic. I am panning
them hard left and right currently.
I will try out the verb suggestions you made.
So is EQing the tracks close to identical improve stereo image in this case
or any other? I had nver heard of that.
Very interesting.
I always thought contrast was cool. One side kinda bright and the other kinda
bassy.
Thanks,
B
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Well, throwing my two cents into the mix would involve
>statements such as:
>
>a.) Compress it if you want to - just be aware that you're also
>going to increase finger noise as you do this... what used to
>be a "pluck!" becomes a "sssSSSHHPING!" on the high strings,
>and a "Thhwoom" on the wound strings if you're not careful.
>
>b.) You can minimize this by compressing to track & backing off
>on the mic distance a bit - that way you hear exactly what
>you're going to be getting as an end result, or closer to it
>than if you don't compress to track.
>
>c.) Use long-ish plate 'verbs with some low end rolled off if
>you're compressing & you want to use reverbs, it also helps to
>minimize or even elminate early reflections & predelay - again
>this is a finger-noise issue: if you're compressing & hence
>increasing finger-noise, if you're using s 'verb with a lot of
>predelay and or E/R, you're going to get little splatters &
>pings everywhere that will annoy the fuck out of you.
>
>If you haven't already recorded the instrument, try this setup:
>
>1.) SDC aimed at the neck joint about 1.5 to two feet away from
>the instrument - pointed either directly at the neck joint or
>angled slightly towards the body.
>
>2.) LDC positioned about 1.5 to two feet back from the players
>right hand (assuming he's a righty), aimed essentially at the
>players' right hand (again, assuming he's a righty), and about
>a foot lower than the SDC... pretty much right around the
>bottom line of the guitar body, but angled up a bit towards the
>soundhole. This angle elimates any direct reflections off the
>face of the body, thereby cutting boominess, and also allows you
>to get some floor reflections (assuming you have a wood floor),
>but using the LDC in this position still allows you get a get a
>fuller, more focused sound. If you have a couple of pretty
>accurate, not too heavily-colored mics, you can even pan them
>hard L&R & EQ them as closely as possible to get a nicer stereo
>effect than a "true" stereo mic setup. I've never failed to get
>a great acoustic guitar sound this way, whether you're talking
>nylon or bronze.
>
>Neil
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>I am recording some nylon guitars.
>>Music is simple..just nylon guitars and female vox.
>>Anyone have any links to articles on mixing such a project or nylon =
>>guitars at the very least.
>>Compression, limiting, ideas?
>>I got various soft comps.
>>I tracked with minimal compression using a RNC...2db of comp at the =
>>most.
>>I still think it could benefit from more.
>>Or maybe multiband compression.
>>I havent ever seen any learning materials on this subject so I am kinda
>>flyin by the seat of my pants.
>>I want to make the guitars as smooth and classical sounding as =
>>possible.
>>I guess I mean commercial. But Classical Commercial not pop commercial.
>>Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>>
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>>
>>Brandon
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<DIV>"Neil" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:IOUOIU@OIU.com">IOUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:465653d5$1@linux">news:465653d5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Bill=
L=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:bill@billlorentzen.com">bill@billlorentzen.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>All very good suggestions. I would also find a track by =
someone=20
else <BR>>that you really like and try to match it with EQ and =
verb,=20
etc.<BR><BR>Like maybe THIS one....? :D<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/2B-LCclip.mp3">http://saqqara=
records.com/MiscAudio/2B-LCclip.mp3</A><BR><BR>(recorded=20
this around '90-'91... classical guitar comes in at<BR>about 30 =
seconds in - I=20
guess I coulda cut it down some, but<BR>the intro's nice to listen to =
:) - I=20
don't think the guys who<BR>were in this band would mind if I posted a =
short=20
clip. IIRC,<BR>this was Fernadez classical mic'ed with a U87 & a =
451 as=20
I<BR>described earlier. It's a hi-rez mp3 file, and if you have=20
good<BR>monitors you should even be able to hear some click =
track<BR>headphone=20
leakage (thanks to those crap AKG baffled cans we<BR>were=20
using).<BR><BR>Neil</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C79EAB.ED47CB50--I was just going to take a deep breath and let this go, because your post is
so full of defective logic that it would take a week to address each
individual "point." But . . . being called stupid by an adult (assuming)
with the reasoning ability of a 5-year-old was a little more than I could
stand to let slide. The closing scene with my rotting corpse floating down
the river, minus its "silly head," was icing on the cake, and a particularly
bright passage, I must say. A little wishful thinking there?
Yeah, we're all "damned lucky" you're not in charge. Unfortunately, the
morons in who are in charge could not have stayed in power this long without
the support of hateful, violent people who "think" like you.
I worked for a long time in a state hospital for the mentally "challenged,"
and it was always interesting to me how condescending
retarded people can be. I think it's because they're not smart enough to
know that they don't know, so when they can't comprehend what you're saying
to them, they think you're the idiot.
I'm saving your post so when I hear people say things like, "Holy crap, why
is the world such an ugly, violent place?" I can say, "Well, here, read this
.. . . and then imagine how many millions of others are similarly limited."
Go play now, James . . . this is big people talk.
Sarah
PS: My apologies to the other, more rational participants in this seemingly
endless discussion. I usually refrain from personal attacks, but he pissed
me off, and I gave in to a moment of weakness. Sorry. I'll shut up now. I
think I've said enough on this particular topic anyway.
PPS: Anybody know this McCloskey guy? Is he gonna rape me, beat me "with
an inch" of my life, and cut my head off now? (No! No! Not the inch again!)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4655f94e$1@linux...
>
>
> There is always collateral damage in war. You can't put a price on
> collateral
> damage when it comes to war. This isn't patty cakes, it's war. There is
> no way to make it clean, convenient, or palatable! So how could we have
> removed Sadam, his sons and the whole Baath party from power with out
> invading?
> We couldn't have. Your thinking is hindsight and vary convenient.
>
> It was Muslims that declared war on the US in 1996! It was Muslims that
> attacked us first. It's muslims that want a holy war. What about the
> people
> Sadam killed, possibly millions? Oh yeah, all those poor innocent people
> in Guantanamo. I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
> They're damned lucky I'm not in charge. As far as McCain goes he is a
> weasel.
> >
> Of course they are decent people, and I guess we are not, right? We are
> not making war. They started war in our country! They had no business
> being
> in our country. As far as their countries, we say that if they stop
> fighting
> and get along, we'll pull out and get the hell out of their countries.
> What
> do they do? They keep fighting to keep us there. They want us there.
> They
> keep us there. How can you be so sure that the people killed around Al
> Qaeda
> aren't giving aid and support to them. Yes our intelligence is always
> wrong.
> If we bomb a target of insurgents, it's going to turn out to be a wedding
> party full of kids. That is so convenient for the left wing liberal
> media!
>
> Who is killing the innocent in Iraq? You'd like to blame the US. That is
> so convenient for you. Why don't Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents
> count? What, is it inconvenient? Is it because it doesn't fit in to you
> stupid liberal thinking? What about Al Qaeda? They kill their own at
> will
> and it's Ok. And it's the US that is wrong. It's the US thinking that is
> wrong. It the US that asked for this by our policies. What a pile of
> rotten,
> stinking, bullshit!!!!!
>
> Since we are doing it all wrong, why don't you go over there and make sure
> the right people get killed? They would catch you, rape you, beat you
> with
> an inch of your life, then they'd cut your silly head off on video tape,
> and send your headless rotting corpse floating down the Tigress river,
> that's
> why not!
>
> It's you that doesn't get it!
>
> Al Qaeda is in Iraq!!! Where should it be dealt with?
>Well, I for one am incredibly pissed. A couple of years ago I saw the writing
on the wall and at considerable expense converted my cars engine to run on
whole milk. Have you guys seen the price of a gallon of milk lately?
Chuck
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>
>A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
did
>this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least someone
>is doing something.
>
>It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record profits
>every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
is
>one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it -
>twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>
>I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation to
>ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
a
>full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just in
time
>for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>(after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>solution.
>
>And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits mean
>steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need to
>fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the hands
>that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
go
>bankrupt.
>
>Sorry for the rant.
>
>If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4656ed83$1@linux...
>
> It's the Sinefex tech, they call it 'dynamic convolution' and claim that
> the
> run lots of different signals through the gear at various amplitudes to
> get
> their convolution algorithms. It makes a lot of sense for EQs and comps
> since
> they do act a lot different depending on how hard they are hit. So far (I
> haven't spent tons of time working with it) the plugs do seem to morph a
> bit depending on what they are fed. Also, I don't have Fairchilds and
> Avalons
> and Pultecs and LAs to do comparisons, but I'll say this, they don't all
> sound the same. It's not one algorithm with minor tweaking.
>
> If people here are interested I'll post some sounds with a couple of the
> plug-ins that are common to the LW and the UAD cards and you can decide
> for
> yourself.
>
> Near zero hit on the CPU, maybe 3-4 percent when using the unit full out.
> All of the lit says 'highly specialized processors' and 'in a native
> system
> only one dynamic convolution plug-in could be used' and so on. My guess is
> that's nonsense, but at least with the LW the dongle/controller adds some
> value by having very useful knobs and meters and bypass buttons.
>
> TCB
>
Thanks Thad. I would love to hear some comparisons between the LW and UAD-1.
I'm maxed out on UA stuff (4 cards) and if I don't have at least 40 plugins
on a mandolin, I feel naked. (not to mention the hit that the UAD-1's take
on the CPU, which is substantial)
Your insights are much appreciated.
DeejYes, in so far as I'm able. I've clocked it by all available clock inputs
on the LDI, but my external word clock is Paris (arguably, not the most
stable WC source).
Besides, it doesn't sound like clock (no pops / clicks etc). It sounds like
garbage.
Sandy
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46561921@linux...
> Have you tried clocking the LDI 12T from an external source?
>
> "Sandy Tipping" <tippsand@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:46561755@linux...
>> My Core32 / LDI 12T sat in a box, out of use, for about four or five
>> years.
>> I resurrected the whole system a week ago - including the old Win98
>> PII-450 system.
>> What I used to do was this:
>> Paris MEC A ADAT Out 1&2 to LDI 12T ADAT In 1&2 ---> PC90 Machine 1
>> Paris MEC B SPDIF Out L&R to LDI 12T SPDIF In L&R ----> PC90 Machine 2.
>> Everything happy, two reverbs, blah blah blah.
>> Now something is messed up, and I haven't changed anything other than
>> putting the system away for a few years. The card and the LDI interface
>> were stored outside of the computer, but in antistatic bags etc.
>> Here's what's happening:
>>
>> 1- Both PC90 are flaky re: reverb levels. The return to Paris, whether
>> by ADAT, SPDIF or analog, seems to vary from perfectly acceptable to
>> really low (cranking the Paris AuxRetn to +20 seems to bring it to where
>> it needs to be).
>> 2- The PC90 sometimes stops passing signal (again, whether analog, ADAT
>> or SPDIF) and instead sends some 0DbFS of something I can't hear (my
>> guess is it's below 20Hz). Paris sees it and freaks.
>> 3- The system diagnostics built into the Core32 say everything is fine,
>> but I still get a Core32 Failed and PC90 failed message at the end of the
>> diag.
>>
>> I'd love to solve the problem by borrowing gear. Anyone feel up to it?
>>
>> Sandy
>>
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>> news:465539d0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi Dedric,
>>> Are you selling or trading for your PC90 core32 ?
>>> I have one left input Paris card I also have the AKG microphone I posted
>>> before.
>>> Regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>I still have mine - don't use it much though.
>>>>
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>On 5/23/07 9:47 PM, in article 46550c66@linux, "Sandy Tipping"
>>>><tippsand@earthling.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DJ (and anyone else who is reading this),
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you still have / use the Lexicon Core32 / PC90 combination?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got some issues with mine and want to cry on a shoulder (and ask
>>> a few
>>>>> questions).
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>On the subject of tinkering, DJ, check this out -
http://www.anti-theory.com/soundart/circuitbend/
David L
On 24-May-2007, "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> That's because you're by nature a tinkerer more than you're a
> recordist. I don't mean that in a negative way, it's just that
> you would rather overcome the challenges inherent in your latest
> Goldbergian setup than sit down at a fully-functioning rig that
> boots up in less than 15 seconds & everything works the moment
> your wallpaper comes up & you can set up a mic & dial in a nice
> preamp & record for ten hours straight with no glitches,
> lockups, or BSOD's.I see your point Thad, but the difference is when looking at the "record
profits" side of this. I don't see Starbucks (for example) making record
profit every quarter, though I'm not following them regularly - they are
growing and doing quite well, as one would expect of a profitable business,
but they also aren't raising prices every day because a tea leaf farmer in
China got the 24-hour flu. They also add new products and services to
entice customers, and run specials, promotions, etc. When is the last time
you got a 2 for 1 coupon for gas in the mail? Never? Same here.
If oil companies were reporting steady profits or a small loss here or there
followed by a good quarter the next to balance it or better even, then fine,
that's economics (doesn't mean I have to like the way they are going about
it), but they aren't. Profits for the oil industry are in the trillions.
Profits, not income. That means the cost of "water" for them is either
going down, or they are just raising prices because consumers have no choice
but to pay it. In most industries that's considered price gouging and
monopolization (as an industry since there are "competing" companies that
happen to be linked by a single oil-price fixing organization).
Of course oil companies "have to" report a profit to keep investors happy,
so it's really a shell game to improve profitability, not provide a service
or product at a reasonable price over costs.
Also take into account that Starbucks' retail outlets are actually making a
profit on the tea they sell, and coffee, scones, etc. Local gas station
owners aren't. They make most of their money on food and other goods. The
only real loss the owner in the linked article really faced was not making
up his cost in buying the gas to begin with. $3.48 in cost means these guys
are making pennies at best - some may even take a loss to compete with other
stations. The only reason to own a gas station is to sell cokes, candy, and
snacks, not gas - gas is just a guaranteed customer magnet. Gasoline isn't
a retail profit industry but a distributor/developer profit industry. Most
retail markets have the greatest markup at the retailer, not before. The
oil industry is one of the few that's the other way around. That's the
difference between the oil industry and Starbucks, or (pick your favorite
tea/coffee shop).
