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Deej [3]
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be Euopeans and Americans all I can say is believe what you
>want.
a nice long sentence. you want the right to make assumptions
about countries youve never been to even for 5 minutes.
heck, screw that, assumptions is too soft a word, you think
thats enough knowledge so that you can come up with
cool catchy terms like "those hypocrite euro socialist jerks".
well then, my diagnosis stays the same. you have changed. mr simplicity indeed.
if it makes you feel better."justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>I love that! Mixing memes is great.
Mixing memes! Isn't that a mime group?
Making anyone the devil is stupid because the more dangerous
they are, the more you must truly understand them, as opposed
to making them a cardboard cutout of evil.
>Unfortunately Bush IS bankrupting the country while his friends all get
>paid... I mean if thats not evil I dont know what is...
Don't bogart that joint my friend... pass it over to me.
Do you know how many former hippies I know? How many of them
are STILL trying to figger out how the world actually works?
DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU, YOUNG MAN! It's not too late.
DC"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d6fb0d$1@linux...
> Making anyone the devil is stupid because the more dangerous
> they are, the more you must truly understand them, as opposed
> to making them a cardboard cutout of evil.
Exactly.In a nutshell...
I think if there's room & resources enough for both Israelis &
Palestinians in the region they want to live in, I think they
should quit fighting & come up with a plan. HOWEVER... this is
essentially a 3,000 year-old family feud we're looking at over
there, and my point of view may be a little too simplistic to
deal with the situation. I am not very familiar with the
condition of the agricultural situation there, but I understand
it's not the best in the world - in that case, both sides
should realize that there may not be enough resources in that
immediate area to provide for as many peple as want to live
there... that's a problem, because you can't import everything
food-wise. Israel is our ally, and we should stand by them, but
I also hold the position that some kind of solution could be
arrived at if both sides want peace more than war. OK, now
this is the part where you rebut & tell me what a narrow-minded
American I am, and how wrong my opinion is because you're
Eurosuperior to me and have a much better world view because
you read about cowboys & rodeos in Oklahoma & the drug problems
in Miami in Der Spiegel & had a US soldier live next door to
you & he was a dick, and of course, all Americans are exactly
like he was.
BTW, the Israeli thing is VERY different than the situation we
face with radical Islam... they do NOT want peace more than
war, they only want to kill all the "infidels" and sing praise
& glory to their blood-soaked god Allah, while trying to knock
the rest of the world back into the 12th century, economically,
societally, and politically. So, knowing this, and seeing what
they've done beginning on 9/11 and continuing to this day, I
think a slightly "different" approach is what's called for.
Neil"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d6fb0d$1@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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>>I love that! Mixing memes is great.
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> Mixing memes! Isn't that a mime group?
>
> Making anyone the devil is stupid because the more dangerous
> they are, the more you must truly understand them, as opposed
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| Re: the mystery continues [message #54951 is a reply to message #54943] |
Sun, 26 June 2005 20:55 |
Kim
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Oswald killed Kennedy, despite the
fact that I bought the Oliver Stone version many years ago.
Something would have come out by now if it was a big conspiracy.
Oswald was a communist sympathizer who, probably with some
help from cuba, took revenge for the Bay of Pigs. Bill Clinton swore
to get to the bottom of the Kennedy asassination, and found
nothing.
There are conspiracies, but without evidence, they are just
silliness and hallucinogenic party chatter.
DCI'm leaning towards Mother Nature in all her splendor as opposed to God,
although some would argue they're one and the same. Which if you take
religion out of the equation makes perfect sense.
Don
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:42d6f585@linux...
> still is... for now.
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:42d6f467@linux...
>> You mean there's a Garden of Eden around here somewhere?
>>
>> Don
>>
>> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
>> news:42d6eab0@linux...
>>> We've eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and now we're using the Knowledge
>>> to create Nuclear Weapons and inject human stem cells into monkeys. It
>>> will be no surprise when we get kicked out of our Garden of Eden by God
>>> or Nature.
>>>
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>"derek" <derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> wrote:
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>nah, i didnt ignore it.
>just as you i said that i believe that its a little of everything. of course
>that includes, on behalf of all american
>forces, you. thank you neil. your partially responsible for
>the end of the cold war. since i, on behalf of the deescalation
>politics of willy brandt, am also responsible and
>the US also wanted the cold war to end, will you thank
>me too now?
