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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79873 is a reply to message #79868] |
Sat, 10 February 2007 23:53   |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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yself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>me
>>right now.
>>
>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the Neve
>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>
>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>
>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>
>>James
>www.myspace.com/Philaiken
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Sure thang, though I haven't updated it in some time.
>
>http://www.myspace.com/seqtech
>
>AA
>
>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>news:4603f481$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, so my daughter finally got me to get
>> a myspace.com page up. Anybody else got
>> one, too??
>>
>> www.myspace.com/johnmacy
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That all sounds great Dimitrios. Specially the video!
Really, I think we can accomplish this using the newsgroup.
I'll be asking all kinds of questions when I get stumped.=20
Maybe a few pics from your beaches in Greece would be=20
a nice addition.
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr> wrote in message =
news:46054958$1@linux...
He nice idea !!
Come on Aaron take a week here in Greece, I am 20 minutes away from =
great
beaches ! for summer vacation.
I have a very nice studio too...
Regarding senderella Tom,
I don't know why your chainer does not save !!
I have made many presets with chainer.
It loads as vst from within Paris and saves as normal vst Paris driven =
plugin
with save and then scroll down copy to library...
This is extremely stable no Paris crshes and yes senderella is ONLY =
vst !
No dx here only vst.
I remember some old testings but now we have faderworks and more =
stable Paris
with XP by disabling DX !
I am sure DX is causing many problems to Paris.
I am making a project default with 64 chainer instances with 8 =
senderella
auxes inside chainer and a faderworks instance with latency =
compensation
for all 4 eds cards !
You know 14 samples from card1 to 2 and two samples thereafter, so =
when O
load a new project all 4 eds cards are alligned , faderworks is there =
to
delay compensate any further plugins and have 8 senderella auxes for =
DX auxing
!
I can send the preset default (I don't know if it opens with Paris if =
you
don't have 4 cards).
Tom ask me what you want to take you thee where I am...
This also applies to the rest of you !
It is not that difficult !
If you make a default project with all applied then you can work as if =
you
were with a Paris 4 version !
]Regards,
Dimitrios
Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>Whew! A lot of information to wrap my brain around. I think it is =
time
>for Paris DVD - Part 2, starring Dimitrios. Hey Aaron! Up for a week
>in Greece?
>
>- Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>On 25 Mar 2007 01:17:27 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi,
>>I am glad there are 5-6 Paris users willing to test and work along =
with
senderella
>>and Paris and as a matter of fact with making Paris a better daw...
>>I wish though that all yiou Paris users and posters here would jump =
on
because
>>this would make things better for all of us...
>>
>>So Senderella really works great !
>>
>>FIRST OF ALL you have to put a line in your Paris cfg :
>>EDSTransfer=3D8,8
>>Then...
>>1) If you work 16bit file you need a 16bit empty track , you can =
make this
>>just by recording nothing for say 6 minutes and then name it =
16bit_emptyfile.
>>If you work 24 bit then you need a 24 bit empty file.
>>NOTE that you must send 16bit files over to an empty 16bit file and =
24bit
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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79878 is a reply to message #79873] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 06:50 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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t;BR>>>Means=20
you can have a DX reverb as aux for all your eds cards =
!!<BR>>>You just=20
need to open the return senderella (on a 4 card Paris=20
system)<BR>on<BR>>>track 64 (for stereo scroll down) and then by =
sending=20
senderella from any<BR>>>remaining 64 Paris tracks to the track =
64 the=20
DX put on native slot on<BR>this<BR>>>track will become your DX =
reverb=20
return.<BR>>><BR>>>5) Now for stereo.<BR>>>There are =
two=20
ways of doing it with one having a risk crash Paris DUE =
to<BR>>>Paris=20
bug...<BR>>>This is that we know that you don't put on adjusted =
tracks=20
mono native<BR>effects<BR>>>and stereo at the same =
time.<BR>>>I=20
have NOT tested this bug I managed to make it work but anyway I am=20
pointing<BR>>>this out.<BR>>>The second and most relieble =
method=20
is by using the chainer plugin as your<BR>>>vst host for=20
senderella.<BR>>>On the above methods you can use THE FREE=20
effectschainer which works just<BR>>>fine.<BR>>>On stereo =
though=20
Chainer is a truly amazing thing.<BR>>>It can have ten pages of =
vst=20
plugins with dry wet AND panpot !!<BR>>>So by using two =
senderella auxes=20
(1 and 2) you just open a stereo instance<BR>>>of Chainer say on =
tracks=20
31 and 32 (two eds card system) and then on page<BR>>>1 of =
chainer open=20
senderella aux 1 turning panpot all to the left and on<BR>>>page =
two=20
senderella aux 2 turning panpot all to the right.<BR>>>So now by =
just=20
opening senderella 1 and 2 on any audio track ( you =
should<BR>>>have=20
both open to have stereo) you can by turning the volume on aux1=20
send<BR>>>to the left of your native aux effect and bu turning =
the aux2=20
(senderella<BR>>>channel 2) sending to the right of the native =
aux=20
effect return.<BR>>>This way you can send it anywhere on a =
stereo=20
panorama !!<BR>>><BR>>>This does not sound peculiar =
strange or=20
difficult , it is just as if you<BR>>>use two mono aux sends on =
any=20
console although you make some extra=20
moves<BR>>>here...<BR>>><BR >>>As you understand you =
don't=20
need to buy anything to have your Paris =
DX<BR>auxes.<BR>>>Senderella is=20
free as Effectschainer is free too.<BR>>>But if you want true =
stereo=20
without risking any Paris bug thing I recommend<BR>>>the chainer =
(have I=20
done this before ??)<BR>>><BR>>>I will try to find some =
other free=20
way to have stereo aux using only =
free<BR>>>plugins.<BR>>>One=20
method coming to mind is by using two mono DX effects on stereo=20
senderella<BR>>>return , for instance a DX reverb, opening the =
same=20
reverb on track 31<BR>and<BR>>>same on track 32.<BR>>>Now =
by just=20
panpot controlling the paris audio tracks (full left 31=20
and<BR>full<BR>>>right 32) you can have a quick stereo =
senderella aux=20
system with free plugz<BR>>>!<BR>>><BR>>>I will need =
your=20
input here with you trying it too because I feel=20
bored<BR>being<BR>>>alone on this ride=20
=
!<BR>>><BR>>>Regards,<BR>>>Dimitrios <BR>><BR></BLOCK=
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work on one channel in the aux. When assigned to another channel, it mutes
that channel, and the meter always stays on full. Also, my native effects
are missing.