Dedric
On 5/25/07 7:56 AM, in article 4656eb0b$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
>
> I've never quite understood the American rage at fuel prices. I'm finishing
> off my first iced tea of the day, which is water plus leaves grown in a third
> would country and shipped here. I pay $2.12 for a 16 ounce plastic cup of
> it. Take out a nickel for the cup, a quarter for the tea (very generous),
> and a dime for overhead and I'm paying 1.72 for water. That's not too far
> off what bottled water costs. 128 ounces in a gallon, so I'm paying 13.75
> for water. In addition this water is from naturally replenishing aquifers
> relatively near me, and to turn it into drinkable water some minor filtering
> and sterilizing has to happen.
>
> Compare that with gasoline. It has to be dug out of the ground using some
> pretty wild technology, and depending on where it comes from it will need
> either a great deal of refining (Saudi crude) or an unbelievable nearly magic
> amount of refining (Canadian oil sands). Unlike water it's highly volatile,
> so it needs all kinds of fancy equipment to keep it from blowing up at every
> stage of the refining process. Then it has to be trucked or shipped around
> in very specialized containers and stored in extremely expensive (and
> regulated)
> tanks before I can use it. And when I pull up to the pump in my '66
> Thunderbird
> I'm paying less than 4.00/gal for premium. Seems to me the gas should cost
> more than the water.
>
> TCB
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>
>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
> did
>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least someone
>> is doing something.
>>
>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record profits
>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
> is
>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it -
>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>
>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation to
>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
> a
>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just in
> time
>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>> solution.
>>
>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits mean
>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need to
>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the hands
>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
> go
>> bankrupt.
>>
>> Sorry for the rant.
>>
>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>
>>
>On any given day those two have a good shot at my top ten list.
I recently watched Chinatown again, that's another strong contender.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Bill L wrote:
> Loved it!
>
> Another good one in the same vein, "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest".
>
> Wireline wrote:
>> I think I have to nominate "Cool Hand Luke" as one of the top 10 greatest
>> flicks of all time...superlative writing, exceptional acting on
>> everyone's
>> part, some of the best music ever put to film, no special effects - just
>> great a great plot played out by great actors...
>>
>> "Takin it down here, boss!"No problem Deej, I'll try to do this over the weekend. I have my first batch
of keeper drum tracks to mess around from a tracking session with the Monx
on Tuesday. In fact, I'll do you one better, we'll do a 'taste test.' I'll
take some tracks, both solo and in mixes, and apply some f/x to them. I'll
post them no f/x and then with each processor and let you all decide which
one you like best. Then I'll tell you which is which.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4656ed83$1@linux...
>>
>> It's the Sinefex tech, they call it 'dynamic convolution' and claim that
>> the
>> run lots of different signals through the gear at various amplitudes to
>> get
>> their convolution algorithms. It makes a lot of sense for EQs and comps
>> since
>> they do act a lot different depending on how hard they are hit. So far
(I
>> haven't spent tons of time working with it) the plugs do seem to morph
a
>> bit depending on what they are fed. Also, I don't have Fairchilds and
>> Avalons
>> and Pultecs and LAs to do comparisons, but I'll say this, they don't all
>> sound the same. It's not one algorithm with minor tweaking.
>>
>> If people here are interested I'll post some sounds with a couple of the
>> plug-ins that are common to the LW and the UAD cards and you can decide
>> for
>> yourself.
>>
>> Near zero hit on the CPU, maybe 3-4 percent when using the unit full out.
>> All of the lit says 'highly specialized processors' and 'in a native
>> system
>> only one dynamic convolution plug-in could be used' and so on. My guess
is
>> that's nonsense, but at least with the LW the dongle/controller adds some
>> value by having very useful knobs and meters and bypass buttons.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>
>Thanks Thad. I would love to hear some comparisons between the LW and UAD-1.
>I'm maxed out on UA stuff (4 cards) and if I don't have at least 40 plugins
>on a mandolin, I feel naked. (not to mention the hit that the UAD-1's take
>on the CPU, which is substantial)
>
>Your insights are much appreciated.
>
>Deej
>
>HI DC,
Do you have a external AD/DA? You can probably confirm that way if it is
a in the MOTU hardware. Won't surprise me if they mess with the AD/DA
stage to make it "sound" better.
You could also try using the digital I/O looped back to see if there is
a bump but I'm not sure what your using to do the measurements with.
If it happens on the digital I/O also and you are sure the pan law
between the Motu and Logic are the same then it is either Logic or Motu.
Is there a way to change the the Pan law in the MOTU stuff or in Logic.
I've never seen either option in them.
It will be easy to rule out logic by just using another program to test.
Chris
DC wrote:
> Yes, or something in the 2408 hardware...
>
> I can't get MOTU to take this issue seriously. The guy actually
> sent me audio files of 1K and 100hz. sinewaves to play back from
> inside Logic....
>
> I don't know what he is thinking other than trying to find
> somewhere else to point a finger. Maybe if the files playback
> at equal levels he can say "no problem found" and go get some
> coffee...
>
> I'm trying to get him to understand that it even happens on
> the 424 mixer, but he keeps coming back with the files to
> play back... So I am supposed to drive for two hours to see if
> the problem exists in a totally different set of conditions.
>
> Pass pink noise through the 2408 and back out and you get a
> bass hump... What the hell is going on?
>
> Very annoying.
>
> DC
>
>
> "Neil" <IUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>> Well then it's gotta be a bump that's built into the Virtual
>> Mixer software, innit?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>> Exactly! But even with a speaker off, the bump is still there...
>>>
>>> very strange huh?
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>> So, I put the pink noise into Logic via a MOTU 2408 and dang!
>>>>> there is an even bigger bump at 100... About 5db worse than
>>>>> straight to the speakers... Quit out of Logic and run the signal
>>>>> throught the MOTU PC424 virtual mixer only. No difference...
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is this bass bump coming from? Anyone seen this?
>>>> I'll betcha it has something to do with the Panning Law in the
>>>> virtual mixer... going straight into the speakers is giving you
>>>> a fixed-source spectrum on each speaker, and the panning law of
>>>> whatever it's set to in the virtual mixer is affecting
>>>> something somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Are you using a single mic for the spectrum analysis? If so,
>>>> try disconnecting the right speaker, then taking a reading on
>>>> the left speaker only with the noise source pumped straight in
>>>> vs the same speaker with the noise going through the virtual
>>>> mixer & see if there's a difference then. Then switch speakers
>>>> & disconnect the left, etc. That method could also rule out
>>>> phasing anomalies.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comTake a look at these two charts. I'll write more later, busy day at work.
Gasoline prices adjusted for inflation
http://oregonstate.edu/Dept/pol_sci/fac/sahr/gasol.htm
Oil prices adjusted for inflation
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Oil/Inflati on_Adj_Oil_Prices_Chart.htm
Crude is north of $60 right now.
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I see your point Thad, but the difference is when looking at the "record
>profits" side of this. I don't see Starbucks (for example) making record
>profit every quarter, though I'm not following them regularly - they are
>growing and doing quite well, as one would expect of a profitable business,
>but they also aren't raising prices every day because a tea leaf farmer
in
>China got the 24-hour flu. They also add new products and services to
>entice customers, and run specials, promotions, etc. When is the last time
>you got a 2 for 1 coupon for gas in the mail? Never? Same here.
>
>If oil companies were reporting steady profits or a small loss here or there
>followed by a good quarter the next to balance it or better even, then fine,
>that's economics (doesn't mean I have to like the way they are going about
>it), but they aren't. Profits for the oil industry are in the trillions.
>Profits, not income. That means the cost of "water" for them is either
>going down, or they are just raising prices because consumers have no choice
>but to pay it. In most industries that's considered price gouging and
>monopolization (as an industry since there are "competing" companies that
>happen to be linked by a single oil-price fixing organization).
>
>Of course oil companies "have to" report a profit to keep investors happy,
>so it's really a shell game to improve profitability, not provide a service
>or product at a reasonable price over costs.
>
>Also take into account that Starbucks' retail outlets are actually making
a
>profit on the tea they sell, and coffee, scones, etc. Local gas station
>owners aren't. They make most of their money on food and other goods.
The
>only real loss the owner in the linked article really faced was not making
>up his cost in buying the gas to begin with. $3.48 in cost means these guys
>are making pennies at best - some may even take a loss to compete with other
>stations. The only reason to own a gas station is to sell cokes, candy,
and
>snacks, not gas - gas is just a guaranteed customer magnet. Gasoline isn't
>a retail profit industry but a distributor/developer profit industry. Most
>retail markets have the greatest markup at the retailer, not before. The
>oil industry is one of the few that's the other way around. That's the
>difference between the oil industry and Starbucks, or (pick your favorite
>tea/coffee shop).
>
>Dedric
>
>
>On 5/25/07 7:56 AM, in article 4656eb0b$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I've never quite understood the American rage at fuel prices. I'm finishing
>> off my first iced tea of the day, which is water plus leaves grown in
a third
>> would country and shipped here. I pay $2.12 for a 16 ounce plastic cup
of
>> it. Take out a nickel for the cup, a quarter for the tea (very generous),
>> and a dime for overhead and I'm paying 1.72 for water. That's not too
far
>> off what bottled water costs. 128 ounces in a gallon, so I'm paying 13.75
>> for water. In addition this water is from naturally replenishing aquifers
>> relatively near me, and to turn it into drinkable water some minor filtering
>> and sterilizing has to happen.
>>
>> Compare that with gasoline. It has to be dug out of the ground using some
>> pretty wild technology, and depending on where it comes from it will need
>> either a great deal of refining (Saudi crude) or an unbelievable nearly
magic
>> amount of refining (Canadian oil sands). Unlike water it's highly volatile,
>> so it needs all kinds of fancy equipment to keep it from blowing up at
every
>> stage of the refining process. Then it has to be trucked or shipped around
>> in very specialized containers and stored in extremely expensive (and
>> regulated)
>> tanks before I can use it. And when I pull up to the pump in my '66
>> Thunderbird
>> I'm paying less than 4.00/gal for premium. Seems to me the gas should
cost
>> more than the water.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>>
>>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>> did
>>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least someone
>>> is doing something.
>>>
>>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record profits
>>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
>> is
>>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it
-
>>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>>
>>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation
to
>>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
>> a
>>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just
in
>> time
>>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits
mean
>>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need
to
>>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the
hands
>>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
>> go
>>> bankrupt.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rant.
>>>
>>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>I turn on the tap and get water. It doesn't cost anything like 1.72/gal.
It's at least several orders of magnitude less expensive than that.
Whatever you're paying for in your tea product, Thad, it's not the
water, primarily.
Gas prices are destined to rise for several reasons.
1) There is only so much oil. Google "peak oil."
2) Rising worldwide demand. For example, growing economies in China and
India are becoming big consumers.
3) Rising US demand. Energy policy here has been generally shortsighted
over the last quarter century, at least, from the leadership down to the
consumer level.
For example, by now we could have had MUCH more efficient vehicles on
average, but we don't.
Meanwhile the population is growing. So we merrily burn up record
amounts of petroleum products. Blame goes to leadership; the domestic
car/truck industry; and consumers.
4) OPEC. 2/3 of the world's reserves and 40+% of production.
5) Consolidation in the oil industry. There is less competition.
(Blamers, you may blame both Clinton and Bush.) It's easier to keep
prices high when there are fewer major players involved.
Whether there is direct collusion is difficult to prove, the FTC who
regulates and allows the current state of consolidation is very
defensive about it, but their figures don't jive with the GAO's. The GAO
sees evidence that mergers have helped drive up gasoline prices at the pump.
"In 2004, the five largest refiners controlled 56 percent of the
gasoline refined in the United States and the 10 top companies
controlled 85 percent, according to a study by Public Citizen, a private
advocacy group.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he hopes to soon
consider legislation to strengthen antitrust laws on oil company mergers
to allow closer scrutiny of their impact on competition..
The legislation also would make it illegal for companies to hold back
refining crude oil -- or diverting or exporting refined products such as
gasoline -- when supplies are short in a region in order to hold up
prices. Some refiners in the past have been accused of diverting
supplies despite supply shortages in a region.
"It isn't illegal just to be big," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio,
chairman of the Judiciary antitrust subcommittee. "What is not legal is
when a company abuses its size or uses unfair tactics to shut out its
competitors or harm competition."
State prosecutors from California and Wisconsin testified that current
federal antitrust laws hinder prosecution for price gouging and
excessive concentration in the refining and retail oil and gas industry."
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/03/14/news/na tional/cac5cd1d8b24f5598725713100660cb4.txt
(written 2004) "Domestic refining and transportation costs account for
one-third of the price of a gallon of gasoline – costs that are largely
determined by the major oil companies operating in the United States.
This share of company costs tacked on to the price of gasoline has been
increasing. In November 2000, crude oil prices were at the same level
they are today (more than $36 per barrel), but retail gas prices today
($1.78 per gallon) are 17 percent higher than they were then ($1.55 per
gallon). Most of this difference has been realized in higher profits
from the new mega-companies that have merged since 2000.
The top five companies in America – ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco,
ConocoPhillips, BP-Amoco-Arco and Shell – now control half of all
domestic oil production, half of all domestic refinery capacity, and
nearly two-thirds of the retail market.
"The fact that a handful of companies control half of the domestic oil
production is particularly significant given that the United States is
the third largest oil producer in the world," Hauter said. "It’s no
wonder that the market leader, ExxonMobil, posted after-tax profits of
$21.5 billion in 2003. When you control the market, you can manipulate
the system to ensure enormous profits.""
http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1660
6) Lack of refinery capacity in the USA. The oil industry has not seen
fit to invest in increased refining capacity. Maybe Deej has some
insights here.
