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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61478 is a reply to message #61471] |
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Deej [1]
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might work..and the above suggestion will work
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>> YMMV
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>> Don
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>> "RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43bc7a43@linux...
>> > Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember a trick
>> > listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a different
>> > track,
>> > pan
>> > tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second track and
>> > slowly
>> > bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track fader at 0.
>> > Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to cancel each other out. Does
>> > anyone use this, and if so, how do you get the FX to not whack each
> other
>> > out?
>> >
>> >
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>I still like that TL Audio PA2 preamp as well. It's got at meaty retro thing
going. Nor pristine, but flattering to a *lot* of sources. Old stuff (even
Mackie stuff ;o) definitely has some good characteristics when paired up
with the right source.....and here at the Studio Of The Living Dead, we
knows about this stuff ;o)
"Aaron Allen" <nope@diespam.not> wrote in message news:43bd77d6$1@linux...
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> Funny thing about this, and I know I'm gonna get slagged for it, is that I
> actually like the tonal qualities of the old XLR10 add on pack for the
CR1604
> better than my VLZ preamps. They don't cut my head off, and I have tried
> some fairly decent mics through them.
>
> AA
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Buy the premp shootout CD at 3D audio and see if you can tell one iota of
> >difference between the Mackie VLZ Pro and some
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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61485 is a reply to message #61484] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 11:08 |
Aaron Allen
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uot; <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember a trick
>listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a different track,
pan
>tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second track and slowly
>bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track fader at 0.
>Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to cancel each other out. Does
>anyone use this, and if so, how do you get the FX to not whack each other
>out?
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Hi and happy new year.
>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these reliable
>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more complicated.
>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
drumagog
>perfectly (if you can say that)
>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
Hey Dimitrios!
If your talking about using pickups to record analog drum patterns then replacing
the sound with Drumagog I think it would work.
If you are talking about recording drums with pickups, I have a little experience
with this. I have a Drum system from Barcus-Berry (http://www.barcusberry.com/)
that was made back in the early 80's. The system has 5 or 6 transducer pickups
for drums and 5 or 6 transducer cymbal mics. The cymbal mics were copied
by Ziljan cymbal company, they were little black boxes that clip on to cymbal
stands under the cymbals.
At the time the idea was that the whole system was cheaper than buying all
the mics needed for a whole drum set. Also they where trying to say that
the sound of a drum really comes from the drum shell, so it was a more purest
approach to pick up the shell or place the transducer on the head by the
shell. Concepts are great, but reality is real. They did not work vary
well. They would pick up every little rattle, buzz and noise. YMMV. They
worked fine as drum trigers. What I did for recording was, I pulled all
the lugs off the drums and I cut up little squares of thin carpet padding
foam and wrapped all the springs in side the lugs, then I put the lugs back
on the drums. This helped the over all sound of the drums a lot, and I recommend
any body micing drums should do this.
I don't think transducer pick ups alone will satisfy you, however I think
it could enhance the sound of conventional micing on drums. Like the way
micing the strings of an electric guitar for a lead part. The additional
string noises when mixed in with the guitar track helps to add realism and
make the track stand out. A little more drum shell woodyness might add life.
I think you should buy one cheap transducer pickup and experiment with it.
Put it every where and see what you come up with.
The system came with a 9 volt battery powered mixer, unfortunately it was
mono. The mixer supplied phantom power to the transducers. The amount of
phantom power was some odd number like 7 volt, sorry I can't remember now.
The cymbal mics where good for live performance because they cut through
a mix. I did record with them with Ok results. This was done in my early
recording days. I plugged them right in to the line inputs of an old Tascam
M 224 mixer, I'm lucky I didn't blow something up. Some times they where
a little noisy.
I like a natural warm woody ambient recording. As a drummer, 90% of the time
I prefer to record the whole drum set for more realism. I play them as
a set and I prefer to record them that way. Dampening noises, especially
metallic noises is important. I will use pipe insulation foam on cymbal
stands to cut down on metallic ring and other noises. I like suspension
rims for more and longer resonance. I make my own zero rings out of lighter
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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61486 is a reply to message #61485] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 11:23 |
Jamie K
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material, and have used Moon gels at times. I usually cut them down in size.
There are also mechanical drum gates, but there a PITA to work with.
I would experiment on the cheap with one transducer pickup and see what you
get, before you spend a lot of money. You could always use it as a trigger.
Good luck!
James"rave" <rave@jokersandthieves.com> wrote:
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>
>Get a singer who can't stay in key. That always stands out. :-)
>-rave
What's key?
; )
>
>"RK" <kent510745@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Trying to get lead vocals to jump out of the mix and I remember a trick
>>listed somewhere telling you to copy a vocal track to a different track,
>pan
>>tracks left and right, then reverse the phase on the second track and slowly
>>bring the fader on the second track to meet the other track fader at 0.
>>Seemed to work, but the effects seemed to cancel each other out. Does
>>anyone use this, and if so, how do you get the FX to not whack each other
>>out?
>>
>>
>I agree that the mic and placement will make much more difference than the
pre in most cases. I didn't ever try my old Mackie 1604 board for recording.
