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;>> such.
>>> Opinions?
>>>
>>> TCB
>>
>>Hi, Mark.
Go here:

Re: Riddle me this [message #73111 is a reply to message #73110] Tue, 26 September 2006 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ref="http://perso.orange.fr/vb-audio/us/products/dxrack/dxrack.htm" target="_blank"> http://perso.orange.fr/vb-audio/us/products/dxrack/dxrack.ht m

Scroll down and there is a link to a free fully functional DX-VST
chainer which allows up to four DX plugs to be inserted into a
non-DX compliant host.
It's not often I've needed it in Paris, but it has bailed
me out a few times with older DX plugins which don't play nice.
Re: Riddle me this [message #73113 is a reply to message #73111] Tue, 26 September 2006 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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4;keyofd.net" target="_blank">dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C148AA69.3F6B%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
the
>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
on
>> a
>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
it
>> has
>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>
>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>
>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay
Re: Riddle me this [message #73114 is a reply to message #73113] Tue, 26 September 2006 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(and Sound
>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
cool
>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
of
>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in

>> Media
>> Bay.
>>
>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>> some bugs still, of course).
>>
>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins

>> with
>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depen
Re: Riddle me this [message #73116 is a reply to message #73111] Tue, 26 September 2006 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,

>> dim,
>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
etc.
>>
>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
in
>> the
>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
a
>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the

>> mixer.
>>
>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>
>Nice.. thx big time.

"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:452ba936$1@linux...
>
> Hi, Mark.
> Go here:
>
>
Re: Riddle me this [message #73124 is a reply to message #73111] Tue, 26 September 2006 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>>>> catalogs
>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant

>>>> files
>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
-
>> cool
>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free

>>>> form
>>>> vocal tracks, etc
Re: Riddle me this [message #73128 is a reply to message #73116] Tue, 26 September 2006 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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br />
TC

LaMont wrote:
> It depends on the style of playing. I think for Clean, funk,Country, Jazz,
> Rig 2 is the champ.
> Amplitude 2 has some nice crunch and burn tones, however,I would not say
> that it's better for rock than Rig 2..
>
> All depends on the style you;re going for.
>
>for 6 years i had not received more than 3 spams on my (seldom used)
yahoo account...and now i get 200 a day. at least hotmail has stayed
the same as it was.

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:29:10 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20061009/tc_macworld/spamha us20061009_0
>
>Brilliant. I guess spammers and email marketing companies have more rights
>than consumers. Yet again, individual/corporate rights supercede any sense
>of ethics. Interesting that the US leads the world in spam by about 3 to
>1, and we have yet to see any effective legislation or real effort put into
>stopping it...........the more spam I get, the better I understand the motivations behind
why the mafia became a means of achieving justice within a population that
felt disenfranchised by the entrenched political power structure.

"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> for 6 years i had not received more than 3 spams on my (seldom used)
> yahoo account...and now i get 200 a day. at least hotmail has stayed
> the same as it was.
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:29:10 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
> wrote:
>
> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20061009/tc_macworld/spamha us20061009_0
> >
> >Brilliant. I guess spammers and email marketing companies have more
rights
> >than consumers. Yet again, individual/corporate rights supercede any
sense
> &g
Re: Riddle me this [message #73131 is a reply to message #73128] Tue, 26 September 2006 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:29:10 -0600, Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20061009/tc_macworld/spamha us20061009_0
> >>>
> >>> Brilliant. I guess spammers and email marketing companies have more
> > rights
> >>> than consumers. Yet again, individual/corporate rights supercede any
> > sense
> >>> of ethics. Interesting that the US leads the world in spam by about
3
> > to
> >>> 1, and we have yet to see any effective legislation or real effort put
> > into
> >>> stopping it.
> >
> >I love my workhorse Sony 7506's!