"Until the mid-1990s, the United States had significant spare refining
capacity. But because of consolidation in the industry, the number of
refineries declined while unprofitable operations were shut. As demand
grew, however, and capacity remained flat, the picture changed. In
recent years, refineries in the United States have been running at or
close to full capacity.
Domestic refineries can now process about 17.5 million barrels of crude
oil each day, much of it imported. But with consumption now close to
about 21 million barrels a day, more imports of refined products are
also needed.
In recent weeks, refiners point out that they have been increasing
output: gasoline production in the United States is at its highest level
ever, 8.85 million barrels a day.
Also, by increasing output from existing refineries, oil companies say
they have expanded their production by 200,000 barrels a day since last
year. Expansion of existing plants has added the equivalent of 10 new
refineries over the last 10 years.
The refining industry has also spent vast amounts — more than $50
billion in the last 10 years — to meet requirements to produce cleaner
fuels, according to the American Petroleum Institute, the industry’s
main trade group.
But demand is outstripping supply. In the first three quarters of the
year, gasoline use grew by 2 percent, nearly twice last year’s pace.
Domestically produced supplies, though, have increased by only 0.5
percent a year on average."
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200 70524/ZNYT01/705240315/1002/business
Consumer advocate Mark Cooper questioned at the House hearing whether
the industry may be keeping supplies tight on purpose.
"By creating a situation of extremely tight supply, the oil companies
gain control over price at the wholesale level," said Cooper, who
monitors energy industries at the Consumer Federation of America.
Despite huge increases in refinery profits, there have been no
investments in refinery capacity, he argued.
http://www.examiner.com/a-731938~Lawmakers_ask_whether_oil_i ndustry_investments_drive_up_prices.html
7) Refineries off line for maintenance. Take a bottleneck and squeeze
further, apparently that's the situation here. Oil companies say this is
not deliberate.
8) Complexity of refining different fuel blends.
9) Damage to infrastructure from Katrina and Rita.
9a) Aging infrastructure. Underfunded maintenance.
"BP Plc shut down a quarter of its 400,000 barrels-per-day Prudhoe Bay
oil field in Alaska after finding a leaky water pipe on Monday, a
company spokesman said.
BP workers shut down about 100,000 bpd of the field's production
after finding water leaking from a 12-inch pipeline inside a processing
facility that separates water from crude oil, said BP spokesman Ronnie
Chappell.
Fewer than 20 barrels of water were spilled and never escaped the
facility, Chappell said.
"We expect the facility to be down a few days while repairs are
made," he said.
U.S. Rep. Bart Stupak, who heads the investigations arm of the House
Energy and Commerce Committee, said the spill was a further sign that BP
cost cutting was to blame for the poor state of infrastructure at
Prudhoe Bay.
Stupak's subcommittee is probing a March 2006 oil spill at Prudhoe
Bay, the biggest U.S. oil field. Internal corrosion in a pipeline that
had been poorly maintained by BP was blamed for the spill, which dumped
at least 200,000 gallons of crude oil onto the tundra.
A criminal investigation into the spill has been under way since last
year. No charges have been laid.
Stupak has said that budget cuts at the London-based energy giant
were to blame for past incidents, and said he will continue to investigate.
"While I have not seen all the facts on this most recent leak, it
appears to be yet further evidence that BP's cost-cutting culture has
put our nation's economy at risk," he said.
At a hearing last week, BP America Chief Executive Bob Malone
conceded that "there were extreme budget pressures at Prudhoe Bay,"
which affected maintenance work.
BP operates Prudhoe Bay on behalf of its partners ConocoPhillips and
ExxonMobil Corp."
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=73940
10) Fear of competition from ethanol. Apparently some oil executives are
blaming oil industry foot dragging to increase refinery capacity on fear
of competition from the mention of ethanol in Bush's state of the union
speech in January. Or perhaps they are firing warning shots in an
attempt to fend off competition.
"In hearings before Congress last year, oil executives outlined plans to
increase fuel production by expanding existing refineries. Those plans
would add capacity of 1.6 million to 1.8 million barrels a day over the
next five years, for an increase of 10 percent, according to the
National Petrochemical and Refiners Association.
But those plans have since been scaled back to more than one million
barrels a day, according to the Energy Information Administration, an
arm of the federal government.
“If the national policy of the country is to push for dramatic increases
in the biofuels industry, this is a disincentive for those making
investment decisions on expanding capacity in oil products and
refining,” said John D. Hofmeister, the president of the Shell Oil
Company. “Industrywide, this will have an impact.”"
http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200 70524/ZNYT01/705240315/1002/business
11) This list goes to 11!
Bottom line, for a variety of reasons prices are going up and the oil
industry is very profitable right now.
"Oil companies today are enjoying record profits, and while they could
use those profits to invest in more production capacity, instead they
use the money to buy back shares in the markets," complained Rep. John
Conyers Jr., D-Mich., the panel's chairman.
Exxon Mobil Corp. and Chevron Corp., the nation's largest oil companies,
earned a combined $14 billion in the first quarter. Exxon bought Mobil
in 1999, while Chevron acquired Texaco in 2001."
http://www.grandhaventribune.com/paid/318406294137734.bsp
Hey, it could be a lucrative industry for your next IT job, Thad:
http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20070528/oilenergy01.sh tml
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> I see your point Thad, but the difference is when looking at the "record
> profits" side of this. I don't see Starbucks (for example) making record
> profit every quarter, though I'm not following them regularly - they are
> growing and doing quite well, as one would expect of a profitable business,
> but they also aren't raising prices every day because a tea leaf farmer in
> China got the 24-hour flu. They also add new products and services to
> entice customers, and run specials, promotions, etc. When is the last time
> you got a 2 for 1 coupon for gas in the mail? Never? Same here.
>
> If oil companies were reporting steady profits or a small loss here or there
> followed by a good quarter the next to balance it or better even, then fine,
> that's economics (doesn't mean I have to like the way they are going about
> it), but they aren't. Profits for the oil industry are in the trillions.
> Profits, not income. That means the cost of "water" for them is either
> going down, or they are just raising prices because consumers have no choice
> but to pay it. In most industries that's considered price gouging and
> monopolization (as an industry since there are "competing" companies that
> happen to be linked by a single oil-price fixing organization).
>
> Of course oil companies "have to" report a profit to keep investors happy,
> so it's really a shell game to improve profitability, not provide a service
> or product at a reasonable price over costs.
>
> Also take into account that Starbucks' retail outlets are actually making a
> profit on the tea they sell, and coffee, scones, etc. Local gas station
> owners aren't. They make most of their money on food and other goods. The
> only real loss the owner in the linked article really faced was not making
> up his cost in buying the gas to begin with. $3.48 in cost means these guys
> are making pennies at best - some may even take a loss to compete with other
> stations. The only reason to own a gas station is to sell cokes, candy, and
> snacks, not gas - gas is just a guaranteed customer magnet. Gasoline isn't
> a retail profit industry but a distributor/developer profit industry. Most
> retail markets have the greatest markup at the retailer, not before. The
> oil industry is one of the few that's the other way around. That's the
> difference between the oil industry and Starbucks, or (pick your favorite
> tea/coffee shop).
>
> Dedric
>
>
> On 5/25/07 7:56 AM, in article 4656eb0b$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've never quite understood the American rage at fuel prices. I'm finishing
>> off my first iced tea of the day, which is water plus leaves grown in a third
>> would country and shipped here. I pay $2.12 for a 16 ounce plastic cup of
>> it. Take out a nickel for the cup, a quarter for the tea (very generous),
>> and a dime for overhead and I'm paying 1.72 for water. That's not too far
>> off what bottled water costs. 128 ounces in a gallon, so I'm paying 13.75
>> for water. In addition this water is from naturally replenishing aquifers
>> relatively near me, and to turn it into drinkable water some minor filtering
>> and sterilizing has to happen.
>>
>> Compare that with gasoline. It has to be dug out of the ground using some
>> pretty wild technology, and depending on where it comes from it will need
>> either a great deal of refining (Saudi crude) or an unbelievable nearly magic
>> amount of refining (Canadian oil sands). Unlike water it's highly volatile,
>> so it needs all kinds of fancy equipment to keep it from blowing up at every
>> stage of the refining process. Then it has to be trucked or shipped around
>> in very specialized containers and stored in extremely expensive (and
>> regulated)
>> tanks before I can use it. And when I pull up to the pump in my '66
>> Thunderbird
>> I'm paying less than 4.00/gal for premium. Seems to me the gas should cost
>> more than the water.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>>
>>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>> did
>>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least someone
>>> is doing something.
>>>
>>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record profits
>>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
>> is
>>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it -
>>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>>
>>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation to
>>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
>> a
>>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just in
>> time
>>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits mean
>>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need to
>>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the hands
>>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
>> go
>>> bankrupt.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rant.
>>>
>>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>Speaking of movies, it should be mentioned that today is the 30th
anniversary of the release of Star Wars.
Brian
"Wireline" <brainless@goofball.edu> wrote in message
news:4656cde4$1@linux...
>
> I think I have to nominate "Cool Hand Luke" as one of the top 10 greatest
> flicks of all time...superlative writing, exceptional acting on everyone's
> part, some of the best music ever put to film, no special effects - just
> great a great plot played out by great actors...
>
> "Takin it down here, boss!"Don't know the guy, except by the evidence of his own words on this
forum, but on that basis I'd say you have him measured, right down to
the molecule.
-- Chas
On Fri, 25 May 2007 07:11:14 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:
>I was just going to take a deep breath and let this go, because your post is
>so full of defective logic that it would take a week to address each
>individual "point." But . . . being called stupid by an adult (assuming)
>with the reasoning ability of a 5-year-old was a little more than I could
>stand to let slide. The closing scene with my rotting corpse floating down
>the river, minus its "silly head," was icing on the cake, and a particularly
>bright passage, I must say. A little wishful thinking there?
>
>Yeah, we're all "damned lucky" you're not in charge. Unfortunately, the
>morons in who are in charge could not have stayed in power this long without
>the support of hateful, violent people who "think" like you.
>
>I worked for a long time in a state hospital for the mentally "challenged,"
>and it was always interesting to me how condescending
>retarded people can be. I think it's because they're not smart enough to
>know that they don't know, so when they can't comprehend what you're saying
>to them, they think you're the idiot.
>
>I'm saving your post so when I hear people say things like, "Holy crap, why
>is the world such an ugly, violent place?" I can say, "Well, here, read this
>. . . and then imagine how many millions of others are similarly limited."
>
>Go play now, James . . . this is big people talk.
>
>Sarah
>
>PS: My apologies to the other, more rational participants in this seemingly
>endless discussion. I usually refrain from personal attacks, but he pissed
>me off, and I gave in to a moment of weakness. Sorry. I'll shut up now. I
>think I've said enough on this particular topic anyway.
>
>PPS: Anybody know this McCloskey guy? Is he gonna rape me, beat me "with
>an inch" of my life, and cut my head off now? (No! No! Not the inch again!)
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4655f94e$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> There is always collateral damage in war. You can't put a price on
>> collateral
>> damage when it comes to war. This isn't patty cakes, it's war. There is
>> no way to make it clean, convenient, or palatable! So how could we have
>> removed Sadam, his sons and the whole Baath party from power with out
>> invading?
>> We couldn't have. Your thinking is hindsight and vary convenient.
>>
>> It was Muslims that declared war on the US in 1996! It was Muslims that
>> attacked us first. It's muslims that want a holy war. What about the
>> people
>> Sadam killed, possibly millions? Oh yeah, all those poor innocent people
>> in Guantanamo. I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
>> They're damned lucky I'm not in charge. As far as McCain goes he is a
>> weasel.
>> >
>> Of course they are decent people, and I guess we are not, right? We are
>> not making war. They started war in our country! They had no business
>> being
>> in our country. As far as their countries, we say that if they stop
>> fighting
>> and get along, we'll pull out and get the hell out of their countries.
>> What
>> do they do? They keep fighting to keep us there. They want us there.
>> They
>> keep us there. How can you be so sure that the people killed around Al
>> Qaeda
>> aren't giving aid and support to them. Yes our intelligence is always
>> wrong.
>> If we bomb a target of insurgents, it's going to turn out to be a wedding
>> party full of kids. That is so convenient for the left wing liberal
>> media!
>>
>> Who is killing the innocent in Iraq? You'd like to blame the US. That is
>> so convenient for you. Why don't Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents
>> count? What, is it inconvenient? Is it because it doesn't fit in to you
>> stupid liberal thinking? What about Al Qaeda? They kill their own at
>> will
>> and it's Ok. And it's the US that is wrong. It's the US thinking that is
>> wrong. It the US that asked for this by our policies. What a pile of
>> rotten,
>> stinking, bullshit!!!!!
>>
>> Since we are doing it all wrong, why don't you go over there and make sure
>> the right people get killed? They would catch you, rape you, beat you
>> with
>> an inch of your life, then they'd cut your silly head off on video tape,
>> and send your headless rotting corpse floating down the Tigress river,
>> that's
>> why not!
>>
>> It's you that doesn't get it!
>>
>> Al Qaeda is in Iraq!!! Where should it be dealt with?
>>
>OK, I'll guess.... The bike!
Out here in the middle of nowhere, it's drive not at all (work at
home) or 25 miles to the nearest town. Got an 02 Jetta Wagon last
summer -- a TDI diesel. Terrific car. Gets over 40 MPG -- on
biodiesel. No petroleum necessary, no conversion, nada. Just put the
stuff in and go. 550 miles to the tank. $3.05 a gallon. Technology
has been around for a hundred years.
With all the problems we have in the world today due to our dependence
on oil, it's more than a little bit mind-boggling that more people
haven't gotten around to this... There's nothing to develop, no big
invention to prove out, no "breakthrough" to wait for: the vehicles
exist and so does the fuel... What in the hell is it going to take?
-- see you on the road -- chas.
On Fri, 25 May 2007 07:35:44 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I have been affecting change in my own way to some degree, and having fun
>while doing it. It takes almost $50 to fill my jap car, and that is NUTS. My
>bike, on the other hand will run over a 100 miles on about $7. Which one do
>you think I drive daily when weather permits?