I did try my VLZ and VLZpro boards though. I just remember everything
sounding "brittle". At that time, I only had a few "decent" mics though
(AT4050-CM5 and 4031's). When I switched to an A&H board and the pre's
seemed more even. Then I went to a Trident iX one 16 ch unit and it sounds
pretty similar to the A&H. Anyway, I digress. I wasn't knocking the older
Mackie stuff, hell I've bought 4 of their mixers and am looking hard at
their new TT24 digital board for my band (I'm using a Roland VM7200 digital
board now). I'm sure with the right mic any half way decent pre can sound,
well, decent. ;>)
Tony
"Aaron Allen" <nope@diespam.not> wrote in message news:43bd77d6$1@linux...
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> Funny thing about this, and I know I'm gonna get slagged for it, is that I
> actually like the tonal qualities of the old XLR10 add on pack for the
> CR1604
> better than my VLZ preamps. They don't cut my head off, and I have tried
> some fairly decent mics through them.
>
> AA
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Buy the premp shootout CD at 3D audio and see if you can tell one iota of
>>difference between the Mackie VLZ Pro and some preamps costing 10 times
> the
>>price. I guarantee you will be surprised. With the Mackie VLZ's it's all
>>about the mic you use. Put a decent mic on these and they shine. Pur a
>>cheap
>>POS on them with a bunch of fizzy top end distortion and they don't.
>>
>>My $0.02
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>>Deej
>>
>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>news:43bd5d71@linux...
>>> Listen for yourself indeed. This is always the best advice!
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:43bd5a4c$1@linux...
>>> >
>>> > With Mackie, it's always marketing hype. Mackie has been known to
>>> > over
>>> > hype
>>> > their products, not to say they don't make reasonably good stuff.
>>Always
>>> > use your own ears. I remember reading somewhere on Gearslutz where
>>> > somebody
>>> > was taking their Onyx Mixer back because the mic pres were too shrill
>>and
>>> > harsh. Of course every bodies got different ears, so listen for
>>yourself!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> >>so what will their next pres be? Even better, and then they'll have
> to
>>> >
>>> >>come up with some adjectives to describe what is wrong with the
>>> >>Onyx's.
>>> >
>>> >> I loves audio !
>>> >>
>>> >>Tony Benson wrote:
>>> >>> From what I've heard, the Onyx pre's are a pretty big step up from
> the
>>> >
>>> >>> VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and though
>>the
>>> >
>>> >>> VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" to them
>>> >>> that
>>> > I
>
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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61487 is a reply to message #61486] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 11:34 |
Deej [1]
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;>> >>> didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother sounding.
>>> >>> I'll
>>> >
>>> >>> have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from first
>>> >>> hand
>>> >
>>> >>> knowledge.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tony
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:43bd4431@linux...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Yes there is a big difference. The VLZpro series is where Mackie
>>> >>>>rose
>>> >>>>high on the radar of the pro user for quality, usefullness and bang
>>for
>>> >>>>the buck mic pre. Of course, you gotta use the insert out via first
>>> >>>>click
>>> >>>>method and avoid the channel.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Regards,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>El Miguel
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>news:43bd177a$1@linux...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>Don't know...I just asked him what he used, and that's what he
>>> >>>>>said.
>>> > I
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>didn't
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>> >>>>>Rod
>>> >>>>>"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>>> >>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Is this Mackie the VLZpro series?
>>> >>>>>>I don't know how the new Onyx pres compare.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>He could try to audition the cheap Behringer ADA8000 with it.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>http://www.studioprojects.com/sp828.html
>>> >>>>>>This is an 8 channel mic pre about $800, that needs to be run into
>>an
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>ADC.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>Just ideas to keep cost in check.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Regards,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>El Miguel
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>news:43bca3d6@linux...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>Yeah, avoid that LT man.. cheap hardware, inconsistent volumes
>>across
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>it
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>and
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>just generally felt shoddy.
>>> >>>>>>>I'd take a Behr ADA8000 over it 'any day' to be honest, and it's
> a
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>whole
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>lot
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>less money.
>>> >>>>>>>Not sure what the current recommend is though bro, I've been out
> of
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>that
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>market for a while now and I'd hate to mislead ya.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>AA
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>news:43bc0147$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>I've got a friend/client who's looking for an 8 channel mic pre
>>that
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>has
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>lightpipe/spdif
>>> >>>>>>>>outs. He's running a digi 002 rig and wants to bypass the digi
> A/D
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>stage.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He was
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>looking
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>a
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>a presonus digimax LT, but I
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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61493 is a reply to message #61487] |
Sat, 17 December 2005 12:44 |
Jamie K
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;>> >
>>> >>> VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and =
though
>>the
>>> >
>>> >>> VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" =
to them
>>> >>> that
>>> > I
>>> >>> didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother =
sounding.
>>> >>> I'll
>>> >
>>> >>> have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from =
first=20
>>> >>> hand
>>> >
>>> >>> knowledge.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tony
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:43bd4431@linux...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Yes there is a big difference. The VLZpro series is where =
Mackie=20
>>> >>>>rose
>>> >>>>high on the radar of the pro user for quality, usefullness and =
bang
>>for
>>> >>>>the buck mic pre. Of course, you gotta use the insert out via =
first
>>> >>>>click
>>> >>>>method and avoid the channel.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Regards,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>El Miguel
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>news:43bd177a$1@linux...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>Don't know...I just asked him what he used, and that's what =
he=20
>>> >>>>>said.
>>> > I
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>didn't
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>> >>>>>Rod
>>> >>>>>"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi =
002.
