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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #59978 is a reply to message #59970] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 15:40   |
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jef knight[1]
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box, and I am suspicious that it will be nice, but I've had so
much stuffing around with it (I've been trying out all these different multiboot
managers and stuff) and I've had so much on my plate with having to move
house, news servers, and I had my big party for turning 1/3 of a century,
etc etc etc [insert extra excuses here] that I just haven't got to it...
....and because the boot managers have been such a stuff around I got agravated
with the whole thing and left it and started reading a book instead... ;o)
....so in short, I still don't know if it's any good.
But from what experience I have had with it and Paris, it's been faultless.
It's a gigabyte K8NS Athlon64 system if you're interested.
I should get back to that...
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Kim just built a new Paris box...............but I think he's out rootin'
>around at some kinda' outdoor festival right now. My Paris rig is very
>stable, but it's got about the same horsepower rating as you have now so
I
>doubt you'd want to make a lateral move with a new system.
>
>Deej
>
>"D Posey" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:439652b4$1@linux...
>>
>> hey guys,
>> I would appreciated any helpful info that you could pass on. I built a
>computer
>> for Paris about year ago and I am having some major problems with it.
I
>really
>> think I should probably get one built from someone that knows what their
>> doing. Any recommendations on who I should contact would greatly be
>appreciated
>> David
>
>Yup, very true, Tony.
I can list the major flaws and limitations of every computer I've ever
had, and I've had a variety. None has been perfect, all have been
dissappointing in various ways while being the little miracles they are.
Which is not to say they've been equal. Some have been arguably better
than others _for what I do_. And some companies, at times, have been
more impressive on various levels than others.
So anyway, thanks for sending the new G5. Deej implies it sucks the best
'cause of his old G4, so I'm going to rig it up to my vacuum cleaner for
better housecleaning, and maybe do the furnace ducts while I'm at it. If
Deej could send his old G4 to incorporate into the suckage design, the
system would suck a lot slower which would make it easier to watch. The
G5 by itself would probably suck so quick it would be done too fast to
appreciate! :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Tony Benson wrote:
> Thanks Jamie for knocking some sense into me and throwing yourself on this
> "grenade". I almost made a huge mistake! I'm sending you the G5 now and have
> just ordered the parts for my DIY PC. I'm having them shipped to Deej though
> so he can assemble, tweak and test for me. I wouldn't know the Bios from the
> Biosphere, so. . . ;>)
>
> Seriously, I used to get miffed at Mac bashing, but now the whole PC vs. Mac
> thing just seems silly. I'm typing this message on a PC, one of six or so I
> try to keep running and playing nice together on the network here at work.
> Over the years I've had at least ten different Macs. Right now my home
> network has two PC's (one my son and I built) two Mac desktops, and two
> laptops (one PC and one Mac). The fact is, all the computers I take care of
> are fantastic, and all of them suck. They're fantastic when they're working
> right and suck when they don't.
>
> Peace on earth and good will toward men, yada, yada, yada.
>
> Tony
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4395d57f@linux...
>
>>Oh Man, sorry to hear it, Tony. I hate to think of all the suffering
>>you're about to undergo with that G5 Mac.
>>
>>Listen, tell ya what. Just leave it in the box and send it to me. I'll
>>shield you from the pain! ;^)
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>
>>>My gift just arrived today! But it's one of those nasty, poopy, evil G5
>>>Macs. ;>) It's going to be my new DP/UAD-1 Box (No more dual booting! My
>>>G4 is now officially my PARIS only box!). I had to go with a "new old
>>>stock" G5 though as the UAD-1 won't work with the new PCIe slots. Oh
>>>well, the price was right and I'm sure it will be more than powerful
>>>enough for my needs, at least until the new Intel Macs have time to
>>>mature.
>>>
>>>Here's wishing all my PARIS brothers and sisters a glorious and safe
>>>holiday season, regardless of your computer preference!
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:4395433e$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, I'm not yelling, just saying hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
>>>>back. Christmas is coming, maybe with new 'puter gifts for many of us,
>>>>ummmhhh.... ....Have you been a nice enough boy the last couple of months
>>>>to get some gifts from Santa Claus?;o)....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.com> skrev i melding
>>>>news:439483bb@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>hey yall
>>>>>
>>>>>just sayin hi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>Hey DJ,
I would have to say yes..By adding a nice summing device would do wonders
for apps like Nuendo/SX and PT. It's amazing when I run stero out to a SSL
console how much this alone helps naitives. Even cheaper, Soundcraft's ghost
consol
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #59983 is a reply to message #59967] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 17:37 |
Rod Lincoln
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a>> wrote:
>>
>>First things first. Applications are run as one or more threads. An appliction
>>can be coded to run as one massive thread or as more than one smaller thread.
>>Some applications lend themselves to running as multiple threads very well
>>(an audio app, for example, which can quite efficiently have threads for
>>every plug-in, every EQ, the mix engine, graphics, etc.) and some do not
>>(an SSH file transfer, for example, or a database query). Each thread has
>>to be assigned to a processor, and can't run on more than one. So, if you
>>have a quad processor machine (any platform, any OS) and your machine is
>>running three threads then one of the processors by definition will not
>be
>>used. So it *is* necessary for software to be coded to use multiple processors,
>>save that maybe the app can swamp one while the rest of OS is multi-threaded.
>>So we all can learn more and do some more reading when it comes to computers.
>>
>>
>>As I've said here recently, to me OS X and M$oft OS's are simply two sides
>>of a nearly identical coin. Neither grants their users the right to change
>>the platform for the better. Neither allows users to share their modifications
>>and improvements with others. Neither compels other to offer similar freedoms.
>>Until one or the other does (ha ha) I'm happy as a clam over here with
Debian
>>and Gnome. Acutally I think Gnome beats the daylights out of both OS X
and
>>XP as a desktop.
>>
>>Oh, I build a PC that ran a goodsized database and serves out half a terabyte
>>of data per day. It's never crashed and has had uptimes of over a year
running
>>XP Server. So don't tell me a PC won't run right if it's set up right.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"A Mac User" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Mike Audet" <mike@mikeF-SPAMaudet.com> wro
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60019 is a reply to message #60013] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 07:38 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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k that's quite true Thad.
> You can convert any drive to NTFS without loosing any data, (just did it).
>
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:43976e4c@linux...
>> Formatting to NTFS would wipe the drive clean, so it would be a good idea
>> to drag all the files to another drive before formatting. Are you
>> running XP SP1 or SP2? Have you tweaked the OS to shut off all non
>> essential services and fluff?
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DAVID P wrote:
>>
>>> can't I change these other fat32 drives to ntfs without formating and do
>>> I
>>> have to worry about losing data. My power suppy is 400 watts.I did a
>>> complete
>>> Paris install with the subsytem as well. I forgot to mention earlier
>>> that
>>> when I started having the problems that I was being prompted to enter a
>>> new
>>> record path when trying to do overdubs.
>>> Thanks, David P
>>>
>>>>Some thoughts below:
>
>all kissies revoked...
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:18:51 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!! Oh man.....truer words.....;o)
>
>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>news:4397795e$1@linux...
>> This is kind of akin to boils and locusts though.... ;-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>> >
>> > The Lord taketh away, the Lord giveth back.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Jamie
>> > http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >
>> >
>> > DJ wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ok .........so I totally lied. Looks like the *^%$&^+*% Mac is gonna
>grow
>> >> some new legs. Just ordered a 2 GHz CPU upgrade and a new HD for this
>'ol
>> >> 133MHz doggiebus POS. Maybe next year I'll go on and do this but
>> >> there's too
>> >> much happening right now to go through the whole rigamarole of
>switching
>> >> OS'es/platforms/buying new compatible PC software, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Never believe a word I say........oh yeah..........and
>> >> BTW............I love
>> >> Macs.
>> >>
>> >> ;o)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:43926a77$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >>> My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer
>to
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> crap
>> >>
>> >>> out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
>> >>> bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole
>> >>> *Macmoneymerrygoround*
>> >>> with such a passion ...........
>> >>>
>> >>> anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>just don't turn it on if other musicians show up as they tend to just
stare at it and nothing gets done.
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:55:01 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
<nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Dude, you forgot the most important piece of allllll......
> the lavalamp. :)
>
>Good to see you 'round here again.
>AA
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43972739$1@linux...
>>
>> You're almost there. You still need
>>
>> - a ferret (two or even three would be better, but one will do, especially
>> if it's a vintage ferret)
>>
>> - an eight ball (for that LA 80's drum sound)
>>
>> - Pele poster (for inspiration)
>>
>> and you should be good.
>>
>> "Greg Bratton" <gregb@seedfaith.org> wrote:
>>>In about a week, I will have completed buying (everything) I think I need
>>
>>>for a real project studio.
>>>
>>>I have:
>>>
>>>Paris 442 + IF2 w/ C16
>>>Mackie 14ch board
>>>Electric Guitars
>>>Acoustic Guitars
>>>Bass Guitar
>>>Guitar Port
>>>Korg N5ex
>>>Drum Soundfont
>>>Cakewalk Sonar
>>>AT4033 Condenser Mic
>>>Isolation Booth (for vocals, acoustics)
>>>Various audio programs (Soundforge, CD Arch)
>>>A slow Pent IV that has seemed to be fast enough to work with all of this
>>>
>>>and will soon have:
>>>
>>>A nice set of reference monitors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My question is, I consider myself more of an artist than a producer,
>>>however....what else do I need???
>>>
>>>My current system is:
>>>1. I program the drums in Sonar using my drum soundfont I like....
>>>2. I add any keyboard tracks in sonar...(piano, organ)
>>>3. With three clicks at the beginning, I import and line up those tracks
>> one
>>>at a time into Paris
>>>4. Usually just record the Bass Guitar direct to Paris
>>>5. I add my Guitar tracks with Guitar Port
>>>6. I record my live tracks in the Iso booth (C16 with long cable is handy
>>
>>>here)
>>>7. I mix down in Paris using mostly the included effects
>>>8. I render out and master in Soundforge
>>>9. I burn CD in CD Architect
>>>
>>>
>>>And hopefully, with the new reference speakers, the CDs will sound good.
>>>
>>>However, when I read the posts on here, I hardly know what a lot of the
>>
>>>equipment I hear talked about even is.
>>>
>>>What I need to know is, is there an area in my studio or process that is
>>
>>>missing that could take me to the next level?
>>>If you inherited this studio, what would you add/change to it?
>>>
>>>I know some of it is based on music styles/personal preferences, however,
>> is
>>>there something here that I am obviously overlooking?
>>>
>>>Thank you for taking the time to read and respond!
>>>Greg Bratton
>>>
>>>
>>
>congrats on the kewl yule tide gift.
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:15:13 -0600, "Chris Latham"
<latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>If you're in the US, BMG label group has just released "Sounds of the
>Season" a country collection, with various artists from the BMG Nashville
>label roster, exclusively for Target stores. It's actually a pretty good
>Christmas record, some old, some new, with some pretty good performances.
>Anyway, Phil Vassar threw me a bone, and let me mix his contribution to the
>record, "Let's Make a Little Christmas Tonight". It's the first mix that
>I've done in Paris that was commercailly released. Everything else I've
>done to date has been mixed on a console. Pray for me over the holidays...
>I'm going to try to migrate one of my rigs to XP.
>
>CL
>nice job! best of luck with xp. i didn't make it, i'm back on win98
so please make a ghost image. Thank god for removeable drives.
John
rick wrote:
> congrats on the kewl yule tide gift.
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 23:15:13 -0600, "Chris Latham"
> <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Hey folks,
>>
>>If you're in the US, BMG label group has just released "Sounds of the
>>Season" a country collection, with various artists from the BMG Nashville
>>label roster, exclusively for Target stores. It's actually a pretty good
>>Christmas record, some old, some new, wit
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60022 is a reply to message #59983] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 08:25 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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threw me a bone, and let me mix his contribution to
the
>record, "Let's Make a Little Christmas Tonight". It's the first mix that
>I've done in Paris that was commercailly released. Everything else I've
>done to date has been mixed on a console. Pray for me over the holidays...
>I'm going to try to migrate one of my rigs to XP.
>
>CL
>
>Cool news, Chris... Good on ya!
Neil
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>If you're in the US, BMG label group has just released "Sounds of the
>Season" a country collection, with various artists from the BMG Nashville
>label roster, exclusively for Target stores. It's actually a pretty good
>Christmas record, some old, some new, with some pretty good performances.
>Anyway, Phil Vassar threw me a bone, and let me mix his contribution to
the
>record, "Let's Make a Little Christmas Tonight". It's the first mix that
>I've done in Paris that was commercailly released. Everything else I've
>done to date has been mixed on a console. Pray for me over the holidays...
>I'm going to try to migrate one of my rigs to XP.
>
>CL
>
>Congratulations!
Rod
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>If you're in the US, BMG label group has just released "Sounds of the
>Season" a country collection, with various artists from the BMG Nashville
>label roster, exclusively for Target stores. It's actually a pretty good
>Christmas record, some old, some new, with some pretty good performances.
>Anyway, Phil Vassar threw me a bone, and let me mix his contribution to
the
>record, "Let's Make a Little Christmas Tonight". It's the first mix that
>I've done in Paris that was commercailly released. Everything else I've
>done to date has been mixed on a console. Pray for me over the holidays...
>I'm going to try to migrate one of my rigs to XP.
>
>CL
>
>Me too. I bought a 9652. I havn't gotten around to selling my Dakota yet.
Rod
"Jon Jiles" <nope@nono.com> wrote:
>
>Me too... about 2 months ago!! Just bought the RME HDSP 9652 and sold my
Dakota/Sierra
>combo.. oh well. Good on you Kim!
>
>Gave up on the Mackie Tracktion experiment too by the way. Nice little program
>but it syncs to nothing consistently.
>
>I'm going with Cubase SX3 on a Gigabyte K8NS 939 Ultra with an Athlon 64
>3200 for my second rig. Thanks again for your help previously, Deej. As
I
>venture bravely into the two DAW approach you and others here are using,
>I'm sure I'll have more questions.
>
>Cheers,
>jj
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>That's very cool man. Wish that had worked for me a couple years back.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Kim W." <no@friggin.way> wrote in message news:43970001$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Was just about ready to buy me an RME card for my Cubase box (running
>>VSTi's)
>>> to slave to Paris via adat sync, and I thought I'd
>>> try my Dakota with the latest incarnation of Cubase SX before kissing
>the
>>> Dak a final goodbye, and, well... IT SYNC'D.
>>> Time and time again, all day. Most solid sync yet.
>>> Boy, what a christmas present!!
>>> Is it a dream?, or will I wake up next to that soak of a drummer again??
>>>
>>
>>
>Congratulations!
Gene
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>If you're in the US, BMG label group has just released "Sounds of the
>Season" a country collection, with various artists from the BMG Nashville
>label roster, exclusively for Target stores. It's actually a pretty good
>Christmas record, some old, some new, with some pretty good performances.
>Anyway, Phil Vassar threw me a bone, and let me mix his contribution to
the
>record, "Let's Make a Little Christmas Tonight". It's the first mix that
>I've done in Paris that was commercailly released. Everything else I've
>done to date has been mixed on a console. Pray for me over the holidays...
>I'm going to try to migrate one of my rigs to XP.
>
>CL
>
>I'm not Thad, and I'm not from England... ;-)
I was actually suggesting a total nuke and pave, much more reliable
than converting a drive.
DAVID, from Canada... eh. ;-)
Martin Harrington wrote:
> I don't think that's quite true Thad.
> You can convert any drive to NTFS without loosing any data, (just did it).
>If you turn it on, they will spend longer in the studio.... you make
more money! :-)
David. (rushing out to buy lava lamps....)
rick wrote:
> just don't turn it on if other musicians show up as they tend to just
> stare at it and nothing gets done.
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:55:01 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
> <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>
>>Dude, you forgot the most important piece of allllll......
>>the lavalamp. :)
>>
>>Good to see you 'round here again.
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43972739$1@linux...
>>
>>>You're almost there. You still need
>>>
>>>- a ferret (two or even three would be better, but one will do, especially
>>>if it's a vintage ferret)
>>>
>>>- an eight ball (for that LA 80's drum sound)
>>>
>>>- Pele poster (for inspiration)
>>>
>>>and you should be good.
>>>
>>>"Greg Bratton" <gregb@seedfaith.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In about a week, I will have completed buying (everything) I think I need
>>>
>>>>for a real project studio.
>>>>
>>>>I have:
>>>>
>>>>Paris 442 + IF2 w/ C16
>>>>Mackie 14ch board
>>>>Electric Guitars
>>>>Acoustic Guitars
>>>>Bass Guitar
>>>>Guitar Port
>>>>Korg N5ex
>>>>Drum Soundfont
>>>>Cakewalk Sonar
>>>>AT4033 Condenser Mic
>>>>Isolation Booth (for vocals, acoustics)
>>>>Various audio programs (Soundforge, CD Arch)
>>>>A slow Pent IV that has seemed to be fast enough to work with all of this
>>>>
>>>>and will soon have:
>>>>
>>>>A nice set of reference monitors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My question is, I consider myself more of an artist than a producer,
>>>>however....what else do I need???
>>>>
>>>>My current system is:
>>>>1. I program the drums in Sonar using my drum soundfont I like....
>>>>2. I add any keyboard tracks in sonar...(piano, organ)
>>>>3. With three clicks at the beginning, I import and line up those tracks
>>>
>>>one
>>>
>>>>at a time into Paris
>>>>4. Usually just record the Bass Guitar direct to Paris
>>>>5. I add my Guitar tracks with Guitar Port
>>>>6. I record my live tracks in the Iso booth (C16 with long cable is handy
>>>
>>>>here)
>>>>7. I mix down in Paris using mostly the included effects
>>>>8. I render out and master in Soundforge
>>>>9. I burn CD in CD Architect
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And hopefully, with the new reference speakers, the CDs will sound good.
>>>>
>>>>However, when I read the posts on here, I hardly know what a lot of the
>>>
>>>>equipment I hear talked about even is.
>>>>
>>>>What I need to know is, is there an area in my studio or process that is
>>>
>>>>missing that could take me to the next level?
>>>>If you inherited this studio, what would you add/change to it?
>>>>
>>>>I know some of it is based on music styles/personal preferences, however,
>>>
>>>is
>>>
>>>>there something here that I am obviously overlooking?
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for taking the time to read and respond!
>>>>Greg Bratton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>SP stands for "Service Pack". SP1 is better for Paris generally, less
background crap going on. Definitely optimize windows, it will make a
big difference
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60024 is a reply to message #59978] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 09:31 |
Mike Audet
Messages: 294
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t;
>Hopefully I'll be able to track at 1.5 ms latency using VSTi's with my
>MAudiio Prostation 88 keyboard. I've been having to track keyboards using
my
>Ensoniq MR Rack to record midi and then add the VSTi later. This has created
>some problems with primadonna keyboard players who get all wierd if they
>can't use Bosendorfer samples, etc. while tracking. what's with the
>musicians anyway ;o)?
