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| New mixing monitors [message #88150] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 20:13  |
Wayne Carson
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ail outlets. Of course, someone like me will
>> be buying stuff online at blowout prices, rolling my own and so on. But
for
>> the 'Joe six pack' crowd (crucial to Apple since they actively thumb their
>> noses at corporate/institutional buyers like me so won't be getting any
serious
>> traction there) having their machines in a Best Buy or Wal-Mart or whatever
>> would certainly shift some units. The Apple stores are nice, but it's
not
>> like there's one in every mall in America. But as you say, they want to
protect
>> their cool factor and diluting the 'Mac experience' by mixing with the
plebes
>> won't enhance that and might detract from it.
>>
>> Think Debian,
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> In response to this article:
>>>
>>> http://www.247wallst.com/2007/09/apple-keeping-m.html
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>>> Analysts are so short sighted it borders on the absurd.
>>>
>>> What's the production cost of an Armani suit? 50 bucks? Do you think
Armani
>>> is going to get in bed with WalMart. No freaking way.
>>>
>>> As tech heads we continually are mystified about component cost vs sale
>> price.
>>> "I can build such and such for 300 dollars, and apple wants 1000". Apple
>>> doesn't play that game. There are thousand dollar iPod holders for christ
>>> sakes. They realize the cool factor, and in a recent exchange between
the
>>> titans Gates freely acknowledged that Jobs has it (cool), and he (bill)
>> never
>>> will.
>>>
>>> Dells margins are non-existent. Do the math, a 16% wo
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88151 is a reply to message #88150] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 20:39  |
Dedric Terry
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rld market share
at
>>> 2% margin or a 3% world market share at 20% margin.
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>>> 1000 boxes @ 500 per @ 2% = 10,000 profit
>>> 200 boxes @ 1000 per @ 20% = 40,000 profit
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>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>Have you seen the 'Apple store' section of a CompUSA recently? Every one I've
seen has been a flat out embarrassment. I don't know who is responsible for
it being so bad (my guess is a combination of CompUSA incompetence and Apple
indifference). Maybe Best Buy will be do better.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>Best Buy is already an authorized Mac reseller, although I don't know
>how many stores are involved at this point
>( http://www.bestbuy.com/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat128500050005& ;type=category).
>
>Macs are already available in special Apple departments inside CompUSA
>and MicroCenter stores.
>
>iPods (but not Macs) are available at Target.
>
>On the flip side, Dell is looking at the successful Apple store strategy
>and trying their own stores, sort of:
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> http://www.news.com/Dell+to+try+branded+stores-sans+inventor y/2100-1047_3-6075868.html
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>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>TCB wrote:
>> Nobody will make more fun of Wall Street analysts than me, and I agree
with
>> you up to a point. That said, it has been years since Apple had a real
way
>> to push their products in retail outlets. Of course, someone like me will
>> be buying stuff online at blowout prices, rolling my own and so on. But
for
>> the 'Joe six pack' crowd (crucial to Apple since they actively thumb their
>> noses at corporate/institutional buyers like me so won't be getting any
serious
>> traction there) having their machines in a Best Buy or Wal-Mart or whatever
>> would certainly shift some units. The Apple stores are nice, but it's
not
>> like there's one in every mall in America. But as you say, they want to
protect
>> their cool factor and diluting the 'Mac experience' by mixing with the
plebes
>> won't enhance that and might detract from it.
>>
>> Think Debian,
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> In response to this article:
>>>
>>> http://www.247wallst.com/2007/09/apple-keeping-m.html
>>>
>>> Analysts are so short sighted it borders on the absurd.
>>>
>>> What's the production cost of an Armani suit? 50 bucks? Do you think
Armani
>>> is going to get in bed with WalMart. No freaking way.
>>>
>>> As tech heads we continually are mystified about component cost vs sale
>> price.
>>> "I can build such and such for 300 dollars, and apple wants 1000". Apple
>>> doesn't play that game. T
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88154 is a reply to message #88150] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 20:56 |
audioguy_editout_
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Apples' forum and share your enthusiasm there? I think
>you'll have a lot more fun hearing people agree with you all of the time.
>Sorry I responded to you in the first place. My mistake. Won't happen
>again.
>
>Dedric
Your entitled to your opinion, just don't spew untruths that macs cost 40-50%
more than a PC, because it's not true. Even your pieced together PC was
not 40% less. You didn't account for the cost of shipping the parts either,
or the potential cost of tech support with multiple companies.
Why don't we all just stop? I know we all have better things to do!
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:46f3ef26$1@linux...
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>> Last I heard, Apple was having the MOBOs made by Intel, that may not be
>> every
>> model. There's no way in hell a cheap PC case can even compare to a Mac
>> Pro case, don't even try to compare them. LaMont is right, the MacPro
>> case
>> is in a totally different league! Typical Mac basher, now your going
to
>> twist Apple dropping prices and say it's a bad thing, that it's some kind
>> of rip off of the people. That's bullshit!
>>
>> Why don't you do a fair comparison like Apple to Dell or HP? You can't,
>> because you know that the difference is not 40%- 50%!
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>Lamont - I compared as close to what is really in a Mac pro as possible.
>>>I didn't spec a Tyan board simply because they had more expansion options
>>>than a Mac Pro board and most xeon server boards don't have firewire
>>>(Tyans
>>>didn't). MacPros aren't using a normal Tyan, Asus, MSI, etc server board
>> -
>>>it's a mix between a dual socket (if there are any) consumer board and
>>>lower
>>>end server as best I can tell from specs at least. Good board I'm sure,
>> but
>>>the MSI was as close to the same config as I could find.