Yes, in fact, I will... thank you & your countrymen for your
hospitality while I was over there. Most of the Germans I me
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| Re: the mystery continues [message #54958 is a reply to message #54946] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 01:23 |
Jeremy Luzier
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s.
I was wondering if any of you might know how this was done...he swears no
esoteric plugins were used in the creation of this effect.
Don
ps. I'll try to get permission to post the song so you can hear what I'm
talking about...it's pretty impressive"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d70073$1@linux...
woah you type pretty fast...
> Ok, I believe you. I am neither a drunk nor a pothead BTW, and
> lived through the 60's as a teenager, and used no drugs at all.
Thats truly impressive, although I'm curious about the ambuity of the 'no
drugs' thing whether that includes alcohol or not. To me alcohol is a much
more powerful drug than reefer. I cant even drink anymore because during
the work day I'll just be thinking "I cant wait to get out of work and have
a drink". I haven't had a drink since my 20s....
> That doesn't make me better, it just shows that it can be done.
> And, there's a lot more of us than Rolling Stone mag would have you
> believe. My dad hung with Frank Sinatra before the famous
> Paramount show that launched his career. I was not raised by
> prudes or victorians. He told me that dope makes you stupid, and
> I have never seen any evidence to prove otherwise.
Fair enough... especially if you think I'm stupid.
> There's a whole underground of people who just love the music,
> not the drugs, not the bling, not the pussy, just the music.
>
> You should join us.
But I need ONE crutch... I have reduced my smoking from daily to once a week
or so, and am pretty much just addicted to lifting weights.
>>Regarding 'figger[ing] out how the world actually works', I truly believe
>
>>that Bush and associates are profiting heavily off the war, and I think
> it's
>>one of the main factors in going to war. While you guys are making
>>jokes,
>
>>I'm actually trying to learn, and the more I learn the more outraged I am.
>
>
>
> Ok, here's the short version. Most business people are the salt
> of the earth. They work harder, live more ethically, give more, and
> do more for others than any 100 rock stars. There are scumbags,
> just like in the music biz, but they almost always get caught and pay
> for it, as the line of scumbags from Enron and Worldcom who are
> stocking up on prison lube shows.
I believe you're definitely right... especially people who are truly
successful... 3% of the population type rarity. I dont believe Bush Jr
falls in that category, however.
> 2. Bush is who he appears to be, and he believes what he says, and
> does things for the reasons he says he does them. You don't have
> to agree with him, but he is too stubborn and convinced of his
> beliefs to start wars from greed. He believes in freedom, and
> intends to leave Iraq a functioning democracy.
I wish I could believe that... I really do.
> 3. Halliburton and other contractors are risking an enormous amount
> and the lives of their people, to help rebuild Iraq. They should make
> good money at it. if they are cheating we will probably catch them
> at it.
True... it is dangerous as hell. Even the US soldiers resent the
contractors because of the compensation. I'd tell you that Halliburton
'misplaced' NINE BILLION dollars, but you would probably think I'm out to
lunch.
> 4. Conspiracies are damn hard to keep hidden for any long period
> of time. This is why I believe Oswald killed Kennedy, despite the
> fact that I bought the Oliver Stone version many years ago.
> Something would have come out by now if it was a big conspiracy.
> Oswald was a communist sympathizer who, probably with some
> help from cuba, took revenge for the Bay of Pigs. Bill Clinton swore
> to get to the bottom of the Kennedy asassination, and found
> nothing.
That could support or invalidate your premise. I think Oswald killed him
too.
> There are conspiracies, but without evidence, they are just
> silliness and hallucinogenic party chatter.
No, they're either not a conspiracy or a secret. I have no doubt
conspiracies can exist through. Sometimes you only get tidbits like World
Trade Center 7, but unless it hits Fox News, most people wont pay attention,
so it's ALMOST like theres no conspiracy.Cute. Take an account of an observation about behavior of a bunch of folks
from different countries that wasn't even mine to begin with and now it's
twisted into-
> to do with you brabbling clichees about places you havent even
> been to for 5 minutes again?
Sorry this didn't fit your agenda for the behavbiour of mankind Derek.
You can continue to insult me now........I won't be around but talk all you
want.
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| Re: the mystery continues [message #54959 is a reply to message #54951] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 01:31 |
Jeremy Luzier
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#64;gmx.net" target="_blank">derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> wrote in message news:42d6fa6b$1@linux...
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> "Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
> Like it or
> >not, they exist.