>
>I'm going to run it off the existing IDE drives initially, but I'll likely
>get myself a couple or Raptors eventually.
>
>Here goes.....AMI bios and all.
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>news:43934838@linux...
>> Hi DJ,
>>
>> The machine I just built for Nuendo is an A8V Deluxe with an
>> Athlon 64 X2 4800 and 2 gigs of Kingston RAM. I'm liking it
>> so far, but I haven't taxed it yet, so I'm not sure where
>> the break point is. I did a simple test recording 24 tracks
>> at 44.1/24, played those back and recorded 24 more, played
>> all that back and punched in and out repeatedly on the last
>> 24. The CPU indicator in Nuendo didn't get past ONE light.
>> Then I added a bunch of native and UA plus to the tracks
>> (at least 30 plugs, most of them different). I played back
>> the 48 tracks and punched in and out of 24 tracks with the
>> plugs running. The CPU indicator never got past 4 bars.
>> Oh, and I'm only running XP home (not 64), and standard IDE
>> drives! :-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>> > Wife definitely wants to abandon Mac and switch to Windows. I may fix
it
>up,
>> > hang an MBox or an 001 off of it and advertize that I have Pro Tools
>here
>> > ;o}
>> >
>> > My current native audio system is running an AMD XP3000 CPU on a 333MHZ
>> > system bus with 2 x gigs of RAM. Considering the fact that it will be
at
>> > least twice (if not more) s fast as her G4 466 Mac, this will be more
>than
>> > enough for her current needs with Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker,
>etc.
>> >
>> > Since I keep my computers set up on open SenFu test benches in a machine
>> > room, what I'm going to do is buy a good, quiet case, PSU, video card,
>audio
>> > card, CD/DVD player/burner, floppy and a big storage drive for her,
>install
>> > the current system drive, mobo and aforementioned componentry into that,
>> > reformat the drive, reload Win XP (so that she's not running the
>*tweaked to
>> > hell* system I'm running now) and buy her the Adobe software that she
>needs
>> > to be productive.
>> >
>> > Next, I'm going to build another native system. I'm going to need a
>mobo,
>> > RAM and a dual core AMD CPU. I'll be interfacing my audio hardware/UAD-1
>> > cards using a Magma 13 slot chassis so I'm not really concerned about
>the
>> > number of PCI slots. One thing I do want to be able to do is to use
my
>two
>> > existing Matrox G450's (AGP and PCI) Due to this, I am leaning toward
>trying
>> > the ASUS A8V-Deluxe mobo just because I'm familiar with the quirks of
>ASUS,
>> > I know that one of the PCI slots will be hardwired to the AGP and I
know
>> > that since the Matrox cards share the same driver, this *should* work
>nicely
>> > with the host card of the Magma using az PCI slot that (hopefully) isn't
>> > sharing an IRQ with any other device, or at least benignly with
>something
>> > friendly. I'm also going to be going with at least 2 gig of DDR in this
>> > machine.....maybe more. Guess I'll check ASUS' site to see what's
>> > recommended.
>> >
>> > Lastly is the CPU. I want to be able to operate this machine as much
as
>> > possible at low latencies with VSTi's. I've been eyeing the dual core
>3800
>> > CPU's because they are the least expensive right now, but skimping will
>> > defeat the whole purpose of this upgrade.
>> >
>> > Is anyone using an AMD dual core CPU system right now? If so, I'd be
>mighty
>> > interested to hear your experiences before I once again descend into
>> > computer building hell.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>Deeply sorry Dave, ..eh.. p>.)
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:43986266$1@linux...
> I'm not Thad, and I'm not from England... ;-)
>
> I was actually suggesting a total nuke and pave, much more reliable than
> converting a drive.
>
> DAVID, from Canada... eh. ;-)
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>> I don't think that's quite true Thad.
>> You can convert any drive to NTFS without loosing any data, (just did
>> it).
>>I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I saw was very good. I didn't
realize how versatile Jack was either.
They played some of the songs a bit long for me, but I must say that
they still are a very impressive power trio...tight as can be.
-Michele Hobbs
DC wrote:
> Did you guys see the Royal Albert Hall Cream concert?
>
> Here in the US it has been on public TV recently. Dang, those guys
> can still do it. They look like hell, but man they are playing great.
>
> I never realized how truly impressive Jack Bruce's bass playing was
> years ago. During solos, he actually brings them close to great
> jazz with these amazing bass parts.
>
> I really enjoyed that show. Hope you got to see it.
>
> DCHey Dave,
I did get a new 200 gig drive last night and reinstalled xp and did not add
anything other than the video card and started copying from the fat32 drive
to the new drive and the system copied about 20 gig to the new drive and
powered down and started back up and the window error was back. I had no
drivers installed at this time for the video card I was trying to eliminate
everything possible. Any ideals. the error was BCP1: 3CF70020 of course there
are more numbers if needed
Thanks, David
>SP stands for "Service Pack". SP1 is better for Paris generally, less
>background crap going on. Definitely optimize windows, it will make a
>big difference. Do you use this box for anything other than Paris?
>
>As for copying the files over, first try recording some stuff on the
>OS drive with the FAT drive disconnected to see if some of your
>problems go away. The performance should be a bit less, but if it
>seems more stable, tha FAT drives may be causing the problem.
>
>The files should be able to be copied from FAT to NTFS with no
>trouble. If it d
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Tue, 08 November 2005 11:55 |
Sandy Tipping
Messages: 54
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_blank">http://www.creamware.com/
I have thought about these products up against some years now. Saw some
demonstrations in Denmark some years ago. Great stuff in those days but I
buyed Paris for their great "future"plans, as we all know about here when
the future was showing more and more up. I know Creamware was in the same
boat some years ago but was lucky refinanced. A great German system that can
do about "everything" in music recordings, as far as I can see.
Erling
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding news:439947e8$1@linux...
>
> Dear DJ,
> Up to three Pulsars can be used on same computer.
> Each Pulsar can have either the "classic interface" which has 16 Adat I/O
> 2spdif channels I/O two channels of analog in/out and one midi in out
> thru.
> There is also the "ADAT" version which has 24 Adat I/O and two midi in out
> thru.
> So a combination of three "classics would give you 3x16=48 Adat in/out,
> 3x2=
> 6 channels SPDIF in/out and 3x3= 6 channels of audio in out (24bit 96khz)
> That is pretty much what you need , right ?
> But you cannot imagine what extras you get with pulsars.
> First of all top notch digital sound with "Sony oxford algorithm consoles
> !" with module consoles like 48 stereo surround track console ! and you
> can
> use as many...
> You will have 18 Sharc dsps on boards, great 1176 emulation compressor
> (Vinco)
> also very good mastering device "Optimaster" fantastic synthesizers like
> Oberheim, Moog, B3, Odyssey, which are considered the best synths on the
> market now that emulate true analog sound !
> I have them and I know it !
> You can have the VDAT recording package whiuch is an "ADAT" environement
> harddisk recording system with as many channels as you want with up to 32
> bit integer ! not floating ...
> Great effects (all dsp oriented) many midi in outs , you will have 3 midi
> in/out/thru with 3 cards.
> Note that Pulsar is a modular environement with unlimited possiblities.
> For instance you can merge (whith Pulsar module) all midi inputs to drive
> a single destination like a Pro Odyssey synth, or whatever...
> It seems like Paris patchbay but it is totally professional with great
> graphicsGreetings,
Tony Benson has been kind enough to offer his web-site
for hosting some cool PARIS and Audio files etc...
As many of you know - I am always looking for cool and Unique
sounding products that are in the Spirit of this PARIS Community.
I believe the SE Mic company has some really Great Mics that deserve
a listen.
http://www.seelectronics.com/whatsnew.html
Tony will post some MP3 and Wav files that were Recorded By
Roger Nichols for NARAS
( National Academy of Recording Arts and Science )
http://www.rogernichols.com/
Here is the Challenge - there are 5 mics in the Shoot out:
TELEFUNKEN U47
SOUNDELUX U95 (AKG C12)
SE GEMINI
SE 5600A
SE ICIS
These are all Tube Mics - The Telefunken and Soundelux
cost Thousands $$$ More !!
Listen to the Samples - then Properly identify the Mics in order.
http://www.mercysakes.com/paris/Morgan%20Pettinato/Mic%20Con test/
You can open any audio app and imort the wave file in order -
or listen to the NUENDO Mp3 file ( Last one in directory )
Anyone that can Properly identify these Mics will Win -
SE Microphone Deluxe Windscreen $ 59 Value
http://www.seelectronics.com/popscreen.html
Planet Waves Mic Cable $69 Value
http://www.planet-waves.com/Pcablesdetails.aspx?ID=2
Files are posted @
www.mercysakes.com
Good Luck !!
Please send your entry to:
Morgan@Eastcoastmusicmall.com
Any questions - Call or Email me
Morgan
Eastcoast Music Mall
800-901-2001That sounds like a very collectible recording tonehouse. Have you circulated
it as a boot? Are there any other bootleg recordings in circulation from
that date?
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4398f3cf@linux...
> I have a reel-to-reel Tape of The Cream Live Oct 1968,Chastain
Park,Atlanta
> Ga..I was 15..My friend, who owned a music store, knew the sound man,and
he
> let us set up 2 mics and tape it in stereo,at the board position...They
did
> basically the same songs back then,as on the RAH DVD..I assume they also
> taped the MSG concerts in Oct.....The new DVD sounds nothing like the
"old
> Cream"...I totally liked Clapton when he played his Gibson SG (as he did
on
> Live at the Fillmore)..his Strat tones are not nearly as
"psychedelic"..and
> of course the Drums and Bass also sound much cleaner now....Bruce's new
> version of "Train Time" was just awesome...
> "DC" <dc@spamthegrammys.com> wrote in message news:43989adb$1@linux...
> >
> > Did you guys see the Royal Albert Hall Cream concert?
> >
> > Here in the US it has been on public TV recently. Dang, those guys
> > can still do it. They look like hell, but man they are playing great.
> >
> > I never realized how truly impressive Jack Bruce's bass playing was
> > years ago. During solos, he actually brings them close to great
> > jazz with these amazing bass parts.
> >
> > I really enjoyed that show. Hope you got to see it.
> >
> > DC
>
>There are sometimes you have a device like an AD converter or an external
hardware device that although it has digitalins outs it does not have any
wordclock in/out.
I suggest Behringer's old SRC-2000 dejitter,converter unit that has wordclock
input so you can put the digital signal first into that device and have it
reclock to desired 44.1khz and then take its spdif to Paris.
Another nice addition is Soundpals ADAT3 and 4.
This is a AES/EBU to ADAT converter with wordclock in out.
I picked both at ebay at a very very nice price.
So I can take the AES out of my DBX 376 the AES of AES 386 and the AES of
SRC-2000 that accepts a great self made crystal AD converter of 120 db
dynamic range ! spdif's out and sends all these aes/ebu signals to ADAT and
inside Paris.
Note that Soundpal's Adat4 is a ADAT to AES converter and both are 20 bits
!!
I guess these have been made for Paris adat cards !
Regards,
DimitriosHi Neil,
I don't think there's any way to know how much I lose for not
having PT. I sometimes wonder how much business I lose for
not having a Steinway too (I have a Baldwin...). I do, in fact,
have PT LE w/ a Digi 002. When people ask, I tell them that I
have Protools and Digital Performer, but I usually use Paris
because it sounds better.
Maybe business is just off in general. I've actually been taking
some courses in video production and engineering. Could be
time for a career change!
By the way... My website is finally back. No audio samples
yet, and it still needs some work, but here 'tis:
http://gizmorecording.com/
Gantt
Neil wrote:
> Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>
> >I know I've lost business for not being a Protools
> >studio, but PT HD would cost a couple of arms and legs.
>
> Is there any way to calculate/estimate how much $$$ you lose
> over the course of a year for not having an HD system? If so,
> then would that equate to sufficiently more than the annual
> cost of it would cost you to financing or leasing one? If that
> turns out to be the case, that might be a good investment
> simply becasue it'll help put more bucks in your pocket.
>
> Another alternative might be getting an LE system with the
> Digi-002... the convertors on those aren't as good as the ones
> you'd get with an HD rig, but they don't completely suck, and
> it would allow you to bring in PT projects for overdubs, or
> even start projects off with basic tracks & the client might
> then go to another studio with a bigger PT rig for completion
> & mixdown.
>
> Not that I'm a newly-minted PT fan, but I'm just thinking in
> practical terms.
>
> NeilNo C1 for comparison? harumph elitists !
Morgan wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Tony Benson has been kind enough to offer his web-site
> for hosting some cool PARIS and Audio files etc...
>
> As many of you know - I am always looking for cool and Unique
> sounding products that are in the Spirit of this PARIS Community.
>
> I believe the SE Mic company has some really Great Mics that deserve
> a listen.
>
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Tue, 08 November 2005 15:53 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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hause" <volthause-nospam-@soldrocks-nospam-.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9727795792639volthause@202.63.37.102...
>I feel like I may have appeased the gods by offering up my power supply as
> a sacrafice.
>
> Who knows...
>
> -scott v
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in news:4399b406$1@linux:
>
>> Sometimes the old Cosmic Computer Geek smiles down favorably on us and
>> we must give thanks...
>>
>> Otherwise next time.....
>>
>> Don
>>
>>I've been using NoLimit on the master bus since the Chunkworks released it.
Me likey. I usually apply this after I've done the mix, just to get the
level up to compete bit. I don't smash it hard though. I hate listening to
most commercial rock because all the life has been sucked out by over
compression. I got an instructional DVD "Mix It Like A Record" recently, and
the engineer likes to mix with two bus compression applied at the out set.
His logic is that many of his mix decisions would change with the
compression off, and it's going to be compressed after mixing anyway, so . .
.. I'm not totally convinced yet, but am going to experiment with it both
ways. My amateur two cents.
Tony
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43999fdc$1@linux...
>
> Trying to get a feel for how many people use 2 bus compression
> here.I'm more interested in hardware recommendations,but would
> be curious about software too.
> Looking at the the old SSL384,Alan Smart,API 2500,or maybe
> Pendulum Audio too;or whatever.
> Thinking of using this with the Neve VR60 I'll be using,but
> also possibly with PARIS or PT.
>
> Thanks,
> PeteTony,I've been pretty much doing NoLimit on the master bus too;
seems to work pretty well.Just curious what other people were
doing;especially if anyone was using any hardware compression.
Thanks,
Pete
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>I've been using NoLimit on the master bus since the Chunkworks released
it.
>Me likey. I usually apply this after I've done the mix, just to get the
>level up to compete bit. I don't smash it hard though. I hate listening
to
>most commercial rock because all the life has been sucked out by over
>compression. I got an instructional DVD "Mix It Like A Record" recently,
and
>the engineer likes to mix with two bus compression applied at the out set.
>His logic is that many of his mix decisions would change with the
>compression off, and it's going to be compressed after mixing anyway, so
. .
>. I'm not totally convinced yet, but am going to experiment with it both
>ways. My amateur two cents.
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:43999fdc$1@linux...
>>
>> Trying to get a feel for how many people use 2 bus compression
>> here.I'm more interested in hardware recommendations,but would
>> be curious about software too.
>> Looking at the the old SSL384,Alan Smart,API 2500,or maybe
>> Pendulum Audio too;or whatever.
>> Thinking of using this with the Neve VR60 I'll be using,but
>> also possibly with PARIS or PT.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pete
>
>I use the EDS comp and NoLimit on the Master.
EDS is usually set around 2 or 2.5 to 1, and I aim for about 6dB of
compression on the peaks, depending on the song. I'm looking for more gel,
but also a little bit of energy / slight pumping.
NoLimit is set pretty conservatively, usually -2 db. Anything more than
that puts a hard cruncy edge on stuff that I usually don't like.
Most of what I'm doing is moderate to heavy rock mixes, and I find that the
comp/limit combo does influence my mix decisions for the better.
-scott v
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:4399c3ce$1@linux:
>
> Tony,I've been pretty much doing NoLimit on the master bus too;
> seems to work pretty well.Just curious what other people were
> doing;especially if anyone was using any hardware compression.
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
>This looks like a very nice system. Sort of like what we were all hoping
Paris would become. I remember hearing some pretty ugly stories about
Creamware drivers not working well but that was many years ago. Thanks for
the heads up about this.
Deej
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:439947e8$1@linux...
>
> Dear DJ,
> Up to three Pulsars can be used on same computer.
> Each Pulsar can have either the "classic interface" which has 16 Adat I/O
> 2spdif channels I/O two channels of analog in/out and one midi in out
thru.
> There is also the "ADAT" version which has 24 Adat I/O and two midi in out
> thru.
> So a combination of three "classics would give you 3x16=48 Adat in/out,
3x2=
> 6 channels SPDIF in/out and 3x3= 6 channels of audio in out (24bit 96khz)
> That is pretty much what you need , right ?
> But you cannot imagine what extras you get with pulsars.
> First of all top notch digital sound with "Sony oxford algorithm consoles
> !" with module consoles like 48 stereo surround track console ! and you
can
> use as many...
> You will have 18 Sharc dsps on boards, great 1176 emulation compressor
(Vinco)
> also very good mastering device "Optimaster" fantastic synthesizers like
> Oberheim, Moog, B3, Odyssey, which are considered the best synths on the
> market now that emulate true analog sound !
> I have them and I know it !
> You can have the VDAT recording package whiuch is an "ADAT" environement
> harddisk recording system with as many channels as you want with up to 32
> bit integer ! not floating ...
> Great effects (all dsp oriented) many midi in outs , you will have 3 midi
> in/out/thru with 3 cards.
> Note that Pulsar is a modular environement with unlimited possiblities.
> For instance you can merge (whith Pulsar module) all midi inputs to drive
> a single destination like a Pro Odyssey synth, or whatever...
> It seems like Paris patchbay but it is totally professional with great
graphics"DC" <dc@spamthegrammys.com> wrote:
>
>GRRRR! Grammys still suck! The public gets another year of
>worthless crap stuffed down our throats with no end in sight...
Part of this is corruption, part of it is that visual aspects have overwhelmed
the musical component of most of the popular acts. I never watch awards
programs, but forced myself to watch a bit of the MTV show last week. It
was all about dancing, and very little about music. If they held these shows
as radio programs, there would be almost no content.If anyone is interested, a couple of weeks ago I updated DJ's folder at
www.mercysakes.com/paris/vault with mp3's of the Broke Mountain Bluegrass
sessions. Good stuff! Click on the Doug Joyce link. Read the "read me" files
for the down low! ;>)
Thanks,
TonyHey Morgen
Have you got prices on these new mics?
Don
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43999c51$1@linux...
> No C1 for comparison? harumph elitists !
>
> Morgan wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Tony Benson has been kind enough to offer his web-site
>> for hosting some cool PARIS and Audio files etc...
>>
>> As many of you know - I am always looking for cool and Unique
>> sounding products that are in the Spirit of this PARIS Community.
&
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60048 is a reply to message #60022] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 20:05 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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Mixer-A-Insert Return10
> MEC-Master-A Digital Out Left connects to Mixer-A-Insert Send10
> Select "External" on the EDS insert on the source channel.