>>>
>>>Sorry man, but MacPros don't seem to be using Tyan boards, at least not
>> ones
>>>I can find - though if you find out what they are using (along with brand
>> of
>>>Ram, HDs, etc) I would be interested to know. I would probably use a
Tyan
>>>if building a dual xeon though.
>>>
>>>However, and this is an important point to make (not against Macs - just
>> a
>>>general "what performance your money will buy" issu
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88155 is a reply to message #88150] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 22:40 |
duncan
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e), it's cheaper to
buy
>> a
>>>Conroe quad core, single cpu system than a dual xeon, and it gets about
>> 5%
>>>better performance than the dual xeons on Nuendo tests.
>>>
>>>See here: http://www.adkproaudio.com/benchmarks.cfm (hopefully Chris
>>>doesn't mind).
>>>
>>>The single quad core was noticeably better than the normally expected
half
>>>the performance of a dual quad xeon - some of that is probably due to
>>>scaling issues (don't know how that performance translates to OSX), but
>> when
>>>you look at a single quad chip beating out (even slightly) a dual 2-core
>>>xeon for 1/5th the price, you have to consider what is the best
>>>value/performance ratio. Mac or PC, there is still a premium on xeons,
>>>core-2 or quad. Certainly there are advantages to xeons over Conroes,
but
>>>when it comes to performance for what we do, I'm not seeing it (until
you
>>>get to a dual quad core, which is xeon only afaik, and not less than $5k,
>>>Mac or PC).
>>>
>>>The Coolermaster case was also the closest in size and having used one
>>>recently in a build, I know the wiring routing is clean and neat, and
the
>>>case quality is good - not amazing but good. No, it isn't a Mac Pro case,
>>>but you do know that higher end cases have more fans and drive bays than
>> a
>>>Mac case, right? You are comparing visuals to actual function, but that's
>>>not what really makes a computer well built. Also note that the power
>>>supply is probably overkill compared to a MacPro supply - doubt they are
>>>using a $100 550W, but it could be.
>>>
>>>MacPro desktop cases are great, but it's still a nice aluminum design
>>>around
>>>a basic piece of hardware - the difference is that it is designed around
>> one
>>>motherboard, not any ATX or micro ATX, or CEB - just a single motherboard,
>>>so no, there is no direct comparison, and you can't just upgrade your
>>>motherboard at will - you have to buy a new Mac to do that.
>>>
>>>iLife value? Depends on what you need. I have no direct need for iLife
>> at
>>>work, though I would probably use it if I had a Mac, but certainly it's
>> nice
>>>for home users, and to have in general.
>>>
>>>Kind of a detour, but related to the software side of this discussion:
>>>
>>>Just remember though, Apple sells software cheap (below market value even)
>>>to earn hardware customers and build brand loyalty (obviously by evidence
>>>here, it works). Logic went from being a $1000 app sans plugins to a<
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88156 is a reply to message #88151] |
Sun, 15 July 2007 22:06 |
Neil
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$500
>>>app *with* all of Emagic's plugins (which I and others paid for at one
>>>time), Soundtrack, etc; Shake went from $2500 (I've heard $5k before
>>>Apple)
>>>to $500. The animation/3D community is now wondering if Shake has a
>>>future
>>>- still a great app, but a $500 app hardly gains the support and
>>>development
>>>focus of a $2000 app. This conversation is spreading about Logic's low
>>>price. My opinion (and that of others I know) is that selling cheap
>>>software is bad for the industry longterm, so in some respects Apple users
>>>may be supporting the decline of options and higher end products in the
>>>audio market at least. Sure it looks great to Apple users, but make no
>>>mistake, Apple isn't doing the customer any favors - I'm talking about
our
>>>industry (pro audio), not the average user where iLife and iWorks are
a
>> good
>>>deal compared to other options. Just a thought - not related to the
>>>hardware discussion at hand, but since it's coming up in other
>>>conversations, it's worth passing along. Kind of hate to see Logic being
>>>sold cheap - it's a great program, but most professional industries
>>>associate quality with price.
>>>
>>>Interesting discussion - I really don't care what system anyone uses -
I
>>>just think it's wise to know the pros and cons with both to make an
>>>informed
>>>decision. Obviously our discussions are much more in depth than the
>>>average
>>>user - that's where displays and marketing make more of a difference than
>>>actual technical design and capabilities.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>On 9/21/07 8:56 AM, in article 46f3dbb2$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>><jjdpro@funk.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good comparision guys.
>>>>
>>>> What this tells me is:
>>>>
>>>> 1- All things are not equal. How much can does the iLife08? That's a
lot
>>>> of very cool software thrown in.
>>>>
>>>> 2- It's silly to compare a $60.00 cool master cast to the Mac Pro case.
>> We're
>>>> talking totally different leagues.
>>>>
>>>> 3-A MSI Mobo is not in the same league as a Tyan
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi James,
>>>>>
>>>>> True on the dual Xeons (which are quite a bit more than conroes, yet
>> a quad
>>>>> core conroe performs similarly to a dual 2-core Xeon system - actually
>>>>> better with Nuendo), at $300 or so for the cpu vs. $1500 for two
>>>>> Xeons).
>>>>>
>>>>> So 40-50% probably really only applies to laptops off the shelf, but
>> when
>>>>> comparing performance there is a single-cpu quad core option missing
>> from
>>>>> the Apple line that is much more cost effective for the same power
as
>> the
>>>>> dual xeon system (4 cores vs. 4 cores - xeons probably have the edge
>> on
>>>> buss
>>>>> performance, but given the limited PCIe slot options, that could be
>>>>> negated
>>>>> to some degree - maybe Chris Ludwig will chime in here).
