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big discrepancy, but the ADI
8-DS
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>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so
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>>>>>>>>>>maybe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it
>>>>>>>>>>confirmed
>>>>>>>>>>somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>http://www.focusrite.com/liquidmixchallenge/
Don't know if anyone has tried this yet, but it's interesting. There's
also a downloadable phase reverse file for further consideration.
I really like the Liquid Mix. To me, it sounds great as a plugin at any price
point, but considering the price, I think it's fantastic...
FWIW
TedHi Neil,
Other wise know as Direct Monitoring in Cubase.
ZLM is the term Magix uses for the same direct monitoring function.
This should only be a few samples at best.
The 1ms round trip through the AD?DA sounds about right for a converter
that old.
The lower latency of the on board Multiface AD/DA sounds correct wi
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Sun, 11 November 2007 12:42 |
Dedric Terry
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;>>>>>> than the one that you can use to measure/compensate for external
>>>>>>> EFX... is that the one you're talking about? If so, I'm reading
>>>>>>> 0.01ms AD/DA on my main Multiface, and that's looped through
>>>>>>> the Portico Tape Sim... so it must be less than that without
>>>>>>> that extra circuitry in the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there's another way to do it, you're gonna have to walk me
>>>>>>> through it, i'm afraid. :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> OK, I've never done that, but I can give it a shot & let you
>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm using the latency measurement tool in cubase.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:477bb0e7$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> I can try... how are you measuring the latency, though?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Neil,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you ping a signal through an external processor on one of
>
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> Multifacia and let me know what kind of latency Cubase registers?
>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> getting 0.02ms through my Multiface AD/DA's and 0.91 ms through
> my
>>>>>>>>>>> ADI
>>>>>>>>>>> 8-DS
>>>>>>>>>>> AD/DA's. That seems like a pretty big discrepancy, but the ADI
> 8-DS
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> routed through a MADI converter box where the Multiface isn't so
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> really is that big a difference. It would be nice to have it
>>>>>>>>>>> confirmed
>>>>>>>>>>> somehow when/if you get the chance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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| Re: DAW Benchmarks for XP32, 64 and Vista..Pro Tools 7.4 Vista [message #92634 is a reply to message #92626] |
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rtist (especially
>>>>>> composers who don't play live), but they aren't the only possibilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Along those lines, it's a bit tiresome for independent musicians to
> hear
>>>>>> that music should be given away for free to promote live shows, and
> live
>>>>>> shows should be done at a loss to promote the music. It would be easy
>>> to
>>>>>> burn the candle at both ends with that combination of common armchair
>>>>>> advice. Also, not every artist aspires to be a T-shirt shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the RIAA, they are not a forward thinking bunch. I think we
> would
>>>>>> agree about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, maybe I put that incorrectly. I should say the price of data
> decreases,
>>>>>>> but I stick to it. Just as there are some microeconomic situations
> where
>>>>>>> prices can behave oddly, on occasion this rule can be (temporarily)
>>> breached.
>>>>>>> Technological innovations in general are hard to contain. Gutenberg
>>> invented
>>>>>>> movable type in 1452. Even with typesetting books were a major PITA
>>> to
>>>>> produce,
>>>>>>> but in comparison to copying them by hand using tempura ink on vellum
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was a serious step in the right direction. By 1500 there were over
> 1000
>>>>> printing
>>>>>>> shops in Europe producing 20 million books yearly. So in fifty years
>>> the
>>>>>>> output went from nearly zero to 20 million, and books were well on
> their
>>>>>>> way to being commodity items.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't see how the 'content providers' are going to fight that dynamic
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the internet. OpenBSD used to make a lot of their money from CD sales
>>>>> because
>>>>>>> it was a huge PITA to download over a slow connection. I still buy
> the
>>>>> CDs
>>>>>>> to support the project, but I download the ISOs if I need them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're in the business of selling one and zeros I don't see how
> that
>>>>> price
>>>>>>> dynamic doesn't eventually win out. You can create scarcity (and thus
>>>>> price
>>>>>>> control) with a live show (no band/artist can be in more than one
> place
>>>>> at
>>>>>>> a time) a T-Shirt, and a lot of other things, but as long as music
> can
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> stored as 1s adn 0s, which means for the foreseeable future, it's
> just
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> way things are going to go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "As bandwidth increases the value of data decreases."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not automatically true. That would be like saying when the
> supply
>>>>>>>> of trees goes up, the value of books and newspapers goes down. It
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Mon, 12 November 2007 08:14 |
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t;
>>>>>>>> doesn't necessarily work that way. You're not just selling trees,
> they
>>>>>>>> are a carrier for the content you are selling. The carrier price
> has
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> impact but it isn't the main value.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As long as there is a demand for the content itself, there is value.
>>>>>>>> When people show an interest in your content by listening/viewing
> or
>>>>>>>> acquiring it, they are reaffirming that it has value. Otherwise they
>>>>>>>> wouldn't bother with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Granted, when content becomes easier to acquire without paying, there's
>>>>>>>> a marketing and business model challenge. But it's not insurmountable.