>>> >>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Is this Mackie the VLZpro series?
>>> >>>>>>I don't know how the new Onyx pres compare.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>He could try to audition the cheap Behringer ADA8000 with =
it.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>http://www.studioprojects.com/sp828.html
>>> >>>>>>This is an 8 channel mic pre about $800, that needs to be =
run into
>>an
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>ADC.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>Just ideas to keep cost in check.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Regards,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>El Miguel
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>news:43bca3d6@linux...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>Yeah, avoid that LT man.. cheap hardware, inconsistent =
volumes
>>across
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>it
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>and
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>just generally felt shoddy.
>>> >>>>>>>I'd take a Behr ADA8000 over it 'any day' to be honest, and =
it's
> a
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>whole
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>lot
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>less money.
>>> >>>>>>>Not sure what the current recommend is though bro, I've =
been out
> of
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>that
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>>>market for a while now and I'd hate to mislead ya.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>AA
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>news:43bc0147$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>I've got a friend/client who's looking for an 8 channel =
mic pre
>>that
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>has
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>lightpipe/spdif
>>> >>>>>>>>outs. He's running a digi 002 rig and wants to bypass the =
digi
> A/D
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>stage.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>He wants it to be good, but affordability is a concern. He =
was
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>looking
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>a
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>a presonus digimax LT, but I saw that Aaron had some =
experience
>>with
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>those
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>and wasn't that hot on them.
>>> >>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into
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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61536 is a reply to message #61527] |
Sun, 18 December 2005 10:56 |
Jamie K
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"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:43bd18de$1@linux...
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> Aaron, the comp I'm talking about has the Triton board. It's got sata
> already,
> doesn't it? I'm sure it does.
> Rod
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>> g
>>
>>The place where one sticks that last EDS/UAD card, LOL!
>>
>>On that note, behold.. feel the love on the cheap:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161231 04
>>
>>... or feel it on the bleedin' edge:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161180 29
>>
>>I didn't even know that they 'had' RAID50... yikes!
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>news:43bcc939$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Even if it doesn't, RAID SATA controller cards are cheap now, and work
>
>>>>great
>>>
>>>>if you have an open PCI slot.
>>>>AA
>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>> g
>>
>>
>I know chuck lurks around here waxing poetic about PARIS or some other outdated
piece of software.
Anyway, where is Chuck ? he doesn't owe me money, or software or DVDs or
anything (although that seems to be a popular gripe on this board past two
years)
Anyway, Chuckles, come up for air andlet me know what is up.
Your pal in Scranton
-- Steve's brotherYou can import a 24 bit stereo wav and export the file as an mp3
without mixing down to 16 bit. Since I post online roughs for clients as
mp3s,
that's pretty darn handy.I understand the vibe vs reality thing. I just loaded Garritan Personal
Orchestra. It's pretty nice and it's sample based. I've got a buddy here in
town that is using the synful Orchestra. It's systhesis based but the way it
goes about it is extremely pleasing to the ear and actually seems a bit more
realistic to me than the GPO..........the Synful orchestra sounds very
retro, but in a very good way. If you're looking for piano though, it's
gotta be Ivory and that as VSTi.
Do you need portable rig? That's another consideration. I decided to go with
a totally sample/VSTi based setup here right before the first of the year.
Right now I'm using an MAudio Keystation 88 with the following VSTi's
BFD-BFD XFL
Jamstix
Groove Agent II
Halion Player 3.1
Ivory
Garritan Personal Orchestr
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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61537 is a reply to message #61536] |
Sun, 18 December 2005 10:57 |
Deej [1]
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a (haven't yet decided if this is a keeper)
Native Instruments B4 II (hasn't showed up yet but I've heard the B4 vI and
I'm smitten with the NI implementation of the B# organ so I'm expecting to
be happy with this)
I'm counting on these, along with Jammer v6 for roughing out song ideas and
Cubase SX for finishing them out and my Paris rig to provide what I need
here for a pretty well fleshed out audio production capability. This next
year is looking like it's going to be getting a bit more complex than the
acoustic/singer/songwriter/bluegrass based stuff I've been doing for the
last few years.....plus, mu muse is tweaked and I want to start composing
music again. It's been a long time since I've written anything and I always
enjoyed producing (according to my wife...I enjoy it a little too much and
need to simplify.......simplify....??????.....me????
;o)
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43bddb75$1@linux...
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> Hey Deej,good point about reality vs. synthesis.Hadn't thought of
> it that way,but I'm probably thinking more reality vibe.
> Yeah,I played an Oasys the other day.Nice board,but 8k I don't
> think so;)
>
> Pete
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >If you're looking for reality instead of synthesis, go soft all the way.
> Get
> >you a good controller and build yourself a moose of a comp to stream
samples
> >or if you need portability get the thingie that plays them out of a box
> >(forget the name)....or you could drop $8k and get yourself a Korg Oasys.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
> >> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
> >> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
> >> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
> >> into the SX thing.
> >> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
> >> little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
> >> route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
> >> with.
> >> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
> >> that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
> >> will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
> >>
> >> Any advice appreciated,
> >> Pete
> >
> >
>Ain't that *special file* thing cool? I love being able to just skip the
whole dither step.
;o)
you a good controller and build yourself a moose of a comp to stream samples
or if you need portability get the thingie that plays them out of a box
(forget the name)....or you could drop $8k and get yourself a Korg Oasys.