>>>>>
>>>>> I've put the Newegg/TigerDirect prices for the same pa
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88159 is a reply to message #88150] |
Mon, 16 July 2007 01:21 |
Sarah
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>>>>>> Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse
>>>>>> Mac OSX and a software bundle including iLife '08
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think it's very smart of Apple to already have Parallels loaded
>> ,
>>>> so
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> Win Xpusers feel right at home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They do? Never seen it in any of the Mac displays here, but I
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>> asked
>>>>>>> about it either. Plenty of PCs around - no real need to see Windows
>>>> running
>>>>>>> on a more expensive box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So who would want to pay 40-50% more to run Windows? And how many
>> home
>>>>>>> users dual boot/switch OSs anyway? If a general-market customer
buys
>>>> a
>>>>>> Mac,
>>>>>>> they are buying the right to run OSX and a nice case. If they want
>>>>>>> Windows,
>>>>>>> PCs are much less expensive with more options.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better marketing, but the same hardware. Interesting that Apple
>>>>>>> sells
>>>> most
>>>>>>> apps pretty cheap (dropped Shake from $2500 to $500; Logic from $1000
>>>> to
>>>>>>> $500, etc), but the OS (or the hardware, take your pick) is still
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> costly than any other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like Jamie says, use what you like, like what you use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/20/07 10:21 PM, in article 46f346d1$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>>> <jjdpro@funk.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are right Dedric..HP/Compaq are the leaders.
>>>>>>>> However,the Apple interest at our Best buy is very high.I see folks,
>>>> moms
>>>>>>>> and pops, older couples, young all gathering around the dis
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88165 is a reply to message #88150] |
Mon, 16 July 2007 05:42 |
wireline[30]
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>>>> vs
>>>>>> sale
>>>>>>>>>>> price.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "I can build such and such for 300 dollars, and apple wants
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't play that game. There are thousand dollar iPod holders
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> christ
>>>>>>>>>>>> sakes. They realize the cool factor, and in a recent exchange
>> between
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> titans Gates freely acknowledged that Jobs has it (cool), and
>> he
>>>> (bill)
>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>> will.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dells margins are non-existent. Do the math, a 16% world market
>>>> share
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2% margin or a 3% world market share at 20% margin.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000 boxes @ 500 per @ 2% = 10,000 profit
>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 boxes @ 1000 per @ 20% = 40,000 profit
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>Hey Dedric good points..
I would add that, right now I'm kinda in-different about the Apple/Logic
Studio pricing. I agree with you that, perception in pro-audio is king. If
something is sold cheap, then it must not be as good as the more expensive
item. Think Paris vs Pro Tools circa 1999.
But, I did think both Nuendo and Logic 7 was overpriced a tad. I'm glad I
was an early adpoter of Nuendo and got for $600.00 back in 2001. But, if
I'm honest iwould have to say that that app(Neundo) has paid for it's self
hundreds times over. So, price is a realitive issue. I see you point.
Just like the movie Predator vs Alien, I think we the consumers of pro-audio
are caught up in a war between Apple and Microsoft(Digidesing). Yes. for
all of you who don't know, microsoft is Advid's largest investor. Bailed
them out back in 2002..
This war is going to get ugly. With blood (MOTU's Performer) becoming a scoring
daw only. As well as, Roland's Cakewalk Sonar, and yes, even Yammmy's Steingberg.
You know Digi is going to answer the bell, with a new LE/M-Powered say 128
track(64 stereo), with all the bells for $500.00
They have to at this point, or they will loose out to Apple.
Yammy can make a big play by going after the Mid-pro market with a super
cool DAW con
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88168 is a reply to message #88154] |
Mon, 16 July 2007 06:40 |
Rod Lincoln
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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C7FC9B.4CAF8450--"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>As LaMont would say, PUNKASS BITCH!
>>
>> What is it with you Detroit guys? You're all so intense - chill
>> out a bit, go to Santa Fe or Sedona or someplace mellow for a
>> vacation. No one's insulting you here - just poking a little
>> fun. Geez, Deej & I have said more sarcastic things ribbing each
>> other right here than all the stuff you're getting so bent out
>> of shape about.
>>
>>
>> Neil
>
>Let's all just take a step back, mix ourselves a hot toddy, throw another
>Mac on the fire and have a group hug.
Sorry, I can't... all my Mac's are currently busy being used as
doorstops, or holding down the back end of a kick drum mic boom
stand, and - oh yeah almost forgot, McCloskey's right, those
Mac cases really ARE great - I'm using one of 'em as an oil
drain pan underneath the car right now!
Couple more minutes/couple more quarts, I should be ready to
pull the filter.
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If it's a doorstop, you don't owe me anything at all. No kiddin'. I =
trust you. Just lunch it if it's dead.
Deej
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:46f4797a@linux...
I still owe you for the thing!!!
I can't say it was the Mec but it was at that time that the *)#& began =
to fly.
I was the navigator so blame me.
t
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =
news:46f47556@linux...
WOW!!!........man........I'm sorry you're having to go through this =
kind of grief Tom. I hope it wasn't the MEC I sent you. Was that the one =
with the black gaffers tape holding the bottom plate? If so, it's not my =
fault. I got it from R
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88170 is a reply to message #88165] |
Mon, 16 July 2007 08:41 |
John Macy
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Next I tried again in the studio with both computers and never got =
a=20
good Paris boot. Every time it wouldn't boot there was a Mec =
attached.
Even the 442 boots were flakey (no patchbay connections). I =
didn't learn=20
anything from this effort.
2 days ago I went to a techs place with the Paris comp, Deej's mec
and the 442. We used the mec throughout all testing until the =
end.
Fresh C drive, fresh Paris install.