"Brian Porick" <brianporick@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Fellow PARISians,
>
>Do you have any recommendations for studio headphones? I'm looking at
>buying a handful of pairs for musicians to wear while tracking.
>
>My priorities are:
>1. Must be closed headphones (no leakage of click tracks)
>2. Comfort (You've gotta be able to wear them for a couple of hours of

>tracking, if need be)
>3. Price (I'm hoping not to spend $200 a pair. I'll go as high as $150
if
>I need to, but less than that would be even better.)
>4. Sound quality (I'm not doing mixing on these, so as long as they're

>relatively clean, that's fine.)
>
>Let me know what you might recommend. Thanks.
>
>Brian
>
>How do USB external drives compare with firewire drives?

respect
Nappyhttp://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Konnekt24D/

respect
NappyUSB 2 is ok for light audio video work, but not as robust as OXford 912 chip
set firewire.

"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>How do USB external drives compare with firewire drives?
>
>respect
>NappyFor the money and performance, the Behringer HEADPHONES HPS5000 and HPS3000
($39.00 list and 29.00 ) can't be beat.

They sound good and their light. This way, you can pretty much stock up..

"Brian Porick" <brianporick@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Fellow PARISians,
>
>Do you have any recommendations for studio headphones? I'm looking at
>buying a handful of pairs for musicians to wear while tracking.
>
>My priorities are:
>1. Must be closed headphones (no leakage of click tracks)
>2. Comfort (You've gotta be able to wear them for a couple of hours of

>tracking, if need be)
>3. Price (I'm hoping not to spend $200 a pair. I'll go as high as $150
if
>I need to, but less than that would be even better.)
>4. Sound quality (I'm not doing mixing on these, so as long as they're

>relatively clean, that'
Re: Riddle me this [message #73155 is a reply to message #73131] Wed, 27 September 2006 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/macworld/20061009/tc_macworld/spamha us20061009_0
>
>Brilliant. I guess spammers and email marketing companies have more rights
>than consumers. Yet again, individual/corporate rights supercede any sense
>of ethics. Interesting that the US leads the world in spam by about 3
to
>1, and we have yet to see any effective legislation or real effort put into
>stopping it.
>I don't know if it works. It should. I'm too busy crashing in Paris whenever
I try to do logical things like loop in freeform while recording. I need
a new Daw badly. Paris just pisses me off continually. DJ, Send new DAW
quick !!!

john

"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Ha, that's one I missed then.....I thought I had an epiphany (or whatever).
>So it works???
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>I think that's a well known trick. Make a tiny partition (20gb) and use
>that
>>to stream audio onto, then copy the files over to your "storage" partition
>>when done. Or just have a tiny hard drive for streaming onto.
>>
>>John
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>How many of you guys have large audio drives (160 gig or bigger)that partition
>>>them into, oh, say,2 80 gig partitions. The reason I ask, is, I thought
>>the
>>>seek times might be faster if the whole drive wasn't being scanned. Anybody?
>>>I've got my 160 gig audio drive as 1 big partition.
>>>Rod
>>
>Increase your Paris config settings a bit.

David.

TC wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> I'm trying to sync Paris on my pc to Digital Performer/Pro Tools on my G5.
>
> I'm generating from the G5, attempting to slave Paris via an older
> Midisport 2x2 (usb).
>
> I keep getting this error:
>
> _tptQueProject: Error in setting direction. Error code 1879048196
>
> I seem to recall this from years ago, but it's been a while..
>
> The interface on the G5 is an m-audio uno usb.
>
> Any help would be great!
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> TCwhy do you want to be a sewing machine? for heavens sake man, set
some realistic goals.