;o)
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
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> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
> into the SX thing.
> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
> little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,sof
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| Re: Mucking up the thread [message #61539 is a reply to message #61537] |
Sun, 18 December 2005 11:21 |
Jamie K
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>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
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>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>> into the SX thing.
>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>> little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>> route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>> with.
>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>> that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>> will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>
>> Any advice appreciated,
>> Pete
>
>Korg makes that, right?
(tic)
AA
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Aaron, the comp I'm talking about has the Triton board. It's got sata
> already,
> doesn't it? I'm sure it does.
> Rod
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>> g
>>
>>The place where one sticks that last EDS/UAD card, LOL!
>>
>>On that note, behold.. feel the love on the cheap:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161231 04
>>
>>... or feel it on the bleedin' edge:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161180 29
>>
>>I didn't even know that they 'had' RAID50... yikes!
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>news:43bcc939$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Even if it doesn't, RAID SATA controller cards are cheap now, and work
>
>>>>great
>>>
>>>>if you have an open PCI slot.
>>>>AA
>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>> g
>>
>>
>I know chuck lurks around here waxing poetic about PARIS or some other outdated
piece of software.
Anyway, where is Chuck ? he doesn't owe me money, or software or DVDs or
anything (although that seems to be a popular gripe on this board past two
years)
Anyway, Chuckles, come up for air andlet me know what is up.
Your pal in Scranton
-- Steve's brotherYou can import a 24 bit stereo wav and export the file as an mp3
without mixing down to 16 bit. Since I post online roughs for clients as
mp3s,
that's pretty darn handy.I understand the vibe vs reality thing. I just loaded Garritan Personal
Orchestra. It's pretty nice and it's sample based. I've got a buddy here in
town that is using the synful Orchestra. It's systhesis based but the way it
goes about it is extremely pleasing to the ear and actually seems a bit more
realistic to me than the GPO..........the Synful orchestra sounds very
retro, but in a very good way. If you're looking for piano though, it's
gotta be Ivory and that as VSTi.
Do you need portable rig? That's another consideration. I decided to go with
a totally sample/VSTi based setup here right before the first of the year.
Right now I'm using an MAudio Keystation 88 with the following VSTi's
BFD-BFD XFL
Jamstix
Groove Agent II
Halion Player 3.1
Ivory
Garritan Personal Orchestra (haven't yet decided if this is a keeper)
Native Instruments B4 II (hasn't showed up yet but I've heard the B4 vI and
I'm smitten with the NI implementation of the B# organ so I'm expecting to
be happy with this)
I'm counting on these, along with Jammer v6 for roughing out song ideas and
Cubase SX for finishing them out and my Paris rig to provide what I need
here for a pretty well fleshed out audio production capability. This next
year is looking like it's going to be getting a bit more complex than the
acoustic/singer/songwriter/bluegrass based stuff I've been doing for the
last few years.....plus, mu muse is tweaked and I want to start composing
music again. It's been a long time since I've written anything and I always
enjoyed producing (according to my wife...I enjoy it a little too much and
need to simplify.......simplify....??????.....me????
;o)
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Hey Deej,good point about reality vs. synthesis.Hadn't thought of
> it that way,but I'm probably thinking more reality vibe.
> Yeah,I played an Oasys the other day.Nice board,but 8k I don't
> think so;)
>
> Pete
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >If you're looking for reality instead of synthesis, go soft all the way.
> Get
> >you a good controller and build yourself a moose of a comp to stream
samples
> >or if you need portability get the thingie that plays them out of a box
> >(forget the name)....or you could drop $8k and get yourself a Korg Oasys.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
> >>
> >> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
> >> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
> >> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
> >> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
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>>> >onboard
>>> >> >SATA but it's pinging the PCI bus a little and therefore isn't much
>>> >faster
>>> >> >than ATA33.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >news:s3tpr1lk8vmphfgn3jf4c7c8cdn9jt06a4@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> opinions???
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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>>yup.
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:31:24 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
<nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Korg makes that, right?
>(tic)
>AA
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:43bd18de$1@linux...
>>
>> Aaron, the comp I'm talking about has the Triton board. It's got sata
>> already,
>> doesn't it? I'm sure it does.
>> Rod
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>>> g
>>>
>>>The place where one sticks that last EDS/UAD card, LOL!
>>>
>>>On that note, behold.. feel the love on the cheap:
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161231 04
>>>
>>>... or feel it on the bleedin' edge:
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161180 29
>>>
>>>I didn't even know that they 'had' RAID50... yikes!
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bcc939$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>Even if it doesn't, RAID SATA controller cards are cheap now, and work
>>
>>>>>great
>>>>
>>>>>if you have an open PCI slot.
>>>>>AA
>>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>
>It never did that for me. I only tried one player though.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Do you guys have any problem when going from chapter to chapter?
>My DVD player jams up and goes to the table of contents after every =
>section.
>It drives me nuts because I feel like I'm always missing information?
>I've tried two different disks but they're both the same so it's either
>the DVD production or my lame ass DVD player.
>
>Anybody else?
>
>By the way I still watch it no matter how painful...
>Tom
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>I'm sure Chuckles will get him ! hahaha Yeah Chuckie baby, drop by
and chat.
Steve's Brother Chris wrote:
> I know chuck lurks around here waxing poetic about PARIS or some other outdated
> piece of software.
