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his together. I'm adding this =
to<BR>my=20
"paris keepers" file. <BR>MR<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>Ok,<BR>>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading =
if you=20
don't follow all of them<BR>>in the right order I decided to =
summarize what=20
I know regarding senderella<BR>>and its use with Paris=20
.<BR>><BR>>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the=20
string EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
<BR>You<BR>>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio =
streaming. The=20
8,16 seems<BR>>like the magical number, remember I tried them=20
all....<BR>>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime =
NO=20
LATENCY as a buss<BR>>inside Paris.<BR>>Senderella seems like =
the=20
greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins for Paris,<BR>>link: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html">http://www.kvraudio.com/ge=
t/1433.html</A><BR>>Senderella=20
newest version has a redirect option so you can send the =
signal<BR>>and not=20
hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.<BR>>It has 64 bussses ! =
nad now=20
saves its condition and prest (the version<BR>>before could not) =
after=20
saving your song.<BR>><BR>>2. Senderella works across submixes ! =
but the=20
latency in beetween submixes<BR>>has to be taken into=20
consideration.<BR>><BR>>3. So possible uses are<BR>>a} Use =
your=20
favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb as =
abuss<BR>>with=20
senderella.<BR>>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb =
return=20
using 16bit (24bit<BR>>works too) silence paf file.<BR>>Here you =
can=20
create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in =
handy<BR>>anytime you=20
want it.<BR>>b) Use your favourite compressor=20
VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for =
buss<BR>>compression.<BR>><BR>>4.=20
On both uses the method is around the same.<BR>><BR>>5. =
Senderella=20
although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does not =
let<BR>the<BR>>audio=20
pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET signal can=20
be<BR>>send.<BR>>this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks =
to a=20
cmpressor and not need<BR>>to have also the dry tracks =
playing.<BR>>In=20
that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.<BR>>But for full =
use and=20
potential senderella needs to be wrapped<BR>><BR>>6. Wrappers =
that can=20
be used are the FREE Spinaudio=20
=
lite<BR>> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;amp;=
download_id=3D33 =20
which<BR>>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.<BR>>So here you can wrap =
one=20
instance of senderella and use it as send =
for<BR>>reverbs.<BR>>If you=20
buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped as=20
you<BR>>want.<BR>><BR>>7.. Senderella by renaming its dll =
like=20
send1,send2,send3 etc can be used<BR>as<BR>>many times as you want =
it is=20
that simple.<BR>><BR>>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) on =
the=20
receini
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| Yup!!! it's dialed in all right. [message #57984 is a reply to message #57982] |
Wed, 07 September 2005 22:40 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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nt.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip<BR>&=
gt;NOTE:=20
FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer wrapps/chains=20
only<BR>>VST<BR>>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use FFX-4 so =
have=20
chainer to wrap DX and<BR>>VST....<BR>><BR>>13. FFX-4 also =
has a low=20
4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you think<BR>>that is big =
note that=20
FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using gives 16384<BR>>samples =
of=20
latency !!<BR>><BR>>14. So you wrap senderella with=20
Spinaudiolite.<BR>><BR>>15. You put senderella on the audio =
tracks you=20
wanna send to a reverb, put<BR>>the send volume accordingly and =
redirect=20
(full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound =
of the=20
track)<BR>><BR>>16. On audio tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit =
empty=20
long files (5 minutes<BR>>or more,whatever)<BR>>17. On track 15 =
you open=20
as STEREO the senderella again (spinaudiolite<BR>>wrapped) and put=20
senderella as receiver .<BR>>Then on next native slot you open =
FFX-4 on=20
track 15 as STEREO again.<BR>><BR>>18. You open from inside =
FFX-4 a UAD1=20
reverb or any other DX reverb (like<BR>>DSPFX)<BR>>If you put =
UAD1=20
rvereb you get 4096 latency.<BR>>If you put a DX reverb you =
probably will=20
get 0 latency !!, so no<BR>>compensation needed at all.<BR>>It =
ius like=20
having AUX with DX effect for Paris !<BR>><BR>>19. Now if you =
insist of=20
using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to compensate you<BR>>do the=20
following:<BR>><BR>>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the =
reverb=20
return on tracks 15 and<BR>>16-well even if you put it there too =
nothing=20
will happen anyway- )100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo =
sample delay=20
(Try this instead of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because you have =
the 64=20
plugin limit and with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside =
latency=20
plugin 384 samples to the right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will =
be=20
alligned to reverb return on tracks.<BR>><BR>>That is for=20
now.<BR>>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong=20
=
homework...<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR >><BR>><BR>><BR>&=
gt;<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_03ED_01C5CD9F.F4FDB910--No,Joe Monterello is with Capital Bauer Ins I think in Albany,NY.
