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| Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59624] |
Thu, 27 October 2005 23:22  |
Tom Bruhl
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>>the same thing</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in a different project. ie: Same =
>>stereo=20
>>plugin inserted</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on another stereo pair of tracks. =
>>Now can you=20
>>save?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If so it may be your project. If =
>>not it's=20
>>probably your plugin.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>>message=20
>> <A =
>>href=3D"news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Than=
>>ks=20
>> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware method via
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>>adat=20
>> and achieved one nice<BR>compact stereo track with my acoustic =
>>guitars, I even=20
>> saved all audio files<BR>on new folder and saved under new name I used
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>>the=20
>> clear missing files just<BR>before that but again no luck when I =
>>put a=20
>> stereo native effect on this stereotrack<BR>even without hitting =
>>play =20
>> when I try to save assertion fails and doesn't<BR>allow of any save =
>>!<BR>Note=20
>> that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve=20
>> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>Rendering is your=20
>> answer. Don't render tracks with plugins. In=20
>> stereo<BR>=3D<BR>>the right side=3D20<BR>>won't have any =
>>effect. =20
>> Double check to see that their timing is =
>>correct<BR>=3D<BR>>too.<BR>>Some=20
>> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> "erlilo" =
>><<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
>>message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>> There=20
>> you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look =
>>=3D<BR>>after=20
>> that=3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending at the =
>>same=20
>> places will do the<BR>=3D<BR>>job=3D20<BR>> when saving =
>>under a new=20
>> name, just to be sure to go back if =
>>something<BR>=3D<BR>>are=3D20<BR>> =20
>> going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some of=20
>> =3D<BR>>the=3D20<BR>> stereofiles, you can rendering the =
>>old, hard=20
>> way, as in version 2, =3D<BR>>when=3D20<BR>> mixing down =
>>each=20
>> stereopair with panning hard left and right and =3D<BR>>muting=20
>> all=3D20<BR>> other tracks. Then you can import them into the =
>>project=20
>> again on their<BR>=3D<BR>>old=3D20<BR>> places and give =
>>them new=20
>> names.<BR>><BR>> Erling<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>>"Dimitrios"=20
>> <<A href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
>>skrev i=20
>> melding =3D<BR>>news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>> =
>>><BR>> =20
>> > Hi,<BR>> > Thanks for your replies.<BR>> =
>>> What I=20
>> have managed is to have the same start and end for both=20
>> audio<BR>=3D<BR>>files<BR>> > just by cutting at cursor =
>>pointy on=20
>> both tracks.<BR>> > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of =
>>themhas=20
>> different cut points<BR>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>> > =
>>joint<BR>> =20
>> > points , does this matter?<BR>> > If you ask me why =
>>it is=20
>> because these tracks are not actually =
>>stereo<BR>=3D<BR>>but<BR>> =20
>> > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove different=20
>> parts<BR>=3D<BR>>on=3D20<BR>> > each<BR>> > =
>>of the=20
>> "stereo" tracks to make them on time.<BR>> > I want a =
>>stereo=20
>> effect because I wanna expand the stereo=20
>> perspective<BR>=3D<BR>>of=3D20<BR>> > =
>>them<BR>> >=20
>> pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>> > Have you tried =
>>T-racks=20
>> compressor's stereo widening knob ?? !!<BR>> > Amazing =
>>stereo=20
>> result with complete mono compatibility , not like=20
>> =3D<BR>>waves=3D20<BR>> > imager<BR>> > at=20
>> all...<BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> > =
>>DImitrios<BR>> =20
>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "Ennio" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>> >>The in-points (and out-points) on both =
>>sides of=20
>> the stereo file must<BR>=3D<BR>>be<BR>> > =
>>at<BR>> =20
>> >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest down you =
>>can=20
>> =3D<BR>>go on<BR>> > the<BR>> >>zoom=20
>> tool)<BR>> >><BR>> >>"erlilo" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
>>message <A=20
>> href=3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>> =20
>> >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or no=20
>> different<BR>=3D<BR>>holes<BR>> >>in<BR>> =20
>> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>> =20
>> >>><BR>> >>> Erling<BR>> =20
>> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev i=20
>> melding=3D20<BR>> >>> <A=20
>> =
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59635 is a reply to message #59624] |
Fri, 28 October 2005 07:30  |
John Macy
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ilo@online.no" target="_blank">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D20
>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>> > =
>>href=3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>There
>> =3D
>> >you have=3D20
>> > the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after that =
>><BR>each
>> =3D
>> >
>> > stereopair is starting and ending at the same places will do the =
>>job =3D
>> ><BR>when=3D20
>> > saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if something =
>>are =3D
>> ><BR>going=3D20
>> > wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some of =
>>the=3D20
>> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in version
> =
>>2,
>> =3D
>> >when=3D20
>> > <BR>mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left and right =
>>and =3D
>> >muting=3D20
>> > all <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the project =
>>again
>> =3D
>> >on their=3D20
>> > old <BR>places and give them new =3D
>> >names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitrios"=3D20
>> > <<A href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
>>=3D
>> >skrev i=3D20
>> > melding <A=3D20
>> > =3D
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>>=3D
>> >t;=3D20
>> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have managed is to =
>>=3D
>> >have=3D20
>> > the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by cutting at
> =
>>=3D
>> >cursor=3D20
>> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks each of
> =
>>=3D
>> >themhas=3D20
>> > different cut points and <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does this=3D20
>> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not =
>>=3D
>> >actually=3D20
>> > stereo but<BR>> two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D
>> >tomove=3D20
>> > different parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to =3D
>> >make them=3D20
>> > on time.<BR>> I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the =3D
>> >stereo=3D20
>> > perspective of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and hard=3D20
>> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening =3D
>> >knob ??=3D20
>> > !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono compatibility , =
>>=3D
>> >not like=3D20
>> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at all...<BR>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D20
>> > DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio" <<A=3D20
>> > href=3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D20
>> > wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides of the =3D
>> >stereo=3D20
>> > file must be<BR>> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the =3D
>> >sample=3D20
>> > (the furthest down you can go on<BR>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D20
>> > tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" <<A=3D20
>> > href=3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
>>=3D
>> >message <A=3D20
>> > =3D
>> >href=3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>>>> =3D
>> >Is it=3D20
>> > exactly the same length on each stereo files or no different=3D20
>> > holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the stereo=3D20
>> > objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D20
>> > Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
>> > href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev
> =
>>i =3D
>> >melding=3D20
>> > <BR>>>> <A=3D20
>> > =3D
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=3D=
>>
>> >t;=3D20
>> > ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have almost =3D
>> >finished my=3D20
>> > project mixing and when I try to put a <BR>>>> >=3D20
>> > stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > effect on any =3D
>> >audio=3D20
>> > track on any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =3D
>> >get<BR>>>>=3D20
>> > > assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on =3D
>> >same name=3D20
>> > or other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use =3D
>> >stereo=3D20
>> > effects as I did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know =3D
>> >why=3D20
>> > Paris doesn't let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D
>> >>=3D20
>> > =3D
>> >Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>=3D
>> >=3D20
>> > <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are you saying you can save before this
> =
>>stereo=20
>>plugin</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is inserted? I'd say you may have =
>>a rouge=20
>>plugin that</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't =
>>like. Try=20
>>the same thing</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in a different project. ie: Same =
>>stereo=20
>>plugin inserted</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on another stereo pair of tracks. =
>>Now can you=20
>>save?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If so it may be your project. If =
>>not it's=20
>>probably your plugin.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59687 is a reply to message #59635] |
Sat, 29 October 2005 18:49 |
Dale
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f="mailto:erlilo@online.no" target="_blank">erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in
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>=3D
> >>message <A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>=3D20
> >> >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or no=3D20
> >> different<BR>=3D3D<BR>>holes<BR>> >>in<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>><BR>> >>> Erling<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev
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>i=3D20
> >> melding=3D3D20<BR>> >>> <A=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>href=3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>=3D
> >>=3D20
> >> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Hi,<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I =3D
> >>try to=3D20
> >> put a<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> >>> > =3D
> >>stereo<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =3D
> >>audio=3D20
> >> track on any submix when I try to save I =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>always<BR>> >=3D20
> >> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>> =3D
> >>>>> >=3D20
> >> failed and cannot save either on same name or other...<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as =3D
> >>I did=3D20
> >> before<BR>=3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> >>don't<BR>> =3D
> >>>>>=3D20
> >> > know why Paris doesn't let to...<BR>> >>> >=3D20
> >> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> =3D
> >>>><BR>> =3D20
> >> >><BR>> =3D
> >>>=3D3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE=3D20
> >> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20
> >> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D20
> >> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =3D
> >>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20
> >> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=3D
> >>D><BR>><BODY=3D20
> >> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D
> >>ONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Rendering is your answer. Don't =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>render=3D20
> >> tracks=3D3D20<BR>>with plugins. In stereo the right side=3D20
> >> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>have=3D20
> >> any=3D3D20<BR>>effect. Double check to see that their timing is =
>=3D
> >>correct=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2>Some people have problems with=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>that.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR >=3D
> >>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D20
> >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
>=3D
> >>#000000 2px=3D20
> >> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"erlilo" =3D
> >><<A=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D20'>mailto=
>:erlil=3D
> >>o@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>> =3D20
> >> wrote in message <A=3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Ther=
>e'>n=3D
> >>ews:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=3D
> >>ere</A><BR>=3D3D<BR>>you=3D20
> >> have=3D3D20<BR>> the problem. I think rendering the tracks and =3D
> >>look after=3D20
> >> that <BR>each<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> stereopair is =3D
> >>starting and=3D20
> >> ending at the same places will do the job=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>><BR>when=3D3D20<BR>> saving under a new name, =3D
> >>just to be=3D20
> >> sure to go back if something are =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>><BR>going=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some =
>of=3D20
> >> the=3D3D20<BR>> <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D
> >>old, hard=3D20
> >> way, as in version 2,<BR>=3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >><BR>mixing down=3D20
> >> each stereopair with panning hard left and right and=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D20<BR>> all <BR>other tracks. Then =3D
> >>you can=3D20
> >> import them into the project again<BR>=3D3D<BR>>on =3D
> >>their=3D3D20<BR>> old=3D20
> >> <BR>places and give them new=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>=3D
> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> <<A href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musu=
>rgio=3D
> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>skrev i=3D3D20<BR>> melding <A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>
> >> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&=
>=3D
> >>g'>news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D
> >>><BR>&g</A>=3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have =3D
> >>managed=3D20
> >> is to =3D3D<BR>>have=3D3D20<BR>> the same start and end for =3D
> >>both audio=3D20
> >> files<BR>> just by cutting at =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>cursor=3D3D20<BR>> pointy=3D20
> >> on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks each of=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>themhas=3D3D20<BR>> different cut points and =3D
> >><BR>>=3D20
> >> joint<BR>> points , does this=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>matter?<BR>>=3D20
> >> If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>actually=3D3D20<BR>> stereo but<BR>> two =3D
> >>takes of=3D20
> >> acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D3D<BR>>tomove=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>different=3D20
> >> parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>make them=3D3D20<BR>> on time.<BR>> I want =3D
> >>a stereo=3D20
> >> effect because I wanna expand the =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>perspective=3D20
> >> of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and=3D20
> >> hard=3D3D20<BR>> right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks =3D
> >>compressor's=3D20
> >&g
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59689 is a reply to message #59687] |
Sat, 29 October 2005 21:06 |
Deej [1]
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k">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>>&n=3D
> >>bsp;=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides =3D
> >>of the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> file must be<BR>>=3D20
> >> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>sample=3D3D20<BR>> (the furthest down you can go=3D20
> >> on<BR>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" =3D
> >><<A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@o=
>nlin=3D
> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>message <A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR'>news:438f=
>4d36=3D
> >>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>Is it=3D3D20<BR>> exactly the same length on each =3D
> >>stereo files=3D20
> >> or no different=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the=3D20
> >> stereo=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >>objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musu=
>rgio=3D
> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> skrev i =3D3D<BR>>melding=3D3D20<BR>> <BR>>>>=3D20
> >> <A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g'>=
>=3D
> >>news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=3D
> >>;>&g</A>=3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have =3D
> >>almost=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>finished my=3D3D20<BR>> project mixing and when I =3D
> >>try to put a=3D20
> >> <BR>>>> >=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>stereo<BR>>>> >=3D20
> >> native<BR>>>> > effect on any=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>audio=3D3D20<BR>> track on any submix when I try to =3D
> >>save I=3D20
> >> always<BR>> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>get<BR>>>>=3D3D20<BR>> >=3D20
> >> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>same name=3D3D20<BR>> or =3D
> >>other...<BR>>>> > The=3D20
> >> problem is that I want to use =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>effects as I=3D20
> >> did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>why=3D3D20<BR>> Paris doesn't let =3D
> >>to...<BR>>>>=3D20
> >> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>
> >> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>=3D
> >>;>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>=3D
> >><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with Erlilo. Try =
>different channels=20
>or a different</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>submix if you can. Otherwise =
>rebuilding the=20
>mix from</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>scratch in a new project is the next =
>best=20
>bet. Copy all</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mixer settings and presets of effects =
>to make it=20
>easier.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>t;=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43908331$1@linux">news:43908331$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
>trios,=20
> You probably know this, but just to make sure...<BR>If you want to use
=
>stereo=20
> native plugins, you can NOT have any mono plugins<BR>on those tracks.
=
>That=20
> goes for native and EDS.<BR>Do you have any mono eds or native plugs =
>also on=20
> the stereo pair?<BR>Rod<BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Dear Tom,<BR>>It is not the plugin under =
>other song I=20
> can open a stereo native effect.<BR>>In my project I cannot open =
>ANY stereo=20
> effect.<BR>>Even chainer only...<BR>>I can save my project no =
>problem if=20
> I don't use a stereo native effect.<BR>>ALSO on submix 3 I managed =
>toopen a=20
> stereo native effect but not on submix<BR>>1 or 4 , any suggestion=20
> ?<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Dimitrios,<BR>>>Are =
>you saying=20
> you can save before this stereo plugin<BR>>>is inserted? =
>I'd say=20
> you may have a rouge plugin that<BR>>>your wrapper or Paris just =
>doesn't=20
> like. Try the same thing<BR>>>in a different =
>project. ie:=20
> Same stereo plugin inserted<BR>>>on another stereo pair of =
>tracks. =20
> Now can you save?<BR>>>If so it may be your project. If =
>not it's=20
> probably your plugin.<BR>>><BR>>>Good=20
> luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> =3D<BR>>>news:43906b78$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>> =
>Thanks for=20
> your suggestions.<BR>>> I have rendered using the hardware =
>method=20
> via adat and achieved one =3D<BR>>>nice<BR>>> =
>compact stereo=20
> track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved all=20
> audio<BR>>=3D<BR>>>files<BR>>> on new folder and =
>saved=20
> under new name I used the clear missing =20
> files<BR>>=3D<BR>>>just<BR>>> before that but =
>again no luck=20
> when I put a stereo native effect on =3D<BR>>>this=20
> stereotrack<BR>>> even without hitting play when I =
>try to=20
> save assertion fails and =3D<BR>>>doesn't<BR>>> =
>allow of any=20
> save !<BR>>> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when =
>I hit=20
> SAve ...<BR>>> rEGARDS,<BR>>> =20
> dIMITRIOS<BR>>><BR>>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =
>
> >Dimitrios,<BR>>> >Rendering is your answer. =
>Don't=20
> render tracks with plugins. In =
>=3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >the right side=3D3D20<BR>>> =
>>won't have=20
> any effect. Double check to see that their timing is=20
> =3D<BR>>>correct<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >too.<BR>>> >Some people have problems with=20
> that.<BR>>> >Tom<BR>>> > "erlilo" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> =3D<BR>>>news:43900b57$
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59706 is a reply to message #59689] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 11:43 |
cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005
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><<A=3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@onlin=
>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=20
> wrote in =3D<BR>>>message <A=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =3D<BR>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR'>news:4390=
>0b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>=20
> =3D<BR>>> There=3D20<BR>>> you have the problem. I =
>think=20
> rendering the tracks and look=20
> =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>after=3D20<BR>>> =20
> that=3D3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending at =
>the=20
> =3D<BR>>>same=3D20<BR>>> places will do=20
> the<BR>=3D3D<BR>>job=3D3D20<BR>> when saving=20
> =3D<BR>>>under a new=3D20<BR>>> name, just to be =
>sure to go back=20
> if =
>=3D<BR>>>something<BR>=3D3D<BR>>are=3D3D20<BR>=
>>=20
> =3D20<BR>>> going wrong again. If the time alignments are =
>going=20
> wrong in some of=3D20<BR>>> =
>=3D3D<BR>>the=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D<BR>>>old, =
>hard=3D20<BR>>> =20
> way, as in version 2, =3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D20<BR>> =
>mixing down=20
> =3D<BR>>>each=3D20<BR>>> stereopair with panning =
>hard left and=20
> right and =3D3D<BR>>muting=3D20<BR>>> =
>all=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> other tracks. Then you can import them into the=20
> =3D<BR>>>project=3D20<BR>>> again on=20
> their<BR>=3D3D<BR>>old=3D3D20<BR>> places and =
>give=20
> =3D<BR>>>them new=3D20<BR>>> =
>names.<BR>><BR>>=20
> Erling<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>"Dimitrios"=3D20<BR>>> <<A =
>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>skrev i=3D20<BR>>> melding=20
> =3D3D<BR>>news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>><BR>> =3D20<BR>>> > =
>Hi,<BR>>=20
> > Thanks for your replies.<BR>> =3D<BR>>>> What=20
> I=3D20<BR>>> have managed is to have the same start and =
>end for=20
> both=3D20<BR>>> =
>audio<BR>=3D3D<BR>>files<BR>>=20
> > just by cutting at cursor =3D<BR>>>pointy =
>on=3D20<BR>>> =20
> both tracks.<BR>> > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of =
>
> =3D<BR>>>themhas=3D20<BR>>> different cut=20
> points<BR>=3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D20<BR>> >=20
> =3D<BR>>>joint<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> > points =
>, does this=20
> matter?<BR>> > If you ask me why =3D<BR>>>it=20
> is=3D20<BR>>> because these tracks are not actually=20
> =3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>=3D3D<BR>>but<BR>>=20
> =3D20<BR>>> > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I =
>had=20
> tomove different=3D20<BR>>> =20
> parts<BR>=3D3D<BR>>on=3D3D20<BR>> > =
>each<BR>>=20
> > =3D<BR>>>of the=3D20<BR>>> "stereo" tracks to =
>make them on=20
> time.<BR>> > I want a =
>=3D<BR>>>stereo=3D20<BR>>> =20
> effect because I wanna expand the stereo=3D20<BR>>> =20
> perspective<BR>=3D3D<BR>>of=3D3D20<BR>> >=20
> =3D<BR>>>them<BR>> >=3D20<BR>>> pl;aying =
>hard left=20
> and hard right.<BR>> > Have you tried=20
> =3D<BR>>>T-racks=3D20<BR>>> compressor's stereo =
>widening knob ??=20
> !!<BR>> > Amazing =
>=3D<BR>>>stereo=3D20<BR>>> result=20
> with complete mono compatibility , not like=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>waves=3D3D20<BR>> > =
>imager<BR>> >=20
> at=3D20<BR>>> all...<BR>> > =
>Cheers,<BR>> >=20
> =3D<BR>>>DImitrios<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =
>><BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > "Ennio" <<A=3D20<BR>>> =
>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D20'>mailto:e=
>nnio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D20</A><BR>>&g=
>t; =20
> wrote:<BR>> >>The in-points (and out-points) on both=20
> =3D<BR>>>sides of=3D20<BR>>> the stereo file=20
> must<BR>=3D3D<BR>>be<BR>> >=20
> =3D<BR>>>at<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> >>the =
>identical spot=20
> - down to the sample (the furthest down you=20
> =3D<BR>>>can=3D20<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>go =
>on<BR>>=20
> > the<BR>> >>zoom=3D20<BR>>> =
>tool)<BR>>=20
> >><BR>> >>"erlilo" =
><<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@onlin=
>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=20
> wrote in =3D<BR>>>message <A=3D20<BR>>> =
>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR'>news:438f4d36=
>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>=20
> =3D20<BR>>> >>> Is it exactly the same length on =
>each=20
> stereo files or no=3D20<BR>>> =20
> different<BR>=3D3D<BR>>holes<BR>>=20
> >>in<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> >>> any of =
>the stereo=20
> objects?<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =
>>>><BR>>=20
> >>> Erling<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios"=20
> <<A=3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
> skrev i=3D20<BR>>> melding=3D3D20<BR>> =
>>>>=20
> <A=3D20<BR>>> =3D<BR>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR'>news:438f=
>3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>>> >>> ><BR>> =
>
> >>> > Hi,<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =
>>>> > I=20
> have almost finished my project mixing and when I =3D<BR>>>try=20
> to=3D20<BR>>> put =
>a<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>>=20
> >>> > =3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>> =
>=3D20<BR>>> =20
> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =
>
> =3D<BR>>>audio=3D20<BR>>> track on any submix when I =
>try to save=20
> I =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>always<BR>> =
>>=3D20<BR>>> =20
> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>>>> >=3D20<BR>>> failed and =
>cannot save=20
> either on same name or other...<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
> >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as=20
> =3D<BR>>>I did=3D20<BR>>> =20
> before<BR>=3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> =
>>>don't<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>>>>=3D20<BR>>> > know why Paris =
>doesn't let=20
> to...<BR>> >>> >=3D20<BR>>> =20
> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>>=20
> =3D20<BR>>> >>><BR>> =
>>>><BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>>><BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
> >><BR>>=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>>>=3D3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>><B=
>R>><!DOCTYPE=3D20<BR>>> =20
> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =
>Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>>=
><META=3D20<BR>>> =20
> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type =
>content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>
> =3D<BR>>>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20<BR>>> =20
> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></ST=
>YLE><BR>></HEA=3D<BR>>>D><BR>><BODY=3D=
>20<BR>>> =20
> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>>size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR&=
>gt;><DIV><F=3D<BR>>>ONT=3D20<BR>>> =20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Rendering is your answer. Don't=20
> =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>render=3D20<BR>>> =20
> tracks=3D3D20<BR>>with plugins. In stereo the right=20
> side=3D20<BR>>> =20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> size=3D3D3D2>won't =
></FONT><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>have=3D20<BR>>>&n=
>bsp;=20
> any=3D3D20<BR>>effect. Double check to see that their timing =
>is=20
> =3D<BR>>>correct=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =
>=3D3D<BR>>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=
><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> =
>size=3D3D3D2>Some people=20
> have problems with=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =
>=3D3D<BR>>that.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=
>;<FONT=3D20<BR>>> =20
> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>=
><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR>=3D<BR>>>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RI=
>GHT:=3D20<BR>>> =20
> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>=3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT:=20
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59709 is a reply to message #59706] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 13:39 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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f="mailto:1@linux" target="_blank">1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D<BR>>>=
>;><BR>&g</A>=3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D20<BR>>=
>=20
> =3D20<BR>>> Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your =
>replies.<BR>>=20
> What I have =3D<BR>>>managed=3D20<BR>>> is to=20
> =3D3D<BR>>have=3D3D20<BR>> the same start and end =
>for=20
> =3D<BR>>>both audio=3D20<BR>>> files<BR>> =
>just by=20
> cutting at =
>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>cursor=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> pointy=3D20<BR>>> on both tracks.<BR>> Buit =
>insight the=20
> stereo tracks each of=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>themhas=3D3D20<BR>> different cut points =
>and=20
> =3D<BR>>><BR>>=3D20<BR>>> =
>joint<BR>> points ,=20
> does this=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>matter?<BR>>=3D20<BR>>> If you ask =
>me why it=20
> is because these tracks are not=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>actually=3D3D20<BR>> stereo =
>but<BR>> two=20
> =3D<BR>>>takes of=3D20<BR>>> acoustic guitar playing =
>so I had=20
> =3D3D<BR>>tomove=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>different=3D20<BR>>> parts on =
><BR>>=20
> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>make them=3D3D20<BR>> on =
>time.<BR>> I want=20
> =3D<BR>>>a stereo=3D20<BR>>> effect because I wanna =
>expand the=20
> =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>perspective=3D20<BR>>> of <BR>>=20
> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and=3D20<BR>>> =20
> hard=3D3D20<BR>> right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks=20
> =3D<BR>>>compressor's=3D20<BR>>> stereo widening=20
> =3D3D<BR>>knob ??=3D3D20<BR>> !!<BR>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>Amazing=3D20<BR>>> stereo result with =
>complete mono=20
> compatibility , =3D3D<BR>>not=3D20<BR>>> =20
> like=3D3D20<BR>> waves <BR>> imager<BR>>=20
> at=3D20<BR>>> all...<BR>>=20
> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
> "Ennio"=3D20<BR>>> <<A=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D'mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net=
></A>>=3D3D20'>mailto:e=3D<BR>>>nnio@galicorp.net">en=
>nio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>>&n=3D<BR=
>>>>bsp;=3D20<BR>>> =20
> wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides=20
> =3D<BR>>>of the=3D20<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> file must=20
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>"Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in news:438f9926@linux:
> Thanks man.
>
> Rob
No problem. I like Hubauer's work on those songs.
I've been on the PARIS newsgroups (off and on) for years. I saved a post
from Hubauer on the way he recorded the songs. I'm including the post
below.
------------------------------------------------------------ -----
Newsgroups: IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:30:52 -0500
Subject: Re: New PARIS Recording Released! (Christmas Music!)
From: Bill Hubauer <bill@hubauer.com>
In article <3A215D57.2080301@condor.wla.com> Steve Klein,
opto@condor.wla.com writes:
>So tell us about the production. Did you record straight into Paris?
>Details details.
I have a one card system with two 8-in cards.
I tracked the drums using some Audix and AKG mics via the preamps on a
Mackie 24*4 board (took the feed out the insert of each channel)
Electric Guitars are in via a POD, all acoustic guitars, voices, etc.,
via a RODE NT2 and a Joemeek VC1
Bass via Joemeek VC1 and/or a David Eden bass preamp
Keyboards direct.
I used all EDS effects except for using WAVEs RenComp on a number of
things. (For the life of me, I can't figure out the EDS compressor... The
controls are VERY touchy)
>PS You should have made the MP3's sound at least a little bad. I listed
>to a few and I'm wondering, with that quality, who's going to buy the
>album? :0)
Excellent point. You went to the site and found out who we are.
Mission acomplished. If you want to trim your tree to this music, you will
probably buy a CD (it's only 8 bucks)
:-)
Also, I'm HOPING you will tell all your friends about us!
Mastering Note:
I have worked with Sakis in the past on the mastering and have been
pleased with the results. This time however, I was right down to the wire
(it needed to be out by Thanksgiving), and simply didn't have time for
professional mastering.
I mastered it
myself (always a bad idea!) using DYNASONE by Prosoniq. It was a
frustrating experience, but the end result sounds reasonable... Put it this
way, I hear problems with it, but it sounds better than some "professionally
mastered" material that I've heard.
Thanks for listening!
Bill
ps. Please tell anyone who might be interested about this music!!Thad,
I understand your point, and to be sure, Apple could be more cooperative
with third party programmers, but what you have to remember is, most of us
aren't "programmers". Most of us don't want anything to do with the inner
workings of our computers. We just want them to run our chosen software, be
user friendly and not crash. For a "non-programmer" type person like me, the
Mac has been my choice. At first because they were the only game in town
(1986), and now because I have so much legacy software that switching would
cost a fortune, but I digress. ;>) Anyway, I envy you guys for having the
smarts to get open source software to work for you and even the PC guys who
have to know a lot more "technical" stuff to tweak their PC's into smooth
running speed beasts. Now, get to work on an open source brain/computer
interface so I can make the music I hear in my head, instead of the music my
lousy fingers are capable of! ;>)
Tony
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43908fa7$1@linux...
>
> Well, one of the reasons I am so opposed to proprietary software and
> hardware
> in general is my experience with PARIS. People often confuse free software
> with money cost, which really isn't the point, IHMO. Stallman talked about
> "free as in speech and free as in beer" and the big one to me is the
> first.
> If I need a new perl module or I want to install a new package on my
> Debian
> boxes, and there's a problem I can open up the installer script and see
> what's
> going on. Oh, it's expecting an older C compiler in a different place.
> Find
> and replace "gcc3" with "CC" and off we go. Try that with any other OS.
> That
> kind of control matters *a lot* to me these days.
>
> I also find it supremely ironic that Apple is considered to be a foward
> looking,
> innovative company for making a Unix based OS. They chose the least
> restrictive
> license on planet earth and have grudgingly followed the letter of the law
> for all of code not under the "go ahead and steal it" BSD structure. There
> have been constant bubbling complaints from the KDE crowd about getting
> code
> back to the community. On the other side, stodgy old IBM works with GPL
> code
> as model citizens and even pays for lawyers to defend that code from silly
> law suits.
>
> In any case, there's no way VST will ever make it to GPL'd code so I'm
> stuck
> with one Windows box no matter what. That said, the ALSA guys do really
> good
> work under Linux, it's too bad it will be so underexploited.
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks for sharing your info about your Linux experience, Thad. That's
>>good to hear. My old PARIS Intel box has became my Linux/BeOS box.
>>
>>I've used a lot of different hardware and OS combinations over the
>>years. OSX with its command line, UNIX roots and tons of media
>>production software has covered my primary computing needs fairly well
>>for the last couple of years. However things are steadily progressing in
>
>>Linux land and I think it has a bright future.
>>
>>I hear you about proprietary systems. I'm not against them except when
>>they are used to force out competition through means other than on their
>
>>technical merits, as Microsoft has notably done. And on the flip side,
>>their vulnerability in manipulated markets, as the Amiga and BeOS ably
>>demonstrated. Open source has become the best way to survive in this
>>environment. Even Apple is participating in open source to an extent at
>
>>the kernel and browser levels.
>>
>>I am not opposed to companies making money on their technology when
>>competing fairly on merits and pushing the envelope to provide needed
>>tools. I'm happy to pay fair prices for hardware and software when they
>
>>meets my needs, and to support talented engineers in the quest. I
>>originally bought PARIS for that reason.
>>
>>But using monopolistic leveraging, Orwellian marketspeak, and swallowing
>
>>other companies while killing a lot of great competitive tech and
>>promoting marginal tech, that kind of behavior doesn't endear much
>>respect.
>>
>>I got into Macs this time around because of OSX and the continued
>>strides being made with OSX production software. After years of
>>misdirection with OS7-8-9 and failed attempts to significantly progress,
>
>>with OSX Apple was able to push the envelope to provide improved
>>technology for computing, media production, and lately, media
>>distribution.
>>
>>I'm not saying Apple is perfect, there are disadvantages to some of
>>their decisions and they have had a lot of reports from me to help them
>
>>improve. :^) But the advantages of OSX, generally solid hardware like
>>the current dual G5s, and a steady stream of capable software transcend
>
>>the disadvantages right now.
>>
>>Good luck with your computer and music pursuits! When the time comes to
>
>>move your music production over to Linux I'd love to hear how it goes.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>> I was just busting your chops a bit. I yam what I yam.
>>>
>>> On the "desktop" OS front I have converted 100% to Debian GNU/Linux. I
> still
>>> have one M$oft box for my audio stuff (until Live, CubaseSX, VST, and
> a ton
>>> of other things get ported to GNU/Linux I have no choice), but
>>> everything
>>> else runs on GNU/Linux. I have to say whenver I use a desktop that isn't
>>> Gnome and doesn't give me immediate access to a powerful command line
> I feel
>>> like I'm running on one leg. There are some bumps along the road, and
> I have
>>> to install some non free software for remote access to work (including
> some
>>> kernel patches that are a PITA), but it's been worth every bit of the
> effort.
