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Cease Fire [message #71555]

Mon, 21 August 2006 11:20

DC
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Registered: July 2005

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t;>> way.ethics and religion lose their power to create a
> > community
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and become (instead) a completely personal matter."
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71563 is a reply to message #71555]

Mon, 21 August 2006 12:12

Neil
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eeds to be based
>> on
>>>>>>>> accurate intelligence. Had this been available, then I doubt that
>>>> Bush,
>>>>>>>> Kerry, Kennedy Pelosi and the rest would have authorized the
>> invasion
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Iraq, or perhaps they would have been able to find the WMD's before
>>>> they

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71564 is a reply to message #71563]

Mon, 21 August 2006 12:15

DC
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Registered: July 2005

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/> >>>>>>>> were shipped out of the country or hidden. I just find it hard to
>>>>>> stomach
>>>>>>>> the hypocracy of the democrats whose policies neutered our
>>>> intelligence
>>>>>>>> services in the '90's when they trun around and blame Bush for the
>>>>>> decisions
>>>>>>

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71570 is a reply to message #71564]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:23

Deej [1]

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Registered: January 2006

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/> >> and
>>>>>>>> clever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (at the time) calculations of an Irish Bishop several
>> centuries
>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the face of solid current scientific evidence to the
>>>> contrary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fear of reason extends to some (not all) Christian
>> churches
>>>>>>>> who,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling similarly insecure, deny the solid and ever-mounting
>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution, responding with dogma in psuedo-scientific
>> clothing,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seek to water down scientific education in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fear of reason extends to power hungry industries who
pay
>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>> bucks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to spread denial about global warming for short term gain.
>> Who
>>>>>> push
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control oil in the middle east with force. With our guns
>>>> blazing,
>>>>>>>&

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71573 is a reply to message #71570]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:37

Deej [1]

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; Have a great Monday!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Unholy Alliance Rolls Over the Pope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Andrew Walden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what has suddenly been made into a highly controversial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech, the day after September 11, at Bavaria�s University
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regensberg, Pope Benedict describes Christian belief in
a
>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose words and acts are bound by reason, truth and the
law
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-contradiction. Benedict contrasts this with Islamic
>>>> belief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a God not bound by anything�including his own words.
>>>>>> Benedict
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further contrasts Christian belief with that of secular
>>>>>> humanists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who see reason as being completely unbound of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In response, both Islamists and secularists have demanded
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope apologize. Benedict�s speech is a work of enlightened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius. He has clearly laid out the differences between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian culture and Islamic culture and the basis of the
>>>> clash
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of civilizations we now experience as the War on Terror.
His
>>>>&g

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71575 is a reply to message #71570]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:47

EK Sound

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> > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> DJ wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>> I haven't seen us react with irrationality.............yet.
>> Al
>> > > > > Quaeda
>> > > > >>>>> just
>> > > > >>>>>>> came out with an ultimatim stating that it's full on war
now
>> and
>> > > the
>> > > > >>>>> west
>> > > > >>>>>>> will be destroyed. The only way to save ourselves is to
>> convert
>> > to
>> > > > >>>>> Islam. So
>> > > > >>>>>>> where to you draw the line between irrationality and self
>> > defense?
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> > > > >>> news:450ee7ef@linux...
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Let's keep from reacting to irrationality with
>irrationality
>> of
>> > > our
>> > > > >>>>> own.
>> > > > >>>>>>>> There's a lot of fear mongering. Chicken Little is back.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > > > >>>>>>>> -Jamie
>> > > > >>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71580 is a reply to message #71575]

Mon, 21 August 2006 14:00

Deej [1]

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t;>>>>>>> The Unholy Alliance Rolls Over the Pope
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> By Andrew Walden
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what has suddenly been made into a highly
>controversial
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> speech, the day after September 11, at Bavaria's
>> University
>> > of
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regensberg, Pope Benedict describes Christian belief
in
>a
>> > God
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> whose words and acts are bound by reason, truth and
the
>> law
>> > of
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> non-contradiction. Benedict contrasts this with Islamic
>> > > belief
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> in a God not bound by anything-including his own words.
>> > > > > Benedict
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> further contrasts Christian belief with that of secular
>> > > > > humanists
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> who see reason as being completely unbound of God.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> In response, both Islamists and secularists have
>demanded
>> > the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Pope apologize. Benedict's speech is a work of
>enlightened
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> genius. He has clearly laid out the differences between
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Christian culture and Islamic culture and the basis
of
>the
>> > > clash
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of civilizations we now experience as the War on Terror.
>> His
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> analysis also explains the underlying cause of the
>> alliance
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> between the western Left and the Islamofascist Right.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Islamist reaction focuses on one sentence in the speech.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Reaching back to 1391, Benedict quotes Byzantine Emperor
>> > > Manuel
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> II: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new,
>and
>> > > there
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as
his
>> > > command
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
>> > > > >>>

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71581 is a reply to message #71563]

Mon, 21 August 2006 14:21

Tony Benson

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>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Four days later, according to AP: "Pakistan's
>legislature
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> unanimously condemned Pope Benedict XVI. Lebanon's top
>> > Shiite
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> cleric demanded an apology. And in Turkey, the ruling
>> party
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> likened the pontiff to Hitler and Mussolini and accused
>> him
>> > of
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> reviving the mentality of the Crusades.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
&

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71603 is a reply to message #71581]

Tue, 22 August 2006 02:20

rick

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>> > > > Very
>>> > > > interesting guy. I'm mastering a project for his wife. He
was
>>> =
>>> >pretty
>>> > > > interested in the Paris program. His wife is pretty well known
=
>>> >in the LA
>>> > > > music community and he digs this stuff. I may ask him if he
=
>>> >could write
>>> > a
>>> > > > delay compensation applet for Paris. He really got a chuckle
out
>>> =
>>> >of
>>> > > > Frankencomp.......said he's built a few similar monstrosities
=
>>> >himself.
>>> > > > They
>>> > > > will be back over here tomorrow night.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > ;o)
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71638 is a reply to message #71555]

Tue, 22 August 2006 15:16

Sarah

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;> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perusing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the war against Iraq, the president has had an even scarier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71639 is a reply to message #71555]

Tue, 22 August 2006 15:18

Sarah

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Registered: February 2007

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it, this week Bush has announced the "Third
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awakening"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the international religious struggle. This is a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>> sees
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it and it has been partially brought on by the new fight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>&

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Re: Cease Fire [message #71777 is a reply to message #71639]

Sun, 27 August 2006 09:27

Deej [1]

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specter of an enemy out there. Fear sells.
> > >>> > > > >>>>>>
> > >>> > > > >>>>>> We have yet to actually declare war on anyone in this
> whole
> > >>> mess.
> > >>> > > How
> > >>> > > > >>> do
> > >>> > > > >>>>>> you declare war on a tactic?
> > >>> > > > >>>>>>
> > >>> > > > >>>>>> Forced conversion and head taxes would go over like a
> lead
> > >>> > balloon
> > >>> > > in
> > >>> > > > >>>>>> the USA. Not gonna happen. We're far more sectarian
than,
> > >>say,
> > >>> > > Iraq.
> > >>> > > > >>>>>>
> > >>> > > > >>>>>> Responsible leadership is needed in the world to calm
> > >>extremist
> > >>> > > > >>>>>> tendencies on all sides and help rational people who
are
> > >>trying
> > >>> > to
> > >>> > > > > get
> > >>> > > > >>>>>> by in worsening times. At the same time we need to be,
> and
> > >>are
> > >>

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