As soon as the 442 was introduced Paris booted. Likely the Deej
mec is faulty but not necessarily.
Today I went back to my original C drive (no default proj) and =
Paris
would not boot with my other Mec that is loaded to the gills. I =
deleted
the Scherzo drivers, reloaded the new ones I just got, uninstalled =
the
subsystem and reloaded it. Once I changed to the 442 the system =
was fine.
Let me rephrase "Paris would not boot" . . . Actually it would =
usually start
up but no audio was available in the patchbay except with the 442.
My take is that the introduction of DJ's mec (whether it worked or =
didn't,
let's assume that it worked) was screwy probably by my own doing. =
I
removed it and later shorted a SCSI 2 cable at the Master Mec =
sometime during that
next week. There was smoke in the power supply area so I never =
tried that
Mec again. My other mec was attached at that time. I now think =
it fried something
in their too.
I am trying DJs and my hopefully unfried mec at another studio on =
Tuesday to confirm
that neither works. If I'm wrong then we're back to software.
It ain't over till it's over.
Tom
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"Neil" <IOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46f46d03$1@linux...
In all seriousness - THREE bad MEC's??? What's the real
likelihood of that? Unless all 3 PSU's got hit hard with a
voltage spike or something weird like that, is it really
possible that ALL of his MECs went bad?
Neil
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
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>Tom,
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I pulled
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>I've noticed a few posts recently regarding errors. Maybe no =
more than =3D
>usual, but it seemed like an unusually high number to me over =
the last =3D
>few weeks. Errors I'm not familiar with. It will have been 10 =
years in =3D
>November since Paris shipped. I wonder if the lifespan of this =
hardware
=3D
>is starting to fade. TG for TheSoniq, I guess.
>
>Deej
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D
>news:46f44c75$1@linux...
> 3 bad mecs.
>
> Hmmm?
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> I'll know for a fact next Tuesday when there's
> time to test a couple on another system.
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Mon, 16 July 2007 12:45 |
Wayne Carson
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entzen.com" target="_blank">bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>> news:46f4194a$1@linux...
>>> There was a cool feature in the 2290 that would prevent the delay from
>>> sounding until the source signal stopped. Essentially it was a triggered
>>> gate on the delay signal. Anyone know a plug like that?
>>
>> I've got one of these.
>>
>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/D-Two
>>
>> I use it sometimes. It's a nice unit with more options than I have time
to
>> mess with (like most outboard processors) but it's fairly simple to use.
>> I'm pretty sure the dynamic delay function will accomplish what you're
>> talking about. It has a 2290 preset patch that has all sorts of
>> permutations.
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
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>Hmm.......
>Dynamic Delay
>Get one of the most useful delay functions with the D-Two: The Dynamic Delay
>effect. Reduce the delay level as much as you like while the signal is fed
>to the Input, or enhance the delay level when the signal is at a lower
>level. When using this function you get a delay effect which seems to be
>present only where and when it does not disturb or interfere with the source
>material e.g. in the pauses between phases from a vocalist, a guitar player
>or similar.
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Hey Deej,
If you know it worked then it did. My other mecs are another story.
I don't think you're mec had it out for them. . . well maybe huh?
The new kid in town?=20
I might be going to Namm in Anaheim 1/16-21/08. Could be a helluva
good time after the holiday season. I'll get you lunch and whatever =
else
happens that night if you can make it.
GOOD NEWS! I can finally hear audio again!!!
All 5 EDS cards are working perfectly in the Magma. I am Acronising the =
whole
shootin' match before throwing the UAD back in. No IRQ sharing except =
with
USB that is never in use except for backups after the session. I can =
deal
with that.
Huge gigging weekend ahead of me but I have a s eatin' grin on my face =
all the sudden.
This should last until Sunday night when it's over.
Woohoo!
Tom
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =
news:46f4834a@linux...
If it's a doorstop, you don't owe me anything at all. No kiddin'. I =
trust you. Just lunch it if it's dead.
Deej
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:46f4797a@linux...
I still owe you for the thing!!!
I can't say it was the Mec but it was at that time that the *)#& =
began to fly.
I was the navigator so blame me.
t
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =
news:46f47556@linux...
WOW!!!........man........I'm sorry you're having to go through =
this kind of grief Tom. I hope it wasn't the MEC I sent you. Was that =
the one with the black gaffers tape holding the bottom plate? If so, =
it's not my fault. I got it from Rick. ;oD
Seriously, I am bummed out for you. there's norhting worse than =
having to deal with this kinda' stuff, IMO. You have my permission to =
use the MEC for target practice if that will help.
;o(
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
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Interested people,
I know 3 fried mecs is unlikely. It's not confirmed until =
Tuesday=20
when I'll check the two that might 'still work'. The hardware =
solution
is seeming to be the most logical at this point. Here's why:
I was working perfectly with 2 mecs loaded to the gills and a =
442.
I wanted one more mec and bought one from Deej. Mistakenly,
I installed it without hiding my default project. Paris freaked
and I went through days of turmoil looking to get back to where
I was. Paris refused to boot with mecs and no 442 at that time.
Next I built another comp to test eds and cables and the 442. =20
Everything went fine. No probs. This seem
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ed promising.
Next I tried again in the studio with both computers and never =
got a=20
good Paris boot. Every time it wouldn't boot there was a Mec =
attached.
Even the 442 boots were flakey (no patchbay connections). I =
didn't learn=20
anything from this effort.
2 days ago I went to a techs place with the Paris comp, Deej's =
mec
and the 442. We used the mec throughout all testing until the =
end.
Fresh C drive, fresh Paris install.
As soon as the 442 was introduced Paris booted. Likely the Deej
mec is faulty but not necessarily.
