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| Re: Final Verdict = Pulsar is going back [message #76350 is a reply to message #76344] |
Wed, 22 November 2006 22:13   |
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;BR>>> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the =
>>exact=20
>>same thing as what<BR>>> they now call their Mix & Master =
>>Pack, and=20
>>IMO, YMMV, etc, some<BR>>> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em =
>>are total=20
>>crap... or more<BR>>> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, =
>>some=20
>>don't seem to<BR>>> do much of anything at all and so you have to =
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| Re: Final Verdict = Pulsar is going back [message #76351 is a reply to message #76347] |
Wed, 22 November 2006 22:13 |
Neil
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>>wonder:=20
>>"why<BR>>> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of=20
>>the<BR>>> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone =
>>mentioned=20
>>that<BR>>> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before =
>>it=20
>>does<BR>>> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I =
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>>haven't<BR>>> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they=20
>>were<BR>>> exaggerating a bit).<BR>>><BR>>> Also, =
>>Aaron, what=20
>>they mention on that page you liked to (down<BR>>> at the bottom =
>>of the=20
>>page) with regard to the list<BR>>> of "plugins", well some of 'em =
>>ain't=20
>>exactly plugins!. I'll<BR>>> paste that list in & run through =
>>it in=20
>>the order they mention<BR>>> the items (my comments in parenthesis =
>>
>>below):<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty=20
>>nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving<BR>>> about it, necessarily, =
>>but it=20
>>sucketh not).<BR>>><BR>>> *Optimaster (this is something =
>>like=20
>>Izotope's Ozone... a Multi-<BR>>> EFX mastering app. It's got a=20
>>Compressor, a limiter, expander,<BR>>> all multi-band (3 bands). =
>>It's not=20
>>as versatile as Ozone, and<BR>>> doesn't have a stereo spread =
>>section (or=20
>>a reverb, but that<BR>>> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but =
>>it sounds=20
>>pretty good,<BR>>> I think - very smooth. The limiter is either =
>>totally=20
>>incapable<BR>>> of brickwaling, or I haven't figured out how to =
>>get it=20
>>there,<BR>>> because I've had to adjust the master level down to =
>>avoid=20
>>overs<BR>>> even when using this. It has a bunch of presets (not =
>>all of=20
>>the<BR>>> plugins do), some of which seem pretty useful as=20
>>starting<BR>>> points. I wouldn't want to run a Mastering house =
>>using=20
>>this<BR>>> application, so their choice of name may be stretching =
>>things=20
>>a<BR>>> bit, but if you want to strap something nice & smooth =
>>&=20
>>clear-<BR>>> sounding/uncolored across your Pulsar mixer's 2-buss, =
>>then=20
>>this<BR>>> would be the one to use).<BR>>><BR>>> =
>>*Vinco=20
>>Vintage Compressor (a one-trick pony dead-on (at least<BR>>> as =
>>far as I=20
>>can tell from what I've run through it so far)<BR>>> emulation of =
>>an 1176,=20
>>but cleaner - maybe a little<BR>>> less "attitude". I've never =
>>found the=20
>>'76's to be all that<BR>>> useful, personally, but for those who =
>>lust=20
>>after them, his&
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| Re: Final Verdict = Pulsar is going back [message #76356 is a reply to message #76351] |
Wed, 22 November 2006 22:47 |
DJ
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." target="_blank">4596a69a@linux...
>>> Neil,
>>>=20
>>> Great post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing.
> =
>>Now=20
>>> here are some more thoughts for Parisites.
>>>=20
>>> Seems all proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. =
>>Look at=20
>>> the limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run
> =
>>lots=20
>>> of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that =
>>respect,=20
>>> there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP processor =
>>counts.=20
>>> It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the PlanetZ forum that
> =
>>30=20
>>> DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious mixing. The same =
>>thing=20
>>> with the Soundscape system.
>>>=20
>>> Also, before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going
> =
>>to=20
>>> need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with =
>>PT and=20
>>> Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this platform.
> =
>>I've=20
>>> got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the stock =
>>plugins for=20
>>> this platform are as good or better than the stock EDS plugins that =
>>came=20
>>> with the Paris system with some being "much" better (have you tried =
>>the=20
>>> deesser?), and I'll wager that like the Skunkworks subsequent =
>>offerings that=20
>>> were DSP based, the third party plugs for this program may be =
>>excellent=20
>>> stuff..........but like Paris, and as you have already pointed out, =
>>the DSP=20
>>> resources are rather limited on the Home and Project cards so going =
>>Pro=20
>>> would be the ticket if this was going to be a large mixdown platform..
>>>=20
>>> I do agree with you that the implementation of this platform as =
>>relates to=20
>>> working in a native audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it =
>>either as=20
>>> a step backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC
> =
>>mode=20
>>> which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you
> =
>>sum=20
>>> in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in series" =
>>wherein=20
>>> with the VST plugins are required to be first in the series, similar
> =
>>to the=20
>>> Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario (the familiar).
>>>=20
>>> Another killer way to use this platform is as a *real time* FX =
>>processor=20
>>> interfacing with the Paris ADAT and S/Pdif I/O on the Paris inserts =
>>and=20
>>> auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an inordinate amount of DSP and it's got
> =
>>two=20
>>> modes. Again as you pointed out, it's an 1176 ringer, but it also does
> =
>>a=20
>>> nice opto. I will be looking at some of the third party plugins as =
>>well=20
>>> because I have heard some comparisons that were posted of the DAS EQ's
> =
>>and=20
>>> they were damned nice. The API sounded killer and the Pultec gave a =
>>good=20
>>> account of itself vs the UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" =
>>plugins on=20
>>> Paris auxes/inserts may be similar to having a "zero audible latency"
> =
>>UAD-1=20
>>> scenario.
>>>=20
>>> You and I had different expectations for this platform and mine have =
>>been=20
>>> met in spades. The way I use Scope works wonders for my particular =
>>Paris=20
>>> summing madness and it is the most stable and flexible native audio =
>>platform=20
>>> I've ever encountered. I was going more for I/O connectivity on a =
>>stable=20
>>> platform and the incredible (and to me, fast & intuitive) routing =
>>options=20
>>> than the plugins. the plugins and synths were icing on the cake for =
>>me. I=20
>>> really never expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party =
>>plugins=20
>>> are to my liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just =
>>might..=20
>>> In the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket =
>>IMO.=20
>>> The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope =
>>platform to=20
>>> be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have here that
> =
>>I was=20
>>> getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the price of=20
>>> admission.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> ;o)
>>>=20
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45952a49$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, this looks like the same thing as their "Mix & Master
>>>> Pack", which I also have... this is another problem with the
>>>> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of different names for
>>>> every product, and it's confusing (can't help their marketing
>>>> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to rename their
>>>> entire product line, but never dropped the old names, either.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the exact same thing as what
>>>> they now call their Mix & Master Pack, and IMO, YMMV, etc, some
>>>> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em are total crap... or more
>>>> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, some don't seem to
>>>> do much of anything at all and so you have to wonder: "why
>>>> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of the
>>>> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone mentioned that
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| Re: Final Verdict = Pulsar is going back [message #76371 is a reply to message #76356] |
Thu, 23 November 2006 08:53 |
Neil
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