>>>>>>>> Companies have created viable businesses with over-the-air radio
> and
>>>>> TV,
>>>>>>>> and with web content.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Are you even the _tiniest_ bit surprised by this? If so, you haven't
>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> watching the RIAA closely enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are a few online places where friends of mine and I trade
> reggae
>>>>>>> dubplates.
>>>>>>>>> We're talking super obscure records that had maybe a half dozen
> 12"
>>>>> copies
>>>>>>>>> made for sound systems. They're hard to find but for true dancehall
>>>>> dweebs
>>>>>>>>> like me they might as well be made of gold. On top of that copyright
>>>>> law
>>>>>>>>> in Jamaica is roughly on par with that of Macedonia and China to
> begin
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>> But we all are terrified we'll get sued at some point and be told
>>> we
>>>>> owe
>>>>>>>>> $10k/song for records nobody else wants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And this will only get crazier. As bandwidth increases the value
> of
>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>> decreases. It's as simple and unchangeable as the laws of scarcity
>>> in
>>>>>>> microeconomics.
>>>>>>>>> I recently did a bittorrent download of the new version of Ubuntu.
>>> 700MB
>>>>>>>>> on a cable modem line and it was done in less than an hour. On my
>>> work
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>> (100 mb/s pretty clean until it hits the student network) file transfers
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Mon, 12 November 2007 17:37 |
TCB
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writing their congressmen about changing our trade agreements.
>>
>>Just my .02
>Hey, thanks. I did like what you sent me before a lot. I'm on my way to
dreamland now, but I'll check this stuff out after work tomorrow. :)
S
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477d7613$1@linux...
>I lost your e-mail address a recent computer crash. Here's a link to MP3's
>of my old bandmates.
> http://www.itsaboutmusic.net:80/catalog/advanced_search_resu lt.php?keywords=Space&osCsid=3f159f95cc02a314b1298dda1b4 f9495&x=9&y=8
>
> You had commented in the past on how you liked the music. This is the
> first time their music has ever been available for download.
>
> Scroll down to Space Opera. the first album was recorded in 1972. The
> second one in 1998. It's fun to hear this stuff and remember when we used
> to try to make a living covering only Byrds and Beatles material.
> http://www.spaceopera.net/
> On the second album, I'm especially smitten with Mother Nature-Father
> Time, Stolen Ground, Vieux Carre and Blavatski.
>
> I'm in the beginning stages of working with the surviving members of the
> band with some new material.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Deej
>Hmm...look at Mackie, an American firm where their owners saw more $
in China too. Sorry to say but investments of capital have no native
country at all, especially not when the world is being globalized the
way it is. Not any congressmen in America, or else in the world can
change that.
And now we have Russia on good way back in time for the people, with
Putin that's now going in front with the power with echonomic help
from Russian oil and gas and also with good help from his old KGB
friends from the old Sovjet. Putin is now controlling some of the
biggest oil and gasfields in the world. With the oil and gaspower,
Putin can really set Russia back in position for the top in the world.
The western world are extremely needing Putins oil and gas and is
doing nearly everything to be friend with him. If we're talking about
a form for worldpower-poker here, I can say Putin now seems to have
the best cards on his hands to get back the power of the world, as it
seems that Bush and his administration now have destroyed for America
with their "Texas-pokerplayings" around the world the last 7 years,
after the Sept. 11 attack.
It's not many weeks ago since Putin demonstrated his new military
power right besides the Norwegian oilproducing installations in The
Nort Sea, right out from here where I'm living.
The Russian military activity have been dead in the North Atlantic
Ocean since the collaps of Sovjet. Now it's like old cold wardays
again are coming here. So it shows up really well that Putin are
demonstrating that he now have the power to show the world he can also
tackle political problems outside Russia. By the way, the Russian Navy
with both ships and aircrafts that demonstrated their power here, have
sailed into the Meditterranian Sea, just showing up that they again
can both protect or destroy.
The world need oil and gas, so worldleaders are standing in cue to be
friends with Putin and kiss him. Also Bush have been over in Russia to
give Putin some friendly kisses and great smiles. So Putin and Russia
must have some kind of things that the western world extremely well
need for the future, to build up a form for "friendship".
Chinese workers are "stealing" western jobs, not only from American
people but from the whole western world, but with money from the
western world's investors, that only have money and power as their
native countries. Uli Behringer is just one of them that saw a new way
to sell, as Jamie Engen, the President of Loud Technologies, also
knows a lot about.
Just my 2 cents sitting outside USA and also getting political
informations from different places in the western world.
Sorry, couldn't hold me from the political arena after some years of
saying nothing;-) Generally, I should wrote this in General, but it
seems General is more dead then alive;-)
Erling
On 4 Jan 2008 16:49:38 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>I have to say, free trade is not free right now, it costs American
>jobs. It is costing us our standard of living. I would encourage people
>to stop buying Chinese products, or at least slow down. Everybody should
>be writing their congressmen about changing our trade agreements.