Today I went back to my original C drive (no default proj) and =
Paris
would not boot with my other Mec that is loaded to the gills. I =
deleted
the Scherzo drivers, reloaded the new ones I just got, =
uninstalled the
subsystem and reloaded it. Once I changed to the 442 the system =
was fine.
Let me rephrase "Paris would not boot" . . . Actually it would =
usually start
up but no audio was available in the patchbay except with the =
442.
My take is that the introduction of DJ's mec (whether it worked =
or didn't,
let's assume that it worked) was screwy probably by my own =
doing. I
removed it and later shorted a SCSI 2 cable at the Master Mec =
sometime during that
next week. There was smoke in the power supply area so I never =
tried that
Mec again. My other mec was attached at that time. I now think =
it fried something
in their too.
I am trying DJs and my hopefully unfried mec at another studio =
on Tuesday to confirm
that neither works. If I'm wrong then we're back to software.
It ain't over till it's over.
Tom
=20
"Neil" <IOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46f46d03$1@linux...
In all seriousness - THREE bad MEC's??? What's the real
likelihood of that? Unless all 3 PSU's got hit hard with a
voltage spike or something weird like that, is it really
possible that ALL of his MECs went bad?
Neil
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
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>Tom,
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when I pulled
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>I've noticed a few posts recently regarding errors. Maybe no =
more than =3D
>usual, but it seemed like an unusually high number to me over =
the last =3D
>few weeks. Errors I'm not familiar with. It will have been 10 =
years in =3D
>November since Paris shipped. I wonder if the lifespan of =
this hardware
=3D
>is starting to fade. TG for TheSoniq, I guess.
>
>Deej
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =3D
>news:46f44c75$1@linux...
> 3 bad mecs.
>
> Hmmm?
>
> I'll know for a fact next Tuesday when there's
> time to test a couple on another system.
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>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C7FCAA.4FC92290--We shall see. However, Fredo moderator on the Nuendo.com forum stated that
there was not much difference btw C4 and N4. Please correct me if I'm wrong.And,
that features like better patchbay, routing, multi core processors handling
will not show up in the first versionof N4..
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Watch Nuendo 4 as well. Things should start to get interesting now, esp.
in
>post, given the feature
>list and reports I'm hearing. N4 should be debuting at AES. Wish I could
>have gone this year...
>
>Dedric
>
>
>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>news:46f46580$1@linux...
>> Hey LaMont,
>>
>> Yanaha has been concentrating the bulk of thier R&D on developing the
line
>> of Digital live sound mixers downward from the PM1D to the smaller models.
>> This is the stream that has produced the M7CL and the LS9, and there are
>> smaller versions yet planned. I am quite sure there are great things
>> planned for real studio applications that are already in the works...
;-)
>> Keep your eye on this web site as well for updates on the Studio Manager
>> side of things:
>>
>> http://www.studioconnections.org/
>>
>> This is where some of the joint venture stuff will show up. If I was
>> looking at a large format digital studio console right now, I would hold
>> off for a year... but our DM2K is almost 2 years old (and working
>> fabulously) ;-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>>
>>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>> Let's look at the future:
>>>
>>> So far, that synergy btw Yamaha and Steinberg seems to heading twards
the
>>> small bedroom composer. With products like Yammys new N12 integrated
>>> mixer
>>> line..
>>>
>>> Not exactly what most of us expected. RME: How and what do you thing
>>> Yamaha feels about another vendor supply the
>>> bulk share of Cubase/Nuendo's I/O needs? Will they (Yammy)purchase RME
??
>>>
>>>
>>> OR Will they (Yammy)go proprietary with their own I?O solutions?? I don't
>>> know. Will Yammy stand pat and let Euphonix dominate the High-End client
>>> DAW market,
>>> or will they compete and produce a product the goes head to head with
>>> MC-5
>>> ??
>>>
>>> It's been almost 4 years since the purchase of Steingberg, and very
>>> little
>>> has been produced from this marriage.
>>>
>>> Do you or anyone thinks that Apple & Digidesign will rest on their pst
>>> successes?
>>> I think not.. The marriage of Apple and Apogee is very intriguing. WHo
>>> knows
>>> what they have cooking.
>>>
>>> AND, another big (Leak) opps rumor from Digi is, they will produce a
mid
>>> range-Priced DAW controller for PT as well as other cool Virtual
>>> instruments
>>> from their A.I.R (Wizoo). EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>AND, Steinberg now has the deepest pockets in the industry... Yamaha.
>>>>Look for cool things in the future!
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Neil wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" jjdpro&funk.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Both Companies are armed and readdy for the DAW showdown. Apple is
one
>>>
>>> corner,
>>>
>>>>>>Digi in the other.
>>>>>>Eveybody else including Steingberg are just a non-factor at this point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you say Swineberg is a non-factor? Some of the features
>>>>>that these other guys have been implementing have been standard
>>>>>in Cube-endo for YEARS now! Their stuff just plain works &
>>>>>works well, (well, once they work the bugs out of their "paid
>>>>>beta" releases, like SX2 & now C4, apparently), and has been
>>>>>priced appropriately all along.
>>>>>
>>>>>ROFL - other guys just now start playing catch-up and all of a
>>>>>sudden the more-features-for-the-buck leader becomes
>>>>>irrelevant? Izzat what you're saying? The Dodge Viper didn't put
>>>>>Ferrari out of business, Lamont.
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>Hey Dave.. The DM2000is wonderful. However, it's not what the majority of
Cubase and Neundo users want. Not even the 02R-96.
Steingberg users are getting pretty restless and getting prety bored with
the Yamaha marriage.
