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| Re: PARIS plays slow and then speeds up [message #54851 is a reply to message #54838] |
Fri, 24 June 2005 01:39   |
rick
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> >> that is the USA, for some reason did join and support them
>> > >> in the past. heck, they might even support them in other causes
>> > >> (my favourite example being long forgotten afghanistan, where
>> > >> my country i.e. is still helping out on every corner, despite
>> > >> the fact that were led by mr. selfish evil stefan schroeder, the
>> > >> half socialist bastard),
>> > >> which somehow is quite illogical, dont you think?
>> > >>
>> > >> anyway, that discussion leads nowhere, its just a nebula bomb
>> > >> thrown by supporters of the preemptive strike idea that
>> > >> fear the actual comparison of concepts.
>> > >>
>> > >> just note how many people have responded to my reply to neil
>> > >> (who was so proud of his very original "nuke a moslem city
>> > >> for every terror attack and itll teach them" joke, ha ha oh its so
>> funny
>> > >> ha ha) - israel is a prime example where you can compare the
>> > >> different concepts of brute force versus deescalation.
>> > >> brute force had about 40 years to prove itself as a
>> > >> conflict ending concept. deescalation had about 5 years
>> > >> (you know, until that religious dumbass shot rabin).
>> > >> which concept came closer to actual peace? you tell me.
>> > >>
>> > >> im much more interested in that basic discussion of concepts
>> > >> than in dealing stereotype bullshit like the "selfish
>> > >> socialist europe" or the equally stupid speculation about
>> > >> whether mr. bush's motivation is a selfish one or a selfless act
>> > >> (i would guess its a typical case of a mixture).
>> > >>
>> > >> im too old for that BS. and you should be too. honestly.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
>> > >> >Well, I've got little time here so I'm going to try to finish this
>in
>> > a
>> > >> >brief a post as possible.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >To sum up the previous post.......after 1976, when electricity and
>> decent
>> > >> >roads were brought into this area, it became an increasingly
>> > >international
>> > >> >community of people and a big experiment in socialism. The same
>> problems
>> > >> >that inevitably doom socialism to failure, were very evident and
it
>> was
>> > >> a
>> > >> >real eye opener to those among us who thouight we could transcend
>> human
>> > >> >nature for the *good of the group*. Also the permissiveness and
>> > >> >non-judgmentalism that was part of this experiment (we call it
>> political
>> > >> >correctness now) caused a lot of problems. One really funny thing
>>
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| Re: PARIS plays slow and then speeds up [message #54871 is a reply to message #54851] |
Fri, 24 June 2005 08:11 |
Deej [3]
Messages: 181
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oil
>> > >> >> > >> >> >companies.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> > And, leaving Iraqi oil in the ground, or burning
it
>in
>> > >bombed
>> > >> >> > >> >pipelines
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >is exactly what they want to do. This whole war was
>> about
>> > >> >> > >> >destabilizing
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >the Middle East so that oil prices would rise and
make
>> > >> >billions
>> > >> >> > for
>> > >> >> > >> >> >George's
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >friends, screwing everyone else in the process.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >Osama has publicly said that his mission is to
>bankrupt
>> > the
>> > >> US
>> > >> >> > the
>> > >> >> > >> >same
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> way
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >that he feels he bankrupted the USSR in Afghanistan
as
>> > >payback
>> > >> >> > for
>> > >> >> > >> >> >Israeli/US
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >aggression in Lebanon in the 1980s. I'm not defending
>> > him
>> > >> or
>> > >> >> his
>> > >> >> > >> >agenda
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >AT ALL, but we need to look at our enemies clearly
-
>and
>> > >our
>> > >> >> > >so-called
>> > >> >> > >> >> >friends
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >- if we're going to make good decisions.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >Just like Osama, Bush and his friends want to bankrupt
>> > the
>> > >> US
>> > >> >> > >> >government
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >in several ways, too: they want to give as much money
>> > as
>> > >> >> possible
>> > >> >> > >> to
>> > >> >> > >> >> >their
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >corporate friends through reconstruction projects
and
>> > >military
>> > >> >> > >> >contracts,
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >they want to dismantle, as much as possible, what
>little
>> > >> >social
>> > >> >> > >> >> >safety-net
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >the US has, and they want to bleed the American people
>> > >> >directly
>> > >> >> > >with
>> > >> >> > >> >> high
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >gas and oil prices.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >The best way to end social spending and bring the
US
>> back
>> > >> to
>> > >> >the
>> > >> >> > >early
>> > >> >> > >> >> >1900s
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >economically (which seems to be part of the
>conservative
>> > >> >> ideology)
>> > >> >> > >> is
>> > >> >> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >saddle the government with so m
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| Re: PARIS plays slow and then speeds up [message #54872 is a reply to message #54871] |
Fri, 24 June 2005 08:25 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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uch debt that the
>public
>> > >simply
>> > >> >> > >can't
>> > >> >> > >> >> >afford
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >social programs anymore. He's intentionally trying
to
>> > >> >bankrupt
>> > >> >> > the
>> > >> >> > >> US
>> > >> >> > >> >> >government
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >to further entrench the power of his rich friends,
and
>> > he's
>> > >> >> doing
>> > >> >> > >> a
>> > >> >> > >> >great
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >job.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >There are two things that most so-called conservatives
>> > >don't
>> > >> >> seem
>> > >> >> > >> to
>> > >> >> > >> >> >consider.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> > One, if you don't redistribute a certain amount of
>> wealth
>> > >> >> through
>> > >> >> > >> >> >taxation,
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >it gets so concentrated that the economy collapses
and
>> > >> >nobodies
>> > >> >> > >wealth
>> > >> >> > >> >> is
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >worth anything anymore. Second, cutting taxes shrinks
>> > the
>> > >> >> economy.
>> > >> >> > >> >> Why?
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> > Because individuals, especially rich ones, don't
>spend
>> > >100%
>> > >> >of
>> > >> >> > >every
>> > >> >> > >> >> >dollar
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >they earn - they save some of it. Governments
>generally
>> > >spend
>> > >> >> > >every
>> > >> >> > >> >> red
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >cent they bring in. So, when George cuts taxes for
>his
>> > >rich
>> > >> >> > >friends,
>> > >> >> > >> >> >the
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >US economy actually shrinks by the amount that people
>> save
>> > >> and
>> > >> >> > >> >government
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >would have spent, further contributing the bankrupting
>> > of
>> > >> >> America.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >As a Canadian, I'm extremely worried about the
>direction
>> > >that
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> > >> US
>> > >> >> > >> >> is
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> heading
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >in. Bush and the terrorists seem to have the same
>> agenda.
>> > >> >> There's
>> > >> >> > >> no
>> > >> >> > >> >> >success
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >for Canada if the US falls apart. I can't even tell
>you
>> > >how
>> > >> >> > >> >heartbroken
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >and disappointed I was when George won the election.
>> I've
>> > >> >> always
>> > >> >> > >> >> >believed
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >in and admired Americans - and I still do - but these
>> are
>> > >> very
>> > >> >> > >> >worrisome
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >times.
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> > >> >> >> >My heart goes out to everyone who has been affected
by
>> > t
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