>>> Now that I'm doing computer work again for a living I'm happy to be free
>>> of proprietary software as much as humanly possible. For me all
>>> proprietary
>>> systems like OS X, XP, Vista, BeOS, and everything else are all roughly
> equivalent
>>> evils--places I have to spend some time in order to make a living.
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Heh. Yep Thad, I'm running it on BeOS, maybe that's the problem? ;^)
>>>>
>>>>Time for a BeOS report I guess. Palm bought BeOS and hired members of
>
>>>>the engineering team. Your Palm's operating system now benefits.
>>>>
>>>>Be retained the right to sue Microsoft for closing them out of the OS
>
>>>>market for Intel boxes through illegally restrictive OEM agreements.
>>>>Microsoft paid millions to settle. Chump change.
>>>>
>>>>Wish it had been different. BeOS was full of great tech. Imagine where
>
>>>>it could be today.
>>>>
>>>>Heck, for that matter imagine where PARIS could be today, if only...
>>>>
>>>>More on BeOS:
>>>>http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/
>>>>http://www.itjungle.com/mid/mid022702-story06.html
>>>>http://www.mv-voice.com/morgue/2003/2003_09_26.bisi.html
>>>>
>>>>Meanwhile OSX has been steadily improving and has some good stuff. Oddly
>>>
>>>
>>>>I ran Logic all day today in a project that was crashing left and right
>>>
>>>
>>>>last time I worked on that project. It didn't crash once today.
>>>>
>>>>So I don't know, maybe it's not a Logic problem. It may have to do with
>>>
>>>
>>>>Native Instruments plugins, whatever's going on with my system drive or
>>>
>>>
>>>>?. Or maybe a recent update fixed something. BTW, I do send bug reports
>>>
>>>
>>>>to Apple so they've seen the detailed crash reports.
>>>>
>>>>The bug where Logic stops playing back a virtual synth did come up one
>
>>>>time today. That one needs to be fixed. Reloading the song is the
>>>>workaround.
>>>>
>>>>On the plus side, Logic on a dual G5 is incredible in its capabilities
>
>>>>and the music is sounding great.
>>>>
>>>>Nice to hear from you, Thad.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>heheheh.........hi thad
>>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:438f5066$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You're running this on BeOS, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm using Logic "Pro" 7.1 on a dual 2.5GHZ G5 running OSX. Logic
>>>>>>>would
>>>>>>>be "Pro" if it didn't crash. Of course OSX doesn't go down when Logic
>>>>>>>does but it's still an interruption to restart Logic when it happens.
>>>>>>>Some of that may be a hardware problem with my rig, I'm tracking down
>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>possible HD glitch right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The other thing about Logic is there is a bit of a learning curve.
> Most
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>things are straight forward but a few things are obtuse. You might
> give
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>yourself a few weeks to come up to speed, depending on what your
>>>>>>>needs
>>>>>
>>>>>are.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Those negatives aside, Logic has come a long way and it rocks. It has
>>>
>>> an
>>>
>>>>>>>incredible selection of useful plugins for convolution reverb,
>>>>>>>compression, limiting, distortion, EQ, etc. It also includes a good
>>>>>>>variety of excellent virtual instrument/synth plugins, and great
>>>>>>>third
>>>>>>>party plugins are readily available. It really is a virtual studio
> and
>>>>>>>I'm very happy with the tracks I'm producing. C'mon over and check
> it
>>>>>>>out if you're ever in the neighborhood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Everything is automatable. Mixers show as many tracks as you have.
> The
>>>>>>>MIDI features are comprehensive. Logic can play video files for film
>>>>>>>scoring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The G5 processors support so many plugins and tracks that I rarely
> have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to "freeze" anything, it's all live. But if I ever need more CPU
>>>>>>>overhead, freezing a track converts a track and all plugin operations
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>an audio file. It can be unfrozen if any editing is needed. There's
> also
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>an option to network with another Mac to farm out CPU time but I've
>>>>>>>never needed that with the G5. BTW, the new dual core dual processor
>>>
>>> G5
>>>
>>>>>>>box is somewhere around twice as fast as mine. Whoa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If at all possible, you should try to mix on each of the systems
>>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>considering and see if the sound pleases your ear. The i/o you choose
>>>>>>>will also matter. Like Tony I'm using a MOTU 828MII which has been
> a
>>>>>>>decent sounding, reliable piece of gear, and there are many other
>>>>>>>options to consider. You can combine several i/o devices if you need
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>expand to additional channels. If you need flying faders there are
>>>>>>>several choices with or without built-in i/o.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I suppose it would depend on your style of mixing, but I've been
>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>happy lately using DP 4.6 and PARIS. I track and mix first in DP to
>>>>>
>>>>>take
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>advantage of any virtual instruments I might want to use, and any
>>>>>
>>>>>plugins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that won't work in PARIS. I'm using a MOTU 828 Mk2 firewire
>>>>>>>>interface
>>>>>>
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>actually sounds pretty good. It doesn't add any character while
>>>>>
>>>>>recording,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>but that's what I'm wanting at this stage. This first mix is
>>>>>>>>basically
>>>>>>
>>>>>>just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a "get it close" type mix. I usually don't use any EQ plugins in DP
>>>>>
>>>>>opting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for the nice PARIS EQ's instead. Once I've got things close in DP
> I
>>>>>
>>>>>freeze
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>all the tracks (equivalent to rendering with plugins in PARIS). Then
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>>>>>export the frozen DP tracks as 24 bit .wav files. Then I boot to OS9
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>use
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>SonicWorx to convert the .wavs to 24 bit .paf files. Then I open
>>>>>>>>PARIS,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>add
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the audio files, and do all my editing and final mixing in PARIS.
> I
>>>>>
>>>>>still
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>like the editing in PARIS, I suppose because I'm so used to it.
>>>>>>>>Right
>>>>>>
>>>>>>now
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm doing this all on one Mac dual processor G4 and dual booting.
> I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>getting a G5 soon though and dedicating the G4 to PARIS only. I'll
> just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>share a firewire drive between the two. This will also let me use
> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>G5 as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a virtual FX rack when mixing in PARIS using external sends. Anyway,
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>>>know
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this approach is pretty convoluted and might not work for everyone,
>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>my way of having the best of both worlds so to speak. The modern
>>>>>
>>>>>features
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DP and the great sounding mix bus, EQ and easy editing in PARIS.
> Not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mention the great PARIS plugs like NoLimit, BarbEQ, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:438F262B.D0B3EB31@his.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I love Paris!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But I'm beginning to realize, especially in the face of new,
>>>>>>>>>cool plugins that'll never work in Paris (like the Waves
>>>>>>>>>Transform Bundle, among others), that I'm eventually going
>>>>>>>>>to have to switch to something that actually has ongoing
>>>>>>>>>development and support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So what are my fellow Mac DAW users finding satisfying
>>>>>>>>>after Paris? I own Digital Performer (w/ an old 2408) and
>>>>>>>>>Protools LE (w/ Digi 002). Neither seems as intuitive as
>>>>>>>>>Paris, but I suppose I'd get faster if I immersed myself in
>>>>>>>>>one or the other. My big concern is sound quality. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>found either DP or PT LE as satisfying to listen to and mix on
>>>>>>>>>as Paris. I know I've lost business for not being a Protools
>>>>>>>>>studio, but PT HD would cost a couple of arms and legs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What to do?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>Anyone know where these can be downloaded from? the purgatorycreek urls
are not longer valid.
Thanks,
JHTrust me, if I didn't work with computers for a living I'd be saying exactly
the same things. Also, I didn't make my point abotu PARIS well. I've used
so much software that I've seen go under. PARIS, Opcode, Cubase was a little
dicey there for a while, and so on. By using free software at the very worst
I have to learn to fix something myself. If Larry Wall gets hit by a bus
tomorrow the Perl community will keep Perl working and even if they don't
in theory I can learn to make the changes myself. That, to me, is a MASSIVE
reason to go through whatever hassle I have to using free software.
In other words, I didn't mean this to be Apple bashing--I meant it to be
proprietary software bashing.
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Thad,
>
>I understand your point, and to be sure, Apple could be more cooperative
>with third party programmers, but what you have to remember is, most of
us
>aren't "programmers". Most of us don't want anything to do with the inner
>workings of our computers. We just want them to run our chosen software,
be
>user friendly and not crash. For a "non-programmer" type person like me,
the
>Mac has been my choice. At first because they were the only game in town
>(1986), and now because I have so much legacy software that switching would
>cost a fortune, but I digress. ;>) Anyway, I envy you guys for having the
>smarts to get open source software to work for you and even the PC guys
who
>have to know a lot more "technical" stuff to tweak their PC's into smooth
>running speed beasts. Now, get to work on an open source brain/computer
>interface so I can make the music I hear in my head, instead of the music
my
>lousy fingers are capable of! ;>)
>
>Tony
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43908fa7$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, one of the reasons I am so opposed to proprietary software and
>> hardware
>> in general is my experience with PARIS. People often confuse free software
>> with money cost, which really isn't the point, IHMO. Stallman talked about
>> "free as in speech and free as in beer" and the big one to me is the
>> first.
>> If I need a new perl module or I want to install a new package on my
>> Debian
>> boxes, and there's a problem I can open up the installer script and see
>> what's
>> going on. Oh, it's expecting an older C compiler in a different place.
>> Find
>> and replace "gcc3" with "CC" and off we go. Try that with any other OS.
>> That
>> kind of control matters *a lot* to me these days.
>>
>> I also find it supremely ironic that Apple is considered to be a foward
>> looking,
>> innovative company for making a Unix based OS. They chose the least
>> restrictive
>> license on planet earth and have grudgingly followed the letter of the
law
>> for all of code not under the "go ahead and steal it" BSD structure. There
>> have been constant bubbling complaints from the KDE crowd about getting
>> code
>> back to the community. On the other side, stodgy old IBM works with GPL
>> code
>> as model citizens and even pays for lawyers to defend that code from silly
>> law suits.
>>
>> In any case, there's no way VST will ever make it to GPL'd code so I'm
>> stuck
>> with one Windows box no matter what. That said, the ALSA guys do really
>> good
>> work under Linux, it's too bad it will be so underexploited.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thanks for sharing your info about your Linux experience, Thad. That's
>>>good to hear. My old PARIS Intel box has became my Linux/BeOS box.
>>>
>>>I've used a lot of different hardware and OS combinations over the
>>>years. OSX with its command line, UNIX roots and tons of media
>>>production software has covered my primary computing needs fairly well
>>>for the last couple of years. However things are steadily progressing
in
>>
>>>Linux land and I think it has a bright future.
>>>
>>>I hear you about proprietary systems. I'm not against them except when
>>>they are used to force out competition through means other than on their
>>
>>>technical merits, as Microsoft has notably done. And on the flip side,
>>>their vulnerability in manipulated markets, as the Amiga and BeOS ably
>>>demonstrated. Open source has become the best way to survive in this
>>>environment. Even Apple is participating in open source to an extent at
>>
>>>the kernel and browser levels.
>>>
>>>I am not opposed to companies making money on their technology when
>>>competing fairly on merits and pushing the envelope to provide needed
>>>tools. I'm happy to pay fair prices for hardware and software when they
>>
>>>meets my needs, and to support talented engineers in the quest. I
>>>originally bought PARIS for that reason.
>>>
>>>But using monopolistic leveraging, Orwellian marketspeak, and swallowing
>>
>>>other companies while killing a lot of great competitive tech and
>>>promoting marginal tech, that kind of behavior doesn't endear much
>>>respect.
>>>
>>>I got into Macs this time around because of OSX and the continued
>>>strides being made with OSX production software. After years of
>>>misdirection with OS7-8-9 and failed attempts to significantly progress,
>>
>>>with OSX Apple was able to push the envelope to provide improved
>>>technology for computing, media production, and lately, media
>>>distribution.
>>>
>>>I'm not saying Apple is perfect, there are disadvantages to some of
>>>their decisions and they have had a lot of reports from me to help them
>>
>>>improve. :^) But the advantages of OSX, generally solid hardware like
>>>the current dual G5s, and a steady stream of capable software transcend
>>
>>>the disadvantages right now.
>>>
>>>Good luck with your computer and music pursuits! When the time comes to
>>
>>>move your music production over to Linux I'd love to hear how it goes.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> I was just busting your chops a bit. I yam what I yam.
>>>>
>>>> On the "desktop" OS front I have converted 100% to Debian GNU/Linux.
I
>> still
>>>> have one M$oft box for my audio stuff (until Live, CubaseSX, VST, and
>> a ton
>>>> of other things get ported to GNU/Linux I have no choice), but
>>>> everything
>>>> else runs on GNU/Linux. I have to say whenver I use a desktop that isn't
>>>> Gnome and doesn't give me immediate access to a powerful command line
>> I feel
>>>> like I'm running on one leg. There are some bumps along the road, and
>> I have
>>>> to install some non free software for remote access to work (including
>> some
>>>> kernel patches that are a PITA), but it's been worth every bit of the
>> effort.
>>>> Now that I'm doing computer work again for a living I'm happy to be
free
>>>> of proprietary software as much as humanly possible. For me all
>>>> proprietary
>>>> systems like OS X, XP, Vista, BeOS, and everything else are all roughly
>> equivalent
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59719 is a reply to message #59709] |
Sun, 30 October 2005 17:43 |
cujo
Messages: 285
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gt;>>>>>mention the great PARIS plugs like NoLimit, BarbEQ, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:438F262B.D0B3EB31@his.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I love Paris!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But I'm beginning to realize, especially in the face of new,
>>>>>>>>>>cool plugins that'll never work in Paris (like the Waves
>>>>>>>>>>Transform Bundle, among others), that I'm eventually going
>>>>>>>>>>to have to switch to something that actually has ongoing
>>>>>>>>>>development and support.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So what are my fellow Mac DAW users finding satisfying
>>>>>>>>>>after Paris? I own Digital Performer (w/ an old 2408) and
>>>>>>>>>>Protools LE (w/ Digi 002). Neither seems as intuitive as
>>>>>>>>>>Paris, but I suppose I'd get faster if I immersed myself in
>>>>>>>>>>one or the other. My big concern is sound quality. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>found either DP or PT LE as satisfying to listen to and mix on
>>>>>>>>>>as Paris. I know I've lost business for not being a Protools
>>>>>>>>>>studio, but PT HD would cost a couple of arms and legs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What to do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>anyone use one of these?
I'm getting one on spec from a distributor, along with the MidiMate
switcther.
Kinda hoping that it'll be cool live along with my gr-33.
jefI didn't take it as Apple bashing. Sorry if I gave that impression. I agree,
open source is the way to go. Maybe some of you smart guys can work out the
hard stuff, package the apps up with simple user interfaces and sell the
"service of keeping it simple" to guys like me. I'd gladly pay for killer
stable open source audio apps, if all I have to do is install and run them.
See, to me Perl is a necklace and C++ is a little better than slightly above
average. The thought of a command line makes me wet myself! That way, the
source code stays "open" and us codephobes pay for the "service" of making
it easy to use. Are there any really cool, GUI based open source audio apps
out there? Anyway, I was really agreeing with you, just not communicating
very much betterly. ;>) Ah cyberspace. So liberating yet so impersonal.
Good Things,
Tony
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4390a914$1@linux...
>
> Trust me, if I didn't work with computers for a living I'd be saying
> exactly
> the same things. Also, I didn't make my point abotu PARIS well. I've used
> so much software that I've seen go under. PARIS, Opcode, Cubase was a
> little
> dicey there for a while, and so on. By using free software at the very
> worst
> I have to learn to fix something myself. If Larry Wall gets hit by a bus
> tomorrow the Perl community will keep Perl working and even if they don't
> in theory I can learn to make the changes myself. That, to me, is a
> MASSIVE
> reason to go through whatever hassle I have to using free software.
>
> In other words, I didn't mean this to be Apple bashing--I meant it to be
> proprietary software bashing.
>
> TCB
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Thad,
>>
>>I understand your point, and to be sure, Apple could be more cooperative
>
>>with third party programmers, but what you have to remember is, most of
> us
>>aren't "programmers". Most of us don't want anything to do with the inner
>
>>workings of our computers. We just want them to run our chosen software,
> be
>>user friendly and not crash. For a "non-programmer" type person like me,
> the
>>Mac has been my choice. At first because they were the only game in town
>
>>(1986), and now because I have so much legacy software that switching
>>would
>
>>cost a fortune, but I digress. ;>) Anyway, I envy you guys for having the
>
>>smarts to get open source software to work for you and even the PC guys
> who
>>have to know a lot more "technical" stuff to tweak their PC's into smooth
>
>>running speed beasts. Now, get to work on an open source brain/computer
>
>>interface so I can make the music I hear in my head, instead of the music
> my
>>lousy fingers are capable of! ;>)
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43908fa7$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Well, one of the reasons I am so opposed to proprietary software and
>>> hardware
>>> in general is my experience with PARIS. People often confuse free
>>> software
>>> with money cost, which really isn't the point, IHMO. Stallman talked
>>> about
>>> "free as in speech and free as in beer" and the big one to me is the
>>> first.
>>> If I need a new perl module or I want to install a new package on my
>>> Debian
>>> boxes, and there's a problem I can open up the installer script and see
>
>>> what's
>>> going on. Oh, it's expecting an older C compiler in a different place.
>
>>> Find
>>> and replace "gcc3" with "CC" and off we go. Try that with any other OS.
>
>>> That
>>> kind of control matters *a lot* to me these days.
>>>
>>> I also find it supremely ironic that Apple is considered to be a foward
>
>>> looking,
>>> innovative company for making a Unix based OS. They chose the least
>>> restrictive
>>> license on planet earth and have grudgingly followed the letter of the
> law
>>> for all of code not under the "go ahead and steal it" BSD structure.
>>> There
>>> have been constant bubbling complaints from the KDE crowd about getting
>
>>> code
>>> back to the community. On the other side, stodgy old IBM works with GPL
>
>>> code
>>> as model citizens and even pays for lawyers to defend that code from
>>> silly
>>> law suits.
>>>
>>> In any case, there's no way VST will ever make it to GPL'd code so I'm
>
>>> stuck
>>> with one Windows box no matter what. That said, the ALSA guys do really
>
>>> good
>>> work under Linux, it's too bad it will be so underexploited.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for sharing your info about your Linux experience, Thad. That's
>>>>good to hear. My old PARIS Intel box has became my Linux/BeOS box.
>>>>
>>>>I've used a lot of different hardware and OS combinations over the
>>>>years. OSX with its command line, UNIX roots and tons of media
>>>>production software has covered my primary computing needs fairly well
>>>>for the last couple of years. However things are steadily progressing
> in
>>>
>>>>Linux land and I think it has a bright future.
>>>>
>>>>I hear you about proprietary systems. I'm not against them except when
>>>>they are used to force out competition through means other than on their
>>>
>>>>technical merits, as Microsoft has notably done. And on the flip side,
>>>>their vulnerability in manipulated markets, as the Amiga and BeOS ably
>>>>demonstrated. Open source has become the best way to survive in this
>>>>environment. Even Apple is participating in open source to an extent at
>>>
>>>>the kernel and browser levels.
>>>>
>>>>I am not opposed to companies making money on their technology when
>>>>competing fairly on merits and pushing the envelope to provide needed
>>>>tools. I'm happy to pay fair prices for hardware and software when they
>>>
>>>>meets my needs, and to support talented engineers in the quest. I
>>>>originally bought PARIS for that reason.
>>>>
>>>>But using monopolistic leveraging, Orwellian marketspeak, and swallowing
>>>
>>>>other companies while killing a lot of great competitive tech and
>>>>promoting marginal tech, that kind of behavior doesn't endear much
>>>>respect.
>>>>
>>>>I got into Macs this time around because of OSX and the continued
>>>>strides being made with OSX production software. After years of
>>>>misdirection with OS7-8-9 and failed attempts to significantly progress,
>>>
>>>>with OSX Apple was able to push the envelope to provide improved
>>>>technology for computing, media production, and lately, media
>>>>distribution.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not saying Apple is perfect, there are disadvantages to some of
>>>>their decisions and they have had a lot of reports from me to help them
>>>
>>>>improve. :^) But the advantages of OSX, generally solid hardware like
>>>>the current dual G5s, and a steady stream of capable software transcend
>>>
>>>>the disadvantages right now.
>>>>
>>>>Good luck with your computer and music pursuits! When the time comes to
>>>
>>>>move your music production over to Linux I'd love to hear how it goes.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> I was just busting your chops a bit. I yam what I yam.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the "desktop" OS front I have converted 100% to Debian GNU/Linux.
> I
>>> still
>>>>> have one M$oft box for my audio stuff (until Live, CubaseSX, VST, and
>>> a ton
>>>>> of other things get ported to GNU/Linux I have no choice), but
>>>>> everything
>>>>> else runs on GNU/Linux. I have to say whenver I use a desktop that
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> Gnome and doesn't give me immediate access to a powerful command line
>>> I feel
>>>>> like I'm running on one leg. There are some bumps along the road, and
>>> I have
>>>>> to install some non free software for remote access to work (including
>>> some
>>>>> kernel patches that are a PITA), but it's been worth every bit of the
>>> effort.
>>>>> Now that I'm doing computer work again for a living I'm happy to be
> free
>>>>> of proprietary software as much as humanly possible. For me all
>>>>> proprietary
>>>>> systems like OS X, XP, Vista, BeOS, and everything else are all
>>>>> roughly
>>> equivalent
>>>>> evils--places I have to spend some time in order to make a living.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Heh. Yep Thad, I'm running it on BeOS, maybe that's the problem? ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Time for a BeOS report I guess. Palm bought BeOS and hired members of
>>>
>>>>>>the engineering team. Your Palm's operating system now benefits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Be retained the right to sue Microsoft for closing them out of the OS
>>>
>>>>>>market for Intel boxes through illegally restrictive OEM agreements.
>>>>>>Microsoft paid millions to settle. Chump change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wish it had been different. BeOS was full of great tech. Imagine where
>>>
>>>>>>it could be today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Heck, for that matter imagine where PARIS could be today, if only...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>More on BeOS:
>>>>>>http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/
>>>>>>http://www.itjungle.com/mid/mid022702-story06.html
>>>>>>http://www.mv-voice.com/morgue/2003/2003_09_26.bisi.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Meanwhile OSX has been steadily improving and has some good stuff.
>>>>>>Oddly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I ran Logic all day today in a project that was crashing left and
>>>>>>right
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>last time I worked on that project. It didn't crash once today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I don't know, maybe it's not a Logic problem. It may have to do
>>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Native Instruments plugins, whatever's going on with my system drive
> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>?. Or maybe a recent update fixed something. BTW, I do send bug
>>>>>>reports
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>to Apple so they've seen the detailed crash reports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The bug where Logic stops playing back a virtual synth did come up one
>>>
>>>>>>time today. That one needs to be fixed. Reloading the song is the
>>>>>>workaround.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the plus side, Logic on a dual G5 is incredible in its capabilities
>>>
>>>>>>and the music is sounding great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nice to hear from you, Thad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>heheheh.........hi thad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:438f5066$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You're running this on BeOS, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm using Logic "Pro" 7.1 on a dual 2.5GHZ G5 running OSX. Logic
>
>>>>>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>>be "Pro" if it didn't crash. Of course OSX doesn't go down when
>>>>>>>>>Logic
>>>>>>>>>does but it's still an interruption to restart Logic when it
>>>>>>>>>happens.
>>>>>>>>>Some of that may be a hardware problem with my rig, I'm tracking
> down
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>possible HD glitch right now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The other thing about Logic is there is a bit of a learning curve.
>>> Most
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>things are straight forward but a few things are obtuse. You might
>>> give
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>yourself a few weeks to come up to speed, depending on what your
>
>>>>>>>>>needs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Those negatives aside, Logic has come a long way and it rocks. It
> has
>>>>>
>>>>> an
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>incredible selection of useful plugins for convolution reverb,
>>>>>>>>>compression, limiting, distortion, EQ, etc. It also includes a good
>>>>>>>>>variety of excellent virtual instrument/synth plugins, and great
>
>>>>>>>>>third
>>>>>>>>>party plugins are readily available. It really is a virtual studio
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>I'm very happy with the tracks I'm producing. C'mon over and check
>>> it
>>>>>>>>>out if you're ever in the neighborhood.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Everything is automatable. Mixers show as many tracks as you have.
>>> The
>>>>>>>>>MIDI features are comprehensive. Logic can play video files for
>>>>>>>>>film
>>>>>>>>>scoring.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The G5 processors support so many plugins and tracks that I rarely
>>> have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to "freeze" anything, it's all live. But if I ever need more CPU
>>>>>>>>>overhead, freezing a track converts a track and all plugin
>>>>>>>>>operations
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>an audio file. It can be unfrozen if any editing is needed. There's
>>> also
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>an option to network with another Mac to farm out CPU time but I've
>>>>>>>>>never needed that with the G5. BTW, the new dual core dual
>>>>>>>>>processor
>>>>>
>>>>> G5
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>box is somewhere around twice as fast as mine. Whoa.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If at all possible, you should try to mix on each of the systems
>
>>>>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>considering and see if the sound pleases your ear. The i/o you
>>>>>>>>>choose
>>>>>>>>>will also matter. Like Tony I'm using a MOTU 828MII which has been
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>decent sounding, reliable piece of gear, and there are many other
>>>>>>>>>options to consider. You can combine several i/o devices if you
>>>>>>>>>need
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>expand to additional channels. If you need flying faders there are
>>>>>>>>>several choices with or without built-in i/o.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I suppose it would depend on your style of mixing, but I've been
>
>>>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>happy lately using DP 4.6 and PARIS. I track and mix first in DP
> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>take
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>advantage of any virtual instruments I might want to use, and any
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>plugins
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>that won't work in PARIS. I'm using a MOTU 828 Mk2 firewire
>>>>>>>>>>interface
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>actually sounds pretty good. It doesn't add any character while
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>recording,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>but that's what I'm wanting at this stage. This first mix is
>>>>>>>>>>basically
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a "get it close" type mix. I usually don't use any EQ plugins in
> DP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>opting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>for the nice PARIS EQ's instead. Once I've got things close in DP
>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>freeze
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>all the tracks (equivalent to rendering with plugins in PARIS).
> Then
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>export the frozen DP tracks as 24 bit .wav files. Then I boot to
> OS9
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>SonicWorx to convert the .wavs to 24 bit .paf files. Then I open
>
>>>>>>>>>>PARIS,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>add
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>the audio files, and do all my editing and final mixing in PARIS.
>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>like the editing in PARIS, I suppose because I'm so used to it.
>
>>>>>>>>>>Right
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm doing this all on one Mac dual processor G4 and dual booting.
>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>getting a G5 soon though and dedicating the G4 to PARIS only. I'll
>>> just
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>share a firewire drive between the two. This will also let me use
>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>G5 as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a virtual FX rack when mixing in PARIS using external sends.
>>>>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>know
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>this approach is pretty convoluted and might not work for
>>>>>>>>>>everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>my way of having the best of both worlds so to speak. The modern
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>DP and the great sounding mix bus, EQ and easy editing in PARIS.
>>> Not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>mention the great PARIS plugs like NoLimit, BarbEQ, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:438F262B.D0B3EB31@his.com...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I love Paris!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>But I'm beginning to realize, especially in the face of new,
>>>>>>>>>>>cool plugins that'll never work in Paris (like the Waves
>>>>>>>>>>>Transform Bundle, among others), that I'm eventually going
>>>>>>>>>>>to have to switch to something that actually has ongoing
>>>>>>>>>>>development and support.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So what are my fellow Mac DAW users finding satisfying
>>>>>>>>>>>after Paris? I own Digital Performer (w/ an old 2408) and
>>>>>>>>>>>Protools LE (w/ Digi 002). Neither seems as intuitive as
>>>>>>>>>>>Paris, but I suppose I'd get faster if I immersed myself in
>>>>>>>>>>>one or the other. My big concern is sound quality. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>found either DP or PT LE as satisfying to listen to and mix on
>>>>>>>>>>>as Paris. I know I've lost business for not being a Protools
>>>>>>>>>>>studio, but PT HD would cost a couple of arms and legs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What to do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>hehehehehehe!
muuuuuuuhahahahahahaha!
man, i love typing that sinister laugh... thanks DJ!
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43903a04@linux...
> so you're the one with all the cash!
>
> Jeremy Luzier wrote:
> > let me do a DJ sinister laugh as i rub my hands together....
> >
> > muuuuuhahahahahahaha!
> >
> > just ordered....
> >
> > LTD-1
> > Calrec PQ1161 pair
> > la3a vintage
> > la2a 60's vintage
> > 33609 j/d :-)
> > TG-1
> > EL8X-S
> >
> > muuuuuuuuuhahahahahahaha!!!
> >
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> >I've messed around with one at the local guitar store a few times and have a
friend who loves his. My inexperienced impression would be of a Sans Amp on
horse steroids. And I mean that in a good way. I remember the thing having
some real nice tone.
Tony
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:4390b051@linux...
> anyone use one of these?
>
> I'm getting one on spec from a distributor, along with the MidiMate
> switcther.
>
> Kinda hoping that it'll be cool live along with my gr-33.
>
> jefIt's getting there, trust me. 95% of computer users who don't directly make
a living off of computers (i.e. excluding musicians, graphic designers, etc.)
could do everything they do on a Mac or a PC with a GNU/Linux box. The install/config
is getting SO close to being grandma-proofed as well with distros like Ubuntu.
GNU/Linux is still behind a little in "multimedia" stuff like video playback
(and porn makes the 'net go 'round) and burning CDs (usually you have to
type the super user password) but it's SO SO SO close. In my opinion Gnome
and OpenOffice are significantly better than either of their equivalents
on any other platform. But hey, I'm a geek so maybe I'm wrong.
TCB
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>I didn't take it as Apple bashing. Sorry if I gave that impression. I agree,
>open source is the way to go. Maybe some of you smart guys can work out
the
>hard stuff, package the apps up with simple user interfaces and sell the
>"service of keeping it simple" to guys like me. I'd gladly pay for killer
>stable open source audio apps, if all I have to do is install and run them.
>See, to me Perl is a necklace and C++ is a little better than slightly above
>average. The thought of a command line makes me wet myself! That way, the
>source code stays "open" and us codephobes pay for the "service" of making
>it easy to use. Are there any really cool, GUI based open source audio apps
>out there? Anyway, I was really agreeing with you, just not communicating
>very much betterly. ;>) Ah cyberspace. So liberating yet so impersonal.
>
>Good Things,
>
>Tony
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4390a914$1@linux...
>>
>> Trust me, if I didn't work with computers for a living I'd be saying
>> exactly
>> the same things. Also, I didn't make my point abotu PARIS well. I've used
>> so much software that I've seen go under. PARIS, Opcode, Cubase was a
>> little
>> dicey there for a while, and so on. By using free software at the very
>> worst
>> I have to learn to fix something myself. If Larry Wall gets hit by a bus
>> tomorrow the Perl community will keep Perl working and even if they don't
>> in theory I can learn to make the changes myself. That, to me, is a
>> MASSIVE
>> reason to go through whatever hassle I have to using free software.
>>
>> In other words, I didn't mean this to be Apple bashing--I meant it to
be
>> proprietary software bashing.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>Thad,
>>>
>>>I understand your point, and to be sure, Apple could be more cooperative
>>
>>>with third party programmers, but what you have to remember is, most of
>> us
>>>aren't "programmers". Most of us don't want anything to do with the inner
>>
>>>workings of our computers. We just want them to run our chosen software,
>> be
>>>user friendly and not crash. For a "non-programmer" type person like me,
>> the
>>>Mac has been my choice. At first because they were the only game in town
>>
>>>(1986), and now because I have so much legacy software that switching
>>>would
>>
>>>cost a fortune, but I digress. ;>) Anyway, I envy you guys for having
the
>>
>>>smarts to get open source software to work for you and even the PC guys
>> who
>>>have to know a lot more "technical" stuff to tweak their PC's into smooth
>>
>>>running speed beasts. Now, get to work on an open source brain/computer
>>
>>>interface so I can make the music I hear in my head, instead of the music
>> my
>>>lousy fingers are capable of! ;>)
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43908fa7$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Well, one of the reasons I am so opposed to proprietary software and
>>>> hardware
>>>> in general is my experience with PARIS. People often confuse free
>>>> software
>>>> with money cost, which really isn't the point, IHMO. Stallman talked
>>>> about
>>>> "free as in speech and free as in beer" and the big one to me is the
>>>> first.