To me Yammy's N seriers mixers are just okay. They are going afetr the bedrrom
market. This seems tobe the trend in the industry.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Hey LaMont,
>
>Yanaha has been concentrating the bulk of thier R&D on
>developing the line of Digital live sound mixers downward
>from the PM1D to the smaller models. This is the stream
>that has produced the M7CL and the LS9, and there are
>smaller versions yet planned. I am quite sure there are
>great things planned for real studio applications that are
>already in the works... ;-) Keep your eye on this web site
>as well for updates on the Studio Manager side of things:
>
>http://www.studioconnections.org/
>
>This is where some of the joint venture stuff will show up.
>If I was looking at a large format digital studio console
>right now, I would hold off for a year... but our DM2K is
>almost 2 years old (and working fabulously) ;-)
>
>David.
>
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Let's look at the future:
>>
>> So far, that synergy btw Yamaha and Steinberg seems to heading twards
the
>> small bedroom composer. With products like Yammys new N12 integrated mixer
>> line..
>>
>> Not exactly what most of us expected.
>>
>> RME: How and what do you thing Yamaha feels about another vendor supply
the
>> bulk share of Cubase/Nuendo's I/O needs? Will they (Yammy)purchase RME
??
>>
>>
>> OR Will they (Yammy)go proprietary with their own I?O solutions?? I don't
>> know.
>>
>> Will Yammy stand pat and let Euphonix dominate the High-End client DAW
market,
>> or will they compete and produce a product the goes head to head with
MC-5
>> ??
>>
>> It's been almost 4 years since the purchase of Steingberg, and very little
>> has been produced from this marriage.
>>
>> Do you or anyone thinks that Apple & Digidesign will rest on their pst
successes?
>> I think not.. The marriage of Apple and Apogee is very intriguing. WHo
knows
>> what they have cooking.
>>
>> AND, another big (Leak) opps rumor from Digi is, they will produce a mid
>> range-Priced DAW controller for PT as well as other cool Virtual instruments
>> from their A.I.R (Wizoo).
>>
>> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>AND, Steinberg now has the deepest pockets in the industry... Yamaha.
>>> Look for cool things in the future!
>>>
>>&g
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Mon, 16 July 2007 14:09 |
Chris Ludwig
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t;David.
>>>
>>>Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"LaMont" jjdpro&funk.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Both Companies are armed and readdy for the DAW showdown. Apple is one
>>
>> corner,
>>
>>>>>Digi in the other.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eveybody else including Steingberg are just a non-factor at this point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How can you say Swineberg is a non-factor? Some of the features
>>>>that these other guys have been implementing have been standard
>>>>in Cube-endo for YEARS now! Their stuff just plain works &
>>>>works well, (well, once they work the bugs out of their "paid
>>>>beta" releases, like SX2 & now C4, apparently), and has been
>>>>priced appropriately all along.
>>>>
>>>>ROFL - other guys just now start playing catch-up and all of a
>>>>sudden the more-features-for-the-buck leader becomes
>>>>irrelevant? Izzat what you're saying? The Dodge Viper didn't put
>>>>Ferrari out of business, Lamont.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>
>>Okay, I read the Studio connections stuff. This reminds me of Yamahas attempt
@ MLAN.
Very few companies jumped on board. Then, I read that Yammmy is offering
it's SDK on Studio Connections. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
I think they should forget about trying to get "everyone" on board WHY??
because Apple, Digi,Motu, Cakealk/Roland, will not adhere to another companies
atempt to bring forth a new standard.
What's wrong with Yamaha? Don't they have the where-with all to bring this
product to fruition? Like Digi, Neundo customers want their very own version
of D-Control and MC-5 not a science community project..
Not impressed at all.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Hey LaMont,
>
>Yanaha has been concentrating the bulk of thier R&D on
>developing the line of Digital live sound mixers downward
>from the PM1D to the smaller models. This is the stream
>that has produced the M7CL and the LS9, and there are
>smaller versions yet planned. I am quite sure there are
>great things planned for real studio applications that are
>already in the works... ;-) Keep your eye on this web site
>as well for updates on the Studio Manager side of things:
>
>http://www.studioconnections.org/
>
>This is where some of the joint venture stuff will show up.
>If I was looking at a large format digital studio console
>right now, I would hold off for a year... but our DM2K is
>almost 2 years old (and working fabulously
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Mon, 16 July 2007 15:05 |
John Macy
Messages: 242
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>
>Let's all just take a step back, mix ourselves a hot toddy, throw another
>Mac on the fire and have a group hug.
>
>;o)
>it's more of a rub (peanut butter consistency) but damn it's good.
i'm hoping to bring it to market next year.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:53:33 -0600, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _
net> wrote:
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:m258f39b3eg98qe2qh8lil8i5m57a77j4f@4ax.com...
>>i came up with a great mocha marinade for bbq or grilled pork, beef
>> cooked over cherry and pecan wood fire...and not a computer in
>> sight...yup a good day indeed.
>>
>
>Dude!!!...that's soooooo analog!
>
>;o)
>ahhh the good old days.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:31:09 -0600, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _
net> wrote:
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46f4171b$1@linux...
>>
>> The Onion article is great! :^)
>>
>> But the "MacHead" mentality more commonly seen on the discussion groups
>> (like Macrumors) would more likely express disappointment that the
>> "product-unveiling product" doesn't have the ability to unveil TWO
>> PRODUCTS AT ONCE, if not FOUR! "Where is the dual or quad unveiling
>> ability, that's lame" would be a typical complaint of a hard core Mac
>> rumor follower (if that was a real product).
>>
>> It's a demanding bunch, desiring ever more, wanting Apple to be ahead of
>> the curve in every possible way all the time. A tough crowd.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
>Don't worry Jamie, pretty soon the new Barcelonas will be running at 3.0G
>per core and wiping the floor with Intel CPU's.