>
> You can do the same thing with an ADAT card by looping the in and out with
> a lightpipe cable, but it will be 16 bit only. Also, you can save Patch
> Bay setups in your default song for all your likely bouncing scenarios.HI there..This is not about PARIS MIDI,but MIDI in general..I have a
MIDISPORT MIDI to USB input into my computer..I have
Tracktion,Cubase...Trying to overdub in realtime is impossible..there's a
1/2 second of latency(or more)...I have tried the software settings to
compensate,but no improvement...Any other ideas? I am using an old Yamaha
synth for input...Would a new controller help?Do all the USB type inputs,do
this?...thanks...tonehouseThis show has been running on PBS stations. The sound is excellent by Broadcast
TV standards and one of the main reasons is the wide use of DPA/B&K 4060/4061
Miniature Condenser Microphones. I have owned a pair of these for several
years, and I am always surprised that they don’t get more attention from
the general recording sector.
I use mine primarily with a dummy head for binaural recordings, but I have
found these to be quite good in a variety of high end uses. If you watch
the broadcast and look close, you will see the mics used for all the vocals
as well as all the solo instruments. It’s not always easy to spot the mics,
since they are a little smaller than a pencil eraser.
DPA had/has a CD with recordings of a variety of string, brass, percussion,
vocals, etc. using the mic and the CD is a real “eye-opener”. (I don’t know
if the CD is still available.)
The small size requires careful handling and I wouldn’t recommend purchasing
a used set without some return warrantee, but even at the new purchase price,
I consider these among the better mics I have ever used. I made my own mic
clips using 10-cent plastic spring clips.
In the studio I find musicians take me more seriously if I put up a large
dummy mike when I am using 4060s.
http://www.soundpure.com/showProduct.do?id=453
Review of DPA 4060: EQ Magazine
DPA4060 by Mike Sokol
I must confess to an infatuation with Brüel & Kjær mics. I first used B&K
mics many years ago as part of an OSHA test for noise levels in a noisy factory,
and occasionally saw them used in the studio. They always were a little too
expensive for my budget, so I figured that maybe someday Santa would bring
me a pair. Well, Christmas came a little early this year, 'cause I was sent
a pair of DPA4060's to audition. (Yes, I was a very good boy.) And the price
is so reasonable that every project studio can afford a pair.
Although designed as a miniature vocal mic to be hidden on the face or chest
of on-the-air talent, they work surprisingly well for acoustic instruments.
And since acoustic instrument miking's my main gig, I tried them on different
instruments in the studio and in live performance.
The DPA capsule is smaller than a pencil eraser. Two different protection
grids are supplied: one gives you a 3-dB boost in the 8-20 kHz range, while
the other gives you a 10-dB boost at 12 kHz. The boosts are designed to provide
natural sound when the mics are mounted on a performer in either the head
or chest position. You can, though, also use the grid on instrument miking
to get three different-sounding mics for the price of one. I like the short
grid for most instruments, because it gives you a slight "tilt" in the 8-20
kHz range that you usually expect from a condenser mic. The mics also feature
another interesting design feature: the MicroDot connector system. A tiny
thread-on plug allows you to securely attach a variety of connectors such
as 3-pin XLR, 3-pin Lemo, or Switchcraft TA4F (18 different types in all).
This useful feature effectively multiplies your mic inventory since you can
use the same microphone element on a variety of RF body packs or XLR preamps.
Three sensitivity levels are available: the DPA4060 (134-dB SPL peak); DPA4061
(144-dB SPL peak); and DPA4062 (154-dB SPL peak). I was sent the most sensitive
version (the DPA4060) and was unable to overload them with the instruments
I tried. Really loud situations, however, might require the built-in padding
of the 4061 or 4062. And for the cosmetically inclined, you can get them
in black, beige, or white. A point that, while unimportant to most studios,
is important for on-air talent (...lights, cameras, action!).
I tried them on acoustic piano and guitar in the studio, and the sound
was surprisingly natural considering the small element. But the DPA4060 got
the MVT Award (Most Valuable Transducer) from me at a live/recording concert
with Celtic musician Robin Bullock. The C-Ducer contact pickup in his Cittern
(sort of a round-back, Celtic mandolin) went noisy without a spare in the
house. We simply taped a DPA4060 near the sound hole, and the sound was fantastic.
There was plenty of gain before feedback, and none of the bass build-up you
can get with a cardioid mic. Plus, there was none of the brittle string tone
you often get with a contact pickup. In fact he liked it so much, I loaned
him one to take next week on a quick Paris/Germany tour.
The only thing that's needed to make the system complete is a good mounting
system for instruments. For piano, a pair of soda straws make acceptable
mini-booms, and some double-sided tape works for acoustic guitar, but these
are jury-rigs at best that won't make it on the live stage. No, what's needed
is a variety of clips and mini-booms that can be attached to violins, guitars,
dulcimers, and banjos. Yes, these mics would be right at home with the Celtic
and Bluegrass crowd if only there were a quick mounting system that didn't
require duct tape.
So if you like the sonic integrity of using B&K mics, but used to faint at
the price, try out the DPA4060's. They offer a champagne sound to those on
a beer budget. Bottom line: A real value, offering tremendous sonic bang
for the buck.
MANUFACTURER:
DPA Microphones (formerly known as Bruel & Kjaer). Distributed by TGI North
America, 300 Gage Avenue, Unit 1, Kitchner, Ontario, Canada N2M 2C8. Tel:
519-745-1158. Web: www.dpamicrophones.com
APPLICATION:
Miniature voice/performance microphones that also can be used for acoustic
instrument miking.
SUMMARY:
Brings legendary B&K sound within price range of every studio.
STRENGTHS:
Connection adapters allow mics to be used with a variety of RF body packs
or standard XLR inputs; different protection grids are supplied that provide
acoustical equalization for different mic positions on a performer.
WEAKNESSES:
No mounts supplied (please don't make me use duct tape again); omni pattern
only.This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>This show has been running on PBS stations. The sound is excellent by Broadcast
>TV standards and one of the main reasons is the wide use of DPA/B&K 4060/4061
>Miniature Condenser Microphones. I have owned a pair of these for several
>years, and I am always surprised that they don’t get more attention from
>the general recording sector.
>I use mine primarily with a dummy head for binaural recordings, but I have
>found these to be quite good in a variety of high end uses. If you watch
>the broadcast and look close, you will see the mics used for all the vocals
>as well as all the solo instruments. It’s not always easy to spot the mics,
>since they are a little smaller than a pencil eraser.
>DPA had/has a CD with recordings of a variety of string, brass, percussion,
>vocals, etc. using the mic and the CD is a real “eye-opener”. (I don’t know
>if the CD is still available.)
>The small size requires careful handling and I wouldn’t recommend purchasing
>a used set without some return warrantee, but even at the new purchase price,
>I consider these among the better mics I have ever used. I made my own mic
>clips using 10-cent plastic spring clips.
>In the studio I find musicians take me more seriously if I put up a large
>dummy mike when I am using 4060s.
>
>
>http://www.soundpure.com/showProduct.do?id=453
>
>
>Review of DPA 4060: EQ Magazine
>
> DPA4060 by Mike Sokol
> I must confess to an infatuation with Brüel & Kjær mics. I first used B&K
>mics many years ago as part of an OSHA test for noise levels in a noisy
factory,
>and occasionally saw them used in the studio. They always were a little
too
>expensive for my budget, so I figured that maybe someday Santa would bring
>me a pair. Well, Christmas came a little early this year, 'cause I was sent
>a pair of DPA4060's to audition. (Yes, I was a very good boy.) And the price
>is so reasonable that every project studio can afford a pair.
>
>Although designed as a miniature vocal mic to be hidden on the face or chest
>of on-the-air talent, they work surprisingly well for acoustic instruments.
>And since acoustic instrument miking's my main gig, I tried them on different
>instruments in the studio and in live performance.
>
>The DPA capsule is smaller than a pencil eraser. Two different protection
>grids are supplied: one gives you a 3-dB boost in the 8-20 kHz range, while
>the other gives you a 10-dB boost at 12 kHz. The boosts are designed to
provide
>natural sound when the mics are mounted on a performer in either the head
>or chest position. You can, though, also use the grid on instrument miking
>to get three different-sounding mics for the price of one. I like the short
>grid for most instruments, because it gives you a slight "tilt" in the 8-20
>kHz range that you usually expect from a condenser mic. The mics also feature
>another interesting design feature: the MicroDot connector system. A tiny
>thread-on plug allows you to securely attach a variety of connectors such
>as 3-pin XLR, 3-pin Lemo, or Switchcraft TA4F (18 different types in all).
>This useful feature effectively multiplies your mic inventory since you
can
>use the same microphone element on a variety of RF body packs or XLR preamps.
>
>Three sensitivity levels are available: the DPA4060 (134-dB SPL peak); DPA4061
>(144-dB SPL peak); and DPA4062 (154-dB SPL peak). I was sent the most sensitive
>version (the DPA4060) and was unable to overload them with the instruments
>I tried. Really loud situations, however, might require the built-in padding
>of the 4061 or 4062. And for the cosmetically
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Wed, 09 November 2005 06:44 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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nt strokes for different folks, I guess.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:439c2a4d@linux...
>I was testing Rendering last night and Render appears to work. My notes
>say it doesn't. Can anyone enlighten me on the status of Render? From the
>Editor window Render to Selection without Native Effects and Render to
>Selection WITH Native Effects both appear o work. So, what is your
>experience with Render?
>
>
> I also tried the SPDIF trick listed below and it worked for 1 track but
> when I tried a stereo track (two tracks) with Native effects crossing them
> when I add the 2nd EDS External effect I get an Insert error but the
> Render still appears to work. So, tell me what works for you guys please.
>
> Can you render Native, EDS and EQ? Is that possible?
>
> Here's my SPDIF notes:
>
>
> SPDIF Rendering
> --------------------------
> Patchbay workaround for bouncing tracks and rendering plugins
>
> Tired of zeroing/clearing a mix to bounce a track or tracks to a new file?
> Or wish you could render native plugins while listening and adjusting in
> context. No problem.
>
> Open the Patch Bay. Clear all your SPDIF I/O connections. Physically (as
> in, on the back of your Paris 442 or MEC) loop your Paris SPDIF in to your
> Paris SPDIF out with a short cable. Go back to the Patch Bay.
>
> In the Patch Bay, connect the "Mixer Insert" SEND of the source channel
> for the bounce to the left SPDIF output (dL) on your 442 or MEC. Connect
> the SPDIF left input (dL) back to the same channel's "Mixer Insert" Return
> to complete the loop. Now connect the same left SPDIF output to the
> "Submixer Input" of the Destination channel you want to bounce/record to.
> Select "External" on the EDS insert on the source channel.
>
> Enable Record on the Destination channel. That's it. Bounce away. You can
> use your mixer normally while you bounce with no ill effect. And in a case
> of good fortune, since the EDS inserts are after the native inserts, any
> active plugins will be printed while bouncing. Great for rendering
> AutoTune or various other plugin settings for different song sections. For
> the price of time and disk space, you have unlimited plugins.
>
> Example. You have a track on track 10 and you want to render this to
> track 11. In the Patchbay:
> Mixer-A channel 11 connects to MEC-Master-A Digital In Left
> MEC-Master-A Digital In Left connects to Mixer-A-Insert Return10
> MEC-Master-A Digital Out Left connects to Mixer-A-Insert Send10
> Select "External" on the EDS insert on the source channel.
>
> You can do the same thing with an ADAT card by looping the in and out with
> a lightpipe cable, but it will be 16 bit only. Also, you can save Patch
> Bay setups in your default song for all your likely bouncing scenarios.Some of my favorite tracks I've gotten with upright bass in a
jazz setting have included sticking an Earthwoks QTC1 up under
the bridge.The QTC1 is omni so you get bleed,but its jazz and
gives a nice woody sound.But then you have to make sure you get
the mic nice and snug so it doesn't slide in the foam or whatever
you wrap it in;and keep the cord out of the players way.
Seems like this could be a nice alternative(I just saw the pic
of it).
Pete
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>This show has been running on PBS stations. The sound is excellent by Broadcast
>TV standards and one of the main reasons is the wide use of DPA/B&K 4060/4061
>Miniature Condenser Microphones. I have owned a pair of these for several
>years, and I am always surprised that they don’t get more attention from
>the general recording sector.
>I use mine primarily with a dummy head for binaural recordings, but I have
>found these to be quite good in a variety of high end uses. If you watch
>the broadcast and look close, you will see the mics used for all the vocals
>as well as all the solo instruments. It’s not always easy to spot the mics,
>since they are a little smaller than a pencil eraser.
>DPA had/has a CD with recordings of a variety of string, brass, percussion,
>vocals, etc. using the mic and the CD is a real “eye-opener”. (I don’t know
>if the CD is still available.)
>The small size requires careful handling and I wouldn’t recommend purchasing
>a used set without some return warrantee, but even at the new purchase price,
>I consider these among the better mics I have ever used. I made my own mic
>clips using 10-cent plastic spring clips.
>In the studio I find musicians take me more seriously if I put up a large
>dummy mike when I am using 4060s.
>
>
>http://www.soundpure.com/showProduct.do?id=453
>
>
>Review of DPA 4060: EQ Magazine
>
> DPA4060 by Mike Sokol
> I must confess to an infatuation with Brüel & Kjær mics. I first used B&K
>mics many years ago as part of an OSHA test for noise levels in a noisy
factory,
>and occasionally saw them used in the studio. They always were a little
too
>expensive for my budget, so I figured that maybe someday Santa would bring
>me a pair. Well, Christmas came a little early this year, 'cause I was sent
>a pair of DPA4060's to audition. (Yes, I was a very good boy.) And the price
>is so reasonable that every project studio can afford a pair.
>
>Although designed as a miniature vocal mic to be hidden on the face or chest
>of on-the-air talent, they work surprisingly well for acoustic instruments.
>And since acoustic instrument miking's my main gig, I tried them on different
>instruments in the studio and in live performance.
>
>The DPA capsule is smaller than a pencil eraser. Two different protection
>grids are supplied: one gives you a 3-dB boost in the 8-20 kHz range, while
>the other gives you a 10-dB boost at 12 kHz. The boosts are designed to
provide
>natural sound when the mics are mounted on a performer in either the head
>or chest position. You can, though, also use the grid on instrument miking
>to get three different-sounding mics for the price of one. I like the short
>grid for most instruments, because it gives you a slight "tilt" in the 8-20
>kHz range that you usually expect from a condenser mic. The mics also feature
>another interesting design feature: the MicroDot connector system. A tiny
>thread-on plug allows you to securely attach a variety of connectors such
>as 3-pin XLR, 3-pin Lemo, or Switchcraft TA4F (18 different types in all).
>This useful feature effectively multiplies your mic inventory since you
can
>use the same microphone element on a variety of RF body packs or XLR preamps.
>
>Three sensitivity levels are available: the DPA4060 (134-dB SPL peak); DPA4061
>(144-dB SPL peak); and DPA4062 (154-dB SPL peak). I was sent the most sensitive
>version (the DPA4060) and was unable to overload them with the instruments
>I tried. Really loud situations, however, might require the built-in padding
>of the 4061 or 4062. And for the cosmetically inclined, you can get them
>in black, beige, or white. A point that, while unimportant to most studios,
>is important for on-air talent (...lights, cameras, action!).
>
>
> I tried them on acoustic piano and guitar in the studio, and the sound
>was surprisingly natural considering the small element. But the DPA4060
got
>the MVT Award (Most Valuable Transducer) from me at a live/recording concert
>with Celtic musician Robin Bullock. The C-Ducer contact pickup in his Cittern
>(sort of a round-back, Celtic mandolin) went noisy without a spare in the
>house. We simply taped a DPA4060 near the sound hole, and the sound was
fantastic.
>There was plenty of gain before feedback, and none of the bass build-up
you
>can get with a cardioid mic. Plus, there was none of the brittle string
tone
>you often get with a contact pickup. In fact he liked it so much, I loaned
>him one to take next week on a quick Paris/Germany tour.
>
>The only thing that's needed to make the system complete is a good mounting
>system for instruments. For piano, a pair of soda straws make acceptable
>mini-booms, and some double-sided tape works for acoustic guitar, but these
>are jury-rigs at best that won't make it on the live stage. No, what's needed
>is a variety of clips and mini-booms that can be attached to violins, guitars,
>dulcimers, and banjos. Yes, these mics would be right at home with the Celtic
>and Bluegrass crowd if only there were a quick mounting system that didn't
>require duct tape.
>
>So if you like the sonic integrity of using B&K mics, but used to faint
at
>the price, try out the DPA4060's. They offer a champagne sound to those
on
>a beer budget. Bottom line: A real value, offering tremendous sonic bang
>for the buck.
>
>MANUFACTURER:
>DPA Microphones (formerly known as Bruel & Kjaer). Distributed by TGI North
>America, 300 Gage Avenue, Unit 1, Kitchner, Ontario, Canada N2M 2C8. Tel:
>519-745-1158. Web: www.dpamicrophones.com
>APPLICATION:
>Miniature voice/performance microphones that also can be used for acoustic
>instrument miking.
>SUMMARY:
>Brings legendary B&K sound within price range of every studio.
>STRENGTHS:
>Connection adapters allow mics to be used with a variety of RF body packs
>or standard XLR inputs; different protection grids are supplied that provide
>acoustical equalization for different mic positions on a performer.
>WEAKNESSES:
>No mounts supplied (please don't make me use duct tape again); omni pattern
>only.
>
>
>Hi Bill,
I'll post the order Monday Morning :)
So Far - No one has been able to pick the right order -
I'll make it easy -
The U47 is considered to be the Holy Grail
Just Pick the U47a - and the Prize is yours !!
Morgan
Bill Lorentzen wrote:
> So how do we find out which is which?
>
> Bill L
>
> "Morgan" <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:43997c34$1@linux...
>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>Tony Benson has been kind enough to offer his web-site
>>for hosting some cool PARIS and Audio files etc...
>>
>>As many of you know - I am always looking for cool and Unique
>>sounding products that are in the Spirit of this PARIS Community.
>>
>>I believe the SE Mic company has some really Great Mics that deserve
>>a listen.
>>http://www.seelectronics.com/whatsnew.html
>>
>>
>>Tony will post some MP3 and Wav files that were Recorded By
>>Roger Nichols for NARAS
>>( National Academy of Recording Arts and Science )
>>http://www.rogernichols.com/
>>
>>Here is the Challenge - there are 5 mics in the Shoot out:
>>TELEFUNKEN U47
>>SOUNDELUX U95 (AKG C12)
>>SE GEMINI
>>SE 5600A
>>SE ICIS
>>
>>These are all Tube Mics - The Telefunken and Soundelux
>>cost Thousands $$$ More !!
>>
>>Listen to the Samples - then Properly identify the Mics in order.