> Anyway, where is Chuck ? he doesn't owe me money, or software or DVDs or
> anything (although that seems to be a popular gripe on this board past two
> years)
> Anyway, Chuckles, come up for air andlet me know what is up.
>
> Your pal in Scranton
>
> -- Steve's brotheryep, mine too, i just watch it all the way through. I only watched it
twice and took notes so now I pretty much know all it has. The BT
comping section with all the Booms and Bams is hilarious.
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Do you guys have any problem when going from chapter to chapter?
> My DVD player jams up and goes to the table of contents after every section.
> It drives me nuts because I feel like I'm always missing information?
> I've tried two different disks but they're both the same so it's either
> the DVD production or my lame ass DVD player.
>
> Anybody else?
>
> By the way I still watch it no matter how painful...
> Tom
>
>Hey Pete
I've yet to dip into soft synths. I'm thinking about trying out Absynth or
Ivory. One thing about hardware though, and it may not really matter if
you've got a quick computer, they don't use up any CPU cycles.
MR
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43bdc14e$1@linux...
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> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
> collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
> motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
> currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
> into the SX thing.
> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
> little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
> route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
> with.
> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
> that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
> will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>
> Any advice appreciated,
> PeteWell, I think with the cheapie prices of hard drives and the low cost of USB
enclosure, I am
going that route for now. I'll burn on DvD, plus put a copy of the project
on a spare hard
drive. Of course watch out for rip-offs. Those external hard drives sold
in wally mart and
such are nothing more than a hard drive in an enclosure. And they paste a
20% something
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> E
>
> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote in message news:43a2efda$1@linux...
> >
> > Hi, Ed.
> > Nothing I say will help you right now, but...
> > I actually stay away from "+" R's for the same reason.
> > I have had the most luck with Pioneer burners, too, FWIW.
> > (had Liteon and LG. Neither inspire confidence.)
> > Also after making a backup, I always copy it back onto my audio drive
just
> > to make sure it will read.
> > Always burn a little slower than max, and so far Imation and TDK blanks
> > have never let me down.
> > Good Luck,
> > Kim
> >
> > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >My experience with the DvD delimma of this kind is that sometimes it is
> > because
> > >of the plus (+) or minus (-). I have had so many burnt DvD not playing
in
> > >some.. but does read in others. I only purchase burners that do both
> plus
> > >and minus and I only purchase quality plus DvD's. I stay away from
> minus.
> > >
> > >I too have stuff archived from years ago (2001/2002) that I archived
with
> > >an older Panasonic (minus) DvD burner. Of course, they sit there and I
> > can't
> > >get the data off of them. I have tried several different drives with
the
> > >same results...
> > >
> > >Of course, this proves a VERY important lesson... DvD backups "are not"
> > reliable
> > >in the long term. Perhaps the quality of the media and the drives
> improved
> > >since then, but I don't feel too safe with burning backups on DvDs now.
> > I
> > >bought a Sony tape drive not long ago, but I hate it. There is no way
to
> > >get pieces of your data off the tape once it is backed up. The only
cheap
> > >alternative I see, is to buy cheap, smaller hard drives (4/6/10GB) and
> back
> > >up folders to them.
> > >
> > >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Definately worth trying another drive too. I've had many files that
> would
> > >>read on some drives but not others.
> > >>
> > >>Cheers,
> > >>Kim.
> > >>
> > >>"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>thanks man.
> > >>>
> > >>>i will try these!
> > >>>
> > >>>jeremy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>"Gene Lennon" <glennoon@NOSPmurealbox.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:43a1d31f$1@linux...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>> >i have an archived song on DVD. I need to get 1 file off of the
DVD
> > >>(its
> > >>>> >the final mix).
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >i keep getting an error that says "Cannot copy No Such Luck Indie
> Final:
> > >>>> >The parameter is incorrect."
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >any suggestions?? am i totally screwed?? i wonder if another dvd
> > drive
> > >>>> >would read the file??
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >and yea... that's the title of the song... can you believe that??
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >Jeremy
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sounds like directory deletion.
> > >>>> Try:
> > >>>> http://www.stellarinfo.com/disk-recovery.htm
> > >>>> or
> > >>>> http://www.ontrack.com/
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And next time call the track "Lucky Indie"
> > >>>> g
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>80P HA HA
r
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Korg makes that, right?
>(tic)
>AA
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:43bd18de$1@linux...
>>
>> Aaron, the comp I'm talking about has the Triton board. It's got sata
>> already,
>> doesn't it? I'm sure it does.
>> Rod
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>>> g
>>>
>>>The place where one sticks that last EDS/UAD card, LOL!
>>>
>>>On that note, behold.. feel the love on the cheap:
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161231 04
>>>
>>>... or feel it on the bleedin' edge:
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168161180 29
>>>
>>>I didn't even know that they 'had' RAID50... yikes!
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bcc939$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>Even if it doesn't, RAID SATA controller cards are cheap now, and work
>>
>>>>>great
>>>>
>>>>>if you have an open PCI slot.
>>>>>AA
>>>> Open PCI slot- Whats that? :-)
>>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>
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now *that's* a good trick!
still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
just my 2cents
Aaron Allen wrote:
>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them to
>open the gates :)
>AA
>
>
>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>
>
>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will be
>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should be
>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling the
>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>>> news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>> I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>>> interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
one.