>Macs and PC's will have them both and then we can start arguing aout Intel
>vs AMD again.
>
>;o)
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Dude, if you have 3 toasted MEC's I think it VERY likely you had a bad =
cable that put the hurt on them all as you swapped around parts.=20
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:46f472e2@linux...
Intersted people,
I know 3 fried mecs is unlikely. It's not confirmed until Tuesday=20
when I'll check the two that might 'still work'. The hardware =
solution
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Mon, 16 July 2007 19:13 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
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;nospam.com" target="_blank">askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>AND, Steinberg now has the deepest pockets in the industry... Yamaha.
>>> Look for cool things in the future!
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"LaMont" jjdpro&funk.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Both Companies are armed and readdy for the DAW showdown. Apple is one
>>
>> corner,
>>
>>>>>Digi in the other.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eveybody else including Steingberg are just a non-factor at this point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How can you say Swineberg is a non-factor? Some of the features
>>>>that these other guys have been implementing have been standard
>>>>in Cube-endo for YEARS now! Their stuff just plain works &
>>>>works well, (well, once they work the bugs out of their "paid
>>>>beta" releases, like SX2 & now C4, apparently), and has been
>>>>priced appropriately all along.
>>>>
>>>>ROFL - other guys just now start playing catch-up and all of a
>>>>sudden the more-features-for-the-buck leader becomes
>>>>irrelevant? Izzat what you're saying? The Dodge Viper didn't put
>>>>Ferrari out of business, Lamont.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>
>>And Session 8 wasn't a DAW?
--
Martin Harrington
Lend An Ear Sound
Sydney, Australia
0414913247
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46f74786@linux...
>
> Sound Tools/ ProTools was out on a Mac long before Session8 showed up. In
> the early 90s there was a Yamaha hardware system that was controlled by a
> computer. It worked on a Mac, and maybe a PC??? I can't remember. I
> was mainly talking about DAW software, but whatever.
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Ooh, showing your age and ignorance here James.
>>Session8 (by Digidesign) was around then, (on PC only to begin with) and
> it
>>was more powerfull than the equivelent PT product on Mac.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>Lend An Ear Sound
>>Sydney Australia
>>02 9413 8666
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:46f6af5f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Politics? You guys are now going to take this to politics? Why don't
> you
>>> guys talk about religion next?
>>>
>>> The iHumor is lame. If you want to talk about something that is a real
>
>>> joke,
>>> why don't you guys talk about Windows Vista? It's a sad rip off of Mac
>
>>> OSX!
>>> Once MS copies enough features from Mac OSX and gets Vista working
>>> right,
>>> we'll all hear how much better Vista is than Mac OSX. When that
>>> happens,
>>> Mac OSX will be at least three years ahead of Vista. Apple leeds,
>>> Microsoft
>>> follows.
>>>
>>> Steve Jobs Said it years ago, and it's the truth.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfALGcDNEDw
>>>
>>> I just had to bring Steve in to this, because I know you just love him
> DJ.
>>>
>>> Back in the late 80s early 90s before there was any audio MIDI soft ware
>>> available on a PC, there was the big five, all available on
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Mon, 16 July 2007 21:46 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry
>but
>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months
of
>>>savings to me...
>>>
>>>Anyone?
>Dude, thanks for that tip. :-)
DJ wrote:
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:46f72872@linux...
>> Some of my favorite plugs are free: SIR, Classic Chorus, ALL my Delay
>> plugs, Crystal. It's a good time to be alive.
>>
>> I like to buy things for my wife.
>>
>>
>
> I buy all my gear for my wife.
>
> ;o)
>
>Paul,
Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and I
am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure how
to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but I
thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
these as direct outs.
Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think "Sleeve".
The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to Channel's
1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into channel
1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel preamp
signals
>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug a 1/4 cable
>halfway in the insert jack to the input of paris. And ditto on checking
>the input level setting in the patch bay.
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Erlilo,
>>
>> That is one of the major problems with this mixer, there are no direct
>>outs. I have smaller mixers with direct outs and I am use to that...
I
>>just can get decent levels from the 4 subgroups on this mixer... That
is
>>the only way to get individual channels from this mixer.
>>
>> I didn't check the level button on the 8in cards that I have and I'll
>check
>>those now that I remember that they are on there.
>>
>>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>>Have you looked what the patchbay inside Paris is showing up? You can
>>>change the inputs and outputs there between -10db or +4db.
>>>
>>>I've used Eurorack MX3242 to feed Paris for years. Wonderful mixer
>>>with 16 direct output channels to go right into Paris.
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>On 25 Sep 2007 00:53:44 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use
to
>>track/record
>>>>straight from the instruments/mics to preamps and directly into my 8in
>>cards.
>>>> For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer
>SL3242
>>>>(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels
>>on
>>>>the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct
outs
>>>>(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub
>>1
>>>>thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
>>>>the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so low.
>>>> I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf
>>file
>>>>after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
>>>>the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be inappropriate
>>>>to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
>>>>levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for
this
>>>>reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
>>>>outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use
>>it...
>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use a
>preamp
>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt
>my
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Tue, 17 July 2007 04:32 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
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ef="mailto:qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com..." target="_blank">qt1gf3hds2bb7i0l5gia1rbeim7il4pu73@4ax.com...
> you need must plain trs plug and insert the 1/4" jack to it's first
> ring position (you will feel it stop. if you push further the jack
> will then go into the second ring and stop.
>
> with your y cables one is wired to the tip ring and the other is wired
> to the second band. just plug the two ring single end into paris and
> the tip wired end into the mixer.