JoeHey Tom,
The beaches here are some of the best wherever !!
We can collaborate ,you can bring some of your clients doing some recordings/mixing
and doing vacation also !
In price vacation will be included ! hehe...
I have a very good sounding and looking control room and a nice recrding
room , Paris , Focusrite isa 220 two channels, Avalon M5, Demeter stereo
tube preamp, great microphones...
Ok I got carried away with this...
Regarding senderella I need your tests too because there are parts that I
may not have tghought and things can get better !
One nice thing with faderworks is that all my 64 Paris channels are now phase
alligned !!
I like that !!
Cheers,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>That all sounds great Dimitrios. Specially the video!
>
>Really, I think we can accomplish this using the newsgroup.
>I'll be asking all kinds of questions when I get stumped.=20
>Maybe a few pics from your beaches in Greece would be=20
>a nice addition.
>Tom
>
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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79880 is a reply to message #79878] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 08:52 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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/>
=
>plugin
> with save and then scroll down copy to library...
> This is extremely stable no Paris crshes and yes senderella is ONLY =
>vst !
> No dx here only vst.
> I remember some old testings but now we have faderworks and more =
>stable Paris
> with XP by disabling DX !
> I am sure DX is causing many problems to Paris.
> I am making a project default with 64 chainer instances with 8 =
>senderella
> auxes inside chainer and a faderworks instance with latency =
>compensation
> for all 4 eds cards !
> You know 14 samples from card1 to 2 and two samples thereafter, so =
>when O
> load a new project all 4 eds cards are alligned , faderworks is there
=
>to
> delay compensate any further plugins and have 8 senderella auxes for =
>DX auxing
> !
> I can send the preset default (I don't know if it opens with Paris if
=
>you
> don't have 4 cards).
> Tom ask me what you want to take you thee where I am...
> This also applies to the rest of you !
> It is not that difficult !
> If you make a default project with all applied then you can work as if
=
>you
> were with a Paris 4 version !
> ]Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Whew! A lot of information to wrap my brain around. I think it is =
>time
> >for Paris DVD - Part 2, starring Dimitrios. Hey Aaron! Up for a week
> >in Greece?
> >
> >- Paul Artola
> > Ellicott City, Maryland
> >
> >On 25 Mar 2007 01:17:27 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>I am glad there are 5-6 Paris users willing to test and work along =
>with
> senderella
> >>and Paris and as a matter of fact with making Paris a better daw...
> >>I wish though that all yiou Paris users and posters here would jump
=
>on
> because
> >>this would make things better for all of us...
> >>
> >>So Senderella really works great !
> >>
> >>FIRST OF ALL you have to put a line in your Paris cfg :
> >>EDSTransfer=3D8,8
> >>Then...
> >>1) If you work 16bit file you need a 16bit empty track , you can =
>make this
> >>just by recording nothing for say 6 minutes and then name it =
>16bit_emptyfile.
> >>If you work 24 bit then you need a 24 bit empty file.
> >>NOTE that you must send 16bit files over to an empty 16bit file and
=
>24bit
> >>to an empty 24bits.
> >>OK you may ask what is this empty thing needed ?
> >>Well this is for SUMMING the senderella sends ,this means that =
>wherever
> you
> >>put the senderella as a RETURN (SUMMING AUX) there you have to put =
>an empty
> >>file.
> >>
> >>2)Senderella has a redirect option which means you can eather let =
>the sending
> >>track to continue sounding on main mix OR muting it by redirecting,
=
>so
> that
> >>it only goes to senderella return.
> >>
> >>3) You can have 64 auxes !
> >>
> >>4) This is submix crossable.
> >>Means you can have a DX reverb as aux for all your eds cards !!
> >>You just need to open the return senderella (on a 4 card Paris =
>system)
> on
> >>track 64 (for stereo scroll down) and then by sending senderella =
>from any
> >>remaining 64 Paris tracks to the track 64 the DX put on native slot
=
>on
> this
> >>track will become your DX reverb return.
> >>
> >>5) Now for stereo.
> >>There are two ways of doing it with one having a risk crash Paris =
>DUE to
> >>Paris bug...
> >>This is that we know that you don't put on adjusted tracks mono =
>native
> effects
> >>and stereo at the same time.
> >>I have NOT tested this bug I managed to make it work but anyway I am
=
>pointing
> >>this out.
> >>The second and most relieble method is by using the chainer plugin =
>as your
> >>vst host for senderella.
> >>On the above methods you can use THE FREE effectschainer which works
=
>just
> >>fine.
> >>On stereo though Chainer is a truly amazing thing.
> >>It can have ten pages of vst plugins with dry wet AND panpot !!