>
>Just my .02Good observations Erling - didn't know about Putin and Russia's military
build up - interesting.
Imho, a globalized economy can be fine, albeit an adjustment for both sides
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Mon, 12 November 2007 19:21 |
Neil
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to this
balance - it's like getting a kid addicted to candy and then telling him to
exercise daily, eat right, and lead a balanced life, while slowly feeding
him more and more costly candy to keep him on task. Doesn't work.
The world needs to move away from oil as an energy source. It isn't
renewable unless we live to be 10,000,000 and our population never grows
(another problem that needs to be addressed - growth as a prosperity goal -
it's a dead end as well).
I'm seriously hoping to be able to go hybrid with our next cars. With US
gas prices projected to pass $4/gal this summer (I know that's not much
compared to the UK, Aus, etc), it's long past time to make changes. At this
point, I think we are lessening the damage, not solving a problem, so we as
a civilization are living on borrowed time.
Just my .02. Sorry to further extend the OT drift of this thread.
BTW - couldn't get the original link to work, but I found the videos on
YouTube - interesting. Can't say I like Behringer more, or less - just
interesting.
Also interesting, apparently the new Euphonix controllers are manufactured
in China - that's how they went from a $16k controller down to a $1500
version.
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/4/08 7:37 AM, in article ve8sn35e6r6h30evkc9uo4n74olnt3lsto@4ax.com,
"erlilo" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
> Hmm...look at Mackie, an American firm where their owners saw more $
> in China too. Sorry to say but investments of capital have no native
> country at all, especially not when the world is being globalized the
> way it is. Not any congressmen in America, or else in the world can
> change that.
> And now we have Russia on good way back in time for the people, with
> Putin that's now going in front with the power with echonomic help
> from Russian oil and gas and also with good help from his old KGB
> friends from the old Sovjet. Putin is now controlling some of the
> biggest oil and gasfields in the world. With the oil and gaspower,
> Putin can really set Russia back in position for the top in the world.
> The western world are extremely needing Putins oil and gas and is
> doing nearly everything to be friend with him. If we're talking about
> a form for worldpower-poker here, I can say Putin now seems to have
> the best cards on his hands to get back the power of the world, as it
> seems that Bush and his administration now have destroyed for America
> with their "Texas-pokerplayings" around the world the last 7 years,
> after the Sept. 11 attack.
> It's not many weeks ago since Putin demonstrated his new military
> power right besides the Norwegian oilproducing installations in The
> Nort Sea, right out from here where I'm living.
> The Russian military activity have been dead in the North Atlantic
> Ocean since the collaps of Sovjet. Now it's like old cold wardays
> again are coming here. So it shows up really well that Putin are
> demonstrating that he now have the power to show the world he can also
> tackle political problems outside Russia. By the way, the Russian Navy
> with both ships and aircrafts that demonstrated their power here, have
> sailed into the Meditterranian Sea, just showing up that they again
> can both protect or destroy.
> The world need oil and gas, so worldleaders are standing in cue to be
> friends with Putin and kiss him. Also Bush have been over in Russia to
> give Putin some friendly kisses and great smiles. So Putin and Russia
> must have some kind of things that the western world extremely well
> need for the future, to build up a form for "friendship".
> Chinese workers are "stealing" western jobs, not only from American
> people but from the whole western world, but with money from the
> western world's investors, that only have money and power as their
> native countries. Uli Behringer is just one of them that saw a new way
> to sell, as Jamie Engen, the President of Loud Technologies, also
> knows a lot about.
>
> Just my 2 cents sitting outside USA and also getting political
> informations from different places in the western world.
>
> Sorry, couldn't hold me from the political arena after some years of
> saying nothing;-) Generally, I should wrote this in General, but it
> seems General is more dead then alive;-)
>
> Erling
>
>
>
> On 4 Jan 2008 16:49:38 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have to say, free trade is not free right now, it costs American
>> jobs. It is costing us our standard of living. I would encourage people
>> to stop buying Chinese products, or at least slow down. Everybody should
>> be writing their congressmen about changing our trade agreements.
>>
>> Just my .02I'm getting Crashbasket fitted for an articulated stifle brace.
http://www.orthopets.com/photo/index.html
These guys are in Denver. I'll probably arrive Thursday night, get his leg
casted on Friday, they will build the brace Saturday, he will get fitted and
adjustments Sunday and we will and leave Monday.
I'm probably going to be pretty hotel bound in the meantime since he's not
going to be extremely mobile, but I'm thinking about renting a minivan so
that he will have plenty of room and if it's not too cold, we could probably
grab a bite while he hangs in the van or something. He's short haired so I
can't leave him in the cold for too long.
DeejWe get to meet Crashbas
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ket!! Count me in.
Right now it looks like Friday or Sunday could work.
We could order takeout or just have lunch at the hotel so the Crasher
doesn't have to ride around in the cold.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Deej wrote:
> I'm getting Crashbasket fitted for an articulated stifle brace.