>
>AA
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C27BD82F.A11A%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>
>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>> did
>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least
>> someone
>> is doing something.
>>
>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record
>> profits
>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
>> is
>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it -
>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>
>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation to
>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after* a
>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just in
>> time
>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>> solution.
>>
>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits mean
>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need to
>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the
>> hands
>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them go
>> bankrupt.
>>
>> Sorry for the rant.
>>
>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>
>>
>I saw that...made me feel old(er), as it seems like just yesterday I went
to the drive in to see tht flick...
Yes, a real (reel?) drive in...
"Brian Porick" <brianporick@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Speaking of movies, it should be mentioned that today is the 30th
>anniversary of the release of Star Wars.
>
>Brian
>
>
>"Wireline" <brainless@goofball.edu> wrote in message
>news:4656cde4$1@linux...
>>
>> I think I have to nominate "Cool Hand Luke" as one of the top 10 greatest
>> flicks of all time...superlative writing, exceptional acting on everyone's
>> part, some of the best music ever put to film, no special effects - just
>> great a great plot played out by great actors...
>>
>> "Takin it down here, boss!"
>
>Wow, where do you buy biodiesel? Sounds really cool!
Chuck
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>
>OK, I'll guess.... The bike!
>
>Out here in the middle of nowhere, it's drive not at all (work at
>home) or 25 miles to the nearest town. Got an 02 Jetta Wagon last
>summer -- a TDI diesel. Terrific car. Gets over 40 MPG -- on
>biodiesel. No petroleum necessary, no conversion, nada. Just put the
>stuff in and go. 550 miles to the tank. $3.05 a gallon. Technology
>has been around for a hundred years.
>
>With all the problems we have in the world today due to our dependence
>on oil, it's more than a little bit mind-boggling that more people
>haven't gotten around to this... There's nothing to develop, no big
>invention to prove out, no "breakthrough" to wait for: the vehicles
>exist and so does the fuel... What in the hell is it going to take?
>
>-- see you on the road -- chas.
>
>
>
>On Fri, 25 May 2007 07:35:44 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
><know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>I have been affecting change in my own way to some degree, and having fun
>>while doing it. It takes almost $50 to fill my jap car, and that is NUTS.
My
>>bike, on the other hand will run over a 100 miles on about $7. Which one
do
>>you think I drive daily when weather permits?
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>news:C27BD82F.A11A%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>>
>>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>>> did
>>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least
>>> someone
>>> is doing something.
>>>
>>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record
>>> profits
>>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
>>> is
>>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it
-
>>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>>
>>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation
to
>>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
a
>>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just
in
>>> time
>>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits
mean
>>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need
to
>>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the
>>> hands
>>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
go
>>> bankrupt.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rant.
>>>
>>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>Brandon - That was a long time ago, and I don't remember
specifically what kind of processing it had (and I'm a horrible
note-taker in the studio... unless it's something I'm doing
that's way out of the ordinary, I always figure I can get "that"
sound again or close enough to it just by ear, if I ever need
to). That said, if you listen to it, you can tell it's pretty
much what I outlined earier in the thread... some compression,
but not a ton, some plate-ish 'verb with the early reflections
& predelay minimized, and that's really it.
Neil
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>Neil,
>
>That guitar sounds nice man.
>Very much what I am looking to emulate.
>What kinda processing was done on it.
>Just limiting,EQ,Verb?
>What processors?
>I like the punch it has in the low end.
>It is natural but has a punch to it ...but soesn't
>really sound compressed.
>At least on my computer speakers.
>
>--=20
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon=20
>
>
> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:465653d5$1@linux...
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> >All very good suggestions. I would also find a track by someone else=20
> >that you really like and try to match it with EQ and verb, etc.
>
> Like maybe THIS one....? :D
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/2B-LCclip.mp3
>
> (recorded this around '90-'91... classical guitar comes in at
> about 30 seconds in - I guess I coulda cut it down some, but
> the intro's nice to listen to :) - I don't think the guys who
> were in this band would mind if I posted a short clip. IIRC,
> this was Fernadez classical mic'ed with a U87 & a 451 as I
> described earlier. It's a hi-rez mp3 file, and if you have good
> monitors you should even be able to hear some click track
> headphone leakage (thanks to those crap AKG baffled cans we
> were using).
>
> Neil
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Neil,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>That guitar sounds nice man.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Very much what I am looking to =
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What kinda processing was done on =
>it.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Just limiting,EQ,Verb?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What processors?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I like the punch it has in the low =
>end.</FONT></DIV>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>At least on my computer speakers.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
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><DIV>Brandon </DIV>
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> in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:465653d5$1@linux">news:465653d5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Bill=
> L=20
> <<A =
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> wrote:<BR>>All very good suggestions. I would also find a track by =
>someone=20
> else <BR>>that you really like and try to match it with EQ and =
>verb,=20
> etc.<BR><BR>Like maybe THIS one....? :D<BR><BR><A=20
> =
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>records.com/MiscAudio/2B-LCclip.mp3</A><BR><BR>(recorded=20
> this around '90-'91... classical guitar comes in at<BR>about 30 =
>seconds in - I=20
> guess I coulda cut it down some, but<BR>the intro's nice to listen to
=
>:) - I=20
> don't think the guys who<BR>were in this band would mind if I posted a
=
>short=20
> clip. IIRC,<BR>this was Fernadez classical mic'ed with a U87 & a =
>451 as=20
> I<BR>described earlier. It's a hi-rez mp3 file, and if you have=20
> good<BR>monitors you should even be able to hear some click =
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>
>Yes, a very good movie. Not as good as spider man three mind you, but still
worthwhile. I remember dissecting this movie in class when I was 19. Great
conversation about flawed heros. Some days I wake up looking for the bandage
on my nose.
Chuck
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>On any given day those two have a good shot at my top ten list.
>
>I recently watched Chinatown again, that's another strong contender.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Bill L wrote:
>> Loved it!
>>
>> Another good one in the same vein, "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest".
>>
>> Wireline wrote:
>>> I think I have to nominate "Cool Hand Luke" as one of the top 10 greatest
>>> flicks of all time...superlative writing, exceptional acting on
>>> everyone's
>>> part, some of the best music ever put to film, no special effects - just
>>> great a great plot played out by great actors...
>>>
>>> "Takin it down here, boss!"chuck duffy wrote:
> Well, I for one am incredibly pissed. A couple of years ago I saw the writing
> on the wall and at considerable expense converted my cars engine to run on
> whole milk. Have you guys seen the price of a gallon of milk lately?
>
> Chuck
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>
>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
> did
>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least someone
>> is doing something.
>>
>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record profits
>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
> is
>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it -
>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>
>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation to
>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
> a
>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just in
> time
>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>> solution.
>>
>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits mean
>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need to
>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the hands
>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
> go
>> bankrupt.
>>
>> Sorry for the rant.
>>
>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>
>>
>
Converted mine to run on urine...have you seen the price of beer latelyDon't forget to check out www.kfocus.com/cubase and turn on you adblocker"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
I don't know what you're so upset about.
>floating down the Tigress river,
Has always seemed a good place for you. They should leave you alive
though and maybe even give you a guitar...
Just stay away from that Youfraytees though, I hear it's dangerous...
snork...
DCHi PC /Mac Gurus.. How do and what are the major symptoms of failing Memory
in a workstation.. ThanksI said your liberal thinking was stupid, but it's Ok, take it anyway you want
to. I guess radical muslins are not hateful, violent people? It's only
the US that is wrong. right? Will we deserve it when the take out one of
our cities? If it is your city they pick will it be Ok?
It's the insurgents and Al Qaeda that are intentionally killing innocent
people in Iraq, not the US. It's a war, there are going to be casualties.
Casualties are unfortunate. Do you believe in killing? How about when
it's convenient? DO YOU BELIEVE IN ABORTION? Do you conveniently put a
title on it and make excuses for killing like, a women's right to choose?
It's still human, it's still alive, it's still killing! Is that Ok? From
what I've read, around 47 million babies have been killed by abortion in
the US over the years, is that Ok?
Do you think your freedom here in America was won with out blood shed? If
you do, I have a special announcement, Your freedom was won at the end of
a gun barrel. I'll bet your anti gun to. It's funny how liberals do not
want honest decent law abiding citizens to have guns, but the liberals will
be the first to defend criminals, and get laws legislated for criminals rights.
Kind of like you advocating for all of those nice peaceful innocent people
in Guantanamo. I think your thinking is a bit mixed up. The US has maid
a lot of mistakes, but we, the US are not the bad guys!
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>I was just going to take a deep breath and let this go, because your post
is
>so full of defective logic that it would take a week to address each
>individual "point." But . . . being called stupid by an adult (assuming)
>with the reasoning ability of a 5-year-old was a little more than I could
>stand to let slide. The closing scene with my rotting corpse floating down
>the river, minus its "silly head," was icing on the cake, and a particularly
>bright passage, I must say. A little wishful thinking there?
>
>Yeah, we're all "damned lucky" you're not in charge. Unfortunately, the
>morons in who are in charge could not have stayed in power this long without
>the support of hateful, violent people who "think" like you.
>
>I worked for a long time in a state hospital for the mentally "challenged,"
>and it was always interesting to me how condescending
>retarded people can be. I think it's because they're not smart enough to
>know that they don't know, so when they can't comprehend what you're saying
>to them, they think you're the idiot.
>
>I'm saving your post so when I hear people say things like, "Holy crap,
why
>is the world such an ugly, violent place?" I can say, "Well, here, read
this
>. . . and then imagine how many millions of others are similarly limited."
>
>Go play now, James . . . this is big people talk.
>
>Sarah
>
>PS: My apologies to the other, more rational participants in this seemingly
>endless discussion. I usually refrain from personal attacks, but he pissed
>me off, and I gave in to a moment of weakness. Sorry. I'll shut up now.
I
>think I've said enough on this particular topic anyway.
>
>PPS: Anybody know this McCloskey guy? Is he gonna rape me, beat me "with
>an inch" of my life, and cut my head off now? (No! No! Not the inch again!)
>
>"James McCloskey" <
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removed Sadam, his sons and the whole Baath party from power with out
>> invading?
>> We couldn't have. Your thinking is hindsight and vary convenient.
>>
>> It was Muslims that declared war on the US in 1996! It was Muslims that
>> attacked us first. It's muslims that want a holy war. What about the
>> people
>> Sadam killed, possibly millions? Oh yeah, all those poor innocent people
>> in Guantanamo. I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
>> They're damned lucky I'm not in charge. As far as McCain goes he is
a
>> weasel.
>> >
>> Of course they are decent people, and I guess we are not, right? We
are
>> not making war. They started war in our country! They had no business
>> being
>> in our country. As far as their countries, we say that if they stop
>> fighting
>> and get along, we'll pull out and get the hell out of their countries.
>> What
>> do they do? They keep fighting to keep us there. They want us there.
>> They
>> keep us there. How can you be so sure that the people killed around Al
>> Qaeda
>> aren't giving aid and support to them. Yes our intelligence is always
>> wrong.
>> If we bomb a target of insurgents, it's going to turn out to be a wedding
>> party full of kids. That is so convenient for the left wing liberal
>> media!
>>
>> Who is killing the innocent in Iraq? You'd like to blame the US. That
is
>> so convenient for you. Why don't Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents
>> count? What, is it inconvenient? Is it because it doesn't fit in to
you
>> stupid liberal thinking? What about Al Qaeda? They kill their own at
>> will
>> and it's Ok. And it's the US that is wrong. It's the US thinking that
is
>> wrong. It the US that asked for this by our policies. What a pile of
>> rotten,
>> stinking, bullshit!!!!!
>>
>> Since we are doing it all wrong, why don't you go over there and make
sure
>> the right people get killed? They would catch you, rape you, beat you
>> with
>> an inch of your life, then they'd cut your silly head off on video tape,
>> and send your headless rotting corpse floating down the Tigress river,
>> that's
>> why not!
>>
>> It's you that doesn't get it!
>>
>> Al Qaeda is in Iraq!!! Where should it be dealt with?
>>
>
>That's some impressive research Jamie - thanks for posting.
Regards,
Dedric
Btw - I'm converting my cars to run on air. Have you seen the price of
tacky air fresheners lately? ;-)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46570dec@linux...
>
> I turn on the tap and get water. It doesn't cost anything like 1.72/gal.
> It's at least several orders of magnitude less expensive than that.
> Whatever you're paying for in your tea product, Thad, it's not the water,
> primarily.
>
> Gas prices are destined to rise for several reasons.
>
> 1) There is only so much oil. Google "peak oil."
>
>
> 2) Rising worldwide demand. For example, growing economies in China and
> India are becoming big consumers.
>
>
> 3) Rising US demand. Energy policy here has been generally shortsighted
> over the last quarter century, at least, from the leadership down to the
> consumer level.
>
> For example, by now we could have had MUCH more efficient vehicles on
> average, but we don't.
>
> Meanwhile the population is growing. So we merrily burn up record amounts
> of petroleum products. Blame goes to leadership; the domestic car/truck
> industry; and consumers.
>
>
> 4) OPEC. 2/3 of the world's reserves and 40+% of production.
>
>
> 5) Consolidation in the oil industry. There is less competition. (Blamers,
> you may blame both Clinton and Bush.) It's easier to keep prices high when
> there are fewer major players involved.
>
> Whether there is direct collusion is difficult to prove, the FTC who
> regulates and allows the current state of consolidation is very defensive
> about it, but their figures don't jive with the GAO's. The GAO sees
> evidence that mergers have helped drive up gasoline prices at the pump.
>
> "In 2004, the five largest refiners controlled 56 percent of the gasoline
> refined in the United States and the 10 top companies controlled 85
> percent, according to a study by Public Citizen, a private advocacy group.
>
> Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he hopes to soon
> consider legislation to strengthen antitrust laws on oil company mergers
> to allow closer scrutiny of their impact on competition..