>>>> If I need a new perl module or I want to install a new package on my
>>>> Debian
>>>> boxes, and there's a problem I can open up the installer script and
see
>>
>>>> what's
>>>> going on. Oh, it's expecting an older C compiler in a different place.
>>
>>>> Find
>>>> and replace "gcc3" with "CC" and off we go. Try that with any other
OS.
>>
>>>> That
>>>> kind of control matters *a lot* to me these days.
>>>>
>>>> I also find it supremely ironic that Apple is considered to be a foward
>>
>>>> looking,
>>>> innovative company for making a Unix based OS. They chose the least
>>>> restrictive
>>>> license on planet earth and have grudgingly followed the letter of the
>> law
>>>> for all of code not under the "go ahead and steal it" BSD structure.
>>>> There
>>>> have been constant bubbling complaints from the KDE crowd about getting
>>
>>>> code
>>>> back to the community. On the other side, stodgy old IBM works with
GPL
>>
>>>> code
>>>> as model citizens and even pays for lawyers to defend that code from
>>>> silly
>>>> law suits.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, there's no way VST will ever make it to GPL'd code so I'm
>>
>>>> stuck
>>>> with one Windows box no matter what. That said, the ALSA guys do really
>>
>>>> good
>>>> work under Linux, it's too bad it will be so underexploited.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for sharing your info about your Linux experience, Thad. That's
>>>>>good to hear. My old PARIS Intel box has became my Linux/BeOS box.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've used a lot of different hardware and OS combinations over the
>>>>>years. OSX with its command line, UNIX roots and tons of media
>>>>>production software has covered my primary computing needs fairly well
>>>>>for the last couple of years. However things are steadily progressing
>> in
>>>>
>>>>>Linux land and I think it has a bright future.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hear you about proprietary systems. I'm not against them except when
>>>>>they are used to force out competition through means other than on their
>>>>
>>>>>technical merits, as Microsoft has notably done. And on the flip side,
>>>>>their vulnerability in manipulated markets, as the Amiga and BeOS ably
>>>>>demonstrated. Open source has become the best way to survive in this
>>>>>environment. Even Apple is participating in open source to an extent
at
>>>>
>>>>>the kernel and browser levels.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am not opposed to companies making money on their technology when
>>>>>competing fairly on merits and pushing the envelope to provide needed
>>>>>tools. I'm happy to pay fair prices for hardware and software when they
>>>>
>>>>>meets my needs, and to support talented engineers in the quest. I
>>>>>originally bought PARIS for that reason.
>>>>>
>>>>>But using monopolistic leveraging, Orwellian marketspeak, and swallowing
>>>>
>>>>>other companies while killing a lot of great competit
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Sun, 30 October 2005 17:51 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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>>>>
>>>>>>>>are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Those negatives aside, Logic has come a long way and it rocks.
It
>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>incredible selection of useful plugins for convolution reverb,
>>>>>>>>>>compression, limiting, distortion, EQ, etc. It also includes a
good
>>>>>>>>>>variety of excellent virtual instrument/synth plugins, and great
>>
>>>>>>>>>>third
>>>>>>>>>>party plugins are readily available. It really is a virtual studio
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>I'm very happy with the tracks I'm producing. C'mon over and check
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>out if you're ever in the neighborhood.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Everything is automatable. Mixers show as many tracks as you have.
>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>MIDI features are comprehensive. Logic can play video files for
>>>>>>>>>>film
>>>>>>>>>>scoring.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The G5 processors support so many plugins and tracks that I rarely
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to "freeze" anything, it's all live. But if I ever need more CPU
>>>>>>>>>>overhead, freezing a track converts a track and all plugin
>>>>>>>>>>operations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>an audio file. It can be unfrozen if any editing is needed. There's
>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>an option to network with another Mac to farm out CPU time but
I've
>>>>>>>>>>never needed that with the G5. BTW, the new dual core dual
>>>>>>>>>>processor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> G5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>box is somewhere around twice as fast as mine. Whoa.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If at all possible, you should try to mix on each of the systems
>>
>>>>>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>considering and see if the sound pleases your ear. The i/o you
>>>>>>>>>>choose
>>>>>>>>>>will also matter. Like Tony I'm using a MOTU 828MII which has been
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>decent sounding, reliable piece of gear, and there are many other
>>>>>>>>>>options to consider. You can combine several i/o devices if you
>>>>>>>>>>need
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>expand to additional channels. If you need flying faders there
are
>>>>>>>>>>several choices with or without built-in i/o.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I suppose it would depend on your style of mixing, but I've been
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>happy lately using DP 4.6 and PARIS. I track and mix first in
DP
>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>take
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>advantage of any virtual instruments I might want to use, and
any
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>plugins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>that won't work in PARIS. I'm using a MOTU 828 Mk2 firewire
>>>>>>>>>>>interface
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>actually sounds pretty good. It doesn't add any character while
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>recording,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>but that's what I'm wanting at this stage. This first mix is
>>>>>>>>>>>basically
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>a "get it close" type mix. I usually don't use any EQ plugins
in
>> DP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>opting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>for the nice PARIS EQ's instead. Once I've got things close in
DP
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>freeze
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>all the tracks (equivalent to rendering with plugins in PARIS).
>> Then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>export the frozen DP tracks as 24 bit .wav files. Then I boot
to
>> OS9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>use
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>SonicWorx to convert the .wavs to 24 bit .paf files. Then I open
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>PARIS,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>add
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>the audio files, and do all my editing and final mixing in PARIS.
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>still
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>like the editing in PARIS, I suppose because I'm so used to it.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Right
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm doing this all on one Mac dual processor G4 and dual booting.
>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>getting a G5 soon though and dedicating the G4 to PARIS only.
I'll
>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>share a firewire drive between the two. This will also let me
use
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>G5 as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>a virtual FX rack when mixing in PARIS using external sends.
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>know
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>this approach is pretty convoluted and might not work for
>>>>>>>>>>>everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>my way of having the best of both worlds so to speak. The modern
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>features
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>DP and the great sounding mix bus, EQ and easy editing in PARIS.
>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>mention the great PARIS plugs like NoLimit, BarbEQ, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:438F262B.D0B3EB31@his.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I love Paris!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>But I'm beginning to realize, especially in the face of new,
>>>>>>>>>>>>cool plugins that'll never work in Paris (like the Waves
>>>>>>>>>>>>Transform Bundle, among others), that I'm eventually going
>>>>>>>>>>>>to have to switch to something that actually has ongoing
>>>>>>>>>>>>development and support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So what are my fellow Mac DAW users finding satisfying
>>>>>>>>>>>>after Paris? I own Digital Performer (w/ an old 2408) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>Protools LE (w/ Digi 002). Neither seems as intuitive as
>>>>>>>>>>>>Paris, but I suppose I'd get faster if I immersed myself in
>>>>>>>>>>>>one or the other. My big concern is sound quality. I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>>found either DP or PT LE as satisfying to listen to and mix on
>>>>>>>>>>>>as Paris. I know I've lost business for not being a Protools
>>>>>>>>>>>>studio, but PT HD would cost a couple of arms and legs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What to do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Gantt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>John, your question reflects exactly what ID was hoping for.....
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Who is Edmund ?
>
>Morgan wrote:
>> Hey Thad -
>> Long time :)
>> Where are you ?
>> Morgan
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>
>>> I don't check this NG for eons. Then I drop by on a whim and no flame
>>> wars,
>>> no calls for Edmund to be covered in cattle blood and released into a
>>> cage
>>> filled with starving ferrets, no lectures from Don about intelligent
>>> design?
>>> Sheesh.
>>> Seriously, hope all is well. I'm beaten down at work and trying do simple
>>> things my brain can still manage, like look at newsgroups where I once
>>> spent
>>> most of my time.
>>> TCB
>>
>>I've got them. Where's the address we can uplaod files to?
I can put them there.
Rod
Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Anyone know where these can be downloaded from? the purgatorycreek urls
>are not longer valid.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>JHJust saw this on craigslist. Free.
ok, someone here must need one. Just have to pick it up.
In Sonoma, California...
http://www.craigslist.org/nby/sys/115372279.html
-steveAnother option that was given to me re: these live vocal tracks
"You could make a copy of the vocal track, and cut out all the bleed
inbetween vocals. Set up your gate to key off the copy track. Adjust your
threshold, reduction and times accordingly"
Thoughts
DonJohn <no@no.com> wrote:
>Who is Edmund ?
He is the son of the guy that created Jurassic Park! Remember, he is the
greedy fat guy, you know, the computer nerd that steals the eggs to sell.
(killed the goose that laid the golden eggs!) He shuts down the system
on everybody, and the dinosaurs go ape shit. Remember when they try to reboot
the system, a picture of the asshole waving his finger, saying, No, no. no!
Pops up on the screen. The selfish asshole leaves everybody fucked. (Pace
security bullshit) Well, in the end, the arrogant fat fuck gets eaten by
a dinosaur. (Damn, this only happens in the movies!!!)
>
>Morgan wrote:
>> Hey Thad -
>> Long time :)
>> Where are you ?
>> Morgan
>>
>> TCB wrote:
>>
>>> I don't check this NG for eons. Then I drop by on a whim and no flame
>>> wars,
>>> no calls for Edmund to be covered in cattle blood and released into a
>>> cage
>>> filled with starving ferrets, no lectures from Don about intelligent
>>> design?
>>> Sheesh.
>>> Seriously, hope all is well. I'm beaten down at work and trying do simple
>>> things my brain can still manage, like look at newsgroups where I once
>>> spent
>>> most of my time.
>>> TCB
>>
>>Try:
ftp://manitou.serveftp.net
user/pass = bt
Also disable passive mode.
Rob
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
news:43909f78$1@linux...
> Anyone know where these can be downloaded from? the purgatorycreek urls
> are not longer valid.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> JHWith all of this talk of GNU's and Gnomes, I'm somehow reminded of an
African fairy tale...........is there a Gfilterphish also? I thnk that would
be a coolname for an EQ plugin.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4390bb43$1@linux...
>
> It's getting there, trust me. 95% of computer users who don't directly
make
> a living off of computers (i.e. excluding musicians, graphic designers,
etc.)
> could do everything they do on a Mac or a PC with a GNU/Linux box. The
install/config
> is getting SO close to being grandma-proofed as well with distros like
Ubuntu.
> GNU/Linux is still behind a little in "multimedia" stuff like video
playback
> (and porn makes the 'net go 'round) and burning CDs (usually you have to
> type the super user password) but it's SO SO SO close. In my opinion Gnome
> and OpenOffice are significantly better than either of their equivalents
> on any other platform. But hey, I'm a geek so maybe I'm wrong.
>
> TCB
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
> >I didn't take it as Apple bashing. Sorry if I gave that impression. I
agree,
>
> >open source is the way to go. Maybe some of you smart guys can work out
> the
> >hard stuff, package the apps up with simple user interfaces and sell the
>
> >"service of keeping it simple" to guys like me. I'd gladly pay for killer
>
> >stable open source audio apps, if all I have to do is install and run
them.
>
> >See, to me Perl is a necklace and C++ is a little better than slightly
above
>
> >average. The thought of a command line makes me wet myself! That way, the
>
> >source code stays "open" and us codephobes pay for the "service" of
making
>
> >it easy to use. Are there any really cool, GUI based open source audio
apps
>
> >out there? Anyway, I was really agreeing with you, just not communicating
>
> >very much betterly. ;>) Ah cyberspace. So liberating yet so impersonal.
> >
> >Good Things,
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
> >"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4390a914$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Trust me, if I didn't work with computers for a living I'd be saying
> >> exactly
> >> the same things. Also, I didn't make my point abotu PARIS well. I've
used
> >> so much software that I've seen go under. PARIS, Opcode, Cubase was a
>
> >> little
> >> dicey there for a while, and so on. By using free software at the very
>
> >> worst
> >> I have to learn to fix something myself. If Larry Wall gets hit by a
bus
> >> tomorrow the Perl community will keep Perl working and even if they
don't
> >> in theory I can learn to make the changes myself. That, to me, is a
> >> MASSIVE
> >> reason to go through whatever hassle I have to using free software.
> >>
> >> In other words, I didn't mean this to be Apple bashing--I meant it to
> be
> >> proprietary software bashing.
> >>
> >> TCB
> >>
> >> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
> >>>Thad,
> >>>
> >>>I understand your point, and to be sure, Apple could be more
cooperative
> >>
> >>>with third party programmers, but what you have to remember is, most of
> >> us
> >>>aren't "programmers". Most of us don't want anything to do with the
inner
> >>
> >>>workings of our computers. We just want them to run our chosen
software,
> >> be
> >>>user friendly and not crash. For a "non-programmer" type person like
me,
> >> the
> >>>Mac has been my choice. At first because they were the only game in
town
> >>
> >>>(1986), and now because I have so much legacy software that switching
>
> >>>would
> >>
> >>>cost a fortune, but I digress. ;>) Anyway, I envy you guys for having
> the
> >>
> >>>smarts to get open source software to work for you and even the PC guys
> >> who
> >>>have to know a lot more "technical" stuff to tweak their PC's into
smooth
> >>
> >>>running speed beasts. Now, get to work on an open source brain/computer
> >>
> >>>interface so I can make the music I hear in my head, instead of the
music
> >> my
> >>>lousy fingers are capable of! ;>)
> >>>
> >>>Tony
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43908fa7$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, one of the reasons I am so opposed to proprietary software and
> >>>> hardware
> >>>> in general is my experience with PARIS. People often confuse free
> >>>> software
> >>>> with money cost, which really isn't the point, IHMO. Stallman talked
>
> >>>> about
> >>>> "free as in speech and free as in beer" and the big one to me is the
> >>>> first.
> >>>> If I need a new perl module or I want to install a new package on my
> >>>> Debian
> >>>> boxes, and there's a problem I can open up the installer script and
> see
> >>
> >>>> what's
> >>>> going on. Oh, it's expecting an older C compiler in a different
place.
> >>
> >>>> Find
> >>>> and replace "gcc3" with "CC" and off we go. Try that with any other
> OS.
> >>
> >>>> That
> >>>> kind of control matters *a lot* to me these days.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also find it supremely ironic that Apple is considered to be a
foward
> >>
> >>>> looking,
> >>>> innovative company for making a Unix based OS. They chose the least
> >>>> restrictive
> >>>> license on planet earth and have grudgingly followed the letter of
the
> >> law
> >>>> for all of code not under the "go ahead and steal it" BSD structure.
>
> >>>> There
> >>>> have been constant bubbling complaints from the KDE crowd about
getting
> >>
> >>>> code
> >>>> back to the community. On the other side, stodgy old IBM works with
> GPL
> >>
> >>>> code
> >>>> as model citizens and even pays for lawyers to defend that code from
>
> >>>> silly
> >>>> law suits.
> >>>>
> >>>> In any case, there's no way VST will ever make it to GPL'd code so
I'm
> >>
> >>>> stuck
> >>>> with one Windows box no matter what. That said, the ALSA guys do
really
> >>
> >>>> good
> >>>> work under Linux, it's too bad it will be so underexploited.
> >>>>
> >>>> TCB
> >>>>
> >>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks for sharing your info about your Linux experience, Thad.
That's
> >>>>>good to hear. My old PARIS Intel box has became my Linux/BeOS box.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I've used a lot of different hardware and OS combinations over the
> >>>>>years. OSX with its command line, UNIX roots and tons of media
> >>>>>production software has covered my primary computing needs fairly
well
> >>>>>for the last couple of years. However things are steadily progressing
> >> in
> >>>>
> >>>>>Linux land and I think it has a bright future.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I hear you about proprietary systems. I'm not against them except
when
> >>>>>they are used to force out competition through means other than on
their
> >>>>
> >>>>>technical merits, as Microsoft has notably done. And on the flip
side,
> >>>>>their vulnerability in manipulated markets, as the Amiga and BeOS
ably
> >>>>>demonstrated. Open source has become the best way to survive in this
> >>>>>environment. Even Apple is participating in open source to an extent
> at
> >>>>
> >>>>>the kernel and browser levels.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I am not opposed to companies making money on their technology when
> >>>>>competing fairly on merits and pushing the envelope to provide needed
> >>>>>tools. I'm happy to pay fair prices for hardware and software when
they
> >>>>
> >>>>>meets my needs, and to support talented engineers in the quest. I
> >>>>>originally bought PARIS for that reason.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>But using monopolistic leveraging, Orwellian marketspeak, and
swallowing
> >>>>
> >>>>>other companies while killing a lot of great competitive tech and
> >>>>>promoting marginal tech, that kind of behavior doesn't endear much
> >>>>>respect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I got into Macs this time around because of OSX and the continued
> >>>>>strides being made with OSX production software. After years of
> >>>>>misdirection with OS7-8-9 and failed attempts to significantly
progress,
> >>>>
> >>>>>with OSX Apple was able to push the envelope to provide improved
> >>>>>technology for computing, media production, and lately, media
> >>>>>distribution.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm not saying Apple is perfect, there are disadvantages to some of
> >>>>>their decisions and they have had a lot of reports from me to help
them
> >>>>
> >>>>>improve. :^) But the advantages of OSX, generally solid hardware like
> >>>>>the current dual G5s, and a steady stream of capable software
transcend
> >>>>
> >>>>>the disadvantages right now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Good luck with your computer and music pursuits! When the time comes
> to
> >>>>
> >>>>>move your music production over to Linux I'd love to hear how it
goes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>> -Jamie
> >>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>TCB wrote:
> >>>>>> I was just busting your chops a bit. I yam what I yam.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On the "desktop" OS front I have converted 100% to Debian
GNU/Linux.
> >> I
> >>>> still
> >>>>>> have one M$oft box for my audio stuff (until Live, CubaseSX, VST,
> and
> >>>> a ton
> >>>>>> of other things get ported to GNU/Linux I have no choice), but
> >>>>>> everything
> >>>>>> else runs on GNU/Linux. I have to say whenver I use a desktop that
>
> >>>>>> isn't
> >>>>>> Gnome and doesn't give me immediate access to a powerful command
line
> >>>> I feel
> >>>>>> like I'm running on one leg. There are some bumps along the road,
> and
> >>>> I have
> >>>>>> to install some non free software for remote access to work
(including
> >>>> some
> >>>>>> kernel patches that are a PITA), but it's been worth every bit of
> the
> >>>> effort.
> >>>>>> Now that I'm doing computer work again for a living I'm happy to be
> >> free
> >>>>>> of proprietary software as much as humanly possible. For me all
> >>>>>> proprietary
> >>>>>> systems like OS X, XP, Vista, BeOS, and everything else are all
> >>>>>> roughly
> >>>> equivalent
> >>>>>> evils--places I have to spend some time in order to make a living.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Heh. Yep Thad, I'm running it on BeOS, maybe that's the problem?
;^)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Time for a BeOS report I guess. Palm bought BeOS and hired members
> of
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>the engineering team. Your Palm's operating system now benefits.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Be retained the right to sue Microsoft for closing them out of the
> OS
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>market for Intel boxes through illegally restrictive OEM
agreements.
> >>>>>>>Microsoft paid millions to settle. Chump change.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Wish it had been different. BeOS was full of great tech. Imagine
where
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>it could be today.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Heck, for that matter imagine where PARIS could be today, if
only...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>More on BeOS:
> >>>>>>>http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/
> >>>>>>>http://www.itjungle.com/mid/mid022702-story06.html
> >>>>>>>http://www.mv-voice.com/morgue/2003/2003_09_26.bisi.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Meanwhile OSX has been steadily improving and has some good stuff.
>
> >>>>>>>Oddly
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I ran Logic all day today in a project that was crashing left and
>
> >>>>>>>right
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>last time I worked on that project. It didn't crash once today.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So I don't know, maybe it's not a Logic problem. It may have to do
>
> >>>>>>>with
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Native Instruments plugins, whatever's going on with my system
drive
> >> or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>?. Or maybe a recent update fixed something. BTW, I do send bug
> >>>>>>>reports
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>to Apple so they've seen the detailed crash reports.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>The bug where Logic stops playing back a virtual synth did come up
> one
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>time today. That one needs to be fixed. Reloading the song is the
> >>>>>>>workaround.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On the plus side, Logic on a dual G5 is incredible in its
capabilities
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>and the music is sounding great.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Nice to hear from you, Thad.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>> -Jamie
> >>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>DJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>heheheh.........hi thad
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>;o)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message
news:438f5066$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>You're running this on BeOS, right?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I'm using Logic "Pro" 7.1 on a dual 2.5GHZ G5 running OSX. Logic
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>would
> >>>>>>>>>>be "Pro" if it didn't crash. Of course OSX doesn't go down when
>
> >>>>>>>>>>Logic
> >>>>>>>>>>does but it's still an interruption to restart Logic when it
> >>>>>>>>>>happens.
> >>>>>>>>>>Some of that may be a hardware problem with my rig, I'm tracking
> >> down
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>possible HD glitch right now.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The other thing about Logic is there is a bit of a learning
curve.
> >>>> Most
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>things are straight forward but a few things are obtuse. You
might
> >>>> give
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>yourself a few weeks to come up to speed, depending on what your
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>needs
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>are.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Those negatives aside, Logic has come a long way and it rocks.
> It
> >> has
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>incredible selection of useful plugins for convolution reverb,
> >>>>>>>>>>compression, limiting, distortion, EQ, etc. It also includes a
> good
> >>>>>>>>>>variety of excellent virtual instrument/synth plugins, and great
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>third
> >>>>>>>>>>party plugins are readily available. It really is a virtual
studio
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>I'm very happy with the tracks I'm producing. C'mon over and
check
> >>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>out if you're ever in the neighborhood.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Everything is automatable. Mixers show as many tracks as you
have.
> >>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>MIDI features are comprehensive. Logic can play video files for
>
> >>>>>>>>>>film
> >>>>>>>>>>scoring.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The G5 processors support so many plugins and tracks that I
rarely
> >>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>to "freeze" anything, it's all live. But if I ever need more CPU
> >>>>>>>>>>overhead, freezing a track converts a track and all plugin
> >>>>>>>>>>operations
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>an audio file. It can be unfrozen if any editing is needed.
There's
> >>>> also
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>an option to network with another Mac to farm out CPU time but
> I've
> >>>>>>>>>>never needed that with the G5. BTW, the new dual core dual
> >>>>>>>>>>processor
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> G5
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>box is somewhere around twice as fast as mine. Whoa.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>If at all possible, you should try to mix on each of the systems
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>you're
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>considering and see if the sound pleases your ear. The i/o you
>
> >>>>>>>>>>choose
> >>>>>>>>>>will also matter. Like Tony I'm using a MOTU 828MII which has
been
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>decent sounding, reliable piece of gear, and there are many
other
> >>>>>>>>>>options to consider. You can combine several i/o devices if you
>
> >>>>>>>>>>need
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>expand to additional channels. If you need flying faders there
> are
> >>>>>>>>>>several choices with or without built-in i/o.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>-Jamie
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Tony Benson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I suppose it would depend on your style of mixing, but I've
been
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>really
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>happy lately using DP 4.6 and PARIS. I track and mix first in
> DP
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>take
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>advantage of any virtual instruments I might want to use, and
> any
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>plugins
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>that won't work in PARIS. I'm using a MOTU 828 Mk2 firewire
> >>>>>>>>>>>interface
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>that
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>actually sounds pretty good. It doesn't add any character while
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>recording,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>but that's what I'm wanting at this stage. This first mix is
> >>>>>>>>>>>basically
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>just
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>a "get it close" type mix. I usually don't use any EQ plugins
> in
> >> DP
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>opting
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>for the nice PARIS EQ's instead. Once I've got things close in
> DP
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>freeze
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>all the tracks (equivalent to rendering with plugins in PARIS).
> >> Then
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>export the frozen DP tracks as 24 bit .wav files. Then I boot
> to
> >> OS9
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>use
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>SonicWorx to convert the .wavs to 24 bit .paf files. Then I
open
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>PARIS,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>add
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>the audio files, and do all my editing and final mixing in
PARIS.
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>still
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>like the editing in PARIS, I suppose because I'm so used to it.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Right
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>now
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I'm doing this all on one Mac dual processor G4 and dual
booting.
> >>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>getting a G5 soon though and dedicating the G4 to PARIS only.
> I'll
> >>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>share a firewire drive between the two. This will also let me
> use
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>G5 as
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>a virtual FX rack when mixing in PARIS using external sends.
> >>>>>>>>>>>Anyway,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>know
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>this approach is pretty convoluted and might not work for
> >>>>>>>>>>>everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>it's
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>my way of having the best of both worlds so to speak. The
modern
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>features
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>in
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>DP and the great sounding mix bus, EQ and easy editing in
PARIS.
> >>>> Not
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>mention the great PARIS plugs like NoLimit, BarbEQ, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Tony
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>news:438F262B.D0B3EB31@his.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I love Paris!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>But I'm beginning to realize, especially in the face of new,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>cool plugins that'll never work in Paris (like the Waves
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Transform Bundle, among others), that I'm eventually going
> >>>>>>>>>>>>to have to switch to something that actually has ongoing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>development and support.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>So what are my fellow Mac DAW users finding satisfying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>after Paris? I own Digital Performer (w/ an old 2408) and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Protools LE (w/ Digi 002). Neither seems as intuitive as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Paris, but I suppose I'd get faster if I immersed myself in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>one or the other. My big concern is sound quality. I haven't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>found either DP or PT LE as satisfying to listen to and mix on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>as Paris. I know I've lost business for not being a Protools
> >>>>>>>>>>>>studio, but PT HD would cost a couple of arms and legs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>What to do?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Gantt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>Thanks Rod. I'll try to pick it up tomorrow when I will be at a faster
connection.
JH
Rob Arsenault wrote:
> Try:
> ftp://manitou.serveftp.net
> user/pass = bt
>
> Also disable passive mode.
>
> Rob
>
>
> "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:43909f78$1@linux...
>
>>Anyone know where these can be downloaded from? the purgatorycreek urls
>>are not longer valid.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>JH
>
>
>Sory if I ask much but the way I do the project rebuild does not help.
How do you do a rebuild ?
I just go to audio folder export audio objects or wave files under a new
folder then save the new song and then reopen from new folder.
I guess you might refer to something different here right ?
Can you explain your way ?
Thanks
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Dimitrios,
>I agree with Erlilo. Try different channels or a different
>submix if you can. Otherwise rebuilding the mix from
>scratch in a new project is the next best bet. Copy all
>mixer settings and presets of effects to make it easier.
>Tom
>
>
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
>news:43908331$1@linux...
>
> Dimitrios, You probably know this, but just to make sure...
> If you want to use stereo native plugins, you can NOT have any mono =
>plugins
> on those tracks. That goes for native and EDS.
> Do you have any mono eds or native plugs also on the stereo pair?
> Rod
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >
> >Dear Tom,
> >It is not the plugin under other song I can open a stereo native =
>effect.
> >In my project I cannot open ANY stereo effect.
> >Even chainer only...
> >I can save my project no problem if I don't use a stereo native =
>effect.
> >ALSO on submix 3 I managed toopen a stereo native effect but not on =
>submix
> >1 or 4 , any suggestion ?
> >Regards,
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Dimitrios,
> >>Are you saying you can save before this stereo plugin
> >>is inserted? I'd say you may have a rouge plugin that
> >>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't like. Try the same thing
> >>in a different project. ie: Same stereo plugin inserted
> >>on another stereo pair of tracks. Now can you save?
> >>If so it may be your project. If not it's probably your plugin.
> >>
> >>Good luck,
> >>Tom
> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D
> >>news:43906b78$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Thanks for your suggestions.
> >> I have rendered using the hardware method via adat and achieved =
>one =3D
> >>nice
> >> compact stereo track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved all =
>audio
> >=3D
> >>files
> >> on new folder and saved under new name I used the clear missing =
>files
> >=3D
> >>just
> >> before that but again no luck when I put a stereo native effect on
=
>=3D
> >>this stereotrack
> >> even without hitting play when I try to save assertion fails and
=
>=3D
> >>doesn't
> >> allow of any save !
> >> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve ...
> >> rEGARDS,
> >> dIMITRIOS
> >>
> >> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Dimitrios,
> >> >Rendering is your answer. Don't render tracks with plugins. In
=
>=3D
> >>stereo
> >> =3D3D
> >> >the right side=3D3D20
> >> >won't have any effect. Double check to see that their timing is
=
>=3D
> >>correct
> >> =3D3D
> >> >too.
> >> >Some people have problems with that.
> >> >Tom
> >> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message =3D
> >>news:43900b57$1@linux...
> >> > There you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and =
>look
> =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >after that=3D3D20
> >> > each stereopair is starting and ending at the same places will
=
>do
> =3D
> >>the
> >> =3D3D
> >> >job=3D3D20
> >> > when saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if =3D
> >>something
> >> =3D3D
> >> >are=3D3D20
> >> > going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in =
>some
> =3D
> >>of =3D3D
> >> >the=3D3D20
> >> > stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in version
=
>2,
> >=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >when=3D3D20
> >> > mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left and right =
>and =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >muting all=3D3D20
> >> > other tracks. Then you can import them into the project again =
>on =3D
> >>their
> >> =3D3D
> >> >old=3D3D20
> >> > places and give them new names.
> >> >
> >> > Erling
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =3D3D
> >> >news:439000f1$1@linux...
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > > Thanks for your replies.
> >> > > What I have managed is to have the same start and end for =
>both =3D
> >>audio
> >> =3D3D
> >> >files
> >> > > just by cutting at cursor pointy on both tracks.
> >> > > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of themhas different cut
=
>=3D
> >>points
> >> =3D3D
> >> >and=3D3D20
> >> > > joint
> >> > > points , does this matter?
> >> > > If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not actually
=
>=3D
> >>stereo
> >> =3D3D
> >> >but
> >> > > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove =
>different =3D
> >>parts
> >> =3D3D
> >> >on=3D3D20
> >> > > each
> >> > > of the "stereo" tracks to make them on time.
> >> > > I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the stereo =3D
> >>perspective
> >> =3D3D
> >> >of=3D3D20
> >> > > them
> >> > > pl;aying hard left and hard right.
> >> > > Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening knob ?? =
>!!
> >> > > Amazing stereo result with complete mono compatibility , not
=
>like
> >=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >waves=3D3D20
> >> > > imager
> >> > > at all...
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > DImitrios
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "Ennio" <ennio@galicorp.net> wrote:
> >> > >>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides of the stereo =
>file
> =3D
> >>must
> >> =3D3D
> >> >be
> >> > > at
> >> > >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest down =
>you =3D
> >>can =3D3D
> >> >go on
> >> > > the
> >> > >>zoom tool)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message =3D
> >>news:438f4d36@linux...
> >> > >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or no =
>=3D
> >>different
> >> =3D3D
> >> >holes
> >> > >>in
> >> > >>> any of the stereo objects?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Erling
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding=3D3D20
> >> > >>> news:438f3760$1@linux...
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Hi,
> >> > >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I try =
>to =3D
> >>put a
> >> =3D3D
> >> >
> >> > >>> > stereo
> >> > >>> > native
> >> > >>> > effect on any audio track on any submix when I try to =
>save I
> >=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >always
> >> > > get
> >> > >>> > assertion
> >> > >>> > failed and cannot save either on same name or other...
> >> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as I did
=
>=3D
> >>before
> >> =3D3D
> >> >but
> >> > >>don't
> >> > >>> > know why Paris doesn't let to...