>
> http://www.orthopets.com/photo/index.html
>
> These guys are in Denver. I'll probably arrive Thursday night, get his leg
> casted on Friday, they will build the brace Saturday, he will get fitted and
> adjustments Sunday and we will and leave Monday.
>
> I'm probably going to be pretty hotel bound in the meantime since he's not
> going to be extremely mobile, but I'm thinking about renting a minivan so
> that he will have plenty of room and if it's not too cold, we could probably
> grab a bite while he hangs in the van or something. He's short haired so I
> can't leave him in the cold for too long.
>
> Deej
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:477e72b2$1@linux...
>
> We get to meet Crashbasket!! Count me in.
>
> Right now it looks like Friday or Sunday could work.
>
> We could order takeout or just have lunch at the hotel so the Crasher
> doesn't have to ride around in the cold.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
That would work. If we take him out in public we'll eventually get
surrounded by throngs of people as everyone who sees him will first say
"Wow!!!...that's the biggest dog I've ever seen" and then want to come over
and pet him (something he loves), ask how tall he is, how much he weighs and
those who have previously owned Great Danes will start talking about how
cool their Great Dane was and some of them will start to cry.
It always happens
I'll let you know where we're gonna be staying.
;o)I'm pretty sure I could make it up that way Friday or Saturday - Sunday
might be tough
as I think I'm tied up that morning until 1 or so, and then again that
evening.
I would offer to bring our Newfy for a doggy playdate, but probably not a
good idea for Crash at the moment :-(
Regards,
Dedric
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:477e7393@linux...
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:477e72b2$1@linux...
>>
>> We get to meet Crashbasket!! Count me in.
>>
>> Right now it looks like Friday or Sunday could work.
>>
>> We could order takeout or just have lunch at the hotel so the Crasher
>> doesn't have to ride around in the cold.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> That would work. If we take him out in public we'll eventually get
> surrounded by throngs of people as everyone who sees him will first say
> "Wow!!!...that's the biggest dog I've ever seen" and then want to come
> over and pet him (something he loves), ask how tall he is, how much he
> weighs and those who have previously owned Great Danes will start talking
> about how cool their Great Dane was and some of them will start to cry.
>
> It always happens
>
> I'll let you know where we're gonna be staying.
>
> ;o)
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message news:477e7ad3@linux...
> I'm pretty sure I could make it up that way Friday or Saturday - Sunday
> might be tough
> as I think I'm tied up that morning until 1 or so, and then again that
> evening.
>
> I would offer to bring our Newfy for a doggy playdate, but probably not a
> good idea for Crash at the moment :-(
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
I'm sure Crash would love to play with your Newfie, but he's getting a bit
lame in one leg right now so maybe not a good idea this goaround.
I'm checking on doggie friendly hotels in the vicinity of the place we will
be getting the work done. I'll let you guys know when I know.
I want to see Macy's new studio while I'm there. Crash is a very well
behaved studio hound. He's right at home amongst racks of gear, although he
can create some pretty high SPL if he decides to offer up and opinion.
;o)I'm way up for seeing John's new place, too. Still haven't made it over
there (except once long ago, the first time he ran that place).
Saturday I'll be in Boulder to try and learn something about EV
batteries at the next Denver Electric Vehicle Council meeting.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Deej wrote:
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message news:477e7ad3@linux...
>> I'm pretty sure I could make it up that way Friday or Saturday - Sunday
>> might be tough
>> as I think I'm tied up that morning until 1 or so, and then again that
>> evening.
>>
>> I would offer to bring our Newfy for a doggy playdate, but probably not a
>> good idea for Crash at the moment :-(
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>
> I'm sure Crash would love to play with your Newfie,
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Mon, 12 November 2007 19:24 |
Dedric Terry
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way up for seeing John's new place, too. Still haven't made it over
> there (except once long ago, the first time he ran that place).
>
> Saturday I'll be in Boulder to try and learn something about EV batteries
> at the next Denver Electric Vehicle Council meeting.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> Deej wrote:
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:477e7ad3@linux...
>>> I'm pretty sure I could make it up that way Friday or Saturday - Sunday
>>> might be tough
>>> as I think I'm tied up that morning until 1 or so, and then again that
>>> evening.
>>>
>>> I would offer to bring our Newfy for a doggy playdate, but probably not
>>> a good idea for Crash at the moment :-(
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure Crash would love to play with your Newfie, but he's getting a
>> bit lame in one leg right now so maybe not a good idea this goaround.
>>
>> I'm checking on doggie friendly hotels in the vicinity of the place we
>> will be getting the work done. I'll let you guys know when I know.
>>
>> I want to see Macy's new studio while I'm there. Crash is a very well
>> behaved studio hound. He's right at home amongst racks of gear, although
>> he can create some pretty high SPL if he decides to offer up and opinion.
>>
>> ;o)
>>Deej wrote:
> Well, I think it's very nice of me to invite us over there ;oD, but just to
> be sure, I think John may need to weigh in on this.
Like anyone can say "no" to Crashbasket!? :^)
Hey John M., are you around next weekend?
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> ;o)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:477e8596@linux...