On 11 Oct 2006 21:14:58 +1000, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:

>
>Well, I'm sure you guys have experienced this before. Someone says to you,
> "Let's record this song". You say "Ok, whose gonna sing it". They say
>"Oh, hell, I can sing it". So you start recording and they are totally off
>pitch and apparently don't even know what a melody is technically. So you
>do take after take and you start singing them the melody hoping they will
>get it but alas "THEY DON'T" and instead they do take after take never getting
>close to the melody of the vocal part and not even understanding the direction
>they need to be going.
>
>It turns out some people can't freaking sing even though they have unbending
>intent.
>
>Know what I'm saying????
>
>Discuss !!the first time my granddaughter heard herself she fell to the floor
repeating the phrase "i suck, i really suck and i'm never going to
sing again". this from a 9 year old...oy... once i got her to stop
trying to be one of the blond princesses of pop and sing in her own
style she sucked a whole lot less though she still needs a bit of
work.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:10:26 -0700, "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Or then there's the ones that start out with a less than tuneful voice,
>that, over time, develop into a real soulful singer. My buddy was like
>that. Couldn't really stay on key too well. With some time this improved,
Re: Riddle me this [message #73173 is a reply to message #73155] Thu, 28 September 2006 07:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:452d6ba1$1@linux...
> Not "pro" but OK sounding... If I were doing a decent quality studio
> on "the cheap" I would get two Multiface/PCI combos and have the adat
> I/O's available for later expansion if needed.
>
> David.
>
> John wrote:
>
> > And how about the Behringer ADS8000 for A/D convertors?
> >
> > EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
> >>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds great
> >>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
> >>additional capability.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>John wrote:
> >>
> >>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can give me
> >
> > 16 in/outs?
> >
> >>>RME ? others ????
> >
> >I finally ditched my last Matrox video cards on my DAWs. Upgraded to NVidia
GEForce 5500 dual heads on everything now. It's nice having 128MB vRAM per
head and stable drivers. Those old 32MB per head G450's were dogass slow by
comparison and the Nvidia drivers feel much more stable than the Matrox
drivers ever did.

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Deej,
Lamont has suggested the UAD-1 plugs and Waves SSL plugs
will work much better with the shnazzier video card. I'm thinking
of tan upgrade also. Did your IRQs change with the video card
swap?
Tom
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452d6e25$1@linux...
I finally ditched my last Matrox video cards on my DAWs. Upgraded to =
NVidia
GEForce 5500 dual heads on everything now. It's nice having 128MB vRAM =
per
head and stable drivers. Those old 32MB per head G450's were dogass =
slow by
comparison and the Nvidia drivers feel much more stable than the =
Matrox
drivers ever did.

Deej




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higher quality conversion etc because of power supply, interference
and clocking issues...

Please enlighten

Ted

EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). >
>David.
>Yep...

"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>I finally ditched my last Matrox video cards on my DAWs. Upgraded to NVidia
>GEForce 5500 dual heads on everything now. It's nice having 128MB vRAM per
>head and stable drivers. Those old 32MB per head G450's were dogass slow
by
>comparison and the Nvidia drivers feel much more stable than the Matrox
>drivers ever did.
>
>Deej
>
>Not the UAD plugs. The UAD PCI card is a Video Card per se.. I say that you
will get better performance with the SSL bundle with a better video card