> >> > >>> > Regards,
> >> > >>> > Dimitrios
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >=3D3D20
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >> ><HTML><HEAD>
> >> ><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
>=3D3D
> >> >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> >> ><META content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> >> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> >> ></HEAD>
> >> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Rendering is your =
>answer. Don't
> >=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >render tracks=3D3D20
> >> >with plugins. In stereo the right side </FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial =3D3D
> >> >size=3D3D3D2>have any=3D3D20
> >> >effect. Double check to see that their timing is correct =3D3D
> >> >too.</FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Some people have =
>problems with
> =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >that.</FONT></DIV>
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
> >> >style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
=
>5px;
> =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> > <DIV>"erlilo" <<A =3D3D
> >> >href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D20
> >> > wrote in message <A=3D3D20
> >> > =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=
>ere
> >> =3D3D
> >> >you have=3D3D20
> >> > the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after that =
>=3D
> >><BR>each
> >> =3D3D
> >> >
> >> > stereopair is starting and ending at the same places will do =
>the =3D
> >>job =3D3D
> >> ><BR>when=3D3D20
> >> > saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if =
>something =3D
> >>are =3D3D
> >> ><BR>going=3D3D20
> >> > wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some of
=
>=3D
> >>the=3D3D20
> >> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in =
>version
> >=3D
> >>2,
> >> =3D3D
> >> >when=3D3D20
> >> > <BR>mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left and =
>right =3D
> >>and =3D3D
> >> >muting=3D3D20
> >> > all <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the project
=
>=3D
> >>again
> >> =3D3D
> >> >on their=3D3D20
> >> > old <BR>places and give them new =3D3D
> >> >names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20
> >> > <<A =
>href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >skrev i=3D3D20
> >> > melding <A=3D3D20
> >> > =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>href=3D3D3D"news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>><B=
>R>&g=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >t;=3D3D20
> >> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have managed is =
>to =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >have=3D3D20
> >> > the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by =
>cutting at
> >=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >cursor=3D3D20
> >> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks each
=
>of
> >=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >themhas=3D3D20
> >> > different cut points and <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =
>this=3D3D20
> >> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these tracks are =
>not
> =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >actually=3D3D20
> >> > stereo but<BR>> two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had =
>=3D3D
> >> >tomove=3D3D20
> >> > different parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to =
>=3D3D
> >> >make them=3D3D20
> >> > on time.<BR>> I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the
=
>=3D3D
> >> >stereo=3D3D20
> >> > perspective of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =
>hard=3D3D20
> >> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening
=
>=3D3D
> >> >knob ??=3D3D20
> >> > !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono compatibility
=
>, =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >not like=3D3D20
> >> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at all...<BR>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D20
> >> > DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio" <<A=3D3D20
> >> > =
>href=3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20
> >> > wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides of the
=
>=3D3D
> >> >stereo=3D3D20
> >> > file must be<BR>> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the =
>=3D3D
> >> >sample=3D3D20
> >> > (the furthest down you can go on<BR>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D20
> >> > tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D20
> >> > href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =
>wrote in
> =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >message <A=3D3D20
> >> > =3D3D
> >> =
>>href=3D3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>>>> =
>=3D3D
> >> >Is it=3D3D20
> >> > exactly the same length on each stereo files or no =
>different=3D3D20
> >> > holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the stereo=3D3D20
> >> > objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D20
> >> > Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> >> > href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
=
>skrev
> >=3D
> >>i =3D3D
> >> >melding=3D3D20
> >> > <BR>>>> <A=3D3D20
> >> > =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>href=3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&=
>g=3D3D=3D
> >>
> >> >t;=3D3D20
> >> > ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have almost =3D3D
> >> >finished my=3D3D20
> >> > project mixing and when I try to put a <BR>>>> >=3D3D20
> >> > stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > effect on any =3D3D
> >> >audio=3D3D20
> >> > track on any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >get<BR>>>>=3D3D20
> >> > > assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on =3D3D
> >> >same name=3D3D20
> >> > or other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use =3D3D
> >> >stereo=3D3D20
> >> > effects as I did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know =3D3D
> >> >why=3D3D20
> >> > Paris doesn't let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D20
> >> > =3D3D
> >> >Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D
> >> >=3D3D20
> >> > <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
> >>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
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> >><STYLE></STYLE>
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> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are you saying you can save =
>before this
> >=3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >>plugin</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>is inserted? I'd say you may =
>have =3D
> >>a rouge=3D20
> >>plugin that</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>your wrapper or Paris just =
>doesn't =3D
> >>like. Try=3D20
> >>the same thing</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in a different project. ie: =
>Same =3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >>plugin inserted</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>on another stereo pair of =
>tracks. =3D
> >>Now can you=3D20
> >>save?</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>If so it may be your project. =
>If =3D
> >>not it's=3D20
> >>probably your plugin.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Good luck,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
> >>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
=
>=3D
> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote
=
>in =3D
> >>message=3D20
> >> <A =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D"news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>=
>Than=3D
> >>ks=3D20
> >> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware method
=
>via
> >=3D
> >>adat=3D20
> >> and achieved one nice<BR>compact stereo track with my acoustic =3D
> >>guitars, I even=3D20
> >> saved all audio files<BR>on new folder and saved under new name I
=
>used
> >=3D
> >>the=3D20
> >> clear missing files just<BR>before that but again no luck when I =
>=3D
> >>put a=3D20
> >> stereo native effect on this stereotrack<BR>even without hitting =
>=3D
> >>play =3D20
> >> when I try to save assertion fails and doesn't<BR>allow of any =
>save =3D
> >>!<BR>Note=3D20
> >> that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve=3D20
> >> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> >> =
>href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>Rendering is your=3D20
> >> answer. Don't render tracks with plugins. In=3D20
> >> stereo<BR>=3D3D<BR>>the right side=3D3D20<BR>>won't have any =3D
> >>effect. =3D20
> >> Double check to see that their timing is =3D
> >>correct<BR>=3D3D<BR>>too.<BR>>Some=3D20
> >> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> "erlilo" =3D
> >><<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in
=
>=3D
> >>message <A=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>href=3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>=3D
> >> There=3D20
> >> you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>after=3D20
> >> that=3D3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending at the =3D
> >>same=3D20
> >> places will do the<BR>=3D3D<BR>>job=3D3D20<BR>> when saving =3D
> >>under a new=3D20
> >> name, just to be sure to go back if =3D
> >>something<BR>=3D3D<BR>>are=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some
=
>of=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>the=3D3D20<BR>> stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D
> >>old, hard=3D20
> >> way, as in version 2, =3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D20<BR>> mixing down =3D
> >>each=3D20
> >> stereopair with panning hard left and right and =
>=3D3D<BR>>muting=3D20
> >> all=3D3D20<BR>> other tracks. Then you can import them into the =
>=3D
> >>project=3D20
> >> again on their<BR>=3D3D<BR>>old=3D3D20<BR>> places and give =3D
> >>them new=3D20
> >> names.<BR>><BR>> Erling<BR>><BR>><BR>> =3D
> >>"Dimitrios"=3D20
> >> <<A href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
>=3D
> >>skrev i=3D20
> >> melding =3D3D<BR>>news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>> =3D
> >>><BR>> =3D20
> >> > Hi,<BR>> > Thanks for your replies.<BR>> =3D
> >>> What I=3D20
> >> have managed is to have the same start and end for both=3D20
> >> audio<BR>=3D3D<BR>>files<BR>> > just by cutting at cursor =3D
> >>pointy on=3D20
> >> both tracks.<BR>> > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of =3D
> >>themhas=3D20
> >> different cut points<BR>=3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D20<BR>> > =3D
> >>joint<BR>> =3D20
> >> > points , does this matter?<BR>> > If you ask me why =3D
> >>it is=3D20
> >> because these tracks are not actually =3D
> >>stereo<BR>=3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> =3D20
> >> > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove =
>different=3D20
> >> parts<BR>=3D3D<BR>>on=3D3D20<BR>> > each<BR>> > =3D
> >>of the=3D20
> >> "stereo" tracks to make them on time.<BR>> > I want a =3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >> effect because I wanna expand the stereo=3D20
> >> perspective<BR>=3D3D<BR>>of=3D3D20<BR>> > =3D
> >>them<BR>> >=3D20
> >> pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>> > Have you tried =3D
> >>T-racks=3D20
> >> compressor's stereo widening knob ?? !!<BR>> > Amazing =3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >> result with complete mono compatibility , not like=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>waves=3D3D20<BR>> > imager<BR>> > at=3D20
> >> all...<BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> > =3D
> >>DImitrios<BR>> =3D20
> >> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "Ennio" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>> >>The in-points (and out-points) on both =3D
> >>sides of=3D20
> >> the stereo file must<BR>=3D3D<BR>>be<BR>> > =3D
> >>at<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest down you =
>=3D
> >>can=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>go on<BR>> > the<BR>> >>zoom=3D20
> >> tool)<BR>> >><BR>> >>"erlilo" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in
=
>=3D
> >>message <A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>=3D20
> >> >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or no=3D20
> >> different<BR>=3D3D<BR>>holes<BR>> >>in<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>><BR>> >>> Erling<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev
=
>i=3D20
> >> melding=3D3D20<BR>> >>> <A=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>href=3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>=3D
> >>=3D20
> >> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Hi,<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I =3D
> >>try to=3D20
> >> put a<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> >>> > =3D
> >>stereo<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =3D
> >>audio=3D20
> >> track on any submix when I try to save I =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>always<BR>> >=3D20
> >> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>> =3D
> >>>>> >=3D20
> >> failed and cannot save either on same name or other...<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as =3D
> >>I did=3D20
> >> before<BR>=3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> >>don't<BR>> =3D
> >>>>>=3D20
> >> > know why Paris doesn't let to...<BR>> >>> >=3D20
> >> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>> =3D20
> >> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> =3D
> >>>><BR>> =3D20
> >> >><BR>> =3D
> >>>=3D3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE=3D20
> >> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20
> >> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D20
> >> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =3D
> >>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20
> >> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=3D
> >>D><BR>><BODY=3D20
> >> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D
> >>ONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Rendering is your answer. Don't =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>render=3D20
> >> tracks=3D3D20<BR>>with plugins. In stereo the right side=3D20
> >> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>have=3D20
> >> any=3D3D20<BR>>effect. Double check to see that their timing is =
>=3D
> >>correct=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2>Some people have problems with=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>that.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR >=3D
> >>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D20
> >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
>=3D
> >>#000000 2px=3D20
> >> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"erlilo" =3D
> >><<A=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D20'>mailto=
>:erlil=3D
> >>o@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>> =3D20
> >> wrote in message <A=3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Ther=
>e'>n=3D
> >>ews:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=3D
> >>ere</A><BR>=3D3D<BR>>you=3D20
> >> have=3D3D20<BR>> the problem. I think rendering the tracks and =3D
> >>look after=3D20
> >> that <BR>each<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> stereopair is =3D
> >>starting and=3D20
> >> ending at the same places will do the job=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>><BR>when=3D3D20<BR>> saving under a new name, =3D
> >>just to be=3D20
> >> sure to go back if something are =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>><BR>going=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some =
>of=3D20
> >> the=3D3D20<BR>> <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D
> >>old, hard=3D20
> >> way, as in version 2,<BR>=3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >><BR>mixing down=3D20
> >> each stereopair with panning hard left and right and=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D20<BR>> all <BR>other tracks. Then =3D
> >>you can=3D20
> >> import them into the project again<BR>=3D3D<BR>>on =3D
> >>their=3D3D20<BR>> old=3D20
> >> <BR>places and give them new=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>=3D
> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> <<A href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musu=
>rgio=3D
> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>skrev i=3D3D20<BR>> melding <A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>
> >> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&=
>=3D
> >>g'>news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D
> >>><BR>&g</A>=3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have =3D
> >>managed=3D20
> >> is to =3D3D<BR>>have=3D3D20<BR>> the same start and end for =3D
> >>both audio=3D20
> >> files<BR>> just by cutting at =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>cursor=3D3D20<BR>> pointy=3D20
> >> on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks each of=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>themhas=3D3D20<BR>> different cut points and =3D
> >><BR>>=3D20
> >> joint<BR>> points , does this=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>matter?<BR>>=3D20
> >> If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>actually=3D3D20<BR>> stereo but<BR>> two =3D
> >>takes of=3D20
> >> acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D3D<BR>>tomove=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>different=3D20
> >> parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>make them=3D3D20<BR>> on time.<BR>> I want =3D
> >>a stereo=3D20
> >> effect because I wanna expand the =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>perspective=3D20
> >> of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and=3D20
> >> hard=3D3D20<BR>> right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks =3D
> >>compressor's=3D20
> >> stereo widening =3D3D<BR>>knob ??=3D3D20<BR>> !!<BR>> =3D
> >>Amazing=3D20
> >> stereo result with complete mono compatibility , =
>=3D3D<BR>>not=3D20
> >> like=3D3D20<BR>> waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at=3D20
> >> all...<BR>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20'>ma=
>ilto:e=3D
> >>nnio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>>&n=3D
> >>bsp;=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides =3D
> >>of the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> file must be<BR>>=3D20
> >> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>sample=3D3D20<BR>> (the furthest down you can go=3D20
> >> on<BR>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" =3D
> >><<A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@o=
>nlin=3D
> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>message <A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR'>news:438f=
>4d36=3D
> >>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>Is it=3D3D20<BR>> exactly the same length on each =3D
> >>stereo files=3D20
> >> or no different=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the=3D20
> >> stereo=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >>objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musu=
>rgio=3D
> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> skrev i =3D3D<BR>>melding=3D3D20<BR>> <BR>>>>=3D20
> >> <A=3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g'>=
>=3D
> >>news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=3D
> >>;>&g</A>=3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have =3D
> >>almost=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>finished my=3D3D20<BR>> project mixing and when I =3D
> >>try to put a=3D20
> >> <BR>>>> >=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>stereo<BR>>>> >=3D20
> >> native<BR>>>> > effect on any=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>audio=3D3D20<BR>> track on any submix when I try to =3D
> >>save I=3D20
> >> always<BR>> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>get<BR>>>>=3D3D20<BR>> >=3D20
> >> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>same name=3D3D20<BR>> or =3D
> >>other...<BR>>>> > The=3D20
> >> problem is that I want to use =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>effects as I=3D20
> >> did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>why=3D3D20<BR>> Paris doesn't let =3D
> >>to...<BR>>>>=3D20
> >> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>
> >> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>=3D
> >>;>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>=3D
> >><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with Erlilo. Try =
>different channels=20
>or a different</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>submix if you can. Otherwise =
>rebuilding the=20
>mix from</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>scratch in a new project is the next =
>best=20
>bet. Copy all</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mixer settings and presets of effects =
>to make it=20
>easier.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>t;=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43908331$1@linux">news:43908331$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
>trios,=20
> You probably know this, but just to make sure...<BR>If you want to use
=
>stereo=20
> native plugins, you can NOT have any mono plugins<BR>on those tracks.
=
>That=20
> goes for native and EDS.<BR>Do you have any mono eds or native plugs =
>also on=20
> the stereo pair?<BR>Rod<BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Dear Tom,<BR>>It is not the plugin under =
>other song I=20
> can open a stereo native effect.<BR>>In my project I cannot open =
>ANY stereo=20
> effect.<BR>>Even chainer only...<BR>>I can save my project no =
>problem if=20
> I don't use a stereo native effect.<BR>>ALSO on submix 3 I managed =
>toopen a=20
> stereo native effect but not on submix<BR>>1 or 4 , any suggestion=20
> ?<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Dimitrios,<BR>>>Are =
>you saying=20
> you can save before this stereo plugin<BR>>>is inserted? =
>I'd say=20
> you may have a rouge plugin that<BR>>>your wrapper or Paris just =
>doesn't=20
> like. Try the same thing<BR>>>in a different =
>project. ie:=20
> Same stereo plugin inserted<BR>>>on another stereo pair of =
>tracks. =20
> Now can you save?<BR>>>If so it may be your project. If =
>not it's=20
> probably your plugin.<BR>>><BR>>>Good=20
> luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> =3D<BR>>>news:43906b78$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>> =
>Thanks for=20
> your suggestions.<BR>>> I have rendered using the hardware =
>method=20
> via adat and achieved one =3D<BR>>>nice<BR>>> =
>compact stereo=20
> track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved all=20
> audio<BR>>=3D<BR>>>files<BR>>> on new folder and =
>saved=20
> under new name I used the clear missing =20
> files<BR>>=3D<BR>>>just<BR>>> before that but =
>again no luck=20
> when I put a stereo native effect on =3D<BR>>>this=20
> stereotrack<BR>>> even without hitting play when I =
>try to=20
> save assertion fails and =3D<BR>>>doesn't<BR>>> =
>allow of any=20
> save !<BR>>> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when =
>I hit=20
> SAve ...<BR>>> rEGARDS,<BR>>> =20
> dIMITRIOS<BR>>><BR>>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =
>
> >Dimitrios,<BR>>> >Rendering is your answer. =
>Don't=20
> render tracks with plugins. In =
>=3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >the right side=3D3D20<BR>>> =
>>won't have=20
> any effect. Double check to see that their timing is=20
> =3D<BR>>>correct<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >too.<BR>>> >Some people have problems with=20
> that.<BR>>> >Tom<BR>>> > "erlilo" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> =3D<BR>>>news:43900b57$1@linux...<BR>>> > =
>There you=20
> have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and=20
> look<BR>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> >after=20
> that=3D3D20<BR>>> > each stereopair is starting =
>and ending=20
> at the same places will do<BR>=3D<BR>>>the<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >job=3D3D20<BR>>> > =
>when saving=20
> under a new name, just to be sure to go back if=20
> =3D<BR>>>something<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >are=3D3D20<BR>>> > going wrong again. If the =
>time=20
> alignments are going wrong in some<BR>=3D<BR>>>of =
>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >the=3D3D20<BR>>> > stereofiles, you can =
>rendering the=20
> old, hard way, as in version =
>2,<BR>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >when=3D3D20<BR>>> > mixing down each =
>stereopair with=20
> panning hard left and right and =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =
>>muting=20
> all=3D3D20<BR>>> > other tracks. Then you can =
>import them=20
> into the project again on =3D<BR>>>their<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >old=3D3D20<BR>>> > =
>places and=20
> give them new names.<BR>>> ><BR>>> =
>> =20
> Erling<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =
>
> > "Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev i =
>melding=20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>>> =
>
> > ><BR>>> > > =
>Hi,<BR>>> =20
> > > Thanks for your replies.<BR>>> > =
>>=20
> What I have managed is to have the same start and end for both=20
> =3D<BR>>>audio<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >files<BR>>> > > just by cutting at cursor =
>pointy=20
> on both tracks.<BR>>> > > Buit insight the =
>stereo=20
> tracks each of themhas different cut =
>=3D<BR>>>points<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >and=3D3D20<BR>>> > =
>>=20
> joint<BR>>> > > points , does this=20
> matter?<BR>>> > > If you ask me why it is =
>because=20
> these tracks are not actually =3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >but<BR>>> > > two =
>takes of=20
> acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove different=20
> =3D<BR>>>parts<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >on=3D3D20<BR>>> > > each<BR>>> =
>
> > > of the "stereo" tracks to make them on =
>time.<BR>>> =20
> > > I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the =
>stereo=20
> =3D<BR>>>perspective<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >of=3D3D20<BR>>> > > them<BR>>> =
>
> > > pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>>> =20
> > > Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening =
>knob ??=20
> !!<BR>>> > > Amazing stereo result with =
>complete mono=20
> compatibility , not like<BR>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =
>
> >waves=3D3D20<BR>>> > > =
>imager<BR>>> =20
> > > at all...<BR>>> > >=20
> Cheers,<BR>>> > > DImitrios<BR>>> =20
> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> =
>> =20
> > "Ennio" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>> > >>The in-points (and =
>out-points) on=20
> both sides of the stereo file<BR>=3D<BR>>>must<BR>>> =
>
> =3D3D<BR>>> >be<BR>>> > >=20
> at<BR>>> > >>the identical spot - down to =
>the=20
> sample (the furthest down you =3D<BR>>>can =
>=3D3D<BR>>> >go=20
> on<BR>>> > > the<BR>>> > =20
> >>zoom tool)<BR>>> > =
>>><BR>>> =20
> > >>"erlilo" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> =3D<BR>>>news:438f4d36@linux...<BR>>> > =
>>>>=20
> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or no=20
> =3D<BR>>>different<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >holes<BR>>> > >>in<BR>>> =
>> =20
> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>>> > =20
> >>><BR>>> > >>>=20
> Erling<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> =
>> =20
> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev i=20
> melding=3D3D20<BR>>> > >>> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&n=
>bsp;=20
> > >>> ><BR>>> > >>> =
>>=20
> Hi,<BR>>> > >>> > I have almost =
>finished my=20
> project mixing and when I try to =3D<BR>>>put =
>a<BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> ><BR>>> > >>> =
>>=20
> stereo<BR>>> > >>> > =
>native<BR>>> =20
> > >>> > effect on any audio track on any submix =
>when I=20
> try to save I<BR>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >always<BR>>> > > get<BR>>> =
>> =20
> >>> > assertion<BR>>> > >>> =
>>=20
> failed and cannot save either on same name or =
>other...<BR>>> =20
> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo =
>effects=20
> as I did =3D<BR>>>before<BR>>> =
>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >but<BR>>> > >>don't<BR>>> =20
> > >>> > know why Paris doesn't let=20
> to...<BR>>> > >>> >=20
> Regards,<BR>>> > >>> >=20
> Dimitrios<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> =20
> > >>><BR>>> > =20
> >><BR>>> > >><BR>>> =
>> =20
> >=3D3D20<BR>>> ><BR>>> =
>><BR>>> =20
> ><BR>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML =
>4.0=20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>>> =20
> ><HTML><HEAD><BR>>> ><META=20
> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>>> ><META=20
> content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =
>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>> =20
> ><STYLE></STYLE><BR>>> =20
> ></HEAD><BR>>> ><BODY=20
> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>>> ><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =20
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Rendering is =
>your answer.=20
> Don't<BR>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> >render=20
> tracks=3D3D20<BR>>> >with plugins. In stereo the right =
>side=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>>> ><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>>face=3D3D3DArial =3D3D<BR>>> =
>>size=3D3D3D2>have=20
> any=3D3D20<BR>>> >effect. Double check to see that =
>their timing=20
> is correct =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >too.</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =
>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Some people have problems=20
> with<BR>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >that.</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =
>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3D3DArial =
>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =20
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR>>> =
>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=20
> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
>5px;<BR>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
>0px"><BR>>> =20
> > <DIV>"erlilo" <<A =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >href=3D3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D20'>mailto:erl=
>ilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>>>&n=
>bsp;=20
> > wrote in message <A=3D3D20<BR>>> > =20
> =3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>There'>n=
>ews:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=
>ere</A><BR>>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >you have=3D3D20<BR>>> =
>> the=20
> problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after that=20
> =3D<BR>>><BR>each<BR>>> =
>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> ><BR>>> > stereopair is starting and ending at =
>the=20
> same places will do the =3D<BR>>>job =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> ><BR>when=3D3D20<BR>>> > saving under a =
>new name,=20
> just to be sure to go back if something =3D<BR>>>are =
>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> ><BR>going=3D3D20<BR>>> > wrong again. =
>If the time=20
> alignments are going wrong in some of =
>=3D<BR>>>the=3D3D20<BR>>> =20
> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, =
>as in=20
> version<BR>>=3D<BR>>>2,<BR>>> =
>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >when=3D3D20<BR>>> > <BR>mixing down =
>each=20
> stereopair with panning hard left and right =3D<BR>>>and=20
> =3D3D<BR>>> >muting=3D3D20<BR>>> > =
>all=20
> <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the project=20
> =3D<BR>>>again<BR>>> =3D3D<BR>>> >on=20
> their=3D3D20<BR>>> > old <BR>places and =
>give them new=20
> =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> =
>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitr=
>ios"=3D3D20<BR>>> =20
> > <<A href=3D3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
> =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> >skrev =
>i=3D3D20<BR>>> =20
> > melding <A=3D3D20<BR>>> > =20
> =3D3D<BR>>> =3D<BR>>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&=
>g'>news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=
>><BR>&g</A>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >t;=3D3D20<BR>>> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks =
>for your=20
> replies.<BR>> What I have managed is to=20
> =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =
>>have=3D3D20<BR>>> > =20
> the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by =
>cutting=20
> at<BR>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =
>>cursor=3D3D20<BR>>> =20
> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the =
>stereo tracks=20
> each of<BR>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >themhas=3D3D20<BR>>> > different cut points =
>and=20
> <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =
>this=3D3D20<BR>>> =20
> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these =
>tracks=20
> are not<BR>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >actually=3D3D20<BR>>> > stereo =
>but<BR>> two=20
> takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >tomove=3D3D20<BR>>> > different parts on =
><BR>>=20
> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to =3D3D<BR>>> =
>>make=20
> them=3D3D20<BR>>> > on time.<BR>> I want =
>a stereo=20
> effect because I wanna expand the =3D3D<BR>>> =20
> >stereo=3D3D20<BR>>> > perspective of =
><BR>>=20
> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =
>hard=3D3D20<BR>>> =20
> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's =
>stereo=20
> widening =3D3D<BR>>> >knob ??=3D3D20<BR>>> =
>> =20
> !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =
>compatibility ,=20
> =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>> >not =
>like=3D3D20<BR>>> =20
> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at =
>all...<BR>>=20
> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D20<BR>>> > =20
> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=20
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59773 is a reply to message #59725] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 00:46 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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t;Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =3D
>>news:43908331$1@linux...
>>
>> Dimitrios, You probably know this, but just to make sure...
>> If you want to use stereo native plugins, you can NOT have any =
mono =3D
>>plugins
>> on those tracks. That goes for native and EDS.
>> Do you have any mono eds or native plugs also on the stereo pair?
>> Rod
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >
>> >Dear Tom,
>> >It is not the plugin under other song I can open a stereo native =
=3D
>>effect.
>> >In my project I cannot open ANY stereo effect.
>> >Even chainer only...
>> >I can save my project no problem if I don't use a stereo native =
=3D
>>effect.
>> >ALSO on submix 3 I managed toopen a stereo native effect but not =
on =3D
>>submix
>> >1 or 4 , any suggestion ?
>> >Regards,
>> >Dimitrios
>> >
>> >"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Dimitrios,
>> >>Are you saying you can save before this stereo plugin
>> >>is inserted? I'd say you may have a rouge plugin that
>> >>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't like. Try the same thing
>> >>in a different project. ie: Same stereo plugin inserted
>> >>on another stereo pair of tracks. Now can you save?
>> >>If so it may be your project. If not it's probably your plugin.
>> >>
>> >>Good luck,
>> >>Tom
>> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D3D
>> >>news:43906b78$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your suggestions.
>> >> I have rendered using the hardware method via adat and =
achieved =3D
>>one =3D3D
>> >>nice
>> >> compact stereo track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved =
all =3D
>>audio
>> >=3D3D
>> >>files
>> >> on new folder and saved under new name I used the clear =
missing =3D
>>files
>> >=3D3D
>> >>just
>> >> before that but again no luck when I put a stereo native =
effect on
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>this stereotrack
>> >> even without hitting play when I try to save assertion fails =
and
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>doesn't
>> >> allow of any save !
>> >> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve ...
>> >> rEGARDS,
>> >> dIMITRIOS
>> >>
>> >> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Dimitrios,
>> >> >Rendering is your answer. Don't render tracks with plugins. =
In
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>stereo
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >the right side=3D3D3D20
>> >> >won't have any effect. Double check to see that their timing =
is
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>correct
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >too.
>> >> >Some people have problems with that.
>> >> >Tom
>> >> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message =3D3D
>> >>news:43900b57$1@linux...
>> >> > There you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks =
and =3D
>>look
>> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >after that=3D3D3D20
>> >> > each stereopair is starting and ending at the same places =
will
> =3D
>>do
>> =3D3D
>> >>the
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >job=3D3D3D20
>> >> > when saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if =
=3D3D
>> >>something
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >are=3D3D3D20
>> >> > going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong =
in =3D
>>some
>> =3D3D
>> >>of =3D3D3D
>> >> >the=3D3D3D20
>> >> > stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in =
version
> =3D
>>2,
>> >=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >when=3D3D3D20
>> >> > mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left and =
right =3D
>>and =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >muting all=3D3D3D20
>> >> > other tracks. Then you can import them into the project =
again =3D
>>on =3D3D
>> >>their
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >old=3D3D3D20
>> >> > places and give them new names.
>> >> >
>> >> > Erling
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =3D3D3D
>> >> >news:439000f1$1@linux...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi,
>> >> > > Thanks for your replies.
>> >> > > What I have managed is to have the same start and end for =
=3D
>>both =3D3D
>> >>audio
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >files
>> >> > > just by cutting at cursor pointy on both tracks.
>> >> > > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of themhas different =
cut
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>points
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >and=3D3D3D20
>> >> > > joint
>> >> > > points , does this matter?
>> >> > > If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not =
actually
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>stereo
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >but
>> >> > > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove =3D
>>different =3D3D
>> >>parts
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >on=3D3D3D20
>> >> > > each
>> >> > > of the "stereo" tracks to make them on time.
>> >> > > I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the stereo =
=3D3D
>> >>perspective
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >of=3D3D3D20
>> >> > > them
>> >> > > pl;aying hard left and hard right.
>> >> > > Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening knob =
?? =3D
>>!!
>> >> > > Amazing stereo result with complete mono compatibility , =
not
> =3D
>>like
>> >=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >waves=3D3D3D20
>> >> > > imager
>> >> > > at all...
>> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> > > DImitrios
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Ennio" <ennio@galicorp.net> wrote:
>> >> > >>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides of the =
stereo =3D
>>file
>> =3D3D
>> >>must
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >be
>> >> > > at
>> >> > >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest =
down =3D
>>you =3D3D
>> >>can =3D3D3D
>> >> >go on
>> >> > > the
>> >> > >>zoom tool)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message =3D3D
>> >>news:438f4d36@linux...
>> >> > >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or =
no =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>different
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >holes
>> >> > >>in
>> >> > >>> any of the stereo objects?
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Erling
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i =
melding=3D3D3D20
>> >> > >>> news:438f3760$1@linux...
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> > Hi,
>> >> > >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I =
try =3D
>>to =3D3D
>> >>put a
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >
>> >> > >>> > stereo
>> >> > >>> > native
>> >> > >>> > effect on any audio track on any submix when I try to =
=3D
>>save I
>> >=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >always
>> >> > > get
>> >> > >>> > assertion
>> >> > >>> > failed and cannot save either on same name or =
other...
>> >> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as I =
did
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>before
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >but
>> >> > >>don't
>> >> > >>> > know why Paris doesn't let to...