>> I'm way up for seeing John's new place, too. Still haven't made it over
>> there (except once long ago, the first time he ran that place).
>>
>> Saturday I'll be in Boulder to try and learn something about EV batteries
>> at the next Denver Electric Vehicle Council meeting.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Deej wrote:
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:477e7ad3@linux...
>>>> I'm pretty sure I could make it up that way Friday or Saturday - Sunday
>>>> might be tough
>>>> as I think I'm tied up that morning until 1 or so, and then again that
>>>> evening.
>>>>
>>>> I would offer to bring our Newfy for a doggy playdate, but probably not
>>>> a good idea for Crash at the moment :-(
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>> I'm sure Crash would love to play with your Newfie, but he's getting a
>>> bit lame in one leg right now so maybe not a good idea this goaround.
>>>
>>> I'm checking on doggie friendly hotels in the vicinity of the place we
>>> will be getting the work done. I'll let you guys know when I know.
>>>
>>> I want to see Macy's new studio while I'm there. Crash is a very well
>>> behaved studio hound. He's right at home amongst racks of gear, although
>>> he can create some pretty high SPL if he decides to offer up and opinion.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>I'm in--I just wiped the day free on Friday. I have a gig at Lannies that
evening with a late afternoon loadin, but am good till then. Saturday is
pretty hectic, as is Sunday...
And Crash is welcome at the studio of course... :)
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>Deej wrote:
>> Well, I think it's very nice of me to invite us over there ;oD, but just
to
>> be sure, I think John may need to weigh in on this.
>
>Like anyone can say "no" to Crashbasket!? :^)
>
>Hey John M., are you around next weekend?
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:477e8596@linux...
>>> I'm way up for seeing John's new place, too. Still haven't made it over
>>> there (except once long ago, the first time he ran that place).
>>>
>>> Saturday I'll be in Boulder to try and learn something about EV batteries
>>> at the next Denver Electric Vehicle Council meeting.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Deej wrote:
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:477e7ad3@linux...
>>>>> I'm pretty sure I could make it up that way Friday or Saturday - Sunday
>>>>> might be tough
>>>>> as I think I'm tied up that morning until 1 or so, and then again that
>>>>> evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would offer to bring our Newfy for a doggy playdate, but probably
not
>>>>> a good idea for Crash at the moment :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sure Crash would love to play with your Newfie, but he's getting
a
>>>> bit lame in one leg right now so maybe not a good idea this goaround.
>>>>
>>>> I'm checking on doggie friendly hotels in the vicinity of the place
we
>>>> will be getting the work done. I'll let you guys know when I know.
>>>>
>>>> I want to see Macy's new studio while I'm there. Crash is a very well
>>>> behaved studio hound. He's right at home amongst racks of gear, although
>>>> he can create some pretty high SPL if he decides to offer up and opinion.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>I just took the challenge, also assuming I would like the Liquid mix less,
not ever having heard it. I got 60% right. This was through cheap tiny speakers
on my internet computer.
Rod
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>
>Hmmm... interesting... i just took this challenge, but I didn't
>really try to guess which one the Liquid Mix was (never heard
>it, therefore how the fuck could i pick it out?), but rather
>went under the pretense that I would automatically pick the one
>that sounded "worse" to my ear as the Liquid Mix in each
>case...
>
>...in doing so, I only got 30% of them RIGHT.
>
>Neil
>
>
>"lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I've
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been saying that for over a year now..Liquid mix really works and
those
>>eq and comps plugins sound great..
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Yeah, I listened to them and really could not hear a preference. I ran
>
>>>some simple tests with my UAD1 and my hardware UREI 1176LN and could not
>>
>>>hear a preference there either. I must say the Liquid Mix is a bargain
>
>>>for what all you get.
>>>
>>>Ted Gerber wrote:
>>>> http://www.focusrite.com/liquidmixchallenge/
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if anyone has tried this yet, but it's interesting. There's
>>
>>>> also a downloadable phase reverse file for further consideration.
>>>>
>>>> I really like the Liquid Mix. To me, it sounds great as a plugin at
any
>>price
>>>> point, but considering the price, I think it's fantastic...
>>>>
>>>> FWIW
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>
>Sounds great, John - next Friday it is!
So Deej, what's Crash's schedule that day? When do you want to get
together.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
John Macy wrote:
> I'm in--I just wiped the day free on Friday. I have a gig at Lannies that
> evening with a late afternoon loadin, but am good till then. Saturday is
> pretty hectic, as is Sunday...
>
> And Crash is welcome at the studio of course... :)
>
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Deej wrote:
>>> Well, I think it's very nice of me to invite us over there ;oD, but just
> to
>>> be sure, I think John may need to weigh in on this.
>> Like anyone can say "no" to Crashbasket!? :^)
>>
>> Hey John M., are you around next weekend?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:477e8596@linux...
>>>> I'm way up for seeing John's new place, too. Still haven't made it over
>
>>>> there (except once long ago, the first time he ran that place).