"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Deej,
>Lamont has suggested the UAD-1 plugs and Waves SSL plugs
>will work much better with the shnazzier video card. I'm thinking
>of tan upgrade also. Did your IRQs change with the video card
>swap?
>Tom
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452d6e25$1@linux...
> I finally ditched my last Matrox video cards on my DAWs. Upgraded to =
>NVidia
> GEForce 5500 dual heads on everything now. It's nice having 128MB vRAM
=
>per
> head and stable drivers. Those old 32MB per head G450's were dogass =
>slow by
> comparison and the Nvidia drivers feel much more stable than the =
>Matrox
> drivers ever did.
>
> Deej
>
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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>
>Yes it has..I use it, but, it still a bit quarky for mixing. It it a great
app.
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>What about ACID? I hear it's come a long way.
>
>
>"lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:452d33dc$1@linux...
>>
>> John,
>> Your choices are:
>>
>> PC:
>> -Samplitude 8-9
>> -Cubase 4
>> -Nuendo
>> -Sony Vegas Pro 7
>>
>> Hardware choices: Apogee AD 16x /DA 16x. RME Digi/Multi face..Or RME
>Ficreface
>> units..EMU's 1820M, M-Audio
>>
>> Mac:
>> Logic Audio Pro- With Apogee Hardware, makes for a great pro setup with
>very
>> low latency
>>
>> Digital Performer- GreatI/O hardware!! Great Professional system.
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >I can't do things in their infancy anymore. I need something mature
with
>> >plug in automation and latency
Re: Riddle me this [message #73219 is a reply to message #73173] Thu, 28 September 2006 13:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
macle   
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face on both my laptop and desktop all the
time.
> >> Maybe I'm just lucky.
> >>
> >> EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Having your interface "dissapear" during a session (PC) requiring a
> >>>re-boot is not what I would call pro. While the quality of the
> >>>interfaces is good, it's Windows control of Firewire that is not. I
> >>>would stay away from FW for serious work until they get it sorted out.
>
> >>> The MAC support of FW is fine, but it should be... they invented the
>
> >>>thing! ;-)
> >>>
> >>>David.
> >>>
> >>>TCB wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>What's not 'pro' about firewire interfaces?
> >>>>
> >>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>If you want truly pro... as in no problems and good sound... Card
> >>>>>based I/O is the way to go (No USB or FW). The RME stuff sounds
great
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>and works well. The Multiface also has and adat I/O port for
> >>>>>additional capability.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>David.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>John wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Rather, Which audio interfaces are truly pro quality and can give
> me
> >>>>
> >>>>16 in/outs?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>RME ? others ????
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
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Deej,
Macro Express has prevented the need for screen drags for me.
Are you using that? It's worth it's weight in gold.
Tom
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452e7f0a@linux...
I picked up two DVI/VGA adapters. They did not come with the cards. =
Also,
I've been testing some screen drags with big windows today. I'm =
getting 100%
CPU spikes on the PCI card when dragging a full sized mixer window at =
1200 x
1600 resolution (dammit!!! ;o( . This is sorta disappointing, but hey,
overall performance otherwiae, as in general stability of the driver, =
is
much, much improved. I'll be blaying around with my color settings and
performance settings to see if I can mitigate this some. I've =
conditioned
myself to be careful about screen dragging during tracking anyway, but =
in a
perfect world...........maybe something like a Colorgraphics Predator =
Pro
AGP? Not a lot of VRam on one of those and I'm not sure about the =
drivers
either....especially for win 9x.


"aaron allen" <no@spam.net> wrote in message news:452e766d$1@linux...
>
> Deej, did both those vid cards come capable of all VGA output by =
chance
(preferrably
> no DVI to VGA adaptors)? My antiquated Paris rig needs VGA only, =
heh..
what
> a surprise, 'eh?
> AA
>
>
> >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >>AAron...here's where I got mine:
> >>
>
=
>> http://search.stores.ebay.com/ImageStore_v29_W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZ 9QQfclZ4QQf=
rom
ZR
> >>10QQfsnZImageStoreQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ32437342QQsofpZ0
> >>
> =
>> http://www.fookstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DFo ok%2DV008
> >>
> >>These cards are sweet. Be sure to install the AGP card and load =
the
(most
> >>recent NVidia unified) driver for it first. Then install the PCI =
card.
> It
> >>will use the same driver. In my usual fashion, I just crammed both =
cards
> >in
> >>the mobo, fired her up and the PCI card loaded but the AGP card =
wouldn't
> >>load so I uninstalled the drivers, then behaved as a sane, logical
person
> >>would, and it worked quite nicely.
> >>
> >>What is cool about this is when I drag the mouse across my screens =
or
> >>dragging windows around dring playback, I get nothing like the =
major CPU
> >hit
> >>that I got with the screens that were running on the G450 PCI =
card. With
> >the
> >>old Matrox cards, the minute the mouse touched the GUI running on =
the
PCI
> >>card there was a momentary spike and dragging a large window =
during
playback
> >>could cause a farily serious surge, enough to worry about in a =
heavy
> >>session.
> >>
> >>Deej
> >>
>