> >>So by using two senderella auxes (1 and 2) you just open a stereo =
>instance
> >>of Chainer say on tracks 31 and 32 (two eds card system) and then on
=
>page
> >>1 of chainer open senderella aux 1 turning panpot all to the left =
>and on
> >>page two senderella aux 2 turning panpot all to the right.
> >>So now by just opening senderella 1 and 2 on any audio track ( you =
>should
> >>have both open to have stereo) you can by turning the volume on aux1
=
>send
> >>to the left of your native aux effect and bu turning the aux2 =
>(senderella
> >>channel 2) sending to the right of the native aux effect return.
> >>This way you can send it anywhere on a stereo panorama !!
> >>
> >>This does not sound peculiar strange or difficult , it is just as if
=
>you
> >>use two mono aux sends on any console although you make some extra =
>moves
> >>here...
> >>
> >>As you understand you don't need to buy anything to have your Paris
=
>DX
> auxes.
> >>Senderella is free as Effectschainer is free too.
> >>But if you want true stereo without risking any Paris bug thing I =
>recommend
> >>the chainer (have I done this before ??)
> >>
> >>I will try to find some other free way to have stereo aux using only
=
>free
> >>plugins.
> >>One method coming to mind is by using two mono DX effects on stereo
=
>senderella
> >>return , for instance a DX reverb, opening the same reverb on track
=
>31
> and
> >>same on track 32.
> >>Now by just panpot controlling the paris audio tracks (full left 31
=
>and
> full
> >>right 32) you can have a quick stereo senderella aux system with =
>free plugz
> >>!
> >>
> >>I will need your input here with you trying it too because I feel =
>bored
> being
> >>alone on this ride !
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Dimitrios
> >
>
>
>
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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79883 is a reply to message #79880] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 09:09 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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get="_blank">musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr</A>>=
> wrote=20
> in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:46054958$1@linux">news:46054958$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>He
=
>nice=20
> idea !!<BR>Come on Aaron take a week here in Greece, I am 20 minutes =
>away from=20
> great<BR>beaches ! for summer vacation.<BR>I have a very nice studio=20
> too...<BR><BR>Regarding senderella Tom,<BR>I don't know why your =
>chainer does=20
> not save !!<BR>I have made many presets with chainer.<BR>It loads as =
>vst from=20
> within Paris and saves as normal vst Paris driven plugin<BR>with save
=
>and then=20
> scroll down copy to library...<BR>This is extremely stable no Paris =
>crshes and=20
> yes senderella is ONLY vst !<BR>No dx here only vst.<BR>I remember =
>some old=20
> testings but now we have faderworks and more stable Paris<BR>with XP =
>by=20
> disabling DX !<BR>I am sure DX is causing many problems to =
>Paris.<BR>I=20
> am making a project default with 64 chainer instances with 8=20
> senderella<BR>auxes inside chainer and a faderworks instance with =
>latency=20
> compensation<BR>for all 4 eds cards !<BR>You know 14 samples from =
>card1 to 2=20
> and two samples thereafter, so when O<BR>load a new project all 4 eds
=
>cards=20
> are alligned , faderworks is there to<BR>delay compensate any further
=
>plugins=20
> and have 8 senderella auxes for DX auxing<BR>!<BR>I can send the =
>preset=20
> default (I don't know if it opens with Paris if you<BR>don't have 4=20
> cards).<BR>Tom ask me what you want to take you thee where I =
>am...<BR>This=20
> also applies to the rest of you !<BR>It is not that difficult !<BR>If
=
>you make=20
> a default project with all applied then you can work as if you<BR>were
=
>with a=20
> Paris 4 version !<BR>]Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>Paul Artola <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:artola@comcast.net">artola@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>Whew! A lot of information to wrap my brain around. I =
>think it=20
> is time<BR>>for Paris DVD - Part 2, starring Dimitrios. Hey Aaron! =
>Up for a=20
> week<BR>>in Greece?<BR>><BR>>- Paul Artola<BR>> =
>Ellicott=20
> City, Maryland<BR>><BR>>On 25 Mar 2007 01:17:27 +1000, =
>"Dimitrios"=20
> <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr">musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr</A>>=
><BR>>wrote:<BR>><BR>>><BR>>>Hi,<BR>>>I=20
> am glad there are 5-6 Paris users willing to test and work along=20
> with<BR>senderella<BR>>>and Paris and as a matter of fact with =
>making=20
> Paris a better daw...<BR>>>I wish though that all yiou Paris =
>users and=20
> posters here would jump on<BR>because<BR>>>this would make =
>things better=20
> for all of us...<BR>>><BR>>>So Senderella really works =
>great=20
> !<BR>>><BR>>>FIRST OF ALL you have to put a line in your =
>Paris cfg=20
> :<BR>>>EDSTransfer=3D8,8<BR>>>Then...<BR>>>1) If you =
>work=20
> 16bit file you need a 16bit empty track , you can make =
>this<BR>>&
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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79886 is a reply to message #79873] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 09:28 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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rent situation, didn't charge me for the work
they had already done and had the new cables out the door that afternoon.
Highly recommended.
info@nyproaudiocables.com
;o)
Deej
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:46056807$1@linux...
>
> Guys, I recently added some Mogami mic cable to my studio and dare I say,
> I notice a significant sound differnce in the quality of recordings. Have
> yet to cut any vocals, but cut some guitar tracks over the last couple of
> days that I am very pleased with. I'll keep monitoring things, but so far,
> I really like waht I'm hearing....more clarity...warmth, etc.