>>>>
>>>> Saturday I'll be in Boulder to try and learn something about EV batteries
>
>>>> at the next Denver Electric Vehicle Council meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Deej wrote:
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:477e7ad3@linux...
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I could make it up that way Friday or Saturday - Sunday
>
>>>>>> might be tough
>>>>>> as I think I'm tied up that morning until 1 or so, and then again that
>
>>>>>> evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would offer to bring our Newfy for a doggy playdate, but probably
> not
>>>>>> a good idea for Crash at the moment :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure Crash would love to play with your Newfie, but he's getting
> a
>>>>> bit lame in one leg right now so maybe not a good idea this goaround.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm checking on doggie friendly hotels in the vicinity of the place
> we
>>>>> will be getting the work done. I'll let you guys know when I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to see Macy's new studio while I'm there. Crash is a very well
>
>>>>> behaved studio hound. He's right at home amongst racks of gear, although
>
>>>>> he can create some pretty high SPL if he decides to offer up and opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>That would work. If we take him out in public we'll eventually get
>surrounded by throngs of people as everyone who sees him will first say
>"Wow!!!...that's the biggest dog I've ever seen"
A few years ago I ran across this gal in Petsmart with three
Great Danes with her... one of 'em was absolutely enormous -
the others were normal, good-sized for their breed. She was
wearing a rescue service jacket of some kind & I asked her if
they were pets or working dogs; she said they used them for
finding people that were lost in the mountains up in Big Bend
Nat'l Forest east of here. I remarked that I hadn't known that
Danes were used for tracking, and she said they could track OK,
but they mainly used them because they're so robust & can take
that kind of terrain for long periods of time. So, the bigger
& stronger they can get 'em, the better for their purposes, I
guess... and that one pooch was frickin' enormous!
NeilYou doubled my score - you rat-bastard! lol
I went with whichever one i thought sounded thinner, or less
high-fidelity as the LiquidMix. If both sounded good, but one
sounded "smoother", that was the one I picked as the analog
clip... not all that scientific, perhaps, but it gave me
a "control" group, in a way - the hypothetical center where I
wasn't guessing, but was rather making my se
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> on to others who might be excited to know there is an alternative to big
> bus- I'm sorry. I meant big government running our lives.
I think that if he were outfitted with a cardigan sweater he could sub in
for Mr. Rogers, part 2. There's plenty about Ron Paul's message that I
like, and plenty about it that is seemingly from outer space. He seems to be
in total denial of some pretty major global realities and I would like to
hear him explain exactly how he plans to convert our currency to the gold
standard. As far as Moyers is concerned, I love the obvious bias in some of
his questions ........so ...since I can't really say much nice, I won't say
anything.........I know that's not like me, but I've sorta' got a soft spot
for him from my days when I was a hard core liberal kinda' guy......before I
stopped using mind altering substances.
Well.........I'm certainly game. It's only about 4 hours from here. Closer,
timewise, than Denver.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:47814fc7$1@linux...
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>Maybe Aaron and I can plan a Denver, part 2 next spring, or we could all
> get
>>together here or in some other cool place like Taos or Sante Fe and have
>
>>some fun.
>
>
> Santa Fe would work for me, as well, depending on my schedule!
>
> NeilI agree with this. There is a breathtaking level of casual corruption
in NYC (my hometown) but Rudi seems like he wants the job, not
to be a rock star or to fulfill some fantasy, but because there is
something he wants to accomplish. I also like Thompson because he
says what he really thinks, and seems like he cannot be bought.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I wouldn't be especially terrified of a Guliani administration, though I've
>always wondered if anyone dirty enough to become (and stay) mayor of NYC
>could be clean enough to win a presidential campaign. I'd certainly prefer
>it to any of the Dems or Reps.
>
>TCB
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>I'm still in the Guliani camp. We need a liberal who isn't a total idiot
>
>>right about now.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:477fdd61$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The nihilist in me eagerly awaits a Huckabee v. Obama campaign. The man
>
>>> who
>>> stands for absolutely nothing but a vague self interest in his own
>>> advancement
>>> vs. the man who concretely and desperately believes in nearly everything
>>> I despise.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080104/D8TUR8980.html
>>>>
>>>>Holy Moly! Hillary in 3rd place....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>
>>
>>
>That's OK Deej, we all want what's best for the Crashmeister!
Cheers,
-Jamie
Deej wrote:
> Guys,
>
> After thinking this through a bit more, I realized that my carefully
> conceived plans took everything into account but Crash himself. He doesn't
> really take well to being handled by strangers and it pretty much subject to
> copping a very uncooperative attitude with stuff like this when put in an
> unfamiliar environment. Stressing him to this degree on top of a long and
> uncomfortable vehicle trip and then putting him in a situation wherein some
> stranger is poking and prodding him will just not work and what will happen
> is that I'll be in Denver, on the cusp of a weekend, needing to hire some
> vet who is a stranger to come over to this facility to give him mild
> sedation. We have a local vet who does housecalls and who Crash likes come
> over here and help us do the whole procedure here. Once the brace is
> fabricated, if it has problems, then I can bring him to Denver for a
> retooling session without introducing him to such an ordeal. These big dogs
> are surprisingly fragile when it comes to stress and all sorts of negatives
> can result.
