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| Re: good and quite cheap s/h 8 channels converters for may adat card [message #56432 is a reply to message #56406] |
Sat, 30 July 2005 17:39   |
rick
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slave owners, has a history all the way
>>back to england, scotland and ireland, and every group, white or
>>black that embraces it, sees the same phenomena that black
>>american culture currently suffers from.
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>>I spent most of my life in academia, and I have done more than
>>have black friends. I have mentored and led young black men.
>>Today, nearly all are succesful and many are professionals, and it
>>all started with changing the way they think. Racism is not the
>>issue. It's like "whack-a-mole", we need to hammer it wherever it
>>pops up, but that won't change things. What made the change
>>is a sense of ownership.
>>
>>Young man
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| Re: good and quite cheap s/h 8 channels converters for may adat card [message #56441 is a reply to message #56439] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 02:10 |
cyrille
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Registered: August 2005
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cassete, moved to a Tascam 38 1/2",
eventually replaced it with a couple af DA-38s and then PARIS.
My first question is...where would you all go from here? I will eventually
need some nice converters. Should I buy a Lynx Aurora or Appogee DA and
AD-16x now (I have a big ben and it makes a noticable difference with the
stock PARIS converters). Has anyone compared either to the stock converters
at 44.1 with a good clock? How would that integrate with the ADAT module at
only 20bit? (I noticed one of you all mentioning having to dither every
track to 20 bit).
Maybe I should use what I have now, then when I'm ready, move to something
like a Nyquist RADAR and a real board? SX or Nuendo just seems more tempting
because I'm half way there, and only need the converters, but I sure like
the idea of a closed system such as RADAR or even the new TASCAM 48 track.
The problem is I am sometimes frustrated with PARIS as it seems to have some
issues with routing sound when I don't tell it to (I was recently doing a
drum sub using an auxilary mix to two new tracks and I was getting aux
bleed, even when no auxilary send was active). It's stuff like that that
just makes me drop what I'm doing and go eat a doughnut or something.
Anyway, sorry if this post is a little confused, but I AM a little confused
right now. Maybe I just need to vent a little bit, but hopefully a
benificial discussion can come of this.
Thanks,
Joey BeeMy CD player in my truck crapped out last week. I haven't had tome to get it
fixed so I bought one of those crappy things that plug into the cigarette
lighter and use a cassette tape. I've been trying to use it as a reference
for some burns. the converters are sooooooooo bad that I've been driving
myself nuts trying to tame the 10k range with no luck. I just figured iout
that it sucks on just about every commercial CD I have here too.
Arrrgggghhh!!!!!!! the time I've wasted on this POS!!!!
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DJ,
Sounds like growing pains to
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| Re: good and quite cheap s/h 8 channels converters for may adat card [message #56466 is a reply to message #56441] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 19:38 |
Mike Audet
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;critical listening/experimenting with this right now, but I'm just
>wondering, *in theory*, would the cumulative quantization noise that would
>result from the truncation of, say 20 + tracks, be offset by one final
>dither of the bounced mix?
>
>I'm leaving town tomorrow, but willbe glad to be tyhe guinea pig on this
>when I return next week sometime. I'm just wondering if anyone has already
>tried this or wants to hazard a guess based on the science behind it?
>
>Deej
>
In my setup I absolutely prefer NOT to dither to 20 going to Paris via ADAT.
If the final mix is 24 and will be dithered down to 16, you should judge
the results of the final 16-bit version rather than listening to the 24 bit
files in Paris. The single application of dither at the final stage seems
to accomplish the masking without as much noise.
I did try converting the DP files to 20 bit with dither supplied by Barbabatch
prior to sending to Paris. This sounded OK, but was a lot of work.
GeneThanks Gene. My concern is with the perceptual aspects of the cumulative
quantization noise as it relates to harshness in the midrange. If I'm
compensating for that with EQ during the mix, then I may be subtracting
something I'm going to need later on.
I certainly trust your judgment on this as you've been at it quite a while
longer than I and I would imagine that this isn't something that is jumping
out at you or you would have addressed it.
The cumulative dither really isn't ugly. It's very similar to audible tape
noise at 30 IPS at the tail of a track when a project has been tracked at
sufficient levels and there is no noticable audible noise in the quiet
passages during the song mix.
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:43232216$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Due to cumulative dither noise which I am hearing in the tails of my
bounced
> >tracks before I fade them, I have been considering removing the dither
> >plugins from my Cubase channels that are handling the quantization noise
> >from Cubase SX as the channels are individually truncated from 32bit to
> 20
> >bit when they leave the SX environment and travel throught the Paris
20bit
> >ADAT channels for summing in Paris.
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> >My ears will be the final judge of this and I don't have time to do a lot
> of
> >critical listening/experimenting with this right now, but I'm just
> >wo
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| Re: good and quite cheap s/h 8 channels converters for may adat card [message #56656 is a reply to message #56508] |
Fri, 05 August 2005 22:57 |
cyrille
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Registered: August 2005
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>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>URS eq's
seconded, forgot it in my intial list.I've been using Paris 3.0 on first OS 8.6 and then 9.2.1 for years, but my
computer (beige G3) is past its reliable service life. I'd like to upgrade
to a G5 running OS10.3 or 10.4, but is it possible to use Paris? Specific
questions:
1) Did an angel somewhere make an OS10 driver for Paris 3.0?
2) If so, where/how can I get it?
3) Will my Paris card fit in the G5's PSI/PSI(extended) slot?
4) Will it all work together reliably? Any potential glitches to be mindful
of?
5) Since it's time to say goodbye to my Opcode 64X MIDI interface (which
connects to the Printer Port of the G3), can anyone recommend a USB- or Firewire-type
8-channel MIDI interfact? And what MIDI software would work nicely on it
as a compatible complement to using Paris for the DAW? (The key issues would
seem to be the MIDI software's ease of use, functionality, and ease of importing
its MIDI files into Paris. Note: I've used Opcode Vision for MIDI up to this
point.)
Your advice is much appreciated. If there are other issues I need to consider,
please feel free to share.
Richard FaylorRichard Faylor wrote:
> I've been using Paris 3.0 on first OS 8.6 and then 9.2.1 for years, but my
> computer (beige G3) is past its reliable service life. I'd like to upgrade
> to a G5 running OS10.3 or 10.4, but is it possible to use Paris? Specific
> questions:
> 1) Did an angel somewhere make an OS10 driver for Paris 3.0?
> 2) If so, where/how can I get it?
> 3) Will my Paris card fit in the G5's PSI/PSI(extended) slot?
> 4) Will it all work together reliably? Any potential glitches to be mindful
> of?
> 5) Since it's time to say goodbye to my Opcode 64X MIDI interface (which
> connects to the Printer Port of the G3), can anyone recommend a USB- or Firewire-type
> 8-channel MIDI interfact? And what MIDI software would work nicely on it
> as a compatible complement to using Paris for the DAW? (The key issues would
> seem to be the MIDI software's ease of use, functionality, and ease of importing
> its MIDI files into Paris. Note: I've used Opcode Vision for MIDI up to this
> point.)
>
> Your advice is much appreciated. If there are other issues I need to consider,
> please feel free to share.
>
> Richard Faylor
Hi Richard,
No, unfortunately at this point you won't be able to use Paris or EDS cards in a G5. Also, forget about importing midi files into Paris, it won't happen.