>
>
> remind me, ive lost track: in what way does that have anything
> to do with you brabbling clichees about places you havent even
> been to for 5 minutes again?
>
> oh yeah, stereotypes exist. was that your point?
> its funny how american tourists
> tend to behave in a certain way when they visit this country
> (or live here for a while).
> one could be inclined to think that they were all the same,
> no matter if in germany or at home, in the US.
> good thing i was there to find out for myself that
> thats not the case. i almost fell for it. i can
> only recommend visiting other countries cause its very
> interesting and broadens the horizon. alas, i feel with
> your set-in-stone picture of europe, europe probably wont
> look very attractive to you for now. i suggest japan then.
>
>
>
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> >As for your apparent unwillingness to accept what I have seen with my own
> >eyes after it was pointed out to me by a bunch of people who had
absolutely
> >no preconceptions about the cultural proclivities of these individuals
who
> >happened to be Euopeans and Americans all I can say is believe what you
> >want.
>
>
> a nice long sentence. you want the right to make assumptions
> about countries youve never been to even for 5 minutes.
> heck, screw that, assumptions is too soft a word, you think
> thats enough knowledge so that you can come up with
> cool catchy terms like "those hypocrite euro socialist jerks".
>
> well then, my diagnosis stays the same. you have changed. mr simplicity
indeed.
> if it makes you feel better.I think you guys are right. This computer is way to lame. I need to build a
new one.
So can you guys give me a list of components that work well with Paris, I
can have it built but I need a list of components.
Like Mother Board... etc
I plan to use a a wave terminal 192x for sound as I have many virtual
instruments.
Spappy"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>Regarding 'figger[ing] out how the world actually works', I truly believe
>that Bush and associates are profiting heavily off the war, and I think
it's
>one of the main factors in going to war.
So If I'm doing well, and most of the pople I know are doing
well... is it because of the war, and therefore we are evil
(even though we have nothing to do with military or oil
contracts)?
And if a few of the people I know aren't doing so well, is that
because of the war too? Which is it? If the war is bankrupting
the country apart from Bush cronies, then everyone would have
to be doing poorly except for those people... I mean, c'mon
now, the war's been going on for long enough to where we ALL
should be feeling it if that were the case, right?
I think it's simply that one tends to know more people that are
in similar economic situations to what they're in, than they
know those that are in different ones. If you yourself aren't
doing too well, then yeah it's going to seem to you like the
majority of people are not, because you know more people that
are in the same situation as yourself. That ain't class
warfare, that's what you call "neighbors".
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| Re: the mystery continues [message #54961 is a reply to message #54959] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 04:04 |
Kim
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stration.
Neil
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d7090e@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>Regarding 'figger[ing] out how the world actually works', I truly believe
>
>>that Bush and associates are profiting heavily off the war, and I think
> it's
>>one of the main factors in going to war.
>
> So If I'm doing well, and most of the pople I know are doing
> well... is it because of the war, and therefore we are evil
> (even though we have nothing to do with military or oil
> contracts)?
> And if a few of the people I know aren't doing so well, is that
> because of the war too? Which is it? If the war is bankrupting
> the country apart from Bush cronies, then everyone would have
> to be doing poorly except for those people... I mean, c'mon
> now, the war's been going on for long enough to where we ALL
> should be feeling it if that were the case, right?
wow you really are a fucking comedian today.
> I think it's simply that one tends to know more people that are
> in similar economic situations to what they're in, than they
> know those that are in different ones. If you yourself aren't
> doing too well, then yeah it's going to seem to you like the
> majority of people are not, because you know more people that
> are in the same situation as yourself. That ain't class
> warfare, that's what you call "neighbors".
>
> My personal point of view is skwed too - in my case towards
> people who are in similar situations as mine, so let's look at
> the facts & stats instead:
> *** Retail sales are up compared to last year - in June:
> *Wal-Mart (lets start with the biggest retailer, right?) had a
> 4.6% gain & their Sam's Club division had a 4.0% gain.
> *Target was up even higher... +9.0%
> *Kohl's came in at +14.4% over the same month last year.
> *Federated (as a group) +2.9%
> *Nordstroms = +8.1%
> *JC Penney was up by 7.4%
> *TJX (TJ Maxx, Marshalls) +3%
> *Ross stores +6.0%
> *And General Motors - finally having discovered a way to price
> their vehicles at a fair value for the product (the 'employee
> pricing' plan) sold FOURTY-ONE FREAKIN' PERCENT more cars &
> trucks than in June of last year. Now some may say this just
> pushed some cars that would have been sold later on in the year
> into June, but even if that's the case... IF THE ECONOMY IS
> GOING BANKRUPT, HOW ARE PEOPLE BUYING ALL THESE CARS???