>
> Tyrone"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic t
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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79889 is a reply to message #79880] |
Sun, 11 February 2007 12:50 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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t you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>Neil, You hit the nail on the head in describing my situation. It isn't real
often my client comes to the studio but when they do, the first thing that
happens is they see a 10 ft console and there's a gasp and then they all
say the same thing as if they all belong to a club and were told at the last
meeting to say "Man, look at all them buttons, what do you do with all that?"
half the stuff in the console I rarely use anymore, but who wants to have
a big square hole in there console?
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
>
>Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
>they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
>worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
>console!
>
>The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
>fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
>than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
>you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
>flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
>one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
>through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
>to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
>drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
>have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
>you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
>before you hit the convertors.
>IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
>well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
>input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
>bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
>impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
>coming by to see the place.
>
>Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
>enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
>off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
>keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
>
>Neil
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
>what
>>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
>as
>>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They
usually
>>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>>FWIW
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>>an
>>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>>
>>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>Yep...
David.
Tyrone Corbett wrote:
> Guys, I recently added some Mog
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------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C76E26.C5E60FF0--John,
Can the paris notes still be downloaded? The zip extension no longer works.
Thanks,
EdnaGood points Neil..
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
>
>Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
>they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
>worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
>console!
>
>The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
>fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
>than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
>you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
>flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
>one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
>through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
>to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
>drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
>have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
>you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
>before you hit the convertors.
>IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
>well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
>input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
>bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
>impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
>coming by to see the place.
>
>Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
>enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
>off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
>keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
>
>Neil
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
>what
>>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
>as
>>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They
usually
>>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>>FWIW
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>>an
>>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>>
>>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>D975XBX2 Intel. brand new and dead. Thanks newegg! grrrrrr Now I have
to spend a freaking week returning it, waiting for them to receive it, 3
days processing and then sending out the new one again. shit !.....Hmmm..... ....been away too long to understand a damn shit about what's
happening here with DJ's brain.... ...hmmm...
Erlilo
"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:460081b5@linux...
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.org> wrote in message news:460056f0$1@linux...
>> Doug! Who are you speaking to here?
>
> I thought it was obvious that I was "forcing" DJ to read more... :-)
>
> Doug (waiting for his brain to explode...)
>If you guys are all serious about this, let's poll the group and figure out
expenses for a trip like that and figure out if it's doable
I'd love to see Greece and Pick D's brain while I'm there :)
AA
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr> wrote in message
news:46054958$1@linux...
>
> He nice idea !!
> Come on Aaron take a week here in Greece, I am 20 minutes away from great
> beaches ! for summer vacation.
> I have a very nice studio too...
>
> Regarding senderella Tom,
> I don't know why your chainer does not save !!
> I have made many presets with chainer.
> It loads as vst from within Paris and saves as normal vst Paris driven
> plugin
> with save and then scroll down copy to library...
> This is extremely stable no Paris crshes and yes senderella is ONLY vst !
> No dx here only vst.
> I remember some old testings but now we have faderworks and more stable
> Paris
> with XP by disabling DX !
> I am sure DX is causing m
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>>>I will need your input here with you trying it too because I feel bored
> being
>>>alone on this ride !
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>
>I'll get them to you in the next day or so and i'll try to fix the link too.
John
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>John,
>Can the paris notes still be downloaded? The zip extension no longer works.
>Thanks,
>Edna
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr> wrote:
>I will need your input here with you trying it too because I feel bored
being
>alone on this ride !
>
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
Dimitrios,
I have been following this closely. I still use Paris during mixing primarily
as a mix only bus, but between FaderWorks and Senderella, I may have to reconsider
Paris as a primary mix DAW.
I will be out of state for the next two weeks, but when I get back I will
jump in and help with some tests.
GeneThanks and sorry about your MB!
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4605c2b7$1@linux...
>
> I'll get them to you in the next day or so and i'll try to fix the link
too.
> John
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >John,
> >Can the paris notes still be downloaded? The zip extension no longer
works.
> >Thanks,
> >Edna
> >
> >
>Gene, how are you using Senderella? I have not found a Mac O/S 9 version.
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr> wrote:
>
>>I will need your input here with you trying it too because I feel bored
>being
>>alone on this ride !
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>
>Dimitrios,
>I have been following this closely. I still use Paris during mixing primarily
>as a mix only bus, but between FaderWorks and Senderella, I may have to
reconsider
>Paris as a primary mix DAW.
>I will be out of state for the next two weeks, but when I get back I will
>jump in and help with some tests.
>Gene
>Not as rockin' as my usual stuff, but hopefully you'll like it
nonetheless:
http://www.saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/Drown-RoughMix.mp3
Enjoy!
Neil"Phil Aiken" <sdfg@fsd.fdf> wrote:
>
>
>www.myspace.com/Philaiken
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Sure thang, though I haven't updated it in some time.
>>
>>http://www.myspace.com/seqtech
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>>news:4603f481$1@linux...
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---=_linux4606467d--Hi Aaron,
Ok I vote for it !
Dimitrios
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>If you guys are all serious about this, let's poll the group and figure
out
>expenses for a trip like that and figure out if it's doable
>I'd love to see Greece and Pick D's brain while I'm there :)
>
>AA
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr> wrote in message
>news:46054958$1@linux...
>>
>> He nice idea !!
>> Come on Aaron take a week here in Greece, I am 20 minutes away from great
>> beaches ! for summer vacation.
>> I have a very nice studio too...
>>
>> Regarding senderella Tom,
>> I don't know why your chainer does not save !!
>> I have made many presets with chainer.
