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| Re: The music industry [message #79740 is a reply to message #79725] |
Thu, 08 February 2007 19:01   |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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>"Neil" <oiUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>That is the problem with the biz. So you aren't shit unless >you got an
>SSL and a full blown ProTools system.
>
>Did I say an SSL? No, I suggested an older lower-range Trident;
>it's going to sound a fuckload better from input to mixdown than,
>any Tascam I've ever heard AND it's got a name people recognize
>as being top-shelf.
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>>I guess it depends on what you want to do. A lot comes down to
>>engineering skills.
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>1.) You really don't "need" a console these days - what, with
>most people preferring to mix & match external mic pres &
>channel strips anyway.
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>2.) If you DO get a console, it then becomes the focus of your
>room, and your rack of massenburg, neve, and API preamps takes
>an immediate back seat; and because lots of clients are brand-
>aware, you'd better make it a good desk, otherwise you may find
>your "investment" may actually cost you gigs.
>
>Isallimsayin.
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The SSL PT thing was a figure of speech, well maybe not. I have had people
actually say this many times. I guess my point is, it depends on what level
your on, and what you charge. I'm sure some people would not pay to record
in a Tascam room. I'm sure there are people that wouldn't record in Steinberg/RME
room either.
There is no substitute for good equipment. I just think you can get professional
results with some less expensive equipment. I think it's best to become
educated about a product and listen to it before writing it off because of
it's name. The mixes I'm heard from the Tascam do sound good. I'd like
to get some time in on one myself, but My Panasonic DA-7 MKII works for me
right now.
If you go back and look at my lust list, I have the Toft ADB, and the Neve
5088 listed. The Neve is an example of a different level.
It is my opinion that there is still a place in the studio for a mixer.
The whole ITB thing is over rated, with maybe the exception of Paris.
JamesI've got the solution mates...
Hate 'em all... They are all pieces of consumer crap never intended
for production, and are a curse upon the world...
heh
Hey, where'd my Studer go??
DCIf you could careless, then why are do you keep posting? Oh yeah, you already
answered this, it's because you want to screw with me. Your free to do what
you want, but you should think about your posts.
First this wasn't a conversation, this was a Mac bashing, again! This post
started out nice, it's not so nice anymore! Slander you? I don't think
so! So are you now threatening me? Your the one that's making this personal.
Go back and read all your posts!
I'm glad you have volunteered for Habitat for Humanity, that's a good thing.
"Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>James - now you are making it personal. You haven't gotten a single thing
>I've said here.
>I said over and over again that it's just a silly computer regardless of
who
>makes it.
>Hardly of significance in the grand scheme.
>
>And since you are choosing to throw my faith back in my face and slander
me
>personally
>as a means to support your argument then this conversation is over.
>
>Btw - I've spent a lot of time volunteering for Habitat in 4 different
>states, have a close relative that works for them,
>and have met and heard Millard Fuller speak in person (the founder).
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:46044fc4$1@linux...
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>James -
>>>
>>>#1 - I never said anyone in particular was greedy, nor am I looking to
>>>call
>>
>>>anyone greedy. You are arguing your ideals with anyone
>>>that post in any Mac related thread and putting words in other posters
>>>posts
>>
>>>to continue your Apple crusade. It's getting really, really old.
>>>
>>>#2 - If you mistakenly and sadly think that Habitat for Humanity and other
>>
>>>charity organizations are communist
>>>idealistic principles, and can't distinquish between corporate and
>>>altruistic motivations, then obviously you have other issues.
>>>
>>>Like I said, I'm not stating an opinion either way about either company.
>>>You are the only one with the vehement and somewhat unnervingly biased
>>>opinions here.
>>>
>>>Good luck with that. Nothing personal.
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>> It sounded like you were saying by nature all businesses are greedy.
Thad
>> was saying that SJ is greedy. He also stated it's because iTunes is
>> closed
>> and Apple has tied iTunes to their hardware. It's true that it is tied
to
>> their hardware MP3 players, that's just smart business for them, and it
is
>> because of the deals they made with the record companies. I don't think
>> they had much of a choice.
>>
>> Apple did however open itunes up to WinBlows! Apple doesn't keep you
from
>> add non Apple purchased MP3 to their iPod. They make a Windows version
of
>> the iPod, and they don't charge any more for it. Jobs would like to drop
>> all DRM, and open up the market to third party MP3 players. He's knocked
>> for that here also. Why should SJ ever open it up to third party MP3
>> players?
>> Did MS open up VMs in all their version of Vista? No! Why not?
>>
>> This post was DJ he was saying that he didn't find any thing wrong with
>> iTunes.
>> I think he expected it to be a "KLUG". I posted back to tell him about
>> some cool features and some ways I've used it. but it wasn't long before
>> someone posted, WINDOWS! WINDOWS! WINDOWS! Windows Media Player is good
>> too! Ok! Where did MS get the ideas for the features, the interface,
the
>> look and even down the Aqua note with the CD? They copied it from
>> Apple!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> So then it went to Thad knocking Apple, iTunes, Steve Jobs for their DRM
>> and being greedy. Not cool! Apple's DRM isn't really DRM. I drag files
>> on to my non Apple MP3 player all the time with no problems and no
>> restrictions.
>> Just compare that to Microsoft's DRM! Look at all the big brother shit
>> MS has going on in their software. They steal from others and then
>> prosecute
>> others for copying their software. Yes software Nazis! Maybe your cool
>> with this kind of unethical business practice, where did you say your
>> from?
>>
>> Apple and crusade? No, just standing up to the lies and the bashing.
By
>> the way, there are some Mac users here. Since you bring up crusades,
who
>> is on a crusade? Aren't you the big Christian? Your posts aren't so
>> Christian
>> like!!!!! Maybe you should think about things. You've even said you
>> posting
>> to screw with me. So have fun with your taunting posts.
>>
>> I never said Habitat for Humanity or any other charities are communist.
>> It sounded like you were saying all businesses are greedy, and that
>> statement
>> sounds like communist idealism. So how many days have you volunteered
for
>> Habitat for Humanity?
>>
>> Nothing personal? Come on dude, it's getting totally personal!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46043054$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>Wow. Pretty strong accusations, assumptions and convenient speculation
>>>>
>>>>>there James.
>>>>
>>>> First it was said in effect that Steve Jobs is a bad guy and greedy.
>> I
>>>> totally
>>>> disagree. you should really look at Gates and Balmer, if you want
to
>>
>>>> call
>>>> people greedy.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not defending either MS or Apple, but I think it's quite narrow
>>>>>minded
>>>>
>>>>>to make
>>>>>Apple out to be shining star of the corporate world just because you
>>>>>choose
>>>>
>>>>>to believe that's the case.
>>>>>In fact, it's kind of sad you hold Apple in such high regard and think
>> MS
>>>> is
>>>>>basically the spawn of Satan.
>>>>>A little balance might be the wiser approach.
>>>>>
>>>>>In my opinion, if an organization isn't dedicating 100% of it's
>>>>>resources
>>>> to
>>>>>fighting hunger,
>>>>>helping the poor, or building homes for low income families (Habitat
for
>>>>
>>>>>Humanity), it's
>>>>>motivated by one thing - profit. Call it greed, call it business, it's
>>>> all
>>>>>the same.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like communist idealism! So all enterprise and businesses are
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