Music Pro I think does the musicians union insurance now so they
are pretty large I imagine.I saw some posts on Gearslutz that
some people were getting bad service from them recently.
When I called Heritage the VP answered the phone.I'm going to
email him a list.Now no deductible might mean higher rates,but I
haven't asked about rates with some deductable yet.
I've heard some people saying they like Clarion.
I'll let you know what I find.
Pete
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>Hmm, Is that the guy Joen Monterello that affilates with Mix Mag?
>He told me there is a deductable. I thought it was 1000.00 that would mean
>I would need a large loss for it to help. Btter thhan nothing but at 900.00
>per year or so.
>
>Please let me know more about what you find.
>I am in need as well. Where is Music pro from and what did you here?
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Looking for some insurance and they seem to look pretty good.
>>Was going to check out MusicPro,but I've been hearing some not
>>great reviews as of late.Might check Clarion too.
>> Heritage looks like no deductibles which is nice.
>>
>>TIA,
>>Pete
>They are related.
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>I think this would have more to do with slew rate than
>frequency response..
>
>David.
>
>DC wrote:
>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And about those amp designers, what analog recording format (or more importantly,
>>>what consumer playback medium) in the past had response out to 250k?
>&
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| Re: Yup!!! it's dialed in all right. [message #57987 is a reply to message #57984] |
Wed, 07 September 2005 23:00 |
audioguy_nospam_
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8,16
Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way that if you don't rfedirct the sound =
the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer does not do that...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:434aa820@linux...
Dimitrios,
You a powerhouse of information! Your work with
Paris and associated plugins is great for us all.
A couple of questions:
#1) What do you mean by two times the sound?
Step 15: and redirect (full to the right) because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation with everything nudged?
If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them the automation will
be off. If I nudge install effects and then mute toms would ths solve =
the problem?
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 =
and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- =
)100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX =
DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO =
LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.
>
If I could only wrap my head around all of this I'd be all set. The =
first time you posted
about Senderella and Chainer I used it for a while then my C drive =
became useless. I'm
still not sure why. I'm afraid to try it again now but that's just =
me. I think if I can
understand it clearly I'll be able to implement it more easily. =20
You are helping me with this explanation and it's appreciated greatly.
Thanks for your effort once again,
Tom
=20
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:434a807e$1@linux...
Dimitrios, thanks for the effort to put this together. I'm adding =
this to
my "paris keepers" file. =20
MR
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>Ok,
>Due to the many posts that maybe misleading if you don't follow all =
of them
>in the right order I decided to summarize what I know regarding =
senderella
>and its use with Paris .
>
>1. Use inside Paris.cfg at the top the string =
EDSTransfer=3D8,16 =20
You
>could use 8,8 but this has problems with audio streaming. The 8,16 =
seems
>like the magical number, remember I tried them all....
>This is needed because then Senderella works realtime NO LATENCY as =
a buss
>inside Paris.
>Senderella seems like the greatest discovery amoung FREE plugins =
for Paris,
>link: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1433.html
>Senderella newest version has a redirect option so you can send the =
signal
>and not hear (or hear) the dry signal if you want.
>It has 64 bussses ! nad now saves its condition and prest (the =
version
>before could not) after saving your song.
>
>2. Senderella works across submixes ! but the latency in beetween =
submixes
>has to be taken into consideration.
>
>3. So possible uses are
>a} Use your favorite DX/VST/UAD1/POWERCORE /EXTERNAL DEVICE reverb =
as abuss
>with senderella.
>You occupy two Paris audio tracks for your reverb return using =
16bit (24bit
>works too) silence paf file.
>Here you can create a long 5 minute file or bigger and have it in =
handy
>anytime you want it.
>b) Use your favourite compressor VST/DX/UAD!/POWERCORE/EXTERNAL for =
buss
>compression.
>
>4. On both uses the method is around the same.
>
>5. Senderella although showing up as it is in Paris as vst does not =
let
the
>audio pass the plugin, It stops in senderella so only WET signal =
can be
>send.
>this is useful only for bussing say dsrumtracks to a cmpressor and =
not need
>to have also the dry tracks playing.
>In that situation no wrapper needs for senderella.
>But for full use and potential senderella needs to be wrapped
>
>6. Wrappers that can be used are the FREE Spinaudio lite
=
> http://www.spinaudio.com/downloads.php?download_type=3D3& ;download_id=3D3=
3 which
>can wrap ONLY one VST plugin.
>So here you can wrap one instance of senderella and use it as send =
for
>reverbs.
>If you buy Spinaudio ofcourse you can have as many plugins wrapped =
as you
>want.
>
>7.. Senderella by renaming its dll like send1,send2,send3 etc can =
be used
as
>many times as you want it is that simple.