>> It loads as vst from within Paris and saves as normal vst Paris driven
>> plugin
>> with save and then scroll down copy to library...
>> This is extremely stable no Paris crshes and yes senderella is ONLY vst
!
>> No dx here only vst.
>> I remember some old testings but now we have faderworks and more stable
>> Paris
>> with XP by disabling DX !
>> I am sure DX is causing many problems to Paris.
>> I am making a project default with 64 chainer instances with 8 senderella
>> auxes inside chainer and a faderworks instance with latency compensation
>> for all 4 eds cards !
>> You know 14 samples from card1 to 2 and two samples thereafter, so when
O
>> load a new project all 4 eds cards are alligned , faderworks is there
to
>> delay compensate any further plugins and have 8 senderella auxes for DX
>> auxing
>> !
>> I can send the preset default (I don't know if it opens with Paris if
you
>> don't have 4 cards).
>> Tom ask me what you want to take you thee where I am...
>> This also applies to the rest of you !
>> It is not that difficult !
>> If you make a default project with all applied then you can work as if
you
>> were with a Paris 4 version !
>> ]Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Whew! A lot of information to wrap my brain around. I think it is time
>>>for Paris DVD - Part 2, starring Dimitrios. Hey Aaron! Up for a week
>>>in Greece?
>>>
>>>- Paul Artola
>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>
>>>On 25 Mar 2007 01:17:27 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>I am glad there are 5-6 Paris users willing to test and work along with
>> senderella
>>>>and Paris and as a matter of fact with making Paris a better daw...
>>>>I wish though that all yiou Paris users and posters here would jump on
>> because
>>>>this would make things better for all of us...
>>>>
>>>>So Senderella really works great !
>>>>
>>>>FIRST OF ALL you have to put a line in your Paris cfg :
>>>>EDSTransfer=8,8
>>>>Then...
>>>>1) If you work 16bit file you need a 16bit empty track , you can make
>>>>this
>>>>just by recording nothing for say 6 minutes and then name it
>>>>16bit_emptyfile.
>>>>If you work 24 bit then you need a 24 bit empty file.
>>>>NOTE that you must send 16bit files over to an empty 16bit file and 24bit
>>>>to an empty 24bits.
>>>>OK you may ask what is this empty thing needed ?
>>>>Well this is for SUMMING the senderella sends ,this means that wherever
>> you
>>>>put the senderella as a RETURN (SUMMING AUX) there you have to put an
>>>>empty
>>>>file.
>>>>
>>>>2)Senderella has a redirect option which means you can eather let the
>>>>sending
>>>>track to continue sounding on main mix OR muting it by redirecting, so
>> that
>>>>it only goes to senderella return.
>>>>
>>>>3) You can have 64 auxes !
>>>>
>>>>4) This is submix crossable.
>>>>Means you can have a DX reverb as aux for all your eds cards !!
>>>>You just need to open the return senderella (on a 4 card Paris system)
>> on
>>>>track 64 (for stereo scroll down) and then by sending senderella from
any
>>>>remaining 64 Paris tracks to the track 64 the DX put on native slot on
>> this
>>>>track will become your DX reverb return.
>>>>
>>>>5) Now for stereo.
>>>>There are two ways of doing it with one having a risk crash Paris DUE
to
>>>>Paris bug...
>>>>This is that we know that you don't put on adjusted tracks mono native
>> effects
>>>>and stereo at the same time.
>>>>I have NOT tested this bug I managed to make it work but anyway I am
>>>>pointing
>>>>this out.
>>>>The second and most relieble method is by using the chainer plugin as
>>>>your
>>>>vst host for senderella.
>>>>On the above methods you can use THE FREE effectschainer which works
just
>>>>fine.
>>>>On stereo though Chainer is a truly amazing thing.
>>>>It can have ten pages of vst plugins with dry wet AND panpot !!
>>>>So by using two senderella auxes (1 and 2) you just open a stereo
>>>>instance
>>>>of Chainer say on tracks 31 and 32 (two eds card system) and then on
page
>>>>1 of chainer open senderella aux 1 turning panpot all to the left and
on
>>>>page two senderella aux 2 turning panpot all to the right.
>>>>So now by just opening senderella 1 and 2 on any audio track ( you should
>>>>have both open to have stereo) you can by turning the volume on aux1
send
>>>>to the left of your native aux effect and bu turning the aux2 (senderella
>>>>channel 2) sending to the right of the native aux effect return.
>>>>This way you can send it anywhere on a stereo panorama !!
>>>>
>>>>This does not sound peculiar strange or difficult , it is just as if
you
>>>>use two mono aux sends on any console although you make some extra moves
>>>>here...
>>>>
>>>>As you understand you don't need to buy anything to have your Paris DX
>> auxes.
>>>>Senderella is free as Effectschainer is free too.
>>>>But if you want true stereo without risking any Paris bug thing I
>>>>recommend
>>>>the chainer (have I done this before ??)
>>>>
>>>>I will try to find some other free way to have stereo aux using only
free
>>>>plugins.
>>>>One method coming to mind is by using two mono DX effects on stereo
>>>>senderella
>>>>return , for instance a DX reverb, opening the same reverb on track 31
>> and
>>>>same on track 32.
>>>>Now by just panpot controlling the paris audio tracks (full left 31 and
>> full
>>>>right 32) you can have a quick stereo senderella aux system with free
>>>>plugz
>>>>!
>>>>
>>>>I will need your input here with you trying it too because I feel bored
>> being
>>>>alone on this ride !
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>
>
>Sadly, mistakes happen. Newegg will bend over backwards getting you a working
part as fast as they can. They're the best at that. I order from them constantly,
as my bills show.