>> >> > >>> > Regards,
>> >> > >>> > Dimitrios
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >=3D3D3D20
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 =
Transitional//EN">
>> >> ><HTML><HEAD>
>> >> ><META http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type =
content=3D3D3D3D"text/html; =3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
>> >> ><META content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =
name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR>
>> >> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>> >> ></HEAD>
>> >> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff>
>> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
>> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is =
your =3D
>>answer. Don't
>> >=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >render tracks=3D3D3D20
>> >> >with plugins. In stereo the right side </FONT></DIV>
>> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>won't =
</FONT><FONT =3D3D
>> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D3D
>> >> >size=3D3D3D3D2>have any=3D3D3D20
>> >> >effect. Double check to see that their timing is correct =
=3D3D3D
>> >> >too.</FONT></DIV>
>> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Some people have =
=3D
>>problems with
>> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >that.</FONT></DIV>
>> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D20
>> >> >style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT:
> =3D
>>5px;
>> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> >> > <DIV>"erlilo" <<A =3D3D3D
>> >> =
>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D20
>> >> > wrote in message <A=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DI=
V>Th=3D
>>ere
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >you have=3D3D3D20
>> >> > the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after =
that =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >><BR>each
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >
>> >> > stereopair is starting and ending at the same places will =
do =3D
>>the =3D3D
>> >>job =3D3D3D
>> >> ><BR>when=3D3D3D20
>> >> > saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if =3D
>>something =3D3D
>> >>are =3D3D3D
>> >> ><BR>going=3D3D3D20
>> >> > wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some =
of
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>the=3D3D3D20
>> >> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in =
=3D
>>version
>> >=3D3D
>> >>2,
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >when=3D3D3D20
>> >> > <BR>mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left and =
=3D
>>right =3D3D
>> >>and =3D3D3D
>> >> >muting=3D3D3D20
>> >> > all <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the =
project
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>again
>> >> =3D3D3D
>> >> >on their=3D3D3D20
>> >> > old <BR>places and give them new =3D3D3D
>> >> >names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitrios"=3D3D3D20
>> >> > <<A =3D
>>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >skrev i=3D3D3D20
>> >> > melding <A=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =3D3D3D
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR=
>><B=3D
>>R>&g=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >t;=3D3D3D20
>> >> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have managed =
is =3D
>>to =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >have=3D3D3D20
>> >> > the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by =
=3D
>>cutting at
>> >=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >cursor=3D3D3D20
>> >> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks =
each
> =3D
>>of
>> >=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >themhas=3D3D3D20
>> >> > different cut points and <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =3D
>>this=3D3D3D20
>> >> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these tracks =
are =3D
>>not
>> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >actually=3D3D3D20
>> >> > stereo but<BR>> two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I =
had =3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >tomove=3D3D3D20
>> >> > different parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks =
to =3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >make them=3D3D3D20
>> >> > on time.<BR>> I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand =
the
> =3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >stereo=3D3D3D20
>> >> > perspective of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =3D
>>hard=3D3D3D20
>> >> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo =
widening
> =3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >knob ??=3D3D3D20
>> >> > !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =
compatibility
> =3D
>>, =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >not like=3D3D3D20
>> >> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at all...<BR>> =
Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D20
>> >> > DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio" <<A=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D=
20
>> >> > wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides of =
the
> =3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >stereo=3D3D3D20
>> >> > file must be<BR>> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the =
=3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >sample=3D3D3D20
>> >> > (the furthest down you can go on<BR>> =
the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D20
>> >> > tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =
href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =3D
>>wrote in
>> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D
>> >> >message <A=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =3D3D3D
>> >> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>>>> =
=3D
>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >Is it=3D3D3D20
>> >> > exactly the same length on each stereo files or no =3D
>>different=3D3D3D20
>> >> > holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the stereo=3D3D3D20
>> >> > objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D20
>> >> > Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =
href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
> =3D
>>skrev
>> >=3D3D
>> >>i =3D3D3D
>> >> >melding=3D3D3D20
>> >> > <BR>>>> <A=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =3D3D3D
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR=
>>>&=3D
>>g=3D3D3D=3D3D
>> >>
>> >> >t;=3D3D3D20
>> >> > ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have almost =3D3D3D
>> >> >finished my=3D3D3D20
>> >> > project mixing and when I try to put a <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D20
>> >> > stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > effect on any =3D3D3D
>> >> >audio=3D3D3D20
>> >> > track on any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =
=3D3D3D
>> >> >get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20
>> >> > > assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on =
=3D3D3D
>> >> >same name=3D3D3D20
>> >> > or other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use =
=3D3D3D
>> >> >stereo=3D3D3D20
>> >> > effects as I did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know =
=3D3D3D
>> >> >why=3D3D3D20
>> >> > Paris doesn't let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D3D
>> >> >>=3D3D3D20
>> >> > =3D3D3D
>> >> >Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D3D
>> >> >=3D3D3D20
>> >> > <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> >><HTML><HEAD>
>> >><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
=3D3D
>> >>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
>> >><META content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =
name=3D3D3DGENERATOR>
>> >><STYLE></STYLE>
>> >></HEAD>
>> >><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Are you saying you can =
save =3D
>>before this
>> >=3D3D
>> >>stereo=3D3D20
>> >>plugin</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>is inserted? I'd say =
you may =3D
>>have =3D3D
>> >>a rouge=3D3D20
>> >>plugin that</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>your wrapper or Paris =
just =3D
>>doesn't =3D3D
>> >>like. Try=3D3D20
>> >>the same thing</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>in a different project. =
ie: =3D
>>Same =3D3D
>> >>stereo=3D3D20
>> >>plugin inserted</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>on another stereo pair =
of =3D
>>tracks. =3D3D
>> >>Now can you=3D3D20
>> >>save?</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>If so it may be your =
project. =3D
>>If =3D3D
>> >>not it's=3D3D20
>> >>probably your plugin.</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Good luck,</FONT></DIV>
>> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>> >><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
>> >>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px;
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> >> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
>> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
wrote
> =3D
>>in =3D3D
>> >>message=3D3D20
>> >> <A =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D"news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
<BR>=3D
>>Than=3D3D
>> >>ks=3D3D20
>> >> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware =
method
> =3D
>>via
>> >=3D3D
>> >>adat=3D3D20
>> >> and achieved one nice<BR>compact stereo track with my acoustic =
=3D3D
>> >>guitars, I even=3D3D20
>> >> saved all audio files<BR>on new folder and saved under new =
name I
> =3D
>>used
>> >=3D3D
>> >>the=3D3D20
>> >> clear missing files just<BR>before that but again no luck when =
I =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>put a=3D3D20
>> >> stereo native effect on this stereotrack<BR>even without =
hitting =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>play =3D3D20
>> >> when I try to save assertion fails and doesn't<BR>allow of any =
=3D
>>save =3D3D
>> >>!<BR>Note=3D3D20
>> >> that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve=3D3D20
>> >> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20=
>> >> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>Rendering is your=3D3D20
>> >> answer. Don't render tracks with plugins. In=3D3D20
>> >> stereo<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>the right side=3D3D3D20<BR>>won't have =
any =3D3D
>> >>effect. =3D3D20
>> >> Double check to see that their timing is =3D3D
>> >>correct<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>too.<BR>>Some=3D3D20
>> >> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> "erlilo" =3D3D
>> >><<A=3D3D20
>> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =
wrote in
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>message <A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =
>>href=3D3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
=3D
>>=3D3D
>> >> There=3D3D20
>> >> you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look =
=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>after=3D3D20
>> >> that=3D3D3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending at =
the =3D3D
>> >>same=3D3D20
>> >> places will do the<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>job=3D3D3D20<BR>> when =
saving =3D3D
>> >>under a new=3D3D20
>> >> name, just to be sure to go back if =3D3D
>> >>something<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>are=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in =
some
> =3D
>>of=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>the=3D3D3D20<BR>> stereofiles, you can rendering =
the =3D3D
>> >>old, hard=3D3D20
>> >> way, as in version 2, =3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> mixing =
down =3D3D
>> >>each=3D3D20
>> >> stereopair with panning hard left and right and =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D20
>> >> all=3D3D3D20<BR>> other tracks. Then you can import them into =
the =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>project=3D3D20
>> >> again on their<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>old=3D3D3D20<BR>> places and =
give =3D3D
>> >>them new=3D3D20
>> >> names.<BR>><BR>> Erling<BR>><BR>><BR>> =3D3D
>> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20
>> >> <<A =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>skrev i=3D3D20
>> >> melding =3D3D3D<BR>>news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>><BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> > Hi,<BR>> > Thanks for your replies.<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>> What I=3D3D20
>> >> have managed is to have the same start and end for both=3D3D20
>> >> audio<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>files<BR>> > just by cutting at cursor =
=3D3D
>> >>pointy on=3D3D20
>> >> both tracks.<BR>> > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of =
=3D3D
>> >>themhas=3D3D20
>> >> different cut points<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D3D20<BR>> > =3D3D
>> >>joint<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> > points , does this matter?<BR>> > If you ask me why =3D3D
>> >>it is=3D3D20
>> >> because these tracks are not actually =3D3D
>> >>stereo<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove =3D
>>different=3D3D20
>> >> parts<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>on=3D3D3D20<BR>> > each<BR>> > =3D3D
>> >>of the=3D3D20
>> >> "stereo" tracks to make them on time.<BR>> > I want a =3D3D
>> >>stereo=3D3D20
>> >> effect because I wanna expand the stereo=3D3D20
>> >> perspective<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>of=3D3D3D20<BR>> > =3D3D
>> >>them<BR>> >=3D3D20
>> >> pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>> > Have you tried =3D3D
>> >>T-racks=3D3D20
>> >> compressor's stereo widening knob ?? !!<BR>> > Amazing =3D3D
>> >>stereo=3D3D20
>> >> result with complete mono compatibility , not like=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>waves=3D3D3D20<BR>> > imager<BR>> > at=3D3D20
>> >> all...<BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> > =3D3D
>> >>DImitrios<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "Ennio" <<A=3D3D20
>> >> =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20
>> >> wrote:<BR>> >>The in-points (and out-points) on both =3D3D
>> >>sides of=3D3D20
>> >> the stereo file must<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>be<BR>> > =3D3D
>> >>at<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest down =
you =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>can=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>go on<BR>> > the<BR>> >>zoom=3D3D20
>> >> tool)<BR>> >><BR>> >>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D20
>> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =
wrote in
> =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>message <A=3D3D20
>> >> =
href=3D3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>> =3D
>>=3D3D20
>> >> >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or =
no=3D3D20
>> >> different<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>holes<BR>> >>in<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >>><BR>> >>> Erling<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
>> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
skrev
> =3D
>>i=3D3D20
>> >> melding=3D3D3D20<BR>> >>> <A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =
>>href=3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
=3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>=3D3D20
>> >> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Hi,<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I =
=3D3D
>> >>try to=3D3D20
>> >> put a<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>><BR>> >>> > =3D3D
>> >>stereo<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =3D3D
>> >>audio=3D3D20
>> >> track on any submix when I try to save I =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>always<BR>> >=3D3D20
>> >> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>>>> >=3D3D20
>> >> failed and cannot save either on same name or other...<BR>> =
=3D3D20
>> >> >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as =
=3D3D
>> >>I did=3D3D20
>> >> before<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> >>don't<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>>>>=3D3D20
>> >> > know why Paris doesn't let to...<BR>> >>> >=3D3D20
>> >> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> =3D3D
>> >>>><BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> >><BR>> =3D3D
>> >>>=3D3D3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE=3D3D20
>> >> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D3D20
>> >> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D3D20
>> >> http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type =
content=3D3D3D3D"text/html;=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =3D3D
>> >>content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D3D20
>> >> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> >>name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=3D3D
>> >>D><BR>><BODY=3D3D20
>> >> bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> >>size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D3D
>> >>ONT=3D3D20
>> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is your answer. =
Don't =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>render=3D3D20
>> >> tracks=3D3D3D20<BR>>with plugins. In stereo the right =
side=3D3D20
>> >> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
>> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2>have=3D3D20
>> >> any=3D3D3D20<BR>>effect. Double check to see that their timing =
is =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>correct=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
>> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
>> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>Some people have problems with=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>that.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
>> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =
>>size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D20 <BR>=3D3D
>> >>>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D3D20
>> >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>#000000 2px=3D3D20
>> >> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"erlilo" =3D3D
>> >><<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
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>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D20'>=
mailto=3D
>>:erlil=3D3D
>> >>o@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D20</A><BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> wrote in message <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
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>>>>href=3D3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
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>>e'>n=3D3D
>> >>ews:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=3D3D
>> >>ere</A><BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>you=3D3D20
>> >> have=3D3D3D20<BR>> the problem. I think rendering the tracks =
and =3D3D
>> >>look after=3D3D20
>> >> that <BR>each<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>><BR>> stereopair is =3D3D
>> >>starting and=3D3D20
>> >> ending at the same places will do the job=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>><BR>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> saving under a new name, =
=3D3D
>> >>just to be=3D3D20
>> >> sure to go back if something are =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>><BR>going=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some =
=3D
>>of=3D3D20
>> >> the=3D3D3D20<BR>> <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D3D
>> >>old, hard=3D3D20
>> >> way, as in version 2,<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
>> >><BR>mixing down=3D3D20
>> >> each stereopair with panning hard left and right and=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D3D20<BR>> all <BR>other tracks. Then =
=3D3D
>> >>you can=3D3D20
>> >> import them into the project again<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>on =3D3D
>> >>their=3D3D3D20<BR>> old=3D3D20
>> >> <BR>places and give them new=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>=3D3D
>> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> <<A href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:=
musu=3D
>>rgio=3D3D
>> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>skrev i=3D3D3D20<BR>> melding <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D3D
>> >>
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
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>>>>href=3D3D3D'news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>><=
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>>=3D3D
>> >>g'>news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D3D
>> >>><BR>&g</A>=3D3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have =3D3D
>> >>managed=3D3D20
>> >> is to =3D3D3D<BR>>have=3D3D3D20<BR>> the same start and end =
for =3D3D
>> >>both audio=3D3D20
>> >> files<BR>> just by cutting at =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>cursor=3D3D3D20<BR>> pointy=3D3D20
>> >> on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks each =
of=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>themhas=3D3D3D20<BR>> different cut points and =
=3D3D
>> >><BR>>=3D3D20
>> >> joint<BR>> points , does this=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>matter?<BR>>=3D3D20
>> >> If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>actually=3D3D3D20<BR>> stereo but<BR>> two =3D3D
>> >>takes of=3D3D20
>> >> acoustic guitar playing so I had =
=3D3D3D<BR>>tomove=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>different=3D3D20
>> >> parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>make them=3D3D3D20<BR>> on time.<BR>> I want =3D3D
>> >>a stereo=3D3D20
>> >> effect because I wanna expand the =
=3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>perspective=3D3D20
>> >> of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and=3D3D20
>> >> hard=3D3D3D20<BR>> right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks =3D3D
>> >>compressor's=3D3D20
>> >> stereo widening =3D3D3D<BR>>knob ??=3D3D3D20<BR>> !!<BR>> =
=3D3D
>> >>Amazing=3D3D20
>> >> stereo result with complete mono compatibility , =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>not=3D3D20
>> >> like=3D3D3D20<BR>> waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at=3D3D20
>> >> all...<BR>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=3D3D20
>> >> <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D=
20'>ma=3D
>>ilto:e=3D3D
>> =
>>nnio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D20</A><BR>>&n=3D3D
>> >>bsp;=3D3D20
>> >> wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides =3D3D
>> >>of the=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> file must be<BR>>=3D3D20
>> >> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>sample=3D3D3D20<BR>> (the furthest down you can =
go=3D3D20
>> >> on<BR>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" =3D3D
>> >><<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erli=
lo@o=3D
>>nlin=3D3D
>> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D3D20
>> >> wrote in =3D3D3D<BR>>message <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D'news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR'>news:=
438f=3D
>>4d36=3D3D
>> >>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>>>=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>Is it=3D3D3D20<BR>> exactly the same length on =
each =3D3D
>> >>stereo files=3D3D20
>> >> or no different=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the=3D3D20
>> >> stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> >>objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios"=3D3D20
>> >> <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:=
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>>rgio=3D3D
>> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D20
>> >> skrev i =3D3D3D<BR>>melding=3D3D3D20<BR>> <BR>>>>=3D3D20
>> >> <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> =3D
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>>>>href=3D3D3D'news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>=
&g'>=3D
>>=3D3D
>> >>news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=3D3D
>> >>;>&g</A>=3D3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have =3D3D
>> >>almost=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>finished my=3D3D3D20<BR>> project mixing and when =
I =3D3D
>> >>try to put a=3D3D20
>> >> <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>stereo<BR>>>> >=3D3D20
>> >> native<BR>>>> > effect on any=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>audio=3D3D3D20<BR>> track on any submix when I try =
to =3D3D
>> >>save I=3D3D20
>> >> always<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> >=3D3D20
>> >> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>same name=3D3D3D20<BR>> or =3D3D
>> >>other...<BR>>>> > The=3D3D20
>> >> problem is that I want to use =3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D3D
>> >>effects as I=3D3D20
>> >> did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know=3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>why=3D3D3D20<BR>> Paris doesn't let =3D3D
>> >>to...<BR>>>>=3D3D20
>> >> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
>> >>
>> >> =3D3D
>> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>=3D3D
>> >>;>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
>> >> =3D3D
>> >><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>=3D3D
>> >><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>><HTML><HEAD>
>><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
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>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I agree with Erlilo. Try =3D
>>different channels=3D20
>>or a different</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>submix if you can. Otherwise =
=3D
>>rebuilding the=3D20
>>mix from</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>scratch in a new project is the =
next =3D
>>best=3D20
>>bet. Copy all</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>mixer settings and presets of =
effects =3D
>>to make it=3D20
>>easier.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=3D20
>> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</=
A>&g=3D
>>t;=3D20
>> wrote in message <A=3D20
>> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D"news:43908331$1@linux">news:43908331$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>=
Dimi=3D
>>trios,=3D20
>> You probably know this, but just to make sure...<BR>If you want to =
use
> =3D
>>stereo=3D20
>> native plugins, you can NOT have any mono plugins<BR>on those =
tracks.
> =3D
>>That=3D20
>> goes for native and EDS.<BR>Do you have any mono eds or native =
plugs =3D
>>also on=3D20
>> the stereo pair?<BR>Rod<BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
>> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=3D20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Dear Tom,<BR>>It is not the plugin under =3D
>>other song I=3D20
>> can open a stereo native effect.<BR>>In my project I cannot open =
=3D
>>ANY stereo=3D20
>> effect.<BR>>Even chainer only...<BR>>I can save my project no =3D
>>problem if=3D20
>> I don't use a stereo native effect.<BR>>ALSO on submix 3 I managed =
=3D
>>toopen a=3D20
>> stereo native effect but not on submix<BR>>1 or 4 , any =
suggestion=3D20
>> ?<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
>> =
href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20
>> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Dimitrios,<BR>>>Are =3D
>>you saying=3D20
>> you can save before this stereo plugin<BR>>>is inserted? =3D
>>I'd say=3D20
>> you may have a rouge plugin that<BR>>>your wrapper or Paris just =
=3D
>>doesn't=3D20
>> like. Try the same thing<BR>>>in a different =3D
>>project. ie:=3D20
>> Same stereo plugin inserted<BR>>>on another stereo pair of =3D
>>tracks. =3D20
>> Now can you save?<BR>>>If so it may be your project. If =3D
>>not it's=3D20
>> probably your plugin.<BR>>><BR>>>Good=3D20
>> luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
>> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote =
in =3D
>>message=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>news:43906b78$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>> =3D
>>Thanks for=3D20
>> your suggestions.<BR>>> I have rendered using the hardware =3D
>>method=3D20
>> via adat and achieved one =3D3D<BR>>>nice<BR>>> =3D
>>compact stereo=3D20
>> track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved all=3D20
>> audio<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>files<BR>>> on new folder and =3D
>>saved=3D20
>> under new name I used the clear missing =3D20
>> files<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>just<BR>>> before that but =3D
>>again no luck=3D20
>> when I put a stereo native effect on =3D3D<BR>>>this=3D20
>> stereotrack<BR>>> even without hitting play when I =3D
>>try to=3D20
>> save assertion fails and =3D3D<BR>>>doesn't<BR>>> =3D
>>allow of any=3D20
>> save !<BR>>> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when =3D
>>I hit=3D20
>> SAve ...<BR>>> rEGARDS,<BR>>> =3D20
>> dIMITRIOS<BR>>><BR>>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
>> =
href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20
>> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D
>>
>> >Dimitrios,<BR>>> >Rendering is your answer. =3D
>>Don't=3D20
>> render tracks with plugins. In =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >the right side=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
>>>won't have=3D20
>> any effect. Double check to see that their timing is=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>correct<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >too.<BR>>> >Some people have problems with=3D20
>> that.<BR>>> >Tom<BR>>> > "erlilo" =3D
>><<A=3D20
>> href=3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
=3D
>>message=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>news:43900b57$1@linux...<BR>>> > =3D
>>There you=3D20
>> have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and=3D20
>> look<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >after=3D20
>> that=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > each stereopair is starting =3D
>>and ending=3D20
>> at the same places will do<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>the<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >job=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
>>when saving=3D20
>> under a new name, just to be sure to go back if=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>something<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >are=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > going wrong again. If the =3D
>>time=3D20
>> alignments are going wrong in some<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>of =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >the=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > stereofiles, you can =3D
>>rendering the=3D20
>> old, hard way, as in version =3D
>>2,<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >when=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > mixing down each =3D
>>stereopair with=3D20
>> panning hard left and right and =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
>>>muting=3D20
>> all=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > other tracks. Then you can =3D
>>import them=3D20
>> into the project again on =3D3D<BR>>>their<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >old=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
>>places and=3D20
>> give them new names.<BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D
>>> =3D20
>> Erling<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D
>>
>> > "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
>> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev =
i =3D
>>melding=3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>>> =3D
>>
>> > ><BR>>> > > =3D
>>Hi,<BR>>> =3D20
>> > > Thanks for your replies.<BR>>> > =3D
>>>=3D20
>> What I have managed is to have the same start and end for =
both=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>audio<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >files<BR>>> > > just by cutting at cursor =3D
>>pointy=3D20
>> on both tracks.<BR>>> > > Buit insight the =3D
>>stereo=3D20
>> tracks each of themhas different cut =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>points<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >and=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
>>>=3D20
>> joint<BR>>> > > points , does this=3D20
>> matter?<BR>>> > > If you ask me why it is =3D
>>because=3D20
>> these tracks are not actually =3D3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >but<BR>>> > > two =3D
>>takes of=3D20
>> acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove different=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>parts<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >on=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > each<BR>>> =3D
>>
>> > > of the "stereo" tracks to make them on =3D
>>time.<BR>>> =3D20
>> > > I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the =3D
>>stereo=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>perspective<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >of=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > them<BR>>> =3D
>>
>> > > pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>>> =3D20
>> > > Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening =3D
>>knob ??=3D20
>> !!<BR>>> > > Amazing stereo result with =3D
>>complete mono=3D20
>> compatibility , not like<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
>>
>> >waves=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > =3D
>>imager<BR>>> =3D20
>> > > at all...<BR>>> > >=3D20
>> Cheers,<BR>>> > > DImitrios<BR>>> =3D20
>> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> =3D
>>> =3D20
>> > "Ennio" <<A=3D20
>> href=3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D20
>> wrote:<BR>>> > >>The in-points (and =3D
>>out-points) on=3D20
>> both sides of the stereo file<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>must<BR>>> =3D
>>
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >be<BR>>> > >=3D20
>> at<BR>>> > >>the identical spot - down to =3D
>>the=3D20
>> sample (the furthest down you =3D3D<BR>>>can =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >go=3D20
>> on<BR>>> > > the<BR>>> > =3D20
>> >>zoom tool)<BR>>> > =3D
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>> href=3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in =
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>>message=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>news:438f4d36@linux...<BR>>> > =3D
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>> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
>> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev =
i=3D20
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>> failed and cannot save either on same name or =3D
>>other...<BR>>> =3D20
>> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo =3D
>>effects=3D20
>> as I did =3D3D<BR>>>before<BR>>> =3D
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>> Regards,<BR>>> > >>> >=3D20
>> Dimitrios<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> =3D20
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>> ></HEAD><BR>>> ><BODY=3D20
>> bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>>> ><DIV><FONT=3D20
>> face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D20
>> size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D20
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is =3D
>>your answer.=3D20
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>> tracks=3D3D3D20<BR>>> >with plugins. In stereo the right =3D
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>> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT=3D20
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>> ><BR>>> > stereopair is starting and ending at =3D
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>> same places will do the =3D3D<BR>>>job =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
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>> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >skrev =3D
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>>stereo tracks=3D20
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>>and=3D20
>> <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =3D
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>>tracks=3D20
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>> >actually=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > stereo =3D
>>but<BR>> two=3D20
>> takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
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>><BR>>=3D20
>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
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>> them=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > on time.<BR>> I want =3D
>>a stereo=3D20
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>> >stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > perspective of =3D
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>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =3D
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>> widening =3D3D3D<BR>>> >knob ??=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
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>> !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =3D
>>compatibility ,=3D20
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>> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at =3D
>>all...<BR>>=3D20
>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
>> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=3D20
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>> sides of the =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
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>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@o=
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>>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D20
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>> <A=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
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>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >Is it=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
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>>when I=3D20
>> try to put a <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
>>> =3D20
>> stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > =3D
>>effect on=3D20
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>> any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> >get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > =3D
>>
>> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on=3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >same name=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
>>> or=3D20
>> other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use=3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
>>effects as=3D20
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>>know=3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >why=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
>>Paris doesn't=3D20
>> let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>>=3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >>=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D
>>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>&g=3D
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>> =3D
>>Transitional//EN"><BR>>><HTML><HEAD><BR>>><=3D
>>META=3D20
>> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>>><META =3D
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>>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>>>=3D
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>> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
>> =3D
>>size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV>&=3D
>>lt;FONT=3D20
>> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Are you saying you can save =
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>> =3D
>>this<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>>>plugin</FONT ><=3D
>>/DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=3D20
>> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>is inserted? I'd say you may have =
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>> rouge=3D3D20<BR>>>plugin=3D20
>> that</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
>> size=3D3D3D2>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't =
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>> Try=3D3D20<BR>>>the same=3D20
>> thing</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
>> size=3D3D3D2>in a different project. ie: Same=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>>>plugin=3D20
>> inserted</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
>> size=3D3D3D2>on another stereo pair of tracks. =3D3D<BR>>>Now can =
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>>
>> =3D
>>you=3D3D20<BR>>>save?</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV>=3D
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>> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>If so it may be your project. If =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>not=3D20
>> it's=3D3D20<BR>>>probably your=3D20
>> plugin.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
>> size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D
>></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=3D20
>> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Good=3D20
>> luck,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
>> =3D
>>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20=3D
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>> 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>>> =3D
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>> <<A=3D3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
>> =3D
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>>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
>> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>>message=3D3D20<BR>>> <A=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
>> =3D
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>>;<BR>Than</A>=3D3D<BR>>>ks=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
>> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware =3D
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>> via<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>adat=3D3D20<BR>>> and achieved one =3D
>>
>> nice<BR>compact stereo track with my acoustic =3D
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>> even=3D3D20<BR>>> saved all audio files<BR>on new =3D
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>> saved under new name I =3D
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>> doesn't<BR>allow of any save=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>!<BR>Note=3D3D20<BR>>> that assertion =3D
>>failure=3D20
>> appears ONLY when I hit SAve=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
>> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom =3D
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>>t;> =3D20
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>>wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>R=3D
>>endering=3D20
>> is your=3D3D20<BR>>> answer. Don't render tracks with =3D
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>>
>> side=3D3D3D20<BR>>won't have any =3D3D<BR>>>effect.=3D20
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>> =3D
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>> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> =3D
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>>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D20
>> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>>message <A=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
>> =3D
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>> =3D3D<BR>>> There=3D3D20<BR>>> you have the problem. I =3D
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>> rendering the tracks and look=3D20
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>>>&g</A>=3D3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
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>> Hi,<BR>>>> > I have =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>almost=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>finished my=3D3D3D20<BR>> project mixing and =3D
>>when I=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>>try to put a=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
>><BR>>>>=3D20
>> >=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>>>=3D20
>> >=3D3D20<BR>>> native<BR>>>> > effect =3D
>>on=3D20
>> any=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>audio=3D3D3D20<BR>> track on=3D20
>> any submix when I try to =3D3D<BR>>>save I=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
>> always<BR>>=3D20
>> =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR&=3D
>>gt;>=3D20
>> >=3D3D20<BR>>> assertion<BR>>>> > =3D
>>failed and=3D20
>> cannot save either on=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>same=3D20
>> name=3D3D3D20<BR>> or =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>other...<BR>>>> >=3D20
>> The=3D3D20<BR>>> problem is that I want to use=3D20
>> =3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>>effects =3D
>>as=3D20
>> I=3D3D20<BR>>> did before=3D20
>> but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> >=3D20
>> know=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>why=3D3D3D20<BR>> Paris=3D20
>> doesn't let =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>to...<BR>>>>=3D3D20<BR>>> >=3D20
>> Regards,<BR>>>> =3D
>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
>> =3D3D<BR>>><BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D
>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR&g=3D
>>t;>>><BR>=3D3D<BR>>>;>><BR>>><BR&=3D
>>gt;>=3D3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
>> =3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
>> =3D
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry I had a gig last night. Do =
as Erling=20
suggested regarding rendering</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>all tracks and copying to a new =
folder. Start=20
a new Paris project and call</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>it something different. Go to =
audio window=20
and import all newly rendered</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>files you need. Set a new record =
path=20
too. Make sure </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>saves work after =
each=20
step. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In original project </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>make sure all effects </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>being =
used have been=20
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59774 is a reply to message #59773] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 01:11 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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p;nbsp; In old project</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>copy all mixer settings in Mixer A (You =
discovered=20
this last week!), open new project and paste </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>all mixer settings </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>in its Mixer A. Try to save right after this and =
every=20
step. Close Mixer A in new project</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>then reopen it. This should make =
all the=20
plugins 'appear'. Just a quirky Paris thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now get those presets working in each =
plugin. =20
Try a save. If all is well do these same steps</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>across all Submixes until all =
Mixers/plugins are=20
the same as original project. Try a save.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now might be a good time to try your =
stereo plugin=20
that causes your problem in the old</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>project. If after it's installed =
in the new=20
one, you can save then you're almost out of the woods.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you were using automation you will =
need to copy=20
that too. Go to Automation Editor A in old=20
project.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Select Volume, Set Now Line to =
beginning of=20
project. Use 'Select All' command or drag</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>across all 16 tracks with mouse to =
highlight=20
everything. Control C (copy). Go to new =
project,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>put Now Line at beginning of project in =
Automation=20
Editor and make sure active track is the first one that was =
active</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>on the old project when copying. =
Otherwise your=20
data may paste a track or two off. The effects</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>return automation has to be done =
separately from=20
tracks. After this, go to original project and select =
Mute.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Copy paste etc.. =
Repeat these=20
steps on all auto editors that were being used.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It sounds harder than it really =
is. Remember=20
to try saving between each step in new project.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If at any time it doesn't want to save, =
you have=20
found out why there is a problem. Possibly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>an unknown bug. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck. You'll be a better man =
for=20
it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"erlilo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43918529@linux">news:43918529@linux</A>...</DIV>Dimitros<BR>=
<BR>My=20
way of doing this is:<BR>Have Paris closed,<BR>make a new folder on =
the audio=20
harddisk with Explorer or something <BR>similar(I'm using=20
TotalCommander).<BR>Copy ONLY waves or/and PAF files from the old =
project into=20
the new folder.<BR>Start a new project in Paris.<BR>Import from the =
new folder=20
all the Waves and PAF files you need into the new <BR>project and set =
the path=20
to the new project.<BR>In Ediit menu, set the files into the subgroups =
and=20
channels you wish.<BR>Now you have a new project without any old, =
saved=20
information at all to <BR>start from scratch.<BR>It's important that =
all files=20
are rendered to start from zero in the old <BR>project.<BR><BR>If this =
doesn't=20
help and the earlier rendered stereofiles have absolutelly <BR>correct =
lenghts, I can't think of other things than plugin =
problems.<BR><BR>Hope this=20
can help to explain my way of doing something with this kind of=20
<BR>problems.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev i =
melding <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43917c01$1@linux">news:43917c01$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
t;<BR>>=20
Sory if I ask much but the way I do the project rebuild does not =
help.<BR>>=20
How do you do a rebuild ?<BR>> I just go to audio folder export =
audio=20
objects or wave files under a new<BR>> folder then save the new =
song and=20
then reopen from new folder.<BR>> I guess you might refer to =
something=20
different here right ?<BR>> Can you explain your way ?<BR>>=20
Thanks<BR>> Regards,<BR>> Dimitrios<BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Dimitrios, <BR>>>I =
agree with=20
Erlilo. Try different channels or a different<BR>>>submix =
if you=20
can. Otherwise rebuilding the mix from<BR>>>scratch in a =
new=20
project is the next best bet. Copy all<BR>>>mixer settings =
and=20
presets of effects to make it=20
=
easier.<BR>>>Tom<BR>>><BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>&nb=
sp;=20
"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message=20
=3D<BR>>>news:43908331$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>> =
Dimitrios,=20
You probably know this, but just to make sure...<BR>>> If =
you want=20
to use stereo native plugins, you can NOT have any mono=20
=3D<BR>>>plugins<BR>>> on those tracks. That goes =
for native=20
and EDS.<BR>>> Do you have any mono eds or native plugs =
also on=20
the stereo pair?<BR>>> Rod<BR>>> "Dimitrios" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> >Dear=20
Tom,<BR>>> >It is not the plugin under other song I can =
open a=20
stereo native =3D<BR>>>effect.<BR>>> >In my =
project I=20
cannot open ANY stereo effect.<BR>>> >Even chainer=20
only...<BR>>> >I can save my project no problem if I =
don't use=20
a stereo native =3D<BR>>>effect.<BR>>> >ALSO on =
submix 3 I=20
managed toopen a stereo native effect but not on=20
=3D<BR>>>submix<BR>>> >1 or 4 , any suggestion=20
?<BR>>> >Regards,<BR>>> =20
>Dimitrios<BR>>> ><BR>>> >"Tom Bruhl" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>> >><BR>>> =
>><BR>>> =20
>>Dimitrios,<BR>>> >>Are you saying you can =
save=20
before this stereo plugin<BR>>> >>is inserted? =
I'd say=20
you may have a rouge plu
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59782 is a reply to message #59773] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 09:36 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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gt;>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>>>=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>Is it=3D3D3D20<BR>> exactly the same length on =
>each =3D3D
> >> >>stereo files=3D3D20
> >> >> or no different=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the=3D3D20
> >> >> stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> >>objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios"=3D3D20
> >> >> <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:=
>musu=3D
> >>rgio=3D3D
> >> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> >> >> skrev i =3D3D3D<BR>>melding=3D3D3D20<BR>> <BR>>>>=3D3D20
> >> >> <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>=
>&g'>=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=3D3D
> >> >>;>&g</A>=3D3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have =3D3D
> >> >>almost=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>finished my=3D3D3D20<BR>> project mixing and when
=
>I =3D3D
> >> >>try to put a=3D3D20
> >> >> <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>stereo<BR>>>> >=3D3D20
> >> >> native<BR>>>> > effect on any=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>audio=3D3D3D20<BR>> track on any submix when I try
=
>to =3D3D
> >> >>save I=3D3D20
> >> >> always<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> >=3D3D20
> >> >> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>same name=3D3D3D20<BR>> or =3D3D
> >> >>other...<BR>>>> > The=3D3D20
> >> >> problem is that I want to use =3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>
=
>=3D3D
> >> >>effects as I=3D3D20
> >> >> did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>why=3D3D3D20<BR>> Paris doesn't let =3D3D
> >> >>to...<BR>>>>=3D3D20
> >> >> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>=3D3D
> >> >>;>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> >><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>=3D3D
> >> >><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
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> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I agree with Erlilo. Try =3D
> >>different channels=3D20
> >>or a different</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>submix if you can. Otherwise =
>=3D
> >>rebuilding the=3D20
> >>mix from</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>scratch in a new project is the
=
>next =3D
> >>best=3D20
> >>bet. Copy all</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>mixer settings and presets of =
>effects =3D
> >>to make it=3D20
> >>easier.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
> >>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
=
>=3D
> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</=
>A>&g=3D
> >>t;=3D20
> >> wrote in message <A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D"news:43908331$1@linux">news:43908331$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>=
>Dimi=3D
> >>trios,=3D20
> >> You probably know this, but just to make sure...<BR>If you want to
=
>use
> > =3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >> native plugins, you can NOT have any mono plugins<BR>on those =
>tracks.