I would suggest getting a dedicated box for Paris (pc or mac) and sync it to your G5 (that's what I'm doing).
As far as software for midi, I use Logic and Live on my G5.
I use a Tascam FW1884 for my midi ports which has been really solid, but it's 4 ports.
Personally I prefer to run Paris on a PC and everything else audio related on my G5.
Cheers,
TCI know Ashlee Simpson went blond, but I didn't know she cut her
hair, too...
I couldn't hit the stop button. Thanks for this!
Chris
"DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote:
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>http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>
>I warned you...Maybe this is William Hung's new group.
;oP
If you really want to squirm.......check this out.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=american+id ol+worst&btnG=Search
"Chris Lang" <yo@yo.yo> wrote in message news:432cad35$1@linux...
>
> I know Ashlee Simpson went blond, but I didn't know she cut her
> hair, too...
>
> I couldn't hit the stop button. Thanks for this!
>
> Chris
>
>
> "DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote:
> >
> >http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
> >
> >I warned you...
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>If you really want to squirm.......check this out.
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=american+id ol+worst&btnG=Search
Ok, OK! Now we put the singer from Idol with the Deep Sunshine
band, and ummm
waddya get?
Culture Club!
heh heh heh
DCRichard
As the others said, you don't want to use Paris for midi. I used to use
Vision and Paris together seamlessly until I decided to upgrade my OS 9 to
a later version and couldn't use Vision anymore. I went to Performer, which
also still works seamlessly with Paris now, and THE most similar program
to what Vision was like. I am on a G4 450 machine and have no problems.
If you want to see what is involved using midi with Paris go here
http://www.parisfaqs.com/
and scroll down to General Paris Settings and look for my write up on midi.
Click on those words and you will read a tutorial on what is involved in
setting it up and using it. Very complicated and not good. No looping,
quantizing, etc.
Good Luck
Lou Guarino
"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote:
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>I’ve always recorded song ideas in MIDI using Opcode Vision to save space
>on the hard drive. Now, I’m thinking maybe I could do the same in Paris
and
>let Vision go, but before I make all the settings and the commitment to
learn
>how Paris handles MIDI, can anyone tell me:
>1) By using Paris for MIDI, will I end up with the same size files that
I
>would in Vision (vis a vis hard drive space), or would the Paris/MIDI files
>be bigger?
>2) Does Paris’ MIDI function anything like Vision in regard to looping,
quantizing,
>editing, etc.
>
>One other question: I’m still using a Beige G3 with Paris, but it’s nearing
>the end of its service life. What was the last, and fastest, Apple tower
>and OS that worked with Paris 3.0 before Apple moved to USB/Firewire and
>OSX (which I assume are incompatible with my Paris MEC and Paris 3.0)?
>
>Thanks.
>Richard Faylor
>Awwwwww..........DUDE!!!!!!!!! I was drinkin a coke when I read that. Time
to clen sticky syrup off querty.
;oD
"DC" <dc@spamboygeorge.com> wrote in message news:432cc28c$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >If you really want to squirm.......check this out.
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=american+id ol+worst&btnG=Search
>
>
> Ok, OK! Now we put the singer from Idol with the Deep Sunshine
> band, and ummm
>
> waddya get?
>
> Culture Club!
>
> heh heh heh
>
> DC
>I'm extatic!! Thrilled! Over the frippin' moon!!
This morning I hooked up, for the first time, my planned live setup. A lot
of mental energy has gone into this. A lot of planning. A lot of theories.
A lot of documenting and changing my mind.
Basically the idea is that I'll have 3 keyboards, plus a Theramin and a guitar,
along with three different effects loops, one of which is the Digitech GNX4
which also acts as a looping pedal. The GNX therefore allows me to record
parts and build a song using all the other bits. I have a Behringer FBC1010
which controls all the routing of sounds done by two Akai MB-76's. Any keyboard
or combination thereof can be routed through any effects unit or combination
thereof. Any patch can be acheived.
I have approached this setup in a way most unlike me. I have planned it carefully
in as much detail as I realistically can. Traditionally I've been a "Let's
just do it and see what happens" kinda guy, but it seems lately I'm changing
my approach and planning things, and it's working for me.
After spending several hours over the last couple of days programming both
the AKAI MB-76 programmable patch bays, as well as the Behringer this morning,
I then went and took everything out the back and plugged it in to some of
the gear. So far just two of the keyboards and two of the effects loops (one
of which is the GNX/looper).
What I loved was that I plugged the stuff in and it just worked. I'd planned
it all so well that there was no mucking around. I plugged it in, punched
in a program which would send a keyboard here or there, and it just went
where it was told. I was thrilled. Well, not just thrilled...
This morning I actually literally jumped for joy. I was throwing fists in
the air with passion and excitement, shouting "YES!!!".
I since discovered a couple of minor hickups in the realm of level discrepencies,,
but nothing I couldn't overcome with some quick reprogramming of the Digitech.
Things are going swimmingly. Wonderfully. Absolutely fantastically.
The unfortunate thing is that it takes a long long time to plug it all in...
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.>The unfortunate thing is that it takes a long long time to plug it all
in...
hehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!...........there's always something, right? Very cool
Kim. Glad you've got this going finally. I've been following your posts
about this.
;o)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:432cefd6$1@linux...
>
>
> I'm extatic!! Thrilled! Over the frippin' moon!!
>
> This morning I hooked up, for the first time, my planned live setup. A lot
> of mental energy has gone into this. A lot of planning. A lot of theories.
> A lot of documenting and changing my mind.
>
> Basically the idea is that I'll have 3 keyboards, plus a Theramin and a
guitar,
> along with three different effects loops, one of which is the Digitech
GNX4
> which also acts as a looping pedal. The GNX therefore allows me to record
> parts and build a song using all the other bits. I have a Behringer
FBC1010
> which controls all the routing of sounds done by two Akai MB-76's. Any
keyboard
> or combination thereof can be routed through any effects unit or
combination
> thereof. Any patch can be acheived.
>
> I have approached this setup in a way most unlike me. I have planned it
carefully
> in as much detail as I realistically can. Traditionally I've been a "Let's
> just do it and see what happens" kinda guy, but it seems lately I'm
changing
> my approach and planning things, and it's working for me.
>
> After spending several hours over the last couple of days programming both
> the AKAI MB-76 programmable patch bays, as well as the Behringer this
morning,
> I then went and took everything out the back and plugged it in to some of
> the gear. So far just two of the keyboards and two of the effects loops
(one
> of which is the GNX/looper).
>
> What I loved was that I plugged the stuff in and it just worked. I'd
planned
> it all so well that there was no mucking around. I plugged it in, punched
> in a program which would send a keyboard here or there, and it just went
> where it was told. I was thrilled. Well, not just thrilled...
>
> This morning I actually literally jumped for joy. I was throwing fists in
> the air with passion and excitement, shouting "YES!!!".
>
> I since discovered a couple of minor hickups in the realm of level
discrepencies,,
> but nothing I couldn't overcome with some quick reprogramming of the
Digitech.
>
> Things are going swimmingly. Wonderfully. Absolutely fantastically.
>
> The unfortunate thing is that it takes a long long time to plug it all
in...
> ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
>I've still got some tweaking to do I've discovered. There's some harsh digital
clipping coming from somewhere, the GNX I guess, which I've got to work out,
and two keyboards and the guitar are way louder than the other to the point
you can't hear the quiet one... which may require that I reprogram the
mix bays to turn all the others down on each patch. Or I could go option
B and run that keyboard through the mic pre for extra level, which may be
easier, and may yeild a better result as it will allow me to run hotter overall
through the system, hence less noise.
These things and more will be sorted out as time goes on, but overall I'm
stoked at the progress. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>The unfortunate thing is that it takes a long long time to plug it all
>in...
>
>hehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!...........there's always something, right? Very cool
>Kim. Glad you've got this going finally. I've been following your posts
>about this.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:432cefd6$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I'm extatic!! Thrilled! Over the frippin' moon!!
>>
>> This morning I hooked up, for the first time, my planned live setup. A
lot
>> of mental energy has gone into this. A lot of planning. A lot of theories.
>> A lot of documenting and changing my mind.
>>
>> Basically the idea is that I'll have 3 keyboards, plus a Theramin and
a
>guitar,
>> along with three different effects loops, one of which is the Digitech
>GNX4
>> which also acts as a looping pedal. The GNX therefore allows me to record
>> parts and build a song using all the other bits. I have a Behringer
>FBC1010
>> which controls all the routing of sounds done by two Akai MB-76's. Any
>keyboard
>> or combination thereof can be routed through any effects unit or
>combination
>> thereof. Any patch can be acheived.
>>
>> I have approached this setup in a way most unlike me. I have planned it
>carefully
>> in as much detail as I realistically can. Traditionally I've been a "Let's
>> just do it and see what happens" kinda guy, but it seems lately I'm
>changing
>> my approach and planning things, and it's working for me.
>>
>> After spending several hours over the last couple of days programming
both
>> the AKAI MB-76 programmable patch bays, as well as the Behringer this
>morning,
>> I then went and took everything out the back and plugged it in to some
of
>> the gear. So far just two of the keyboards and two of the effects loops
>(one
>> of which is the GNX/looper).
>>
>> What I loved was that I plugged the stuff in and it just worked. I'd
>planned
>> it all so well that there was no mucking around. I plugged it in, punched
>> in a program which would send a keyboard here or there, and it just went
>> where it was told. I was thrilled. Well, not just thrilled...
>>
>> This morning I actually literally jumped for joy. I was throwing fists
in
>> the air with passion and excitement, shouting "YES!!!".
>>
>> I since discovered a couple of minor hickups in the realm of level
>discrepencies,,
>> but nothing I couldn't overcome with some quick reprogramming of the
>Digitech.
>>
>> Things are going swimmingly. Wonderfully. Absolutely fantastically.
>>
>> The unfortunate thing is that it takes a long long time to plug it all
>in...
>> ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>>
>
>Wicked cool Kim. Executing a gear plan, with no problems, is it's own special
kind of ecstasy. Are you a solo act or setting this up to work in a band?
I seem to recall you mentioning that you were in a band, but maybe trying
the solo thing.
MR
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I'm extatic!! Thrilled! Over the frippin' moon!!
>
>This morning I hooked up, for the first time, my planned live setup. A lot
>of mental energy has gone into this. A lot of planning. A lot of theories.
>A lot of documenting and changing my mind.
>
>Basically the idea is that I'll have 3 keyboards, plus a Theramin and a
guitar,
>along with three different effects loops, one of which is the Digitech GNX4
>which also acts as a looping pedal. The GNX therefore allows me to record
>parts and build a song using all the other bits. I have a Behringer FBC1010
>which controls all the routing of sounds done by two Akai MB-76's. Any keyboard
>or combination thereof can be routed through any effects unit or combination
>thereof. Any patch can be acheived.
>
>I have approached this setup in a way most unlike me. I have planned it
carefully
>in as much detail as I realistically can. Traditionally I've been a "Let's
>just do it and see what happens" kinda guy, but it seems lately I'm changing
>my approach and planning things, and it's working for me.
>
>After spending several hours over the last couple of days programming both
>the AKAI MB-76 programmable patch bays, as well as the Behringer this morning,
>I then went and took everything out the back and plugged it in to some of
>the gear. So far just two of the keyboards and two of the effects loops
(one
>of which is the GNX/looper).
>
>What I loved was that I plugged the stuff in and it just worked. I'd planned
>it all so well that there was no mucking around. I plugged it in, punched
>in a program which would send a keyboard here or there, and it just went
>where it was told. I was thrilled. Well, not just thrilled...
>
>This morning I actually literally jumped for joy. I was throwing fists in
>the air with passion and excitement, shouting "YES!!!".
>
>I since discovered a couple of minor hickups in the realm of level discrepencies,,
>but nothing I couldn't overcome with some quick reprogramming of the Digitech.
>
>Things are going swimmingly. Wonderfully. Absolutely fantastically.
>
>The unfortunate thing is that it takes a long long time to plug it all in...
> ;o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>Hi All
I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I noticed
Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
thanks
DonI'd like to do some cheapo rough mastering in Wavelab.
My comp unfortunately has built in sound.
However, I am concerned that the audio output will not be accurate enough
Is is possible to add a higher end card on a MOBO like this?
Will it not really matter too much for rough (a little limiting/even over
all levels/ sequence) mastering?Found it...DUH!
Don
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
> Hi All
>
> I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I noticed
> Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>
> thanks
>
> Don
>
>
>
>I know a lot of you guys like Mogami and Canare cables.
Where do you puchase? I'm no pro with the soldering, so I need to get a
snake to spec.
Last time I bought cables I went with Redco Audio, the company recommended
by Mercenary for all cabling needs?
Anybody? It's a big investment, and I don't want to waste money.
JimmyI checked Chuck Duffy's site where I learned that an OSX driver for Paris
is "not looking good..." and that "the [Paris] EDS-1000 cards are 5v PCI
boards that operate at 33 MHz on a standard PCI bus, with a 32 bit data path.
That means that the EDS cards will NOT work in the new G5."
"TC" of this group has suggested getting a "dedicated box" for Paris. Louis
of this group has said he uses a "G4 450." And "Jamie K." wrote: "I used
a dual 1GHZ G4 which was great for PARIS audio work (but for MIDI, fuhgetaboutit!).
I think maybe dual 1.33 was the last G4 before booting into OS9 was left
behind."
My questions:
Is the G4 (with OS 9) the last Mac model to work effectively with Paris 3.0
software and hardware, including the EDS card? If so, is there any reliable
supplier of G4s these days?
Also, since I'm not able to buy state-of-the-art Mac equipment to work with
Paris, is a PC box a good choice? (TC wrote: "Personally I prefer to run
Paris on a PC and everything else audio related on my G5.")
If I go the PC route, will any model and year work? Or do I need to find
a specific older model to accomodate Paris software and PCI card?
I greatly appreciate your advice."Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I seem to recall you mentioning that you were in a band, but maybe trying
>the solo thing.
Yeh, that'[s basically it. I'm in a band at the moment, but as per usual
they're just giving me the irates more than anything. The idea of the band
came about in January, and so far we know all of about 4 songs, and even
though are pretty rough. Finding times to rehearse has been near impossible...
anyhow... ;o)
But yes, I want to start a solo thing and dump this whole "I have to work
with other people" idea. ;o) That's mostly what this whole setup is about.
I figure to make the show as good as a band I need to have as much gear as
a band. ;o) Unfortunately I'll have to lug it all myself, which will suck.
