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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62724 is a reply to message #62714] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 14:20   |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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;>Paris MEC I/O in submixes one, two and three as well as IF2's on
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>>>MECs
>>>
>>>>>2
>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>3 are set up to route analog FX processors in Paris from the Lexi
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>> PC
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>>>>>90,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Power Technology DSP/FX card, Sony V77, Sony MU-R201 and POD Pro
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>> XT
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>>>if
>>>
>>>>>>>>needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All panning of tracks and reverbs, delays etc. are done in Paris
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>>>since
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>>>>>>all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cubase SX tracks with the exception of the stereo drum mix are mono
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>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>being lightpiped directly to Paris rather than being sent to stereo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>busses
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>in Cubase SX. (without being assigned to a stereo bus in Cubase,
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>> the
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>>>>>mono
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>tracks in SX cannot be panned)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All of this is clocked through a Mytek ADC 24/96 which is feeding
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>> a
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>>>>Lucid
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>>>>>>>>GenX6 module set to distribute word clock (at 10 picoseconds) which
>>>>>
>>>>>is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>feeding the 3 x Paris MECs, 2 x HDSP 9652's and the RME Multiface
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>>>and
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>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lexicon Studio Core 32 outboard reverb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All of the routing scenarios are saved in mix templates on the two
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>>>>audio
>>>>
>>>>>>>>DAWs and the digital patchbay control panel in the DAW running
>>>>>>
>>>>>>standalone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>FX. The Cubase DAW is slaved to the Paris DAW by ADAT sync so the
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>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>>>>transport controls both systems, sample accurate, timeline locked.
>>>>
>>>>All
>>>>
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>really takes is a few mouse clicks and this entire scenario is
>>>>>>>>working......Simple huh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Jon Jiles" <nope@nono.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>news:43dd07ea$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Okay, so I took Deej's advice and for syncing purposes replaced
>>
>> my
>>
>>>>>>Dakota
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>with the RME 9652, gave up on my great Tracktion 2 "frontend to
>>>>
>>>>PARIS"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>experiment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and picked up Cubase SX3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've moved my UAD-1 into m Cubase box for latency purposes and
>>>>
>>>>Cubase
>>>>
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>syncing nicely to PARIS.
>>>>>>>
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| Re: Am I nuts!!!!! - a suggestion [message #62736 is a reply to message #62714] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 15:45 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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r />
>>>>>inserting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>a Lucid gen 96 or 192, tightens the sound up.. Using Apogees Rosettas
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>or the AD/DA16x, really make you think your back in PAris Land.. Due
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogees ability to run inthe read, with it's on-board soft-limit.. AND,
>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>you runn HD on a PC, beter for you becuase you can run a whole lot of
>>>>
>>>>Rtas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>plugins.. But, if you only have a old G4, so-what, you're still gonna
>>>>
>>>>get
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>taht stated track/DSP count...very smothly indeed.. No more bashing
>>>
>>>Digi
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>for me.. I've seen the light..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LaMont
>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not nearly complicated enough ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Seriously, I have thought about it.....a lot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritec
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62769 is a reply to message #62755] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 21:24 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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>>>>>>>drag it from the list top right onto the patch field.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1st question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How does one route audio out of the ADAT outs and SPDIF outs (in
>>>>>>>>Paris)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43dcc383@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi All
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is all new to me and I need someone to help me get my bearings
>>>>>>>>>so If you're still using a Dakota on a second rig could you please
>>>>>>>>>contact me so I can ask you a few questions specific to Paris and
>>>>>>>>>Dakota
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>Here is a wrinkle to this equation.. you said you want to stream 96
channels from the DM2K... ok, no problem. The limitation is that you
would be able to do this at 96K only with the MADI cards. The
standard 96K MY cards are 8 chanels only... this gives you 48 channels
of I/O at 96K fully loaded with AES cards. If you want all 96
channels of I/O you are stuck at 48KHz using adat/TDIF/AES cards.
Just another $.02 on the pile :-)
David.