>>> At
>>>>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>> I'm
>>>>> considering switching to protools.
>>>>>
>>>>> jef
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>> bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
>has,
>>>>>> including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>> are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>> that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>seem
>>> to
>>>>>> start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>
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>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>I have to tell you that it's more 60/40 these day for me. Now that I built
>myselt a Dedicated VSTi & Giga Machine (PC), powering up my keyboard racks
>is becoming less less.
>
>Last year I sysytematicaly set out to replace all of modlus and import stock(meat
>& Potatoes) sounds that can get me thru a modern production.
>When Spectrasonics updated Stylus to RMX & Battery/Acid, I know long have
>to use my MPC for sounds, but only as a seqencer.
>Here the replacement list:
>
>For Rhodes: Native Instruments : Electick Piano, Scrarbee Rhodes
>
>For Real Grand Pianos: Giga Pianos,Soon Ivory
>For Synth Bass : Trilogy, Auturia Mini Moog
>Pads : Atmosphere,FM7, Albino(!!!),Wavestation
>Analogy Synths : Pro 53, Atmosphere,Korg poly 6,Moog,
> CS- 80,Arp 2600
>Organs: NI's B4..
>Real Strings : Garritan Giga Strings,Sonic Implants,Kirk Hunter
>
>Real Drum Sim: BFD, Battery..
This is a good list. Some additions by category:
“Unique Percussion” –
Culture
RA
Stormdrum
“ROMPLER type softsynth” – Cakewalk Dimension Pro.
“Strings” EWQL Gold or several of the high-end GigaStudio libraries.
“Ultra-Modern Sounding Synth” – Sculpture (comes in Logic 7).
“Something New” - LinPlug Octopus (like FM7 with filters and unique programming)
“Real Drums” – Larry Seyer for Giga.
Gene
I still like my Korg Oasys PCI synth – not really hardware – not really software
– What is it?Jef,
Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as there
would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be lowered
quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a little. I don't
think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm intrigued.
Tony
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43be6f5c@linux...
> now *that's* a good trick!
>
> still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
> dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>
> just my 2cents
>
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>
>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them
>>to
>>open the gates :)
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>
>>
>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>be
>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>be
>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>the
>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>the
>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>all
>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>
>>>>jef
>>>>
>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>reliable
>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>an
>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>What a voice - thanks Lou!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10737897/
Singer Lou Rawls dies of cancer at 72
Grammy winner began as choir boy, sold 40 million albumsWhat a voice - thanks Lou!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10737897/
Singer Lou Rawls dies of cancer at 72
Grammy winner began as choir boy, sold 40 million albumsSo is anybody using this?Seems like it could be useful or is it
just popular with the electronica/dance crowd?Obviously the
orchestral type sounds don't compare to other libraries,but it
seems like you get alot for the money.
Or is that the selling point;alot of good but not great sounds
for the money.
Pete"Lance Reichert" <lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>What a voice - thanks Lou!
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10737897/
>
>Singer Lou Rawls dies of cancer at 72
>Grammy winner began as choir boy, sold 40 million albums
>
>
the other voice on Bring It On Home, answering and harmonizing with Sam Cooke.
What a talent."TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason to
>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>
>TCB
ok, Thad, here's one.,
I have yet to take anything small to a gig (mixer, rompler module, etc) which
I put carefully on top of my keyboard thingies, which hasn't gotten knocked
off and onto the ground. Whether it's the drunks in the audience or careless
band members or my own stupid self, it seems to happen to every one of them.
I'd hate to have that happen with a laptop. Crunch!
That, and I'm the only one in the known universe at this point without a
laptop...or a cell phone...or a pda... or a gps... or...an automated loom....
-steve the luddite
-steve
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>collection-Ku
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I use it for composing.
Jorsi
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:43be9e63$1@linux...
>
> So is anybody using this?Seems like it could be useful or is it
> just popular with the electronica/dance crowd?Obviously the
> orchestral type sounds don't compare to other libraries,but it
> seems like you get alot for the money.
> Or is that the selling point;alot of good but not great sounds
> for the money.
>
> Petetried it a couple of times with sleeping with fists but...it didn't
work...she still insisted she was right...
On 7 Jan 2006 03:44:19 +1000, "Pete Ruthenburg"
<ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> So is anybody using this?Seems like it could be useful or is it
>just popular with the electronica/dance crowd?Obviously the
>orchestral type sounds don't compare to other libraries,but it
>seems like you get alot for the money.
> Or is that the selling point;alot of good but not great sounds
>for the money.
>
>Petechip is often a name adopted by people name charles so...the amazing
chipster where for art thou...your peasants await your word. john
made me do this....sorry.
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 07:10:52 -0500, John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I'm sure Chuckles will get him ! hahaha Yeah Chuckie baby, drop by
>and chat.
>
>Steve's Brother Chris wrote:
>> I know chuck lurks around here waxing poetic about PARIS or some other outdated
>> piece of software.
>> Anyway, where is Chuck ? he doesn't owe me money, or software or DVDs or
>> anything (although that seems to be a popular gripe on this board past two
>> years)
>> Anyway, Chuckles, come up for air andlet me know what is up.
>>
>> Your pal in Scranton
>>
>> -- Steve's brothertom, what are you watching it on? are all your codes up to date??? i
know this is a stretch but what's your video card. i know that ati's
like to insert macromedia protection on a lot of things and not at all
times.