>
>8. you need to have 16bit files (empty) on the receining senderella
>instances.
>
>9. If you have multiple cards then use (if you want it across =
submixes)
>tracks 15 and 16 of your last card, so that all sending instances =
are bfore
>these two.
>
>10. On Me works but I haven't got very stable resluts which may be =
my
>computer though so you could give some more tests but on XP works =
just fine
>here.
>
>11. So to come to its actual use
>First you wrap as we said senderella, I prefer chainer because =
chainer is
>extremely stable and has some good functinality like dry and wet =
volumes
>many slots midi automation preset handling etc.
>Note that here we need a VST chainer/wrapper because senderella is =
only
VST.
>For UAD1 you can use the same wrapper chainer and wrap the vst =
versions
of
>VST.
>HINT: If you buy chainer get the free Spinaudiolite and use its one =
instance
>to wrap only chainer.
>So UAD1 plugins inside chainer will retain knob functionality and =
lower
the
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| Re: Yup!!! it's dialed in all right. [message #57988 is a reply to message #57987] |
Wed, 07 September 2005 23:45 |
Deej [1]
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>latency down to 4096 samples for a normal UAD1 plugin.
>
>12. If you wanna use all things without buying anything you can =
doing this:
>Get Spinaudiolite FREE and wrap senderella.
>Get FFX4 DX chainer free
>http://vincent.burel.free.fr/download/ffx4_FullDemo3.zip
>NOTE: FFX-4 wraps/chains ONLY DX plugins whereas Chainer =
wrapps/chains only
>VST
>HINT: From inside Chainer you can use FFX-4 so have chainer to wrap =
DX and
>VST....
>
>13. FFX-4 also has a low 4096 samples latency for UAD plugz. If you =
think
>that is big note that FXpansion wrapper that you guys were using =
gives 16384
>samples of latency !!
>
>14. So you wrap senderella with Spinaudiolite.
>
>15. You put senderella on the audio tracks you wanna send to a =
reverb, put
>the send volume accordingly and redirect (full to the right) =
because
>Spinaudio mixes two times the sound of the track)
>
>16. On audio tracks 15 and 16 you put two 16bit empty long files (5 =
minutes
>or more,whatever)
>17. On track 15 you open as STEREO the senderella again =
(spinaudiolite
>wrapped) and put senderella as receiver .
>Then on next native slot you open FFX-4 on track 15 as STEREO =
again.
>
>18. You open from inside FFX-4 a UAD1 reverb or any other DX reverb =
(like
>DSPFX)
>If you put UAD1 rvereb you get 4096 latency.
>If you put a DX reverb you probably will get 0 latency !!, so no
>compensation needed at all.
>It ius like having AUX with DX effect for Paris !
>
>19. Now if you insist of using a UAD1 plugin reverb, the to =
compensate you
>do the following:
>
>You nudge ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks =
15 and
>16-well even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway- =
)100ms
to
>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this instead of AnalogX =
DX
>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit and with VST plugins NO =
LIMIT
>Then put inside latency plugin 384 samples to the right.
>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb return on =
tracks.
>
>That is for now.
>Please ask questions so I can see where I did my wrong homework...
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You may have had problems because of=20
console...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This damn nice chainer is a nogo (at =
least for now)=20
with Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It crashes Paris a lot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't use any automation in Paris=20
yet...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know I am new here...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe you used EDSTransfer=3D8,8 which =
is also a no=20
go for Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Too many streaming errors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>use 8,16</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Spinaudio wraps senderella in a way =
that if you=20
don't rfedirct the sound the sound almost doubles its volumeChainer does =
not do=20
that...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A href=3D"news:434aa820@linux">news:434aa820@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You a powerhouse of =
information! Your work=20
with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Paris and associated plugins is great =
for us=20
all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A couple of questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>#1) What do you mean =
by two times=20
the sound</FONT>?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Step 15: <FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D3>and=20
redirect (full to the right) because<BR>>Spinaudio mixes two times =
the=20
sound of the track)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>#2) Do you have problems with Paris automation =
with=20
everything nudged?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I have muted my tom tracks and nudge them =
the=20
automation will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>be off. If I nudge install effects and =
then mute=20
toms would ths solve the problem?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>>You nudge=20
ALL YOUR TRACKS (except for the reverb return on tracks 15 =
and<BR>>16-well=20
even if you put it there too nothing will happen anyway-=20
)100ms<BR>to<BR>>the left and put voxengo sample delay (Try this =
instead=20
of AnalogX DX<BR>>plugin because you have the 64 plugin limit =
and=20
with VST plugins NO LIMIT<BR>>Then put inside latency plugin 384 =
samples to=20
the right.<BR>>Thus all processed tracks will be alligned to reverb =
return=20
on tracks.<BR>></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D&q
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