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deej,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Macro Express has prevented the need =
for screen=20
drags for me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are you using that?&nbsp; It's worth =
it's weight in=20
gold.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:452e7f0a@linux">news:452e7f0a@linux</A>...</DIV>I picked =
up two=20
DVI/VGA adapters. They did not come with the cards.&nbsp; =
Also,<BR>I've been=20
testing some screen drags with big windows today. I'm getting =
100%<BR>CPU=20
spikes on the PCI card when dragging a full sized mixer window at 1200 =

x<BR>1600 resolution (dammit!!! ;o( . This is sorta disappointing, but =

hey,<BR>overall performance otherwiae, as in general stability of the =
driver,=20
is<BR>much, much improved. I'll be blaying around with my color =
settings=20
and<BR>performance settings to see if I can mitigate this some. I've=20
conditioned<BR>myself to be careful about screen dragging during =
tracking=20
anyway, but in a<BR>perfect world...........maybe something like a=20
Colorgraphics Predator Pro<BR>AGP? Not a lot of VRam on one of those =
and I'm=20
not sure about the drivers<BR>either....especially for win=20
9x.<BR><BR><BR>"aaron allen" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:no@spam.net">no@spam.net</A>&gt; wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:452e766d$1@linux">news:452e766d$1@linux</A>...<BR>&gt;<BR>&g=
t;=20
Deej, did both those vid cards come capable of all VGA output by=20
chance<BR>(preferrably<BR>&gt; no DVI to VGA adaptors)? My antiquated =
Paris=20
rig needs VGA only, heh..<BR>what<BR>&gt; a surprise, 'eh?<BR>&gt;=20
AA<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;"DJ" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:notachance@net.net">notachance@net.net</A>&gt; =
wrote:<BR>&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;AAron...here's where I got mine:<BR>&gt;=20
=
&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;http://search.stores.ebay.com/ImageStore_v29_=
W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZ9QQfclZ4QQfrom<BR>ZR<BR>&gt;=20
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=
&gt;&gt; http://www.fookstore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DFo ok%2D=
V008<BR>&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;These cards are sweet. Be sure to install the =
AGP=20
card and load the<BR>(most<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;recent NVidia unified) =
driver for=20
it first. Then install the PCI card.<BR>&gt; It<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;will =
use the=20
same driver. In my usual fashion, I just crammed both cards<BR>&gt;=20
&gt;in<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;the mobo, fired her up and the PCI card loaded =
but the=20
AGP card wouldn't<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;load so I uninstalled the drivers, =
then=20
behaved as a sane, logical<BR>person<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;would, and it =
worked=20
quite nicely.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;What is cool about this =
is when=20
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around=20
dring playback, I get nothing like the major CPU<BR>&gt; =
&gt;hit<BR>&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;that I got with the screens that were running on the G450 PCI =
card.=20
With<BR>&gt; &gt;the<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;old Matrox cards, the minute the =
mouse=20
touched the GUI running on the<BR>PCI<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;card there was a =

momentary spike and dragging a large window during<BR>playback<BR>&gt; =

&gt;&gt;could cause a farily serious surge, enough to worry about in a =

heavy<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;session.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt;&gt;Deej<BR>&gt;=20
&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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invented it, no disrespect....

>Damn!!!...this new Logitech keyboard needs some velocity curve tweaking,
as
>does my neural network. I meant to refer to FW rather than Fx in the first
>sentence of the previous post.
>
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452e8442$1@linux...
>> I think my issues with Fx have had o do with the mobo's I've been using.
>> Every friggin one seems to have the onboard FW sharing IRQ with......you
>> guessed it....the AGP. I'magine if I were to get serious about using FW,
>I'd
>> buy myself one of those *recommended* TI based cards, pop it in a PCI
slot
>> that's not sharing IRQ and likely be good to go. I wonder if it would
be
>> possible to get something like 3 x RME fireface units working this way.
>Can
>> these be daisychained?
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