TCB
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>D975XBX2 Intel. brand new and dead. Thanks newegg! grrrrrr Now I have
>to spend a freaking week returning it, waiting for them to receive it, 3
>days processing and then sending out the new one again. shit !Right now I'm feeling like the one bent over. I would like to call them tomorrow
and have them overnight a new board for tuesday and I will overnight this
board back to them tomorrow so they will have it tuesday. I don't think
they will do this. Their site says once they receive my board they will
ship a new one in 2 to 3 days. That puts me down for a week instead of 1
day.
I also wanted to return this board for refund DOA and buy a new one overnighted
but they won't do this either.
Do you know some other way to get me up on tuesday? ThanksI have a few DVD's of live performances, and I'd like to take a couple of
clips and add them to my website or Youtube.
Anybody have any reccomendations for software that will allow me to do this?
OK...anybody have any cheaper suggestions?
PC or mac are OK....As I have mentioned here a bit before, I've been in gear accumulation mode
for the upcoming Mold Monkies recordings. I now have a nice selection of
reasonably priced but pretty nice microphones. Two channels of really superior
preamps, six channels of pretty good preamps, and 16 channels of Mackie.
Of course most of this will be barely used save when tracking drums, where
I think we'll be using twelve mics. 2x overheads, kick, top and bottoms snare,
spot mics on three toms, hi hat, a knee high mic a few feet off the kit,
and a stereo pair in the room. The problem now is that the studio has a Presonus
Firebox and a MOTU 828. The studio computer is a Mac, and I've done some
testing and using the two devices together
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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79936 is a reply to message #79932] |
Mon, 12 February 2007 09:12 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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k at writing $2k checks.
So, to make a short story very long, are there other options for getting
16 really good line level converters into a computer for recording a a full
drum kit? And this has to be a no hassle, works all the time, we don't wind
up pushing tracks around a couple of samples to compensate for different
latency from different hardware.
And yes, one option would be another PARIS system for tracking, and then
I would fly the tracks over to my SX rig via ADAT, which I've been thinking
about doing, but I'm willing to hear suggestions from anyone.
Thanks,
TCBI've never done this exactly, but I bet if you call them and explain the situation
they will overnight you a new board on Monday. Then might charge you for
it and refund for the first board after they get the return (when is irritating,
but not unreasonable). But the big thing is to call them and explain the
situation, they really are about as good as it gets in the retail computer
racket. You should try getting similar service from Tiger Direct or Fry's.
Ring then and explain the situation, and in my experience they'll make things
happen.
TCB
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Right now I'm feeling like the one bent over. I would like to call them
tomorrow
>and have them overnight a new board for tuesday and I will overnight this
>board back to them tomorrow so they will have it tuesday. I don't think
>they will do this. Their site says once they receive my board they will
>ship a new one in 2 to 3 days. That puts me down for a week instead of
1
>day.
>
>I also wanted to return this board for refund DOA and buy a new one overnighted
>but they won't do this either.
>
>Do you know some other way to get me up on tuesday? ThanksI'm good for a $100, but I'll want candid photos
DOn
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetr.gr> wrote in message news:460646db$1@linux...
>
> Hi Aaron,
> Ok I vote for it !
> Dimitrios
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>If you guys are all serious about this, let's poll the group and figure
> out
>>expenses for a trip like that and figure out if it's doable
>>I'd love to see Greece and Pick D's brain while I'm there :)
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr> wrote in message
>>news:46054958$1@linux...
>>>
>>> He nice idea !!
>>> Come on Aaron take a week here in Greece, I am 20 minutes away from
>>> great
>>> beaches ! for summer vacation.
>>> I have a very nice studio too...
>>>
>>> Regarding senderella Tom,
>>> I don't know why your chainer does not save !!
>>> I have made many presets with chainer.
>>> It loads as vst from within Paris and saves as normal vst Paris driven
>
>>> plugin
>>> with save and then scroll down copy to library...
>>> This is extremely stable no Paris crshes and yes senderella is ONLY vst
> !
>>> No dx here only vst.
>>> I remember some old testings but now we have faderworks and more stable
>
>>> Paris
>>> with XP by disabling DX !
>>> I am sure DX is causing many problems to Paris.
>>> I am making a project default with 64 chainer instances with 8
>>> senderella
>>> auxes inside chainer and a faderworks instance with latency compensation
>>> for all 4 eds cards !
>>> You know 14 samples from card1 to 2 and two samples thereafter, so when
> O
>>> load a new project all 4 eds cards are alligned , faderworks is there
> to
>>> delay compensate any further plugins and have 8 senderella auxes for DX
>
>>> auxing
>>> !
>>> I can send the preset default (I don't know if it opens with Paris if
> you
>>> don't have 4 cards).
>>> Tom ask me what you want to take you thee where I am...
>>> This also applies to the rest of you !
>>> It is not that difficult !
>>> If you make a default project with all applied then you can work as if
> you
>>> were with a Paris 4 version !
>>> ]Regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Whew! A lot of information to wrap my brain around. I think it is time
>>>>for Paris DVD - Part 2, starring Dimitrios. Hey Aaron! Up for a week
>>>>in Greece?
>>>>
>>>>- Paul Artola
>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>>
>>>>On 25 Mar 2007 01:17:27 +1000, "Dimitrios" <musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>I am glad there are 5-6 Paris users willing to test and work along with
>>> senderella
>>>>>and Paris and as a matter of fact with making Paris a better daw...
>>>>>I wish though that all yiou Paris users and posters here would jump on
>>> because
>>>>>this would make things better for all of us...