>
> Maybe Aaron and I can plan a Denver, part 2 next spring, or we could all get
> together here or in some other cool place like Taos or Sante Fe and have
> some fun.
>
> Just wanted to let you guys. I hope this didn't hose your plans for nrext
> weekend. I know some of you cleared the decks for us so I wanted to let you
> know ASAP.
>
> Deej
>
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> in NYC (my hometown) but Rudi seems like he wants the job, not
> to be a rock star or to fulfill some fantasy, but because there is
> something he wants to accomplish. I also like Thompson because he
> says what he really thinks, and seems like he cannot be bought.
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> DC
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can at least manipulate it into something that can achieve something =
positive. To think it's going to go away is something totally =
unrealistic. We are all corrupt.....even Obama's gonna' have chinks in =
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comes close to honesty and real issues. Barack seems more honest than usual
but he doesn't really have any solid plans.I've done it...no problems at all. Go for it.
Rod
"Cujo" <Chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>Ug, Should I have any trepidations on ugrading form 4.6 to 4.9?Deej,
I'm curious about exactly which "global realities" you think he does not
understand?
I have noticed a tendency in the mainstream media to portray Ron Paul as
a kook or a crazy, without stating any specific reasons whatever. That
kind of covert slander of a person's sanity is really slimey IMHO.
That's what people do when they are really desperate to win an argument
and they have nothing.
Anyway I am fed up with the apathy we face in this country about
changing our government institutions and political system. I think we
can do something about it, and I like that Ron Paul is standing up to
say "I am the man who will do it." That takes a LOT of courage.
Deej wrote:
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4780f132$1@linux...
>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01042008/watch2.html
>>
>> This is a very thoughtful interview. If you like Paul's message, pass it
>> on to others who might be excited to know there is an alternative to big
>> bus- I'm sorry. I meant big government running our lives.
>
> I think that if he were outfitted with a cardigan sweater he could sub in
> for Mr. Rogers, part 2. There's plenty about Ron Paul's message that I
> like, and plenty about it that is seemingly from outer space. He seems to be
> in total denial of some pretty major global realities and I would like to
> hear him explain exactly how he plans to convert our currency to the gold
> standard. As far as Moyers is concerned, I love the obvious bias in some of
> his questions ........so ...since I can't really say much nice, I won't say
> anything.........I know that's not like me, but I've sorta' got a soft spot
> for him from my days when I was a hard core liberal kinda' guy......before I
> stopped using mind altering substances.
>
>
>we are all corrupt? bullshit"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>we are all corrupt? bullshit
I think he meant we all do less than honorable things now and then.
It's a good point that someone who has seen corruption, the systemic kind,
not the human-weakness kind, is better equipped to deal with it.
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> Deej,
>=20
> I'm curious about exactly which "global realities" you think he does =
not=20
> understand?
Bill & Ron says:
BILL MOYERS: --who own, as you say, a lot of the media out there.=20
RON PAUL: But I think it's still to this philosophy they believe in. =
They believe in war. And they believe in the military industrial =
complex. And some of these companies that are mixed in with making =
profits off war.
I think that's a distorted crock, personally.
BILL MOYERS: You remind me of something you told Tim Russet on MEET THE =
PRESS-- you talked about fascism. Look at this piece of tape.=20
RON PAUL (on MEET THE PRESS): Were not moving toward Hitler-type =
fascism, but we're moving toward a softer fascism. Loss of civil =
liberties, corporations running the show, big government in bed with big =
business. So you have the military industrial complex, you have the =
medical industrial complex, you have the financial industry, you have =
the communications industry. They go to Washington and spend hundreds of =
millions of dollars. That's where the control is. I call that a soft =
form of fascism, something that is very dangerous.=20
yadda yadda....and then he says:
RON PAUL: Yeah. Now we're living in an age today in this post-9/11 =
atmosphere where our civil liberties are being undermined constantly. =
All in the name of safety and security we're supposed to give up our =
rights for our privacy? We're allowed now to accept the idea of secret =
prisons and secret renditions, and the lost of habeas corpus. This is =
very, very dangerous. And I don't want to get to the point where it's =
hard to reverse. Matter of fact, right now it's getting more difficult =
everyday to reverse this trend, because the American people seem to so =
often say, "You know I want to be-- I can't be free, if I'm not safe. =
So, I want my government to make me safe." And they're willing to give =
up their liberties. And I'm convinced that you never have to give up =
liberties to be safe. I think you're less safe when you give up your =
liberty
I think Paul totally doesn't get the fact that due to our open society, =
our own laws can be used against us in time of war......except if you =
don't believe we are at war, in which case I say that his is dangerously =
in the twilight zone concerning some global realities. We have always =
had to take certain measures that restricted our freedoms during time of =
war.=20
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47051?current Page=3Dall
They were measures that were deemed necessary at the time and they have =
also always been rescinded when the war ended. This is no different. =
Many of us are just in total denial that we are at war.......a very =
real, down and dirty, no holds barred war.