>>
>> http://www.mercysakes.com/paris/Morgan%20Pettinato/Mic%20Con test/
>>
>>You can open any audio app and imort the wave file in order -
>>or listen to the NUENDO Mp3 file ( Last one in directory )
>>
>>Anyone that can Properly identify these Mics will Win -
>>
>>SE Microphone Deluxe Windscreen $ 59 Value
>>http://www.seelectronics.com/popscreen.html
>>Planet Waves Mic Cable $69 Value
>>http://www.planet-waves.com/Pcablesdetails.aspx?ID=2
>>
>>Files are posted @
>>www.mercysakes.com
>>
>>Good Luck !!
>>
>>
>>Please send your entry to:
>>Morgan@Eastcoastmusicmall.com
>>
>>Any questions - Call or Email me
>>
>>Morgan
>>Eastcoast Music Mall
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Wed, 09 November 2005 06:50 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
Registered: October 2005
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ar .
Listen to the files and guess which one is the
Holy grail of mics - the U47 :)
http://www.mercysakes.com/paris/Morgan%20Pettinato/Mic%20Con test/
Good Luck - Prizes will still stand !
info on my previous post ( Listening challenge @ the File vault )
MorganLetsee.....over the last couple of days, while channel surfing, I've run
across Dawn Of The Dead, Night Of The Living Dead, Day Of The Dead, Shawn Of
The Dead and a very bizarre and disturbing flick called Resident Evil.
Is it just me or does this seem like some pretty bizarre and arguably
inappropriate programming for the holiday season?........then again....at
least I'm not watching the 400754th rerun of It's a wonderful Life.....yet.
Maybe I'm just old and out of touch.
;oPAnd "Wolf Creek" releases Christmas day...
Eat your turkey and go watch a horror flick...great way to celebrate the
birth of a savior.
:-(
JH
DJ wrote:
> Letsee.....over the last couple of days, while channel surfing, I've run
> across Dawn Of The Dead, Night Of The Living Dead, Day Of The Dead, Shawn Of
> The Dead and a very bizarre and disturbing flick called Resident Evil.
>
> Is it just me or does this seem like some pretty bizarre and arguably
> inappropriate programming for the holiday season?........then again....at
> least I'm not watching the 400754th rerun of It's a wonderful Life.....yet.
>
> Maybe I'm just old and out of touch.
>
> ;oP
>
>I saw something even more frightening tonight fellas..........
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.... a very brady christmas....
<shivers>
AA
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:439d352b@linux...
> And "Wolf Creek" releases Christmas day...
>
> Eat your turkey and go watch a horror flick...great way to celebrate the
> birth of a savior.
>
> :-(
>
> JH
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Letsee.....over the last couple of days, while channel surfing, I've run
>> across Dawn Of The Dead, Night Of The Living Dead, Day Of The Dead, Shawn
>> Of
>> The Dead and a very bizarre and disturbing flick called Resident Evil.
>>
>> Is it just me or does this seem like some pretty bizarre and arguably
>> inappropriate programming for the holiday season?........then again....at
>> least I'm not watching the 400754th rerun of It's a wonderful
>> Life.....yet.
>>
>> Maybe I'm just old and out of touch.
>>
>> ;oP
>>now that's a horror movie; those others imho are just pretenders.
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 02:44:05 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
<nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I saw something even more frightening tonight fellas..........
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>... a very brady christmas....
><shivers>
>AA
>
>
>"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:439d352b@linux...
>> And "Wolf Creek" releases Christmas day...
>>
>> Eat your turkey and go watch a horror flick...great way to celebrate the
>> birth of a savior.
>>
>> :-(
>>
>> JH
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> Letsee.....over the last couple of days, while channel surfing, I've run
>>> across Dawn Of The Dead, Night Of The Living Dead, Day Of The Dead, Shawn
>>> Of
>>> The Dead and a very bizarre and disturbing flick called Resident Evil.
>>>
>>> Is it just me or does this seem like some pretty bizarre and arguably
>>> inappropriate programming for the holiday season?........then again....at
>>> least I'm not watching the 400754th rerun of It's a wonderful
>>> Life.....yet.
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm just old and out of touch.
>>>
>>> ;oP
>>>Hey all. I little while back my paris computer failed. I bought a new motherboard,
CPU and memory (Pent 4). After getting all back together, I noticed that
my computer was louder! So I researched and read some good reviews on teh
Antec Sonata. I bought one and anxiously transferred everything to the new
case. Got to the last component, the Paris EDS card and guess what? Yep,
it don't fit. Sheesh! There is an open area on the case's bottom slot to
allow the card, but my motherboard (Epox) is a small factor and only has
3 PCI slots and it don't go down that far.
Now I really love this case. It IS very quiet and I like how components are
installed easily. Internal drives are installed with rubber washers, etc.
So I want to definately keep this case... especially since I paid almost
a hundred for it!
My options: As most of you know there are a few external PCI boxes that
allow using PCI cards. But they are so expensive. I scratch my head why
they would charge double the cost of a bare bones computer for this... Anyway,
perhaps I found another alternative. As I stated, the EDS card would fit
in the bottom case lot, but wouldn't go into a motherboard PCI slot. I found
a company that sells PCI extenders. I wrote to them and STILL waiting for
their reply, but is anyone familiar with these products?
http://www.risercardshop.com/items~CartId~%7B35EED1B9-E142-4 35C-8CFB-B4EVEREST819EF82CC5%7D~Cc~PCI32~iTpStatus~0~Tp~~Bc~ .asp
I want to mount the EDS card in my case's bottom slot and perhaps use one
of these items to extend from the motherboard. Will this work or has anyone
tried this? I believe I need a certain voltage too. Anyone know what voltage
the EDS card is? Or has anyone found an alternative to the PCI external?
Thanks... ~ EdAhh, Deja Vu.
Yep, I too bought the Sonata, and it ended up being the case for
my Cubase box.
I toyed with the idea of ripping out the lower drive bays, so I could fit
my EDS's (4 of them), but in the end it was all too hard.
Rip out the power supply and stick it in your existing box.
(Antec supplies are quiet.) I doubt whether you'd notice the noise difference.
With one EDS card, I'm sure heat build-up won't be an issue,
so don't even worry about the 5 1/4" case fan.
Good Luck.
Kim
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Hey all. I little while back my paris computer failed. I bought a new motherboard,
>CPU and memory (Pent 4). After getting all back together, I noticed that
>my computer was louder! So I researched and read some good reviews on teh
>Antec Sonata. I bought one and anxiously transferred everything to the new
>case. Got to the last component, the Paris EDS card and guess what? Yep,
>it don't fit. Sheesh! There is an open area on the case's bottom slot
to
>allow the card, but my motherboard (Epox) is a small factor and only has
>3 PCI slots and it don't go down that far.
>
>Now I really love this case. It IS very quiet and I like how components
are
>installed easily. Internal drives are installed with rubber washers, etc.
> So I want to definately keep this case... especially since I paid almost
>a hundred for it!
>
>My options: As most of you know there are a few external PCI boxes that
>allow using PCI cards. But they are so expensive. I scratch my head why
>they would charge double the cost of a bare bones computer for this...
Anyway,
>perhaps I found another alternative. As I stated, the EDS card would fit
>in the bottom case lot, but wouldn't go into a motherboard PCI slot. I
found
>a company that sells PCI extenders. I wrote to them and STILL waiting for
>their reply, but is anyone familiar with these products?
>
> http://www.risercardshop.com/items~CartId~%7B35EED1B9-E142-4 35C-8CFB-B4EVEREST819EF82CC5%7D~Cc~PCI32~iTpStatus~0~Tp~~Bc~ .asp
>
>I want to mount the EDS card in my case's bottom slot and perhaps use one
>of these items to extend from the motherboard. Will this work or has anyone
>tried this? I believe I need a certain voltage too. Anyone know what voltage
>the EDS card is? Or has anyone found an alternative to the PCI external?
> Thanks... ~ Ed
>Hi Kim. You probably don't remember me too well, but I been around on here
for a number of years. Mostly lurking and had various usernames... anyway,
my question was mainly about the products from risercardshop.com. I was
hoping someone was familiar with their products. Yes, I am only using one
EDS card. My last resource is to either pay the ridiculous price for an external
PCI box or buy a hand tool metal cutter and cut out a hole for the one card.
Since you are familiar with the case, and you agree that tearing out internal
drive bay would be difficult, I think the better option would be to cut a
hole for the EDS card. I suppose no one found a cheaper external PCI box.
I searched through here and I see DJ stated that the Magma boxes work well
with the EDS card. At $1400 a pop, it's had to justify. Oh well... time
to rethink things.... thanks...
"Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>
>Ahh, Deja Vu.
>Yep, I too bought the Sonata, and it ended up being the case for
>my Cubase box.
>I toyed with the idea of ripping out the lower drive bays, so I could fit
>my EDS's (4 of them), but in the end it was all too hard.
>Rip out the power supply and stick it in your existing box.
>(Antec supplies are quiet.) I doubt whether you'd notice the noise difference.
>With one EDS card, I'm sure heat build-up won't be an issue,
>so don't even worry about the 5 1/4" case fan.
>Good Luck.
>Kim
>
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey all. I little while back my paris computer failed. I bought a new motherboard,
>>CPU and memory (Pent 4). After getting all back together, I noticed that
>>my computer was louder! So I researched and read some good reviews on teh
>>Antec Sonata. I bought one and anxiously transferred everything to the
new
>>case. Got to the last component, the Paris EDS card and guess what? Yep,
>>it don't fit. Sheesh! There is an open area on the case's bottom slot
>to
>>allow the card, but my motherboard (Epox) is a small factor and only has
>>3 PCI slots and it don't go down that far.
>>
>>Now I really love this case. It IS very quiet and I like how components
>are
>>installed easily. Internal drives are installed with rubber washers, etc.
>> So I want to definately keep this case... especially since I paid almost
>>a hundred for it!
>>
>>My options: As most of you know there are a few external PCI boxes that
>>allow using PCI cards. But they are so expensive. I scratch my head why
>>they would charge double the cost of a bare bones computer for this...
>Anyway,
>>perhaps I found another alternative. As I stated, the EDS card would fit
>>in the bottom case lot, but wouldn't go into a motherboard PCI slot. I
>found
>>a company that sells PCI extenders. I wrote to them and STILL waiting
for
>>their reply, but is anyone familiar with these products?
>>
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Tue, 03 January 2006 09:55 |
LaMont
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apability. The lowest
>levels are where the bit depth differences occur - with 24-bit files in
>unity gain summing, there will nothing to use beyond a 24-bit dynamic range.
>At one time I found Paris was boosting gain exponentially as you go down.
I
>don't have Paris to confirm or recreate this (Sakis thinks we resolved that
>issue, but I don't ever recall doing so).
>
>**Also, interestingly, from Lynn's CD, Nuendo, Fairlight, Pyramix,
>Samplitude and PTHD mixes cancel completely through -144dB, although with
>very very small correlation differences between each (i.e. not one in
>particular - this could be a slight variance in phase alignment in the
>test), but Paris doesn't cancel with either - it exhibits differences as
>high as -82dB. I first thought the Paris mix sounded wider, but when
>comparing to Nuendo, and PTHD, the center of the mix sounded lower in
>volume, making the edges sound wider - with a very slight bit of phase
>oddity. The center of Nuendo sounded more defined, just as wide, just not
>as loud on the edges. Paris almost sucked the center very slightly to my
>ears, where Nuendo and PTHD pushed it a bit more. All of this can be
>subjective, and on different monitors, the results could vary.
>
>That's my take on it in more than a nutshell, and with more detail and
>comparative listening than forum talk.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43cd3715$1@linux...
>>
>> Now, Thad,I'll be happy to ship/FTP you a project(50-24bit wav files)
on
>> /DVD for you to mix or just bring up with out mixing in SX. .Then, I want
>> you bring those same files into Paris, or PT HD/LE..Then, if you will,
>> report
>> your auditory findings..:)
>>
>> Dedric, I think you think that I'm saying that one app is superior to
>> another..Rather,
>> I'm saying "in different kinds of music genres, one app suites the music
>> more than others. Not, saying that you can't acheive great results from
>> any
>> DAW, but rather, some forms of music is easier to "MIX" in than others..
>> That's all I'm saying. FOr example. To me, I would not use Paris for
>> "critical
>> film scoring" work. To me, Nuendo/SX sound quality, with it's wide,
>> spacious,
>> audio quality is just the right audio foot print for the project.
>> Pro-Tools could be next and so could DP/Motus interfaces..But, the Paris
>> sound, would be too "colored" where you need the spearation, wide deep
>> sound
>> to hear evey element of a score. also, commerical work as well..
>>
>> But, Paris would and is atop of my DAW food chain for mixing ROCK,
>> HIP/HOP,
>> R&B, Gospel. Paris's Agressive crunch and it's colored sound when pushed
>> is alone in this dept followed by PT/with apogees Rosettas /AD/DA16x..
>> Again, this is my world real world findings, not some internet forum
>> talk..
>>
>> Sure, give me my MPC-2000& vs2480, and I'll get killer results everytime
>> that folks swear I used a DAW on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Dedric,
>>>
>>>Here's my take on this. I bought the DAW CD from Lynn What's His Name.
I
>>>listened to it. I took the tests. I took them again. I had someone jumble
>>>the tracks around and play them for me again. There were tiny wisp of
>>>smoke
>>>diff
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red of the "upgrade" syndrome that, for one forces
>>>the
>>>>>>>>> non-computer
>>>>>>>>> music guy to become so entrenched with personal computer
>>>>>>>>> technology,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> they can't focus on music..At the end of the conversation, we all
>>>agreed
>>>>>>>>> that having a system like Pro-Tools HD would "serve" us best with
>>>out
>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> to "think" or stay on the CPU upgrade "teadmill" if you will. I've
>>>been
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> that treadmill since 97,and as I look back on how many great
>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>> setups I've detroyed due becuase I was trying to play the CPU
sped
>>>>> game.
>>>>>>>>> I've lost decnet paying mixng and production jobs becuase my
>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> not as stable as I had them before I "upgraded" to a faster cpu
and
>>>>> OS..
>>>>>>>>> I one of our suites we still have PT Mix cube running on a G4(450)
>>>OS9
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>> rock solid stable.. One of my Paris setup still has Win
>>>>>>>>> 98se..Stable
>>>>>> stable
>>>>>>>>> stable:)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2 staff producers went chasing the Apple speed dream , from Dual
>> 867s
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Dual G5(2.5s) on OSX..Man, the agony and frustrations on their
>>>>>>>>> faces
>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>> to the fact that they had serious deadlines. That's what spurred
>> our
>>>>>>>>> conversations
>>>>>>>>> about it's either PTHD or a slotion with DM2000/02r96 with
>>>>>>>>> Nuendo/PT
>>>>>> Radar
>>>>>>>>> with the yammy difital mixer.. Each set up cost. But, we demand
a
>>>solid
>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>> system, that you do not have to make execues to yourself and the
>> client..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dedric may have said it best when he stated that doing a dedicated
>>>dsp
>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>> manybe a daughting task$$ Or so they say.. Stuff coming out of
>>>>>>>>> China
>>>>>> (Phonic
>>>>>>>>> firewire) mixers as well as microphones and other products are
>>>>>>>>> astounding
>>>>>>>>> deals. Just maybe the solution I'm after will come from China?
>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lamont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jaimie,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Athough native cpus are fast, don't think that you are getting
>> off
>>>>>> cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>> Playing the speed keep up game every 2 years is 1) not
>>>>>>>>>>> productive..2)
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> expensive.. think about it..??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Both native and DSP-based can be expensive. Native can be much
>>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>>> expensive though, if budget is limited. For example, on the low
>> end
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graphics, animation, video editing, software
>>>>>>>>>> development,
>>>>>>>>>> whatever else you do), in one shot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plus, low latency, better i/o integration in a pro
>>>>>>>>>>> enviorment..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is your best argument. But latency is not an issue in my
>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> setup. My i/o box has direct monitoring. Even if I monitor through
>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the latency is low enough that it hasn't been a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The i/o integration is fine, I have 18 analog inputs and 16 analog
>>>>>>>>>> outputs plus stereo digital i/o directly patchable through my
DAW
>>>>>>>>>> software and also routable from the i/o box's monitoring software.
>>>>> If
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> need more i/o I can plug in another Firewire i/o box.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I run my system with a mouse and a jog/shuttle wheel add-on. I
can
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> moving fader controllers from at least four different
>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>>>>>> which is tempting, but since I only really used the jog/shuttle
>> part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the PARIS controller I haven't needed that. Plus I've grown used
>>>to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> precision and (believe it or not) speed of mixing with the mouse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The sad truth with moast if not all native solutios is that
>>>>>>>>>>> it has forced a big$$$ third party solutions market, inwhic
>>>>>>>>>>> native
>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>> are going back to purchase , talk back units, better than average
>>>>>>>>>>> converters..All
>>>>>>>>>>> to chase the dsp systems way of working..in the end, the native
>>>person
>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>> not realize that they have spent just as much, if not more than
>>>they
>>>>>>>> could've
>>>>>>>>>>> gotten with a dsp based DAW.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A native system will be more flexible, you'll have more developers
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> choose from to enhance your system, and if one of the developers
>>>goes
>>>>>>>>>> under, your system will not hit a dead end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Over the last decade I've spent way less than, for example, a
>>>>>>>>>> ProTools
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> system would have cost and am getting, I think, comparable
>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having used nuendo sice it's inception (2000, ),logic audio,
Ican
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> hesitation,
>>>>>>>>>>> that it takes a lot of $$$ to bring those apps up to pro specs,
>>>and
>>>>>> truth
>>>>>>>>>>> be known, steinbergs way of integrating hardware leaves a lot
to
>>>be
>>>>>>>>>>> desired..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Quad PowerMac with extra RAM and HD, MOTU Digital Performer,
a
>>>MOTU
>>>>>>>>>> Firewire i/o box or two and some third party plugins...even a
24
>>>moving
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fader controller and you're well under 10K.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It all comes down to individual needs and preferences, so I'm
not
>>>really
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> saying you're wrong for what you're looking for. But for what
I'm
>>>>>>>>>> looking for, a native system is pretty compelling.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OTOH, had PARIS MIDI support been better, had they hung around
>>>>>>>>&
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Tue, 03 January 2006 10:06 |
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess this post grew out of neverending post over on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.gearslutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about Ribbon mics, Summing buss's, 5k mics, 4k pre-amps, 4k
>>>>>>>>>>>>> converters..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking, why do I want to keep sinking good money into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "dressing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a naitive DAW to try to sound as good as Paris does for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2,700.00
>>>>>> Orginal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list)??? Those guys, bless their hearts are into dreaming that
>>>if
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sink
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 5-10k in analoge summing gear, tey will have that magic
>>>>> ssound..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I'm thinkink, 'Why have we gone backwards in this dAW
>>>>>>>>>>>>> game??
>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digi has such a strangle hold on the industry,that they can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictate
>>>>>>>> jsut
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much cool stuff reaches the lowered of the spectrum. What
>>>I
>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PT LE is just enough to get frustrated to only dream and save
>>>up
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> HD..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, we have this Apple fiasco..New machines, with new CPUS,
>> little
>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. do they really think that thisi was good move now??