> > =3D
> >>That=3D20
> >> goes for native and EDS.<BR>Do you have any mono eds or native =
>plugs =3D
> >>also on=3D20
> >> the stereo pair?<BR>Rod<BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Dear Tom,<BR>>It is not the plugin under =3D
> >>other song I=3D20
> >> can open a stereo native effect.<BR>>In my project I cannot open =
>=3D
> >>ANY stereo=3D20
> >> effect.<BR>>Even chainer only...<BR>>I can save my project no =3D
> >>problem if=3D20
> >> I don't use a stereo native effect.<BR>>ALSO on submix 3 I managed
=
>=3D
> >>toopen a=3D20
> >> stereo native effect but not on submix<BR>>1 or 4 , any =
>suggestion=3D20
> >> ?<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> >> =
>href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Dimitrios,<BR>>>Are =3D
> >>you saying=3D20
> >> you can save before this stereo plugin<BR>>>is inserted? =3D
> >>I'd say=3D20
> >> you may have a rouge plugin that<BR>>>your wrapper or Paris just =
>=3D
> >>doesn't=3D20
> >> like. Try the same thing<BR>>>in a different =3D
> >>project. ie:=3D20
> >> Same stereo plugin inserted<BR>>>on another stereo pair of =3D
> >>tracks. =3D20
> >> Now can you save?<BR>>>If so it may be your project. If =3D
> >>not it's=3D20
> >> probably your plugin.<BR>>><BR>>>Good=3D20
> >> luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote
=
>in =3D
> >>message=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>news:43906b78$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>> =3D
> >>Thanks for=3D20
> >> your suggestions.<BR>>> I have rendered using the hardware =3D
> >>method=3D20
> >> via adat and achieved one =3D3D<BR>>>nice<BR>>> =3D
> >>compact stereo=3D20
> >> track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved all=3D20
> >> audio<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>files<BR>>> on new folder and =3D
> >>saved=3D20
> >> under new name I used the clear missing =3D20
> >> files<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>just<BR>>> before that but =3D
> >>again no luck=3D20
> >> when I put a stereo native effect on =3D3D<BR>>>this=3D20
> >> stereotrack<BR>>> even without hitting play when I =3D
> >>try to=3D20
> >> save assertion fails and =3D3D<BR>>>doesn't<BR>>> =3D
> >>allow of any=3D20
> >> save !<BR>>> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when =3D
> >>I hit=3D20
> >> SAve ...<BR>>> rEGARDS,<BR>>> =3D20
> >> dIMITRIOS<BR>>><BR>>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20
> >> =
>href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D
> >>
> >> >Dimitrios,<BR>>> >Rendering is your answer. =3D
> >>Don't=3D20
> >> render tracks with plugins. In =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >the right side=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>>won't have=3D20
> >> any effect. Double check to see that their timing is=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>correct<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >too.<BR>>> >Some people have problems with=3D20
> >> that.<BR>>> >Tom<BR>>> > "erlilo" =3D
> >><<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in
=
>=3D
> >>message=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>news:43900b57$1@linux...<BR>>> > =3D
> >>There you=3D20
> >> have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and=3D20
> >> look<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >after=3D20
> >> that=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > each stereopair is starting =3D
> >>and ending=3D20
> >> at the same places will do<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>the<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >job=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
> >>when saving=3D20
> >> under a new name, just to be sure to go back if=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>something<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >are=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > going wrong again. If the =3D
> >>time=3D20
> >> alignments are going wrong in some<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>of =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >the=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > stereofiles, you can =3D
> >>rendering the=3D20
> >> old, hard way, as in version =3D
> >>2,<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >when=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > mixing down each =3D
> >>stereopair with=3D20
> >> panning hard left and right and =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>muting=3D20
> >> all=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > other tracks. Then you can =3D
> >>import them=3D20
> >> into the project again on =3D3D<BR>>>their<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >old=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
> >>places and=3D20
> >> give them new names.<BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> Erling<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D
> >>
> >> > "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev
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>i =3D
> >>melding=3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>>> =3D
> >>
> >> > ><BR>>> > > =3D
> >>Hi,<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > > Thanks for your replies.<BR>>> > =3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> What I have managed is to have the same start and end for =
>both=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>audio<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >files<BR>>> > > just by cutting at cursor =3D
> >>pointy=3D20
> >> on both tracks.<BR>>> > > Buit insight the =3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >> tracks each of themhas different cut =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>points<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >and=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> joint<BR>>> > > points , does this=3D20
> >> matter?<BR>>> > > If you ask me why it is =3D
> >>because=3D20
> >> these tracks are not actually =3D3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >but<BR>>> > > two =3D
> >>takes of=3D20
> >> acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove different=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>parts<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >on=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > each<BR>>> =3D
> >>
> >> > > of the "stereo" tracks to make them on =3D
> >>time.<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > > I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the =3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>perspective<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >of=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > them<BR>>> =3D
> >>
> >> > > pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > > Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening =3D
> >>knob ??=3D20
> >> !!<BR>>> > > Amazing stereo result with =3D
> >>complete mono=3D20
> >> compatibility , not like<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>
> >> >waves=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > =3D
> >>imager<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > > at all...<BR>>> > >=3D20
> >> Cheers,<BR>>> > > DImitrios<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> > "Ennio" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>> > >>The in-points (and =3D
> >>out-points) on=3D20
> >> both sides of the stereo file<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>must<BR>>> =3D
> >>
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >be<BR>>> > >=3D20
> >> at<BR>>> > >>the identical spot - down to =3D
> >>the=3D20
> >> sample (the furthest down you =3D3D<BR>>>can =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >go=3D20
> >> on<BR>>> > > the<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> >>zoom tool)<BR>>> > =3D
> >>>><BR>>> =3D20
> >> > >>"erlilo" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> wrote in
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>=3D
> >>message=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>news:438f4d36@linux...<BR>>> > =3D
> >>>>>=3D20
> >> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or no=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>different<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >holes<BR>>> > >>in<BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> >>><BR>>> > >>>=3D20
> >> Erling<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> >> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> skrev
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>i=3D20
> >> melding=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > >>> <A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
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>
> >>bsp;=3D20
> >> > >>> ><BR>>> > >>> =3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> Hi,<BR>>> > >>> > I have almost =3D
> >>finished my=3D20
> >> project mixing and when I try to =3D3D<BR>>>put =3D
> >>a<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> ><BR>>> > >>> =3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> stereo<BR>>> > >>> > =3D
> >>native<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > >>> > effect on any audio track on any submix =3D
> >>when I=3D20
> >> try to save I<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >always<BR>>> > > get<BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> >>> > assertion<BR>>> > >>> =3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> failed and cannot save either on same name or =3D
> >>other...<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo =3D
> >>effects=3D20
> >> as I did =3D3D<BR>>>before<BR>>> =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >but<BR>>> > >>don't<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > >>> > know why Paris doesn't let=3D20
> >> to...<BR>>> > >>> >=3D20
> >> Regards,<BR>>> > >>> >=3D20
> >> Dimitrios<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> =3D20
> >> > >>><BR>>> > =3D20
> >> >><BR>>> > >><BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> >=3D3D3D20<BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D
> >>><BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><BR>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML =3D
> >>4.0=3D20
> >> Transitional//EN"><BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><HTML><HEAD><BR>>> ><META=3D20
> >> http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D3D"text/html; =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>>> ><META=3D20
> >> content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =3D
> >>name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><STYLE></STYLE><BR>>> =3D20
> >> ></HEAD><BR>>> ><BODY=3D20
> >> bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>>> ><DIV><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is =3D
> >>your answer.=3D20
> >> Don't<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >render=3D20
> >> tracks=3D3D3D20<BR>>> >with plugins. In stereo the right =3D
> >>side=3D20
> >> </FONT></DIV><BR>>> ><DIV><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>face=3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>size=3D3D3D3D2>have=3D20
> >> any=3D3D3D20<BR>>> >effect. Double check to see that =3D
> >>their timing=3D20
> >> is correct =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >too.</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D
> >>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Some people have problems=3D20
> >> with<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >that.</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D
> >>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial =3D
> >>size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=3D20
> >> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =3D
> >>5px;<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: =3D
> >>0px"><BR>>> =3D20
> >> > <DIV>"erlilo" <<A =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20
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> >> =3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20
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> >>> the=3D20
> >> problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after that=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>><BR>each<BR>>> =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><BR>>> > stereopair is starting and ending at =3D
> >>the=3D20
> >> same places will do the =3D3D<BR>>>job =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><BR>when=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > saving under a =3D
> >>new name,=3D20
> >> just to be sure to go back if something =3D3D<BR>>>are =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> ><BR>going=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > wrong again. =3D
> >>If the time=3D20
> >> alignments are going wrong in some of =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>the=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, =3D
> >>as in=3D20
> >> version<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>2,<BR>>> =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >when=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > <BR>mixing down =3D
> >>each=3D20
> >> stereopair with panning hard left and right =3D3D<BR>>>and=3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >muting=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
> >>all=3D20
> >> <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the project=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>again<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >on=3D20
> >> their=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > old <BR>places and =3D
> >>give them new=3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitr=3D
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> =
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>rgio=3D
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> >> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >skrev =3D
> >>i=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > melding <A=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
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> >> >t;=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks =3D
> >>for your=3D20
> >> replies.<BR>> What I have managed is to=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>have=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by =3D
> >>cutting=3D20
> >> at<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>cursor=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the =3D
> >>stereo tracks=3D20
> >> each of<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >themhas=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > different cut points =3D
> >>and=3D20
> >> <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =3D
> >>this=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these =3D
> >>tracks=3D20
> >> are not<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >actually=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > stereo =3D
> >>but<BR>> two=3D20
> >> takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >tomove=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > different parts on =3D
> >><BR>>=3D20
> >> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>make=3D20
> >> them=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > on time.<BR>> I want =3D
> >>a stereo=3D20
> >> effect because I wanna expand the =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > perspective of =3D
> >><BR>>=3D20
> >> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =3D
> >>hard=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's =3D
> >>stereo=3D20
> >> widening =3D3D3D<BR>>> >knob ??=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =3D
> >>compatibility ,=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >not =3D
> >>like=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at =3D
> >>all...<BR>>=3D20
> >> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
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> >>:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D20</A><BR>&g=3D
> >>t;> =3D20
> >> > wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on =3D
> >>both=3D20
> >> sides of the =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> > file must be<BR>> at<BR>>>the =3D
> >>identical spot -=3D20
> >> down to the =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>sample=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> (the furthest down you can go on<BR>>=3D20
> >> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
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>nlin=3D
> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> wrote in<BR>=3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>> >message=3D20
> >> <A=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D
> >>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D20
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> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >Is it=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
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> >> same length on each stereo files or no =3D
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> >> stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> =3D
> >>objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>>>&n=3D
> >>bsp;=3D20
> >> > Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> =3D
> >>"Dimitrios"=3D20
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> >> skrev<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>i =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >melding=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > <BR>>>> =3D
> >>
> >> <A=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
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> >> >t;=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > ><BR>>>> =3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> Hi,<BR>>>> > I have almost =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >finished my=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > project mixing and =3D
> >>when I=3D20
> >> try to put a <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>> =3D20
> >> stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > =3D
> >>effect on=3D20
> >> any =3D3D3D<BR>>> >audio=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>> track on=3D20
> >> any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> >get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > =3D
> >>
> >> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on=3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >same name=3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>> or=3D20
> >> other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use=3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
> >>effects as=3D20
> >> I did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > =3D
> >>know=3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >why=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D
> >>Paris doesn't=3D20
> >> let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> >>=3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>&g=3D
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> >> =3D
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> >>> =3D20
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> >>META=3D20
> >> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20
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> >> =3D
> >>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>>>=3D
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> >> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV>&=3D
> >>lt;FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Are you saying you can save =
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> >> =3D
> >>this<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>>>plugin</FONT ><=3D
> >>/DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=3D20
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> >> rouge=3D3D20<BR>>>plugin=3D20
> >> that</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't =
>=3D3D<BR>>>like.=3D20
> >> Try=3D3D20<BR>>>the same=3D20
> >> thing</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2>in a different project. ie: Same=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>>>plugin=3D20
> >> inserted</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2>on another stereo pair of tracks. =3D3D<BR>>>Now can
=
>=3D
> >>
> >> =3D
> >>you=3D3D20<BR>>>save?</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV>=3D
> >><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>If so it may be your project. If =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>not=3D20
> >> it's=3D3D20<BR>>>probably your=3D20
> >> plugin.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D
> >></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> >> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Good=3D20
> >> luck,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D
> >>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20=3D
> >><BR>>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D20
> >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D<BR>>>BORDER-LEFT:
=
>=3D
> >>#000000=3D20
> >> 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>>> =3D
> >><DIV>"Dimitrios"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musu=
>rgio=3D
> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>>message=3D3D20<BR>>> <A=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>=
>Than=3D
> >>'>news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=3D
> >>;<BR>Than</A>=3D3D<BR>>>ks=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware =3D
> >>method=3D20
> >> via<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>adat=3D3D20<BR>>> and achieved one =3D
> >>
> >> nice<BR>compact stereo track with my acoustic =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>guitars, I=3D20
> >> even=3D3D20<BR>>> saved all audio files<BR>on new =3D
> >>folder and=3D20
> >> saved under new name I =3D
> >>used<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>the=3D3D20<BR>>> clear=3D20
> >> missing files just<BR>before that but again no luck when I=3D20
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> >>this=3D20
> >> stereotrack<BR>even without hitting =3D3D<BR>>>play=3D20
> >> =3D3D20<BR>>> when I try to save assertion fails and=3D20
> >> doesn't<BR>allow of any save=3D20
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> >>failure=3D20
> >> appears ONLY when I hit SAve=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom =3D
> >>Bruhl"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
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">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20'>=
>mailto=3D
> >>:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>&g=3D
> >>t;> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >>wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>R=3D
> >>endering=3D20
> >> is your=3D3D20<BR>>> answer. Don't render tracks with =3D
> >>plugins.=3D20
> >> In=3D3D20<BR>>> stereo<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>the right =3D
> >>
> >> side=3D3D3D20<BR>>won't have any =3D3D<BR>>>effect.=3D20
> >> =3D3D20<BR>>> Double check to see that their timing is=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>correct<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>too.<BR>>Some=3D
> >>=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> =3D
> >>"erlilo"=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>><<A=3D3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@o=
>nlin=3D
> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>>message <A=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR'>news:=
>4390=3D
> >>0b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>> There=3D3D20<BR>>> you have the problem. I =3D
> >>think=3D20
> >> rendering the tracks and look=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>after=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> that=3D3D3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending at =3D
> >>the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>same=3D3D20<BR>>> places will do=3D20
> >> the<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>job=3D3D3D20<BR>> when saving=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>under a new=3D3D20<BR>>> name, just to be =3D
> >>sure to go back=3D20
> >> if =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>something<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>are=3D3D3D20<BR >=3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D20<BR>>> going wrong again. If the time alignments are =3D
> >>going=3D20
> >> wrong in some of=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>the=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
> >> stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D3D<BR>>>old, =3D
> >>hard=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> way, as in version 2, =3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>mixing down=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>each=3D3D20<BR>>> stereopair with panning =3D
> >>hard left and=3D20
> >> right and =3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>all=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
> >> other tracks. Then you can import them into the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>project=3D3D20<BR>>> again on=3D20Have you tried to lowcut the mic around 100Hz and just use it as is?
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i en meddelelse news:43907b92@linux...
> Unfortunately the bleed is so loud and his voice level so inconsistant
> that using a gate is not usefull.
>
> I have basically decided to automate a 8 db ramp up to and down from the
> vocal sections and then copy and paste through the songs...quick simple
> and a pain in the ass.
>
>
> Don
>
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:4390784b$1@linux...
>>A gate with key filtering would do this. Set the key filters so the gate
>>only opens with vocal content, then set the range to a fairly small
>>amount. This means that the gate does not close completely, but only dips
>>the level down a few db when the person stops singing.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Dumb Q time...
>>>
>>> I've got a little side project from a friend, nothing fancy just a quick
>>> mix of his band's live show but I don't want to spend any more time than
>>> is necessary on this thing.
>>>
>>> My question has to do with reducing the level of the the lead vocal mic
>>> when it's not in use.
>>>
>>> Normally I would just drop the fader 3db or so on that mic when it's not
>>> in use but I started wondering if there is a plug in i.e. an expander or
>>> ducker for example (never having used either of these beasts) that might
>>> do this automatically.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Don
>
>I love that new house feeling...almost like a new romance in someways...
kudos on all you've done for us here in the newsgroup.
jef
Kim wrote:
>I've been in the new place over a month now, and it does take some time before
>moves settle in, but let me put a couple of things in perspective...
>
>For all you non-Melnbournites... which is the vast majority of you, I used
>to live in Glen Waverley. Glen Waverley is, according to my "Melways" directory,
>about 20km from the city centre of Melbourne Australia. Honestly I thought
>it was further than that before I went for the actual number from the book.
>Suffice to say I was a fair way out...
>
>As I look at the book now and see the numbers, I'm currently, in my new place,
>and the new NG home (with the server now in, oddly enough, my kitchen ;o),
>just inside the 5km circle. What's more, I'm north of the city, and the greater
>percentage of the band scene is north of the city here in Melbourne. Not
>all that much happens in the CBD itself. In Melbourne things are centred
>around the inner suburbs, which is where I haven't been, but now am... ;o)
>
>Tonight I caught a bus a fraction west, to one of the many epecentres of
>Melbounre music, Brunswick, and saw a guy from work play his first ever
>original gig at the Brunswick Hotel. It cost me $3.10, maybe $2 U.S. return.
>At my last place a taxi home only would be probably $60aus from this venue.
>I've already caught the local tram twice to various events. The tram heads
>south to the city. Tonight was the first time I caught the west bound bus.
>South and west are pretty much the only directions I need to go ;o). East
>are cover bands ;oP. North are people who don't care about music. ;o) The
>furthest music venues from me now are in St Kilda, which is south of the
>city, and on the bay/beach, but still in the 5km radius. A taxi from there
>would still be far cheaper than it was to my last place, and most of the
>time I would be able to catch a tram or two or something...
>
>It is, as they say, all good. ;o)
>
>The only bad thing I have noted, apart from my studio not having space for
>an actual band anymore, is that the power here seems to be 5 volts higher
>and hence my UPS for the NG server keeps clicking and complaining, and the
>server has actually hung twice (shhhh... don't tell anyone, nobody has noticed...
>;o) but the good news is my brother has found the software for the UPS (yes
>Rick he's done something good! ;o) and I may be able to correct the issues
>without undue expense...
>
>My point is, though, that I've moved from a boring outer suburb into a fantastic
>inner suburb, and it ROCKS!! I haven't even told you about the great Indian
>and Tibetan food I've discovered!!!
>
>Honestly, I'm lovin it.
>
>I was just realising earlier...
>
>Over the last ten to fifteen years, I've changed from some dude who liked
>the typical local beer and commerial music, to someone who has taste in food,
>music, beer, whatever. At no particular point I made a choice, and this new
>home is, largely, the culmination of that journey.
>
>It's great to be able to choose what to play, what not to play, what to watch,
>etc, without having to answer to anyone.
>
>Tomorrow I'm going down to the RRR BBQ. RRR being one of the local community
>subscriber radio stations to which I subscribe (and love). I can catch the
>bus for $3.10 again. At my last place I would have stayed at home and heard
>it over the radio... now will be there in person.
>
>I so much feel like I'm in the middle. In fact, I finally am.
>
>And, sorry Martin ;o), but Melbourne really is the cultural centre of Australia.
>;o) It's so good to be in close to the place where everything's happening.
>
>This has been a long long post... ;o)
>
>But gee, I'm so happy with my decision.
>
>Now I just need to buy a place in here. ;o)
>
>There's still some tweakin to do to get the NG running perfectly in the new
>place. It's getting there though. It's only hung twice. ;o) If we go offline
>you know why. ;o)
>
>I'll buy a new UPS if I need to. It's all worth it.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>I just found this out......important if your doing phase consistant stuff
between eds cards (like copying a track and adding compression to the copy)
soloing adds 1 sample latency.
So...don't use solo for checking this. mute other tracks instead.
Rod"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Kim, what's the software thingy for the UPS.
Somebody here suggested that the clicking of the UPS may be the over voltage
protection clicking in and out, and that it's possible that in the software
for the UPS I may be able to adjust the voltage at which the UPS applies
this voltage protection, hence allowing me to reduce the switching.
I haven't tried it yet of course, but I'm hopeful.
Cheers,
Kim.
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I've been in the new place over a month now, and it does take some time
>before
>>moves settle in, but let me put a couple of things in perspective...
>>
>>For all you non-Melnbournites... which is the vast majority of you, I
used
>>to live in Glen Waverley. Glen Waverley is, according to my "Melways" directory,
>>about 20km from the city centre of Melbourne Australia. Honestly I thought
>>it was further than that before I went for the actual number from the book.
>>Suffice to say I was a fair way out...
>>
>>As I look at the book now and see the numbers, I'm currently, in my new
>place,
>>and the new NG home (with the server now in, oddly enough, my kitchen ;o),
>>just inside the 5km circle. What's more, I'm north of the city, and the
>greater
>>percentage of the band scene is north of the city here in Melbourne. Not
>>all that much happens in the CBD itself. In Melbourne things are centred
>>around the inner suburbs, which is where I haven't been, but now am...
;o)
>>
>>Tonight I caught a bus a fraction west, to one of the many epecentres of
>>Melbounre music, Brunswick, and saw a guy from work play his first ever
>>original gig at the Brunswick Hotel. It cost me $3.10, maybe $2 U.S. return.
>>At my last place a taxi home only would be probably $60aus from this venue.
>>I've already caught the local tram twice to various events. The tram heads
>>south to the city. Tonight was the first time I caught the west bound bus.
>>South and west are pretty much the only directions I need to go ;o). East
>>are cover bands ;oP. North are people who don't care about music. ;o) The
>>furthest music venues from me now are in St Kilda, which is south of the
>>city, and on the bay/beach, but still in the 5km radius. A taxi from there
>>would still be far cheaper than it was to my last place, and most of the
>>time I would be able to catch a tram or two or something...
>>
>>It is, as they say, all good. ;o)
>>
>>The only bad thing I have noted, apart from my studio not having space
for
>>an actual band anymore, is that the power here seems to be 5 volts higher
>>and hence my UPS for the NG server keeps clicking and complaining, and
the
>>server has actually hung twice (shhhh... don't tell anyone, nobody has
>noticed...
>>;o) but the good news is my brother has found the software for the UPS
(yes
>>Rick he's done something good! ;o) and I may be able to correct the issues
>>without undue expense...
>>
>>My point is, though, that I've moved from a boring outer suburb into a
fantastic
>>inner suburb, and it ROCKS!! I haven't even told you about the great Indian
>>and Tibetan food I've discovered!!!
>>
>>Honestly, I'm lovin it.
>>
>>I was just realising earlier...
>>
>>Over the last ten to fifteen years, I've changed from some dude who liked
>>the typical local beer and commerial music, to someone who has taste in
>food,
>>music, beer, whatever. At no particular point I made a choice, and this
>new
>>home is, largely, the culmination of that journey.
>>
>>It's great to be able to choose what to play, what not to play, what to
>watch,
>>etc, without having to answer to anyone.
>>
>>Tomorrow I'm going down to the RRR BBQ. RRR being one of the local community
>>subscriber radio stations to which I subscribe (and love). I can catch
the
>>bus for $3.10 again. At my last place I would have stayed at home and heard
>>it over the radio... now will be there in person.
>>
>>I so much feel like I'm in the middle. In fact, I finally am.
>>
>>And, sorry Martin ;o), but Melbourne really is the cultural centre of Australia.
>>;o) It's so good to be in close to the place where everything's happening.
>>
>>This has been a long long post... ;o)
>>
>>But gee, I'm so happy with my decision.
>>
>>Now I just need to buy a place in here. ;o)
>>
>>There's still some tweakin to do to get the NG running perfectly in the
>new
>>place. It's getting there though. It's only hung twice. ;o) If we go offline
>>you know why. ;o)
>>
>>I'll buy a new UPS if I need to. It's all worth it.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>Has anyone been able to interpret just what this message means? And
basically what causes it? I only had 8 tracks recorded and was working on
aux effects on the piano track which I had copied, delaying the copy,
shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. After working most of
the day on the project, this error appeared but I wasnt able to save the
project and since I hadn't remembered to save the project earlier I lost it
all. Think I will call it a day! :-(My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to crap
out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
with such a passion ...........
anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.EK Sound wrote:
> Actually, Yamaha now owns Steinberg.
>
> David.
>
> Jamey Tiffee wrote:
>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>> You do know that Avid owns Pinnacle that owns Steinberg right? Why
>> design an audio engine when you can buy one?
>> And the PARIS or PT debate is OOOOOLLLLDDDDD
Really, so I guess Pinnacle got what they needed and pawned them, man
they seem to be kind of the step-child of the audio industry oh well
Yamaha should be able to get them some money for R&D.AFAIK, PARIS won't import 24 bit WAV files. If you want to keep the 24 bit
property, you'll need to convert them to PAF. Use the PAF-WAV converter
program.
David
On 2-Dec-2005, "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> Wav files (pcm audio) 24 bit / 44.1Hey E,
THis is one of my fave's cause I can actually help.
If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond to the error
message on the screen, get to the project window and save the project under
a new name (songV2 or something) and the let paris crach, your project will
be A OK when you get paris back up!
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Has anyone been able to interpret just what this message means? And
>basically what causes it? I only had 8 tracks recorded and was working
on
>aux effects on the piano track which I had copied, delaying the copy,
>shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. After working most
of
>the day on the project, this error appeared but I wasnt able to save the
>project and since I hadn't remembered to save the project earlier I lost
it
>all. Think I will call it a day! :-(
>
>And I was proud of my Audix I5 (thanks Neil) and my OSA L3's
Waah, Hey speaking of LA2A's there is a guy over at Gearslutz seling a Royer
made LA2A type comp. Anyone know of this thing?
"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
>muuuuuhahahahahahaha!
>
>definitely my largest single purchase to date.
>
>i want some magic dust damn it!!
>
>:-)
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:438f9feb@linux...
>> What bank did you rob?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:438f9bd6$1@linux...
>> > let me do a DJ sinister laugh as i rub my hands together....
>> >
>> > muuuuuhahahahahahaha!
>> >
>> > just ordered....
>> >
>> > LTD-1
>> > Calrec PQ1161 pair
>> > la3a vintage
>> > la2a 60's vintage
>> > 33609 j/d :-)
>> > TG-1
>> > EL8X-S
>> >
>> > muuuuuuuuuhahahahahahaha!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > :-)
>> >
>> > Jeremy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Praise the Lord!
Now you'll have more time to keep up with all the simple, inexpensive,
ultimately reliable and non-Rube-Goldbergian systems in your studio that
we hear so much about. ;^)
Now back to my OSX G5, which has been reasonably solid, and to Logic
which has been known to be less than solid, although it's mysteriously
refused to crash for the last couple of days. Weird...
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to crap
> out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
>
> Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
> bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
> with such a passion ...........
>
> anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
>
>
>
>
>I understand. I have one of the infamous iBooks with the logic
board failures. Went back 4 times. Then they claimed they
wouldn't fix it any more. A bunch of people started a website with
a place to sign on to a class-action. They fixed it. Got it right
this time too.
I have a new Mac Mini that I like a lot for daily non-recording use
and it is great in general, and OSX kicks XP all over the building,
but macs do have a downside, and they do break and many things
cost too much.
I am waiting to see how the change to Intel chips changes the Mac
world before I buy anything else from them.
Besides, now I am looking at Sequoia for recording (not right away,
but within a year or so) and I am going to EASE and Smaartlive
for work, I will be joining you in PC land soon.
Maybe someday OSX will run on a dual-boot system...
yeah right
DC
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to
crap
>out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
>
>Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
>bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
>with such a passion ...........
