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In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89144] Thu, 23 August 2007 08:21 Go to next message
Graham Duncan is currently offline  Graham Duncan   UNITED STATES
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gt;
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>Just to be clear...I'm not talking any tight gated Phil collins sounds. You'd
never know anything was used, it would just be clean.
Rod
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Exactly...Thad's band (as I remember some past posts, correct me if I'm
wrong
Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89145 is a reply to message #89144] Thu, 23 August 2007 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Artola is currently offline  Paul Artola   UNITED STATES
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>Thad)like's thing raw. Editing out the in between stuff totally makes for
>a "not organic" sound, and for whatever reason using automation isn't my
>favorite way either...I've tried it several times. I can hear it.
>Using the gates, I can control the bleed, letting as much pass as I want.
>I can still get a raw sound, but just a little more controled. Gates can
>be a pain sometimes also, that's why I've tried automation. But for me,
for
>this kind of music, that's what I'd recommend.
>Rod
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>me too. I use Paris's gates on live drums. But I think what we are dealing
>>with hear is :
>>
>>- Era of Music
>>- Genre Of Music Style.
>>
>>Like Reverb. in the 80's we spattered verb all over the place. Gate verb
>>settings on the kits..
>>
>>90's..Rooms settings and Plates..
>>
>>New Mille
Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89146 is a reply to message #89145] Thu, 23 August 2007 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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nium- Dry,to natural ambience is the sound ..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Wow, after reading the other posts, I feel kind of wierd saying this,
but
>>>I like to use gates on the toms. I like the Paris gate a lot. I use the
>>analog
>>>x gate or sinus Golden gate if I want to render the tracks. I do a lot
>of
>>>drum tracks for people and this works really good for me, and everyone
>always
>>>comments on likeing my toms. I like them because I can let how ever much
>>>"rumble" I want to get through. I don't use any lookahead on the Paris
>gate.
>>>With no lookahead,it adds 2 samples latency, usually not a big deal, and
>>>sometimes I like the coloration, but if I want to have them totally transparent,
>>>I just back the toms up 1 paris ms, and add 78 samples, via sampleslide.
>>>This will make them totally sample accurate. I like the Paris gates better
>>>than the other 2 that I mentioned, but the native ones have no latency,
>>and
>>>work well also.
>>>I've tried the automation thing with the toms, and for me it's not as
good.
>>>I really don't like cutting the space out between the toms all together,
>>>it sounds too much like "parts is parts"
>>>
>>>I don't do anything gate wise to the kik or snare.
>>>
>>>FWIW, I'm currently mixing an album that I played on most of the tracks
>>but
>>>the artist hired a "BIG" name drummer for a couple tracks, like one of
>the
>>>biggest, who i
Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89147 is a reply to message #89144] Thu, 23 August 2007 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
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s known for his drum sound and engineering chops. The artist
>>>really liked my tom sound better than his, soooo, I'm mixing his tracks
>>to
>>>make them sound like mine. Thankfully he didn't gate the toms on the multi
>>>tracks, I'm gating them, but letting "just enough" through to glue everything
>>>together.
>>>Anyway that's how I like to do it, it really does depend on the drummer
>>though.
>>>If the Hihat is bleeding all over the snare mic, then it may be time for
>>>drumagog.
>>>Rod
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Greetings, Parisians! After missing AES thanks to work in the office
I
>>spent
>>>>the rest of the weekend in a stinking hot recording room doing Monkiedrums.
>>>>So then, I how have six tunes
Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89148 is a reply to message #89147] Thu, 23 August 2007 15:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Graham Duncan is currently offline  Graham Duncan   UNITED STATES
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to edit.
>>>>
>>>>In previous experiences doing this lovely task I have manually edited
>all
>>>>of the kick/snare/tom mics instead of using gates to get rid of extra
>sonic
>>>>trash bleeding through from the rest of the kit.
>>>>
>>>>First, do you folks who work a lot with acoustic drums usually do this?
>>>If
>>>>not, do you do something else?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
>Hi Chris,
Do you have any experience with the new Intel P35 chipset? I see
there's plenty of these motherboards out now.

Erling


On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:51:43 -0400, "Chris Ludwig"
<chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:

>Hi DJ,
>If you are thinking about a single socket 775 board then this one is
>excellent. It uses the P35 chipset so is compatibel with the 1333mhz fsb
>chips. It
Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89158 is a reply to message #89147] Fri, 24 August 2007 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Graham Duncan is currently offline  Graham Duncan   UNITED STATES
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gt;>>>>>>>>> even when they are working at 44.1K. Not these. They =
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you can download these at www.mikeaudet.com/ensoniq.ca or
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These plugins are released as "pay what you can" (ie - not =
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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>>>> not a rich man, and I could use the help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As always, let me know what you think.
>&
Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89162 is a reply to message #89144] Sat, 25 August 2007 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89169 is a reply to message #89162] Sun, 26 August 2007 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chuck duffy is currently offline  chuck duffy
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Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89170 is a reply to message #89169] Sun, 26 August 2007 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dedric Terry is currently offline  Dedric Terry   UNITED STATES
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Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89179 is a reply to message #89170] Mon, 27 August 2007 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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gt;>>>Mike,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The Mac stuff is built under Code Warrior, not visual C++. It's
=
>a real
> >>>>nightmare,
> >>>>>and if you think it was hard to grok the Visual C++ side, think =
>about
> >>doing
> >>>>>it with no reference projects. Yikes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Chuck
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Mike Mullin" <lunarlordship@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'm in and thanks Mike.
> >>>>>>cheers,
> >>>>>>Mike Mullin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Do we have four Mac users other than me whowould be willing to
=
>kick
> >>in
> >>>>>$20
> >>>>>>>each?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks Mike!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Gantt
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I would really like to tackle the Mac stuff, but I don't have
=
>a Mac
> >>>running
> >>>>>>>>PARIS and I'm pretty sure that I need a copy of Visual C++ 4.2
=
>cross
> >>>>platform
> >>>>>>>>edition just to compile the code. The cheapest I've seen it =
>for
> is
> >>>around
> >>>>>>>>$80 plus shipping. If a Mac user wants to send me a copy or =
>the
> $100
> >>>>>(I
> >>>>>>>>live in Canada and shipping is always stupid expensive), I'll
=
>get
> >to
> >>>>work
> >>>>>>>>on it.
> >>>>>>>>But even then, I can't make any promises except to try.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>All the best,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Mike
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>Deeeewwwwwwwwwd..... As soon as these 15-18 hr days cease, I
=
>will
> >>be
> >>>>>all
> >>>>>>
Re: In search of a cheap + decent midi keyboard controller... [message #89188 is a reply to message #89179] Mon, 27 August 2007 16:20 Go to previous message
chuck duffy is currently offline  chuck duffy
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