>> I'm
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a current Mac owner and I agonise for MAc lovers and users.
If
>>>I
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not upgrade for at leat 3-4 years. I digress again
..:)
>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, calling on all new and current manufactures..You a vast
>>>market
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro users and studios that needs more juice and pro features
>> than
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> offereing, but we don;t want to spend 20k for it.. Soemthing
>> along
>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3-15k
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do it..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay end of rant..LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>True Jamie, but I did see a recent Joni Mitchell concert on tv where she
mostly played a Parker Bronze Fly solid body, so with the inclusion of a
good piezo system, it might be a cool thing. My keyboard player/ rhythm
guitarist plays a Variax electric, and the tuning feature, among the other
features is definitely cool. There is still something "fake" about the sound
though. Convincing, especially in the context of a full band, but still not
totally right. I don't have any experience with the Variax Acoustic. Maybe
it's more authentic sounding.
Tony
On 1/17/06 6:10 PM, in article 43cd8755@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
> Except that the TransPerformance is only available for electric guitar,
> and only for a few models of electric guitar at that.
>
> For Acoustic guitar players along the lines of those you listed, the
> Variax Acoustic is a possibility.
>
> If you're a Les Paul, Strat or Tele player, the TransPerformance is a
> very nice system.
>
> Another system that can do alternate tunings is the Roland VG-88
> emulation/FX system. Works with any guitar with an add-on GK3 style
> pickup or built-in hex pickup.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>> I don't know Justin. If you were a performer like Joni Mitchell, Jonatha
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Tue, 03 January 2006 10:04 |
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>> Brooke, the late Michael Hedges, etc. it would probably be more cost
>> efficient than having a couple extra guitars and a tech to re- tune all the
>> time for you. I love Jonatha Brooke, but on her live album she is constantly
>> trying to change tunings while talking to the audience between songs. For
>> those people it might be worth it just to keep their live shows flowing
>> better. It is a bit pricey though for the casual user.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "justcron" <pachinko@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>> news:43cd6f19@linux...
>>
>>> haha and tuning is free and takes no time
>>>
>>> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:43cd68b9$1@linux...
>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> My bandmate inquired about The Performer system and received quite a
>>>> complete
>>>> response from the company president.
>>>>
>>>> Thought you might all be interested, so here it is:
>>>>
>>>> ======================================================
>>>>
>>>> Greg,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the email. My name is Neil Skinn; I'm president of the
>>>> company
>>>> and one of the co-inventors of our self-tuning guitar. I assume that you
>>>> have visited our Website at www.selftuning.com and are somewhat
>>>> acquainted
>>>> with the Performer.
>>>>
>>>> Greg, the remainder of this email is a canned response for first time
>>>> inquiries
>>>> that answers your specific questions as well as other common questions.
>>>> It's also loaded with information to help you understand the tuning
>>>> system
>>>> and how we do business. Please do not interpret the canned response to
>>>> mean
>>>> I'm not a friendly guy, I'll give you all of the personal attention you
>>>> need.
>>>> Please read on and write or call back with any other questions.
>>>>
>>>> Currently we offer the Performer tuning system installation in a small
>>>> number
>>>> of guitar styles. You can supply the guitar for the Performer
>>>> installation
>>>> or we can purchase one for you at a great price. We have special
>>>> arrangements
>>>> with guitar manufacturers and their distributors that allow us to pass
>>>> incredible
>>>> savings to our customers. Let me know if you are interested in a new
>>>> guitar.
>>>>
>>>> The price for the Performer system and installation varies depending on
>>>> the
>>>> guitar it's going in. The prices and specifics are covered again in the
>>>> FAQ I've pasted in below. In summary, the full installation in a Les
>>>> Paul
>>>> or Telecaster is $3,399, and in a Stratocaster is $3,899. The additional
>>>> $500 for the Strat covers a new body that is built and painted the color
>>>> of your choice. The purchase includes the system and installation, power
>>>> supply, power cable, footswitch, user's manual, 1 year limited warranty
>>>> and
>>>> technical support. We also offer an accessory kit for battery operation
>>>> for an additional $250.00. The Accessory kit includes a rechargeable
>>>> battery,
>>>> guitar strap battery carrier, cables and charging system.
>>>>
>>>> We custom install every Performer system here at our shop. We use
>>>> special
>>>> milling tools and a CNC machine to rout out the cavities and a complex
>>>> computer
>>>> based platform during the testing. Due to the complexity of the system
>>>> and
>>>> installation, we only install in Les Pauls, Teles, Strats and replicas.
>>>>
>>>> From time to time we have fully assembled Les Pauls, Teles or Strats with
>>>> the Performer system installed and ready for purchase. The sales prices
>>>> vary depending on the guitar model. The average price in a Les Paul,
>>>> including
>>>> the guitar, is around $5,200. We offer some discounts, which are
>>>> mentioned
>>>> at the end of the FAQ below, so please keep reading, and contact me if
>>>> you
>>>> would like specifics on the guitar or the system.
>>>>
>>>> The Performer model is pricey, but well worth the investment. Most
>>>> purchasers
>>>> simply shy away when they see the price tag without even exploring the
>>>> possibilities.
>>>> I invite you to call me to discuss the product; I'd like the opportunity
>>>> to explain the system in detail.
>>>>
>>>> The Performer was recently featured on Discovery Channel Canada on a
>>>> program
>>>> called Shannon's Gadgets. The piece is titled Science of a Rock Star.
>>>> The
>>>> piece features Jeff Martin of the Tea Party, and Jeff explains how he
>>>> uses
>>>> it live and for writing. I invite you to view the 6 minute presentation
>>>> at http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2004/04/20/51.asp?t=dp
>>>>
>>>> I invite you to join our mailing list by clicking on the following link.
>>>> As a member of our mailing list you'll get first hand information on
>>>> guitars
>>>> for sale, new products, special event information and product updates.
>>>> http://transperformance.com/mailing/index1.php
>>>>
>>>> We recently launched a public ftp site that is loaded with cool stuff.
>>>> Videos,
>>>> songs, pictures, artist media, chord and scale programs, alternate tuning
>>>> libraries and manuals. I invite you to click the link and take a look.
>>>> www.selftuning.com/files You are welcome to do
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Tue, 03 January 2006 13:50 |
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he song tracked through the ISA
> convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
> there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
> depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
> everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
>
> Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
> in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
> and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
> you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
> 44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
>
> If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
> clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
>
> NeilYup. You on 98/ME by chance?
Kill the power saving/sleep mode crap.
AA
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43cd21f0$1@linux...
> This is old, old, old Jef. Also, totally contrary to any experience I've
> had with the numerous Macs I've owned. Actually, some of the things he
> talks about I've only experienced on my PC's! The PC I'm typing this on
> right now absolutely refuses to shut down. The screen comes up saying it's
> shutting down, but days later it's still hasn't shut down. Anyone have any
> ideas on this?
>
> Tony
>
>
> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
> news:43cd146b$1@linux...
>> this guy's really trashing his mac....a tad funny
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794
>>
>
>Kill hibernate/sleep/standby/power saving stuff.
Right click on the desktop, Select properties, go to the screen saver tab.
Power schemes tab: System standby = never
Advanced tab: When I press the power button=Shut Down
Hibernate = unchecked
AA
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43cd3863$1@linux...
> Don't recall for sure. It may have been close to doing a McAfee scan and
> cleaning of viri though. Can't directly relate it to that though.
>
> Tony
>
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:43cd2c5e@linux...
>> Did you do any optimization tweaks or install any software around the
>> time it stopped shutting down on its own?
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry. XP Home, Service Pack 2, 2.4 GHz P4, 500Mb ram.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>>> news:43cd28fb@linux...
>>>
>>>>What version of windows??
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How do I change this? Remember to talk slow and use detail if I have to
>>>>>go into the Bios or do anything complicated to fix this. I'm a Mac guy
>>>>>at heart and digging around in the bowels of a PC is scary for me. ;>)
>>>>>
>>>>>The weird thing is, it just started doing this a few months ago. Before
>>>>>that, it shut down fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43cd23ea@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You are probably set up as "standard pc" instead of ACPI... this also
>>>>>>affects shut-down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is old, old, old Jef. Also, totally contrary to any experience
>>>>>>>I've had with the numerous Macs I've owned. Actually, some of the
>>>>>>>things he talks about I've only experienced on my PC's! The PC I'm
>>>>>>>typing this on right now absolutely refuses to shut down. The screen
>>>>>>>comes up saying it's shutting down, but days later it's still hasn't
>>>>>>>shut down. Anyone have any ideas on this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:43cd146b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this guy's really trashing his mac....a tad funny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>Deej/Chris
This'll work for XP and booting into the OS as well. Take the HDD out of the
case, add to the IDE system. Set jumper to slave, master or cable select as
appropriate. Boot, noting in the BIOS if it sees the drive or no. Go on into
windows, right click on the My Computer icon and go to manage. Go to Disk
Management. From here you can format, assign a letter, whatever you need to
do. I would not assign a letter fwiw, as you will be moving the drive back
to the USB case anyway. Format away.
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
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> Chris,
>
> What I usually do is to unload the HD from the external box, hang it on an
> IDE cable, set it master or slave (whatever is appropriate), then use a
> boot
> disk to FDISK it. Once that is done, I create a new parti
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tion (s), then
> power down the machine. I then reboot to the boot disk and format. It
> works
> *every* time.
>
> I'm a FAT 32 guy though. If you're using NTFS, then this isn't going to
> help.
>
> Deej
> "Chris Lang" <yo@yo.yo> wrote in message news:43cd351e$1@linux...
>>
>> Quick question for you experts:
>>
>> I bought a Lacie external hard disk for backing up.
>>
>> Formatted it, partitioned it, cool.
>>
>> I had other computer issues, and had to restore the system to
>> an older configuration. Computer works fine (aside from idling
>> at 50%), but the disk is not recognized. I tried uninstalling and
> reinstalling
>> drivers. It simply will not format. I have
>> tried to format it from every path I know of- control panel,
>> my computer, etc., but NOOOOOOO, the same error every time:
>> "Windows could not complete the format". No details, no help.
>> I have tried both "qick formatting", and the long way.
>>
>> Any ideas welcome. I hate the fact the I spent the money on a
>> solid back-up, and I can't usde it.
>>
>> Thanks!!!
>>
>> Chris
>
>I remember seeing this a coupla years ago, and it sucked then too, hehh...
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43cde680$1@linux...
>
> You guys don't have to worry about drums anymore, Creative Labs has us
> covered!
>
>
> http://www.prodikeys.com/products/prodikeys_DM/watch/5_Drums _High.wmvi am speechless!!!!!
KICK ASS!!!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43cde617$1@linux...
>
> You guys don't have to worry about drums anymore, Creative Labs has us
covered!
>
>
> http://www.prodikeys.com/products/p..._Drums_High.wmv"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
>i am speechless!!!!!
>
>KICK ASS!!!
Yeah, Creative decided to go with this product over Paris, well it was easier
for them to figure out; )
After spending millions of dollars on R & D, they figured out that this
product was so easy to use, even a monkey could play it!
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:43cde617$1@linux...
>>
>> You guys don't have to worry about drums anymore, Creative Labs has us
>covered!
>>
>>
>> http://www.prodikeys.com/products/p..._Drums_High.wmv
>
>just a question...are you listening to both mixes each through the
same converters? i only ask due to my belief that the only difference
lies in the da conversion as all the ad's do is write the 1's and 0's
describing the event. i've done comparisons here with the rme, paris
and lynx converters; the differences disappear when the material
recorded on each is played back through any of the 3 mentioned. to
me, it's kind of like playing an lp on different turntables and
attributing the difference in the sound to the lp itself.
On 18 Jan 2006 16:04:55 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote:
>
>First off, I should state that I like the RME convertors in my
>Multiface because of their transparency & shall we
>say: "cleanliness", but I recently picked up an i/o card for my
>ISA428, wherein I can either use the pre's in that or go direct
>line-in from another source, then SPDIF or lightpipe out to the
>RME & into the DAW from there. I just finished a mix where I
>tracked everything through the ISA (just to kinda compare with
>other stuff I've done using solely the RME's) & lightpiped into
>the RME, and I'm sitting there grooving on it, and
>thinking "Hey, this sounds pretty damn good!".
>
>Then I pull up another song in a somewhat similar vein that I
>had tracked completely through the Multiface - one that I had
>thought was also sounding pretty good - and I was shocked.
>Total, complete, utter crap compared to the ISA convertors!!!
>
>Now, in listeneing to a different song that was tracked through
>the RME's, yet wasn't quite as hard-rock-ish, stood up really
>well when compared to the song tracked through the ISA
>convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
>there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
>depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
>everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
>
>Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
>in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
>and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
>you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
>44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
>
>If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
>clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
>
>Neilyou forgot the I/O
Jeremy Luzier wrote:
> Cubase SX
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43cd77b2@linux...
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>>Can you get a daw with plug in compensation that is rock solid for $2000
>> not counting the computer?
>
>
>So pretty much everything is rock solid except paris. hahaha
LaMont wrote:
> I would agree that Steignber's Cubase SX & Nuendo are one thee most stable
> DAW's in the business. Logic Audio on a good fast Mac is solid. As is Sonar
> & Digital Performer. All i al, I would have to say that all of today's native
> DAWs, including ProTools LE & M-Powered are rock solid stable.
>
>
> "Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Cubase SX
>>
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43cd77b2@linux...
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>>>Can you get a daw with plug in compensation that is rock solid for $2000
>>> not counting the computer?
>>
>>
>I would recommend Samplitude and either an RME or Emu I/O. One of Sam's
virtues is that it contains very good effects and EQs, so there is no
*necessity* to buy plugs. You will need to buy VSTis if you want them.
Bill
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43cd77b2@linux...
> Can you get a daw with plug in compensation that is rock solid for $2000
> not counting the computer?Rick, yes I was listening to both through the RME convertors -
the ISA card does not have a direct PCI interface, so in my
case, the RME's still serve as the output to the monitors, no
matter what.
Neil
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>just a question...are you listening to both mixes each through the
>same converters? i only ask due to my belief t
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>yea I know the "B" company again...
I use NS10's with a JBL sub and Alesis power amp now. I'm looking for powered
monitors that are easier to move between systems as I work on a friends system
also.
I have listened to the Mackies - Dyna 5's, truths (8") and event 20/20's...
The Dyna's were the best (my take) but were like $900 vs 300 for the Truths.
I have not heard the Yorkvilles mentioned in a post as I could not find
a local dealer here but was hoping that someone used the Truths and could
let me know what they thought. This is for a project studio (3 card Paris
mostly pop/rock) so money is as always a major factor...
Thanks in advance this place is awwwsomeThe guy retracted the $5,000.00 bid. It's funny, there is no recored deal,
it's a producer/recording deal and Advice. Hey, you can also become an actor!
All you need is this guy, it's as easy as skiing and doing your taxes at
the same time.
Can you say scam?
"Kent" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I love how the high bidder user ID is private. I'd love to track down the
>ultimate 'winner', though, and see how it works out (doesn't work out!)
for
>them.
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43ce5847$1@linux...
>> I've paid producers and business lawyers to help me, but this is a bit
>> much....
>>
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/LOS-ANGELES-RECORD-DEAL_W0QQitemZ6597680 936QQcategoryZ16071QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>I'll be there Saturday and Sunday, possibly parts of Friday. Should anyone
care about that :) I'll be easiest to track down at the East West booth.
- StefanMy main guitar is a Fly Deluxe and the acoustic side is definitely
electric/acoustic sounding. Passable, but not stellar. I also have an 1994
"American" Hamer Duotone. This was built when Hamer was still in Chicago and
doing everything mostly by hand. It's a killer guitar and has a great
acoustic tone. I actually sent the guitar in to Chicago and had Hamer cut
the nut to fit a wound G string and that added even more to the acoustic
illusion. This of course pretty much limits the guitar to rhythm duties on
the electric side as my wimpy hands can't handle bending a wound G, but I'm
not really a lead player anyway. I have to say, although Joni's Parker
didn't sound like a real acoustic, it did sound extra cool. She had a lot of
effects going on it and it was huge. I'll stick with my el-cheapo Breedlove
in the studio. It re-tunes and capos very nicely.
Tony
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43cdc1d4@linux...
>
> Yeah, you're right Tony, if you could add a piezo bridge with
> TransPerformance that'd be cool. If I had the $$ for it I'd give Neil a
> call and see if it's possible.
>
> OTOH I heard Paul Simon in concert playing a Parker as a piezo acoustic
> and his really sounded thin. Great show, though.
>
> Maybe Graph Tech? I've been considering their ghost stuff for my PRS,
> mostly to drive a GR33 but if their acoustic sound is halfway usable that
> would be gravy.
>
> The Variax acoustic has much better sounding acoustic guitar emulations
> than the Variax electric versions do. The Vax electrics have acoustic
> emulations that are passable for live in a mix, but not outstanding. I
> really wanted to be blown away every time I tried one, it would be so
> handy to have an all-in-one guitar. The recent firmware upgrade on the
> electrics may help some - I haven't heard the results of that.
>
> I dig the Vax acoustic. Several decent acoustic guitar emulations.
> Alternate tunings at your fingertips (the transpositions aren't going to
> be as good as retuning, but they are instantly there when you need them
> and quite usable if you don't transpose them too far). The ability to
> change the emulation's "mic position" for a variety of sounds from each
> guitar model, and built in compression for an intimate sound when you want
> it. Very playable. It's also the best looking Vax and the only one with 24
> frets.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>> True Jamie, but I did see a recent Joni Mitchell concert on tv where she
>> mostly played a Parker Bronze Fly solid body, so with the inclusion of a
>> good piezo system, it might be a cool thing. My keyboard player/ rhythm
>> guitarist plays a Variax electric, and the tuning feature, among the
>> other
>> features is definitely cool. There is still something "fake" about the
>> sound
>> though. Convincing, especially in the context of a full band, but still
>> not
>> totally right. I don't have any experience with the Variax Acoustic.
>> Maybe
>> it's more authentic sounding.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On 1/17/06 6:10 PM, in article 43cd8755@linux, "Jamie K"
>> <Report message to a moderator
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>>
>>
>>>Except that the TransPerformance is only available for electric guitar,
>>>and only for a few models of electric guitar at that.
>>>
>>>For Acoustic guitar players along the lines of those you listed, the
>>>Variax Acoustic is a possibility.
>>>
>>>If you're a Les Paul, Strat or Tele player, the TransPerformance is a
>>>very nice system.
>>>
>>>Another system that can do alternate tunings is the Roland VG-88
>>>emulation/FX system. Works with any guitar with an add-on GK3 style
>>>pickup or built-in hex pickup.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>-Jamie
>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't know Justin. If you were a performer like Joni Mitchell, Jonatha
>>>>Brooke, the late Michael Hedges, etc. it would probably be more cost
>>>>efficient than having a couple extra guitars and a tech to re- tune all
>>>>the
>>>>time for you. I love Jonatha Brooke, but on her live album she is
>>>>constantly
>>>>trying to change tunings while talking to the audience between songs.