>
> The legislation also would make it illegal for companies to hold back
> refining crude oil -- or diverting or exporting refined products such as
> gasoline -- when supplies are short in a region in order to hold up
> prices. Some refiners in the past have been accused of diverting supplies
> despite supply shortages in a region.
>
> "It isn't illegal just to be big," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, chairman
> of the Judiciary antitrust subcommittee. "What is not legal is when a
> company abuses its size or uses unfair tactics to shut out its competitors
> or harm competition."
>
> State prosecutors from California and Wisconsin testified that current
> federal antitrust laws hinder prosecution for price gouging and excessive
> concentration in the refining and retail oil and gas industry."
>
> http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/03/14/news/na tional/cac5cd1d8b24f5598725713100660cb4.txt
>
> (written 2004) "Domestic refining and transportation costs account for
> one-third of the price of a gallon of gasoline – costs that are largely
> determined by the major oil companies operating in the United States. This
> share of company costs tacked on to the price of gasoline has been
> increasing. In November 2000, crude oil prices were at the same level they
> are today (more than $36 per barrel), but retail gas prices today ($1.78
> per gallon) are 17 percent higher than they were then ($1.55 per gallon).
> Most of this difference has been realized in higher profits from the new
> mega-companies that have merged since 2000.
>
> The top five companies in America – ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco,
> ConocoPhillips, BP-Amoco-Arco and Shell – now control half of all domestic
> oil production, half of all domestic refinery capacity, and nearly
> two-thirds of the retail market.
>
> "The fact that a handful of companies control half of the domestic oil
> production is particularly significant given that the United States is the
> third largest oil producer in the world," Hauter said. "It’s no wonder
> that the market leader, ExxonMobil, posted after-tax profits of $21.5
> billion in 2003. When you control the market, you can manipulate the
> system to ensure enormous profits.""
>
> http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1660
>
>
> 6) Lack of refinery capacity in the USA. The oil industry has not seen fit
> to invest in increased refining capacity. Maybe Deej has some insights
> here.
>
> "Until the mid-1990s, the United States had significant spare refining
> capacity. But because of consolidation in the industry, the number of
> refineries declined while unprofitable operations were shut. As demand
> grew, however, and capacity remained flat, the picture changed. In recent
> years, refineries in the United States have been running at or close to
> full capacity.
>
> Domestic refineries can now process about 17.5 million barrels of crude
> oil each day, much of it imported. But with consumption now close to about
> 21 million barrels a day, more imports of refined products are also
> needed.
>
> In recent weeks, refiners point out that they have been increasing output:
> gasoline production in the United States is at its highest level ever,
> 8.85 million barrels a day.
>
> Also, by increasing output from existing refineries, oil companies say
> they have expanded their production by 200,000 barrels a day since last
> year. Expansion of existing plants has added the equivalent of 10 new
> refineries over the last 10 years.
>
> The refining industry has also spent vast amounts — more than $50 billion
> in the last 10 years — to meet requirements to produce cleaner fuels,
> according to the American Petroleum Institute, the industry’s main trade
> group.
>
> But demand is outstripping supply. In the first three quarters of the
> year, gasoline use grew by 2 percent, nearly twice last year’s pace.
> Domestically produced supplies, though, have increased by only 0.5 percent
> a year on average."
>
> http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200 70524/ZNYT01/705240315/1002/business
>
> Consumer advocate Mark Cooper questioned at the House hearing whether the
> industry may be keeping supplies tight on purpose.
>
> "By creating a situation of extremely tight supply, the oil companies gain
> control over price at the wholesale level," said Cooper, who monitors
> energy industries at the Consumer Federation of America. Despite huge
> increases in refinery profits, there have been no investments in refinery
> capacity, he argued.
>
> http://www.examiner.com/a-731938~Lawmakers_ask_whether_oil_i ndustry_investments_drive_up_prices.html
>
>
> 7) Refineries off line for maintenance. Take a bottleneck and squeeze
> further, apparently that's the situation here. Oil companies say this is
> not deliberate.
>
>
> 8) Complexity of refining different fuel blends.
>
>
> 9) Damage to infrastructure from Katrina and Rita.
>
>
> 9a) Aging infrastructure. Underfunded maintenance.
>
> "BP Plc shut down a quarter of its 400,000 barrels-per-day Prudhoe Bay oil
> field in Alaska after finding a leaky water pipe on Monday, a company
> spokesman said.
>
> BP workers shut down about 100,000 bpd of the field's production after
> finding water leaking from a 12-inch pipeline inside a processing facility
> that separates water from crude oil, said BP spokesman Ronnie Chappell.
>
> Fewer than 20 barrels of water were spilled and never escaped the
> facility, Chappell said.
>
> "We expect the facility to be down a few days while repairs are made,"
> he said.
>
> U.S. Rep. Bart Stupak, who heads the investigations arm of the House
> Energy and Commerce Committee, said the spill was a further sign that BP
> cost cutting was to blame for the poor state of infrastructure at Prudhoe
> Bay.
>
> Stupak's subcommittee is probing a March 2006 oil spill at Prudhoe Bay,
> the biggest U.S. oil field. Internal corrosion in a pipeline that had been
> poorly maintained by BP was blamed for the spill, which dumped at least
> 200,000 gallons of crude oil onto the tundra.
>
> A criminal investigation into the spill has been under way since last
> year. No charges have been laid.
>
> Stupak has said that budget cuts at the London-based energy giant were
> to blame for past incidents, and said he will continue to investigate.
>
> "While I have not seen all the facts on this most recent leak, it
> appears to be yet further evidence that BP's cost-cutting culture has put
> our nation's economy at risk," he said.
>
> At a hearing last week, BP America Chief Executive Bob Malone conceded
> that "there were extreme budget pressures at Prudhoe Bay," which affected
> maintenance work.
>
> BP operates Prudhoe Bay on behalf of its partners ConocoPhillips and
> ExxonMobil Corp."
>
> http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=73940
>
>
> 10) Fear of competition from ethanol. Apparently some oil executives are
> blaming oil industry foot dragging to increase refinery capacity on fear
> of competition from the mention of ethanol in Bush's state of the union
> speech in January. Or perhaps they are firing warning shots in an attempt
> to fend off competition.
>
> "In hearings before Congress last year, oil executives outlined plans to
> increase fuel production by expanding existing refineries. Those plans
> would add capacity of 1.6 million to 1.8 million barrels a day over the
> next five years, for an increase of 10 percent, according to the National
> Petrochemical and Refiners Association.
>
> But those plans have since been scaled back to more than one million
> barrels a day, according to the Energy Information Administration, an arm
> of the federal government.
>
> “If the national policy of the country is to push for dramatic increases
> in the biofuels industry, this is a disincentive for those making
> investment decisions on expanding capacity in oil products and refining,”
> said John D. Hofmeister, the president of the Shell Oil Company.
> “Industrywide, this will have an impact.”"
>
> http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200 70524/ZNYT01/705240315/1002/business
>
>
> 11) This list goes to 11!
>
>
> Bottom line, for a variety of reasons prices are going up and the oil
> industry is very profitable right now.
>
> "Oil companies today are enjoying record profits, and while they could use
> those profits to invest in more production capacity, instead they use the
> money to buy back shares in the markets," complained Rep. John Conyers
> Jr., D-Mich., the panel's chairman.
>
> Exxon Mobil Corp. and Chevron Corp., the nation's largest oil companies,
> earned a combined $14 billion in the first quarter. Exxon bought Mobil in
> 1999, while Chevron acquired Texaco in 2001."
>
> http://www.grandhaventribune.com/paid/318406294137734.bsp
>
>
> Hey, it could be a lucrative industry for your next IT job, Thad:
>
> http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20070528/oilenergy01.sh tml
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> I see your point Thad, but the difference is when looking at the "record
>> profits" side of this. I don't see Starbucks (for example) making record
>> profit every quarter, though I'm not following them regularly - they are
>> growing and doing quite well, as one would expect of a profitable
>> business,
>> but they also aren't raising prices every day because a tea leaf farmer
>> in
>> China got the 24-hour flu. They also add new products and services to
>> entice customers, and run specials, promotions, etc. When is the last
>> time
>> you got a 2 for 1 coupon for gas in the mail? Never? Same here.
>>
>> If oil companies were reporting steady profits or a small loss here or
>> there
>> followed by a good quarter the next to balance it or better even, then
>> fine,
>> that's economics (doesn't mean I have to like the way they are going
>> about
>> it), but they aren't. Profits for the oil industry are in the trillions.
>> Profits, not income. That means the cost of "water" for them is either
>> going down, or they are just raising prices because consumers have no
>> choice
>> but to pay it. In most industries that's considered price gouging and
>> monopolization (as an industry since there are "competing" companies that
>> happen to be linked by a single oil-price fixing organization).
>>
>> Of course oil companies "have to" report a profit to keep investors
>> happy,
>> so it's really a shell game to improve profitability, not provide a
>> service
>> or product at a reasonable price over costs.
>>
>> Also take into account that Starbucks' retail outlets are actually making
>> a
>> profit on the tea they sell, and coffee, scones, etc. Local gas station
>> owners aren't. They make most of their money on food and other goods.
>> The
>> only real loss the owner in the linked article really faced was not
>> making
>> up his cost in buying the gas to begin with. $3.48 in cost means these
>> guys
>> are making pennies at best - some may even take a loss to compete with
>> other
>> stations. The only reason to own a gas station is to sell cokes, candy,
>> and
>> snacks, not gas - gas is just a guaranteed customer magnet. Gasoline
>> isn't
>> a retail profit industry but a distributor/developer profit industry.
>> Most
>> retail markets have the greatest markup at the retailer, not before. The
>> oil industry is one of the few that's the other way around. That's the
>> difference between the oil industry and Starbucks, or (pick your favorite
>> tea/coffee shop).
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>> On 5/25/07 7:56 AM, in article 4656eb0b$1@linux, "TCB"
>> <nobody@ishere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've never quite understood the American rage at fuel prices. I'm
>>> finishing
>>> off my first iced tea of the day, which is water plus leaves grown in a
>>> third
>>> would country and shipped here. I pay $2.12 for a 16 ounce plastic cup
>>> of
>>> it. Take out a nickel for the cup, a quarter for the tea (very
>>> generous),
>>> and a dime for overhead and I'm paying 1.72 for water. That's not too
>>> far
>>> off what bottled water costs. 128 ounces in a gallon, so I'm paying
>>> 13.75
>>> for water. In addition this water is from naturally replenishing
>>> aquifers
>>> relatively near me, and to turn it into drinkable water some minor
>>> filtering
>>> and sterilizing has to happen.
>>>
>>> Compare that with gasoline. It has to be dug out of the ground using
>>> some
>>> pretty wild technology, and depending on where it comes from it will
>>> need
>>> either a great deal of refining (Saudi crude) or an unbelievable nearly
>>> magic
>>> amount of refining (Canadian oil sands). Unlike water it's highly
>>> volatile,
>>> so it needs all kinds of fancy equipment to keep it from blowing up at
>>> every
>>> stage of the refining process. Then it has to be trucked or shipped
>>> around
>>> in very specialized containers and stored in extremely expensive (and
>>> regulated)
>>> tanks before I can use it. And when I pull up to the pump in my '66
>>> Thunderbird
>>> I'm paying less than 4.00/gal for premium. Seems to me the gas should
>>> cost
>>> more than the water.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>>>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>>>
>>>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>>> did
>>>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least
>>>> someone
>>>> is doing something.
>>>>
>>>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record
>>>> profits
>>>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with
>>>> it...yeah,
>>>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell
>>>> game
>>> is
>>>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for
>>>> it -
>>>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>>>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>>>
>>>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation
>>>> to
>>>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
>>> a
>>>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just in
>>> time
>>>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>>>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad
>>>> anymore
>>>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>>>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an
>>>> alternative
>>>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale),
>>>> even
>>>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits
>>>> mean
>>>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>>>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need
>>>> to
>>>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the
>>>> hands
>>>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
>>> go
>>>> bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the rant.
>>>>
>>>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>>>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>The machine won't start up, or it will lock up on start up. It can also
just give you buggy performance. Check to see if the machine registers the
amount of memory you have in it.
Switch and pull. Good luck!
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi PC /Mac Gurus.. How do and what are the major symptoms of failing Memory
>in a workstation.. ThanksDon,
Holy shit, hahaha. If we can't figure out a way to make cars run on urine
then I don't think we should be allowed to continue as a species. Talk about
renewable resource! Think of the endless possibilities for 'filling station'
gags.
Chuck
Don Nafe <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>chuck duffy wrote:
>> Well, I for one am incredibly pissed. A couple of years ago I saw the
writing
>> on the wall and at considerable expense converted my cars engine to run
on
>> whole milk. Have you guys seen the price of a gallon of milk lately?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>>
>>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>> did
>>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least someone
>>> is doing something.
>>>
>>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record profits
>>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
>> is
>>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it
-
>>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>>
>>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation
to
>>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
>> a
>>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just
in
>> time
>>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits
mean
>>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need
to
>>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the
hands
>>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
>> go
>>> bankrupt.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the rant.
>>>
>>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>Converted mine to run on urine...have you seen the price of beer latelyIt's all over the place on this coast -- from San Diego to Seattle,
first at specialty fuel places, and now more and more at regular "gas
stations..." I get it in two different pumps in this county (central
coast of CA). There's a big independent fuel retailer in the cities
(maybe national, I don't know) called USA -- that has 100% biodiesel
at the pump, right next to the regular petro-diesel, unleaded gas,
etc. Others are doing the same. The number of retailers is growing
exponentially -- it was harder to find a year ago than now, and next
year it will be still easier to find...
Also -- for the geek inclined -- it is incredibly easy to brew your
own, from any number of local sources (used cooking oil, etc.) -- do
a little google searching and see what happens...
Maybe I'll get busy later and post a few links, but it's really very
easy to find info about this stuff...
-- Chas.