Still, it is tremendously satisfying to build a whole song in seconds, and
I'm fairly confident that my playing skills will increase by a huge factor
now that I can better rehearse on my own. Over the last 12 months I've been
lucky to pick up an instrument once a week.
The hard part is going to be working on good ideas for transitions, starts
etc. Creating a few loops is easy. Where it gets hard is mostly in the area
of keeping things interesting while the loops play, because of course, a
loop is just a loop, and hence kinda repeative. Fortunately I do have some
ability to remove individual loops and then bring them back which helps.
The hard bit overall though will be keeping it interesting once the loops
are playing.
It's a problem I'm happy to have though. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.All you folks who clock Paris to an external source (Lucid, Apogee, etc.):
how much better does it sound?
5%?
10%?
40%?
Thanks!
JimmyThe latest P4 / motherboard combinations will work perfectly with Paris
running XP
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:432de37c@linux...
>
> I checked Chuck Duffy's site where I learned that an OSX driver for Paris
> is "not looking good..." and that "the [Paris] EDS-1000 cards are 5v PCI
> boards that operate at 33 MHz on a standard PCI bus, with a 32 bit data
> path.
> That means that the EDS cards will NOT work in the new G5."
> "TC" of this group has suggested getting a "dedicated box" for Paris.
> Louis
> of this group has said he uses a "G4 450." And "Jamie K." wrote: "I used
> a dual 1GHZ G4 which was great for PARIS audio work (but for MIDI,
> fuhgetaboutit!).
> I think maybe dual 1.33 was the last G4 before booting into OS9 was left
> behind."
> My questions:
> Is the G4 (with OS 9) the last Mac model to work effectively with Paris
> 3.0
> software and hardware, including the EDS card? If so, is there any
> reliable
> supplier of G4s these days?
> Also, since I'm not able to buy state-of-the-art Mac equipment to work
> with
> Paris, is a PC box a good choice? (TC wrote: "Personally I prefer to run
> Paris on a PC and everything else audio related on my G5.")
> If I go the PC route, will any model and year work? Or do I need to find
> a specific older model to accomodate Paris software and PCI card?
> I greatly appreciate your advice."Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>The latest P4 / motherboard combinations will work perfectly with Paris
>running XP
Keep in mind that some of the latest boards will have only PCI Express slots
which of course are not Paris compatible. You need to make sure too that
you have 5V compatible PCI slots, which covers most of the boards that have
"old style" PCI. From memory any PCI standard that starts with a 2 will work.
Don't quote me on that though. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.A/D conversion I'd say 5%. D/A conversion, 10%
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:432e0316$1@linux...
> All you folks who clock Paris to an external source (Lucid, Apogee, etc.):
>
> how much better does it sound?
>
> 5%?
>
> 10%?
>
> 40%?
>
> Thanks!
> Jimmy
>
>www.markertek.com
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re there was a banner that said
"Dyslexics!!! UNTIE"
"Russ" <riverbed@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:432c45ec$1@linux...
> good pair of mics go the XY, big sound natural field, man my typing sux,
I'm
> sure I'm dyslexic. I went to a toga party dressed as a goat.
>
>
> "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199@SPAMLESSsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:qkbni1hj3aotsojcgf1i4p8pqun8i510ca@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> > Well I was away all day and came back to these several *great*
> > suggestions... Thanks all -- really interesting stuff, looking
> > forward to trying out all these ideas...
> >
> > For the nuts and bolts kind of stuff you guys are really hard to
> > beat... Thanks again -- Chas.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:13:41 -0700, Chas. Duncan
> > <duncan5199@SPAMLESSsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Okay group, your thoughts please: Grand piano, with vocal... Best
> >>ideas for the killer sound... Nobody else in the room 'cept maybe a
> >>little stand up bass, occasional snare with a brush on it over in the
> >>corner.(nice sounding room)... How did the white coat lads approach
> >>this in ye olden days? Preferred mics, placement, signal path, all
> >>that good stuff. Music is sparse jazzy piano vocal -- need that thing
> >>to be capital G gorgeous...
> >>
> >>Any and all suggestions gratefully accepted -- Chas.
> >>
> >
>
>Richard,
I've been running PARIS on a dual 1GHz G4 Quicksilver for a few years now,
and it works great. As long as you can load and boot from a separate install
of OS 9 you should be fine. I also use this same machine in OS X to run
Digital Performer 4.6 along with Mach Five, Drumagog, dfh Superior, a UAD-1
card, Sample Tank 2, Kontact, many other AU plug ins, etc. and it also works
fine. Obviously, a G5 would allow me more tracks and plug ins, but the G4
gets the job done with few work arounds. Anyway, just though you should know
PARIS will run fine a G4 if you don't want to mess with going to a PC.
Tony
On 9/18/05 5:00 PM, in article 432de37c@linux, "Richard Faylor"
<RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I checked Chuck Duffy's site where I learned that an OSX driver for Paris
> is "not looking good..." and that "the [Paris] EDS-1000 cards are 5v PCI
> boards that operate at 33 MHz on a standard PCI bus, with a 32 bit data path.
> That means that the EDS cards will NOT work in the new G5."
> "TC" of this group has suggested getting a "dedicated box" for Paris. Louis
> of this group has said he uses a "G4 450." And "Jamie K." wrote: "I used
> a dual 1GHZ G4 which was great for PARIS audio work (but for MIDI,
> fuhgetaboutit!).
> I think maybe dual 1.33 was the last G4 before booting into OS9 was left
> behind."
> My questions:
> Is the G4 (with OS 9) the last Mac model to work effectively with Paris 3.0
> software and hardware, including the EDS card? If so, is there any reliable
> supplier of G4s these days?
> Also, since I'm not able to buy state-of-the-art Mac equipment to work with
> Paris, is a PC box a good choice? (TC wrote: "Personally I prefer to run
> Paris on a PC and everything else audio related on my G5.")
> If I go the PC route, will any model and year work? Or do I need to find
> a specific older model to accomodate Paris software and PCI card?
> I greatly appreciate your advice.Oh my aching ears! Nice stage show though. ;>)
Tony
On 9/17/05 2:48 PM, in article 432c7309$1@linux, "DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org>
wrote:
>
> http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>
> I warned you...I agree.
Jimmy
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:432e255a$1@linux...
>
>
> Had to get rid of that... can't have that stuff here.
>
> Shame someone posted it really.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Dirty.
> >
> >And confused.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >"Mike Claytor" <claytor@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:432e1b43$1@linux...
> >>
> >> If that's a tattoo, that HAD to hurt!!
> >>
> >>
> >> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >Wow.
> >> >
> >> >Now I feel dirty and confused. Not a good combo.
> >> >
> >> >Jimmy
> >> >
> >> >"Simpsons fan" <simpsun@fan.com> wrote in message
> >news:432e0bed$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>It was good for a laugh; ) This is more like the final insult! Ah, now
look what happened to big hair metal!
"DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote:
>
>http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>
>I warned you..."Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I checked Chuck Duffy's site where I learned that an OSX driver for Paris
>is "not looking good..." and that "the [Paris] EDS-1000 cards are 5v PCI
>boards that operate at 33 MHz on a standard PCI bus, with a 32 bit data
path.
>That means that the EDS cards will NOT work in the new G5."