>>>>For
>>>>those people it might be worth it just to keep their live shows flowing
>>>>better. It is a bit pricey though for the casual user.
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"justcron" <pachinko@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43cd6f19@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>haha and tuning is free and takes no time
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43cd68b9$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My bandmate inquired about The Performer system and received quite a
>>>>>>complete
>>>>>>response from the company president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thought you might all be interested, so here it is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>======================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greg,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for the email. My name is Neil Skinn; I'm president of the
>>>>>>company
>>>>>>and one of the co-inventors of our self-tuning guitar. I assume that
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>have visited our Website at www.selftuning.com and are somewhat
>>>>>>acquainted
>>>>>>with the Performer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greg, the remainder of this email is a canned response for first time
>>>>>>inquiries
>>>>>>that answers your specific questions as well as other common
>>>>>>questions.
>>>>>>It's also loaded with information to help you understand the tuning
>>>>>>system
>>>>>>and how we do business. Please do not interpret the canned response to
>>>>>>mean
>>>>>>I'm not a friendly guy, I'll give you all of the personal attention
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>need.
>>>>>>Please read on and write or call back with any other questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Currently we offer the Performer tuning system installation in a small
>>>>>>number
>>>>>>of guitar styles. You can supply the guitar for the Performer
>>>>>>installation
>>>>>>or we can purchase one for you at a great price. We have special
>>>>>>arrangements
>>>>>>with guitar manufacturers and their distributors that allow us to pass
>>>>>>incredible
>>>>>>savings to our customers. Let me know if you are interested in a new
>>>>>>guitar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The price for the Performer system and installation varies depending
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>guitar it's going in. The prices and specifics are covered again in
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>FAQ I've pasted in below. In summary, the full installation in a Les
>>>>>>Paul
>>>>>>or Telecaster is $3,399, and in a Stratocaster is $3,899. The
>>>>>>additional
>>>>>>$500 for the Strat covers a new body that is built and painted the
>>>>>>color
>>>>>>of your choice. The purchase includes the system and installation,
>>>>>>power
>>>>>>supply, power cable, footswitch, user's manual, 1 year limited
>>>>>>warranty
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>technical support. We also offer an accessory kit for battery
>>>>>>operation
>>>>>>for an additional $250.00. The Accessory kit includes a rechargeable
>>>>>>battery,
>>>>>>guitar strap battery carrier, cables and charging system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We custom install every Performer system here at our shop. We use
>>>>>>special
>>>>>>milling tools and a CNC machine to rout out the cavities and a complex
>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>based platform during the testing. Due to the complexity of the
>>>>>>system
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>installation, we only install in Les Pauls, Teles, Strats and
>>>>>>replicas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From time to time we have fully assembled Les Pauls, Teles or Strats
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>the Performer system installed and ready for purchase. The sales
>>>>>>prices
>>>>>>vary depending on the guitar model. The average price in a Les Paul,
>>>>>>including
>>>>>>the guitar, is around $5,200. We offer some discounts, which are
>>>>>>mentioned
>>>>>>at the end of the FAQ below, so please keep reading, and contact me if
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>would like specifics on the guitar or the system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Performer model is pricey, but well worth the investment. Most
>>>>>>purchasers
>>>>>>simply shy away
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Touch Up & String Replacement
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Touch Up mode has a built-in multi-mode feature. Touch Up is used
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>"touching up" your tuning, replacing broken strings, and replacing
>>>>>>full
>>>>>>sets.
>>>>>>Touch Up asks for a strum of the strings and secretly checks to ensure
>>>>>>the strings are in their proper tension ranges. If they are, the
>>>>>>system
>>>>>>quickly brings each string into tune. If the system determines your
>>>>>>strings
>>>>>>need adjustment, the system invokes the Tension Adjust mode and the
>>>>>>LCD
>>>>>>prompts
>>>>>>you to adjust the tension(s) using the machine heads before it brings
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>strings into tune. The Tension Adjust mode ensures your system is
>>>>>>properly
>>>>>>maintained and is made quick and easy with the LCD prompts and
>>>>>>On-Screen-Tuner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Audio Considerations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The installation does not interfere with the existing guitar audio
>>>>>>circuits.
>>>>>>The additional mass of the bridge and tailpiece produce greater
>>>>>>sustain
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>have been acclaimed by several of our major endorsers as making it
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Installation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The installation adds about a half pound of weight to the guitar after
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>installation. This is unavoidable given the weight of the mechanical
>>>>>>device
>>>>>>and sub-assemblies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Motor Noise
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is a very low level of motor noise that comes through the audio
>>>>>>pickup.
>>>>>>The level of noise has been reduced to a low enough level that the
>>>>>>system
>>>>>>is acceptable for use in major recording studios. This problem may be
>>>>>>avoided
>>>>>>by using the rhythm pickup or tuning down the guitar volume while the
>>>>>>motors
>>>>>>are moving. Either option will suppress motor noise entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Payment
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We accept Visa, Master Card and American Express, certified checks,
>>>>>>money
>>>>>>orders and personal checks. We accept 50% down when orders are placed
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>the balance paid in full prior to shipping the guitar. The customer
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>responsible
>>>>>>for payment of all items purchased as well as fees for custom work,
>>>>>>applicable
>>>>>>taxes, shipping and handling, insurance, imposts and extended limited
>>>>>>warranty
>>>>>>charges. Other arrangements may be acceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Discounts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We offer a $50 discount if payment is made by certified check, money
>>>>>>order
>>>>>>or direct deposit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>DAWs and analog summing???
>What are your thoughts?
I think that the folks selling equipment have to have something to sell.
As we do more and more inside the box, they have less and less to sell.
Thus the mania over mic preamps, and the almost religious belief that everyone
must have an assortment. (With GML, API and Fearn, I'm not immune). Now
they are trying to suggest that we also need an assortment of AD converters
to use with different instruments and signal paths. Never mind that the
choice of mic and placement have an order of magnitude more impact on what
gets recorded.
Mixing in the box is different, and requires a different approach to mixing
through a console or summing box. Folks like George Massenberg mix through
a console because they can work much faster, not least because they are very
familiar with that process.
I think the quality of converters is so high now (assuming professional units)
that multiple trips in and out of the box don't degrade the signal appreciably.
I also think the folks at Gearslutz and elsewhere should stop talking about
mic pres and record something.
Now I will go get my coffee and shut up. :)"LaMont" <jjdpro@amerietch.net> wrote:
>
>I would agree that Steignber's Cubase SX & Nuendo are one thee most stable
>DAW's in the business. Logic Audio on a good fast Mac is solid. As is Sonar
>& Digital Performer. All i al, I would have to say that all of today's native
>DAWs, including ProTools LE & M-Powered are rock solid stable.
Does Pro Tools LE & M-Powered have plugin latency compensation?Thanks Aaron!
Tony
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43cdefda@linux...
> Kill hibernate/sleep/standby/power saving stuff.
> Right click on the desktop, Select properties, go to the screen saver tab.
> Power schemes tab: System standby = never
> Advanced tab: When I press the power button=Shut Down
> Hibernate = unchecked
>
> AA
>
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
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>> Don't recall for sure. It may have been close to doing a McAfee scan and
>> cleaning of viri though. Can't directly relate it to that though.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> news:43cd2c5e@linux...
>>> Did you do any optimization tweaks or install any software around the
>>> time it stopped shutting down on its own?
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry. XP Home, Service Pack 2, 2.4 GHz P4, 500Mb ram.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:43cd28fb@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>What version of windows??
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>How do I change this? Remember to talk slow and use detail if I have
>>>>>>to go into the Bios or do anything complicated to fix this. I'm a Mac
>>>>>>guy at heart and digging around in the bowels of a PC is scary for me.
>>>>>>;>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The weird thing is, it just started doing this a few months ago.
>>>>>>Before that, it shut down fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:43cd23ea@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are probably set up as "standard pc" instead of ACPI... this also
>>>>>>>affects shut-down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is old, old, old Jef. Also, totally contrary to any experience
>>>>>>>>I've had with the numerous Macs I've owned. Actually, some of the
>>>>>>>>things he talks about I've only experienced on my PC's! The PC I'm
>>>>>>>>typing this on right now absolutely refuses to shut down. The screen
>>>>>>>>comes up saying it's shutting down, but days later it's still hasn't
>>>>>>>>shut down. Anyone have any ideas on this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:43cd146b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>this guy's really trashing his mac....a tad funny
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>no it does not
Gary Flanigan wrote:
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@amerietch.net> wrote:
>
>>I would agree that Steignber's Cubase SX & Nuendo are one thee most stable
>>DAW's in the business. Logic Audio on a good fast Mac is solid. As is Sonar
>>& Digital Performer. All i al, I would have to say that all of today's native
>>DAWs, including ProTools LE & M-Powered are rock solid stable.
>
>
> Does Pro Tools LE & M-Powered have plugin latency compensation?what defines a native app Lamont, whether any processing is done on
external hardware or not? native meaning all processing is done by the
pc right?
LaMont wrote:
> I thought you meant what native app would I recommend.
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>So pretty much everything is rock solid except paris. hahaha
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>
>>>I would agree that Steignber's Cubase SX & Nuendo are one thee most stable
>>>DAW's in the business. Logic Audio on a good fast Mac is solid. As is
>
> Sonar
>
>>>& Digital Performer. All i al, I would have to say that all of today's
>
> native
>
>>>DAWs, including ProTools LE & M-Powered are rock solid stable.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Cubase SX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43cd77b2@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Can you get a daw with plug in compensation that is rock solid for $2000
>>>>> not counting the computer?
>>>>
>>>>
>Cubase forums say "You wont be able to hear any effects whilst
recording, but you can keep the buffers high in cubase"
Sound like daws are still in the dark ages. Do any of them let you hear
the effects whilst recording not to mention having plugin latency
compensation. 16 i/os would be nice too.
Gary Flanigan wrote:
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@amerietch.net> wrote:
>
>>I would agree that Steignber's Cubase SX & Nuendo are one thee most stable
>>DAW's in the business. Logic Audio on a good fast Mac is solid. As is Sonar
>>& Digital Performer. All i al, I would have to say that all of today's native
>>DAWs, including ProTools LE & M-Powered are rock solid stable.
>
>
> Does Pro Tools LE & M-Powered have plugin latency compensation?it's kinda a shame that there are more than a few scams out there
preying on wannabe-ness. here in toronto the big scam is the battle of
the bands that costs from 25 to 75 to enter then your ranking/time
alotment is based upon how many tickets you sold.
James McCloskey wrote:
>The guy retracted the $5,000.00 bid. It's funny, there is no recored deal,
>it's a producer/recording deal and Advice. Hey, you can also become an actor!
> All you need is this guy, it's as easy as skiing and doing your taxes at
>the same time.
>
>Can you say scam?
>
>"Kent" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I love how the high bidder user ID is private. I'd love to track down the
>>ultimate 'winner', though, and see how it works out (doesn't work out!)
>>
>>
>for
>
>
>>them.
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:43ce5847$1@linux...
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>>
>>>I've paid producers and business lawyers to help me, but this is a bit
>>>much....
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>>The parody part of the video is Ok, what's not Ok is the untruths it spreads.
It's ignorant, non mac users are left believing this stuff. Example, he
states that he copies files from a CD to the desk top, then they vanish when
he ejects the CD. It is ignorance of how a mac works, a Mac works differently
than a PC! It's a false statement, he says he copies the files to the desk
top, on a Mac that just creates a short cut to the file, this is so you don't
create a redundant copy on your HD. A Mac user knows you need to drag/copy
the files to any other folder other than the desk top, if you want to copy
them. This would be user error/ignorance.
He says that when you delete a file, it's gone forever! Ah, yes, that is
the purpose of deleting a file! On a Mac it's called a trash can not a recycling
bin. That's why a Mac will prompt you with a message that asks you if your
sure you want to delete the file, because it will be deleted forever! When
you want something deleted, you want something deleted! Well the truth is
on a Mac the first binary is switched off so you can't see the file, but
it's still there, until you write more data to the HD. At any time the old
file can be written over and the file can be lost forever. In most cases
the files can be recovered if you don't let too much time pass. The idea
is that it is a more efficient use of HD space. When you delete something
on the Mac it reallocates the HD space back for use.
In both cases, it is ignorance of how a Mac works. He blames the Mac for
being stupid. Non Mac users are left believing that the Mac is flawed, when
in fact it is the non Mac user in the video that is flawed.
It is misuse of the product, misinformation and untruths. I'll give my over
exaggerated example. It would be like saying, this hammer isn't vary good
at chopping down trees, look at how stupid this thing is!
I understand the video is comedy, but it unfairly pokes at Macs and Mac users
with untruths.
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>It was a clever parody of those old Mac commercials. The part about the
dock
>was true. My solution was to just hide the damn thing. At least that way
it
>only pops up when I push the cursor clear to the bottom of the monitor.
>Anyway, they did do a good job with the parody.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43ce4f53@linux...
>> that's kinda what i though. but i'm having fun with some of the clips
on
>> video.google.com
>>
>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>
>>>This is old, old, old Jef. Also, totally contrary to any experience I've
>>>had with the numerous Macs I've owned. Actually, some of the things he
>>>talks about I've only experienced on my PC's! The PC I'm typing this on
>>>right now absolutely refuses to shut down. The screen comes up saying
it's
>>>shutting down, but days later it's still hasn't shut down. Anyone have
any
>>>ideas on this?
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43cd146b$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>this guy's really trashing his mac....a tad funny
>>>>
>>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>That's the old 1980's L.A. pay to play game! Sturday night at 11:00 was $1750.00
at Gazarri's on Sunset. What a rip off!
James
jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>it's kinda a shame that there are more than a few scams out there
>preying on wannabe-ness. here in toronto the big scam is the battle of
>the bands that costs from 25 to 75 to enter then your ranking/time
>alotment is based upon how many tickets you sold.
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>
>>The guy retracted the $5,000.00 bid. It's funny, there is no recored deal,
>>it's a producer/recording deal and Advice. Hey, you can also become an
actor!
>> All you need is this guy, it's as easy as skiing and doing your taxes
at
>>the same time.
>>
>>Can you say scam?
>>
>>"Kent" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I love how the high bidder user ID is private. I'd love to track down
the
>>>ultimate 'winner', though, and see how it works out (doesn't work out!)
>>>
>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>>them.
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43ce5847$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've paid producers and business lawyers to help me, but this is a bit
>>>>much....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/LOS-ANGELES-RECORD-DEAL_W0QQitemZ6597680 936QQcategoryZ16071QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>or a Mac :)
Stragngley Paris & Pt uses a little bit of native processing,like in PAris
Intelligent
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Tue, 03 January 2006 15:35 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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">5244310@yrtyr.net> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Well Well, its seems that apogee and & have been playing together.. This
>look
>>svery cool..
>>http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/ensemble.php
>
>I just read this on another NG.................
>
>NAMM: Classic Neve Effects, Soon in Computer Form
>
>I'd already heard that Universal Audio, makers of fine DSP hardware for
computers
>as well as vintage analog reproductions and other DSP tech, was going to
>be pairing up with someone big at NAMM. That "someone big" has turned out
>to be AMS Neve Limited, who have made some of the most famous signal processors
>in history. You'll be seeing those running in emulated form on Universal's
>UAD-1 system, a DSP card that sits inside your PC or Mac. Universal says
>the first will be the Neve 1073 Equalizer.
>
>Looks like it's going to be an interesting year
>
>;o)
>
>Apple would be smart to keep building the G5 Mac tower, as well as the Intel
boxes. In time IBM's technology will catch up. Per processor speed, and
cooling are the issues, time will take care of all that.
I wonder what these systems will cost???
James
"LaMontt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Man!!
>
>"Deej" <5244310@yrtyr.net> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Well Well, its seems that apogee and & have been playing together.. This
>>look
>>>svery cool..
>>>http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/ensemble.php
>>
>>I just read this on another NG.................
>>
>>NAMM: Classic Neve Effects, Soon in Computer Form
>>
>>I'd already heard that Universal Audio, makers of fine DSP hardware for
>computers
>>as well as vintage analog reproductions and other DSP tech, was going to
>>be pairing up with someone big at NAMM. That "someone big" has turned out
>>to be AMS Neve Limited, who have made some of the most famous signal processors
>>in history. You'll be seeing those running in emulated form on Universal's
>>UAD-1 system, a DSP card that sits inside your PC or Mac. Universal says
>>the first will be the Neve 1073 Equalizer.
>>
>>Looks like it's going to be an interesting year
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>I think this speaks to the attitude of the entire industry that sees
musicians as fodder for the primo lifestyles of exec's.
James McCloskey wrote:
>That's the old 1980's L.A. pay to play game! Sturday night at 11:00 was $1750.00
>at Gazarri's on Sunset. What a rip off!
>
>James
>
>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>
>
>>it's kinda a shame that there are more than a few scams out there
>>preying on wannabe-ness. here in toronto the big scam is the battle of
>>the bands that costs from 25 to 75 to enter then your ranking/time
>>alotment is based upon how many tickets you sold.
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>The guy retracted the $5,000.00 bid. It's funny, there is no recored deal,
>>>it's a producer/recording deal and Advice. Hey, you can also become an
>>>
>>>
>actor!
>
>
>>>All you need is this guy, it's as easy as skiing and doing your taxes
>>>
>>>
>at
>
>
>>>the same time.
>>>
>>>Can you say scam?
>>>
>>>"Kent" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I love how the high bidder user ID is private. I'd love to track down
>>>>
>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>ultimate 'winner', though, and see how it works out (doesn't work out!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>them.
>>>>
>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43ce5847$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've paid producers and business lawyers to help me, but this is a bit
>>>>>much....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/LOS-ANGELES-RECORD-DEAL_W0QQitemZ6597680 936QQcategoryZ16071QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Apple only? fascists.
lol
LaMont wrote:
>http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/symphony.php
>
>Wow, jsut when I was making fuss about the Mid-Level DSP(PCI) range or non-existence
>of this market segment, they anouce this.
>
>Logic Audio is nice, but a little dated. Still one of the best midi sequencers,
>it audio engine leaves a lot to be desired.
>
>That said, Aplle has new Macs, maybe just maybe they already have a kill
>new version of Logic or Sountrack Pro.??? :)
>
>If so, thsi could send shock waves thru out the industry. And, I must admit
>that Dedric's & Thad's theories were right on "Point" about the "State of
>New Native DAWS"!! This product proves it big time..
>
>I guess we'll have to wait and see how this namm show goes.. So far,so good
>:)
>LaMont
>
>LaMont, what are your complaints with Logic's audio engine? And are you
talking about Logic Pro 7.1 or an earlier version.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
jef knight wrote:
> Apple only? fascists.
> lol
>
> LaMont wrote:
>
>> http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/symphony.php
>> Wow, jsut when I was making fuss about the Mid-Level DSP(PCI) range or
>> non-existence
>> of this market segment, they anouce this.
>>
>> Logic Audio is nice, but a little dated. Still one of the best midi
>> sequencers,
>> it audio engine leaves a lot to be desired.