Are you nuts. People are up to their eyeballs in DEBT. The banks have
totally taken over! most people have no wealth, although fewer and fewer
have more and more. Theres economic reasons for that, and I'm not
advocating some communist/socialist bullshit, but at the same time we are a
society in addition to being an economy.
> That list encompassed a good combination of high-end and
> discount retailers alike... so it's not just certain sectors
> that are doing well, either.
>
>>While you guys are making jokes,
>>I'm actually trying to learn, and the more I learn the more outraged I am.
>
> Well, then BE outraged! But DO something about it... get out
> there & make something happen for Justin Cron... nobody's
> holding you back! Don't rely on the goverment, or wait until
> they solve your problems, because it's never gonna happen. The
> best we can hope for is that they don't throw too many
> obstacles in our way, and at least so far, that hasn't occurred
> yet with this administration.
Gimme a break... I've been publishing news articles since November on all
this stuff:
http://scamusa.com"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>I received a mix from a local AE a few days ago and I'm totally mind
>boggled.
>
>There are instruments and vocls placed outside the normal stereo
>image...like 12" outside of the speakers.
>
>I was wondering if any of you might know how this was done...he swears no
>esoteric plugins were used in the creation of this effect.
Perhaps a Bedini Audio-Spatial Environment?
Please post it if you are able to do so. I wanna hear!
Neil"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote:
>>right Derek. Everyone misses the point except you...
what a stupid start for an actually very constructive and good post ;-)
seriously, thanks for the post (which i really liked).
im not saying that everyone misses the point. but everyone
was avoiding this point like the plague, just until now. thanks
for breaking with that tradition.
>The only problem with your theory is the fact that Arafat was one of
>the chief terrorists, utterly corrupt, and a major part of the problem.
absolutely right. arafat was a terrorist. PLO *leader*.
he was that conflicts osama bin laden, if you want.
it makes rabins experiment to reach out for this guy all
the more scary and unreal in a way, huh? so youre absolutely right
about this, and i completely agree with you.
>Doesn't your point rely on Arafat not being a terrorist
>himself? Evidence?
no, my point doesnt rely on arafat being not a terrorist.
he was a terrorist. my point relies on *snare roll* the selfish nature
of man. the whole trick was to give arafat a scenario that was
more attractive to him than the current situation. works like
a charm, every time.
arafat, at that time the closest thing there was to
"leader of palaestina", did gain (even more) popularity and power through
the peace process. as long as he could come to his people
and show them negotiation results, they followed him.
rabin was VERY clever about the way he did this. it was just
enough, never too much, and he had a very precise feel about
the tempo in which to go.
this must have been to incredibly hard, its unbelievable, i
really admire than man. he had to keep the fine balance
about not asking too much from his own people (the seddlers
and religious extremis
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| Re: the mystery continues [message #54966 is a reply to message #54958] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 07:46 |
Deej [3]
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i dont think it did)
was it the palaestinian people that didnt take long to
go back into full terror mode?
i think theres a little of it all in it (surprise surprise). allthough my
personal number one definetly goes to the religious idiot who
shot rabin. boy did that guy change the entire world
with that one shot. a perfect, allthough very sad example of the "butterfly
effect".
and about clinton and what i said about not overestimating
the influence of america - well, to judge the influence
america really has on israel, just look at how they
constantly give the US the finger when the US start
to really talk into their politics. that actually has been
worse now with george bush junior than it has been with
clinton, even though george bush junior, when making and
threat, is probably more believeable than clinton is
(for better or worse). the US dont reign over israel - theyll
do what THEY think is best for them. another sad irony
here is that a lot of hatred that comes from the islamic
world towards the US is based on the overestimated influence
the US supposedly has on israel.
so, thats my take on the whole story. i dont claim i have
the perfect solution. i dont say that deescalation is
always the best option. i guess, i HOPE were all grown
up enough to know that there is no such thing as a standard
solution that fits for everything.
but i DO think that this story is
- a proof at how promising deescalation politics actually is.
dozens of years with nothing but terror, along comes the
only time where someone has the courage to try a deescalation
strategy for real, and thats the time where theres the least
terror? i say thats not a coincidence.