>"TC" of this group has suggested getting a "dedicated box" for Paris. Louis
>of this group has said he uses a "G4 450." And "Jamie K." wrote: "I used
>a dual 1GHZ G4 which was great for PARIS audio work (but for MIDI, fuhgetaboutit!).
>I think maybe dual 1.33 was the last G4 before booting into OS9 was left
>behind."
>My questions:
>Is the G4 (with OS 9) the last Mac model to work effectively with Paris
3.0
>software and hardware, including the EDS card? If so, is there any reliable
>supplier of G4s these days?
>Also, since I'm not able to buy state-of-the-art Mac equipment to work with
>Paris, is a PC box a good choice? (TC wrote: "Personally I prefer to run
>Paris on a PC and everything else audio related on my G5.")
>If I go the PC route, will any model and year work? Or do I need to find
>a specific older model to accomodate Paris software and PCI card?
>I greatly appreciate your advice.
The last G4 Mac that ran OS 9, and was produced in large quantities was 1.25GHz
or Dual 1.25GHz. If you want to buy An apple G4, I would try ebay. You
can also buy a refurbished G4 from Apple from time to time on the Apple store
page under special deals. You'll pay a premium price but you will get a
one year warranty, and I believe it can be extended to a three year.
Good luck!
JamesDitto that on the 414. Nice stuff with that mic on a PNO.
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:432a57ea@linux...
>
> Well, i dont know what the white-coated dudes did, but I always
> liked a c-414 over the low wires and another over the highs.
> As for vox mic... whatever works with the singers' voice... how
> much more simple could it be? Brushed-only snare? Stick a nice
> condensor into a clean mic pre a foot or so away & see what you
> get... adjust distance as necessary.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> Chas. Duncan <duncan5199@SPAMLESSsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>Okay group, your thoughts please: Grand piano, with vocal... Best
>>ideas for the killer sound... Nobody else in the room 'cept maybe a
>>little stand up bass, occasional snare with a brush on it over in the
>>corner.(nice sounding room)... How did the white coat lads approach
>>this in ye olden days? Preferred mics, placement, signal path, all
>>that good stuff. Music is sparse jazzy piano vocal -- need that thing
>>to be capital G gorgeous...
>>
>>Any and all suggestions gratefully accepted -- Chas.
>>
>>
>Glad I didn't see it. Sounds like it would have ruined my memory of the 5th
Element chicken-from-the-microwave scene.
MR
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Had to get rid of that... can't have that stuff here.
>
>Shame someone posted it really.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>Dirty.
>>
>>And confused.
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>"Mike Claytor" <claytor@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:432e1b43$1@linux...
>>>
>>> If that's a tattoo, that HAD to hurt!!
>>>
>>>
>>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> >Wow.
>>> >
>>> >Now I feel dirty and confused. Not a good combo.
>>> >
>>> >Jimmy
>>> >
>>> >"Simpsons fan" <simpsun@fan.com> wrote in message
>>news:432e0bed$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>I'm no computer guru, but at least on my mobo its possible to disable the
onboard sound and use a card. I use a Soundblaster card, though I've thought
of upgrading. If they're still selling them, I've read good things about
the M-Audio Audiophile card )(99 bucks). For the same price Emu's got a
24/96 card -0404. But, if I may, you might consider mastering in Paris.
You can either copy your 2 tracks to a new submix within the project you're
working on, or create a new project and import the 2 track files. This way
you get the benefit of Paris' sound, Eq's and plug in's, plus any DX or VST
stuff you've got.
MR
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>I'd like to do some cheapo rough mastering in Wavelab.
>My comp unfortunately has built in sound.
>However, I am concerned that the audio output will not be accurate enough
>Is is possible to add a higher end card on a MOBO like this?
>Will it not really matter too much for rough (a little limiting/even over
>all levels/ sequence) mastering?
>I would pick up an M-Audio Audiophile card and feed the SPDIF to Paris
for monitoring there. Launch both Wavelab and Paris, then put two
tracks in Paris into record ready to monitor.
David.
cujo wrote:
> I'd like to do some cheapo rough mastering in Wavelab.
> My comp unfortunately has built in sound.
> However, I am concerned that the audio output will not be accurate enough
> Is is possible to add a higher end card on a MOBO like this?
> Will it not really matter too much for rough (a little limiting/even over
> all levels/ sequence) mastering?
>Very subjective, but a definite improvement in soundstage and clarity.
If I had to put a number to it I would say 5-10%.
David.
uptown jimmy wrote:
> All you folks who clock Paris to an external source (Lucid, Apogee, etc.):
>
> how much better does it sound?
>
> 5%?
>
> 10%?
>
> 40%?
>
> Thanks!
> Jimmy
>
>The boys at Radial do a fine job... we know them well. If shopping in
Canada isn't a problem for you, I highly recommend them. I would
contact Steve Hopia directly (604-942-1001) and tell him what you are
looking for. They are a Mogami shop.
David.
DJ wrote:
> www.markertek.com
>
> or........
>
> http://www.radialeng.com/
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:432dd2cd$1@linux...
>
>>I know a lot of you guys like Mogami and Canare cables.
>>
>>Where do you puchase? I'm no pro with the soldering, so I need to get a
>>snake to spec.
>>
>>Last time I bought cables I went with Redco Audio, the company recommended
>>by Mercenary for all cabling needs?
>>
>>Anybody? It's a big investment, and I don't want to waste money.
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>
>
>It is the first time I've ever envisioned what Homer Simpson would look like
with a moustache and goatee.
;o)
"Mike R." <emar@no.com> wrote in message news:432ec1d2$1@linux...
>
> Glad I didn't see it. Sounds like it would have ruined my memory of the
5th
> Element chicken-from-the-microwave scene.
> MR
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Had to get rid of that... can't have that stuff here.
> >
> >Shame someone posted it really.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kim.
> >
> >"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>Dirty.
> >>
> >>And confused.
> >>
> >>Jimmy
> >>
> >>"Mike Claytor" <claytor@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>news:432e1b43$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>> If that's a tattoo, that HAD to hurt!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>> >Wow.
> >>> >
> >>> >Now I feel dirty and confused. Not a good combo.
> >>> >
> >>> >Jimmy
> >>> >
> >>> >"Simpsons fan" <simpsun@fan.com> wrote in message
> >>news:432e0bed$1@linux...
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>After some time trying I came up to the following preset that sounds very
close to UAD1's LA2 compressor
Threshold : -75.2 (around -10 gain reduction)
Ratio 1.20:1
Attack : 0,00120 sec
Release: 0.0052 sec
Lookahead 0.002
Output : 6.4
Let me know if you here it the way I do, close to LA2 of UAD1.
I was trying this hearing a snare (top miced) drum track.
Regards,
DimitriosThis is what I get from being awol so much...
When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
Thanks,
Jeff
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Found it...DUH!
>
>Don
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
>> Hi All
>>
>> I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I noticed
>> Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>If you are running on WinXP with the new FX subsystem installed, wires
will show up as an EDS plug on the inserts.
David.
Jeff Batter wrote:
> This is what I get from being awol so much...
>
> When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
>>Found it...DUH!
>>
>>Don
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
>>
>>>Hi All
>>>
>>>I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I noticed
>
>
>>>Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>>>
>>>thanks
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Radial is terrific.
Also, these guys are really good too.
http://www.cbicables.com/
good luck,
DC
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I know a lot of you guys like Mogami and Canare cables.
>
>Where do you puchase? I'm no pro with the soldering, so I need to get a
>snake to spec.