>> That said, Aplle has new Macs, maybe just maybe they already have a kill
>> new version of Logic or Sountrack Pro.??? :)
>>
>> If so,
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Tue, 03 January 2006 16:00 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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thsi could send shock waves thru out the industry. And, I must
>> admit
>> that Dedric's & Thad's theories were right on "Point" about the "State of
>> New Native DAWS"!! This product proves it big time..
>>
>> I guess we'll have to wait and see how this namm show goes.. So far,so
>> good
>> :)
>> LaMont
>>
>>Hi Jamie as a current owner of Logic 7 and 5.3 Win, I have been excited about
Logic's audio recording performance.
The app is stil the same as when I purchased it back in 1997. Yes, the instruments
are very good, and I still think that Logic's sequencer is in league of it's
own. However, while Steingberge re-wrote the entire audio engine in Cubase
SX, Logic and DP is esentially the same app.
The audio engine is not as sleek and fast as is SX/Nuendo PT,or even Paris..No
sample accurate editing. The Logic look is dated.
It seems that Apple's Sountrack Pro is going inthe right direction. I only
hope that tey manage to integrate that killer Logic sequencer.. Then, Appple
will have a killer DAW.
Note: Logic's Audio Instruments are steller..
Take care.LAD
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont, what are your complaints with Logic's audio engine? And are you
>talking about Logic Pro 7.1 or an earlier version.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>jef knight wrote:
>> Apple only? fascists.
>> lol
>>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/symphony.php
>>> Wow, jsut when I was making fuss about the Mid-Level DSP(PCI) range or
>>> non-existence
>>> of this market segment, they anouce this.
>>>
>>> Logic Audio is nice, but a little dated. Still one of the best midi
>>> sequencers,
>>> it audio engine leaves a lot to be desired.
>>> That said, Aplle has new Macs, maybe just maybe they already have a kill
>>> new version of Logic or Sountrack Pro.??? :)
>>>
>>> If so, thsi could send shock waves thru out the industry. And, I must
>>> admit
>>> that Dedric's & Thad's theories were right on "Point" about the "State
of
>>> New Native DAWS"!! This product proves it big time..
>>>
>>> I guess we'll have to wait and see how this namm show goes.. So far,so
>>> good
>>> :)
>>> LaMont
>>>
>>>I'm thinking about buying a new sound card. I've been looking at the M
Audio Delta 1010LT (200.00). It would replace my verneable SB Live! (I
always wondered what that exclamation point was about -like its really
A-live -like maybe late at night it grows webbed feet, turns green and gets
up and walks around the studio???!!) The 1010 would live (!) in the same
box as my Paris card. Does anybody see a problem with this? To date, the SB
Live! has gotten along just fine with the EDS card.
Thanks all.
MRHi Mike,
The Delta 1010LT should be fine in a 1 or 2 card Paris system.
The 1010LT is unbalanced analog and the converters are not that great
sounding compared to the rack version of the 1010. If you are just going
to use the SPDIF to go into Paris then you would be best of to use the
Audiophile 2496.
Chris
Mike R. wrote:
> I'm thinking about buying a new sound card. I've been looking at the M
> Audio Delta 1010LT (200.00). It would replace my verneable SB Live! (I
> always wondered what that exclamation point was about -like its really
> A-live -like maybe late at night it grows webbed feet, turns green and gets
> up and walks around the studio???!!) The 1010 would live (!) in the same
> box as my Paris card. Does anybody see a problem with this? To date, the SB
> Live! has gotten along just fine with the EDS card.
> Thanks all.
> MR
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com1 Black Mec
1 Blue Mec
442
3 eds1000
Well I finaly got paris to booth without no errors, but its showing different
cards on different Mecs and submixes,
I want black Mec as Master and Submix A which is connected to card 1
I want blue Mec as Mec 2 and Submix B which is connected to card 2
And 442 as 3 interface as Submix C which is conneted to card 3
In the configuration in Paris, i have to set the MasterCard on B to bootup
without errors. in the Patch Bay it shows the Blue Mec which is hooked up
to card 2 as Mec A Modules and the Black Mec which is hooked up to Card 1
as Mec B Modules.
I do have BNC Cable hooked up for word clock. i also when put in UseHouseSync=1
in the paris.cfg file and it gave me a could inialize paris engine. check
all cards seperately and they all work good, checked all cables,all good.
Its works, but i want
Black mec as Master and Submix 1 with Card A
Blue Mec as Submix 2 with Card B
442 as Submix 3 with Card C
Thanks for any Helpkiller! no wonder they dumped Paris. they must have made a killing
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43cde617$1@linux...
>
> You guys don't have to worry about drums anymore, Creative Labs has us
covered!
>
>
> http://www.prodikeys.com/products/p..._Drums_High.wmvThey also make a pretty good sounding Firewire version of the Audiophile,
and then you don't need to sweat the use of a PCI slot that way. My native
apps never lose the card, but ProTools M Powered does, so mileage may vary.
AA
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:43cecbe6$1@linux...
> Hi Mike,
> The Delta 1010LT should be fine in a 1 or 2 card Paris system.
> The 1010LT is unbalanced analog and the converters are not that great
> sounding compared to the rack version of the 1010. If you are just going
> to use the SPDIF to go into Paris then you would be best of to use the
> Audiophile 2496.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Mike R. wrote:
>> I'm thinking about buying a new sound card. I've been looking at the M
>> Audio Delta 1010LT (200.00). It would replace my verneable SB Live! (I
>> always wondered what that exclamation point was about -like its really
>> A-live -like maybe late at night it grows webbed feet, turns green and
>> gets
>> up and walks around the studio???!!) The 1010 would live (!) in the same
>> box as my Paris card. Does anybody see a problem with this? To date, the
>> SB
>> Live! has gotten along just fine with the EDS card.
>> Thanks all.
>> MR
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.comHey Chris,
Thanks for replying man. Hope you're well.
Scheesh, I've been so focused on just getting enough outputs I hadn't really
thought too much about sound quality. I'm trying to get two outs for Acid,
at least two for some soft synths and I need one output for a smpte signal
from Acid to my Unitor (to sync up Logic on my Mac). If I went with the
Audiophile, I'd have to run Acid in mono. I thought about running the spdif
from the Audiophile into Paris, so I could monitor Acid in stereo. But, its
been easier to route all my synths into a mix board rather than fire up
Paris everytime I want to write. Always tradeoffs when one's budget is
limited (and maybe when its not...) I may go with my first instincts and
try the Audiophile. Thanks again for the input. Golden as usual.
MR
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:43cecbe6$1@linux...
> Hi Mike,
> The Delta 1010LT should be fine in a 1 or 2 card Paris system.
> The 1010LT is unbalanced analog and the converters are not that great
> sounding compared to the rack version of the 1010. If you are just going
> to use the SPDIF to go into Paris then you would be best of to use the
> Audiophile 2496.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Mike R. wrote:
> > I'm thinking about buying a new sound card. I've been looking at the M
> > Audio Delta 1010LT (200.00). It would replace my verneable SB Live! (I
> > always wondered what that exclamation point was about -like its really
> > A-live -like maybe late at night it grows webbed feet, turns green and
gets
> > up and walks around the studio???!!) The 1010 would live (!) in the
same
> > box as my Paris card. Does anybody see a problem with this? To date,
the SB
> > Live! has gotten along just fine with the EDS card.
> > Thanks all.
> > MR
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.comAaron,
Thanks for the post. I'll have a look see.
MR
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
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Tue, 03 January 2006 16:08 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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gt; They also make a pretty good sounding Firewire version of the Audiophile,
> and then you don't need to sweat the use of a PCI slot that way. My native
> apps never lose the card, but ProTools M Powered does, so mileage may
vary.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:43cecbe6$1@linux...
> > Hi Mike,
> > The Delta 1010LT should be fine in a 1 or 2 card Paris system.
> > The 1010LT is unbalanced analog and the converters are not that great
> > sounding compared to the rack version of the 1010. If you are just going
> > to use the SPDIF to go into Paris then you would be best of to use the
> > Audiophile 2496.
> >
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Mike R. wrote:
> >> I'm thinking about buying a new sound card. I've been looking at the M
> >> Audio Delta 1010LT (200.00). It would replace my verneable SB Live! (I
> >> always wondered what that exclamation point was about -like its really
> >> A-live -like maybe late at night it grows webbed feet, turns green and
> >> gets
> >> up and walks around the studio???!!) The 1010 would live (!) in the
same
> >> box as my Paris card. Does anybody see a problem with this? To date,
the
> >> SB
> >> Live! has gotten along just fine with the EDS card.
> >> Thanks all.
> >> MR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Chris Ludwig
> >
> > ADK Pro Audio
> > (859) 635-5762
> > www.adkproaudio.com
> > chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
>Sounds like you don't have an external clock source? If that's the case, no
go bro. Paris has an internal word clock limit of two interfaces (be they
MEC or 442) w/o having to purchase some external clock love. If you actually
got it to boot that way and see everything, you're the only guy I know of. I
sure wouldn't think that would be stable even that being the case.
Did I miss anything?
AA
"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message news:43ced1bc$1@linux...
>
> 1 Black Mec
> 1 Blue Mec
> 442
> 3 eds1000
>
> Well I finaly got paris to booth without no errors, but its showing
> different
> cards on different Mecs and submixes,
> I want black Mec as Master and Submix A which is connected to card 1
> I want blue Mec as Mec 2 and Submix B which is connected to card 2
> And 442 as 3 interface as Submix C which is conneted to card 3
>
> In the configuration in Paris, i have to set the MasterCard on B to bootup
> without errors. in the Patch Bay it shows the Blue Mec which is hooked up
> to card 2 as Mec A Modules and the Black Mec which is hooked up to Card 1
> as Mec B Modules.
> I do have BNC Cable hooked up for word clock. i also when put in
> UseHouseSync=1
> in the paris.cfg file and it gave me a could inialize paris engine. check
> all cards seperately and they all work good, checked all cables,all good.
> Its works, but i want
> Black mec as Master and Submix 1 with Card A
> Blue Mec as Submix 2 with Card B
> 442 as Submix 3 with Card C
>
> Thanks for any Help
>That being said, I just found a vintage piece of Telefunken gear that I must
have for my studio, or else I will die:
http://tinyurl.com/94fb4
-Chris
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>
>Amen brother, Amen. :-)
>
>"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>DAWs and analog summing???
>>>What are your thoughts?
>>
>>I think that the folks selling equipment have to have something to sell.
>> As we do more and more inside the box, they have less and less to sell.
>> Thus the mania over mic preamps, and the almost religious belief that
everyone
>>must have an assortment. (With GML, API and Fearn, I'm not immune). Now
>>they are trying to suggest that we also need an assortment of AD converters
>>to use with different instruments and signal paths. Never mind that the
>>choice of mic and placement have an order of magnitude more impact on what
>>gets recorded.
>>
>>Mixing in the box is different, and requires a different approach to mixing
>>through a console or summing box. Folks like George Massenberg mix through
>>a console because they can work much faster, not least because they are
>very
>>familiar with that process.
>>
>>I think the quality of converters is so high now (assuming professional
>units)
>>that multiple trips in and out of the box don't degrade the signal appreciably.
>>
>>I also think the folks at Gearslutz and elsewhere should stop talking about
>>mic pres and record something.
>>
>>Now I will go get my coffee and shut up. :)
>>
>Rich, im using truths here in my studio. Had em for 2 years, they work good,
good dB for the $. They do have kind of a strange thing goin on in the mids
but its manageable once you get to know them. The signal filtering
capability in the back is kinda cool. I'm due for a change soon thow, so far
its the HR 824s or the Dyna's for me.
Rob_A
www.studiomanitou.com
"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43ce6fcf$1@linux...
>
> yea I know the "B" company again...
> I use NS10's with a JBL sub and Alesis power amp now. I'm looking for
powered
> monitors that are easier to move between systems as I work on a friends
system
> also.
>
> I have listened to the Mackies - Dyna 5's, truths (8") and event
20/20's...
> The Dyna's were the best (my take) but were like $900 vs 300 for the
Truths.
> I have not heard the Yorkvilles mentioned in a post as I could not find
> a local dealer here but was hoping that someone used the Truths and could
> let me know what they thought. This is for a project studio (3 card Paris
> mostly pop/rock) so money is as always a major factor...
> Thanks in advance this place is awwwsomeYou might find this useful: Sample accurate editing is there in Logic's
waveform editor, including "show as sample and hold" to see the
individual bit values represented. Not sure when that was added.
What do you mean by "sleek and fast"? Do you mean the interface design?
It seems reasonably CPU efficient already.
Do you have any complaints about the sound?
I think the interface could be improved in some areas. Long-clicking
instead of right-clicking is old baggage. The environment window needs
attention, and Logic could require it less.
But version 7 was a good step toward cleaning up the GUI. As it works
now, many parts of the interface are very fast and put useful info where
you need to see and interact with it. They finally added the ability to
drag or copy plugins from track to track - very PARIS like. :^)
I can edit audio with Logic in comparable ways to PARIS, moving regions
around and adding crossfades within the same track. Again, very fast.
And Logic's automation is more comprehensive and quick to edit.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> Hi Jamie as a current owner of Logic 7 and 5.3 Win, I have been excited about
> Logic's audio recording performance.
>
> The app is stil the same as when I purchased it back in 1997. Yes, the instruments
> are very good, and I still think that Logic's sequencer is in league of it's
> own. However, while Steingberge re-wrote the entire audio engine in Cubase
> SX, Logic and DP is esentially the same app.
>
> The audio engine is not as sleek and fast as is SX/Nuendo PT,or even Paris..No
> sample accurate editing. The Logic look is dated.
>
> It seems that Apple's Sountrack Pro is going inthe right direction. I only
> hope that tey manage to integrate that killer Logic sequencer.. Then, Appple
> will have a killer DAW.
>
>
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Tue, 03 January 2006 16:15 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Note: Logic's Audio Instruments are steller..
> Take care.LAD
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>>LaMont, what are your complaints with Logic's audio engine? And are you
>
>
>>talking about Logic Pro 7.1 or an earlier version.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>jef knight wrote:
>>
>>>Apple only? fascists.
>>>lol
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/symphony.php
>>>>Wow, jsut when I was making fuss about the Mid-Level DSP(PCI) range or
>
>
>>>>non-existence
>>>>of this market segment, they anouce this.
>>>>
>>>>Logic Audio is nice, but a little dated. Still one of the best midi
>>>>sequencers,
>>>>it audio engine leaves a lot to be desired.
>>>>That said, Aplle has new Macs, maybe just maybe they already have a kill
>>>>new version of Logic or Sountrack Pro.??? :)
>>>>
>>>>If so, thsi could send shock waves thru out the industry. And, I must
>
>
>>>>admit
>>>>that Dedric's & Thad's theories were right on "Point" about the "State
>
> of
>
>>>>New Native DAWS"!! This product proves it big time..
>>>>
>>>>I guess we'll have to wait and see how this namm show goes.. So far,so
>
>
>>>>good
>>>>:)
>>>>LaMont
>>>>
>>>>
>
>Hehe, now we could all use one of those! ;o)
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>
>That being said, I just found a vintage piece of Telefunken gear that I
must
>have for my studio, or else I will die:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/94fb4
>
>-Chris
>
>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>
>>Amen brother, Amen. :-)
>>
>>"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>DAWs and analog summing???
>>>>What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>>I think that the folks selling equipment have to have something to sell.
>>> As we do more and more inside the box, they have less and less to sell.
>>> Thus the mania over mic preamps, and the almost religious belief that
>everyone
>>>must have an assortment. (With GML, API and Fearn, I'm not immune). Now
>>>they are trying to suggest that we also need an assortment of AD converters
>>>to use with different instruments and signal paths. Never mind that the
>>>choice of mic and placement have an order of magnitude more impact on
what
>>>gets recorded.
>>>
>>>Mixing in the box is different, and requires a different approach to mixing
>>>through a console or summing box. Folks like George Massenberg mix through
>>>a console because they can work much faster, not least because they are
>>very
>>>familiar with that process.
>>>
>>>I think the quality of converters is so high now (assuming professional
>>units)
>>>that multiple trips in and out of the box don't degrade the signal appreciably.
>>>
>>>I also think the folks at Gearslutz and elsewhere should stop talking
about
>>>mic pres and record something.
>>>
>>>Now I will go get my coffee and shut up. :)
>>>
>>
>I used Logic a bit last year and found it to be very slow in some areas like
the mixer/environment. Making adjustments to the GUI takes a lot of time But
it has great synths!
Bill
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43ceeea7$1@linux...
>
> You might find this useful: Sample accurate editing is there in Logic's
> waveform editor, including "show as sample and hold" to see the individual
> bit values represented. Not sure when that was added.
>
> What do you mean by "sleek and fast"? Do you mean the interface design? It
> seems reasonably CPU efficient already.
>
> Do you have any complaints about the sound?
>
> I think the interface could be improved in some areas. Long-clicking
> instead of right-clicking is old baggage. The environment window needs
> attention, and Logic could require it less.
>
> But version 7 was a good step toward cleaning up the GUI. As it works now,
> many parts of the interface are very fast and put useful info where you
> need to see and interact with it. They finally added the ability to drag
> or copy plugins from track to track - very PARIS like. :^)
>
> I can edit audio with Logic in comparable ways to PARIS, moving regions
> around and adding crossfades within the same track. Again, very fast. And
> Logic's automation is more comprehensive and quick to edit.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> LaMont wrote:
>> Hi Jamie as a current owner of Logic 7 and 5.3 Win, I have been excited
>> about
>> Logic's audio recording performance.
>>
>> The app is stil the same as when I purchased it back in 1997. Yes, the
>> instruments
>> are very good, and I still think that Logic's sequencer is in league of
>> it's
>> own. However, while Steingberge re-wrote the entire audio engine in
>> Cubase
>> SX, Logic and DP is esentially the same app. The audio engine is not as
>> sleek and fast as is SX/Nuendo PT,or even Paris..No
>> sample accurate editing. The Logic look is dated.
>>
>> It seems that Apple's Sountrack Pro is going inthe right direction. I
>> only
>> hope that tey manage to integrate that killer Logic sequencer.. Then,
>> Appple
>> will have a killer DAW. Note: Logic's Audio Instruments are steller..
>> Take care.LAD
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>>LaMont, what are your complaints with Logic's audio engine? And are you
>>
>>
>>>talking about Logic Pro 7.1 or an earlier version.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>jef knight wrote:
>>>
>>>>Apple only? fascists.
>>>>lol
>>>>
>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/symphony.php
>>>>>Wow, jsut when I was making fuss about the Mid-Level DSP(PCI) range or
>>
>>
>>>>>non-existence
>>>>>of this market segment, they anouce this.
>>>>>
>>>>>Logic Audio is nice, but a little dated. Still one of the best midi
>>>>>sequencers,
>>>>>it audio engine leaves a lot to be desired.