>
> On 25 Sep 2007 04:48:19 +1000, "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ok... I think I am following this... and I just pulled up the mixer manual
>>about each channel insert. But it is still confusing me. I need a
>>diagrams,
>>not words... lol. The manual states:
>>
>>"All mono input channels are equipped with insert points. They can also
>>be used as a pre-EQ direct outputs, without signal flow interruption. For
>>this you need a cable with a 1/4" TS connector on the recorder/effects
>>processor
>>end, and a bridged stereo 1/4" TRS connector on the console end (tip and
>>ring interconnected)."
>>
>>I think I understand that with my Hosa insert cables, I plu the single
>>black
>>side into the Paris, but I am confused what to do with the 'Y' end... it
>>states to interconnect them. How do I do that? There is only one 1/4
>>input
>>and the 'Y' cable has 2 plugs. Can someone help?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Your mixer should also have aux sends and returns. Those are more for
>>>external
>>>FX.
>>>The inserts are often used for sending to a cpompressor or the like.
>>>just
>>>use the send side of the patch cable out to paris Actaully if I recall
>>>correctly
>>>on my old mackie you could use a regular 1/4" cable but don't click it
>>>all
>>>the way into the insert jack. I could be dreaming that too though.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Me no understand... again, I am totally spoiled with direct outs and
>>>I
>>>>am not sure what you mean. I have some insert 'Y' cables, but not sure
>>>how
>>>>to use them in this way. I plug in the "send" side to the insert at the
>>>>mixer channel, or into a channel on Paris? You confused me...
>>>>
>>>> I see that each of the 24 channels on my mixer has a i/o insert, but
>>I
>>>>thought they were for using external effects. I didn't know I could use
>>>>these as direct outs.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the insert cable, the 'Y' side has "tip" and I think
>>>> "Sleeve".
>>>> The other end is just black. Do I plug the 'Y' tip and sleeve to
>>>> Channel's
>>>>1 and 2 of the insert on the mixer, and then the single black end into
>>channel
>>>>1 on my 8in card? Is that how I do that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"pauln" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>If your mixer has channel inserts, you can get individual channel
>>>>>preamp
>>>>signals
>>>>>from there. Just use the send side of an insert cable or plug
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| Re: New mixing monitors [message #88243 is a reply to message #88239] |
Tue, 17 July 2007 06:25 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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;>it...
>>>>>>>> Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use
>>>a
>>>>>preamp
>>>>>>>>between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to
>>>>>>>>hurt
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of
>>>>those
>>>>>>>>all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer.
>>>>>>>>Sorry
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many
>>>>>>>>months
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>savings to me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>You sure there are no direct outs.
The inserts on each channel should work as direct sends iirc, by just using
one side of the stereo plug... it's unbalanced but that's OK.
--
Martin Harrington
Lend An Ear Sound
Sydney, Australia
0414913247
From: "Ed" <askme@email.com>
Subject: Paris and Behringer Mixer
Date: Tuesday, 25 September 2007 12:53 AM
Hey folks... does this sound ridiculous, or does it sound ok? I use to
track/record
straight from the instruments/micas to preamps and directly into my 8in
cards.
For the purpose of performing live, I recently purchased a behringer SL3242
(24 channel mixer) and I have the main outs going back into 2 channels on
the mixer. If you are familiar with this mixer, there are no direct outs
(like I am use to for multi-track recording) and I have to use the Sub 1
thru 4. I am so disappointed with the levels I could cry. Levels within
the mixer are good, but what is going out the subs into Paris is so low.
I have the sub levels almost max'd, but still I have to open each .paf file
after recording and increase about 10db. Playback is ok... except again
the levels I am sending to Paris. My question is... would it be
inappropriate
to put a 4 channel preamp between this mixer and Paris... I need better
levels bad and I am getting desperate. I love this mixer except for this
reason. I would have never purchased it if I knew it didn't have direct
outs. I don't like the subgroup crap, but I have no choice but to use it...
Has anyone else run into this kind of problem? Of course if I use a preamp
between the mixer and Paris (on the 4 subgroups) I don't want to hurt my
levels coming back into the mixer while I am recording. I am one of those
all around performer... I do all the instruments... and my abilities are
limited to only recording one at a time... lol.
Any comments or suggestions... besides throwing away the mixer. Sorry but
$600 is like Ft Knox to me... I am a peasant and that is many months of
savings to me...
Anyone?Was just there seconds ago looking at this because I need to import some
Cubase SX3 and Nuendo audio into PARIS. See new thread on this for anyone
wanting to share knowledge.
WMW
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C31D29A0.CFA6%dterry@keyofd.net...
>I don't know how many users other than Lamont and I are using Nuendo, but
>N4
> was just released - shipping in early October:
>
> Highlights:
>
> * New automation system (complete automation panel): new modes include the
> ability to only write from an point, leaving previous sections absent of
> automation (Virgin Territory option); fill modes, preview mode, and much
> more. Looks like automation is about 15x more powerful than it was
> before.
>
> * New key commands for Cut head/tail, selections (great for post)
>
> * Free routing: any group or fx to any other, plus post fader routing
>
> * Media Bay (I hear it's enhanced from Cubase 4 and works quite well for
> an
> FX database - also great for post)
>
> * VST3 - all included plugins are VST3 (biggest post advantage is
> automatic
> adapting to multichannel configs - Flux plugins already do, but now VST3
> plugins and Nuendo's stock plugins will also).
>
> * New logical editor looks much more powerful
>
> ...etc...
>
> I'll let you guys read the rest from Steinberg if interested.
>
> For post this is a great release - the new automation and key commands
> alone
> are worth the $249 upgrade - free r
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