>>>>>
>>>>>So Senderella really works great !
>>>>>
>>>>>FIRST OF ALL you have to put a line in your Paris cfg :
>>>>>EDSTransfer=8,8
>>>>>Then...
>>>>>1) If you work 16bit file you need a 16bit empty track , you can make
>
>>>>>this
>>>>>just by recording nothing for say 6 minutes and then name it
>>>>>16bit_emptyfile.
>>>>>If you work 24 bit then you need a 24 bit empty file.
>>>>>NOTE that you must send 16bit files over to an empty 16bit file and
>>>>>24bit
>>>>>to an empty 24bits.
>>>>>OK you may ask what is this empty thing needed ?
>>>>>Well this is for SUMMING the senderella sends ,this means that wherever
>>> you
>>>>>put the senderella as a RETURN (SUMMING AUX) there you have to put an
>
>>>>>empty
>>>>>file.
>>>>>
>>>>>2)Senderella has a redirect option which means you can eather let the
>
>>>>>sending
>>>>>track to continue sounding on main mix OR muting it by redirecting, so
>>> that
>>>>>it only goes to senderella return.
>>>>>
>>>>>3) You can have 64 auxes !
>>>>>
>>>>>4) This is submix crossable.
>>>>>Means you can have a DX reverb as aux for all your eds cards !!
>>>>>You just need to open the return senderella (on a 4 card Paris system)
>>> on
>>>>>track 64 (for stereo scroll down) and then by sending senderella from
> any
>>>>>remaining 64 Paris tracks to the track 64 the DX put on native slot on
>>> this
>>>>>track will become your DX reverb return.
>>>>>
>>>>>5) Now for stereo.
>>>>>There are two ways of doing it with one having a risk crash Paris DUE
> to
>>>>>Paris bug...
>>>>>This is that we know that you don't put on adjusted tracks mono native
>>> effects
>>>>>and stereo at the same time.
>>>>>I have NOT tested this bug I managed to make it work but anyway I am
>
>>>>>pointing
>>>>>this out.
>>>>>The second and most
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| Re: 96k????...harumph!!! [message #79938 is a reply to message #79909] |
Mon, 12 February 2007 10:27 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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t;>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Thanks Dimtirios-
My Paris rig is at another location currently, but I will try some of this
out
when I get to it. Thanks for all your energy! It is much appreciated.
Ted
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr> wrote:
>
>
>
>Hi,
>Senderella version 1.08 is macos too..
>I am uploading for all of you
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Gene, how are you using Senderella? I have not found a Mac O/S 9 version.
>>
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@NOSPotenet.>@.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I will need your input here with you trying it too because I feel bored
>>>being
>>>>alone on this ride !
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>Dimitrios,
>>>I have been following this closely. I still use Paris during mixing primarily
>>>as a mix only bus, but between FaderWorks and Senderella, I may have to
>>reconsider
>>>Paris as a primary mix DAW.
>>>I will be out of state for the next two weeks, but when I get back I will
>>>jump in and help with some tests.
>>>Gene
>>>
>>
>This is a very good post, thanks.
T
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>True, in that sector of biz - jingle & ad agency clients - no
>one cares about gear, they care about end product... let's face
>it, though - most musicians are not that way... it's the reason
>an Epiphone Les Paul Standard plays just as good and has just as
>good of workmanship as a Gibson Les Paul Standard, but costs
>about a fourth as much... Gibson is the aspiration brand, Epi
>isn't.
>
>So, yes, musicians care about the sound quality of the product
>(sometimes LOL), but they also are more susceptible to being
>brand-sensitive. Like I've said before, if you've got the
>engineering chops, you can do a damn good recording with a
>bunch of SM-57's & a Peavey console, but that isn't the point...
>the point is this: if you choose to go with a console, it's not
>just a sonic tool, it becomes the trademark of your studio.
>
>Think about it... what do most people "oooh & ahh" about when
>they walk into a room for the first time? Is it your $40k's
>worth of vintage mic pres & compressors? No, it's the effen
>console!
>
>The console helps sell your studio, bottom line. Or, it can in
>fact, hinder that process. And there's more to what I'm saying
>than just the "brand hype" factor - Consider the fact that if
>you convert from being a rack-based studio (with different
>flavors of stand-alone mics pres, etc) to a console-based
>one, then a lot of the time you end up with EVERYTHING running
>through that console... your cues, your playback, your mix outs
>to the Alesis Masterlink (or whatever you're using), that kick
>drum going through the Neve-alike mic pre that you wouldn't
>have EQ'ed before you had the desk, but now you have it so
>you'll patch into channel 22's line-in & boost a little 4k
>before you hit the convertors.
>IOW, it really DOES become your sonic signature, so you may as
>well get a damn good one that not only sounds great from
>input to playback, but will also earn it's keep by helping to
>bring you business even when it's just sitting there looking
>impressive, flying it's brand flag for the potential clients
>coming by to see the place.
>
>Otherwise if you've got killer mic pres & outboard in sufficient
>enough quantities to get the jobs done, you're probably better
>off getting a small, inexpensive mixer just for monitoring &
>keeping if off to the side so it's not the centerpiece.
>
>Neil
>
>
> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>In my biz, I would not loose a client over these issues. They don't know
>what
>>neumann is, or pro tools, or any of that stuff and they don't really care.
>>They just want the jingle I produce to bring them more business. As far
>as
>>the bands, if you have a neumann in the studio and pro tools L.E. They
usually
>>just say "Oh! you have pro tools and neumann mics... cool, I heard of them"
>>FWIW
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got
>>an
>>>>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>>>>
>>>>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>>>>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>>>>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>>>>as being top-shelf.