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:42:58 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:
>John,
>You too? Mine won't play all the way though. That's the
>problem. I have to look at it in another machine. The
>table of contents is rough to navigate also. I may have missed
>sections after all this time.
>Tom
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43be5f18$1@linux...
> yep, mine too, i just watch it all the way through. I only watched it
> twice and took notes so now I pretty much know all it has. The BT
> comping section with all the Booms and Bams is hilarious.
>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > Do you guys have any problem when going from chapter to chapter?
> > My DVD player jams up and goes to the table of contents after every section.
> > It drives me nuts because I feel like I'm always missing information?
> > I've tried two different disks but they're both the same so it's either
> > the DVD production or my lame ass DVD player.
> >
> > Anybody else?
> >
> > By the way I still watch it no matter how painful...
> > Tom
> >
> >are you old enough to remember him on the mike douglas show? he did
have quite a voice didn't he.
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:22:24 -0500, "Lance Reichert"
<lance.rocks@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>What a voice - thanks Lou!
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10737897/
>
>Singer Lou Rawls dies of cancer at 72
>Grammy winner began as choir boy, sold 40 million albums
>A valid point, the playing live part, but if someone spills beer on your $3k
Motif you're out more than if the same guy spills beer in your $600 Dell
laptop. I DJ with a laptop fairly often and it's worth less than all but
two of my guitras, all of my amps. Actually, my Moog delay and Fulltone wah
have a significantly higher replacement cost than my laptop.
TCB
"steve the artguy" <artguy@svnsillyme.net> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>At this point I'm waiting for someone to give me even one solid reason
to
>>use hardware synths other than familiarity.
>>
>>TCB
>
>
>ok, Thad, here's one.,
>
>I have yet to take anything small to a gig (mixer, rompler module, etc)
which
>I put carefully on top of my keyboard thingies, which hasn't gotten knocked
>off and onto the ground. Whether it's the drunks in the audience or careless
>band members or my own stupid self, it seems to happen to every one of them.
>I'd hate to have that happen with a laptop. Crunch!
>
>That, and I'm the only one in the known universe at this point without a
>laptop...or a cell phone...or a pda... or a gps... or...an automated loom....
>
>
>-steve the luddite
>
>-steve
>>
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So I'm looking to get a new synth in here.Pretty slim synth
>>>collection-Kurz PC2X and 2500 rack,D50.I'm looking at the Yamaha
>>>motifs,but a buddy was telling me I should go soft synth.I'm not
>>>currently running DAW with audio/midi and was thinking of getting
>>>into the SX thing.
>>> I haven't gotten into the soft synth thing at all so I'm a
>>>little hesitant having to go the new dedicated comp,software,vsti
>>>route compared to a hardware synth I can turn on and make noise
>>>with.
>>> However,I can see the benefit of going that route with software
>>>that will continually be updated as opposed to a hard synth that
>>>will be worth whatever in a couple of years.
>>>
>>>Any advice appreciated,
>>>Pete
>>
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Rick,
I'm watching it on a hardware box hooked up to my TV.
It's a Phillips DVD-726. Works pretty good with most DVDs
but it's certainly not high end.
Tom
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
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tom, what are you watching it on? are all your codes up to date??? i
know this is a stretch but what's your video card. i know that ati's
like to insert macromedia protection on a lot of things and not at all
times.
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:42:58 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:
>John,
>You too? Mine won't play all the way though. That's the=20
>problem. I have to look at it in another machine. The
>table of contents is rough to navigate also. I may have missed
>sections after all this time.
>Tom
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43be5f18$1@linux...
> yep, mine too, i just watch it all the way through. I only watched =
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> twice and took notes so now I pretty much know all it has. The BT=20
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>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > Do you guys have any problem when going from chapter to chapter?
> > My DVD player jams up and goes to the table of contents after =
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> > It drives me nuts because I feel like I'm always missing =
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> > I've tried two different disks but they're both the same so it's =
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> > Anybody else?
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> > Tom
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wrote:
>Rick,
>I'm watching it on a hardware box hooked up to my TV.
>It's a Phillips DVD-726. Works pretty good with most DVDs
>but it's certainly not high end.
>Tom
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3kctr1dkbnij6mvc5fuvmqpr84l287f2m8@4ax.com...
> tom, what are you watching it on? are all your codes up to date??? i
> know this is a stretch but what's your video card. i know that ati's
> like to insert macromedia protection on a lot of things and not at all
> times.
>
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:42:58 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >John,
> >You too? Mine won't play all the way though. That's the
> >problem. I have to look at it in another machine. The
> >table of contents is rough to navigate also. I may have missed
> >sections after all this time.
> >Tom
> > "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43be5f18$1@linux...
> > yep, mine too, i just watch it all the way through. I only watched it
> > twice and took notes so now I pretty much know all it has. The BT
> > comping section with all the Booms and Bams is hilarious.
> >
> > Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > > Do you guys have any problem when going from chapter to chapter?
> > > My DVD player jams up and goes to the table of contents after every section.
> > > It drives me nuts because I feel like I'm always missing information?
> > > I've tried two different disks but they're both the same so it's either
> > > the DVD production or my lame ass DVD player.
> > >
> > > Anybody else?
> > >
> > > By the way I still watch it no matter how painful...
