| teaser Paris for sale [message #74099] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 16:48  |
John [1]
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>> and a healthy fear of a real threat will keep you alive whereas you can
>>> die by living in the fantasy world of an idealistic anachronism, or you
>>> can face reality, deal with it for the time being and have something left
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| Re: teaser Paris for sale [message #74104 is a reply to message #74102] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 17:14   |
Don Nafe
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can get BEYOND being in a blaming mood, the
>>>> assumption that one party or another is eager to invite attack is
>>>> presumptuous. Surely there are at least a few real patriots left in BOTH
>>>> major parties AND the minor parties.
>>>>
>>>> There are different ways to attempt to meet any threat, diffuse the
>>>> threat and find solutions for any situation. Maybe, just maybe, we'll
>>>> get some further options on the table now to meet this threat, and
>>>> maybe, just maybe, they'll work better than the current approach which
>>>> has hardly been flawless.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever we do, let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated by
>>>> terrorists into strutting around acting like overcompensating insecure
>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed
>>>> abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe, just
>>>> maybe, we're better than that.
>>>>
>>>> The best way to be strong is to come together, work together and choose
>>>> from the widest array of effective options.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a
>>>>>> perception that it
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| Re: teaser Paris for sale [message #74109 is a reply to message #74102] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 18:37   |
audioguy_editout_
 Messages: 249 Registered: December 2005
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e the imperative need for
> this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave
> implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is
> the very structure of our society.
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> In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
> unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
> military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
> misplaced power exists and will persist.
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> We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or
> democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and
> knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial
> and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so
> that security and liberty may prosper together."
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>>> At any rate, it would be inaccurate to imply that anyone who doesn't
>>> agree with a particular course of action is blind, deaf and dumb to
>>> potential threats. <
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> OK, we agree on that, right?
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>> It would be inaccurate to imply that wars have not *always* required
>> great sacrifices from the citizenry of the respective combatants.
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> Right, no one has advocated a sacrifice-free response in this thr
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| Re: teaser Paris for sale [message #74187 is a reply to message #74186] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 11:25   |
John [1]
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ear is fear itself" FDR in another
> >>> context.
> >>>
> >>> This was from Roosevelts first inagural and referred to an economic
> >>> depression. He was trying to keep people from withdrawing their money
> >>> from the banks. He certainly wasn't talking about a shooting war/spies
> >>> and sabatoeurs.
> >> Exactly, and I noted the different context. However the quote is
germane.
> >>
> >> Speaking of ex-presidents and war, Eisenhower said this:
> >>
> >> "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms
> >> industry is new in the American experience. The total
influence-economic,
> >> political, even spiritual-is felt in every city, every state house,
every
> >> office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for
> >> this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave
> >> implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so
is
> >> the very structure of our society.
> >>
> >> In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
> >> unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
> >> military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
> >> misplace
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