>
>Last time I bought cables I went with Redco Audio, the company recommended
>by Mercenary for all cabling needs?
>
>Anybody? It's a big investment, and I don't want to waste money.
>
>Jimmy
>
>http://www.myparispro.com/XP.asp
# 7. Install the PARIS XP Effects Subsystem: download minimumsetup.exe
Don
"Jeff Batter" <jeffbatter@cox.net> wrote in message news:432ef6dc$1@linux...
>
> This is what I get from being awol so much...
>
> When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Found it...DUH!
>>
>>Don
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I
>>> noticed
>
>>> Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>It is the first time I've ever envisioned what Homer Simpson would look
like
>with a moustache and goatee.
Hehe... you goose. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.Wheeeew!!!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>It was good for a laugh; ) This is more like the final insult! Ah, now
>look what happened to big hair metal!
>
>"DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote:
>>
>>http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>>
>>I warned you...EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>If you are running on WinXP with the new FX subsystem installed, wires
>will show up as an EDS plug on the inserts.
>
>David.
>
>Jeff Batter wrote:
>> This is what I get from being awol so much...
>>
>> When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Found it...DUH!
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
>>>
>>>>Hi All
>>>>
>>>>I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I noticed
>>
>>
>>>>Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>>>>
>>>>thanks
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I'm running it on 98se.
I guess I'm out of luck for that one.
I need to have use of the ADAT in and out, even
though I'm not synching to ADATS
No such luck with 98se?
Thanks,
Jeff
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>If you are running on WinXP with the new FX subsystem installed, wires
>will show up as an EDS plug on the inserts.
>
>David.
>
>Jeff Batter wrote:
>> This is what I get from being awol so much...
>>
>> When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Found it...DUH!
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
>>>
>>>>Hi All
>>>>
>>>>I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I noticed
>>
>>
>>>>Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>>>>
>>>>thanks
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Well.......it's much cheaper to just buy more Paris converter cards, but for
you guys out there who are using native DAWs with Paris, here's what I'm
doing:
Using Cubase SX as n audio router for an RME HDSP Multiface AD/DA
converter.......
I've got a pair of HDSP 9652's and a Multiface in my Cubase DAW. It is
possible to patch the Multiface analog I/O across Paris submixes and use
them just like Paris input and output modules when tracking.
Lets say the HDSP 9652's in the cubase native DAW are Card 1 and Card 2 and
the HDSP Multiface is Card 3.
If I wanted to route the Card 3 Multiface analog inputs to the HDSP Card 1
ADAT 1-8 inputs, then patch the HDSP Card 1 ADAT 1-8 outputs to
the ADAT 1-8 inputs of Paris, route the audio through Paris,
then patch the Paris ADAT 1-8 outputs to the ADAT 1-8 inputs of
Card 1 and then to the Multiface outputs, it works as follows:
Create project in SX with 16 tracks.
Set inputs of SX tracks 1-8 to Multiface analog inputs 1-8
Set outputs of SX tracks 1 through 8 to Card 1 HDSP ADAT outputs 1-8
Physically patch HDSP Card 1 ADAT outs 1-8 to second DAW inputs 1-8 and
patch second DAW outputs 1-8 to HDSP Card 1 ADAT inputs 1-8
Set inputs of SX tracks 9-16 to HDSP Card 1 ADAT inputs.
Set outputs of SX tracks 9-16 the Multiface analog 1-8.
Now whatever is seen at the Multiface input is sent from the Cubase channel,
output to the ADAT out of HDSP Card 1 to the ADAT input of Paris, routed
through the Paris aux (for cue mix), returned from the ADAT output of Paris
to the ADAT input of HDSP card 1 on Cubase Sx channel 9 and then the output
of Cubase SX channel 9 is the the Multiface analog output.which is sent to a
cue mix system.
I've got 3 x MECs with 2 x ADAT modules in each one. Two of the MECs each
have an A8iT and an A8ot. I've got routing templates set up to patch the RME
converters to any 8 ADAT inputs of any of the three MECs so at any one time
I can have 24 x 24 bit analog inputs with 8 of them routed to whichever MEC
I choose. When used with the RME and Cubase direct ASIO monitoring, there is
no latency....just a direct feed through with the samd appx 1.25ms AD/DA
conversion latency that is inherent in the Paris system. This RAWKS!!
These RME converters sound really good too and even though they are being
routed to/from 20bit Paris ADAT modules, it makes no audible difference
since it's doubtful that they are evercapturing even 20 *true* bits.
Pretty cool..........and soooooo simple. ;o)This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Ya, simple.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:432f9331@linux...
Well.......it's much cheaper to just buy more Paris converter cards, =
but for
you guys out there who are using native DAWs with Paris, here's what =
I'm
doing:
Using Cubase SX as n audio router for an RME HDSP Multiface AD/DA
converter.......
I've got a pair of HDSP 9652's and a Multiface in my Cubase DAW. It is
possible to patch the Multiface analog I/O across Paris submixes and =
use
them just like Paris input and output modules when tracking.
Lets say the HDSP 9652's in the cubase native DAW are Card 1 and Card =
2 and
the HDSP Multiface is Card 3.
If I wanted to route the Card 3 Multiface analog inputs to the HDSP =
Card 1
ADAT 1-8 inputs, then patch the HDSP Card 1 ADAT 1-8 outputs to
the ADAT 1-8 inputs of Paris, route the audio through Paris,
then patch the Paris ADAT 1-8 outputs to the ADAT 1-8 inputs of
Card 1 and then to the Multiface outputs, it works as follows:
Create project in SX with 16 tracks.
Set inputs of SX tracks 1-8 to Multiface analog inputs 1-8
Set outputs of SX tracks 1 through 8 to Card 1 HDSP ADAT outputs 1-8
Physically patch HDSP Card 1 ADAT outs 1-8 to second DAW inputs 1-8 =
and
patch second DAW outputs 1-8 to HDSP Card 1 ADAT inputs 1-8
Set inputs of SX tracks 9-16 to HDSP Card 1 ADAT inputs.
Set outputs of SX tracks 9-16 the Multiface analog 1-8.
Now whatever is seen at the Multiface input is sent from the Cubase =
channel,
output to the ADAT out of HDSP Card 1 to the ADAT input of Paris, =
routed
through the Paris aux (for cue mix), returned from the ADAT output of =
Paris
to the ADAT input of HDSP card 1 on Cubase Sx channel 9 and then the =
output
of Cubase SX channel 9 is the the Multiface analog output.which is =
sent to a
cue mix system.
I've got 3 x MECs with 2 x ADAT modules in each one. Two of the MECs =
each
have an A8iT and an A8ot. I've got routing templates set up to patch =
the RME
converters to any 8 ADAT inputs of any of the three MECs so at any one =
time
I can have 24 x 24 bit analog inputs with 8 of them routed to =
whichever MEC
I choose. When used with the RME and Cubase direct ASIO monitoring, =
there is
no latency....just a direct feed through with the samd appx 1.25ms =
AD/DA
conversion latency that is inherent in the Paris system. This RAWKS!!
These RME converters sound really good too and even though they are =
being
routed to/from 20bit Paris ADAT modules, it makes no audible =
difference
since it's doubtful that they are evercapturing even 20 *true* bits.