>>>>>That said, Aplle has new Macs, maybe just maybe they already have a
>>>>>kill
>>>>>new version of Logic or Sountrack Pro.??? :)
>>>>>
>>>>>If so, thsi could send shock waves thru out the industry. And, I must
>>
>>
>>>>>admit
>>>>>that Dedric's & Thad's theories were right on "Point" about the "State
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>New Native DAWS"!! This product proves it big time..
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess we'll have to wait and see how this namm show goes.. So far,so
>>
>>
>>>>>good
>>>>>:)
>>>>>LaMont
>>>>>
>>OK, I was able to get permission from the copyright owner to
post these temporarily. Just to give you a quickie background
on how these came to pass, Anubis Spire is a Progressive band
from upstate New York, and they apparently have a pretty big
cult following... big enough, in fact, to where a NYC-based
indie label is doing an Anubis Spire Tribute CD. BTW, Anubis
Spire's music comprised a good part of the soundtrack to the
documentary DVD: "Led Zeppelin, the making of a Supergroup" (in
Europe, it's disctributed under the title: "Led Zeppelin, the
making of a Legend"); the folks behind the DVD wanted to use
music from artists that had been influenced by Led Zeppelin, as
opposed to using actual Zep tunes.... who knows - could've been
a licensing problem, but whatever.
In any event, I'm doing two of the songs on the tribute CD, and
you can check out the clips here:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/images/Clip-DramaTraumaAndAwkw ardGrace.mp3
http://www.saqqararecords.com/images/Clip-UnderneathTheRoswe llSun.mp3
Or if theose links come apart, just go to this page & look
right at the top:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/html/Misc%20Audio.htm
I know a number of you guys have heard my stuff before, so check
the difference between what you've heard vs. these new
convertors I was mentioning... I think these are MUCH nicer for
this style of music.
Neil
"Neil" <IUOI@IOU.com> wrote:
>
>Rick, yes I was listening to both through the RME convertors -
>the ISA card does not have a direct PCI interface, so in my
>case, the RME's still serve as the output to the monitors, no
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Tue, 03 January 2006 16:36 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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t; <OIUOIU@IOU.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>First off, I should state that I like the RME convertors in my
>>>Multiface because of their transparency & shall we
>>>say: "cleanliness", but I recently picked up an i/o card for my
>>>ISA428, wherein I can either use the pre's in that or go direct
>>>line-in from another source, then SPDIF or lightpipe out to the
>>>RME & into the DAW from there. I just finished a mix where I
>>>tracked everything through the ISA (just to kinda compare with
>>>other stuff I've done using solely the RME's) & lightpiped into
>>>the RME, and I'm sitting there grooving on it, and
>>>thinking "Hey, this sounds pretty damn good!".
>>>
>>>Then I pull up another song in a somewhat similar vein that I
>>>had tracked completely through the Multiface - one that I had
>>>thought was also sounding pretty good - and I was shocked.
>>>Total, complete, utter crap compared to the ISA convertors!!!
>>>
>>>Now, in listeneing to a different song that was tracked through
>>>the RME's, yet wasn't quite as hard-rock-ish, stood up really
>>>well when compared to the song tracked through the ISA
>>>convertors, but for the bigger, richer, harder-edged stuff,
>>>there was no comparison - it was like night and day (and now I'm
>>>depressed because this, of course, means I have to retrack
>>>everything on the new CD, using the ISA convertors LOL).
>>>
>>>Just an FYI for anyone looking at a new front end; There are 8
>>>in's on the ISA 428 (4 mic pre/line-in/instrument-in channels,
>>>and 4 separate line-in's), and if you get the optional i/o card
>>>you can send 8 channels out through the digital outputs at
>>>44.1k, and 4 channels out at 88.2k or higher.
>>>
>>>If I can get permission from the copyright holder to post a
>>>clip so you can hear what I'm talking about, I'll do it.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
>Ok did away with the 442
Got Black Mec which is my master to Card 2 (monitors out)
Got Blue Mec to Card 1
Paris Config to Master card A
Gives me this
Error initializing Engine. No interface was connected to master card
so i unplugged one so i could change the Paris config Master Card
When i switch Paris Config to Master card B, it boots up and in the patch
bay the Black Mec which is on Card 2 shows up as Mec Module A and the Blue
Mec which is on card 1 shows up as Mec Module B
They both show Word clock on front of mecs
Black shows 44.1 khz
Blue shows 48.0 khz
When i Hook Black Mec which is my master to Card 1 (monitors out)
Got Blue Mec to Card 2
Paris Config to Master card A
Word Cables Hooked up
and got this on the boot
Error initializing Engine. Error code 7/7
Anybody ?Hook up ONE mec at a time. Find the master card, it won't initialize Paris
software until you do, so it's a no brainer at that point. Then, put the
other MEC that you want to add on the last EDS card in the food chain, card
C. Make sure the word clock is going from master interface MEC to slave
interface MEC (that's A to C). Some have subjected it may be more stable to
add a BNC terminator on the last MEC in the chain - I don't use one and
can't say I feel I've needed one, either. YMMV.
This is the rig I've been running a few years and it's been w/o any 7/7 or
18/12 or any other wierdness in finding hardware, _excepting_ the adat/WinXP
limitation of one adat card per MEC.
AA
"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message news:43cf03be$1@linux...
>
> Ok did away with the 442
>
> Got Black Mec which is my master to Card 2 (monitors out)
> Got Blue Mec to Card 1
> Paris Config to Master card A
> Gives me this
> Error initializing Engine. No interface was connected to master card
> so i unplugged one so i could change the Paris config Master Card
>
> When i switch Paris Config to Master card B, it boots up and in the patch
> bay the Black Mec which is on Card 2 shows up as Mec Module A and the Blue
> Mec which is on card 1 shows up as Mec Module B
> They both show Word clock on front of mecs
> Black shows 44.1 khz
> Blue shows 48.0 khz
>
> When i Hook Black Mec which is my master to Card 1 (monitors out)
> Got Blue Mec to Card 2
> Paris Config to Master card A
> Word Cables Hooked up
>
> and got this on the boot
> Error initializing Engine. Error code 7/7
>
> Anybody ?
>
>For me, a dual G5 with Logic is low latency enough to record with
software monitoring enabled, which allows plugin FX to be heard during
tracking (they don't get recorded of course, you can change them later).
Alternatively, some interfaces (MOTU 828MII, for example) offer hardware
monitoring with a set of sends/returns so you can dedicate a hardware
reverb for tracking - if you want the lowest latency, essentially no
latency, signal path.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
John wrote:
> Cubase forums say "You wont be able to hear any effects whilst
> recording, but you can keep the buffers high in cubase"
>
> Sound like daws are still in the dark ages. Do any of them let you hear
> the effects whilst recording not to mention having plugin latency
> compensation. 16 i/os would be nice too.
>
> Gary Flanigan wrote:
>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@amerietch.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I would agree that Steignber's Cubase SX & Nuendo are one thee most
>>> stable
>>> DAW's in the business. Logic Audio on a good fast Mac is solid. As is
>>> Sonar
>>> & Digital Performer. All i al, I would have to say that all of
>>> today's native
>>> DAWs, including ProTools LE & M-Powered are rock solid stable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does Pro Tools LE & M-Powered have plugin latency compensation?Aaaa! You got it for free, didn't you?! ;-)
Cheers!
Suad
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43cdc8c8@linux...
> Yup, I promised not to tell though : ?)
>
> "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43cdb3ff@linux...
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ...so you finally bought 3.0 software?
> >
> > How much?
> >
> > Suad
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43cdaee2@linux...
> > > I'm using 9.0 with xp and 3.0 without problems, but no guarantee of
> > course.
> > > Edna
> > >
> > > "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43cc701c@linux...
> > > > Of course... Ghost is my No.1 application.
> > > > I can't imagine life without it..
> > > >
> > > > The problem is that I'm booked and don't have a time for
> experiments...
> > > > ...there is nothing worse than computer related problems in presence
> > > > of clients...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and cheers.
> > > >
> > > > Suad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> > > > news:43cc69ea$1@linux...
> > > > > Set a ghost point/system restore point before you do ANYTHING
> > > > >
> > > > > Then, you'll have a safe place to get back to if the install goes
> sour
> > > for
> > > > > DX9c.
> > > > > AA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43cc53ba@linux...
> > > > > > I'm using Win XP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Must install DirectX 9c because Sony Vegas requiers it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Till now I used DirectX 8.1
> > > > > >> Are there any issues with PARIS and DirectX 9c.
> > > > > >> Which is the best DirectX version for PARIS????
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Need help as soon as possible.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Suad
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>No, actually just trying it out courtesy of a local user here who thinks I
might buy his pro rig - I'll try to get him to take a horse! :)
cheerios!
"Suad" <suad@sail.hr> wrote in message news:43cf1105@linux...
> Aaaa! You got it for free, didn't you?! ;-)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Suad
>
>
> "Edna" <
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Tue, 03 January 2006 19:45 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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t;>>>>If so, thsi could send shock waves thru out the industry. And, I must
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>admit
>>>>>>>that Dedric's & Thad's theories were right on "Point" about the "State
>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>New Native DAWS"!! This product proves it big time..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I guess we'll have to wait and see how this namm show goes.. So far,so
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>good
>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>LaMont
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>My Black Mec which is Master Mec A stays on 44.1khz
My Blue Mec B is on 48.khz
They both set on word clock
I'm i missing something here?
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Kip,
>My rig has one adat card in each MEC.. put them in the last position on
the
>far right. I also have a 8 in and 8 out in my MEC A, and each MEC has an
>IF/2 on it as well.
>AA
>
>"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message news:43cf3438$1@linux...
>>
>> i took out the adat card from mec A so far so good
>>
>> Thanks Aaron
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Hook up ONE mec at a time. Find the master card, it won't initialize Paris
>>
>>>software until you do, so it's a no brainer at that point. Then, put the
>>
>>>other MEC that you want to add on the last EDS card in the food chain,
>>>card
>>
>>>C. Make sure the word clock is going from master interface MEC to slave
>>
>>>interface MEC (that's A to C). Some have subjected it may be more stable
>> to
>>>add a BNC terminator on the last MEC in the chain - I don't use one and
>>
>>>can't say I feel I've needed one, either. YMMV.
>>>
>>>This is the rig I've been running a few years and it's been w/o any 7/7
>> or
>>>18/12 or any other wierdness in finding hardware, _excepting_ the
>>>adat/WinXP
>>
>>>limitation of one adat card per MEC.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message news:43cf03be$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Ok did away with the 442
>>>>
>>>> Got Black Mec which is my master to Card 2 (monitors out)
>>>> Got Blue Mec to Card 1
>>>> Paris Config to Master card A
>>>> Gives me this
>>>> Error initializing Engine. No interface was connected to master card
>>>> so i unplugged one so i could change the Paris config Master Card
>>>>
>>>> When i switch Paris Config to Master card B, it boots up and in the
>>>> patch
>>>> bay the Black Mec which is on Card 2 shows up as Mec Module A and the
>> Blue
>>>> Mec which is on card 1 shows up as Mec Module B
>>>> They both show Word clock on front of mecs
>>>> Black shows 44.1 khz
>>>> Blue shows 48.0 khz
>>>>
>>>> When i Hook Black Mec which is my master to Card 1 (monitors out)
>>>> Got Blue Mec to Card 2
>>>> Paris Config to Master card A
>>>> Word Cables Hooked up
>>>>
>>>> and got this on the boot
>>>> Error initializing Engine. Error code 7/7
>>>>
>>>> Anybody ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>That's a known bug. The light is 'wrong' on any slave MEC units, and should
be ignored. Here's a pic of my setup from the front so you can see at a
glance how my functional expansion cards are set up.
AA
"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message news:43cf3ec2@linux...
>
> My Black Mec which is Master Mec A stays on 44.1khz
> My Blue Mec B is on 48.khz
> They both set on word clock
>
> I'm i missing something here?
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Kip,
>>My rig has one adat card in each MEC.. put them in the last position on
> the
>>far right. I also have a 8 in and 8 out in my MEC A, and each MEC has an
>
>>IF/2 on it as well.
>>AA
>>
>>"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message news:43cf3438$1@linux...
>>>
>>> i took out the adat card from mec A so far so good
>>>
>>> Thanks Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Hook up ONE mec at a time. Find the master card, it won't initialize
>>>>Paris
>>>
>>>>software until you do, so it's a no brainer at that point. Then, put the
>>>
>>>>other MEC that you want to add on the last EDS card in the food chain,
>
>>>>card
>>>
>>>>C. Make sure the word clock is going from master interface MEC to slave
>>>
>>>>interface MEC (that's A to C). Some have subjected it may be more stable
>>> to
>>>>add a BNC terminator on the last MEC in the chain - I don't use one and
>>>
>>>>can't say I feel I've needed one, either. YMMV.
>>>>
>>>>This is the rig I've been running a few years and it's been w/o any 7/7
>>> or
>>>>18/12 or any other wierdness in finding hardware, _excepting_ the
>>>>adat/WinXP
>>>
>>>>limitation of one adat card per MEC.
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:43cf03be$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok did away with the 442
>>>>>
>>>>> Got Black Mec which is my master to Card 2 (monitors out)
>>>>> Got Blue Mec to Card 1
>>>>> Paris Config to Master card A
>>>>> Gives me this
>>>>> Error initializing Engine. No interface was connected to master card
>>>>> so i unplugged one so i could change the Paris config Master Card
>>>>>
>>>>> When i switch Paris Config to Master card B, it boots up and in the
>
>>>>> patch
>>>>> bay the Black Mec which is on Card 2 shows up as Mec Module A and the
>>> Blue
>>>>> Mec which is on card 1 shows up as Mec Module B
>>>>> They both show Word clock on front of mecs
>>>>> Black shows 44.1 khz
>>>>> Blue shows 48.0 khz
>>>>>
>>>>> When i Hook Black Mec which is my master to Card 1 (monitors out)
>>>>> Got Blue Mec to Card 2
>>>>> Paris Config to Master card A
>>>>> Word Cables Hooked up
>>>>>
>>>>> and got this on the boot
>>>>> Error initializing Engine. Error code 7/7
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
"Kip Sonnier" <fender36@cox.net> wrote:
>
Should i have UseHouseSync=1 in my paris cfg.?
because when i put that, it tells me
No interface connected to master card
>My Black Mec which is Master Mec A stays on 44.1khz
>My Blue Mec B is on 48.khz
>They both set on word clock
>
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Wed, 04 January 2006 08:54 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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omewhat
>>>>>>>acquainted
>>>>>>>with the Performer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Greg, the remainder of this email is a canned response for first time
>>>>>>>inquiries
>>>>>>>that answers your specific questions as well as other common
>>>>>>>questions.
>>>>>>>It's also loaded with information to help you understand the tuning
>>>>>>>system
>>>>>>>and how we do business. Please do not interpret the canned response to
>>>>>>>mean
>>>>>>>I'm not a friendly guy, I'll give you all of the personal attention
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>need.
>>>>>>>Please read on and write or call back with any other questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Currently we offer the Performer tuning system installation in a small
>>>>>>>number
>>>>>>>of guitar styles. You can supply the guitar for the Performer
>>>>>>>installation
>>>>>>>or we can purchase one for you at a great price. We have special
>>>>>>>arrangements
>>>>>>>with guitar manufacturers and their distributors that allow us to pass
>>>>>>>incredible
>>>>>>>savings to our customers. Let me know if you are interested in a new
>>>>>>>guitar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The price for the Performer system and installation varies depending
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>guitar it's going in. The prices and specifics are covered again in
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>FAQ I've pasted in below. In summary, the full installation in a Les
>>>>>>>Paul
>>>>>>>or Telecaster is $3,399, and in a Stratocaster is $3,899. The
>>>>>>>additional
>>>>>>>$500 for the Strat covers a new body that is built and painted the
>>>>>>>color
>>>>>>>of your choice. The purchase includes the system and installation,
>>>>>>>power
>>>>>>>supply, power cable, footswitch, user's manual, 1 year limited
>>>>>>>warranty
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>technical support. We also offer an accessory kit for battery
>>>>>>>operation
>>>>>>>for an additional $250.00. The Accessory kit includes a rechargeable
>>>>>>>battery,
>>>>>>>guitar strap battery carrier, cables and charging system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We custom install every Performer system here at our shop. We use
>>>>>>>special
>>>>>>>milling tools and a CNC machine to rout out the cavities and a complex
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>based platform during the testing. Due to the complexity of the
>>>>>>>system
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>installation, we only install in Les Pauls, Teles, Strats and
>>>>>>>replicas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From time to time we have fully assembled Les Pauls, Teles or Strats
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>the Performer system installed and ready for purchase. The sales
>>>>>>>prices
>>>>>>>vary depending on the guitar model. The average price in a Les Paul,
>>>>>>>including
>>>>>>>the guitar, is around $5,200. We offer some discounts, which are
>>>>>>>mentioned
>>>>>>>at the end of the FAQ below, so please keep reading, and contact me if
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>would like specifics on the guitar or the system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Performer model is pricey, but well worth the investment. Most
>>>>>>>purchasers
>>>>>>>simply shy away when they see the price tag without even exploring the
>>>>>>>possibilities.
>>>>>>>I invite you to call me to discuss the product; I'd like the
>>>>>>>opportunity
>>>>>>>to explain the system in detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Performer was recently featured on Discovery Channel Canada on a
>>>>>>>program
>>>>>>>called Shannon's Gadgets. The piece is titled Science of a Rock Star.
>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>piece features Jeff Martin of the Tea Party, and Jeff explains how he
>>>>>>>uses
>>>>>>>it live and for writing. I invite you to view the 6 minute
>>>>>>>presentation
>>>>>>>at http://www.exn.ca/Stories/2004/04/20/51.asp?t=dp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I invite you to join our mailing list by clicking on the following
>>>>>>>link.
>>>>>>>As a member of our mailing list you'll get first hand information on
>>>>>>>guitars
>>>>>>>for sale, new products, special event information and product updates.
>>>>>>> http://transperformance.com/mailing/index1.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We recently launched a public ftp site that is loaded with cool stuff.
>>>>>>>Videos,
>>>>>>>songs, pictures, artist media, chord and scale programs, alternate
>>>>>>>tuning
>>>>>>>libraries and manuals. I invite you to click the link and take a
>>>>>>>look.
>>>>>>>www.selftuning.com/files You are welcome to download any or all of
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>material
>>>>>>>at the ftp site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NEWS MEDIA COVERAGE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>C.Net.com
>>>>>>>1-11-06
>>>>>>>Two Pages, C Net News interviews Neil Skinn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Engadget.com
>>>>>>>12-22-05
>>>>>>>Paragraph, photo of Peter Frampton's second Performer and blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gizmodo.com
>>>>>>>12-22-05
>>>>>>>Paragraph, photo of white Telecaster and blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>News.Yahoo.com
>>>>>>>12-22-05
>>>>>>>Paragraph, photo of white Telecaster and blog
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gizmag.com
>>>>>>>12-24-05
>>>>>>>One Page article, photo of white Stratocaster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lenta.ru
>>>>>>>12-27-05
>>>>>>>Written in a foreign language, photo of Peter Frampt
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