On 26 May 2007 03:25:10 +1000, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Wow, where do you buy biodiesel? Sounds really cool!
>
>Chuck
>
>
>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>
>>OK, I'll guess.... The bike!
>>
>>Out here in the middle of nowhere, it's drive not at all (work at
>>home) or 25 miles to the nearest town. Got an 02 Jetta Wagon last
>>summer -- a TDI diesel. Terrific car. Gets over 40 MPG -- on
>>biodiesel. No petroleum necessary, no conversion, nada. Just put the
>>stuff in and go. 550 miles to the tank. $3.05 a gallon. Technology
>>has been around for a hundred years.
>>
>>With all the problems we have in the world today due to our dependence
>>on oil, it's more than a little bit mind-boggling that more people
>>haven't gotten around to this... There's nothing to develop, no big
>>invention to prove out, no "breakthrough" to wait for: the vehicles
>>exist and so does the fuel... What in the hell is it going to take?
>>
>>-- see you on the road -- chas.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 25 May 2007 07:35:44 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
>><know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>
>>>I have been affecting change in my own way to some degree, and having fun
>
>>>while doing it. It takes almost $50 to fill my jap car, and that is NUTS.
>My
>>>bike, on the other hand will run over a 100 miles on about $7. Which one
>do
>>>you think I drive daily when weather permits?
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>news:C27BD82F.A11A%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>
>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>>>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>>>
>>>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>
>>>> did
>>>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least
>>>> someone
>>>> is doing something.
>>>>
>>>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record
>>>> profits
>>>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>>>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell game
>
>>>> is
>>>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for it
>-
>>>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>>>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>>>
>>>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation
>to
>>>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
>a
>>>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just
>in
>>>> time
>>>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country into
>>>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>>>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>>>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>>>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale), even
>>>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits
>mean
>>>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>>>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need
>to
>>>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the
>
>>>> hands
>>>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of them
>go
>>>> bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the rant.
>>>>
>>>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say, oil
>>>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>Hi James,
Now that you are winding down, re-visiting, and re-casting your own words,
take a moment to calm down and consider what Sarah found objectionable in
your post. It's the human thing to do.
Chuck
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I said your liberal thinking was stupid, but it's Ok, take it anyway you
want
>to. I guess radical muslins are not hateful, violent people? It's only
>the US that is wrong. right? Will we deserve it when the take out one of
>our cities? If it is your city they pick will it be Ok?
>
>It's the insurgents and Al Qaeda that are intentionally killing innocent
>people in Iraq, not the US. It's a war, there are going to be casualties.
> Casualties are unfortunate. Do you believe in killing? How about when
>it's convenient? DO YOU BELIEVE IN ABORTION? Do you conveniently put a
>title on it and make excuses for killing like, a women's right to choose?
> It's still human, it's still alive, it's still killing! Is that Ok? From
>what I've read, around 47 million babies have been killed by abortion in
>the US over the years, is that Ok?
>
>
>Do you think your freedom here in America was won with out blood shed?
If
>you do, I have a special announcement, Your freedom was won at the end of
>a gun barrel. I'll bet your anti gun to. It's funny how liberals do not
>want honest decent law abiding citizens to have guns, but the liberals will
>be the first to defend criminals, and get laws legislated for criminals
rights.
> Kind of like you advocating for all of those nice peaceful innocent people
>in Guantanamo. I think your thinking is a bit mixed up. The US has maid
>a lot of mistakes, but we, the US are not the bad guys!
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>I was just going to take a deep breath and let this go, because your post
>is
>>so full of defective logic that it would take a week to address each
>>individual "point." But . . . being called stupid by an adult (assuming)
>
>>with the reasoning ability of a 5-year-old was a little more than I could
>
>>stand to let slide. The closing scene with my rotting corpse floating
down
>
>>the river, minus its "silly head," was icing on the cake, and a particularly
>
>>bright passage, I must say. A little wishful thinking there?
>>
>>Yeah, we're all "damned lucky" you're not in charge. Unfortunately, the
>
>>morons in who are in charge could not have stayed in power this long without
>
>>the support of hateful, violent people who "think" like you.
>>
>>I worked for a long time in a state hospital for the mentally "challenged,"
>
>>and it was always interesting to me how condescending
>>retarded people can be. I think it's because they're not smart enough
to
>
>>know that they don't know, so when they can't comprehend what you're saying
>
>>to them, they think you're the idiot.
>>
>>I'm saving your post so when I hear people say things like, "Holy crap,
>why
>>is the world such an ugly, violent place?" I can say, "Well, here, read
>this
>>. . . and then imagine how many millions of others are similarly limited."
>>
>>Go play now, James . . . this is big people talk.
>>
>>Sarah
>>
>>PS: My apologies to the other, more rational participants in this seemingly
>
>>endless discussion. I usually refrain from personal attacks, but he pissed
>
>>me off, and I gave in to a moment of weakness. Sorry. I'll shut up now.
> I
>>think I've said enough on this particular topic anyway.
>>
>>PPS: Anybody know this McCloskey guy? Is he gonna rape me, beat me "with
>
>>an inch" of my life, and cut my head off now? (No! No! Not the inch again!)
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4655f94e$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> There is always collateral damage in war. You can't put a price on
>>> collateral
>>> damage when it comes to war. This isn't patty cakes, it's war. There
>is
>>> no way to make it clean, convenient, or palatable! So how could we
have
>>> removed Sadam, his sons and the whole Baath party from power with out
>
>>> invading?
>>> We couldn't have. Your thinking is hindsight and vary convenient.
>>>
>>> It was Muslims that declared war on the US in 1996! It was Muslims that
>>> attacked us first. It's muslims that want a holy war. What about the
>
>>> people
>>> Sadam killed, possibly millions? Oh yeah, all those poor innocent people
>>> in Guantanamo. I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
>>> They're damned lucky I'm not in charge. As far as McCain goes he is
>a
>>> weasel.
>>> >
>>> Of course they are decent people, and I guess we are not, right? We
>are
>>> not making war. They started war in our country! They had no business
>
>>> being
>>> in our country. As far as their countries, we say that if they stop
>>> fighting
>>> and get along, we'll pull out and get the hell out of their countries.
>
>>> What
>>> do they do? They keep fighting to keep us there. They want us there.
>
>>> They
>>> keep us there. How can you be so sure that the people killed around
Al
>
>>> Qaeda
>>> aren't giving aid and support to them. Yes our intelligence is always
>
>>> wrong.
>>> If we bomb a target of insurgents, it's going to turn out to be a wedding
>>> party full of kids. That is so convenient for the left wing liberal
>>> media!
>>>
>>> Who is killing the innocent in Iraq? You'd like to blame the US. That
>is
>>> so convenient for you. Why don't Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents
>>> count? What, is it inconvenient? Is it because it doesn't fit in to
>you
>>> stupid liberal thinking? What about Al Qaeda? They kill their own at
>
>>> will
>>> and it's Ok. And it's the US that is wrong. It's the US thinking that
>is
>>> wrong. It the US that asked for this by our policies. What a pile of
>
>>> rotten,
>>> stinking, bullshit!!!!!
>>>
>>> Since we are doing it all wrong, why don't you go over there and make
>sure
>>> the right people get killed? They would catch you, rape you, beat you
>
>>> with
>>> an inch of your life, then they'd cut your silly head off on video tape,
>>> and send your headless rotting corpse floating down the Tigress river,
>
>>> that's
>>> why not!
>>>
>>> It's you that doesn't get it!
>>>
>>> Al Qaeda is in Iraq!!! Where should it be dealt with?
>>>
>>
>>
>Wow, that is really cool. I'll be googling shortly. Thanks for the info.
Chuck
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>
>It's all over the place on this coast -- from San Diego to Seattle,
>first at specialty fuel places, and now more and more at regular "gas
>stations..." I get it in two different pumps in this county (central
>coast of CA). There's a big independent fuel retailer in the cities
>(maybe national, I don't know) called USA -- that has 100% biodiesel
>at the pump, right next to the regular petro-diesel, unleaded gas,
>etc. Others are doing the same. The number of retailers is growing
>exponentially -- it was harder to find a year ago than now, and next
>year it will be still easier to find...
>
>Also -- for the geek inclined -- it is incredibly easy to brew your
>own, from any number of local sources (used cooking oil, etc.) -- do
>a little google searching and see what happens...
>
>Maybe I'll get busy later and post a few links, but it's really very
>easy to find info about this stuff...
>
>-- Chas.
>
>On 26 May 2007 03:25:10 +1000, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Wow, where do you buy biodiesel? Sounds really cool!
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>>>
>>>OK, I'll guess.... The bike!
>>>
>>>Out here in the middle of nowhere, it's drive not at all (work at
>>>home) or 25 miles to the nearest town. Got an 02 Jetta Wagon last
>>>summer -- a TDI diesel. Terrific car. Gets over 40 MPG -- on
>>>biodiesel. No petroleum necessary, no conversion, nada. Just put the
>>>stuff in and go. 550 miles to the tank. $3.05 a gallon. Technology
>>>has been around for a hundred years.
>>>
>>>With all the problems we have in the world today due to our dependence
>>>on oil, it's more than a little bit mind-boggling that more people
>>>haven't gotten around to this... There's nothing to develop, no big
>>>invention to prove out, no "breakthrough" to wait for: the vehicles
>>>exist and so does the fuel... What in the hell is it going to take?
>>>
>>>-- see you on the road -- chas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Fri, 25 May 2007 07:35:44 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
>>><know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have been affecting change in my own way to some degree, and having
fun
>>
>>>>while doing it. It takes almost $50 to fill my jap car, and that is NUTS.
>>My
>>>>bike, on the other hand will run over a 100 miles on about $7. Which
one
>>do
>>>>you think I drive daily when weather permits?
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:C27BD82F.A11A%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070525/ap_on_re_us/gas_price_pr otest_8;_ylt=Aht
>>>>> vulXvkv9kQ0cba2FtBdQL1vAI
>>>>>
>>>>> A good idea in theory, but I doubt it would help, even if every station
>>
>>>>> did
>>>>> this, since demand will just make up for it the next day. At least
>>>>> someone
>>>>> is doing something.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is getting old being held hostage by oil companies making record
>>>>> profits
>>>>> every quarter and claiming gas prices have nothing to do with it...yeah,
>>>>> right, and the sun has nothing to do with day and night. The shell
game
>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> one of the oldest cons in the book. Even Congress has "fallen" for
it
>>-
>>>>> twice I believe (2 investigation into price fixing exonerated the oil
>>>>> industry...so where's the profit coming from? ...and going).
>>>>>
>>>>> I hear our illustrious new congress plans to attempt some legislation
>>to
>>>>> ease the problem... at the end of the summer they say... great, *after*
>>a
>>>>> full season of skyrocketed gas prices, more record profits, and just
>>in
>>>>> time
>>>>> for prices take their token "drop" in the fall to lull the country
into
>>>>> believing someone actually did something, and $3.75 isn't so bad anymore
>>>>> (after we see $4.50+). Yet another "we'll solve the problem by hoping
>>>>> everyone will forget about it so we don't actually have to do anything"
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, the solution isn't as easy as saying "let's go find an alternative
>>>>> fuel source"...and new modes of transportation on a massive scale),
even
>>>>> though that is the only ultimate solution. Remember, record profits
>>mean
>>>>> steady or falling costs, rising prices, and rising demand on a repeated
>>>>> basis, even in Economics 101. In the meantime, we the consumers need
>>to
>>>>> fight back. If we don't, the oil companies will continue to bite the
>>
>>>>> hands
>>>>> that feed them until the country falls into depression and half of
them
>>go
>>>>> bankrupt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the rant.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were President, this would not be a problem. Needless to say,
oil
>>>>> execs would *not* be voting for me. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>This whole thing boils down to one question:
Do the Iraqi's want democracy? Do they know what to do with it?
When we leave will they slide into a theocracy dominated by
mullahs, or will they slide back into a corrupt and brutal Baathism,
or will they constitute a robust and free country?
Either of the former means we will have failed in a most large
and tragic manner. The latter will mean success and a greater
chance for peace.
Anyone who says they know which will happen is a liar.
There is plenty of evidence for either position.
Anyone who isn't scared about the possibilites for failure is
not paying attention.
This is what you see when you strip away both the flag-waving
from some folks, and the campaign of the left to make us lose
this war.
I'm nervous but hopeful. Others are just nervous.
We will know soon, won't we?
DCHi Don,
I don't pretend to know what will happen, but I stick with the following
idea, one that I came to circa 1992. There will be no fundamental change
in the arab world until the last drop of oil is extracted from the desert.
Chuck
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>This whole thing boils down to one question:
>
>Do the Iraqi's want democracy? Do they know what to do with it?
>
>When we leave will they slide into a theocracy dominated by
>mullahs, or will they slide back into a corrupt and brutal Baathism,
>or will they constitute a robust and free country?
>
>Either of the former means we will have failed in a most large
>and tragic manner. The latter will mean success and a greater
>chance for peace.
>
>Anyone who says they know which will happen is a liar.
>There is plenty of evidence for either position.
>
>Anyone who isn't scared about the possibilites for failure is
>not paying attention.
>
>This is what you see when you strip away both the flag-waving
>from some folks, and the campaign of the left to make us lose
>this war.
>
>I'm nervous but hopeful. Others are just nervous.
>
>We will know soon, won't we?
>
>DCChuck, I am calm. Go reread her post, I find it objectionable that she is
blaming the United States for everything. She is also saying that the prisoners
in Guantanamo are innocent. These people are terrorist and killed Americans.
One stupid rant deserved another. I'm just sick of hearing all the anti
American stuff.
The Bush administration and their cronies have terribly mismanaged this war,
to a point that I think it is criminal. However, I'm not going to jump on
the liberal bandwagon with all of their twisting of the truth and their lies.
I don't blame the troops or the US then there is collateral damage. As
an American, I find her rant offensive.
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi James,
>
>Now that you are winding down, re-visiting, and re-casting your own words,
>take a moment to calm down and consider what Sarah found objectionable in
>your post. It's the human thing to do.