LaMont wrote:
> Well, the RME-Madi card(s) price don't look too bad for the 64 channels per
> card. I want to be able to stream 96 channel from the yamaha DM-2000.. So,the
> Optical way would cost, 4- 9652(s) is almost the same. $2400(9652) vs $2600.00(Madi)
>
> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>
>>The MADI cards will set you back almost as much as the desk itself! We
>>went the optical route here... WAY cheaper.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're right $$$ Cha-ching!!! :) But, Digi is giving new customers at
>
> least
>
>>>$3,500.00 in software plugins. Maybe more, but I do knwo that it's at
>
> least
>
>>>$3500.00
>>>
>>>I dont think you need 96 I/o channels, but hey !! you never know :)
>>>PTHD-3(Axcel) had all the processing power one needs to replace 4 UAD1
>
> cards.
>
>>>Being that you can run the uad plugs on the HD cards, or run Fx expansion
>>>vst/Rtas converter app..
>>>
>>>I just got a great quote from sweetwater for PTHD2-Axcel) with Contol24
>
> mix
>
>>>controller, Apogee AD/DA16x..Slew of Plugin (free) from Digi..20K..( Not
>>>including the Mac.) You don't need a G5 to run PT-HD/TDM.. You can, but
>
> not
>
>>>a necessity. I have access to a Dual 877 G4 or I might buld a nice PC
>
> to
>
>>>run it on. For those how have not seen PT-HD?LE run on a PC, they are
>
> in
>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62770 is a reply to message #62769] |
Mon, 09 January 2006 22:34 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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>>>for a real shock. The speed difference is Amazing!!!
>>>
>>>I've been weighing the Yammy 02r96/DM-2000,Nuendo,RME MADI(2) scenario..the
>>>first coming to 9k for the 02Rm, 18k for the DM2000..Decisions.. :)
>>>???????
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>.........errr..........that should have been 96 digital I/O. guess I
>>>>wouldn't be needing that though with the PT rig, would I? Also, I'm going
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>need all new software so throw that into the equation for another $5k
>
> at
>
>>>>least for good TDM plugins.
>>>>
>>>>(sigh)
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:43ddb571@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So what would PT system with 32 A/D and D/A converters, 96 I/O and the
>>>>>processing power of 4 x UAD-1 cards cost? I'm thinking around $30k. Now
>>>>
>>>>add
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a G5 to that.. Now add a control surface. $40k to achieve what I've
>>>>
>>>>already
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>got here?
>>>>>
>>>>>Now lersee, I might be able to get 7k out of my current hybrid rig if
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>lucky, soooo............that leaves me a little short. Yeah, It would
>>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>nice, but it's not realistic. PT HD is still wayyyyy overpriced.....at
>>>>
>>>>least
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>for me. If I was in a situation where it would bring enough business
>
> for
>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to pay for itself, then maybe I could see it. Right now, I'm the
>>>>
>>>>alternative
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to Pro Tools in this town. That is starting to bring me business actually.
>>>>>People are curious about this crazy engineer with the Rube Goldberg
>>>>
>>>>machine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43ddadca$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL!!
>>>>>>I know that most of us thru out the years have beeen cold on PT, but
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>admit, that DAW( PT-HD) is one nice sounding, smooth running, cryptic
>>>>>
>>>>>editing-but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>fast once you know it. It's I/O patchbay routing is on another level.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>all i can say. They sound is as good withthe Digi converters, but,
>>>>>
>>>>>inserting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>a Lucid gen 96 or 192, tightens the sound up.. Using Apogees Rosettas
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>or the AD/DA16x, really make you think your back in PAris Land.. Due
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Apogees ability to run inthe read, with it's on-board soft-limit.. AND,
>>>>
>>>>if
>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62781 is a reply to message #62769] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 03:04 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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gt;least
> >>>
> >>>>for me. If I was in a situation where it would bring enough business
> for
> >>>
> >>>it
> >>>
> >>>>to pay for itself, then maybe I could see it. Right now, I'm the
> >>>
> >>>alternative
> >>>
> >>>>to Pro Tools in this town. That is starting to bring me business
actually.