>>>>
>>>>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>>>>engineering skills.
>>>>
>>>>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>>>>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>>>>channel strips anyway.
>>>>
>>>>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>>>>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>>>>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>>>>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>>>>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>>>>
>>>>Isallimsayin.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
>>>actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what
>level
>>>your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
>>>in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
>>>room either.
>>>
>>>There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
>>>results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
>>>educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because
>>of
>>>it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
>>>to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for
>>me
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the
Neve
>>>5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
>>>
>>>It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
>>
>>>The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
>>>
>>>James
>>
>MPEG Streamclip-
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/video/mpegstreamclip.h tml
http://www.squared5.com/
Ted
"Phil Aiken" <adsf@lkj.dfs> wrote:
>
>I have a few DVD's of live performances, and I'd like to take a couple of
>clips and add them to my website or Youtube.
>Anybody have any reccomendations for software that will allow me to do this?
>OK...anybody have any cheaper suggestions?
>PC or mac are OK....What about Gene's post re: MOTU 828II with Black Lion Mods,
from a few days ago?
T
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>As I have mentioned here a bit before, I've been in gear accumulation mode
>for the upcoming Mold Monkies recordings. I now have a nice selection of
>reasonably priced but pretty nice microphones. Two channels of really superior
>preamps, six channels of pretty good preamps, and 16 channels of Mackie.
>Of course most of this will be barely used save when tracking drums, where
>I think we'll be using twelve mics. 2x overheads, kick, top and bottoms
snare,
>spot mics on three toms, hi hat, a knee high mic a few feet off the kit,
>and a stereo pair in the room. The problem now is that the studio has a
Presonus
>Firebox and a MOTU 828. The studio computer is a Mac, and I've done some
>testing and using the two devices together (as an 'aggregate' device in
OS
>X) yields different latencies that would cause pretty massive comb filtering
>problems doing drums.
>
>Sadly, being a complete moron when I bought my Creamware card I didn't get
>the Z-link version, which would allow me to get 16 channels of pretty decent
>line level converters for less than a grand. Alternately, I could go the
>RME route with PCI cards or firewire but that looks like a $1500+ proposition
>and with very little utility outside of tracking this band. Right now I'm
>leaning toward a Scope Home card (ballpark $500) and an A16 (again, ballpark
>$800). Also, being me, I'd probably just get a Scope Pro card with all the
>extra DSP and the Z-link I/O options, but I've sunk enough money into this
>project that even I'm starting to balk at writing $2k checks.
>
>So, to make a short story very long, are there other options for getting
>16 really good line level converters into a computer for recording a a full
>drum kit? And this has to be a no hassle, works all the time, we don't wind
>up pushing tracks around a couple of samples to compensate for different
>latency from different hardware.
>
>And yes, one option would be another PARIS system for tracking, and then
>I would fly the tracks over to my SX rig via ADAT, which I've been thinking
>about doing, but I'm willing to hear suggestions from anyone.
>
>Thanks,
>
>TCBSorry - It's the MOTU 2408, not 828.
http://www.motu.com/products/pciaudio/2408/cuemixdsp.html
<quote>
The stock 2408MKIII converters are similar in quality to the Multiface. I
would give the Multiface a slight edge, but the modified 2408MKIII is a definite
step up. Very open sounding. Not quite up to Prism, Mytek or Cranesong but
better than RME.
2X MOTU 2408MKIII with Black Lion Mods.
Pick up 2408s on eBay.
This is expandable to 32 I/O analog and a total of 98 I/O.
The current drivers are stable on XP and OSX, MOTU supports 64 bit drivers.
The Black Lion Mods are excellent and get my 2408s very close to my Mytek.
G
<end quote>
T
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>What about Gene's post re: MOTU 828II with Black Lion Mods,
>from a few days ago?
>
>T
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>As I have mentioned here a bit before, I've been in gear accumulation mode
>>for the upcoming Mold Monkies recordings. I now have a nice selection of
>>reasonably priced but pretty nice microphones. Two channels of really superior
>>preamps, six channels of pretty good preamps, and 16 channels of Mackie.
>>Of course most of this will be barely used save when tracking drums, where
>>I think we'll be using twelve mics. 2x overheads, kick, top and bottoms
>snare,
>>spot mics on three toms, hi hat, a knee high mic a few feet off the kit,
>>and a stereo pair in the room. The problem now is that the studio has a
>Presonus
>>Firebox and a MOTU 828. The studio computer is a Mac, and I've done some
>>testing and using the two devices together (as an 'aggregate' device in
>OS
>>X) yields different latencies that would cause pretty massive comb filtering
>>problems doing drums.
>>
>>Sadly, being a complete moron when I bought my Creamware card I didn't
get
>>the Z-link version, which would allow me to get 16 channels of pretty decent
>>line level converters for less than a grand. Alternately, I could go the
>>RME route with PCI cards or firewire but that looks like a $1500+ proposition
>>and with very little utility outside of tracking this band. Right now I'm
>>leaning toward a Scope Home card (ballpark $500) and an A16 (again, ballpark
>>$800). Also, being me, I'd probably just get a Scope Pro card with all
the
>>extra DSP and the Z-link I/O options, but I've sunk enough money into this
>>project that even I'm starting to balk at writing $2k checks.
>>
>>So, to make a short story very long, are there other options for getting
>>16 really good line level converters into a computer for recording a a
full
>>drum kit? And this has to be a no hassle, works all the time, we don't
wind
>>up pushing tracks around a couple of samples to compensate for different
>>latency from different hardware.
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