>
>Chuck
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I said your liberal thinking was stupid, but it's Ok, take it anyway you
>want
>>to. I guess radical muslins are not hateful, violent people? It's only
>>the US that is wrong. right? Will we deserve it when the take out one
of
>>our cities? If it is your city they pick will it be Ok?
>>
>>It's the insurgents and Al Qaeda that are intentionally killing innocent
>>people in Iraq, not the US. It's a war, there are going to be casualties.
>> Casualties are unfortunate. Do you believe in killing? How about when
>>it's convenient? DO YOU BELIEVE IN ABORTION? Do you conveniently put
a
>>title on it and make excuses for killing like, a women's right to choose?
>> It's still human, it's still alive, it's still killing! Is that Ok?
From
>>what I've read, around 47 million babies have been killed by abortion in
>>the US over the years, is that Ok?
>>
>>
>>Do you think your freedom here in America was won with out blood shed?
>If
>>you do, I have a special announcement, Your freedom was won at the end
of
>>a gun barrel. I'll bet your anti gun to. It's funny how liberals do not
>>want honest decent law abiding citizens to have guns, but the liberals
will
>>be the first to defend criminals, and get laws legislated for criminals
>rights.
>> Kind of like you advocating for all of those nice peaceful innocent people
>>in Guantanamo. I think your thinking is a bit mixed up. The US has maid
>>a lot of mistakes, but we, the US are not the bad guys!
>>
>>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>I was just going to take a deep breath and let this go, because your post
>>is
>>>so full of defective logic that it would take a week to address each
>>>individual "point." But . . . being called stupid by an adult (assuming)
>>
>>>with the reasoning ability of a 5-year-old was a little more than I could
>>
>>>stand to let slide. The closing scene with my rotting corpse floating
>down
>>
>>>the river, minus its "silly head," was icing on the cake, and a particularly
>>
>>>bright passage, I must say. A little wishful thinking there?
>>>
>>>Yeah, we're all "damned lucky" you're not in charge. Unfortunately, the
>>
>>>morons in who are in charge could not have stayed in power this long without
>>
>>>the support of hateful, violent people who "think" like you.
>>>
>>>I worked for a long time in a state hospital for the mentally "challenged,"
>>
>>>and it was always interesting to me how condescending
>>>retarded people can be. I think it's because they're not smart enough
>to
>>
>>>know that they don't know, so when they can't comprehend what you're saying
>>
>>>to them, they think you're the idiot.
>>>
>>>I'm saving your post so when I hear people say things like, "Holy crap,
>>why
>>>is the world such an ugly, violent place?" I can say, "Well, here, read
>>this
>>>. . . and then imagine how many millions of others are similarly limited."
>>>
>>>Go play now, James . . . this is big people talk.
>>>
>>>Sarah
>>>
>>>PS: My apologies to the other, more rational participants in this seemingly
>>
>>>endless discussion. I usually refrain from personal attacks, but he pissed
>>
>>>me off, and I gave in to a moment of weakness. Sorry. I'll shut up now.
>> I
>>>think I've said enough on this particular topic anyway.
>>>
>>>PPS: Anybody know this McCloskey guy? Is he gonna rape me, beat me "with
>>
>>>an inch" of my life, and cut my head off now? (No! No! Not the inch again!)
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4655f94e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is always collateral damage in war. You can't put a price on
>>>> collateral
>>>> damage when it comes to war. This isn't patty cakes, it's war. There
>>is
>>>> no way to make it clean, convenient, or palatable! So how could we
>have
>>>> removed Sadam, his sons and the whole Baath party from power with out
>>
>>>> invading?
>>>> We couldn't have. Your thinking is hindsight and vary convenient.
>>>>
>>>> It was Muslims that declared war on the US in 1996! It was Muslims
that
>>>> attacked us first. It's muslims that want a holy war. What about
the
>>
>>>> people
>>>> Sadam killed, possibly millions? Oh yeah, all those poor innocent people
>>>> in Guantanamo. I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
>>>> They're damned lucky I'm not in charge. As far as McCain goes he is
>>a
>>>> weasel.
>>>> >
>>>> Of course they are decent people, and I guess we are not, right? We
>>are
>>>> not making war. They started war in our country! They had no business
>>
>>>> being
>>>> in our country. As far as their countries, we say that if they stop
>
>>>> fighting
>>>> and get along, we'll pull out and get the hell out of their countries.
>>
>>>> What
>>>> do they do? They keep fighting to keep us there. They want us there.
>>
>>>> They
>>>> keep us there. How can you be so sure that the people killed around
>Al
>>
>>>> Qaeda
>>>> aren't giving aid and support to them. Yes our intelligence is always
>>
>>>> wrong.
>>>> If we bomb a target of insurgents, it's going to turn out to be a wedding
>>>> party full of kids. That is so convenient for the left wing liberal
>
>>>> media!
>>>>
>>>> Who is killing the innocent in Iraq? You'd like to blame the US. That
>>is
>>>> so convenient for you. Why don't Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents
>>>> count? What, is it inconvenient? Is it because it doesn't fit in to
>>you
>>>> stupid liberal thinking? What about Al Qaeda? They kill their own
at
>>
>>>> will
>>>> and it's Ok. And it's the US that is wrong. It's the US thinking that
>>is
>>>> wrong. It the US that asked for this by our policies. What a pile
of
>>
>>>> rotten,
>>>> stinking, bullshit!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Since we are doing it all wrong, why don't you go over there and make
>>sure
>>>> the right people get killed? They would catch you, rape you, beat you
>>
>>>> with
>>>> an inch of your life, then they'd cut your silly head off on video tape,
>>>> and send your headless rotting corpse floating down the Tigress river,
>>
>>>> that's
>>>> why not!
>>>>
>>>> It's you that doesn't get it!
>>>>
>>>> Al Qaeda is in Iraq!!! Where should it be dealt with?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>I've talked about this before, but I want to mention it again
because it is just so darn cool.
On this site
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
You can sign up (it costs 100 USD) and send them in a DNA
sample and they will tell you the story of your family's journey
through time and location.
The lineage traced is paternal (because the mutations they use
as markers are paternal ones) and in my case, I found that my
Dad's family, (whcih we always thought was 100% Italian) is
actually spread all around the Mediterranean with higher
percentages in Greece, and among Jews than Italians. We are
also significantly represented in Spain and are even in England
and Ireland from the Roman times. But the roots (so to speak)
of the family, and its highest representation today is in Africa...
Who knew?
It is about the coolest 100 bucks you can spend. It will also
teach you the profound difference between our socially-
derived concept of race, and how the genetics actually works.
They are radically different...
Highly recommended.
DCI hope you are wrong, but I cannot swear that you are...
What gives me some hope is that there is a pretty significant
number of Iraqis who don't want to be governed by Mullahs,
or Baathists.
But our biggest mistake of the last 50 years was not seeing
the geopolitical significance of our energy policies...
No doubt about it.
Now name me a candidate, of either party who is standing up
and promising to drill everywhere and build more refineries
while at the same time developing alternatives... Name one who
is taking this seriously!
meet the new boss...
DC
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Don,
>
>I don't pretend to know what will happen, but I stick with the following
>idea, one that I came to circa 1992. There will be no fundamental change
>in the arab world until the last drop of oil is extracted from the desert.
>
>Chuck
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>This whole thing boils down to one question:
>>
>>Do the Iraqi's want democracy? Do they know what to do with it?
>>
>>When we leave will they slide into a theocracy dominated by
>>mullahs, or will they slide back into a corrupt and brutal Baathism,
>>or will they constitute a robust and free country?
>>
>>Either of the former means we will have failed in a most large
>>and tragic manner. The latter will mean success and a greater
>>chance for peace.
>>
>>Anyone who says they know which will happen is a liar.
>>There is plenty of evidence for either position.
>>
>>Anyone who isn't scared about the possibilites for failure is
>>not paying attention.
>>
>>This is what you see when you strip away both the flag-waving
>>from some folks, and the campaign of the left to make us lose
>>this war.
>>
>>I'm nervous but hopeful. Others are just nervous.
>>
>>We will know soon, won't we?
>>
>>DC
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
“I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
They're damned lucky I'm not in charge.
That’s just it James, YOU HAVE BEEN in charge.
The last six years have been a great American experiment. At no time in our
history have we been so controlled by a single philosophy. The Bush doctrine
has been pushed into every nook and cranny of our government, national and
international policies. It’s not just the complete insistence that everyone
in the world that gets any financial assistance or incentive from US dollars
goes along. The Bush administration has actually placed cronies in every
spot they can. Both important positions and less important positions. From
the key leaders of or country, our military, our Supreme Court, the UN, all
the way down to who runs Public Radio and ten thousand other examples. Who
filters the science coming from NASA, NOAA etc? The civilian staffing in
Iraq is a perfect example. Bush loyalist got all the key positions. Why bring
in someone with knowledge and experience when you can bring in a crony? Our
handling of Katrina, …the list goes on-and-on. People who share your/Bush’s
politics are in charge of everything. That’s exactly why we had Abu-Grae.
Sure other administrations, both republican and democrat, have tried to extend
their sphere of influence, but at no time in American history has one administration
been so successful at achieving near 100 percent control. The fact that the
republicans controlled both houses of congress combined with the post 9/11
fear that questioning the administration could be interpreted and being un-patriotic
gave Bush “cart blanch”, Boy did he run with it.
So congratulations James. You have been in charge and you should be very
proud of what you have achieved.
Gene
>
>>>Sorry, guys . . . of course I didn't seriously think Deej or any other
sane
>
>person would advocate killing all Muslims. I was just trying in my typical
>
>clumsy sarcastic way to make a point, that point being that I find it
>incomprehensible that people who support this invasion and occupation seem
>
>to believe that the stunning "collateral damage" is a fair price for what
>
>little we've gained in return. Saddam is gone. Great. He could've been
>
>gone without declaring war on Iraq . . . without the collateral damage.<<
>
>There is always collateral damage in war. You can't put a price on collateral
>damage when it comes to war. This isn't patty cakes, it's war. There is
>no way to make it clean, convenient, or palatable! So how could we have
>removed Sadam, his sons and the whole Baath party from power with out invading?
> We couldn't have. Your thinking is hindsight and vary convenient.
>
>>>And when I use the euphemism "collateral damage," I'm not just talking
>about
>the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. I'm talking about
>
>the survivors, too, who we've given reason to hate us where perhaps there
>
>wasn't reason before. And that includes innocent people rotting in places
>
>like Guantanamo. And it includes the freedom-loving dissenters in Iran
you
>
>refer to who now fear George Bush more than their own insane leaders. "Bomb
>
>bomb bomb . . . bomb bomb Iran" - John McCain doing Beach Boys, to rounds
>of
>laughter and applause. Yeah, that's funny.<<
>
>It was Muslims that declared war on the US in 1996! It was Muslims that
>attacked us first. It's muslims that want a holy war. What about the
people
> Sadam killed, possibly millions? Oh yeah, all those poor innocent people
>in Guantanamo. I love that hey terrorist should have rights too thinking.
> They're damned lucky I'm not in charge. As far as McCain goes he is a
>weasel.
>
>>>Of course the decent, sane Muslims in the middle East are in the majority,
>
>which is exactly why we shouldn't be in their countries making war! We're
>
>killing a lot more of them than we are Al Caeda, and that's not acceptable.
>
>What percentage of the people we've killed in Iraq were actually Al Qaeda?
>
>I bet you anything it's a single digit, maybe even a couple digits after
>a
>decimal point. (Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents don't count).<<
>
>Of course they are decent people, and I guess we are not, right? We are
>not making war. They started war in our country! They had no business
being
>in our country. As far as their countries, we say that if they stop fighting
>and get along, we'll pull out and get the hell out of their countries.
What
>do they do? They keep fighting to keep us there. They want us there.
They
>keep us there. How can you be so sure that the people killed around Al
Qaeda
>aren't giving aid and support to them. Yes our intelligence is always wrong.
> If we bomb a target of insurgents, it's going to turn out to be a wedding
>party full of kids. That is so convenient for the left wing liberal media!
>
>
>>>Overall, we are NOT killing the right people. We're like an exterminator
>
>who shows up at your house to get cockroaches with a shotgun. We're trying
>
>to eliminate head lice with a hammer. Ow.<<
>
>
>Who is killing the innocent in Iraq? You'd like to blame the US. That
is
>so convenient for you. Why don't Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents
>count? What, is it inconvenient? Is it because it doesn't fit in to you
>stupid liberal thinking? What about Al Qaeda? They kill their own at will
>and it's Ok. And it's the US that is wrong. It's the US thinking that
is
>wrong. It the US that asked for this by our policies. What a pile of rotten,
>stinking, bullshit!!!!!
>
>Since we are doing it all wrong, why don't you go over there and make sure
>the right people get killed? They would catch you, rape you, beat you with
>an inch of your life, then they'd cut your silly head off on video tape,
>and send your headless rotting corpse floating down the Tigress river, that's
>why not!
>
>It's you that doesn't get it!
>
>>>Al Qaeda is an international network of criminals, not a country, and
should
>
>be dealt with as such.
>
>Sarah<<
>
>Al Qaeda is in Iraq!!! Where should it be dealt with?
>
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>Sorry, guys . . . of course I didn't seriously think Deej or any other
sane
>
>>person would advocate killing all Muslims. I was just trying in my typical
>
>>clumsy sarcastic way to make a point, that point being that I find it
>>incomprehensible that people who support this invasion and occupation seem
>
>>to believe that the stunning "collateral damage" is a fair price for what
>
>>little we've gained in return. Saddam is gone. Great. He could've been
>
>>gone without declaring war on Iraq . . . without the collateral damage.
>>
>>And when I use the euphemism "collateral damage," I'm not just talking
about
>
>>the tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. I'm talking about
>
>>the survivors, too, who we've given reason to hate us where perhaps there
>
>>wasn't reason before. And that includes innocent people rotting in places
>
>>like Guantanamo. And it includes the freedom-loving dissenters in Iran
>you
>>refer to who now fear George Bush more than their own insane leaders.