> >>>>People are curious about this crazy engineer with the Rube Goldberg
> >>>
> >>>machine.
> >>>
> >>>>;o)
> >>>>
> >>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:43ddadca$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>LOL!!
> >>>>>I know that most of us thru out the years have beeen cold on PT, but
> >>
> >> I
> >>
> >>>>have
> >>>>
> >>>>>admit, that DAW( PT-HD) is one nice sounding, smooth running, cryptic
> >>>>
> >>>>editing-but
> >>>>
> >>>>>fast once you know it. It's I/O patchbay routing is on another level.
> >>>>
> >>>>That's
> >>>>
> >>>>>all i can say. They sound is as good withthe Digi converters, but,
> >>>>
> >>>>inserting
> >>>>
> >>>>>a Lucid gen 96 or 192, tightens the sound up.. Using Apogees Rosettas
> >>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>>>or the AD/DA16x, really make you think your back in PAris Land.. Due
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>>Apogees ability to run inthe read, with it's on-board soft-limit..
AND,
> >>>
> >>>if
> >>>
> >>>>>you runn HD on a PC, beter for you becuase you can run a whole lot of
> >>>
> >>>Rtas
> >>>
> >>>>>plugins.. But, if you only have a old G4, so-what, you're still gonna
> >>>
> >>>get
> >>>
> >>>>>taht stated track/DSP count...very smothly indeed.. No more bashing
> >>
> >> Digi
> >>
> >>>>>for me.. I've seen the light..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>LaMont
> >>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Not nearly complicated enough ;o)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Seriously, I have thought about it.....a lot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Deej
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>news:43dd826c$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>>>>DJ... Pro Tools HD2/3, with apogee AD/DA 16xs(2)
converters..Monster
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Sound,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Killer i/o routing for your stand alones.. All under one roof. Do
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>$$math$$$
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>:)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>what approaches???..............humm.......well....here it is in
> >>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>nutshell.....;oP
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>A typical sess
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| Re: This is about to make me nuts!!!!! [message #62789 is a reply to message #62769] |
Tue, 10 January 2006 10:42 |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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gt;
> >>>>>>>>transport controls both systems, sample accurate, timeline locked.
> >>>>
> >>>>All
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>it
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>really takes is a few mouse clicks and this entire scenario is
> >>>>>>>>working......Simple huh?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"Jon Jiles" <nope@nono.com> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>news:43dd07ea$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>Okay, so I took Deej's advice and for syncing purposes replaced
> >>
> >> my
> >>
> >>>>>>Dakota
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>with the RME 9652, gave up on my great Tracktion 2 "frontend to
> >>>>
> >>>>PARIS"
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>experiment
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>and picked up Cubase SX3.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I've moved my UAD-1 into m Cubase box for latency purposes and
> >>>>
> >>>>Cubase
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>syncing nicely to PARIS.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Right now I'm planning to use the Cubase box as more of a
> >>>
> >>>glorified
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>scratchpad
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>, the place I hash out any midi stuff and drum tracks, etc and
> >>>
> >>>then
> >>>
> >>>>>>finish
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>the whole project in Paris. But maybe (or more likely, certainly)
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>not
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>seeing a better approach. In fact, I'm not certain what I want
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>process
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>to be or what process takes the most advantage of the
Cubase/PARIS
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>hybrid
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>setup.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I have 3 EDS cards in my PARIS box (have a 4th if I need).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I don't do any major live tracking of drums, etc. Just vocals,
> >>>>
> >>>>guitars,
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>keys,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>etc.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>So I thought I'd ask a few questions o those who know:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>1)Is anyone else taking this approach?
> >>>>>>>>>2)What approaches are you guys taking with your hybrid setups?
> >>>>>>>>>3)What is the meaning of existence? (You can skip this one if
> >>
> >> you
> >>
> >>>>>>want.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>As always, thanks for the help!
> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>Jon
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>I'm not going to use 96k recording.. :) No, I'm a 24 bit/44.1k guy. I'm not
sold on the 96k sound.
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.
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