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >I'm a big vinyl hog and don't at all mind trance. a bit sterile but
hey....i'd like a copy.
who mastered it?
jef
Roginator wrote:
>Hi Paris Members
>
>I just want to tell that last year on end of october was realased a Record
>(real BLACK plastic) with my tracks fully mixed and recorded on 48ch PARIS
>DAW
>
>NO VSTi OR VST FX HERE......and its electro house wich sounds like retro
>from 80......
>
>its FAT track....that is one of reasons why I LOVE PARIS...
>
>Track is recorded with..Linn, Prophet 5, OBXa, Juno, E4 and some other hardware.....
>
>also last two months record hit high some club charts in Europa and USA......
>
>
>Im telling this couse I LOVE MY PARIS and its best Digital System to record
>FAT club HOUSE Music....
>
>here is a link to UK distributor and some mp3s:
>http://www.juno.co.uk/products/191114-01.htm
>
>BTW Happy new year to all of you...
>
>Damir
>
>nrfpt imho
(that's, not ready for prime time....lol)
Pete Ruthenburg wrote:
> So is anybody using this?Seems like it could be useful or is it
>just popular with the electronica/dance crowd?Obviously the
>orchestral type sounds don't compare to other libraries,but it
>seems like you get alot for the money.
> Or is that the selling point;alot of good but not great sounds
>for the money.
>
>Pete
>
>he was a god to me. I'll miss him.
also, it' was frank zappa b-day the other day. i miss *that* guy with
every spin....
Lance Reichert wrote:
>What a voice - thanks Lou!
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10737897/
>
>Singer Lou Rawls dies of cancer at 72
>Grammy winner began as choir boy, sold 40 million albums
>
>
>
>insightful. thanks Tony. I'm not at all familiar with drumogog but, as
they say, whatever works works...
Tony Benson wrote:
>Jef,
>
>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as there
>would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be lowered
>quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a little. I don't
>think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm intrigued.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>
>
>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>
>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>
>>just my 2cents
>>
>>
>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them
>>>to
>>>open the gates :)
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>be
>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>be
>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>the
>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>the
>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>all
>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>
>>>>>jef
>>>>>
>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>I did master.....
I used ADR Superdynamic limiter, Dual White instruments 4001 EQ and DBX 120
xp.....could you still get velocity info this way, or would it be edit-city?
Tony Benson wrote:
>Jef,
>
>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as there
>would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be lowered
>quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a little. I don't
>think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm intrigued.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>
>
>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>
>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>
>>just my 2cents
>>
>>
>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them
>>>to
>>>open the gates :)
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>be
>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>be
>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>the
>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd4794@linux.
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Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>the
>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>all
>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>
>>>>>jef
>>>>>
>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>Drumagog is a very cool "drum replacer" plug-in. It uses your recorded drum
tracks to trigger it's own samples. It uses banks of multi velocity sample
libraries. You can blend the level of the sample in with your recorded
sound, or have it totally replace your recorded sound. It will also convert
your recorded drums to midi output to send out to hardware sound sources. I
think what Dimitrios wants to do is, record using triggers to remove as much
of the drum sound from his cymbal tracks, then use Drumagog to "replace" the
trigger pulses with the samples of his choice. Kind of like recording an
electronic drum kit, but with real cymbals. Since he uses Drumagog, he could
do this by only having to deaden his real drums and use triggers to record
pulses to trigger the Drumagog samples. Here's a link if you want to check
into it:
http://www.drumagog.com/
Tony
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43bed75d@linux...
> insightful. thanks Tony. I'm not at all familiar with drumogog but, as
> they say, whatever works works...
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>
>>Jef,
>>
>>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as
>>there would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be
>>lowered quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a
>>little. I don't think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm
>>intrigued.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>>
>>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>>
>>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>>
>>>just my 2cents
>>>
>>>
>>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use
>>>>them to
>>>>open the gates :)
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually
>>>>>very
>>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity
>>>>>right,
>>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is
>>>>>that
>>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>>be
>>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>>be
>>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also
>>>>>want
>>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>>the
>>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input?
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>Yes, the voltage output of a piezo drum trigger is proportional to how much
it vibrates. They work just a piezo bridge on a guitar. The problem is that
they don't always operate at an impedance consistent with audio gear. This
is why it might be necessary to experiment with "buffer" resistors between
the hot and ground connection of the triggers. One way to do this would be
to run the trigger into the line in of a mixer channel and use the gain
control to adjust the level of the direct output back into your recording
gear. If the output is too hot even at the lowest gain setting, it's time to
get the solder iron out. I remember some triggers I used to use back in the
late 80's had resistors soldered between the hot and ground lugs of the 1/4
plugs. And that was to buffer the output down to work with regular trigger
inputs. You'd have to experiment to get it right for audio inputs. It should
actually work very well with Drumagog.
Tony
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43bedeb9@linux...
> could you still get velocity info this way, or would it be edit-city?
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>
>>Jef,
>>
>>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as
>>there would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be
>>lowered quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a
>>little. I don't think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm
>>intrigued.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>>
>>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>>
>>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>>
>>>just my 2cents
>>>
>>>
>>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use
>>>>them to
>>>>open the gates :)
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually
>>>>>very
>>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity
>>>>>right,
>>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is
>>>>>that
>>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>>be
>>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>>be
>>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also
>>>>>want
>>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>>the
>>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input?
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's e
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