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Wed, 05 July 2006 15:07

Chris Ludwig

Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006

Senior Member

ed or maimed.
>>>
>>>>If we were lied into this "war" based on hidden agendas, I can think
of
>>> some
>>>>heads of state whose heads should roll. They probably won't, but it's
a
>>>
>>>>nice thought. Picture Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld in orange jumpsuits
and
>>>
>>>>chains . . . ni-i-i-i-i-ice. I feel better.
>>>>
>>>>Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>> And

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Re: interesting amd info [message #69965 is a reply to message #69964]

Wed, 05 July 2006 15:24

EK Sound

Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

it is this view that conerns me that we, as a people, are no
>>> longer able to protect freedom. There were innocents killed in all
>>> wars. This is no different. Would you broadcast from Dresden
>>> or Nagasaki calling for the jailing of Truman? By your rules, you
>>> would have to.
>>>
>>> We now have a whole generation of people who cannot bring themselves
to do
>>> what they must to protect our way of life.
>>> Given that we face the most evil and implacable e

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Re: interesting amd info [message #69966 is a reply to message #69965]

Wed, 05 July 2006 15:38

Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005

Senior Member

nemy in many
>>> years, I am not sure that we will retain the freedom that those
>>> WWII vets you admire so much, fought and died for.
>>>
>>> And finally, notice please, not one word of condemnation for the
>>> ghouls and head choppers. Those who would use baby bottles
>>> for binary explosives and die, with their infant in their arms, to kill
>>> some of us. Not one word. This is why you simply are not
>>> convincing me here. It is selective pacifism, pointed only at
>>> Israel and the west and there is no righteousness in it.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>I would go so far as to say that religious fervor has been and continues to
be one of the leading causes of suffering and death in all of human history.
Unfort

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Re: interesting amd info [message #69974 is a reply to message #69966]

Wed, 05 July 2006 17:50

Deej [1]

Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006

Senior Member

roof or evidence, it's not longer a belief, is it? I believe in
> > gravity, even though I can't explain it to you. It's obviously,
> > demonstrably, and universally agreeably real.
> >
> > Second, I am not saying God is unknowable . . . I'm saying I personally
do
> > not know who or what created this universe or when or why, and I see no
> > evidence that anyone else does either, in spite of their fervent claims.
I
> > do believe in a higher power which is very exhilarating to feel truly
> > connected to, but the attempts of religion in general to describe this
> > "supreme being" anthropomorphically just strike me as very superficial
and
> > frankly, kind of childish. I put "God" in quotes because I think it's
silly
> > to try and turn this awesome everpresent life force into a "guy in the
sky."
> > I do not "blind" myself with this point of view. Quite the opposite, my
> > mind is wide open to spiritual experience, not limited to ancient dogma
that
> > I have no reason to believe.
> >
> > Which leads me to the real point I was hoping to make in fewer words: I
> > have been arguing these ideas with believers since I was 17 (LONG time
ago),
> > and in all that time not ONE of them has given me a REASON to believe
that
> > the bible is anything more than legend, parable, mythology, and a
smattering
> > of history. I should believe it's the word of God why? Because it
claims
> > to be? Those are the claims of Roman bishops and other ancient human
beings
> > whose motives and honesty I know nothing about. And if the bible is the
> > word of God, I'm not impressed. I expect better from a supreme being.
> >
> > Like the dozens before you, you tell me repeatedly what you believe in a
way
> > that suggests no opposing belief can possibly be true. I know WHAT you
> > believe, I've heard it a thousand times over the last 30-some years.
What I
> > don't know is WHY you believe it. Because it gives you hope? Because
you
> > were desperate for answers and a bible was handy? Because your parents
> > believed it? Because you dropped acid

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