>
>anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
>
>
>
>
>Maybe I'll put a fix on it someday, but for now, I can build a new Windows
based system with 2 G RAM that will absolutely smoke this old 466Mhz Cobalt
G4 for around $1K. Even if I spent the $$$ to upgrade the CPU to the dual
1.2GHZ CPU upgrade, it would still be running a 133MHZ system bus and it
would still be running stytem 9.2. Building a PC for her and getting the
Windows software that she needs to be productive would be money well spent,
IMHO. Also, I've got so much windows software here that she could use on a
PC that I just can't see staying in Mac world..........of course, this could
all change if she goes into Mac withdrawal after thinking about this a
while.
;o)
"DC" <dc@spamsony.com> wrote in message news:439293ad$1@linux...
>
> I understand. I have one of the infamous iBooks with the logic
> board failures. Went back 4 times. Then they claimed they
> wouldn't fix it any more. A bunch of people started a website with
> a place to sign on to a class-action. They fixed it. Got it right
> this time too.
>
> I have a new Mac Mini that I like a lot for daily non-recording use
> and it is great in general, and OSX kicks XP all over the building,
> but macs do have a downside, and they do break and many things
> cost too much.
>
> I am waiting to see how the change to Intel chips changes the Mac
> world before I buy anything else from them.
>
> Besides, now I am looking at Sequoia for recording (not right away,
> but within a year or so) and I am going to EASE and Smaartlive
> for work, I will be joining you in PC land soon.
>
> Maybe someday OSX will run on a dual-boot system...
>
> yeah right
>
> DC
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to
> crap
> >out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
> >
> >Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
> >bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
> >with such a passion ...........
> >
> >anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>ain't nuthin' bedda den liken where ya livin'...enjoy the buzz.
On 4 Dec 2005 01:07:52 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I've been in the new place over a month now, and it does take some time before
>moves settle in, but let me put a couple of things in perspective...
>
>For all you non-Melnbournites... which is the vast majority of you, I used
>to live in Glen Waverley. Glen Waverley is, according to my "Melways" directory,
>about 20km from the city centre of Melbourne Australia. Honestly I thought
>it was further than that before I went for the actual number from the book.
>Suffice to say I was a fair way out...
>
>As I look at the book now and see the numbers, I'm currently, in my new place,
>and the new NG home (with the server now in, oddly enough, my kitchen ;o),
>just inside the 5km circle. What's more, I'm north of the city, and the greater
>percentage of the band scene is north of the city here in Melbourne. Not
>all that much happens in the CBD itself. In Melbourne things are centred
>around the inner suburbs, which is where I haven't been, but now am... ;o)
>
>Tonight I caught a bus a fraction west, to one of the many epecentres of
>Melbounre music, Brunswick, and saw a guy from work play his first ever
>original gig at the Brunswick Hotel. It cost me $3.10, maybe $2 U.S. return.
>At my last place a taxi home only would be probably $60aus from this venue.
>I've already caught the local tram twice to various events. The tram heads
>south to the city. Tonight was the first time I caught the west bound bus.
>South and west are pretty much the only directions I need to go ;o). East
>are cover bands ;oP. North are people who don't care about music. ;o) The
>furthest music venues from me now are in St Kilda, which is south of the
>city, and on the bay/beach, but still in the 5km radius. A taxi from there
>would still be far cheaper than it was to my last place, and most of the
>time I would be able to catch a tram or two or something...
>
>It is, as they say, all good. ;o)
>
>The only bad thing I have noted, apart from my studio not having space for
>an actual band anymore, is that the power here seems to be 5 volts higher
>and hence my UPS for the NG server keeps clicking and complaining, and the
>server has actually hung twice (shhhh... don't tell anyone, nobody has noticed...
>;o) but the good news is my brother has found the software for the UPS (yes
>Rick he's done something good! ;o) and I may be able to correct the issues
>without undue expense...
>
>My point is, though, that I've moved from a boring outer suburb into a fantastic
>inner suburb, and it ROCKS!! I haven't even told you about the great Indian
>and Tibetan food I've discovered!!!
>
>Honestly, I'm lovin it.
>
>I was just realising earlier...
>
>Over the last ten to fifteen years, I've changed from some dude who liked
>the typical local beer and commerial music, to someone who has taste in food,
>music, beer, whatever. At no particular point I made a choice, and this new
>home is, largely, the culmination of that journey.
>
>It's great to be able to choose what to play, what not to play, what to watch,
>etc, without having to answer to anyone.
>
>Tomorrow I'm going down to the RRR BBQ. RRR being one of the local community
>subscriber radio stations to which I subscribe (and love). I can catch the
>bus for $3.10 again. At my last place I would have stayed at home and heard
>it over the radio... now will be there in person.
>
>I so much feel like I'm in the middle. In fact, I finally am.
>
>And, sorry Martin ;o), but Melbourne really is the cultural centre of Australia.
>;o) It's so good to be in close to the place where everything's happening.
>
>This has been a long long post... ;o)
>
>But gee, I'm so happy with my decision.
>
>Now I just need to buy a place in here. ;o)
>
>There's still some tweakin to do to get the NG running perfectly in the new
>place. It's getting there though. It's only hung twice. ;o) If we go offline
>you know why. ;o)
>
>I'll buy a new UPS if I need to. It's all worth it.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.man, i could almost kiss you...almost. :o)
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:58:16 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to crap
>out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
>
>Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
>bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
>with such a passion ...........
>
>anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
>
>
>
>"Jorsi" <studios@greennet.gl> wrote in message news:4391fab6@linux...
> Have you tried to lowcut the mic around 100Hz and just use it as is?
Unfortunaely the majority of the bleed is cymbals and snare
DOn
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i en meddelelse news:43907b92@linux...
>> Unfortunately the bleed is so loud and his voice level so inconsistant
>> that using a gate is not usefull.
>>
>> I have basically decided to automate a 8 db ramp up to and down from the
>> vocal sections and then copy and paste through the songs...quick simple
>> and a pain in the ass.
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> news:4390784b$1@linux...
>>>A gate with key filtering would do this. Set the key filters so the gate
>>>only opens with vocal content, then set the range to a fairly small
>>>amount. This means that the gate does not close completely, but only dips
>>>the level down a few db when the person stops singing.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> Dumb Q time...
>>>>
>>>> I've got a little side project from a friend, nothing fancy just a
>>>> quick mix of his band's live show but I don't want to spend any more
>>>> time than is necessary on this thing.
>>>>
>>>> My question has to do with reducing the level of the the lead vocal mic
>>>> when it's not in use.
>>>>
>>>> Normally I would just drop the fader 3db or so on that mic when it's
>>>> not in use but I started wondering if there is a plug in i.e. an
>>>> expander or ducker for example (never having used either of these
>>>> beasts) that might do this automatically.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>
>>
>
><david@revealaudio.com> wrote in message news:439275de$1@linux...
> AFAIK, PARIS won't import 24 bit WAV files. If you want to keep the 24
> bit
> property, you'll need to convert them to PAF. Use the PAF-WAV converter
> program.
>
> David
Tried that and it didn't work
>
> On 2-Dec-2005, "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
>> Wav files (pcm audio) 24 bit / 44.1Very cool Kim. We live in a rural area, but one that alot of artists have
been attracted to as well. Thank God, life without art is like listening
to white noise.
Great good luck in your new digs.
MR
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I've been in the new place over a month now, and it does take some time
before
>moves settle in, but let me put a couple of things in perspective...
>
>For all you non-Melnbournites... which is the vast majority of you, I used
>to live in Glen Waverley. Glen Waverley is, according to my "Melways" directory,
>about 20km from the city centre of Melbourne Australia. Honestly I thought
>it was further than that before I went for the actual number from the book.
>Suffice to say I was a fair way out...
>
>As I look at the book now and see the numbers, I'm currently, in my new
place,
>and the new NG home (with the server now in, oddly enough, my kitchen ;o),
>just inside the 5km circle. What's more, I'm north of the city, and the
greater
>percentage of the band scene is north of the city here in Melbourne. Not
>all that much happens in the CBD itself. In Melbourne things are centred
>around the inner suburbs, which is where I haven't been, but now am... ;o)
>
>Tonight I caught a bus a fraction west, to one of the many epecentres of
>Melbounre music, Brunswick, and saw a guy from work play his first ever
>original gig at the Brunswick Hotel. It cost me $3.10, maybe $2 U.S. return.
>At my last place a taxi home only would be probably $60aus from this venue.
>I've already caught the local tram twice to various events. The tram heads
>south to the city. Tonight was the first time I caught the west bound bus.
>South and west are pretty much the only directions I need to go ;o). East
>are cover bands ;oP. North are people who don't care about music. ;o) The
>furthest music venues from me now are in St Kilda, which is south of the
>city, and on the bay/beach, but still in the 5km radius. A taxi from there
>would still be far cheaper than it was to my last place, and most of the
>time I would be able to catch a tram or two or something...
>
>It is, as they say, all good. ;o)
>
>The only bad thing I have noted, apart from my studio not having space for
>an actual band anymore, is that the power here seems to be 5 volts higher
>and hence my UPS for the NG server keeps clicking and complaining, and the
>server has actually hung twice (shhhh... don't tell anyone, nobody has
noticed...
>;o) but the good news is my brother has found the software for the UPS (yes
>Rick he's done something good! ;o) and I may be able to correct the issues
>without undue expense...
>
>My point is, though, that I've moved from a boring outer suburb into a fantastic
>inner suburb, and it ROCKS!! I haven't even told you about the great Indian
>and Tibetan food I've discovered!!!
>
>Honestly, I'm lovin it.
>
>I was just realising earlier...
>
>Over the last ten to fifteen years, I've changed from some dude who liked
>the typical local beer and commerial music, to someone who has taste in
food,
>music, beer, whatever. At no particular point I made a choice, and this
new
>home is, largely, the culmination of that journey.
>
>It's great to be able to choose what to play, what not to play, what to
watch,
>etc, without having to answer to anyone.
>
>Tomorrow I'm going down to the RRR BBQ. RRR being one of the local community
>subscriber radio stations to which I subscribe (and love). I can catch the
>bus for $3.10 again. At my last place I would have stayed at home and heard
>it over the radio... now will be there in person.
>
>I so much feel like I'm in the middle. In fact, I finally am.
>
>And, sorry Martin ;o), but Melbourne really is the cultural centre of Australia.
>;o) It's so good to be in close to the place where everything's happening.
>
>This has been a long long post... ;o)
>
>But gee, I'm so happy with my decision.
>
>Now I just need to buy a place in here. ;o)
>
>There's still some tweakin to do to get the NG running perfectly in the
new
>place. It's getting there though. It's only hung twice. ;o) If we go offline
>you know why. ;o)
>
>I'll buy a new UPS if I need to. It's all worth it.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.Hi Cujo,
Unfortunately, I was not able to save it. Paris would not let me do
anything at all until I responded to the error window and then it was all
gone! I tried to pull up the project window or do anything but it was a
hard freeze.
Since I only had a single submix going and was only using a couple effects
in the aux module on one channel, I was surprised to get this error. I have
a gig of memory and a fast processor as well. I am using XP pro with SP1
though.
Thanks,
E
"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:4392898b$1@linux...
>
>
> Hey E,
> THis is one of my fave's cause I can actually help.
> If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond to the
error
> message on the screen, get to the project window and save the project
under
> a new name (songV2 or something) and the let paris crach, your project
will
> be A OK when you get paris back up!
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >Has anyone been able to interpret just what this message means? And
> >basically what causes it? I only had 8 tracks recorded and was working
> on
> >aux effects on the piano track which I had copied, delaying the copy,
> >shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. After working most
> of
> >the day on the project, this error appeared but I wasnt able to save the
> >project and since I hadn't remembered to save the project earlier I lost
> it
> >all. Think I will call it a day! :-(
> >
> >BTW Rob, what are these?
E
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
news:43915133$1@linux...
> Thanks Rod. I'll try to pick it up tomorrow when I will be at a faster
> connection.
>
> JH
>
> Rob Arsenault wrote:
> > Try:
> > ftp://manitou.serveftp.net
> > user/pass = bt
> >
> > Also disable passive mode.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
> > news:43909f78$1@linux...
> >
> >>Anyone know where these can be downloaded from? the purgatorycreek urls
> >>are not longer valid.
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>JH
> >
> >
> >Too late now, but I have found that sometimes I have more luck just hitting
ctrl-s, without even touching the project window.
When you see that HD LED blink, you know you'll be good to go
the next boot-up. I Always do an incremental save every 15 minutes
or so. Just add a number after the project name when you do a
"save as". This gives you the benefit of reviewing your progress,
and doing reality checks after many hours at mixing.
Kim
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Hi Cujo,
>Unfortunately, I was not able to save it. Paris would not let me do
>anything at all until I responded to the error window and then it was all
>gone! I tried to pull up the project window or do anything but it was a
>hard freeze.
>Since I only had a single submix going and was only using a couple effects
>in the aux module on one channel, I was surprised to get this error. I
have
>a gig of memory and a fast processor as well. I am using XP pro with SP1
>though.
>Thanks,
>E
>
>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4392898b$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Hey E,
>> THis is one of my fave's cause I can actually help.
>> If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond to the
>error
>> message on the screen, get to the project window and save the project
>under
>> a new name (songV2 or something) and the let paris crach, your project
>will
>> be A OK when you get paris back up!
>>
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >Has anyone been able to interpret just what this message means? And
>> >basically what causes it? I only had 8 tracks recorded and was working
>> on
>> >aux effects on the piano track which I had copied, delaying the copy,
>> >shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. After working most
>> of
>> >the day on the project, this error appeared but I wasnt able to save
the
>> >project and since I hadn't remembered to save the project earlier I lost
>> it
>> >all. Think I will call it a day! :-(
>> >
>> >
>
>Thanks for the tip, hadn't thought of ctrl-s. Yes, I know I need to do
regular saves and usually do, but got so involved in the excitement of the
project I just forgot. I have to admit, though, I really love Paris!
E
"Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote in message news:4392fecc$1@linux...
>
> Too late now, but I have found that sometimes I have more luck just
hitting
> ctrl-s, without even touching the project window.
> When you see that HD LED blink, you know you'll be good to go
> the next boot-up. I Always do an incremental save every 15 minutes
> or so. Just add a number after the project name when you do a
> "save as". This gives you the benefit of reviewing your progress,
> and doing reality checks after many hours at mixing.
>
> Kim
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >Hi Cujo,
> >Unfortunately, I was not able to save it. Paris would not let me do
> >anything at all until I responded to the error window and then it was all
> >gone! I tried to pull up the project window or do anything but it was a
> >hard freeze.
> >Since I only had a single submix going and was only using a couple
effects
> >in the aux module on one channel, I was surprised to get this error. I
> have
> >a gig of memory and a fast processor as well. I am using XP pro with SP1
> >though.
> >Thanks,
> >E
> >
> >"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> >news:4392898b$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey E,
> >> THis is one of my fave's cause I can actually help.
> >> If you see this error, stop what you are doing, do not respond to the
> >error
> >> message on the screen, get to the project window and save the project
> >under
> >> a new name (songV2 or something) and the let paris crach, your project
> >will
> >> be A OK when you get paris back up!
> >>
> >>
> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >> >Has anyone been able to interpret just what this message means? And
> >> >basically what causes it? I only had 8 tracks recorded and was
working
> >> on
> >> >aux effects on the piano track which I had copied, delaying the copy,
> >> >shifting the pitch, and then panning them L and R. After working
most
> >> of
> >> >the day on the project, this error appeared but I wasnt able to save
> the
> >> >project and since I hadn't remembered to save the project earlier I
lost
> >> it
> >> >all. Think I will call it a day! :-(
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>Arn't Macs are aimed at creative people anyway ?
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>man, i could almost kiss you...almost. :o)
>
>On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:58:16 -0700, "DJ"
><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to
crap
>>out in my whole life. I'm gonna build her a *real* computer now.
>>
>>Sorry.......I know this sounds awful and I do love and respect my Mac
>>bretherin here, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
>>with such a passion ...........
>>
>>anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I agree completely. OSX was a big left turn, too. That spinning pizza is
just completely unacceptable. They crash if they don't have enough ram.
They're extremely slow compared to a PC (which will change when they use
PC chips). And, they are very expensive for what the hardware and software
are really worth.
They had a really nice, simple, clean OS with OS8-9. They saved a lot of
money not having to develop an OS from the ground up by going with UNIX,
but they lost most of what made Apple wonderful and unique, too.
Just my 2 cents. :)
MikeHmmmm....and I was just fixing to buy me a Powerbook....
Jimmy
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43926a77$1@linux...
> My wife's G4 is giving up. I've never been so glad to see a computer to
cra
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Tue, 01 November 2005 11:18 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
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, but I just hate Macs and the whole *Macmoneymerrygoround*
> with such a passion ...........
>
> anyway........I couldn't have asked for a nicer Christmas present.
>
>
>
>
>There's is no need to use the Paf to wave convertor for this. Paris will convert
the 24 bit waves into 24 bit paf's for you, just select add audio file like
normal and set a record path.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
><david@revealaudio.com> wrote in message news:439275de$1@linux...
>> AFAIK, PARIS won't import 24 bit WAV files. If you want to keep the 24
>> bit
>> property, you'll need to convert them to PAF. Use the PAF-WAV converter
>> program.
>>
>> David
>
>Tried that and it didn't work
>
>>
>> On 2-Dec-2005, "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Wav files (pcm audio) 24 bit / 44.1
>
>Get Analogx Autosave for Paris.
Edna wrote:
> Thanks for the tip, hadn't thought of ctrl-s. Yes, I know I need to do
> regular saves and usually do, but got so involved in the excitement of the
> project I just forgot. I have to admit, though, I really love Paris!
> E
>
> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote in message news:4392fecc$1@linux...
>
>>Too late now, but I have found that sometimes I have more luck just
>
> hitting
>
>>ctrl-s, without even touching the project window.
>>When you see that HD LED blink, you know you'll be good to go
>>the next boot-up. I Always do an incremental save every 15 minutes
>>or so. Just add a number after the project name when you do a
>>"save as". This gives you the benefit of reviewing your progress,
>>and doing reality checks after many hours at mixing.
>>
>>Kim
>>
>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Cujo,
>>>
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Wed, 02 November 2005 07:23 |
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Messages: 77
Registered: September 2005
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times AMD and at times IBM. Motorola's
>>>slower-than-expected rollout of improved G4 chips and then IBM's
>>>slower-than-expected rollout of G5 upgrades the last few years have put
>>
>>
>>>Apple trailing more often than not on the muscle car front, but to say
>>>"extremely slow" is innaccurate. At the moment, the quad G5 has a pretty
>>
>>
>>>good claim for leader of the desktop pack and the duals are no slouches.
>>>
>>>Offering Intel chips will put OSX head to head with MSWindows and it
>>>will be interesting to see that comparison.
>>>
>>>Price wise, Apple has been a bit more expensive, about the same or a bit
>>
>>
>>>less than comparable offerings from similar turnkey computer companies
>>>depending on the product range or how you compare. The downward trend
on
>>
>>
>>>prices overall has not exempted Apple, Mac prices have come down over
>>>the last few years (despite their unfortunate decision to pull the plug
>>
>>
>>>on Mac clone manufacturers).
>>>
>>>For those who want to build their own boxes, especially in
>>>configurations Apple has not offered, that can be a money saving option.
>>
>>
>>>I say "can be" and not "will be" money saving because some box builders
>>
>>
>>>I know end up turning over their hardware fairly often. And their old
>>>hardware typically holds a lower resale value than Apple hardware. So
>>>whether building your own boxes is cheaper in the long run is not always
>>
>>
>>>a sure thing.
>>>
>>>Factor in the time spend researching, building, testing, replacing
>>>components, fussing with drivers, customizing your MSWindows setup.
>>>Then, depending on what your time is worth, the comparison may come out
>>
>>
>>>differently. But there's no denying that building your own box may give
>>
>>
>>>you a closer approximation of what you want, assuming Apple doesn't
>>>already offer what you want and assuming you don't want OSX and you
>>>really like MSWindows, BSD or Linux.
>>>
>>>Speaking of BSD and Linux, if up front cost is the measure, by far the
>>>cheapest-upfront-cost way to go is to build your own box and run an open
>>
>>
>>>source OS and software. For example: ubuntulinux.org/download/ The back
>>
>>
>>>end costs are similar for any box building adventure, time spent getting
>>
>>
>>>it all to work and getting software happening.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Audet wrote:
>>>
>>>>I agree completely. OSX was a big left turn, too. That spinning pizza
>>
>> is
>>
>>>>just completely unacceptable. They crash if they don't have enough ram.
>>>>They're extremely slow compared to a PC (which will change when they
use
>>>>PC chips). And, they are very expensive for what the hardware and software
>>>>are really worth.
>>>>
>>>>They had a really nice, simple, clean OS with OS8-9. They saved a lot
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>money not having to develop an OS from the ground up by going with UNIX,
>>>>but they lost most of what made Apple wonderful and unique, too.
>>>>
>>>>Just my 2 cents. :)
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>
>>If you wish to sync another computer (sequencer...etc) to Paris, output this
SMPTE track via audio output to a midi/timecode interface that you can then
drive another computer/sequencer with. At least that's what I do with it
anyway.
Rob
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4392fe63@linux...
> BTW Rob, what are these?
> E
>
> "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:43915133$1@linux...
> > Thanks Rod. I'll try to pick it up tomorrow when I will be at a faster
> > connection.
> >
> > JH
> >
> > Rob Arsenault wrote:
> > > Try:
> > > ftp://manitou.serveftp.net
> > > user/pass = bt
> > >
> > > Also disable passive mode.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
> > > news:43909f78$1@linux...
> > >
> > >>Anyone know where these can be downloaded from? the purgatorycreek
urls
> > >>are not longer valid.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>
> > >>JH
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>Hi all,
Just a heads up for us remaining Mac fans.
Avoid Firefox 1.5 for OSX. (it's the current release)
It's pretty buggy. The worst issue is it's refusing to quit out and
keeping the computer from shutting down.
I went back to 1.0.4 and everything is fine again.
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Dimitrios,
>I have a major problem with this cause some of the tracks of submix =
1` cannot
>be rendered neither with no native plugins...
Is this because you are flying them in from another program? I'd =
record them in Paris if this
is the case. Then apply stereo plugs (native) to tracks. Rendering =
is not needed.
>Is there any tip using the digital spdif in out to have all in time =
and alligned?
Just the BT loop technique. You'll need to use sampleslide or =
equivilent to time
align.
>I have read that spdif out-in is 1 sample latent.
Yes 1 ms.
The problem is that I have to record via spdif via actual levels and =
then
when I import should leave them at 0 point level, right ? =20
As long as levels are right I'd just leave them.
or do it the other way around ?
I don't understand exactly what you are saying here. =20
Tom
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Dimitrios,
>Sorry I had a gig last night. Do as Erling suggested regarding =3D
>rendering
>all tracks and copying to a new folder. Start a new Paris project =
and =3D
>call
>it something different. Go to audio window and import all newly =3D
>rendered
>files you need. Set a new record path too. Make sure saves work =
after
=3D
>each step. =3D20
>In original project make sure all effects being used have been saved =
=3D
>individually. In old project
>copy all mixer settings in Mixer A (You discovered this last week!), =
=3D
>open new project and paste=3D20
>all mixer settings in its Mixer A. Try to save right after this and =
=3D
>every step. Close Mixer A in new project
>then reopen it. This should make all the plugins 'appear'. Just a =
=3D
>quirky Paris thing.
>Now get those presets working in each plugin. Try a save. If all is =
=3D
>well do these same steps
>across all Submixes until all Mixers/plugins are the same as original =
=3D
>project. Try a save.
>Now might be a good time to try your stereo plugin that causes your =
=3D
>problem in the old
>project. If after it's installed in the new one, you can save then =
=3D
>you're almost out of the woods.
>
>If you were using automation you will need to copy that too. Go to =
=3D
>Automation Editor A in old project.
>Select Volume, Set Now Line to beginning of project. Use 'Select =
All' =3D
>command or drag
>across all 16 tracks with mouse to highlight everything. Control C =
=3D
>(copy). Go to new project,
>put Now Line at beginning of project in Automation Editor and make =
sure
=3D
>active track is the first one that was active
>on the old project when copying. Otherwise your data may paste a =
track =3D
>or two off. The effects
>return automation has to be done separately from tracks. After this, =
go
=3D
>to original project and select Mute.
>Copy paste etc.. Repeat these steps on all auto editors that were =
being
=3D
>used.
>
>It sounds harder than it really is. Remember to try saving between =
each
=3D
>step in new project.
>If at any time it doesn't want to save, you have found out why there =
is
=3D
>a problem. Possibly
>an unknown bug. =3D20
>
>Good luck. You'll be a better man for it!
>Tom
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43918529@linux...
> Dimitros
>
> My way of doing this is:
> Have Paris closed,
> make a new folder on the audio harddisk with Explorer or =
something=3D20
> similar(I'm using TotalCommander).
> Copy ONLY waves or/and PAF files from the old project into the new =
=3D
>folder.
> Start a new project in Paris.
> Import from the new folder all the Waves and PAF files you need =
into =3D
>the new=3D20
> project and set the path to the new project.
> In Ediit menu, set the files into the subgroups and channels you =
wish.
> Now you have a new project without any old, saved information at =
all =3D
>to=3D20
> start from scratch.
> It's important that all files are rendered to start from zero in =
the =3D
>old=3D20
> project.
>
> If this doesn't help and the earlier rendered stereofiles have =3D
>absolutelly=3D20
> correct lenghts, I can't think of other things than plugin =
problems.
>
> Hope this can help to explain my way of doing something with this =
kind
=3D
>of=3D20
> problems.
>
> Erling
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =3D
>news:43917c01$1@linux...
> >
> >
> > Sory if I ask much but the way I do the project rebuild does not =
=3D
>help.
> > How do you do a rebuild ?
> > I just go to audio folder export audio objects or wave files =
under a
=3D
>new
> > folder then save the new song and then reopen from new folder.
> > I guess you might refer to something different here right ?
> > Can you explain your way ?
> > Thanks
> > Regards,
> > Dimitrios
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Dimitrios,
> >>I agree with Erlilo. Try different channels or a different
> >>submix if you can. Otherwise rebuilding the mix from
> >>scratch in a new project is the next best bet. Copy all
> >>mixer settings and presets of effects to make it easier.
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
=3D3D
> >>news:43908331$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Dimitrios, You probably know this, but just to make sure...
> >> If you want to use stereo native plugins, you can NOT have any =
=3D
>mono =3D3D
> >>plugins
> >> on those tracks. That goes for native and EDS.
> >> Do you have any mono eds or native plugs also on the stereo =
pair?
> >> Rod
> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Dear Tom,
> >> >It is not the plugin under other song I can open a stereo =
native
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>effect.
> >> >In my project I cannot open ANY stereo effect.
> >> >Even chainer only...
> >> >I can save my project no problem if I don't use a stereo =
native =3D
>=3D3D
> >>effect.
> >> >ALSO on submix 3 I managed toopen a stereo native effect but =
not
=3D
>on =3D3D
> >>submix
> >> >1 or 4 , any suggestion ?
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Dimitrios
> >> >
> >> >"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Dimitrios,
> >> >>Are you saying you can save before this stereo plugin
> >> >>is inserted? I'd say you may have a rouge plugin that
> >> >>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't like. Try the same thing
> >> >>in a different project. ie: Same stereo plugin inserted
> >> >>on another stereo pair of tracks. Now can you save?
> >> >>If so it may be your project. If not it's probably your =
plugin.
> >> >>
> >> >>Good luck,
> >> >>Tom
> >> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D3D3D
> >> >>news:43906b78$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for your suggestions.
> >> >> I have rendered using the hardware method via adat and =3D
>achieved =3D3D
> >>one =3D3D3D
> >> >>nice
> >> >> compact stereo track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved =
=3D
>all =3D3D
> >>audio
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>files
> >> >> on new folder and saved under new name I used the clear =3D
>missing =3D3D
> >>files
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>just
> >> >> before that but again no luck when I put a stereo native =
=3D
>effect on
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>this stereotrack
> >> >> even without hitting play when I try to save assertion =
fails
=3D
>and
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>doesn't
> >> >> allow of any save !
> >> >> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve =
....
> >> >> rEGARDS,
> >> >> dIMITRIOS
> >> >>
> >> >> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Dimitrios,
> >> >> >Rendering is your answer. Don't render tracks with =
plugins.
=3D
>In
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >the right side=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> >won't have any effect. Double check to see that their =
timing
=3D
>is
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>correct
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >too.
> >> >> >Some people have problems with that.
> >> >> >Tom
> >> >> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message =3D3D3D
> >> >>news:43900b57$1@linux...
> >> >> > There you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks =
=3D
>and =3D3D
> >>look
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >after that=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > each stereopair is starting and ending at the same =
places =3D
>will
> > =3D3D
> >>do
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>the
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >job=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > when saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back =
if
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>something
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >are=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > going wrong again. If the time alignments are going =
wrong =3D
>in =3D3D
> >>some
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>of =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >the=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in =
=3D
>version
> > =3D3D
> >>2,
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >when=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left and =
=3D
>right =3D3D
> >>and =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >muting all=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > other tracks. Then you can import them into the project =
=3D
>again =3D3D
> >>on =3D3D3D
> >> >>their
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >old=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > places and give them new names.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Erling
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =
=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >news:439000f1$1@linux...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hi,
> >> >> > > Thanks for your replies.
> >> >> > > What I have managed is to have the same start and end =
for
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>both =3D3D3D
> >> >>audio
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >files
> >> >> > > just by cutting at cursor pointy on both tracks.
> >> >> > > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of themhas =
different
=3D
>cut
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>points
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >and=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > > joint
> >> >> > > points , does this matter?
> >> >> > > If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not =
=3D
>actually
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >but
> >> >> > > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove =
=3D3D
> >>different =3D3D3D
> >> >>parts
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >on=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > > each
> >> >> > > of the "stereo" tracks to make them on time.
> >> >> > > I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the =
stereo
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>perspective
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >of=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > > them
> >> >> > > pl;aying hard left and hard right.
> >> >> > > Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening =
knob
=3D
>?? =3D3D
> >>!!
> >> >> > > Amazing stereo result with complete mono compatibility =
,
=3D
>not
> > =3D3D
> >>like
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >waves=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > > imager
> >> >> > > at all...
> >> >> > > Cheers,
> >> >> > > DImitrios
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "Ennio" <ennio@galicorp.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides of the =
=3D
>stereo =3D3D
> >>file
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>must
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >be
> >> >> > > at
> >> >> > >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest =
=3D
>down =3D3D
> >>you =3D3D3D
> >> >>can =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >go on
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > >>zoom tool)
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message =3D3D3D
> >> >>news:438f4d36@linux...
> >> >> > >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files =
or =3D
>no =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>different
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >holes
> >> >> > >>in
> >> >> > >>> any of the stereo objects?
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> Erling
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i =3D
>melding=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > >>> news:438f3760$1@linux...
> >> >> > >>> >
> >> >> > >>> > Hi,
> >> >> > >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when =
I =3D
>try =3D3D
> >>to =3D3D3D
> >> >>put a
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >>> > stereo
> >> >> > >>> > native
> >> >> > >>> > effect on any audio track on any submix when I try =
to
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>save I
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >always
> >> >> > > get
> >> >> > >>> > assertion
> >> >> > >>> > failed and cannot save either on same name or =3D
>other...
> >> >> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects =
as I
=3D
>did
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>before
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >but
> >> >> > >>don't
> >> >> > >>> > know why Paris doesn't let to...