Pretty cool..........and soooooo simple. ;o)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ya, simple.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
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wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:432f9331@linux">news:432f9331@linux</A>...</DIV>Well.......i=
t's=20
much cheaper to just buy more Paris converter cards, but for<BR>you =
guys out=20
there who are using native DAWs with Paris, here's what=20
I'm<BR>doing:<BR><BR>Using Cubase SX as n audio router for an RME HDSP =
Multiface AD/DA<BR>converter.......<BR><BR>I've got a pair of HDSP =
9652's and=20
a Multiface in my Cubase DAW. It is<BR>possible to patch the Multiface =
analog=20
I/O across Paris submixes and use<BR>them just like Paris input and =
output=20
modules when tracking.<BR><BR>Lets say the HDSP 9652's in the cubase =
native=20
DAW are Card 1 and Card 2 and<BR>the HDSP Multiface is Card =
3.<BR><BR>If I=20
wanted to route the Card 3 Multiface analog inputs to the HDSP Card=20
1<BR>ADAT 1-8 inputs, then patch the HDSP Card 1 ADAT 1-8 =
outputs=20
to<BR>the ADAT 1-8 inputs of Paris, route the audio through =
Paris,<BR>then=20
patch the Paris ADAT 1-8 outputs to the ADAT 1-8 inputs of<BR>Card 1 =
and then=20
to the Multiface outputs, it works as follows:<BR><BR>Create project =
in SX=20
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inputs=20
1-8<BR><BR>Set outputs of SX tracks 1 through 8 to Card 1 HDSP ADAT =
outputs=20
1-8<BR><BR>Physically patch HDSP Card 1 ADAT outs 1-8 to second DAW =
inputs 1-8=20
and<BR>patch second DAW outputs 1-8 to HDSP Card 1 ADAT inputs =
1-8<BR><BR>Set=20
inputs of SX tracks 9-16 to HDSP Card 1 ADAT inputs.<BR><BR>Set =
outputs of SX=20
tracks 9-16 the Multiface analog 1-8.<BR><BR>Now whatever is seen at =
the=20
Multiface input is sent from the Cubase channel,<BR>output to the ADAT =
out of=20
HDSP Card 1 to the ADAT input of Paris, routed<BR>through the Paris =
aux (for=20
cue mix), returned from the ADAT output of Paris<BR>to the ADAT input =
of HDSP=20
card 1 on Cubase Sx channel 9 and then the output<BR>of Cubase SX =
channel 9 is=20
the the Multiface analog output.which is sent to a<BR>cue mix=20
system.<BR><BR>I've got 3 x MECs with 2 x ADAT modules in each one. =
Two of the=20
MECs each<BR>have an A8iT and an A8ot. I've got routing templates set =
up to=20
patch the RME<BR>converters to any 8 ADAT inputs of any of the three =
MECs so=20
at any one time<BR>I can have 24 x 24 bit analog inputs with 8 of them =
routed=20
to whichever MEC<BR>I choose. When used with the RME and Cubase direct =
ASIO=20
monitoring, there is<BR>no latency....just a direct feed through with =
the samd=20
appx 1.25ms AD/DA<BR>conversion latency that is inherent in the Paris =
system.=20
This RAWKS!!<BR><BR>These RME converters sound really good too and =
even though=20
they are being<BR>routed to/from 20bit Paris ADAT modules, it makes no =
audible=20
difference<BR>since it's doubtful that they are evercapturing even 20 =
*true*=20
bits.<BR><BR><BR>Pretty cool..........and soooooo simple.=20
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;o)
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preamp or is there so much resistance in the circuit that it doesn't really
hurt it because it's not that bigger short (because there's resistors elsewhere
in the circuit)?
Just wondering if I need to wire special leads for this...
Cheers,
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Alex Skolnick Trio - Transformation
Guitar trio with other elements.
Wow, great recording, great playing,
modern with taste.
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5BD87.48C87AE0--"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>So what happens if I just plug in a mono 1/4 inch jack, which I'm guessing
>will simply short one of the balanced pair to ground. Is this bad for the
>preamp or is there so much resistance in the circuit that it doesn't really
>hurt it because it's not that bigger short (because there's resistors elsewhere
>in the circuit)?
>
>Just wondering if I need to wire special leads for this...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
If the output of the pre is transformer coupled, you must tie the negative
side to ground if you can’t do bal-bal.
If the pre is electronically driven, you should generally let the negative
pin float. Some active drivers don’t mind driving directly to ground, but
some do. It’s best to check with the manufacturer.
GeneYou cam use the wires under 98and |Me.
Just install the subsystem as you would do if you had XP.
I run Me and I have the wires showing up.
I have never tried under 98SE but I assume that if Me does it why not
win98SE .....
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Jeff Batter" <jeffbatter@cox.net> wrote in message news:432f6349$1@linux...
>
> I'm running it on 98se.
> I guess I'm out of luck for that one.
> I need to have use of the ADAT in and out, even
> though I'm not synching to ADATS
>
> No such luck with 98se?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
> >If you are running on WinXP with the new FX subsystem installed, wires
> >will show up as an EDS plug on the inserts.
> >
> >David.
> >
> >Jeff Batter wrote:
> >> This is what I get from being awol so much...
> >>
> >> When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Found it...DUH!
> >>>
> >>>Don
> >>>
> >>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>Hi All
> >>>>
> >>>>I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I
noticed
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>Don
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>That's almost exactly what I suspected.
It's an electronic pre, so I guess I'll have to go the "keep the negative
lifted" route to be sure.
Thanks. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>So what happens if I just plug in a mono 1/4 inch jack, which I'm guessing
>>will simply short one of the balanced pair to ground. Is this bad for the
>>preamp or is there so much resistance in the circuit that it doesn't really
>>hurt it because it's not that bigger short (because there's resistors elsewhere
>>in the circuit)?
>>
>>Just wondering if I need to wire special leads for this...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>
>If the output of the pre is transformer coupled, you must tie the negative
>side to ground if you can’t do bal-bal.
>
>If the pre is electronically driven, you should generally let the negative
>pin float. Some active drivers don’t mind driving directly to ground, but
>some do. It’s best to check with the manufacturer.
>Gene
>i knew that was you...i knew that was you...hoooooweeeeeee...dang!
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:00:53 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>......but no simpler than necessary.
>
>;o)Often it stands in the manual if the preamps can use both unbalanced or
balanced jacks. I know most of my preamps can use both. If you don't have a
manual, for the most you can find one on the net.
Erling
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:432fd1a4$1@linux...
>
>
> That's almost exactly what I suspected.
>
> It's an electronic pre, so I guess I'll have to go the "keep the negative
> lifted" route to be sure.
>
> Thanks. :o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>So what happens if I just plug in a mono 1/4 inch jack, which I'm
>>>guessing
>>>will simply short one of the balanced pair to ground. Is this bad for the
>>>preamp or is there so much resistance in the circuit that it doesn't
>>>really
>>>hurt it because it's not that bigger short (because there's resistors
>>>elsewhere
>>>in the circuit)?
>>>
>>>Just wondering if I need to wire special leads for this...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>
>>If the output of the pre is transformer coupled, you must tie the negative
>>side to ground if you can't do bal-bal.
>>
>>If the pre is electronically driven, you should generally let the negative
>>pin float. Some active drivers don't mind driving directly to ground, but
>>some do. It's best to check with the manufacturer.
>>Gene
>>
>UGGGGHHH this one will take a while to get over
"Perry" <puigar@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Wheeeew!!!