- a very important example because it is the very heart
of the conflict (see above).
- also, while i.e. WWII is a good example that brute
force can lead to peace, i personally believe the closer
and more logical place to look at is the israel conflict.
its not 60 years ago but today, and its the same "enemy"
situation, not entire nations and classical struggle over
territory with classic military tactics, but a war of
cultures, islamic terrorists, no easy targets, no absolute
security. its just the more logical comparison. state vs terror.
unclear enemys. an incredibly complex situation.
that is why i believe the whole approach is wrong.
is there any less terror since this george bush practices
this new policy? no theres not. so at least for now,
i can only conclude that he failed, at least thats how
it looks so far. whats the title of the thread again?
netanyahu, scharon, and yes, since he went back to
the politics of force (in his case meaning terror), also
arafat, they failed. theyre back at zero. they were so close.
what i find so incredible is that ultimately, they all know it.
fascinating how blind people can become when theres also
always this goddamn religious aspect to it.
to give you a comparison, i though the attack on serbia,
also a policy of showing force, was the right way to go.
same goes for "iraq part one". im not against this
approach by principle. im a pacifist, but im not a
dogmatic pacifist thats blind on both eyes. yet still
i believe this is not the way to go. how on earth
should this basic and overly absolutistic line of thinking
work in iran? with china? in 50 years, like it or not, id guess most islamic
countries will have the bomb. we better try to
find ways to deal with the deescalation concept now,
and be it because using force wont be an option forever.
theres a point where it doesnt help you if you have a
stronger military as your opponent. a nuked city is a nuked city.
there, thats my attempt to quickly sum up my views.
now please tear it apart and tell my why im completely
wrong. as long as it stays within this general discussion
ill find that actually interesting."justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>Thats truly impressive, although I'm curious about the ambuity of the 'no
>drugs' thing whether that includes alcohol or not. To me alcohol is a much
>more powerful drug than reefer.
Took my first drink at the age of 29. Today, I drink about 3 beers
a year. My experience is that there is nothing, and I mean nothing
that screws up the brain worse tham regular pot use. Yeah, drunks
are bad too. I've certainly seen that.
I can name names of friends who have been there, and one that
completely recovered. The good news is that you can recover a
lot by getting off it. My buddy used every day for probably 15
years, and yet today, he is pretty sharp. Other friends are walking
zombies with 1/4 of the brains they had at the age of 16, instead
of the middle-aged, wise old lions they would have become.
>> That doesn't make me better, it just shows that it can be done.
>> And, there's a lot more of us than Rolling Stone mag would have you
>> believe. My dad hung with Frank Sinatra before the famous
>> Paramount show that launched his career. I was not raised by
>> prudes or victorians. He told me that dope makes you stupid, and
>> I have never seen any evidence to prove otherwise.
>
>Fair enough... especially if you think I'm stupid.
That's the POINT dammit. I DON'T think you're stupid. I see a
strong intelligence at work in all the stuff you think about. You
would be Yoda without the dope. Sorry. Just my opinion.
>> There's a whole underground of people who just love the music,
>> not the drugs, not the bling, not the pussy, just the music.
>>
>> You should join us.
>
>But I need ONE crutch... I have reduced my smoking from daily to once a
week
>or so, and am pretty much just addicted to lifting weights.
And I eat too much, so I can't judge others.
>True... it is dangerous as hell. Even the US soldiers resent the
>contractors because of the compensation. I'd tell you that Halliburton
>'misplaced' NINE BILLION dollars, but you would probably think I'm out to
>lunch.
I don't have the facts to discuss it. But I do not believe that Bush
is padding his buddies pockets on the blood of this war, at least
not as an intention.
>No, they're either not a conspiracy or a secret. I have no doubt
>conspiracies can exist through. Sometimes you only get tidbits like World
>Trade Center 7, but unless it hits Fox News, most people wont pay attention,
>so it's ALMOST like theres no conspiracy.
My buddy's brother worked in WTC7 and he can tell you there
was none of the nonsense prattled on about in the conspiracy
theories because he was there. (The CIA had an office there,
so that makes it a hotbed for theories) There was 40,000 gallons
of diesel in there for electricity backup in a tank near the top
of WTC7; the wreckage from the towers set it off and the
resulting firestorm brought down the building. That's the facts,
from someone who was there. He's getting me more
documentation, if you are interested.
DC"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>
>Gimme a br
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