I also think that his foriegn policy is, despite trying to put a new =
sole on an old shoe, isolationist, and all you have to do is look to =
history to see how that kind of policy has allowed conflicts to fester =
and escalate until we are called upon to field a massive military =
juggernaut in order to end a world war. If anyont thinks that war is =
going to go away just because we do, they are living in Disneyland. All =
that will happen is that we will
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just have to deal with a bigger mess on =
a larger scale than we are doing now.
>=20
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as=20
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> kind of covert slander of a person's sanity is really slimey IMHO.=20
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this=20
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military industrial complex. And some of these companies that are mixed =
in with=20
making profits off war.</EM></FONT></P>
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personally.</FONT></P>
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something you told=20
Tim Russet on MEET THE PRESS-- you talked about fascism. Look at this =
piece of=20
tape. </EM></FONT>
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not moving=20
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Loss of=20
civil liberties, corporations running the show, big government in bed =
with big=20
business. So you have the military industrial complex, you have the =
medical=20
industrial complex, you have the financial industry, you have the =
communications=20
industry. They go to Washington and spend hundreds of millions of =
dollars.=20
That's where the control is. I call that a soft form of fascism, =
something that=20
is very dangerous. </EM></FONT></P>
<P><EM><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>yadda yadda....and then he =
says:</FONT></EM></P>
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we're living=20
in an age today in this post-9/11 atmosphere where our civil liberties =
are being=20
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supposed to=20
give up our rights for our privacy? We're allowed now to accept the idea =
of=20
secret prisons and secret renditions, and the lost of habeas corpus. =
This is=20
very, very dangerous. And I don't want to get to the point where it's =
hard to=20
reverse. Matter of fact, right now it's getting more difficult everyday =
to=20
reverse this trend, because the American people seem to so often say, =
"You know=20
I want to be-- I can't be free, if I'm not safe. So, I want my =
government to=20
make me safe." And they're willing to give up their liberties. And I'm =
convinced=20
that you never have to give up liberties to be safe. I think you're less =
safe=20
when you give up your liberty</EM></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think Paul totally doesn't get the fact =
that due to=20
our open society, our own laws can be used against us in time of =
war......except=20
if you don't believe we are at war, in which case I say that his is =
dangerously=20
in the twilight zone concerning some <STRONG>global realities</STRONG>. =
We have=20
always had to take certain measures that restricted our freedoms during =
time of=20
war. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D" http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47051?current Page=3D=
all"> http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47051?current Page=3Da=
ll</A></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They were measures that were deemed =
necessary at the=20
time and they have also always been rescinded when the war ended. =
</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>This is no different. Many of us are just in total =
denial that=20
we are at war.......a very real, down and dirty, no holds barred =
war.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also think that his foriegn policy is, =
despite=20
trying to put a new sole on an old shoe, isolationist, and all you have =
to do is=20
look to history to see how that kind of policy has allowed conflicts to =
fester=20
and escalate until we are called upon to field a massive military =
juggernaut in=20
order to end a world war. If anyont thinks that war is going to go away =
just=20
because we do, they are living in Disneyland. All that will happen =
is that=20
we will just have to deal with a bigger mess on a larger scale than we =
are doing=20
now.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> I have noticed a tendency =
in the=20
mainstream media to portray Ron Paul as <BR>> a kook or a crazy, =
without=20
stating any specific reasons whatever. That <BR>> kind of covert =
slander of a=20
person's sanity is really slimey IMHO. <BR>> That's what people do =
when they=20
are really desperate to win an argument <BR>> and they have =
nothing.<BR>>=20
<BR>> Anyway I am fed up with the apathy we face in this country =
about=20
<BR>> changing our government institutions and political system. I =
think we=20
<BR>> can do something about it, and I like that Ron Paul is standing =
up to=20
<BR>> say "I am the man who will do it." That takes a LOT of =
courage.<BR>>=20
<BR></FONT></DIV>
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------=_NextPart_000_00F3_01C8508F.6B1A72E0--You perfect John?
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:478174ae$1@linux...
>
> we are all corrupt? bullshitHis views on Iraq are poorly informed rhetoric that not even Hillary
would embrace. Yet, he hammers away at every opportunity at them
with a religious zeal to the point that he appears unbalanced.
Personally, I like a lot of the Libertarian outlook, but, and this is a huge
problem for RP IMO, his plan to end the war would hand AQ and the
mullah meat puppet in Iran an instant victory and we would be dealing
with the results for decades.
Oppose the war? Fine. f*cking fine. Just come up with a realistic plan
for ending it. His is nuts.
What pissed me off was Romney and McCain talking about how many
decades it would take to be energy independent. That is politician-talk
for "I ain't gonna worry about it, the next jerk can deal with it".
Idiots.
We need more refineries. NOW. and we need to drill drill drill until
our own oil production can impact the market and take the power away
from these effin' lunatics, and we need to crash-course alternatives and
NOW.
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