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>It was good for a laugh; ) This is more like the final insult! Ah, now
>>look what happened to big hair metal!
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>>>
>>>I warned you...
>Thanks much Dimitrios, that's great to know. I'll at least try it. Is there
any documentation out there that explains the
use of wires?
Jeff
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>You cam use the wires under 98and |Me.
>Just install the subsystem as you would do if you had XP.
>I run Me and I have the wires showing up.
>I have never tried under 98SE but I assume that if Me does it why not
>win98SE .....
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>"Jeff Batter" <jeffbatter@cox.net> wrote in message news:432f6349$1@linux...
>>
>> I'm running it on 98se.
>> I guess I'm out of luck for that one.
>> I need to have use of the ADAT in and out, even
>> though I'm not synching to ADATS
>>
>> No such luck with 98se?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>> >If you are running on WinXP with the new FX subsystem installed, wires
>> >will show up as an EDS plug on the inserts.
>> >
>> >David.
>> >
>> >Jeff Batter wrote:
>> >> This is what I get from being awol so much...
>> >>
>> >> When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Found it...DUH!
>> >>>
>> >>>Don
>> >>>
>> >>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>>>Hi All
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I
>noticed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>thanks
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Don
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
>http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838This is pretty common among the low-end tube gear actually... The
tube is placed in the feedback circuit of an Op-Amp that is passing
the audio. The *barely biased* tube acts as a sort of an "EQ" to
change the sound of the audio running through the IC. IMHO, this is
NOT a proper "tube" circuit, but it does "contain" a tube. As
usual... buyer beware! ;-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838
>
>Yeh........the starved plate thing. I did own a DBX compressor a while back
that used a tube circuit in this way to extremely dramatic effect. I think
it was called a model 566. For this particualy application, it worked pretty
well and it could be removed from the signal flow if desired. That's about
the only example of this technology that I've ever ever heard that I liked.
I've got a coupleof hybrid preamps here...........a Demeter HMP-1 and a TL
Audio 2001. Both of these supply around 200v to the tube circuit, so it's a
bit of a different animal.
Deej
"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:4330696c$1@linux...
> This is pretty common among the low-end tube gear actually... The
> tube is placed in the feedback circuit of an Op-Amp that is passing
> the audio. The *barely biased* tube acts as a sort of an "EQ" to
> change the sound of the audio running through the IC. IMHO, this is
> NOT a proper "tube" circuit, but it does "contain" a tube. As
> usual... buyer beware! ;-)
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
> > http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838
> >
> >Thanks for the advice everyone on my computer problems.
After installing a new power supply with no change I took it to
my local PC shop.Turns out the processor is dead.Thats lame but
also its still under warranty so EastCoast should be able to
change it out no problem.I guess its kinda weird for a 1 1/2 year
old processor to go dead;comps,you gotta love 'em.
Anyway now I can get my money back from the power supply I just
bought since I just got a MAGMA 13 slot;now I'm running with the
big boys.
Anyway thanks again,
PeteI think there is a PDF up there somewhere for it, but essentially think of
it an extra set of sidechain busses.
AA
"Jeff Batter" <jeffbatter@cox.net> wrote in message news:43304eb8$1@linux...
>
> Thanks much Dimitrios, that's great to know. I'll at least try it. Is
> there
> any documentation out there that explains the
> use of wires?
>
> Jeff
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>You cam use the wires under 98and |Me.
>>Just install the subsystem as you would do if you had XP.
>>I run Me and I have the wires showing up.
>>I have never tried under 98SE but I assume that if Me does it why not
>>win98SE .....
>>Regards,
>>Dimitrios
>>"Jeff Batter" <jeffbatter@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:432f6349$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I'm running it on 98se.
>>> I guess I'm out of luck for that one.
>>> I need to have use of the ADAT in and out, even
>>> though I'm not synching to ADATS
>>>
>>> No such luck with 98se?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>>> >If you are running on WinXP with the new FX subsystem installed, wires
>>> >will show up as an EDS plug on the inserts.
>>> >
>>> >David.
>>> >
>>> >Jeff Batter wrote:
>>> >> This is what I get from being awol so much...
>>> >>
>>> >> When was Paris wires released? and where would I go to get it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Jeff
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>Found it...DUH!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Don
>>> >>>
>>> >>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:432d7a3b@linux...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>Hi All
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I just rebuilt my computer and averything is working nicely but I
>>noticed
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>Wires is missing on the FX list...where can I find it?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>thanks
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Don
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>>
>Pete, check that your fan and cooling system is ok, you very well may have
fried it with a slow/seized cooling fan.
AA
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4330700f$1@linux...
>
> Thanks for the advice everyone on my computer problems.
>
> After installing a new power supply with no change I took it to
> my local PC shop.Turns out the processor is dead.Thats lame but
> also its still under warranty so EastCoast should be able to
> change it out no problem.I guess its kinda weird for a 1 1/2 year
> old processor to go dead;comps,you gotta love 'em.
>
> Anyway now I can get my money back from the power supply I just
> bought since I just got a MAGMA 13 slot;now I'm running with the
> big boys.
>
> Anyway thanks again,
> PeteHey, What a great idea!
LED's to light up a tube. Hey! next, they could have a processor that
can tell when you bend the string on your guitar to *just the right
place* and would then light up a big LED "thumbs up" on the
front panel...
Or how about a pitch corrector that shows a pair of big red LED lips
on the front panel smiling when the pitch is being fixed?
Or a limiter that lights up the words ouch! ouch! ouch! in LED's
across the front panel when it catches a peak that would have
clipped something!
Yeah, that's what I need from a tube box. LED's to warm it up!
Stick with Jim Demeter, Summit, Fearn, and all the other great
designers of actual tube gear, and forget Behringer...
just a thought...
DC
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838
>
>What kills me is the CERAMIC tube socket... those LED's must get that
tube pretty hot!! ;-)
David.
DC wrote:
> Hey, What a great idea!
>
> LED's to light up a tube. Hey! next, they could have a processor that
> can tell when you bend the string on your guitar to *just the right
> place* and would then light up a big LED "thumbs up" on the
> front panel...
>
> Or how about a pitch corrector that shows a pair of big red LED lips
> on the front panel smiling when the pitch is being fixed?
>
> Or a limiter that lights up the words ouch! ouch! ouch! in LED's
> across the front panel when it catches a peak that would have
> clipped something!
>
> Yeah, that's what I need from a tube box. LED's to warm it up!
>
> Stick with Jim Demeter, Summit, Fearn, and all the other great
> designers of actual tube gear, and forget Behringer...
>
> just a thought...
>
> DC
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838
>>
>>
>
>I just got a Yamaha sub kik and it sounds GOOD!
I already had a speaker wired to be used th same way, and I thought it sounded
OK...kind of frumpy, but in the mix, it gave the kik some extra oomph. The
Yamaha sounds much better to my ears. Nice ebay snag if I do say so!
RodGood call with the manual. Manual has no mention of unbalanced signals. I
guess I'll have to work on the idea that it's balanced only, and have the
negative lifted.
Thanks for the help.
Cheers,
Kim.
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>Often it stands in the manual if the preamps can use both unbalanced or
>balanced jacks. I know most of my preamps can use both. If you don't have
a
>manual, for the most you can find one on the net.
>
>Erling
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:432fd1a4$1@linux.
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