"Bomb
>
>>bomb bomb . . . bomb bomb Iran" - John McCain doing Beach Boys, to rounds
>of
>>laughter and applause. Yeah, that's funny.
>>
>>Of course the decent, sane Muslims in the middle East are in the majority,
>
>>which is exactly why we shouldn't be in their countries making war! We're
>
>>killing a lot more of them than we are Al Caeda, and that's not acceptable.
>
>>What percentage of the people we've killed in Iraq were actually Al Qaeda?
>
>>I bet you anything it's a single digit, maybe even a couple digits after
>a
>>decimal point. (Sunni and Shia civil warring insurgents don't count).
>>
>>Overall, we are NOT killing the right people. We're like an exterminator
>
>>who shows up at your house to get cockroaches with a shotgun. We're trying
>
>>to eliminate head lice with a hammer. Ow.
>>
>>Al Qaeda is an international network of criminals, not a country, and should
>
>>be dealt with as such.
>>
>>Sarah
>>
>>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:4654d702$1@linux...
>>>> > Because if you listen to the majority of the international press,
they
>>>> > would have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this
>>>> > world like the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who
>
>>>> > would
>>>> > like to be rid of them.
>>>
>>> Sarah, I think what Deej is saying here is that there are many, many
more,
>>> non fundamentalist Muslims around the world who are reasonable, not
>>> radicalized and want to live under democracy rather than theocracy. What
>
>>> the
>>> press would have you believe is just the opposite, that the crazy ones
>are
>>> the majority. You don't see the press covering dissenting views by more
>>> moderate Islamics. I agree with Deej. This can be supported if you look
>at
>>> the contemptuous reaction by the younger and educated in Iran against
>the
>>> mullahs and Amadinejad. There is much dissent in Iran, which you only
>read
>>> about in rare publications. There is also much repression in Iran against
>>> the voice of democracy. We need to be the light and hope for the world
>and
>>> for democratic freedoms. The alternative is frightening, isn't it!
>>>
>>> http://www.nowpublic.com/silencing_dissent_in_iran_four_hang ed_0
>>>
>>> http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2004/06/07/iran8774.htm
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4653b5af@linux...
>>>> So . . . hang on a minute here . . . you're saying you think we SHOULD
>>> kill
>>>> all Muslims, starting with the entire Middle East?
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4653a4f0@linux...
>>>> >
>>>> > "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46537917@linux...
>>>> >> "To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the
>>> whole
>>>> >> Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day
hero
>>> ...
>>>> >> assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched
>>>> >> dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an un-winnable
>>>> >> urban guerilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into
>>> even
>>>> >> greater instability."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> - George H.W. Bush
>>>> >
>>>> > And you are referring to what coalition????...................the
one
>>> that
>>>> > Clinton failed to hold together the minute he was elected???
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Baby Bush shoulda listened to Big Bush instead of to "the crazies"
>
>>>> >> (how
>>>> >> Bush I's administration referred to the "neocons").
>>>> >
>>>> > Bush I had achieved a scenario wherein if Sadaam violated sanctions,
>>> there
>>>> > were remedies. No one was willing to explore those remedies in any
>kind
>>> of
>>>> > serious way. this is Clintons major crime, IMO. He had a duty to do
>
>>>> > this
>>>> > and he didn't. As the 90's wore on, a billionaire maniac who paid
blood
>>>> > money to the familes of terrorists to ensure that the could more
>>>> > easlily
>>>> > walk into Israeli shipping malls and restaurants and murder people
>
>>>> > while
>>>> > he flaunted UN authority was buiding his time until sham sanctions
>were
>>>> > officially lifted while in Afghanistan, the weaselly rich wannabee
>who
>>>> > felt dissed because the Saudi's didn't want him to defend them from
>>> Sadaam
>>>> > and decided it should be us, collects the scum of the earth and every
>>>> > other variety of homicidal miscreant, gets some lunatic mullas to
deify
>>>> > them in their own minds and sends these Aassholes around the world
>to
>>> kill
>>>> > people.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sorry Sarah....some things are not complicated at all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If this crusade is truly a righteous one, and if six figure
>>>> >> "collateral
>>>> >> damage" is an acceptable loss for what we've gained (?) so far, then
>>> why
>>>> >> screw around? Why not just kill everyone between India and the
>>>> >> Mediterranean (except for Israel, of course)? It's the only way to
>be
>>>> >> sure. We must have the technology. After that we should probably
>just
>>>> >> eliminate all Muslims around the world, since apparently the Quran
>>>> >> compels true believers to kill non-Muslims. Islamic extremists are
>a
>>>> >> cancer on civilisation, and you have to get the surrounding tissue
>
>>>> >> when
>>>> >> you remove a cancer.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's only logical.
>>>> >
>>>> > Because if you listen to the majority of the international press,
they
>>>> > would have you believe that there are a lot more crazy people in this
>>>> > world like the assholes we are fighting than reasonable people who
>
>>>> > would
>>>> > like to be rid of them.
>>>> >
>>>> > In spite of the apparent lunacy that I see on the left side of the
>>> aisle,
>>>> > I think that they have a huge part to play in the downfall of these
>>>> > cretins.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>> http://www.marxists.org/archive/hekmat-mansoor/2001/misc/ris e-fall-islam.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > ...if the left doesn't screw the pooch beforehand and in so doing,
>take
>>>> > those in this country that are still willing to fight for it with
them.
>>>> >
>>>> > ;o)
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Thanks Dedric.
One more for the mix: the instability in major oil producing regions. As
tight as the system is running right now it wouldn't take much of a
supply interruption to spike prices much higher.
For example, by invading Iran. Or with further political instability in
Nigeria.
"LONDON: Crude oil prices rose Friday amid worries about supply after
Nigeria's powerful oil unions went on strike and gunmen kidnapped oil
workers in the nation's south. Concern about more tensions with Iran was
also a factor.
Potential conflicts in Nigeria — Africa's biggest oil producer and a top
supplier of crude to the United States — and Iran could affect global
supplies and are buoying prices after a sharp drop-off Thursday,
analysts said."
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/25/europe/EU-FIN-MKT- Oil-Prices.php
"Traders and analysts fear any conflict with Iran could result in the
closure of the Strait of Hormuz, through which tankers ship about 17
million barrels of crude oil a day, according to the U.S. Energy
(nasdaq: USEG - news - people ) Information Administration.
Also keeping Brent crude prices high is political tension in Nigeria.
Oil worker unions started striking at Nigeria's state-owned oil company
Thursday, and meanwhile, five gunmen kidnapped a Polish worker. It was
the latest kidnapping in this year's spate of more than 100 seizures of
foreign workers in Africa's largest oil producing nation."
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/05/24/ap3756103.html
So yeah, it would be smart to run our cars on something other than
gasoline. I'm leaning toward electric.
But since you brought up air cars, here's an interesting prototype that
runs on compressed air:
http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cfm?Section=InTech_Home1&a mp;template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&Conten tID=60544
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmqpGZv0YT4
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> That's some impressive research Jamie - thanks for posting.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> Btw - I'm converting my cars to run on air. Have you seen the price of
> tacky air fresheners lately? ;-)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46570dec@linux...
>> I turn on the tap and get water. It doesn't cost anything like 1.72/gal.
>> It's at least several orders of magnitude less expensive than that.
>> Whatever you're paying for in your tea product, Thad, it's not the water,
>> primarily.
>>
>> Gas prices are destined to rise for several reasons.
>>
>> 1) There is only so much oil. Google "peak oil."
>>
>>
>> 2) Rising worldwide demand. For example, growing economies in China and
>> India are becoming big consumers.
>>
>>
>> 3) Rising US demand. Energy policy here has been generally shortsighted
>> over the last quarter century, at least, from the leadership down to the
>> consumer level.
>>
>> For example, by now we could have had MUCH more efficient vehicles on
>> average, but we don't.
>>
>> Meanwhile the population is growing. So we merrily burn up record amounts
>> of petroleum products. Blame goes to leadership; the domestic car/truck
>> industry; and consumers.
>>
>>
>> 4) OPEC. 2/3 of the world's reserves and 40+% of production.
>>
>>
>> 5) Consolidation in the oil industry. There is less competition. (Blamers,
>> you may blame both Clinton and Bush.) It's easier to keep prices high when
>> there are fewer major players involved.
>>
>> Whether there is direct collusion is difficult to prove, the FTC who
>> regulates and allows the current state of consolidation is very defensive
>> about it, but their figures don't jive with the GAO's. The GAO sees
>> evidence that mergers have helped drive up gasoline prices at the pump.
>>
>> "In 2004, the five largest refiners controlled 56 percent of the gasoline
>> refined in the United States and the 10 top companies controlled 85
>> percent, according to a study by Public Citizen, a private advocacy group.
>>
>> Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he hopes to soon
>> consider legislation to strengthen antitrust laws on oil company mergers
>> to allow closer scrutiny of their impact on competition..
>>
>> The legislation also would make it illegal for companies to hold back
>> refining crude oil -- or diverting or exporting refined products such as
>> gasoline -- when supplies are short in a region in order to hold up
>> prices. Some refiners in the past have been accused of diverting supplies
>> despite supply shortages in a region.
>>
>> "It isn't illegal just to be big," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, chairman
>> of the Judiciary antitrust subcommittee. "What is not legal is when a
>> company abuses its size or uses unfair tactics to shut out its competitors
>> or harm competition."
>>
>> State prosecutors from California and Wisconsin testified that current
>> federal antitrust laws hinder prosecution for price gouging and excessive
>> concentration in the refining and retail oil and gas industry."
>>
>> http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/03/14/news/na tional/cac5cd1d8b24f5598725713100660cb4.txt
>>
>> (written 2004) "Domestic refining and transportation costs account for
>> one-third of the price of a gallon of gasoline – costs that are largely
>> determined by the major oil companies operating in the United States. This
>> share of company costs tacked on to the price of gasoline has been
>> increasing. In November 2000, crude oil prices were at the same level they
>> are today (more than $36 per barrel), but retail gas prices today ($1.78
>> per gallon) are 17 percent higher than they were then ($1.55 per gallon).
>> Most of this difference has been realized in higher profits from the new
>> mega-companies that have merged since 2000.
>>
>> The top five companies in America – ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco,
>> ConocoPhillips, BP-Amoco-Arco and Shell – now control half of all domestic
>> oil production, half of all domestic refinery capacity, and nearly
>> two-thirds of the retail market.
>>
>> "The fact that a handful of companies control half of the domestic oil
>> production is particularly significant given that the United States is the
>> third largest oil producer in the world," Hauter said. "It’s no wonder
>> that the market leader, ExxonMobil, posted after-tax profits of $21.5
>> billion in 2003. When you control the market, you can manipulate the
>> system to ensure enormous profits.""
>>
>> http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=1660
>>
>>
>> 6) Lack of refinery capacity in the USA. The oil industry has not seen fit
>> to invest in increased refining capacity. Maybe Deej has some insights
>> here.
>>
>> "Until the mid-1990s, the United States had significant spare refining
>> capacity. But because of consolidation in the industry, the number of
>> refineries declined while unprofitable operations were shut. As demand
>> grew, however, and capacity remained flat, the picture changed. In recent
>> years, refineries in the United States have been running at or close to
>> full capacity.
>>
>> Domestic refineries can now process about 17.5 million barrels of crude
>> oil each day, much of it imported. But with consumption now close to about
>> 21 million barrels a day, more imports of refined products are also
>> needed.
>>
>> In recent weeks, refiners point out that they have been increasing output:
>> gasoline production in the United States is at its highest level ever,
>> 8.85 million barrels a day.
>>
>> Also, by increasing output from existing refineries, oil companies say
>> they have expanded their production by 200,000 barrels a day since last
>> year. Expansion of existing plants has added the equivalent of 10 new
>> refineries over the last 10 years.
>>
>> The refining industry has also spent vast amounts — more than $50 billion
>> in the last 10 years — to meet requirements to produce cleaner fuels,
>> according to the American Petroleum Institute, the industry’s main trade
>> group.
>>
>> But demand is outstripping supply. In the first three quarters of the
>> year, gasoline use grew by 2 percent, nearly twice last year’s pace.
>> Domestically produced supplies, though, have increased by only 0.5 percent
>> a year on average."
>>
>> http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200 70524/ZNYT01/705240315/1002/business
>>
>> Consumer advocate Mark Cooper questioned at the House hearing whether the
>> industry may be keeping supplies tight on purpose.
>>
>> "By creating a situation of extremely tight supply, the oil companies gain
>> control over price at the wholesale level," said Cooper, who monitors
>> energy industries at the Consumer Federation of America. Despite huge
>> increases in refinery profits, there have been no investments in refinery
>> capacity, he argued.
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/a-731938~Lawmakers_ask_whether_oil_i ndustry_investments_drive_up_prices.html
>>
>>
>> 7) Refineries off line for maintenance. Take a bottleneck and squeeze
>> further, apparently that's the situation here. Oil companies say this is
>> not deliberate.
>>
>>
>> 8) Complexity of refining different fuel blends.
>>
>>
>> 9) Damage to infrastructure from Katrina and Rita.
>>
>>
>> 9a) Aging infrastructure. Underfunded maintenance.
>>
>> "BP Plc shut down a quarter of its 400,000 barrels-per-day Prudhoe Bay oil
>> field in Alaska after finding a leaky water pipe on Monday, a company
>> spokesman said.
>>
>> BP workers shut down about 100,000 bpd of the field's production after
>> finding water leaking from a 12-inch pipeline inside a processing facility
>> that separates water from crude oil, said BP spokesman Ronnie Chappell.
>>
>> Fewer than 20 barrels of water were spilled and never escaped the
>> facility, Chappell said.
>>
>> "We expect the facility to be down a few days while repairs are made,"
>> he said.
>>
>> U.S. Rep. Bart Stupak, who heads the investigations arm of the House
>> Energy and Com
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