> >> >> > >>> > Regards,
> >> >> > >>> > Dimitrios
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 =3D
>Transitional//EN">
> >> >> ><HTML><HEAD>
> >> >> ><META http-equiv=3D3D3D3D3DContent-Type =3D
>content=3D3D3D3D3D"text/html; =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >charset=3D3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> >> >> ><META content=3D3D3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =3D
>name=3D3D3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> >> >> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> >> >> ></HEAD>
> >> >> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D3D3D#ffffff>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial =3D
>size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Rendering =
is =3D
>your =3D3D
> >>answer. Don't
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >render tracks=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> >with plugins. In stereo the right side </FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D3D2>won't =3D
></FONT><FONT =3D3D3D
> >> >>face=3D3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >size=3D3D3D3D3D2>have any=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> >effect. Double check to see that their timing is correct =
=3D
>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >too.</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Some =
people have
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>problems with
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >that.</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> >style=3D3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D
>MARGIN-LEFT:
> > =3D3D
> >>5px;
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> >> > <DIV>"erlilo" <<A =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D3D=
20
> >> >> > wrote in message <A=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<=
/DI=3D
>V>Th=3D3D
> >>ere
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >you have=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after =
=3D
>that =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >><BR>each
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >
> >> >> > stereopair is starting and ending at the same places =
will =3D
>do =3D3D
> >>the =3D3D3D
> >> >>job =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> ><BR>when=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if =
=3D3D
> >>something =3D3D3D
> >> >>are =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> ><BR>going=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in =
some
=3D
>of
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>the=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as =
in
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>version
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>2,
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >when=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR>mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left =
and
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>right =3D3D3D
> >> >>and =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >muting=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > all <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the =
=3D
>project
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>again
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >on their=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > old <BR>places and give them new =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitrios"=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <<A =3D3D
> =
>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >skrev i=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > melding <A=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...=
<BR=3D
>>><B=3D3D
> >>R>&g=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >t;=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have =
managed
=3D
>is =3D3D
> >>to =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >have=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by =
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>cutting at
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >cursor=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo =
tracks
=3D
>each
> > =3D3D
> >>of
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >themhas=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > different cut points and <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =
=3D3D
> >>this=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these =
tracks =3D
>are =3D3D
> >>not
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >actually=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > stereo but<BR>> two takes of acoustic guitar playing so =
I =3D
>had =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >tomove=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > different parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" =
tracks =3D
>to =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >make them=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > on time.<BR>> I want a stereo effect because I wanna =
expand
=3D
>the
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >stereo=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > perspective of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =
=3D3D
> >>hard=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo =
=3D
>widening
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >knob ??=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =3D
>compatibility
> > =3D3D
> >>, =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >not like=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at all...<BR>> =3D
>Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio" <<A=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3=
D3D3D=3D
>20
> >> >> > wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides =
of
=3D
>the
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >stereo=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > file must be<BR>> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to =
the
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >sample=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > (the furthest down you can go on<BR>> =3D
>the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D
>href=3D3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =3D3D
> >>wrote in
> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >message <A=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>>>=
>
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >Is it=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > exactly the same length on each stereo files or no =3D3D
> >>different=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the stereo=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D
>href=3D3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
> > =3D3D
> >>skrev
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>i =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >melding=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR>>>> <A=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...=
<BR=3D
>>>>&=3D3D
> >>g=3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D
> >> >>
> >> >> >t;=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have almost =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >finished my=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > project mixing and when I try to put a <BR>>>> =
>=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > effect on any =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >audio=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > track on any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =3D
>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > > assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on =
=3D
>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >same name=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > or other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use =
=3D
>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >stereo=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > effects as I did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know =3D
>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >why=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Paris doesn't let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>> =
=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >>=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D3D3D
> >> >> >=3D3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 =
Transitional//EN">
> >> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >> >><META http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type =
content=3D3D3D3D"text/html; =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> >> >><META content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =3D
>name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> >> >><STYLE></STYLE>
> >> >></HEAD>
> >> >><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Are you saying =
you can
=3D
>save =3D3D
> >>before this
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >>plugin</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>is inserted? I'd =
say =3D
>you may =3D3D
> >>have =3D3D3D
> >> >>a rouge=3D3D3D20
> >> >>plugin that</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>your wrapper or =
Paris =3D
>just =3D3D
> >>doesn't =3D3D3D
> >> >>like. Try=3D3D3D20
> >> >>the same thing</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>in a different =
project.
=3D
>ie: =3D3D
> >>Same =3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >>plugin inserted</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>on another =
stereo pair
=3D
>of =3D3D
> >>tracks. =3D3D3D
> >> >>Now can you=3D3D3D20
> >> >>save?</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>If so it may be =
your =3D
>project. =3D3D
> >>If =3D3D3D
> >> >>not it's=3D3D3D20
> >> >>probably your plugin.</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Good =
luck,</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D20
> >> >>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT:
=3D
>5px;
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> >> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =
href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
=3D
>wrote
> > =3D3D
> >>in =3D3D3D
> >> >>message=3D3D3D20
> >> >> <A =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</D=
IV>=3D
><BR>=3D3D
> >>Than=3D3D3D
> >> >>ks=3D3D3D20
> >> >> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware =
=3D
>method
> > =3D3D
> >>via
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>adat=3D3D3D20
> >> >> and achieved one nice<BR>compact stereo track with my =
acoustic
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>guitars, I even=3D3D3D20
> >> >> saved all audio files<BR>on new folder and saved under new =
=3D
>name I
> > =3D3D
> >>used
> >> >=3D3D3D
> >> >>the=3D3D3D20
> >> >> clear missing files just<BR>before that but again no luck =
when
=3D
>I =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>put a=3D3D3D20
> >> >> stereo native effect on this stereotrack<BR>even without =
=3D
>hitting =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>play =3D3D3D20
> >> >> when I try to save assertion fails and doesn't<BR>allow of =
any
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>save =3D3D3D
> >> >>!<BR>Note=3D3D3D20
> >> >> that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit =
SAve=3D3D3D20
> >> >> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" =
<<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3=
D3D20=3D
>
> >> >> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>Rendering is =
your=3D3D3D20
> >> >> answer. Don't render tracks with plugins. In=3D3D3D20
> >> >> stereo<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>the right side=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>won't =
have =3D
>any =3D3D3D
> >> >>effect. =3D3D3D20
> >> >> Double check to see that their timing is =3D3D3D
> >> >>correct<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>too.<BR>>Some=3D3D3D20
> >> >> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> "erlilo" =
=3D3D3D
> >> >><<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =
href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =3D
>wrote in
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>message <A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> There=3D3D3D20
> >> >> you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look =
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>after=3D3D3D20
> >> >> that=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending =
at =3D
>the =3D3D3D
> >> >>same=3D3D3D20
> >> >> places will do the<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>job=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =
when =3D
>saving =3D3D3D
> >> >>under a new=3D3D3D20
> >> >> name, just to be sure to go back if =3D3D3D
> >> >>something<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>are=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong =
in =3D
>some
> > =3D3D
> >>of=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>the=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> stereofiles, you can =
rendering =3D
>the =3D3D3D
> >> >>old, hard=3D3D3D20
> >> >> way, as in version 2, =3D3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =
mixing =3D
>down =3D3D3D
> >> >>each=3D3D3D20
> >> >> stereopair with panning hard left and right and =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D3D20
> >> >> all=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> other tracks. Then you can import them =
into
=3D
>the =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>project=3D3D3D20
> >> >> again on their<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>old=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> places =
and =3D
>give =3D3D3D
> >> >>them new=3D3D3D20
> >> >> names.<BR>><BR>> Erling<BR>><BR>><BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D3D20
> >> >> <<A =3D
>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>skrev i=3D3D3D20
> >> >> melding =3D3D3D3D<BR>>news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>><BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Hi,<BR>> > Thanks for your replies.<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>> What I=3D3D3D20
> >> >> have managed is to have the same start and end for =
both=3D3D3D20
> >> >> audio<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>files<BR>> > just by cutting at =
cursor =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>pointy on=3D3D3D20
> >> >> both tracks.<BR>> > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of =
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>themhas=3D3D3D20
> >> >> different cut points<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> > =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>joint<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> > points , does this matter?<BR>> > If you ask me why =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>it is=3D3D3D20
> >> >> because these tracks are not actually =3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove =
=3D3D
> >>different=3D3D3D20
> >> >> parts<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>on=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> > each<BR>> > =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>of the=3D3D3D20
> >> >> "stereo" tracks to make them on time.<BR>> > I want a =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> effect because I wanna expand the stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> perspective<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>of=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> > =3D3D3D
> >> >>them<BR>> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>> > Have you tried =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>T-racks=3D3D3D20
> >> >> compressor's stereo widening knob ?? !!<BR>> > Amazing =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> result with complete mono compatibility , not like=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>waves=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> > imager<BR>> > =
at=3D3D3D20
> >> >> all...<BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> > =3D3D3D
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59797 is a reply to message #59796] |
Wed, 02 November 2005 08:33 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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> >> >>DImitrios<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "Ennio" <<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D
=
>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D2=
0
> >> >> wrote:<BR>> >>The in-points (and out-points) on both =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>sides of=3D3D3D20
> >> >> the stereo file must<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>be<BR>> > =3D3D3D
> >> >>at<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest =
down =3D
>you =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>can=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>go on<BR>> > the<BR>> >>zoom=3D3D3D20
> >> >> tool)<BR>> >><BR>> >>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =
href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =3D
>wrote in
> > =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>message <A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D
>href=3D3D3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>> =
=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or =
=3D
>no=3D3D3D20
> >> >> different<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>holes<BR>> >>in<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>><BR>> >>> Erling<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =
href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
=3D
>skrev
> > =3D3D
> >>i=3D3D3D20
> >> >> melding=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> >>> <A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Hi,<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I =
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>try to=3D3D3D20
> >> >> put a<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>><BR>> >>> > =3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =3D3D3D
> >> >>audio=3D3D3D20
> >> >> track on any submix when I try to save I =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>always<BR>> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>>>> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> failed and cannot save either on same name or other...<BR>> =
=3D
>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as =
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>I did=3D3D3D20
> >> >> before<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> >>don't<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > know why Paris doesn't let to...<BR>> >>> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>>><BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> >><BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE=3D3D3D20
> >> >> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D3D3D20
> >> >> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D3D3D20
> >> >> http-equiv=3D3D3D3D3DContent-Type =3D
>content=3D3D3D3D3D"text/html;=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>content=3D3D3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D3D3D20
> >> >> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =
>>name=3D3D3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=3D3D3D
> >> >>D><BR>><BODY=3D3D3D20
> >> >> bgColor=3D3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D3D3D
> >> >>ONT=3D3D3D20
> >> >> face=3D3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is your =
answer. =3D
>Don't =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>render=3D3D3D20
> >> >> tracks=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>with plugins. In stereo the right =3D
>side=3D3D3D20
> >> >> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20
> >> >> size=3D3D3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D3D2>have=3D3D3D20
> >> >> any=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>effect. Double check to see that their =
timing
=3D
>is =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>correct=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D3D
> >> >>face=3D3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20
> >> >> size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Some people have problems with=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>that.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D3D3D20
> >> >> face=3D3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D
=
>>>size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D3D20 <BR>=3D3D3=
D
> >> >>>style=3D3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D3D3D20
> >> >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D
>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >>#000000 2px=3D3D3D20
> >> >> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"erlilo" =3D3D3D
> >> >><<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D3=
D20'>=3D
>mailto=3D3D
> >>:erlil=3D3D3D
> >> >>o@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D3D20</A><BR>> =
=3D3D3D20
> >> >> wrote in message <A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =
href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</D=
IV>=3D
>Ther=3D3D
> >>e'>n=3D3D3D
> >> =
>>ews:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=3D3D3D
> >> >>ere</A><BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>you=3D3D3D20
> >> >> have=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> the problem. I think rendering the =
tracks =3D
>and =3D3D3D
> >> >>look after=3D3D3D20
> >> >> that <BR>each<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>><BR>> stereopair is =3D3D3D
> >> >>starting and=3D3D3D20
> >> >> ending at the same places will do the job=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>><BR>when=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> saving under a new =
name, =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>just to be=3D3D3D20
> >> >> sure to go back if something are =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>><BR>going=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some =
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>of=3D3D3D20
> >> >> the=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>old, hard=3D3D3D20
> >> >> way, as in version 2,<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D3D3D
> >> >><BR>mixing down=3D3D3D20
> >> >> each stereopair with panning hard left and right =
and=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> all <BR>other tracks. =
Then =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>you can=3D3D3D20
> >> >> import them into the project again<BR>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>on =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>their=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> old=3D3D3D20
> >> >> <BR>places and give them new=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>=3D3D3D
> >> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> <<A href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mail=
to:=3D
>musu=3D3D
> >>rgio=3D3D3D
> >> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>skrev i=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> melding =
<A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR=
>><=3D
>BR>&=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> =
>>g'>news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D3D3D
> >> >>><BR>&g</A>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have =3D3D3D
> >> >>managed=3D3D3D20
> >> >> is to =3D3D3D3D<BR>>have=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> the same start and =
end =3D
>for =3D3D3D
> >> >>both audio=3D3D3D20
> >> >> files<BR>> just by cutting at =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>cursor=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> pointy=3D3D3D20
> >> >> on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks each =
=3D
>of=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>themhas=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> different cut points =
and =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >><BR>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> joint<BR>> points , does this=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>matter?<BR>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> If you ask me why it is because these tracks are =
not=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>actually=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> stereo but<BR>> two =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>takes of=3D3D3D20
> >> >> acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D
>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>tomove=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>different=3D3D3D20
> >> >> parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>make them=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> on time.<BR>> I =
want =3D3D3D
> >> >>a stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> effect because I wanna expand the =3D
>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>perspective=3D3D3D20
> >> >> of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and=3D3D3D20
> >> >> hard=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>compressor's=3D3D3D20
> >> >> stereo widening =3D3D3D3D<BR>>knob ??=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =
!!<BR>> =3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>Amazing=3D3D3D20
> >> >> stereo result with complete mono compatibility , =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>not=3D3D3D20
> >> >> like=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at=3D3D3D20
> >> >> all...<BR>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=3D3D3D20
> >> >> <<A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3=
D3D3D=3D
>20'>ma=3D3D
> >>ilto:e=3D3D3D
> >> =3D
=
>>>nnio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D3D20</A><BR>>&n=3D3D3=
D
> >> >>bsp;=3D3D3D20
> >> >> wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides =
=3D3D3D
> >> >>of the=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> file must =
be<BR>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>sample=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> (the furthest down you =
can =3D
>go=3D3D3D20
> >> >> on<BR>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" =3D3D3D
> >> >><<A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:e=
rli=3D
>lo@o=3D3D
> >>nlin=3D3D3D
> >> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> wrote in =3D3D3D3D<BR>>message <A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR'>ne=
ws:=3D
>438f=3D3D
> >>4d36=3D3D3D
> >> >>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>Is it=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> exactly the same length =
on =3D
>each =3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo files=3D3D3D20
> >> >> or no different=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the=3D3D3D20
> >> >> stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios"=3D3D3D20
> >> >> <<A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mail=
to:=3D
>musu=3D3D
> >>rgio=3D3D3D
> >> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> skrev i =3D3D3D3D<BR>>melding=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =
<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> <A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =
=3D3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D'news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR=
>>>=3D
>&g'>=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> =
>>news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>=3D3D3D
> >> >>;>&g</A>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have =3D3D3D
> >> >>almost=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>finished my=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> project mixing =
and when
=3D
>I =3D3D3D
> >> >>try to put a=3D3D3D20
> >> >> <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>stereo<BR>>>> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> native<BR>>>> > effect on any=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>audio=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> track on any submix =
when I try
=3D
>to =3D3D3D
> >> >>save I=3D3D3D20
> >> >> always<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either =
on=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>same name=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> or =3D3D3D
> >> >>other...<BR>>>> > The=3D3D3D20
> >> >> problem is that I want to use =
=3D3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>
=3D
>=3D3D3D
> >> >>effects as I=3D3D3D20
> >> >> did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know=3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>why=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> Paris doesn't let =3D3D3D
> >> >>to...<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D
> >> >>
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>=3D3D3D
> >> >>;>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>=3D3D3D
> >> >><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
=3D3D
> >>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> >><META content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> >><STYLE></STYLE>
> >></HEAD>
> >><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I agree with Erlilo. Try =
=3D3D
> >>different channels=3D3D20
> >>or a different</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>submix if you can. =
Otherwise =3D
>=3D3D
> >>rebuilding the=3D3D20
> >>mix from</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>scratch in a new project =
is the
=3D
>next =3D3D
> >>best=3D3D20
> >>bet. Copy all</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>mixer settings and =
presets of =3D
>effects =3D3D
> >>to make it=3D3D20
> >>easier.</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><DIV> </DIV>
> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
> >>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px;
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.co=
m</=3D
>A>&g=3D3D
> >>t;=3D3D20
> >> wrote in message <A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D"news:43908331$1@linux">news:43908331$1@linux</A>...</DIV><=
BR>=3D
>Dimi=3D3D
> >>trios,=3D3D20
> >> You probably know this, but just to make sure...<BR>If you want =
to
=3D
>use
> > =3D3D
> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> native plugins, you can NOT have any mono plugins<BR>on those =
=3D
>tracks.
> > =3D3D
> >>That=3D3D20
> >> goes for native and EDS.<BR>Do you have any mono eds or native =
=3D
>plugs =3D3D
> >>also on=3D3D20
> >> the stereo pair?<BR>Rod<BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> >> =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=3D3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Dear Tom,<BR>>It is not the plugin under =3D3D
> >>other song I=3D3D20
> >> can open a stereo native effect.<BR>>In my project I cannot =
open =3D
>=3D3D
> >>ANY stereo=3D3D20
> >> effect.<BR>>Even chainer only...<BR>>I can save my project no =
=3D3D
> >>problem if=3D3D20
> >> I don't use a stereo native effect.<BR>>ALSO on submix 3 I =
managed
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>toopen a=3D3D20
> >> stereo native effect but not on submix<BR>>1 or 4 , any =3D
>suggestion=3D3D20
> >> ?<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D
=
>href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Dimitrios,<BR>>>Are =3D3D
> >>you saying=3D3D20
> >> you can save before this stereo plugin<BR>>>is inserted? =3D3D
> >>I'd say=3D3D20
> >> you may have a rouge plugin that<BR>>>your wrapper or Paris =
just =3D
>=3D3D
> >>doesn't=3D3D20
> >> like. Try the same thing<BR>>>in a different =3D3D
> >>project. ie:=3D3D20
> >> Same stereo plugin inserted<BR>>>on another stereo pair of =
=3D3D
> >>tracks. =3D3D20
> >> Now can you save?<BR>>>If so it may be your project. If =3D3D
> >>not it's=3D3D20
> >> probably your plugin.<BR>>><BR>>>Good=3D3D20
> >> luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
wrote
=3D
>in =3D3D
> >>message=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>news:43906b78$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>Thanks for=3D3D20
> >> your suggestions.<BR>>> I have rendered using the hardware =
=3D3D
> >>method=3D3D20
> >> via adat and achieved one =3D3D3D<BR>>>nice<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>compact stereo=3D3D20
> >> track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved all=3D3D20
> >> audio<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>files<BR>>> on new folder and =3D3D
> >>saved=3D3D20
> >> under new name I used the clear missing =3D3D20
> >> files<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>just<BR>>> before that but =3D3D
> >>again no luck=3D3D20
> >> when I put a stereo native effect on =3D3D3D<BR>>>this=3D3D20
> >> stereotrack<BR>>> even without hitting play when I =3D3D
> >>try to=3D3D20
> >> save assertion fails and =3D3D3D<BR>>>doesn't<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>allow of any=3D3D20
> >> save !<BR>>> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when =
=3D3D
> >>I hit=3D3D20
> >> SAve ...<BR>>> rEGARDS,<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> dIMITRIOS<BR>>><BR>>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D
=
>href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> >Dimitrios,<BR>>> >Rendering is your answer. =3D3D
> >>Don't=3D3D20
> >> render tracks with plugins. In =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >the right side=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>won't have=3D3D20
> >> any effect. Double check to see that their timing is=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>correct<BR>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >too.<BR>>> >Some people have problems with=3D3D20
> >> that.<BR>>> >Tom<BR>>> > "erlilo" =3D3D
> >><<A=3D3D20
> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =
wrote in
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>message=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>news:43900b57$1@linux...<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>There you=3D3D20
> >> have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and=3D3D20
> >> look<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >after=3D3D20
> >> that=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > each stereopair is starting =3D3D
> >>and ending=3D3D20
> >> at the same places will do<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>the<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >job=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>when saving=3D3D20
> >> under a new name, just to be sure to go back if=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>something<BR>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >are=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > going wrong again. If the =3D3D
> >>time=3D3D20
> >> alignments are going wrong in some<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>of =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >the=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > stereofiles, you can =3D3D
> >>rendering the=3D3D20
> >> old, hard way, as in version =3D3D
> >>2,<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >when=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > mixing down each =3D3D
> >>stereopair with=3D3D20
> >> panning hard left and right and =3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =
=3D3D
> >>>muting=3D3D20
> >> all=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > other tracks. Then you can =3D3D
> >>import them=3D3D20
> >> into the project again on =3D3D3D<BR>>>their<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >old=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>places and=3D3D20
> >> give them new names.<BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> Erling<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> > "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
skrev
=3D
>i =3D3D
> >>melding=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> > ><BR>>> > > =3D3D
> >>Hi,<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > > Thanks for your replies.<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>>=3D3D20
> >> What I have managed is to have the same start and end for =3D
>both=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>audio<BR>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >files<BR>>> > > just by cutting at cursor =3D3D
> >>pointy=3D3D20
> >> on both tracks.<BR>>> > > Buit insight the =3D3D
> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> tracks each of themhas different cut =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>>points<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >and=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>>=3D3D20
> >> joint<BR>>> > > points , does this=3D3D20
> >> matter?<BR>>> > > If you ask me why it is =3D3D
> >>because=3D3D20
> >> these tracks are not actually =3D3D3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >but<BR>>> > > two =3D3D
> >>takes of=3D3D20
> >> acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove different=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>parts<BR>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >on=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > each<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> > > of the "stereo" tracks to make them on =3D3D
> >>time.<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > > I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand the =3D3D
> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>perspective<BR>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >of=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > them<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> > > pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > > Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo widening =3D3D
> >>knob ??=3D3D20
> >> !!<BR>>> > > Amazing stereo result with =3D3D
> >>complete mono=3D3D20
> >> compatibility , not like<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> >waves=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > =3D3D
> >>imager<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > > at all...<BR>>> > >=3D3D20
> >> Cheers,<BR>>> > > DImitrios<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > ><BR>>> > ><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> > "Ennio" <<A=3D3D20
> >> =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20
> >> wrote:<BR>>> > >>The in-points (and =3D3D
> >>out-points) on=3D3D20
> >> both sides of the stereo file<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>must<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >be<BR>>> > >=3D3D20
> >> at<BR>>> > >>the identical spot - down to =3D3D
> >>the=3D3D20
> >> sample (the furthest down you =3D3D3D<BR>>>can =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >go=3D3D20
> >> on<BR>>> > > the<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> >>zoom tool)<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>>><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > >>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D20
> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =
wrote in
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>message=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>news:438f4d36@linux...<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>>>>=3D3D20
> >> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or no=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>different<BR>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >holes<BR>>> > >>in<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> >>><BR>>> > >>>=3D3D20
> >> Erling<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
skrev
=3D
>i=3D3D20
> >> melding=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > >>> <A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&=
n=3D3D=3D
>
> >>bsp;=3D3D20
> >> > >>> ><BR>>> > >>> =3D3D
> >>>=3D3D20
> >> Hi,<BR>>> > >>> > I have almost =3D3D
> >>finished my=3D3D20
> >> project mixing and when I try to =3D3D3D<BR>>>put =3D3D
> >>a<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> ><BR>>> > >>> =3D3D
> >>>=3D3D20
> >> stereo<BR>>> > >>> > =3D3D
> >>native<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > >>> > effect on any audio track on any submix =3D3D
> >>when I=3D3D20
> >> try to save I<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >always<BR>>> > > get<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> >>> > assertion<BR>>> > >>> =3D3D
> >>>=3D3D20
> >> failed and cannot save either on same name or =3D3D
> >>other...<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo =3D3D
> >>effects=3D3D20
> >> as I did =3D3D3D<BR>>>before<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >but<BR>>> > >>don't<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > >>> > know why Paris doesn't let=3D3D20
> >> to...<BR>>> > >>> >=3D3D20
> >> Regards,<BR>>> > >>> >=3D3D20
> >> Dimitrios<BR>>> > >>><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > >>><BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> >><BR>>> > >><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> >=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> ><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ><BR>>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML =3D3D
> >>4.0=3D3D20
> >> Transitional//EN"><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ><HTML><HEAD><BR>>> ><META=3D3D20
> >> http-equiv=3D3D3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D3D3D"text/html; =
=3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >charset=3D3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>>> ><META=3D3D20
> >> content=3D3D3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =3D3D
> >>name=3D3D3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ><STYLE></STYLE><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ></HEAD><BR>>> ><BODY=3D3D20
> >> bgColor=3D3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>>> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is =
=3D3D
> >>your answer.=3D3D20
> >> Don't<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >render=3D3D20
> >> tracks=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> >with plugins. In stereo the right =
=3D3D
> >>side=3D3D20
> >> </FONT></DIV><BR>>> ><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>face=3D3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>size=3D3D3D3D3D2>have=3D3D20
> >> any=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> >effect. Double check to see that =3D3D
> >>their timing=3D3D20
> >> is correct =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >too.</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Some people have =
problems=3D3D20
> >> with<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >that.</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D
> >>size=3D3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>style=3D3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px;=3D3D20
> >> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =3D3D
> >>5px;<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: =3D3D
> >>0px"><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > <DIV>"erlilo" <<A =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D3D20'=
>mail=3D
>to:erl=3D3D
> >>ilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D3D20</A><BR>>>&n=3D3D
> >>bsp;=3D3D20
> >> > wrote in message <A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
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> >>ews:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=3D3D
> >>ere</A><BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >you have=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> the=3D3D20
> >> problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after =
that=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>><BR>each<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ><BR>>> > stereopair is starting and ending at =3D3D
> >>the=3D3D20
> >> same places will do the =3D3D3D<BR>>>job =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =
=3D3D20
> >> ><BR>when=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > saving under a =3D3D
> >>new name,=3D3D20
> >> just to be sure to go back if something =3D3D3D<BR>>>are =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> ><BR>going=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > wrong again. =3D3D
> >>If the time=3D3D20
> >> alignments are going wrong in some of =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>>the=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, =3D3D
> >>as in=3D3D20
> >> version<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>2,<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >when=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > <BR>mixing down =3D3D
> >>each=3D3D20
> >> stereopair with panning hard left and right =
=3D3D3D<BR>>>and=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >muting=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>all=3D3D20
> >> <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the =
project=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>again<BR>>> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >on=3D3D20
> >> their=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > old <BR>places and =3D3D
> >>give them new=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitr=3D3D
> >>ios"=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > <<A href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:m=
usu=3D
>rgio=3D3D
> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >skrev =3D3D
> >>i=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > melding <A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D3D<BR>>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
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R>&=3D
>=3D3D
> >>g'>news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D3D
> >>><BR>&g</A>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >t;=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks =3D3D
> >>for your=3D3D20
> >> replies.<BR>> What I have managed is to=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>have=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by =3D3D
> >>cutting=3D3D20
> >> at<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>cursor=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the =3D3D
> >>stereo tracks=3D3D20
> >> each of<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >themhas=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > different cut points =3D3D
> >>and=3D3D20
> >> <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =3D3D
> >>this=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these =3D3D
> >>tracks=3D3D20
> >> are not<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >actually=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > stereo =3D3D
> >>but<BR>> two=3D3D20
> >> takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =
=3D3D20
> >> >tomove=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > different parts on =3D3D
> >><BR>>=3D3D20
> >> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>make=3D3D20
> >> them=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > on time.<BR>> I want =3D3D
> >>a stereo=3D3D20
> >> effect because I wanna expand the =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > perspective of =3D3D
> >><BR>>=3D3D20
> >> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =3D3D
> >>hard=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's =3D3D
> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> widening =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >knob ??=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =3D3D
> >>compatibility ,=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >not =3D3D
> >>like=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at =3D3D
> >>all...<BR>>=3D3D20
> >> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=3D3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
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D20'>=3D
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> =
>>:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D3D20</A><BR>&g=3D3D
> >>t;> =3D3D20
> >> > wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on =3D3D
> >>both=3D3D20
> >> sides of the =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > file must be<BR>> at<BR>>>the =3D3D
> >>identical spot -=3D3D20
> >> down to the =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>sample=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> (the furthest down you can go on<BR>>=3D3D20
> >> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo"=3D3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlil=
o@o=3D
>nlin=3D3D
> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> >> wrote in<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >message=3D3D20
> >> <A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>>href=3D3D3D'news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR'>news:4=
38f=3D
>4d36=3D3D
> >>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>>>=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >Is it=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>exactly the=3D3D20
> >> same length on each stereo files or no =3D3D
> >>different=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> > holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the=3D3D20
> >> stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>>&n=3D3D
> >>bsp;=3D3D20
> >> > Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> =3D3D
> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> =3D
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>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:m=
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> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> >> skrev<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>i =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >melding=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > <BR>>>> =3D3D
> >>
> >> <A=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>>href=3D3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
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; > project mixing and =3D3D
> >>when I=3D3D20
> >> try to put a <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > =3D3D
> >>effect on=3D3D20
> >> any =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >audio=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> track on=3D3D20
> >> any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > > =3D3D
> >>
> >> assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >same name=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> =3D3D
> >>> or=3D3D20
> >> other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >stereo=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>effects as=3D3D20
> >> I did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > =3D3D
> >>know=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >why=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D
> >>Paris doesn't=3D3D20
> >> let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>>=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> >>=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>&g=3D3D
> >>t;<BR>>><BR>>=3D3D3D3D<BR>>> =3D3D20
> >> >=3D3D3D3D20<BR>>> > =3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>=3D3D
> >>> =3D3D20
> >> ><BR>>> =3D3D
> >>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><!DOCTYPE=3D3D20
> >> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>Transitional//EN"><BR>>><HTML><HEAD><BR>>><=3D3D
> >>META=3D3D20
> >> http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type =
content=3D3D3D3D"text/html;=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>>><META =3D3D
> >>content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D3D20
> >> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>>>=3D3D
> >></HEAD><BR>>><BODY=3D3D20
> >> bgColor=3D3D3D3D#fffff
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| Re: Got the Shiny Box 46L matched pairlast week. [message #59800 is a reply to message #59799] |
Wed, 02 November 2005 11:18 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV>&=3D3D
> >>lt;FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Are you saying you can save =
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>before=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>this<BR>>=3D3D3D<BR>>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>>plugin</FONT ><=3D3D
> >>/DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>is inserted? I'd say you may =
have =3D
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> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>>a=3D3D20
> >> rouge=3D3D3D20<BR>>>plugin=3D3D20
> >> that</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't =3D
>=3D3D3D<BR>>>like.=3D3D20
> >> Try=3D3D3D20<BR>>>the same=3D3D20
> >> thing</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>in a different project. ie: Same=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>>>plugin=3D3D20
> >> inserted</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>on another stereo pair of tracks. =
=3D3D3D<BR>>>Now can
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>
> >> =3D3D
> >>you=3D3D3D20<BR>>>save?</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV>=3D3D
> >><FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>If so it may be your project. =
If =3D3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>>not=3D3D20
> >> it's=3D3D3D20<BR>>>probably your=3D3D20
> >> plugin.</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> size=3D3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D3D
> >></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Good=3D3D20
> >> luck,</FONT></DIV><BR>>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
> >>size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D20=3D3D
> >><BR>>>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D3D20
> >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D3D3D<BR>>>BORDER-LEFT:
=3D
>=3D3D
> >>#000000=3D3D20
> >> 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>>> =3D3D
> >><DIV>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
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>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:m=
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> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> >> wrote in =3D3D3D<BR>>>message=3D3D3D20<BR>>> <A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> =3D3D
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>>>href=3D3D3D'news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$Report message to a moderator
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